On today's show, we're joined by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-GA) and his staff to discuss the latest in the January 6th case, and whether or not the FBI deleted evidence from the case. We also discuss Jane Fonda's bizarre pro-life comments, and why we should be worried about it.
00:00:24.000We are once again at the Capitol, basically.
00:00:28.000We got a lot of news to talk about, but we're going straight to the source to figure out what's going on.
00:00:31.000Over this past week, we got a lot of information about January 6th, and I think some of the most interesting and most important revelations, maybe even in our generation when it comes to government malfeasance and politics, is that FBI agents were apparently trying to or may have actually deleted evidence in a January 6th or multiple January 6th cases This information comes out, apparently implicating that some feds were actually involved in trying to obfuscate their involvement by requesting the removal of their name from evidence.
00:01:03.000We got a bunch of other stories that may or may not come up.
00:01:05.000I saw a viral tweet where, on The View, Jane Fonda alludes to murdering people who are pro-life in a rather shocking statement, and then immediately everyone starts laughing, saying, oh, it's a joke, it's a joke.
00:01:15.000And then she gives this look like, Yeah, I don't know if they're joking, and that's kind of freaky.
00:01:19.000I don't want to be hyperbolic, but considering everything we've seen, it's been getting pretty crazy.
00:01:24.000So we're going to have an awesome show.
00:02:01.000We're in the Rayburn office building, and I'm loving TimCast on the road, because having to go out into the survival situation that is the trek to your usual headquarters is treacherous.
00:02:15.000We've enjoyed having your team here in the office.
00:02:18.000And I got an opening take, because having come on your show a couple times now, Like, there are the people who see me in the news... Sorry, I gotta pause you.
00:02:51.000There's a like, I know we have a connection because I was watching you on Timcast.
00:02:56.000So know that there's a community, there's a sense of community out there that goes beyond normal media that frankly you probably couldn't develop on traditional media these days.
00:03:05.000And I think one of the cutting edge advantage is of a platform like this is that people, when they tune in, when they're a part of the discussion, when they feel like they're at the head of the table with us, then We've done something real.
00:04:13.000Our custom rig doesn't seem to be working.
00:04:14.000It sounds like the distortion's cranked up like it's an electric guitar.
00:04:17.000I don't know if it's just the amount of time we spend talking or if it's like, I don't know, maybe it's just real people make real community.
00:05:12.000I mean, the Silicon Valley Bank stuff is pretty crazy.
00:05:15.000But I think I want to talk to you about what's going on with January 6 because I think it was a year ago You mentioned federal involvement in, I'll just put it simply, in some capacity.
00:05:27.000But now we have this story where apparently they tried, I think they may have actually literally destroyed evidence.
00:05:33.000There's communications where they said, I was instructed to destroy 338 pieces of evidence.
00:05:39.000In one communication even said, remove my, remove the agent's name from this, from this document as present at one of these incidents.
00:05:46.000That to me sounds like they're trying to destroy or may have literally destroyed evidence of their involvement as it pertains to the seditious conspiracy charges.
00:05:54.000I've been involved in taking the transcribed interviews of several FBI whistleblowers from around the country and a substantial amount of the testimony that they've given us deals with the treatment of people who were unfairly targeted as domestic extremists or somehow associated with January 6th when in fact in a great number of these cases there was no predicate criminal act to even investigate No evidence that people had committed crimes.
00:06:22.000So I normally wouldn't go into evidence in the middle of an ongoing investigation, but something interesting happened.
00:06:29.000As these FBI whistleblowers came in, the Democrats would release out-of-context portions of their depots and then would do opposition research on the whistleblowers and blast that out in reports to try to discredit the work before we could even begin it.
00:06:48.000Since they've done that, we feel like we need to vindicate the stories of these people who've come forward, because think about the deterrent effect.
00:06:55.000If every time a whistleblower comes forward to share evidence of FBI misconduct, their family gets smeared, their spouse gets fired, they're targeted, their financial situation degrades, they can't get jobs, And so they're trying to discourage the truth from coming out.
00:07:13.000And that's why, recently at CPAC, I called to remove the Democrats from the transcribed interviews.
00:07:20.000If their involvement in the investigation is going to be to harm the investigation, they shouldn't even be included.
00:07:26.000And if you look at what happened during the January 6th investigation, it wasn't like anybody who had an opposing view was in the room.
00:07:33.000The Republicans, they counted, were Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney.
00:07:37.000And so I think that that's an initial step, but it wouldn't surprise me.
00:07:42.000We saw an FBI lawyer change evidence before a secret court, and that guy had pled guilty to a crime and now has his law license back.
00:07:51.000I mean, think about the message that sends.
00:07:54.000So the FBI patriots who step forward and say, you know what?
00:07:58.000I'm being asked to do weird and possibly unlawful things to people who you're claiming are some sort of insurrectionists because of January 6th, and we put those folks on no-fly lists, we ruined their lives, and then at the same time, someone who literally admitted to changing evidence To try to implicate someone close to Trump, to get surveillance on the Trump campaign.
00:08:24.000You see Elon Musk just tweeted, effectively saying, free Jacob Chansley.
00:08:29.000They posted the video of him being escorted through the building.
00:08:32.000I'm wondering what are your thoughts on that the video release from Tucker Carlson?
00:08:35.000I don't know everything that that guy did but what I saw there was a very confusing situation that really is indicative of like the fog of war where people don't really know what's going on the sense of a rules-based order kind of changes.
00:08:52.000I think there were a lot of people And again, I don't know everything Chansley did.
00:08:56.000I don't know if there's going to be a different feature to his involvement that day, but that conduct did not appear to be criminal or violent or worthy of the type of extended prison sentence.
00:09:11.000Even if it's a technical violation of federal criminal law, prosecuting that, putting someone in prison just for those portions that we saw on Tucker seemed itself not to be justifiable.
00:09:21.000Elon Musk tweeted a video of him standing outside with a bullhorn saying, everyone leave, go home.
00:09:28.000And they're yelling at him, no, no, we're coming.
00:09:30.000So not only do you have this guy being escorted through the building, it appears, and the cops even try to open the doors for him at one point, bring him to an open door for the Senate chamber.
00:09:37.000He's actually on video telling people to leave.
00:09:40.000In his plea deal, he has signed away all his rights of appeal.
00:09:44.000So he doesn't even have the ability to open the courthouse gates to be able to have a resolution of those questions.
00:09:51.000Any honorable and reasonable prosecutor would make their own motion And would make it along with the defense if necessary to set aside that plea deal and to be able to evaluate the extent of criminal acuity.
00:10:07.000That is what a moral prosecutor would do.
00:10:09.000They would not be drug into court by the defense lawyer.
00:10:12.000They would actually go and make the motion themselves.
00:10:16.000What I have seen come out of the DOJ and the Washington field office of the FBI is that this place is the geography of rot.
00:10:25.000There is not political capture of the FBI in every corner of this country.
00:10:30.000It is New York, it is Washington, D.C., principally.
00:10:33.000And that's why what Nancy Pelosi did, authorizing the funding of a new FBI headquarters
00:10:40.000in the greater Washington area, larger than the Pentagon, is something that should concern you
00:10:46.000more than re-changing the carpets at the J. Edgar Hoover building.
00:10:52.000Frankly, I think a lot of these folks deserve to sit at the rat-infested J. Edgar Hoover
00:10:58.000But we certainly shouldn't be building the FBI a Pentagon-sized facility to insource,
00:11:05.000to the most corrupt geography in the world, more of the work that actually would be legitimate to
00:11:11.000protect the American people that a lot of good folks are doing.
00:11:13.000Where is this building is the first I've heard of it?
00:11:15.000Oh, it's in, well, it's authorized and funded in the big omnibus legislation that Nancy Pelosi, the $1.7 trillion in spending that we talked about last time we were on the show, part of that was this massive facility for the FBI and it's going to be out in Northern Virginia.
00:11:32.000But right here within the Northern Virginia, Maryland, D.C.
00:11:37.000Did they tell you what it's going to look like?
00:11:52.000I think that people – we saw inspector general reports of people in the media taking these FBI agents out for tickets at sporting events, concerts, fancy meals in exchange for information, and that's just a way to smear people.
00:12:11.000I heard someone talking about the FBI and they had mentioned that the role of the FBI had gone from, and this was someone at one of the hearings, that the FBI's role had gone from being a law enforcement agency to being an intelligence agency.
00:12:30.000That's a very astute observation because pre 9-11 the job of the FBI was to investigate these crimes that had occurred that had a multi-state feature to them that one jurisdiction couldn't handle with a higher degree of scale on technology and innovation to be able to solve those crimes and to bring prosecutions.
00:12:50.000After 9-11, Bush goes to Comey and basically says, it's not enough to investigate crimes and bring prosecutions.
00:13:18.000So how do you get the, because the whole culture there is of, if it's of an intelligence gathering agency, that means that the target is the American people.
00:13:28.000It's the only target the FBI could have.
00:13:30.000So then how do you change the culture?
00:13:33.000I mean, personally I'm for tearing the whole goddamn thing apart, but like, what do you do, you know, what do you do?
00:13:41.000To begin the process of trying to change the mindset of the FBI at the top level, because it can't, it's not going to happen if it's, because you're talking about field offices, it's not going to happen just at field offices.
00:13:53.000It has to be, you know, the people that are working at the, at the, at the J. Edgar Hooper building, you know, so what do you do?
00:13:59.000I think decentralizing the human resources would have a forcing function of decentralizing some of the power.
00:14:06.000And frankly, where they have authorities, where they've used them time and again to institute political enforcement, we need to curtail those authorities.
00:14:15.000The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act 702 authority has caught a number of Americans in a dragnet.
00:14:23.000That doesn't end run around our Constitution.
00:14:26.000And so that is an authority that I think needs to be curtailed.
00:14:31.000They have a foreign influence task force.
00:14:37.000And what I've observed is that this foreign influence task force operated for the Bidens a lot like they said the plumbers operated for Richard Nixon.
00:14:47.000Remember they would refer to the plumbers during Watergate?
00:14:54.000And when you've got folks whose job it is to go find the derogatory information about you and to extinguish it, and when those people are wearing FBI badges and can arrest people and coerce people, it's a concerning thing.
00:15:10.000That is going to be central to a lot of the investigative work we do over these two years.
00:15:14.000Those specific folks, not all of them still work for the federal government, so they can be subject to congressional subpoena a little easier.
00:15:21.000Does it take the Republicans, and the populist Republicans in particular, controlling the Senate, the House, and the Presidency, to think that anything can get done?
00:16:38.000I think that you actually have to slice it open, and I think that you've got to go through the authorized and unauthorized activities programmatically, and you have to observe what is the really important stuff, and there is that.
00:16:56.000There are cybercrime divisions at the FBI that get people's money back for them when they're the victims of some Chinese phishing attack in their email.
00:17:56.000Well, I think that those who believe in government control as opposed to those who believe in
00:18:03.000control democratized among the people.
00:18:06.000That's always what my dad told me about the difference between the right and the left.
00:18:10.000He said, son, the left believes in the power of government to solve people's problems, and we believe in the power of people to solve their own problems.
00:18:19.000I think that like at the political compass, there's the left and the right, and then there's the authoritarian and the libertarian.
00:18:25.000And I feel like the authoritarian, like so up on the political compass, is like, I want the government to take care of it.
00:18:30.000But I could be like a leftist libertarian, where I'm like, do whatever you want.
00:19:18.000The right finds their decentral... Right libertarianism finds it through capital, through trade.
00:19:23.000They agree, don't hurt me, I won't hurt you.
00:19:24.000Everything's gonna be voluntary trade.
00:19:26.000But if you're gonna do community-oriented stuff, it has to be through moral agreement, which is almost impossible, and only really works when you have, like, 20 people.
00:19:34.000So you're not gonna see a lot of them.
00:19:35.000Do you think, like, libertarianism only functions if the society's cohesive in general?
00:19:40.000I'll put it this way, and a question for you, Matt, maybe you agree.
00:19:44.000I believe that if every... I'll be as offensive as I can about it for the atheists on the left.
00:19:49.000I believe that if every single person in this country was a devout Christian, church-going, God-fearing, you would need no laws and no police.
00:19:59.000And the people would believe in adherence to those laws in the absence of government because they would believe in that which is stronger, more powerful, and above government.
00:20:07.000And then what happens is as you get... By the way, that essentially was the government in the founding days of American life.
00:20:19.000But I'm not saying literally we should be a Christian theocracy in any way.
00:20:23.000I try to say that in the most shocking way to the atheists as possible.
00:20:25.000If every single person in this country was woke, you also would not need police because you'd have woke activists going around enforcing these things by choice without pay.
00:20:33.000There wasn't a lot of freedom in the Chaz.
00:20:53.000And as you bring in more opposing moral ideologies, you will need more police.
00:20:59.000As your society grows bigger, you will need more laws.
00:21:01.000And then I think it eventually just implodes.
00:21:03.000Well, no, no, you got this all wrong because the Silicon Valley Bank says that the way to success is a commitment to increasing racial, ethnic, and gender representation.
00:22:26.000FDIC only insures up to, I think, $250 per signatory.
00:22:31.000So if you're one person, this is the craziest thing, if you're in your business with one bank, you're in trouble.
00:22:37.000Because if you've got five accounts, let's say one is your general payroll expenses, one is equipment and you separate them in a certain way.
00:24:20.000You know, we've been, we went over, gosh, you know, Matt can describe this so much better than I can, but we went over to This other nondescript building where the congressional offices have space, and we kind of rifle through the January 6th committee documents.
00:24:47.000So you've got some secrets, some breaking news?
00:24:50.000Well, here's the news we've got for you, okay?
00:24:54.000Everyone has been appropriately focused on these videos that Tucker Carlson's been releasing from January 6th, but Dan and I got to thinking.
00:25:03.000There was a lot of paper created during this investigation.
00:25:06.000The subpoenas, the demands for records.
00:25:09.000It showcases the strategy of how the January 6th Committee would go after a target.
00:25:21.000And I think, as far as I know, Dan and I are the first Republican lawmakers to actually go and spend an extended period of time Going through this information.
00:25:32.000And here's what we can tell you about it.
00:25:36.000I kind of expected on the way out the door Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger might have just opened their binders and thrown everything into a giant bin, shaken it a few times and said, here are your documents.
00:25:50.000Every committee in Congress gets to define what a committee record is and what has to be maintained.
00:25:57.000So if they wanted to, the January 6th committee could have said, you know what, the committee records are the public transcripts of our hearings, and everything else we're destroying, and we would have had no paper trail.
00:26:08.000But interestingly enough, they kept not all, but Almost all of the outgoing paperwork product that they had developed, the letters that they'd sent people, the documents they'd requested, the subpoenas they drafted, so all this outgoing, the way that they would target not just you,
00:26:34.000And we saw enormous collaboration between some of these Fortune 100 companies, financial institutions, Alphabet, and the January 6th Committee, eager to turn over the private information of individuals.
00:27:09.000What's missing is all the paper that was supposed to come back.
00:27:13.000You see, all this outgoing was supposed to generate lists of people's emails, texts, and we were able to review some of what came back as a consequence of those results, but there is a huge dearth there.
00:27:23.000They chose to get rid of some of those records and some others we're going to chat about.
00:27:27.000I'd be interested, obviously I have a personal stake, but how they discuss the media, independent media that have been talking about it.
00:27:36.000For me, it was Raskin, who it's funny because he reps the district right next to where we work out of and some of our employees are in his district.
00:27:45.000and he took a clip of me reading a Fox News headline and played it alongside someone calling
00:27:51.000for kicking in the doors or a red wedding.
00:27:53.000And it's me being like, Donald Trump says there's going to be a wild night.
00:28:15.000There's some interesting, Matt sort of alluded to it, there are interesting pointers in the papers that we saw to finding some other stuff.
00:28:24.000Well, another thing I learned going through the January 6th Committee's work product is that there is a value at times to a subpoena even if you aren't seeking information back as a result of that subpoena.
00:28:37.000An example is how they dealt with social media companies.
00:28:41.000Imagine being a social media company and getting a subpoena and demand saying, Show me everything you're doing to get these extreme views off of your platform.
00:28:50.000Show me everything you're doing to stop the next insurrection.
00:28:53.000Show me everything you're doing to look at the profile of people who support building the wall and election integrity and the Second Amendment and let us know that you're actually being good corporate
00:29:22.000They subpoenaed the catering company for this building that we are in right now for January 5th and January 6th to see, like, if you had people over on January 5th, how many cupcakes were delivered that night.
00:29:37.000And what does that say about how many people were in a meeting in your office?
00:29:40.000So, can you release these documents to the press?
00:29:43.000Well, we observed them and went through them today with the permission of the House
00:29:49.000Administration Committee. They are the committee with jurisdiction over the records of the House,
00:29:54.000and they're working to get this digitized. They have had a very pro-transparency outlook,
00:30:00.000but we are, our patience is not one of our virtues. We, it's March, and we need to start
00:30:07.000getting to this information, analyzing it, seeing how Americans were targeted.
00:30:11.000Dan and I are very focused on our work on the Weaponization Subcommittee.
00:30:15.000And I believe the January 6th committee was a weaponized utilization of the American government against our people.
00:30:21.000And actually, it spawned activity from the Department of Justice that I remain
00:30:43.000Me, I'm under no such constraints, and I think they're evil people.
00:30:46.000Maybe you wouldn't go as far, but the idea that they had access to this footage that wasn't released, that some of these defendants never got access to it, they tried claiming the defendants did, but they didn't, and it shows a very different picture.
00:30:58.000The fact that Tucker Carlson, in his report, When he came out and showed the video of Chansley calmly walking through with police, trying to open a door for him, the first thing Tucker Carlson did in that report was show the violence, and said, we've all seen the violence and the vandalism because we've been shown it non-stop, but here's what you didn't see.
00:31:15.000What did the Democrats and the media do in unison right away?
00:31:20.000He cherry-picked and he lied, and he didn't show the violence.
00:31:22.000Because they know their audience will never actually watch a full Tucker segment where he does first and foremost say, yes, there's violence.
00:31:35.000If we did that, there would be actions to take our law licenses away in North Carolina and Florida.
00:31:41.000If we went out there to spur criminal prosecutions and purposefully withheld material evidence, certainly if we did it in a court of law, they distorted evidence.
00:31:50.000Repeatedly during the course of the January 6th things.
00:31:52.000I mean, you remember Jim Jordan's tweet where they took it, he had quoted, sent something that was quoted, they took the quotes off and made it as if it were Jim Jordan's statement.
00:32:01.000There was nothing wrong with the statement particularly anyway, but it put words in his mouth that didn't exist.
00:32:07.000They did that stuff over and over again.
00:32:09.000I was thinking of going to Raskin's office after I saw he did this.
00:32:12.000But you know, I gotta tell you, when he played that clip of me, I had people I know who are urban liberals in Chicago, and it was a red pill moment for them.
00:32:23.000Because they were like, my parents were watching this, they saw this clip, I saw that, and I immediately was like, that's Tim Pool.
00:32:29.000They're like, he's like a boring fence-sitter guy.
00:33:42.000The funniest thing about this modern political landscape is I'm right-wing because I supported the narrative that conservatives were facing undue censorship on social media, which is so confirmed now that you have the attempt to smear Matt Taibbi as a so-called journalist.
00:34:00.000Who's this, like, long-standing, liberal, award-winning journalist for 30 years.
00:34:04.000They're calling Matt Taibbi a right-winger.
00:34:07.000You've seen people call him a right-wing, you know, journalist.
00:34:17.000To be honest with you, the fact that the Democrats were trying to get the journalists to give up their sources, and trying multiple times, over and over, and honestly, there's part of me that thinks that they didn't realize, as if they didn't possess the cognitive octane to actually understand that they were trying to get them to give up their sources.
00:34:37.000They didn't understand the context, and it was painful.
00:34:43.000There's multiple layers to this, right?
00:34:44.000The initial layer is you're watching Democrats attack a longtime Rolling Stone journalist and a guy who's waving his hand saying, I voted for Biden.
00:34:56.000I'm not part of Hillary Clinton's so-called vast right-wing conspiracy.
00:35:01.000And I think that's easy to absorb, but I think the additional layer to it is how comprehensive the censorship industrial complex is.
00:35:10.000That's what I really want people to take away from this, that this isn't like, you know, a few bad actors in one agency.
00:35:17.000This is enterprise-wide in government.
00:35:19.000The Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Department of Justice, even the Post Office has a covert program to monitor the political views of people on social media.
00:35:33.000And so we've got to get our head around that.
00:35:36.000And rather than patting ourselves on the back for holding hearings about it, we have to use this process to inform how we fund the government.
00:35:44.000And one of the things Dan and I fought really hard for during the Speaker's race was to have individualized assessments of these agencies.
00:35:52.000And it sounds dorky and wonky, but I am tired of voting on some multi-thousand page bill that spends over a trillion dollars, that funds the government for the entire year, and you don't get to say, okay, at a programmatic level here in DOD, FBI, how do we excise that out?
00:36:34.000Maybe the answer is more of a Twitter-file style approach where some journalists can come in, go through it with you guys, and then redact for security issues things that might put people in harm's way, but get this information out to the American people.
00:36:46.000I favor more disclosure across the board.
00:36:51.000You talked about evil, and you talked about Democrats' evil.
00:36:53.000We're talking about a bigger evil, and this is spread across all these government departments working together with pseudo-academics and so forth that Matt was talking about.
00:37:03.000But yeah, I think they thrive in secrecy.
00:37:17.000You ought to see What this committee of Congress decided they could go do, pick a target, maybe I'll take their name off, but show the bank that, as Matt was saying earlier today, they've picked a target and then they went and figured out all their finances.
00:37:34.000They went and figured out all their means of communication.
00:37:37.000They figured out all their means of movement.
00:37:56.000But you had Kinzinger and Cheney who, you know, exactly, in name.
00:37:59.000And as far as anyone was concerned, they were effectively Democrats.
00:38:02.000But that really says a lot about- Well, one thing I noticed was that the Republicans had extraordinary influence over the committee.
00:38:09.000We got into some of the January 6th committee's staff files.
00:38:13.000And one thing I took particular note of is that Adam Kinzinger was able to place a handpicked CIA lawyer into the general counsel's office of the House of Representatives to gaslight all these subpoenas to torch Americans, to smear them.
00:38:33.000And they were assembling people, not from the traditional group that you would think for congressional staff, but they were finding sharp-toothed lawyers in the Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, high-end state attorney's offices.
00:38:50.000They were finding people all over the country.
00:38:52.000They were bringing high-end left-wing talent in to operationalize that force.
00:38:57.000All right, I'm gonna ask you guys the hard question, I suppose.
00:39:01.000Where's the committee on far-left extremism, Antifa?
00:39:04.000We talk about January 6th and the unjust actions that were taken for a lot of these people.
00:39:09.000Some of these people, I think, were violent, should be criminally charged.
00:39:12.000You know, like I said, Tucker shows the violent footage.
00:39:14.000But just in this past week, in the past few months, we've had a group of 150 far-left extremists break into a government compound, a facility in Georgia, firebomb buildings and equipment, Some of these people were not from this country.
00:39:28.000One of them was a lawyer for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
00:39:32.000The Southern Poverty Law Center admitted it and said that, oh, he's a legal observer.
00:39:35.000And then the spokesperson tweets out a hashtag in support of the terrorists.
00:39:42.000These people have been charged with domestic terrorism.
00:39:45.000How is it that the entire cycle The news cycle.
00:39:48.000I understand the media is going to ignore it, but where are we in terms of putting together the Select Committee on Far-Left Extremism?
00:39:55.000How about we have the May 29th Insurrection Panel, the Select Committee on 529, and we can talk about the far-left extremists who tore down the barricades of the White House, firebombed a guard post, set fire to St.
00:40:06.000John's Church, injuring I think around 70 to 100 police officers, forcing the President into a bunker.
00:40:13.000How about we get, we bring cops in to testify on that, cops who were injured, we bring in witnesses and journalists and we put all of that on the record.
00:40:22.000Understand though, remember that in a lot of ways the two parties do the same thing in Washington.
00:40:28.000And so the only reason we have a select committee on the weaponization of government is because when Matt and I said we're going to negotiate over who gets to be the speaker.
00:40:38.000We're not just going to cast votes just because Hundred eighty of the members Republican members say we're going to do it.
00:41:17.000And part in a very material part of the agreement that we, in fact, I negotiated the authority for that subcommittee myself.
00:41:26.000And so these aren't easy to get in the sense that a lot of people want to ignore stuff.
00:41:33.000The question will be to what extent were U.S.
00:41:35.000taxpayer dollars used to try to fuel some of those groups through NGOs, through a lot of this diversity, equity, and inclusion funding that we do.
00:41:43.000I think we've got our next guest here, man.
00:43:23.000We could stop what's actively going on if we shine a light on it.
00:43:26.000We can get accountability for the past actions.
00:43:28.000And then I think it might wake up a lot of Americans to the degree of violent extremism coming from the left that's not being portrayed in media.
00:43:37.000I think what we need is to put all the effort into reconstituting a J6 committee and let them have a ranking member in a minority council and set it all up and go back to the beginning.
00:43:51.000I think this is one of the biggest things in the country and I think you need top people like we have here on this committee and all the information has got to come out on the intelligence services, on the FBI, everything, what we knew, what we didn't know, all of it.
00:44:05.000I mean, Tucker did a thing, and don't get me wrong, Antifa's needed too, but I only think we've got so much bandwidth to do things.
00:44:17.000You can't continue to rely on guys like Tucker doing a heroic job with the 44,000.
00:44:21.000We need a formal investigation, a select committee if you have to, Of major players in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, not like the show Charles Sheehan, but actually have a ranking member.
00:44:33.000So anyway, you've said that a few times, and it is a decision point we are at right now, because Democrats have used their presence in these transcribed interviews to obstruct the investigation, to try to deter whistleblowers, to smear patriotic Americans who joined the premier law enforcement agency in the world because they love our country as we all should.
00:44:54.000And I don't think they should get to participate anymore in those transcribed interviews if they are using that courtesy to try to do harm to the investigation.
00:45:03.000And you're saying, bring them in, do to them better than they did us.
00:45:08.000I just think, look, I think in that regard, they play smash mouth.
00:45:11.000I think we have to start playing smash mouth.
00:45:13.000But I think if you don't constitute it where they get the information and are able to cross-examine witnesses, we're going to have the exact same show trial we had the first time.
00:45:22.000These are such deep issues that the American people have to get to the bottom of this.
00:45:46.000And I think there's enough tough guys like yourself that can get in there and make sure they're not leaking depositions, they're not playing games with the press, all of that.
00:45:55.000It's going to be tough, but I think it's going to happen.
00:45:57.000One thing I found interesting when we went through the files today, they are incredibly well organized.
00:46:02.000And as it relates to outgoing documents, they are almost completely complete.
00:46:11.000I pulled the Charlie Kirk file and I saw the way that the Turning Point organization was targeted and is actually still being unfairly targeted.
00:46:19.000I pulled the Bernie Kerik file and saw the way they went after him.
00:46:24.000I pulled the Mark Short file and I saw how eager he was to cooperate and how even with friendly witnesses they played this game with the subpoena nonetheless.
00:46:36.000But there was one file With no documents in it that I've reviewed.
00:46:56.000In a circumstance where they were so meticulous to have everything indexed and included and in almost every case you saw a letter and like clockwork within 14 days a subpoena that followed that letter and nothing on the Bannon file.
00:47:44.000We are looking at the members and records and I want to know how far They crossed the line when we exercised our subpoena power because what I observed was that almost every week the committee was sending out to Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, to Google Voice.
00:48:18.000I wonder if they're going to match our staffs.
00:48:19.000It was interesting to see that the subpoenas depicted, there must have been some very good conversation going on between big tech companies, big telecom companies and the committee because the committee would send out a subpoena to the banks and it would say, it would ask for these internal file numbers of the bank and they give like
00:52:06.000That's why the committee, you go back to the beginning.
00:52:08.000You know, the committee didn't put in the report, but they had their chief investigator who goes to NBC after the thing's closed up and puts the information out about the government, that the agencies did know all that was going to happen and that they didn't.
00:52:22.000So I want to ask you, Steve, to what degree do you believe that this was Either let to happen by the federal government or actually incited by the federal government themselves.
00:52:34.000Well, the war room... Agents of, I should say.
00:52:36.000The war room, as you know, is right in back of the Supreme Court, you know, we're like a block away.
00:52:43.000I never left the war room, did the morning show, get ready for the afternoon show, but guys told me they had basically deployed the Capitol Hill police in the bike racks.
00:52:59.000What I'd like to get is the facts in front of, and let the Democrats cross-examine guys, let them see the stuff, let them, I'm sure they're going to leak some stuff, but if you got, even if you got some of the original J6 people back up there and cross-examine them, cross-examine, like the Hutchison, cross-examine these people under penalty of perjury, you might get some very different stories.
00:53:19.000And I think that's necessary because I think Trump was smeared, you know, soup to nuts in this thing.
00:53:25.000Yeah, I think that there's a criminal acuity that may have been increased by some of these FBI assets.
00:53:37.000And here's the incentive structure that creates that.
00:53:39.000We were talking earlier in the program about how the FBI changed in culture to an intelligence collection organization.
00:53:46.000And so what they would do is they would seed assets into a lot of these groups that they thought were dangerous.
00:53:50.000The Three Percenters, the Proud Boys, The oath keepers.
00:53:54.000And then the incentive structure for that person, informing back to the FBI, is for that group to seem as significant as possible.
00:54:03.000And so, do I believe that Christopher Wray was giving an order to somebody wearing a federal badge to commit a crime on that day?
00:54:11.000No, but I think they created an incentive structure where some of their assets, confidential informants, confidential human sources, that were baked into these groups tried to facilitate and encourage a higher level of criminal acuity and by the way it's unreasonable to think that because that's what we saw in the Whitmer case.
00:54:28.000You've covered exactly you've covered Michigan better than anybody and that's exactly what the Whitmer case is.
00:54:33.000It's a perfect example and that and by the way many people in the Whitmer case at the senior levels were here it just looks like it was a it was bloody Kansas to the Civil War.
00:54:40.000It was kind of the preamble The microcosm of the thing itself.
00:55:04.000All I'm saying is go back to what Congress really does well.
00:55:08.000To have these big, complicated, special committees.
00:55:10.000We've got Watergate, the Pearl Harbor Commission, the 9-11 Commission, the Commission on the 2008 Financial Crisis, and it's always the same cookie cutter.
00:56:12.000Yeah, you're going up against a pro and you don't know what you're doing.
00:56:15.000One of the things that makes me a bit more conspiratorial on January 6th, but I won't say into knowing, just, you know, I have questions is, If someone came to me and it was like, let's say I was working for like a shadowy organization and deep intelligence or whatever.
00:56:30.000And they said, we need to guarantee that Donald Trump wins his reelection.
00:56:40.000Then you will have two years of nonstop coverage of the far left terror attack that ransacked and destroyed Washington DC, destroyed an iconic church, forced the president to do a bunker and breached the White House.
00:57:26.000They said it was a brutal... Deploy tear gas.
00:57:28.000you brutalize people in protesting. Trump retreats the bunker and says I was just
00:57:32.000checking it out and the media mocks him for it. But imagine what would have
00:57:35.000happened if the video footage was far leftists ripping down the fences in front
00:57:38.000of the White House and the next day Trump came out and didn't take a picture
00:57:41.000with a Bible in front of the standing church, he took a picture with police
00:57:44.000officers and firefighters in front of an iconic historic church that was burnt to
00:57:48.000the ground by Antifa. That's that's psyops. That's that's understanding the
00:57:52.000game. Trump I believe I believe is a true believer.
00:57:56.000I believe the people he brought on, for the most part, not everybody, they're thinking like, hey, we gotta stop these extremists, let's do our job.
00:58:01.000But then you look at the people who are more nefarious and more evil, and they say, no, no, no, no, no, no, let them, let them in.
00:58:06.000Then you get these videos coming out now of Chansley, the cops are walking with him, they try to open one of the doors.
00:58:15.000There were no Tiger teams set up in any of those cities, Portland or any of them, to go with special prosecutors that would flood the zone and start indicting people and arresting people.
00:58:25.000I think the Justice Department was terrible the entire time.
01:00:02.000Listen, Kamala Harris, they just said the other day, walked up and they compared her to Pearl Harbor in 9-11.
01:00:07.000They say Pearl Harbor, 9-11, and this.
01:00:09.000If it's at that level, it should have a formal investigation.
01:00:13.000I don't know why we don't have a vehicle to do that now.
01:00:15.000200 years. And then once that's done, I think the American people, because look, 4 million
01:00:18.000people watched Tucker the other night, and they're in shock.
01:00:21.000And we only got one night of footage in the QAnon shaman and some things like that.
01:00:25.000What happens if you guys had several, you know, eight weeks to prepare teams on it and gave the
01:00:30.000Democrats so they could cross-examine?
01:00:32.000It would be galvanizing TV, first off. It would be the number one show in the country.
01:00:36.000I don't know why we don't have a vehicle to do that now. I don't know why that couldn't
01:00:39.000be done under the Select Subcommittee on Weaponization. Isn't that weaponization of
01:00:45.000I think, or oversight or whatever, you guys pick it, but to me, I don't know why it's not happening.
01:00:50.000The J16 is going to be a festering sort there for the country, and then I think in the process of doing it, they're going to go, wow, what about these other things?
01:00:58.000It is a balance, Steve, because I think one of the mistakes Democrats made in our hearing this past week was exclusively focusing on the past.
01:01:06.000Dan Goldman wanted to re-litigate the Russia hoax.
01:01:09.000They wanted to re-litigate the Ukraine impeachment.
01:01:12.000And we're talking about the type of society with a free exchange of ideas that we want to be able to preserve for the next generation.
01:01:20.000And I think we have to balance the need for justice and preservation of civil liberties with a vision.
01:01:27.000But I think the vision going forward, Congressman, is the following.
01:01:30.000I think people would be absolutely shocked when Congress got to the bottom of what was the intelligence of the intelligence community.
01:01:38.000Does DHS actually have a domestic intelligence unit?
01:01:41.000And were there federal assets and officers involved there?
01:01:56.000Well, my recommendation is, until we do that, until you have a formal investigation of J6, because look, Murdoch and these guys shut Tucker down.
01:02:59.000And one thing I learned during the Russia hoax is that you've got to get information out.
01:03:04.000And we have all of these online sleuths that analyze and assemble and aggregate and promote.
01:03:10.000And it is a fool who believes that holding information in for the perfect titrated release is commanding the day.
01:03:18.000Actually, it's We really ought to be judged on the volume of information we get before the American people.
01:03:24.000We did sit today at the terminals that are set up, that have the videos that are all there, and I do not know how Tucker's staff were able to sit down at those three terminals and go through, what is it, 40,000 hours?
01:03:38.000And a lot of it you can eliminate, but you get a map, you can see where all the cameras are, you can drag the camera over.
01:03:44.000Are you the first two people of elected office actually to go and go through the files?
01:03:49.000We are, to my understanding, we are the first two Republican lawmakers that have had access to the full suite of files of the January 6th Committee.
01:03:56.000Yeah, that's probably, that certainly is true.
01:03:58.000Can we get the footage to a different news organization if Tucker can't do it?
01:06:11.000This is something that's very interesting to me.
01:06:12.000Coming to Washington, I haven't been here, I've only been here four years almost.
01:06:16.000People out there, it's amazing, they're very well informed and they are way ahead of Washington.
01:06:22.000They are way ahead of understanding what needs to be done.
01:06:26.000And they're not shy about saying that, you know, so when Chip Roy talks about defunding woke and weaponized government in Washington, I think There's a cheering section out there, and it's really big.
01:06:38.000I was particularly impressed with the hearings with Big Tech when you had Matt Tybee being a so-called journalist, and you also had a woman who did not know what Substack or who Mr. Weiss was.
01:06:50.000And I thought to myself, did they do five minutes of Google prep before coming into this hearing?
01:06:55.000No, Sylvia Garcia is going to send a subpoena to find out exactly how high the Substack is.
01:07:03.000Well, I mean, how are we supposed to solve these problems when you've got people who come in, clearly in bad faith, with no knowledge, and claim, it's not happening, but I don't know what you're claiming is happening.
01:08:46.000And especially, you know, on The War Room, we talk a lot about China.
01:08:49.000And as I assess these Chinese capabilities that we allow into our country, like the balloon mania I never really got because we got what, one in every four Americans with TikTok on their phone?
01:09:00.000We've got Chinese surveillance equipment at almost every U.S.
01:09:03.000port where they are able to get signals intelligence on the entire supply chain of the United States.
01:09:09.000We have rural America being connected by Chinese technology.
01:09:23.000I came on The War Room the day after and said, I thought that was a total sigh-ah.
01:09:26.000But a serious country would not do these things.
01:09:29.000A serious country would not allow what's happening on the border to happen.
01:09:32.000And one of the things that's frustrated Dan and I is that We've got some of these Republicans who will not vote for the legislation necessary to jam the Biden into a border strategy.
01:09:44.000And we've got to have a vote on Chip Roy's legislation to detain or turn away at the border.
01:09:51.000And let the chips fall where they may.
01:09:53.000But we are hearing now that there are folks who say, oh, well, if it won't pass, we can't bring it to the floor because that would show weakness.
01:10:54.000My point is that You guys always had that weapon of how to take the magnificent six of the mighty 20 and do it again.
01:11:03.000You know you're going to, like you said, the country is far ahead of where the city is in this capital.
01:11:10.000You guys have, the people have your back.
01:11:12.000You just have to be more aggressive on how you do it.
01:11:15.000You can't, there's no amount of aggressive action you can take in Congress right now that will not be rewarded by people saying, I like these guys.
01:11:29.000When you stood up, and it was the Republicans, it was the intervention of the Republicans that looked idiotic, because nobody actually heard a compelling case how, one, Congress has to get this power back, and number two, this is absurd of what we're doing.
01:11:40.000The neocon, this whole neocon, you know, trying to police the world.
01:11:49.000You know, you give McCarthy's guys some time, but then you gotta start, and I think you're gonna have more people up there realizing, hey, I gotta be part of this team.
01:11:59.000I want to give a white pill I guess for all those who may be discouraged.
01:12:04.000I kind of feel like the position I've been in for a long time, like as you're describing
01:12:08.000it, no more world police, I believe in securing our borders, bringing jobs back, bolstering
01:13:26.000The California regulators had to, I said today on the show at 10 o'clock, I said, this bank will not exist by the close of business.
01:13:33.000Now what shocked me, Was that the California regulators stepped in before the Fed because yelling these guys don't want this.
01:13:39.000Such a bad narrative for them about what's happened to the bonds, the government securities, all of it.
01:13:43.000Such a terrible narrative that in this thing, remember, you're going to have a thousand great startups that are not going to make payroll next week and they're going to come right here.
01:13:51.000here. It's a hundred and seventy, one hundred sixty nine billion dollars in
01:13:56.000deposits are uninsured. They're going to come right to the Capitol next week and
01:14:00.000they're going to ask flying over East Palestine, Ohio, which never got a ballot
01:14:05.000and they're coming right here and say guys, innovation, the guy said we're going
01:14:09.000to we're going to fall behind China by a decade in innovation because the best
01:14:13.000startup companies we have all bank here, they're not going to make payroll, it's
01:14:18.00072 hours ago, we didn't know anything about this.
01:14:20.000My point is, that's the neoliberal, neocon order is collapsing in front of you.
01:14:24.000So become a member at TimCast.com so that we can make payroll because I'm only half kidding actually when whenever this stuff hits I mean we we see it and we we often see it first because yes what happens is when COVID first hit all of these small businesses the way ads work on YouTube Small mom-and-pop restaurant buys a couple hundred bucks in ads for the month that target their local area.
01:14:50.000People will see it on Facebook or Instagram or something.
01:15:58.000The economic system we have today is madness.
01:16:01.000When Biden sits there, when you look at the depression of working class people in this country, and they come up this week, everything we've been talking about, and they come up with a $6.8 trillion budget.
01:17:09.000Look, when you have 1% of the people, citizens, own more assets than the bottom 90, that system can't sustain itself.
01:17:17.000If the revolutionary generation came back, they would spit on the floor.
01:17:21.000They fought a revolution to get away from a landed aristocracy and the mercantilist system of the monopolies of the British East India Company and others like it.
01:17:30.000That's why John Adams and Sam Adams and Hancock were smugglers.
01:17:50.000of duty that was expected of the U.S. and that's what we lack today.
01:17:55.000And I don't know how you reignite that sense of patriotism.
01:18:00.000I think the way you do it is what you guys did in the first week of January.
01:18:08.000But even that, when you had everybody in conservative media against you, when you had Fox News against you, we had, oh it's Unity and you guys are terrible guys, and I gotta tell you, we came that close on that Friday night at 10 o'clock to total victory, right?
01:18:23.000It was that, it was hung in the balance.
01:18:24.000So it's, it's, I think people get patriotic when they see that, when they see action.
01:18:38.000They understand what's going on because of shows like Tim Pool and so many other podcasts out there that get the information out to people and they're hungry for information.
01:19:04.000Remember, there's only a third of the guys in the revolution on our side, right?
01:19:08.000There's a third Tories, a third of ourselves, and a third in the middle like there always is to say, hey, I'm going to see how this thing plays out.
01:19:20.000People can step forward and do it, fix something when they're ready to do it.
01:19:23.000It sounds like Occupy Wall Street, you know, and I think the reason Critical Race Theory... Occupy Wall Street had a lot of positive stuff with it before it went off the tracks.
01:19:32.000Listen, you can't have a system... It's just a ball to know a bunch of homeless people playing each other in tents.
01:19:38.000The good part is you can have this concert.
01:19:45.000Listen, Obama, remember Obama ran as an anti-war populist to defeat Hillary Clinton, right?
01:19:51.000Something Bernie Sanders didn't do in two shots on goal, okay?
01:19:56.000When he came in, he inherited This financial collapse, and quite frankly, did the neoliberal way to just flood the zone, take the Federal Reserve's balance sheet, put $4 trillion on it, flood the zone to boost up assets, real estate and stocks and bonds, go to negative interest rates, so the little guy gets screwed.
01:20:18.000The minutes of the governors of the Federal Reserve, Dick Fisher down in Dallas, he walked through how you are doing this bailout on the backs of working class and middle class people who have no chance for capital formation.
01:20:31.000Their savings accounts, their checkings accounts, their money market accounts are going to have nothing.
01:20:34.000In 10 years from now, they're literally going to have nothing except for what they work for, which we're taxing at essentially a 40% rate.
01:20:40.000How long until we vote on the Silicon Valley bank bailout?
01:20:44.000You think it'll be next week or you think it'll be two weeks?
01:21:02.000There will be no vote on the Silicon Valley.
01:21:06.000By the way, you said today, tell them how they're going to do it.
01:21:10.000They're going to use national security and they're going to use the deep state as the excuse that Gates nailed today early in our show.
01:21:16.000They're going to say that this is the centerpiece of all these companies that are high-tech companies in Silicon Valley, all these companies that let us compete with the Chinese, and if you don't let them make payroll next week, Okay, it's going to collapse and we're going to be a decade behind the CCP.
01:21:30.000So what's the coalition of votes there?
01:21:33.000The Silicon Valley Democrats, led by Ro Khanna.
01:21:37.000The neoconservatives, led by the traditional voices of that movement in the House Republican Caucus.
01:21:44.000And then the appropriators, because spending money is not typically something that's an affront.
01:21:50.000To someone on the Appropriations Committee.
01:21:56.000A lot more votes than I got on my resolution to pull out of Syria.
01:22:03.000I don't see that coalition coming together.
01:22:05.000I don't see Ro Khanna, as much as he talks about economic patriotism, putting that coalition together to have a bailout of East Palestine, Ohio.
01:22:14.000You guys are going to replay 2008 and 2009, where, Louie Garmert, you had a decision.
01:22:20.000Do we step in and have intervention and try to save this corrupt system by infusing it with taxpayer cash to bail out the elites?
01:22:28.000Or do we let the contagion spread and let the devil catch the hindmost?
01:22:32.000And the problem is when you're looking into the abyss, it's a very tough call for you guys to make because they're going to sit there and go, right now we're looking into an open pit.
01:22:40.000You have no idea how deep this could go, how the American financial system could collapse, how the international financial system could collapse.
01:22:47.000So you better vote to bail it out with taxpayer cash.
01:22:50.000So you're going to take it from people making $45,000 a year to bail out the wealthiest people on earth, and they're going to put a gun to your head.
01:22:57.000And they're going to say, OK, if you vote no and let capitalism take its path, this contagion will spread.
01:23:54.000When you have not, you sit there and you mock and ridicule East Palestine.
01:23:58.000You have some bogus hearing where nothing gets sold, nothing gets sorted.
01:24:04.000Until East Palestine gets a bailout, there shouldn't be one freaking penny given to anything in Silicon Valley.
01:24:10.000I agree, and it feels similar to the energy I felt when you guys stood up in the Speaker's vote, someone finally saying to the machine, you can't just steamroll us over and over and over again.
01:26:17.000Bill Ackman already said, if there's not a deal with another bank over the weekend, we have to begin the process of a federal bailout immediately.
01:26:26.000Yeah, Andrew Yang tweeted, in the absence of some kind of action, you'll see thousands of mass layoffs and defunct companies, a wiped out generation of startups, huge problems in California, in particular, and spreading financial contagion that will infect a host of regional banks at a minimum.
01:26:39.000Get ready Monday, because that's going to be everything on TV, and they're going to be calling you guys back to say it.
01:26:45.000But there was a startup bubble because of the COVID policies.
01:28:23.000I got really triggered once because I saw a meme that accused you of being a white supremacist, Steve.
01:28:28.000And I see all these Occupy people insulting you, and it's this picture of you, and they're just like... It's a meme where they claim that you think you're the master race.
01:28:37.000And I'm like, have they listened to a single word Steve Bennis ever said?
01:28:40.000Because you're the guy who would be up on top of the stage everything you just said.
01:28:46.000Bullhorning to all of these people, this is it, and they'd be cheering for you, but the media introduces critical race theory, gender ideology, lies about you, and it splits up the people who should be agreeing with you.
01:29:06.000The collapse of the neoliberal order, which is predicated upon the slave labor of China, the Lao-Beijing, gives us an opportunity to throw off the chains of working-class people everywhere, regardless of race or gender or religion.
01:29:22.000And we have a unique opportunity to do that in this, and that's going to come.
01:29:25.000That's why populism is on the rise, and particularly that's why right-wing... I'm proud to be a right-wing populist.
01:29:30.000That's why right-wing populism is on the rise.
01:29:33.000So, Min Liang Tan, co-founder and CEO of Razor, tweeted, I think Twitter should buy SVB and become a digital bank.
01:29:41.000Elon Musk replied, I'm open to the idea.
01:29:47.000I think until Elon Musk starts letting back on the most, the true anti-CCP people that he keeps blocked off there, myself included, not that I want to go on there.
01:29:59.000He's owned by the Chinese Communist Party.
01:30:02.000When you talk about Tesla, his only thing of real value is Tesla.
01:30:06.000He uses it for margin loans, he sells the stock.
01:30:09.000The Shanghai joint venture is 100% controlled by the CCP.
01:30:13.000This is why he never goes after the CCP.
01:31:47.000China will destroy me in two seconds if I go anywhere near that, so I better shut up about them.
01:31:51.000See, that's what I think with the FBI and all this about the domestic terrorism and the white supremacy and all that.
01:31:55.000I don't think you can get there, even in hearings or whatever, until you get to the bottom of J6.
01:32:00.000I think J6 is so emblazoned in people's memories.
01:32:03.000If you go back and actually show... Well, J6 changed the way the FBI thought about domestic violence extremism.
01:32:08.000I mean, we have been in depositions where the whole construct of categorizing domestic violence extremism, the way they would mark a case, you know, for example, if you were investigating an organization, You would open a file and then you would open up targets underneath that file.
01:32:26.000after J6 there was such a desire to resource an effort to combat domestic violence extremism
01:32:32.000that they would say in an organization if there were eight people each separate person
01:32:37.000had to have a separate file opened on them so that they could create the veneer or the
01:32:42.000illusion that there was a greater problem than there ever was.
01:32:45.000Throughout the country they assign these cases to the individual field offices instead of
01:32:50.000all of them being Washington field office cases in order to get the appearance of this
01:32:53.000burgeoning spread of domestic violent extremism.
01:32:56.000You know but Matt on the other hand ever since I walked in the door up here I've been hearing
01:33:01.000from these people to sit down in hearings and homeland security or judiciary committees
01:33:05.000and they tell us about the most lethal threat to the homeland is domestic violent extremism.
01:33:11.000So they use January 6th to advance a narrative.
01:33:15.000You know, I think it's sort of a waystation, though, Steve.
01:33:17.000I think Tim is right, that you may be right, the country doesn't want to go back and rehearse all of Portland and Seattle and Chaz and so forth, but the Atlanta attack does open up a new chapter.
01:33:30.000Actually, you can see, there's another one, you mentioned Whitmer.
01:33:34.000You know, one of the FBI handlers, and one of those with the Whitmer informant, main guy there, was trying to also run a separate scam with respect to Ralph Northam.
01:33:46.000And there's that line that he uses, the FBI handler to the confidential human source, who is about to reach out to somebody who's trying to draw into one of these FBI plots, and he says, and the informant asks for guidance, and he says, the plot is specifically to kill the governor.
01:34:05.000The FBI is trying to inspire and concoct.
01:34:09.000Plus, there was another one involving a BLM guy.
01:34:12.000They wanted to propose an assassination plot against the Attorney General of Colorado.
01:35:10.000On FISA, for example, Zoe Lofgren of California is an ally to try to curtail the authorities that have been abused.
01:35:17.000How do we put together ideas, legislation that can draw those people into a reform movement?
01:35:24.000I feel like you've mostly won the civil libertarians.
01:35:28.000I find myself sitting down with conservatives all the time who have staunchly conservative views that I mostly don't share, but we never even talk about that because the issue is typically the weaponization of government, the failure of our, or capture of our institutions.
01:35:42.000So you end up with this, I call it sometimes the freedom faction, I guess, because I'm like saying the right doesn't make sense because there are people who are actually somewhat socialist lean.
01:35:51.000I mean, Joe Rogan, for instance, talks about UBI and other socialist like policies.
01:36:10.000If you can sit down with someone who says they're pro-life and want a flat tax or something, and then I say, okay, well, we can talk about that, I guess.
01:36:16.000But then they're like, oh, and here's a book of facts of what really happened.
01:36:19.000And then I'm like, those are all true.
01:36:22.000Then you got another faction of people that either don't know, don't care, or believe lies.
01:36:26.000I see, I think a lot of people who follow this show, for instance, we've done a few polls, some informal, some more formal, and it's like 40% moderates.
01:36:35.000They don't consider themselves conservatives or Republican.
01:36:37.000They consider themselves like, I used to be liberal, I guess.
01:36:41.000So I do feel like that coalition is here.
01:36:45.000The question is, Is it that people are too scared to get active and speak out because institutional capture means... Well, how many people... Look, you used to have a wide swath of the center-left Democrats were civil libertarians.
01:37:06.000An interesting case study is former congressman, current Colorado governor, Jared Polis.
01:37:11.000Jared Polis and Justin Amash were in a Liberty Caucus together, where they would fight against government surveillance, where they would fight against endless wars.
01:37:20.000And then Jared Polis gets a little power in the executive branch in Colorado and turns into a big government, command and control, pro-lockdown.
01:37:59.000So, the one thing I think could be, one approach is, we saw Yunkin do that town hall on CNN, where he mentioned when it came to critical race theory in schools, it's because these lessons actually violate the Civil Rights Act.
01:38:25.000Is there an approach in terms of institutional capture that is, hey, this wokeness and gender ideology is actually in violation of the law, and we can find a way to stop it?
01:38:33.000A number of folks have suggested that, and I think there's some lawsuits to that effect that are rolling around out there.
01:38:40.000The problem is you're going to have a difficult time defining a suspect class.
01:38:44.000If you're making it some sort of equal protection claim.
01:38:47.000Well, I mean it's hard to, it's hard to say, take the Title 7 employment non-discrimination.
01:38:55.000It's hard to say that you're going to put people in a room and tell them that white people are inherently bad.
01:39:04.000And make that not a violation of Title VII, which says you can't discriminate or have a hostile work environment based on race.
01:39:10.000I mean, it's the epitome of a hostile work environment.
01:39:13.000So I don't think there's a difficulty defining a suspect class there.
01:39:17.000I think that statute is pretty straightforward.
01:40:20.000We got to get to the bottom of how they use finance to manipulate and control the people and destroy lives and pressure the society.
01:40:27.000And then when you look at his posts on Facebook, the people who used to agree 100% with everything he's saying are now posting things about wokeness.
01:40:35.000And when he tries to talk to them and say, guys, I understand you're upset about this, but this finance stuff they're doing, and they're like, it's white supremacy, you're wrong.
01:40:42.000And it feels like those activists are gone.
01:40:44.000They've, for whatever reason, been pulled into a totally different headspace.
01:40:56.000I don't know where, you know, Matt is one of the, he's probably the most Knowledgeable Republican in the conference about where the people would be on the Democrat side who might join in that kind of thing.
01:41:11.000Unfortunately, the Democrats are better at the kind of shirts versus skins politics in Washington.
01:41:20.000I don't think it's more than a small handful anymore.
01:44:16.000We don't ever really have a health care policy to make people healthier.
01:44:19.000And it sickens me that we continue to subsidize these very unhealthy foods for poor people, then those poor people find themselves in bad health, and then we subsidize the bad health and the disability, the SSID, on the back end.
01:44:34.000And it is a function of what I believe is a corrupt system in Washington, D.C., largely run by lobbyists and interest groups.
01:44:43.000he said, SVB CEO sold $3.5 million in shares two weeks before the collapse.
01:44:50.000And the CFO, by the way, the CFO threw in another $750,000.
01:44:52.000By the way, Patrick McHenry, this has got to be your witness next week in the Financial Services Committee.
01:44:58.000You've got to call this CEO and ask him about that little stuff.
01:45:01.000No, seriously, before they come for a bailout, you've got to have the CEO and the CFO with McHenry in a finance committee getting grilled right there.
01:45:11.000I want to know what work of the Financial Services Committee would come before this.
01:45:15.000What do you have the nerve to schedule before questions for that guy?
01:46:15.000So this could spread just because the bond market is getting crushed.
01:46:19.000This contagion could spread because what Biden has done to bury this country in this continual over-the-top spending with the collaboration of Mitch McConnell and these guys in the Senate that has driven the Fed now to jack rates.
01:47:03.000And you guys should be calling emergency hearings and get guys in here, the Federal Reserve, the bank regulators.
01:47:07.000First question, why are the California... I'm not going to say there's a lot of Fed policy.
01:47:10.000That's because there are multiple tools The first question I would ask is why did the California regulators seize the bank hours before the Fed?
01:47:25.000Why was Janet Yellen, the control of the currency, the Federal Reserve, why was the Biden regime not on top of this?
01:48:45.000So how much of this is these crazy valuations that a lot of these tech companies have gotten as a result of The Biden federal assistance. A lot of it. The easy money
01:48:52.000and they raised a ton of money and they put this money in this bank and now they can't get to it.
01:48:57.000So it's a necessary corrective, right?
01:48:59.000Well, okay. So this is the question you guys are going to ask. This is 2008.
01:49:03.000You're looking into the abyss. You don't know how it's going to be.
01:49:07.000Do you vote trillions of dollars for bailouts and the bailouts are all on the back of shareholders, excuse me, of taxpayers making $40,000 a year, okay?
01:50:13.000Remember, in 2008, let's just go back, when Lehman collapsed because they got tired of moral hazard, what they didn't think about is that the commercial paper market, which is the way all the companies overnight get their cash in the cafeterias to pay everybody, it was the center.
01:50:28.000The commercial paper market collapsed, so the whole system froze.
01:50:31.000By Thursday, they went to see Bush and they said, this is Paulson and Bernanke, and they said, we need a trillion dollars by five o'clock.
01:50:39.000Or the American financial system will collapse in 48 hours and the world financial system will collapse in 72 hours and you'll have global anarchy.
01:50:57.000The only person who has the ability to do that is the Speaker of the House and the House has to vote this, right?
01:51:01.000They're the only people that can actually commit money.
01:51:03.000And so that's where this whole process started and that's where all those huge debates on the floor with Louie Gohmert and five libertarians sitting there going,
01:51:11.000no, it's called capitalism, let it rip.
01:51:14.000And they were overwhelmingly, everybody said, okay, that's great, theoretically, we can't do that
01:51:19.000because there may not be a bottom of this thing.
01:51:22.000You guys are gonna be faced with the same thing over the next couple of weeks.
01:51:24.000And local governments and state governments who are heavily utilizing the bond market
01:51:40.000That debt at the personal level, at the county level, the school board level, the border level, the local government, city, state, federal government, of everywhere it's $300 trillion.
01:51:51.000All basically predicated on an interest rate structure that's close to zero.
01:51:55.000Now that interest rate structure is at 4% for the 10-year bond and 5% for two.
01:52:00.000Remember, the night the election was stolen from Donald Trump, on the evening of 3 November 2020.
01:52:54.000We're essentially a bankrupt nation, okay?
01:52:57.000We have this thing called the Federal Reserve that continues to print money, and it continues to print money because the biggest export we have in the world is the dollar.
01:53:06.000Every transaction, and this is why what the CCP announced today with Iran and Saudi Arabia is so big.
01:53:11.000Because they're doing 40 year output, as the Green New Deal comes here, and we're trying to get to a net carbon zero, that Saudi Arabia and Iran are getting more important to China, the CCP who just burn anything.
01:53:23.000And they're doing long-term output deals for all their production, 40-year deals, and they're going to use the yuan, the Chinese currency, and take it directly and bear the risk that that comes not converted into petrodollars.
01:53:35.000Once we are not the reserve currency, which Great Britain was up until World War II.
01:53:40.000We took over at Bretton Woods after the war because we were the superpower.
01:54:02.000With the Saudis moving to the yuan, we really need the cartels.
01:54:05.000Where this is headed right now, their debate...
01:54:09.000Biden just put in your face a $6.8 trillion budget that has no cuts anywhere, basically 6% growth, one cut, and so he's not prepared to meet anybody halfway.
01:54:20.000And you have a debt ceiling right now that we see from the Congressional Budget Office, at minimum, will add $19 trillion in 10 years.
01:54:27.000That means we'll have $50 trillion of debt.
01:54:29.000You got to understand, we're going to have growth.
01:54:34.000You're going to have a lost generation or two in this country with under 2% growth, overbearing debt, so much money to go to pay off the debt, no opportunity, no venture capital, no ability to grow the economy, everybody living like a Russian serf.
01:54:50.000Thank goodness the Zoomers are mentally healthy enough for this.
01:54:59.000Stop painting such a rosy picture, Steve.
01:55:00.000I'm not sure I'm all that worried if that's the worst case scenario.
01:55:04.000I think one thing my generation and the younger generation need is to learn how to roll up their sleeves, chop some wood, and raise some chickens.
01:55:10.000One of the problems that we've had with millennials and Gen Z is they've been born into a world with Silver spoons up their asses everything you I mean they want for nothing you the story I tell is the first day I walk into vice media with my job I was shocked to find that people didn't even show up and we're getting 30 to 60 K depending on what your writing job was and I come folks don't show up here and they get 172,000
01:55:35.000Absolutely, but I'm in New York City and I'm thinking to myself, some of these people are getting 50, some of these people are getting 100k and they don't even show up.
01:55:43.000And I come from a world where I was loading bags and airplanes for 10 bucks an hour and people are getting injured, they're getting repetition injuries.
01:55:51.000I said if the people, the working class of this country found out what life was like for the laptop class, there'd be a revolution overnight.
01:56:00.000The idea that someone's getting $40, $50 an hour to think about how they can write another article about how racist Trump is, and meanwhile some other person is breaking their back lifting steel beams for $20, $30 an hour, they're going to be like, are you kidding me?
01:56:15.000So this generation, they need to learn where to chop some wood.
01:56:18.000Where these guys are going to come under the pressure, not just the bailout of SPV and stopping the contagion, but then you get right into the spending, into the debt ceiling.
01:56:26.000And you're going to get the emotions of this are going to be huge because they're saying you're going to throw kids.
01:57:06.000That says to me they knew it was coming well in advance and it was planned for this day because this is the day where everyone's off partying and not paying attention.
01:57:12.000That's Friday's where news goes to die.
01:57:14.000So it sounds like they knew this was coming and they wanted to...
01:57:24.000The California regulators for a state regulator to step in front of the Fed and something like this and federal authorities is unheard of on a bank that's not some local community bank.
01:57:37.000Newsom, I think, is in real trouble on this, because I think Newsom, this is going to hit the thing, but I think Newsom is going to step in and start to, he's going to come back and make the big play that you've got to bail this out, this is the future of the country.
01:57:46.000He comes to Washington to demand the bailout.
01:57:49.000Gavin Newsom will come and say, this California model is actually the model for the country.
01:59:21.000Now to the rest of the world, they owe it to everybody.
01:59:23.000They don't have the luxury of just creating itself.
01:59:26.000One of the reasons we have the luxury, we are the prime reserve currency.
01:59:29.000We export dollars and everybody's got to do every transaction in the world because of that.
01:59:33.000But it's going to be... But do you think, when you talk about the dollar under attack from this alliance, don't you think that the sanctions regime that our country has embraced over time, It has.
01:59:47.000Because the SWIFT system, being able to do sanctions and then cut them off the SWIFT system, which is the way you do transactions, is exacerbated.
01:59:56.000Sanctions seem to always get a lot of bipartisan support in Washington, but if sanctions worked, Cuba would be a Caribbean paradise, not a shithole country.
02:00:06.000And if sanctions worked, you know, we would see Venezuela develop as the jewel of South America.
02:00:12.000The reality is sanctions tend to hurt the people that live in these countries.
02:00:16.000I haven't seen Maduro miss too many meals as a consequence.
02:00:20.000Well, grabbing an empanada on TV is a classic historical moment.
02:00:48.000By the way, there is an aspect of doing that, and that is, by the way, they asked it the other day, I think Timmins in North Carolina, to come up with the trillion-dollar coin.
02:01:18.000Writing off the interest, though, I mean, if the interest is owed to a fraudulent system like a Swiss bank, the Bank for International Settlements, why are we as Americans adhering to this?
02:01:27.000Why do you say that it's an illegitimate system?
02:01:32.000It's basically they give us money and then they demand interest back on the money they gave us, but in order to get the interest to pay it back, we have to borrow it from them.
02:01:43.000People should learn how to do some hard work or something.
02:01:45.00024 trillion is owed to Americans, though, right?
02:01:47.000I think 24 trillion is owed to Americans.
02:01:49.000And by the way, of the next 16, we'll sell a couple trillion to the Chinese, a couple trillion to the Japanese, and we'll owe it to ourselves.
02:01:57.000So you've got a hard stop, and we do need to start winding it down, I guess.
02:01:59.000So this has been absolutely awesome to sit here with you guys and have conversations.
02:02:03.000The question is, how do you broadcast From the Capitol.
02:03:12.000We're wrapping up, but I will say, I think it would be awesome if, I mean, next time there's big stuff going on in Washington, if we could do more of this stuff, that would be absolutely fantastic.
02:04:01.000You can become a member at TimCast.com if you want us to do more of this.
02:04:04.000The way things have been going economically, I think we are only surviving right now, and I mean this because of the membership system that we have at TimCast.com.
02:04:14.000So, I mean, there was a period where ads were doing really well, but right now, for whatever it is, for whatever reason, ads are not doing so well.
02:04:22.000But because you guys become members at TimCast.com, I haven't really worried about it.
02:04:25.000So, so long as you are, you believe in us and you keep supporting us, we'll keep doing more stuff like this.
02:04:29.000Do you guys want to shout anything out?
02:04:43.000Thank you so much for allowing us to come down to the Capitol again and do this.
02:04:46.000I mean, it's a tremendous opportunity for us.
02:04:49.000Matt, I think the work you do is absolutely fantastic.
02:04:51.000Both of you guys in the fight over the speakership, we were all laughing, we were cheering when we were doing the show, because it really did, it felt like somebody was actually just standing up for so many Americans who are tired of the machine.
02:05:03.000So with that being said, thank you all so much for everything.