During the closing arguments, the prosecution tried to smear Tim Binger and smear him as a "biased" leftist. The defense tried to discredit him as an "expert" and a "prosecutor's lackey" and even called him a witness in the case. This is insane.
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00:01:46.000We gotta talk about what went down in these closing arguments, because the prosecution was lying through their teeth.
00:01:50.000Now, I'll be the first to admit, I'm biased for the defense, and there are some things about what they've said that I've questioned why I should believe them.
00:02:19.000So people that were paying attention today, it's pretty shocking.
00:02:23.000I mean, I'm watching this live on TV and I'm just like...
00:02:26.000So in the closing arguments with Binger, he tried to discredit me during my eyewitness testimony, under oath, by the way, under oath, right?
00:02:35.000But in his closing argument today, he called me a veteran of covering protests, right?
00:02:42.000But then the other prosecutor, towards the end of the closing argument, tried to discredit me again for hiring the specific lawyer that I hired for myself.
00:02:50.000So I truly do wonder if the jury is paying attention to this stuff Because, I mean, he really is insulting their intellect.
00:02:58.000He really is insulting their own ability to choose for themselves.
00:03:02.000Because when I was there, I want to say this real quick before we continue, so everybody knows.
00:03:06.000The reason why I was there was not to share my opinion.
00:03:09.000I was not some kind of expert to just speak on the video evidence or anything like that.
00:03:13.000I was an eyewitness to what happened, to what I saw, while at the same time, I had body cam footage to corroborate everything that I said.
00:03:23.000So, just for the record, because the world is watching, they've been watching on Tucker, they've been watching everywhere, my bias was the truth and what I saw that night.
00:03:31.000I was not there to give any kind of political opinion.
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00:08:06.000The prosecution was actually arguing earlier on that there was a charge, potentially for Kyle Rittenhouse, because they claimed he aimed his weapon at people, which is like negligent disregard for the safety of others or something like that.
00:08:18.000Pointing a weapon at people was a criminal offense, they argued.
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00:09:58.000NewsGuard says this is real news and they say the prosecutor held an AR-15 rifle with his finger on the trigger and pointed it toward the jury.
00:10:06.000That, this is definitive. Now Tim, I know you don't believe it, I do, because number one,
00:10:10.000he's a government employee. Number two, he's chicken winging.
00:10:13.000I remember the first time I held a rifle before, my elbows were all the way up. That's
00:10:17.000not really the proper way to hold a rifle. You learn to kind of hold them down and not act like
00:10:37.000I wouldn't scream like, I would yell, get down and I'd shove people to the floor.
00:10:43.000There's a government agent holding a firearm with his finger on the trigger in your face that he hasn't checked properly before even picking up.
00:10:58.000As soon as I see this, I was like, was Alec Baldwin consulting him?
00:11:02.000That's the question that I asked on my Twitter account.
00:11:04.000I have some personal experience with this guy.
00:11:06.000So, I mean, my personal experience with him, he seemed totally unprepared for me when I went to go testify the other day.
00:11:15.000And it just kind of seemed like he wasn't really prepared for what he was doing in this trial.
00:11:21.000And I can't really speak for him, but looking at something like this, I mean, how could you take someone serious when they're talking about how you handle a firearm or the do's and don'ts when you're speaking to the jury when they display something like this in a courtroom?
00:11:36.000I mean, I think he was trying to discredit me.
00:11:41.000He had you, Drew Hernandez, reporter on the scene, on the stand as a fact witness, not as an expert witness, as someone who was like, I was there, I saw this, and he started questioning why you had a lawyer.
00:11:53.000He started questioning whether you were biased, who you worked for now, not then.
00:11:58.000I'm hoping the jury can see through what this guy has been doing because pointing a weapon at them, I think I understand why he did it.
00:12:08.000He was hoping that they would feel fear and then be like, wow, is that what Kyle Rittenhouse did to people?
00:13:28.000And now he's like had it out of his system for a while because he's got a big trial up ahead or maybe he's on like Zoloft or something or some crazy like slowing mechanism that, because the guy is like faded.
00:13:37.000Now I want to point out it says that he pointed it toward the jury.
00:13:58.000I think that's a fair point, but I also think regardless, it's still, like, if there's a group of people and you're not directly aiming at any one person, you're pointing it toward the group of people.
00:16:09.000He said they have a Fifth Amendment right, you know, why didn't they testify?
00:16:12.000They objected to that, saying they don't have a Fifth Amendment right.
00:16:15.000They could have called the woman who was convicted, but the dude, this is a really important point in the trial, Whether or not someone has a Fifth Amendment right is up to the prosecution.
00:17:29.000Hypothetically, if Kyle did use holopoints, let's just kind of play up the scenario, I mean, the scene would be so much more graphic than it already was.
00:17:38.000And already, you saw the state prosecutor play extremely graphic videos, show extremely graphic images during his closing arguments, that I couldn't even look at.
00:17:48.000Like, it sparked A very strong reaction to me.
00:17:51.000So I do think when he was doing his kind of theatrics, putting his finger on the trigger, moving the rifle around, when he was showing the bicep, when he was showing the gore, when he was showing the blood, I think he was trying to evoke more of an emotional response rather than a logical one.
00:18:07.000Because other than that, I can't really understand what he was really trying to do here.
00:18:10.000Also, there's a meme video going around from the movie Heat with his image kind of imposed as the state prosecutor in action that is also going viral on the internet.
00:18:31.000You know, here's a comment I want to make about the trial and the reason why you're seeing this prosecutor look really bad time after time, even the state's own witnesses, right?
00:18:45.000Gage came out and literally admitted under oath he pointed his gun at Kyle first, right?
00:18:50.000The reason why you're seeing this happen over and over and over again is because the truth is coming out.
00:18:57.000It's coming out through the defense as well.
00:19:00.000And when you find yourself trying to suppress the truth or you find yourself trying to dance around the truth or Combat against the truth to try and like discredit it it's not gonna go well for you And that's why you see this happen over and over and over again in this trial and people are just kind of like What's going on with this guy?
00:19:19.000What's what's going on here because it's like when you're trying to argue with the truth And you're trying to discredit it and make it look like it's not even relevant or true Are you just trying like take the jury away from that's what he was trying to do with me He's trying to take the jury away from what I was gonna testify take the jury Distract away ask me questions that would lead me down another path It doesn't go well for you.
00:19:39.000And the reason why it doesn't go well for you is because it all comes out.
00:19:41.000And when it comes out, people are going to know for themselves what really happened and that's what's happening.
00:19:45.000This is a big victory in and of itself, that it's televised.
00:19:48.000Because, you know, in a real system with just malicious malpractice of justice, it would have been behind the scenes, kangaroo court, one and done, no one would have seen it.
00:19:58.000But we get to watch all the malfeasance.
00:20:01.000I think that's a victory, whatever the outcome.
00:21:58.000And one of them was outside on the ground as well.
00:22:01.000And this was after the rioters were going head-to-head with the police, and the police were pushing them down Sheridan, pushing them, they were deploying rubber bullets.
00:22:09.000They were taking concrete slabs and destroying them on the floor and throwing them at the cops, taking fireworks, explosive devices, throwing them at the police vehicles.
00:22:17.000Um, so as they were getting pushed back when they got to Car Source 2, these guys on the, you know, on the building had their rifles, um, the rioters came to them, they're like, you ain't the police!
00:22:27.000You ain't the police, you ain't the cops, you ain't the- like, getting super confrontational, to the point where the rioters went behind Car Source 2, grabbed more rocks, more concrete slabs, and were throwing them at the individuals with rifles on the top of the building.
00:22:42.000They brought a rock to a gunfight, okay?
00:22:46.000So, the reason why this is important is the first time I saw Kyle was when he came outside of this car source 2 and attempted to de-escalate that situation.
00:22:57.000He had his hands, like, he was, you know, he was going, like, kind of like when you, uh, when you're saying, hey, like, calm down, calm down, like, like, what, what, instead of saying the word calm down, what do you do?
00:23:07.000That's what he was doing, and then the rioters dispersed, because they were getting super confrontational, like, you ain't the cops, you ain't the police, you ain't the police!
00:23:25.000I don't want to say the wrong person, but, you know, someone tweeted... Did you see that, Drew?
00:23:28.000They were like, when we were marching in Ferguson, white supremacists were hiding by the hill where Michael Brown was shot, and they were shooting at us, and I'm like...
00:24:28.000We I was I watched him say he was like he's like we're here like the cops shouldn't hurt any guys you guys keep protesting do your thing and we want to make sure that everyone's safe and they were like what?
00:24:38.000The thing about Kenosha was it wasn't a protest.
00:24:44.000I mean, I was in Chicago the night Jacob Blake got shot, right?
00:24:49.000And I was looking on Twitter, and the first thing I saw, literally one of the first reports I saw what was happening in Kenosha was the rioters were already taking brick, took a brick to a police officer's head, knocked him unconscious.
00:25:03.000And then I started to see other reports, and I'm thinking to myself, how far is Kenosha?
00:25:07.000Whoa, it's like an hour and a half, two hour drive.
00:25:56.000I watched that video where it was like a mattress store or something, where it was being burned down, you see the smoke billowing out of the building.
00:26:03.000Which, I don't know, I have to look at it because there's so many burnt buildings in Kenosha.
00:26:06.000It's where the old guy is running up and like trying to get people at his store, and then someone bashes him over the back of that with a rock and he just falls down and he's lying on the ground bleeding and they're all like laughing and hooting at him.
00:26:16.000I have to look at that one, but that night was a mixture of arson, looting, vandalism, Total violence.
00:26:24.000They burnt down multiple buildings, and that's why when you hear the mainstream media, this is why they'll come out and say, oh, you're just biased.
00:26:30.000And they were chanting Black Lives Matter when they did it, okay?
00:26:34.000That's not bias, that's just the truth.
00:26:36.000I was in San Jose when... It was that moment where the guy got hit in the back of the head with rocks during the Trump rally.
00:26:44.000And I tweeted out it was Bernie Sanders supporters who did it.
00:26:48.000There was that big moment where they were like, Bernie supporters, Bernie bros are violent, Bernie supporters are violent, and Bernie was like, you guys gotta dock it off.
00:26:54.000And I tweeted like, yeah, those guys were Bernie supporters, and they were like, you're a liar and you're far right.
00:26:59.000And I was like, but that's what happened.
00:27:01.000And they were like, how do you know they were Bernie supporters?
00:27:38.000Yeah, well, me and my friends made sure that, you know, we prevented further escalations and, and, you know, you can just see a lot of these actions unfold right before they unfold with how people are preparing for it.
00:27:49.000But again, when we look at what happened last year during the summer, we're talking about over three There was a lot of tragedies out there.
00:27:58.000There's a lot of responsibility out there that you could point to so many different people.
00:28:01.000I would directly point at Big Tech social media.
00:28:03.000accounts of this but the mainstream media picked this ...
00:28:05.000particular case they highlighted it there's a lot ...
00:28:08.000of tragedies out there there's a lot of responsibility out ...
00:28:11.000there that you could point to so many different people I ...
00:28:14.000would directly point at big tech social media I would ...
00:28:17.000directly point at the mainstream media that was ...
00:28:19.000censoring any opposing viewpoints promoting ...
00:28:22.000obfuscating or even just sometimes making excuses for ...
00:28:25.000violence and I think that was deliberate and I think we're ...
00:28:28.000having that same kind of element being brought back now ...
00:28:31.000that the National Guard is being deployed in Wisconsin ...
00:28:34.000we have the NYPD Chicago PD LAPD Seattle PD Washington ...
00:28:37.000PD all of these things are being brought back.
00:28:44.000Why are 500 National Guard called out to Kenosha tonight if this whole thing started as a peaceful protest?
00:28:50.000This is why I'm so aggressive, Tim, because they're trying to lie.
00:28:53.000They're trying to cover for these violent criminals that literally showed up to literally burn down buildings, threaten the community.
00:28:59.000Kenosha was literally having a massive threat that night and this is so underplayed because they want to cover for these people and make them look like little saints that they're just Opposing racism.
00:29:10.000What happened to Kenosha had nothing to do with Jacob Blake being shot.
00:29:13.000And you're biased for talking about what you saw and what you filmed that we all plainly understood.
00:29:19.000And I want to stress a very important point when they criticize your bias.
00:29:22.000You actually testified that you had concerns about the guys with guns as well.
00:29:27.000The prosecutor was like, you held up your press badge when they were pointing a laser pointer at you because you were concerned for your safety.
00:29:32.000And you were like, well, I'm always concerned for my safety.
00:29:34.000But he was like, but you were worried they might have a gun on you.
00:29:39.000I was trying to explain context in that situation.
00:29:42.000That situation I just explained to you where I saw Kyle come out and attempt to de-escalate a situation?
00:29:47.000That was the same building that the rioters were taking rocks and throwing them at individuals with rifles on top of the building.
00:29:56.000But I, listen, I was sitting there filming it.
00:29:59.000So the reason why I said, of course, I'm in kind of concerned about my life because I don't want to be misidentified with these morons throwing rocks at people with guns.
00:30:10.000No, but I think the important point here is that I'm trying to make is there's two things.
00:30:13.000One, I think it's fair to say you've you I can't speak for you, but I've been on the ground.
00:30:18.000I absolutely fear the rioters more than I would fear militia members.
00:30:22.000Militia members tend to have firearms training.
00:30:24.000They tend to be more skittish about using force or weapons.
00:30:28.000And this is true of the left militias as well.
00:30:30.000When I would see the armed socialist groups, like the Socialist Rifle Association or whatever they call themselves, I would feel safer around them as well because they take it very, very seriously.
00:30:39.000But that being said, when you testified, you did have some concerns about both sides.
00:31:02.000If he's got concern for his safety across the board, it sounds like he's mostly concerned for himself, and not who's doing what, but that's it.
00:31:10.000You film the rioters rioting, and say they're rioters, he literally called you biased for saying they were rioters.
00:31:16.000He said, your footage seems slanted towards the rioters, and I responded and said, Yeah, because they're rioting in the footage, absolutely.
00:31:23.000Like, it just, it doesn't make any sense and that's why I'm watching the trial and I'm like, dude, you, you're, what he's doing is he's insulting the intellect and the judgment ability of the jurors.
00:31:36.000You know, you see this back and forth where, I'll use myself as an example.
00:31:40.000Today, he literally praised me for being a veteran reporter, trying to add credibility to me when it fit his little narrative, and then at the end, They literally try to discredit me again at the end of their closing argument.
00:31:53.000That just, to me, if I was a juror, that would insult me completely.
00:31:58.000So you think I'm that dumb that I even pick up on it?
00:32:02.000One of the biggest ones was him describing the activities of Rosenbaum and acted like it wasn't a big deal when he went over everything that he did.
00:33:31.000He lit a metal garbage dumpster on fire.
00:33:37.000Oh, and there's this empty wooden flatbed trailer that they pulled out in the middle of the road, and they tipped it over to stop some bearcats, and they lit it on fire.
00:33:56.000For all the woke supremacists out there, you got this white attorney playing down the use of the n-word being used by another white guy using the n-word at a so-called anti-racism gathering in Kenosha.
00:34:08.000Does that make sense to any of you out there?
00:34:11.000Okay, so for quick context for those just tuning in, this is the prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case trying, I think, to downplay the actions of Joseph Rosenbaum, who was I gotta be very careful about this.
00:34:25.000A person who committed some of the most serious atrocities against children, and I do believe that matters in this case and should have been relevant, because he just got out of jail, and that played a role in why he yelled, I don't care if I go back to jail.
00:35:04.000Okay, it's bad, but there was no one in it.
00:35:05.000No, he starts at the lightest and escalates to the point where I'm like, what?! !
00:35:09.000He's like, he knocked over a port-a-potty, and I'm like, that's pretty bad, but like, I've seen pranksters do that, as long as there's nobody in it.
00:35:14.000Well, and he left out what happened, because he said, oh, he lit a metal dumpster on fire.
00:35:20.000No, it was on fire, and he was attempting to push it into occupied police vehicles with human beings inside of them.
00:35:27.000And there were people pushing dumpsters towards a gas station.
00:35:30.000I want to be careful how I phrase that, because whether they were trying to, I can't read their minds.
00:35:34.000Right, it was like down the road past the gas station.
00:35:36.000They were moving in the direction of the gas station, and then the fire got put out.
00:35:40.000But hold on, he goes from there, he's letting a dumpster on fire, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, okay, that's getting pretty dangerous.
00:36:14.000So he's escalating and then he's like, oh.
00:36:16.000And then he took a wooden trailer and flipped it over in the street and set it on fire to block the police, and I'm like, yo, that's like, really bad.
00:37:02.000That's why I'm saying, the jury's seeing that stuff.
00:37:06.000Because people know what happened in Kenosha, and when people are sitting there laughing at what happened to their town, they're not gonna have it.
00:37:12.000There were people who were super chatting to us in response to your testimony.
00:37:15.000So I guess, I don't know if it's true, I don't want to accuse Rikada of saying it, but people were saying on Rikada's stream, they were saying you were a bad witness.
00:37:21.000And I think some of it has to do with you came off as adversarial with the prosecutor, right?
00:37:26.000I think he came off as adversarial with me because I didn't come in with that mentality.
00:37:30.000I came in, here's the thing, and people may not know this, is I submit my footage and I was willing to cooperate with both of them.
00:37:39.000He did not have to approach me that way, but he chose to, because he wanted to make it seem like it was adversarial, but I kept stating over and over again, I'm willing to tell both sides the truth, and I'm here for the jury.
00:37:52.000I personally, I'm not a lawyer, so I can only defer, I think we're kitted as a great stream, if you guys haven't been watching his stream and stuff, the commentary is absolutely fantastic, hearing all these lawyers tell you about what's right, what's wrong, and when you have, like, ten lawyers who are watching, they can point out all of the mistakes being made, It's great.
00:38:09.000It's kind of unfair to the actual defense team because they don't have the privilege
00:38:11.000of having 10 other lawyers advising them or whatever.
00:38:22.000He knew that you were a fact witness on the ground and you were very good for the defense.
00:38:28.000So we had to try and figure out a way to make it seem adversarial.
00:38:32.000You being confident in what you are talking about.
00:38:35.000He does this really annoying thing where he was like, um, who do you work for?
00:38:41.000Don't, don't, aren't you being biased?
00:38:43.000It's like a very annoying and condescending because he wants you to be like, Hey, hey, hey, look, this is what happened so that he can make it seem like you're not credible.
00:38:52.000That being said, I thought one thing that you said was the most important bit of testimony that people shouldn't gloss over when you brought up that Kyle Rittenhouse came out and de-escalated the violence.
00:39:03.000Because we can question the actions that night all day.
00:39:10.000And we can have an argument over the facts surrounding Rosenbaum chasing him.
00:39:14.000But when you brought up that you witnessed Kyle say, please, you know, I mean, I'm paraphrasing, I'm using a metaphor, like, when he came out trying to calm people down, that says to me there is no way you can argue intentional homicide.
00:39:29.000Well, here's another point, and this is why I don't care about any of the lawyers that are doing their live streams critiquing me and any of that.
00:39:36.000The reason why is because not only was I there to share my eyewitness testimony, I was there to submit more than 80 to 100 videos that corroborate every single thing that I said.
00:39:51.000on planet earth right now other than those jurors and that's why I was there and I have faith in the jurors that they were going to listen to my testimony and they have all of those videos to take a look at what really happened at least on my part from my heart from my perspective in my own life my own conscience that's what that was my intention to be there for this case I was I was flabbergasted How often the prosecution lied.
00:40:17.000Binger and Kraus, in their closing arguments, kept lying.
00:40:21.000And some of it was just falsehoods, which could be accidental, but some of it was outright lies, completely contradicting what the judge said.
00:40:51.000But they kept saying, he had a duty to retreat, he should have, he didn't exhaust all methods, he could have run, even though he did run.
00:40:58.000But it was amazing to watch them just outright lie.
00:41:00.000And I thought to myself, how is it that the prosecution, the state, is allowed to lie to the jury?
00:41:08.000When the defense would object, this is the craziest thing, there was one point where Binger has the rifle, and he's explaining that he pointed it, you know, because he did this on more than one occasion, I guess, but he pointed it at the Zeminskys.
00:42:11.000If you have a false statement of fact, I personally, maybe I'm wrong, because I don't understand why they do it this way, and there's probably a good reason, but I'd imagine a good judge would be like, make your arguments, but don't make up your facts.
00:42:24.000There are left-handed weapons, and it is true that you were facing the wrong direction in your demonstration.
00:42:30.000You can make an argument about intent, about what Kyle should have done, but he shouldn't be allowed to say there's no such thing as a left-handed gun.
00:43:01.000Maybe we should have a lawyer on to explain to me why prosecution has been allowed.
00:43:05.000And maybe the real reason is because the defense didn't object.
00:43:08.000But also, Binger, and I brought this up to you guys before the show, he makes statements.
00:43:13.000You're supposed to be asking the witness questions, but he will say things like, it seems to me that he said that if you light a fire, that he's going to use his weapon.
00:43:41.000There have been a few instances where the judge, there's been an objection, and like the defense said, that's a statement, and then the judge goes, ask a question.
00:43:49.000That's common, they'll do that, but you're right, it is extremely lazy, but it's probably on the line, where it's like, so Ian, when you walked down the street, you really wanted to kick that dog, right?
00:44:58.000Their whole case is predicated upon emotional manipulation.
00:45:02.000They claim Drew Hernandez is this veteran reporter who knows what he's talking about when it serves the current argument for this minute, and then later on at the end of the argument, they say he's biased, you can't believe him.
00:45:11.000When he kept, like, he would use, and I know lawyers do this, but I think he just was unaware that I would actually pick up on it.
00:45:17.000Like, he would say things like, so, this video you posted, um, that you made on, and he would continue, like, no, I didn't make anything.
00:45:26.000Oh, and this was on video, he's like, oh, the video you recorded.
00:46:05.000But he was, he tried to say, you made the video and you caught him on that because his line of questioning was, you spliced the video and you manipulate it.
00:46:12.000Therefore, we should be allowed to use our manipulated video as well.
00:46:15.000But that's why if you guys caught my response, my response was, there's full footage on the body cam and the phone, unedited.
00:46:24.000I sent you all the raw and I sent you this synced video as well.
00:46:31.000The other thing he said was, I loved this.
00:46:33.000Because the night before you testified, I was like, Drew is not gonna take it from him, he's not gonna be manipulated, he's gonna know what he knows, he's gonna say what he said, because we've had you on the show, I know the kind of person you are.
00:46:42.000And he said, you went down to Kenosha to film the things that were happening there, and you're like, the violent riots, yes.
00:47:42.000Oh man, they were smashing cars on camera.
00:47:44.000They're just smashing all the windows and destroying... And like the car, that car store... Probably more than 50 on the first car dealership that night, yeah.
00:47:49.000The car dealership was smashed out, but not burned out.
00:48:01.000They went to the dealerships and they poured, there's video of them carrying gas cans.
00:48:05.000Dude, when I was in Ferguson, This was scary.
00:48:08.000Not only were gunshots going off, but there was a point where we were driving down the road and we saw the people carrying the gas cans.
00:48:15.000And we were like, they were yelling, and we were just like, keep driving, keep driving.
00:48:19.000When you got rioters walking up with gas cans, guns, we were like, we're not gonna, we can't, we can't stop.
00:48:25.000I don't, I don't remember if we got any footage of it.
00:48:27.000We saw when we were like, this is where the danger level is too high, even for us, because they know we're reporters and that's where bad stuff goes down.
00:48:35.000I got shot at on more than one occasion.
00:48:37.000Now, I'm not saying, no one targeted me.
00:48:38.000No one said, hey, look, it's simple and pull the trigger.
00:48:47.000And it's not white supremacists doing this.
00:48:49.000It was Black Lives Matter rioters who were shooting guns randomly at these events.
00:48:55.000Do they not call them arsonists because they have to be convicted of arson before you can call someone an arsonist?
00:49:00.000No, Ian, they're peaceful protesters creating harmonious chaos that, of course, works towards the political agenda of the nefarious global elite.
00:49:09.000You know, that night, that first night in Kenosha, right in front of the courthouse to the right, there's like a dinosaur museum.
00:49:19.000And they were getting little black kids and they were they were like handing them things in order to burn down the museum and they broke the window and they were trying to burn down the building from inside the window.
00:49:32.000Like they infiltrate some of these movements.
00:49:34.000And they recruit certain people, they'll give them the shields, they'll give them equipment, they'll give them an umbrella, they'll give them something to do in order to commit some of their mass violence.
00:49:43.000And a lot of people are like, well, is Antifa really organized?
00:49:58.000This may be one of the most consequential cases of our lifetimes.
00:50:03.000As the rioters traveled across the country last year, burning down buildings and smashing windows, with a reporting from Michael Tracy, some of the most important I've ever seen, where he actually went to these small towns you've never heard of and saw the damage from the riots.
00:50:18.000They have protected people like Gage Grosskreutz when the prosecution instructed the detectives not to execute search warrants.
00:50:26.000Take a look at this story from the Daily Caller.
00:50:28.000The prosecutor in the Rittenhouse trial says, you lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun.
00:50:36.000A major component of this trial, this is not about Kyle Rittenhouse in the bigger picture.
00:50:41.000It is about your right to keep and bear arms.
00:50:44.000Now I will say, when you look at constitutional carry, gun rights have been winning.
00:50:50.000But this is a major assault on the culture around it.
00:50:54.000We can win in the courts, we can win in the legislature, but if they can set precedent that if you bear a gun, You are ALWAYS the provocateur, ALWAYS the instigator, and NEVER intended self-defense.
00:51:06.000That's the argument being played here.
00:51:08.000If the jury sides with the prosecution, you will start hearing attempts where they say, in the case of the State v. Rittenhouse, the jury found that, you know, if you're bringing a weapon to a fistfight, you are provoking, blah blah blah.
00:51:22.000I don't... I'm probably getting this a bit wrong.
00:51:24.000I'm not a lawyer, so maybe that context isn't correct.
00:51:26.000Maybe the precedent has to be set from a judge or something like that as a question of law.
00:51:29.000The point is, they're trying to make a cultural moment occur where Kyle Reynolds is guilty simply because he brought a gun.
00:51:35.000Now, mind you, the question's been answered.
00:51:38.000The judge... This was the most amazing moment.
00:51:42.000The judge said to the prosecution as a question of law, because that's what the judge deals with, The charge, count six, illegal possession of a deadly weapon by a person under 18.
00:53:26.000If culture emerges, where in the media, in all of our institutions, if you have a gun, you are considered an instigator in any capacity, you will never be able to use a gun to defend yourself.
00:53:50.000And Kyle, I mean, particularly Kyle's testimony, Because he's just like, uh, it was like his hometown, or like his dad lived there and it was like his city.
00:53:58.000His grandma lives there, his dad lives there, he works there, his best friend's there, I think his cousin's there.
00:54:15.000even ice cream lies. And we know Ben and Jerry's is full of garbage. But they tweeted, what what if a 17 year old, you
00:54:21.000know, black person, care, a black kid carried a rifle across illegally across state lines and killed three white
00:54:27.000people, as if what happened was a white person carried up and across state lines and killed three black people, which
00:54:32.000it didn't have skin color did not matter when they were charging at that guy. I don't care if Kyle Rittenhouse is
00:54:38.000white, black, Asian, male, female, five feet tall, six feet tall. What if
00:54:42.000It's funny how they're like, this is really important for self-defense as well.
00:54:46.000Cenk Uygur was like, so how would the right feel if a black teenager brought a rifle to a protest and then shot people and claimed self-defense?
00:54:53.000And every two-way person was like, oh, we would defend him.
00:54:58.000When I was tweeting about 2A and the absolute rights, and people were like, I'd like to see you defend the Black Panthers having guns, Tim.
00:55:06.000And I said something like, abso-effing-lutely, every Black Panther should be armed, they're allowed to walk down those streets, they're allowed to be in this country, going wherever they please, with whatever gun they want.
00:55:18.000And then these socialists were like, based.
00:55:20.000I'm like, do you think we don't want people to have the right to bear arms and defend themselves?
00:55:27.000We have the Second Amendment here in the United States, whether left or right.
00:55:30.000And it's like they've made it like it's all people.
00:55:33.000But what's interesting is how this has been so spun.
00:55:37.000If Kyle gets convicted, he will be the poster child for an active shooter.
00:55:41.000And anytime there's some kind of active shooting, this is not an active shooting situation, but they're going to use it as that.
00:55:47.000So now moving forward in the United States of America, whenever we do have some kind of situation like that, Kyle Rittenhouse, he will become some kind of poster child that's going to be used to attack the Second Amendment at the same time.
00:56:00.000They'll take something that's a minority.
00:56:04.000I mean, we have active shootings happen in the United States, right?
00:56:08.000But it's not like this insane pandemic or crazy thing that's happening in the United States that's out of control.
00:56:15.000For the most part, people are responsible gun owners, right?
00:56:18.000But they do the same thing with COVID as well.
00:56:20.000There's a minority of numbers, but they blasted across the entire society where everyone has to be on lockdown, even though there's a minority of people that could actually die from it.
00:57:00.000My main issue with it is, I don't think it's necessarily that the media and the establishment... I should say the establishment and the elites do this on purpose.
00:57:10.000But for the bigger picture in the media, the reason why they highlight every fringe case, the reason why it seems like the apocalypse is happening with COVID is because the media finds the story and reports it, but they don't report the non-story.
00:57:42.000Because it is low-level sustained terrorism, we don't hear about it all that much.
00:57:47.000The mainstream media, first of all, the establishment, they're biased.
00:57:51.000Kamala Harris actively fundraised for these people, so of course there's that.
00:57:55.000And then there's the media component of local news outlets, for instance, that aren't as, you know, not always wrapped up in the manipulation.
00:58:01.000Local news outlets do a good job, but they're not going to report on a guy getting punched.
00:58:05.000Now what happens if one fringe far-right winger gets a gun and goes and commits an atrocity?
00:58:16.000We gotta stop these people before they can take, you know, carry this stuff out.
00:58:19.000It's difficult to figure out how to do that, but everyone will hear about it.
00:58:22.000And then, for those of us that are in the news and reading the stories, we know that Antifa does this.
00:58:29.000Well it's not just little crimes I mean there's people burned alive there's people shot there was a police officer trying to stop looting that was literally shot point-blank on on live streams and it went viral on the internet but it wasn't really that prominently talked on the mainstream media but I but I think what's happening here is that Obviously this case is politically polarized obviously ... a lot of ways on this particular case and I think ... that's why there's so much attention on it there so much ... hype on it because I think the establishment wants to use ... this case as an example of you can't defend yourself if you ... are going on or you have a gun you get attacked.
00:59:04.000I really want to be careful with the left and the right.
00:59:50.000The left loves guns until... The leftists love guns until they get the power, then they'll take your guns.
00:59:56.000Yeah, I think to go to Luke's point is, I think they might even want to do this to discourage people from even wanting to buy a gun in the first place.
01:00:06.000Oh, you want to buy a gun for self-defense?
01:00:08.000Well, look what happened to Kyle Rittenhouse.
01:00:19.000If that happens to you, you're gonna end up in that position too.
01:00:22.000So I think that could potentially discourage an entire generation from even wanting to own a firearm and literally uphold their Second Amendment.
01:00:31.000Look at the way that the mainstream media responded to this.
01:00:34.000They called him a white supremacist, they called him an active shooter, they called him guilty.
01:00:38.000Without even the trial beginning big ... tech social media censored people mainstream media ... organizations we should corporate media organization ... showed up at people's doors for donating $10 to him people ... who were in the police departments were fired for ... donating $25 for him so so already we're having him kind of.
01:00:59.000Prosecuted in the eyes of big tech social media the corporate ... media which is going to discourage a lot of people ... already with this trial that happened with a lot of people's ... viewpoints we have to understand no matter what the ... jury decides here there's a bigger verdict that's going to ... be kind of decided by the general public here that ... absolutely ways and I think you could see that today by some of ...
01:01:21.000He looks like he's reacting to a lot of the outside ... influences here that are trying to push for a particular ... outcome for this case so when this happens I mean this to me ... is just like the perfect divide-and-conquer agenda I ... think this is why we're getting so much play on it because ... there's so much weighing on this and I think a lot of the ... establishment are seeing this as an opportunity to ram ... through a lot of their absolutely crazy policies that ... would disarm people that would leave them defenseless.
01:01:47.000And at the end of the day, I mean, I don't know if this is the perfect case to make a stand here, but this is a very offensive case that the establishment is making here.
01:01:56.000If Kyle Rittenhouse does get convicted.
01:01:59.000This is not the story of an evil ideologue.
01:02:02.000This is the story of a 17-year-old who said, I want to help everybody.
01:02:07.000This is the story of a 17-year-old who went to Kenosha, where his father lives, where his grandmother lives, where he works, where his best friend lives, where he drives through every day and said, I will actively help even those who are rioting, who rendered aid to people and asked if they needed medical assistance, even though he's clearly not with them as an ideologue or a protester.
01:02:28.000Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't there for the right, he wasn't there for the left, he was just there to help.
01:02:34.000He didn't want fires, he didn't want destruction, and he didn't want those protesting to get hurt either.
01:02:39.000So I keep bringing this up, but it's something Steven Crowder talked about.
01:02:42.000He says, this isn't really Kyle on trial here, which is great poetry.
01:03:14.000It was literally a crime scene, and what people need to understand is there was a threat to the community.
01:03:20.000I mean, when I came, okay, the first night I was there, I drove back to Chicago, did a hit with Fox that night, and then went all the way back the third night back to the Kenosha scene.
01:03:30.000When I got back, I was talking to some of the locals.
01:03:38.000I asked her, are you a Black Lives Matter supporter in broad daylight?
01:03:41.000And I was like, do you condone the violent rioting?
01:03:45.000And she says, yes, this is the only way that we can have our voices heard.
01:03:49.000You were there the first night and the third night?
01:03:52.000This is the day of the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting.
01:03:55.000I'm asking these kind of questions to these people, and this is what they're saying, okay?
01:03:59.000So, also I'm walking around, I'm talking to some of the locals, I interviewed the people that had their businesses burned down to the ground, and they're just confused.
01:04:06.000They're like, what do we have to do with Jacob Blake?
01:04:21.000There's violent criminals that showed up with a political agenda to burn down a building that had to burn down a community that had nothing to do with them.
01:04:27.000Even right now, Tim, right now, when I was in Kenosha, I'm driving down the street.
01:05:03.000Across the board, from Chris Hayes to Anna Kasparian, the narrative has been we were wrong about Kyle Rittenhouse, he's gonna be acquitted.
01:06:13.000Because I can't get into specific details.
01:06:15.000The details of what Rosenbaum did to children are so graphic and vile that YouTube might actually give me a strike simply for saying it.
01:06:25.000They will suppress, demonetize, and potentially remove because the description of what Rosenbaum was convicted of is an atrocity against a child.
01:09:31.000Yeah, well, we've got to be careful with our words here, but more importantly, you know, people with his charges, and he was charged on 11 incidences with 5 kids, all boys aged 9 to 11, that's the context here, I'm not going to get into the specifics here, but people who have his rap sheet do not have a good time in jail.
01:09:51.000They are targets, they are obviously punished by other prisoners, and prisoners, of course, Take these individuals and they do other unspeakable ... things to them as their own form of justice to these types ... of specific criminals so for him to say that he wants to be ... back in a place where he's in jail where he has not just the ... prison guards against them not just the prison staff but the ... prisoners against him who are known for committing atrocities ... against these specific types of people.
01:10:22.000Shows you someone that is obviously not in a right state of mind, obviously was not doing very well, and obviously something that is a very horrible situation overall.
01:10:32.000I think that was relevant to this case because it shows you that perhaps what Rosenbaum was... what motivated him was mental illness.
01:10:42.000And I don't mean that to disparage people who have mental illness.
01:10:45.000As I'm saying, this man was unwell to a very extreme degree.
01:10:49.000I think if the jury understood that, it would be a very, very different picture.
01:10:53.000A picture of a protester who was angry and destructive or a mentally ill man who had committed very serious crimes, was lashing out and threatening other people.
01:11:06.000I know Tucker Carlson said it very bluntly, but I'll say it very, you know, much more delicately.
01:11:12.000Rosenbaum had committed violent atrocities against children.
01:11:17.000He has a tendency towards violence against other people, not just in this moment.
01:11:22.000Telling the jury this man has a history of violence against others is extremely important to let them know it was not a one-off moment where a protester got mad at somebody.
01:11:43.000If the jury had known, no, Rosenbaum has been violent for decades against minors, against children, against other people, and this is a part of a pattern of abuse he's committed in his life, they might say, a mentally ill man And I'm not trying to disparage them mentally.
01:13:37.000But my point is, isn't it fair to be like, if Freddy Krueger attacks a teenage girl, and then she casts a spell, and then he turns into a rat and then explodes, I'm being very, very offensive.
01:13:48.000Like, if he's defeated in the dreams, and they're like, oh, they killed Freddy Krueger, it's like, can the court please hear about the teenagers whose dreams he's invaded in the past?
01:14:13.000Was it an effort by some politicians who wanted to get people out of prison?
01:14:17.000Because there was a big effort underway during that summer where a lot of hardened criminals were released on the streets in the name of prison reform.
01:14:37.000Yeah, Tim's looking it up right now, but I was gonna say, I'm really glad that the judge said that it needed to be allowed, that he yelled out, I'm not afraid to go back to prison, because that really puts a spotlight on him having been in prison and literally acting like he has nothing to lose, which I think really lends to Tim's point that he might have definitely been I mean, just observing the behavior from that night, I could say without a shadow of a doubt, and I have the footage to back it up as well, not just an eyewitness, this is not my opinion, Joseph Rosenbaum was a threat to those around him, to the community, to himself, to everybody, even to the police that night.
01:15:15.000And you could take a look at the footage, and everything that I'm saying is 100% true, because he was a threat to every single one of those people.
01:15:22.000And to me, I think it's just obvious when you are literally just so open to say, shoot me, shoot me, n-word.
01:15:31.000Literally trying to get into a physical confrontation with somebody with a gun, the people at the gas station.
01:15:37.000I think people just decide for themselves.
01:16:16.000So if you guys look at my footage and you see when Rosenbaum is in the ultimate gas station and he's getting crazy with the people with the rifle saying, shoot me inward, shoot me inward.
01:16:26.000He's throwing his body on people, he's just getting crazy, but then he retreats to the street.
01:16:32.000And when he retreats to the street, that's when he conceals his identity with his shirt.
01:16:35.000He takes his shirt off and then he conceals his identity.
01:16:38.000And then, this is the footage that I submitted that they played in the middle of the trial that nobody's ever seen before, is once he retreated to the street, concealed his identity, he's committing arson again.
01:16:47.000He's lighting another trash can on fire.
01:16:49.000And it's two minutes, I timed it, two minutes and five seconds between he's committing arson and charging Kyle Rittenhouse from behind.
01:16:57.000It was really amazing how we've seen leftist activists lie, claiming that Kyle Rittenhouse was chasing Rosenbaum, how the prosecution tried claiming that he aimed his weapon at him, which is absurd, And then, when Kyle Rittenhouse was telling his story in his first bit of testimony, and they get to that point where he's surrounded, Zeminsky armed, Rosenbaum running at him, and he just breaks down, hyperventilating, and they all said, he's not crying, he's not crying, all these angry anti-Rittenhouse, you know, lefty type people.
01:17:29.000And when you look at the video, which is low resolution and grainy, you can't really see anything on his face.
01:17:36.000When you look at the high-res photographs from photographers, you can see the tears coming down his face.
01:17:41.000When I saw that, look man, either Kyle Rittenhouse deserves an Oscar for that performance, or the reality was, the kids, it was revealed by the defense, he's in therapy.
01:19:01.000You know, so when I was reading the story about ADA binger pointing a rifle at the jury, I'm like, I'm digging up a story after story trying to fact check this because I'm like, there's no way the prosecutor would aim a rifle finger on the trigger at the jury!
01:19:14.000And the reporting says he did, and so I'm like, this is why I use NewsGuard, and people laugh because Microsoft funded, and I'm like, because it's not about what I want to believe, it's about what the news reported happened.
01:19:26.000And maybe they're wrong, and maybe they'll correct, and I'll issue a correction, but that's what happened.
01:19:30.000When it comes to what happened with the defense, they said, Kyle said he feared that if he got that weapon, he would use it on Kyle, and he would use it on others.
01:19:39.000I believe there is a strong, strong likelihood Rosenbaum would have used that rifle on Kyle Rittenhouse.
01:19:46.000I don't believe he would have started using it on others.
01:19:50.000I believe that's where things get a little exaggerated.
01:19:52.000However, consider, if he... So what I mean to say is, I don't think that Rosenbaum was in this frame of mind where he would take a rifle and just randomly gun people down.
01:20:05.000That's what they say about Rittenhouse.
01:20:23.000Someone would have run up and hit him with a skateboard.
01:20:25.000Rosenbaum would start firing on people.
01:20:27.000So in that regard, The mob would have attacked him, not knowing who he was, or caring who he was, and then he would have used that rifle on people.
01:20:34.000It's definitely the problem of letting go of your rifle in a situation like that.
01:20:55.000People were screaming all sorts of stuff about killing Kyle, so in his mind, you know, Best case scenario, if he lets go of the rifle, he's going to get shot and killed.
01:21:03.000You know, that night, man, in the middle of that riot, the mob mentality for two days straight was already at a 100.
01:21:25.000Like when Richie was carrying Rosenbaum to take him to the car where they were going to transport him because they thought it was Richie that shot him.
01:21:31.000They were just... It went from a hundred to a thousand.
01:21:34.000That's the only way I could describe it.
01:22:08.000So to have one of these highlighted and the other ones ignored literally brings up the larger question of what's
01:22:14.000really going on here with the spin the play the attention that all
01:22:17.000of this getting I think it's deliberate and I think there's a
01:22:19.000big big big agenda behind all of this.
01:22:22.000They don't they don't they don't want us to have guns man.
01:22:24.000You know, the most annoying thing to me is when I see these memes from establishment Democrat types saying, like, no one's trying to ban your guns, and I'm like, first of all, in West Virginia, for the most part, there's a lot of guns that are not banned, I'm allowed to have, but you can't bring them to Virginia, you can't bring them to Maryland, you can't bring them to New Jersey.
01:23:29.000No, no, the neo-socialist youth love guns until they gain power.
01:23:33.000But I want to encourage them, because they seem so afraid of firearms and so afraid of guns, whether it's a handgun or a rifle, shotgun, whatever, right?
01:24:13.000And I think a lot of people haven't experienced that so they think it's just like so it's like like the bat cave and there's all these guns come out and everyone's irresponsible and just want to kill people you know I would encourage people to check that out.
01:24:23.000You're right but I understand why they feel that way when you watch the prosecutor in a case involving possession of a gun Pointing the rifle at the jury with his finger on the trigger.
01:24:34.000The state prosecutor would be kicked out of a gun range if he did that.
01:24:49.000I want to shout out chat for saying little binger, by the way.
01:24:54.000If, if, if ADA binger, was outside in West Virginia and he was walking down the street and he went up to somebody in full view of a huge crowd of people and said, have you checked that?
01:25:46.000Man, he did exactly what Alec Baldwin did.
01:25:49.000He took a gun, he pulled it, it wasn't loaded, and he pointed it, and I don't know if he pulled the trigger, but he put his finger on it, which is essentially pulling it.
01:25:56.000I mean, it's not pulling it, but it is for safety purposes.
01:26:42.000And so first, whenever someone comes over, if we're ever going to do anything, I will always make sure someone handles the replica or effectively inactive, incapable of firing weapon to see how they behave first.
01:26:55.000You will never be allowed to touch anything I own.
01:26:58.000Unless you can display proper gun etiquette.
01:27:01.000And that being said too, for the most part in the studio, no one ever touches anything, any of my weapons.
01:27:04.000But when it comes to going to the range in West Virginia, where we're, you know, you can, you know, people can use weapons and we're out hunting and stuff like that.
01:27:12.000We always, I always am very, very careful.
01:27:35.000This is why I don't let people touch my actual weapons in a home setting.
01:27:39.000If we go to a range, and we're in a proper controlled environment, okay, Show me that you know how to do it, and we can, you can, here, use my weapon, there's the target, and stuff like that, but in my house, I am not gonna take that risk, because seven out of ten people, they have no idea.
01:27:55.000But when we get, like, military people, you know, they'll take the replica, they'll hold it up, they'll look at it, inspect it, and they'll be like, this is great, and they'll never point it, they'll keep it down, they'll keep it up, depending on what floor we're on, and I'm like, see, these guys know what they're doing.
01:28:07.000I'm not going to take the average person who has no idea what they're doing to a range where they're going to be like standing there with a gun and then turn around and be like, hey, the instructor is going to grab him and pin him to the ground.
01:28:17.000You get slapped for that, at least minimally.
01:28:20.000And I think this is why there's been such a coordinated attack against gun owners, because they're some of the most responsible human beings on the face of the earth, especially concealed carry members, permit members.
01:28:31.000If you look at the crime statistics of people who have those specific licenses, They are astronomically way lower than the general public.
01:28:38.000You look at the people that do commit the gun crime are the people who get guns illegally in major urban areas, predominantly.
01:28:52.000You better learn how to clean your firearm.
01:28:55.000This is life and death I think many people understand that and I think this is why there's been such an attack against this culture or even you know if you show photos of of Instagram on Instagram of you holding a firearm or Facebook automatically gets downranked automatically there's all big stigma against you, there shouldn't be.
01:29:13.000There should be, oh, this guy's a responsible human being.
01:29:16.000Just like you have a fire extinguisher in your house, you should have a firearm, uh, based on different scenarios and situations that you're in, especially if you're on a farm.
01:29:24.000So that's just basic common knowledge that should be, you know, more available to everyone, but the culture hasn't spread as far.
01:29:32.000It's sad that the majority of those responsible get punished for the minority that aren't.
01:29:37.000So I'm actually really optimistic about this particularly egregious display from ADA binger, because to me, this is such an obvious, clear indicator that the people who want to ban your right to bear any kind of weapons have no flaming clue what they're talking about.
01:30:03.000They're literally arguing it's wrong for people to point weapons at other people, and then he points the weapon at other people, like... With the finger on the trigger.
01:30:16.000Everyone agrees, like, that Alec Baldwin... Well, the funny thing is, with Alec Baldwin, the left is defending him, saying it's not his fault.
01:30:23.000And I'm like, but he was holding the weapon!
01:30:25.000He pulled the hammer back and pulled the trigger!
01:30:43.000When did you start your investigation?
01:30:45.000And you filed charges against Kyle Rittenhouse, the prosecutor did, before the investigation concluded.
01:30:52.000And they say, that's actually fairly normal, it's a known homicide, it's a high-profile case, and we know what happened that night, so we file the charges for the crime, and then we'll begin investigating and pulling the facts together.
01:31:06.000And I said, oh, it's not uncommon to do that.
01:31:08.000Oh, oh, because we know that an individual was involved in a homicide.
01:31:12.000Oh, so is Alec Baldwin going to get arrested anytime soon?
01:31:29.000I don't want to rehash the Alec Baldwin stuff completely, but I'll just point out they're very different cases.
01:31:33.000But if you believe, if we know for a fact someone pointed a gun and pulled the trigger and killed someone else, we can file charges before the investigation, then Alec Baldwin should have been charged, and should be awaiting trial the same as Rittenhouse did.
01:31:45.000It's a different case I know, it's different charges I know, I'm just saying.
01:31:48.000If we know he pulled the gun and pulled the trigger, Then why aren't they filing charges against him?
01:34:30.000If Binger wants to argue that the Zeminskis, who are cropped out of the image, had a gun pointed at them and it's blurry and grainy, then okay, Binger, we'll play it your way.
01:35:28.000But, during their rebuttal, in their last statement, the judge had to dismiss the jury because they were saying factually, as matters of law, inaccurate things.
01:35:37.000The most important of which is, the state controls the right to remain silent.
01:35:42.000If, because they're prosecuting Zeminsky, the defense cannot call him as a witness, because Zeminsky will say, I plead the fifth.
01:35:50.000The state can call him as a witness and grant him immunity, thus getting the testimony if it favors them.
01:35:56.000Which means, Zeminski's testimony likely did not favor the prosecution, because if it did, they would have granted him immunity to get Kyle convicted.
01:36:05.000The defense doesn't have the ability to do that.
01:36:07.000They lied and claimed what they can just plead the fifth.
01:36:10.000The defense said, I want a surrebuttal to tell the jury the state controls Zeminsky's right to remain silent.
01:36:25.000The state can grant immunity and get the testimony if it proved Rittenhouse guilty, and they didn't because it doesn't!
01:36:31.000I guess, well, you gotta remember that Kyle's innocent until he's proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and that's the weight on the prosecution.
01:36:38.000They have a big job if they want to try and prove that with blurry footage and weird testimony.
01:38:32.000But Drew, can I ask you, I don't know if we're going off on a tangent a little bit, looking at the jury, where do you think they're standing?
01:38:38.000What do you think their decision will be?
01:38:42.000I just will say that being in the room it was very tense and I know that having a direct conversation with him I could pretty much sense he was trying to stray away from my testimony so that they obviously couldn't hear it.
01:38:56.000I'm not accusing him of that it just seemed that way because every time he would Tell me something it was to divert from the actual testimony I was there to give and first he assassinated my credibility then my character and it led to him and I just kind of going back and forth where You know, I had to define the word apparently for him.
01:39:16.000He just that was crazy But that's what he was trying to do to me.
01:41:24.000I got to tell you, man, when, when the prosecutor said, Mr. Grosskreutz, at this point in your confrontation with Mr. Reynolds, you had drawn your gun and there's a video of it playing and Gage goes, no.
01:41:37.000And then he's like, here's the video we're playing right now, and you have a gun in your hand.
01:41:50.000If they want to get you for perjury because he thinks you're biased and lying, you need only go to the video and be like, hey, the video shows something different.
01:41:56.000I could have sat there and push play and just narrated it.
01:42:11.000Stunning and Brave says the McCloskeys went down for doing the same thing ADA Binger did.
01:42:17.000Let me remind you that the McCloskey wife said that the gun she had was checked and the firing pin was reversed and it was incapable of firing.
01:43:11.000There's a guy at a gun range with his buddy, and he's, like, aiming the weapon, and then he turns to his friend, and the instructor runs up, grabs him, and puts him in, like, an arm lock, and drops him, and then drags him out, and they're like, whoa.
01:43:23.000The guy's picking up the gun, and Will Smith looks at him and smacks the gun down.
01:43:27.000You don't see, like, if Will Smith is gonna smack a gun from like smack their hand down when they draw a gun nobody in the court could have seen binger do this and been like grab him and you know what i i'd imagine no bailiff no judge would would react negatively towards you i actually think they'd be like actually you're right he should have done that
01:43:49.000I don't care if someone says it's clear.
01:43:51.000Alec Baldwin was told his gun was clear, too.
01:44:13.000The reason why was because I was aware of that rule, that it can't be brought in, and I wasn't sure if I quoted my own tweet that that would somehow... Mistrial.
01:44:26.000I don't know, you know, so I just played it safe.
01:45:09.000Well, I, you know, it's hard to say what you were supposed to do, but I'll put it this
01:45:12.000I think the only thing that matters is that you just answered the questions as they were asked.
01:45:16.000You didn't... Outside of, like, when he said the things in Kenosha, and you said violent riots, you didn't say, and also, by the way, so-and-so did X. I actually think that was the right thing to do.
01:45:26.000You said that they didn't tell you what was off and on limits, but that you knew... Nobody coached me.
01:45:31.000You knew ahead of time that it was... you weren't supposed to talk about Rosenbaum's test?
01:45:47.000You know, look, when DeBruin said Rosenbaum yelled, I don't care if I go back to jail, they objected and the judge was like, The witness said he heard it.
01:45:57.000And so there's something, I'm not a lawyer again, but we've all heard opening the door.
01:46:01.000The prosecution made arguments about opening the door to evidence.
01:46:05.000I think he may have potentially opened the door to anything you've ever tweeted about.
01:46:09.000But the defense probably couldn't ask you about it.
01:46:11.000But I think maybe if you said it, then he'd be like, your honor, that's not supposed to come up, and he'd be like, you asked him about his social media posts.
01:46:29.000You know, you weren't injecting your bias.
01:46:32.000If you were biased the way they claimed, you probably would have been like, hey, did you guys know that this dude was, you know, committing atrocities against children?
01:46:38.000And that's the thing too, is towards the end of my testimony, you could clearly see that Binger was, and I know lawyers do this, they ask the same question 30 times, because they want to get an answer out of you that they didn't get the first 29 times, and hopefully maybe on the 30th time, you'll give them the answer that they wanted because you're getting annoyed, right?
01:46:57.000I saw him pull that on me, because at the end he was like, so you feared for your life because someone was pointing a gun at you with a laser.
01:47:04.000And I was like, I'm always fearing for my life in the midst of riots.
01:47:07.000You were fearing for your life, because I was like, sir, I didn't want to be misidentified as a rioter.
01:48:29.000So the judge is trying to just like really just make it less tense in the room.
01:48:34.000And it's just to me, this is why I hate the the corporate media when they do stuff, because they take something like that and they try and make it more divisive when it's someone actually just trying to bring peace to a situation.
01:49:11.000On the other side of the paper, I had another crude drawing where I said, ladies and gentlemen, this is a picture of ADA Binger pointing his rifle at... I didn't say the jury though.
01:49:27.000It was a squiggly, angry face, and then a stick figure pointing a weapon.
01:49:30.000And I said, I have a picture of A.D.A.
01:49:32.000Binger pointing a gun at Kyle Rittenhouse.
01:49:35.000And the joke was, when he claimed his CGI image was a picture of something, and it's just a rendering from a computer from a week ago or whatever, I'm like, okay, well, I've got a picture too.
01:49:46.000And then Ian's like, the picture's a drawing.
01:49:50.000You know what that really reminded me of?
01:49:53.000And I was looking at this after my testimony, so it's completely irrelevant, but you know those pictures where you show it to like five different people and they all see five different things, but it's like the same picture?
01:50:22.000It would be a great skit where there's like a doctor and he's like, tell me what do you see?
01:50:27.000And it's like, it's an inkblot, and it's like, I see a butterfly.
01:50:30.000And he goes to the next one, and it's like, a giraffe.
01:50:31.000And he goes to the next one, and it's the blown up image of Kyle Rittenhouse.
01:50:34.000I see Kyle Rittenhouse pointing a rifle, and it's like a binger.
01:50:38.000He's like, pointing a rifle at a bunch of protesters after switching his right-handed rifle to his left hand, putting the chamber near his face that would eject the casing into his face.
01:50:45.000It's like, interesting, and he's writing stuff down.
01:51:49.000I just think it's crazy how the media tries to spin it as, like, an active shooting situation.
01:51:54.000Because, for me, after Kyle, you know, came back around the car, he shot Rosenbaum, you know, comes around the car, he checks him, he pulls out his phone, and he's making a phone call.
01:52:04.000That's when you see in my footage, he jogs right past me.
01:52:08.000And an active shooter isn't just kind of like walking past people that are, you know, running towards one of the people that they just shot.
01:52:20.000Like, so even for me, I walk right past him and he just went right past me because he was already going to go turn himself into the police.
01:53:01.000Now, there are a lot of people who say, Assault Rifle doesn't exist, Select Fire Rifles are called Select Fire Rifles.
01:53:06.000If you pull up the colloquial breakdown, most people will define Assault Rifle as, I think it actually came from Nazi Germany, where the term comes from.
01:53:17.000It refers to Select Fire, so it's full-auto bursts and semi-automatic.
01:53:38.000It was back in the day, ArmaLite made a bunch of different kinds of weapons.
01:53:41.000Isn't there like an AR-12 and things like that?
01:53:43.000I'm not the biggest gun person, but I certainly never called an ArmaLite rifle an assault rifle.
01:53:48.000I've made references to legitimate assault rifles by saying, not a single person in Kenosha was armed with an assault rifle.
01:53:54.000Yeah, it was founded in the 50s, ArmaLite Inc., and then ended in the 80s.
01:54:00.000I am not the biggest gun expert in the world, but I've at least done the Google search.
01:54:04.000We live in this weird, what do you call it, simulacrum where I think if they did change the name of the weapons to like a ZR, like a 120 or something, they'd stop thinking they were assault rifles.
01:54:17.000When they're like, no one should have an AR-15, and it's just like, you know how many guns there are that aren't AR-15 or AR-15 style, that are semi-automatic rifles with magazines and function identical?
01:56:44.000Like, I guess, you know, I don't know if this is true, but my understanding is that they mass-produced in World War II really, really awful garbage tanks.
01:57:29.000So, in this video, at least one of them I watched, you can clearly see this blurry figure, but you can see the way he's moving when he runs, and you can tell he's facing forward.
01:57:38.000They then say, if he is facing forward, they draw an outline around how he's holding his weapon, and at no point did he ever point it at anybody.
01:57:45.000What they're trying to argue is that his arm being up when he was pointing the gun down, which is, you know, muzzle control, they were trying to argue that the gun going up, because it was a thin pixel line, was actually him left-handed like this.
01:57:59.000Pointing the weapon at other people instead of pointing it down.
01:58:07.000And I love it when the prosecution was like, here you are pointing your weapon at Gage Grosskreutz, whose hands are up.
01:58:15.000And then Kyle goes, This is actually just a freeze frame.
01:58:19.000If you play the video, I'm actually lowering my weapon.
01:58:22.000They pause the video while he's lowering his weapon and say, look, you're pointing it at him.
01:58:26.000And it's like, play the video and he's going like, he's pointing it down!
01:58:28.000I gotta say too, when they played the video in slow motion, after Rittenhouse, you know, is rolling on the ground in turns towards Gage Grosskreutz, I was surprised at the discipline.
01:58:42.000I'll say it always, like, I wish it didn't happen.
01:58:45.000I don't think Kyle should have been there for a variety of reasons.
01:58:47.000I know there's a lot of people who think he should have been there.
01:58:49.000I just... I don't think any of them should have been there, is the point.
01:59:29.000And the defense mentioned this, but should have drilled it home.
01:59:31.000After he fires on Grosskreutz and Grosskreutz runs away, multiple gunshots are fired and Rittenhouse calmly lowers his weapon, turns around and starts walking.
01:59:47.000He immediately goes back to getting to the police with his hands up.
01:59:52.000I don't know if he was actually there legally has been acknowledged he was concussed but it sounds like yeah took some head trauma on the run and then he passed out according to his testimony passed out on the way and that's when they hit him with the skateboard for the second time is it it's confirmed that it was the guy's right hand right arm right gross course had the pistol on his right arm yeah what what what we talked about on Friday but I think if you miss it you got to hear it the prosecution was like But Mr. Rittenhouse, Gage Grosskreutz had a gun.
02:00:19.000He could have shot you from 40 or 50 feet away.
02:00:31.000For those that don't understand handguns, like yourself, Mr. Binger, someone like Gage Grosskreutz, who probably doesn't have extensive firearms training, I can't make that assumption, but in the heat of the moment while running, the likelihood that somebody is going to actually make contact with a handgun is very, very low.
02:00:50.000So the fact is that because he was running at me with the weapon, I understand handguns have been to the range and know how they work.
02:00:56.000My assumption was he knew he couldn't make the shot unless he got point-blank.
02:01:00.000So as soon as he ran up to me, that was actually the bigger threat.
02:01:06.000When he was at 40 or 50 feet, you're right, he could've shot me.
02:01:09.000And the reason I didn't fire on him is because I knew he would've missed.
02:01:12.000But once he closed that distance and pointed the gun at my head from about 3 feet away, that's when he wasn't gonna miss and I had no choice but to fire to defend myself and stop that threat.
02:01:22.000Hindsight is 20-20, and it's really easy for me to be some, like, armchair spectator with popcorn going, like, I KNOW BETTER THAN THE LAWYERS!
02:01:31.000But I think that would've been a very powerful statement, like, you're right, he could've shot me from 40 feet away.
02:01:36.000But I didn't shoot him because I thought he would miss and he wasn't a threat until he closed that distance and I had no choice.
02:01:46.000people. Here we go. Home B says the Kenosha Police Department must suck if it takes a
02:01:49.00017 year old kid to go into a situation with an AR and a fanny pack and a med kit to stop
02:01:54.000fires and pretend to be an EMT. Why warn the police out there?
02:02:00.000Like, I know they were further away, and this is a tactic they use, but the police... Look, they're calling out the National Guard right now.
02:02:06.000Why didn't they do that on the night in question?
02:02:33.000They seem to be really not taking care of this the way that they should.
02:02:35.000Now, let us remind ourselves this was 2020 in the midst of the race riots where police officers and police departments were probably afraid to do anything, especially even Portland, That's a whole other story where Portland police had literally had their hands tied behind their backs they couldn't they have riot training and they weren't even allowed to do it because they uh the mayor wasn't allowing them because they didn't want to cause any more race riots even though they were just continuing so I don't I I'm not saying that's what happened in Kenosha but I this was kind of like the mentality in 2020 with police departments so
02:03:08.000It wasn't the mentality. There was police departments told to stand down.
02:04:07.000I think this was a guy who was chicken-winging the thing, and didn't know what he was doing, and had, you know, a scary Assault Rifle, quote Assault Rifle, again I'm being facetious here, in his hands and wanted to play up on the drama and emotions of it.
02:04:22.000We went to a range, this was a while ago, this was probably beginning of, this was probably almost last year, and I had an AK and I immediately picked it up and went like that with my elbow and Luke was like, get that chicken wing out of here!
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