In this episode of the Timestamps, we talk about Steven Crowder's latest video, the media landscape, and the upcoming Davos conference. Plus, a crazy story about a man who brought a fully automated machine gun to target Democrats.
00:01:31.000I'm a big fan of the dude with the big shield.
00:01:32.000I'm just mowing everybody down and I'm like, I feel good playing video games.
00:01:35.000Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, this is one of my favorite subjects in the world.
00:01:39.000Steven Crowder put out a video called, It's Time to Stop, where he calls out the big con in conservative media.
00:01:44.000And I commented on his video saying, Steven Crowder is right about everything.
00:01:48.000I want to provide context as to what I meant by that.
00:01:50.000Because he's right about everything in terms of how these companies function, how the contracts work, but I don't think the bigger picture, like, I don't think Steven Crowder commented on the bigger picture.
00:02:00.000That's why, you know, I'm not going to say he's wrong.
00:02:02.000But I think there's a lot to understand in how these contracts work and what the future has to hold.
00:02:06.000So this is going to be a whole lot of fun.
00:02:07.000I'm basically going to spill the beans on, like, basically everything to the extent that I can.
00:02:12.000I know the CEOs of all these companies.
00:02:14.000I've talked with all of them about more than these things.
00:02:17.000So I respect their privacy, I'm not going to reveal any confidential details that could harm anybody in any way, but I'll tell you about everything I can, personally, and how it's affected us, and Stephen Crowder calling out how this machine is working.
00:02:28.000For those that aren't familiar with the context, basically Crowder left The Blaze and has been working on his own thing, I suppose, and obviously it looks like he's been shopping around.
00:02:37.000He posted details of a contract he received, calling out what he calls the Big Con.
00:02:41.000So we're going to talk about the media landscape, how everybody's responding to it, but we've got a bunch of other news too.
00:02:46.000You know, we got Davos is happening, and a whole bunch of hookers are flying in.
00:02:50.000And so I just think that's a funny story to talk about because they want to ban hookers for you, but they get all the hookers in the world.
00:03:13.000Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member to support our work.
00:03:18.000Full disclosure, man, we exist because of memberships.
00:03:21.000Crowder brought this up in his video, he's completely right.
00:03:24.000I saw the writing on the wall, he saw the writing on the wall, and so this is why everybody's creating subscription services.
00:03:30.000Because for us to keep producing content, we rely on knowing how much money is coming in every month to pay salaries.
00:03:36.000And that means we're, I remember a couple years ago, I was like, okay, just doing ads on YouTube is extremely dangerous because ads stopped when COVID happened, like gone.
00:04:51.000Clint Russell, I'm the host of Liberty Lockdown, highly acclaimed, and the highly insane Tower Gang, with my brother Top Lobster, as well as Reed Coverdale, Toad, Fat Dave, named after Dave Smith, which I know everyone here is a fan of, and who did I miss?
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00:05:34.000So that's really what I'm focused on and thanks for having me here, guys.
00:07:04.000Our first story from our good friends over at Media Matters, who I thought, you know, it's the perfect website to use when talking about the big con and Steven Crowder.
00:07:15.000MediaMatters.org says, Steven Crowder lashes out at Big Con of conservative media for allegedly colluding with tech companies like YouTube.
00:07:23.000Quote, those in charge, the big conservative, the big con, and it really is the biggest con going right now.
00:07:30.000They're making it known in their contracts that they will enforce the guidelines of big tech and punish conservatives on their behalf.
00:07:37.000Steven Crowder, one of the most prominent, if not the most prominent, I guess, what would you describe this conservative media movement or anti-establishment movement?
00:07:47.000One of the most prominent voices, if not the most prominent, put out a video today just straight up calling out big conservative media.
00:07:56.000I commented on the video, I said he's right about everything.
00:07:58.000But I want to clarify what I mean by that, because maybe that's a little inappropriate.
00:08:07.000He's right about how this whole system works.
00:08:09.000But there's an understanding you need to have.
00:08:11.000The machine itself, these contracts, it's the product of How the law is structured, how the market is structured, and it's an inevitability.
00:08:22.000The only way it changes, when people like Steven Crowder don't sign these deals, people like any of you who are signing up, don't sign these deals, say no to these deals, and build a completely new system.
00:08:34.000And that means we've got big challenges.
00:08:36.000It means that Disney's got an advantage.
00:08:38.000You wanna know why Disney's got an advantage?
00:08:40.000Because when Steven Crowder, he leaves the blaze, He's obviously shopping around.
00:09:00.000It was a lot of cash, a lot of cash I didn't have, and I said, okay.
00:09:03.000And then, within the confines of that contract, I eventually was like, I know what I have to do, and I know what I'm not going to do, and you're not going to get me to do anything.
00:09:15.000It is extremely common in the media industry.
00:09:17.000I think Cenk Uygur talked about it when he was at MSNBC.
00:09:20.000Yep, same thing happened to Jesse Ventura when he was critical of the war in Iraq.
00:09:25.000They silenced him and essentially got rid of his show that they paid a lot of money for, and he essentially a year was just sitting and couldn't do any interviews or his own show, which is absolutely crazy.
00:09:36.000I'll start off by saying Stephen Crowder launching his own thing is the most important thing he can do.
00:09:44.000But that the current reality of big media, especially with an anti-establishment landscape, is that these deals are quite literally impossible.
00:09:55.000And more importantly, they're impossible for someone like Steven Crowder.
00:10:00.000So I'll say this to get started, and then y'all are going to have to ask me questions, I guess, on what you're thinking.
00:10:18.000So imagine you're, we got a handful of companies, obviously everybody's giving their thoughts on which company they think this was that offered him a contract, but there's a lot, right?
00:10:55.000Yeah, Alex Jones and Stephen Crowder did multiple interviews, and Alex Jones even said that he's moving away from his kind of libertarian policies and agreeing with Stephen when it comes to more kind of statist solutions.
00:13:35.000You can be really, really big, but it only goes so far.
00:13:37.000So let's say it's the bulk is memberships, 15 million per month, but you gotta pay for, what do they have, 300 employees?
00:13:44.000I don't know the numbers at Daily Wire very well.
00:13:46.000The top level talent has to be extraordinarily expensive.
00:13:48.000Jordan Peterson, I imagine, they had to pay him like 10 million bucks.
00:13:54.000In comparison to Steven Crowder, where is Jordan Peterson fall there?
00:13:58.000Jordan Peterson's a very different personality.
00:14:00.000Steven Crowder has guaranteed numbers.
00:14:02.000When you're trying to sign someone like Crowder, you're like, I can look at how many people comment, I can look at how many people view each of your videos, and not only that, If he's got membership-only content, he can provide those metrics as well.
00:14:15.000And then you can say, I know how much money I can make off this.
00:14:18.000But imagine you're... I don't even know how much money Fox makes.
00:14:23.000They have cable contracts, which guarantees them probably like...
00:14:26.000You know, hundreds of millions of dollars per year.
00:14:28.000Yeah, guaranteed, just for being on the cable networks, because the cable deals, people sign up for cable because they want Fox News.
00:15:21.000Blank will have the exclusive right to manage, curate, and monetize Crowder's official Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Snapchat, Rumble, and other social media accounts excluding Crowder's existing personal Twitter and Instagram accounts during the term.
00:15:31.000Additionally, Blank will have the perpetual and exclusive right to create, own, manage, curate, and monetize any and all social media accounts on any social media or similar platform as determined by Blank on the Crowder content or shows.
00:15:43.000All remuneration for the exploitation of these rights is included in the fee.
00:17:28.000In this video, from what I saw, I watched about 20 minutes of it, he was saying that basically we can do this on our own with Mug Club, I can open up my own thing if need be.
00:17:36.000But he didn't really go into specifics about how much he's making.
00:17:39.000So if he's going to open up his own thing, I'll tell you man, Crowder was six million subscribers when he did the coverage of the midterms and he had what like half a million live viewers.
00:17:51.000If I was going to just spitball a number that I think Crowder independent would make, it would be $10 million per month.
00:18:01.000The Daily Wire is basically Ben Shapiro.
00:18:03.000You've got Ben Shapiro and then you go down the roster.
00:18:07.000So it's like, Matt Walsh now may be their biggest moneymaker.
00:18:13.000Oh yeah, What Is A Woman was just massive.
00:18:15.000These are things they've stated publicly.
00:18:18.000They've talked about how they brought in like 300,000 new members off that alone.
00:18:21.000I think that's what they said, I don't know for sure, it's just what I heard.
00:18:24.000And I mean, you gotta think about that.
00:18:26.000300,000 new members on a documentary that probably cost a couple hundred grand to make, a couple hundred grand to market if you wanna do it big.
00:18:31.000They had a Times Square billboard, I think they had it running?
00:18:34.000Yeah, they knocked it out of the park with that.
00:18:36.000So imagine you got 13 bucks a month is the tier to watch video and you had 300,000 people.
00:18:42.000Let's say the average person stays on as a member.
00:18:45.000The churn rate for every company is different, but let's say it's a year.
00:18:49.000That's a lot of money to come in off one documentary.
00:18:52.000I need to ask you a question, because you've got a lot more experience with YouTube.
00:18:55.000By the way, Twice Struck, Liberty Lockdown, please forgive me.
00:19:19.000It's important that you guys are listening, the admins, because Clint is, you actually mentioned you might not even be putting videos on YouTube for like 90 days out of fear that you get a third strike for unknown reasons.
00:21:48.000I complain about it all day, all the bad things.
00:21:50.000So let me explain how this company works.
00:21:52.000We're very different from Big Con and a lot of these companies.
00:21:56.000I wish I was the kind of guy who could fire everybody, shut the whole company down, and then just take all of that money and put it in my pocket because it is almost entirely just me.
00:22:41.000And I say, this is awesome, I should totally do it.
00:22:43.000Sometimes I think back and I'm like, maybe I shouldn't have done it.
00:22:46.000Maybe I'd like to peer into the crystal ball and find that timeline where I said, Joe, with respect, love your work, not interested, have a nice day.
00:22:54.000Because I'd be sitting there minding my own business, with no headaches, with no employees, and I'd be making a ton of money.
00:23:00.000And then with that money, I could buy a bunch of gold bars, put those gold bars in my closet, and then a year later, I look in my closet, gold bars are sitting there.
00:23:07.000So here's the thing about these big media companies, and why they do these deals, and why they offer the contracts they do.
00:23:21.000It is difficult, but that's what has to be done, especially for someone as big as Crowder.
00:23:25.000I can certainly understand why there is someone thinking like, yeah, but if I get a job at the Daily Wire, I could be the next Michael Knowles.
00:24:10.000If I got rid of this show and just did my own personal YouTube channels, revenue probably wouldn't change that much, and I wouldn't have to worry about any of this.
00:24:16.000I could take that money that I make from you guys watching my content, I could then buy a gold bar for $2,000, put it in my closet, close the door, a year later when I come back, the gold bar is still there, that's my gold bar, I will always have it.
00:24:46.000We have like 35 employees plus contractors.
00:24:50.000I make a little bit of money off a bunch of our shows.
00:24:53.000I think Cast Castle may be our second, now second most successful show because we've got a bunch of people who sign up to become members specifically to watch the shenanigans of the house.
00:25:24.000How could I do a deal where I'm like, I will pay you more money or I will give you all of these things, like when a member signs up, you get a cut.
00:26:43.000What Crowder needs to do now is take those resources from those who care about him, those who respect his voice and believe in the movement, when they buy Mug Club and when they invest, he needs to then do exactly what he's saying.
00:26:55.000That's why I say he's completely right.
00:27:42.000Especially with the way inflation was going, what ends up happening is I'm sitting there and we have profit come in and I'm like, okay, I have this money that came in.
00:27:52.000We have to have a certain amount in our savings account to run the business, because when COVID happened, revenue dropped to, like, we basically were sitting on top of red, and that was a scary thing to see happen.
00:28:22.000Well, I really relate to your story and this is I think why I'm a fan of yours is because you don't need to be doing what you're doing in terms of fighting in the culture war and yet you're doing it.
00:28:32.000And this is actually one of my major disagreements with the old guard of the Libertarian Party is that they They really abdicated their duty in terms of engaging in the culture war at all.
00:28:41.000You know, they just said, let people do as they see fit.
00:28:45.000We just want the government out of it.
00:28:47.000And, and while obviously I agree with that sentiment, I think at the end of the day, the reason that Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh and these other people get to drag us through the mud and pretend as if we're, you know, degenerates and we have no, uh, moral fabric or, you know, culture to ourselves at all.
00:29:04.000Well, they should be doing that, but they're wrong, and I think it's because we didn't engage in that fight.
00:29:09.000So I love that you were talking on the show last night about creating the coffee shops or the skate shops and having our crew of media that's playing as opposed to having CNN playing in the gym and things like that.
00:29:23.000I think it's so important that you're doing that.
00:29:25.000And the other reason I relate to your story is because I ran a private mortgage company, and I was making a half a million dollars a year, and I had no employees, and I was just raking.
00:29:34.000And I did that for 10 years, and then the lockdowns happened, and I was like, oh, I've been ignoring the insanity of our world for too long.
00:30:36.000I mean, I think that you guys are completely over the target.
00:30:42.000You have pinpointed an issue in this society, a linchpin that is, well, I mean, it's holding them together, but you guys are right over it.
00:30:50.000And when the left sees that, or whoever it may be, when they see that, they kind of start to get frazzled.
00:30:56.000And they said it out loud, which to me was kind of amazing, but I've heard it before multiple times where you're calling someone out for what they're doing.
00:31:04.000Does anyone ever talk about the healthcare policies of Iran?
00:31:40.000They're like, I don't understand why culture matters.
00:31:43.000I'm concerned about someone getting healthcare or a job.
00:31:46.000And I'm like, that's downstream from where we're at.
00:31:49.000I agree with you, but when the cultural apparatus is completely on that side there, every time I open my eyes, if I turn on my phone or the TV, it's something from a left-leaning cultural establishment.
00:32:01.000It's kind of hard for me to separate these two things.
00:32:14.000And the people that actually have financial capital or success or brand recognition or name recognition that exists in our space, as far as I'm concerned, maybe it's altruistic, maybe it's too haughty and lofty, but I think that we have a duty to engage in their arena, the one that they don't want us to be engaging in.
00:32:31.000Yeah, one of the issues up to this point that Libertarian has had, I think, is that it's very live and let live, like you do you according to politics, like your politics, but then they also said that about culture, like whatever, but the reality is we are embedded in each other's realities, like culturally, regardless of our politics.
00:32:48.000I'm so down with letting you do your own politics over there, but if it's altering the way my kids view their gender or changing the way my kids think, I'm involved no matter what my This is why I have such a harsh disagreement with the reasons and the Cato Institutes of the world that that frame us as being basically we are not allowed we're not permitted by their establishment Libertarian Inc banner to engage in this discussion whatsoever.
00:33:15.000They don't want us to comment on You know, ESG and CRT and any of the things that are going into our culture, which is like gutting our civilization.
00:33:43.000And this is a really good example of one of the biggest problems that we have in the culture war.
00:33:49.000We got Blunt News who says, Tim telling all his employees he doesn't need them, right to their face in front of the world, you're welcome to the five dollars, it's the last.
00:33:56.000Another guy says, Tim, you need to slice a humble pie.
00:35:25.000When you guys become members of TimCast.com, when you guys super chat, I'm basically saying, who else can I empower to try and change the world?
00:35:34.000And I think about it and I'm like, man, like some of the stuff that's been produced by like, you know, shout out to Shane Cashman, the News Team, Pop Culture Crisis.
00:35:41.000I'm like, this stuff is gonna last forever.
00:35:43.000And it is infinitely more valuable than any material object.
00:35:51.000And I gotta give a shout out to Shane.
00:35:53.000Because I think him profiling the Carey Lake trial is a piece of history that needed to exist, and I am eternally grateful that you guys watching made that possible.
00:36:03.000He's one of the best writers I have ever seen.
00:36:05.000I just want to talk about the Crowder situation here a little bit, because I think Crowder was kind of insulated away from the business aspect of what's really going on in this media sphere for a very long time when he was working at The Blaze.
00:36:17.000And when he's given these contracts, a lot of the times, a lot of these businesses usually do very high asks in the beginning.
00:36:24.000You get a lawyer, you negotiate it down.
00:36:27.000There's a long process here where you got to go back and forth.
00:36:30.000And there are a lot of competitive, very cutthroat individuals in this game that we do have to address that do care about themselves rather than the overall message.
00:36:37.000So when Crowder says that, I agree with him.
00:36:39.000And it's because of these contracts, because of a lot of these cutthroat Uh, individuals why I personally have been independent my entire career.
00:36:47.000I'm very happy that I've been independent.
00:36:48.000I'm very happy that I'm able to do what I want.
00:36:50.000And if I could talk to Crowder, if he's listening, I would say, Hey, your freedom is a lot more valuable than being under any kind of contract or, or, you know, mandatory thing that you have to do.
00:37:00.000For this show, I volunteer here because I like to do this.
00:37:04.000But at the same time, I don't want any kind of responsibilities.
00:37:19.000And independent media is supposed to be independent, and I think he has a pathway right now to do a lot of good.
00:37:24.000I disagree with some of his larger political ideas, but I think what he's dealing with right now is just the reality of the current situation that he's speaking about.
00:37:33.000So I'm kind of happy that he is speaking up against this and bringing attention to it.
00:37:38.000Luke and I had a conversation a while back about him being a recurring guest or co-host, and ultimately it was like a work exchange doesn't make sense between both of our different companies.
00:37:52.000And so Luke's like, well, I like coming on the show.
00:37:54.000And then Luke finds his own way to monetize.
00:38:14.000I give you like at least two weeks and I give you the kind of stat.
00:38:16.000I'm like, hey, I'm going to be coming here for a few months, then leaving.
00:38:18.000But we've talked about like Luke being on permanently, but Luke runs his own company.
00:38:22.000Luke travels, so... And to be honest with you, it's going to be very difficult to, you know, pay me, because, like, I value my time a lot, right?
00:38:31.000And it's going to be a lot of money to be able to have me not do what I want to do.
00:38:36.000This is a really good point, actually.
00:38:37.000Luke, you have your own t-shirt company, you have your own show, you have your own website, you have your own business entities.
00:38:43.000How could I do a contract deal with Luke?
00:38:46.000Because, like, the thing you gotta understand about employment, when you're an employer, In the space, you work, you own what is produced by the employee.
00:38:56.000So, like, if you get hired by a music production studio to make music, guess what?
00:39:02.000If they hire you and say, we're hiring you to write songs, you're not going to go write a song and then be like, oh, but this one's mine, I wrote it later.
00:39:07.000It's like, no, we hired you to write music, you don't keep it.
00:39:17.000I think the nature of the problem really is that many of these creatives, or these creators, they have an audience, but they're not business people.
00:39:26.000And I think that's what differentiates some of you guys in this room, actually all of us in this room, is that we have a real entrepreneurial bent that allows us to create that revenue stream that allows us to continue to speak the truth and not be beholden to anybody.
00:39:40.000Well, I didn't really have this kind of entrepreneurial bent or understanding of business either.
00:39:49.000But it's kind of amazing to rise to this level of, like, of notoriety and still, like, especially in speaking in the political realm, still not understand the economics behind it.
00:40:13.000Yeah, but the contracts, the whole, like, we own your persona, you're in perpetuity forever, henceforth, we own the right to the Stephen Crowder character, they'll be deep faking him and making him say stuff after he's dead, like, you cannot, these are old contracts from 1990s that they're still trying to pigeonhole into modern era what they should be doing assigning tech contracts.
00:40:39.000That D20 with only 20s, that's, you're absolutely right.
00:40:42.000Well, what they should be doing is signing tech contracts with Crowder so that they do all his back-end stuff.
00:40:47.000He can keep doing exactly what he likes to do, and they're taking a piece off the top 5%, 8%, 10% after cost, 3% after cost.
00:40:55.000Not trying to hit a goldmine with the next big up-and-coming, because it used to be that people didn't control their own proliferation of art.
00:41:02.000You had to go to the network, then they would proliferate it for you.
00:41:10.000I think part of the reason that not just the culture but the economy has also been taken over and dominated by the left is that we've really lost the competitive edge that I think many in the conservative libertarian sphere once had, where it was like, we're gonna find a way to compete with you.
00:41:25.000Scumbags like we're going to find a way and and I wish that instead of Looking at these contracts and Crowder kind of framing it as him being a victim of it He were to say I'm going to I'm going to replace you you offer me these terrible deals because if it's if you can do that Then do it.
00:41:41.000Yeah, you don't need to complain if someone sent me this contract.
00:42:36.000I think, you know, he's been working with The Blaze for so long, he's not been in this space.
00:42:42.000It's kind of like, you know, when you're in a relationship for a decade and then you break up or divorce or whatever and you're going back in the dating pool and you're like, whoa, this is crazy.
00:46:15.000And then for them, they don't lose any money.
00:46:17.000They were like, but what it does for me is contractually guaranteed me the ability to travel, do whatever I wanted to do without impedance, because I had my own budget.
00:46:26.000I had a very similar story, by the way, and I don't want to mention names here, but it's someone prominent that I previously looked up to, and I was like, I really want to work for these guys.
00:46:53.000I went down there, signed the contract, met the CEO.
00:46:56.000We signed it together, had a dinner, shook hands.
00:46:59.000And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to have a job.
00:47:01.000I packed up my car, was ready to move.
00:47:03.000This was at the peak of my career during Occupy Wall Street, and I remember just getting the best coverage, and this contract said you can't monetize your own stuff, you can't do everything, and I was getting record views, the most views on my YouTube than ever, doing live streams, interviewing Lupe Fiasco, all these celebrities, and then they stopped taking my phone call, and then they stopped answering my text messages, and then they stopped answering emails, and I contacted one person, a second person, a third person, and they all started ignoring me, and I'm like, what the hell's going on here?
00:47:32.000And then a couple weeks later, like, oh yeah, sorry, we don't have enough money, which was a lie.
00:47:58.000And looking back at it, I am so happy I didn't work for that company, because that company had its own legal problems, and more importantly, I have my own thing that I built myself, that I'm super proud of more than ever, and no one could take that away from me.
00:48:12.000I want to address some of the super chats.
00:48:56.000I think that if I sign you and manage the ads on your show, I'll take your workload down by 25% but increase your revenue growth 40% year over year because we have a big network of ads.
00:49:37.000So that way, or it's probably gonna be like 20, because we're doing a guarantee.
00:49:40.000I'm giving you a growth guarantee, but I'm so confident I can make more money, that after we do this guarantee, I know I'm gonna make that five million, I'm gonna make five million this year off your show, so I'm getting that money back, you're getting guaranteed growth, I'm doing the work to grow it, and then after that growth, you still keep 80% of it.
00:49:57.000But here's the thing, what if I do this contract with you, and then you go and start ranting about a cabal of people with tiny hats?
00:50:05.000And then all of a sudden you get banned from every platform.
00:50:07.000And then I'm like, my guy, I can't pay you money.
00:50:58.000It might be his contract renewal, for all we know.
00:51:00.000And a lot of people, I know everybody's saying they think it's The Daily Wire, but there are a lot of companies in this space, and this could be him re-upping his contract and then getting angry, and that's why he left.
00:51:25.000That means we're going to risk $3 million of our money that we don't know if we'll get back.
00:51:30.000That also means if you're willing to accept $3 million more per year that you normally don't get, You have to be responsible in terms of how these platforms operate.
00:51:40.000That means if Facebook gives you a strike, if YouTube gives you a strike, and you can't make that money, here's what we're going to do.
00:51:46.000We're going to give you a flat percentage docking on our guarantee.
00:51:49.000Now, a lot of people think that's a bad thing, but think about this.
00:51:52.000If you get a strike on, and I do think the contract is bad, by the way, but I'll explain.
00:51:59.000If you get a strike on YouTube, you guys got a strike, you got two strikes.
00:52:14.000Somebody says, I'll do a deal with you where I'll guarantee you money, but if you get knocked out for three months, we're not going to pay you that money.
00:52:51.000No, it's actually, one strike I think is only one week, and then it's two weeks, and then it's permanent, but it's still, you have to, you reconfigure the entire nature of the show after you receive those strikes, because you have to like, completely reformulate your brain to try and stay safe.
00:53:05.000But the reason that I framed it as Crowder kind of behaving in a victim mentality, and if he's doing it just to look out for young creators that he doesn't want them to go down this path, God bless.
00:53:15.000It seemed as if he was putting himself a little bit more in that position.
00:53:19.000And the reason I bring it up is because when I worked for someone else, I never made more than six figures except for one year in my life.
00:53:25.000And as soon as I started working for myself for a decade, I made three, four, $500,000.
00:53:30.000You don't get paid as much as you're worth unless you're willing to take the risk of working for yourself.
00:53:38.000And so many young people, and I'm not saying Crowder's in this camp, but so many people, they don't want to take that risk anymore.
00:53:43.000They don't want to have all of the pressure, but they still want that golden parachute of working for some corporation that's going to make their life really smooth and easy.
00:53:52.000You have to take these risks if you want to get those outsized returns.
00:53:55.000So if Crowder is making crazy money already, I understand why he would crap on this contract, as you've said, but at the same time, you know, go do it on your own.
00:54:04.000Take a dump on it, I specifically said, just to clarify.
00:54:06.000And I was in a very similar position as an independent journalist.
00:54:53.000And if there's medical bills that I'm going to have in the future, I'm on those on myself and no one else is.
00:54:57.000I think this is why I got so angry that I couldn't record today.
00:55:01.000Like, this morning, I'm sitting here angry.
00:55:03.000I took ibuprofen because ibuprofen reduces swelling and allows you to talk.
00:55:06.000That's the only reason I was able to record yesterday, but you can only take so much because it stops the mucus production in your stomach and then you get ulcers.
00:55:12.000So I'm like, if I don't work, employees don't get paid.
00:55:16.000Well, now with the direct subscriptions monthly, you can take days off.
00:56:18.000Yeah, Labonte, Josie, The Red-Headed Libertarian, I know she does some outside media work for you guys too, and it's like, these are all things that if you don't continue to grind, you don't get to grow and assist these people and allow them to have a platform.
00:56:31.000Like, the fact that you bring on smaller shows like ours, Tower Gang or Liberty Lockdown or whoever else, and you do it every day. It's such a huge benefit to our
00:56:41.000movement. And I know we all have our own little niches and things like that. I'm more
00:57:28.000And at the end of the day, I had an enormous amount of liability that was laying out there in my loan book that I could have been dragged through court for the rest of my life.
00:57:36.000And people don't ever look at that side of things.
00:57:39.000They just go like, well, you You made a lot of money, so you owe civilization, and you're a bad guy.
00:58:21.000They're managing a business Yeah, well in today's day and age that person's the employee not the boss So right now what happens is someone who should be an employee is offering a contract to Steven Crowder.
00:58:39.000Now, that being said, there are going to be a lot of people who do not have what it takes to run a business.
00:58:45.000Because this is what I was trying to get to.
00:58:46.000When I was mentioning earlier about how it would be so much easier just to get rid of everything and just do my own YouTube channels, it is extremely hard to run and manage and maintain all this stuff.
00:58:59.000And the value in it is I don't want to leave this world with a bunch of crackpot psychotic cultists of a non-theistic religion controlling things.
00:59:08.000And it all started for me because I'm like, I really hate liars.
00:59:12.000When I was starting this, I was like, I want to travel and tell people what I'm seeing, do new stuff.
00:59:17.000And then all of a sudden they lied about everything I did, Sweden.
00:59:19.000And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to call you out for lying.
00:59:21.000And then that's like a big component of it.
01:00:00.000I was just going to say also that They own so much IP that the average person will just pay the 10 bucks because they're like, I can watch Flubber.
01:00:08.000Yeah, well, and I think that the audience is not going to like this, but at the end of the day, we do need to, as consumers of this media, the people that want to see something different in the world that isn't, you know, perverted and messing up our children.
01:00:23.000You need to put your money where your mouth is.
01:00:25.000You can't just continue to consume free content.
01:00:31.000LibertyLockdown.Locals.com as well for people that want to support the show so that I can actually tell the truth.
01:00:36.000If I can get enough people that are doing that, then I don't have to worry about deplatforming and things like that.
01:00:42.000But the ESG factor in this is such a big deal.
01:00:46.000It drives me crazy because ultimately it's becoming a partisan issue where you have red state governors that are really engaging in this, and God bless them, we need it.
01:00:54.000But at the same time, I wish it weren't partisan in nature.
01:00:56.000I wish we understood that having a monolithic, globalist perspective on how to utilize and manipulate capital markets to try and reimagine the world in your image, well, you're not always going to be in charge.
01:01:10.000Just the same concept of like, do you want Donald Trump to have these powers?
01:02:08.000I'm not at all wanting them to be threatened or injured at all, but there's a reason that people are so concerned about your You're trying to manipulate and coerce the entire world—we're talking 8 billion people—that you want all to live in this particular worldview, where carbon emissions are such a danger, where the thing that I exhale makes me a danger to every man, woman, and child on earth.
01:02:33.000It's a very anti-human perspective, and ultimately it's anti-capitalist.
01:02:37.000This is one other talking point that I have to get across, is that This is not capitalism that we're dealing with.
01:02:42.000And when people talk about it as if it is, it drives me absolutely insane.
01:03:33.000It's harder, and that means we need all of these companies that are in the independent and anti-establishment space to be operating on the exact same capacity.
01:04:17.000The other shows make money, but Tim Cass makes the overwhelming majority of it, and then that money is the resource that we use to have people make cool and good and positive things.
01:04:30.000I was just gonna comment on like how absurd it is when you really think about, like this whole thing is over fake money and the message that it's, the division that it'll cause in the conservative movement, which I'm not a conservative so whatever, but it's just interesting to see them kind of squabble over this and it's all just fake money in the end of the day.
01:04:48.000Yeah, the Federal Reserve prints it out of thin air.
01:04:51.000It's going to be worthless anyway soon.
01:04:53.000Crowder, you don't need to worry about this.
01:05:36.000It's so stacked against you, especially if you're a young college graduate, and you're coming out and you're like, you understand ESG, which obviously makes you a very rare 23-year-old or whatever, but say you do understand it.
01:05:48.000You know what an uphill slog that's going to be.
01:05:50.000You're going to try and compete head-to-head with the biggest businesses that have ever existed in human history, and at the end of the day, they have a A sweetheart deal with all of the biggest governments on earth?
01:06:02.000Oh, on top of that, they have a sweetheart deal with the central banks of the world?
01:06:06.000Where they can just buy fiat, create debt and credit?
01:06:24.000One thing you mentioned earlier, Tim, is that, wondering, like, is everyone cut out to run a company, or a business, or something like that along those lines?
01:07:27.000No, I would do like, we would set up hosting or navigate to some sort of hosting like on Rumble, build like a front end and make sure that if there's bugs that we have developers that are fixing the bugs on the fly 24-7.
01:07:42.000And so we would technically help you host your own content and provide your subscribers a direct revenue to you.
01:07:51.000And then we could technically take money off the top if we wanted to.
01:07:55.000I'm building a charity right now that's building this software, so ultimately it'll be free for everyone to use and I'm not taking anything for it.
01:08:00.000All of these companies call me non-stop, like whenever there's drama.
01:08:40.000And I think one of the things these companies don't get is where we are in the modern landscape.
01:08:46.000I think they're hoping I think they're hoping that someone like me is a guy who just wants to sit in the room and go on camera and then go play ball with his kid or future kid or something like that or dog or whatever.
01:08:58.000That's what they're trying to sell you on.
01:09:22.000Six months in, I'm going to come to you and say, problem X is solved by Y. And you're going to say, OK, well, I don't have time to deal with this, so I'm going to take care of it.
01:09:28.000And I say, no, it's a problem in my life that needs to be solved now for the show.
01:09:32.000And if I don't have the authority to do it, then I'm going to be in a very bad mood.
01:09:35.000And then you're not going to be able to.
01:09:37.000So there's no point in doing these contracts.
01:09:39.000That and, yeah, I think these companies, they're archaic.
01:09:44.000They can sit down and explain to you exactly why.
01:09:47.000Like I mentioned, like why they do the penalty deal with Crowder's contract and then Crowder's appropriate responses.
01:09:54.000It wasn't insane 30 years ago, but it is now when Crowder is the captain of the ship and he should be the one running it and they should be working for him.
01:10:01.000Let me add one thing because I probably black pulled a lot of people by it.
01:10:06.000Demonstrating how challenging it is going to be to compete and succeed in this space.
01:10:09.000However, because of the monopolistic power, or at least oligopolistic power that these operators have, they don't face a lot of real competition.
01:10:20.000So when there is genuine competition, and also they're very bureaucratic, they're very slow moving, they become very comfortable, overly confident, that is all areas of opportunity for Entrepreneurs to try and rise up.
01:10:34.000There's enormous market demand for honest dialogue Your success has been very clearly proof of that So there is market demand, but there is also captured markets that make it very challenging to enter and compete in that space But it doesn't mean that we can't create competing avenues and platforms I don't I pray to God that rumble because it does seem to be like they're they're the real deal so far I pray to God that them locals These competitions actually rise up and they create an opportunity for that market demand to be met, because there is a demand, and entrepreneurs should realize that.
01:11:08.000I've had private conversations with several big YouTube channels.
01:11:11.000Many of these big channels have contacted me and said, look, these contracts are really bad.
01:11:25.000So here's an idea that's been floated around by a bunch of people you know and love behind the scenes, so I'll leave nameless because it's their business, but I'll tell you about my experience.
01:11:33.000I get phone calls, we do group calls, and they're like, we need to compete, we need to change the game, how can we do it?
01:13:18.000I don't know, because if I was signing up, say it's you and Steve Crowder are splitting it, I sign up and I have to pick you or Steve in order to sign up, so you have that data, and then if there's a smart contract behind the scenes where, this is futuristic, but if the money is split automatically, 72% to you, 28% to Steven, based on the subscriber data, that might work.
01:14:32.000It does sound like an optimal situation for a smart contract system to be developed where you could automate the payments based on the math behind the scenes.
01:14:40.000Everything's on a blockchain or open source, so if you have questions, you just take it up with the math.
01:14:44.000That'd have to be a really smart contract.
01:15:25.000And that, so almost all of it's programmatic.
01:15:28.000Why would I Create any kind of mud in this company's revenue stream by doing a partnership deal in the hopes that I can increase revenue by a certain percentage by teaming up with someone like Steven Crowder.
01:15:42.000I think you'd only be able to bring in someone of comparable clout.
01:15:47.000I hate to use that term, but you know, someone lesser.
01:15:52.000I mean, we're looking at two people who have comparable amounts of revenue who are now going to argue about the gains and which direction it goes.
01:15:58.000But I mean, there is there is strength in in networking.
01:16:02.000I just think you're right, though, that obviously a formal network creates infighting and jealousy and competition, especially if you have two alphas that are like on the on the rise anyway and waiting for their money.
01:16:13.000This system only makes sense to the businessman whose sole job is to maintain it.
01:16:19.000For Stephen Crowder and for me, there is zero reason for either of us to do a network deal.
01:16:26.000Because at the end of the day, Stephen can pick up his phone and talk to his phone with no crew, with no employees, and he makes money.
01:16:34.000Same thing for me, because we are the people creating the content.
01:16:38.000So the people you'll hear advocate for these deals are the people who do nothing but these deals.
01:17:21.000And I think, you know, it's good that this discussion is out there right now because people need to start to open up their mind to what's actually going on here.
01:17:29.000Like you said, we need to support these creators.
01:17:39.000The devastating part about it is, like, even though I have a pretty passionate fan base, I get nuked from YouTube for a couple weeks, I start a Rumble channel up, you still see, like, even though I have one-tenth the subscribership over on Rumble, my viewership is only cut in half.
01:17:54.000So, like, a lot of my people are still rocking with me, even though, you know, subscriber limit is way reduced.
01:18:00.000But it's just, it's interesting how Platform-captured people are.
01:19:36.000On YouTube, if you're getting 300,000, you're getting 300,000 views will get you $1,000.
01:19:38.000So you'll make $300,000 per year on YouTube with the same amount of traffic.
01:19:45.000Depending on your channel, too, because my channel, compared to other channels, is getting 30 times less than what channels are supposed to be getting.
01:20:21.000Even though there's not a big difference between the two content, YouTube still deems like, hey, this is not good, this is good, this is what we like.
01:20:27.000After we just got done bad-mouthing networks and saying how unfeasible all of this is for the past hour and a half, I gotta say that Our boys, Dave Smith and Luis J. Gomez, Gas Digital.
01:20:39.000They have signed Tower Gang to Gas Digital.
01:20:56.000GasDigital is basically largely a comedy platform, and Tower Gang being our more comedy, deranged, lunatic outlet, we knew we weren't long for YouTube, so we had to find a platform that would take care of us in terms of just allowing us to, you know, say insane humor wherever it leads us, and GasDigital is uncensored.
01:21:16.000So, you know, thinking about The Daily Wire, for instance, because they've signed a whole bunch of people, you know, they keep adding new, new talent.
01:21:24.000My view when I look at this stuff is like, maybe it's just me, I personally cannot relate to the desire wholly to sign a deal with another company and have them take everything over.
01:21:36.000To be fair, I completely understand the thought of like, man, imagine if you could make some amount of money, and then you didn't have to think about any of the business end stuff, and you can just do your show and then mind your own business.
01:21:58.000Especially if you're starting out early on, you're trying to make ends meet.
01:22:02.000So if you have a network that comes to you and they say, I see talent here, I'm going to guarantee you a living wage, as Bernie Sanders might say.
01:22:11.000You know, what's really funny is that seeing this story from Crowder, this is the identical story to the record label stories 20, 30 years ago.
01:23:25.000But at the end of the day, you're absolutely right.
01:23:27.000If you can, if you have the willpower and the work ethic, it will benefit and behoove you to go that route.
01:23:33.000I'll tell you exactly why Tim Cass is independent.
01:23:36.000Because like I said, we've talked with The Blaze, we've talked with Rumble, we've talked with The Daily Wire, we've talked with a bunch of companies, and I'm friends with all of them.
01:23:44.000Don't agree with me on everything, of course.
01:26:23.000And it's also, I think there's a couple of reasons, you know, Matt Gaetz asked us on Friday, how come we're still here?
01:26:28.000And I'm like, you know, I got a variety of reasons.
01:26:30.000One of them is I think YouTube, for one, they're probably watching.
01:26:33.000I know a bunch of the employees watch all the time.
01:26:35.000We consistently have the most viewed live show for the night in this time slot and in general.
01:26:41.000But they also, I think, know that my communications with them have set legal groundwork not too dissimilar to Alex Berenson, where if I reach out and say, Alex Jones is coming on the show.
01:28:49.000I think those term changes should have to go to Congress.
01:28:52.000Any big social media network that wants to change the terms of service should send that to Congress.
01:28:56.000There should be a bill or something on the floor where they have to at least acknowledge it and read it.
01:29:00.000This is a good point because we didn't, did we used to have, I guess, I don't know, I'm assuming no, did we used to have mass contracts like this?
01:29:06.000Like imagine it's 1950 and a company says everybody, you know, oh you want to come into my building?
01:29:11.000Everybody sign this contract giving me the rights over your likeness and distribution.
01:29:16.000I'm sure there were like there's waivers for admittance into buildings and stuff that have existed, but we're talking now in the scale of 300 million a billion people who've mass signed a contract.
01:29:25.000What happens when Facebook says we've updated our terms?
01:29:28.000How is sending me an email that goes to spam due notification?
01:29:39.000So that's something that does need to get dealt with.
01:29:42.000And them changing it halfway when you're invested in the company, when you put your entire life, your entire livelihood on a business model, and they just come along and say, now we're going to change the business model retroactively for no reason, because we want to.
01:29:57.000They should send you the full terms when they make changes.
01:29:59.000Every change should be highlighted and then on the right side of the page you see all of the granular changes listed, one after the other, and then you click it and it links you right to the spot in the terms where it happened.
01:30:10.000But the other thing that really bothers me about this is that, yes, the terms of service is a constantly moving window, but also I mean, first off, you can cap that at, like, say, 400 words or something so that people could actually read it.
01:30:23.000But the thing that really concerns me most about this misinformation-disinformation clause that they include in there is that, ultimately, many—like, I've had Dr. Joseph Latipo, the Surgeon General of Florida.
01:30:35.000I've had on all of these people who have been either deplatform-censored, had smack-talked about them.
01:30:41.000Everywhere over the past three years, much of the information that they were trying to convey, in hindsight, turns out to be pretty darn accurate.
01:30:48.000But in that period, if you were to have some of those people on your YouTube channel, you would have been struck.
01:31:10.000You know what I think happened with Sam Harris is that he was so scared to be outside of the liberal mainstream line, and with the intellectual dark web stuff, and when he was with Bill Maher talking about Islam, it was still within the liberal tribe to say the things he was saying, but he was edgy.
01:31:28.000Then when it came to the lockdowns and the mandates and all that stuff, you could not deviate.
01:32:08.000You guys have lived in your own delusions while also simultaneously classifying me as some vector for, you know, death, and a misinformation agent, and all these other things.
01:32:29.000As opposed to Sam Harris, which, by the way, I have an episode coming out tonight, right after this ends, called Sam Harris Has Lost His Mind, because he has.
01:32:37.000If he can't deal with the fact that he was so catastrophically wrong on something—and he's a person that values his rationality at the highest level.
01:32:46.000This is why he thinks of religious people as being such rubes, right?
01:32:50.000Because he's so rational and God is not a rational thing because it requires faith.
01:32:55.000But he is so deeply irrational, and he is so clearly following down a religious line of thinking when it comes to the COVID hysteria, and he can't come to terms with it.
01:33:05.000Do you think we should be carving out a path of redemption for someone like Sam Harrison?
01:33:11.000I didn't go as far as to say—and this is, I guess, cold-hearted—but even like Jordan Peterson, like you said, I feel like these people have been very important, especially in the lives of young men, and they've kind of led them down a path, like Jordan Peterson with the vaccines and some of the other things he said.
01:33:27.000And I'm just kind of like, I'm not ready to discard you, but I've been ignoring you for a while.
01:33:33.000I just don't know what to do with some of these people.
01:33:35.000There's got to be a path to redemption.
01:33:37.000Otherwise, people will just go the other direction.
01:33:39.000If you don't say, come to me, they'll walk away from you.
01:34:24.000Not that there shouldn't be a path for redemption, but obviously we're like, okay, you kind of messed up here, Jordan, which I named my whole brand after you because I looked up to the guy.
01:35:06.000We want as many people to... Let's say you've got ten people over here saying, you know, buck, and you've got ten people over here saying bark.
01:35:15.000You want as many people as possible saying bark.
01:35:17.000I don't care if it said buck ten minutes ago.
01:35:20.000Come over here and, you know, say the thing that works for us.
01:35:23.000But we do have to go to Super Chats because I don't want to go too long.
01:35:26.000But I'm just saying, like, You have to.
01:35:28.000Even if it pains you, it's how you win.
01:35:31.000I believe there's always a path to redemption, but do they want it?
01:35:35.000And I think Jordan Peterson probably does.
01:35:38.000We're going to Superchats, but I want to add one thing, and I'll tell you what we're doing.
01:35:44.000Look, we've got a bunch of shows we're making, and they make some money, and we want them to be successful on their own, and we want to cultivate talent and personalities, because the idea ultimately is, it's a very simple mathematic formula.
01:35:55.000Why do I want to build everything in West Virginia?
01:35:57.000Because there's good people in West Virginia's MAGA country.
01:36:00.000If these people in West Virginia who live in MAGA country, who believe in individual liberty, freedom, and fly the Gadsden flag, had access to more money, they would invest in more products.
01:36:08.000They would invest in businesses that support their values.
01:36:11.000They would build businesses that support these values.
01:36:13.000So when you guys give money to Timcast, and we open a coffee shop in West Virginia, and we hire people in West Virginia, and we build industry in West Virginia, it is MAGA country that sees their revenues increasing.
01:36:23.000And if I get one dollar, And I hand that dollar to Jim Bob.
01:36:53.000So we're launching this coffee company very very soon and Get after it.
01:36:58.000Yeah, we're gonna do coffee shops physical locations.
01:37:01.000We're going to create We're gonna do subscription base so you can sign up to automatically get your bag of coffee weekly bi-weekly or however much you want you can just be like Set it up.
01:37:12.000And I really don't want to say this just yet, because it may be unfair, but I've sent out the message.
01:37:20.000I'm really hoping that with our coffee company, and we're selling these subscription coffee companies, I'm really hoping that Cal Rittenhouse is willing to work with us in some capacity.
01:37:30.000You know, maybe wear our shirt or something like that, because we're big fans.
01:38:42.000Where it's like you pay a monthly, you know, like we've talked about doing a legitimate social club, 501c7, where it's like five grand a year, but maybe it's just like 10 bucks a month and you can go hang out in Ian's Crystal Cove, you know, and then we make like a little hangout space where people can have coffee or something.
01:38:55.000Dude, I'm going to meditate in that cove.
01:38:57.000I'm going to break and charge the crystals.
01:39:36.000But you'll need a medical practitioner, I think, for tortadol.
01:39:39.000Losing your voice is caused by inflammation in the throat.
01:39:42.000NSAIDs, reduce the inflammation, allow you to speak.
01:39:44.000I think they do cortisol injections for celebrity singers who have to do a show, and they lose their voice, and then you get your voice back.
01:40:52.000The crowder thing is too big, especially like, Yeah, I'm sorry.
01:40:57.000This is the fight though, like the platforming issues that we're dealing with the censorship.
01:41:01.000We didn't even mention the Twitter leaks and how we have now hard evidence that you have the FBI, CIA, all these people that are involved in setting the terms of service.
01:41:07.000I mean, this is a really important conversation.
01:41:09.000I've been working on the charity for this technology that can help Stephen for two years.
01:41:15.000We're still on filing, but I mean, this is serendipitous.
01:41:33.000Yep, and so that way you create a network where no one can be banned, where nobody is a boss over them, but you can still discover content.
01:42:13.000He cleared some bush, but there were wolves all over the place.
01:42:16.000It was my dad who came in and got rid of the wolves.
01:42:18.000And now they're arguing over who owns the land.
01:42:19.000And I'm like, these guys aren't evil people.
01:42:22.000They're making, they're staking their claim and we're trying to adjudicate fairly who really is the person who's in the right, who's really in the wrong.
01:42:29.000Crowder thinks these contracts are bad.
01:42:31.000But I don't think the company that's offered them up is doing it because they're evil and they're doing it because they're looking at their terms and being like, yo, if this guy gets a strike, we lose all this money.
01:43:45.000Yeah, I don't, I don't, like, right now, if we're on YouTube, the central battlefield, and we've got a bridge leading to the speakeasy where people can talk, it's better than just nuking everything.
01:45:09.000Farid Mahmood says, let me guess, Daily Wire trying to shaft Crowder have helped people in the past get signed with DW and their contracts are just as bad as the rest of media.
01:45:19.000I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know.
01:45:25.000I'm actually surprised Crowder came out and complained about the contract because most people would just be like, when they offered me a deal, I didn't go public and just be like, here's what I'm being offered from these different companies.
01:45:38.000I'm like, look, if you come to me and say you'll give me 10 bucks to quit the show and go work at McDonald's, I'll say no.
01:45:45.000I don't owe you anything, you don't owe me anything.
01:45:47.000I'm not gonna come out and be like, how dare you?
01:45:50.000But I think what Crowder did, why I think it was good, is because we've got to change this landscape.
01:45:54.000I don't think, I mean, it is tough because I do wonder, would the personalities at Daily Wire exist in this capacity without the Daily Wire?
01:47:57.000Ghost Crusaders Tim, you know the smear merchants are going to write hit piece after hit piece on you even harder now that you revealed how much you make annually.
01:49:40.000I mean, look, if we've got 1.4 million subs on this channel, holy crap, if 700,000 people were paying $10 a month, we would be doing a lot more than we are.
01:49:57.000The new building we're putting up is 40 feet tall in the middle, 25 foot walls, with a studio built inside, and the whole thing's gonna cost around half a million dollars.
01:50:05.000And then we gotta do the skate components and the entertainment stuff.
01:50:07.000It's gonna be another couple hundred thousand dollars.
01:50:10.000Dude, if we had half of our viewers, because we get a collective 60 million hits per month.
01:50:34.000Like, man, I don't know, you know, if, if, if 10% of, If we had 140,000 people giving us 10 bucks a month, could you imagine if 10%?
01:50:46.000Well, see, this is where I think the network play actually works because like on Gas Digital, you have 12 different programs that once you pay, you get all of this uncensored content.
01:50:55.000Whereas if you're one creator, well, you just don't have enough content to offer to like really justify that expenditure.
01:51:01.000So that's where I think the network play does make sense for the person to subscribe.
01:51:06.000If you're a channel with like 100,000 subs and someone comes to you and says, we got 10 channels each with 100,000 subs and we're creating a network and we're going to sell it for $10 a month and we'll pay you $100,000 a year, right?
01:52:21.000So, like... I thought it, like, originated from, like, it's changed my mind things, but I'm not really sure.
01:52:27.000I don't know, I don't know exactly, but I thought when Crowder was with the Blaze, if you signed up for Mug Club, you were signing up for the Blaze.
01:52:33.000Otherwise, I don't understand how that would make sense.
01:52:35.000I thought it began when it was just him as a solo operator, but maybe he was always part of the Blazers.
01:52:54.000Oh, so did Daily Wire gain control of Yamabushi Nate says, Tim, no offense, but on your comment on your crew, I really like Luke and Surgeon Ian.
01:53:00.000built pre-WIRE. Well what was he offering? Like back before there was this whole
01:53:05.000DailyWIRE incorporated thing? A lot of, I don't know, a lot of questions. I know he
01:53:09.000and Jeremy kind of created the thing together with a third guy, Caleb I
01:53:12.000believe is his name. I don't know Caleb. Yamabushi Nate says, Tim no offense but on
01:53:16.000your comment on your crew I really like Luke and Serge and Ian. It makes the show
01:54:07.000I bet though, because it's all subscription based, or a lot of it's subscription based, you're almost at the point where you could work 7 to 11 every day, just do this show, and you still make the same amount of subscriptions.
01:54:18.000I mean, IRL drives almost all the subscriptions.
01:54:21.000Like, I think the overall majority of memberships for TimGast.com is just this show.
01:54:27.000I made a half a million dollars a year working by myself, and I just subbed out all of the work for loan docs and title and everything else.
01:54:33.000I could have brought in employees, because I was a broker.
01:55:16.000I probably won't do it today though, because now I understand how dire things are.
01:55:20.000But back when I was doing that, it didn't seem like we were so close to the precipice.
01:55:25.000The first couple of years when we launched this, I was working with no days off.
01:55:29.000So I would do Sunday to Sunday, you know, Monday to Sunday, the Tim Pool Morning Show, six segments between TimCast News and TimCast on YouTube and the podcast, and then Monday through Friday at, you know, 8 to 10, TimCast IRL.
01:55:43.000And then I think 2020 and I think in 2021 is when I stopped.
01:55:50.000New year of 2021, I stopped working weekends and I removed three segments.
01:55:54.000I brought those three segments back, but I'm still not working weekends.
01:55:57.000The issue was that I literally had no time to go to the bank.
01:56:00.000And I was like, okay, I'm doing a lot of content.
01:56:02.000But if I don't go to the bank, here's the crazy thing too.
01:56:04.000Doing the podcast every day with no days off, put the Tim Pool Daily Show in like the top 30 podcasts in the world, because it guaranteed me above everybody else.
01:56:45.000I see them as needing to exist, but I think these deals don't work this way anymore, and the system can't survive this way anymore.
01:56:52.000I think What he was seeing was them saying, if you get a strike, we are going to remove X from the guarantee because you can't make money for us.
01:57:01.000But I think the percentages they put were ridiculous.
01:57:13.000I think that there's also a bigger point about whether or not there is controlled opposition that exists in the conservative realm.
01:57:20.000And I don't think that Daily Wire or The Blaze or any of these people are necessarily in that category.
01:57:26.000But I do think that it's interesting, too, if we could unwind the finances that go into these deals, the actual source funding that creates these networks, and then understand why these contracts are being structured how they are, that would tell you, perhaps, whether or not this was actually a mechanism for trying to control a counter-narrative Sure, yeah.
01:57:48.000YouTube is actually just Alphabet, the company.
01:57:57.000Pat Meadows says, if Tim Kast negotiates a contract with Crowder and gets him on board, I will triple my monthly membership payment to Tim Kast.
02:01:47.000I don't know what I can and can't say, but I remember learning about the people they've signed deals with.
02:01:52.000And I was shocked to learn that high-profile mainstream athletes were signing with Black Rifle.
02:01:59.000And I'm like, this is the greatest thing I've ever heard.
02:02:02.000Because Black Rifle is staunchly pro-gun and conservative, and you got mainstream, top-tier action sports athletes signing deals with them.
02:02:39.000And my attitude was like, If we started a coffee company, like we are, and one day Kyle Rittenhouse wore our shirt, my statement would explicitly be, we are honored that this young man was wearing the shirt of our company.
02:03:02.000But my point is just this, it's like, This is why I think Steven Crowder will do better than the Daily Wire.
02:03:08.000Because Steven Crowder is the guy who will walk up into the face of the machine and say, F you, no.
02:03:15.000It's challenging, though, because Crowder's like, it's like comparing a warrior to an armada of ships, like each, like Crowder's one ship in the armada that is the Daily Wire.
02:03:24.000And so Ian, I just want to take this moment to say how much I love your brain.
02:03:40.000Like, Black Rifle Coffee is extremely important.
02:03:43.000I don't know which athletes I'm allowed to say have signed deals with them because I don't know which ones went public or not, but this is a tremendously positive thing in cultural takeover.
02:04:06.000We're not going to be crazy a-holes or anything.
02:04:09.000We're just going to be like, if someone comes and we get a journalist, they're going to be like, you, Kyle Rittenhouse is wearing your shirt.
02:07:47.000Tower Gang guys, you want to shout anything out?
02:07:50.000Just at Liberty Lockpot on Twitter, got 65K of you over there.
02:07:53.000That's one of the platforms I'm not afraid of losing.
02:07:56.000Please go subscribe to Liberty Lockdown on Rumble, and also Tower Gang on Rumble, and last but not least, libertylockdown.locals.com.
02:08:04.000Also, very final note, Mises Caucus putting together a debate between Dave Smith and Destiny Live in Tennessee, and right now, the B Team, if you will, would be Clint Russell versus Bosch.
02:08:16.000And Bosch, the gauntlet has been thrown.
02:10:25.000I left being in like this totally different world to be able to be here and do what I believe in.
02:10:29.000Like Tim said, it's an ideological company.
02:10:30.000You have to support the idea and what we're all standing behind here.
02:10:33.000So smash that like button, like Ian said, and let's roll the after show.
02:10:39.000Yeah, I think, you know, if we do get into more of the media stuff, In the members show, I'll try to just spill the beans as much as I can on as much as I can.
02:10:50.000What I try to avoid doing is just stepping on the toes of people who've not wronged me and have not wronged others.
02:10:56.000Just because two people have a civil dispute doesn't mean either of them are bad guys.
02:11:00.000But I'll try and talk about as much as I can with the money and the deals and what we're working on and why we're working on it.