In this episode of Smash the Like button, we talk about the anti-Vaxxers movement in the U.S. high schools, the dangers of wearing masks in public schools, and the growing number of high school students walking out of class to protest against the government's "anti-choice" policies.
00:00:24.000We had Bannon back recently, and he said it was actually crazier than he thought, because all these parents are rising up everywhere, there's protests everywhere.
00:00:31.000And it's not even just about the schools, though.
00:00:33.000We're also seeing, in basically every city, protests against vaccine mandates in the workplace.
00:00:38.000Medical professionals doing the same thing.
00:00:40.000And now we're seeing something that I didn't even expect, to be honest.
00:00:43.000Students walking out of school refusing to wear masks.
00:01:01.000But I will add, you know, there's been many instances of student protests where the students typically just like repeat talking points that the adults have said.
00:01:09.000So we'll read into the story and we'll see what these young high school students have to say about this stuff.
00:01:13.000And then we have other really, really big news, which I gotta be honest, probably should have been the lead, but I decided not to go with it.
00:01:21.000And it's that CNN is reporting, and I kid you not, According to a CDC survey, 80% of people surveyed above the age of 16 have immunity.
00:01:39.000And according to Forbes one week ago, Herd immunity is acquired at 60 to 70 percent, so I'm not definitively stating that we are at that point, because there's probably some nuance in here, but big, big news.
00:01:50.000And we will get into all this, as well as a lot of story about Texas, and the Supreme Court rulings, and some of the crazy stuff that's going on down there.
00:01:57.000We got Jay Leno capitulating to cancel culture, saying either join or die, which is creepy.
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00:05:30.000Dozens of high school kids walked out of Denver area schools on Thursday after refusing to comply with a mask mandate imposed on them.
00:05:37.000The Thunder Ridge High School students held signs saying, My Body, My Choice, and told reporters that those who are scared of the virus should stay home after walking out of class around 9.30 a.m.
00:05:46.000They were joined by nearby middle school students and their parents.
00:05:50.000Students from Legend High School in Douglas County also held a protest against the mandate.
00:05:54.000Here we have a bunch of videos of people walking out.
00:05:56.000The Tri-County Health Department announced earlier this week to require all students to wear masks, even those who have been vaccinated.
00:06:03.000The local CBS affiliate reports that they also prevented individual counties from opting out of public health orders.
00:06:09.000The order took effect on September 1st and is expected to remain in place for the entire school year.
00:07:02.000I know there were some studies saying they found limited efficacy.
00:07:05.000There were some studies saying the real problem was being indoors because of recirculated air.
00:07:08.000And there was recently a study that said, yes, actually masks did reduce transmission.
00:07:13.000So I'm not, I can't give anybody advice on this stuff because everybody claims to have the science and I don't know, but I can tell you this, when Bannon said parents would be mad, I don't know if he expected the kids to get mad too and the kids to come out, but if the parents and the kids, and this is just one location, you know, It's cause for optimism.
00:08:43.000They explained how Ebola is a terrible virus.
00:08:46.000Not because it's physically terrible and people are like, bleh, but because it's so aggressive that it becomes so presentable that it stops its ability to transmit.
00:08:57.000They said good viruses are the ones you have every day that don't make you sick, because they've successfully infected you without triggering your body's immune response, and they're not killing you so they can perpetuate.
00:09:07.000So COVID's getting more intelligent as it's evolving to Delta, which is less... Intelligent isn't the right word.
00:09:13.000Less lethal, but more infective, I think, Delta is.
00:09:16.000That's the general trajectory of viruses, as far as I understand it, at least.
00:09:21.000Yeah, maybe intelligent is the right word, but that is a good point.
00:09:23.000Basically, the virus is becoming more successful.
00:09:26.000It's more transmissible and less deadly, which means more people are going to get it.
00:09:30.000They're going to experience severe symptoms to a lesser degree, but they're going to get sick with it.
00:09:35.000And that's basically what the CDC was saying to me.
00:09:38.000There's a lot of viruses that don't cause enough damage to harm you, so the virus goes on forever and spreads around like crazy.
00:09:44.000But, you know, COVID in its earlier stages was a bad virus.
00:09:48.000Like, it was bad for its own, you know, propagation.
00:10:07.000If you've gone through all of your... the second half of freshman year, all of your sophomore year, now your beginning junior year, and you can't play a sport, you can't go to a dance, you're still... I too would feel like I am losing these very few precious high school years, and I'm stuck in a bubble.
00:11:04.000The one comment that really stuck out to me in that article is, if you're scared, you can stay home.
00:11:07.000I thought that was a really interesting point, because I heard a family member recently say, you know, they were explaining some of their hesitancies to go out and experience life, and they said, every time I go out, I have to be worried about what's going to happen to me.
00:11:21.000And that just struck me as so counterintuitive.
00:11:23.000And this kid's hit on something that's really vital.
00:11:26.000It's just like, if you're scared, then you can stay home.
00:11:40.000We had stories from seven years ago about the foofy neon safe spaces they're putting in colleges, where if you were triggered by a lecture, you could go inside and sit in a beanbag and hug a plushie.
00:11:53.000They were like pastel colors, and then you could go to therapy, and they'd be like, remember that video where, it's Nicholas Christakis, I think his name is, and I think this is the incident where the woman says, college is not about fostering intellectual, you know, conversation, it's about creating a home and a family and a safe community or something like that, and it's like, no it isn't!
00:12:13.000Yeah, and that started as the therapy dog during midterms because you needed comfort, That we're at the point now, although that probably doesn't happen because of COVID, but we're at the point now, it's like Ben Shapiro's coming to campus.
00:14:06.000So, you know, you go to war, and you hear a bang in the middle of the night, you wake up, you're like, what's happening?
00:14:11.000And you experience that for a long period of time, then you see your friends die, and then all of a sudden you're back in the United States, and a car backfires, and you break down, you start sweating, and your heart's beating like crazy.
00:14:33.000You're like, oh, the left got so triggered by this.
00:14:34.000Do you think that Ben and others like him are triggering people, making them feel like they're in second grade again, and it's that kid that just keeps talking to them and either making fun of them or saying mean things to them, and then they feel that when they see Ben because he's so poignant, straight through you?
00:14:51.000Well, it's funny that you say that, because I did have something I wanted to interject that's not exactly on topic, but I spoke with a military veteran who, he's 90 now, but he spent 30 years working with veterans that had PTSD.
00:15:03.000And he had no data, but he had anecdotal evidence when I spoke to him.
00:15:06.000He said, Chris, 90% of these veterans that have genuine PTSD, it didn't come from the war, it came from their childhood.
00:15:16.000But in the 30 years that he worked with these veterans, he was just like, it's... What happened, according to him, is that these kids had PTSD in childhood because of traumatic situations they were in.
00:15:51.000And so there are a lot of people I've met in like hostile trainings, hostile environment trainings.
00:15:55.000And I've talked to about this and they've explained that they've seen the worst you could possibly imagine and they don't have like negative impacts from it.
00:16:03.000I don't know what that means, but I think some people are attuned to like make it through these things without having, you know, like issues or, you know.
00:16:13.000post-traumatic stress disorder, whatever, whatever supposed to be called.
00:16:16.000And some people are heavily impacted by it.
00:17:13.000But at a certain point, I mean, I look at what happened with Fukushima in Japan, when the old people went and volunteered to go into the reactor to shut it down, knowing that this was the end of their lives.
00:17:22.000But they were saying things like, I'm going to sacrifice what I have left to help the next generation.
00:17:27.000And so what I really want to get to here is, you know, look, I'm not a doctor.
00:17:31.000I can recognize that there are health risks.
00:17:32.000There are a bunch of stories about, like, teenagers who lost taste and smell for, like, a prolonged period.
00:17:46.000And, you know, whether it's one life or a hundred, there was a story of a guy I knew, an acquaintance, he's a tech CEO, his son killed himself.
00:17:57.000Because this kid, I think he was like 10 years old, and he spent a year in lockdown.
00:18:59.000We allow the economy to function, we put some restrictions in place that protect the elderly and the immunocompromised so they're all, you know, taken care of, and then we make sure the nursing homes aren't dying, and the kids can live their lives without feeling depression and suicidal thoughts and things like that.
00:19:12.000Well, that was the purpose of rushing the vaccine, which I know is now FDA approved, at least one of them.
00:19:17.000But the purpose of the quick vaccine and Operation Warp Speed was to protect the elderly.
00:19:25.000It was for older adults to say, we don't expect you, Grandma and Grandpa, to live the rest of your golden years in your living room, so let's get a vaccine that you can get back into society.
00:19:35.000And that has gone from, let us get a vaccine to protect the vulnerable to give your 16-year-old in hell.
00:19:41.000You said you don't know the long-term effects of of COVID, and I know renal issues have come out now as a long-term effect.
00:19:48.000What is the long-term effect of a vaccine that no one knows the long-term effect of?
00:20:01.000So here's what it says, mid-article, CNN from today, survey.
00:20:06.000More than 80% of Americans 16 and older have immunity.
00:20:10.000The survey led by the CDC also indicates that about twice as many people have been infected with the virus as have been officially counted.
00:20:17.000More than 39 million Americans have been diagnosed with COVID infections since the pandemic started in 2020.
00:20:23.000The team led by the CDC's Dr. Jefferson Jones set out to determine how close the U.S.
00:20:27.000might be to some kind of herd immunity, although they do not claim to have any kind of handle on that yet.
00:20:33.000They worked with 17 blood collection organizations working in all 50 states plus DC and Puerto Rico to test blood covering 74% of the population.
00:20:43.000In the end, they tested 1.4 million samples.
00:20:47.000I know, Ian, you were asking about the sample size.
00:21:47.000officials, including Fauci, previously estimated that herd immunity threshold to be about 60 to 70% of the population, deeming that goal reachable once vaccines were available.
00:22:42.000Plus they didn't measure the other part of the human response, one involving cells and his T-cells, and one that might induce broader immunity.
00:22:48.000But knowing who has antibodies can help inform public health efforts.
00:22:52.000Quote, several large studies have shown that among individuals who are seropositive from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 incidence is reduced by 80 to 95 percent, similar to vaccine efficacy estimates they noted.
00:23:05.000The study will continue until at least December 2021, and results will be made available on the CDC's website, they wrote.
00:23:13.000That said that people that have had it have also.
00:23:16.000They were referencing the other part of the study where it said that people who have caught COVID have similar immunity to those who have been vaccinated.
00:23:39.000So in light of this news, we can expect for all the local and state governments and the federal government to start rolling back all the regulations, to start making adjustments to the whole lockdown situation we've been living through for the past 15, 16 months?
00:23:49.000There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government.
00:23:51.000We'll see the populations making that happen as we see with the kids walking out.
00:24:09.000So we need to start taking that consideration because now it's time to bring the economy back, help our kids, get everyone back on track.
00:24:15.000And it's time to celebrate, declare victory.
00:24:17.000And to all the people who are, you know, I'll say it right now, all the people in the big cities and all those Democrats who are like vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, congratulations.
00:24:26.000You got enough people vaccinated, at least according to this so far.
00:24:30.000Maybe it's a little preliminary, but if we're basing our judgments off CDC data, and this is the survey led by the CDC, well then, there we go, baby.
00:24:40.000Fauci came out on Fox News, said that the Mu COVID variant is not an immediate threat to Americans.
00:24:46.000I don't know if we're going to talk about this story at all, but that's very promising as well, because if it's continuing to evolve, this virus, and it's just, according to Fauci, not going to be a threat.
00:25:34.000Well, this is so interesting to me, too, because I think it was just last week we were talking about, I think it was Thomas Massey tweeted out a study about how natural immunity is at least comparable to vaccine immunity.
00:25:45.000And he that tweet was super restricted.
00:26:16.000But I guess the question will be, coming from this, is in terms of government, in terms of government overreach, was all this for our own good?
00:26:24.000And obviously there's an argument about whether or not government should even be caring about our own good.
00:26:30.000Because if we're hitting this herd immunity and we're heading in the right direction and we're celebrating and bring back the freedoms, etc.
00:26:37.000If it doesn't start rolling back, well then you know this was all just a load of bunk, right?
00:26:42.000So that will be the real question which I think has people genuinely concerned.
00:26:47.000I don't think you're going to see government saying like, hey look, we solved this problem and now everything will go back to normal.
00:27:44.000FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine.
00:27:46.000The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and will now be marketed as Community for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.
00:28:02.000The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization, including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.
00:28:13.000So I guess they're not, they're advising boosters.
00:28:15.000We haven't gotten to the booster point yet.
00:28:17.000I think some people have already gotten them.
00:28:18.000But they do mention it is, so basically the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine Under Section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products
00:28:48.000to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases
00:28:53.000or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met, including there are no
00:29:00.000adequate approved and available alternatives. The HHS declaration to support such use must be based
00:29:06.000on one of the four types of determinations of threats or potential threats by the Secretary
00:29:10.000of HHS, Homeland Security, or Defense. Okay, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is approved.
00:29:18.000Does that mean now that they've approved this vaccine, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson will lose EUA?
00:30:26.000There's a letter to the FDA explaining that they are legally distinct, even though the same formulation, because marketing something under a brand is specific.
00:30:33.000But that doesn't change the fact that there is an FDA.
00:30:36.000Some people said, they're like, oh, it's not really FDA approved because it's under a different name.
00:30:40.000And I'm like, no, there is an effective alternative treatment available, FDA approved, under Comirnity.
00:31:01.000Did Moderna and Johnson, are their stocks going to plummet now?
00:31:04.000I would wonder if they could make the argument, again, I'm not a pharmacologist, I don't know, but are there different medical circumstances where one vaccine would be preferable to the other?
00:31:16.000Right now it seems like, which one are you going to get?
00:31:18.000Like, I don't know, CVS has the Johnson & Johnson and Walgreens has, I just, no one seemed to know which one they were getting or why.
00:31:26.000Most people I know got Johnson & Johnson because it was one shot, but otherwise they didn't know.
00:31:31.000So the only argument I would say is if they can say for these reasons, people who have X, Y, or Z genetic makeup, I don't even know how to describe this, they should get Moderna.
00:31:42.000So even though Pfizer's is the one that's now Comirnaty, but you need Johnson & Johnson for X reasons so we still have emergency authorization.
00:31:54.000This is a document says Pfizer BioNTech COVID vaccine EUA LOA reissued August 23.
00:32:01.000There is a footnote that says the licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the emergency use authorization authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccine series vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns.
00:32:16.000The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.
00:32:21.000Well, didn't the one guy from the FDA just leave to go join the board of Pfizer?
00:33:13.000So I might have seen something that was not accurate.
00:33:16.000So that's why I don't even want to continue talking.
00:33:19.000To be fair, I saw the same thing and I was a little surprised too, but I didn't read the article.
00:33:23.000And the only reason I was bringing that up is to say, well, then maybe that explains why one got the FDA approval and the other one didn't.
00:33:31.000Not that we would ever think, you never see four-star generals go work for Raytheon, for example, or there's never any of that, like, you know, posturing between I don't see that story.
00:33:44.000It could be that we're googling it, but I see CNBC from a day ago saying that he serves on the board of Pfizer, not the FDA.
00:33:50.000So I think maybe people got it mixed up.
00:33:52.000You see the new vaccine for Moderna is going to be called Spikevax.
00:34:10.000So to the bottom of this, Community Maybe it's not available yet, and that's why they're able to continue the emergency authorization use for the generics, possibly.
00:34:21.000If Community is available, then by the FDA's own standards, they've got to drop, maybe they don't have to drop the emergency authorization because they've already given it, but they're not allowed to continue to give more.
00:34:29.000Maybe they're allowed to continue doing it because revoking an EUA is different from giving one.
00:34:34.000I keep laughing because I already see the Cormernity commercials and like the mother and daughter making a pie and the dad's out and they're like, if you need to ask your doctor about Cormernity and then they list all the symptoms, right?
00:34:44.000Like, don't take Cormernity if you have boom, boom, boom.
00:34:51.000They actually do say in the FDA approval letter and the product information for Cormernity, there is no information on long-term effects.
00:34:58.000Those studies are ongoing and they're currently undergoing trials.
00:35:01.000So people have concerns about that, and I think it's funny when you see all the smears about horse medicine, and they're like, oh, you know, ivermectin or whatever, which is not approved by the FDA for use in treating COVID, nor is it authorized in any way, just so you guys know, because, you know, YouTube says it's important.
00:35:15.000I forgot what I was going to say, because I was ragging on YouTube.
00:35:20.000Oh, yeah, but there are people who say, like, I'm concerned about long-term health effects, and then they get made fun of and mocked and ridiculed, and I'm like, Here's what bugs me.
00:35:32.000I think too many people who have concerns are getting their perception of the CDC based on the Democrats and the establishment left who say stupid things all the time.
00:35:44.000And the CDC literally gives you warnings about the vaccine.
00:36:21.000That's monoclonal antibodies, that's what Joe Rogan used.
00:36:24.000Joe Rogan did a video where he's like, yo, I had COVID, I was feeling really bad, so we threw the kitchen sink at it, we did monoclonal antibodies, we did Z-Pak, we did ivermectin, and all these outlets are insulting Rogan over ivermectin, when the first thing he says was monoclonal antibodies, which is Regeneron.
00:36:40.000Now, my question is, There is an emergency use authorization on Regeneron, not full approval, as a treatment for people.
00:36:48.000And I think they recently authorized it for potential prophylaxis, meaning like you can take it to try and prevent COVID as well.
00:36:54.000So my question is, if people really believe ivermectin is as powerful and potent as it is in dealing with this, Why wouldn't the FDA just give it an emergency use authorization?
00:37:05.000You know, people are saying that the reason they're not, you know, taking ivermectin seriously is because they want everyone to get vaccinated, and I'm like, but Regeneron's available, and that's what Joe Rogan and Trump and many other people used, and it works.
00:37:16.000Or I should say, we believe it does, and the FDA says it can be used.
00:37:20.000So why not just do an EUA for ivermectin if they really had the data to back it up?
00:37:23.000Why not ask yourself seriously, why are you so eager for Joe Rogan to be sick with COVID, right?
00:37:31.000Like he comes out and says, this is what I did and it seemed to work.
00:37:34.000And people were like, I wish you had died instead.
00:37:36.000Like, what is this strange desire for him not to have succeeded?
00:37:40.000If one of you told me you had COVID and you ate a lot of bananas and you were like, and the next day I felt great, I'd be like, that's really cool.
00:37:49.000Like, I don't know, maybe bananas work.
00:37:52.000So I don't understand this fascination like they want him to be sick to just not break the narrative and it's very bizarre.
00:38:14.000That's, uh, I don't, I don't know what's going on.
00:38:16.000I think I can answer, I can answer your question from earlier about, uh, why is things like ivermectin not being emergency authorized if, but other things, because it's the same, the same question, give you the same, a different question, give you the same answer is why is Pfizer creating a name for the, the vaccine called Comirnaty?
00:38:47.000So this Ivermectin stuff is like some generic $1.20.
00:38:50.000I don't know how much it costs, but it's dirt cheap compared to what- But it is mass-produced by people, and I guess the problem I have with this is you start getting into the argument that, well, the studies must be faked.
00:39:11.000And then you have many other studies saying it's not effective and we found nothing.
00:39:15.000I would have to make the assumption that one of those groups of studies would be wrong or intentionally lying.
00:39:23.000And so I think we don't have to get conspiratorial on it.
00:39:26.000If we have data saying Regeneron is effective and Joe Rogan took it and it worked, although he did take Z-Pak and Ivermectin, so people might judge whatever they want to judge.
00:39:33.000Obviously the media is claiming it was the horse medicine the whole time.
00:39:36.000But if we have data that these things do work, Then I think it makes sense to say we don't want to do an EUA on ivermectin because it's conflicting data right now.
00:39:46.000So imagine if they came out and there's, you know, we had Dr. Chris Martinson, he's a smart guy, and he said that, look at all these studies saying it works.
00:39:53.000And then I was like, look at all these studies saying they found no, nothing, no change, no positive fact, it literally had no impact.
00:39:59.000And the response we got from him was basically like, oh yeah, well those studies, those are no good.
00:40:05.000And I'm like, I can't make that decision.
00:40:26.000I think you can either believe in the malice of people and the profit motive and the greed and assume they're just lying to people about these other medications, or I think you can make the least amount of assumptions and say someone looked at it and was like, I don't know if that one's going to work, I don't want to recommend it.
00:40:45.000Also keep in mind that companies that are producing products for profit often will not test against them intentionally.
00:40:52.000You know, you don't have to spend the money to do the test to find out if everything's bad, and if there's no test showing it's bad, then there's no evidence that it's bad.
00:40:58.000But you'd hope that's the role of the FDA, though, right?
00:41:19.000I think corporations are very driven by profit and they want to make money.
00:41:22.000But I also think, what am I supposed to do as a regular person, to all the regular people out there who are trying to navigate this world, keep their kids safe, when it's like, you've got people for competing political interests and tribal reasons trying to tell you to do something or not do something.
00:41:34.000And that's why I tell people when it comes to all this stuff, I genuinely mean it when I say go talk to someone, your trusted doctor.
00:41:40.000And if your doctor is not someone good, find one you trust.
00:41:43.000Because the culture war is tainting everything and making it hard for people to understand reality.
00:43:17.000But he tweeted out that he just pulled up to a parking lot and stuck his arm out the window and I was like, you didn't consult your doctor about... I think that's bad.
00:43:51.000So, but you know what doesn't help that is when you have like last week 75 doctors in California walked out in protest because we're not going to treat the unvaccinated.
00:44:00.000You have a clinician who wouldn't give Candace Owens a COVID test yesterday because I don't like your politics, right?
00:44:07.000So when the members of the community with the Hippocratic Oath But there are a lot of medical workers that are protesting the mandates.
00:44:32.000Would you would you tell a doctor that's confused by politics at all? Oh, I
00:44:37.000I don't want their hands on me if they're thinking about Joe Biden.
00:44:40.000We've had people on the show who have talked about how their doctors are like staunch conservative Republicans and Trump supporters, and gave them all the pros and the cons, knew all the stories, knew all the data, knew what the CDC had been saying about alternate treatments, and then made their recommendation.
00:44:55.000I think we've reached a point where the culture war is so entrenched in every aspect of every institution, it's very difficult to navigate this stuff.
00:45:02.000My fear is just that, like, you know, I go on social media, and I see the horse medicine thing, where they're, like, smearing Joe Rogan, as if to imply that Joe Rogan went to Tractor Supply and bought, you know, some tube of, what's it called, like, Avermectin paste or whatever, and then you stick it in the horse's mouth.
00:45:47.000I think you've got to separate yourself from the culture war.
00:45:49.000You do your own research, you go and talk to a medical practitioner, someone that your family knows and that you trust, and you have a conversation about it for as long as you need to have it.
00:45:57.000I think it's also important to not get triggered by the misinformation.
00:46:13.000But you see, in the culture war, there is a goal among, I think it's particularly the establishment, to be equally honest, which wraps up the Democrats.
00:46:21.000It used to be the Republicans, but they, when Trump came in and broke the door down, they want you confused.
00:46:28.000Makes you frustrated, scared, and say, I give up.
00:46:30.000And that's why I'm like, don't give up, do research, and then find someone that you trust who's like, look, if you do fact-checking and you know something is true and something isn't, go to your doctor, ask him the questions, and if your doctor's wrong about some, like, very obvious fact, then you have a bad doctor.
00:46:46.000I said it before about, like, hiring a plumber who can't fix a toilet.
00:46:50.000And I admire what you're saying, and I agree with what you're saying.
00:46:54.000You are much more non-partisan than I am.
00:46:58.000But I think part of driving the culture war, as I see it, is, heck, last weekend, Deb Haaland, Secretary of the Interior, got married, went back to New Mexico.
00:47:15.000Senators, the Secretary of Interior, the Governor, no one's wearing a mask, they're all doing the chicken dance, they're all having a blast at the wedding, and it's like, if you're the enforcers of this law that is supposed to protect us, and you're just like, you don't really have to follow it, well then, so I get it, I wish the culture war wasn't so prevalent, but when you see stuff like that, that I think tends to come from one side of the aisle, I don't trust a lot of what's coming out and it's hard for me to get past it.
00:47:43.000I mean it's hard for me to get past it when you see that commonplace.
00:47:47.000I'll say that I trust the CDC and the FDA substantially more than I would trust the press or any one of these government officials or Barack Obama and I don't have a lot of trust in government institutions regardless if they're the CDC or the FDA.
00:48:13.000And I'm like, dude, the challenge is for regular people, not for those who are hyper partisan
00:48:18.000There's regular people who are sitting at home and they're like, what do I do?
00:48:21.000And it's like, you've got to get yourself away from the battlefield where everyone's slinging ideas and the news is constantly in conflict and people are saying you're a liar.
00:48:29.000And there are people who are sitting there watching everyone accuse each other of being liars.
00:48:32.000And I hear that they go, both sides are bad.
00:48:37.000There is, like, conservatives who disagree on certain things, but will be honest with you, and the left, that has no visible principles in many regards, like, particularly with what's going on in Texas, which we'll get to.
00:48:47.000And that's why I think people need to remove themselves from it.
00:50:13.000It says, Available data on community administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy.
00:50:20.000A developmental toxicity study has been performed in female rats administered the equivalent of a single human dose of community on four occasions, twice prior to mating and twice during gestation.
00:50:30.000These studies revealed no evidence of harm to the fetus due to the vaccine.
00:50:43.000If you go to a plumber and you say something like, you know, the pipe in the back of my toilet is broken, and he goes, what do you mean a pipe?
00:50:52.000You'd be like, that's the most insane thing this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
00:50:55.000So if you go to a doctor and he doesn't actually read the stuff, you're a bad doctor.
00:50:58.000Well, I would think that he would at least try to protect himself legally and say, there's no evidence at this point in time to say that it's not effective.
00:51:08.000But he just parroted the talking point.
00:51:11.000And I think that there's a lot of that happening.
00:51:12.000And I don't think that these doctors are necessarily malevolent.
00:51:15.000I think that they just might be, to some extent, ignorant or uninformed.
00:52:23.000And they often don't have time or interest in reading it, but sometimes they do, and they'll learn, and they'll be like, oh, and then they'll start teaching their patients the new information.
00:52:31.000I just, I just, I think it's time to take responsibility.
00:52:34.000Like, the idea that you could just go to a doctor and assume they're good at their job.
00:52:38.000The idea that you could just go to a journalist and assume they're telling the truth.
00:52:40.000No, no, no, you gotta find good journalists.
00:53:00.000Well, I mean, at least 50% are below average, right?
00:53:04.000Actually, one of my favorite statistics that I was there is a statistic that something like 73% of Americans think they're above average looks.
00:53:11.000It's like, well, a lot of math problems right there, right?
00:53:16.000So yeah, I guess, you know, 87 is That's a daunting statistic.
00:53:21.000Anecdotally, I think it might be accurate.
00:53:25.000Let's bring up some of this hypocrisy from your traditional liberals.
00:53:29.000And we have this story from Daily Mail.
00:53:31.000Liberal Supreme Court justices tear into their colleagues for their, quote, flagrantly unconstitutional decision not to challenge Texas abortion ban, while Biden calls it an insult to the rule of law.
00:54:01.000I mean, I do think... I know I'm getting cynical as I get older.
00:54:05.000They are both huge industries that have a lot of money and a lot of 401ks and a lot of... The abortion industry is an industry.
00:54:13.000The pharmaceutical industry is an industry.
00:54:15.000And they have vested interests that go much deeper than just the cause.
00:54:20.000I wish they would just be honest and not use the argument and it would fly better for someone like me, right?
00:54:25.000Instead of coming out and saying, my body, my choice, like those high school kids and those middle school kids were saying the exact same thing, I'm like, okay, what about vaccine mandates?
00:55:04.000And so if someone said, I think the government should mandate vaccines, and I think I should be allowed to terminate a pregnancy, it's that simple, I'd be like, okay.
00:55:14.000Instead they're like, I don't think the government should force women, you know, to have medical decisions over their bodies, and I'm like, you don't believe that!
00:55:21.000You're using some kind of liberty-minded talking point to trick people who want freedom.
00:55:25.000Yeah, they definitely don't believe that because they will be the first ones to say, like, let it rain mandates.
00:55:29.000If people have said, people have said on social.
00:56:11.000And I think even when it comes to, like, pro-choice groups, it's always, like, with heavy restrictions, and now you have this faction of far leftists who are, they're not even pro-choice, they're pro-abortion.
00:56:22.000Like, CBS News actually calls them pro-abortion groups.
00:56:25.000I was, you know, reading this and they say, pro-abortion.
00:56:28.000I have a good friend from Ireland who told me, who knows American politics pretty well, and said the reason why it's never going to be resolved here is because, he said, in Ireland, in Catholic Ireland, gay marriage and abortion were decided by referendum.
00:56:44.000And he said even people who disagree with them know the majority of people voted a certain way.
00:56:49.000And he's like, we don't have arguments about abortion and gay marriage.
00:56:53.000He said in America you have them non-stop because the people never felt like they had a chance to voice their vote.
00:56:58.000And I think there's a lot of truth to that.
00:57:00.000I mean the abortion argument and even the marriage argument.
00:57:03.000No people ever got to... Now I think if you gave people the option to choose I think marriage would pass pretty easily and I think abortion would probably pass but I think it would be a lot closer but people would at least say like I participated in this process, which does govern society.
00:57:21.000And now the nine justices... Heck, Elizabeth Warren was one of the most salient things that I even tweeted at her when she said that we need to codify Roe into law to stop this from happening.
00:57:31.000I'm like, so you're admitting it wasn't a law?
00:57:34.000And if it's not a law, then the people whose duly elected legislators represent them in the Congress They never participated in the process.
00:57:41.000And that's thoroughly un-American that these nine justices are deciding something this consequential.
00:57:54.000That's why everyone loves the courts, but that's why the left really loves the courts, because they never have the political will to move these agendas forward, so they have to do them through the courts.
00:58:02.000When it came to the eviction moratorium, the Supreme Court was like, oh, don't look at us, that's Congress.
00:58:06.000But many other issues, they're like, yes.
00:58:08.000It wasn't even Congress, it was the CDC that all of a sudden you're like, I don't know.
00:58:12.000They said that Congress has to codify.
00:58:25.000And people are ranting against landlords when the issue has nothing to do with landlords.
00:58:29.000It has to do with people who took that money from the COVID relief funds and spent it on other stuff or saved it instead of paying their rent with it.
00:58:36.000Your parents are rich fat cats who are just sitting on all these properties.
00:58:42.000Florida Senate says legislature ready to replicate Texas abortion bill.
00:58:46.000So this is interesting because what the left is saying now is it's effectively the end of Roe v. Wade that women are losing their rights and every Republican state is going to do this and it's like but you can still get an abortion.
00:58:58.000But isn't this just like a, at some level, just a reactionary move from, you know, consequential red states against the vaccine mandates in blue states and blue cities?
00:59:17.000I know exactly what you're saying, and I agree with you.
00:59:21.000I don't think it's necessarily abortion as a reaction to COVID, but I think red states as a reaction to the culture wars and the Biden administration.
00:59:29.000Red states are getting red, like really red.
01:00:24.000You live in Alabama and do all of the Alabama you want.
01:00:27.000This is really interesting that these kind of things come up, though, is because the Supreme Court made rulings— No offense to Alabama, by the way.
01:00:41.000The argument from the proponents for miscegenation laws was that if these states want to ban interracial cohabitation and marriage, then don't live there.
01:00:53.000And so there were, like my family for instance, my mom's side, forced to flee different states when people found out because it was literally illegal for them to be in a relationship.
01:01:03.000And so the Supreme Court said it violates the Constitution, the supreme law of this country, to tell someone for these reasons that are arbitrary.
01:01:10.000And so I think the same thing is true of gay marriage.
01:01:13.000I think if, you know, we're gonna uphold someone's constitutional rights, right to privacy, and right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, and the privacy of their own home, Yeah.
01:01:20.000makes sense for the Supreme Court to say you can't do this as per the
01:01:24.000Constitution. And that means sometimes things happen you don't like.
01:01:27.000Sometimes there'll be some Supreme Court rulings and you're like, man, that one's bad.
01:01:50.000Because right now, if it's like, if the Supreme Court issues a ruling I don't agree with, we get active and we say, okay, we're going to fight politically to change hearts and minds and win the causes we do want.
01:01:59.000But if they say they're going to stack the courts, then the process is done.
01:02:02.000There's no path by which you can win other than just manipulating the system, and that's the collapse.
01:02:07.000That is the rich, obnoxious kid whose birthday party you invited to who had to win because it was his birthday party, and every time he was losing, they would change the rules so that Timmy won because it was his party, you know?
01:02:20.000There are Democrat senators who are blasting the filibuster as a relic of Jim Crow when a year ago, Senator Tim Scott, who is black, who's a Republican,
01:02:32.000they were filibustering his criminal justice reform bill.
01:02:36.000The same senators who filibustered a black Republican last year are now saying,
01:02:40.000we can't have the filibuster because it's full of racism and Jim Crow.
01:03:09.000We are not living in the era of the neocons anymore.
01:03:13.000The populist right, the MAGA crowd, the Trump supporters, they stormed the Republican Party
01:03:19.000and it's very different from what it used to be, but there's still many,
01:03:22.000Establishment and neocon Republicans that are still in office, and I'll tell you this, I don't like the Republican Party because they are spineless, weak, and they just do nothings.
01:03:33.000Why should I care about a group of people who don't do anything and are bad at it?
01:03:36.000I disagree with a lot of them on their ideas, I can agree with some of the rhetoric around freedom, and then I like some people who ran as Republicans but are clearly much more libertarian like Rand Paul or Thomas Massey.
01:03:46.000But I view the Republicans as, what are they doing?
01:03:48.000Tell me, you know, I remember back when Trump was being impeached and stuff, I was talking to my mom about this, and she was like, you know, I don't hear you talk about the Republicans at all that often.
01:05:36.000But even this case though, I mean, it's getting blown out of proportion that this is now the beginning of the repeal of Roe, and it's really not.
01:05:44.000This is the courts saying, you filed suit against a law that hasn't even gone into effect yet, and you don't have...
01:06:05.000I've been saying viral load for weeks.
01:06:10.000But anyway, I think politics being politics, this is getting blown up as like, that's it, Roe is now over.
01:06:16.000And this is the court saying, let's actually have a challenge to the law before you bring it to the Supreme Court, saying this law can't go into effect yet.
01:06:24.000There needs to be someone who is negatively impacted by it to then be able to challenge it.
01:06:28.000Yeah, so that's what people don't realize is the reason why the lower courts were like, nah, and the Supreme Court was like, nah.
01:06:34.000So the lower court said, we're letting this law go through, and the Supreme Court said, we're not interested, is because there's no standing.
01:06:41.000Where's the individual who's been wrong that is challenging this, right?
01:08:16.000The ones that tried to get an abortion?
01:08:18.000What this law says is that someone can sue if they find out someone aided or got an abortion, and they can be rewarded up to, like, ten grand, I think it is, right?
01:11:57.000And I was like, that was one of the most genius tweets I ever saw.
01:12:00.000It was like, if men can get pregnant, we can talk about abortion.
01:12:04.000Yes, but now it's, are you a birthing person?
01:12:07.000But not talking about this law, which was what people were saying.
01:12:11.000Jen Psaki, the president, they all talked about how this is a threat to the rights of women.
01:12:16.000So the birthing person was not used today.
01:12:18.000So now we are back to women are the ones getting pregnant, which I think for the trans community is incredibly transphobic.
01:12:26.000I just, I just, I just, I, you know, I talked with Glenn back and we had a really, really great conversation about it because I was just like, I hear all your arguments.
01:12:35.000I agree with a lot of your, um, you know, your, your, um, I agree with your starting point and where your arguments are coming from.
01:12:43.000But then I think about the government saying, at this point in time, that independent living creature that is living off of your blood and using your body, well, we're going to make sure that that stays that way.
01:12:54.000And I'm like, man, but this is my body.
01:13:54.000I'm just, there's like a libertarian wall that stands before me, and I'm like, I don't know how you get past that, for me, morally, I don't know.
01:14:00.000Well, I think Libertarians, as a political party, their platform is pro-choice.
01:14:11.000How could you be Libertarian and be pro-life?
01:14:13.000Because their argument is that Libertarians do believe in the state, and they believe that one of the paramount things of the state's mission is to protect life.
01:14:25.000So, like, we have a government that is trying to make sure people can live, you know, and it's one of the goals of government to prevent death.
01:14:34.000So stop someone from murdering somebody else.
01:14:47.000And at that point, removing it from the womb would terminate it.
01:14:51.000In which case, you know, you can't do that.
01:14:54.000But I do have a question in that capacity then.
01:14:56.000Would there be a law that says the women can remove the baby At around five months when the baby becomes viable outside of the womb and then put into care and then adopt it.
01:15:06.000Because if the real issue is killing the baby, then once the baby comes to a point where they know the fetus to be viable, you know, outside of the womb, could it then be removed?
01:15:17.000Like, not to kill it, but to actually let it grow and live and flourish.
01:15:43.000So then would there be a legal debate over like, well, let's six months actually, you can, you know, they can do a C-section or, or, or, or put the woman into forced labor and then the baby can be premature and then be treated to grow and survive because it works.
01:16:07.000The challenge I think that we're dealing with is the reality of what it means to be a living entity, trying to ask ourselves questions about individual sovereignty, bodily autonomy, but also the fact that we are biological entities that use our bodies for reproduction.
01:16:22.000And then what does it mean that when a woman gets pregnant, There are two individuals involved.
01:16:27.000That's how the law views it, especially in car accidents and murder cases.
01:16:30.000If the woman's pregnant, there's two entities.
01:16:32.000And then how do you determine rights for people who are attached to each other?
01:16:36.000I'll give you another wild, crazy scenario.
01:17:09.000So basically we need a law that says conjoined twins cannot possess firearms.
01:17:14.000Oh, yeah, like that's how you get away with if you have someone on an ink on an intubator And they're unconscious they and you are like their family member you have the right to pull the plug on that machine I believe right in most states if no not not not this was that was it the terry shop?
01:17:27.000Yeah, yeah, there's there's states where you can't do it.
01:17:31.000That's similar to abortion because the baby can't speak for itself It's essentially unconscious in your inside of you, and you have full control of its breathing And it's so you you have to make the decision whether it's gonna get the plug pulled or not then there's euthanasia Yeah, and I'm just like man.
01:18:47.000There's, the way I refer to it is, there's the particle form and the wave form of an argument.
01:18:54.000The particle form is where we can easily quantify what is good and what is bad, and we say, this goes in the bad section, this goes in the good section, like, thou shalt not kill, we know that's bad, and, you know, but, well, I guess then we gotta carve out for, like, self-defense, and we gotta carve out for, like, you know, warfare and things where we find justifiable death.
01:19:07.000Okay, well, Well, there's some things that are clearly bad.
01:19:10.000You know, don't attack people unprovoked for no reason.
01:19:14.000Then when it comes to how do we deal with the liberties of individuals when there's more than one individual in the circumstance that can't be removed from it and we're like, you know what?
01:19:25.000There is no easily quantifiable way to define this.
01:19:28.000And that's why I would describe more as the waveform.
01:19:31.000It takes a massive gradient of different opinions in different areas.
01:19:35.000And there's, you know, there's no middle.
01:20:20.000What does it have to do with you, man?
01:20:22.000See, I believe life exists for the purpose of creating complex systems out of free energy.
01:20:27.000And I believe that when you look to what we should do and what is good, good is creation, protection, development, progression, and bad is destruction and chaos and pain.
01:20:57.000The human body exists as a well-ordered machine that destroys cancerous cells.
01:21:01.000It's part of the process to ensure that it persists.
01:21:05.000But when the machine breaks and cancer develops, it's actually destroying the system and preventing the growth and development of new complex systems.
01:21:12.000So when I hear stories about people somewhere else doing horrible things and destroying things, I'm like, this goes against what I view life is here to be doing.
01:21:20.000They are causing massive destruction that's negative to the goals of development, creation, progress, etc.
01:21:32.000The world isn't about me and my perception of what I want.
01:21:34.000I don't just exist so that I can have things.
01:21:36.000I want the world to genuinely improve and be better, and I hope that there's a future out there in a hundred, two hundred years of humans traveling the stars and continuing the development of organizing energy into complex systems, and then eventually they ascend into a higher being of a greater level of development, and then eventually human entity, whatever it is, evolves, develops, creates robots, something else, that then starts creating its own universes as the next phase of the creation of complex systems.
01:22:00.000Destroying things, breaking things for no reason, makes me mad.
01:22:09.000If there's a woman who would die, or it would cause destruction, then we intervene.
01:22:16.000If it's a woman who's simply saying, I'm going to destroy, I'm like, that's bad.
01:22:20.000The problem is if the government gets it wrong and they do all the time, I don't want the government involved.
01:22:24.000And I understand that it'll be abused, which is a very difficult moral position, but I err towards the libertarian side because I'm scared of what government does with too much power.
01:22:33.000I used to have pretty much your exact perspective on that, like what do I care if somebody has an abortion and whatever reasons they choose.
01:22:39.000I had a pretty decent lefty indoctrination at university, but that changed when my son was born.
01:22:46.000Going through that process of pregnancy and birth and then taking care of something that small and fragile totally reversed.
01:22:52.000So I don't think that you can necessarily have that change of perspective unless you go through that yourself.
01:22:58.000Because, I mean, that's at least where I'm coming from.
01:22:59.000I mean, you had a very elaborate explanation for your perspective, but for me, it's very personal.
01:23:05.000And going through that myself, it totally changed my perspective of abortion.
01:23:09.000I hope your wife is watching right now, because that's the sweetest thing I have heard.
01:23:13.000I got a little emotional, like, oh my god, I want a baby!
01:24:29.000And now we have these three little baby chicks that jump around and playing and doing the little chicken thing and we open the cage and they jump out and they're jumping all around and they're very nice and they flap their little wings and they're adorable and they're living and I want to protect them.
01:24:43.000And so when I think about the issue of, you know, life and, you know, all this stuff, I absolutely feel that way about other babies.
01:24:51.000Like, I don't just hold chickens to high esteem.
01:24:56.000Man, I couldn't imagine what it must be to go through that, having to make these decisions or whatever for a person who's had to go to a clinic and deal with this stuff.
01:25:04.000These are hard moral questions, man, and I am not a priest.
01:25:07.000This has been the most unemotional abortion conversation I've ever been part of.
01:25:14.000And that makes me think, like, how many more conversations could we have as a society where we all have very strong opinions and what is a more controversial subject than abortion?
01:25:25.000And we disagree at the table, but boy oh boy was this such a, this is like an example of civility.
01:25:33.000It's the Ben Shapiro thing that facts don't care about your feelings.
01:25:36.000I think that this is one of those conversations that we need to be able to have because I know that I disagree with so many people and they're not going to change my mind and I'm probably not going to change theirs.
01:25:45.000But you were talking about cancer, Ian, and you're also talking about maybe like a little baby in India.
01:25:50.000You just don't really care what happens to them.
01:25:52.000And I think that if you consider the fact, this is a very cliche, but if you consider the fact that if you're going to take a child out of the equation, you have no idea what their potential is.
01:26:01.000They could literally cure cancer, but it doesn't matter if they could cure cancer or not.
01:26:05.000Because if they could make one person's life better over the course of their life, whether they have down syndrome or something, or if they just become a parent who makes a positive difference in the world for their own kids, you're removing that from the equation without ever giving them a shot at life.
01:26:36.000But I thought about something, especially why I oppose the death penalty, is because I read stories, and I read about people's experiences, and I was reading about death row.
01:26:50.000And it was like a guy who was going on death row and at the very last minute they put a halt or whatever on the execution and then later turned out the guy was wrongly convicted.
01:27:01.000And then I was like, I could only imagine being told, we are going to slowly walk you to a painful death.
01:27:08.000Knowing that soon what makes you you the uniqueness of you would be snuffed out and you were innocent And I was like that is one of the most horrifying things.
01:27:15.000I feel like a person could ever experience It's like a mock execution.
01:27:19.000It's like you have no power You have done nothing to deserve this and we are going to end you now And this guy was, you know, there's a bunch of stories like this, but I was like, wow, I could not exp... I believe killing is wrong.
01:27:32.000I believe that human beings are all... You know what's funny?
01:27:37.000We can talk about a Bitcoin, you know, a crypto and its unique hash code, and how there can be trillions upon trillions all with these unique codes.
01:27:47.000To the 10th power, to the 100th power, unique.
01:27:49.000Every little bit about them, from their ideas and their developments, to the words they use, to the way they speak, to the color of their hair, all become this extremely unique bit of data.
01:27:58.000It's like you have to be... You know how two pieces of matter can't occupy the same space?
01:28:03.000It's almost like two formations cannot be the same in this universe, so that we're forced to be unique by becoming different than our surroundings.
01:28:12.000I just mean to say that, you know, to quote Dr. Manhattan, or to paraphrase Dr. Manhattan, that, you know, with all the matter in the universe that could have come together, a woman loves a man she had every reason to hate, and all that came was you, a miracle, something that shouldn't exist.
01:28:48.000Like, what are we doing here on Earth?
01:28:50.000It didn't, it wasn't, like, I say, you're saying all life is valuable, but you're talking about human life, and you're saying killing is wrong, you're talking about murder.
01:30:14.000So, destruction for the purpose of destruction.
01:30:17.000Destruction for the purpose of protecting life is different.
01:30:20.000When we kill a chicken to eat it, it's because it's part of the process of organizing free energy into complex systems, and in order to survive, we kill and eat.
01:30:29.000But if someone went around with a 410 and just popping off people's chickens, they'd arrest them and lock them up.
01:30:36.000That's why I'm going after those animals that are eating my chickens.
01:31:30.000I guess there are some circumstances where that would be the case, but not always.
01:31:33.000Maybe not even the majority of the time.
01:31:35.000You know, I so want people not to get abortions, but man, there's literally, in my mind, I keep just hitting a libertarian wall of like, I don't understand why the government intervenes and stops someone from making a decision that I have no business being involved in.
01:31:48.000Other than to protect innocent life, but then I don't know the circumstances.
01:31:51.000There's no way I could know the circumstances.
01:31:52.000That means there's going to be a lot of abuse.
01:33:18.000You have to be a sociopath to entertain the notion of culling human beings.
01:33:24.000Because as humans, we strive to protect each other and to flourish and to love and to live and we hold ourselves to the highest hierarchical standard in terms of life.
01:33:32.000And hence the genre of post-apocalyptic movies and books from Hunger Games to the maze runner and the choo-choo train in the snow.
01:33:47.000But I want to just mention that I did ask Alex Jones this question when we were on the show and I said, what if they're right?
01:33:53.000What if we are expanding too rapidly, ignorant to our own impending demise because we're like yeast in a bottle, eating the sugars and farting ourselves to death?
01:34:01.000What if there needs to be some kind of intervention to make sure humanity survives?
01:34:14.000If we're hungry and starving, we become desperate, violent, wild animals seeking for our survival.
01:34:18.000But then when we get past the base needs, we become this like effervescent thinking machine that can create and solve, well, create problem, create and solve problems, create solutions.
01:34:27.000And that's, that's not there when you're like a desperate animal, that's just thinking about food, like a North Korean citizen or something.
01:34:32.000No, but this is the whole argument of Locke versus Hobbes.
01:34:54.000Now that I live in the country, now I think society makes people worse.
01:34:58.000For a while I used to think we were animals and society made people better.
01:35:01.000But now I look at cities, I look at my hometown of New York, I look at DC, I'm like, I think society sometimes has a negative influence on the individual.
01:35:14.000But you're absolutely right, we're not going to solve it in the few minutes we have left, but we've been discussing that for literally thousands of years, the nature of man.
01:35:21.000What if just randomly at the end, there's a super chat we read, and then all of a sudden, everyone in the world's holding hands and singing songs.
01:35:44.000Go to TimCast.com, be a member, because we'll have a bonus segment, member segment, because there's a bunch of stuff we didn't get into, because we just kind of roll with it.
01:37:44.000If you're not familiar with the video game, Destiny is like, the humans were thriving because this big object came and granted them technology and allowed them to flourish and colonize the solar system, but then the darkness comes and then human civilization collapses and the old colonies collapse.
01:37:59.000So there's a really cool aspect of this space-faring humanity that ended up faltering.
01:38:04.000The problem is, after several years, because when did the game come out?
01:38:39.000Yeah, it was September 2014 that got developed.
01:38:41.000There could have been so much stuff where like, By now, there could have been, like, the city's bigger, you know?
01:38:46.000I mean, the city is bigger because they've opened more areas, but, like, story-wise, they're reclaiming territory.
01:38:50.000By now, Earth should be controlled completely by humanity, and they should be setting up alternate cities, and it should- they'll be so amazing, I'd be like, this is so cool!
01:38:59.000See, people need a redemptive quality in their- whatever their wis- that's why people love Tony Soprano, or the guy from Breaking Bad, right?
01:39:05.000They're evil characters, and there's no hope, but they- they- they give a sense of redemption that people strive for.
01:39:45.000I've officially launched thecitizenjournalist.ca and have published my first article about a Canadian-wide nurse walkout in a rally against vaccine mandates and passports.
01:39:56.000Roger Eiser says, On Mark Levin's radio show earlier, he had on Larry Elder.
01:40:00.000Larry mentioned that Dianne Feinstein's health was not good.
01:40:04.000Guess who gets to pick the Senate seat if she's not present?
01:40:49.000So that's what we might end up seeing is come September 14th, a major burst of all of the remaining Republicans and not enough Democrats, but Democrats will come out too.
01:41:46.000Then I think it stands to reason, because Independents are underrepresented here, that come election day, Republicans will find that boost in percentage to flip this.
01:41:57.000However, when you factor in the fact that many Democrats also don't like Newsom and may actually vote to recall, the actual in favor of Newsom vote might only be 52, 51, 50, 49, it could be 20 for all we know.
01:42:11.000So I would just say based off the current levels, I think it's actually good news for Republicans, but it's not by no means a guarantee and may still, I actually think the probability is in Newsom's favor to be honest.
01:42:21.000I don't wish any ill on Senator Feinstein.
01:43:03.000No, that came out in the Roaring Twenties, which we're having now.
01:43:06.000So maybe her older sisters or something did the... But that means when she was a little kid... We'll do it later on the... We'll have to reinvent it.
01:43:15.000When she was a little kid, her parents were, you know, it's like when your parents played Led Zeppelin for you or whatever, or I don't know, what did it play for you?
01:43:23.000Yeah, like the music of the 50s and 60s.
01:44:38.000Crichton says, there is news that the governor of Washington state is considering a nationwide mandate that you must show you are vaccinated to enter any bar or restaurant.
01:44:46.000Our state is trying to be more left than NY or CA.
01:45:02.000I thought it was funny when I was like reading all these articles and I'm like, man, Joe Rogan's Instagram video has more views than all of those articles combined.
01:45:08.000This whole thing has made me wonder if he's actually become uncancellable.
01:45:39.000There are people who Uber won't let them have their download.
01:45:43.000PayPal won't let them use their app because of their politics.
01:45:46.000And so how do you survive in modern... I just said so casually, if the banks cancel you, that's like a violation of human rights in my opinion.
01:47:54.000Molon Labe says, Tim, Community also has a different indication of use, age 16 and older per fact sheet in FDA, while Pfizer EUA vaxxes age 12 and older.
01:48:03.000The confusion may be to protect Pfizer from legal liability, but who knows?
01:48:09.000Or it might just be that Community is a marketing product with a legal distinction, so it's approved, and they're keeping the EUA because it's for 12 and older, and Community isn't.
01:49:44.000But just like you were saying, Tim, just for the sake of a, of destroying, I don't understand that.
01:49:49.000It goes back to how I was saying earlier, man, I think that people are two different things.
01:49:52.000We've got the compassionate thinking beings and then we've got this wild, almost stupid animal that we're like, we're these intelligent things inside of these wild things.
01:50:02.000Like the brain brainstem creature is like the thinking, compassionate part of us.
01:50:06.000And then this body is dangerous and violent, stinky, and it gets.
01:51:02.000To hit on Lydia's point, there are studies that prove there was less abortions prior to Roe v. Wade.
01:51:07.000There is a lot of lies around abortion.
01:51:09.000No, it wouldn't make me feel different because I think murder and killing are different, and destroying something that's alive is different than murdering a human.
01:51:16.000So, at some point I start to consider the zygote a human, but it's just at what point?
01:51:22.000I don't necessarily think it's, I think it's brain activity.
01:52:17.000Like, if you got into a car accident, and you caused it, you'd have to pay the person, and sometimes you gotta pay for the rest of your life.
01:52:23.000And I'm like, that's actually a good point.
01:52:28.000Someone online, following the argument, someone on Twitter said, you know, if women can't have an abortion, then we need a law.
01:52:35.000I think it meant to be snarky, but then we need a law that says the men that got the woman pregnant should be responsible, and I was like, Yes!
01:53:15.000So the issue I brought up earlier to address the previous point about women's choices is that let's say there's a genuine circumstance where the woman has a real exemption and then she has to submit why she's going through this to the government and the government says, no, we deny that.
01:53:31.000I'm just like, if I had to go to the doctor and the doctor gave me a recommendation, I don't want to have to then follow up with like a state appointed representative to go file the paperwork and then be like, here's why the doctor wants to do this procedure on my balls.
01:54:52.000And so I guess maybe there's an analogy there where it's like the government goes to you and says, you're not allowed to drive because we've seen on social media, you drink a lot and we're worried you might be a drunk driver.
01:55:00.000So today you're not going to be driving.
01:55:06.000We've determined that you may actually be crazy even though we haven't, you know, we just got a warrant.
01:55:10.000So we're taking your guns away because the government has a right to intervene when it comes to health issues and you're a danger to other people.
01:55:15.000And they're like, oh, when you've got three women pregnant against their will on accident, we're going to order a vasectomy for you.
01:55:21.000Like, come on, get the government off our back right now.
01:55:23.000Yeah, slippery slope arguments are often like people roll their eyes at them.
01:55:26.000But come on, we've seen the slippery slope abused way too much by government.
01:55:30.000But I do respect the Mises Caucus guys' pro-life.
01:57:06.000I'm not, I'm not saying that to be like, ah, no, it's literally, you're like, we've, we've looked at, we've done the test and the genetic code reveals it's going to be this way.
01:57:42.000If you're against the death penalty because 4% of the time they think it's wrong, but you're okay with them aborting babies who are misdiagnosed with Down syndrome 5% of the time, I think you need to rethink that stance.
01:57:54.000What do they end up having if not Down syndrome?
01:59:49.000We'll save the screaming for the next show.
01:59:54.000O3KS says, the only reason I need to care about a stranger murdering a child is that someone has to stand up for that child and defend someone that cannot defend themselves.
02:00:02.000Good people defend the defenseless, whether you know them or not.
02:01:39.000I think the average right now is for every one child up for adoption there are 26 couples looking for that.
02:01:46.000Yes, there are serious problems in the abortion system and I do agree we need to fix that.
02:01:50.000Yeah, but I mean and obviously I mean that those 26 couples rotate but One child for 26 people who want a child is a huge need for children.
02:02:02.000Zach Tokar says support Project Veritas after their HQ got destroyed by the storm.
02:03:22.000But like, the little chick is born, and a second later, it's pecking water, and it's pecking, and it starts eating.
02:03:27.000But like, I watched my sheep get born, and within four minutes, they're like up, and they're walking, and then a baby is born, as you experienced, and it's like, they're useless for so long.
02:04:05.000It's an ongoing issue that many fundamental studies in many domains of science cannot be replicated, meaning they may be totally inaccurate.
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02:07:18.000And I wanted to announce, you guys, today is our 365th episode, which means that if you go back to the first one, you can listen to a year's worth of news every single day.
02:07:28.000I don't know why you would want to do that, but you can.
02:07:30.000We've officially hit 365, so I'm pretty pleased with that.