On this week's episode of The Uncensored Show, we're joined by Charlie Kirk and Libby Emmons of The Postmillennial and Human Events to talk about the Trump Indictment and the implications for the future of the country if Donald Trump doesn't surrender.
00:00:40.000And, you know, we got to—Charlie Kirk is hanging out, and we were talking earlier, so I think Charlie might disagree, but I was saying this earlier on my morning show, that if you want to explain to people just how close we are to societal collapse or the precipice, just tell them, ask them, what happens if Donald Trump doesn't surrender?
00:01:46.000So we're going to talk about a lot of that.
00:01:49.000Plus, we do have some silly social issues, I guess, because Elon Musk changed the Twitter logo to Doge, and then Doge spiked like 40% or whatever.
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00:03:41.000I just want to point out that Charlie's wearing a button-up shirt collared with a tie, Libby's wearing a button-up shirt slightly more relaxed, I'm wearing a button-up shirt completely unbuttoned, and Ian is wearing a- I guess a lavender- what is that?
00:04:18.000Trump returns to New York to face historic criminal charges.
00:04:22.000So, as I stated in the opening of the show, if Donald Trump made the decision not to surrender, I think this country would get ripped apart.
00:04:29.000New York would be complaining he's criminally wanted.
00:04:39.000The feds probably wouldn't move in, but Donald Trump, I believe, cares about this country.
00:04:44.000And so, I think he realizes what would happen if he does defy this indictment.
00:04:51.000I also think he sees a tremendous benefit as his polling has skyrocketed, his fundraising has skyrocketed, so he's saying, you know what?
00:04:57.000I'll give you exactly what you want and you will regret it.
00:04:59.000So, the latest story is, President Trump returned to New York from his Florida estate Monday to face historic booking and arraignment on hush money charges.
00:05:06.000They say that, but it's 34 counts, so it could be more.
00:05:09.000They say already months into a third campaign to reclaim the White House, Trump and his advisers seem to relish the attention.
00:05:16.000Cable networks followed his plane at airports in Florida and New York with video from there.
00:05:21.000I mean, I view this as a complete backlash, a complete backfiring for Democrats.
00:05:25.000He raised $5 million, $4 million in a day, $5 million over two days.
00:05:30.000His polling is up 30 points, 33 points.
00:05:34.000Ron DeSantis has completely collapsed against him in the GOP primary.
00:05:37.000Trump could not have asked for something better to help his campaign.
00:06:13.000So, I mean, God forbid Donald Trump actually gets convicted, but if that ends up happening, you have someone who's never been convicted of a crime before, so you could plea in front of the judge, like, hey, this is a—should be a misdemeanor that you call a felony.
00:06:24.000The president in New York is saying that if you lob Molotov cocktails at police cars, you don't get serious jail time.
00:06:30.000We give $21,000 to BLM rioters, my client should get community service, which I think would be hilarious to have Donald Trump do community service, but as kind of— of
00:08:26.000But outside of that, the political ramifications, I don't think it will happen.
00:08:29.000However, I do think there's a possibility the judge says, Mr. Trump, you own several high-end properties in New York City where you can easily reside.
00:08:43.000During for the duration of this trial, he will not be able to campaign and that is going to say whether or not you campaign for president is not our fault.
00:11:38.000Kravitz is in Palm Beach, so the Javits Center.
00:11:41.000And they thought they were going to a wedding and they went to a funeral.
00:11:44.000And that does massive psychological damage and trauma, and they swore a blood oath that night.
00:11:48.000Do not, do not mistake the pettiness in New York political elite.
00:11:51.000I was re-watching the debates, 2016, Trump-Hillary, and when he's like, she's like, you guys better be glad that someone with Donald Trump's temperament isn't in charge of the law in this country.
00:12:00.000And he's like, because you'd be in jail.
00:12:02.000And then he just looked at her, and they looked at each other, and I'm like, that's why they're going after him.
00:12:08.000And so Donald Trump psychologically scorned these people.
00:12:12.000And they said, we're going to get you back.
00:12:14.000And now they look—when he's arraigned tomorrow, there will be a population of New York that says, it took us seven years, but you stole that night from us.
00:12:23.000And you might have got Amy Coney Barrett, you might have got Comey, Kavanaugh, you might have got all these different people on the Supreme Court, but now we got you.
00:12:31.000But that implies this is the end of it.
00:12:35.000I mean, the DOJ, as you said, the DOJ is now looking at obstruction charges.
00:12:39.000The Secret Service is going to testify against No, it's not the end.
00:12:42.000No, no, but if we're talking about New York politics, we're talking about who is in Alvin Bragg's ear, the New York City elite, primary Hillary Clinton, that is very petty, very personal, very political.
00:12:56.000And there's other games to be played here with Jack Smith at the DOJ and the woman in Fulton County because of the phone call Trump made, which was perfectly fine.
00:13:05.000So then there's another theory that they're doing this to try to take Trump off the chessboard.
00:13:13.000This one just seems to be revenge politics.
00:13:16.000Perhaps, but I just don't see a circumstance where they can set this chain of events in motion and then appease their constituents by backing down.
00:13:28.000No, I think that's right, and therefore the room for error is almost nothing, and when you overcharge and create a crime with a, quote, exotic legal theory, as Maggie Haberman said on television, you might let a lot of people down.
00:13:42.000Again, the legal system in America is designed to allow people that are overcharged, that have good legal representation, to fight it.
00:13:51.000Now, you might be as cynical about New York as possible.
00:13:53.000I do not have faith In the pattern of behavior we've seen in the New York legal system, but everything will be examined.
00:14:01.000Every single charging sentence and syllable is going to be hyper-criticized.
00:14:07.000So there's a potential, I imagine, of this going to an appeals court.
00:14:18.000I think there's a decent percentage chance that actually happens.
00:14:24.000But in the meantime, I think we're going to see hyper-partisan, politicized law enforcement and judiciary, because too much of what I see is what I refer to as the freedom faction, which consists of disaffected liberals, libertarians, conservatives, believing, well, there's rules.
00:14:42.000And the rules say it must be done this way.
00:14:45.000And then it's like, dude, they firebombed a car and then got let go.
00:14:49.000I'm just saying that there's a lot of there's a plenty room for error for these people that think that Trump is 100% going to prison, that a lot can go wrong.
00:14:58.000That they're overcharging, they're creating a crime that doesn't exist, they're upgrading a misdemeanor to a felony.
00:15:05.000Also, Michael Cohen is going to be your star witness.
00:15:08.000I mean, the only way I see this going in Trump's favor is if after conviction it goes to an appellate court with a Trump-appointed judge, and that gives the Democrats an out of his own appointee just freedom.
00:15:20.000They're going to force him to refuse himself, yeah.
00:16:22.000Well, potentially a judge that doesn't want to get disbarred or put in front of disciplinary court.
00:16:27.000Disbarred from who in New York state court?
00:16:28.000This is interesting because you're saying nobody is going to follow the rules that exist.
00:16:33.000No New York Democrat, no New York judge is sitting there thinking, well, The Democratic establishment that controls New York State is going to disbar me.
00:16:45.000They're thinking I will be disbarred if I DON'T put Trump in jail.
00:16:50.000You might be right, but considering how insane these charges are and how damaging they are, this is far from a... We're assuming what the indictment is.
00:16:59.000We don't know exactly what's in it yet.
00:17:01.000It's far from a signed, sealed, and delivered case, right?
00:17:47.000I mean, Wisconsin has a Democrat governor.
00:17:50.000It's more sane than New York, I'll give you that for sure.
00:17:52.000What I'm getting at, though, is I think the New York political community is going to be shocked At how big of a deal this is going to be, how much their failures are going to be put on spotlight, and these people are overcharging him.
00:19:19.000I mean, the guy was a total Trump hater.
00:19:21.000He would have been the darling of the New York City elite.
00:19:24.000But maybe this is not so much about risk as it is escalation.
00:19:27.000Well, that's a separate argument, though, right?
00:19:29.000So is it about Trump or is it about trying to distract from the looming currency collapse and banking crisis to incite violence amongst the American right so that then they can clamp down on us and say, see, see, see?
00:20:55.000She went out and she was talking to some of the cops who were stationed outside the courthouse and they had all said, they were talking to her about it and they said that they were told that this wasn't going to happen for like another month and then all of a sudden they were all called up.
00:21:10.000They all were told that they had to pull doubles and they had to get out there right away and they were all kind of pissed.
00:21:15.000They were like, we didn't think this was happening now.
00:21:17.000That's also a way to agitate people and that you're just agitating the cops and their families.
00:21:23.000So the way it must be looked at, it's an indictment trying to lead to incitement.
00:21:29.000This is a direct incitement campaign where they're trying to raise the temperature in the room to try to spark a backlash that they want to be violent.
00:22:13.000But the narrative among the left is they truly believe it.
00:22:16.000So I was at a casino called Maryland Live this past weekend, and I was playing poker with the boys, as I often do and talk about, and the guy to my left said that all of the people on January 6th should be executed.
00:23:09.000We were getting along, having a great time, just having fun.
00:23:11.000Some jokes were made, some fun poker hands.
00:23:14.000And then when he got into it, he got really angry and he was just like, Those people, what I saw with my own eyes on January 6th, they should all be executed.
00:24:17.000Very unlikely. The reason I believe that if Donald Trump did not surrender,
00:24:22.000the country would collapse is because a country only exists based on confidence.
00:24:27.000It is an abstract idea that tethers people together.
00:24:31.000You look at other countries where they do not have confidence in the government, you end up with civil war.
00:24:36.000You end up with corruption, with bribery, etc.
00:24:39.000and then very little in power of the government other than guns.
00:24:43.000If Donald Trump stayed in Florida and announced to the nation, I do not find these charges to be legitimate.
00:24:50.000These are political, it's a political persecution and a witch hunt, so I'm going to completely ignore it.
00:24:56.000What precedent would be set nationally that New York was powerless to stop someone who committed what they say are felonies and Florida refuses to extradite?
00:25:55.000Imagine Ron DeSantis saying, we have no choice, I am hereby ordering state police to Mar-a-Lago to arrest and transport Trump against his will to New York.
00:26:23.000California's doing it with the gender stuff.
00:26:25.000Vermont is trying to do it and so is New York.
00:26:27.000Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia are all sanctuary cities where they defy federal law and don't work federal agents.
00:26:36.000So that's not a perfect example, but this idea of blue states and blue cities carving out their kind of own place to play, if you will. So that's one argument. The
00:26:45.000second thing is what would happen in a standoff between a former president and Florida State Troopers. It'd
00:26:57.000The question would be what would be Trump's end goal, which is why Trump is going to New York.
00:27:01.000Because the reason why Trump is in New York is he sees massive upside to this, because
00:27:06.000Alvin Bragg is doing what the other DAs decided not to do.
00:27:10.000He's raising money, he's getting points in the polls, and Donald Trump is now seeing himself, is now being positioned as the martyr of the American right.
00:27:57.000We have two completely bifurcated worldviews and cultures, one that is calling for injustice, and one that is saying it's good that Trump turned himself in to injustice.
00:28:30.000Now having Florida stand up and have the entire Florida state troopers stand down against an extradition order, that would have been interesting.
00:28:37.000But what I think does need to happen, and the only mature response that I've called for for quite some time, is Republican DAs and Republican AGs need to start indicting and investigating members of the Democrat crime family.
00:28:50.000One that we can all agree on is fraudulent is the BLM criminal enterprise.
00:28:54.000Materially benefited with $100 million in the summer of 2020, and they've been untouched.
00:28:59.000Wasn't ActBlue being used to facilitate donations to some of these organizations?
00:29:03.000Yeah, and ActBlue is a harder case to make, but we can say just with Black Lives Matter Global Network, with Patrisse Cullors, we now know there was material charitable fraud under any sort of reading, She was buying all those houses and stuff.
00:29:15.000Yeah, $6 million mansion in Malibu for a content creator's thing.
00:29:57.000That right there, So let's just pause there, and that's actually a separate one, that's not BLM Global Network, but my guess is that somebody in a red state don't—what's his name again?
00:30:08.000Is that the Global Network Foundation?
00:30:56.000BLM was the vehicle of choice for the activist left.
00:31:02.000So you go get Donald Trump in New York, then fine, we're going to go take BLM and put them on trial and go through the charitable fraud of how they raised $100 million and got $83 billion in pledges from corporate America, and where did the money go?
00:31:15.000That would be a prudent act of deterrence that would actually, I think, open up the legal conversation.
00:31:23.000And that's just one example of a hundred that I've seen.
00:31:25.000A few years ago, There were people telling me that what's happening today would never happen because the government would not allow it.
00:31:32.000That the government was secure, that the deep state apparatus, whatever you want to call it, does not allow these kinds of things because it's destabilizing.
00:32:02.000Yeah, so in 2018, the idea that Donald Trump would actually be impeached, they were like, they won't allow something like that to happen.
00:32:08.000Okay, well impeachment is different than indictment, but sure, continue, yeah.
00:32:11.000Well, but indictment wasn't even on the table.
00:32:13.000There wasn't even a criminal charges that were— Okay, I think I misunderstood what you were saying.
00:32:17.000In 2018 when I was talking about how we are heading towards a collapse or civil war, and again I stress I didn't make the idea up, a Princeton professor was talking about the Cold Civil War.
00:32:26.000Numerous outlets were talking about it.
00:33:26.000If the current trajectory continues, Everything you just said will happen.
00:33:31.000I'm a big believer in free will and agency and the ability to do something.
00:33:35.000So I'm going to use my platform to call on what the only thing I think that could stop it, which is deterrence, which is to get DAs and AGs to indict Democrat crime member families.
00:33:44.000If we don't do that, everything you're saying is true.
00:33:47.000But so my issue there is this country is so bifurcated.
00:33:51.000What you're describing would just be the exact same thing to them as it is to us.
00:34:32.000There's numerous examples throughout history where the pushback just led to an escalation until war broke out and people all killed each other.
00:35:08.000It was just the first time the United States did it.
00:35:11.000It was when I believe they coined scorched So let me just frame it, though, because I hate to reduce things to binaries, but the American right has a choice.
00:35:21.000Option one, keep doing what we are doing, which is to send strongly worded press releases and op-eds and hope things get better.
00:35:36.000I like the whole, the forgiveness arc for Donald.
00:35:39.000Like, if you're really pummeled and beaten down by society so hard and you still stand up and forgive people for it, that's a message that will resonate for thousands of years.
00:38:02.000Okay, so what you have right here is why they fear Trump.
00:38:08.000All Trump has to do is win Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin, and he's the President of the United States.
00:38:12.000Three states he won in 2016, three states that receive Zuckerberg money, three states that have elected statewide Republicans, and two states that have more Republicans registered than Democrats in Georgia and Arizona, and one state that's 50-50.
00:38:25.000This is why the Democrats are indicting Trump.
00:39:17.000I think Arizona, with the proper get-out-the-vote ballot-chasing operation, which we can talk about, is going to be fine.
00:39:26.000My philosophy, my hypothesis, is the entire United States election comes down to three states, comes down to seven counties, and this is why they fear Trump so much.
00:40:17.000Oh, not only that, but upper middle class white suburban voters are not thrilled about the idea of over-prosecution because they kind of get what that means.
00:40:29.000Let me tell you, the funny thing is this guy I'm talking to, who said execute the J6ers, which is insane to me, also said this country over-prosecutes.
00:41:03.000Donald Trump's Secret Service agents set to testify against him report.
00:41:08.000A number of Secret Service agents are set to testify as part of a federal investigation into Trump's handling of classified documents, Brett Baier said on Tuesday.
00:41:15.000The grand jury appearances are related to special counsel Jack Smith probe into the handling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.
00:41:22.000So yes, for those that are just tuning in or missed the last segment, what Charlie is saying is that actually, what is it, you said Georgia?
00:42:33.000Because a lot of these southern states actually have criminal code provisions, you can't be on the ballot if you were charged with an insurrection.
00:42:46.000So what are the chances they try and charge Trump with the most minor of minor J6-related quote-unquote insurrections, like how they're getting people on trespassing, calling them insurrectionists?
00:43:00.000What happens if they say misdemeanor, um, um, what do they call it?
00:43:22.000Democrat primary states are going to use these charges as a way for ballot access in these states that Trump would otherwise do very well in, like New York.
00:43:34.000Don't be surprised if New York, you're going to find out if the Democrat Party wants Trump or does not want Trump to be the nominee very soon.
00:43:40.000And I think they do not want him to be because he brings out a different voter no one else can bring out.
00:43:44.000If the New York State Assembly gathers and they say, if you are charged with a felony, you're not allowed to be on a primary ballot in the state of New York.
00:43:56.000If they're successful, well, Trump would then not be able to even compete for the primary delegates for the Republican nomination in the state of New York.
00:44:17.000He hasn't announced, but he's probably going to run.
00:44:18.000But we're in speculation world here, and I think it's somewhat helpful because we're now building out kind of a universe of all the different dimensions of how they're attacking Trump.
00:45:37.000What we need to do right now is, in our heart of hearts, have empathy for this man.
00:45:42.000And just let him vaguely represent the people of Pennsylvania.
00:45:45.000And take him out of this stressful, stressful position and give him comfort.
00:45:52.000I believe that Republicans in this country should pledge right now $1 million towards the retirement of John Fetterman to relax peacefully and carry out his medical treatment at home.
00:46:06.000And then have somebody else be the senator.
00:46:08.000Granted, I know the reality there is that it's his wife, and so we don't really want that either.
00:46:12.000She seems to really want to be the senator.
00:46:14.000She seemed to want that after you had that stroke and everything.
00:46:17.000My point is simply, like, in all seriousness, I do feel bad for the guy, because he really wanted to be a senator, and then he had a stroke.
00:46:22.000And it's got to be, like, that's the worst thing in the world, man.
00:46:31.000Well, what was really insane, too, was when it turned out that he couldn't understand anything that was said to him and that everything needed to be on a computer screen translated so that he could read it.
00:46:40.000And when we mentioned, all of us mentioned, that this was perhaps going to make being in Senate remarkably difficult, everyone accused us of... Ableism.
00:46:51.000Ableism and saying that his disability, you know, was some issue.
00:46:55.000Ableism works if it's like someone was born paraplegic or something.
00:46:59.000And we want a wheelchair ramp to help them.
00:48:12.000I believe it is algorithms on social media that manipulated young people creating.
00:48:19.000So as I've explained numerous times, 10 year olds get on Facebook in 2008 or whatever and are immediately shuffled into two different realities.
00:48:46.000They don't have the same goals for a worldview or anything like that.
00:48:50.000So how do you, if someone's entire being, their brain, their body was built on, this country is nothing but white supremacy, and someone else is built on, America is a great freedom fighting nation, civil rights, etc.
00:49:02.000You are not going to reverse 18 years of mental development.
00:49:08.000Yeah, not overnight, but not even in a few years.
00:49:10.000Especially with the decline in critical thinking in education, too.
00:49:18.000There's a lot of people that will mindlessly follow Donald Trump and Joe Biden and do what they say, which for better or worse, that's how people are built sometimes.
00:49:25.000And if they see them being kind to each other and promoting forgiveness, they'll just mindlessly do it.
00:49:44.000We're kind of creating the environment.
00:49:46.000I never saw a presidential campaign... I've never seen, like, candidates go at each other until 2016.
00:49:52.000I've never seen them hate each other until 2016.
00:49:54.000It was very out of character for the United States.
00:49:56.000You know, I think you're onto something with that, too, because prior to that, it did seem like Republicans and Democrats at least had the same goals for the country.
00:50:30.000He revealed 50 years of neoliberalism, of a fake currency, and endless global wars, and invading the world, and inviting the world, and redomiciling American industry overseas.
00:50:41.000He just exposed it, and he did it in a very blunt, sometimes clumsy, but awfully direct way, who gave the American population a Prognosis that was honest.
00:50:54.000Like, you guys got tumors everywhere and I'm gonna remove them.
00:50:57.000And then all of a sudden he's the problem for even mentioning that we have these tumors.
00:51:36.000You know, Jefferson, being a completely walking contradiction, was the one that wrote in the anti-Federalist papers he was afraid that large Republican governments can't work.
00:51:48.000So again, we're all walking contradictions in some sense, which should give you comfort that even our heroes were contradictions in some ways.
00:51:57.000This is really the question of the statesman.
00:51:59.000It's a question of someone that is able to identify the problem cogently and then be able to come up with some form of a prudent and healthy and realistic solution.
00:52:09.000And so Abraham Lincoln called it the crisis of the house divided, right?
00:52:13.000That's similar to what we're living through now, but I actually think we're even more divided in some ways than we even were leading into the American Civil War.
00:52:20.000At least there was a Christian country back then.
00:52:22.000Now we have different metaphysics and we have all sorts of different types of views.
00:52:27.000We have some things working in our favor, which is the great hope is that we can de-escalate the national politics and go back into hyper-local community and just say, I don't like the person in Portland, I don't like the person in Wichita, but I'm not going to try to imperialize their life.
00:52:46.000Until we get to that, the project is going to fall apart.
00:52:59.000It's pretty, like, kind of rudimentary.
00:53:01.000And if we could evolve into, like, a technocratic republic where we have technology, like apps, where we can govern ourselves locally.
00:53:06.000I gave Charlie this look and he's like, you know.
00:53:08.000Hear me out, because we can always go back.
00:53:09.000If the power goes out, we're still a democratic republic.
00:53:11.000But we can upgrade and govern locally, because what you just mentioned is local governance.
00:53:15.000If we could somehow send our tax dollars around locally through a local app that's free software,
00:53:19.000you can watch the code, nothing's tracking it.
00:53:22.000And if the power goes out, you can still send your representative to the central location
00:53:26.000to govern the whole from there, because that's the least worst of a bad government system.
00:53:32.000But I think we need to evolve our republic.
00:53:34.000What I think you're hitting is interesting in the sense that there are different forms of government that might be different for different people.
00:53:42.000If you leave the federal government out of this equation, people can then Have a structure that might better fit their values.
00:53:49.000The Amish are going to be a lot different than, you know, the secular nihilists in Brooklyn.
00:53:54.000Where the American Republic has gone wrong is we have an imperialist government that is invading the communities and invading the lives with an ever-urgent pattern of behavior that is telling people what to do.
00:54:51.000But what I'm saying is, as time changes and technology changes, there's probably ways to improve.
00:54:55.000However, my challenge to you, Ian, on the idea of technocracy is, or a technocratic government, whatever you want to call it, we look at how we created these algorithms on YouTube with the intent of creating more Game of Thrones.
00:55:07.000YouTube said, 10 minute long content, high watch time, that's what we want.
00:55:13.000Instead of getting Game of Thrones, what we got were weird videos of Elsa being chased by the Joker and Spider-Man with no English, because more people could watch it if there was no language, because it crossed language barriers.
00:55:27.000It had multiple keyword-generating figures in it.
00:55:30.000If we go the technocratic route, the only actual outcome is either a human being is in control of the system that we think is technocratic or we create a mechanism by which the technology aids us and then it runs haywire because it's impossible to predict.
00:55:46.000Um, you could put in stopgaps like you need your face, your social security number to use the app.
00:55:51.000It's public data so you can see who's posting what and it's only local.
00:55:55.000Someone would have to have supreme control over that system to correct errors and maintain the system.
00:55:59.000It would be open source so the whole community would be policing the software.
00:56:02.000That seems like Wikipedia, like a total disaster.
00:56:04.000And right, what'll happen is, you will then get a 51% attack or whatever, it's gonna be a network system where Democrats are gonna register a bunch of people, they're gonna say, hey, download this app on your phone, which will then make, they're gonna say, this is called SwingVote, and if everyone signs up, we can control the system.
00:56:23.000I'm thinking more of something like Public Square, where you can, it's just resource distribution.
00:57:48.000But I would challenge Ian, because I think there's a deeper philosophical point that I think Tim was hovering over.
00:57:54.000The reason why the Constitution and the Declaration are just as applicable today is because it's built on eternal truths, things that are always true.
00:58:17.000Here's a couple of problems that I think that piece of tech we were just talking about won't solve, is that our republic has become out of control in that there's 700 representatives, 700 people, 600 people in Congress.
00:58:37.000At first, I was like, get rid of the House of Representatives, and people were like, no, that's too extreme.
00:58:41.000Mike Gravel, who is a senator from Alaska, unfortunately has passed, because the man was amazing, and I love him, created this idea of national initiative, creating a fourth branch of government, where we would set up a system where the American people can pass laws into Congress, as well as the Republic.
00:59:22.000Yeah, we went people, state reps, senator.
00:59:25.000Now you say, well, the people pick the senators, but now we know they're just pseudo-celebrities and they raise a bunch of money and these elections have become just corrupt, you know, contests.
00:59:34.000But the Founders' design, which I would love to repeal the 17th Amendment, I think that'd be amazing, right?
01:00:13.000You know, that actually does make a lot of sense, because we don't have a way to hold our senators accountable other than to just not vote for them.
01:00:30.000I want to say something as to what Ian was bringing up with 775,000 people per representative.
01:00:35.000So there's something I refer to as the scaling problem that people who are fans of the show have heard me say a billion times, but for the sake of those who don't, please bear with me.
01:00:43.000If 100 celebrities were gifted a brand new iPhone Xtreme, and 1% of those phones were defective, that's one celebrity going on Instagram saying, my phone's broken!
01:01:21.000About 24 or 20 percent of her district are conservative.
01:01:24.000These people get zero representation, but 200 and some odd thousand people in that district can take over whatever they wanted.
01:01:36.000The amount of police that are in New York would not be enough, no matter what, if every single conservative individual said, no taxation without representation.
01:01:45.000We are not getting representation by Ocasio-Cortez.
01:01:48.000She rejects our values, so we reject her.
01:01:51.000Now you all of a sudden have 200,000 people marching through the streets of New York, and the police have no way to control that.
01:01:56.000Same percentage of dissent, but hundreds of thousands of people not getting any representation is cause for chaos and concern.
01:02:33.000The couple of times that I was involved in arts collectives, I wanted to tear my hair out and run screaming from the building, which eventually I did.
01:02:41.000He wrote specifically about the urban areas of America at the time, which have only gone worse.
01:02:45.000He said they have a proclivity to the insane and a posture to the—the word is beautifully poetically put—but he said that the mobs will descend into madness quickly.
01:03:21.000So you're talking more about a small-d democratized system where people can input data and allow the information to win. Look at Wikipedia. Good luck.
01:04:14.000And New Zealand politicians believed that and advocated for protesters to go out and protest her Let Women Speak event, and they nearly, you know, they went nuts.
01:04:26.000One of the funniest things ever was when I had a journalist ask me questions, and they wanted to do an interview with me, and I said, You know, please have your journalists do their homework on me before coming.
01:04:37.000And when they came, they asked a bunch of fake questions based on nonsense from Wikipedia, like, when did you invent the Zeppelins?
01:04:43.000Which is the fake, like, yeah, because the meme is for, like, five, six years, Wikipedia claimed that I built a Zeppelin.
01:05:07.000They said, you are not a reliable source.
01:05:08.000We're not a reliable source for whether or not you invented a Zeppelin.
01:05:11.000You are not allowed to be a source for yourself because bias.
01:05:14.000So Wikipedia, of course, is completely broken in that concept.
01:05:18.000But now to be fair, like a year ago, we did build a Zeppelin to retroactively make it
01:05:24.000true and then they wouldn't put it back.
01:05:27.000There's a difference between open areas where you can go do stuff on and open source software code.
01:05:33.000So, like, you might have an open place where people can go and be, but you're patrolling it and policing it in a way that people don't like.
01:05:41.000But if the code is available so that I could spin up my own Wikipedia tomorrow, and I have my local Wikipedia, and it's like, yo, this is what we believe in this area, man.
01:05:54.000I mean, this is just how we see the world.
01:05:56.000That, I think, is a lot better than trying to just focus all the data into one big, open platform.
01:06:05.000And we could maybe do the same with government, because I feel right now Congress is Wikipedia.
01:06:09.000They're deciding what is getting passed into the Senate, they're deciding what's getting said no to, and it's too much control of information.
01:08:18.000And the original project, and this is why I think we're at in 2023, states created the federal government, the federal government did not create the states.
01:08:26.000And we're in a place now where everybody thinks the federal government created the states, and that is not true.
01:08:30.000People also think the federal government gave us our rights, which is also not true.
01:08:34.000And so I don't want to get too far into the example because I haven't thoroughly read it or heard the arguments or counterpoints, but my initial reaction is that it's a bad idea Restoring states' rights and putting power back to localities, I think, can de-escalate our tension, can de-radicalize our politics, can get us back to live and let live and leave me alone, and can hopefully restore liberty.
01:08:59.000I somewhat agree, I somewhat disagree.
01:09:01.000The challenge, I suppose, is what we saw with the Civil War, when you had the attempted expansion of slavery, and you ended up with bleeding Kansas.
01:09:10.000So, let's try and apply states' divisions to a modern era.
01:09:15.000People tell me all the time, federalism is the answer.
01:09:17.000A weaker federal government, more power to the states, and it's like, okay, then someone from Texas will be in a relationship with a woman who will get pregnant, She will get mad eight months in and say, I'm going to flee to Colorado to terminate the life of this baby.
01:09:31.000The guy in Texas is going to be like, that's illegal under Texas law, and she'll say, then I'll go to Colorado and you can't stop me.
01:09:36.000Now you're going to have a question of, what do either state do?
01:09:40.000Colorado will say the woman can terminate the baby at eight and a half months, and Texas will be like, that's kidnapping and murder.
01:09:45.000Is Texas going to send troops into Colorado to save the life of this man's son because his woman wants an abortion?
01:09:51.000The Democrats will view that as insane.
01:09:53.000They won't get an abortion if she wants to, no matter what age the baby is.
01:10:00.000So the federal government being stronger and preventing...
01:10:07.000What I'm trying to say is, I don't see a solution.
01:10:10.000Let's imagine a strong federal government takes the woman from Colorado and says, you can't kill the baby, you're a Texas resident, Texas law says this, this is kidnapping, and brings her back.
01:10:19.000Now the left goes insane, saying women are being forced to give birth.
01:10:22.000Let's say the federal government stops Texas and says, the woman is free to live where she wants and she's getting abortion.
01:10:28.000Let's say there's no federal government.
01:10:30.000You're gonna get a dude... Let's step outside the abortion debate and let's talk about the trans kids thing.
01:10:38.000And let's say a man and a wife have a kid.
01:10:41.000She decides the kid is trans and takes him to California without the man's permission and the federal government says we will not get involved.
01:10:49.000The question is at what point does some father say, I will not sit back and wait for my son to be castrated and then get a posse and bring him to California.
01:10:58.000Like, the conflict will happen with people fleeing other states in this way.
01:11:02.000Well, you know what's interesting about this?
01:11:03.000There's some breaking news you should look at, by the way.
01:11:23.000Okay, wow, District Attorney Bragg just illegally leaked the various points and complete information on the pathetic indictment against me.
01:12:35.000Which is governed by the Federal Election Commission, not the New York DA.
01:12:39.000But also the idea that President Trump's campaign would have been adversely affected by him allegedly having had a relationship with a porn star is also ridiculous.
01:12:50.000I don't think anyone would have cared about that.
01:12:52.000Like, I don't think that suppressing that information was necessarily helpful to the campaign.
01:12:56.000There's so many attack vectors here that are just so silly.
01:13:31.000He did it, but that's a separate issue.
01:13:33.000But you could have a 400-count indictment for fleeing the police and running a red light and, you know, he was in the Dodge Durango—remember that white Dodge Durango or whatever he was in?
01:13:58.000Again, this is why prosecutorial overreach is so incredibly, you know, severe and such a danger to our society is that this 34 count thing is a PR masterpiece.
01:14:11.000Because if Donald Trump was indicted on one count, but 34 sounds serious, did he break in?
01:14:19.000And remember, a lot of the statutes in the way the criminal code is written is not about the actual crime itself.
01:14:26.000Usually it's about all the supporting different criminal codes they can get that you tripped the wire in the process of committing the crime, right?
01:14:35.000The old adage is that they got Al Capone on taxes.
01:14:39.000The better one is that they've overwritten the criminal code.
01:14:42.000They've deepened it to such an extent.
01:14:44.000Wire fraud, check fraud, you know, falsification of records, lying under oath, obstruction of justice, that eventually it creates these counts that can give the prosecutor an advantage.
01:14:57.000It's like having your bank account go to negative and then every day you make a payment and you just keep getting these negative charges over and over and over again, but it's really only because that one— No, that's— Say it was done unjustly.
01:15:45.000Yeah, Jesse Waters apparently, I think, was just quoting Trump, perhaps, saying that there's more evidence that Bragg committed a felony than Trump.
01:15:51.000Okay, well Trump seems pretty forceful in this statement.
01:15:54.000And Waters was on air two hours ago, so I don't think that's right.
01:15:57.000I think that Trump just got a heads up from a reporter that this indictment's about to drop in a story.
01:16:01.000Or a reporter emailed his team saying, we've got the indictment.
01:16:04.000I know the reporter, and unfortunately does he.
01:16:06.000It's Maggie Haberman, I can almost guarantee it.
01:16:08.000There's only so many reporters he knows that he would say he knows.
01:16:11.000I will put money, it's Maggie Haberman.
01:16:13.000If I'm wrong, I will finish this glass of water.
01:16:15.000Would Bragg have just given a reporter the indictment?
01:16:57.000I mean, the New York Times, via Haberman, remember, received Donald Trump's tax returns in October 2020 illegally and was never held criminally accountable for that.
01:17:06.000The same thing they went after James O'Keefe for, remember?
01:17:08.000They raided James O'Keefe's apartment for allegedly receiving A diary, which is not even... They said it was stolen.
01:17:16.000Yeah, stolen, even though government tax returns are a much higher privacy threshold than a private diary that you obviously didn't care enough about to get out of a halfway house.
01:17:44.000They were leaking to CNN previously, too.
01:17:46.000But my guess is that Trump says I know him.
01:17:48.000Remember, Maggie got several Oval Office interviews with Trump and that's one of his, you know.
01:17:53.000That's one of his, uh, you know, and by the way, we have to remember that if the foundational crime allegation against Trump falls apart, all of the 33 charges crumble.
01:18:03.000So if you're able to get to the essence of the charge, which is did Donald Trump break finance campaign finance law by administering $130,000 payments?
01:19:18.000Michael Cohen administered the payment.
01:19:21.000Michael Cohen wrote in an official letter to the FEC, the Federal Election Commission, That this payment was on his own behalf and Donald Trump never reimbursed him.
01:19:30.000So the question will be, do they have a record of Donald Trump reimbursing Michael Cohen for a sum or a like sum that could convince a jury that that Michael Cohen lied to the FEC?
01:20:38.000Yeah, Michael Cohen, who's a convicted liar, went to jail for lying in front of Congress.
01:20:43.000And so, you know, this thing, if they can, if the elemental charge, which is falsification of business records, right, is the whole ballgame here.
01:20:53.000Regarding, did he pay Cohen back for it?
01:20:55.000I saw a check a year later paid for $35,000.
01:21:07.000And remember, Cohen's own lawyer, Costello or something, this guy went on Tucker, he was very persuasive, said Cohen's a liar.
01:21:13.000And Cohen's such a liar that he goes and signs away his attorney-client privilege.
01:21:19.000So that his lawyer then is able to go on television and say, yeah, everything he told us under attorney-client seal, let me just tell you, this guy's a complete liar.
01:21:27.000They added the statement after the story dropped.
01:22:18.000It's just we've seen how damaged it's been over the last 70 years by the banking, Federal Reservists, you know, the way they've made the Federal Reserve is scandalous.
01:22:26.000The way that they went to that island and had Congress sign it over Christmas.
01:22:49.000When people see like, oh look how horrible this country has become, for instance, with this banking Scandal, you know, where our country looks like it's on its way to bankruptcy.
01:22:58.000You got to ask yourself, do you want to maintain this country now?
01:23:02.000And I think that what helps is perspective, because I was just watching about North Korea last night.
01:23:07.000And, you know, it's very possible that Otto Warmbier story, he came back all comatose.
01:23:12.000They think they just the North Korean government just poisoned him and sent him back so that he couldn't talk.
01:23:39.000Which is like, there it is terrifyingly concerning.
01:23:42.000You know, when cult of personality goes out of control and one person gets control of a small and she gets Dior outfits and everybody else is starving.
01:23:50.000So, you know, rule of law, law and order.
01:24:18.000And then find someone who's legally allowed to give you financial advice and have conversations about what do we do in these trying times.
01:24:26.000So I was thinking about the question we were talking about with Colorado or the trans kids in California, and really these are not legal questions.
01:24:35.000I mean, we can pass all kinds of laws, we can enforce all kinds of laws, but this is a problem that exists in people's hearts, you know?
01:24:42.000Yes, that's my point about the Civil War.
01:24:45.000Like, if you have a woman who, to use your first example, is going to spite a man that she once loved by murdering their eight-month-old child before it's born. But this happens
01:24:54.000all the time. There was a story just recently. Right, but what I'm saying is that's a problem in
01:24:58.000someone's heart. That's not something a law can fix. That's something that's about the decline of
01:25:03.000morality, the decline of values, the decline of love, you know? Here you go.
01:25:28.000So when we're talking about states that allow the killing of children and states that don't, my fear Is that you will get a father who will say something as simply as, she has no right to take my son and kill him.
01:25:45.000I'm gonna get the boys together and we're gonna go and stop her from doing it.
01:25:49.000They're not gonna- I'm not saying they're gonna come out and get guns and be like, it's time to ride boys!
01:25:54.000I'm saying they're going to be like, let's go find out where she is and stop her from killing my kid, and that's going to escalate from there.
01:26:00.000The state's going to be like, she's allowed to kill your kid, too bad.
01:26:04.000And I'm talking about a point at which the child is viable and can survive outside the womb.
01:26:08.000And the husband's saying, just let's, instead of killing it, let's just deliver it and then I'll take the baby.
01:26:13.000And she says, nope, it's going to die now.
01:26:15.000This woman goes to prison because the babies were Five and fifteen.
01:26:21.000But a baby that is viable of living on its own can be killed in these states.
01:26:27.000I am not arguing the morality of abortion.
01:26:29.000For those that are listening, I am arguing simply that there will be a distinct... I agree with your vocabulary, though.
01:26:42.000If you have a father who says, I want the baby to live, and a woman who says, no, don't care, the state lets me do it, you've got a very serious moral crisis on your hands that's not going to be solved by a court order.
01:27:43.000It's subservient to the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland.
01:27:45.000Hamilton's idea of a national bank would have had actual checks and balances by Congress, not a separately chartered Federal Reserve I understand that there is a value of cohesion and having a unified currency as a country.
01:28:21.000We've got Sam Bankman free, yeah, laundering money through it, allegedly through his company.
01:28:26.000And now like, so maybe we should be able to all create our own currencies.
01:28:29.000I know it creates dissolution in some way nationally, you know, Or Bitcoin is the decentralized store of value that people are already using.
01:28:37.000It's one of them, but there's thousands.
01:29:30.000We now have the... We mean it in modern English terms, which is... They take a negative connotation, maybe because it's near the end of the story in the Bible, is that why?
01:31:37.000These are fast-developing countries with very industrious people, with ever-increasing private property rights, which is a prerequisite to wealth creation.
01:32:03.000I totally agree with that, but I think we can onshore that a lot quicker because we have the natural production, meaning we have the natural production capability, we have natural resources, right?
01:32:12.000So let's just say China cuts us off, okay?
01:32:14.000Let's say they say, no more vitamin C. Okay, we could ramp up vitamin C production in this country in 10 months.
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01:34:01.000All right, we have Vision667 who says, open carry still illegal in Florida unless you are carrying a fishing pole.
01:34:07.000You can open carry on your way to and or from a fishing expedition.
01:34:44.000And I said on stage, with all of us there, I would rather everyone in that audience be armed, because it's my choice to be here to speak in front of people, and I shouldn't be allowed to disarm Hundreds of people.
01:34:57.000Now granted, a private establishment I think has the rights to say, we don't want guns in our premises.
01:35:03.000My point is, ideologically and personally, I would never tell a crowd of people, you can't defend yourselves because I'm scared of maybe one of you.
01:37:02.000Remember how that judge scorned the prosecution and said, you don't put this garbage in our courtroom and this is not—he almost threw the entire trial out because the prosecution was basically angling for a mistrial.
01:38:01.000The prosecution in that particular case crumbled when people like Tim Kast and Posobiec and Drew Hernandez started to do what you guys do in post-Millennium Human Events.
01:38:11.000As soon as all these different angles started to be examined, it went viral and the local prosecution crumbled.
01:38:50.000I don't think there's a reason to... Look, I think Trump and DeSantis going head-to-head could be the most beneficial thing for the Republicans going forward in that they both would make each other stronger.
01:39:02.000Competition will breed that growth, in my opinion.
01:39:05.000There's no reason to make it dark, though.
01:40:25.000Ballot chasing is politely reminding and persuading people to go vote early, and you have a person with a thousand names, and you're going to chase those ballots until they're submitted.
01:40:36.000And you have a 100 people doing that or 250 people doing that.
01:40:41.000They are banking votes while we are hoping votes will happen.
01:40:46.000While doing it as securely as possible for low propensity Republican voters.
01:40:51.000With mail-in voting, which will still be in effect to a certain degree, because once people sign up in many states, they just keep getting them.
01:41:11.000That's going to be the number one piece of persuasion.
01:41:14.000And so if you can convince them that it's still a moral duty to vote and be like, hey, I can walk you to the mailbox or I can drive you to the voting processing center.
01:41:23.000All of a sudden now you're actively involved in the process of banking votes.
01:43:30.000Someone tweeted, I think it was Marjorie Taylor Greene or somebody, that the FBI still has a picture of him as wanted, but they've totally now said he's fine.
01:43:38.000I thought they took it off the website, didn't they?
01:44:50.000So remember, the RNC and DNC are about three blocks from Capitol Hill.
01:44:53.000And as the story goes, apparently the night—you could fact check me—but the night before, the morning of, a suspicious character at both the RNC and the DNC drops off some bags on the outside of it that were pipe bombs and they never went off, they never
01:45:08.000detonated. But remember the sequence of events that happened that day because it was all such a
01:45:12.000blur. But as the quote unquote capital was being breached, almost simultaneously after Trump was,
01:45:18.000we all got push notifications that pipe bombs were discovered at both the RNC and the DNC. And
01:45:24.000that became a very de-emphasized part of the story, right? Which by the way, if those bombs
01:45:29.000would have went off, would have been the most criminal intent that happened that entire day.
01:45:34.000That's legitimate political terrorism.
01:47:09.000But I don't think they would treat her, I don't think they would trust her with Deep state secrets of capital penetration.
01:47:14.000She said that when the pounding came on her door, she thought that they got to her office and found her and that she was hiding in the bathroom.
01:47:26.000When this all went down, the Republicans all said AOC wasn't even in the Capitol building.
01:47:31.000The media responded, yes, but they're all connected by tunnels.
01:47:34.000And then I responded, except her story took place one hour before the Capitol was breached, so she would not have known the Capitol was breached.
01:47:56.000And I could make an account and then respond to someone tweeting at you, Libby, saying the exact same thing, then delete it, and everyone will be like, oh, look, Libby's account.
01:48:13.000Yeah, it's funny when, you know, people claim that I'm running burners or whatever, like everyone's got one, but I don't even check my mentions on Twitter.
01:48:20.000Like, these people just think that everyone cares so much about you.
01:48:23.000That's why I'm like, I don't believe that AOC is doing this.
01:48:58.000I mean, it got kind of weird lately, but you know.
01:49:00.000I agree that a democratic technocracy would be horrific, but so that's why I want like a technocratic republic.
01:49:06.000You know, I don't want the mob in control of anything right now.
01:49:10.000All right, Villainous Black Dragon Entertainment says, Tim and Kirk, do you think Trump is playing 5D chess by using the left's tactic and play victim?
01:49:21.000Like, Democrats were trying not to indict Trump, and then this low-level dude does, and Trump goes, oh no, better raise $5 million overnight, and then go and get arraigned.
01:49:32.000His polls are skyrocketing, his revenue is skyrocketing.
01:50:17.000I mean, there is a belief out there, I find it to be unsubstantiated, that they want Trump to be the nominee and therefore they're doing this.
01:50:26.000Kyle Bigelow says, billions printed for COVID, Ukraine, and banks, now arresting a man who 75 million voted for 12 days before productivity self-incrimination day?
01:53:16.000Is Forbes a legitimate source that you billed to Zeppelin if it wasn't at the time but now it is true?
01:53:20.000My point is, if a news article says Charlie Kirk does a backflip and he never did, and then five years later he does do a backflip, the fact that it says Charlie Kirk has done a backflip is now true and correct despite it being old.
01:53:29.000But it's actually still incorrect because the date on the article is not actually reflective of when the thing happened.
01:54:47.000I just, but like, you're talking about a common occurrence of petting a dog, and I think the issue is inventing a Zeppelin is a very, very, very specific thing to do.
01:55:58.000Alright, Leo Malto says, congrats Charlie, just won the 2024 general election.
01:56:02.000How do you fix the administrative state and handle these corrupt DAs?
01:56:06.000You repeal, you immediately enact, I think it's called Title 50, or whatever it is, that allows Donald Trump to fire federal officials at will.
01:56:17.000You immediately put in Schedule F. And then, I, if you want, I will vote for Trump.
01:56:23.000If he does one thing right now, if Donald Trump puts out a video where he's wearing a hood like the Emperor, and he goes, EXECUTE SCHEDULE F, and then it plays the Star Wars song, and then you see a bunch of people just carrying- Order 66 or whatever it's called, right?
01:56:37.000Yeah, and then it's people carrying boxes out of offices, and it plays a Star Wars theme, and it's all dramatic, and then Trump goes, I would be like I am voting for him and nothing will stop it at this point.
01:56:46.000DeSantis could ride a Pegasus into the sunlight with a golden sword.
01:56:51.000Trump did the thing with the schedule F. He's getting my vote.
01:58:17.000The point is that you reallocate these federal departments out of the kingdom of Washington, D.C., and then you actually change the personnel.
01:58:25.000And that's one of the ways that you actually change the administrative state.
01:58:28.000And the third thing is that personnel is policy, and Trump needs to get 50 absolute stone-cold killers around him if he wins another term that are ready to go fire people immediately, purge the bureaucracy of these double-minded people, and just issue pink slip after pink slip after pink slip.
01:58:46.000So they say, some say he never drained the swamp.
01:58:49.000Others say he did drain the swamp and it exposed the swamp monsters under the water.
01:58:54.000And if that's the case, now he needs to come down and gently guide these folks into a nice bus where they can be driven off to comfortably retire and sit in little chairs in sunrooms.
01:59:04.000And then I wish them nothing but happiness, but away from the seats of government.
01:59:08.000Yes, and so Trump Term 2, he needs to govern with urgency and a vengeance against these very people that tried to impeach him twice, people that have tried to destroy this country, and the administrative state needs to be the primary focus of Trump Term 2.
01:59:25.000It is out of control, it's unchecked, these people are unelected, they have unknown amounts of power, you don't even know the face to them, and I mean, just the CDC alone is worthy of just a massive purge, let alone the FBI.
01:59:37.000The vengeance thing makes me nervous because I was watching Hitler's speeches last night and when you have an enemy and you're campaigning and you're like, the bad guy, the bad guy, you hear people in the crowd screaming stuff like, get him!
01:59:47.000And you're like, no, no, we're not doing that to this world.
02:00:04.000here we got Nehru says the permitless carry in Florida takes effect July 1st
02:00:08.000they finally put age to buy firearms back to 18 gotta take the win at
02:00:13.000DeSantis for president won't happen also Matt Gaetz for Florida governor 2027 and
02:00:17.000Bocas espresso blend for the win ah perhaps perhaps Yeah, a Bocas espresso might be good.
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