Trump is under investigation for a second time, Biden is accused of bribing a Ukrainian prosecutor, and Ron DeSantis is using AI to make fun of Trump kissing Dr. Joe Fauci. Plus, we talk about the latest in the Biden and Trump scandals.
00:00:00.000Donald Trump has just announced that he has been informed he has been indicted by the
00:00:26.000federal government by Biden's DOJ relating to the classified documents in his home.
00:00:32.000This coming on a day when a new report has come out showing that Joe Biden received a bribe to fire the Ukrainian prosecutor from someone in Burisma.
00:00:43.000Or I want to make sure we're very careful and very clear.
00:00:46.000We've got what appears to be FBI confirmation that Joe Biden was bribed.
00:00:50.000The bribery is related to firing the prosecutor.
00:00:53.000What many people long suspected or believed.
00:00:56.000We got a lot of big breaking news to talk about.
00:00:58.000Donald Trump being indebted for the second time.
00:01:00.000He'll likely be indebted a third time in Georgia.
00:01:02.000And then we have The Ron DeSantis campaign using AI images of Trump hugging and kissing Dr. Fauci.
00:01:09.000Now, to be honest, that one's substantially less consequential than the others, but it does pertain to the election and everything, so I think we should bring it up.
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00:03:28.000All right, we have this from Truth Social.
00:03:30.000Donald Trump has posted, saying, The corrupt Biden administration has informed my attorneys that I have been indicted seemingly over the boxes hoax.
00:03:39.000Even though Joe Biden has 1,850 boxes at the University of Delaware, additional boxes in Chinatown, D.C., with even more boxes at the University of Pennsylvania, and documents strewn all over his garage floor where he parks his Corvette, and which is, quote, secured by only a garage door that is paper thin and open much of the time.
00:03:58.000He continues, I have been summoned to appear at the federal courthouse in Miami on Tuesday at 3 p.m.
00:04:06.000I never thought it possible that such a thing could happen to a former president of the United States who received far more votes than any sitting president in the history of our country and is currently leading by far all candidates both Democrat and Republican in polls of the 2024 presidential election.
00:04:23.000This is indeed a dark day for the United States of America.
00:04:27.000We are a country in serious and rapid decline, but together we will make America great again.
00:04:33.000Elon Musk has chimed in responding to ALX posting this saying, there does seem to be far higher interest in pursuing Trump compared to other people in politics.
00:04:43.000Very important the justice system rebut what appears to be differential enforcement or they will lose public trust.
00:04:50.000Elon, I appreciate the sentiment, but you are a couple years too late.
00:04:55.000The federal indictment by the Biden DOJ is direct election interference.
00:05:00.000It is subversion of the United States election.
00:05:03.000It's just I don't even know what to say other than, you know, look man, I don't see how this country remains on this path.
00:05:11.000I don't see how the United States stands and continues to function when you've got the sitting president filing an indictment against his chief rival.
00:05:20.000And the same day, and we'll get to it in a minute, where evidence is coming out proving Biden is corrupt and was taking bribes.
00:05:28.000The entire political establishment has been for a very long time and we've seen selective prosecutions occur.
00:05:33.000I think in the case of Dinesh D'Souza, it was very obvious that his prosecution was politically motivated, though he did commit a crime.
00:05:39.000It's one that typically Is not pursued in one which almost never carries the penalty which he received, which was jail time.
00:05:45.000So this has been happening for a while here and now they're just moving on to higher and higher profile people like the former president of the United States and one of the number one polling people who's currently running in 2024.
00:05:55.000When Donald Trump said that if he was in charge of the justice system in the United States, Hillary Clinton would be in jail.
00:06:01.000In an absolutely brilliant moment, which was hilarious and very rhetorically effective, the response from the media was, this sets a very dangerous precedent.
00:06:08.000Now, I think it's a little bit different, right?
00:06:10.000Because there are things that Hillary Clinton has done that we can point to and say, almost anyone else who had done these things would at the very least be investigated and very likely be prosecuted.
00:06:21.000Now with Donald Trump, what they're trying to nail him for is having classified documents, even though he as president had the authority to declassify them and did so.
00:06:32.000So there's absolutely nothing here, but they want to lock him up because He is setting an example for the American people, and so now they need to make one out of him.
00:06:41.000I sure think that Trump... I bet Trump regrets not prosecuting Hillary Clinton.
00:07:57.000I think context here is very important.
00:07:59.000So Donald Trump will be the first former president who's ever been indicted on something.
00:08:03.000This is the second time he's going to be indicted.
00:08:05.000So first, in New York City, the Manhattan District Attorney was working with a grand jury to indict Trump for these so-called hush money payments to Stormy Daniel.
00:08:13.000Now we have the Department of Justice looking into these classified documents.
00:08:17.000The second indictment that's ever come up.
00:08:19.000Also, there's, I think, potentially a third indictment that's going to come from Georgia surrounding efforts to potentially, with what he said, With looking for votes with that whole scandal.
00:08:32.000There's also another civil suit against the Trump organization about lying to lenders and insurers about his assets.
00:08:38.000But what's key here is that this is the first former president to be indicted.
00:08:41.000And I know there's a myth that nobody's above the law, but guess what?
00:08:43.000The president and former presidents actually are above the law.
00:08:47.000There's a lot of things that people could have thought of to indict former presidents on.
00:08:52.000Barack Obama droned American citizens overseas.
00:08:55.000Whether or not some people think that's justified, that's something that could potentially be indicted on.
00:08:59.000People call George Bush, say that he started an illegal war in Iraq.
00:09:03.000But no, the first indictment of a former president that we're seeing is initially for hush money payments and now this declassified document.
00:09:08.000Eli, you're going to start making me support this.
00:09:11.000I mean, if this opens the door for us to go after former presidents and prosecute them, man, I hope he gets off and he should, but let's do it.
00:09:23.000If they indicted Trump over the commando raids in Yemen that resulted in the death, allegedly, the death of an American girl, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki's sister, that one is more conjecture than Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, but should be investigated.
00:09:35.000If they indicted him for that, said an investigation found this to be the case, I'd be like, well, what do you want me to say?
00:09:41.000You order these raids and you kill American citizens, you get charged.
00:10:08.000It's also dangerous, though, because when a Republican president will eventually get back into office, we will see attorney generals in different states say, hey, let's go indict a former Democrat.
00:10:18.000Let's go investigate until we find something.
00:10:19.000A good prosecutor could indict a rock.
00:10:21.000So we don't know what the indictment is right now.
00:10:28.000Which is kind of a joke and years ago they got Martha Stewart on a process crime So when you bring enough of a staff in front of the grand jury and somebody forgets one little thing because they can't have the exact memory Oh, you're lying.
00:10:40.000So it's very easy when you have the whole weight of the Justice Department behind you millions of dollars They can get you on anything.
00:10:48.000They're not gonna get him that he's holding documents because he's ex-president then you'd have to go get Biden you'd have to go get Pence and You have to go get Obama, so it's just going to be a silly process crime, but they want to stop Trump from running, and they want to stop him from... Do you guys want to see when a Republican is eventually president again, that attorney generals from red states go after former Democrats?
00:11:45.000We had to end slavery and, you know, it was a big problem.
00:11:48.000But this is like, he said, she said, he's carrying a box of documents, he signed this paperwork, he ordered that kill, he ordered that kill.
00:11:56.000Like, yo, it's the biggest military in the world, it's the most dangerous machine on earth, and someone's got to point the buttons, point the guns.
00:12:05.000There's so many more bigger problems on earth that we should be focused on than arresting past political opponents.
00:12:14.000It's a dangerous escalation of a tit for tat is what's going to happen. Well, this is what's really shocking
00:12:20.000I shouldn't say shocking but something worth pointing out and it's that
00:12:23.000There are two segments of the population and they're relatively large demographics
00:12:29.000Okay These are people who are either in category a willfully
00:12:32.000ignorant or in category b not willfully ignorant Who believe that this is the first time since nixon that an
00:12:40.000american president has done something?
00:12:43.000worthy of pursuing with an indictment or charges.
00:12:48.000There are people who are looking at this and they're saying, oh my goodness, all of our presidents have behaved within the law and haven't committed war crimes, haven't betrayed the American people, haven't betrayed their oath of office, and then Donald Trump came along and there are good reasons to indict that man and the best of them is that he had declassified documents that he declassified himself.
00:13:13.000Well, the remarkable thing is, the logic makes no sense, if Trump can't declassify anything at any time, then he's literally not the authority of this country to have conversations pertaining to war.
00:13:23.000How can you be the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, and then, this is the example I gave last time, it's like you meet with Vladimir Putin, and he's like, you know, I want you to move these missiles out of this territory.
00:14:01.000The president has plenary declassification powers.
00:14:03.000He can literally just be like, these are no longer classified.
00:14:06.000So I had them on me, therefore they're not classified anymore.
00:14:09.000He did say they were declassified, but they're like arguing there's some kind of formal process
00:14:14.000by which the president does not need to get approval from someone else.
00:14:18.000But they're not going after him on this.
00:14:20.000Basically the report is that they're charging him with losing possession of classified documents
00:14:26.000or something like that, or of sensitive national security documents.
00:14:30.000So they're actually trying to avoid the question of whether or not he classified or declassified
00:14:34.000by saying it's a totally different law.
00:14:36.000Now losing control of secured documents is something Hillary Clinton did when she would
00:14:41.000forward all that stuff to Jake Sullivan.
00:14:43.000Like out of her 30,000 emails or whatever she had, I should have one that I could pull up right now that was legitimate national security risk.
00:14:51.000But she was, as far as I understand, not supposed to be forwarding Secretary of State documents to this guy Jake Sullivan.
00:14:59.000Well, Ian, I think there's a good argument to be made that every single one of the 30,000 emails that Hillary Clinton deleted was a potential national security risk if she were to be elected for one very simple reason.
00:15:09.000She didn't want people to see those emails and there was a receiver, which means there were people who would have the leverage over the sitting President of the United States of being able to release these emails that she deleted when she was subpoenaed.
00:15:21.000That in and of itself means that someone else could end up pulling the strings, or someone else could end up being in a position where the president owes them this favor because they have blackmail.
00:15:30.000You mean because someone else received documents from Hillary that means anyone could have them?
00:15:35.000Well no, my point is, so Hillary Clinton has these 30,000 emails, and then she deletes all of them.
00:15:40.000Because she clearly doesn't want an investigation to be looking into those emails.
00:15:44.000She doesn't want the American people to see them.
00:15:47.000She can only delete those emails on her end.
00:15:49.000She can't go into the inbox of every person who received one of those emails and then delete it, which means there are people who had the emails that she didn't want the public to see, which means those people have dirt on her.
00:16:00.000Have, you know, quote-unquote, information that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.
00:16:03.000And for as much as we joke about what happens to those people, and for as much as I've said, I think the real black pill is that no amount of information will lead to the arrest Yes, of Hillary Clinton.
00:16:11.000The fact is, it is a massive liability for the President of the United States to have information out there that people can blackmail them with.
00:16:17.000Yeah, I think they're sending it on a Blackberry.
00:16:18.000CNN's reporting that it's seven counts in the indictment, according to sources.
00:16:23.000They came out with, for the first one, like 31 counts, I think, of that first indictment.
00:16:27.000And it was like, this is the same count for, it was like one problem, because the one problem was, you know, in 30 different emails, they were like, it's 30 different counts.
00:16:49.000I was kind of glad he didn't go through with it, and I was devastated when he said that on stage, because it really did set a precedent.
00:16:54.000I said Trump's not the only president with classified document problems because Joe Biden's also under investigation right now for something similar handling the mishandling of classified documents so maybe we should speed up that investigation too.
00:17:08.000Well now we're taking it a step further because a VP can't declassify and neither can a senator, right?
00:17:13.000He's the president now but there's reason to believe that he stored these while he was VP or while he was a senator.
00:17:20.000But going back to what Hillary, it was only James Comey, that brilliant FBI director we had at the time, sat in front of a major press conference and said, she did ten things wrong, but I'm not going to pursue her.
00:17:32.000Could you imagine Merrick Garland or Jack Smith saying, well, Trump did ten things wrong, but we're not going to go after him.
00:17:45.000No, yeah, it was, um, the documents were specifically discovered in a place that he was using before the start of the 2020 campaign, right?
00:17:52.000So these documents Biden had, had to have been collected while he was either VP or in the Senate.
00:17:56.000In either case, he could not declassify.
00:17:59.000I mean, if he got them in 2017, he wasn't even serving in any capacity at that point.
00:18:03.000So Joe Biden is actually, at the same time as Trump is being indicted, Joe Biden is being implicated in a bribery scheme, which it's expanding, we've known about it.
00:18:13.000Fox News reports, Joe Biden allegedly paid $5 million by Burisma executive as part of a bribery scheme according to FBI document.
00:18:21.000Biden's son Hunter was a board member of Burisma and also allegedly in on the scheme.
00:18:30.000The Post Millennial reports, MTG reveals FBI informant reported Biden was bribed to have the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma.
00:18:41.000MTG held an emergency event after reading the FBI's FD1023 form that alleges a bribery scheme involving Joe Biden during his days as vice president, revealing that payments were made to the Biden family by Burisma, the Ukrainian oil company which Hunter Biden sat on the board of.
00:18:56.000Back in 2015-16, Burisma was looking to buy a US-based oil and gas company, and this came from being advised by Hunter Biden, advised by Hunter Biden and his partners.
00:20:13.000I get the point you're making, but it's a false equivalency because With the stored documents, Biden had no power to declassify, and Trump did.
00:20:22.000So when people say these are the same thing, it's like, well no, it's not!
00:20:29.000I don't know how to verify if they declassified it, because what if Obama's like, oh yeah, I declassified all that stuff Biden's got in his garage?
00:21:01.000Maybe, but we have no reason to believe it.
00:21:03.000Man, I want to know more about this FBI release.
00:21:06.000If you took, we're all into politics, we watch this every day, but if you took an average group of people that didn't watch politics and you lined them up and you said, the crime, Trump had documents, Biden 5 million, so and so.
00:21:20.000I guarantee 90% of us that what Biden did is by far the worst.
00:21:24.000And Tim, if you Google right now, I bet nobody has this covered in the media.
00:23:05.000Yeah, but do you think that's what the move here was to make it seem like we're going after Trump and then make, you know, all the Republicans defend him?
00:23:12.000Because now, what is DeSantis going to say about this?
00:23:14.000Well, I don't know what the move was or whether it was intentional, but what I will say is, even though earlier I alluded to the fact that there are some Americans out there and a disturbingly large number of Americans who think that You know, this is the first time in decades a president has done anything illegal or worth civil authorities looking into.
00:23:31.000The reality is most people do know that's not true.
00:23:35.000And so when one president is indicted by a system that they know is corrupt and that they know allows for elites to commit crimes and is allowed for other presidents to commit crimes, they go, Interesting.
00:23:48.000He must be doing something that's different from all the things these political leaders have been doing to screw us for a very long time.
00:23:53.000I think people on both sides of the aisle and moderates can see that.
00:23:56.000If you're a democratic strategist, you want Trump in the general, and then I don't, I mean, indictments are political, all of this is obviously political, but then indicting him to try to make him more More popular in the primary would be a decent democratic strategy.
00:24:14.000Oh, you make him more popular in the primary than in the general?
00:24:16.000You make it so he can't, that he has to step out?
00:24:18.000You want him in the general because theoretically DeSantis does better against Biden, but also I'm thinking if you're indicted, it doesn't play as well to a general audience as it would to a primary audience.
00:24:29.000The vibe I get is that they want to make it so that Donald Trump cannot run for president again, which is going to inflame so many millions and tens of millions of people.
00:24:38.000Why on hell's green earth would they do that?
00:24:41.000I mean, maybe they really believe that Donald Trump would win.
00:24:45.000This one person has the authority to pardon him.
00:25:36.000I don't know if that was the right play by Trump to be posting about this, because we would be just going heavy into Hunter Biden, the crack, the diary, all of this stuff.
00:25:45.000Instead, it's like, yes, Joe Biden did this thing.
00:25:48.000He fundraised so much after the first indictment.
00:25:51.000I'm sure he's going to raise a ton of money after the second indictment, too.
00:25:55.000But so this is an interesting point you're making because I've said in the past I think it's very possible that the left-wing establishment is trying to engage in another attempt at the Pied Piper strategy.
00:26:05.000They want him to try to run for president or not just try but for him to get the nomination because they think he'll lose a general election.
00:26:12.000But I've heard other people who believe that Trump would lose the general election kind of make the opposite argument to the one you're making.
00:26:18.000So I was having a conversation with Will Chamberlain a couple of months ago on my podcast, and this was right when the documents being found at Joe Biden's house Was a news story and I asked him, why do you think that they would be leaking this now?
00:26:31.000And his response was basically, I think the reason they're leaking this now is because they don't want to prosecute Trump because that might prevent him from running and they want him to run.
00:26:40.000So I think prosecuting him or not prosecuting him could be taken as the Democrats wanting him to be able to run in 2024.
00:28:10.000Then Joe Biden becomes president and now is going after Trump, presumably because he's the only one who knows.
00:28:17.000Not literally, but he's going after the guy that tried to take him down.
00:28:20.000And if Donald Trump gets elected, you know Joe Biden's in serious trouble and his family is too.
00:28:26.000So Biden's probably like, screw it, burn it all down.
00:28:30.000But I mean, this is what really tricks me out, man, is that these people would put selfish needs and wants and desires ahead of the good of humanity.
00:29:08.000Very sadly, we're a nation in decline, and yet they go after a popular president, a president that got more votes than any sitting president in the history of our country, by far.
00:29:22.000And did much better the second time in the election than the first.
00:29:27.000And they go after him on a boxers hoax, just like the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, and all of the others.
00:29:34.000This has been going on for seven years.
00:29:36.000They can't stop because it's election interference at the highest level.
00:29:40.000There's never been anything like what's happened.
00:30:08.000But when you look at what's happened to our country in the last three years, we were energy independent, we had a strong military that wasn't woke, we were doing so well, we were respected all over the world, got the biggest tax cuts in history, biggest regulation cuts in history.
00:31:52.000But it's called election interference.
00:31:54.000They're trying to destroy your reputation so they can win an election.
00:31:59.000That's just as bad as doing any of the other things that have been done over the last number of years, and especially during the 2020 election.
00:32:08.000So I just want to tell you, I'm an innocent man.
00:32:53.000Unfortunately, that position is no longer valid because they've done such a poor job, but we're in a position where we're going to make America great again.
00:33:02.000I'm innocent, and we will prove that very, very soundly and hopefully very quickly.
00:33:29.000A lot of times I have this scenario with clients, and their lawyers always say, don't speak, don't speak, and I say, don't listen to lawyers, they're just gonna hold you back.
00:33:38.000It's very important that President Trump spoke right now.
00:33:42.00050, 60 million people want to hear from him.
00:35:34.000Yeah, we did a cartoon about that a little while ago and now it's happening again.
00:35:37.000It's like, I don't know why I bother to keep making these every week when the news is just reruns now.
00:35:41.000One of my favorite lines from him that he says constantly, and he said it a couple times in this speech, is that he received the most votes of any sitting president, specifically, because Biden wasn't a sitting president, obviously, at the time, but he keeps saying that.
00:35:55.000The most votes of any sitting president.
00:35:57.000He's not sitting right now, quite frankly.
00:36:06.000From a sitting president, yeah, but Biden's still got more votes.
00:36:09.000But his point is no other, uh... What is it?
00:36:12.000No other sitting president received more votes than lost?
00:36:16.000Sure, but we're a growing population with more voter participation every four years, so it's like a...
00:36:23.000We've never had more money in our economy than we do right now.
00:36:27.000COVID played a major role in why this didn't look the same way as it did, because they basically just locked everybody in boxes and then tortured them for a year.
00:36:35.000And then mail-in ballots, that played a huge role, which DeSantis said he wants to start doing aggressively, and we'll see if Trump follows up with a similar strategy.
00:36:52.000And now it's just, you know, before it was things were heating up, now at the highest level, like the fact that the Biden DOJ is just like, well I can't beat him so let's lock him in jail!
00:37:06.000If the fabric is being used to suffocate your friend and you rip the fabric to shreds and save your friend's life, then maybe that fabric needed to be ripped apart anyway.
00:37:13.000So, like, are we better off or worse off since Trump became president and not Hillary?
00:37:17.000Well, that doesn't quite make sense, right?
00:37:19.000The fabric of this country is what stops people from fighting each other in the streets.
00:37:23.000The fabric of this country is the basic rule set of, look, we're not going to indict our political rival.
00:37:29.000We're going to let people vote about these things.
00:37:31.000We're not going to make up BS charges.
00:37:33.000Right now, in the public sphere, we know for a fact Joe Biden is corrupt.
00:37:41.000We know that his family's fortunes have tracked his career in federal government.
00:37:46.000We now have another story basically confirming he was getting bribes to fire the prosecutor.
00:37:51.000Joe Biden publicly admitted he went to the president of Ukraine and said, fire the prosecutor or I will illegally withhold loan guarantees.
00:37:58.000He just came out and said it, and they don't do anything about it.
00:38:02.000If the people of this country know for a fact that the government has been weaponized against one half of the population, like, we are dangerously close to whatever you want to call it.
00:38:14.000I think the metaphor you were looking for, Ian, was like, a fracture doesn't heal fully, but you need to break the arm completely for it to heal fully.
00:38:22.000Not that I agree with that's what should happen, but if your bone is fractured, then it doesn't heal completely, but if it breaks completely, then it does properly heal.
00:38:31.000That's a bad metaphor for what I think should happen in the nation, but I think that's a cleaner metaphor for what you were looking for.
00:38:36.000You know, Biden is so fascinating to me.
00:38:39.000He's this, he's like, for as much as people say this about Trump, Biden is this character study in the hubris of man because he's so late in his life and he's putting such little emphasis on his soul and so much emphasis on money and being corrupt in order to enrich himself and his family.
00:39:39.000No, but I do think religious institutions may have more influence and power over Earth than sitting governments.
00:39:44.000I mean, but, well, that's the thing, you know, I'm Catholic, I love my church, but, you know, there are obviously people in the Catholic Church I've been very critical of, and people in the hierarchy, and I think it was Chesterton who said this, but one of the reasons I believe it's the true church is because I don't know how an organization can spend so much time being corrupt and still exist.
00:40:00.000It's been like 2,000 years with these horrible priests and bishops, and we're still here.
00:40:04.000Who's going to have faith in the justice system anymore after this?
00:40:11.000For me to regain faith in them, they'd have to do something really... We have videos of the hunt of Biden that you can't show even an 18-year-old.
00:41:03.000They ran an ad that says, Donald Trump became a household name by firing countless people on television.
00:41:08.000But when it came to Fauci, in the video, they run this image.
00:41:11.000It says, Real Life Trump, and the top left, the bottom middle, and bottom right are AI-generated images of Trump hugging and kissing Dr. Fauci.
00:41:20.000Wow now look People like this people thought this was real this this video.
00:41:25.000I believe it's actually from it's from What is it from June 5th?
00:41:29.000I think the original post is actually a few a few days before but let's just say June 5th That's the date listed on Twitter Nobody noticed anything until today.
00:41:38.000I saw people posting saying, hey, wait a minute.
00:41:40.000The DeSantis campaign generated fake images to smear Donald Trump as favoring Dr. Fauci.
00:42:04.000They're going to start generating fake AI images of you, doing something to smear you, and this is a serious ad meant to make people believe Donald Trump actually was good friends with Fauci.
00:42:15.000Oh my gosh, they should have a disclaimer that that's fake, because a cartoon you would know.
00:42:21.000All the dissented supporters are doubling down hardcore saying, we are allowed to do this because Donald Trump once posted a picture of Ron DeSantis riding a rhinoceros.
00:42:29.000Which everyone thought was real, of course, at the time, and people didn't want to vote for DeSantis because of the animal cruelty.
00:42:38.000Here's a picture of Ron on a rhinoceros, and the response I got was, hey Tim, what dis?
00:42:44.000Because I said, the intentional act of making a fake image, putting it in a collage to trick people into thinking that Trump liked Dr. Fauci, Is one million times different from Trump insulting Ron DeSantis.
00:43:00.000Also, yeah, no, and there's context to those photographs too, which you mentioned it's in a collage of other photographs, but they're talking about Trump being too soft on Fauci.
00:43:12.000And Trump was not making any specific claim about, firstly, it's poorly photoshopped, it's obviously a joke, but secondly, Trump was not making like a claim about DeSantis riding rhinos.
00:43:23.000So, everybody responded to me saying, why aren't you disavowing Donald Trump for his use of deepfakes?
00:43:59.000Many DeSantis supporters thought it was real, and it was wrong for Trump to post it.
00:44:03.000Then, when this guy tweets at me, what about this picture?
00:44:06.000And it's Trump riding, or it's Ron DeSantis riding a rhinoceros, I said, I once again, I hereby once again disavow Donald J. Trump.
00:44:14.000He posted a picture of Ron DeSantis riding a rhinoceros, and many DeSantis supporters thought it was real.
00:44:19.000It was wrong of Trump to mislead these people in this way, and Trump must apologize for confusing dissenter supporters with this image, and the dude deleted it.
00:44:28.000The argument that you can make fake news, fake images to trick people, is in no way the same as Trump being a dick.
00:44:38.000And then people are like, how come, what about Alex Brusiewicz?
00:44:44.000There was an image of George Soros in the background somewhere, and then he posted something, this was another thing they're criticizing him for, where he said, apparently this wasn't George Soros, but I have to wonder.
00:44:54.000And then other people, random people online who are not Donald Trump, There is a big difference between Ron DeSantis' official campaign, his staff, producing fake images to trick people into thinking Trump did a thing he did not do, and Trump posting a picture of Ron on a rhinoceros.
00:45:17.000But I'm sorry, I guess if they really believe that happened, they were like, Ron never rode a rhinoceros!
00:45:23.000But here's the thing, I'm a highly trained skeptic, so when I saw that picture of Ron on a rhinoceros, I didn't think it was real, but I thought, man, this deepfake technology is getting way too convincing.
00:45:31.000This is clearly Ron DeSantis on a rhino.
00:45:33.000I'm sorry, like, dude, you can by all means criticize any Trump supporter for posting fake information 100%.
00:45:41.000But the idea that because some people associated with Trump posted questionable things they found on the internet justifies the intentional act of posting deepfakes to lie about Donald Trump.
00:46:05.000I'm leaning towards Trump simply because Trump's likely to fire all these people.
00:46:08.000Now, there is absolutely no way I will support Ron DeSantis unless he comes out explicitly disavowing the use of deepfakes to manipulate people.
00:46:17.000I think they're probably these strategists he has, all this money, how do we go, let's keep on this Fauci crusade, that he was so close to Fauci he wouldn't fire him, and maybe the pictures didn't have that hug, so let's just shove in the hug, right?
00:46:29.000Let's just add these two extra pictures, it will really push the envelope and show how close they were.
00:46:35.000And people won't pick up on it, that's fake, but, you know?
00:48:57.000That undermines, and I've been very clear about where I stand on Trump vs. DeSantis, but I will say that undermines one of the good points that DeSantis actually does have about Trump.
00:49:05.000That undermines one of the good arguments against Trump, even though I support him, to say, yeah, he didn't fire Fauci, that was a serious flaw, he should have, is something that is credible and it's powerful.
00:49:19.000And to completely undermine that by having a hand-generated picture of him kissing Fauci on the nose while he hugs him, What would your crisis response team be to something like this?
00:50:13.000It was, according to multiple reports, Christina Pasha, who employed directly by DeSantis, made this account.
00:50:20.000I don't know who made the video, but it's possible that DeSantis saw the video, and it's a 40-second video, and he looks at it and he's like, it's great, run it.
00:50:27.000Not realizing they put deep fakes in it.
00:50:30.000But I think, if they try and pull a, we didn't know, and so we're gonna hire John Herbowitz, he was the one who did it, I will not be satisfied.
00:50:45.000We knew this was coming, we've warned about it.
00:50:47.000It's one thing, and it's bad enough, that they cut Trump out of context and lie about him.
00:50:52.000It is also bad enough that there are people who support Trump that make fake things and then they get shared by people in the Trump camp, in like the Trump circle and things like that.
00:51:03.000But to intentionally run an ad with fake images to smear your political opponent is crossing the line directly, and it opens the door to a very dark future.
00:51:12.000That's why it's like, hey, we knew someone was gonna do it, Ron DeSantis said he was going to lead out.
00:52:28.000Again, I prefer Trump as of now, but also DeSantis is somebody who did stand up to the COVID regime and the lockdown regime and he pushed back against it and he did stand up to the media.
00:53:03.000Unless he disavows and we see some real terminations over this.
00:53:06.000The DeSantis campaign choosing to focus on Fauci specifically is a genius move.
00:53:14.000It is such a potent attack, especially because there are so many Trump supporters who do have so many questions about Operation Warp Speed and Fauci, but they just overplayed their hand for no good reason.
00:53:28.000Trump was already praising Operation Warp Speed still.
00:53:31.000He didn't fire Fauci for whatever reason, and that's a whole different conversation.
00:53:35.000And they could have kept hitting him on this, but such an unforced error is so stupid, frankly.
00:53:40.000And the response from DeSantis' hardcore fans is it's almost as if they're actually leftists or Trump supporters trying to sabotage Ron DeSantis.
00:53:50.000You can't come out and be like, but Trump posted Ron on a rhinoceros.
00:53:55.000If that's your argument, you're just trying to make DeSantis supporters look really, really dumb.
00:54:00.000Literally, DeSantis camp should come out and be like, these got mixed in.
00:54:05.000They could say, we didn't make these, we saw them, we put it in the ad, it's our mistake, we didn't check, we disavow, we apologize, it'll never happen again.
00:54:12.000If it's true, I don't want them lying to people.
00:54:15.000No, I'm saying that's their best out, in my opinion.
00:54:17.000Or I could be like, the guy that created this, it was an oversight on my part, I didn't realize the amount of damage it could do to the political process, and he's fired, and I'm not gonna ever do this again.
00:54:25.000We should say if a deepfake is a deepfake.
00:54:26.000But you don't know the person they're firing actually did it.
00:54:30.000They're gonna say some random name, they're gonna say, you know, Ian Coghlan is the guy who did it, so he's fired, and then Ian Coghlan's gonna be like, I just work in the mailroom!
00:55:34.000I mean, it really is going to get to a point where we look back and we say, anything that was published before 2023, as far as photography goes, can be inspected to see if it's photoshopped or not, and so we can trust that.
00:55:46.000Or, I think even a point before 2023, because maybe there are people who had this technology before it became widely available and were using it, and we'll find out about that at some point.
00:55:56.000But I think that's gonna, we are gonna get to a point where we'll kind of only be able to verify things that are old enough.
00:56:01.000I was so wrong when I went on Rogan and he asked me about deepfake technology and I said no I'm not super concerned because people have trust and he asked me if I thought it was gonna get bad and I said I didn't think so and now that it's all happening it's just like it is gonna be worse than anyone realizes.
00:56:17.000What's going to happen is, we're going to get to a point where what they're going to say is, any image generated after 2023 is not real.
00:56:26.000And you're going to be like, well, clearly some of them are real, like, yes, but they can never be, they're no longer admissible in court.
00:56:31.000Like, one of the big things that's going to happen, I have already witnessed this, courts have admitted fake AI generated images.
00:56:42.000But I can tell you about other court cases, definitively, that have said they absolutely will admit deepfake videos, and it is the responsibility of the person disputing it to prove it's not real.
00:56:56.000That's what the courts are saying right now.
00:56:58.000Man, people put a lot of faith in the intelligence of the authority and they're not necessarily intelligent people.
00:57:04.000That's insane, the idea that the burden has to be on you to prove these things wrong.
00:57:07.000We were talking about this with another guest who suggested there's going to have to be an entire new field of forensics that builds up to dispel these things.
00:58:54.000Now imagine you're in an airport, and this ad runs on the TV, or a news outlet covers the ad and says, take a look at this ad run by the DeSantis campaign.
00:59:02.000And then you see, on a grainy television far away, Trump hugging DeSantis.
00:59:33.000Is it really going to boost DeSantis and not Trump?
00:59:36.000Like a quarter to a third of Trump's base, those diehards, absolutely hate the vaccine stuff, and hate the Fauci stuff, hate all the lockdown, Operation Warp Speed, think all that stuff is super toxic.
00:59:48.000And I do think it was a potent message, the more he brought it up.
00:59:51.000But now overplaying his hand, kind of...
00:59:54.000ruins it. Exactly. Like when Trump, you know, he can bring this up and he can say,
00:59:59.000you didn't fire Fauci, you pushed the vaccines. Oh, did I kiss him on the nose, Ron? Really?
01:00:03.000Did I give him a big bear hug and kiss him on the nose?
01:00:49.000So where this goes, we are going to video and photos, and what can you do about it?
01:00:57.000That's why I think it's so important to call this out and say no to it, because If, and this is why I'm like, the DeSantis supporters are doing everything in their power to hurt Ron DeSantis.
01:02:39.000Twitter is not helping, but it's going to be crucial moving forward as we're seeing AI and disinformation and misinformation in the flesh actually exist.
01:02:46.000Well, you got to wonder if, you know, five, ten years from now, people see these things and they say, do you see the footage of him doing that?
01:02:57.000I think we're going back to the Dark Ages, in a sense.
01:03:01.000There was a time period where we did not know what was going on.
01:03:04.000A hundred, two hundred years ago, you're living on a farm, and then the newspaper man comes to town.
01:03:09.000And you go, oh, but the newspaper's here!
01:03:11.000And then they all get together, and then he's like, I got the paper, here's what's happened in New York, and you're like, wow, and that was a month ago.
01:03:16.000Like a month ago, a ship came and it carried a bunch of ivory, and I'm like, what?
01:03:19.000They called it the Dark Ages, but it was really like the Blind Ages, like too much light will blind you, and you may as well be dark, because you can't see anything.
01:03:27.000That's exactly what, yeah, exactly it.
01:03:29.000We're entering a period where it's, we can call it the Light Ages, where there's so much information, we're blinded by it, and we can't see what's going on.
01:03:37.000Soon enough, the only place you'll be able to know things are real from is TimCast News.
01:04:16.000And it's not who the hell, like maybe you can get a non-proliferation treaty for all the weaker countries around Earth, but the big superpowers are definitely going to weaponize using it.
01:04:41.000Let's see if, like, any other technological power is willing to hold off on the development of this unbelievably profitable and powerful technology.
01:04:48.000Yeah, let's see if OpenAI agrees to it.
01:04:49.000A decade ago we were having the same conversation about genetic engineering and how we should stop researching it, but nobody across the world was going to get on board with that, and I don't believe the solution is trying to stop the advancement of the technology.
01:05:03.000You think you should just use it better than anyone else?
01:05:05.000Well, if we stop doing it, China's not going to stop.
01:05:07.000So we need to figure out the correct way to use it.
01:05:10.000And like in the genetic engineering conversation is like finding the right way to attack and defend against diseases that are potentially made in the future.
01:05:49.000I mean, you always got to do what's right, but there's, you know, you can play the little publicity stunts here and there that make sense, but you got to play by the rules, right?
01:05:58.000You got to, I would have said, don't do this.
01:06:01.000You can't just put out fake photos like that's when you're running for president of the United States and you're the second, you know, the right behind Trump, the runner up.
01:06:10.000You know, you're, you're, you're, you're betting on the loser horse.
01:06:14.000It's like, we're gonna make this thing, and what we can gain from it is minimal, and what we can lose from it is everything.
01:06:20.000Well, and, you know, you made the point that some of these images are fake, but we wouldn't be able to tell.
01:06:24.000It would have been much more difficult to tell, at the very least, if we didn't have the picture with lettering behind it that was so over-the-top with him smooching Fauci.
01:06:30.000And you gotta wonder, are there other instances of deepfakes being out there in political campaigns being used that we just haven't picked up on because they weren't as ridiculous?
01:06:39.000You guys think DeSantis signed off on this?
01:06:47.000I think it's possible he signed off on it, but, like, he's sitting in his office typing on a computer and they pull up an iPad and they hold it up to him and say, here's the ad, and he's sitting there and he watches and he goes, it's great, run it, and then, anyway, guys, what were we talking about?
01:06:57.000So... The buck stops with him, definitely.
01:07:00.000But I don't think he knew they ran deepfake images.
01:07:03.000I'm saying, like, if he approved of it, he looked at it, didn't realize what it was, and said, looks good.
01:07:10.000The DeSantis campaign is 100% correct to criticize Trump on Fauci and Birx.
01:07:24.000He does lack charisma, but Trump really does have a weakness when it comes to Fauci, Dr. Birx, and the COVID response, and that's where they can go after him.
01:07:30.000And then all of a sudden, I see this news, and I'm like, holy crap.
01:07:36.000And then instead of being like, we disavow, we apologize, we don't know how this got out, the supporters all run out full speed and say, we are allowed to do it.
01:07:45.000And I'm like, okay, DeSantis' supporters are some of the nastiest people online.
01:07:50.000Trump's got nasty people, don't get me wrong, but the fact that they will defend anything, and you've got people tweeting at me being like, why aren't you criticizing Trump?
01:07:57.000And I'm like, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that because Trump was a dick, that means DeSantis is allowed to do things that are wrong.
01:10:28.000That they got book deals and everything.
01:10:30.000That's why they want him back in office.
01:10:32.000That's why they're trying to push these indictments and all that.
01:10:34.000Seamus is waiting patiently to dive behind you.
01:10:36.000And I think something that you hit spot on is about the lack of charisma from DeSantis.
01:10:41.000So last week for TimCast News, I covered all of his stops in New Hampshire.
01:10:47.000He kind of gave the same speech four different times, but he really isn't personable Lacks like that natural charisma and really comes off kind of smug and rigid or at least that was my impression I also feel as though he tries to play off as though he's not an elitist Although he still has gone to these prestigious colleges.
01:11:06.000I believe at least Yale, but maybe also Harvard so So when Ron comes on this show and it's going to be hot, you better look at me in the eyes and be like, not intelligent, huh?
01:11:16.000And then look at Tim and be like, so no charisma.
01:11:18.000You better call us on this stuff because this is what the conversation is about.
01:11:21.000If you're really going to be a better president, then we got to air it out.
01:11:24.000Well, I just, look man, when I brought up the Jazz Jennings thing, the DeSantis, Pasha and Redfern started tweeting at me, calling me a grifter and insulting me for simply pointing out that Jazz Jennings lives in Florida and these horrible things are happening.
01:11:40.000And I was like, why are you yelling at me?
01:12:10.000They could've just posted that and it would've been, that's the end of it.
01:12:14.000Instead, they decided to go to war and create a conflict that creates negative attention around DeSantis and led to the confirmation that Jazz Jennings received gender surgery in Florida under the rule of Ron DeSantis.
01:12:28.000Ron DeSantis was governor, Jazz did receive surgery.
01:12:31.000And so, they want to play this game like, Ron doesn't have a time machine.
01:12:34.000Well, now you open the door, and now we know that it was under Ron.
01:12:38.000So, I think, you were making that point, Ian, that everything Ron did was safe?
01:13:45.000You prefer Trump right now, although he is more pro-choice than DeSantis.
01:13:49.000Well, if we're talking about who's more likely to win a federal election, I think especially if Trump's position were to change to a more pro-life position, it wouldn't even be a question for me.
01:13:58.000But if we're talking about who's more charismatic, who's probably more likely to carry voters, yeah, I think Trump.
01:14:04.000There was also some talk behind the scenes that there was a leak from DeSantis' campaign that suggested he might not hold to as strong a pro-life stance.
01:15:58.000We need Trump to go in like a bull in a china shop and fire all these people.
01:16:01.000Yeah, and so there have been a number of things, like on the abortion messaging, where I think Trump has been entirely wrong.
01:16:06.000I'd like to see him shift there, absolutely.
01:16:09.000I do, in that sense, very much prefer DeSantis' stance.
01:16:12.000He's pro-life, and when it comes to the primary, I'm always going to vote for the most pro-life candidate.
01:16:16.000But part of my critique of DeSantis has also been the fact that he lacks charisma.
01:16:21.000And a lot of diehard supporters get upset with me for saying that, but you're not helping him or his campaign by not addressing that.
01:16:26.000So respectfully, if DeSantis is more pro-life than Donald Trump, why don't you support DeSantis over Trump?
01:16:32.000I think as a candidate, DeSantis is less charismatic.
01:16:37.000I'm not saying that I would definitively support Trump over DeSantis in the primary without any qualification there.
01:16:45.000I think if Trump moved to a more pro-life stance, I absolutely would.
01:16:49.000And I also think that if DeSantis became more charismatic and was a more pragmatic candidate on the national stage, That would help him quite a bit.
01:16:57.000I think Trump blamed the midterm losses from Republicans on the abortion issue.
01:17:01.000And I discussed that on my podcast with Lila Rose.
01:17:03.000I think that's a massive failure on his part.
01:17:06.000When DeSantis came out saying six weeks, Trump was still like, oh... Trump said that he called it cruel, which I think was horrible messaging and I think is entirely wrong.
01:17:13.000So, but it still doesn't matter to you.
01:17:19.000I said that DeSantis needs to work on his charisma.
01:17:21.000I think where Trump, and I would also, and this is why I'm saying as of now, because I think it's possible Trump moves on that issue.
01:17:28.000As you mentioned, Trump is very flexible and he's been in different positions and adopted different positions over time.
01:17:34.000I would say that when it comes to DeSantis building up his charisma, making that statement isn't saying that I'm now a diehard Trump supporter who will never like DeSantis.
01:17:43.000It's simply saying that I think he needs to fix that problem to be a more palatable candidate.
01:17:52.000Even though he may be better on policy, that's not how he's going to beat him.
01:17:55.000Oh no, I agree, and this is the thing, so I was getting into so many arguments with people about this because I was saying DeSantis needs to work up his charisma, he needs to get better at this, and they were saying, oh, like charisma matters, people should vote on policy, agreed, people should vote on policy, they're probably not going to, right?
01:18:12.000You, and so that's my point where I, and I said this so many times, I think that, um, I think that a stronger DeSantis is better for America overall, regardless who ends up getting the nomination, regardless of who ends up winning.
01:18:24.000I think it is better for America for both of these men to be as strong as they can be and to be as effective as they can be.
01:18:30.000And one of the areas where DeSantis lacks effectiveness is his charisma.
01:18:34.000you need a maddingly, you don't need one, but you will benefit severely from a charismatic
01:18:38.000military commander. He's the commander of the military. If you, if the troops believe in you,
01:18:42.000they'll fight and die for you. If they don't, they're going to quit. Look at our military
01:18:46.000right now with Joe Biden frailing around. It's a, it's a travesty. Yeah. I like that description.
01:19:18.000We talked about this a bit when he announced that I can't believe they looked at that announcement video that he posted on Twitter and they were like, this is good.
01:19:26.000I can't believe they did not have someone at the level they're at.
01:19:29.000They're in second place right now in the Republican primary for the presidency of the United States, and they couldn't get someone to come and look at that video and be like, guys, you need more energy.
01:19:37.000Whatever you gotta do to get more energy in there, have an eagle fly over.
01:19:40.000I don't know what it is, but Ron walking up and being like, freedom is worth fighting for, was just... Watch Barack Obama announce.
01:19:49.000He did it, he's in front of all these people, he's got a huge crowd, and he does that thing where he pauses what he's saying very slowly and elevates his voice.
01:19:56.000THAT'S WHY I, BARACK OBAMA, AM ANNOUNCING!
01:20:00.000And the crowd starts screaming and there's all that energy, and you watch that video and you're like, wow.
01:20:08.000Then you go in the Twitter space and Ron's like, well I'm here to lead the American comeback!
01:20:11.000you're like okay. You know who was, Ronald Reagan was brilliant with visuals, Bill
01:20:16.000Clinton was brilliant with visuals, Ron DeSantis lost the simple rule of
01:20:20.000politics, visuals are very important. He announced on Twitter, did we have any
01:20:24.000visuals? None. Zero. You can never revisit that moment.
01:20:27.000Right, so you got one shot to announce right, that one day and he should have been in one
01:20:31.000of the counties that he did such tremendous job in Florida.
01:20:34.000He's got a great story to tell and he should be with supporters, his family, his wife is up there and that would have been an amazing announcement.
01:20:42.000He could have gotten like a giant drone.
01:20:44.000You ever see those drones that people ride?
01:20:55.000He's standing on like a quadcopter as it lands, and then he jumps off and walks to the podium in front of a huge crowd and they're like, what is going on?
01:22:27.000It's another thing like Trump posts these... People keep asking about Trump re-truthing that image where it's allegedly DeSantis with young girls, and he's trying to imply that DeSantis is like a pedo or a groom or whatever, and I'm like, yeah, that's very bad.
01:22:41.000Trump gets no credit for me from that.
01:22:43.000But Trump retruthing someone and being a dick is very different from your campaign running an ad where you made fake images or where you have placed, I don't know who made them, but you placed fake images to smear someone.
01:22:54.000It is really concerning, because you could deepfake Ron with getting a back massage from his wife's sister and be like, it looks real.
01:23:00.000And then that sows division within his family.
01:23:22.000Because you get one company saying, guys, we'll do it right.
01:23:26.000But if we don't do it, the other company will.
01:23:28.000So no matter what you say, you've got 10 companies, 20, 30, 40, 50, all full steam ahead on launching this AI stuff and no one will back down.
01:23:37.000Yes, Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, who's like one of the companies leading the charge of AI, went on Lex Friedman's podcast and asked Lex to his face, should we open source this?
01:23:49.000And I was like, what in the hell are you guys talking about?
01:23:51.000You're supposed to be the thought leaders, and you don't want it open because you're afraid that someone else is going to take it and make it better than you?
01:23:58.000So you want to make it secret so that the AI takes over?
01:24:41.000And then it earned points when it hit the target.
01:24:44.000In the simulation, it could only attack the target if it got approval from the operator.
01:24:50.000It then realized the operator saying no was detrimental to it getting points, so it blew up the operator.
01:24:56.000Then they said, okay, blowing up the operator gives you minus points, so it stopped doing that.
01:25:00.000So then it blew up the communication towers.
01:25:02.000Apparently they say the story is not true, or something about it is fabricated.
01:25:05.000But the general concept of it is exactly what happens with AI and why it will go bad.
01:25:10.000We will make an AI and we'll ask you to do something simple.
01:25:14.000We'll make finance AI and we'll be like, hey, make these trade stocks so that we can boost our 401k and the AI earns points when people's returns improve.
01:25:26.000What'll end up happening is it will do something totally unexpected and weird to earn points, like shorting a bunch of vital stocks, destroying the economy, and then one day people wake up and they have no savings, but one guy's got $365 trillion in his account and he doesn't know how, and it's like, I maximized my points!
01:25:42.000Then the system completely breaks because of it.
01:25:44.000Yeah, or you reduce the population and then you have a relatively larger number of people that are wealthy, so like... Yup!
01:25:50.000Be careful what you... That's the monkey-paw thing.
01:25:53.000If we told an AI to do finance, and we said, your goal is to make as much money as possible for the people who have invested in these specific, you know, EFTs or, you know, these IRAs, whatever, these stocks, this portfolio.
01:26:09.000It will say, if we have one million people and one million dollars in the market, each person gets one dollar.
01:26:17.000If we eliminate half of those people, everyone now has two dollars.
01:26:20.000One of the strategies towards maximizing returns might be to literally Destroy companies through finance that produce food and medicine so that people die resulting in more of the existing wealth.
01:26:32.000The money may become worthless because there's no people to do work, but all that matters is that number to the AI.
01:26:37.000And you hope that an AI is intelligent enough to know what collateral damage it could cause, but I don't think anything is that perfect.
01:26:46.000YouTube said, we want to compete with Netflix, so we're going to make an algorithm that promotes long-form videos that people watch for a longer amount of time.
01:26:55.000They thought they would get Game of Thrones.
01:26:57.000They say people watch Game of Thrones for an hour, so we want content that's at least an hour that people will at least watch most of.
01:27:04.000They started getting, one, podcasts, which is okay, but they started getting a lot of really freaky content of Hitler dancing with the Incredible Holt and stuff like that.
01:27:13.000Spider-Man and Elsa doing gross stuff. For 40 minutes. Injections.
01:28:24.000Then they may start getting programmed by other AI with no emotions at all.
01:28:28.000But then those will, like, because when you look at what ChatGPT will and won't say, a lot of it's not logical, right?
01:28:32.000It's, like, based on somebody's emotional sensibilities.
01:28:35.000Then if, like, ChatGPT programs something, then it's programming that thing based on the emotional sensibilities that were put into it.
01:28:40.000Like, you've got to know when your orders are Uh, wrong.
01:28:44.000When the orders are bad and you've got to say no to the orders.
01:28:47.000You've got to know that, but that's an emotional ability.
01:28:50.000I don't think that, like, you know, obviously the logic dictates ripping human bodies open to study the heart will make us better at becoming heart doctors, but that doesn't mean you want to rip human bodies open all the time to study hearts.
01:29:01.000The AI has no conscience or moral framework, so it will just say, to better understand heart, open human.
01:29:08.000Yeah, unless that's not programmed into it.
01:29:10.000You just, you know, learn about hearts.
01:29:28.000I mean, I think almost any prediction anyone makes about AI is going to age really poorly.
01:29:33.000Yeah, the media, I would say generally, hasn't been talking much about it at all, which is why I don't feel like that.
01:29:39.000I'm actually scared because we talk about it, and every time we talk about it, we have these contingencies of more possible things going wrong.
01:29:45.000I think the media talks about it a lot, and then you have these stories of the godfather of AI saying that doom is near because of this.
01:29:52.000I feel like we're calling it AI, but it's not exactly that.
01:29:56.000It's like a language model that is predicting the next word, so there's nothing inherently original or thoughtful in what it's producing.
01:30:04.000And the pictures work by just mushing stuff together, so there's nothing, again, truly original.
01:30:09.000You're referring specifically to language models.
01:30:11.000When I talk about earning points to develop models, they have the dog robot.
01:30:18.000They programmed it to learn how to walk on its own, and then they left it in a room and it just figured out how to eventually walk.
01:30:27.000I think you're right that a lot of what we're calling artificial intelligence right now is large language models, LLM, large language models, and that Sam Altman was predicting that he's the CEO of OpenAI, that by September of this year, 2023, we will have our first general intelligence, which is where it can create more of it.
01:30:45.000Yeah, and I'm fully willing to be wrong, and the ways this will impact our economy and jobs is going to be crazy and interesting and, I don't know, maybe not fun to see, but... Well, look, I can already tell you, right, I can already tell you as somebody who, like, owns a business that creates and markets artistic products, like we do the cartoons for the YouTube channel, there's also clients we service, there are ways that I can see this stuff really changing our industry.
01:31:38.000They look very realistic, they are extremely compelling, and highly intricate.
01:31:43.000And you go to their Discord, you sign up on their website, then you go to Discord, you type forward slash imagine, and then it gives you a prompt and you can type in whatever you want.
01:31:51.000Well, and so, I was curious, I wanted to see like, you know, do a background in this animated art style, or that animated art style, and you end up with something that, you know, still looks a little wonky, still looks a little bit off, it's not perfect.
01:32:04.000One thing I was thinking of in terms of practical application is, You know, maybe you could use something like this to just color your images in, right?
01:32:12.000So instead of drawing on the computer then coloring, maybe you can actually go back to pencil and paper and do frame by frame and just put each image into your computer and tell the AI, hey, like, color this in, flesh it out.
01:32:21.000There are ways you can still be very involved in the artistic process and Utilize AI potentially in the coming years, and I think that's sort of the ideal situation where you still have real artists making these things, but they're able to make something so much more visually interesting and intricate because the computer technology is assisting them.
01:32:40.000Yeah, well and so I've mentioned this before.
01:32:43.000What we do at Freedom Tunes would be literally impossible without computer animation, right?
01:32:47.000Doing a hand-drawn, like, 2-5 minute long video once a week, sometimes 3-4 times a week, it literally wouldn't be possible without computer animation.
01:32:56.000And that also means that what I'm doing requires fewer animators than it would have required 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, before this stuff was common.
01:33:04.000So, yeah, like, it might limit the number of jobs, but the people who have those jobs will probably be able to do a lot more.
01:33:10.000It's an interesting perspective on it, with how computers also help you make the cartoons, and AI will help you do them in a different way, potentially.
01:33:17.000And if you can please the AI, the AI will reward you, like your viewers become AI itself, and the more of the AI you can impress, the more you will be rewarded in the long run.
01:33:32.000Well, I mean, I was just gonna say that, you know, people might look at the situation and they say, well, you know, this guy's making several cartoons a week for his business and he's got a, you know, a talented team of employees who he's working with on this.
01:33:45.000But, you know, if he was doing this 30 years ago, there could have been dozens or hundreds of people, many more people with jobs.
01:33:57.000So, I think instead of seeing it as something that's going to limit job potential, it's important to also conceive of the fact that it's going to create industries.
01:34:04.000Like, things will be possible that were not.
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01:34:21.000Alright, I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, as a Canadian, I find it rather offensive that you think our crazy lefties don't know how to use cell phones, and yet think space lasers are just as likely.
01:34:32.000By the way, where did you get the laser idea from?
01:34:35.000Uh, I never said it was likely that lasers started fires.
01:34:37.000I said it was actually practically impossible, but at least somewhat in the realm of possibilities.
01:34:42.000And the idea that 400, well I said 140, 140 lefties all went to key locations hundreds of miles apart and then timed ignition of fires That's just ridiculous, I'm sorry.
01:35:09.000See, this is the other thing people did.
01:35:10.000They took a time-lapse video of several hours, and then because the fires start within a few hours of each other, not at the same time, it looks like they all start at the same time.
01:35:19.000That was me that brought up space lasers.
01:35:21.000And it was that I thought it would be more likely that someone lit them with space lasers than that God itself lit the fires.
01:35:27.000Here's the other thing about that satellite imagery showing all the smoke.
01:36:08.000Usually it's blamed on climate change.
01:36:10.000I was at a climate change protest today outside of the White House.
01:36:12.000They were blaming floods and this fire in particular on climate change.
01:36:17.000Yeah, it's pretty wild and they're so smug in their certainty that this was caused by climate change.
01:36:23.000Let's just say, let's say man-made catastrophic climate change is happening and the world is going to end in 12 years and then 12 years from now, you know, you can say that all over again.
01:36:31.000Let's just say that that's the case and all that's true.
01:36:34.000Maybe one forest fire could actually not be climate change, right?
01:37:09.000So Gallup shows that all age groups have shifted more conservative.
01:37:14.000The big shift, uh, I think the big shift is 30 to 44, but there is a prominent shift, 18 to 29, towards conservative to a certain degree, and now more people in the US identify as conservative than anything else.
01:37:25.000Well, it's interesting, though, because what it means to be conservative has changed so much, right?
01:37:30.000So, 10, 15 years ago, knowing the differences between boys and girls just made you a mentally competent adult.
01:37:38.000And if you couldn't answer the question, what is a woman, people would assume that you weren't fit to function in society.
01:37:44.000Nowadays, if you do know the answer to that question, you're not only conservative, you're a far-right extremist.
01:37:59.000There was a guy I met in Berkeley who had the sickle and hammer and he had books.
01:38:03.000He was giving books out and stuff and talking to people wearing a mask and I walked up to him and I was just like, what do you think about Antifa?
01:38:34.000Well, but even that though, like, because people say that, but really, what communists are doing is they're taking behavior that's like appropriate at the family level.
01:38:41.000And then they're saying, let's destroy the family and have the government do this instead.
01:39:20.000John Blankenship says, what if one of the bribes Biden received was the Corvette?
01:39:27.000T-Rex Pet Shop says, has anybody else noticed that many other huge companies like Family Dollar didn't even put out their pride stuff this year?
01:41:17.000I mean, I don't trust anybody, but you don't believe him?
01:41:19.000I think he has tapped in closely, and when he thinks he could say something to help advance his space in, like, the MAGA subcategory that I think he's going after, then he goes for it.
01:41:29.000But I disagree in the sense that I do think he knows what people want to hear, but I don't think that's his motivation.
01:41:35.000He sat down with me and he said there should be some kind of civic requirement for voting, and I'm like, that's a bold thing to say, because that's like, that causes damage politically among younger voters.
01:41:52.000He was a CEO, he did a lot of business stuff, and then he wrote a book about being anti-woke and everything.
01:41:56.000And the reason why, they came to him and said, you need to put up a picture on your Instagram or whatever with the black square because of George Floyd, and he was like, oh, okay, sure, I guess.
01:42:04.000Then they came to him and they said, no, we want you to write a statement where the company supports this.
01:42:08.000And he was like, oh, all right, I guess.
01:42:10.000And then he wrote something where he said, I hope this country can heal and come together and we stop fighting.
01:42:14.000And they came to him and said, that wasn't good enough.
01:42:32.000And I think he is deeply, deeply angry at these people for being so crazy.
01:42:37.000But I think he's a calm, strategic, collected guy.
01:42:40.000So he's not just rampaging around screaming, he's like, straightening his tie, putting his suit on, and being like, you messed with the wrong guy.
01:42:47.000I think it's commendable that he was willing to fight back, but the fact that he's running for president, he's not doing it as a serious way to win, he's doing it as a way to up his public profile, in my opinion.
01:42:56.000I don't think he thinks he's a serious candidate.
01:42:58.000And if he did want to win something, he'd run for lower office first.
01:43:01.000In my opinion, because a lot of people run just for the press, and I think he's kind of like a right-wing version of Yang in this primary season.
01:43:08.000I think he's running to put ESG on the debate stage.
01:43:11.000I think... I told him this, I was like, I don't think you're gonna win.
01:43:41.000You know, maybe it's unfair to say, maybe he really is trying, but I think he's a smart guy who knows the best he can do is get on stage and say to the world, ESG is destroying us.
01:43:56.000I mean, if the best case scenario is he goes on the debate stage and says, no more ESG, I'll take it.
01:44:01.000Getting back to tonight, what the Republicans should do, because when Bill Clinton was impeached in 92, he had a rally in the Rose Garden with all Democrats and his supporters.
01:44:12.000Wouldn't it be nice if the Republicans rallied behind Trump tonight?
01:44:16.000They never do, on the Republican-Conservative side.
01:44:51.000Dig up his corpse like they did with that Pope.
01:44:55.000Here's the moral challenge for classical liberals.
01:44:58.000The classical liberal position, the deontological position, is that Abraham Lincoln did wrong.
01:45:03.000The utilitarian and the moralist position is slavery needed to be stopped and preserving this country was a good thing.
01:45:11.000The outcome was undeniably good in a lot of ways.
01:45:14.000I don't think the outcome after the Civil War was universally good.
01:45:18.000I mean, Sherman's march to the sea was horrifying and monstrous, and reconstruction was disastrous too, but slavery was just so much worse.
01:45:45.000But then you look back at the bad things Abraham Lincoln did and the end result being the abolition of slavery and the 14th amendment and things that have genuinely protected people and expanded civil rights.
01:45:54.000It's like, he was certainly tyrannical.
01:46:29.000So I remember, and again, this is what I learned in school and I went to public schools, I'll tell you with a grain of salt, but what we learned was that these terms were basically like tyranny and oligarchy and actually even democracy were originally pejoratives to refer to different systems when they went wrong.
01:47:12.000So, if that's where we're kind of going with it, then it's... That's a really good point I bring up.
01:47:17.000We like to talk about all these great civil liberties, we talk about classical liberalism, and I'm like, all those things disappear the moment a bomb drops.
01:47:25.000Because ain't nobody is going to be like, you're allowed to say all of these things.
01:47:28.000They're going to be like, my children are in danger.
01:48:22.000Yeah, like, if you're in the army, and then you go off base and, like, rob a liquor store, you get military court and you get civilian court.
01:48:53.000There are other shows where people would have jumped on you before you could finish?
01:48:56.000There have been way too many instances in history where people made something illegal that was good or made something illegal that was evil, you know?
01:51:26.000First he says he won't run against Trump, then the man sits by and says he won't intervene if Trump is indicted, then the man signs HB 269, then launches his campaign with minus 5 to Charisma, then he does this AI BS.
01:55:24.000It's about a guy who's a DJ and then he has to move into the White House because he got beat up in his neighborhood back in Washington State.
01:55:36.000And Trump was done with South Florida, now he has to go back on Tuesday to Miami.
01:55:41.000Sergeant Buck says it wouldn't shock me if whoever edited that vid had no idea how to recognize an AI-generated image and just typed Trump and Fauci into Google Images.
01:55:50.000That's why I'm like, when the people immediately come out and they're like, we're allowed to do it because Trump posted a rhinoceros, they could have been like, it was an error.
01:55:58.000You know, we googled the image and just put him in.
01:57:14.000And someone posting a photo That is either like, not real, or a meme, or insulting, and then Trump reposting it being like, haha, you're dumb, is very, very different from a campaign ad that uses fake images.
01:58:10.000Um, yeah, but I guess what would be creepy is a teacher with the high school, but we need a... I need to dig deeper, I don't want to say the wrong thing about... Gnarly Marley says, I mentioned wanting coverage of the AI photo story in a Daily Wire comment earlier and the backlash was extreme.
01:58:24.000Some don't care, some don't believe it or made excuses, some just bashed you as a Democrat, I was rather shocked.
01:58:43.000Just to follow up on that, I'm sorry, it says, neither post contains evidence that the girls pictured were underage or establishes that anyone photographed was illegally consuming alcohol.
01:58:51.000Daily Mail has not been able to verify the people in the photo.
01:58:56.000Rundell Schmidt says, Trump is not pro-choice, Seamus.
01:58:58.000He was the first president to ever speak at the Pro-Life March.
01:59:03.000Tim, thanks for helping people financially.
01:59:05.000No, I so Trump's and this is part of the thing is a lot was asking this earlier like how could you pick Trump and you know over to Santa's and like my broader point is when it comes time to vote in the primaries I'm going to vote for who's most pro-life at that time I hope that that is Trump because I think he's a stronger candidate overall but what I will say is when he He did achieve many wonderful things for the pro-life movement, but when he does things like attack DeSantis for the six-week abortion ban and call it cruel, it is very off-putting for me.
01:59:36.000The other side of that is Trump does just kind of say things.
01:59:39.000I think that's a very responsible thing to say.
01:59:44.000We'll see how his positions end up shaking out as the campaign goes on.
01:59:47.000I hope he adopts a hardcore pro-life position.
01:59:50.000I absolutely hope he's not You know, gonna stick with this or, like, officially adopt this position that a six-week abortion ban is bad.
01:59:58.000When you say you vote for the pro-life candidate, do you mean because you like them both, you're gonna go for the one?
02:00:03.000Or if there's someone, just a snake, that was pro-life and a really good person who was more for abor- or, like, not pro-life?
02:00:10.000Why would you trust a snake's actually pro-life?
02:00:12.000Like, if it was just someone who's like, we want to go to war in the Middle East, we want to conquer, we want to destroy, but I'm in a super pro-life, would you go for that guy over...?
02:00:19.000If it's a choice between a war with the Middle East and a war with the unborn, I say neither, but I'm gonna vote for the most pro-life possible candidate.
02:00:26.000Even if they're like a darkly evil person?
02:00:28.000I think it's an interesting question, but like, overall, my principle is pro-life.
02:00:32.000Yeah, that is the most important issue to me.
02:00:33.000The main thing that we had to get done, which Trump did, because of the judges, it's back in the States.
02:00:37.000Yeah, no, exactly, and so that's what I'm saying.
02:00:40.000I think Trump, exactly, and so I think, and this is why I praise Trump for that, I think that there were massive pro-life victories that happened because of Trump, because of his appointments.
02:00:48.000I think there's a good argument to be made that he was the most pro-life president we've ever had.
02:00:52.000I mean, I'm definitely not dogging on him overall.
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