Donald Trump pleads not guilty to conspiracy charges, and is allowed to go about his daily life in Washington, D.C. Meanwhile, Ron DeSantis says that he s going to start impeachment proceedings against the president. And a woman in Portland, Oregon, gets mercilessly beaten by a homeless guy. Plus, a leaked clip emerges from the former chief of police of the Capitol Police, who says it looks like there may have been a cover-up.
00:00:49.000If you stole a diamond necklace and you owned a bunch of jets, they'd be like, okay, this dude's a flight risk.
00:00:56.000And you have buildings in foreign countries, you have properties all over the world, you own golf resorts, they'd be like, this guy's a flight risk.
00:01:02.000They're accusing Donald Trump of trying to overthrow the U.S.
00:01:17.000We also got a bunch of other news, my friends.
00:01:19.000Ron DeSantis says that he is going to start, um...
00:01:23.000I'm gonna save what he said for when we get later in the show, because it's probably too soon in the show to say exactly what Rhonda said to Zedd.
00:01:30.000But let's just put it simply, he used a very graphic analogy, a metaphor, for firing intelligence agencies, intelligence agents.
00:01:39.000So, yeah, he's very, very serious on that.
00:01:42.000There's a leaked clip that came out from Tucker Carlson's show with the former chief of police of the Capitol Police, where he basically says it looks like January 6th was a cover-up Someone may have wanted this to happen, and he was the guy in charge, basically saying he was being obstructed.
00:01:57.000So we're gonna talk about all of that.
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00:03:02.000And joining us today, tonight, to talk about this and so much more is Liz Wheeler.
00:04:47.000Ladies and gentlemen, today, Donald Trump arrived in Washington, D.C., pleaded not guilty.
00:04:51.000Politico reports Trump pleads not guilty to charges that he conspired to overturn the 2020 election.
00:04:56.000At the former president's arraignment, prosecutors and defense lawyers signaled immediate disagreement over how quickly he should stand trial.
00:05:01.000So my understanding is, I think they have it in here somewhere, the next date will be August 28th.
00:05:12.000Chutkan's first hearing was set for August 28th.
00:05:14.000Before then, prosecutors in Trump's defense team were ordered to submit briefs proposing a schedule for the trial.
00:05:19.000Chutkan expects to set a trial date at the August 28th hearing.
00:05:24.000Trump criticized Chutkan in a social media post a few hours before.
00:05:27.000Calling her unfair. So apparently the reporting is that Jack Smith is trying to try this
00:05:32.000Extremely quickly saying we need a speedy trial here probably because the primaries are coming up and
00:05:38.000You know, there's another story we'll get into Rhonda Santa's debating Gavin Newsom
00:05:44.000I kind of feel like that's what the deep state is hoping for
00:05:47.000Gavin Newsom not Joe Biden and Rhonda Santa's not Donald Trump
00:05:51.000I am not trying to imply that either of them are working for the deep state or the intelligence agencies.
00:05:56.000I am saying that they don't want a failing Joe Biden because he can't win, and they despise Donald Trump, so they're trying to get whatever they can.
00:06:03.000Thus, Jack Smith is like, let's get this speedy and rushed through.
00:06:08.000But I'll add one thing before we all just jump into the conversation.
00:06:13.000I think the fact that they did not remand Trump to custody proves it is not a legitimate criminal trial.
00:06:20.000And people can make the argument, oh no, Trump's not a flight risk.
00:07:12.000The entire case against Trump, and I made this argument the other night, was it's obviously intended to destroy the pattern and momentum of his campaign, right?
00:07:23.000Jack Smith was happily investigating for years and then all of a sudden he's ready and we have to rush this prosecution.
00:08:43.000I don't think that just because they let him walk out today that that means that they're not going to.
00:08:48.000I think they obviously want to put Trump in prison because they despise Trump.
00:08:52.000They think it'll destroy his presidential campaign.
00:08:54.000But if you look at the crux of what this indictment from Jack Smith is, it's really against political speech.
00:09:00.000It's a violation of your First Amendment right to have an opinion that is different than the opinion of the Joe Biden administration, which we can talk about the trickle-down Affects of that, but I think that they want to criminalize not just Trump's free speech, they want to criminalize us.
00:09:17.000Well, they wait until this story's passed.
00:09:19.000He tweets something they disagree with.
00:09:20.000They say it's, you know, ruining this case.
00:09:22.000They put him in pre-trial detention because they want some crazed Trump supporter to commit an act of violence so that they can say, well, it's not just a crime when Trump says this, it's a crime when all y'all say this, and we're going to crack down on you.
00:09:34.000I think there could be a component to that.
00:09:35.000I think part of the free speech angle or the criticism of political speech is that they never got a smoking gun.
00:10:55.000He was just kind of meandering around in there.
00:10:56.000And he was kept in pretrial detention and then in prison for how long?
00:11:00.000Because he was considered to be... He was considered to be... It was the same charge that... One of the same charges that Trump is obstruction of an official government proceeding.
00:11:12.000I will say, because you brought it up, you know, we felt like the January 6th, you know, imprisonment was sort of a sense of precedent.
00:11:20.000And it makes me wonder, is there a fear among left-leaning lawmakers and Democrats that eventually Republicans will go after maybe Hillary Clinton or someone else?
00:11:30.000And then if they put Trump in jail right now, then they are setting the precedent that their leaders will have to go to jail at the same point during the trial.
00:11:38.000Maybe this is a sign that they are actually scared.
00:11:48.000Republicans are going to send strongly worded letters.
00:11:51.000And then it's just the most pathetic, pathetic thing imaginable.
00:11:54.000The the the the indictment against Donald Trump lays lays forth this this idea that you could indict someone for defrauding this country over elections.
00:12:07.000So where are any of the Republican DAs anywhere in this country to indict Hillary Clinton?
00:12:18.000Well, I mean, she's publicly stated over and over again that Trump was illegitimate, and she was doing it to try and, you know, steal power and all of these things.
00:12:28.000She was accusing Trump of being a Russian during the election.
00:12:33.000You know, 2015, all of the stuff that they started pulling out against Donald Trump, accusing him of working with Russians and being a Russian ass and all that stuff, that was before Trump won.
00:12:42.000What's the statute of limitations on that?
00:12:43.000I can't imagine it's only a couple years.
00:13:24.000That's actually one of the biggest flaws, I think, besides the attack on the First Amendment.
00:13:28.000That's one of the biggest legal flaws, is the bar for the intent in these different statutes is so high.
00:13:34.000I mean, it's arguably unconstitutional, but it would be next to impossible to prove if you had unbiased jurors, which I suppose there's a huge caveat in this case because it's going to be in Washington, D.C., so... Not unless Trump gets it in West Virginia, which I would personally love.
00:13:48.000There's no way that's going to happen, though.
00:14:13.000Why is it that Vivek Ramaswamy is filing his lawsuits against the DOJ for information pertaining to the communications between Biden and Garland, as per this indictment?
00:15:59.000Everyone knows Thomas Jefferson stood valiantly before the people of this great continent and said, God save the king, all hail the king, we love the crown, Britain forever.
00:16:12.000That's exactly the story of the Founding Fathers.
00:16:14.000But I just want to add, I love, first of all, how he's so... I'm sorry, man.
00:16:19.000He's talking about the Founding Fathers quite literally overthrew the government.
00:16:23.000And yeah, but more importantly, he's comparing Donald Trump to the Founding Fathers who overthrew a tyrant for the people and established this great nation.
00:17:08.000He's talking about what if Thomas Jefferson pulled a Napoleon.
00:17:10.000Ian, you are fabricating context to defend someone for no reason.
00:17:13.000If you think that Al Sharpton doesn't know that Thomas Jefferson was involved in the American Revolution, then you're lost.
00:17:18.000is not an actual effective thought leader.
00:17:21.000He is the equivalent of a political ambulance chaser, right?
00:17:24.000He shows up to do a couple hits, to fundraise, and to make himself feel good.
00:17:29.000He's not a reliable source for anything.
00:17:31.000So the fact that this is who they're triaging with should tell you that he has no idea what he's talking about and they are grasping at straws.
00:17:39.000And I'm not saying he did not know they were involved in a revolution.
00:18:19.000There's no context in what he said to assume he's talking about 1811 or anything after that.
00:18:22.000Why would you think he's talking about King George?
00:18:25.000That Thomas Jefferson didn't overthrow King George?
00:18:27.000Because I think when you invoke the founding fathers, the obvious example is, yes, they overthrew a government.
00:18:31.000They overthrew the British government.
00:18:33.000But they didn't overthrow our government.
00:18:34.000Sure, it was our government at the time.
00:18:37.000Before they overthrew it, it was our government.
00:18:38.000Not to mention the critical race theory argument is that the Founding Fathers were wealthy white slave owners who didn't want to pay taxes, so in order to maintain their status and power overthrew the government.
00:18:50.000Like, the point is, it is a stupid thing to say.
00:19:38.000He was the most level-headed of all of them.
00:19:40.000Yeah, I learned an important lesson from Occupy Wall Street because I knew some of these far leftists and, you know, they fought for free speech in 2011.
00:19:49.000And then when it came to the free speech arguments in 2018 and 19, I asked these guys, like this one guy I knew, I was like, how could you be for free speech back then?
00:19:57.000And all of a sudden your opinion changed.
00:19:59.000And he laughed and said, because you're too stupid.
00:20:10.000Also, you know what we were talking about just before we went on air?
00:20:12.000We were talking about libertarianism versus a more ordered liberty, like a recognition of moral order.
00:20:17.000That's the biggest difference between the French Revolution and the American Revolution.
00:20:20.000The American Revolution was based, and I know this is really historically nerdy, was based on this idea that there was some fundamental objective truth that we didn't just determine as populism, right?
00:20:31.000And the French Revolution chose libertarianism instead, so we ordered our constitution on Original justice, which is like Judeo-Christian values in the French Revolution, didn't.
00:20:40.000They ordered it as freedom as the ultimate end, whereas we viewed freedom as the means to something greater.
00:20:46.000And I think that one of the big differences, a catalyst, and one of the principal catalysts for the French Revolution was economics.
00:20:53.000People were starving, there was famine, and so you had all these French people being like, don't know, don't care, I'm angry.
00:20:59.000And that just led to beheadings and other chaos.
00:21:01.000Whereas in the United States, it was consistent oppressive actions by the crown, and things like no representation in government, and the founding fathers and many of the state leaders would repeatedly petition the crown for things that made more sense on our behalf, and they would just say no, screw off over and over again.
00:21:20.000So the revolutionary period was actually about 20 years long, and the Declaration of Independence was way later on in that whole period.
00:21:27.000That's an interesting point about the secularism of the French Revolution.
00:21:32.000It's interesting, I hadn't really thought much about it, but that the American Revolution was like, I don't know if it's a Christian revolution, they put God in a lot of their writings.
00:21:39.000Then the French Revolution was all about like, do away with the old God, create a new religion, create a new calendar, you know, we don't want to adhere to these old traditions.
00:21:47.000I saw an interesting video where some conservative dude was doing one of those gotcha videos of stupid people in Times Square and he asked, what year did America gain its independence?
00:21:58.000And I thought that question was really, really funny because even he did not know the answer.
00:22:09.000Because, I mean, if you want to be real philosophical about this, you could argue that in some ways where it's a continuous battle that's ongoing forever.
00:22:14.0002023 be a... Yeah, I mean, that's kind of like a lame answer, but... I actually don't know the year.
00:22:18.000Are you talking about, like, when the Constitution, when the Revolution ended?
00:22:37.000So, you could make the argument that we had our independence in 1776, but I disagree.
00:22:44.000Uh, declaring it didn't change the fact the crown asserted their right and started shooting at Americans to and actually controlled a bunch of cities and
00:22:54.000So we did not have it. It wasn't until Cornwallis surrendered that we actually gained it.
00:22:58.000So 1781, but I think it's funny because they're like, what year was it?
00:23:00.000It's supposed to be 1776. And it's like, no, actually, that's when, you know, they started sending in the troops.
00:23:04.000Right. Granted, they were already sending in the troops, to be fair.
00:23:07.000And that's kind of a catalyst for it. But yeah, you know, I think.
00:23:11.000I think what happened right after is what's interesting, because we didn't have the Constitution for a while after, right?
00:23:16.000Instead, we had the Articles of Confederation, and that was structured on more of a libertarian basis, and it resulted in chaos, and they realized that we couldn't order a society along those lines, so we had to use the Constitution to reorder it along James Madison's viewpoints.
00:23:33.000And I think there is something you said for the question of, you know, people think it's 1776 because they think when you declared that you were independent you had independence because you have awoken to this concept.
00:25:41.000Like, you go into a war, you have terms of engagement that allow our fighting men and women to win, and you actually have a plan for victory, and you have an objective that is victory.
00:25:50.000Like, you get in, you do your thing, you get out.
00:26:03.000Yeah, but what about Egypt or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?
00:26:06.000I mean, Saudi Arabia got sued, I think, over 9-11.
00:26:10.000I'm not going to get into the whole history of that because there's too many gaps in my knowledge, but it wasn't like it was just the Taliban that did it.
00:26:17.000Osama bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan.
00:26:19.000There was funding coming from various sources in various Middle Eastern countries.
00:26:27.000I think that the Taliban was giving safe passage to Osama bin Laden.
00:26:30.000So you can go back and make that argument.
00:26:32.000I'm not, especially against Saudi Arabia, I think that they were certainly not held accountable because they were a territorial ally, if you will.
00:26:39.000I think part of the problem- Fifteen were citizens of Saudi Arabia!
00:26:43.000Two were from the Emirates, one was from Egypt, and one was from Lebanon.
00:26:46.000Most of them were from Saudi Arabia, and we're just like, nah, that's cool, Saudi's like, we're alright with you.
00:26:50.000I think part of the problem is that war, that we pretended wasn't a war, but obviously was a war, never ended, right?
00:26:56.000I can tell you people born after it deployed to Afghanistan, but then the Biden administration said, we want to pull out on September 11th to have some symbolic win for our administration.
00:27:07.000Like, there is something fundamentally wrong.
00:27:08.000And I think to your point, you know, I have family members and I know people who are part of the military and there is an energy of discouragement, but also I don't think our culture knows totally how to handle our military, right?
00:27:24.000I mean, I think a lot of us are anti-war and I think that's probably good.
00:27:27.000On the other hand, where do you put in people who go into military service for honorable reasons?
00:27:32.000How do you reconcile both things at once?
00:27:33.000I'd like to build solar-powered water condensation all over the planet.
00:27:37.000Like, if we could have peacekeeping missions with our troops and our military and actually reinvigorate... I feel like peacekeeping missions is, like, naturally something else.
00:27:44.000We call it peacekeeping, but it's actually not that.
00:27:46.000That's what they call it in Vietnam, you know?
00:28:25.000The reason I like to elaborate on the idea is because there are really awesome stuff we could be doing, but instead we just seem to be blowing people up all over the world.
00:29:35.000And they're waiting for replication because room temperature superconductors is going to like, yeah, it's going to be like sci-fi.
00:29:41.000I've heard that they're replicating it now.
00:29:44.000And this with like deep fakes and with obviously the internet, all these weird technologies of like, I'm really going to be able to imagine something and then see it like, With the neural net?
00:30:18.000If I see, like, hundreds of thousands of young people in high school getting it and just, like, blowing test scores out of the water, learning a bunch of languages, becoming really good at athletics, I would consider it.
00:30:29.000But I would rather have something non-invasive, like a helmet or something.
00:30:33.000Like, so you like the augmented reality glasses?
00:30:36.000Do you know anybody who doesn't have a cell phone?
00:30:51.000All your information is tracked by any intelligence agency around the world who wants it.
00:30:56.000Conservatives know full well the deep state is tracking literally everything they do, every website they go to, every picture they look at, every naughty thing they do on the internet, and they don't care, and they would then say, well I'm not getting the brain chip, and it's like, oh please dude, ten years, you'll all be chipped.
00:31:34.000He was talking about how what they wanted to teach it to do was anticipate what you want so that it could offer you things as you're going.
00:31:43.000And I thought, well, that doesn't sound cool to me.
00:31:45.000That sounds like the ability to manipulate.
00:31:47.000Because if you get used to them anticipating, then they could plant ideas that could control your movements.
00:31:53.000I think that's very different than a cell phone, because it's not integrated into your consciousness.
00:31:59.000I have my cell phone in my hand all the time, obviously.
00:32:12.000The one fair point I'll make is there's a difference between holding something in your hand
00:32:16.000and having a surgery, right? Molly Bo don't want to do surgery. But cell phones changed everything.
00:32:24.000Before we had the iPhone, if you wanted to go on the internet, it was, you'd go out and hang out with your friends, then be like, when you get home, I'll see what's happening online.
00:32:33.000Then you'd go out and hang out with your friends, then come home.
00:32:35.000Once the iPhone came out and people had, this was like the expansion, the explosion into 24-7 web, now you're on Facebook non-stop all day, every day.
00:33:04.000No, I think part of it is you'll start to see a separation of societies, right?
00:33:07.000Like you asked me who I know who doesn't have cell phones and like They are all off-the-grid mountain people who chose to live that way and know they're going without some modern conveniences for that reason.
00:33:16.000I think, I mean like you're a young parent, there will be parents who opt to give their kid an Instagram profile and an iPad really early on and then there will be parents who say, I'm gonna hold out for as long as I possibly can.
00:33:29.000I think you will see a clear difference in these things and maybe we'll have data to say like, Hey, these people are benefiting.
00:33:36.000Here's what's happening because again, technology is moving so quickly.
00:33:39.000We're able to track things better than ever before.
00:33:42.000On the other hand, I think culturally we'll just split apart.
00:33:45.000I think we'll have like the mountain people and the tech people.
00:33:48.000You mentioned before the show like shared morality, how it's such an important part of a cohesive government.
00:33:52.000For instance, the United States government had like a shared kind of almost an authoritarian morality to it.
00:33:57.000So I see this technology and this augmented reality brain-chip lifestyle as like a fast track to a shared morality.
00:34:03.000They can tell us what we think, or they can make us believe a certain thing, and it could be good, it could be bad.
00:34:08.000But like, do you think that it's even possible to get humans to come together and begin to share a new morality without using this mind-meld tech, this internet?
00:34:17.000I mean, first of all, I didn't say the word authoritarian when it came to me.
00:34:25.000I wouldn't I just don't think it's an accurate word to describe what I'm talking about.
00:34:28.000So I think that cell phones have connected us in a way like I'm grateful for my cell phone.
00:34:33.000I also see the problems that it has wrought.
00:34:36.000I actually think the point that Tim was making is a good argument for my point.
00:34:41.000TikTok has changed the minds, and I don't mean changed the ideological minds.
00:34:46.000It has changed the brains of Gen Z, and not in a good way.
00:34:49.000This should be an argument for pushing further away from augmented reality, because already, just with disattached phones, we've wrecked a generation with that.
00:34:59.000I think, Ian, your point, is a point that I make a lot, that indoctrination is not inherently immoral.
00:35:06.000It's what's being indoctrinated that determines whether it's good or bad, right?
00:35:10.000Like, our education system right now indoctrinates children in, like, anti-American, anti-Christian, pro-Marxist values, and that's wrong, but it's not because this school is being used for indoctrination.
00:35:23.000We actually Should be using the education system for indoctrination.
00:35:26.000We should just be indoctrinating children in what's good and right and true.
00:35:29.000We should be indoctrinating them in American civic values and in Christian virtues.
00:35:34.000Even if they're not practicing religious people, our nation is built, like, our entire legal structure is built on Judeo-Christian values, right?
00:35:43.000Because that person's made in the image and likeness of God.
00:35:45.000Like, that's the only thing that sets us apart from animals.
00:35:47.000So I think we should be using venues that we have for indoctrination.
00:35:52.000We just have to be smarter than the left.
00:35:54.000And when's the last time that you can point to a conservative, a Republican politician, an institution that's actually controlled by the right?
00:36:02.000The right stopped fighting for those, like, 50 years ago.
00:37:29.000Then see how you're out there, you're land-based and in public, and it's all, you know, everything appears to be a cover-up.
00:37:36.000Like I said, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but when you look at the information intelligence that it had, the military had, it's all watered down.
00:38:01.000My officers were fighting for 80 minutes before the protesters ever approached me with that.
00:38:06.000Wait, can I say, so you describe this as a failure to get the intelligence to the people who needed it, but it sounds like, worse than, it sounds like they were hiding the intelligence.
00:39:19.000And then you look at what's going on now with the Trump indictments, and I think any reasonable person who's been watching everything that's going down would agree the simple solution is they wanted January 6th to happen, to weaponize it, because they needed some way to stop Donald Trump, because they know they can't win an election.
00:39:44.000I usually believe that there's an explanation.
00:39:46.000But if you look at the facts of the case, what happened on January 6th, and compare that to what the charges against the January 6th defendants were, and then contrast that with the due process violations that these people faced, and then the political capital the Democrats have gained for all this, I mean, It almost seems like he's stating the obvious.
00:40:07.000We're just desensitized to this because we've been dealing with it for two and a half years now.
00:41:25.000Yeah, but imprisoning, whether they're good people or bad people throughout history, we have tons of stories of people who were imprisoned, got out, and then took over.
00:41:40.000Let me read you this timeline and tell me if this is a coincidence.
00:41:43.000On March 16th, the oversight committee in the House of Representatives revealed the Biden family payments that we all know are criminally corrupt.
00:41:51.000The day after that, on March 17th, Hunter Biden admitted that the laptop that we all knew was his was in fact his.
00:41:57.000The day after that, President Trump announced that the Manhattan D.A.
00:42:04.000Then on June 8th, The FBI, um, the FBI, an FBI document alleged that Biden and Hunter, you know, were involved in that bribery scam for five million dollars.
00:42:16.000The next day, Trump was indicted on the classified documents.
00:42:21.000On July 26th, the Hunter plea deal, the one where he was supposed to get immunity to any other charges ever in the history of his life, that collapses.
00:42:30.000The day after Trump was indicted, July 31st, Devin Archer testifies before the House again, and then the next day, Trump was indicted again.
00:42:41.000But the big, the smoking gun is the third indictment, which was additional charges in the classified document case, because they had already indicted him.
00:42:52.000Then the Hunter Biden plea deal thing happens.
00:42:54.000Then they're like, oh, we're indicting Trump again for the same thing.
00:42:57.000It's like, OK, they really need another indictment to cover this one up.
00:43:01.000I just don't understand why there's no- Aliens, too!
00:43:05.000You know, I want to know why DC Mayor Meryl Bowser has never had to explain why she said, yes, we'll take National Guard, but only if they don't have any weapons, right?
00:43:14.000Like, there were so many things that led up to this that seemed strange to me, that Nancy Pelosi never asked for additional security at the Capitol.
00:43:24.000Why are they not as accountable for what happened as, theoretically, Trump or anyone else?
00:43:29.000Why are only certain people being asked to account for the decisions they made on that day?
00:43:48.000I think they're counting on the fact, so think about in 2020, this doesn't have anything to do with January 6th for a second, think about in 2020 when parents were watching over their children's shoulders on Zoom school and like they were seeing critical race theory, like if your child's white they're racist, if your child's black they're oppressed, they were seeing the transgender ideology and Parents were really shocked by that, because a lot of parents thought, oh, that's happening in California, that's happening in New York, but that's not happening, like, in our neighborhood, in our elementary school, in my child's classroom.
00:44:16.000And they saw that it was, and it was this huge mental shift that you just saw sweep the country.
00:44:21.000All these parents that thought they were untouchable because they weren't in this radical leftist hotbed, and then they realized that it was real.
00:44:28.000I think we're at that point with January 6th, that for a long time, people have been afraid of being labeled as a conspiracy theorist, and because of that, we've forgotten that sometimes there are conspiracies.
00:44:40.000Sometimes- like, what is a conspiracy?
00:44:41.000It's just a concerted criminal act, right?
00:44:43.000That there are people in power who are trying to do bad things, trying to violate our rights.
00:44:47.000And I think people collectively are starting to realize that January 6th is one of those things.
00:44:52.000That it wasn't just, oh, the radical right-wingers who are claiming that it was a false flag or something like that.
00:45:05.000And we're seeing a really big shift in people's minds.
00:45:07.000I think one of the first times she was on this show, Marjorie Taylor Greene pointed out that basically everyone who's arrested during the 2020 summer riots was let go and they never faced any charges.
00:45:16.000Like, we are singularly focused on this one thing and there has to be a reason for that, right?
00:45:21.000And I think, you know, we saw it in the clip.
00:45:24.000Someone gains from when they obsess about January 6th and they try to turn it into something, right?
00:45:31.000And I think Tim talked about it the other night.
00:45:34.000If Trump had treated the May attack at the church in D.C.
00:45:39.000a little bit differently, perhaps the narrative would have been slightly differently.
00:45:42.000I think that's one of the things we have to credit left-wing activists with is that they really know when to obsess and make loud something that they are going to make the lead story for the rest of the year.
00:46:11.000Perhaps the video could have been faked or something like that, but, uh, I have no evidence that's the case.
00:46:16.000This would be a particularly difficult video to deepfake because it's extensive, but considering how much time it's been, it's been January since this book came out, it's entirely possible someone made an elaborate deepfake.
00:46:26.000Can someone clip the original interview when it was released and compare?
00:46:56.000Unless it was meant for an audio release and they just happened to have filmed it.
00:47:02.000Credit to his detail-oriented fans for being like, those aren't the mics!
00:47:05.000I feel like we should subtly change things in this room and see if people notice.
00:47:09.000This J6, man, it makes me think, like, if I was in Nazi Germany in 1933 or 1934, what would I be doing to speak out against the Nazi Party rise to power?
00:47:33.000Everybody has the microphone, so everyone is yelling over each other.
00:47:35.000It is faster, but back then, the means of you speaking out would be to make flyers and posters, or to print a zine, or to write something and then share it.
00:47:46.000With you saying how people are all talking over each other, I guess that's, for me, why I'm deciding to get into shape.
00:47:51.000Because if I can make a really good movie that people want to watch, then at least I'll be standing out, and people will be looking at my microphone a little bit more than others.
00:47:57.000Well, you gotta go where the money is, right?
00:47:59.000So you gotta go hang out in Malibu, and then hopefully you bump into, you know, say, Robert Downey Jr., and then he's like, I liked your style, and then he puts you in a movie, and now you're famous.
00:48:07.000And then you come out and start talking about how the war in Vietnam is bad, and then one day on your way to the hotel, some guy jumps out and shoots you.
00:48:15.000Thanks for laying that path in front of me.
00:48:17.000It's funny you know what your options are.
00:48:19.000I know, like, do I rail against the military powers of Earth until I die, or do I just try and make a great life with an awesome family and go live on an island somewhere?
00:48:28.000Like, in this position you can talk out, speak about the things that you believe and ask questions, but I think change happens at home, and so there's a value in saying, like, No matter what culture tells me I'm going to live myself- live my life, you know, jointly hopefully with a partner.
00:48:44.000We're- In a way that I feel like is honorable.
00:48:48.000Everything that's happening right now is because of one thing.
00:48:51.000The Founding Fathers are the people who said, we are a moral and just people, and we demand, right, we have these rights, they're inalienable, and we must fight for what is right for us and our families, at great personal risk, sacrificing their blood and treasure, and even in some cases their families, putting their families at risk, so that they could fight for what was best for the entirety of this nation.
00:49:14.000And then the mentality changed at some point.
00:49:17.000Now the advice you're given is just keep your head down and make money.
00:49:23.000And where we are now is the average person today says, I will not risk myself, my life, my sacred blood and treasure, or my family.
00:49:31.000They were founding fathers whose children were kidnapped, whose families were kidnapped to use as leverage for prisoner exchanges, whose homes were seized by the British, by the Crown, cities that were entirely occupied and they were forced to flee, and today you have people saying, Well, I can't do that because I have a family, and I can't put my family at risk.
00:49:50.000It's like, okay, well, you're the opposite of the Founding Fathers.
00:49:53.000And perhaps, I know, easy for me to say, I don't have kids.
00:49:55.000But I'll just make sure you understand that, like, the Founding Fathers were like, even if it means my family is kidnapped, even if it means I die, even if it means I have nothing left to my name, I stand for what must be.
00:50:10.000Today it's, I'm going to lock my door, hide, and hope that it passes over.
00:50:14.000And it's, people are doing well, even the poor people are doing well because of fascism, because we've bought off half the world, the slave trade of half the world, mining these rare earth minerals and stuff for us.
00:50:42.000The current way of life that we have, you know, you can work for an hour, you know, if you're like the average American salary, you work a couple hours and you're gonna go have a hibachi dinner with your family, life is easy.
00:51:15.000Like, you can't replicate anything exactly in history, but we're at a dangerous point in our country, right, where if what happens to Trump, if he's criminalized for free speech, I mean, you and I, all of us sitting here, have to wonder, okay, we've Question the same things about the 2020 election.
00:51:31.000What's the limiting principle on that?
00:51:33.000We all could be on the line at the whim of a government.
00:51:37.000And I think this is one of the things that the Republican Party has lost sight of.
00:51:41.000This is one of my biggest critiques with the Republican Party, is that there is a just use of government, right?
00:51:47.000We often conflate the idea of a limited government with essentially no government.
00:51:53.000And that's not what limited government means.
00:51:54.000Limited government means a government with enumerated powers that is accountable to the people, that is run by the people.
00:52:01.000It means that it's not a dictator that has unlimited authority.
00:52:04.000It doesn't mean that there's no just use of the government, and we as Republicans have forgotten that.
00:52:11.000We've demonized anything to do with government.
00:52:12.000Oh, we don't want government involved in that.
00:52:13.000We don't want to use government for this.
00:52:14.000We'd rather use family and free market and all of that, which is fine, but we also have to use the government to fight back against these things.
00:52:21.000We are not Just by ordering our families properly going to be able to abolish the administrative state.
00:52:25.000We're not just by sitting here behind microphones going to be able to recapture our education system.
00:52:31.000There are things we have to use the government for the just power of the government for to recapture if we want to.
00:52:38.000If we want to stop what the left is doing to our society and if we want to reclaim our society, which is supposed to be how the founders envisioned it, right?
00:52:47.000So you and I should, I mean, even if we are, I know I'm more right-wing than you are, but we should Be holding our politicians accountable for that, because everything can't be done on an individual basis.
00:52:59.000I know this is what conservatives have told us for the past 50 years, that everything's just about, like, us and our families.
00:53:04.000And yeah, that's important, but it's also using the government.
00:53:08.000And if we did that, we'd be a lot more successful.
00:53:09.000I'd like to break up a lot of corporations, especially the tech corporations.
00:54:03.000Joe Rogan says there was real fraud in the Kerry Lake election.
00:54:07.000The context beyond this is a story from the Daily Mail that finds 69% of Republicans believe that Biden, his win was illegitimate and that there was widespread fraud.
00:54:47.000It looks like there's real fraud there.
00:54:49.000It looks like there's some real shenanigans there.
00:54:50.000At the very least, there was voting machines that weren't working properly, and it seems very suspicious that a lot of them were in Republican areas.
00:56:04.000It's a little tumultuous, but mostly we move past it.
00:56:08.000No one will ever talk about this as a civil war or revolution or a conflict.
00:56:12.000They'll just say, you know, there was a rough patch.
00:56:15.000If it does escalate beyond where we are now, Not just today, but probably January 6, probably 2016 will be considered the second Civil War period.
00:56:29.000So 50, 100 years from now, if whatever is happening now does break out in a hot conflict or totalitarianism or something, they'll write.
00:56:38.000The conflict all started in 2015 when the Clinton campaign falsely accused her chief rival of being a spy working for the Russian government.
00:56:48.000And that kicked off a chain of events which resulted in impeachments, street battles.
00:56:52.000I think for sure it'll go back to September 11th in the Patriot Act.
00:56:56.000If it gets to, like, this is the time of history where the United States ended, it will be remembered that that stupid bill that let you throw people in jail with no cause, that's where it all began.
00:57:10.000When we look at the Civil War period, you could bring up Bleeding Kansas, but nobody considers that the Civil War.
00:57:16.000They consider it, like, a component of pre-Civil War.
00:57:19.000And then if you go back a couple decades to, like, What was it, I think the 1850s, the Catching Slaves Act or whatever, was a big catalyst because the bill was basically, if slaves escaped the South to the North, the North would have to return them.
00:57:34.000And the North said, you got it, the bill was passed, and the North said, yeah, right, we're not doing that.
00:57:39.000So the South was basically saying, If the federal government passes laws the North will not adhere to, what is the point of a federal government?
00:57:49.000We don't go back and say it all started here with the Fugitive Slave Act.
00:57:52.000No, we say it was a component and people will consider 9-11 as a component, but the Civil War period I believe likely It theoretically has a bunch of components that lead into with like Occupy Wall Street, the Great Recession.
00:58:43.000I mean, because, you know, whenever people say, we're not in a civil war because there's no hot conflict yet, I'll just say Aaron Danielson was shot twice in the chest by a guy with a Marxist tattoo, with a BLM tattoo on his neck.
00:58:52.000Yeah, you're just not paying attention to it.
00:59:11.000The whole dividing people into the left and the right is what Mao did to create a cultural revolution so that then you can pull the tail on one of the dogs and they start chasing each other and you're the crazy monkey that gets to watch.
00:59:22.000This is what the first half of my book is about.
00:59:25.000When we see all these crazy things, like, we just describe it as like, oh, our culture's in chaos, or we're watching critical race theory and trans ideology being indoctrinated into our kids, and I'm like, okay, why is this all happening at the same time?
00:59:36.000I mean, I know that Republicans don't fight back, so maybe they just thought it was an easy in, but this seems like a concerted effort.
00:59:43.000And it turns out, as I looked into this, the answer to that is less of a why and more of a who.
00:59:49.000As I researched it, I found the people and the organizations behind each of the attacks on all these cultural institutions, and they are invariably Marxists.
00:59:57.000I mean, even the Black Lives Matter movement that you just mentioned, I mean, this is the obvious one, people are familiar with this, but the founders of the Black Lives Matter movement are openly Marxists.
01:00:05.000They brag about being trained Marxists.
01:00:07.000You see all these books, I mean, I see you have genderqueer sitting here on the table.
01:00:10.000I mean, the president of the American Library Association is a self-avowed Marxist.
01:00:15.000These people are actual communists, actual Marxists, and they are using the destabilization of our cultural institutions, the civil institutions, to get us to economic destabilization so that they can topple our government.
01:00:27.000That is the definition of a cultural revolution.
01:00:29.000People are just like, whoa, communists, Marxists, like, it's just Republican versus Democrat, and if you actually peel back the layers and look at who's behind this, it's not a coincidence, it's not chaos, it's actual Marxism.
01:00:40.000Why do you think they embraced Marxism?
01:00:43.000I think that they are ideological Marxists.
01:00:45.000I think Marxism is, we think of it economically when we think of Karl Marx and the Communist Manifesto.
01:00:50.000We think of the working class overthrowing the ruling class, and I think that that didn't really work.
01:00:55.000It didn't, they didn't, it never caught on to become the global revolution that they wanted, so it sort of died out.
01:01:01.000But then Antonio Gramsci, he was this Italian Marxist, Founder of the Italian Communist Party, or co-founder, said, well, listen, if you observe the cultural revolutions that were successful, or these Marxist revolutions, they started culturally.
01:01:13.000First, you overtake the civil institutions that the working class rely on to destabilize society, and then they're willing to actually revolt against the ruling class.
01:01:22.000Like, the root of all of this is, economically, they're anti-capitalist, and then many, I mean, Many, if you analyze the Marxist or the Communist ideology, there's a spiritual aspect of it, too.
01:01:33.000I mean, the United States is being targeted because we are fundamentally a Christian nation built on Christian morals, built on Judeo-Christian morals, and Marxists can't stand that.
01:01:42.000Can you explain the difference between Communism and Marxism?
01:01:46.000Yeah, it's essentially the same thing.
01:01:50.000So communism is this false idea that there can be collective ownership of everything, that there's no private property, there's no one person in charge.
01:02:04.000So Marxism pits One class against another.
01:02:08.000One saying that, you know, the working class is oppressed, they are oppressed by the ruling class, and in order to achieve communism, Marxism is the revolutionary tactic.
01:02:17.000That's why it's important, I think, to differentiate between communism and the Marxists that are behind the cultural revolution here, because they are trying to destabilize our society using that tactic to achieve communism.
01:02:28.000So there could be other tactics to achieve communism than Marxism, including perhaps economic technocracy.
01:02:35.000Something where we're all the same in a machine, yeah.
01:02:39.000I have a whole chapter in my book about technocracy because technocracy is ruled by the experts, right?
01:02:43.000Like, you can't question Fauci because Fauci is the technocrat.
01:02:47.000The root of technocracy can be traced all the way back to French socialists and Russian Marxists who were part of the Bolshevik Revolution.
01:02:54.000There was a Russian Marxist who actually described technocracy as a stepping stone from capitalism to communism.
01:03:02.000Because this was always the problem for communists and Marxists, right?
01:03:04.000People aren't just going to wake up one day and be like, oh, cool, we live in a free society.
01:03:09.000There has to be some frog in a pot of boiling water moment in a culture where people are slowly introduced, you know, incrementally into communism.
01:03:19.000Technocracy is the stepping stone for that.
01:03:22.000That's why we see it with the administrative state.
01:03:38.000And it's conditioning people not to question, not to dissent, just to obey, which is the communist way.
01:03:44.000Are there historically examples of nations or people going towards that communist route and then stopping and saying, hell no, realizing what's happening and turning around?
01:03:54.000Has it ever been a peaceful regurgitation?
01:03:57.000I think it's probably hard to cite examples because it wouldn't be documented as a significant moment if it just reversed itself and never really went that way.
01:04:04.000It's a good question, though, because it's kind of a chilling question if you think about it.
01:04:08.000If we can't sit here and name a cultural revolution that headed or that was trying to transform a free society to a communist society, it means that often it wasn't stopped.
01:04:18.000It either wasn't significant enough or it wasn't stopped, because the examples that I can think of are examples that took a relatively free or relatively religious society and turned it into oppression, tyranny, and death.
01:05:01.000That's why I I don't consider myself a cynic, I do consider myself a skeptic, because I don't trust these people.
01:05:08.000I don't trust the, like, AI, people always talk about AI being this, like, sentient being, this, like, this thing that can take over and think for itself, and I'm like, no, somebody is behind writing the algorithms of all of those things, and that somebody is someone whose ideology is very different than ours, who wants to use that, to influence the way that we or our children or whoever think so that they can convince those people to act in certain ways that benefit their political ideology.
01:05:48.000He's willing to speak to people that might be the most outside, if you're not in the system, the most terrifying force on earth is this World Economic Forum trying to put people in pods and chip their brains and read their thoughts, pre-crime, stuff like that.
01:05:58.000But Yuval was talking about intelligence and consciousness and how they're not really the same necessarily.
01:06:03.000We're building machines that are intelligent, but do they have consciousness?
01:06:10.000The question is, how do you prove consciousness?
01:06:13.000Yeah, he didn't have an answer for that either.
01:06:16.000It's such a... This is a great Star Trek episode where Data the Android is effectively on trial because they're trying to determine whether or not he is a sentient being with rights or a washing machine.
01:06:26.000And so, as we're getting closer and closer to simulated consciousness, where we know we fabricated it, but we can't determine... Like, I'll put it this way, with Chad Deep, GPT, and where we're headed with these video games, Already you've got this mod on Skyrim where you can talk to a video game character and it will talk back using chat GPT.
01:06:48.000We're a few years away from... I guess you can say passing the Turing Test is something long since passed.
01:06:54.000What we're getting to is you will be presented with...
01:06:58.000two, two, two, a microphone and two speakers and you'll be asked to ask a question
01:07:05.000and then you tell us which one you think is real and which one you think is fake.
01:07:07.000Already there's a game called, I think it's called Bot or Not or something like that,
01:07:11.000where you, what happens is you get placed in a random chat It's a black screen with green text.
01:07:41.000And people are not gonna be able to do it.
01:07:43.000What they'll probably have to do is more than just two, because then you get a 50-50 thing.
01:07:46.000They'll have to do like 10, and they'll have one AI in there, and then they'll see what percentage people can accurately guess which one's the AI.
01:07:56.000But once we get to that point where people cannot, and I think we're really close to that already, Then there's going to be a question of what is sentience at all?
01:08:04.000Because if you walk up to a person on the street and you say, are you alive?
01:08:47.000This is why I always have to bring it back to religion.
01:08:49.000I know that so many Republicans and conservatives and red-pilled people don't want to marry religion and politics, and I get that, but we can't answer these existential questions if you don't have some baseline foundational beliefs about reality.
01:09:05.000Like, sentience is determined by if you're a human being, if you're made in the image and likeness of God.
01:09:09.000Again, it doesn't mean you have to worship God, but if you can't answer that baseline question, then you're gonna mistake a machine for a real person and try to get a machine rights.
01:09:17.000Like, really, do you think a robot should have rights?
01:09:39.000And Happy, unlike other elephants, has passed a self-awareness test because they put an X on Happy's forehead.
01:09:46.000So legally the elephant is regarded as a thing, right?
01:09:49.000It doesn't have rights because it's not a human.
01:09:52.000It obviously deserves to be well cared for and whatever else, but it's not entitled to rights the same as humans are.
01:09:56.000So they said it passed the self-awareness test because there was a white X on its forehead and it used its trunk to touch it when looking in the mirror.
01:10:06.000And therefore, you know, it's entitled to rights over where it lives and things like that.
01:10:10.000And I found this really interesting because obviously, I mean, you're a Catholic, we could maybe make you talk about it, but sometimes people will write in and when James is here, he has to define the differences between different types of souls, right?
01:10:24.000This idea that something is aware of itself, that it has intelligence, that it's able to react to something, is that the same thing as consciousness?
01:10:30.000Is that the same thing as what humans experience?
01:10:32.000And whenever we talk about it in terms of AI and robots, I think of this conversation in terms of Happy the Elephant.
01:10:38.000AI bots will get human rights and will be regarded identically to any other biologically born human for one simple reason.
01:10:48.000Therefore, the default legal position would have to be to protect the innocent.
01:10:53.000And if you can't determine whether or not someone is an artificial intelligence or an actual person, then they both must be treated as though they're real people who are deserving of rights.
01:11:04.000Which means there will be online bots that will be protected legally in terms of the First Amendment.
01:11:09.000There will be If we ever get to the point of human-like androids that are indistinguishable from humans, you will not be able to violate the Fourth Amendment rights of someone by scanning their bodies or something to see if they are or aren't.
01:11:22.000I could imagine giving them personhood.
01:12:20.000We are both organic creatures and also spiritual beings.
01:12:24.000And if we allow science, who I assume is the ones coining sentience and consciousness, to redefine what makes us a person versus the spiritual reality of what makes us a person, then we are going to descend into that kind of chaos.
01:12:38.000It's inevitable, but we shouldn't allow that to happen.
01:12:41.000I mean, I reject the idea of sentience and consciousness as a barometer or a standard for giving someone rights, because think about an infant.
01:12:51.000Like a zero to three month old has neither of those two things.
01:12:53.000Think about somebody who's mentally disabled.
01:12:56.000Then when you can prove souls exist, we can determine who gets rights and who doesn't.
01:13:00.000But that's the basis of our country was built on the belief that they do.
01:13:04.000That's the thing, like what I'm presenting here is not a new idea, it's not a religious, it's not me being like a bible thumper, it's like our constitution Acknowledged.
01:13:11.000I mean, even our Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson said we were by our creator, right?
01:13:16.000And so the problem is, if two people walk up to a cop, and they both look indistinguishable from each other, and they both point at the other and say, they're a robot, what's the cop to do?
01:13:27.000Is he going to pull out his soul detection system to figure out which one's worthy of human rights and which one isn't?
01:13:31.000Or what if he says, you know what, you're both robots, and then shoots them both?
01:13:36.000Turns out the cop was the robot the whole time.
01:13:39.000What if the cop says, I'm gonna use this scanning device on you, and the person says, that's a violation of my Fourth Amendment rights, you can't use that on me.
01:13:45.000But if you have nothing to hide, then why would you say no?
01:13:47.000Doesn't matter, Fourth Amendment, you need a warrant, you need probable cause for a search like that, you can't just walk up to me and do it.
01:13:52.000And the cop says, I don't care about your rights, because you might be a robot.
01:14:44.000I, as a human being of soul and mind, am barred from stepping on the other side of this fence for some arbitrary reason, but the animal is free from the consequences of law.
01:14:58.000We don't care at all that these animals are coming and going as they please, pooping wherever they want.
01:15:04.000With great intelligence comes great responsibility.
01:16:07.000So that, that, that, you know, but if you're like a duck and someone goes near your babies and then the duck, let's say, I shouldn't say your duck, but if a duck, if you go near a duck's babies and it starts attacking you, they're going to yell at you and be like, get away from the duck's babies.
01:16:24.000I mean, it's kind of like that comparison that if you break the egg of a bald eagle, you're liable under federal crime, but you can abort a human child and you're allowed to do it.
01:17:14.000If you start climbing up towards a bird's nest and the bird starts pecking your head, that bird is not going to be harmed in any way by anyone.
01:17:21.000In fact, humans will yell at you for having done it.
01:17:24.000If you grab the egg from a bird's nest and throw it, your neighbors will probably get really, really mad at you and complain about what you did, but you can quite literally.
01:17:33.000What do you think would happen if a woman who was eight months pregnant in Colorado was walking into an abortion clinic, and before she went in, she just smashed a bunch of duck eggs?
01:17:44.000People would say, how dare you smash those duck eggs?
01:17:50.000And then she goes, sorry about that, and then she goes inside and, right.
01:17:53.000So the reason I think, and so all of this is so funny, it is true.
01:17:56.000I mean, it's true, it's funny because it's true, but it's also because humans aren't governed by absolute freedom.
01:18:03.000We have an acknowledgement that we are supposed to live within some sort of moral order.
01:18:07.000So, perhaps smashing duck eggs for no reason, or shooting a bald eagle just to make it a trophy, or harming an animal, or, you know, killing an endangered species.
01:18:16.000We as a society acknowledge that that's an immoral thing, which is why our actions are governed by a government that's supposed to be comprised of ourselves.
01:18:24.000And so we're supposed to live in some kind of order.
01:18:26.000We're not supposed to live in anarchy the way that animals do.
01:18:29.000How do we create the moral structure sociologically?
01:18:33.000Literally, with this technology in modern day, how, what do you propose?
01:18:41.000Well, luckily, I don't have to be the one that answers that question in the sense that I don't have to write that code.
01:18:46.000We don't have to decide that in a populist manner.
01:18:49.000I mean, the way that our government was already created was to be governed by morality as defined by original — Edmund Burke called it original justice, which is natural law.
01:19:00.000So natural law is your ability to reason as a human being, my ability to reason.
01:19:04.000We know that it's immoral to go out and be a serial killer.
01:19:07.000We know that not because it's socialized into us, but we know that that's inherently wrong.
01:19:12.000We are able, actually, to discern right from wrong without being taught.
01:19:17.000That's why the Marxists try to indoctrinate our children so young, so that they can twist our understanding of reason or our reason in being able to discern natural law.
01:19:27.000So, our society should be based—our laws and our moral order should be based on natural law.
01:19:31.000Again, not forcing anyone to worship any god that they don't want to, but the laws of our society should be based on the definition of right and wrong and justice and liberty as already defined by our Creator.
01:19:47.000Is that—do you think that's punishable by—like, they used to kill people for that kind of thing, but—desperate times, you know, but like, what do you—is that moral or just for a starving family to steal food?
01:19:58.000It seems like the exception to the rule and not the rule.
01:20:01.000If we have a society that's based on moral order, there should be other recourse before that's necessary.
01:20:07.000I mean, no, I don't think that killing someone for stealing food is a just punishment.
01:20:11.000But theoretically, a moral society would have other people who feel obligated to help those who are less fortunate.
01:20:16.000But don't make the mistake of comparing ancient law to modern context.
01:20:20.000Stealing food 2,000 years ago, you would be killing the person you stole the food from.
01:20:24.000Food was harder to come by, people were more strained, and someone who was selling food, like, food was accounted for.
01:20:31.000So if you were like, I'm starving so I'm gonna steal from you, it's like you are sentencing my family to death.
01:20:35.000Yeah, that's actually a really good point, because now it's like, well, you're too lazy to get a job, or you wanted something that was too expensive for you, or you're not behaving the way that you're supposed to be behaving.
01:20:44.000Our society is abundant with resources.
01:20:46.000There's no reason that anyone should be stealing food now.
01:20:49.000You can, I mean, I'm a conservative and I still believe in a limited government welfare safety net for people who can't help themselves, right?
01:21:20.000Well, the last part, I was just going to talk about intelligence, sentience, and consciousness again, those three words and how they form into the totalitarian step towards communism.
01:21:30.000Let's talk a bit about philosophy and religion.
01:21:32.000We do the members portion, because I do want to talk about a news segment for our last segment for Super Chats.
01:21:36.000We have this tweet from Matthew Iglesias, and he asked an interesting question.
01:21:40.000He says, I'm a very literal-minded person, but I don't understand the idea of a guy currently losing the race for the GOP presidential nomination debating a Democrat who isn't running.
01:21:49.000I want to pause real quick and say, just because dissenters may be dropping in polls, Doesn't mean he shouldn't be debating anybody.
01:21:55.000No, I mean, he's trying to win, so he's going to do this.
01:21:57.000But it is an interesting question of why Ron DeSantis, who's in second place, is debating a guy who's not running for office.
01:22:04.000So we have the story here from Politico.
01:22:06.000DeSantis agrees to debate Gavin Newsom on Fox News.
01:22:09.000The California governor has been trying to get his Florida Republican counterparts to engage.
01:22:18.000Well, I think you mentioned it before the show.
01:22:19.000I mean, I think they are both trying to gain attention.
01:22:22.000I think that they both would ultimately like to be the people who are facing off on the ticket.
01:22:26.000I think if they had done this at the height of COVID, when they both had such different strategies, it would be a really interesting conversation.
01:22:32.000For now, it just seems like their establishments are trying to rally around them and make it seem like they are really the people in charge.
01:22:38.000Especially interesting because Joe Biden is the incumbent.
01:22:41.000Yeah, this strikes me as like a measuring contest.
01:22:44.000They're gonna whip it out and see who has a bigger GDP.
01:22:59.000I think this would have been so much more interesting if this was done six months ago, before DeSantis announced that he was running for president, because this is a legitimate debate, how California handled COVID versus how Florida handled COVID.
01:23:09.000If you could have two states that are like, Case studies against each other, it would be great.
01:23:14.000Yeah, and the American people really want to know that.
01:23:17.000And a critique of Ron DeSantis since he launched his campaign is this is what he should have launched his campaign on.
01:23:23.000Instead of attacking Trump personally or having his surrogates attack Trump, he should have just constantly been talking about what they did during COVID and people could make the comparison for themselves without feeling that he or his people were attacking Trump.
01:23:35.000So maybe this is his attempt to reset his campaign since it was kind of a slow Roll out to use a kind word there.
01:23:42.000DeSantis, I think, is just so bitter that Joe Biden is going to be the nominee for 2024.
01:24:25.000Taking the jacket off, losing his tie, and then screaming for help.
01:24:27.000And then putting on every single television network.
01:24:30.000What was it like when you saved the president's life?
01:24:35.000That is the best case scenario Democrats could have to get this guy in the race.
01:24:39.000I would also like to, I think that is the best case scenario.
01:24:41.000It makes me wonder, as we know, Joe Biden famously spends most of his weekends, almost all of them in Delaware, where one could maybe potentially get secret medical treatment.
01:24:51.000I wonder if there will be, I'm just gonna say, I don't know.
01:24:56.000I wonder if, sort of along the same lines, we're going to get an announcement that tragically Joe Biden has some sort of terminal illness that won't allow him to continue.
01:25:05.000So though he wanted to, we've got to have someone else come forward and this will place Newsom as the obvious contender.
01:25:10.000It depends on how sneaky and capable you think Democrats are.
01:25:14.000Because if Joe Biden says, I'm sick, that's really damaging for the Democrats as a brand.
01:25:19.000They're sickly leader and they were forced to replace him.
01:25:22.000Gavin Newsom then steps into the fray as a second tier Joe Biden.
01:25:30.000And even with the scenario described, I do not see a landslide possibility, right?
01:25:35.000You'd think about, you go back in time when the country is a bit more cohesive, a president having a heart attack on stage, and someone running out and saving his life with CPR, that guy's gonna have an approval rating in the 80s or 90s.
01:25:47.000And he says something like, I may disagree, we may be political rivals, but we're all Americans, and they're gonna be screaming and cheering.
01:25:53.000Even with something like that, Democrats would not be able to muster landslide level votes because people are torn apart.
01:26:08.000I'm just saying it's probably, again, depending on what they're able to stage, it's probably simpler if they just say Joe Biden has to exit, he's not going to be around.
01:26:55.000It may not be as effective as they hope it is, but it is their weapon.
01:26:59.000Thinking in that context, I've said, if Donald Trump did not stop the rioting on May 29th in D.C., he'd still be president, because the narrative would be inverted.
01:27:07.000In that same context, I'm thinking forward.
01:27:10.000What could the Democrats do that would guarantee a victory, or at least to a certain degree, rapidly accelerate their possibility of winning?
01:27:18.000And it's Gavin Newsom on camera on every major network performing CPR on Joe Biden and saving his life.
01:27:23.000It also explains why he would leapfrog Kamala Harris.
01:27:39.000If I could make an arrangement where I had a stand-in or a front man or front woman to be president and they had an earpiece in and I was just in my basement in my sweats looking through the stuff and I could sort of deliver the lines while someone was doing all the talking and ceremony, I'd be fine with that.
01:27:53.000And Joe Biden was like, I'm your man, don't even worry about it.
01:27:55.000No, they were like, Joe Biden, you're the man!
01:29:23.000I am critical of debates because I feel like these big stage, you know, you have 6, 12 candidates on where they scream at each other and try to get their viral moments.
01:29:34.000But I think one-on-one debates, I mean, you see this with culture war, can be really effective.
01:29:39.000And having governors face off, especially on issues where their states in particular become representations of cultural differences, that would be super cool.
01:29:47.000I would love to see the governor of Washington debate the governor of Idaho on the abortion travel law, right?
01:29:52.000There are things that could be good about this format.
01:29:54.000I'm just saying right now this is obviously playing into the presidential candidate as opposed to the welfare of their states.
01:29:59.000There are two factions in this country that we here at TimCast are unable to book, and it is prominent leftist personalities and the DeSantis campaign.
01:30:15.000I had someone tell me that they don't want to come on IRL, someone who's for DeSantis, say, well, you know, IRL's too pro-Trump, so it's not even worth going on.
01:30:24.000But I feel like it is worth coming on to at least Talk about it, but they feel like they're walking into a hostile environment.
01:30:29.000We had Lance from the Serfs and Vosh come on this show.
01:30:33.000You know, we had Emma from the Majority Report come on the show.
01:30:36.000What would you ask them if they came on the show?
01:30:40.000We would have any DeSantis supporter on the show the same as we're having you on the show, and we would talk about the exact same things.
01:30:45.000But they've explicitly said they won't have people on the show.
01:30:48.000And so we're actually supposed to have a big culture war show, not this week, next week, debating between two supporters of DeSantis, a DeSantis supporter and a Trump supporter, and the DeSantis supporter just said he wants to back out because he's now backing Trump.
01:31:03.000And we were trying to get someone from DeSantis' campaign, we can't do it.
01:31:06.000Because I think that's actually what I feel like you want in particular, you know, to have a variety of opinions.
01:31:47.000You want to have more information, and especially, like, if you had someone who was on the Santa's campaign here, we could ask more specific questions about what's going on, and they could answer them.
01:32:11.000But then the next week, the question was, do we ask the former Trump's, former DeSantis supporter, now Trump supporter to just bow out and we'll find someone who's backing DeSantis?
01:32:20.000Or do we actually just keep the booking as it is and then hear the arguments as to why he no longer does and why he did?
01:32:27.000It's tough because there are a few people we could... I could probably reach out to John Cardell and ask him if he wants to come on and debate pro-DeSantis.
01:32:33.000I think Kurt Schlichter might be a DeSantis supporter, I'm not entirely sure.
01:32:36.000There's a handful that are, you know, in the bag for... in the corner for DeSantis.
01:32:43.000Just keep it as it is and hear why this guy no longer supports DeSantis, or should we try and get somebody else?
01:32:47.000I think Cordillo would be interesting, just because he was so gung-ho.
01:32:50.000I wonder if he's still as gung-ho as he was in the past.
01:32:53.000I'm just gonna- I'm just gonna say who it is.
01:32:56.000Well, I won't say who the person is who's no longer backing DeSantis, because that's their private business to announce, but Laura Loomer will be coming on, and then we are looking for someone who is a DeSantis supporter.
01:33:07.000I feel like it would be interesting to hear this person's perspective of why they were for DeSantis and then change.
01:33:12.000In terms of a debate, to keep that spirit of culture war alive, I do feel like you have to find someone from the DeSantis camp.
01:33:20.000Well, the question is, like, you've had a lot of people on, like, maybe there are DeSantis people who have been on the show before who would be willing to do it if John Cardillo asked.
01:33:28.000I think it would be more interesting for a debate if someone was, like, already very committed to the DeSantis camp, committed to the Trump camp.
01:33:34.000It's not going to be really that same.
01:34:36.000And I'd love to have a show with one of Trump's most ardent supporters and one of DeSantis' most ardent supporters, but we cannot get DeSantis' most ardent supporters.
01:34:49.000Just start saying they want to come on.
01:34:50.000And I think we should just comb back through who's been on IRL and see, like, if they'd be willing to come on.
01:34:54.000Because I think some of it is, I would at least personally, like, if you're not aware of what the environment's like, feeling like you're going into a place that, like, already hates you, I mean, that takes a lot of nerve.
01:35:05.000The unfortunate issue is that the people- Not that we hate DeSantis supporters, that's not it.
01:35:08.000The DeSantis supporters, I'll just keep this vague as I can, people we've had on the show before who are now in the DeSantis camp are barred from coming on the show.
01:36:12.000So I won't say too much about that because I was like, you know, talking to Lisa Reynolds, she does the booking, I was like, if we get more than three people, we have to get an auditorium and do like a big thing.
01:36:21.000But it would be cool if it was just sitting around a table and everyone kind of just like talking at each other would be, it's a better form.
01:36:34.000It would be really great to have like Vivek.
01:36:38.000If Vivek was talking with Marianne Williamson, it's going to be a polite, cordial conversation about these issues.
01:36:43.000It would be a fantastic quote unquote debate because they're going to be professional and polite and have a real conversation with each other in front of people, as opposed to this current system that we've been doing where it's like, question for you and you can respond.
01:36:57.000Here's the million dollar question is if you had all the Republican candidates sitting around the table, who would you sit next to each other?
01:37:11.000It'd be like Donald would be like, you can sit at the head of the table, Donald, because it's the chair we use the least, but he wouldn't know.
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01:38:13.000We do those Mondays through Thursday at 10 p.m.
01:38:15.000And tonight we're gonna talk about moral philosophy and religion.
01:38:18.000Because we do this periodically and I think I always love an opportunity to do so, but I really want to talk about the structure of government, who we vote for, why, and what we need in this country as it pertains to ethics, morals, religious and spiritual values.
01:38:30.000So that'll be a deep conversation and U.S.
01:38:35.000I'm not your buddy guy says the biggest reason why I believe 2020 was genuine fraud is because a a month prior to the election the Google trending search was penalties for voter fraud and be the response after 2020 I mean it was like Anthony Weiner defending himself and the Clinton body count absurd if anything there needs to be a deep dive into the Intel community and what they do as I would not be surprised if decades ago they tried to cheat communists from winning I hear ya.
01:39:03.000Well, Vivek is filing these DOJ FOIA requests to figure out what they were saying to each other relating to the indictments of Donald Trump.
01:40:02.000He hasn't announced yet because Biden's still in the way, but I believe it's a fair point that the intelligence agencies would love to have DeSantis versus Newsom.
01:40:10.000Biden is too weak, probably can't win.
01:40:12.000DeSantis is going to get elected, and then he's going to compromise in the same way Trump did.
01:41:41.000But it tracks in simple language my exercise routine.
01:41:46.000So for instance, I skated pretty heavily on Monday.
01:41:49.000And then it showed me what degree of recovery I'm at throughout the day and the level of intensity I should be exercising at to maintain maximum recovery.
01:42:38.000You and Luke are both really, like, libertarian, outspoken about, like, no, World Economic Forum, we're not going to get in your pod, but, like, why do you track your biometrics?
01:42:46.000Because that's sending it right to them.
01:42:48.000I think that's the hard thing, because there are times that it's really interesting to know how your body's responding and your heart rate.
01:42:53.000It's massively valuable data, I agree.
01:43:06.000Your oxygen levels, your heart rate variability, your heart rate.
01:43:09.000Heart rate's the easiest one, obviously.
01:43:12.000It's tracking data points we can't perceive as humans.
01:43:15.000There will come a time, and we're very very close to this already, where you'll buy the watch, you'll put it on, and then after a week it'll say, after analyzing your data, We have found that you have these, you know, these markers and it'll be like pre-diabetic, it'll say potential cancer at this age, you know, heart health issues at this age.
01:43:36.000It can see things in the data that we can't notice, but when enough people use these health trackers, pros and cons, man, I totally get it.
01:43:43.000Mass spying versus, you know, AI benefit.
01:43:46.000If everybody used this, the network would know, okay, all diabetics have this level of X. All cancer patients have this level of X. And then, when you put it on, it'll be able to diagnose you instantly.
01:44:00.000You don't have to go to the doctor, it'll just be like, based on everything we know about humans, You have this problem, and you need this medicine.
01:44:06.000If it's an honest AI, but if the code is proprietary, I could see it being like, uh-oh, they watched one of our commercials, and it's making them stressed and cancerous.
01:44:12.000I was gonna say, you forgot about the part of the algorithm that's like, you're white, so you can go to the back of the line for the medical care that you need.
01:44:42.000Where you can look at Devin Archer saying we were selling the brand of the Bidens and Joe Biden's on the phone, that Hunter Biden and BRISMA executives called D.C.
01:44:51.000because the prosecutor was putting pressure on us, and then Joe Biden went and got the prosecutor fired.
01:44:56.000There's no sane, reasonable person who is being honest who can say that Joe Biden's intentions were completely coincidental.
01:45:03.000I think somebody was saying- It just so happened to be that way!
01:48:29.000Leon Yoder says Marlene Barbera is fighting cancer.
01:48:32.000She was dropped by her Portland Health Clinic for transphobia after staff at her clinic saw a private message to her, to her doctor, where she criticized a trans flag inside the clinic.
01:49:08.000But I do think it's important to recognize that hyper-individualism is what brings us to where we are today.
01:49:13.000Because nobody knows their neighbors anymore and they mind their own business and they don't form communities and defend those communities.
01:49:39.000David Magdaleno says, Tim, is it just me or did Big Daddy government give the green light to YouTube to lift the ban on speaking about J6 so they could indict Trump lest they ban literally all of the news podcasts?
01:50:46.000I think the first thing you'll see is going to be curing paralysis.
01:50:50.000Stem cells can help, but also Neuralink, and Neuralink might be the fastest way to do it.
01:50:55.000They'll say stem cells can take years, you know, you get the injection, it can be months, a lot of rehabilitation.
01:51:00.000With Neuralink, the connection is instantaneously applied, and you should be walking within a month or two, once you, like, get the signals and figure it out and everything.
01:51:10.000But then, the people who get the Neuralink for that are gonna start talking about, not only do they have the ability to walk, but now they can just think the internet.
01:51:39.000Lemma says, for Ian's question, Israel was a heavily socialist country, and they did away with it in the 80s and became capitalist.
01:51:46.000The current political turmoil there is the socialist-dominated, overly-powered Supreme Court not wanting to give up its unfairly-consolidated powers.
01:52:19.000Because that kind of stuff can be real.
01:52:22.000People can track your thought patterns, you gotta have none.
01:52:24.000There's a funny new episode of Beavis and Butthead because they're doing the new season and they're meditating with their hippie teacher and he's like, clear your mind to reach a higher mental state.
01:52:34.000And then because they have nothing in their brains, they just instantly elevate to Shambhala.
01:52:39.000There's like a bunch of religious leaders are there and like Buddhas are there.
01:53:11.000You were saying, I think this is in reference to when Liz said that as a mom, you're told not to question the pediatrician, not to question anything.
01:53:19.000They're acting like you're wasting their time, I think is what he's saying.
01:53:23.000Yeah, I mean, it's kind of crazy actually when you have a baby at first, you go into the pediatrician and they just like, any question you have, they're just like, the science, can't question it, you're crazy, we'll fire you if you don't do what we say.
01:53:33.000Like, they're not collaborative at all.
01:53:39.000But that's hard because, especially if you live, I don't know how rural the area you live in is, but like, you can run out of pediatricians, you can end up driving big distances.
01:54:20.000That's what I'm saying, like, who invented that?
01:54:22.000Like, why do we think of a flying saucer and little green men?
01:54:24.000Because that was science fiction, someone invented that.
01:54:26.000Like, why is that more real to people than something that's invisible, but that throughout human history we've acknowledged is real, that there's a spiritual battle around us?
01:55:45.000But that ties in with the demon concept.
01:55:48.000Like if it's a pattern of energy that's manipulating mental states, like that could be pervasive throughout the system.
01:55:54.000Let's talk about demons, and we'll talk more about this in the members only, because I got a lot of things to ask, but I want to read some more Super Chats.
01:56:00.000I think it'll be a really good conversation.
01:56:03.000Chad Shin says, Hey guys, great show tonight.
01:56:05.000I'm starting a YouTube Rumble channel, streaming 5m Farm Sim 22 and other games.
01:56:11.000Plus was wondering if you needed a handyman around your compound.
01:56:34.000It's really a fascinating moment, a profound... A profound moment in my life is when the first time a thing happened at Timcast that I had nothing to do with, it was a crazy thing for me.
01:56:45.000Because, like, when the company first starts, like, I'm running everything.
01:56:48.000And then one day I walk into, like, the office and I see this, like, binder of, like, TimCast policy procedure and stuff, and I was like, not only did I have nothing to do with it, I didn't even know anyone was going to be doing it.
01:57:37.000Stephen Wolfe says Tim Cass and Joe Rogan should host the debates 2024.
01:57:42.000I would never host any kind of debate they do, but in the sense of Tim Cass and Joe Rogan should have presidential candidates on their shows, sometimes together, it's a very, very good idea.
01:57:55.000I think Joe is, um... The reason why Joe Rogan's show is so important is that he knows so much about so much.
01:58:05.000He can provide a general audience-seeking entertainment, especially when it comes to, like, MMA fans who just like watching a show, with general knowledge of things the mainstream press does not give people.
01:58:16.000And then what we have here is probably similar politics, but hyper-esoteric and hard for the general public.
01:58:24.000So if you really wanted to have, like, a good debate that would reach the most people, it would be Joe Rogan with, like, two different candidates on and them just talking.
01:58:33.000I think if we did it, like, the stuff we're talking about with Joe Biden and Burisma is gonna go over the heads of the average person.
01:58:39.000Like, we should do it, but it's for a politically-minded audience.
01:58:42.000If you're trying to win votes and trying to expose, you know, the average person to new ideas, Joe Rogan clearly is the guy.
01:58:48.000And I think it was Patrick that David was telling him to have Trump on.
01:59:00.000And Joe was talking about how he would ask him about the deep state, about the inner workings of politics, what it's like when you get in there.
01:59:06.000And those are the questions that matter.
01:59:08.000Joe was saying before his concern was that he would help Trump or whatever.
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02:01:14.000And we're gonna talk about angels, demons, aliens, and moral philosophy, and what this country needs in terms of religion and spirituality.