On this week's episode of The Besties, the boys are joined by their good friend Zog to talk about the latest in the Trump-Russia scandal, the Hulapu incident, and Elon Musk. Plus, we have a special guest appearance from our good friend Michael Malice.
00:00:25.000All right, to be completely honest, I don't like being the subject of the news story.
00:00:29.000As much as people try to claim that, they're like, oh, he was trying to get attention or whatever.
00:00:33.000You know, we wanted to have, we had an opportunity, we thought we were lucky to have several people on the show who were in the news, because even right now, Mitch McConnell's coming out, you've got Piers Morgan coming out, stories about Donald Trump refusing to denounce Nick Fuentes because he doesn't want to alienate voters.
00:00:49.000It's unfortunate we weren't able to actually talk about the news, but we have a lot of details to go through.
00:00:53.000Stuff I talked about in the morning, new details that have emerged now, that they had a private plane ready for them after they left the show, which it's entirely possible they were able to to get a private plane very, very quickly, but it also seems Very, very rare and unlikely.
00:01:11.000But again, I don't want to accuse them of anything.
00:01:13.000I think it's possible that they had this planned.
00:01:16.000They've been adamant they didn't plan this.
00:01:18.000And I think it worked out very well for somebody who wanted revenge on Trump, considering the news cycle.
00:01:22.000So we'll talk about that, plus what's been going on outside of that.
00:01:25.000And of course, we'll talk about censorship and Elon Musk.
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00:01:33.000We didn't have one yesterday because, you know, we had Yayan and he left.
00:04:27.000That was a chaotic situation last night.
00:04:28.000I hope that we get a chance to talk to them in the future and kind of figure out, you know, like I was saying last night, they're like, Ian, would you have them back on?
00:04:34.000And I'm like, yeah, I'm the kind of guy where they're like, why would you interview the devil, Crossland?
00:04:38.000And I'm like, because people keep saying he's evil.
00:05:24.000They're panicking over Section 230 reform.
00:05:27.000The Supreme Court has agreed to take up a case pertaining to recommendations.
00:05:31.000And so YouTube is now actively lobbying prominent creators, I suppose.
00:05:36.000I got an email and it asked me to sign up for a certain date to talk to their head of policy.
00:05:40.000He was very nice, but I was personally offended at the things that he was saying.
00:05:46.000So I'm not trying to be mean to the guy.
00:05:47.000We're going to talk again probably tomorrow.
00:05:49.000But it seemed like they were trying to lobby me to agree that YouTube should have the right to be politically biased and be immune from defamation, which I absolutely do not.
00:05:59.000So we'll talk about that too, but we got to get into this stuff.
00:06:58.000So here's what I want to say because right now there's a lot of stories, you know, Trump is being told that he's got to denounce these guys.
00:07:07.000There was a story that popped up on Fox 5.
00:07:10.000Kanye West spotted in Frederick after storming off of podcast.
00:07:13.000Here's the potential scenario to be fair.
00:07:17.000The scenario is they abruptly left the show.
00:07:27.000Milo and Nick, working for Ye, wouldn't stick around and left.
00:07:31.000Immediately, they called a charter company to schedule a private plane who was very, very, they were very lucky that a hot crew, they're on the ground ready to go, was available nearby and was able to then dispatch a plane to Frederick that they could then get into within a couple hours' notice.
00:08:13.000We have this show, and I think it was the first thing Nick said on the show was that something about, isn't it really them?
00:08:19.000And then immediately Ye gets up and walks out.
00:08:21.000Downstairs, smile on his face, eating cookies.
00:08:24.000Apparently, one of our guys here said that when they were leaving, he said something like, I came, did the show, got what I needed, now I'm done.
00:08:49.000The first thing out of, uh, I believe it was the first thing out of Nick's mouth was, but isn't it them?
00:08:55.000And then Ye leaves right around the half an hour mark when we're at 100,000 concurrent viewers.
00:09:00.000And that said to me, they had to have planned this.
00:09:02.000Then I saw the video of them going to the Frederick airport, boarding what appears to be a super mid private jet right after the show, within a few hours.
00:09:10.000And I was like, how did they charter a private jet that fast?
00:09:16.000I know where the jet originated, we did some sleuthing to figure it out.
00:09:19.000What happened was, about a half an hour's flight time away, a hot crew, this is what I'm told, it is entirely possible, these are by the experts in the private aviation, a hot crew was available, I'm sorry, what they said was, a plane nearby flew to Frederick, Landed for about an hour and then departed with them.
00:09:40.000It is entirely possible that they happened upon what's called a hot crew, that's what they said, meaning there were people on the ground working, ready to take off, but for no reason.
00:09:52.000Yay, he's a very powerful, wealthy individual.
00:09:54.000Perhaps he knows somebody and someone has his back.
00:09:57.000It's interesting considering everything he's been saying about how they're trying to arrest him and shut him down and silence him and censor him, but apparently he was able to get, within two hours' notice, a super mid-private jet to fly from here to Los Angeles with a crew active.
00:10:12.000I don't know what happened, but to me it sounds staged.
00:10:15.000It sounds like they knew in advance they'd be leaving, at least Ye may have.
00:10:31.000And Kanye's grasping at straws to try and find someone to help him.
00:10:35.000And Nick was so kind the entire time he was here.
00:10:38.000Like, I've heard stuff about him, I've seen him say stuff online out of context that's racist, but when you see him eyes-to-eyes, like, the guy is looking for friends.
00:10:45.000Like, he doesn't probably, he's lived in an environment where he didn't have a lot of friends.
00:10:49.000So, when you, what happened was, you and Kanye were going back and forth and kind of interrupting each other.
00:10:53.000You mentioned at one point, Tim, you were holding your finger up, indicating you want to jump in.
00:11:01.000So, as soon as the show started, His demeanor changed.
00:11:03.000So you guys were kind of had an agreement, like, we're gonna kind of talk over each other, we're gonna flow, but then when Nick chimed in and you interrupted Nick, Kanye's face dropped, and then he got out.
00:11:12.000He was like, that's, you crossed the line.
00:11:13.000When you interrupt me, that's okay, you interrupt Nick, I'm out.
00:11:15.000Before the show, when we're doing pre-show and setting up, it was so different.
00:11:19.000Kanye said, uh, yay, I'm sorry, said a few things, I pushed back, and he just had a smile on his face and is nodding along like, whatever.
00:11:26.000The show comes on, And all of a sudden he's like, we went to Trump's dinner.
00:11:44.000He asked Fuentes about Pence and what Trump.
00:11:46.000I said we'll use this story to launch the dinner and the controversy caused by it, and I'll ask you about how this dinner came to be, what do you think about it, what happened with it, and then what is Yay 24?
00:12:21.000That is not... Piers Morgan had a piece today that he, you know, he won The Apprentice.
00:12:26.000He was, I think, the first winner of The Celebrity Apprentice.
00:12:28.000He was interviewing Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
00:12:30.000The Secret Service, you know, basically gives you an anal swab if you're going to meet a former president, especially if you're dealing at Mar-a-Lago, which not that long ago was raided because there were concerns about things that are classified or whatever, top secret, so on and so forth.
00:12:44.000I don't understand how, if you're running for president and this is the scenario in your home, you're going to have dinner with someone, anyone, and be like, oh yeah, you know, bring your buddies and not Be paranoid even just for security reasons.
00:13:03.000Here, when we're bringing people in, we have to send this big, long-winded email about who's allowed here, what this means, vetted by you, stuff like that.
00:13:13.000Now, I wouldn't say it's like we're that strict where we... But you're not the president!
00:13:20.000And the other thing is, like, Cenk Uygur had a tweet about, like, this isn't a surprise, this is who Trump hangs out with, white supremacists.
00:13:26.000It's like, when someone's the president, you know exactly who they're hanging out with.
00:13:29.000You know every minute of their day, what they're having for dinner and so on and so forth.
00:14:15.000I think, first of all, he has this boner for celebrities that is really demented.
00:14:19.000Because that explains why he's endorsing Dr. Oz, who believed Jussie Smollett, who was for trans kids surgeries, who had the whole laundry list of very lefty ideas.
00:14:29.000Hershel Walker, who's just a football star for Senate.
00:14:32.000The love affair Donald Trump has for people who are blue checks is demented.
00:14:38.000I think Ian's right about one thing, that this guy's looking for friends.
00:14:43.000I can't speak to the things that any of them have said in the past, like what I should say is like obviously they've said deplorable things, testable things, but what I genuinely believe is, we had Milo on this show a couple weeks ago, and he talked about supporting Trump, he talked about vengeance, he wasn't talking about this stuff.
00:15:00.000Wait, I'm going to disagree because I have receipts from Milo.
00:15:02.000Because when this all came out, I wrote a book about this.
00:15:04.000in Fuentes and now all of a sudden this is like a particular component of his career
00:15:09.000or his personality, what I think happens is when you cancel people, they go in the only
00:15:35.000He spoke out about it in a kind of tongue-in-cheek manner.
00:15:37.000I don't begrudge anyone who suffered through something like that how they should deal with the situation.
00:15:42.000And he was basically saying things like, okay, you know, this is something that I'm... He was kind of rationalizing it.
00:15:46.000Like, I'm glad this happened to me at a young age, as opposed to being like, holy crap, You know, I got my innocence taken up, taken from me at a time when it shouldn't have.
00:15:53.000So I think the fact that he was just like, you know, get out, like everything's ruined for you because of something that had been done to him where he was innocent as a kid or teenager, I thought was really kind of over the top.
00:16:03.000And clearly it was like Al Capone going to jail because of income taxes.
00:16:07.000They're just looking for an excuse to get rid of him.
00:16:09.000But he did an article a couple years ago with the Jewish Journal, because when this all came out, I'm like, I thought Milo was Jewish, because I remember this being a thing at the time when he pushed back about the Nazis about this.
00:16:18.000I sent the – hold on, let me pull it up.
00:16:19.000I got the DM here, and here's the article from the Jewish Journal.
00:16:25.000And he was talking about this then, because this is with the Jewish Journal, and he had said, I'm quoting Milo here, let me get it out, he goes, he thinks the Jewish community, the Jewish lobby would be well served to not throw a gasket every time someone throws out what it may appear to be an anti-Semitic trope, and he says, this is quoting Milo, just like I don't like left-wing political correctness about women and blacks and Muslims, I don't like right-wing political correctness about Jews and Israels.
00:16:50.000So, and he said, people claim that really stupid things are anti-semitic that are not really anti-semitic, or they make more of a fuss about it than they need to.
00:16:56.000So at a certain point, he has been addressing this at least 2019, so three years ago.
00:17:01.000What I mean to say is, if these guys were given an opportunity, if some, obviously it would never happen, but if you went to any one of these guys and said, we want you to be a brand ambassador for a big company that's making a lot of money, but you got to stay away from these subjects, they'd say yes.
00:17:40.000When you ban someone and they have nowhere to go and they can't get redemption, they will go to whoever is willing to accept them.
00:17:47.000And on top of just the love bombs, it's the financial incentive, because if people are getting paid because they have a following, now they're getting ad revenue or they're getting direct subscriptions, no matter what they're saying, if they're saying really cruel, evil things and they're getting paid for it, that's free speech, but also that can incentivize the continuation of the behavior.
00:18:05.000And it's kind of tough to dig out, especially if you get cancelled, you're like, well, the only people that pay me are these people, and they only watch me because of this content, so let's do more of that.
00:18:13.000When you get cancelled, when you get censored, you get sent off to the far corners of the internet where a lot of people get radicalized.
00:18:20.000And people need to understand bad ideas need to be fought with good ideas.
00:18:24.000And we don't have this battle of ideas.
00:18:26.000We never had this battle of ideas, mainly because of centralized controllers, big tech intervening and saying, no, we don't like what you're saying.
00:18:35.000And then those ideas are never routinely challenged, routinely questioned.
00:18:40.000There's no pushback against them, and only in places where they fester and grow are these kind of larger elements that, again, never see the light of public day.
00:18:50.000And I think this is why we need to debate.
00:19:10.000Last night's conversation was not a conversation for YouTube in its current state.
00:19:13.000If you guys want to fix up your terms of service into a more free speech oriented thing, it would be.
00:19:18.000But when we have people on that there's a chance they might violate the terms of service of the platform, we've got to go to another platform.
00:19:23.000Because we need to let those guys speak.
00:19:25.000And then let them... Because if Kanye went on for 30 minutes and then Nick responded for 20 minutes and they said all sorts of offensive things that YouTube would have stopped, we'd have a chance to rebut and talk about it and come to some sort of consensus that ideally we would all come out of better people from.
00:19:40.000Well, I mean, I think the problem is whenever, like, let's look at, let's say something that's radioactive in a different way.
00:19:48.000The recent ad campaign about Balenciaga, right?
00:19:51.000So if you're going to have people talking about the pros and cons of Balenciaga, and the ads where they had those kids with the teddy bears and bondage, and I want to use words carefully, I can see how a corporation would be like, you know what, we're trying to have a certain image and have a certain platform and there's certain things that are going to be I'm okay with that.
00:20:17.000There was another story about Balenciaga.
00:20:19.000They had done similar ad campaigns, and people are saying there's no way that slipped.
00:20:24.000Like, there's no way they produced an ad and didn't know what they were producing.
00:20:27.000I think there's absolutely a way because this is how because I think we all we forget how dumb suits are so all it would take would be one art director and then for him to be like look it's already it's edgy the kids were not being shown themselves in any kind of provocative or state of They were just showing iconography, which is very different from, like, Mapplethorpe, who's in museums, where you're showing full frontal on little girls, which got funding.
00:21:25.000Well, many of these images were literally child pornography.
00:21:27.000There's one of a little girl with her knee up, flashing her genitals to the camera.
00:21:31.000But if you read any USA Today, Washington Post article, it really just sounds like you've got two guys kissing and Jesse Helms, the homophobe, has a problem with it.
00:21:58.000And I think there's a reason Balenciaga deleted their Instagram, deleted their Twitter, because people were picking up on more and more and more signs.
00:22:05.000There's no way that you could see that image and be like, yeah, totally fine, totally okay.
00:22:32.000I think it was a deliberate sign to just brag about what they were doing.
00:22:37.000When you look at the fashion industry, they have a long history of being... Let me just finish really quickly.
00:22:42.000They have a long history of having a lot of Jeffrey Epstein types.
00:22:45.000Jeffrey Epstein was all in the fashion industry.
00:22:48.000And a lot of the other individuals that were on that client list are still in the fashion industry, were never held responsible for their crimes.
00:22:55.000And whether it's running Victoria's Secret, sending out this messaging, this messaging is not something that is an accident, because they've been doing it for many years, trying to normalize children as models.
00:23:06.000And a lot of the female models look like young boys.
00:23:31.000I'm going to let him do what he wants.
00:23:33.000It's not my place to jump in and reject.
00:23:35.000And basically, in that industry, these people who have brand names, like Balenciaga is a brand name, can basically have free reign to do whatever the heck they want.
00:23:42.000They spend millions of dollars on these fashion shoots, going over every little detail.
00:23:47.000I mean, the President of the United States literally decides what kind of tie he wants to set a particular mood, to have the particular background.
00:23:54.000There's no way they're spending millions of dollars on these fashion shoots and not micromanaging every little small element of it.
00:24:00.000What I'm saying is... I don't think it's a suit.
00:24:02.000I think it was deliberately done, and I think the suits were complicit in it.
00:24:06.000Okay, I think a lot of times in big corporations the responsibility is very much disjointed and one hand is not knowing what the other hand is doing.
00:24:15.000And I think the reason, wait hold on, the reason why the social media got pulled is because then someone realized, holy crap, Otherwise they would have left it up, because they're like, this has been going on for a long time.
00:24:25.000We got to do an analysis to figure out when this started, how many of these iterations are there.
00:24:29.000So you think people were like seeding this information into the ad campaign?
00:24:34.000It's everywhere in our entertainment, especially if you look at Disney, especially if you look at the subliminal subconscious mind control, which I particularly call it, and the larger kind of degeneracy that is being pushed on the individuals, and even the corporate media, even Talking about minor attracted persons, there's a huge agenda when it comes to trying to normalize this kind of debauchery, this kind of horrible behavior that a lot of powerful people inside of the government were committing, especially when they were going to that private island and doing absolutely horrible things to children that they kidnapped.
00:25:03.000If you look at the cover of the DVD for The Little Mermaid, if you look at the scene in Aladdin where they're getting married, in the scene in Aladdin, the priest is excited.
00:25:13.000If you look at the background of The Little Mermaid, one of the towers looks like a certain thing of a male anatomy.
00:25:19.000My point is, a lot of times, these artists will put things that the suit will be oblivious to.
00:25:24.000And that's one example where you're not… Wasn't there a movie, The Great Mouse Detective or something, where there was like an actual… they put like porn somewhere in it or something like that?
00:25:34.000There's a bunch of adult content and wieners all throughout, you know, content for small children.
00:25:41.000And I think when it comes to these particular cases, we know so little because a lot of this is done in secrecy.
00:25:48.000We shouldn't be excusing it as an accident.
00:25:50.000We should always, with the absence of evidence, when we see very sinister people who have a history of hurting small children, always think the worst case possible scenario and demand more evidence.
00:25:59.000And I think excusing Excusing it as, oh, the suit's just missed it is an instant or element—I'm sorry if I got your argument wrong.
00:26:08.000I'm not saying the suit's just missed it.
00:26:10.000I said in very many cases how these people work is they will get things past the goalie because the people who are looking don't know what to look for and are oblivious to it.
00:26:19.000And in fact, the fact that this has been going on—hold on, Ian.
00:26:24.000The fact that this has been going on for so long and has only been picked up now speaks to the point that I'm making that they're very good at getting things on a subliminal level that people aren't going to register.
00:26:36.000So if you have Balenciaga ads and you have literally tens of thousands of people seeing these ads and they're only getting picked up now, that just speaks to my point that a lot of times the money guy or the accountant or whoever is kind of signing off on this, they're not going to always be aware of what they're seeing.
00:27:36.000If hundreds of thousands or millions of ad viewers didn't even notice this, It's possible that the gatekeepers of these companies don't notice this stuff either, but someone is intentionally doing it.
00:27:48.000If you look at Hollywood history, there were a lot of gay references that were meant there for gay audiences, whereas the straight people watching this and the executives would be completely oblivious.
00:27:57.000There's a college course about this where they go back and deconstruct these old movies.
00:28:00.000The higher you go up in a lot of these bigger institutions, especially corporations, the more likelihood that there's going to be a sociopath in them.
00:28:08.000So, on that assessment, and in the absence of evidence, I'm going to assume the worst, mainly because I know what they're capable of, and I think we should, from a point of view, not excusing their behavior, but at the same time saying, hey, they have a long history here, let's get the evidence here, because they probably are doing some of the most awful, sinister, horrible things that you can't even fathom and imagine yourself.
00:28:51.000But I think where you and I disagree, and let's take away from Balenciaga, is if you look at, let's suppose, the Senate, right, or politicians, a lot of these people in power are not very bright.
00:29:02.000And a lot of times it's their staffs that are doing these malevolent things and are putting things over on the American people, things in terms of war.
00:29:10.000And that's one of the reasons why I'm so hopeful, is because when you look at the people who tend to be in power, they're really often very unimpressive.
00:29:18.000I think they use that as a way to cover their larger actions.
00:29:22.000You think Biden knows what the hell's going on?
00:29:43.000I used to call them minor attracted people because I'm like, well, I want to be sensitive about these, this, this, whatever, disillusion or whatever.
00:29:51.000But the thing about pedophile is there's a big difference between a 20 year old and a 17 year old hooking up consensually and a 25 year old and a nine year old getting it on.
00:29:58.000When the 9-year-old doesn't know what's happening.
00:29:59.000But Ian, Ian, that's just... With all due respect... But they're both considered pedophiles.
00:30:54.000It's so charged that if someone gets a statutory rape accusation and they're 25 and she's 17 or they're 23... 17 and 25 is not a pedophile.
00:31:01.000Well, a lot of people, I think, consider them, because they're considered minors, they consider them pedophiles, and that's dangerous.
00:31:08.000I agree that it's dangerous, but I think there was a New York Times article several years ago when they were looking at—I mean, this is going to be a darker episode than I expected.
00:31:17.000Well, why don't we get back on subject?
00:31:50.000And there's multiple incidences of people coming to big platforms like Twitter a couple years ago and saying, hey, my photos here when I was underage are being leaked here.
00:32:00.000Twitter saying, oh, yeah, yeah, we'll do something about it.
00:32:02.000And then ignoring those people, screwing them over and then at the same time now Twitter for the first time is saying we're going to be addressing this problem and now the Apple App Store is going to do is threatening to cancel them that's absolutely crazy this is the one this is the you got me triggered now okay now I'm gonna go for Luke Elon Musk Eliza blue if you're out there I think she's been on the show yeah this has been her big issue getting a CP off of Twitter god bless her this is something that is
00:32:28.000Unambiguously a problem, something unambiguously horrific and evil, period, end of story.
00:32:32.000And a lot of times people who were in, as you said, were in these images or videos would contact Twitter and Twitter shrug their hands.
00:32:39.000Elon Musk took over and he's like, all right, this is going to be like priority one.
00:33:22.000So this speaks to what Luke is saying, how many people there are in power who do not care about children at all, but who only care about power and who get off on having power over their people, including young children.
00:33:33.000And they brag about it many times by doing photo shoots.
00:33:36.000Let's jump to this story from Fox Business in light of what you're bringing up.
00:33:40.000Musk is planning to release the Twitter files on free speech suppression.
00:33:55.000I don't know about them specifically, but I'm willing to bet Twitter staff probably have lied under oath to Congress, or at the very least, they've lied to Congress.
00:34:02.000Or even less than that, been wrong to Congress.
00:34:08.000I gotta say though, the Twitter files, I would bet a substantial amount of money that they have files on child exploitation where there's a manager saying like, hey, don't do anything because it'll draw attention to us and it'll be bad for the stock price.
00:34:53.000Yeah, and these people at Twitter were taking advantage of the power and responsibility they had for their own personal benefit, for the personal benefit of the powers in charge, for the government, for the intelligence agencies, for the multinational corporations that are calling the shots there.
00:35:08.000So they're capable of doing a lot of very underhanded evil things.
00:35:12.000And I think Elon Musk, even a couple days ago, was tweeting, You know, it's far worse than I even expected it to be, and I bet there's probably so much evil, so much just nasty actions being committed by these people that a lot of people can't even imagine how bad it gets.
00:35:28.000Let me ask you, Ian, because you worked for Mines and you actually saw a lot of the content that violated, I can't imagine, like, based on your experience, how bad do you think it is with Twitter?
00:36:45.000Hey, the Balenciaga stuff opens the door.
00:36:50.000We can talk about, I mean, what's going on with Twitter, because it's not just obviously the dark, dark stuff, but we're probably going to see overt political bias.
00:36:57.000We're probably going to see election interference outright, them saying... The Hunter Biden thing off the top of their head.
00:37:03.000There's no question that was outright election interference.
00:37:05.000And they're probably going to be saying in the private chats, this is going to help Biden win, or we have to stop Trump, things like that.
00:37:23.000No, but there was this Norm Macdonald meme, which I don't think he ever really said, where the quote ascribed to Norm, which is, I'm starting to think that the pedophile devil worshippers who run our government don't have our best interests at heart.
00:37:40.000I'm wondering what other, when they pull up these Twitter files that Elon's talking about, if they're going to find words that have been downright—accounts that have been downright— Can I make everyone even more depressed?
00:37:51.000So the thing that really upsets me is the virtual certainty that nothing will happen as a consequence of this.
00:37:58.000And let me give you an example when this happened.
00:38:00.000We all remember the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.
00:38:02.000And whatever you think of Christine Blasey Ford, Julie Swetnick was an example where it absolutely, you know, she's saying that Kavanaugh was at these parties where there was trains run on her.
00:38:12.000It's like, why are you going back to these parties?
00:38:20.000She never met Kavanaugh, so on and so forth.
00:38:22.000Chuck Grassley, Charles Grassley, was just re-elected, who was, I think, head of the Judiciary Committee, ranking hardcore Republican.
00:38:28.000He put out a press release earlier this year, how he wrote a letter to both the Department of Justice and the FBI, asking for follow-up on someone who lied to effect a free court nomination, and they didn't bother replying, neither bothered replying to him.
00:38:42.000And then he wrote them another letter, and this is his press release.
00:38:51.000The fact that he's boasting about the fact that he can't even get a like someone on the phone from the Department of Justice or the FBI about something that is central to our legal system just speaks to me how little appetite there is in Washington among members of both parties to have any kind of repercussions for this and another great example of this is I really drives me crazy when boomer conservatives think all pedophiles are Democrats like as if it's somehow like you know they're into kids but they're also just socialized medicine.
00:39:19.000The Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, was a predator on young boys, and he went to jail as a consequence for things that have to do with this issue.
00:39:29.000They never say, why don't you bring back Dennis Hastert's money?
00:39:32.000They're more interested in talking about, like, Margaret Taylor Greene or Trump or George W. Bush, who's now a good guy.
00:39:37.000So that, to me, is very, very disturbing.
00:39:41.000I have not given up on politics, but I'm so disinterested in attempting to use that corrupt system to fix a world that was—we need to make politics—like, politics is a result of a healthy society, so let's build a healthy society.
00:40:09.000You've got to open the door, they've got to walk through.
00:40:11.000I want to mention, just as we're talking about this subject, and boy are we in it, I guess because the Balenciaga stuff, we really needed to talk about this, but there is a positive for us who are challenging these things, trying to get these things taken down.
00:40:25.000Grateful to Elon Musk for putting a stop to this, and it's that I was talking to a friend, And I said something like, semi-facetiously, like, oh yeah, like, you know, people believe that a cabal of powerful global elites are trafficking kids and doing weird things.
00:41:08.000And this wasn't the first time that there have been major government officials caught in these larger, horrible things that they were doing to children.
00:41:42.000We just keep going, how many times and how many instances there are of government using your tax dollars to facilitate some of the most atrocious, horrible acts on the face of the earth that people can't even think about.
00:41:54.000I think it was in 1969, 1971, if you look up, like, French Philosopher's Declaration, a bunch of prominent French philosophers, including Sartre.
00:42:23.000I want to shout out Phoenix499, who superchatted us, saying, all you need to know is that Maxwell was the first person to be convicted of trafficking kids to nobody.
00:42:40.000And one more, let's get a little personal.
00:42:42.000I was on Rogan a couple years ago because a friend of mine, Matt, and he told me to use his name, he came out to me because he had been a victim of childhood sexual abuse.
00:42:49.000And the reason I bring this up every so often is it's still one of those things where there's such a stigma to it that people are scared to talk about it.
00:42:56.000Like if I found out that your mom, you know, was an alcoholic, I'd feel bad for you, Luke, but our friendship wouldn't really change if I found out, you know, something happened with you, Ian.
00:43:03.000But this is the kind of thing where people are scared to say something because if you talk to them about it, they think you're going to think they're a wounded bird, you're going to think they're a freak, you're not going to be able to make certain kinds of jokes about them.
00:43:11.000And as a result of this, this social stigma, they keep it silent, you know, for the rest of their lives, which is really, really making a victim even worse.
00:43:18.000And after I was on Rogue and I talked about this, four more of my friends came out to me.
00:43:22.000So if I know five people, that means I definitely know more.
00:43:25.000And that means this happens a lot more than people realize.
00:43:28.000And until people start talking about it and normalizing coming out and accepting people who've had this done to them, they're going to keep getting away with it.
00:43:35.000Because the reason these people get away with it is like, don't tell anyone.
00:43:38.000And that you're a kid, you're not going to know any better.
00:43:40.000So it's a very, very disturbing cycle that hopefully we're going to be able to break in the very near future.
00:43:47.000You think it's just by normalizing sexuality, adult sexuality, in our society?
00:44:33.000If you want to do porn, I'll support you.
00:44:35.000But I think this is something very different from people, you know, not talking about what kind of sex they have as opposed to like, Awful things were done to me as a kid, and they didn't use force, and on some level it was pleasurable, and I was confused because I was a child, and I wasn't physically hurt, they didn't punish me, I didn't know how to feel about the time, and now as an adult, I still don't know how to feel about it, and this has disturbed me all my life, and I'm turning to drugs or alcohol because I don't know how to deal with it.
00:44:59.000For the record- In my opinion, Hunter Biden, perhaps.
00:45:16.000And there's a big difference between satanic evil people using sex as a way to gain energy and feel like they have power over actual genuine love and intimacy.
00:45:28.000Let's segue to censorship because I have a story from Lawfare Supreme Court Grants Certiorari, I'm pronouncing that wrong probably, in Gonzales v. Google and Twitter v. Tomne, an overview.
00:45:40.000I'm not sure these are the exact cases, I believe these are the cases in question, but I highlight these stories to tell you that I had a phone call with Google today.
00:45:48.000It was scheduled in advance a few weeks ago.
00:45:50.000I received an email where it was sent, I believe, to larger YouTube channels warning that Section 230, this is the shield Big Tech uses to eliminate content they don't like as distasteful while being immune from any responsibility due to hosting some of this content.
00:46:11.000I believe they're on track to lose these protections in a very serious way.
00:46:15.000So Google started doing this reach out.
00:46:18.000Got an email and they said… Can we focus on that point because I think it's a big one in terms of the odds that they're going to lose.
00:46:22.000I think the odds are very high they're going to lose because their argument is we're not an editorial, we're just a publisher.
00:46:29.000Anyone can put anything out there, our hands are clean.
00:46:31.000However, if I'm editorial, if I'm picking articles, I'm promoting people, then I am having a voice and therefore the protections don't apply to me.
00:46:38.000Then I can be guilty of libel or whatever, slander, whatever it is.
00:46:41.000And very clearly, all of these Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are putting their finger on the scale and promoting some things over the other and make editorial decisions.
00:46:54.000I got an email and it said, we want to make you aware about a Supreme Court taking on these cases, which will have a big impact on recommendations.
00:47:03.000If the Supreme Court rules against us or our position, we may not be able to recommend your content anymore.
00:47:10.000And you know what I thought when I saw that?
00:47:53.000But I get a phone call, I'm in the car, and I'm like, well, I answer it anyway, and I'm like, hey, I'm in the car, and I'm like FaceTiming this dude.
00:47:58.000And he basically was explaining that if the Supreme Court agrees with these people, That means YouTube... Look, Section 230 says you can't sue... I'll give you a simplified version.
00:48:12.000You can't sue YouTube because of what Tim Pool says.
00:48:18.000However, it also says YouTube can't be considered a publisher of this content even if they moderate and have editorial control over the platform.
00:50:10.000I want to tell you more about what this guy was saying to me.
00:50:13.000He said something to the effect of, imagine if we could no longer recommend you and you were no longer part of like, I'm paraphrasing, but something like the mainstream conversation or something.
00:50:24.000And I'm just like, Guy, that's what you've already done.
00:50:27.000We created a new channel, TimCastMusic.
00:50:59.000I think it's a mix, but I think it's largely editorial.
00:51:02.000I think there's obviously a component, but my point was to the guy, I said, why is it that we know for a fact you can't Google search my videos, Like, Facebook comes up, you can't even search my channel.
00:51:15.000When you would search for TimCast or TimCast IRL, it would just show you playlists created by other people because they removed us from search.
00:51:21.000And you're telling me that you want the ability to be free from all liability when you choose to promote political speech from, say, ISIS, but then you expect me to defend you when you put the weights on us when we call out these bad players.
00:51:36.000I hope, I said this to him, I hope That the Supreme Court rules against you and everything is forced to return to reverse chronological feed because I will do better from it.
00:52:48.000Restore reverse chronological feed so that my video can be shown to my followers.
00:52:53.000I bet you there's a lot of people who are happy to play ball.
00:52:56.000Because if you look at any industry, the people at the top are often happy to lick the boot.
00:53:00.000There's always some Ralphs willing to suck up to power and authority, but I think a lot of people are absolutely frustrated and pissed off at these algorithms controlling our society that have been absolutely a net negative, not just to the mental health of this country, but when we see the mental warfare that's being created out there, you're going to be doing something here.
00:53:46.000I don't want to be recommended these stupid RV videos or these stupid truck life videos.
00:53:51.000I don't want to be recommended some kind of psy-op Stop with the psyopsis, stop with the nonsense.
00:53:55.000I want to listen to what I want to listen to, and that's what the people demand, and that's what the people will get.
00:53:59.000I'm on Twitter, and they have their algorithmic feed, and their home feed is what it's called, and they have the reverse chronological feed.
00:54:07.000I do really well posting my content and getting shares and getting followers without any kind of weird algorithmic impedance.
00:54:14.000So YouTube deserves to have that stripped away from them.
00:54:17.000My Twitter following went up by an order of quadruple new followers a day once some switch got switched 10 days ago.
00:54:26.000And Ben Askren, who is now 0 for 3, my show episode with him is dropping next week.
00:54:30.000When we recorded, he had more followers than me and was rubbing it in my face, and now I have 10,000 more than him.
00:54:40.000Point being, there was clearly some kind of algorithmic screwy on the back end that was hurting me before and is either neutral or helping me now.
00:54:51.000Have you heard, there's like that internet meme law that says any online forum without moderation will become right... Something like that.
00:55:00.000Any online forum without sufficient moderation will become right-wing.
00:55:21.000I guess that's the assumption that the powers that be right now have been co-opted by some sort of leftist mentality, some sort of communist or socialist movement.
00:55:28.000Well, but I, you know, so I don't know where that meme came from, but you take a look at like Reddit, pre-PSYOP control by, you know, big powerful PACs and organizations.
00:55:39.000Yeah, the memes were all like- Well, that's where the Donald one came from.
00:55:44.000And I think it was MIT Technology Review said that the Donald and 4chan's politically incorrect were the progenitors of almost all of the memes that were going viral.
00:55:52.000They were funny, people liked them, the Pepes.
00:55:55.000They'd end up on Twitter and then Katy Perry was sharing them.
00:57:09.000And then the politics people, new people probably came into the power and control.
00:57:13.000So since the beginning it's been a platform and a public, like they are platform, they are deciding who gets to be seen since the very beginning.
00:57:20.000I think Elon Musk has shown us a lot of what this is.
00:57:23.000Big advertisers are scared because left-wing activists organize, and they organize predominantly on Twitter, these campaigns against them.
00:57:31.000Now there's uncertainty, and they don't know what to do.
00:57:34.000Advertisers announced that they were going to pull off their ads or reduce spending on Twitter due to uncertainty, and my personal view is the uncertainty likely is which side is going to attack us more, and we don't know who to side with anymore.
00:57:46.000This is how Times Square for Pride became all rainbows, you know, 25-8.
00:57:50.000I tweeted this before, that only corporate America can make sodomy and perversion seem downright boring.
00:57:56.000But before gay marriage became universally accepted in corporate culture, they just kept their mouth shut.
00:58:01.000Like, they'd have these little organizations, like, oh, you know, we have this little program, but now you buy a candy bar and it's, you know, it's a rainbow.
00:58:49.000Yeah, because I think the huge social media networks, I mean, the ones that I think where their code should be freed, they're working in the commons.
00:58:55.000And at some point, if the advertisers are controlling the commons by blackmail or by saying, we will take our money away if you don't do what we say, that's bad for the commons.
00:59:04.000I don't disagree with that, but what I'm saying is this is something that you're trying to kind of square a circle, and there's no easy answer one way or another.
00:59:11.000If you're gonna have a subscription model, then it's gonna be kind of Karen-oriented, because the ones who complain the most are gonna have disproportionate amounts of power, so things are gonna be kind of inoffensive, so I don't see an easy answer here.
00:59:21.000Right, because if you remove advertisers from YouTube, for instance, all these people with the Partner Program are, I don't think it's called the Partner Program anymore, it's something else, but everybody would start losing their ad revenue.
00:59:30.000That could destroy tens of thousands of careers, you know?
00:59:32.000I think Elon recognized the power of cancel culture in what they were doing.
00:59:37.000I don't think it's the sole component of why he bought Twitter, but you can see him tweeting at Tim Cook.
00:59:42.000Apparently, the Financial Times reported that he was calling CEO saying, why are you dropping us?
00:59:47.000I think Elon knows the fear they have of Twitter.
00:59:51.000I think anybody, I think most people listening understand this.
00:59:55.000If you've got Twitter followers and you have a problem and you tweet about it, that company bends over backwards to help you.
01:00:46.000Oh yeah, squeezed between two large, larger people, according to Sid.
01:00:50.000It wasn't according, she had receipts.
01:00:52.000But the point I was making, just try and stay on subject I suppose, is um...
01:00:56.000When you have a lot of followers and you have a problem with a company, you tweet about it, they will take care of you because they know you can direct a lot of bad reviews.
01:02:41.000That's why they're scared to go too hard against him.
01:02:44.000Because you look at what's going on in China right now.
01:02:47.000Even with the power and the iron fist of the CCP, people have reached their point.
01:02:51.000So, there are powerful interests, there are people, and it's self-interest too, like these big corporations, they don't like that Elon can push him around.
01:02:59.000There are powerful government interests.
01:03:01.000They also don't like the spotlight on them.
01:03:04.000They want to stay like, okay, you know, the reason how it works is with like Black Lives Matter, you don't want to be that one corporation that didn't have that black square.
01:03:13.000It's much easier to go with the herd because then no one could pick you off.
01:03:15.000So when he calls someone or puts them on blast, all of a sudden there's no good answer for you as a corporation because now you're like, I'm going to offend somebody and that's my nightmare scenario.
01:03:29.000I just saw a clip, a screenshot, yeah.
01:03:32.000And they know that, and they're like, a 3% drop is how many billions of dollars?
01:03:36.000Like, how many less iPhones are we gonna sell, and how much in ad revenue is that gonna, like, if we spend $10 billion on ads, how many, or $10 million, or whatever.
01:03:55.000It's spectacular to see because, you know, Elon even said, hey, you know, if this gets too crazy, if you guys ban us from the Apple store, we're just going to create our own phone.
01:04:06.000And I think the market is going to provide a solution to a lot of the censorious, a lot of the insane algorithms and control systems that is trying to, of course, suck out humanity from existence.
01:04:20.000Well, do you think that the government should strip 230 protections from these companies?
01:04:24.000I think if we have organizations there using these kind of speech platforms, using what is essentially our modern day town halls and censoring people, editorializing people, I think that right there is them taking advantage of a situation.
01:04:43.000And what should be the larger solution to that?
01:05:16.000Like, that doesn't really... No, I'm not saying break up Twitter.
01:05:18.000I'm saying stop the government... Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
01:05:22.000The government working with Google, working with Twitter, needs to stop immediately and need to be broken up and not have this unfair advantage that the government gives them.
01:05:29.000I heartily endorse literally everything he just said.
01:05:45.000Section 230 is government protection for big corporations to be free from any liability for what they publish, recommend or otherwise, while they are also simultaneously free to editorialize and promote whatever they want.
01:06:06.000This is one of the big arguments for anarchism, meaning of separation of government, of commerce and state, for the same reason you have separation of church and state, because we saw with the pharmaceutical companies, which is this deal on behalf of literally everyone in America, where you're going to make your shot, I don't even know what words I can say on YouTube anymore, and we really needed to rush to market, understandably, we're under an emergency, kind of unprecedented situation, but as a result of this, There are going to be no consequences for you if things go bad.
01:06:34.000It couldn't even be like, you know what, here's what's going to happen.
01:06:36.000If things go bad, we as the government are going to make some kind of welfare and pay out for people who had consequences for our wrongdoing.
01:06:43.000Just like if there's certain situations, like you're in war and you're a soldier and you come back, we're going to take care of you.
01:08:07.000But, uh, you think you had any rights working for the East India Trading Company?
01:08:10.000Oh, they would issue you script, like their own currency that you'd have to use on their territory to buy, like, food from their stores, you know?
01:08:17.000And imagine what would happen if they're like, we want you to go take this machete and go clear bush.
01:08:27.000There's no shortage of people from Ireland or Eastern Europe who, you know, we can kind of fill your shoes.
01:08:32.000It's only recently in human history we started saying like, hey, you know, people should be responsible if they're misleading, if they're causing problems, or at the very least, if you release a toy that has an issue that needs to be recalled and you don't, you'll get sued.
01:08:47.000If someone hurts you, the party that hurt you is responsible, is liable.
01:08:51.000The government steps in and says, no, they're not liable.
01:08:53.000But also, to add insult to injury, they're also acting like the PR agency of Big Pharma.
01:08:58.000If we look within the last few years, the White House has essentially become a marketing and advertisement arm of Big Pharma and other multinational corporations that they agree with, that enforce their agenda.
01:09:11.000That to me is another layer of communism that we have to deal with that's absolutely insane and needs to stop immediately.
01:10:21.000The leftists are making the same argument saying, I know what's better for you, I know what's right for you, and this is why we need the state to intervene and use their monopoly of violence in order to push my wills onto you!
01:10:30.000And I'm like, stop violating human rights!
01:10:42.000I think you can do something like put Twitter under government control that's not communism or socialism.
01:10:49.000It may be socialistic, but it would also enshrine, theoretically, First Amendment protections on this platform that's become a weapon for one political faction.
01:11:12.000It's totally misleading, and it should be illegal.
01:11:14.000Well, you can't call yourself- Like, there was, like, an issue calling yourself Bank of something that, like, this was a big issue, because it was- Really?
01:11:52.000It's actually kind of crazy where they get their money from.
01:11:56.000I don't want to come out and say, I think I definitely agree that the problem is government, I think all power systems tend towards corruption over time.
01:12:04.000And the problem is that government programs can't fail.
01:12:07.000They're surrounded by the monopoly on violence, like Luke was saying, and so they can never just stop.
01:12:13.000So perhaps sunset clauses in anything is like, maybe a constitutional amendment, all government programs and laws will have a five-year sunset, must be re-voted upon by the people or something something like that.
01:12:23.000The problem with that is if you look at like a trademark law, right?
01:12:26.000It used to be that after X amount of years, a character becomes public domain.
01:13:25.000But if those other things had a competitive advantage for some way... Because Google beat Yahoo!
01:13:30.000I'm old enough to remember Yahoo was the search engine.
01:13:31.000There was AltaVista, and there was WebCrawler, and there was Ask Jeeves.
01:13:34.000I don't know if those still exist, but the point is Google won because their search results were more useful.
01:13:39.000So I don't know how you would even beat Google in that regard.
01:13:43.000Well, I don't think you can... What do you mean beat them exactly?
01:13:48.000What you can do is there's that film, sorry to interrupt myself, there's the film The Creepy Line, which is what they really should be going after, is how Google operates.
01:13:56.000And as an example, if I am searching for, let's suppose, the guy, Robert, I forget, Robert Levine maybe his name was, The professor.
01:14:04.000Let's suppose I'm searching for Hillary Clinton, right?
01:14:06.000And Google makes it so the top ten search results are articles that are positive toward Hillary Clinton.
01:14:10.000And if I search for Donald Trump, Google makes it so the top ten articles are critical of Donald Trump.
01:14:14.000That is going to skew the electorate one way or another and all of us would be oblivious to see that Google has their thumb on the scale.
01:14:21.000So that is the kind of thing where the government can be investigating and being like, alright, something here is not adding up because you're acting as a political agency and in that case there's all sorts of things that go with it.
01:14:31.000All I come to is to, I mean, the audience has heard this before probably, but free the software code.
01:14:50.000The guy who he got he's like he got kicked off of Gmail because of this like he basically did the work and he's like we like for example another thing he found is like Facebook they would if you liked Hillary they would hit you with you should go out and vote what was if you like Trump Robert Epstein yeah I think that's the name yes correct hell yeah we should have him on yeah no relation you can't you can't search for him anymore Yeah, he was basically saying that the search algorithm was flipping votes.
01:15:20.000And the way he described it, not only does it make perfect sense, you'd have no way of knowing.
01:15:25.000There was even many scientific studies detailing how big tech social media companies can swing elections and help candidates win when they had no chance of winning.
01:15:34.000There were Twitter hearings in Congress.
01:15:37.000Republican brought up that when you are in D.C.
01:15:40.000and you sign up for Twitter, Twitter recommends Democrats and only Democrats.
01:16:38.000It becomes extremely nightmarish when you start... This is what I was explaining to Dorsey and Vijay Agade, that if they keep doing what they're doing, there's going to be... I don't think I said the word civil war back then, but maybe.
01:17:02.000But I think in their defense of using that term very loosely, the thing is with social media and you have these conversations, it works kind of evolutionarily in that anyone's philosophy is going to be driven to its logical conclusion because you run enough iterations that any kind of contradictions are kind of going to go away and you're going to go towards the extreme or the logical conclusion of whatever their premises are.
01:17:22.000So that is why kind of in many ways this moderate middle is vanishing because being in the middle is not really a coherent position.
01:17:28.000It's just kind of a reaction to these two other poles.
01:17:31.000Yeah, the middle can be like extreme right left really fast.
01:17:34.000So fast that it looks like it's in the middle.
01:17:36.000So it's still there's still a balance in the extremes if you can handle it.
01:17:48.000I'm curious, some people have suggested that Elon Musk's moves are actually against the right, because there's this idea I've talked about.
01:18:23.000When you see a kid all messy covered in ice cream and one kid who is looking very clean, you assume, man, that kid must be unruly and crazy.
01:18:42.000What happens on Twitter is they start removing people on the right.
01:18:45.000Okay, this is bad, you're gone, bad, you're gone.
01:18:47.000And all that's left are moderate and moderate conservatives to center, you know, like center-right to moderate conservative voices.
01:18:55.000And on the left, they say you can do whatever you want.
01:18:57.000So you end up with Antifa, violence, extremist posts.
01:19:01.000So it skews and ends up making the left look insane.
01:19:06.000Elon comes in, and I'm not saying he's doing this on purpose.
01:19:08.000Maybe he's just genuinely like free speech.
01:19:10.000Some people are saying allowing everybody back on who's crazy is going to actually end up making the right look bad because it's going to bring back the worst possible voices.
01:19:19.000No, I don't think- he hasn't- first of all, he hasn't brought back Carpe Danktum, who's like number one on my list.
01:19:24.000Because Carpe Danktum was making memes for Trump.
01:19:26.000There's no reason for him to be banned.
01:19:50.000My point is we don't know that that's going to include the people who were like where Twitter had previously regarded as the worst of the worst.
01:22:05.000If someone's contact information is public, right, like in a phone book, whatever it is, and you republish that, do you consider that to be doxing?
01:22:35.000And then later you could buy, yeah, people's, there's services online where you could, where people go and buy government registries and then have people's addresses where people could buy it online and find out where they live.
01:22:44.000It's like if I send your address to one person, is that doxing?
01:23:17.000In public, under the First Amendment, doxxing is protected.
01:23:21.000You can hold up a big sign with someone's address and walk around with it.
01:23:24.000It's actually also really kind of crazy.
01:23:26.000I'm reading an autobiography of this woman, Mabel Dodge Lujan, who had these salons in her house in the early 20th century, where modernism started.
01:23:33.000And the articles in the New York Times would be like, Mrs. Mabel Dodge, comma, of 5 East 23rd Street, New York.
01:23:39.000And it would just have her address there.
01:23:41.000It's like, this seems like it's a problem.
01:23:44.000Well, I guess culture is the biggest issue, in my opinion, when it comes to everything.
01:23:50.000Most of the political stuff we're dealing with, it's cultural.
01:23:52.000When you have a culture that is cohesive and agrees on morals and ethics, you can leave your door open at night.
01:24:00.000You don't have to worry as much about crime.
01:24:03.000But when you have a society, a country, where everyone's just like, you're not a part of my community, I don't know you, I don't care, now you gotta lock your doors.
01:24:12.000It seems like when you have small localities, there tends to be a homogenization of culture because there's only 70 of us, you know, we all know where 7th Street is.
01:24:19.000But as soon as you introduce 100,000 or 10 million unknowns to the culture, you're in a state of like, I can't leave my I can't leave my address online anymore.
01:24:30.000Yeah, like they used to be books of everyone's addresses.
01:24:32.000This used to be the big appeal of cities, that if you're from some small town where
01:24:36.000everyone knew your business, you could go somewhere and get lost and vanish.
01:24:39.000And that it's not just a thing for criminals.
01:24:41.000It could be things like, you know, I want to rediscover myself.
01:24:43.000I want to have create a new identity for myself.
01:24:45.000I want to get away from this kind of upbringing I had.
01:24:47.000So this was, back in the day, a benefit of cities, but thanks to the internet, that's kind of gone away.
01:24:51.000I don't need to go live proximately to people who share my worldview.
01:24:54.000I could just find it through social media, so on and so forth.
01:24:57.000And given how just deleteriously cities have been collapsing in the last 10 years in terms of just basic safety and public services, it's just the question on the table, I think, for many of us is, are cities an outdated mode of organization?
01:25:14.000Or governments, because cities have way, way more government than a lot of other places that have a lot less government.
01:26:45.000We can look very quickly to find out private roads versus public roads and how safe they are, how often they break down, potholes, things like this, and it's not even a question.
01:27:43.000So let's walk through this thought experiment.
01:27:47.000And I've never used the word thought more loosely.
01:27:49.000What do you think would happen to Alphabet if they publicly said, we are going to have a part of our company that is forbidden for use by black people?
01:28:01.000Forgetting lawsuits and discrimination law.
01:28:03.000Literally, what do you think would happen to that company?
01:28:24.000If a company declares, we are not going to have part of our organization accessible to black people, do you think there will be no extreme, immediate consequences for that company?
01:28:37.000I would hope that there were, but I think that when Vanderbilt shut off the railroads through New York, there was obviously, there comes times where he had so much control of the system.
01:28:47.000A general boycott isn't enough because it controls so much aspects of society already.
01:28:52.000I think this is, you don't even need a boycott because anyone who's a publicly traded company is there at the behest of the stock owners and the board.
01:29:02.000So if I am, whoever's running Alphabet now, I don't even know his name, and say... First of all, I don't even know how they're going to... I don't even know how they're going to get this plan through.
01:30:41.000But at a certain point, the costs are going to increase very, very high.
01:30:46.000And BlackRock, if they're not earning a return on their... I'm not a fan of BlackRock, by the way.
01:30:50.000I'm not saying this is something we should be, like, applauding.
01:30:52.000I'm just saying there are mechanisms already in place that the idea that BlackRock can buy America... I don't even know how much the cost of real America would be.
01:31:24.000private company but it was no no war criminals war criminals reserve is a private company are you
01:31:29.000so i i i i might am i speaking i'm not saying they're not war criminals i'm just saying it's
01:31:34.000a private company they're not a private company at all and they should be treated like war criminals
01:31:38.000are you suggesting they're a government agency i'm not suggesting it i'm saying it
01:31:42.000No, the Federal Reserve is a quasi-private public organization, but it was invented by J.D.
01:31:47.000Rockefeller, John Rockefeller, Paul Warburg in 1913.
01:31:50.000Ian, this is the nightmare scenario of when you have this kind of corporate government intertwining, where you have this almost like a Frankenstein creature that's half one foot, half the other, and no accountability, no liability, and that is exactly what anarchists like me and Luke, and anarchists of all colors of the black flag are opposed to.
01:32:07.000Because this is what Marx referred to as capitalism.
01:33:09.000We have antitrust laws so monopolies will play ball by whoever's in power.
01:33:13.000Even Teddy Roosevelt and Wilson, who were the first two progressive presidents, both
01:33:16.000explicitly said there are good trusts and bad trusts, meaning the monopolies that do
01:33:21.000what we want and monopolies that don't do what they want.
01:33:23.000This is exactly a mechanism, just like Facebook and Google and other things, Biden will call you up because he's got these antitrust laws behind him, or whatever other laws at his disposal, and be like, you know what?
01:33:35.000We'd really like it if you were censoring this misinformation.
01:33:59.000Certainly the politicians, it's going to be really hard for them when consequences will never be the same.
01:34:03.000I feel like corporation tendency to profit over human goodness is like... You can only profit... You can only... Slavery is not profitable.
01:34:36.000That's why we make governments to stop that, in my opinion.
01:34:38.000The benevolence of government is that it can protect us from those things.
01:34:41.000But in fact, over the past couple of decades, the government has been colluding with foreign corporations to sell all of our jobs overseas to benefit China.
01:34:50.000It's what Nixon did with Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger.
01:34:54.000It was an open policy, the open China policy that they implemented.
01:34:56.000So you gotta understand, Ian, at the end of the day, all roads lead to, of course, the government abusing its power because they don't need to provide a service based on any kind of reputation or any kind of consequences.
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01:35:44.000All right, we got SetMeFree who says, Balenciaga is for abusers only.
01:35:49.000If you rock it, we know how you get down.
01:37:05.000But I know the song isn't about drug abuse, but, you know, I just kind of was like, there's a lot of things that make you happy that are very, very bad for you.
01:37:10.000What were you just saying before Michael derailed?
01:37:14.000Because you were about to say a point that I wanted Michael to hear.
01:38:37.000Because when we were talking beforehand, he was calm.
01:38:40.000The points I made during the show were similar points I had just made 20 minutes before.
01:38:45.000You didn't raise your voice, you didn't interrupt him.
01:38:49.000It's funny because people don't know what happened before the show, so there's all these comments about what I did wrong and everything, and I'm like, the pre-show, you know, they're like, you shouldn't have brought up that article about Pence, and I'm like, I brought it up an hour before the show started.
01:39:02.000There's a big screen right there that everyone can see, and it was right there.
01:39:06.000Ye looked at it, read it, and then said, What, did Pence, like, betray Trump?
01:40:20.000I mean, isn't that what... That's what I thought he kept saying, but whatever.
01:40:25.000He said, you know, Jewish people or something, very calm, laid back, smiling.
01:40:30.000And I made a point about Bezos, Elon, I mean, these are wealthy people, and he goes, yeah, but come on, Elon works for the Jews, right?
01:40:37.000And then he looks at Milo and he says, didn't they have him do that thing or whatever, that ceremony or something?
01:40:42.000Very calm, and even when I pushed back and said, he's on Twitter, he's unbanning people, he was chill, totally calm.
01:40:48.000Camera goes on, he starts going off, I gotta talk about this, and don't interrupt me, because I'll walk out on your show, I tell you, very, very different.
01:40:54.000That's why, if you look, I'm like confused, look at my face when he walks out, I'm like, is he walking out?
01:40:59.000Because you were just, you said, I don't agree.
01:41:40.000I want to talk about what Trump's doing, I want to know what his plans are, I want to know how that affects us, and here we are in sort of a... I shouldn't say we're the center, Ye is the center, but we're on the edge of it, and it's our fault, because we want to do a show that turned into a PR spectacle instead of a conversation about what was going on.
01:41:56.000I think it's the natural evolution of the show as well, that it's just going to keep getting bigger and bigger, and it'll become more and more the focus of the human consciousness, the conversations like this, I think.
01:44:45.000There's this great debate, which I couldn't sit through because I was bored, with Bill Nye, the science guy, against a creationist.
01:44:51.000And the creationist knew what Bill Nye was going to say, whereas Bill Nye thought the guy was just going to be like, God put Noah blah blah, idiocy.
01:44:57.000And the creationist just knocking him out.
01:44:59.000And Bill Nye's like, oh, what do I do?
01:45:58.000I don't think people appreciate at home how often, if you're doing this live and the conversation's dynamic, you're gonna even just have brain farts and misspeak.
01:46:53.000Takfuji says, I wasn't very interested in Malice's opinions, but then I saw his underwear ads in Times Square and I decided I would fight the state.
01:47:01.000Then I saw a cat and noticed I had Twitter notifications and now lost.
01:47:38.000If you think I'm ugly now, look at me when I'm this tall.
01:47:42.000No, it was that I'd been gone for a year.
01:47:44.000This is the city I lived my entire life, and you would think there'd been a year to heal, and it remained exactly the same.
01:47:52.000Anything that had changed had changed for the worse.
01:47:54.000To have like 30% of the storefronts not be occupied, and within 10 minutes, or 15 let's say, I saw someone peeing on a van in the street, not on the sidewalk.
01:48:04.000And people are like, that's always been New York.
01:49:27.000One day, I want to take the Balfour Declaration, the creation of Israel, I want to have a long conversation about it in a safe place, in a place where we can talk about it online with people.
01:49:35.000I think that that place does not exist.
01:50:50.000Eraserhead says, if YouTube and other sites lose the ability to do search, doesn't the internet just revert back to where everyone uses YouTube to host their videos, and those videos get embedded in the personal websites of creators and brands?
01:51:02.000Or, YouTube is a reverse chronological feed where people see the videos that were recently posted, which will... Oh, like an Instagram almost.
01:52:06.000And there was this one time where there was like this chair in the garbage and I was like oh I wonder when he threw this chair out and then I looked and he actually went the garbage can and made it stick out more and I have to ask him about this but you know what you should you guys should do a funny bit where like you're watching his door and then he walks out and then he just like he walks out the door and it stops and slowly No, no, no, Tim, this is the joke and I told this to Lex.
01:52:30.000I hear when the garage opens because my office is right there.
01:52:34.000He had a guest leaving his podcast and he was saying goodbye to them and I'm like, I gotta get like a clan uniform here so that like when I hear him saying goodbye to guests, I like open the door, I'm like, hey Lex, how's it going?
01:52:46.000Like the wacky sitcom neighbor and he has to explain, oh no, it's just Michael, he's just like that.
01:52:51.000So if someone wants to send me a clan uniform to add to the seven I already have, Yeah, that'd be really great.
01:52:57.000No, but Lex is really one of, he has, for someone who is made of string and wires, he has like the biggest heart maybe of anyone I know.
01:54:24.000And subscriber only, and so all the people who hate me are subscribing, and they want to say they don't like me, and they're allowed to say they don't like me.
01:54:35.000During Occupy, I was livestreaming, and it was like all these leftists, like liberal people who were watching, of course, and then a bunch of conservatives came in and started smack-talking and everything.
01:54:45.000The viewers that were like more like, we had like 2,000 viewers at the time on my phone.
01:54:49.000They were like, Tim, you got to ban these people.
01:56:25.000Milo said you cannot give people the First Second Amendment unless they're Christian, you can't.
01:56:28.000Then Jack Ryan is saying those are rights that I, a non-believer, fought for and better men have died for to protect for all American citizens.
01:56:34.000Yeah, I think a lot of Christian beliefs are in our system, our agnostic system, so you can still run the—I don't know if you need to be a Christian.
01:56:42.000I think literally over 90% of Christians who believe in the Second—95% would agree that everyone has the right to protect themselves.
01:57:28.000That's the point that we're making is that like YouTube, he probably has more recommendations than any other podcast.
01:57:36.000I'm sorry, I never thought... I'm not saying anything bad about him.
01:57:40.000Well, that person is, and I'm happy to defend Lex.
01:57:43.000I don't think he has boring vanilla lip paints and everything.
01:57:45.000I think his big principle, and what he's doing well, especially to do, is for people to be kinder to one another, to listen to each other, one another.
01:57:54.000And to be less antagonistic and more cooperative.
01:57:56.000And I think that's a great message that I don't entirely agree with.
01:58:51.000Red Vista says, just a point for the discoverability of your channel.
01:58:54.000The way I discovered this channel is I looked up Joe Rogan drama when he was being cancelled and just filtered search by max views and got here.
01:59:09.000And this has happened to other people, I'm not going to drag into the conversation, but other prominent people who are not establishment aligned.
01:59:15.000are like if you get the establishment left channels ragging on you instead of the people actually trying to
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02:00:35.000You can follow me at Twitter.com slash Michael Malice.
02:00:37.000There's a few hundred copies left, signed hardcovers, and once they're gone, they're gone.
02:00:40.000That's the top tweet on Twitter.com slash Michael Malice, and you're welcome It's going to be great for the rest of the year, and I'll be back very soon to launch the White Pale, A Tale of Good and Evil, which is a book I've been working on for two years.
02:00:52.000We'll order pizza and wings when we do it.
02:01:05.000When Ludwig von Mises was at the Mount Pelerin Society and Milton Friedman and all of them were discussing how in a free society you could still have some kind of progressive income tax and Ludwig von Mises stood up and said, you're all a bunch of socialists and stormed out of the room.