On today's show, we discuss the sudden demise of CNN Plus and why it's a good thing that Elon Musk is going to buy it. Plus, we talk about why we should call media pundits "influencers" and why they should be called "content creators."
00:01:00.000I don't think people realize that CNN, or they're just realizing that it was like the thing you watched at the airport because it was the only thing on.
00:01:09.000Like no one's going out of their way to subscribe to CNN.
00:01:12.000And now we've got conclusive proof of this.
00:01:14.000But you know, the amazing thing is the other day Seamus was mentioning that it's like nobody watches CNN.
00:01:45.000There was someone on Twitter who was saying that we should refer to all of these media pundits as content creators, just because you can't even imagine anyone referring to one of these people as their favorite.
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00:03:34.000TimCast.com reports Trump mocks CNN and low-rated Chris Wallace over failed streaming service.
00:03:41.000Saying, quote, it was like an empty desert out there despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars and the hiring of low-rated Chris Wallace, a man who tried so hard to be his father, Mike, but lacked the talent and whatever else is necessary to be a star.
00:03:55.000In any event, it's just one more piece of CNN fake news that we don't have to bother with anymore, Trump continued.
00:04:21.000Could you imagine being Chris Wallace and being like, you're at Fox News and then Brian Stelter walks up and he's like, would you like to do a show?
00:04:28.000And he's like, well, I think that sounds like a great idea.
00:04:31.000And then he moves over and then within three weeks, he's fired.
00:04:34.000I'm obsessed with reading all the articles about his mental state, like the updates.
00:04:38.000It's like Chris Wallace telling interns to read him the numbers every hour.
00:04:42.000Chris Wallace having mental breakdown.
00:04:46.000Like he was worried about his ratings?
00:04:48.000Yeah, he kept asking them to give him updates on the numbers every day.
00:04:51.000I would promise you that TimCast has more subs.
00:04:54.000Do you think there are people out there who are like, you know, they're going to work and then they walk up to the water cooler and there's like a dude pouring water and they go, hey, hey, you see that Chris Wallace yesterday?
00:06:11.000Like, I'd be curious to see those numbers behind the scenes.
00:06:13.000It was 150,000 paying monthly members.
00:06:17.000So, if you're doing, you know, six bucks a month or whatever, they're not even cracking a million bucks per month.
00:06:22.000So, you know, they got a good amount of money coming in per year, but with a $300 million initial investment, and they were planning on putting a billion dollars into it.
00:06:33.000Warner Brothers merges with Discovery, and what they're saying now is they're like, Because of the merger, CNN Plus didn't fit our plans and we want everything housed under one streaming service.
00:06:44.000And I'm like, oh yeah, if CNN got a million subs in one month, they would not have canceled it.
00:07:10.000But the fact is, if you want people to pay for your subscription service, you have to have said something at least mildly interesting at some point in your life, and I don't think you'd qualify to work at CNN if you were capable of that.
00:07:22.000John Nicosia, the former managing editor of Mediaite, recently reported he had sources saying Wallace was having daily breakdowns over the state of CNN.
00:07:30.000Quote, source, Chris Wallace is having daily breakdowns over the miserable launch of CNN Plus.
00:07:36.000Wants a CNN show or is threatening to walk, they go on.
00:07:39.000He is having staffers count how many times a day his promo is playing.
00:07:44.000Yeah, pathetic comes from pathetikos, which is Greek for subject to feeling sensitive or capable of emotion.
00:07:50.000It wasn't necessarily tied to an audience, but it was usually because of the way someone else treated someone.
00:07:56.000I would not want to be Chris Wallace's agent right now.
00:07:58.000He's, you know, Chris Wallace on the phone, what's going on with my show?
00:08:05.000I would pay if they moved them, transferred all these people from CNN plus to Disney plus and like cast them in an early 2000s style Disney movie.
00:08:24.000They cast everyone from CNN in one of those and like as like high school People too, since they always cast adults as high school characters in Disney movies.
00:08:34.000To be honest, I gotta be real, if CNN Plus launched and their commercial was that all of the hosts from CNN's primetime and Chris Wallace would be, like, CNN Plus was literally just them doing musicals.
00:08:50.000I actually would have subscribed to see it.
00:08:53.000I'd be like, I'd like to see Brian Stelter pirouette.
00:08:55.000You know, and it's a ridiculous thing I wouldn't pay for in the long term, but I'd at least pay out of curiosity one time to see what they're doing.
00:09:01.000Instead, they were like, nobody wants to watch CNN.
00:09:04.000Let's put our behind the scenes garbage that's even worse for money.
00:09:08.000And I'm like, I don't want to pay Tim, why are you giving them ideas?
00:09:11.000I thought we're here trying to build culture.
00:09:38.000It's a show where you get Chris Wallace for one hour, you get Brian Stotter for one hour, you get Jake Tapper, and they have to read the Super Chats, whatever it is, in chronological order.
00:09:50.000So that means Brian Stotter would have to read exactly what someone sends him, Yo, I just want to say, you guys, we would make a million bucks a day.
00:10:16.000No, like the first super chat for Brian Stelter is someone would write, I am a potato, I am a potato, and he'd have to read it, and people would pay good money for him to do that.
00:10:24.000This is the thing, it's not just the interactivity of it, it's the personality you're dealing with.
00:10:30.000Do you think people would really like write into Brian Stelter?
00:10:33.000I don't know, like maybe to mess with them or if they were reading it, but I just don't think these people are entertaining or charismatic enough.
00:10:40.000Yeah, they're parroting a line of lies, I think, for the most part.
00:10:44.000I've seen a lot of stuff come out of CNN.
00:10:45.000The thing is, I don't want to say too much because I can't think of any one thing off the top of my head, but it's felt like they've been lying to me for a while or telling me stuff that's not true.
00:10:53.000Whenever I've done TV shows, I've always been like, this is amazing.
00:10:57.000I just get to sit here and say whatever I want and people on the other side can't do anything about it.
00:11:41.000Like if we're really in a psychological war, fifth generational war, and they're not using the best technology available to them, they're losing the psychological war.
00:11:49.000People aren't falling for it because they can't respond, they can't get through.
00:11:52.000I think CNN wants to lie and they don't want you to be able to call them out.
00:11:58.000If CNN had a show where there was a live chat next to it, and they said, it would just be inundated with people being like, you're wrong about this, you're wrong about this.
00:12:05.000We get people super chatting us being like, Tim, you were wrong.
00:12:56.000That's the reason why CNN is failing is because of shows like this and other awesome shows where people can interact and relate to the audience.
00:13:12.000I just, I love, it was Wesley Lowery, who used to be with Washington Post.
00:13:16.000He did this big Twitter thread about how they were the only news streaming service, and it was a huge bet that doesn't pay off because regular people don't want to pay for good reporting.
00:13:23.000And I'm just like, Daily Wire has so many subscribers.
00:13:28.000He said good reporting, Tim, not right-wing bigotry.
00:14:09.000Like the Discovery guys were like, Brian Stelter is terrible or something like that?
00:14:14.000I mean, I gotta be honest, I can't imagine, I'm trying to think of what kind of person Looks at Brian Stelter and says he should have his own show.
00:14:22.000Like you listen to him and you're like, we should, we should give him a show.
00:14:27.000Cause when I look at him, I'm like, all right, he looks like when he has that really fake, there's a picture of him like doing the Joker smile where it's like, yeah, his eyes are normal, but his mouth is open.
00:15:07.000I think when you're on a show like that, people who are willing to play the game and be loyal and not question things are almost more valuable than good reporters.
00:15:17.000Because there would be so many people that are new hires that just get jaded so quickly by getting that script in.
00:15:22.000And when you have a stelter who's just like, I'll read it every day consistently, won't ask questions, lies, don't care, like that's more valuable to these networks is that that loyalty to lies than good reporting to some extent.
00:15:34.000The funniest thing about CNN Plus was that it was obviously failing to everybody with all the stories that were breaking.
00:15:39.000It was like a day after it launched, they announced that they were planning on shutting it down.
00:15:43.000And I still saw these establishment journalists trying to promote it.
00:15:47.000Not even CNN employees being like, wow, really great stuff from CNN Plus.
00:16:28.000Bring some interesting people on board, both ideally, but even if they do, I think their credibility has just been so completely destroyed that that wouldn't even save them.
00:16:51.000We are no longer a real news network, we are now satire.
00:16:54.000Like, could you imagine if Brian Stelter came out and was like, the executives realized that we were on the border of that anyway, so he decided to dip one foot in and see what happens.
00:17:03.000Donald Trump did a backflip today and he landed perfectly on target.
00:17:06.000He dove off of a 200-foot diving board into a kiddie pool.
00:17:11.000Like techno music underneath his deliveries and stuff.
00:17:13.000Like if he really wants his news show to be popular, they gotta put like a dubstep underneath him, you know, while he's talking.
00:17:26.000And then you could almost, like, super chat in, like, with Chicken City, and then, like, bread'll drop, like, when the chicken's really winning.
00:17:32.000Like, if the chicken's really got the best of him, you're like, dude, this is a point for the duck, man, I'm sorry.
00:17:37.000But when Brian's winning, you press a button and a donut falls down.
00:17:41.000In the 1950s, they would always talk like this.
00:18:33.000And the idea was they wanted an accent that would sound familiar to everyone in the country because there were different dialects spread out everywhere.
00:18:39.000And so a lot of public presenters learned how to speak this fabricated dialect and then it fell out of fashion.
00:18:46.000Well, the actors, they adopted what was meant to sound high class by adopting a British non-erotic style of speaking without the harshness of the British accent.
00:18:57.000So they'd say, darling, where's my car?
00:19:01.000And it was more of just like a taught thing.
00:19:04.000But yeah, I would love nothing more than to see that stupid news speak just completely go by the wayside.
00:19:08.000When they talk like this to tell you about the story, the thing that happened today, it is very weird.
00:19:13.000Can you imagine if someone talked to you like that?
00:19:15.000Like, what if you had someone on this podcast like, well, Tim, my opinion is that the drink that you have right now doesn't need those cherries.
00:19:30.000At what point in time was that ever possible?
00:19:32.000It seems like one of those things where because you couldn't get audience feedback, they just started talking like slightly more weirdly and never noticed how bizarre it was.
00:19:40.000I remember when I got a job working for Fusion, which is ABC, and they asked me to do live hits.
00:19:46.000And I would hear the other people be like, I'm standing here on the ground in Ferguson, around me, several protesters.
00:19:54.000And I would just be like, I'm here in Ferguson, there's protesters around me, and people are pretty angry.
00:19:59.000Yeah, that's what I did at my college news show.
00:20:00.000I don't know why you're talking like that.
00:20:02.000But he goes back, he tries to catch the ball, but he didn't.
00:20:52.000It's like, uh, it's like when you're 14 years old and you're trying to write an essay in your English class and you're just adding it, like, how do I reach the word limit here?
00:21:01.000That's part of it too, is you need to fill out a quota of words.
00:21:04.000If they were just like, write me the best story.
00:21:05.000And if you can do it the short, honestly, the more concise and simple you can make a message, the better it is in general.
00:21:11.000Yeah, it's funny because, I mean, most of what I do is cartoon writing, but I've done column writing in the past, and basically everything I was taught in my formal education about writing was completely wrong.
00:21:21.000Obviously, aside from the rules of grammar, but this idea that you have a minimum number of words, you're supposed to make it long and wordy, when in reality, people want what you write to be concise.
00:21:31.000I think that we should begin to talk more like this and try to use a style of speaking that is more professional and enunciated, because then people will assume that we are smarter than we actually are.
00:21:51.000I guess that... No, for a real question, like, why do they talk like this?
00:21:54.000I think it all came from the original newscaster that did it, and then he just created a genre, and people didn't really, they just started copying it.
00:22:00.000He like sustained some kind of head injury as a child so he couldn't speak normal, and they heard him like, that's how he was talking, that's how I'm gonna do it!
00:22:08.000You know how it's like Nirvana came out and all these other bands started sounding like Nirvana?
00:22:11.000Well, that's different, that's because record labels started taking those bands specifically, they existed.
00:22:17.000But there is the story of the King of Catalonia, So, in Spain, there's the Catalan Lisp.
00:23:15.000Donald Trump drowned 17 kittens according to an anonymous source.
00:23:20.000If you say it like that and you're not like seething and screaming then people will be like, wow, newscaster person told me fact.
00:23:26.000Maybe, you know, it'd be fun if we actually launched a semi-satirical column that's true but in like Not the right kind of way. So like what I would do is I
00:23:39.000would go to Nancy Pelosi's office, find a homeless guy near her office, and ask him to say
00:24:26.000Another theory I have is if you are less human on air, then people go after you less if you're not a personality and you're just kind of like this NPC.
00:24:36.000Have you guys ever watched, sorry, random pivot, Best of Enemies, Gore Vidal versus Buckley?
00:28:32.000Man, he is the most valuable thing that could ever happen to that company at this point.
00:28:38.000Honestly, I think they're gonna do everything to push him out because their agenda at this point for some bizarre reason isn't to make money.
00:30:41.000I think Morgan Stanley's doing 13, he's doing 21, and then there's a loan and some other numbers, but Morgan Stanley's coming in big on this.
00:30:50.000I think anybody who sees what's going on knows that Elon Musk taking over Twitter is money to be made.
00:30:57.000How many users have left the platform because of the banning of Donald Trump?
00:31:00.000Talk about the worst business decision you could ever make.
00:31:03.000Well, I think bringing them back on is also a weird decision.
00:31:06.000Because getting in there and just starting making editorial decisions about who can and can't be on the network is not the way to go forward with that network.
00:31:13.000Right, you open it back up to people for free speech.
00:31:16.000Yeah, that's one way to do it is unban every account on the network and start from scratch.
00:31:20.000You could do that and then free the software code so other people can spin up other Twitters with their own terms of service.
00:31:25.000You unban accounts that were banned for political reasons.
00:31:28.000Donald Trump was banned because he said things that they did not like.
00:31:39.000There are a lot of things you shouldn't be able to do on social media, in my opinion, platforms that are legal, like, you know, alluding to child pornography, for instance.
00:34:02.000You know, what people don't understand is cancel culture works because of sock puppetry.
00:34:07.000One activist will operate 50 accounts through different phones, so they have different IP addresses and different MAC addresses, and then they'll start spamming you.
00:34:15.000And other people will have fake accounts to spam you with and lie.
00:34:18.000Under his plan, a regular person can spend five bucks, just five bucks.
00:34:22.000You can go on, you know, not everybody has it, I know, but the people who want it will get verified.
00:34:27.000And then you can say, I only want to interact with other people who are verified.
00:34:30.000And bot farms couldn't make money off of that.
00:35:36.000Pay-to-play social networks aren't my favorite idea.
00:35:38.000I understand the short-term value of it though, but you could still have the CCP or the US government could pay $600 million to get a bunch of people verified and then trick you into thinking that they're not bots.
00:35:51.000In order to be verified, you have to pay.
00:35:54.000You have to have an account where money is coming.
00:36:00.000Yeah, but I'm saying that money could come from, like, a nefarious actor.
00:36:03.000Right, I'm just saying Elon Musk's plan is to have you pay and they would verify your identity.
00:36:07.000It makes money for them, they can cover the cost of verifying you.
00:36:11.000Couldn't they just do what Facebook does, which I don't like because it plays into all the digital ID stuff, but you have to upload like your driver's license to have an account so no one can create multiple accounts.
00:36:29.000That whole thing like tracking you and knowing who you are and where you are is It has its value because you're on the network now and people can find you.
00:36:35.000But the downside is if the government goes crazy and you need to do some revolutionary war stuff, then you don't want them to know.
00:36:42.000Like Ben Franklin, if he'd been on Facebook, that's what it came to his house before the revolution ever kicked off.
00:36:46.000It's almost too late now because the people think like, oh, digital ID is just like linking your accounts with your, you know, real life ID, all of.
00:36:56.000Like having your face scanned, fingerprints, but it's more than that.
00:36:59.000They can now detect your digital identity by your typing habits, the pressure you put down on your keyboard, on your smartphone.
00:37:07.000Yeah, even if you're anonymous, living in the woods somewhere, they can detect a mass data sweep of who's got the same pressure points on their smartphone.
00:37:26.000The phone software code needs to also be free, so you can see if the phone itself is doing it before it even gets to the program and it's sensing you.
00:37:34.000I haven't used one yet, but phones like that.
00:37:37.000And I would agree, but the question is, how do you get the average person to really care about it enough to make consumer decisions that will cause companies to change the way they manufacture these things and the way they give your data out?
00:37:47.000The evil way to get people to do is fear.
00:37:50.000That's been the go-to way for a lot of authoritarian The right way to do it is build something that is so amazing that they want to use it instead.
00:37:58.000I think we could make a cheeky authoritarian government, Ian.
00:38:10.000There would be like a guy, like the cop is wearing like tie-dye armor and he walks up to some dude wearing a suit and he goes, where's your crystal?
00:39:02.000Some places, like, for medical- for medicinal- spiritual, like, um, I don't think DMT outright, but, like, ayahuasca is protected, I think, under some Native American protection and religion laws, and, like, peyote and stuff.
00:40:41.000And they're like, they're going like this, and the guy's like, hands up, hands down, and they go, and start like swinging one arm, like they just could not do it.
00:40:49.000We could bring Islam and Christianity together.
00:41:21.000This is where it gets, on some matters, but then a lot of atheists are running around with Christian moral foundations and just don't realize it.
00:41:28.000Yeah, but I'm just talking about like that step between I don't believe there's a greater power that controls our civilization and life and soul to I believe in God and that dynamic is so big that, you know... Monotheism.
00:41:50.000You know, whether it's the rights of other people, whether it's a god or an afterlife, it feels like very much what separates the left from the right in the modern context is whether the world is about you or the world is about everyone.
00:42:03.000I liked Martin Luther because he seemed to see that it was about his connection to God directly and less about going through a church.
00:42:15.000Because they believe the destruction they cause is justified for several reasons.
00:42:20.000One, either they want to make money, they care more about themselves than the greater society.
00:42:24.000Or two, they think their vision of the world is better than yours, which is once again about them.
00:42:30.000But that's so interesting because they obviously used to be, you know, for the group, for the leftist kind of perspective was the union, the people, but that's completely shifted.
00:42:40.000And I think that's why I saw someone tweeting about this, that they wanted libs of TikTok censored because they used to have the working class union man.
00:42:48.000And that has been the power of the left.
00:42:50.000And they are losing that fast with these people seeing what is going on with these like hardcore individualist liberals in schools.
00:42:56.000You have the populist expanse on the right is resulting in some left economic policies finding their way to conservatives.
00:43:03.000You now have Tucker Carlson bringing on the guy who formed the Amazon union and saying, good, good for you.
00:43:11.000I think Amazon is absolutely terrible.
00:43:12.000We're all addicted to it because of its convenience, but boy, are they nasty.
00:43:16.000And so Tucker is now like, you know, I've disagreed with unions in the past, but I appreciate you guys sticking it to the big evil corporations.
00:43:22.000And then you have, you have the left cheering for Saudi Arabia, cheering for China, cheering for Disney today in the house.
00:43:34.000That was amazing so so the house voted, you know, what do we have this one?
00:43:39.000I don't know if I have the video pulled up but in the house on In Florida, they voted to take away the special governing privileges and tax privileges from Disney and the activists were like No!
00:45:47.000It's almost this mutually parasitic relationship.
00:45:49.000The left sees Disney as a vehicle for promoting their ideas, and Disney believes that they can extract some profit from left-wing audience members if they promote those ideals.
00:45:58.000And as soon as either doesn't need the other or they rise to power and get what they want, they're gonna throw each other under the bus.
00:46:05.000Yeah, it's tough to tell what these specific people, what their intentions were.
00:46:08.000I don't know if they were trying to support evil or if they were just sad.
00:49:07.000I don't blame you for it, because this is exactly what I saw as well.
00:49:10.000They're like, everyone's, all of these people were tweeting, they passed the bill cutting out Disney's taxes amid protests, and you can't really hear what the protests are saying.
00:49:19.000And when you look at news articles that frame it this way, can we pull this one up again?
00:49:22.000When they literally say they passed the bill ending the carve-out amid protests, they're manipulating you into thinking the protests were about that.
00:49:34.000I've gone through that a lot, writing articles with mines in the early days.
00:49:37.000Like, at what point do you have to pass, do you pass the buck or take responsibility when you read a fake article and then you present it to the masses?
00:49:44.000Yeah, so they said the protests began as Democrats' debate time expired on the bill to pass congressional maps drafted by DeSantis' office.
00:49:51.000Democrats called DeSantis' involvement a breach of the separation of powers and argued the maps would reduce the representation of black Floridians in Congress.
00:50:58.000They could have put like a mid-war because they're but only we're talking about the war in Ukraine We didn't mean anything about what right?
00:51:04.000That's that's something that you got to be really careful of too because depending on what the headlines you use for stories are so It's tough, because I'll do YouTube videos that way when I'm trying to make a point about two things happening simultaneously or having some relationship.
00:52:40.000And then they actually say, I think they said in the tweet, you got to watch out for these grifters changing their positions.
00:52:46.000And in it, it's like, I can't remember if it was the Media Matters tweet, or it was the first iteration of it I saw, I need to double check.
00:52:52.000I wasn't on that show that night either, that's really annoying.
00:52:55.000So it's like me saying, the issue for me is it's not gay marriage or a slippery slope.
00:52:59.000Fallacy, I think, to consenting adults is not the issue.
00:53:02.000Obviously there's a lot of traditional conservatives have an issue with that, I disagree.
00:53:04.000The issue is with children who can't consent, that's always been the point.
00:53:10.000We had a discussion with Jason Whitlock and I'm like, I'm okay with gay marriage.
00:53:29.000Well, it's funny, because after I made my point, which was absolutely correct and absolutely accurate, you said you disagreed with me, so they just as easily could have made the headline, Tim Pool supports our, you know, lame left-wing position on this.
00:53:43.000Tim Pool defends marriage equality from fascists.
00:53:47.000From bigoted conservative theocrat or whatever they call me.
00:53:51.000I gotta say, I'm surprised that this, well, I shouldn't be, but I am surprised that this is, like, a headline It kind of shows how not represented the average person is in media.
00:54:00.000Because, like, what percentage of the planet are Christians, Muslim, you know?
00:54:05.000That all of those people don't believe in gay marriage.
00:54:30.000Well, Lorne, I don't know if you know this, but the only reason that you could ever oppose the left-wing orthodoxy on matters of human sexuality is if you actually just like specifically hate people for being gay.
00:55:42.000There are many people that were formerly Democrats that, when this issue was settled, they were like, I can vote Republican now because that was a big deal for me.
00:55:51.000Now, I think if you want to talk slippery slope, the issue is, if it's bad, it's bad, and you call it bad, I don't think it's a slippery slope to be like, consenting adults can do what they want, children can't consent, they never will be able to, and you're not going to change that no matter what.
00:56:06.000Yeah so I, and this is the thing, I would agree that it's a bad argument to say this thing which is like otherwise good could lead to this bad thing so we shouldn't do it.
00:56:16.000I mean my argument is that marriage is between a man and a woman and because enshrining these unions which are Not representative of that, and erode the family.
00:56:26.000Incorporating those into our definition of marriage legally is a bad thing to do.
00:56:32.000Oh, I can't believe how left-wing your take is.
00:56:34.000Marriage is obviously between a Christian man and a Christian woman.
00:56:37.000Oh yeah, you're talking about Christian marriage.
00:56:39.000So there's legal marriage, which is just a legal union.
00:56:42.000You go down to the courthouse, you sign some papers, and then you have the joint bank account, and you don't get taxed when you give your wife $600,000.
00:56:46.000There's Christian religion, which is like a spiritual blend.
00:58:40.000You know, there's interesting questions there about the challenge of the libertarian argument.
00:58:46.000So we were talking about the moral foundations the other day, and one of the moral foundations is like, would you allow two consenting adults in any circumstance, like their own private, you know, life?
00:58:58.000And the argument for gay marriage was always like, two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home can do whatever they want.
00:59:01.000It's like, what if it's like a daughter and a father?
00:59:39.000You had mice that you had as pets that were basically... They just kept breeding and breeding and they were breeding with their kids and all that.
01:00:22.000But there are real challenges to the libertarian argument because, as Ian was mentioning, there's risks.
01:00:28.000Like, there's a reason why you don't do it.
01:00:30.000You had deformities and serious problems, and so that's why there's laws against it.
01:00:34.000But I genuinely think as we move towards this anyone can be anything and do whatever they want phase of reality, or like people are trying to create, You're going to see a lot more of this.
01:00:43.000I'm willing to bet that we're, you know, 10 or 20 years out from contending adults can do whatever they want in any capacity.
01:00:50.000That's how that's like a weird part of reality.
01:00:52.000Like the kings of old, they would marry their daughter to their cousin to keep the bloodline, what they would call, I don't know if they would call it pure, but it was to keep like all the money in the family and all the power in the family, basically.
01:01:02.000I believe the ancient Egyptians would do that with their royalty as well.
01:01:05.000I'm curious how common that was among royal families.
01:01:07.000King Tut apparently was really sickly as a result of that.
01:01:09.000Oh yes, siblings is also... Yeah, uncle and nieces is illegal.
01:01:13.000They say individual statutes very widely.
01:01:15.000Rhode Island has repealed its criminal incest statute and only criminalizes incestuous marriage.
01:01:44.000So therein lies... Yeah, there's the problem.
01:01:47.000So if you're going to ban these people from it because of birth defects and problems, then why not ban people with diseases that they'll pass down?
01:01:54.000And that's the argument the left will come out when they say, you're a fascist for not allowing brothers to love each other.
01:01:59.000Yeah, I don't think more of wrong makes the other wrong better.
01:02:04.000Also, this is not an argument from moral foundations or anything, but one objection that comes up in my mind immediately is that you know who is related to whom.
01:02:25.000In Iceland they have an app to check to make sure you're not cousins.
01:02:29.000Because it's like an isolated population.
01:02:31.000I saw a Reddit post the other day where someone was very visually disabled, arm issues, face issues, so you could see it right away.
01:02:41.000Put a little TikTok up that was like, oh, people told me I shouldn't have kids, but I did and she's holding her baby and the baby is clearly very deformed too.
01:02:48.000And all of the people on Reddit were like, you shouldn't have, you shouldn't have, you shouldn't have, which was very interesting.
01:03:38.000I don't, I mean, there's a good argument to be made.
01:03:39.000Look, nature did not intend people who are directly related to procreate.
01:03:43.000I don't think that there's an argument to be made that, like, nature does not intend people with disabilities to procreate.
01:03:47.000Because most people with disabilities today wouldn't even survive in a natural state without our extreme scientific, like, inventions that keep them breathing and going into hospitals every day.
01:03:58.000So, like, nature literally intended for them to die.
01:04:00.000So I would argue that a person should not get married and start a family unless they are in a position to take care of that family for themselves.
01:04:06.000But if they are able to do that, it doesn't matter if they have a disability or not.
01:05:19.000They say, include nearly 1,600 pages of reports, proposals, contracts, and meeting notes to reveal some stranger priorities.
01:05:25.000A Department of Defense program that ran from 07 to 12, but only became known to the public in 2017, blah, blah, blah.
01:05:31.000They say new documents suggest they were more than investigating, the entire cache of documents, yada yada.
01:05:36.000Perhaps most intriguing, look how long it can read.
01:05:38.000Okay, yeah, so the document here says, let me read this quote.
01:05:41.000The various advanced technologies, the collections include a transversable wormhole, stargates, and negative energy, high frequency gravitational wave communication, warp drive, dark energy, and the manipulation of extra dimensions, and many other topics that will sound familiar to fans of science fiction.
01:06:17.000They say the latest FOIA document dump arrived just three weeks after British tabloid The Sun obtained more than 1,500 pages related to alleged UFO encounters cataloged by the AATIP.
01:06:28.000Including among the documents was a report on the alleged biological effects of UFO encounters on humans.
01:06:33.000The report listed paralysis, apparent abduction, and unaccounted-for pregnancy as a side effect.
01:06:39.000They just didn't want to talk about it.
01:06:41.000They were like, uh, by the way, I think I had sex with... It's like some woman cheated on her husband, and then she comes back, and he's like, Aliens did it!
01:07:37.000It's all the lights are pointing together, so the single point You know what happened?
01:07:41.000Someone got drunk at NASA and forgot to write up their proposal and they're just like, I'll write something so effing wild that no one will question it.
01:07:49.000It's like the craziest cultists are in the government.
01:07:51.000I mean, they have all the power in the world, literally.
01:07:53.000They're the most powerful people in the world.
01:07:55.000And like, who knows if they're dropping acid and taking mushrooms and like, what?
01:08:15.000I think the reason people identify as furry is because they grew up watching Looney Tunes and anthropomorphized animals.
01:08:21.000So they want to then, when they're older, they dress like cartoon animals.
01:08:25.000I thought about this because I realized, like, you see these memes about furries and I'm like, they're not dressing like animals, they're dressing like Bugs Bunny.
01:08:31.000And, like, the big white hands and everything sometimes.
01:08:33.000They're dressing to hook up with Lola Bunny.
01:08:39.000Depending on who you ask, like, we've had people super chat and say it's not about
01:08:42.000just, like, sex. It's about being it and being that thing.
01:08:45.000And I'm like, yeah, it's because they watched anthropomorphized animals as kids. If that
01:08:49.000idea didn't exist, they wouldn't have it.
01:08:51.000So what happens is, you'll get someone, you know, 1947, and the government's like,
01:08:55.000if they find out about our nuclear, you know, programs, it's going to be bad. So just lie and
01:09:00.000So turn them into furries so they won't know anything.
01:09:02.000So then the media reports aliens, some little kid reads it and goes, whoa, aliens!
01:09:06.000Grows up believing that story and then enlists to join the UFO program, genuinely believing it was aliens the whole time and they're being lied to.
01:09:13.000And then they tell people, I've seen some weird stuff and I think it's aliens.
01:09:16.000That kid then grows up being like, whoa, aliens are real.
01:09:19.000The guy from NASA told me I better go work there.
01:09:22.000And they just, it perpetuates amongst ourselves.
01:09:24.000Yeah, Bob Lazar is notoriously made publicly humiliated, basically publicly by saying Zeta Reticuli and the aliens he saw.
01:09:31.000And I think that was just red herrings that they fed him.
01:09:33.000Cause they're like, if this guy, they tell their scientists this stuff.
01:09:35.000So if they ever go rogue, then they're going to look like idiots.
01:09:38.000If they actually knew they were working on drones.
01:11:20.000Um, he was just trying to do it, but I read a story about a guy who like made his own rocket cause he wanted to prove the earth was flat or something.
01:12:36.000The story is that Eratosthenes accurately calculated the circumference of the earth by measuring shadows at two different points at the same time or something.
01:12:44.000And it's funny because the flat earthers are like, how was he able to coordinate that?
01:12:48.000How did he do it if he didn't have a cell phone?
01:12:52.000And I'm like, oh geez, people couldn't communicate over long distances back then, like fire didn't exist, smoke didn't exist, and general timing didn't exist.
01:13:06.000And then, apparently, we never thought the Earth was flat, because as soon as we discovered seafaring, you'd see things go over the horizon.
01:13:13.000Boats would appear to go down as they got to the horizon too far away, and so they were like, we're on a big ball.
01:13:19.000Yeah, that must have been super ancient, before they even realized the horizon bends when you look out at the ocean to the side.
01:14:28.000If you guys could either watch the formation of the of the solar system and as fast as you want to just to see it happen or have a conversation with Jesus, what would you pick?
01:15:04.000Yeah, if you could go back to like 3... Like you don't, like guaranteed it's gonna be, yeah, you're not gonna be fooling yourself.
01:15:09.000If you could go to 3 AD, like it might make Christians no longer Christian if they meet him.
01:15:12.000They're like, whoa, he actually is just a guy.
01:15:14.000Like if you could go back to 3 AD and sit down with the dude and talk to him, or whatever, when he was 24 or something.
01:15:19.000Yeah, I'm sure a bunch of saints got persecuted, boiled, and hung for just a guy.
01:15:24.000I heard that there's a book about it, actually, that the Roman emperor at the time and a bunch of Roman oligarchs made Christianity to disempower the Jews because they had too much power.
01:15:37.000To get to your actual question, you have to have, it's like, would you, would you want to talk to a guy people think is God?
01:15:47.000Or would you want to see the universe form?
01:15:49.000Those are two very, very distinct questions.
01:15:51.000Well, obviously I would like to have a supernatural experience watching the formation of the universe, but if the premise is that Jesus is God, I'd be like, I'd much rather talk to Jesus.
01:16:29.000But you get to talk to Jesus, and you get to find out the fate of your soul in the afterlife.
01:16:33.000Like, why wouldn't you... Well, I want to find out if it was a Z-pinch that caused the sun to, like, overcharge itself and then spit out all this matter, or if it was a binary star collision that caused it to arc out and create Saturn.
01:16:44.000And that's more important than your eternity?
01:16:46.000Yeah, but what's the guarantee that Jesus would tell you about your eternity?
01:16:49.000I actually think he'd be like, I don't know.
01:16:51.000I think about the universe forming too.
01:18:13.000Why would they allow the Sanhedrin and, you know, the Roman government to destroy what they had created for the purpose of getting rid of the power of Jews in Rome?
01:18:21.000I don't know anything about the Sanhedrin.
01:20:00.000I was like, can I do the worst possible segway?
01:20:03.000I thought this story was interesting because we've been seeing an increase in crime.
01:20:07.000We've also been seeing wokeness going crazy.
01:20:10.000So when there was a report that they're like, it's racially motivated because the woman was white and she had braids, these guys basically attacked her because she was culturally appropriating braids.
01:20:19.000And the city's saying it's a hate crime.
01:20:23.000So they said the Boston police are investigating a possible racially motivated crime after a group of teenagers attacked a woman in the city's downtown.
01:20:30.000The headline is a white woman with braids.
01:20:40.000The girls allegedly punched and kicked the woman and pulled her by the hair because she was... Here we go.
01:20:46.000One of the victims said a group of girls called her a white expletive with braids who should not wear her hair in that style because she was not black before assaulting her.
01:20:55.000The girls allegedly punched and kicked the woman and pulled her by her hair.
01:20:59.000Okay, so if this never actually happened, and instead a leftist invented a story of this happening to a black person, like completely fabricated a hate crime like this, it would be in the national news cycle for days and days.
01:21:16.000No, they're not going to talk about this.
01:21:18.000I always like pointing out that Bill Maher, a week after Covington was debunked, still maintained the lie.
01:21:23.000Because the dude just, like, doesn't know how to Google stuff.
01:21:26.000I get nervous about the term hate crime.
01:21:30.000I like that it's finally being used both ways, though.
01:21:33.000Like, there was just a Calgary police tweet where it was just some graffiti that said, like, F white people, white people shouldn't exist anymore.
01:21:40.000And they're, like, investigating a hate crime.
01:21:42.000And people were seething, balding in the comments.
01:22:31.000The guy terrorized everyone on the train, that's terror.
01:22:33.000I don't care, use the word or don't, but it's like that they're using that word, like, hate crime, terror attack, to make it more dangerous.
01:22:42.000Every headline would be like, oh, if it were the other way around, like a white guy who shot up the place, they'd be like, if this were a brown man, they'd call it a terror attack.
01:23:03.000If I understand properly, the actual technical definition of terrorism is you're trying to use fear to get people to comply with your political motives.
01:23:12.000But this guy had posted a bunch of black nationalist stuff.
01:23:16.000Remember the Antifa guy who had the 9mm with the drum?
01:25:26.000Majid Nawaz was, like, for, like, 10 or 12 years, he was, like, a hardcore, basically doing what this guy was doing and then snapped out of it and was, like, and basically now he's talking about de-radicalization and stuff.
01:25:35.000He's big, talks a lot about the Azov in Ukraine and how we're, if we're funding that, we're funding a radical ethnic you know, cleansive group. So maybe, you know, I don't want
01:25:45.000to like this guy. I'm not a big fan of the World Health Organization, but I'm not... just because
01:25:49.000he was in an organization when he was younger doesn't mean that he's a bad person. He wasn't
01:25:52.000younger, he was like a politician, a part of this group, like an adult. And the point isn't
01:25:57.000even like him, about him personally, it's the fact that this isn't mentioned anywhere.
01:26:02.000That he can become the head of the World Health Organization with no fuss about the fact that he was part of a terror organization.
01:26:08.000Oh yeah, Majid Nawaz talks openly about his experiences.
01:26:10.000If he was hiding it, that'd be a completely different story.
01:26:44.000No, I mean, of course, this guy's Facebook page, as you mentioned, his social media accounts were filled with a bunch of left-wing rhetoric and their argument is... I actually don't even really make an argument about it.
01:26:55.000They just don't say anything, but that's ridiculous.
01:26:57.000I mean, if somebody committed a massacre and their social media was full of them posting things like, the goblins watch me and like the voices tell me to shoot
01:27:05.000people we wouldn't assume that that was unrelated to them going out and hurting people and yet when
01:27:10.000someone's posting like incendiary insane left-wing rhetoric that's just not even a potential
01:27:15.000motivation for why they would go out and kill people once they do. You know look I can't
01:27:23.000But, um, when you have these prominent left-wing podcasts just outright lie about all of this stuff, they'll be like, you know, you'll mention this and they'll be like, no, he isn't.
01:27:32.000You'll be like, he's a member of the group.
01:27:56.000I've said it before, I'll say it again.
01:27:58.000What's the point of negotiating with someone who will look at, like, they'll look at this bottle and say, I have a glass bottle, and they'll go, no, you don't.
01:29:09.000The conclusion of Farmlands is that there isn't a white genocide, but that we're approaching steps where we have rhetoric in government saying we need to kill white people, which I think pretty fair, right?
01:29:19.000If government elected officials are saying we need to kill boar, They were singing it.
01:29:32.000This is the farm attacks where white farmers were getting attacked in South Africa because they thought you're colonialists and we kind of thing.
01:29:38.000Yeah, there's like massive groups, the EFF, Black Land First, that literally just advocate killing and taking the land from the boar.
01:29:47.000They have songs about it that they've sung, like full-on hate speech, farmers just getting murdered on their property for the crime of being white and owning land.
01:31:28.000They can track the data on Google, the most searched countries within countries in Europe.
01:31:34.000And it was showing like, oh, Ukraine is being the most searched country outside of people's own country in every country in Europe, except one place, Ireland.
01:31:42.000And guess what their most searched country was?
01:31:58.000The IRA and the Irish, was it an attempted revolution that they wanted freedom from Britain and like half the country got it and the other half is still British?
01:32:05.000I don't know, Lauren's the expert on this.
01:32:08.000I am by no means anyway an expert, no, very little.
01:33:24.000It got to the point where, this is what that one dude was telling us, he was like, if one side adopted a principle or idea, the other side would take the opposite just for the sake of taking the opposite.
01:33:31.000Well then yeah, they had like Obama and Nelson Mandela on the Irish side of the wall, and then they had, yeah, all this like right-wing stuff on the Northern Irish side.
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01:34:14.000Rylo says, why is Trump talking smack about CNN Plus when I can't even get into Truth Social?
01:35:59.000The babies got released for the first time.
01:36:02.000Finally out of the brooders and they're running around and they're all flapping their wings for the first time because they were really cramped in there.
01:36:07.000And then they had two chicken parties.
01:36:12.000This house is actually run by the chickens now.
01:36:14.000I went downstairs and it was just chickens everywhere.
01:36:17.000We are averaging at this point probably like $1,300 per day.
01:36:23.000Like, tax day was really low, nobody was super chatting, because everyone's, like, groaning.
01:36:27.000But today, with the amount of money that came in, it makes up and bounces out, so it's probably like $1,500.
01:36:31.000Yo, Chicken City is going to fund so much.
01:36:34.000I was going to say, you're going to get to a point where Chicken City is making more than TimCast IRL, and you guys are going to start getting, like, Wolf of Wall Street psychotic about it.
01:36:41.000You're going to be like, Dance, chickens!
01:39:58.000Well, I think there's a, and I sort of hear you, but I think there's a difference between directly giving somebody income for having kids and allowing them to keep the money that they already earned when they're having kids.
01:40:10.000That's a good point, because then it still incentivizes them to work.
01:40:12.000And it's also, like, who has a higher claim to your money?
01:40:15.000The children you need to provide for, or the government?
01:41:17.000I got the corn whiskey because I was like, sooner or later, someone's going to come here who has no idea what any of this is, and they're going to drink the $10 corn whiskey.
01:41:22.000There's also colloidal gold over there I got a little bit of.
01:42:29.000Here's a good one John Morgan Iyer says Tim, please stop saying John you are 33 years old one.
01:42:35.000It's creepy, too I'm turning 30 32 this year get it, right So I made I make the joke where it's like I know the demographic so I can I can look in the camera and say John You're a 33 year old white man.
01:46:17.000Do you want to talk about your personal life?
01:46:19.000I was actually going to take the opportunity to make fun of Luke because I like making fun of Luke, but I was like, wait, no, this might be.
01:47:54.000But I suppose if you look at the way we approach things, it's from a very different perspective or operation, but we agree on so much about culture.
01:48:01.000The Daily Wire is never going to set up a chicken coop and have chicken parties, right?
01:48:06.000You know, but they're making movies, so they're, they're, they're taking the institutional hill and I'm glad they are.
01:48:11.000Oh, me and Jeremy are about the same age.
01:48:36.000Yeah, so, you know, one of the things I thought about was like, should we have someone actually just pull, like, some of the best superchats?
01:49:24.000What's the history of that 666 number?
01:49:26.000Is it irresponsible for me to tell people to subscribe to your channel I haven't seen in a while because I think it's the wrong number?
01:49:30.000Steven Bordelmay says marriage is a religious custom that only became I don't know what the word he was going to use bastardized when the state adopted it for the purpose of stealing more money from its civilians.
01:49:42.000I think the issue is that in this country marriage is quite literally an Abrahamic institution rooted in the fact that this country was founded by a bunch of Christians and it morphed into a state institution but is still attached to the church and that creates a very serious problem in this country if you're going to argue the separation of church and state well then I don't know what you're doing.
01:50:03.000That was always my question when the Prop 8 thing was happening.
01:50:07.000Because they had that musical where Jack Black is like, your nation is built on separation
01:50:34.000I think the problem was the civil unions that they were talking about back with the Obama days in 08 didn't offer identical rights between gay couples and traditionally married couples.
01:50:46.000And then I was like, you can't do that.
01:50:47.000And that was, I think that was the argument they used to actually get gay marriage, because it was equal rights.
01:50:52.000But I was like, I don't know how you, you have a, like, we have an institutionalized religious component with marriage.
01:50:59.000Well there is, part of it is- Well did civil unions not have the same rights as a traditional marriage?
01:51:03.000At the time, the argument, because Obama said he was opposed to gay marriage, and he said he was in favor of civil unions.
01:51:12.000The activist group said that there were certain rights that were not afforded civil unions as opposed to marriage, and that's why they wanted marriage.
01:51:19.000And I just said, well then get those rights to civil unions and are we happy?
01:51:22.000And they were like, no, we want the institution.
01:51:24.000And I was like, Yeah, that will they want the word and this is the thing I mean marriage is so there are there are sacramental marriages but also people who marriage predates the Marriage, I mean it goes all the way back to Adam and Eve And so I believe it was in Christians believe it was created by God, but we believe in a concept of natural marriage It's not that it's specifically in all instances something people do as a matter of their religious faith It's just that it has a definition and that definition is that it's a union between man and woman That's what's one of the instrumental parts of what it means
01:51:55.000Cara May says, quote of the night by yours truly Lauren, quote, have we really reached equality if people can't marry their dogs?
01:53:12.000So we believe that Adam and Eve are the primordial, like they're the first human ancestors, that all human life goes back to the first two people.
01:53:26.000It says that the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, Abraham marrying his half-sister, Sarah, Lot and his daughters, Moses' father, Amram, who married his aunt, Joseph.
01:53:36.000And also be careful too, because I'm sure that's, there's a list of a number of instances here, but just because the Bible is describing something doesn't necessarily mean it's condoning it.
01:55:48.000I saw someone drifting a tank on Twitter yesterday and it made me very sad to think I will never drift a tank unless I'm in an active war zone.
01:55:54.000There's a guy over here who, not that far away, owns a tank and he invited us out.
01:55:58.000Is it like a working, functional tank?
01:56:46.000There was something about a turtle that was really funny, but I think I lost that one.
01:56:51.000Jay Dox says, 11 of 12 apostles were tortured, burned, crucified, beheaded, stoned, drawn and quartered, all died for what they knew was true and not for what they believed.
01:58:49.000Well, I think you might be able to, but the rules are that display of firearms has to be in an approved setting, and you can't be manipulating or something, but I'm not entirely sure.
01:58:59.000So why do I have a toy sword when Seamus gets two steak knives?
01:59:04.000Because I'm a trustworthy individual who has proven himself to expertly handle those steak knives.
01:59:09.000Those steak knives were for peeling blood oranges.
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02:01:37.000We just released a cartoon today about the mask mandates being repealed for airlines.
02:01:42.000I think you guys are really going to like it.
02:01:43.000It's something like 20,000 views ahead of our most viewed video of the last 10 uploads, so the audience is really loving it.
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02:01:53.000One of these days, I'm going to hold a crystal ball up to the sky and light a fire from a distance with it with the sunlight and prove to you that throwing fireballs is real.
02:02:01.000So we can reinterpret what like magic really is and stuff like that.
02:02:07.000Yeah, I wonder if back in the day is like had a staff with a crystal and he held it up and started a fire and they're like, Whoa, I took a really long he'd be like, I will attack you with my fire spell.