Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - Timcast IRL - Tucker Says He Was Fired JUST BEFORE Exposing FEDS At Jan 6th Riot w-James Klug

00:00:00.000 So Tucker Carlson did an interview with Russell Brand.

00:00:28.000 And he said something that, uh, it might be shocking and it might actually, it might be

00:00:34.000 kind of obvious.

00:00:35.000 There were a lot of feds on January 6th.

00:00:37.000 Embedded.

00:00:38.000 What Tucker Carlson said was that he had done an interview with the Capitol Police Chief who told him this, and he wasn't a conspiracist, and then he hears this, and he's like, interesting.

00:00:46.000 He did not get a chance to air that interview because Fox removed him before he could.

00:00:51.000 He does intend to have that interview.

00:00:53.000 So this is really, really fascinating.

00:00:54.000 I don't know if it's necessarily a revelation because we've been learning more and more about the officers who were embedded on January 6th and even encouraging people to take action.

00:01:02.000 But I still think this is big news.

00:01:04.000 I'm looking forward to seeing how Tucker handles moving forward.

00:01:07.000 And we do have a lot of other news too, of course.

00:01:09.000 We'll talk about that.

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00:03:31.000 And making a rare appearance is producer Carter Banks.

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00:04:15.000 Here's the first story from the Daily Mail.

00:04:17.000 Tucker Carlson tells Russell Brand he doesn't know why he was fired by Fox News in his first interview, as he also makes the bombshell claim that the crowd outside the Capitol on January 6th was filled with federal agents.

00:04:29.000 Well, in fact, we have that clip.

00:04:31.000 Green lives matter.

00:04:33.000 Not true, that is, other than...

00:04:34.000 They have a good amount of followers, and they tweeted this.

00:04:36.000 Tucker says the chief of Capitol Police told him that the crowd on January 6th was filled with federal agents.

00:04:41.000 He planned on airing that interview, but was cancelled before he could do so.

00:04:45.000 Now we know why he was cancelled and fired.

00:04:47.000 Are you seeing it clearly now they don't want the world to know the truth?

00:04:49.000 Well, let me play for you that clip.

00:04:51.000 It's only about 50 seconds long.

00:04:52.000 And that was a tip off to me.

00:04:53.000 I mean, I had no thought in my head as I watched this happen on television and in the subsequent weeks that U.S.

00:05:02.000 Law enforcement or military agencies had anything to do with it.

00:05:05.000 That never crossed my mind.

00:05:06.000 I never thought there was a false flag or anything like that.

00:05:09.000 I'm not a conspiracist by temperament.

00:05:11.000 I never thought that.

00:05:13.000 And then I interviewed the chief of the Capitol Police, Stephen Sund, in an interview that was never aired on Fox, by the way.

00:05:20.000 I was fired before it could air.

00:05:21.000 I'm going to interview him again.

00:05:24.000 But Stephen Sund was the totally non-political Worked for Nancy Pelosi.

00:05:29.000 I mean, this was not some right-wing activist.

00:05:30.000 He was the chief of the Capitol Police on January 6th, and he said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that crowd was filled with federal agents.

00:05:38.000 What?

00:05:38.000 Yes.

00:05:39.000 Well, he would know, of course, because he was in charge of security at the site.

00:05:43.000 So the more time has passed, now it's been... So that's the gist of it.

00:05:47.000 I mean, this is... It's big news, but I do think it's gonna be better when Tucker does actually interview the chief of police, and we hear it straight from, you know, this individual who's in charge of security.

00:05:59.000 But, uh... Yeah, I would imagine he's gonna, you know, actually deliver that promise as well, getting that out there.

00:06:04.000 Because that'll just be...

00:06:06.000 I mean, pretty much confirming a lot of what people have been saying right after January 6th.

00:06:11.000 I don't know if you guys remember, but I mean, obviously this was right after the Summer of Love and everything like that.

00:06:15.000 And a major narrative just from people was, well, Trump supporters don't really move like that.

00:06:20.000 This seems a little bit off.

00:06:21.000 This seems suspicious.

00:06:23.000 It seems as though the more time that's passing by, the more this stuff is just getting exposed every single month.

00:06:29.000 The scary thing, I suppose, is it's trickling in drops at a time.

00:06:34.000 You know, we see videos of some guy saying, like, go, go, go, move, and encouraging people to engage in this stuff.

00:06:39.000 Then we learn that there's more and more police officers who are in on it.

00:06:42.000 The funny thing is, early on, You had that famous video with AOC where she's like, I'm, you know, questioning the cops who may have been involved.

00:06:50.000 Or she said something to that effect after Alex Stein did that big booty Latina thing.

00:06:53.000 She was saying, like, we don't feel safe and stuff.

00:06:55.000 And the point I made was, wow, AOC is claiming it was an inside job.

00:07:01.000 But there's videos of cops opening the doors for people, waving people in, taking selfies with people.

00:07:07.000 So right there, You could argue, yeah, the cops were letting people in.

00:07:11.000 If this was really an insurrection, well, they were police officers letting them in.

00:07:14.000 Now there's a bigger question and increasingly more and more news being added to the mix, which is creating a bigger picture of actually there are people in the crowd encouraging it and making it happen.

00:07:24.000 The reason why I say it's scary is that it's coming out only in slow droplets to the point where people don't care because it's not a bombshell.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, just drop as many, a thousand stories over the next handful of years.

00:07:36.000 And like you said, not a big bombshell.

00:07:37.000 I think for the general population as well, they don't grab onto the little tiny hints and clues here and there.

00:07:44.000 They really grab onto major bombshells.

00:07:46.000 So if I went out on the street and talked to people about these details that have been coming out, most people don't know about this stuff.

00:07:51.000 They only know about major, major explosions in the media.

00:07:55.000 Assuming that the mainstream media even covers it.

00:07:57.000 And then by the time we're at the general election next year, it will be common knowledge that it was largely a federal operation, and they'll be saying, it was a good thing.

00:08:06.000 Yeah.

00:08:07.000 It saved the election, or helped save the election.

00:08:09.000 Helped save democracy, yeah.

00:08:10.000 First they'll say, first they said it wasn't happening, you're lying.

00:08:13.000 Now we have more information, it was, then they're gonna say, oh well, you're exaggerating, and then by next year it'll be a good thing.

00:08:20.000 That's how the cycle goes, and they'll be like, oh yeah, it happened.

00:08:21.000 Yeah, and it was a really good thing that it did, because they caught those evil people, for sure.

00:08:25.000 Yeah, they prevented a siege by letting them inside and capturing them on the inside, is probably the argument they'll make.

00:08:32.000 What would have happened if they tried to block them?

00:08:33.000 I mean, it would have been real, maybe they would have burned it down, you know?

00:08:35.000 So by opening the door, oh yeah, and encouraging them to do it was to find out who was really going to be a seditionist and etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

00:08:44.000 I was thinking a lot about these these protesters last night and like they were addressing grievances.

00:08:48.000 They didn't believe the election was fair and they were trying to stand their ground and take space to prevent the signing of basically the of Biden of the election.

00:08:59.000 They were like of you know whatever they were signing off and making it valid.

00:09:02.000 They were like no we're gonna stay here so you can't.

00:09:04.000 They weren't like attacking people or choking people.

00:09:08.000 Ashley Babbitt got shot because she went a little too far I think.

00:09:10.000 She's climbing up and over the barricade going into the inner chambers Got shot.

00:09:15.000 I understand why I don't like it, but they were like just taking up space right not to mention that had been done all over the place for the last however many hundreds of days like we watched in the summer of love so they're like well, I mean Why can't we do this as well?

00:09:31.000 Well, they even try to sell it as an armed insurrection.

00:09:34.000 Like, they will go that far.

00:09:36.000 I talk to people about this all the time.

00:09:37.000 And they will go that far to be like, oh, well, some guy across the parking lot

00:09:40.000 was caught with a firearm on his person or something like that.

00:09:43.000 Therefore, now they can say it's an armed insurrection.

00:09:45.000 Like, I was there, man.

00:09:46.000 I was reporting on the thing.

00:09:48.000 I was there.

00:09:49.000 Not inside.

00:09:50.000 But I saw a lot of people.

00:09:51.000 And it's like, it was nothing like any right you've ever seen.

00:09:54.000 It was, OK, some people misbehaving over here.

00:09:56.000 You look to your right, and it's like 15 grandmas I think there was there's a photo of a guy who's on the stairs and he's got a gun on him.

00:10:04.000 Was he a fed?

00:10:05.000 Now I'm starting to wonder.

00:10:06.000 This is exactly the point.

00:10:07.000 Well there's tens of thousands of people there.

00:10:10.000 So here's the issue is that I remember seeing these photos circulate, mainly among the left.

00:10:14.000 A lot of people on the right didn't know this.

00:10:15.000 Even I was wrong about this early on when I was like, there were no guns.

00:10:17.000 What are you talking about?

00:10:17.000 How could you have a gun in D.C.?

00:10:19.000 Yeah, there was.

00:10:19.000 They found a couple.

00:10:20.000 And they did.

00:10:21.000 And now that we're learning that there were law enforcement there, it's like, oh, now that kind of explains it doesn't.

00:10:25.000 Right.

00:10:26.000 Like, where were those guys?

00:10:28.000 Because the question is, how do you get a firearm onto these, into the city, onto these grounds with heightened security and stuff like that?

00:10:35.000 How did they not spot this or find it?

00:10:36.000 It's entirely possible.

00:10:37.000 I'm not saying that they were law enforcement.

00:10:39.000 It's entirely possible some guy did bring a gun.

00:10:42.000 You can walk in, you can find ways to bypass security.

00:10:45.000 Or it could just be that the photo they found of that guy was... Because I don't think that guy's been charged either.

00:10:50.000 Well, and that's where it's like, okay, you raise a very reasonable question.

00:10:53.000 Your question is, who is that?

00:10:55.000 And even that gets criticized.

00:10:57.000 It's, oh, stop that.

00:10:58.000 Stop.

00:10:58.000 You're a conspiracy theorist.

00:11:00.000 Don't have this conversation.

00:11:01.000 Don't get more specific.

00:11:02.000 Don't show more footage.

00:11:03.000 Don't educate people.

00:11:04.000 I should clear it up, too.

00:11:05.000 They weren't all, I don't think they were all just standing there taking up space.

00:11:08.000 Some of them were getting violent, pushing cops, pushing, breaking things.

00:11:11.000 You're right.

00:11:11.000 Yeah.

00:11:12.000 So those people, I think, deserve to be punished for what they did.

00:11:15.000 Not for anything more.

00:11:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:11:16.000 I mean, you can't just fight police and just get away with it unless you're a BLM protester.

00:11:21.000 Or Antifa.

00:11:22.000 Considering the previous year, it's not that much to ask to say, you know, at least treat people fairly, but the same way that they treated the other protesters in D.C.

00:11:33.000 six months earlier.

00:11:34.000 This is the point that Carter was making.

00:11:35.000 You have the Summer of Love protests and riots in front of the White House, setting fire to St.

00:11:39.000 John's Church, forcing the president to a bunker, and Half the people on January 6th were nowhere near that level.

00:11:47.000 For sure.

00:11:47.000 They injured Secret Service as well.

00:11:50.000 They destroyed multiple patrol vehicles.

00:11:52.000 Like a hundred or so in Secret Service were injured.

00:11:55.000 A guard post was set on fire and burned down.

00:11:57.000 Right outside the White House.

00:11:57.000 The barricades were torn down.

00:11:59.000 The president was forced into a bunker.

00:12:01.000 And so you get people who are marching peacefully to the Capitol, and first, I always preface it on one side, violence.

00:12:08.000 Very, very bad riding.

00:12:09.000 Yep, arrest those people.

00:12:10.000 And then on the other side, you had the cops open the doors and say, don't don't don't agree with it, but respect it and fan people into the point where there have been acquittals because there's video of the cops going like this and waving people in.

00:12:21.000 So you're a guy watching Trump speak and then someone says, hey, let's all go march down to the Capitol.

00:12:26.000 And Trump says we're going to go peacefully, you know, watch politicians.

00:12:30.000 You walk over, you see a building, you see the cops waving people in, you walk in and they're like, you are now going to prison for the next several years without charge or trial because you're an insurrectionist.

00:12:39.000 After you just watched all these videos of the far left trying to burn down a church in front of the White House?

00:12:45.000 Talk about... It's not even hypocrisy or double standard.

00:12:48.000 Who was it who said, Jacob Sobik maybe?

00:12:50.000 It's a three-tiered justice system?

00:12:51.000 Yeah, he did.

00:12:52.000 He said it on this show when he was guest hosting.

00:12:54.000 Ah, there's the protected class, then there's the random run-of-the-mill people they care little about, and the persecuted class.

00:13:01.000 So, if you're a regular person who's walking down the street, you may or may not get a ticket, they're gonna ignore you, it's whatever.

00:13:07.000 If you're a leftist extremist, not only will you be acquitted, like in D.C.

00:13:10.000 when they were rioting during Trump's inauguration, they won a lawsuit and got paid out by tax dollars!

00:13:17.000 And then if you're a Trump supporter, you will bumble around confused, and you'll be in prison for two years.

00:13:21.000 Or if you're even perceived to be a Trump supporter or whatever, like Eric Herrera, he went to prison for... Actually, I'll first say, he was a non-credentialed journalist, went in there with a, you know, camera into the Capitol building, non-violent, nothing violent that he did, and he went to prison for four years.

00:13:42.000 Sentenced to prison for four years, and I think he went in maybe three months ago?

00:13:49.000 Non-violent.

00:13:50.000 You can even check out his case.

00:13:51.000 What was he charged with?

00:13:53.000 So what they got a lot of these people with, and I'm not a total professional on this, but I will say when it comes to the charges, what they were getting people with was obstruction of an official proceeding.

00:14:04.000 That's what they got him on.

00:14:05.000 That is what they were doing.

00:14:06.000 Even though he was there being a journalist literally with a DSLR around his neck.

00:14:11.000 I believe he like went into one of the offices and held up a piece of paper.

00:14:14.000 I'm pretty sure it says that on his case, but he got four years.

00:14:18.000 You can compare that to, I mean, how many BLM or Antifa members can you compare that to from riots that did something 15, 20, 30 times worse that served way less time?

00:14:30.000 That's insane.

00:14:31.000 There are absolutely many leftists who have been criminally charged.

00:14:34.000 They often get ridiculously light sentences.

00:14:37.000 There was just news about people at a Michael Knowles event.

00:14:40.000 Some far leftists who did something with explosives.

00:14:43.000 They've been criminally charged.

00:14:44.000 You have those two lawyers in New York who are giving out firebombs.

00:14:48.000 And what did they get?

00:14:48.000 Like a year?

00:14:49.000 I think they got like maybe two.

00:14:51.000 They definitely got less than Eric.

00:14:52.000 I know that for sure.

00:14:52.000 And we had Matt Brennan on the show.

00:14:54.000 Did they get disbarred?

00:14:56.000 Probably.

00:14:58.000 I would imagine so, but I mean, maybe even not.

00:15:01.000 I would really like to know if they got disbarred.

00:15:04.000 That's a good question.

00:15:04.000 I would imagine.

00:15:05.000 I mean, I would imagine too, but I wouldn't be shocked if we found out they didn't, though.

00:15:09.000 But Matt Brainerd was on the show just a couple days ago and he mentioned that there's a guy, and probably more than one, that is currently in jail without charge or trial two and a half years later.

00:15:18.000 Not charged with anything.

00:15:19.000 So you ask, what did they get these people on?

00:15:21.000 Well, in some cases, nothing.

00:15:23.000 In some cases, these people are just locked up for nothing.

00:15:26.000 Yep.

00:15:26.000 That's crazy.

00:15:27.000 For having the wrong political opinions and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

00:15:29.000 Nonviolent.

00:15:30.000 I actually forgot to mention also, Eric, to add on top of this case, he's actually a registered Democrat as well.

00:15:35.000 Oh, wow.

00:15:36.000 So he's not even that political of a guy.

00:15:38.000 Not even that political.

00:15:39.000 Man.

00:15:39.000 Yeah.

00:15:40.000 Well let's talk about this here multi-tiered justice system with this story from the Daily Mail.

00:15:44.000 Kareem Jean-Pierre snaps at the press for asking if the cocaine belonged to Hunter or the Biden family.

00:15:50.000 Because what was the latest update that it was actually near the Situation Room in like a family in like high security area?

00:15:58.000 White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre snapped at a reporter who had asked her to say once and for all that the cocaine found at the White House did not belong to a Biden family member.

00:16:07.000 I just, I love how it's like a Biden family member because everybody knows.

00:16:11.000 You're not allowed to say his name.

00:16:13.000 The mainstream, the media and all the reporters, they're not allowed to say his name, basically.

00:16:17.000 You know, there's been some irresponsible reporting with the family, and so I've got to call that out here, the press secretary said, and I have been very clear.

00:16:24.000 I was clear two days ago when talking about this over and over again as I was being asked the question.

00:16:28.000 As you know, the media outlets reported this.

00:16:29.000 The Biden family was not here.

00:16:31.000 They were not here.

00:16:32.000 They were at Camp David.

00:16:33.000 They were not here Friday.

00:16:34.000 They were not here Saturday.

00:16:34.000 They were not here Sunday.

00:16:36.000 They were not even here Monday.

00:16:37.000 They came back out here on Tuesday.

00:16:39.000 It's remarkable because, like, Kareem, They weren't there on Friday?

00:16:44.000 Were they there on Thursday?

00:16:46.000 Oh, and if they were, could Hunter have dropped his cocaine then?

00:16:52.000 Well, okay.

00:16:53.000 Yeah.

00:16:53.000 Well, I think them just not being transparent about it or her not talking to Secret Service or anything like that to actually have some decent answers for the reporters.

00:17:01.000 I do love that we're at the point where no one believes them.

00:17:04.000 I know.

00:17:05.000 The reporters are just like, come on.

00:17:07.000 Like, come on!

00:17:08.000 You know?

00:17:09.000 Hunter Biden's a crackhead.

00:17:10.000 What do you expect us to believe?

00:17:11.000 But in terms of- They could be Jills.

00:17:13.000 We have no clue.

00:17:14.000 But let's just- It could be a Biden family member.

00:17:15.000 I don't know.

00:17:16.000 For sure.

00:17:17.000 And maybe not.

00:17:17.000 Maybe some senior official, someone connected.

00:17:19.000 But let's just pause and break down January 6th.

00:17:23.000 Bumbling guy walks through doors opened for him by police, takes selfie with cops, adheres to the velvet ropes as he walks around smiling.

00:17:31.000 The police then say, everyone's gotta go, and they go, okay, and they wave and leave.

00:17:34.000 Two years in prison.

00:17:36.000 Someone, at a high level of government, bringing illicit drugs into the White House.

00:17:42.000 Ah, we can't figure this one out, sorry everybody, have a nice day.

00:17:44.000 How about this?

00:17:45.000 Whoever planted the pipe bombs.

00:17:47.000 Can't figure that one out either?

00:17:48.000 Yeah, multi-tiered justice system.

00:17:52.000 I was, this is a bit anecdotal, but I watched that video of Hunter on stage with Jill and Joe from the July 4th celebration where Hunter's look all, he looks all like tweaking pretty hard for like a couple seconds, and then he goes behind Jill and I'm watching Joe's, maybe we can pull this video up, watch Joe, he smiles real tense like, and Jill looks so just mortified right when Hunter's behind her, looks like he's snorting coke off his wrist or something or out of a vial, and Joe, like when his arm goes up is when Joe goes like, Like, really awkward smile, and Jill gets real annoyed.

00:18:25.000 Like, oh god, she can't stand that guy, Hunter.

00:18:27.000 It's just so obvious.

00:18:28.000 I think she's said it plaintively in the past that she... I don't know, to be honest.

00:18:31.000 I don't have the documentation here, but... Do you guys remember that South Park episode?

00:18:35.000 I think it was from the 2008 election with McCain and Obama.

00:18:37.000 Probably.

00:18:38.000 And it's like, the whole purpose of running for president was a diamond heist to, like, raid.

00:18:43.000 Oh yeah!

00:18:44.000 Yeah, and they're like, boom, baby!

00:18:45.000 It's like... Yes.

00:18:46.000 I think it would just be a really great short film where it's like the Biden family.

00:18:50.000 You make a show, people think it's like Veep, but Veep is silly.

00:18:53.000 But the Biden family is more like degenerate.

00:18:57.000 What's that one show?

00:18:58.000 House of Cards?

00:18:59.000 No, the family in Chicago.

00:19:02.000 Shameless?

00:19:03.000 Yeah, just like a bunch of degenerates.

00:19:06.000 Yeah.

00:19:07.000 You call it shameless in the White House.

00:19:09.000 I didn't see that one, but South Park's been doing a pretty good job, especially on the trans stuff, they did a pretty good job on.

00:19:14.000 Dude, they've been early on all of them too, man.

00:19:17.000 Right, right.

00:19:17.000 Competing with the Simpsons on some of this stuff.

00:19:19.000 Well, the Simpsons are woke.

00:19:21.000 I meant predict like for the predicting of like the future.

00:19:24.000 Well, no, I just mean like the Simpsons predicting things ended 20 years ago

00:19:29.000 Right, you know South Park Still like they've been like five years ahead of the curve,

00:19:33.000 right? It's crazy Are they predicting it or are they giving it a green light?

00:19:36.000 I don't think they're giving it a green light No, I think I think what happens with uh

00:19:40.000 You know if you watch a show like black mirror Not so much this latest season because it's more of a

00:19:45.000 horror series at this point than a sci-fi series But it's just a thought experiment. It's a

00:19:49.000 It's a hypothetical, like, what happens if X continues?

00:19:54.000 So when we're looking at government, like, you just ask yourself a logical question.

00:19:58.000 If Hunter Biden is a crackhead, I'm sure a lot of people could have easily predicted we'll eventually find drugs in the White House.

00:20:05.000 Hey, it happened!

00:20:06.000 Now we're supposed to believe it was not Hunter?

00:20:09.000 He's the notorious famous drug user.

00:20:11.000 So look, maybe, maybe it's only a 5% chance it was Hunter.

00:20:15.000 Eh.

00:20:16.000 He still has the dominant plurality of probability.

00:20:20.000 The narrative is already set either way.

00:20:23.000 It doesn't really matter if Hunter did have it or not, because it's not likely that there's going to be any kind of significant investigation.

00:20:29.000 The people on the right have already made up their mind that it was Hunter.

00:20:32.000 They're going to say it was Hunter and meme the hell out of it, even if it's regardless.

00:20:35.000 Kind of sucks it awards him at this point, because he's getting blamed for it anyway.

00:20:39.000 Right.

00:20:39.000 I mean, he's already, but look, there's video of him smoking crack on his way to Las Vegas driving a 100 no no

00:20:46.000 was it the same one where he was driving 172 miles an hour?

00:20:49.000 I think he was I mean I heard the crack in the car was different than the driving 172 but

00:20:52.000 does it matter?

00:20:54.000 but the point the point I'm making is it doesn't matter because he was going to

00:20:57.000 Vegas to bang hookers he definitely smoked a bunch of crack

00:21:01.000 He's definitely had coke.

00:21:03.000 So, like, was it his?

00:21:05.000 Was it not his?

00:21:06.000 Who cares?

00:21:07.000 He definitely bangs hookers, smokes crack, and drives home.

00:21:11.000 It doesn't matter if it was his.

00:21:13.000 That is such a good point, though.

00:21:14.000 I think most of the American people probably just draw that conclusion anyways.

00:21:17.000 It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point.

00:21:19.000 They just say, okay, well, cocaine.

00:21:21.000 Yeah.

00:21:22.000 Hunter Biden.

00:21:22.000 There you go.

00:21:23.000 He still does all that!

00:21:24.000 Right, it just draws attention to that.

00:21:27.000 Here's the thing about Hunter Biden.

00:21:28.000 We're all people who try to be, to a certain degree, virtuous, and we're like, how dare he drive at such a high rate of smoking crack!

00:21:36.000 But there are people who do nothing but party and club, and they're like, whoa.

00:21:40.000 Like, he's cool.

00:21:41.000 I don't want people to think that I'm saying that I'm virtuous.

00:21:44.000 I don't want that kind of responsibility.

00:21:47.000 I've been in a band for too long, I have a history, no.

00:21:49.000 If you go to like the average person at a club on a Friday or Saturday night, and you're like, let me tell you a story about this guy who drives like 170 miles an hour while smoking crack and banging hookers, they're gonna be like, damn!

00:21:58.000 Like, who's this guy?

00:21:59.000 Sounds like he can party!

00:22:00.000 It's like the president's son, they're gonna go, wow!

00:22:02.000 Is he really going 170?

00:22:03.000 Was that confirmed?

00:22:03.000 I think, I don't know, like, I guess... I think it was in the...

00:22:06.000 Does it matter if it's 140?

00:22:08.000 Was he really going that fast?

00:22:10.000 I mean, the point is, like, 30 miles an hour, does it really matter?

00:22:14.000 No, once you're up over 98, you're pretty much... Well, if you're over 120.

00:22:18.000 I think one of the most extreme differences is watching how the media reported on Trump's children and how intense... I mean, there was an article every single day about this.

00:22:27.000 With Hunter, you don't really... I mean, you don't say his name.

00:22:30.000 Dude, the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:22:31.000 They're even saying a Biden family member.

00:22:34.000 It's like, who's it gonna be, Jill?

00:22:36.000 Right.

00:22:37.000 You know, we know what you're saying.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 But nobody's saying his name.

00:22:39.000 Nobody talks about him.

00:22:40.000 Yeah, here's a photo.

00:22:41.000 It's August 1st.

00:22:42.000 Dr. Boogersugar.

00:22:43.000 August 1st, 2018, purports to show Hunter Biden speeding to a Las Vegas orgy.

00:22:50.000 So is this video taken by him, too?

00:22:53.000 I guess.

00:22:54.000 So I tell you what, NBC, you're right.

00:22:56.000 Maybe it's not his cocaine in the White House.

00:23:00.000 All the other stuff.

00:23:01.000 But no, but to be fair for even this, like, it's a photo from his laptop.

00:23:04.000 Most likely was him.

00:23:05.000 But who knows?

00:23:06.000 Maybe it was Devin Archer or somebody, somebody he worked with.

00:23:08.000 Maybe it was Joe himself.

00:23:10.000 You know, they shared phone numbers or emails or something like that, didn't they?

00:23:12.000 And, you know, look, there's a lot of highways out there heading to Vegas where there's nothing around and there's no speed limit, so technically he might not be actually breaking the law, because it goes by like, are you driving unsafely?

00:23:23.000 No, he had cracked.

00:23:24.000 No, he's definitely breaking the law.

00:23:26.000 I'll stop with that one.

00:23:27.000 Retraction.

00:23:28.000 In Hunter's 2021 memoir, Beautiful Things, he admitted to crashing a Buick Verano while speeding through Palm Springs during another drug bender in October 2016.

00:23:36.000 Wait.

00:23:37.000 Man, don't speed through Palm Springs.

00:23:39.000 In the book, Hunter wrote that he was high for 12 consecutive days before entering an Arizona rehab.

00:23:44.000 What the hell?

00:23:45.000 I mean, I, you know, a part of me, obviously it's unfortunate seeing people struggle with

00:23:52.000 addiction and all that stuff, but also at the same time, you have the Biden family that

00:23:56.000 basically, I mean, if anything, they can pull this off, I would say worse than let's say

00:24:00.000 this was the case for Trump or something.

00:24:02.000 I mean, they sell themselves as the adults are back in charge.

00:24:04.000 They're all responsible, good.

00:24:08.000 Everybody says how good of a parent he is, you know?

00:24:11.000 Who, Hunter Biden?

00:24:12.000 Joe Biden.

00:24:13.000 You know, they sell him like this good, good, good guy.

00:24:16.000 Yeah.

00:24:18.000 That's just marketing.

00:24:18.000 Blue Collar, Philly Joe, whatever.

00:24:20.000 Right, right.

00:24:21.000 Just one of the boys.

00:24:22.000 Joe Scranton.

00:24:23.000 Right, and this is just... Hairy legs.

00:24:25.000 It's not a good look.

00:24:26.000 I got compassion for the drug addict.

00:24:28.000 Right, that's for sure.

00:24:28.000 I often do, but at the same time, if my military commander has a drug problem, I want him taken out of power.

00:24:33.000 I want somebody else in command.

00:24:34.000 And if the military commander has a son with a drug problem and brings him around to the military command spot, which is the White House, that's a big problem for me.

00:24:41.000 Or get some really, really high-paying jobs as well and prestigious positions.

00:24:45.000 Or that drug-addicted son is sending text messages saying, you better do it or else I'm going to tell my dad who's going to hold it against you.

00:24:51.000 Who's sitting right next to me right now.

00:24:52.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:24:54.000 Can we make a show?

00:24:55.000 Can someone finance a Game of Thrones style show called The Bidens?

00:24:59.000 Because it would be a great TV show.

00:25:00.000 I mean, you could probably get, if you didn't actually call it The Bidens, you might be able to get something like that.

00:25:05.000 That's true.

00:25:06.000 The West Wing was a show, you know.

00:25:08.000 House of Cards.

00:25:09.000 Drama Cells.

00:25:10.000 Show Pitch.

00:25:11.000 Okay?

00:25:11.000 I'm talking like two million dollars per episode.

00:25:13.000 Budget, big deal.

00:25:15.000 HBO, I hope you're listening.

00:25:16.000 It's about a political family.

00:25:20.000 They cheat in an election to win by having, you know, people go in late hours and swap out boxes and stuff like that.

00:25:27.000 Then once they get in, they start doing shady business deals to enrich themselves.

00:25:31.000 Think about it.

00:25:32.000 It's Game of Thrones in the modern era.

00:25:33.000 It writes itself!

00:25:35.000 And?

00:25:35.000 There you go.

00:25:36.000 Dragons.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, just throw dragons in there.

00:25:38.000 Okay, okay.

00:25:39.000 Might as well.

00:25:40.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:25:41.000 Now we're talking.

00:25:42.000 But not dragons, but- Nuclear submarines, I meant.

00:25:44.000 Chasing the dragon.

00:25:45.000 He's talking about heroines.

00:25:46.000 Chasing the dragon.

00:25:47.000 No, no, no.

00:25:48.000 That's the name of the show, Chasing the Dragon.

00:25:49.000 Just literally shot for shot remake Game of Thrones, but in a modern context, and the

00:25:51.000 dragons would just be like warships and stuff.

00:25:53.000 Dragons are just A-10s, brrrr, instead of fires, brrrr.

00:25:58.000 Chasing the dragons, and it's a war movie, kind of, but it's about a corrupt political

00:26:01.000 establishment that's entangled in some crazy war, and drones that get hacked, that end

00:26:06.000 up getting turned around on the homeland or something.

00:26:07.000 That'd be wild.

00:26:08.000 And then what you gotta do is you gotta have the guy who becomes president is this decrepit,

00:26:13.000 degenerate, Alzheimer's.

00:26:16.000 out of shape and disgusting, and then his rival who gets cheated has to be this, like, tall, chiseled, and muscular blonde man who sells real estate.

00:26:25.000 Spies ice cream for people.

00:26:29.000 Every season they find a way to make the, you know, the leader just collapse on the ground in some creative way as well.

00:26:37.000 Yes.

00:26:37.000 Just every season.

00:26:39.000 He's on one of those, like, floor things that move.

00:26:40.000 You don't know if he's going to be in the next season, but he is.

00:26:43.000 I want to play the Hunter Biden character in that.

00:26:46.000 I think I could pull it off.

00:26:47.000 It'd be like Jared Leto in whatever movies he does where he's like all strung out or memento.

00:26:51.000 I think that movie was pretty good.

00:26:53.000 Are you looking to do like method acting?

00:26:57.000 You'd make a great crack head.

00:27:00.000 So let's strung.

00:27:02.000 Let's talk about what it means to be the left in this country.

00:27:04.000 Ladies and gentlemen, from CNN, Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez supports Biden's re-election bid.

00:27:11.000 Congratulations.

00:27:12.000 AOC is an establishment shill.

00:27:14.000 That's what you get.

00:27:16.000 And, uh, of course, she's gonna preface this a little bit with, like, no, I'm saying, like, hypothetically, I would if, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:22.000 This is what, this is how politics goes.

00:27:24.000 AOC is this young upstart who's challenging the machine, and is a real leftist, and as soon as she gets into office, she starts ponying up to the establishment.

00:27:34.000 You see that video where, like, she changes her vote, or something like that, you know, it's been a while since I, like, Pelosi yells at her, and then her vote changes or something, I don't remember exactly.

00:27:41.000 But here's the story, because we want to make sure the context is clear.

00:27:45.000 Democratic Rep AOC said Thursday that she will support President Joe Biden's re-election bid, given the challenges he currently faces in the primary.

00:27:52.000 Author Marian Williamson, an environmental lawyer, and anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy have launched campaigns.

00:27:58.000 When asked on the Pod Save America podcast whether she would back Biden, she said, I believe given that field, yes.

00:28:05.000 Amazing.

00:28:06.000 There's your leftist.

00:28:08.000 There's your new up-and-coming progressive.

00:28:11.000 I guarantee you, in a few years, she's gonna start moving up.

00:28:15.000 People have talked about maybe she'll run for Senate.

00:28:16.000 She's got millions of followers.

00:28:18.000 She is going to be as establishment as establishment can be.

00:28:22.000 She'll be coming out being like, stop insulting my banker friends!

00:28:26.000 The people who run the Federal Reserve are good people trying to make America- She's gonna be like Elizabeth Warren.

00:28:31.000 She's gonna just say whatever she's gonna say, so the press says something positive, and then she tricks people into voting for her.

00:28:36.000 She's already basically there, congratulations.

00:28:38.000 She's also super valuable to the political elite.

00:28:42.000 Like, when it comes to the establishment, her reach is insane.

00:28:45.000 She's incredibly inspirational to a lot of young, left-wing women.

00:28:49.000 I mean, her audience is ridiculous.

00:28:50.000 I don't know, partially, you can probably blame a part of the right for doing that.

00:28:54.000 But she's really, really valuable for them, so naturally I think that direction, they would give her as much power as she needs and all that stuff because they want her a part of the establishment.

00:29:04.000 She's their actual Pied Piper in that she's playing that little flute and dancing all the progressives right into the hands of the neoliberal establishment.

00:29:11.000 Right.

00:29:12.000 You know, it's an interesting question, because when AOC first won her primary back in, I think it was like 2018, I thought it was a good thing.

00:29:17.000 I was like, good!

00:29:18.000 Get these establishment Democrat shills out.

00:29:20.000 Crowley was a prominent, like, fourth in line in the Democratic Party or whatever.

00:29:24.000 She gets rid of him, she takes over, and I said, she may be, you know, a leftist or whatever, but I'll take a left populist over a corporatist neolib shill and warmonger.

00:29:34.000 And what does she turn out to be?

00:29:36.000 All that and worse!

00:29:37.000 Term limits.

00:29:38.000 There's a problem as they go in there and get co-opted.

00:29:40.000 I don't even blame her, I blame the system itself.

00:29:42.000 We need term limits because she should be two and out.

00:29:44.000 But you know what it is?

00:29:46.000 AOC has nothing going for her.

00:29:48.000 Does she have merit?

00:29:49.000 Does she have talent and ability?

00:29:51.000 To a certain degree, the answer is yes, but would she be anything other than a bartender if she did not get elected?

00:29:57.000 What we see with so many members of Congress and politicians is that they don't have the merit to do anything other than win the beauty pageant.

00:30:04.000 And once they do, they're terrified.

00:30:06.000 Look, if I don't win my re-election, what happens next?

00:30:10.000 Where's Madison Cawthorn?

00:30:12.000 He's in the news every day, he's got something going for him, he loses the primary, and now he's no longer relevant.

00:30:18.000 So if you're someone who wants to matter, And you don't have the ability?

00:30:25.000 Politics is your game.

00:30:26.000 And then what happens is they get in and they're like, okay, I can't lose this.

00:30:30.000 Nancy Pelosi probably goes to AOC and says, we will do everything in our power to make sure you lose unless you play ball.

00:30:37.000 Do you want to be the up-and-coming young star of the Democratic Party?

00:30:40.000 Or do you want to go back to the bar?

00:30:42.000 And she's like, please, Nancy, I'll do anything you say.

00:30:45.000 And here you go.

00:30:46.000 I know Matt Gaetz.

00:30:47.000 I don't know if they're friends or whatever, but he's mentioned to us that he would enjoy having her come on the show with him at some point and have a debate.

00:30:56.000 Oh, come on.

00:30:56.000 DeSantis' people won't even come on this show.

00:30:57.000 She actually mentioned Ilhan Omar specifically multiple times.

00:31:00.000 I remember that.

00:31:01.000 So they have a bond of some sort, probably because they're young and in Congress.

00:31:05.000 They're like all this Freedom Caucus.

00:31:07.000 They've worked together a little bit as well.

00:31:10.000 I would be shocked if she actually said yes.

00:31:13.000 I would be really happy about it.

00:31:15.000 I'm just thinking of ways to head it off at the pass before 20 years go by and she is fully establishment, scary, like mob mentality.

00:31:22.000 She endorsed Biden a year and a half out.

00:31:23.000 Come on.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, but with a caveat that at this stage with those two people that he's running against, I would.

00:31:30.000 What's her opposition to RFK?

00:31:31.000 I don't know.

00:31:32.000 Well, that's how you know that they're full of it.

00:31:34.000 If Newsom does announce two, she would go Newsom, for sure.

00:31:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:39.000 The thing about RFK is, yeah, I disagree with him on a lot of things, but he's more populist, he's speaking to the people, and so it's like, oh, okay, I get it.

00:31:49.000 For her to be like, oh man, I'd rather have Biden.

00:31:51.000 Are you kidding?

00:31:52.000 You'd rather have Biden?

00:31:53.000 Come on.

00:31:54.000 Warmonger?

00:31:55.000 Establishment?

00:31:56.000 Come on, man.

00:31:57.000 I would take Marianne Williamson over both of them, to be completely honest.

00:32:00.000 I think she's very nice.

00:32:02.000 She'd be a good guest.

00:32:03.000 She's cool.

00:32:03.000 We've invited her several times.

00:32:04.000 She's actually very, very nice.

00:32:06.000 I have a lot of respect for her.

00:32:07.000 I feel so bad for how the media mistreats her and how people make fun of her.

00:32:11.000 That's unfair.

00:32:12.000 She may be wrong about things, as most people are, but she seems to be a genuine, nice person who really does want to make a difference.

00:32:18.000 I think we would all benefit from having that conversation with her.

00:32:20.000 And she set the record straight about crystals.

00:32:22.000 She doesn't actually own crystals.

00:32:24.000 Well, I do.

00:32:25.000 But this is how they play.

00:32:25.000 Look, they called her in the media the crystal woo-woo lady, and it was so sad to see her be like, I don't understand.

00:32:32.000 I don't own any crystals.

00:32:33.000 I've never done anything with this.

00:32:34.000 Why are they saying that about me?

00:32:35.000 It's like, welcome to the political arena.

00:32:38.000 Now, Marianne, I'm a fan.

00:32:41.000 Everything bad they said about you, now think about what you think of Donald Trump.

00:32:46.000 Welcome to the same game.

00:32:47.000 Donald Trump is far from perfect, and we know he said some nasty things, but when they come at you and they say you're the crystal woo-woo lady, think about what they call Donald Trump and how it's not real.

00:32:56.000 And then people come out and they're like, but a court found that he was responsible for a rape 30 years ago, and it's like, dude, spare me.

00:33:02.000 Your ultra-liberal New York district ruling that a 30-year-old case with no evidence, it makes him responsible.

00:33:09.000 It's just, these are, it's political nonsense.

00:33:12.000 Yeah.

00:33:12.000 That's the name of the game.

00:33:13.000 Yeah, it's always interesting seeing people actually wake up.

00:33:15.000 Usually, I mean, I don't know if they fully get out of it, but her seeing how she was treated by the media and just

00:33:22.000 kind of putting that, or if she was on the show, definitely putting that into

00:33:25.000 perspective with her to say, look at what we're dealing with.

00:33:28.000 You dealt with that for just a brief moment.

00:33:30.000 We deal with that, The Right deals with that every day, right?

00:33:33.000 This unfair treatment from the massive media machine.

00:33:37.000 Tulsi Gabbard's another one that had that big time.

00:33:40.000 Which is the slash in the face of like, what am I up against?

00:33:43.000 Totally woke up.

00:33:44.000 When she called out Kamala Harris and basically tanked her opportunity to become president if she ever even had one.

00:33:48.000 No, but it was before that.

00:33:49.000 It was Bernie.

00:33:51.000 Yeah, yeah, they called her a Russian asset.

00:33:53.000 She's like a colonel in the military.

00:33:56.000 They viewed her as an up-and-coming young star for the Democratic Party, and then when it came to Bernie vs. Hillary, she said Bernie, and they were like, you've just ended your career.

00:34:03.000 And now she's like an entertainer, basically.

00:34:06.000 Remember how she called out Clinton, Hillary Clinton?

00:34:08.000 She called her the ultimate warmonger, the queen of warmongers.

00:34:13.000 Just absolutely something or worse than that, right?

00:34:16.000 Yeah, it was it was really she excoriated her I don't I don't have the actual quote right in front, but she absolutely excoriated her it was one of the most Brilliant political one of the most brave political things that I've ever seen anyone do someone actually running on the Democrat tick ticket calling Hillary Clinton a It was Queen of Warmongers.

00:34:34.000 Yeah, Queen of Warmongers.

00:34:36.000 Literally, just tearing her apart.

00:34:38.000 And after that, when I saw that, I was like, look, she got terrible takes on the two-way, but I'd back her if she's going after Clinton, you know?

00:34:45.000 See, this is what I like, right?

00:34:47.000 We did the Culture War show today and we had Stephen Bonnell.

00:34:51.000 Is it Bonnell?

00:34:52.000 Bonnell.

00:34:53.000 Destiny.

00:34:53.000 He's a liberal guy.

00:34:55.000 Even after the show, we were hanging out and we were having disagreements.

00:34:58.000 But Destiny is an honest guy.

00:35:01.000 He could be wrong about something sometimes.

00:35:02.000 We all are.

00:35:03.000 But I know that if we come and have a conversation, he's actually going to try and make a point that he thinks is true and honestly assess what we are saying to him.

00:35:12.000 Then you have the actual cultural left.

00:35:14.000 Which is people like AOC, who will just lie, cheat, and steal for political power.

00:35:20.000 You have people like Tulsi Gabbard, who was being honest in what her views were, and probably wrong on some things, same as most people are, but was being honest to you on why she thought those things and was genuinely listening to you.

00:35:31.000 It's almost like the culture war factions, we always try to define what they are, but I can tell you one characteristic at the very least is, if you hold leftist political opinions, but tell the truth, you're right-wing.

00:35:42.000 Plain and simple.

00:35:43.000 That's how it goes.

00:35:44.000 I was actually talking with Destiny about it.

00:35:46.000 He said it was funny that, you know, when we do these shows with leftists, they make the assumption of what my political opinions are because in their world, if you don't follow their narrative, you're right wing.

00:35:56.000 So they'll say things like I'm pro-life or something like that, which is like, I'm like, none of these, like these things are not true.

00:36:01.000 You don't know what my opinions actually are.

00:36:04.000 These people make things up.

00:36:06.000 I mean, come on, like what it would take to endorse someone like Biden?

00:36:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:12.000 And for that matter, I'm seeing a lot of that with the DeSantis people as well.

00:36:16.000 I have a conversation with people who support Trump, and some people are fervently culty for Trump, and it is kind of creepy.

00:36:23.000 But most of the prominent Trump people will absolutely concede Trump's faults because it is the authentic and appropriate way to approach the conversation.

00:36:31.000 Hey, you don't like this thing about Trump?

00:36:32.000 Let me talk to you and maybe convince you that there's still some net positives here.

00:36:36.000 The DeSantis people.

00:36:38.000 It's like, they're just identical to Democrats.

00:36:40.000 No matter what DeSantis does, he is infallible, he is unimpeachable.

00:36:46.000 So DeSantis makes a mistake, and they will say it was actually a good thing.

00:36:49.000 I wonder if the people, you're talking about when you say the DeSantis people, you mean like people that are followers?

00:36:54.000 People in his campaign.

00:36:55.000 Hardcore followers on Twitter, maybe.

00:36:57.000 I wonder if what they're doing is, it's like an AI or a foreign agent sowing dissent between DeSantis and you, because you have a show and a voice, so if they see some contention, they're gonna be like, ooh, I'm gonna make Tim angry, and be like, DeSantis is great, you moron, and then you think that it's DeSantis somehow connected with that.

00:37:15.000 It is.

00:37:15.000 Insane response.

00:37:16.000 Well, there's no way to know.

00:37:17.000 I do, because they have verification badges and profiles that say, working for the DeSantis campaign.

00:37:23.000 Those then, maybe.

00:37:24.000 That's who I'm talking about.

00:37:25.000 That seems like a pretty big giveaway.

00:37:27.000 Right.

00:37:28.000 And so, when I say something semi-innocuous, like, wow, I can't believe this thing happened, and they start just attacking me on Twitter, I'm like, why are you attacking me?

00:37:38.000 And so, you get the point.

00:37:41.000 It really does feel like they are very much like Acting as Democrats do towards Trump.

00:37:47.000 It seems to me like they have like a book of rules that they've written out and studied, but they don't really get the nuances of why the rules work, but they're just following them all, expecting them to be, you know, to make them cool in that way.

00:38:00.000 It's just like, we all see it's not working.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, it's like a, it's a list.

00:38:05.000 Right.

00:38:05.000 You gotta check every single box.

00:38:07.000 Right.

00:38:07.000 And if you differ, such as Destiny, who probably differs a lot from a lot of people on the left, you're kicked out of that cult.

00:38:14.000 When it comes to the extreme left wing, if you differ at all, you're completely out.

00:38:19.000 You know, Tim, I was talking to one of your viewers the other day.

00:38:23.000 I just ran into him in the street.

00:38:26.000 Libertarian kind of guy.

00:38:27.000 You know, disagrees with people on the right, disagrees with people on the left, but he was talking to leftist protesters, gender, you know, cult protesters, and he was just saying, he was asking them some basic questions, and he might agree with them on some stuff, but they were just calling him a fascist and telling him to get the hell out of there, even though he might have agreed on some things.

00:38:42.000 Oh yeah, because it's a cult.

00:38:44.000 Yeah.

00:38:44.000 Let me, let me, I want to pull this up from Predict It, and we'll talk about Ron DeSantis.

00:38:48.000 Ron DeSantis' polls have been on the decline, and his shares in the prediction market have declined around 30-plus percent over the past 30 days.

00:38:57.000 I believe that Ron DeSantis is an excellent political leader in many, many ways, and what we've been seeing over the past 30 days has been very, very bad for him, which requires a course correction.

00:39:09.000 I'm a fan.

00:39:10.000 I'm a fan.

00:39:10.000 But his campaign's failures and the people who surround him have been so bad, I question whether or not he's actually fit.

00:39:18.000 Let me show you this from Predict It and we'll talk about what's going on with us and DeSantis and the desire, I guess, from DeSantis supporters for there to be drama and for DeSantis to lose support.

00:39:28.000 So over at Predict It, you can take a look at basically how this works is you can buy a share of a candidate, they're called contracts, and who you think is going to win.

00:39:35.000 Donald Trump is at $0.56.

00:39:37.000 That means if you buy Yes, and he becomes the nominee, that share is worth $1, so you'll make, you know, $0.44.

00:39:42.000 Ron DeSantis is at $0.23, and he's declined quite a bit.

00:39:47.000 When you take a look at the 30-day chart here for DeSantis, he was actually, he peaked on June 9th at $0.35, and he's dropped down now to $0.22.

00:39:56.000 So it is going down.

00:39:57.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is popping up.

00:39:59.000 This is the example I want to give.

00:40:01.000 To say this to the DeSantis campaign, you guys need to listen to the criticism and course correct.

00:40:06.000 Because right now what I see is DeSantis supporters are so fervent and they're behaving very much like Democrats to the point that if Ron DeSantis makes a mistake and everyone surrounding him just says he's right no matter what, he will lose support and that is what's happening.

00:40:21.000 Which brings me to the story that happened just a few hours ago.

00:40:25.000 Let's talk about the Santas campaign.

00:40:27.000 Many of you may be familiar with a video that went viral where chanters in New York were saying, we're coming for your children.

00:40:32.000 Many of you are probably aware, and some of you may not be, that that was filmed by Elad Eliyahu, our field reporter, who was specifically contracted to film for TimCast News.

00:40:42.000 That footage is property copyright owned and licensed out by TimCast News for use.

00:40:48.000 A lot of people have used it without permission, and there are questions about whether or not they should have done that.

00:40:52.000 That ultimately falls to Ilad Eliyahu, who retains the rights for licensing outside of Timcast to certain degrees.

00:41:00.000 We have an arrangement with him.

00:41:01.000 So it's going to come down to whether or not he believes that we have to pursue these things.

00:41:06.000 The Ron DeSantis campaign took the video, nine seconds of it, wrote, paid for by the DeSantis for president, and started texting it out to people.

00:41:17.000 It's not an ad.

00:41:18.000 It's literally just the clip from our Twitter that we published and we own.

00:41:24.000 I did not go to them screaming like... I did speak with people associated with the DeSantis campaign.

00:41:31.000 The first thing I did before any communication happened As I get hit up by a bunch of people saying, did you sell this footage of the status campaign because I'm seeing this thing?

00:41:40.000 And I said, no we didn't.

00:41:42.000 I then have to talk to Elad because we have an arrangement where he gets paid essentially a percentage based on licensing.

00:41:51.000 We want him to make as much money as possible when he produces these things.

00:41:54.000 We want to promote him and support his work so he gets that money, not us.

00:41:59.000 If someone comes to me and says, hey dude, you licen- I'm not saying this is what happened, but this is what y'all need to consider.

00:42:04.000 Someone comes to me and says, hey, I'm supposed to get paid when you license this footage out.

00:42:08.000 This thing says paid for by DeSantis for president.

00:42:10.000 Did you sell that footage and not tell me?

00:42:11.000 Because you'd owe me money if that was the case.

00:42:13.000 I'm more proactive on that.

00:42:14.000 So I said, hey, hey guys, no, like we didn't do this.

00:42:16.000 What do I do?

00:42:17.000 I tweet, we did not license this footage to Ron DeSantis' campaign.

00:42:21.000 All I tweeted.

00:42:22.000 That's it.

00:42:23.000 I did not say, how dare they?

00:42:25.000 They stole from me!

00:42:26.000 Ooh, they owe me all this money!

00:42:27.000 I said, we didn't license it to them.

00:42:28.000 Then people started attacking me, saying, you're stupid, you're a moron, people who write for various conservative websites, high-profile individuals and lawyers with millions of followers, people associated with Ron DeSantis' campaign, saying I was stupid, I was a moron, I was an idiot, that's not how it works, how stupid is Tim Pool, etc., etc.

00:42:42.000 These are not random people, these are high-profile personalities who support DeSantis.

00:42:45.000 And I'm sitting here confused, like, Yo, all I said was we didn't license it to him.

00:42:50.000 And so I tweet again, I'm like, people aren't getting it.

00:42:52.000 They tweeted out our video, just our video, nothing else, saying paid for by DeSantis for President.

00:42:57.000 They're lying.

00:42:58.000 They did not pay for this.

00:43:00.000 And then people start claiming, how dare you?

00:43:02.000 They're saying that they paid for the ad.

00:43:04.000 I'm like, it's not an ad, it's just our video.

00:43:05.000 They're tweeting our video to people and with the tag on it, paid for by DeSantis.

00:43:09.000 There's no context, there's no statement, there's nothing added to it.

00:43:12.000 They wrote, we're coming for your children, which is the quote from the video, with paid for by DeSantis.

00:43:17.000 It doesn't say, this is a commercial for DeSantis for President, we're seeking your approval, here's a clip you should watch.

00:43:21.000 It's literally just our video.

00:43:21.000 Nothing.

00:43:23.000 All I said was, they didn't pay for it.

00:43:27.000 The absurdity and the insanity that I see here is, for one, you tweet at me all day and night about how I'm stupid or whatever, I don't get the point.

00:43:36.000 Do you want me as DeSantis supporters to go onto my show and just insult his campaign?

00:43:41.000 Because all it does is generate hatred and animosity between someone who otherwise should be supporting DeSantis.

00:43:48.000 How about instead of screaming and shrieking like banshees, you simply just say, hey, we're going to reach out to you and, um, you know, what, what, what's your, what is your ask?

00:43:59.000 So I actually reached out immediately after, after, like, I'm getting hit up by people who are like, hey, they're using this footage without, without credit, without attribution.

00:44:06.000 And there's actually, so like we have lawyers, there are questions about whether or not a political campaign can fair use news coverage without attribution.

00:44:14.000 And my understanding is they cannot even, they can't make fair use claims.

00:44:17.000 I didn't attack them.

00:44:18.000 I didn't scream at them.

00:44:19.000 I was like, I was like, hey, look, man, I got people hitting up asking me, like, if we sold this to you, because if we did, I'm going to end up owing money to people.

00:44:25.000 So I don't like that you guys are saying paid for by DeSantis if it's just this clip.

00:44:29.000 And they're like, yeah, no worries, man.

00:44:30.000 Like, we'll sort things out.

00:44:31.000 Totally fine.

00:44:32.000 But these people online, these high profile influencers support DeSantis.

00:44:35.000 It seems like they're trying to burn his campaign to the ground.

00:44:38.000 All they're doing is trying to make, like, it's like you were saying, I guess, Ian, you know, I would agree with you to a certain extent.

00:44:43.000 It's almost like they're Trump supporters pretending to be DeSantis supporters to hurt his campaign.

00:44:49.000 I would, I tweeted that I would ultimately believe it, except some of the people who have been coming at me in the past literally do work for his campaign.

00:44:57.000 So all I can say is that that's where we're at for now, but the bigger picture here outside of the personal context with us is people The fervent zealotry in support of DeSantis is going to sink him.

00:45:09.000 His polls are down, his predicted market stuff is down.

00:45:12.000 Yo, if something happens that makes DeSantis look bad, he needs to be realistic and personable and address it in an honest way, and that's how he wins.

00:45:22.000 But the course that they've taken over the past 30 days shows exactly why the prediction market is showing a decline, exactly why his polls are dropping.

00:45:30.000 Did they at least use a watermark on that?

00:45:32.000 Nope.

00:45:33.000 So, uh... Just cop the footage.

00:45:36.000 There's a lot of questions about it.

00:45:37.000 Some people are like, Tim said he wants everybody to have it the other day and he didn't care.

00:45:41.000 And I'm like, there's a difference between my opinion of this should be seen by everybody, that's why we do it, and I have an arrangement with a contractor who retains rights over that footage outside of what we want the footage to be.

00:45:52.000 That has to be answered for.

00:45:54.000 But even then, I'm like, you know, we're gonna talk with the lot and see how he wants to handle a lot of these things.

00:45:58.000 I'm not here to pick fights with everybody and just insult them.

00:46:00.000 But...

00:46:01.000 There is a legal precedent, my understanding right now, just for clarity's sake for the people who are saying it, when you see political campaigns and it shows like a clip of a news anchor saying a thing, they show the title of the segment or the date and the publication, they have to attribute it when they do these things.

00:46:19.000 And they certainly did not.

00:46:20.000 The other thing people need to consider, so I can explain fair use to you guys, news organizations are largely exempt from claims in this manner.

00:46:30.000 There's varying degrees of arguments on fair use, okay?

00:46:36.000 If you produce a news segment as a news organization for the purpose of monetization and licensing, people can't just take it and use it.

00:46:47.000 However, if it's embedded on Twitter, you can use that embed in your articles, and that's what people do.

00:46:55.000 You cannot download the footage and re-upload it to your organization, and some organizations that we like, conservative ones, have done this, and yes, we have been in discussion of, we're gonna request licensing fees for that.

00:47:06.000 So, you know, it's like, how do we be reasonable people in support of those who would spread around news that we want them to spread, but also make sure that, I'll put it simply, If an independent reporter covered this footage, if Elad was working by himself and did not work for us, he would have made substantially more money.

00:47:24.000 We cannot have a reporter work for us who is, in the end, making less money.

00:47:28.000 It makes no sense.

00:47:30.000 So, as an independent reporter, he has the license to this.

00:47:32.000 He can go to anybody and say, you owe me X, you owe me X, you owe me X, you gotta pay.

00:47:35.000 And he'll get it.

00:47:37.000 As a large organization, we front the costs of the trip so that he reports under our brand.

00:47:41.000 However, For what reason would he have to do that if he's just gonna say, but then I don't make any licensing fees?

00:47:46.000 No, we respond with, we'll let you retain licensing fees and if we license it out, we'll send that your way, but we get effectively the brand recognition.

00:47:54.000 So, the important factor here is, it's not fair use when the footage is produced specifically for the purpose of licensing and for news reporting.

00:48:01.000 There's other arguments about if someone writes an article or references things and you're commenting on it directly, totally understand and agree, and these things have to be adjudicated.

00:48:10.000 A judge will determine whether or not it was fair use or not.

00:48:12.000 Fair use is 100% always copyright infringement.

00:48:16.000 It's just whether or not you'll fall under the exemption.

00:48:19.000 Just to be clear, just my final thoughts on this.

00:48:21.000 I am not saying my demand is that DeSantis should have paid me for this.

00:48:25.000 That is not what I'm saying.

00:48:26.000 That may be Alad's position.

00:48:28.000 All I'm saying is people came to me and asked me if we sold this to them because it says on the video paid for by DeSantis.

00:48:35.000 I understand people are saying political ads reference who it was paid for legally, and they're not saying that video was paid for by him.

00:48:42.000 I am saying it is creating confusion in the marketplace, and so all I did was issue a statement to clarify, as I'm supposed to do, and I'm getting attacked by DeSantis supporters for it.

00:48:52.000 Yeah.

00:48:53.000 And the clarification's incredibly reasonable.

00:48:55.000 I would say probably a lot of the backlash is just people being completely ignorant to the entire process of paying for flights, sending out a reporter, going out there getting it, all this stuff.

00:49:04.000 Fair use doesn't just mean somebody can spend all that money.

00:49:08.000 And you can just cop it and put it on your cable news network without any credit at all, without paying anything like that.

00:49:13.000 I know you said it's not about the money there, but I think a lot of people don't understand all that goes into getting this footage and then having it reasonably credited as well.

00:49:24.000 I'm personally not super concerned about credit, the money and stuff, but that's not my rights.

00:49:32.000 Elad retains those rights to a very large degree as per our agreement with him, which means if he's seeing stuff he's produced be sent far and wide, Typically on his own when he reports he sends an invoice like hey, I own the rights to this you got to pay for it Now he's he's operating under our banner That doesn't change.

00:49:51.000 So if he says he wants licenses for this.

00:49:53.000 It's not whether we want it to happen or not It's whether he does and I think he's a reasonable guy.

00:49:57.000 So we're not no one's trying to start fights or anything I don't want to harp too much specifically on that point other than to clarify it my point in the bigger picture is For the people who really like DeSantis, please look at the replies to my initial tweet so you can understand exactly why his polls are dropping.

00:50:14.000 It is an absurdity for me to be like, we didn't license this footage out, and then just have high-profile people with a million followers effectively, you know, just insulting me for no reason.

00:50:24.000 They could have been like, thanks for the clarification, Tim.

00:50:27.000 That's it.

00:50:27.000 Instead, they're just creating threads, insulting me like crazy.

00:50:32.000 So I'll tell you this.

00:50:32.000 If your goal is to get me to really dislike his campaign, okay, I guess.

00:50:37.000 But simply put, my opinion on Ron DeSantis is not predicated upon what his fans do or say, but the people associated with his campaign, who have also engaged in what I would say is detrimental behavior to his campaign.

00:50:49.000 But I fear the reason why his polls are dropping is because he's surrounded by people that will defend him no matter what he does.

00:50:57.000 They'll keep telling him he's right no matter what he does.

00:51:00.000 Let's jump to this story and we'll talk about this one.

00:51:02.000 We have this from TimCast.com.

00:51:04.000 Gays Against Groomers official resigns following DeSantis ad slamming Trump's previous LGBTQ support.

00:51:12.000 I actually, I say this very clearly.

00:51:14.000 I think Ron DeSantis does deserve credit on going after the weird grooming stuff and targeting of kids.

00:51:20.000 And to a great degree, that criticism of Donald Trump is to a certain degree fair.

00:51:25.000 I do think it is unfair to categorize Donald Trump's support of your average LGBT person as the same as what Ron DeSantis is fighting, which is groomers.

00:51:34.000 So there's a point to be made there.

00:51:35.000 But ultimately there was backlash.

00:51:37.000 Ron DeSantis ended up getting flack from log cabin Republicans.

00:51:41.000 We now have David Leatherwood announcing his resignation from Gays Against Groomers because of the ardent support the organization's leader has for DeSantis.

00:51:49.000 This has been not good for DeSantis.

00:51:53.000 The DeSantis campaign has been very divisive on many of these issues, and ultimately my point is DeSantis then goes on Tommy Lorenz show, doubles down on all of this, And the result is increased backlash.

00:52:07.000 Ron could have come out.

00:52:09.000 He clarified and said, maybe we're a little strong.

00:52:13.000 You know, I don't want to conflate groomers with LGBT American citizens who want to live their lives.

00:52:19.000 Instead he goes, no, it's totally fair for me to do this.

00:52:21.000 Trump did this.

00:52:22.000 It seems like he's not getting good advice.

00:52:25.000 That people aren't explaining to him like, hey, you have a large coalition of people who are LGBT who support Donald Trump and will support you because they may be gay, but they don't like the groomers.

00:52:35.000 Don't ostracize the people who do like you.

00:52:38.000 But Ron goes forward anyway.

00:52:40.000 And it results in stories like this.

00:52:43.000 I think he's listening to sycophants.

00:52:44.000 And it's hurting him.

00:52:46.000 And it's tangible.

00:52:47.000 You see it in the polls.

00:52:48.000 Yeah.

00:52:49.000 So what can we expect?

00:52:50.000 We expect him not to win the primary?

00:52:51.000 Do you think that because Ron is looking to attack Trump from the right, do you think that the LGBT issues are going to be something that he's not going to be able to get a broad message that his campaign and his base will accept?

00:53:06.000 Because I feel like Whoever is going to be the Republican nominee needs to at least tolerate LGBT people, like gay people and probably trans people to some degree.

00:53:20.000 Obviously it needs to be prevented from being, you know, instructed to kids and needs to be taken out of school curriculum and you don't want to have It's the grooming stuff.

00:53:30.000 It's the political stuff.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, the grooming stuff.

00:53:32.000 But do you think that DeSantis is going to be able to lock that kind of stuff down without alienating LGBT or gay people?

00:53:38.000 I think that's pretty easy to... No, it's not that it's hard, but will he be able to?

00:53:43.000 Will he be able to successfully do it?

00:53:45.000 Yeah, if he's coming from the right, you know?

00:53:46.000 If Ron DeSantis is adamant on attacking Trump from the right, he'll lose.

00:53:51.000 That's just it.

00:53:52.000 And I think that that's largely what it is.

00:53:54.000 You know, we were talking about this downstairs, you know, we were hanging out, Seamus, Destiny, John Doyle after the show, and we were talking quite a bit about it.

00:54:04.000 And I'm like, what we're seeing here with the Trump versus DeSantis is DeSantis really does represent the old guard Republicans, who are angry that Trump stormed into their party and took over, and they see an opportunity with DeSantis to win it back.

00:54:17.000 Unfortunately, it would seem that to a great degree, many of them lack the tact to pull it off.

00:54:22.000 Yeah, so the zealotry, the anger, the I-can-do-no-wrong attitude is exactly how you end up losing this internal conflict.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, when you're working against Donald Trump, if you want to defeat Donald Trump in an election, think of him as a non-Newtonian fluid, if you're familiar with these, like cornstarch and water.

00:54:37.000 The harder you hit it, the more solid it is.

00:54:40.000 If you go slowly, you use heat, you can push through it like a liquid.

00:54:45.000 That is a hard 20, Ian.

00:54:46.000 You rolled a 20 right.

00:54:47.000 That's amazing.

00:54:49.000 I see it exactly this way.

00:54:51.000 The response from the DeSantis campaign has been full force, as hard as possible, and they're hitting a brick wall.

00:54:56.000 But if they went slowly, they'd slip right through.

00:54:59.000 If their response to a lot of these issues was just pure authenticity, directly assessing the issue, Talking to people about their concerns and clarifying issues, dissenters would be defeating Trump in a prediction model.

00:55:13.000 One way I think that he could, in one second, is that, Phil, to answer your question, can

00:55:17.000 he pull it off?

00:55:18.000 Can he get the support of the LGBTQ plus community?

00:55:21.000 Yes, if he reminds people, straight people can be groomers too.

00:55:26.000 I'm here to prevent grooming of children.

00:55:29.000 I don't care who you are, what your sexuality is, where you came from, what colors you love.

00:55:34.000 I don't care.

00:55:34.000 Don't groom these kids in my schools.

00:55:37.000 That's, I think, the message, because you've got to push against the straight people, too, that are grooming.

00:55:43.000 You know, look, I don't understand.

00:55:45.000 Perhaps the issue is DeSantis believes he's in it for the primary, and that's all that matters, which means screw the moderates.

00:55:52.000 What he's ignoring is that... And maybe they're trying to recapture neocons when the Democratic Party, I suppose.

00:55:59.000 I can't imagine how that would make sense because a lot of these Lincoln Project people have just embraced leftist values.

00:56:05.000 Donald Trump brought moderates into the Republican Party.

00:56:08.000 Vox.com called Trump a moderate.

00:56:10.000 So of course Trump came out in support of LGBTQ Americans, said gay marriage was a settled issue, and that was like a year after gay marriage passed, like, right around this time.

00:56:18.000 So Trump absolutely Attacked the Republican Party from the left in a lot of ways, and it worked.

00:56:24.000 He brought in many people who typically wouldn't vote Republican, who did, with the help of individuals like Scott Pressler.

00:56:30.000 The Republican Party was able to bring on more registered voters than the Democrats in some states for the first time ever.

00:56:36.000 The idea that you're going to go back to how the Republican Party was before and attack Trump from the right is a huge mistake.

00:56:43.000 What I was saying about DeSantis a year ago, the opportunity he had was to be nice Trump.

00:56:48.000 To talk about the same policies in the same way, but be tactful, youthful, and energetic.

00:56:53.000 Instead, it seems like he's taking the harder right approach, which I just see as...

00:56:59.000 Not viable.

00:57:00.000 Maybe I'll be wrong.

00:57:02.000 Most people see him as doing a fantastic job in Florida, of course.

00:57:06.000 A lot of people praise him for that.

00:57:07.000 He did a fantastic job.

00:57:09.000 However, this so far from what we've seen him interacting with the public and everything like that, one, I think he's surrounding himself with maybe not the best people.

00:57:17.000 I'm not going to totally generalize because I'm sure he's around some great people, but yeah, just not the best team.

00:57:23.000 And then also the campaign, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems like a glorified version of low energy Jeb.

00:57:29.000 Yeah, it's like nothing about it's exciting, nothing about it.

00:57:32.000 I don't like that a lot of people keep trying to pull the Jeb card on DeSantis.

00:57:36.000 I disagree.

00:57:36.000 He's way better, don't get me wrong.

00:57:39.000 But the campaign is more rabid than that.

00:57:43.000 Yeah, it seems like he's trying to use Trumpian tactics, but he's not Trump, and he doesn't get that he's not Trump.

00:57:49.000 And he can't quite pull it off.

00:57:50.000 Yeah, and the opportunity was to not be the aggressive Trump, but to have Trump's policies.

00:57:56.000 That was the mean Trump.

00:57:57.000 And now he's like, Just attacking Trump and he's... Look.

00:58:03.000 It's not so much the campaign, but to a certain degree, people associated with the campaign.

00:58:07.000 But for the most part, it's his base.

00:58:09.000 Whatever he's cultivated, for whatever reason, are sycophants.

00:58:13.000 He does something wrong, what do they do?

00:58:14.000 So what?

00:58:15.000 And I'm like, well, that's not what we're... I'm not interested in that.

00:58:19.000 And to be fair, Trump is very, very similar in that regard.

00:58:22.000 It doesn't work for me.

00:58:24.000 My personal feelings to win an election is you make your opponents irrelevant.

00:58:27.000 They're not the focus of your campaign.

00:58:29.000 If you're talking about them, you're giving them free publicity.

00:58:32.000 This is what Hillary did to Trump in 2016.

00:58:34.000 She kept talking about Donald Trump and how horrible he was, and kept giving him fuel, and now DeSantis is doing the same thing.

00:58:40.000 Perhaps that's the goal.

00:58:41.000 The DeSantis supporters want these stories to exist so that his name gets mentioned more, I suppose.

00:58:47.000 I'll show you this.

00:58:48.000 Over at the predicted market, Vivek Ramaswamy, take a look at this, entered the contract June 28th from 3 cents, now he's currently at 8.

00:58:56.000 Vivek is now in third place in the prediction markets for the Republican presidential nomination.

00:59:01.000 He bypassed everybody.

00:59:03.000 That's impressive.

00:59:04.000 Tim Scott, even.

00:59:06.000 This guy's not a politician.

00:59:07.000 He's a young guy.

00:59:08.000 Yeah, as soon as people hear him speak, just even for 10 seconds, oh, who's that guy?

00:59:12.000 I like that.

00:59:13.000 You know, they love listening to him.

00:59:15.000 So I think just the more people hear his name, hear him speak, everything like that, that number is going to continue to skyrocket.

00:59:21.000 What he's saying is really Yeah, his message, and regardless of what actually happens or where he lands in regards to actually running or whatever, just him being a part of the conversation and the topics that he brings up, which make the other people that are running at least be marginally informed, which is one of the things that I want

00:59:44.000 A lot more out of Trump.

00:59:46.000 I want Trump to understand the policies that he's talking about because I feel like a lot of the policies are written by other people and he just kind of is the guy selling them.

00:59:55.000 And so I think that it's really, really good that Vivek is a third and is going to be on the stages.

01:00:01.000 He's really concerned with getting money out of BlackRock and putting it into indexes that don't invest in ESG particularly.

01:00:10.000 I don't know if there's going to be stages.

01:00:12.000 Oh, you don't think they'll do, uh... Why would Donald Trump debate Ron DeSantis?

01:00:16.000 Clicks, baby!

01:00:17.000 It used to be that you wanted a large platform to spread your message.

01:00:22.000 We got it.

01:00:22.000 Social media don't need it.

01:00:24.000 Yeah, I agree, man.

01:00:26.000 2006, I agreed with you.

01:00:27.000 The age, that old age of debate on a stage where the... Point!

01:00:31.000 Like, the moderator doesn't do anything anyway.

01:00:31.000 Hold on!

01:00:33.000 It ended in 2006 with internet video.

01:00:33.000 That's done.

01:00:36.000 Man, Trump in 2015 was something special.

01:00:38.000 15, 16, those debates were something special.

01:00:41.000 It was amazing.

01:00:42.000 Absolutely amazing.

01:00:44.000 Vivek would probably do pretty well in something like that.

01:00:44.000 CNN.

01:00:46.000 I still, I mean, like you said, you know...

01:00:49.000 So, uh, Trump will call him Rama Swampy.

01:00:52.000 I did not come up with that, so I can't remember.

01:00:54.000 I'm sorry, I'm not giving credit for the person who came up with that.

01:00:57.000 But, you know, to be honest, he keeps calling Ron DeSantis, DeSanctus, and it's the stupidest nickname ever.

01:01:02.000 DeSanctimonious?

01:01:03.000 Ron DeSancti- He calls him DeSanctus now.

01:01:05.000 DeSanctus?

01:01:06.000 Well, the reason I say- It's not working.

01:01:10.000 Things changed drastically in 2006, and I was speaking internet video, I was making YouTube videos about it, like, now we have the technology for world leaders to communicate without secret service present through Skype.

01:01:22.000 They can talk directly to their constituents, without Secret Service presence, from their bedroom, any time of the day.

01:01:27.000 And CNN was like, oh hell yeah, let's do the YouTube CNN debates this time.

01:01:32.000 So in 2008, CNN got their fingers into it, and they had very carefully curated videos from YouTubers that they would give to the people campaigning, Obama, Hillary Clinton.

01:01:42.000 And I asked one about the Federal Reserve they didn't use, because they were carefully, CNN, you know, curating it.

01:01:46.000 But you could see that CNN was on their heels.

01:01:48.000 They didn't know how to respond to this new political Populist uprising and new technology and they still don't if they think that I mean they didn't even have debates last year for the last election They didn't even debate.

01:01:59.000 Mm-hmm.

01:02:00.000 They didn't even debate what the first time in American history that Biden did even debate once No, yeah, they didn't The Democrats?

01:02:07.000 Yeah, they had debates.

01:02:08.000 They did.

01:02:09.000 But the Republican Democrat, did he?

01:02:11.000 They wanted more, what they did too.

01:02:12.000 They had one?

01:02:14.000 Yeah, there was one.

01:02:15.000 I remember being super surprised about Biden being as on as he was and I was almost like in disbelief because he was, you know, like I thought he was sleeping.

01:02:23.000 To think that three debates is enough is like such an antiquated mentality.

01:02:28.000 They should be every week, if there's two front-running candidates, they should be for the betterment of people, of all of us, of humanity.

01:02:34.000 Talking every week, in public.

01:02:36.000 Weren't you just a couple minutes ago saying that it was good that there was not going to be any debates, and now you're saying that there should be debates every week?

01:02:42.000 Well, no, I was saying that the methodology of debate has changed drastically since 2006, since internet video appeared.

01:02:47.000 So, like, we don't have to wait until they get on stage on Thursday at 8 p.m.

01:02:50.000 and they'll all clap together, like, the video's online forever now.

01:02:52.000 Because they're talking smack on Twitter back and forth.

01:02:54.000 And they can Skype!

01:02:55.000 They can debate over Skype!

01:02:56.000 They don't even need to be in the same room now, so it's so easy to do.

01:02:59.000 It's hardly the same thing, though.

01:03:00.000 We really need to see the debates.

01:03:02.000 I'd rather see a Skype debate than no debate, but I agree with you.

01:03:04.000 Having them in person is important.

01:03:06.000 Are there people that actually make up their minds after watching a debate?

01:03:09.000 Like, actually waiting for a debate and then saying, okay, I'm gonna vote for that person?

01:03:13.000 Are there actually people that do that?

01:03:15.000 Yeah.

01:03:16.000 I think it's only slightly different these days because of the internet.

01:03:18.000 Because you've heard the messages, because the news has been more ubiquitous.

01:03:22.000 I gotta be honest.

01:03:23.000 Does anybody think DeSantis can handle a debate with Donald Trump?

01:03:27.000 I don't know, I don't imagine he could, personally.

01:03:29.000 I think, I mean, I think he would do okay, but to answer your question, I mean, no.

01:03:34.000 I don't, I don't really think anybody can.

01:03:36.000 Not even the moderators.

01:03:38.000 I mean, he is, he's tough to hammer down.

01:03:42.000 Yeah, we made this point when we were watching the primaries back in, it was like 2020 with the Democrats.

01:03:47.000 Andrew Yang's mic got turned off.

01:03:49.000 And you see him just kind of like mouthing but not doing anything.

01:03:52.000 And they're like, oh, whoops.

01:03:53.000 And I was like, if that was Donald Trump, he would lean over to the other person like, excuse me, excuse me, my microphone is off.

01:03:59.000 You got to turn it on.

01:04:00.000 It's I need to say it.

01:04:02.000 I think if you're going to beat Trump in a debate, you need to ignore him while he's bloviating and while he's trying to insult you.

01:04:08.000 Just be like, this guy, this guy, and then keep talking about what's important and just let him be like flames in the background from the friction.

01:04:16.000 But if you turn to him and start playing his game with him, you lose.

01:04:20.000 Because he's the best at it.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, you don't want to, don't engage with it.

01:04:23.000 I don't know, I don't know about not engaging with it, you need to understand how to counter.

01:04:27.000 Dismiss it, yeah.

01:04:28.000 To deflect, to parry.

01:04:30.000 I think people just have no clue what to do when he's in that zone.

01:04:34.000 Because not only does, not only is he just coming after you left and right, but he also often times has the audience kind of interested.

01:04:41.000 Everybody's honed in on what he's saying, on his jab, everything like that.

01:04:47.000 It's not a debate.

01:04:48.000 This idea of a debate where it's like two people say, like, let's discuss the merits of, you know, U.S.

01:04:53.000 intervention in Ukraine.

01:04:54.000 Well, I think the problem here is, but we have a treaty here, like, that's a debate.

01:04:57.000 Being on stage to win political power is a show.

01:05:01.000 One of the greatest shows on earth.

01:05:02.000 And Donald Trump wins the debate when he makes you laugh at his opponent.

01:05:06.000 So you can go on stage and Donald Trump can talk about, we're gonna have the best tax policy, it's gonna be very good, and then Ron can come out and be like, look, I'm leading this comeback and I think I did a better job.

01:05:18.000 Nobody cares.

01:05:19.000 It's when Donald Trump says, DeSanctis is a little man, he's a meatball.

01:05:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:25.000 Look at him, he's a meatball.

01:05:26.000 Everyone's busting out laughing.

01:05:27.000 And they're like, yeah, he's a meatball!

01:05:30.000 That gets the vote.

01:05:31.000 A lot of people want to believe that the American voter is above that.

01:05:38.000 But most are not.

01:05:39.000 A lot of them are.

01:05:40.000 But you got to understand this.

01:05:42.000 George Carlin said it.

01:05:43.000 Imagine how stupid the average person is.

01:05:46.000 Now realize that half of them are stupider than that.

01:05:49.000 So if Donald Trump is looking at A voting base of, you know, potential, let's say 175 million voters he had before.

01:05:56.000 He's looking at a total voter pool of around 150-200 million.

01:06:00.000 He knows that 100 million of those potential votes are going to be people who are going to laugh about Meatball Ron.

01:06:06.000 And he does not need the smarter people's votes because voter turnout is low.

01:06:10.000 Donald Trump needs arguably 70 to 80 million votes in the general.

01:06:13.000 Now, now again, I know, no, no, slow down.

01:06:15.000 Primary is a bit different.

01:06:16.000 Same, same principle applies.

01:06:18.000 He can sit there and be like, I can make the best argument in the world and win over the top 10% of the bell curve, or I can make a joke and win over everyone from 51% and down.

01:06:27.000 Yeah, I have mixed feelings about that, because you could go the hard, emotional gutting of Donald Trump if you really want to play dirty.

01:06:34.000 Like, talk about his daddy issues.

01:06:36.000 His dad didn't love him.

01:06:37.000 His dad was like a businessman that just treated him like a commodity.

01:06:40.000 You could hurt him emotionally, but is that the way?

01:06:44.000 But you've got to win the hearts of the people, too.

01:06:46.000 Everyone's going to be turned off by that.

01:06:48.000 Yeah, but look at him.

01:06:50.000 The reason he's lashing out is because his dad didn't love him.

01:06:52.000 And then the crowd's going to be like, oh, and then Donald's going to start getting red in the face.

01:06:57.000 That is why he's lashing out.

01:06:58.000 If it's too dirty, it's not going to win the hearts of the people.

01:07:00.000 You've got to be honest.

01:07:01.000 You've got to be funny.

01:07:02.000 It's truly why.

01:07:02.000 You've got to make people feel good, and in a way that makes you look dominant.

01:07:07.000 So when he was like, low energy Jeb, and Jeb's like, brr, everybody's busting out laughing,

01:07:12.000 and they're like, yeah, Jeb is low energy, look at him. It's still funny.

01:07:16.000 It makes Trump the bigger man in their mind. It makes them feel good at the same time. And

01:07:20.000 they're like, we need someone like that to push people around for us.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, someone that can fluster somebody.

01:07:24.000 You could fluster Donald, too.

01:07:26.000 Yeah, but not in a way that makes people... Like, I'll put it this way.

01:07:29.000 There are many people who could roast Donald Trump and get it done right.

01:07:34.000 Ron DeSantis is not that guy.

01:07:36.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is not that guy.

01:07:37.000 Tim Scott is not that guy.

01:07:39.000 Nikki Haley's certainly not that lady.

01:07:41.000 I don't see anybody in the Republican field who's gonna have the ability to make people feel like they're strong, they're good, and Trump is diminished at the same time.

01:07:49.000 Trump has that unique ability.

01:07:51.000 He hasn't done very well in the past couple of years.

01:07:53.000 In 2020, he could have done way better with Biden.

01:07:54.000 He did a bad job with it.

01:07:56.000 That's why I said 2016-2015 was something special with the primaries and with Hillary.

01:08:01.000 Will we see it again from Trump?

01:08:02.000 Maybe it's out of him.

01:08:03.000 Maybe he's not all there.

01:08:04.000 We've seen a little bit of a comeback.

01:08:07.000 But I'll tell you this right now, wherever Trump is currently at in terms of his showmanship, DeSantis is nowhere near.

01:08:14.000 That's just Reality.

01:08:16.000 And if they get offended by that, if they can't handle that critique, then they deserve to lose.

01:08:23.000 If they listen to what we're saying, and right now begin to work on that specifically, they will win.

01:08:30.000 Perhaps.

01:08:31.000 I think one problem with Biden that Trump had, and if he stays in, that everybody's going to have with him, is he's a really hard guy to make a jab at.

01:08:41.000 Because like we were just talking about, something that makes people laugh, it's light-hearted, all of that, it's tough to make fun and successfully deliver a jab at a grandpa with dementia.

01:08:51.000 It just doesn't look that good.

01:08:53.000 It looked a lot better when he did it to Hillary Clinton.

01:08:55.000 But not to Joe Biden.

01:08:56.000 People kind of feel bad for Joe Biden.

01:08:58.000 I really think they do.

01:08:59.000 I really think they do.

01:09:01.000 I think Donald Trump should have gone after Biden more so than he did.

01:09:05.000 I think he did a relatively bad job in 2020.

01:09:08.000 I mean, yeah.

01:09:09.000 Sleepy Joe!

01:09:11.000 Yeah, the Sleepy Joe, all that's great, but I just don't think it resonated as well as it did with Hillary.

01:09:17.000 She was a lot more on her game, so when she gets shut down, it's way funnier than some guy that can barely speak.

01:09:24.000 And she's nasty.

01:09:25.000 Yeah, she was kind of snaky.

01:09:27.000 So when Trump makes fun of her, people laugh.

01:09:29.000 That's a big factor.

01:09:30.000 I still think Trump should have been like, oh crazy Joe!

01:09:34.000 What's that story, Joe?

01:09:35.000 You're touching little kids?

01:09:36.000 You're touching their legs?

01:09:37.000 They're gross?

01:09:37.000 It's creepy and weird?

01:09:38.000 You're right, Tim.

01:09:39.000 It is a popularity contest.

01:09:41.000 And it's an entertainment game, which is terrible.

01:09:44.000 It shouldn't be that way for the commander-in-chief of our military.

01:09:47.000 It's been that way since TV was invented.

01:09:49.000 Radio, yeah.

01:09:50.000 Not TV.

01:09:51.000 Well, Hitler used radio.

01:09:52.000 Yeah, because the thing I'm talking about is when Nixon and JFK did their first televised

01:10:01.000 debate, if you listened to it on the radio, people were saying Nixon won.

01:10:05.000 If you watched it on TV, Nixon looked like a mess.

01:10:08.000 He didn't shave yet, it was 5 o'clock.

01:10:10.000 He was sweating like crazy.

01:10:11.000 He looked bad and everyone said that JFK won.

01:10:13.000 So the way that people See you like when the way you look when you're actually in the debated It goes far beyond just the the words that you say and that's that speaks to the way that we communicate More broadly people don't just listen to the words the look on your face matters if you're looking at me in the eye Also smiling all sorts of things.

01:10:35.000 So when you're when they're debating those things go into it to Trump Trump's funny, man He's hilarious.

01:10:41.000 So when I went to the White House for the social media summit with Bill Ottman I didn't know what to expect.

01:10:46.000 I thought it was gonna be like a kind of like a roundtable thing.

01:10:48.000 What was it?

01:10:49.000 Trump doing stand-up.

01:10:50.000 I'm not even kidding.

01:10:51.000 He's got all of these influential people sitting around him trying to talk about the issue of censorship, and he's just up there speaking about it, but it was like it was...

01:11:00.000 It was political humor.

01:11:01.000 It was political comedy.

01:11:02.000 It was him talking about the political issues and then snapping jokes and looking and laughing and the room was just laughing non-stop.

01:11:08.000 That's how the dude commands an audience.

01:11:10.000 That's how he wins.

01:11:13.000 Look, you can sit here all day and be like, policy is the best way to win the primary.

01:11:17.000 It's like, good luck with that, dude.

01:11:19.000 Good luck.

01:11:20.000 I'm not saying Trump still got it, though.

01:11:22.000 It's yet to be seen.

01:11:22.000 We'll see.

01:11:24.000 He might not even do a debate.

01:11:26.000 My understanding is he's probably not going to do a debate with DeSantis.

01:11:28.000 And that's good news for DeSantis, but maybe Trump can't handle it.

01:11:31.000 I wonder if they totally realize that for his campaign, Trump's campaign, just because you know how often he's been going to restaurants, buying everybody food, ordering everyone blizzards, all that stuff.

01:11:44.000 I wonder if they see that really working and resonating with people, because you get that guy in a crowd, and like Tim's getting at, he's going to perform.

01:11:50.000 He's going to perform.

01:11:51.000 As long as he has a crowd around him, people are going to love him.

01:11:53.000 I feel like he hasn't stopped doing rallies.

01:11:56.000 Yet.

01:11:57.000 Like, since the last time he was president, I feel like he's been out of there.

01:12:01.000 There was a period where he was gone.

01:12:02.000 Okay.

01:12:03.000 And then he's come back, and now he's been doing rallies, and they've been funny.

01:12:06.000 They've been funny.

01:12:07.000 Man, it does feel like the only way to defeat that kind of debate is to undermine, is to really go at his personal life, like really hurt his feelings.

01:12:15.000 And I do not like that.

01:12:17.000 You said defeat him in a debate, you said?

01:12:19.000 Yeah, if you want to make him look silly and debase him, make him off balance, you make him remember his horrible childhood.

01:12:24.000 The problem is Trump Weaponize his self-deprecation.

01:12:28.000 This idea that you're going to insult his family and win support is wrong.

01:12:32.000 Trump calls Jeb low energy.

01:12:34.000 He doesn't say your father was a scumbag.

01:12:37.000 He said George W. Bush, your brother, lied to us.

01:12:42.000 That's not the same as saying you are an abused child who is neglected and that's why nobody loves you because people go, dude, come on, low blow.

01:12:49.000 He's like, you're low energy, Jeb!

01:12:51.000 Low energy!

01:12:51.000 And people are laughing, and they're like, he is!

01:12:54.000 Please clap, come on.

01:12:54.000 Well, you could call him Low Blow Trump.

01:12:57.000 Like, that's his tactic, is low blows.

01:12:58.000 But that's... See, the issue is... The delivery really matters as well.

01:13:02.000 Nobody delivers like Trump does.

01:13:04.000 So you can get a jab in, and that's great, and it can be spicy, but you're not gonna land it like Donald Trump.

01:13:08.000 But it's not, I just, I don't think it's gonna work, right?

01:13:10.000 What can you insult Donald Trump on?

01:13:12.000 His age.

01:13:13.000 His old man Trump, and you know what he's gonna do?

01:13:15.000 His raspy, withering voice.

01:13:16.000 He'll say he's a vibrant young man, that's what he'll say.

01:13:18.000 His wig, or whatever, his dyed hair, his orange skin.

01:13:21.000 You keep saying that, and you are, and I will tell you you're wrong, I'll tell you why, because you'll be on the debate stage, and you'll say, listen old man, with your moosed up coif, weird raccoon haircut, he'll be like, certainly better than your hair, and that's a, that's a Trump made fun of himself for being orange.

01:13:36.000 He was at a rally, famously, and he was like, THE LIGHTS!

01:13:38.000 Wide, wide, better than you when you're like milk.

01:13:41.000 So go after him about how he drained the swamp.

01:13:43.000 Drain the swamp, Twomp.

01:13:44.000 I can help you, Ron.

01:13:45.000 I can give you damage.

01:13:46.000 I know, seeing this episode of SpongeBob, I appreciate it, but Tim is spot on on that.

01:13:52.000 I mean, he'll deflect.

01:13:53.000 He's a professional.

01:13:54.000 He's a professional for dealing with people.

01:13:55.000 Trump made fun of him.

01:13:56.000 He's also 80.

01:13:57.000 Trump made fun of himself for being orange.

01:13:58.000 He was at a rally famously and he was like, the lights, they're making me look too orange.

01:14:03.000 It's not fair!

01:14:03.000 And everyone busts out laughing.

01:14:04.000 He knows how they insult him, and he uses it?

01:14:07.000 Yeah, but no one's ever going after him with his relationship with his dad.

01:14:09.000 That's not funny!

01:14:11.000 It's not funny!

01:14:12.000 It's not.

01:14:12.000 It's meant to hurt his feelings.

01:14:13.000 And it won't work!

01:14:14.000 How do you know that that is something that's true?

01:14:15.000 Fred Trump?

01:14:19.000 The business magnate?

01:14:20.000 Trump, over and over again, they wouldn't shut up.

01:14:24.000 It had zero impact.

01:14:26.000 If Donald Trump's gonna play dirty and insult people, then you better expect, you gotta get creative and insult him.

01:14:32.000 I mean, it's the only way is to hurt his feelings.

01:14:34.000 It's also entertaining for people.

01:14:35.000 What makes you think that that is gonna hurt his feelings?

01:14:39.000 Because he hasn't thought about it in a while and it's true?

01:14:42.000 Your magic!

01:14:43.000 How do you know what he's thought about?

01:14:44.000 I'm trying to figure out how it is that you... The New York Times says someone's familiar with his thinking, so... What was that?

01:14:49.000 The New York Times has written many articles about people familiar with his thinking.

01:14:53.000 That's what I'm coming for.

01:14:55.000 I feel like you're making these assertions, but I don't know where you're basing this opinion of Trump's internal monologue or his internal sense of self-worth.

01:15:06.000 I don't know that that... I've read that his dad would bring him to work and insult him in front of people.

01:15:11.000 And what's going to happen is, that's not funny.

01:15:14.000 It's not meant to be funny, it's meant to be entertaining.

01:15:16.000 And the reason Trump succeeds is because he is funny.

01:15:20.000 Get it?

01:15:21.000 Well, he's entertaining.

01:15:22.000 He's also a dirtbag sometimes.

01:15:23.000 He's hilarious.

01:15:24.000 He comes out, he makes jokes, everybody laughs.

01:15:26.000 So he's looking to win over his base.

01:15:31.000 Ron DeSantis is not going to win voters by being this nasty guy to insult a person.

01:15:38.000 No, no.

01:15:38.000 You do it very gently.

01:15:40.000 And you move on, man.

01:15:42.000 You just let it resonate.

01:15:43.000 Has anyone seen that episode of Spongebob where they're doing this talent show and Squidward's out there doing this crazy dance and no one is clapping, but then Spongebob goes out there with a broom and he's sweeping and everyone's going nuts?

01:15:53.000 That's what it reminds me of.

01:15:56.000 Kind of like, he might do something, he might say that, and then people would just be like, you're kind of a jerk, dude.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, we're assuming that he would have a strong, solid delivery, he would deliver it kindly.

01:16:06.000 No way.

01:16:07.000 It would be a disaster.

01:16:08.000 One, because they sold Joe Biden, or whoever you're talking about here, as being just a kind person, not Trump.

01:16:15.000 And then, what, he comes out here with a nastier jab than Donald Trump?

01:16:19.000 And he's going to deliver it?

01:16:20.000 I'm talking about Ron DeSantis.

01:16:21.000 I was talking about a DeSantis-Trump debate.

01:16:23.000 That's what I've been talking about the whole time.

01:16:24.000 Imagine... Sorry, sorry, sorry.

01:16:25.000 Yeah, yeah, DeSantis.

01:16:27.000 But, well, I guess same thing applies then.

01:16:30.000 So if he's going to deliver that, and that's like, okay, get tough on Donald Trump and be mean to him, and that's all great.

01:16:36.000 I don't see the benefit of really, really, really being nasty to Donald Trump.

01:16:41.000 When you're trying to win those voters, keep in mind.

01:16:42.000 It would be a jujitsu tactic in that only if Trump went at him personally or comes at me or comes at someone personally, then you maneuver it to cause him emotional pain, and then you just continue on and let him shake, you know?

01:16:53.000 Okay.

01:16:54.000 They all tried coming at Trump and nobody could pull it off because this is Trump's arena.

01:16:58.000 The idea that you're going to insult him and win votes over is just, it's absurd.

01:17:02.000 I mean, every Republican tried it during the debates.

01:17:06.000 It's like 10 of them and they all tried doing this.

01:17:09.000 That's how he insulted Jeb Bush, he insulted Hillary Clinton, he insulted all of them.

01:17:14.000 And there are MMA fighters who are undefeated.

01:17:19.000 And you'll say, well, their tactic is to use, you know, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, so you gotta use it against them.

01:17:22.000 It's like, oh, that's funny, they still lost.

01:17:24.000 Oh, I agree with you that there are no capable performers in the political arena right now.

01:17:30.000 Maybe AOC.

01:17:31.000 Donald Trump's by far the most entertaining, whether you like him or not.

01:17:35.000 Fast, witty, funny, and in the right way.

01:17:38.000 Actually, Vivek Ramaswamy's way smarter and faster than Trump.

01:17:40.000 He could rip that guy to shreds.

01:17:43.000 On policy, yes.

01:17:45.000 He's a billionaire, man.

01:17:46.000 If we're talking about just a quick jab against Trump, I think he'd probably be better than DeSantis, maybe?

01:17:50.000 Agreed.

01:17:52.000 Yeah, I think he would actually be better at it.

01:17:56.000 I want you just to imagine this for a second.

01:17:58.000 Donald Trump on stage, and he says, you know, we look at Ron DeSantis, little Ron, I call him, his policy is no good, disloyal.

01:18:06.000 And then Ron goes, Donald Trump's father didn't love him, and would ignore him, so daddy issues over here has a terrible time of understanding.

01:18:15.000 Everyone's gonna be like, whoa.

01:18:16.000 No, you say it directly to his face.

01:18:18.000 You look him in the eyes and tell him, you know.

01:18:20.000 And people are gonna be like, ooh, dude.

01:18:22.000 Yeah, they're gonna be like, ah, and then it'll go viral.

01:18:24.000 60 million views.

01:18:25.000 Trump's gonna do something.

01:18:26.000 Ron DeSantis will get 10 million more votes.

01:18:29.000 This guy's a boss.

01:18:30.000 He's willing to stand up to Donald Trump.

01:18:32.000 I love how these things were tried and all failed and you're like, they'll happen now.

01:18:35.000 Well, no, I don't think my problem is there's all the with with your with what you're you're thinking is that you've got all this assumption and all of there's a lot of like you're Telling this narrative about if you do this then this will happen and this will happen and the the possibilities are Almost infinite after step one like everybody's plan like runs into reality and then it falls apart Yeah, and you're making so many assumptions.

01:19:00.000 The reason I'm like what you're thinking he's gonna do and what people would do and what DeSantis could do and and just there's a lot of like you More telling a story than actually thinking about something that's realistic to try to navigate.

01:19:15.000 Everyone's got a plan until you get punched in the face.

01:19:17.000 I've had some experiences where I've had friends in the past that would make fun of me, or

01:19:22.000 one guy in particular, and I was like, stop, and he would never stop.

01:19:25.000 And then one day I was just like, your dad did not love you, and you turned into a real

01:19:28.000 asshole and he stopped that.

01:19:30.000 He was like shaking after that, and he never messed with me again after that.

01:19:32.000 You were talking to Trump?

01:19:33.000 No, I was talking to my buddy, and his dad really did abuse him, and he was mean to him

01:19:37.000 when he used to call him names and stuff.

01:19:38.000 And I'm like, that's why you act like this.

01:19:40.000 And he stopped after that.

01:19:41.000 For how many years?

01:19:42.000 I also had a person that would smack me, and I was like, if you do that again, I'm gonna

01:19:44.000 smack you back the exact same way.

01:19:46.000 And it happened again, and I did it, and then I never got smacked again.

01:19:49.000 Was he much bigger than you?

01:19:50.000 It was a girl, actually.

01:19:52.000 Oh.

01:19:52.000 And she never smacked me after that.

01:19:53.000 She was hurting me, so I was like, please stop.

01:19:55.000 She wouldn't stop.

01:19:56.000 Ian, for years, they called Donald Trump Drumpf to insult his father, his grandparents, etc.

01:20:03.000 That did nothing.

01:20:04.000 No, the tactic is when they insult you, in the moment, right away, you strike back in a way that makes them...

01:20:12.000 Okay?

01:20:12.000 Out of the moment.

01:20:13.000 Let's imagine this.

01:20:14.000 They're trying to throw this guy in prison, and we think this is going to be the thing that's going to take- I mean, realistically, they're not going to let him win.

01:20:21.000 I want you to imagine Donald Trump calls Ron DeSantis, little Ron, little Ron is disloyal, and then Ron immediately turns to him and says, your father didn't love you.

01:20:30.000 Everyone's going to be like, what?

01:20:31.000 If he did it like a stodgy suit, yeah.

01:20:33.000 But if Trump cried or something, then... It's not gonna happen!

01:20:37.000 Yeah.

01:20:37.000 Trump's not gonna cry.

01:20:38.000 It would depend on that.

01:20:40.000 It'll deflect off him, like, body armor or something.

01:20:43.000 It'll deflect and it'll be nothing.

01:20:46.000 We can talk about it all we want.

01:20:47.000 Trump's response is gonna be something like, Ron will look and say, you know, your father, he didn't love you, and it clearly shows.

01:20:55.000 Donald Trump will start laughing.

01:20:56.000 Look at little Rod over here trying to come at my family.

01:20:59.000 It's sad, really.

01:21:00.000 Is that the best you've got?

01:21:01.000 He's gonna completely bounce off him, and then he's gonna be like, the only thing DeSantis can muster is insulting my dad.

01:21:08.000 How sad.

01:21:09.000 Disloyal.

01:21:10.000 Not even loyal to people's families.

01:21:12.000 It's exactly what you'd expect when you vote for DeSwampDis.

01:21:14.000 Blah blah blah blah blah.

01:21:16.000 Like, my point is this.

01:21:18.000 Ron does not have nobody.

01:21:21.000 It's not about Ron DeSantis.

01:21:23.000 Like, no one in that field of war that's 16 GOP contenders could do anything to get anything to stick to this guy.

01:21:29.000 It'd be like Rogan.

01:21:30.000 If Rogan did it to Trump.

01:21:31.000 Rogan could humiliate Donald Trump.

01:21:34.000 Louis C.K.

01:21:35.000 could humiliate Donald Trump.

01:21:36.000 People like that.

01:21:37.000 We don't have a politician like that.

01:21:39.000 I do agree with you there.

01:21:40.000 Yes, he could humiliate Trump.

01:21:42.000 But in terms of what Trump is working on and fighting for, these things don't work against his base.

01:21:46.000 They don't work against those who would vote for him.

01:21:48.000 Oh, I disagree.

01:21:48.000 I think they're cultists.

01:21:49.000 I think they go where the hilarity is.

01:21:51.000 No, listen.

01:21:51.000 They go where the funny... Ian, look.

01:21:52.000 The story I told over and over again...

01:21:58.000 Yes, the story I told over and over again.

01:21:59.000 My experience traveling this country during Trump's first campaign and his second campaign were people saying, I can't stand the way he talks.

01:22:07.000 I wish you would stop tweeting.

01:22:09.000 These, the average person who voted for him was not an occult and didn't, and did not like his, his, his brash attitude.

01:22:15.000 Insulting him in the way he insults others does not work.

01:22:18.000 I mean, it hasn't happened yet.

01:22:19.000 I think it's a bunch of 4chaners that want entertainment.

01:22:22.000 They put him in office because they thought it was funny.

01:22:24.000 It was a Lulbert move.

01:22:26.000 Obviously, that's not the case of who put him in office.

01:22:29.000 It's not just a bunch of 4chaners.

01:22:30.000 It was a lot of memes on 4chan that got him elected.

01:22:33.000 Not solely, you're right, but there's a lot of goofball kids that were disaffected and were making fun of the whole thing.

01:22:38.000 No, it was a lot of Americans that were sick and tired of being called racist every single election for the last decade, and they wanted something to change.

01:22:45.000 And they were seeing Republicans doing absolutely nothing while they get screwed in every direction.

01:22:49.000 That's why people voted for Donald Trump.

01:22:51.000 It wasn't just a bunch of 4chan trolls.

01:22:53.000 It's certainly not monolithic.

01:22:54.000 It's a bunch of what you're saying and what I'm saying.

01:22:57.000 There were definitely kids like Nick Fuentes that were like, Hitler's, he would say like Hitler's, he thinks Hitler is funny because when he grew up he's so disenfranchised by everything, he just looks at what triggers people and he's like, I'll do that, because it triggers.

01:23:09.000 I see what you're saying, but that extreme part of a base that you're talking about is much smaller than I think you think it is.

01:23:15.000 9 million Obama voters voted for Donald Trump.

01:23:19.000 They switched from the Democratic Party for Donald Trump.

01:23:21.000 Those are the people that want entertainment.

01:23:23.000 If you think you're going to win a general by attacking those individuals, it ain't working.

01:23:27.000 But let's do this.

01:23:27.000 Let's get cultural and we'll wrap up on a cultural segment.

01:23:30.000 We have the story from the post-millennial and it's good news.

01:23:32.000 Left-wing media seethes over success of anti-child trafficking film Sound of Freedom.

01:23:37.000 The movie tells the story of Tim Ballard.

01:23:39.000 All of you know it.

01:23:39.000 I'm a big fan of the film.

01:23:40.000 It was absolutely fantastic.

01:23:42.000 I recommend that you check it out.

01:23:44.000 But oh boy.

01:23:45.000 Reports from left-wing news sites Jezebel and The Guardian have tried to discredit the hit release Sound of Freedom, linking it with conspiracy theories.

01:23:52.000 Do we have the tweet from Jack Pasopaghere?

01:23:54.000 Let me show you this one.

01:23:56.000 He says, in plain sight, Rolling Stone says, Sound of Freedom, the QAnon-tinged thriller about child trafficking, is designed to appeal to the conscience of a conspiracy-eddled boomer.

01:24:07.000 And then there's... from Rolling Stone.

01:24:09.000 Thanks to a major marketing mistake, the award-winning French movie Cuties was accused of sexualizing young girls.

01:24:15.000 It's actually a sensitive portrait of growing pains that deserves to be seen.

01:24:18.000 That's who these people are.

01:24:20.000 The groomers.

01:24:22.000 Yeah, Sound of Freedom is doing really, really well and of course we're seeing leftists get absolutely upset about it.

01:24:28.000 But this is good news across the board because it shows that we're winning on cultural grounds, we're winning in the arts.

01:24:35.000 It's not about conservatives winning, it's about people pushing back against the creepy woke cult establishment garbage.

01:24:43.000 Winning as a whole or just getting a win?

01:24:45.000 Winning as a whole.

01:24:48.000 I just watched this.

01:24:48.000 If you look across the board, right, you can argue that the left holds, let's say you have a country and there's like twelve battlefronts, twelve counties or jurisdictions, and the right only controls six of them.

01:25:03.000 They're winning that fight, gaining ground and spreading.

01:25:06.000 Even if the left holds more institutions, they are losing control of them.

01:25:10.000 Fair, and I didn't want to sound too negative right there, I was just curious of what you were talking about.

01:25:15.000 Mud Light, Target, Starbucks, Sound of Freedom?

01:25:17.000 For sure, for sure.

01:25:18.000 Oh boy.

01:25:18.000 No, no, I mean we're definitely on the offensive move right now when it comes to people that just are sick and tired of the woke elite that dominates all these institutions, all of that.

01:25:29.000 I do have to admit, I haven't seen the movie yet.

01:25:31.000 Well, I just came out.

01:25:33.000 Yeah, I am gonna watch it.

01:25:34.000 And I do know, is it not based on a true story?

01:25:37.000 It's a Mormon guy.

01:25:38.000 True story.

01:25:39.000 It's based on a true story.

01:25:40.000 There's some embellishment in it.

01:25:42.000 FBI?

01:25:42.000 Am I getting this right?

01:25:43.000 Homeland Security?

01:25:44.000 Homeland Security.

01:25:45.000 I think it might have been ICE.

01:25:46.000 I'm not sure.

01:25:46.000 An ex, right?

01:25:47.000 So he got out of it.

01:25:48.000 He quit because he wanted to save the kids and he couldn't, you know, working for the government.

01:25:53.000 Right, so, based on a true story, and that appeals to QAnon conspiracy theorists.

01:25:58.000 I mean, they just thought of that and they said, okay, this is what we can do to get the general population away from this movie, even though it's performing really, really well.

01:26:07.000 I mean, it beat out Indiana Jones on its opening day, right?

01:26:10.000 Yeah, Indiana Jones had opened over the weekend, and then it was a Tuesday that this movie came out, but it beat it on that Tuesday.

01:26:16.000 So it made like $10.8 million, where Indiana Jones made like $10.7, or something like that.

01:26:21.000 But Indy had already made $80 million over the weekend.

01:26:24.000 Right, right.

01:26:24.000 I mean, it's still doing fantastic, obviously, but that's...

01:26:32.000 I think that they really just wanted people to kind of not dig into that story.

01:26:36.000 And that's not the first time I've seen them bring up QAnon.

01:26:39.000 Rolling Stone, they weren't the first people to repeat that narrative.

01:26:42.000 It's a QAnon movie.

01:26:43.000 Yeah, I've seen it all over Twitter already.

01:26:45.000 Like a bunch of people are talking about making some kind of connection to QAnon.

01:26:50.000 I don't think that the average person, like, I don't think QAnon resonates with the average person.

01:26:56.000 The people that have about 15 minutes to watch the news a day, you know, 20 minutes or whatever, they watch a little bit in the morning and a little bit in the evening when they're doing their life.

01:27:06.000 I don't think QAnon, I think they hear that and it's in one ear, out the other.

01:27:10.000 Yeah, it was only because of outlets like this that I knew what QAnon was, because I heard it thrown around by people tweeting stuff like that.

01:27:18.000 I can make some assumptions as to why it couldn't get released.

01:27:20.000 Let's hear it.

01:27:20.000 Um, did- was anyone talking about why Disney held on to this movie for...

01:27:26.000 What'd they have the rights for, like five years?

01:27:28.000 I believe it was already made.

01:27:29.000 Five years, yep.

01:27:30.000 For Sound of Freedom?

01:27:31.000 Yeah, it was made five years ago.

01:27:33.000 Really?

01:27:34.000 And uh, well, I can make some assumptions as to why it couldn't get released.

01:27:36.000 Let's hear it.

01:27:37.000 Because there are groomers in Hollywood.

01:27:39.000 And pedophiles in Hollywood.

01:27:41.000 And you make a movie about ending child trafficking, and you'll end up with some Hollywood executive being like, oh, harumph I say, but what about what I want to do when I fly down there, right?

01:27:50.000 So let's just say based on what we know from some individuals who produce documentaries about Hollywood, the trafficking, the abuse, hey, let's talk about Elliot Page, who claims to have been assaulted, you know, in this industry.

01:28:05.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 They made a movie about child trafficking being bad and wanting to end it, and then the big networks were like, the big studios were like, uh-oh, we shouldn't let people see this.

01:28:14.000 I'm gonna go ahead and make an assumption as to why that is.

01:28:16.000 Yeah.

01:28:16.000 I was just watching RFK Jr.' 's interview with Lex Friedman on Lex's channel on YouTube, and I saw about half of it, but at one point RFK Jr.

01:28:24.000 was talking about Project Mockingbird, Operation Mockingbird, the CIA taking control of media in like the 60s and 70s.

01:28:28.000 Then they were ordered, I think it was a church commission, where they're like, you gotta stop.

01:28:31.000 And they're like, OK.

01:28:32.000 But RFK was like, I don't think they really ever stopped.

01:28:35.000 And he was naming outlets that have been co-opted by the CIA or that are assets with the CIA.

01:28:40.000 Daily Beast was the first one.

01:28:41.000 Then he mentioned Rolling Stone magazine.

01:28:42.000 Yeah.

01:28:43.000 Right away.

01:28:44.000 And then I see Rolling Stone's the one that's trashing this.

01:28:47.000 Ever since the 2012 NDAA was signed, the, what is it, the Smith-Munt?

01:28:55.000 Modernization Act was in the NDAA and that made it legal for the federal government to propagandize the American people.

01:29:05.000 After World War II, the Smith-Muntt Act said that the American population cannot be propagandized by the federal government and it was in response to what they had learned That the Nazis and the Soviets had done leading up to and during World War II and the federal government, you know, the people were like, look, the federal government shouldn't be making decisions about what the people think, right?

01:29:29.000 The people, the government should be a reflection of the population, not the population a reflection of what the government wants.

01:29:35.000 And that's borne out in the way that governments have treated their populations when their population doesn't act the way the government wants them or doesn't behave the way they want them to.

01:29:45.000 So, the Smith Modernization Act was in 2011, and ever since, the narrative coming out of the mainstream media has been the exact narrative that the Democrats want.

01:29:58.000 You had all of the time that Barack Obama was the president basically setting up this apparatus, and then when Donald Trump was elected, The deep state, the entrenched bureaucracy, it was already in place, already prepared to discredit anyone that would try to pull back the power from the federal government.

01:30:20.000 And obviously that's the conservatives.

01:30:23.000 If one of the parties is going to make the government smaller, it is not going to be the Democrats.

01:30:29.000 I'm not trying to That's not the argument that I'm making.

01:30:37.000 But the federal government has been propagandizing the American people in conjunction with Rolling Stone, Teen Vogue, Cosmopolitan, and again, this is something that I brought up on the show before, you will get the same type of Uh, stories in Cosmopolitan, in GQ, in Teen Vogue, in Good Housekeeping, and in probably in maybe not Field and Stream, but I wouldn't be all that surprised because there is no significant difference in opinion because the narrative from almost all the mainstream is the narrative that the federal government wants to be presented to the American people.

01:31:15.000 That's the way that it is, and that's the way that I see it now.

01:31:18.000 Amen, brother.

01:31:19.000 Teen Vogue praising Marx.

01:31:21.000 Yeah!

01:31:21.000 I love it.

01:31:22.000 It's hilarious.

01:31:22.000 Did that actually- that actually happen?

01:31:24.000 That actually happened.

01:31:24.000 What did they say?

01:31:25.000 They were talking about- Was it like a month ago, right?

01:31:27.000 No, it was a long time ago.

01:31:28.000 Oh, okay, okay, okay.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, they put out an article like Marx was misunderstood or something like that.

01:31:33.000 It was actually really, really funny.

01:31:35.000 It's kind of scary, you know, you know, but funny at the same time.

01:31:37.000 Teen Vogue, it's like young women getting fashion advice and information on supporting the proletariat and overthrowing the elites.

01:31:45.000 Is this from 2018?

01:31:48.000 Karl Marx, the famed philosopher and author of the Communist Manifesto, turned 200 years old!

01:31:53.000 Can you imagine calling, like, Goebbels a famed philosopher?

01:31:59.000 Honestly, like, Marx is responsible for millions and millions and dozens of millions.

01:32:05.000 His ideas were responsible for dozens of millions of deaths in the 20th century.

01:32:10.000 At least the word infamous.

01:32:12.000 They should have said the infamous philosopher.

01:32:14.000 No, because they're supporting him.

01:32:15.000 You know what, I'm going to take a stand.

01:32:17.000 Infamous is not enough.

01:32:18.000 Infamous is not enough for me.

01:32:20.000 And he was a terrible guy, too.

01:32:21.000 When you guys were talking about it, I almost chimed in.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, there's a lot.

01:32:27.000 Infamous is how you describe Al Capone.

01:32:29.000 Not somebody whose ideology was the reason for dozens of millions of deaths.

01:32:35.000 Tens of millions of deaths all around the world.

01:32:37.000 Yeah.

01:32:38.000 And it was just the idea that everyone deserves a little bit?

01:32:41.000 It was the idea that man can be perfected.

01:32:44.000 Because you cannot have a utopian society where everybody works and puts in and produces equally and gets out from the government equally.

01:32:55.000 So what the plan was, was to remake man into new socialist man that could be Considered a socialist man that is a social being it was a very popular idea in the late hat late part of the Eighteenth century, I think it was 19th century Yeah, but it was it was Nietzsche was talking about it too because he hadn't liked so he wrote the ubermensch Yeah, the ubermensch the overman Thus spoke Zarathustra was the book but the idea was that

01:33:28.000 You know, Darwin had put out his Origin of Species and people were learning about evolution and starting to understand that.

01:33:36.000 And the idea was we had conquered religion, man had conquered religion, and man now could understand science and we could use science to remake man into the new man that's the modern man that doesn't need all the old It sounds like you're talking about transhumanism.

01:33:55.000 and the old religions and stuff.

01:33:56.000 And it just ends up with people dying en masse because you can't make people not people.

01:34:04.000 It sounds like you're talking about transhumanism.

01:34:06.000 Well, I mean, transhumanism is- You can kind of aim for that, yeah.

01:34:09.000 It is an extension of the same type of ideas.

01:34:12.000 But the point of socialism is to have a socialist world, like a communist world where nobody

01:34:19.000 has anything more than someone else.

01:34:22.000 So the abolishment of class...

01:34:24.000 Right?

01:34:24.000 So the abolishment of property, so that way no one has more than someone else, and everyone has equal things.

01:34:31.000 But the problem is, people have different capabilities, people are born with different attributes, people are taller, people are slower, people are faster, people are... they're infinitely different.

01:34:42.000 So to think that people are going to be able to put in and take out equally is ridiculous.

01:34:49.000 So the effort to make people equal, The only thing you can do is take from the people that succeed.

01:34:57.000 Hold people down.

01:34:58.000 Because if you've got a person that's incapable of doing something, right?

01:35:02.000 Just... Well, that's incapable?

01:35:04.000 You can never make them capable.

01:35:06.000 You have to find the people that are capable and take away their ability.

01:35:09.000 Easiest way to explain it is, you can't make the grass grow, but you can mow the lawn.

01:35:12.000 Yep.

01:35:13.000 That's perfect, yeah.

01:35:14.000 Right.

01:35:14.000 And that's what they do.

01:35:15.000 So, cut off the tall grass.

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01:35:37.000 Alright, I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, I think we can all agree the left is far more extreme than the right.

01:35:43.000 Now that the right seems open to separation, I wonder what the left with their lists want to do.

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01:35:52.000 Alright, we'll grab some more Super Chats.

01:35:54.000 Voice of the People says the federal involvement was exposed with the Proud Boys case.

01:35:58.000 Fifty plus federal informants were found instigating, and judge told the jury they can't use that information to make a decision.

01:36:05.000 Interesting.

01:36:05.000 Hmm.

01:36:06.000 Waffle Sensei says, Tim, in regards to the video from Timcast News that Ron DeSantis said he paid for, it was paid for.

01:36:12.000 Ron DeSantis paid the editing guy to overlay paid for by Ron DeSantis on it.

01:36:16.000 That's actually the argument they are making.

01:36:19.000 High profile individuals with tens of thousands and a million followers are saying, No.

01:36:26.000 Yeah, because if I paid for a billboard and put your picture on it and said, paid for by me, that would be so disingenuous because I didn't pay you for that image.

01:36:37.000 I just took it and used it.

01:36:40.000 It's just our video, and it says paid for, like, it's just our video.

01:36:45.000 Like, what?

01:36:46.000 That's the argument they're making.

01:36:47.000 They're like, well, by adding the text that he paid for it, it is officially true.

01:36:51.000 That they paid for someone to do that.

01:36:52.000 It's like, very circuitous.

01:36:55.000 Like, there's no commentary on it.

01:36:57.000 There's no, like, there's no statement about it.

01:37:00.000 There's no commentary whatsoever.

01:37:01.000 There's not even like a gibberish.

01:37:04.000 So one of the arguments about fair use, this guy took photos from people on Instagram.

01:37:09.000 BLEW THEM UP INTO BIG PORTRAITS AND THEN WROTE A COMMENT UNDERNEATH THAT SAID LIKE, HSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHS In this instance, by all means, you can make the arguments, because people often... You'll always make an argument on fair use.

01:37:33.000 They'll always have to.

01:37:34.000 The point is, they didn't even do that.

01:37:36.000 It's literally just our video, and it says... It's a text of what the people said, and it says, paid for by Sanders.

01:37:42.000 You know, what it reminds me of is the real Donald Trump ad, where it shows fake Donald Trump, but it says real Donald Trump, but it's AI-generated images.

01:37:49.000 That's the thing!

01:37:49.000 It's just misleading.

01:37:51.000 And this seems like it's misleading because they didn't pay you for the clip.

01:37:53.000 And then the response on the deepfake thing was... You think people actually believed that was a real photo?

01:38:00.000 Do I believe?

01:38:01.000 I know people believed it was real.

01:38:02.000 I'm not saying I did, but they're being disingenuous.

01:38:04.000 And they're like, that doesn't mean that they paid you for it, Tim.

01:38:07.000 I'm like, yes, but people think it does because they're texting me, asking me if I sold this to them.

01:38:13.000 So I hit up the Sandus people and I was like, hey guys, why is this happening?

01:38:16.000 And they're like, oh, whoops.

01:38:18.000 Yeah, so my conversation with the actual people who work there were like, let's try and figure something out.

01:38:24.000 I'm like, cool, appreciate it.

01:38:25.000 But the people online are insane.

01:38:28.000 So it's really funny how the end result might be that they reach back out to me and say, yeah, we'll clarify for you, man, and we'll send a license your way or something, a license fee.

01:38:37.000 And then I'm like, cool, really appreciate it.

01:38:39.000 Thanks for the support.

01:38:40.000 And the people online turn it into this nightmarish, psychotic attack.

01:38:44.000 It's like, OK, make yourselves look worse, I guess.

01:38:46.000 Right.

01:38:46.000 All right, we'll grab some more Super Chats.

01:38:49.000 What do we got?

01:38:50.000 Based Jew says, I've been watching your skating clips on Instagram and damn, you have that thing called Diamond Feet.

01:38:56.000 What is that, Diamond Feet?

01:38:58.000 Uh, just a couple of clips.

01:38:59.000 We were filming the other day, I did a no-slide 270 shove, but it's like 120 degrees.

01:39:04.000 I'm not exaggerating.

01:39:05.000 Literally 120 degrees inside the barn.

01:39:07.000 Yeah.

01:39:07.000 Whoa.

01:39:07.000 Yeah, it is.

01:39:08.000 Yeah.

01:39:09.000 Yep, it's just an oven.

01:39:11.000 And so it's like, whenever I would try and do this trick, because I've been trying to do a bunch of things, but it's just, it's brutally hot to try and skate in there, and that's our indoor park, so I'm like, we gotta figure, it's not insulated, so we can't like put AC in it or anything.

01:39:22.000 But in between attempts of the trick, I would have to go outside to breathe because the air was so hot, I couldn't breathe.

01:39:29.000 That's how bad it was.

01:39:31.000 That's not the half-pipe room.

01:39:33.000 No, no, no.

01:39:33.000 That's downstairs.

01:39:35.000 That's cold.

01:39:36.000 I'm still seeing everything.

01:39:37.000 I saw James dropping in on the skate park on Twitter.

01:39:40.000 Real James Kluge.

01:39:41.000 That's right, man.

01:39:42.000 That's right.

01:39:44.000 The small ramp.

01:39:46.000 Oh, cool.

01:39:46.000 Yeah, dropped in successfully.

01:39:48.000 Didn't do much else other than that, but I was proud of that.

01:39:51.000 He didn't die.

01:39:52.000 That's doing a thing, not dying.

01:39:53.000 He didn't die.

01:39:54.000 I didn't die, and I put a helmet on, too, just so you know.

01:39:57.000 All right, Crooked Smile says, Tim, why the hate for Final Fantasy XVI?

01:40:01.000 Was it the gameplay or the story?

01:40:03.000 Please no spoilers, though.

01:40:04.000 The story is the most basic, one-dimensional kind of boring thing, and it's nonsensical.

01:40:12.000 Honestly, it's just really bad.

01:40:14.000 And gameplay?

01:40:16.000 What gameplay? Wasn't it mostly a story? It's mostly cutscenes.

01:40:19.000 Yeah, that's disappointing.

01:40:20.000 I'm not kidding, like the first part of the game, um, it's a dejected storyline, timeline-wise,

01:40:28.000 so it's a bit confusing in that regard, and it's mostly cutscenes.

01:40:32.000 So, mostly cutscenes, and then the most annoying thing is like, in typical video

01:40:38.000 games you have the main quest, and then you have the side quests.

01:40:42.000 Final Fantasy XVI has side quests, but they also force you to do side quests.

01:40:45.000 So there are quests in the main storyline that are absolutely side quests, they make you do, where it's like, you have to run back and forth between two people five times, and I'm like, why?

01:40:55.000 And it's just like, hello Clive.

01:40:58.000 I would like to tell you about what your father once said to me, and I'm like, okay, skip, skip, skip, skip, skip, skip.

01:41:03.000 Then it's like, okay, I must go talk to this guy now about the same thing, and then you run around the building, and you find the guy, and then it's skip, skip, skip, skip, skip.

01:41:09.000 Then it's like, now I must go back and report to Otto what I found, and I'm like, why?

01:41:13.000 Why?

01:41:13.000 I don't want to make a video game like that now just for fun.

01:41:16.000 That, and you play one guy, and I'm just like, man.

01:41:20.000 So, people are saying, yeah, but it's action, it's not turn-based anymore.

01:41:23.000 Dude, Secret of Mana was action RPG.

01:41:26.000 That game is so good.

01:41:27.000 I know, and you switch between the three characters you have, and you can have them do abilities, and it's real-time fighting.

01:41:33.000 There have been a ton of games that are hybrids of real-time and turn-based with multiple characters.

01:41:40.000 This game is just, you go into a fight, and you just mash square.

01:41:44.000 And then you mash square and R1.

01:41:47.000 That's the whole game, the whole time.

01:41:48.000 Final Fantasy's really known for a ton of cutscenes though, right?

01:41:51.000 Like, it'd be maybe a quarter of the game, or half the game even, possibly.

01:41:54.000 Is this one just over the top as well?

01:41:56.000 I think this one's over the top.

01:41:57.000 And it was funny because people were like, Tim, you're in story mode.

01:42:00.000 I am not in story mode, Tim.

01:42:02.000 Like, I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West.

01:42:06.000 So Forbidden West and the expansion Burning Shores came out.

01:42:09.000 I love that game.

01:42:10.000 And it's got a bunch of woke elements that I think are really just annoying, but it's like a good game.

01:42:15.000 How do you defeat the bad guys, like the monsters in this game?

01:42:18.000 It's like, well they're giant robots, so they have weak spots, you gotta knock armor off, you have different

01:42:22.000 weapons of different elements.

01:42:23.000 It's rather complex, and you can formulate different strategies for how you do it.

01:42:26.000 I totally love going for the sharpshot bow, which is like sniper play style.

01:42:30.000 When I play games like Fallout, I prefer, you know, sniper builds over aggression builds, or like tank builds or

01:42:35.000 anything like that.

01:42:36.000 Final Fantasy, it's like, there's one sword you get, you never spend any money.

01:42:42.000 There's no point in having money at all.

01:42:44.000 None.

01:42:45.000 So it's just like, I beat a boss, I go to the forge, upgrade sword.

01:42:49.000 That's it.

01:42:49.000 The only thing you ever do.

01:42:51.000 You get item from boss.

01:42:54.000 The story is so incredibly weak.

01:42:57.000 I just went to look at gameplay footage while you're talking, and the first three I just clicked around randomly on the video, and the first three I went to were all cutscenes.

01:43:04.000 Oh, there's another cutscene.

01:43:05.000 Cutscene?

01:43:05.000 Cutscene.

01:43:06.000 Just cutscene, cutscene.

01:43:07.000 I'm not going to spoil the game, but I still think it's really weak, but I feel like I could have written a better ending.

01:43:15.000 Uh, because the ba- like, and that's not saying a lot.

01:43:18.000 I'm not saying I'm a good writer.

01:43:18.000 I'm saying the ending was so incredibly one-dimensional.

01:43:22.000 Comic book villainy to, like, golden era of, like, I'm the villain!

01:43:25.000 It's like, uh, you're like, okay.

01:43:26.000 What's happened at Disney, it's the same company named Square Enix.

01:43:30.000 It's a company that, it's Square and Enix.

01:43:31.000 They've merged at some point.

01:43:33.000 But it's not the same people that worked there in 1993 that made Final Fantasy, you know, 4, Final Fantasy 6.

01:43:39.000 These, these epic You know, world-changing games.

01:43:43.000 Final Fantasy VII was, like, one of the greatest RPGs ever made.

01:43:46.000 I think I still have one for the Super Nintendo.

01:43:48.000 6, but they called it 3 in the United States.

01:43:50.000 And I have Chrono Trigger, actually, as well.

01:43:53.000 It was a similar guy.

01:43:53.000 That was the same company, Square.

01:43:55.000 That was before they merged with Enix, I think.

01:43:57.000 Chrono Cross wasn't as good.

01:43:59.000 Secret of Mana was multiplayer!

01:44:00.000 And then, uh... That was one of the great... It was like, someone else could control the other player.

01:44:04.000 And then they, uh, I don't think Seiken Densetsu came out in the United States, but that was the next Secret of Mana.

01:44:09.000 There were multiple games.

01:44:10.000 I think we only got one.

01:44:11.000 Um, I liked Secret of Evermore.

01:44:13.000 It was very similar.

01:44:14.000 These are action RPGs.

01:44:15.000 This is all SNES, right?

01:44:16.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:44:17.000 Yeah.

01:44:17.000 The other stuff you're talking about is probably on Super Famicom.

01:44:20.000 Yeah, because they didn't come out in the United States, but, you know, we got them.

01:44:22.000 We got them.

01:44:23.000 Because I love Secret of Mana so much.

01:44:25.000 You got the ROMS!

01:44:25.000 All right, let's read some more.

01:44:26.000 We got Soulnator who says, Phil, have you heard Anne Berlin's new EP?

01:44:29.000 It's beautiful and gritty.

01:44:31.000 Steven has such a unique voice and I would highly recommend it.

01:44:34.000 Great work, Tim.

01:44:34.000 No Luke, I puke.

01:44:35.000 No Hannah Clare, I burn my hair.

01:44:37.000 Well, all right.

01:44:38.000 Have you heard the new EP?

01:44:39.000 I have not heard it, but I'll take a listen.

01:44:41.000 Anne Berlin's a good band.

01:44:42.000 Right on.

01:44:42.000 Cool.

01:44:44.000 Let's grab some more Super Chats.

01:44:47.000 What is this?

01:44:48.000 Luke MP says, Tim, please shout out my neighbor, Nicole Howell's GoFundMe.

01:44:53.000 It won't let me share a link.

01:44:54.000 She's been battling cancer and they are struggling to pay medical bills and their rent.

01:44:57.000 God bless.

01:44:58.000 Love you, Ian.

01:45:00.000 Let's see.

01:45:00.000 I'm going to look this up.

01:45:01.000 Nicole.

01:45:02.000 Hopefully, uh, I'm trying to type in Nicole Howell GoFundMe and see if I can find it.

01:45:09.000 Uh, Nicole's.

01:45:10.000 Is it Nicole's medical and everyday expenses?

01:45:13.000 Nice.

01:45:14.000 Perhaps.

01:45:14.000 I just think, you know, you never know, because there could be like a bunch of different people, but I searched for it, and it says she has breast cancer, and I don't know who this person is, but I'll probably donate to them anyway, because they have cancer.

01:45:23.000 But yeah, shout out.

01:45:24.000 Hopefully, you know, look, guys, this is kind of why I'm more on the universal health care camp of things, because it's like, I just don't think the, hey, I'm dying, go fund me to support me is the way we should handle it.

01:45:36.000 But I understand it's a fair point that this is a private market where people can choose to support someone if they want.

01:45:41.000 You know, so forcing people to donate isn't the appropriate approach, but I kind of lean towards, like, I don't know if, you know, like, someone's dying so we go to GoFundMe to try and save their life is the right way we handle things.

01:45:51.000 Also, a lot of these companies in the United States, they're using us to make their money so they can give negotiated and affordable prices to other countries as well.

01:46:00.000 So we just get the short end of the stick in every way, shape, and form.

01:46:05.000 Yeah, why should GoFundMe get paid because someone's got cancer?

01:46:09.000 Yeah, you'd think the American Medical Association would have a donation process or something like that at this point.

01:46:15.000 I mean, maybe.

01:46:15.000 No fees, or the American government would allow for it.

01:46:18.000 The thing is, it doesn't matter what the thing is, GoFundMe's taking 30%.

01:46:22.000 No, they don't take that much.

01:46:24.000 Is it less?

01:46:25.000 Is it way less?

01:46:25.000 Depending on what it's for, I believe they take a smaller percentage, if any percentage at all.

01:46:29.000 So if it's for cancer treatment, I'm pretty sure they have something for lower.

01:46:33.000 I don't mind GoFundMe as it is.

01:46:35.000 Giftsend goes the better one.

01:46:36.000 They take 2.9% plus 30 cents.

01:46:40.000 And some of that's unavoidable.

01:46:42.000 You used to charge 5%.

01:46:44.000 With our members, no matter what you do, a cut is taken by credit cards.

01:46:50.000 Excuse me.

01:46:52.000 Drew Outstanding in Field says, God's children are not for sale.

01:46:56.000 Hill, I'm willing to die on.

01:46:57.000 Hear, hear.

01:46:58.000 And that's what I was saying about the movie Sign of Freedom is like, even if you're an atheist, you understand the concept of what it means to say God's children.

01:47:05.000 The idea that the media is like, this is a Christian film, it's like, dude.

01:47:09.000 You don't need to be Christian to understand the concept of God's children just means in general the children of the world, the children of humanity, you know.

01:47:17.000 I understand Christians probably mean it much more literally, but I'm saying like the ideas in the film don't need religion behind them for us to agree that they're bad things.

01:47:25.000 But apparently for Rolling Stone and a lot of these companies, man, they really...

01:47:29.000 How many religious movies as well get the stamp of approval from, you know, all these elite media companies and Hollywood and everything like that?

01:47:37.000 I mean, you could, you know, be listing that off for a day.

01:47:42.000 But for this one, I think it's particularly offensive to them just because of the issue that it's focused on.

01:47:48.000 Yep.

01:47:49.000 I don't know.

01:47:49.000 Well, I think it infringes upon their predilections.

01:47:53.000 Right.

01:47:53.000 You know, so that, you know, we can't, Hollywood can't be, uh, you know, is it, is it people, someone, someone commented, like Tim's waking up or something in reference to me saying this and I'm like, dude, I'm pretty sure everybody knows for like a very long time that Hollywood has been abusing children.

01:48:06.000 Yeah.

01:48:06.000 Like this accusation has been around for like a decade or longer probably, but they've been prominent for around that long.

01:48:12.000 Yeah.

01:48:13.000 How old is Corey Haim?

01:48:15.000 Right.

01:48:15.000 Corey Haim's dead.

01:48:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:48:16.000 Seriously, 50?

01:48:17.000 I'd love to have him over.

01:48:19.000 Let's grab some more Super Chats!

01:48:20.000 Feldman, Feldman, Corey Haim's dead.

01:48:21.000 Corey Haim's dead, yeah.

01:48:22.000 Oh yeah, Corey Feldman is dead.

01:48:23.000 But I saw that, when Corey Feldman put that documentary out, I paid to watch it.

01:48:27.000 Fucked up.

01:48:28.000 We'll grab some more here.

01:48:30.000 Hmusic197 says, the best part of Corinne Jean-Pierre's statement is that the Biden family left the White House at around 6.30 p.m.

01:48:37.000 on Friday.

01:48:38.000 So and she's like, they're not here on Friday.

01:48:39.000 It's like, well, you know, they were most of the day.

01:48:41.000 It's just lies.

01:48:43.000 It's all just lies.

01:48:44.000 All right, Servie Rose says, My conspiracy theory.

01:48:48.000 Since it's cocaine and not crack, I bet Jill Biden asked the Secret Service to plant the cocaine in the White House just to see how Hunter would respond.

01:48:54.000 Dr. Feelgood.

01:48:56.000 Jill.

01:48:56.000 We can call her Dr. Feelgood now.

01:49:01.000 Andrew Ho says, Dan Bongino gave a great short breakdown saying it had to be a protectee to bypass security in the White House.

01:49:09.000 He should know being Secret Service on presidential detail for Bush Jr.

01:49:13.000 and Obama.

01:49:14.000 Exactly.

01:49:15.000 Because I was saying this too.

01:49:16.000 I was like, someone who doesn't need to go through the normal screening process.

01:49:20.000 And I'm just some guy.

01:49:21.000 Then Dan Bongino said basically, I'm like, hey, look at him.

01:49:24.000 He knows better than me.

01:49:24.000 He was actually there.

01:49:26.000 So, you know, take his word for it.

01:49:30.000 Where are we at?

01:49:31.000 Also, if they're changing their story like three times before you get any level of truth, there's something wrong.

01:49:39.000 Clint Torres says, wasn't there already a show called My Son Hunter?

01:49:42.000 I don't know.

01:49:44.000 Huh.

01:49:47.000 We will grab more.

01:49:47.000 It was a movie with, um, wasn't it?

01:49:50.000 My Son Hunter with Robert Davi, right?

01:49:53.000 Yes.

01:49:53.000 There was a movie that came out called My Son Hunter.

01:49:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:56.000 John James.

01:49:57.000 Jackie says, the show should be called The Wilmington Hillbillies.

01:50:00.000 Hunter is Jethro, Naomi is Daisy Mae, Jill as the spinster from the bank.

01:50:05.000 The Wilmington Hillbillies.

01:50:07.000 There you go.

01:50:09.000 Assyria says the Koch will be blamed on Kamala. She resigns.

01:50:12.000 Enter Newsom.

01:50:13.000 Then impeach Biden. Enter Newsom. 2024 turns into Newsom re-election.

01:50:17.000 Too circuitous, you know?

01:50:19.000 What, you don't think he's gonna run?

01:50:21.000 I do. But the idea that they impeach Kamala, appoint Newsom, then impeach Biden so Newsom becomes president is just

01:50:29.000 absurd.

01:50:30.000 Um, well, yeah, that's too many levels there.

01:50:32.000 You'd have to find a straighter path than that.

01:50:35.000 Silver Knight says RFK Jr.

01:50:37.000 will be the biggest bait-and-switch in history.

01:50:38.000 Don't drink the Kool-Aid, he's still a Democrat.

01:50:40.000 When he runs against Trump, the media and all the Democrats will fall right behind him.

01:50:44.000 I wonder if that's the same for DeSantis, too.

01:50:48.000 It's the zealotry that really gets me.

01:50:50.000 The people I resonated a lot with during the Trump years was, stop making me defend Trump.

01:50:56.000 Because in 2018 and 2019, I'm just like, I'm not voting for this guy, I'm not a big fan, but seriously, that's a lie, okay?

01:51:04.000 I'm critical of the guy over, the economy is doing well, but that's not true.

01:51:08.000 And there were a lot of people I knew who were like that, and Trump supporters were respectful of that position.

01:51:12.000 Overwhelmingly, they were like, we get it, as long as you're telling the truth.

01:51:15.000 Now you have the DeSantis people who are acting just like Democrats.

01:51:19.000 Twisting, lying, smearing, and playing dirty manipulative games.

01:51:22.000 I don't have anything to do with that.

01:51:23.000 And they're doing it to RFK too, so... Yeah, if you think he's a Trojan horse, check out that Lex Friedman interview with him and see if you still think that after an hour.

01:51:33.000 Sorry, I was just going to say, I think what a lot of people are criticizing is like, oh, stop fawning over him because he's still a liberal.

01:51:38.000 But I think, to Tim's point, or just in general, I think a lot of Trump supporters don't really care about that that much.

01:51:45.000 If you're anti-establishment, we kind of got something in common there.

01:51:48.000 Yeah.

01:51:48.000 Trump was a liberal Democrat in the early days anyway.

01:51:51.000 No one cared about the party.

01:51:51.000 It was kind of throwing my mind that he was Democrat on the Democrat ticket.

01:51:57.000 Didn't really see that after reading some of his books and stuff.

01:52:01.000 RFK?

01:52:01.000 Well, yeah, but gun control stuff in the past.

01:52:03.000 Yeah, I guess I didn't read enough.

01:52:05.000 He's running as a Democrat for a reason, or at least aligning that way.

01:52:10.000 I dig the fact that the establishment doesn't like him, but that's where the stuff that I like about RFK stops.

01:52:19.000 All of his policies, I don't find anything that's liberty focused.

01:52:24.000 There's a lot of talk about the Libertarian Party because he went to Porkfest and he spoke up there and it's like, he's not a libertarian.

01:52:33.000 So if you're a conservative or if you're small government minded, that's not Kennedy at all.

01:52:41.000 All right, the Moffinator says, it's almost as if Tim, a man who makes his living and runs companies around making media content, would understand how copyright laws work.

01:52:48.000 Absolutely.

01:52:49.000 In fact, not only that, but I actually made an app with a buddy of mine 10 years ago called Taggly, which we got to bring back.

01:52:57.000 So, you know, Isaac, I hit you up.

01:52:59.000 We got to bring the app back.

01:53:00.000 What the app does is it's a camera app.

01:53:03.000 And when you take a picture, it instantly includes time, date, location, and custom text.

01:53:09.000 You can customize what appears, so you can make it so that it only shows the date, only shows location, only shows custom text, or for some reason none, which you already have a camera so you don't need to, and it works on video as well.

01:53:19.000 So you'd record a video, save, and then it would instantly render the video within the bottom left corner, the, you know, time, date, location, and all that stuff.

01:53:29.000 So we gotta bring that back.

01:53:30.000 The point of that, it also, one of the components that was in the works was it would create what is effectively these days a cryptographic key.

01:53:38.000 At the time we were all excited about this technology where it would create a digital fingerprint which would be unique to the photo and it's like effectively an NFT.

01:53:43.000 And the intent was that A reporter on the ground who takes a photo or video would have definitive proof and the means of stamping their videos instantly.

01:53:54.000 There are apps where you can pull a photo in, drag text over, type in what you want, and then press render.

01:53:59.000 You can't do that when you're on the ground filming stuff.

01:54:02.000 So we do want to bring this back, but my point is this.

01:54:04.000 Not only do I know how copyright law works, I have successfully sent cease and desist letters and gotten content taken down from people who have stolen my works.

01:54:14.000 I've been doing this for 10 years.

01:54:16.000 I've gotten paid.

01:54:16.000 I had one major network send me several checks for using my footage without permission.

01:54:22.000 And it is really simple.

01:54:24.000 Often they'll use your footage.

01:54:25.000 You'll send a letter saying, thank you for using my footage, however, you require a license.

01:54:30.000 They respond with, how much?

01:54:31.000 You say, here's my standard rate because you didn't give permission.

01:54:34.000 I would like X. They say, no problem, sir.

01:54:37.000 The check is on its way.

01:54:38.000 It's usually resolved very, very easily.

01:54:39.000 That's right.

01:54:40.000 What people don't understand about fair use is they're like, I can take any news footage I want and just use it.

01:54:46.000 Okay.

01:54:47.000 You can't take documentary footage from Netflix and just upload it to Twitter.

01:54:51.000 You can, in some circumstances, fair use this.

01:54:56.000 Fair use is always copyright infringement, and you can always be taken to court over it, and then you need to justify why it was fair use.

01:55:03.000 There is one big limit to fair use when it comes to news.

01:55:07.000 Did the person produce the content specifically for the purpose of licensing out?

01:55:12.000 And if the answer is yes, there's no fair use.

01:55:15.000 Sorry.

01:55:16.000 Getty, Corbis, which was purchased by Getty, and these other big libraries, you can't take a stock video from Getty and say, but it's fair use.

01:55:27.000 But AI can.

01:55:29.000 No, they're getting sued over this.

01:55:30.000 I hope so.

01:55:31.000 So, I'll give you an example.

01:55:33.000 There are many photographers who tweet out their photos.

01:55:36.000 And then license them to major news networks.

01:55:38.000 You will be sued in two seconds if you touch that photo.

01:55:42.000 Two seconds.

01:55:43.000 Because even though they published it on Twitter, they expect to sell a license for it.

01:55:48.000 If it was true that you could fair use anyone's news footage, raw footage, there would be no independent or freelance reporters.

01:55:57.000 They couldn't exist.

01:55:58.000 Because anything you put out would instantly just get used under fair use.

01:56:02.000 There are arguments to be made over what the limits are, so direct commentary on things that are public do have strong protections.

01:56:13.000 My point, ultimately, with the copyright thing, DeSantis, is I'm not even literally saying that they should have paid me.

01:56:17.000 I'm just saying, like, we didn't do that arrangement with them.

01:56:19.000 That was the clarification, but there you go.

01:56:21.000 I love talking about copyright stuff.

01:56:23.000 I have been in many legal circumstances.

01:56:25.000 Typically, they never go to lawsuits, and usually, they're resolved with a, no problem, man.

01:56:30.000 Hey, sorry this happened, and, you know, everyone's really nice about it, and they just write you a check.

01:56:34.000 So, anyway, moving on.

01:56:37.000 We'll grab some more Super Chats.

01:56:39.000 RDC says Vivek is awesome, but if he got in there, I believe he would be sucker-punched by how bad the corruption actually is, and be roadblocked like Trump was in 2016.

01:56:53.000 I somewhat agree, but I don't completely agree.

01:56:57.000 I do think he will face unexpected conflict, but I think he would not act the same way.

01:57:04.000 I think Vivek would handle it very, very well.

01:57:07.000 If you heard his story, if you watched the Culture War podcast we did with him, this is a man on a mission.

01:57:12.000 They besmirched his good name and honor when he tried doing everything right.

01:57:17.000 Basically, his story was that they wanted him to write some pro-BLM thing, and he wrote this fairly, like, hey, I hope we can come together and overcome this stuff.

01:57:25.000 Then they came to him and said, no, that wasn't good enough, do more.

01:57:27.000 And he was like, I'm doing it.

01:57:30.000 Why are you coming at me?

01:57:31.000 Then they started attacking him relentlessly.

01:57:34.000 People started resigning.

01:57:35.000 And then he was like, we've got a very serious problem here.

01:57:39.000 And so it seems like two things happened.

01:57:42.000 He recognizes this crisis in the United States when it comes to ESG and wokeness.

01:57:46.000 And he was personally offended.

01:57:48.000 So I don't think he's gonna go into the White House if he does, which I think is a long shot, if to say even a long shot.

01:57:55.000 I don't think he goes in and falls in the same traps as Trump because Trump thought he was gonna be able to compromise and be a typical president.

01:58:00.000 But I do think Vivek will experience things he doesn't expect because he's not a politician.

01:58:04.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 We will grab some more Super Jets.

01:58:08.000 Nuka Taco says, Phil, every presidential election has been a popularity contest, not just JFK.

01:58:13.000 George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, just to name a few.

01:58:18.000 That's right.

01:58:19.000 Yeah, I know.

01:58:19.000 Did George Washington run against somebody?

01:58:22.000 My point about... You were talking about the show, the kind of... Yeah, just the way that people saw, when people can see the actual people that are running, like, on a wide, you know, a broad... It was like the introduction of entertainment to politics.

01:58:39.000 Yeah, spectacle, for sure.

01:58:41.000 You saw at stump speeches way back in the day, too.

01:58:43.000 Everyone there was, you know...

01:58:45.000 It used to be about, like, you'd read about what they said in the newspaper.

01:58:47.000 That was the majority of... But considering our presidents are at least somewhat democratically elected, they are almost all going to be popularity contests because the popular one is going to probably get most of the votes.

01:59:03.000 Ian, I have to read this one.

01:59:04.000 PK says, Ian, have you ever went the wrong direction on the interstate, and when you realized it, you just kept going?

01:59:10.000 No.

01:59:12.000 Oh my gosh.

01:59:13.000 I think I did that on a road once, but pulled off.

01:59:18.000 I'm glad you pulled off.

01:59:19.000 Yeah, but Trump says, I actually believe that Joe Rogan could humiliate Trump, but not for lack of trying.

01:59:24.000 It's a Donald Trump thing, not a Joe Rogan thing.

01:59:28.000 Yeah, I don't like it either.

01:59:29.000 I don't like the humiliation.

01:59:30.000 But that's politics, man.

01:59:32.000 See, the issue is... Let me explain something to you guys.

01:59:36.000 Imagine a high school class.

01:59:39.000 And somebody farts.

01:59:41.000 Then someone else goes, Yo!

01:59:43.000 He farted!

01:59:44.000 He's like, No I didn't!

01:59:45.000 No I didn't!

01:59:45.000 And then everyone starts laughing at the guy who farted, right?

01:59:47.000 Now imagine the guy who goes, hey everybody, check this out, lifts his cheek up, goes really loudly, and then everyone goes, oh, he starts busting out laughing, being like, smell my fart.

01:59:56.000 You see, the difference is the guy who tries to hide it is embarrassed it happened.

02:00:00.000 The other guy is subjecting you to it.

02:00:02.000 That's how I see Trump.

02:00:04.000 Trump is the guy who subjects you to his fart and laughs about it.

02:00:07.000 Seriously.

02:00:08.000 As opposed to the guy who secretly tries to hide it and says, it wasn't me, oh no, I'm so embarrassed.

02:00:12.000 So, like, how do you make fun of a guy?

02:00:13.000 One of us is certainly more confident.

02:00:14.000 Exactly.

02:00:15.000 Yeah.

02:00:15.000 How do you make fun of the guy who's wafting it over at you and being like, revel in it, there's nothing you can do about it.

02:00:21.000 You can't mock him for it, he loves it!

02:00:22.000 Yeah, that's why I go dirty.

02:00:25.000 Does it get dirtier than fart jokes?

02:00:27.000 Yeah, I go at their family life and like, try and really hurt their feelings, like really hurt their emotions.

02:00:33.000 But I only had to do it as a young kid because my friends were brutal to me, like growing up, they'd be like, trying to dominate, you know, and I'm like, I'm not gonna let you do that, man.

02:00:42.000 The reason you're doing it is because you came from a broken home.

02:00:44.000 So stop.

02:00:46.000 Alright, we'll grab one more.

02:00:48.000 Warboss Badsmack says, Tim, recommend you try a game called Remnant from the Ashes.

02:00:53.000 Basically Dark Souls, but with tree monsters and guns.

02:00:56.000 We'll check it out.

02:00:57.000 Alright everybody, if you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, become a member at TimCast.com.

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02:01:35.000 Hillary Clinton is the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of rot.

02:01:41.000 What a line.

02:01:42.000 I love it.

02:01:43.000 Personification of rot.

02:01:45.000 I thought it was worse than just that.

02:01:46.000 It's so good.

02:01:47.000 I am Phil LaBonte.

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02:01:52.000 You can find us on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, Pandora, you know, the internet.

02:01:59.000 And in case anyone's wondering, that was a Tulsi Gabbard quote that you were quoting.

02:02:02.000 Not necessarily your quote, but I don't know if you agree with it or not.

02:02:05.000 I definitely agree.

02:02:05.000 In reference to Hillary Clinton, I do agree.

02:02:07.000 You heard it here first, folks.

02:02:09.000 Also, I want to give a special shout out to Suikoden.

02:02:11.000 You guys ever play that game?

02:02:12.000 It was another Square game back in the day.

02:02:15.000 Suikoden 2.

02:02:16.000 Great game.

02:02:17.000 Awesome game.

02:02:18.000 Do you remember what console?

02:02:19.000 It was Super Nintendo.

02:02:20.000 No, actually, it might have been on the PlayStation.

02:02:22.000 It was on PlayStation.

02:02:22.000 PlayStation?

02:02:23.000 Yeah.

02:02:23.000 Badass.

02:02:24.000 And also, maybe, uh, casprew.com.

02:02:26.000 Obviously, we should do a coffee taste test some night.

02:02:29.000 Have little snifters of a bunch of different coffees and sip, sip.

02:02:33.000 I had Roberto Jr.

02:02:33.000 this morning, and it's like, when I was drinking the Appalachian Nights, I was like, this is the best coffee ever.

02:02:38.000 And then this morning, we switched to Roberto Jr., and I was like, oh, this is the best coffee ever.

02:02:41.000 Here we go.

02:02:42.000 Casprew.com.

02:02:43.000 I'm Ian Crossland.

02:02:44.000 Oh.

02:02:45.000 I just- I just- I sincerely mean it.

02:02:47.000 Like, I can't help but just shug this coffee.

02:02:51.000 I- I haven't tried it yet.

02:02:52.000 Um, I'm definitely gonna be trying it, though.

02:02:53.000 Yeah, I gotta- I'm gonna back-to-back some straight black coffee.

02:02:56.000 And, uh, the Sleepy Joe and the Unwoke are coming really, really soon.

02:03:00.000 Oh, then we'll do the taste test when those arrive.

02:03:01.000 That sounds fun.

02:03:02.000 Bye guys, I'm Ian Crossland.

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02:03:06.000 Yeah, you guys can follow me at Kellan PDL.

02:03:08.000 I want to give a quick shout out.

02:03:09.000 Last Friday we had a super chat come through of a TimCast community member that's coming out with a video game.

02:03:14.000 Well that game came out today on Steam called Drag the Dead.

02:03:17.000 So go support another community member of TimCast.

02:03:21.000 And I think it's better than like GoFundMe because you get something out of it.

02:03:23.000 You get to play a game.

02:03:24.000 So that came out today on Steam, Drag the Dead.

02:03:26.000 Awesome.

02:03:27.000 Thanks guys.

02:03:28.000 Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out.

Timcast IRL - Tim Pool - July 07, 2023

Timcast IRL - Tucker Says He Was Fired JUST BEFORE Exposing FEDS At Jan 6th Riot w-James Klug

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