On this week's episode of the podcast, we talk about the latest in the Elon Musk saga, AOC's campaign scandal, and the Trump 2020 campaign. Plus, a billionaire says the end is nigh, and inflation is on the horizon.
00:00:46.000People start building faith in the platform that it's going to fix things.
00:00:50.000Then he sells off his stock and jumps ship.
00:00:51.000I'm not entirely convinced, though, because apparently Elon actually called the Babylon Bee, asked them about their suspension, and then said, I might need to buy Twitter.
00:01:00.000So I think Elon will try to make some positive changes.
00:01:03.000It probably won't be that much, though.
00:01:05.000I can't imagine him bringing back Alex Jones or anyone else.
00:01:08.000And apparently Twitter is saying it's not going to happen.
00:01:51.000AOC is also embroiled in a scandal where apparently her campaign was funneling a million dollars to two packs and not documenting what they were doing.
00:01:58.000And the FEC Dismissed the complaint, waited a month, and then released the information saying, oh yeah, the complaint was correct though.
00:02:08.000I'll be careful to describe what she was doing, but funneling money to other organizations without tracking it, Which, you know, I guess you can call dark money or, as some have said, illegal.
00:02:22.000The organization that sued said that there have been many other people that have charges against them for way less than what AOC did.
00:04:02.000So every single time that woke progressive clicks that button or submits that form or helps facilitate Twitter in any way, they are putting money in the pocket of Elon Musk.
00:04:13.000And it was amazing to see the Substack vice president tweeted out that they're hiring and that disgruntled, triggered Twitter employees need not apply.
00:04:31.000I upload a new one every single Thursday, sometimes on Tuesdays, and I'm happy to do the show.
00:04:35.000Also, I love the idea of these Twitter employees being like, you know, we can't just let some powerful tech billionaire decide what can be said on the internet.
00:05:19.000We're gonna have one of those episodes up tonight.
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00:05:39.000Let's get into that first story from the Daily Mail Bad news.
00:05:43.000Twitter says it will not reinstate Trump despite Elon Musk vowing significant change to woke platform after taking a board seat with 9% stake.
00:05:51.000But this also means there's going to be no Alex Jones, no Milo Yiannopoulos.
00:05:57.000Twitter said it has no plans to reverse any policy decisions and is committed to impartiality in the development and enforcement of its policies and rules.
00:06:06.000That being said, Okay, they say our policy decisions are not determined by the board or shareholders and we have no plans to reverse any policy decisions.
00:06:14.000As always, our board plays an important advisory and feedback role across the entirety of our service.
00:06:19.000Our day-to-day operations and decisions are made by Twitter management and its employees.
00:06:24.000They can say that, but I'm not entirely convinced.
00:06:27.000Because I do think, with a 9.2% share, Elon Musk has substantial weight.
00:06:33.000A lot of people are pointing out, I can't remember the guy's name, they said someone, was it Ryan Cohen?
00:06:37.000He bought a stake in GameStop and then got a position on the board or something like that, I'm not entirely sure.
00:06:42.000But people are saying, look, even though it's not a controlling share, it's not 50%, it scared them enough to give Elon what he wanted in terms of a seat at the table.
00:06:51.000And part of that arrangement with Elon says he can't buy in any way more than 14.9% of the company.
00:06:58.000So I think they're scared of a pump and dump.
00:07:00.000I think they're scared he's going to get too much power.
00:07:02.000And I think Elon might actually have an impact on this platform.
00:07:08.000At the very least, if they listen to what the man has to say, he's going to make all of them much more wealthy.
00:07:14.000And if they don't, well, then they can... I mean, the dudes, whatever he's touching is turning to gold, right?
00:07:19.000With Tesla, SpaceX, and all that stuff.
00:07:21.000Yeah, he's doing a great job with all those things.
00:08:41.000I don't know if anything good is going to happen from this, but boy is everything just so boring.
00:08:45.000He's also had a lot of back and forth on the platform with Jack Dorsey, which I think has been so interesting, because Dorsey the other day apologized.
00:09:26.000I hope this isn't just an expensive way to make sure that he doesn't get banned off the platform.
00:09:29.000He's thinking, as long as I have almost 10% stake, they're definitely not going to ban me off the platform.
00:09:34.000I have a lot of thoughts on this because as we're seeing different social media platforms emerge and then others become old and kind of useless.
00:09:41.000I'm not sure that same thing will happen with Twitter.
00:09:43.000I see some of these old social media companies try to stay relevant one way or another.
00:09:47.000Facebook by buying Instagram and doing their new meta thing.
00:09:50.000But now we're kind of seeing how TikTok kind of took them all over very quickly.
00:09:54.000But at the same time, I'm ambivalent because as you guys know, Trump just started Truth Social and that fell flat on its face.
00:10:00.000So if there's no way which way to go, And while he might be a better alternative than, say, Jack Dorsey or Parag, the current CEO.
00:10:11.000Yeah, but that influence will be good there, but also I think we need to be critical of Elon Musk.
00:10:18.000I'm extremely hawkish when it comes to China, and they just opened a bunch of factories in China, and many companies in China are at the whim of the Chinese government.
00:10:26.000He's praised them also like awkwardly as well because he also praises American values, too So I don't know if he's a businessman just trying to play into both sides also Tencent a Chinese company has a 5% stake in Tesla So there's a lot of different loans and influence there something to keep an eye on but better than the alternative The thing with Truth Social is it didn't offer anything new to the concept of social media.
00:10:53.000Like, yeah, the point of Truth Social was to try to sign up and see what Trump says.
00:10:57.000And I still just get his little statements in my email.
00:10:59.000But that's the thing about the new social media platforms, right?
00:11:03.000Getter and Truth Social, whatever else you want to throw in there, they're not doing anything disruptive to the industry and there needs to be a disruptive influence for it to have any hold.
00:11:11.000Like TikTok did a new thing, whether you like it or not.
00:11:21.000We need social media platforms that everyone wants to use, but which also won't ban conservatives.
00:11:25.000And so these sort of market themselves, and it might be cynical, they might understand they're actually selling a niche product to people by giving them the hope that it'll turn into something more, but ultimately it just gets filled with conservatives, regular people who don't have any kind of political bench, or people on the left are still using Twitter or Instagram, and it doesn't really get us anywhere.
00:11:44.000Also, I don't think these other social media alternatives are actually free speech platforms like they claim to be.
00:11:49.000I think it was Gab, but there's a couple of other like Twitter wannabes who do have a direction.
00:11:53.000They're not, I'm not a free speech absolutist.
00:11:55.000You can't have every single thing on your feed all the time.
00:11:58.000The gore, the other stuff that we don't need to get into.
00:12:02.000But these, they call themselves free speech, but there's something different.
00:12:05.000So everybody has their own version of what they want to call free speech.
00:12:09.000Gab has as close as you can get, but even they don't allow docs in.
00:12:17.000Weren't you not even allowed to talk trash about some people?
00:12:20.000I forgot the exact examples, but... No, Gab is kind of wild.
00:12:22.000Gab, you know, their policy is if the First Amendment allows it.
00:12:26.000And then I said, yeah, but the First Amendment does allow doxxing.
00:12:28.000And he's like, well, there is an exception.
00:12:30.000Now, that's still an interesting point because there was a great conversation that happened to Tucker Carlson a couple of years ago where someone said, you know, Tucker was talking about censorship and free speech and hate speech.
00:12:39.000And they said, Tucker, would you allow someone on your show to say a bunch of racial slurs?
00:12:44.000He's like, exactly, because you have policies for your platform.
00:12:48.000Now the issue there is, while I agree we don't like racists, Fox News, Tucker Carlson's show, is his show where he has a space for one guest to come and sit down, and of course he can curate that.
00:12:58.000Twitter is claiming to be this open public forum that has actually taken over the town center.
00:13:03.000In that case, Yeah, we shouldn't all be just the arbiters of truth and morality determining who is or isn't allowed to speak.
00:14:02.000And so I'm walking and it just like falls and you hear it go.
00:14:05.000And I'm just like, this is a stupid thing.
00:14:08.000We were talking about something important a moment ago.
00:14:12.000I do think though that, I mean, we're talking about Trump and Trump being on platforms and Twitter says they have no plans to put him back on, but that doesn't mean they won't at some point.
00:14:22.000Can you imagine if Trump was back on Twitter?
00:16:28.000Your parents should encourage you to do arts and sports and all that stuff.
00:16:32.000What they should encourage you to do is like, I don't know, take chemicals that permanently alter your body when you're too young.
00:16:37.000They shouldn't kill their grandchildren before you've even had your first sexual experience.
00:16:41.000Well, I think this one's particularly simple.
00:16:44.000You wouldn't give a little girl breast implants to affirm her sexuality.
00:16:47.000You wouldn't give a little boy breast implants either.
00:16:49.000I don't understand why there's even a difference.
00:16:50.000My son once asked me what I would say if he told me he wanted to wear nail polish to school, and I told him that I would say absolutely not.
00:16:56.000And then I was like, ask me what I would say if you were a girl.
00:17:00.000And I was like, you would also not be allowed to wear nail polish to school.
00:17:25.000Cassie Nick Rumbaugh, a data scientist, is among the employees and contractors very upset, saying, a prominent transphobe buying a large stake in Twitter is not at all funny.
00:17:39.000I'm honestly kind of terrified right now.
00:17:42.000You see, the, the reason why I don't respect you, Cassie, because you literally have nothing to fear because Elon Musk isn't going to do anything to you.
00:17:50.000Not only not, I mean, we're sitting here being like, I doubt Elon will actually even get anything done.
00:17:54.000And you're like, I'm terrified of what?
00:17:56.000Of some guy who lives far away from you.
00:17:59.000You've never met before who was going to do nothing.
00:18:00.000I just, you know, I'd be more worried about, I'm more worried about a wasp coming through the window.
00:18:06.000Because sometimes those WAFs, they climb through the edge of the window.
00:18:29.000Once a year, he'll come in and vote on stuff.
00:18:31.000And the day-to-day operations will be run by other people.
00:18:33.000He's going to be one guy voting on the board.
00:18:36.000He's not going to be able to do anything dramatic.
00:18:37.000He's going to go to the other investment companies and say, look, if you want this to make more money and you want to fix the platform, you've got to give a little bit back.
00:19:42.000Yeah, that's really the interesting thing, too, is why would you migrate over to these other platforms?
00:19:47.000You know, the thing with Facebook, I keep wanting to get rid of Facebook, but my whole family chat is on Facebook, and so it's like if I want to know when the reunion is, I have to Stay on Facebook and find out.
00:19:58.000But I do think that it's key to have something new, like you guys are talking about.
00:20:03.000If you're going to invent something new in an existing space, you have to have a reason for it.
00:20:10.000And none of these reasons, these are like ideological reasons, but they're not operational or aesthetic reasons.
00:20:16.000Yeah, well it's hilarious because oftentimes conservatives will look at something that the left has completely dominated and they'll go, oh man, the left created this new thing that they then ended up exerting disproportionate control on.
00:20:30.000By inventing a new thing, you then exert a disproportionate amount of control, and that control can be in favor of free speech rather than banning left-wing people, but they completely missed the point because, as you said, what we need is innovation.
00:20:41.000Yeah, and I think also Zuckerberg and Dorsey probably didn't start off as leftists.
00:20:45.000I mean, the default, as they were coming up and doing whatever they were doing and going to school, the default was leftism.
00:20:53.000So that was their moral being already.
00:20:54.000Zuckerberg used to talk about freedom.
00:20:56.000Why does anybody want to be on Twitter?
00:20:58.000Why does anybody want to be on Twitter?
00:20:59.000For what reason do you want to be on Twitter?
00:21:01.000To hurt other people's feelings or maybe have your feelings hurt.
00:21:08.000The only reason conservatives want to be on the platform is because Twitter is the space where prominent politicians, personalities, journalists are sharing ideas.
00:21:19.000The problem is the left has no interest in conservatives or libertarians or post-liberals for that matter, so there's literally nothing you gain from being on the platform other than talking to people who already agree with you.
00:21:29.000The left can go on Twitter and say something.
00:21:36.000That is kind of interesting, isn't it?
00:21:37.000So there's literally no benefit to anyone associated with libertarianism, civil libertarianism, true liberalism, not the woke garbage.
00:21:47.000There's no reason to be on the platform.
00:21:49.000There's going to be some high-profile journalist who's going to be like, I need to go on TV and cry because people were mean to me!
00:21:55.000And it's like, that's funny because the New York Times and MSNBC don't talk to us about the fact that we've been swatted seven times or had the bomb squad call to our house.
00:22:05.000Me tweeting that does nothing to affect the corporate garbage world that I no longer care about.
00:22:11.000You don't think you have a lot of liberals following you?
00:22:14.000But like, my point is, conservatives, libertarians, moderates, have no influence with the establishment, and they're not going to on any of these platforms.
00:22:25.000If you can't get your followers on other platforms, well then you've got a cultural problem.
00:22:28.000Well then you'll be in an echo chamber though, because if you go on Gab, you're really only speaking- Twitter is already an echo chamber, that's my point!
00:22:34.000I think you have a bigger spectrum than you would on Gab, though.
00:22:37.000I wouldn't know because I've only been on Gab for a couple of weeks, but what I saw there wasn't as politically diverse.
00:22:43.000There's more to Twitter, too, than just politics.
00:22:45.000And on Gab and these other social media platforms, it feels like it's solely focused on conservative politics.
00:22:51.000And then it's the most extreme of them, too.
00:22:53.000I feel like it's the same thing that happens once you...
00:22:56.000Redline, or not redline, where you gerrymander a district and you make them more red and deeper blue, then you're just gonna get more extreme candidates who are willing to pander harder.
00:23:04.000But this is part of a larger problem, which is that conservatives only have politics, right?
00:23:09.000Politics is the only sphere of our culture in which conservatives have any stake or any or like any, you know, ability to affect any change.
00:23:18.000Conservatives don't have a stake in, you know, publishing or the arts or anywhere else.
00:23:28.000And conservative counterculture in the arts, I think, is a movement that's about Thank you.
00:23:33.000You know that should be about aesthetics. It should be about interesting work. It shouldn't be ideological
00:23:38.000Yeah, and the work that currently exists on the left side of the spectrum is entirely ideological and it's
00:23:44.000ideological at this point by design So what we need to do is work, you know to like have good
00:23:49.000content Which I think you know you guys are both doing that is not
00:23:53.000political and that has and the left is more bearing on culture
00:23:57.000Yeah, the left is producing more and more ideological garbage that people don't because it's shitty and nobody
00:24:02.000wants to watch it exactly Well, it's it is there's there's two big things happening
00:24:06.000with with liberal arts And it's that one there's a severe lack of talent
00:24:15.000Um, probably due to the fact that meritocracy is out the window for these people.
00:24:19.000So when you are hiring people for like the sake of your ideological points, you're going to get someone who's never done the job before, has no talent doing it, but that doesn't matter because everyone should have an equal, it should be equity.
00:25:09.000If you look at the Star Trek stuff, it used to be good, and now I haven't watched a lot of the new Star Trek, but I do watch Red Letter Media talking about it, and then I sort of like dip in a little bit.
00:25:18.000It's a disaster, and it's all ideological, and it's like there's this affirmative action hire on the new Picard.
00:26:59.000Because something happened in 2024 to turn Earth into a human supremacist planet.
00:27:05.000And the fascists must be stopped and I'm like, why is Star Trek at the same time that I live?
00:27:11.000No, I want to watch Even if you're trying to cram your worldview into something where it otherwise doesn't belong try to come up with some clever Analogy for instead of going humans.
00:27:27.000We're gonna talk about human supremacy.
00:27:29.000Do you guys get it and watching at home?
00:27:51.000So, in the movies, they did a scene where it's like they're coming to port or whatever, and then Sulu runs up to a guy who's got a daughter and they kiss, and it's just like, that did nothing for the movie.
00:28:01.000I don't care if the characters are gay.
00:28:32.000It's when they take characters and they put things in plots that don't make sense for the sake of just virtue signaling to their audience, like, look what we did.
00:28:39.000I feel like Chris Ruffo found something that, like, with the Disney, one of the Disney directors saying that they're trying to make, like, 50% of the characters LGBTQ.
00:28:46.000Well, that wasn't just the director saying that.
00:28:47.000They have that, I think, on their, like, mission.
00:28:50.000I think they have that written down, that by 2050 it would be... It's insane.
00:28:54.000And that's just not a very interesting way to do it It's not it doesn't make for good stories to say I'm going to have this character with this specific characteristics when you're writing characters You have to like listen to your characters.
00:29:06.000You have to invent them They have to be authentic and real and you can't just like apply stuff to your characters and say, you know Here's my character Mary and she's gonna be all of these things and I'm just gonna make that work and shove them into that character It has to be real.
00:29:20.000I'll tell you I'll tell you what I think woke Plot writing doesn't work.
00:29:24.000You have to understand the motivations to feel for the story.
00:29:29.000And the example I'll give you is when the Batman animated series won, I think it was the first Emmy, I could be wrong, for an animated series.
00:29:37.000And it was with their episode in The Origins of Mr. Freeze.
00:29:46.000And then, in the Batman Animated Series, they write the story about a scientist whose wife is dying of a terminal disease so he cryogenically freezes her, and then starts misappropriating corporate funds from his job to try and find a cure.
00:29:58.000When the boss finds out, he says, you're stealing my money, shut it down.
00:30:01.000He's like, no, you'll kill Nora, you can't.
00:30:04.000So they get into a fight with the security guards, the cryochemicals spray all over him, he becomes Mr. Freeze.
00:30:09.000His entire motivation's that his wife is dying, and he will stop at nothing to save her life.
00:30:15.000But he's a bad dude, because he hurts people, and then it ends with him in his prison cell, like, saying, like, oh, Nora, and he's holding a snow globe, and it's, like, miserably sad this guy became a villain.
00:30:25.000That's, like, wow, those motivations, man.
00:30:28.000When you see these woke stories like The Craft, where they put a spell on a guy to turn him gay, I'm like, What is your motivation here?
00:31:09.000A lot of these woke shows are motivated by weird things, like when, um...
00:31:14.000Brie Larson and Captain Marvel steals the clothing of the guy on the motorcycle.
00:31:17.000I'm like, what was the purpose of that plot point?
00:31:20.000Was it to show us that Brie is just a bad person and that feminists are mean?
00:31:25.000Why in the story is she going to steal a guy's clothes and steal his motorcycle from him?
00:31:29.000And I've said this before a number of times, but it's really important whenever you're making anything, and this holds true for what we're doing with Freedom Tunes as well, even though we're talking about politics.
00:31:38.000When I'm making something, I'm not thinking, what point can I get across?
00:31:44.000It's usually just looking at a situation and saying, what do I think is funny?
00:31:47.000And obviously, because I am a conservative person, the things that I'm going to think are funny are probably things other conservative people are going to think is funny when they look at the issue, or are funny when they look at the issue.
00:31:56.000If you go into it going, I desperately need the audience to know every single piece of my political worldview related to this issue, you're just gonna make garbage.
00:32:07.000Someone superchatted us, and we'll go back in the superchat section and read through it, but I do want to point out a bit of what your point was, and this is from...
00:32:47.000Twitter was Donald Trump and conservatives and it was dominated.
00:32:51.000Twitter was a lot of journalists who are talking and a lot of news organizations getting no traction.
00:32:56.000And then conservatives were generating massive attention and engagement.
00:33:00.000Now all these platforms were taken over by the far left, kicked out all the people on the right, and they become stagnant, dry, boring and broken.
00:33:07.000Well, because they're only interested in their ideological perspective.
00:33:13.000They're interested in entrenching and enforcing the existing one.
00:33:17.000It's so troubling that all these companies have become ideological in one direction or another because then it also leads other companies to also want to become ideological.
00:33:25.000So now we have Disney trying to inject whatever liberal values, but then we have the Daily Wire who, you know, is a news company, right?
00:33:33.000They hire journalists, they make news podcasts, but they're also getting in the kids entertainment business.
00:33:38.000I'm not sure if they're going to inject any values in their content, but it just sucks that every company now has developed a political angle one way or another because, I don't know, if that's what the market has to bear, we force it onto these companies.
00:33:51.000The Daily Wire realized that, as Andrew Breitbart said, politics is downstream from culture, and for too long conservatives have neglected to be producing any kind of cultural content.
00:34:02.000Typically, conservatives just complain about stuff, and then they're content to complain about it.
00:34:08.000It's like, imagine being on the Titanic and complaining that it's sinking, and then not doing anything to save yourself, save others, or stop the sinking from happening.
00:34:15.000And that's what it was for a very, very long time.
00:34:17.000The Daily Wire is like, let's start bailing water, or at least build a life raft.
00:34:23.000So their content probably will have values in it, but it's going to be values we recognize and probably like.
00:34:29.000Well, and the values should come into the work in an organic fashion.
00:34:33.000I mean, that's what it should be like.
00:34:35.000I remember this was years ago now, but I was commissioned to write a play for the Williamstown Theatre Festival.
00:34:41.000And I was working with a director who was older and she was single and she was trying to decide if she should have a child, even though she didn't have a partner.
00:34:50.000And so we were talking about this and I was like, OK, well, you know, this is what she wanted to do a play about.
00:34:56.000So we started digging into it and very, very organically, the take of the play started to be, No, you probably shouldn't have a child without, you know, a family structure without, not intentionally, you probably should not intentionally create a fatherless child, you know, on purpose just to satisfy your own pleasure at this point and that was a very organic perspective and it ended up
00:35:27.000Not getting produced and getting me into a lot of trouble and I didn't stay at the festival very long Yeah, but it wasn't or it wasn't I what I didn't go into it saying I want to write a play about the integrity of the family unit That's just sort of what happened was I wrote a play that was about taking responsibility for your reproductive material You know, yeah No, absolutely.
00:35:52.000And it's part of the reason why storytelling has been so central to human culture and civilization, because we get our moral values from the stories that we tell each other, the stories that we're told as children, that we pass on to our children.
00:36:05.000And so the idea that they're going to be value neutral is incoherent.
00:36:12.000There's no point to a value neutral story necessarily, because how would it exist?
00:36:15.000And it's exactly, it's not even possible.
00:36:18.000The question is, are these perspectives developing organically because someone's trying to tell a story and their worldview is inevitably going to work itself into it, or is this a piece of propaganda which exists explicitly to get me to accept something I might not otherwise accept?
00:36:33.000That's something interesting too that I think a lot about, like Bible stories, right?
00:36:38.000So you have a lot of, you know, there's been a lot of critique about the Bible and like
00:36:42.000from a liberal worldview that this is, you know, anti-everybody or whatever.
00:36:47.000But if you look at the Bible, like the stories are not telling you how things should be necessarily
00:38:08.000The old stories... I read this, so you guys will have to tell me if it's correct or not.
00:38:16.000But I was reading this opinion piece about heroes of the olden days, like Hercules and these ancient heroes who would challenge the gods, fight against them, or the Titans.
00:38:27.000Today, our heroes are all a part of the establishment and the authority.
00:38:40.000I think a lot of comics have done a great job exploring these ideas in real ways that were thought-provoking, challenging certain, you know, rigid moral standards.
00:39:00.000Or you have Civil War, where Captain America's like, I will not stand for the government forcing people to register.
00:39:04.000And then you have the industrialist Tony Stark, who's like, do what the government wants, the corporation working with government.
00:39:11.000These ideas were really interesting, and it made these comics from one-dimensional to multi-dimensional, challenging our own worldview, but in positive ways.
00:39:19.000Now, instead of being like, here's an interesting character arc.
00:39:29.000Now it's just like, you're all racists and you're all bigots, and bigots should be punished and racists should be excised.
00:39:34.000So the wokeness in content is just becoming, it's reverting back to the one-dimensional aspect of old comics that's just, is boring.
00:39:41.000Well, there was such an interesting thing that happened, and bizarre, when Barack Obama became president and when he was running, which is, All of the people who had said up to that point, question authority, started saying, trust the government.
00:40:21.000But now people say that, you know, the fact that we had a black president is doesn't mean anything at all in terms of the progress away from being a racist country exactly and they'll never say these kinds of things which i find it bizarre that's no exactly they'll never say these kinds of things beforehand right so when you're supposed to vote for obama it's look this is going to be a giant step towards ending racism of course they didn't say well look if we elect obama that is not at all going to prove that this is a non-racist country but obama based on values and not skin color
00:41:28.000Oklahoma lawmakers approved near total ban on abortion.
00:41:32.000The measure is part of a wave of stringent abortion restrictions enacted by legislators in Republican-led states.
00:41:38.000Lawmakers in Oklahoma on Tuesday approved a near total ban on abortion, making it the latest Republican-led state to forge ahead with these restrictions.
00:41:46.000The measure, Senate Bill 612, would make performing an abortion, except to save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency, a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison or a fine of $100,000.
00:42:01.000That means the doctor can be like, we've determined that, you know, if you keep carrying this baby within the span of a month or two, you and the baby will die, and that's still not a valid reason to have an abortion.
00:42:12.000Unless, I guess you can argue that two months, that time duration, that duration is not a contributing factor into whether it is or isn't an emergency.
00:42:20.000The felony goes to the doctor, not the mother.
00:42:24.000So also, when you're talking about these instances of medical necessity, oftentimes what they're referring to is procedures which are not actually technically abortions, but could result in the death of the unborn child if they perform the operation to save the mother.
00:42:36.000So I'm curious to know which exceptions are actually being made.
00:42:40.000I think, check this out, this is really, really interesting.
00:42:43.000They say if its passage came after Oklahoma became a major destination for women from Texas who were seeking abortions after that state enacted a law banning the procedure after about six weeks, a very early stage of pregnancy, if allowed to take effect, SB 612 would be devastating for both Oklahomans and Texans who continue to seek care in Oklahoma.
00:43:03.000A coalition of abortion rights groups, including the ACLU of Oklahoma and Oklahoma, call for
00:43:07.000reproductive justice, said in a statement, nearly half of the patients Oklahoma providers
00:43:11.000are currently seeing are medical refugees from Texas.
00:43:15.000Now Oklahomans could face a future where they would have no place left in their state to
00:43:22.000I want to point out, man, I was, I was, I asked this question before.
00:43:26.000I want to avoid making very hard predictions, but I believe abortion may be a major catalyst for this, this looming civil war or whatever conflict we're in.
00:43:37.000We're at the point now where it seems things have calmed down.
00:43:40.000There's a meme where it's like, where'd anti-fund BLM go?
00:43:42.000People must have not been paying their bills.
00:44:50.000Colorado wanted to Colorado said that they wanted to be a sanctuary state for abortion and so did California and both of those California I know Was putting money in place in order to help women who are poor get there so that they could have their pregnancies terminated in the state and The point is there's no compromise on this issue at all anymore.
00:45:51.000And then as soon as it started being like pro abortion, I was like, and I'm now entirely 100 percent thoroughly.
00:45:56.000I don't think it's a catalyst for civil war, but I do think this is a catalyst for potential second Presidential term for Joe Biden because I think this is an issue that so many liberals and leftists are so passionate about Also, I feel like this is an issue that traditionally right-wingers only played lip service to I feel like the Republican Party It's made up of three core groups the neolibs the neocons and the traditionalists and the only people who really care about the issue are the traditionalists also like
00:46:24.000Donald Trump only became pro-life when he was running for president to pay more lip service to this group.
00:46:30.000Another issue is... Hold on, I gotta answer at least one of the points.
00:47:21.000The same issue that they faced in Texas was that people are just going to different places to get their abortions
00:47:27.000And these are really just affecting poor people differently, but they will just go to other places to get their abortions
00:47:32.000You can't take like Michelle Wolf who goes on stage and goes you get an abortion and you get it
00:47:37.000that's disgusting and you can't take Lena Dunham was as she wished he had one and
00:47:40.000Compare that in terms of she wished she had one even though she can't take that in terms of motivating factor and
00:47:46.000compare it to Conservatives saying you are literally murdering babies and
00:47:50.000we will stop you it's hard to get in the middle of this rhetoric
00:47:52.000But one last point that's also gonna make this very difficult to enforce or one
00:47:57.000Once it is illegal, or if Roe v. Wade was ever overturned, it would go back to the states.
00:48:01.000But then in the states where it is illegal, the abortion pill and different medical technology exists such that abortions are extremely easy to have, even without having a doctor.
00:48:09.000So because during COVID we weren't allowed to meet with doctors, you had to meet with a doctor to get yourself an abortion pill prescribed to you, but during COVID they lifted that because they didn't want people meeting with doctors.
00:48:19.000Now, since they're changing that rule, They're getting abortion pills mailed in from different countries and different continents and there's not a lot you could do to stop this.
00:48:26.000We're not going to start making this illegal for women to get the abortion pill off the market.
00:48:38.000I want to kind of interject here because this is a very important issue for me.
00:48:41.000So you mentioned that left-wingers more or less see this as an arbitrary medical procedure that people are only opposing for these archaic religious reasons.
00:48:48.000On the right, people see this as the termination of a human life.
00:48:52.000Earlier we were talking about the fact that there used to be middle ground on this issue.
00:48:55.000I think the fact that there isn't anymore just means that we've all become more honest with each other and with ourselves because this isn't an issue where there can be any middle ground.
00:49:01.000Either you're slaughtering a child or you're not.
00:49:03.000I think with respect to Looking at alternatives women may pursue if their state illegalizes abortion.
00:49:10.000We know that even though people did flee to other states, overall abortion in Texas went down by about 60%.
00:49:17.000So some lives are being saved by this law.
00:49:20.000Again, it can be difficult to quantify.
00:49:22.000But the more states outlaw abortion, the more or the fewer unborn children we will see dying.
00:49:27.000And I don't think there's any pro-life or who's going to say that's not a win just because some people aren't following that law.
00:49:33.000It's tragic when that law isn't followed.
00:49:34.000It's tragic whenever an unborn child is killed.
00:49:37.000But banning that and seeing it occur less often is a move in the right direction.
00:49:42.000Liberals are motivated by tribalism, care, and fairness.
00:49:47.000They will march if told to march, and they typically will get away with it.
00:49:50.000If that means banging on the doors of the Supreme Court or Senate building because Brett Kavanaugh's there and they scream that he's a violator or whatever, if they're told to do it, they'll do it.
00:49:59.000So you don't need abortion to motivate the left to go out and protest for something.
00:50:04.000The right is motivated by very little.
00:50:06.000This is one of the big issues that has motivated them to actually get out and protest.
00:50:09.000In fact, there's a progressive pro-lifer right now.
00:50:13.000She gave a press conference because apparently she had taken baby parts from a university that they got access to and she took them.
00:50:20.000And I don't know exactly the full story.
00:50:23.000Apparently she was giving burials to the babies or something to that effect.
00:50:38.000So when it comes to pro-life, you really just have to look at it like, take a look at how the left describes the issue of abortion when they're like, what happens if you have a miscarriage and it's just a clump of cells versus a baby being killed.
00:50:52.000Like, people will run into a burning building to save a baby.
00:50:54.000They won't run into a burning building to take a dump.
00:50:57.000There's a clear motivational distinction here.
00:51:14.000I do think, though, that we are telling women the wrong story.
00:51:17.000I think we're telling the wrong narrative about what life is about, what meaning is, and what being a mother is all about.
00:51:25.000We tell women that our culture tells women that their lives are limited when they become mothers, that it's going to put a damper on your ability to do stuff, right?
00:51:37.000And you know, to a certain extent, yes, there are limitations.
00:51:40.000Once you become a mother, you have to prioritize and you prioritize differently.
00:51:45.000But it's not gonna ruin your life, right?
00:51:48.000Being a mother actually makes your life that much better.
00:51:53.000It's a very deep bond between mother and child.
00:51:55.000This is why I'm, you know, I'm very pro motherhood.
00:52:00.000And I think that it's important to tell women, poor women, because you're not seeing the over-educated white liberals running around getting their abortions.
00:52:15.000But women are losing their rights in a lot of other ways.
00:52:18.000This is like the only right that women are allowed to fight for.
00:52:20.000They're not allowed to fight to say that they are women.
00:52:24.000They're not allowed to fight for bathrooms.
00:52:25.000I don't want to deviate too far from what your point was.
00:52:29.000I want to bring it back to what your point was.
00:52:30.000I was saying, can I add something to my answer to your question?
00:52:33.000Your question, you asked if life at conception, where were you going with it?
00:52:36.000I was just gonna say, um, I want to reject that there isn't a middle ground on this issue because I do believe, I was looking up the stats to try to find it specifically, but I think most people are in the country, I think it says right now currently 59% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 39% say it should be illegal in all or most cases.
00:53:25.000The evangelicals and the religious people who say it starts at conception.
00:53:28.000And then, you know, crazy abortionists who are, who don't care if it's until the moment of you giving birth.
00:53:33.000So that's how, where the conversation gets centered around, even though those are the most fringe cases.
00:53:38.000And that's the problem and why I think some people don't think there is a middle ground.
00:53:41.000I think most people in the country, again, 59 are cool and So I would agree that in terms of- I want to mention this, I really gotta respond to this.
00:53:49.000I gotta stop you because I'll challenge your stats.
00:53:53.000Gallup has, from 2021, 48% believe abortion should be legal under only certain circumstances, 32% say legal under any circumstances, and 19% say illegal in all circumstances, which means the majority of Americans support restriction abortion.
00:54:20.000So it may absolutely be the case that there are a large number of Americans who say that there's a middle ground here, but 95% of biologists, according to a five-year study and survey of biologists, say that life begins at fertilization regardless of their position on abortion.
00:54:34.000So, the truth is, life begins at fertilization, that's what the science says, and I believe that we need to base our policy around the best information we have on what human life is, and endowing every living person with said rights, not necessarily what the polls say might be politically popular.
00:54:47.000And I want to, real quick, I do want to point out, Elad's stats, I checked them, yup, Pew says exactly what he says they show.
00:54:54.000But I will challenge them by saying, when provided with a more nuanced distinction, we can see from Gallup three categories as opposed to just two.
00:55:05.000When you're giving a binary choice on legal or not, some people might begrudgingly say, well, I guess then we should just have it be legal.
00:55:12.000When given the option for limited circumstance, no circumstance, or any circumstance, the plurality want restrictions in some capacity.
00:55:19.000As drugs become more common and ubiquitous, the abortion pill is becoming more common and ubiquitous, you will not have to go to a doctor to receive it in the future.
00:55:27.000So if women do choose to take the abortion pill and terminate their pregnancy, what do you think our government's response should be?
00:55:33.000If there is no doctor who prescribed the pill.
00:55:58.000So penalizing women for having a child?
00:55:59.000Wait, so if a woman chooses to take the abortion pill that she got illegally, then what should the, if abortion's illegal, what should the penalty be?
00:56:05.000You want to jail women for terminating their infertility?
00:56:07.000I don't want to make abortion illegal.
00:56:09.000You don't want to make abortion illegal, but if you do, if it is illegal, you think that women should be jailed?
00:56:14.000No, I'm going down the only steps that make sense.
00:56:16.000So if we make abortion illegal and somebody chooses to get an abortion, these are just, you know, if we make a law that we have to prosecute people.
00:56:23.000Should someone be, you know, imprisoned for attempted suicide?
00:56:27.000I don't think abortion should be illegal.
00:56:29.000No, I don't think you should be said to, Jolie.
00:56:32.000I'm taking issue with your rationalization, which doesn't make any sense.
00:56:35.000I think you're, so I'd like to respond to this, because you're looking at a very specific circumstances.
00:56:39.000You're creating a hypothetical scenario where all abortions are obtained by women getting these pills.
00:56:59.000So a woman, she's three months pregnant, she gets an abortion pill from India, what do we do?
00:57:04.000Okay, first of all, there aren't abortion pills that will terminate your three-month-old.
00:57:10.000The abortion pills that exist are pretty early term.
00:57:13.000Okay, so let's say early term like by the time you're three months like okay, there's a baby in your first trimester 14 weeks so a woman acquires a pill from India that induces, you know an abortion to happen within 14 weeks and it's illegal in whatever state she does it to and I'm trying to get to the base of it.
00:57:30.000How do we penalize it when there's no doctor involved?
00:57:31.000But I don't think this is getting to the base of it because we're talking about a restriction that applies to abortions across the state of Oklahoma at all points in conception with a few potential exceptions, though I want to look into what they're saying with respect to those exceptions.
00:57:44.000You're talking about a specific scenario of abortion pills that would be particularly difficult to prove and prosecute.
00:57:48.000So I think what needs to happen is you have to ensure that those pills are not allowed in the United States of America and anyone who sells them is prosecuted.
00:57:55.000you're not listening to me what you're saying is because this would be difficult to
00:57:59.000prevent it's not something that we should attempt to prevent
00:58:03.000well yeah, I mean the dealer I think Seamus makes a really good
00:58:07.000finish their point before you just start talking over each other
00:58:09.000I think Seamus makes a really good point which is the dealer of the abortion pills
00:58:13.000should be the one who's held liable good luck trying to go to India and penalize
00:58:17.000and then in those cases you can't penalize anybody Well, I think that's the future of abortion then in our country It's people illegally acquiring abortion pills when they can't receive them from doctors in and it's 10 weeks I think you can get them up to 10 weeks I think the future of abortion pills gonna get it even further but I think to say that there are instances that our laws can't account for is not an argument for why we shouldn't have these laws in the first place the argument is
00:58:39.000If you think it should be illegal because it terminates a human life, the issue is that you can't track early human life.
00:58:47.000So, if you were to view abortion as no different than a murder, the issue is that someone who is born and has a life is tracked in some way, and when they go missing, the murder typically, not always, but will be noticed in some way.
00:59:25.000So we will penalize the woman, is what I'm trying to get to.
00:59:28.000Because if you do think abortion is murder, and then the woman on her own volition acquires and then aborts, then she murdered the child.
00:59:35.000Not necessarily, because intent has a lot to do with this.
00:59:37.000So if a person doesn't understand what they're doing, they don't recognize that they're killing a human person because they've been propagandized.
00:59:43.000No, I think there's a good point to be made there, because women are told that this isn't murder.
00:59:47.000So I think there are people who fight in wars.
00:59:53.000That you didn't know right from wrong.
00:59:55.000You can't plead insanity because you're literally insane.
00:59:57.000You plead that you don't know the difference between right and wrong.
00:59:59.000So if you go to court and they say, this has happened, a woman killed her kids because she said that once they become 12, original sin will send them to hell.
01:00:35.000Well, so basically murder is handled by the states and I would argue that as a matter of legislation it makes sense to be merciful to these women because oftentimes they literally do not know what they're doing.
01:00:43.000They're told an abortion is a procedure just like any other where they're flushing some cells out of their body and not a human life.
01:00:48.000So I would absolutely prosecute the doctors because they know exactly what they're doing.
01:00:51.000I think the vast majority of women in these circumstances have no idea.
01:02:07.000And there was a woman who was prosecuted for attempted abortion, and she ended up in prison with a whole bunch of other ladies who had attempted abortions, and they were all there raising their children in prison.
01:02:19.000And that's the kind of thing that you would start to look at.
01:02:22.000You would start to look at imprisoning children for having been born to mothers who have a
01:02:28.000lot of kids and didn't want anymore, as it was in that book, was primarily the situation.
01:02:34.000I think that what we need to do as a society is have more respect for parents, for parents'
01:05:03.000Then you get all the blue states saying, no restriction on abortion, like they're doing already, 15 states that are seemingly to that degree.
01:05:10.000And then you have the red states all saying, ban on abortion with limited or no exceptions.
01:05:15.000You are going to have hyperpolarization in this country.
01:05:18.000And that is planting the seeds for interstate conflict.
01:05:21.000We have that in a lot of areas, though, also.
01:05:26.000I agree with you, and I was just going to say that we're going to see increased polarization just on the basis of geography.
01:05:30.000Left-wing people are going to leave these red states, and then the blue states are going to become bluer, the red states are going to become redder, because only people who are comfortable with those abortion laws will move there, etc.
01:05:39.000You were making a point earlier just about this being politically pragmatic and what could happen.
01:05:43.000Is this going to result in Joe Biden getting a second term?
01:05:45.000I don't think so, but it's also an interesting question because, as we were discussing earlier, there is a debate here over which side cares more about this issue.
01:05:53.000We were pulling up different polls that had a bit of nuance to the question of abortion, asking, do you think it should always be illegal, legal in some circumstances?
01:06:02.000Part of the issue with these is they usually end up with some kind of framing that could be considered biased I know that Gallup poll just straight-up asked people Do you identify as pro-life or pro-choice and it's a pretty pretty neat 50-50 split across the nation It's like 49% pro-choice 47% pro-life and then 5% with no opinion I find it difficult because too though because in that framing too I feel like not all pro-lifers are from conception errs and I think that's probably true.
01:06:27.000And a lot of people consider Plan B abortions and it gets really...
01:06:31.000And you're right, there's just so many gray zones.
01:06:33.000There is something to be said about political principles though and political strategy.
01:06:37.000Because you know, I'm just saying it's a bad strategy.
01:06:40.000That doesn't mean it's right or wrong.
01:06:42.000So I think we have a lot of those examples in our country.
01:06:44.000This could be, you know, although a bad strategy, you're being very principled.
01:06:48.000I think it also kinda relates to how Trump's saying the election was stolen.
01:06:52.000And pragmatically, strategy-wise, I don't think it's a great strategy, but he's staying true to his principles, and the people who back him up on those principles are getting rewarded with his endorsements, so...
01:07:02.000Yeah, well, and I think part of what sort of adds to my position, and we'll see what ends up happening, but part of what I think bolsters my position is the fact that, as Tim said, pro-lifers see this as a child being killed, pro-choices just see this more as an abstract struggle between religious fanatics and the secularists who want to preserve people's rights.
01:07:23.000The question is, do you care more about that kind of abstract battle than you do the fact that food is more expensive, you're having a harder time feeding your family, gas is as expensive as it's ever been, there's turmoil on the foreign stage that we probably wouldn't see with a president who was a little stronger.
01:07:39.000It's actually a toss-up, and you're probably going to care more about the things that affect your life in a more direct sense.
01:07:44.000But if you're going to ask people to balance those questions against Another human life, they're probably going to choose to save the person or believe in saving the person, but in this instance the pro-lifers don't even have to make that choice because the people who they would be voting for not only want to end abortion, but would ideally be able to get this country stuffed together and get gas prices down and return food costs to something more normal.
01:08:06.000In regard to, like, the Civil War stuff, though, I think it's actually... I'm extremely optimistic because I think it's a good thing that one of the top issues that we care about and have to deal with in our country is abortion instead of hunger or crazy inflation or actual... I mean, it's... I hate using the word privilege, but it's a relatively privileged position to have this, the top issue you care about.
01:08:25.000And to make a joke from earlier, maybe we might need to not blame those Russians for the war crimes in Ukraine because they were propagandized so heavily.
01:08:38.000So, obviously, but the wars that we're involved in now, I know people who fought in those wars.
01:08:43.000They were propagandized as young men to believe that going to the Middle East and quote-unquote fighting for our freedom was the right thing to do.
01:08:48.000They ended up doing things over there that they very much regret, but I would not charge them with murder.
01:09:49.000They didn't go through the proper legal process.
01:09:51.000Well, we don't do a lot of things by the Constitution.
01:09:54.000The Congress is the first thing that's mentioned in our Constitution.
01:09:57.000But, you know, they barely have actual power.
01:09:59.000And as much as I'd like to be a constitutionalist, in practice, de facto, we have a commander-in-chief and he's the person who makes the foreign policy.
01:10:06.000And in our current world, that's the way it needs to be.
01:10:09.000We can't have our president be strapped by Congress.
01:10:12.000Congress can't agree on... Then we might not have gotten involved in two 20-year-long wars that resulted in countless suffering and thousands of lives ended.
01:10:19.000The Senate and Congress is extremely indecisive and they would get nothing done.
01:10:22.000We need a leader to be able to act freely and quickly on the world stage, in my opinion.
01:10:27.000I think also, I'm very hawkish, I think most of these wars are justified.
01:10:31.000I don't want to get involved with Ukraine because I want to be focused on the Chinese though, so...
01:10:35.000That's why I would justify a lot of these wars.
01:10:39.000There is some leniency in times of war, and I understand things get crazy, but war crimes is a completely different thing.
01:10:45.000And we do prosecute Americans who commit war crimes.
01:10:47.000Yeah, and I never said we didn't, and I never said that we shouldn't.
01:10:49.000If someone commits a war crime, they should absolutely be prosecuted, and I think we just plain don't see eye-to-eye on the powers of the presidency, the executive branch, and whether we should have been involved in any of these disasters.
01:10:57.000It feels like people do overlook the war- because I was joking originally about the Russians.
01:11:02.000I do feel like Ukraine's getting a little bit more extra scrutiny on their obvious military propaganda than Russia does.
01:11:08.000We like to talk about how corrupt Ukraine is, which, given, it is corrupt, but the most corrupt shithole on planet Earth is actually Russia.
01:11:14.000So, do you know what I'm talking about there with, uh, giving a little bit more slack to Russia than Ukraine?
01:11:21.000I'm not as sure on that, but I would agree with you that when you're looking at that situation, I mean, I don't have a dog in that fight, frankly.
01:11:28.000Well, that's part of why I don't want to see the United States government get involved at all.
01:11:31.000Even if there's a country that I would say is more likely to be in the right, I wouldn't say that the United States should go defend them or fight for them.
01:11:36.000Oh, so you think even if a country is in the right, we shouldn't assist and defend them?
01:11:40.000It depends on whether it's a struggle.
01:11:42.000There are certain instances where it might be necessary for us to be involved.
01:11:46.000Do you think Zelensky is heroic for defending his homeland and supposedly choosing not to leave and continuing to fight instead of surrendering?
01:12:20.000Are you worried that any other countries will get a hint and a wink and a nod from the U.S.
01:12:24.000withdrawing from the global world stage as much?
01:12:28.000Are you scared this might trigger other conflicts is what I'm getting at.
01:12:30.000Well, what I think is much more of a serious risk is the fact that we have spent the last 20 years involved in foreign conflicts in the Middle East and they all ended disastrously and what we showed other countries is that we're not serious about fighting the wars that we do want to fight in the long term because we don't get involved.
01:12:43.000I think overall the United States Even if you want to have this more hawkish approach and say, we want to be taken more seriously on the foreign stage, we want to show our enemies that we're not weak.
01:12:54.000I think, A, to get the American people on board with that, after you have just completely failed in your foreign policy in basically every major respect, it is going to be impossible, even if you think that we should or it would make us look good on the foreign stage.
01:13:06.000I mean, that trust has just been completely lost.
01:13:26.000I think that's a really good question.
01:13:28.000So part of the reason Ukraine has been such a disaster, in my estimation, is that our White House and Joe Biden, our intelligence agencies, the war machine, was basically saying they believed that Russia was going to invade, and then there were no precautions taken.
01:13:45.000So I think if we had established a no-fly zone prior to them invading, that could have deterred them from invading.
01:13:51.000Well, I'm not necessarily saying that we should do that, but I am saying...
01:13:55.000I don't think so, because I think Russia invades anyway, and then if you knock down, if NATO calls a no-fly zone, and then Russia invades, and then they shoot down a jet that's still World War III.
01:14:35.000That is to say, when all of these changes are happening with abortion, it doesn't seem like it will be the biggest motivating factor, but it will be more likely to motivate Republicans than it would Democrats.
01:14:44.000It's interesting that climate change is up top there.
01:14:50.000But it's interesting because, did you see there was some data that came out from OKCupid and Tinder that if you don't care about climate change, it's a deal breaker.
01:14:58.000The ladies are not going to go out with you.
01:15:01.000As a matter of fact, they came up with this term petromasculinity.
01:15:05.000To describe the combination of the man who is, you know, of course racist, but Is anti-climate, is racist, is nationalist, and is misogynist.
01:15:17.000So if you don't think that climate change is a super big issue, then you're apparently petro-masculine and this is a problem.
01:15:25.000I care about climate change as much as Barack Obama does.
01:15:28.000I'm gonna buy my beachfront property and I'm gonna relax.
01:15:31.000Yeah, I liked it because the other thing too is the data didn't say that the person that you're interested in had to Be interested in taking any action on climate change or doing anything.
01:15:44.000It was just if you care about it, like if you really feel deeply about it and make sure you bring your recycled bag to the market when you buy your foie gras or whatever.
01:15:53.000Does it say which direction you have to care deeply in?
01:15:55.000Because what if I care deeply about causing more climate change?
01:15:59.000My favorite part, too, is that nobody ever remembers that fossil fuel actually resulted in the greatest decrease in global poverty the world has ever seen.
01:16:13.000One last thing because I just had it on my mind.
01:16:15.000I don't think it's enough to just be anti-communist domestically and anti-Islamist domestically.
01:16:21.000I do think that if we believe in these values, then we should try to Export them and make sure that people aren't attacking those values worldwide.
01:16:29.000And that's why I stand so strongly with Taiwan.
01:16:32.000It's not enough to be anti-communist back home.
01:16:33.000You need to be anti-communist internationally.
01:16:35.000That's why I stand with South Korea, Japan.
01:16:37.000That's why we need to work closer with Australia and India.
01:16:41.000They are the next geopolitical threat.
01:16:44.000We do not want to live in a multi-polar world where China gets to call shots on an even playing field as us.
01:16:50.000They view every part of our system as negative and bad.
01:16:53.000We'd want less of that Chinese communist influence here.
01:16:56.000See, I wish people would be honest about that.
01:16:58.000Because I often tell people, if you like the way... I said this about Hillary Clinton, I'm like, if you like the status quo, you know, if you like that we get our shirts made in Indonesia, if you like that it's a nickel an hour to make your shoes, you gotta vote for Hillary Clinton.
01:17:14.000If you have a problem with that, and war, and the international policies that exploit foreign countries, you'll want a Donald Trump, because he's all about America first and what's manufacturing here, which will make things cost more money in the long run, but typically everyone's standard of living will go up quite a bit.
01:18:28.000These things were happening organically because the economy was booming, as Jim Cramer said, the best numbers of our lives.
01:18:34.000But some people, they like the idea of, for whatever reason, Actually, I'll put it this way.
01:18:39.000I think if you actually know what the Democrats have been doing for 30 years, along with the neocons, don't get me wrong, things have changed in the past five years with Republicans.
01:18:50.000They were extracting from the system, as Dillard and Rattigan called it, if he was referring to the same thing.
01:18:55.000And it was resulting in American lives being worse off for it, people getting angry, and there was a backlash.
01:19:00.000So if you want to export American neoliberalism and neoconservative values, then you want to do everything you're saying, I suppose.
01:19:10.000If neoliberal is free trade and neocon is, you know, values worldwide and not let our allies get stumped, then Yeah, I'm kind of down with it.
01:19:21.000Also, one thing too, it's on free trade.
01:19:21.000Neoconservatism is ensuring that we change other countries' political structure based on what we in the United States have determined would be advantageous to us.
01:19:30.000So when we go to the Middle East and say, you know what, let's turn Afghanistan into a democracy, even though it's a completely unpragmatic goal that we could never achieve, and then we waste 20 years over there, trillions of dollars, thousands of human lives, that's what neoconservatism is.
01:19:44.000So you can talk about defending our allies, All we have done is gotten people killed and made the situation worse over there than it needed to be.
01:20:03.000But the challenge, I suppose, is many people don't want to see Americans being shipped off to foreign countries in what is typically viewed as conquest, invading Iraq and Afghanistan for vague or incorrect reasons for the sake of expanding our power in these regions.
01:20:17.000I think we need to continue to support our allies, both militarily and economically, because in the zero-sum game of foreign policy, if it isn't us helping out our allies, it's them going to our enemies.
01:20:29.000It means that, hey, if we choose not to be friendly to the Philippines, and when China, you know, acts aggressively in the South China Sea and navigates through their waters with impunity, that we need to defend the Philippines and let them know that we have their back.
01:21:03.000Because I don't think Iran, an autocratic Islamist regime who's threatened to wipe multiple of our allies off the map, should have nuclear weapons.
01:21:12.000Well, so far it's been the JCPOA, the Iran deal, that we've been like one foot in and one foot out of.
01:21:18.000And then it's also through our proxy allies... Actually, it was Stuxnet.
01:21:21.000Yeah, and now we have... We blew up their centrifuges.
01:21:23.000And now we have our proxy allies too, like Israel, who are constantly, you know, harming Iran one way or another, trying to prevent the development of their nuclear bomb.
01:21:31.000To keep it to the modern issues, I suppose you're arguing in support of the corruption in Ukraine and the missile strikes on Syria.
01:21:41.000So it's not... I hate the corruption in Ukraine, but I think Russia is the most country on planet Earth.
01:21:47.000Moreover, Vladimir Putin is a former KGB actual Soviet communist, so we shouldn't have a lot of faith in this guy.
01:21:54.000And obviously, Zelensky isn't a perfect figure, but I'll tell you who's a lot further from perfect.
01:21:58.000It's Vladimir Putin who actually poisons his political opposition and has committed war crimes in the past, and now what it looks like is continuing to do so in Ukraine.
01:22:13.000As I understand, like, Russia rules the airspace, and that's part of the reason why Israel hasn't come as hard out against Russia as they could have.
01:22:21.000I mean, how did these jihadis and these rebels end up with NATO-backed weapons?
01:23:13.000But do you know why we wanted regime change because they're Russian allies?
01:23:17.000Because when we said we want to build a gas pipeline to offset the Russian gas monopoly with Gazprom, Bashar al-Assad told the United States, allowing you to do that would upset our ally Russia.
01:23:28.000This was reported in the Guardian back in like 2012.
01:23:31.000Instead, a civil war breaks out, the rebels are given NATO-backed weapons, and a truck from Detroit with some guy's phone number on it, which created a huge crisis for this guy's poor company, and it was destabilizing the entire region, with the West basically being like, Europe deserves cheap gas.
01:23:46.000Now, if you like the idea of Europe having cheaper gas because Russia is gripping them by the balls, Then just be honest about it that the U.S.
01:23:54.000is willing to destroy entire regions and create chaos in Ukraine and Syria for the sake of their allies.
01:24:01.000If you like your wealth, just admit it.
01:24:03.000I think it's much bigger than just gas going through Syria.
01:24:06.000I think Syria has become a proxy essentially for Iran, and that's why we're fighting there.
01:24:11.000Multiple countries are fighting on multiple sides.
01:24:13.000This is one of the most complicated conflicts in the Middle East.
01:24:17.000They're Iranian proxies and we don't want Iranian proxies to win out in Syria next to our other allies and we don't want Iran to continue to spread their influence.
01:24:24.000Same thing's going on in Yemen with the Houthi rebels attacking our other allies through the Saudis.
01:24:28.000The Saudis are backing... And us having a blockade up that starved 84,000 children to death.
01:24:32.000Sure, again, we haven't acted properly in all these cases and there have been consequences to our actions, but I feel like if we're overlooking constantly the misdeeds of our enemies, who are much greater and larger than ours, then we're really missing the point.
01:24:45.000Have they starved 85,000 children to death?
01:24:53.000And the Houthis, they're all, they're all Islamist terrorists.
01:24:56.000So then we should get involved and have the United States-backed blockade that has literally starved tens of thousands of children to death stand, even after Joe Biden says we're not going to be involved in this conflict anymore, because some people in that region also did bad things.
01:25:10.000It either comes down to do we want them to be in our sphere of influence or the Iranians and Russians.
01:25:16.000And if Iranians and Russians and Chinese continue to exert their influence and expand, this is just going to come to bite us back in the ass further down the line.
01:25:25.000This all has to do with the unipolar world order that the United States currently has.
01:25:30.000That's what conservatives probably should conserve.
01:25:32.000And we need to do that by continuing to assist and support our allies in the zero-sum game of geopolitics.
01:25:38.000If they're not with us, they're going to our enemies.
01:25:39.000Well, I don't believe in child sacrifice, even in the name of supporting our allies.
01:27:44.000And then he also was a big proponent of NATO.
01:27:47.000Again, he sounded anti-NATO, but what he was really saying was everybody should increase their budget to like the percent of GDP that they should have.
01:27:53.000They should be paying the United States so that we don't foot the bill.
01:27:55.000He was a close supporter of Japan for the purposes of Taiwan, stood very strong with Israel.
01:28:00.000So again, this could be neocon-ish though.
01:29:07.000He increased military funding, and he also supported our allies militarily more, and I'd consider that... And the neocons and the neolibs wanted to invade in the Middle East.
01:29:15.000They liked ISIS destabilizing the region.
01:29:27.000The economy in the United States was substantially better than it had ever been.
01:29:29.000But the dude just couldn't shut up to save his own president, his own, you know, second term.
01:29:35.000He couldn't save those two Congress, those two Senate seats in Georgia either, and had to give back the Senate to Joe Biden, which I feel like is an overlooked sin that Donald Trump committed.
01:29:44.000Again, this was at the time with a lot of the election fraud stuff was just bubbling up.
01:29:48.000Yeah, he convinced people not to vote.
01:29:49.000It was, I can't believe how remarkably stupid that was.
01:29:52.000Yeah, and now he's campaigning right now around the country to continue supporting candidates who will only say that the election was stolen.
01:29:59.000And if you back off that a little bit, like Mo Brooks did, he'll withdraw, he'll send the endorsement too.
01:30:05.000Well, the conservatives shouldn't keep focusing on Trump as the main guy.
01:30:08.000I think it's, you know, I think DeSantis is great.
01:30:13.000I would totally throw support behind DeSantis.
01:30:15.000I think he's been doing great things in Florida.
01:30:17.000And I think that, you know, his leadership for the rest of the country would be incredibly effective.
01:30:23.000Parents all across the state of Florida support him.
01:30:26.000His anti-grooming bill, you know, as his press secretary coined it, is wildly popular across the country with parents as well.
01:30:34.000It is, but it's not even an anti-grooming bill.
01:30:36.000It's just like a minor restriction on some grades.
01:30:38.000Yeah, I mean, what it says is that teachers in grades K-12 cannot broach topics.
01:30:59.000Teachers are allowed to go to children in certain circumstances that are four or five years old and talk to them all about orientation and identity.
01:31:06.000The bill specifically says classroom instruction.
01:31:10.000Which is a very specific way of talking about how you go about teaching.
01:31:16.000Because they could say, I'm not instructing the kids on anything, I simply told them about what me and my boyfriend do.
01:31:23.000And if a child goes to a teacher and says, I have questions about something, the teacher is still allowed to talk to them about it.
01:31:28.000So the bill is, for many conservatives, a half measure, but the left has framed it so dramatically as Don't Say Gay that many conservatives are treating it like it actually does something that they would like, when in reality it's like, oh yeah, some grades won't have curriculum, but the teachers can still talk about it.
01:31:45.000Well, anyway, parents are in favor of it across the country.
01:31:48.000It prevents them from keeping secrets.
01:31:51.000And it does say that if children ask about things, that they should tell their parents.
01:32:14.000But if a child goes to the teacher and says, what's trans mean?
01:32:17.000The teacher can say whatever they want and tell no one.
01:32:20.000So it's not this bill that... It's not an anti-grooming bill.
01:32:24.000As I understand Critical Race Theory, a core tenet of Critical Race Theory is talking about lived experiences, and although evidence might show otherwise, that your lived experiences are more valuable than anything else.
01:32:35.000And what I was trying to get at here is that I had a gay teacher once, it was in 5th grade.
01:33:33.000I get things wrong because I can only know what people are reporting and what we can fact check.
01:33:38.000And often mainstream press gets things wrong.
01:33:39.000Can I just say, it says a school district may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels.
01:33:49.000The actual bill says classroom instruction.
01:33:51.000A school district may not encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a matter that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.
01:34:35.000That means like a superintendent putting out a message on a curriculum that's not talking about a teacher literally walking up to a group of girls at recess and saying, do you guys want to know what trans is?
01:36:56.000Sammykin says, why do people buy $19.99 superchats and not $20?
01:37:02.000Is there an unspoken rule that you shouldn't buy a $20 superchat?
01:37:05.000If you buy a superchat and it has a cent instead of a full dollar amount, you are using an iPhone.
01:37:11.000This, in my opinion, is likely done by Google to differentiate who is using Android and who is using iPhone because the Android app does full dollar increments and iPhone drops it by one penny.
01:37:21.000Although, I find that strange because with the insane amounts of people who use iPhone, they're seriously losing a lot of money, because pennies add up.
01:37:29.000And if there's a million iPhone users who send one super chat, you're talking about thousands.
01:38:46.000I think, I think beneath the censorship surface, people really don't like the establishment.
01:38:52.000Dude, I just about died because we, yeah, we were doing that at breakfast, just trying to like figure out who it would guess and people we know.
01:39:00.000And it was very, very interesting to see who was in that system.
01:39:03.000I would, I would recommend y'all play with it.
01:40:09.000That's why I like Dragon Ball Z, because Krillin, the strongest human being on the planet, and then he's all chill about it, but he's just ridiculously powerful, and he can fly.
01:40:18.000Well, Tim, I saw a tweet that said Batman's superpower is white privilege, so get rekt.
01:41:13.000I think I've been reading a little about about LBJ lately.
01:41:18.000I think he's sort of interesting But I gotta say I liked, you know, I liked Trump You know Kevin Reed says me me and my wife watch your so show every night She would love if you shared to the chat Isaiah chapter 24 verse 1 through 23.
01:41:35.000Keep up the good work Do you know what that is?
01:45:03.000Q gets his powers taken away from him, and then he's like, I don't want to live anymore.
01:45:09.000And then he ends up redeeming himself, so they give him his powers back, and he teleports to the Enterprise bridge with a sombrero and maracas with the mariachi band playing.
01:45:19.000And now what they're doing is he's like, It's time for penance, Picard!
01:45:46.000We should make a show called Space Travel, and it'll be about the Galactic Republic.
01:45:53.000What if it's like the Galactic Monarchy?
01:45:55.000They have space travel, but they just revert back to monarchy and everyone decides that that's going to be the thing.
01:45:58.000In the 2300s, everyone realizes monarchy is the perfect form of government.
01:46:02.000It's funny because these shows are very Hegelian.
01:46:05.000The idea is they've finally achieved the perfect political system and ended history.
01:46:10.000But it's just, you have one world government.
01:46:12.000I think it would be interesting if you had a sci-fi series where the world was extremely technologically developed but people had their own ideas and not everyone was on the exact same page ideologically.
01:46:38.000Wait, do you see the one about how there should be indie artists?
01:46:41.000That Daily Wire should bring up indie artists?
01:46:42.000Santa says Daily Wire should bring in independent artists like Tom McDonald, Adam Chelan, Snow, and actors that's been blacklisted by Hollywood.
01:48:11.000And they teach that in marketing classes at colleges.
01:48:14.000They were like, this was one of the most successful campaigns because it was so insane.
01:48:17.000They used to do ads where there was like a picture of a woman on a swing with three legs.
01:48:22.000They would do things to try and make you go, what?
01:48:24.000And your brain would be shocked by it and you'd remember it.
01:48:28.000We're not just willy-nilly doing things.
01:48:30.000The point of Chicken City is to make commercials that actually promote the entirety of the company and the weird cultural stuff we're doing while trying to be just silly, fun, and just not boring, stodgy garbage.
01:48:41.000Plus, I gotta bounce with you guys, Chicken City is wildly successful.
01:50:29.000Why aren't more people with access and privilege doing anything interesting?
01:50:35.000And so my issue is like, I want to make this company something that is like a roguish company that is screwing with the system, that is culture jamming, that is just shaking things up a little bit and inspiring people to be active and to make things more fun.
01:50:50.000That's one thing that I really like is that you're not doing this with an ideological brand.
01:50:55.000There's no political, you know, freedom.
01:51:08.000It's about, you know, enjoying the content, enjoying the imaginative, creative, curious process that goes into developing that kind of stuff.
01:51:19.000I think that that's what we need more of.
01:51:21.000I think we need so much more of that and we used to have more of that and it got completely co-opted by ideologues.
01:51:39.000We got Captain Apathy says, Tim, the left is countering the groomer narrative with talking about the very strange HB 233 in Tennessee, the home state of the Daily Wire.
01:52:01.000Someplace where a warm hand waits for mine.
01:52:04.000Dude, that... I feel like they could redo it again.
01:52:10.000The episode is still a little campy, for what it is.
01:52:14.000But it was like one of the first times they're like, hey, let's give a villain like a tragic backstory and not make him just this like, you know, like Joker's crazy.
01:52:24.000But the Joker movie was incredible because they made him this like, in the movie Joker, you kind of understood why he was pissed off that you guys have seen Joker, right?
01:52:35.000The last joke when he's sitting on stage with Robert De Niro.
01:52:39.000You get what you effing deserve. I was just like, oh my god, like that movie was amazing.
01:52:45.000I love that. Tim, I wanted to ask you, I know I didn't send a super chat, but on this idea of
01:52:49.000building culture, because I know you guys focus on it a lot, you guys say that at the same time
01:52:53.000as you say like, leave the cities. And I'm a Brooklynite right now.
01:52:58.000Every inch of Brooklyn in Manhattan is iconic.
01:53:00.000Do you guys feel like you might be missing out on helping build or develop culture by not being in the city or different cities?
01:53:07.000Like New York City that's, you know, fashion capital of the world, Broadway, everything.
01:54:37.000Yeah, they're all in houses and apartments all over the country.
01:54:40.000There's a guy who has crazy hair who's there at the stock exchange just so that people can take pictures of him when stock stories happen because there's nobody there.
01:54:49.000I think we might be overlooking the cultural significance of the greatest city on earth, but They did fashion planet earth there's everything listen they did fashion week online, right?
01:55:00.000I can see all the fashion weeks now I don't have to like wait around for New York's fashion week.
01:55:05.000I Even Trump Tower is in New York City for a reason, but we can move on.
01:55:08.000There's a Trump Tower in D.C., a Trump Tower in Chicago, right?
01:55:11.000We're talking about the greatest city on the planet.
01:55:13.000Listen, I love New York as much as the next person, but I think you're completely wrong about the cultural stake it has in the country at this point.
01:56:18.000So you can be a bootlicking intern at a company?
01:56:21.000The best thing to do if you want to create art and you want to do things that are fun is like get a bunch of your friends pick a town and I'll move there together and Get cheap places, you know do stuff for fun Have a band start a coffee shop.
01:56:37.000Like relax spend your money where it counts You don't have to do the constant hustle that's required in New York where you only see your friends on Monday work hard and The world is yours in New York City you could make it there you can make it anywhere Yeah, thanks Liza Minnelli.
01:56:54.000But you look at all of the big YouTubers and all the top personalities and it's like people start YouTube channels from their basement in rural areas now and they become wealthy.
01:57:03.000We actually, I started in New York City and left because it was stagnant and it was a waste of money.
02:00:38.000The weirdest thing about this is like, if a woman is eight months pregnant, and she's like, oh, no, I'm giving birth prematurely, and the baby would survive, then what does she do?
02:00:50.000Does she run to Planned Parenthood and say, quick, kill it before it comes out?
02:02:16.000So it's a situation where you're attempting a procedure or not just attempting but performing a procedure that will result in the death of the unborn child to save the mother, but the intention is not to go in there and kill the unborn child.
02:02:28.000But the other thing too is if you let an ectopic pregnancy progress, it will kill the child and the mother.
02:03:19.000Mostly the point of the game is just so that there's going to be cards of people you know and love.
02:03:23.000So I was like, let's just make a really, really simple, really fast game where it's funny that you're having Alex Jones trying to get, you know, Big Red the Feminist cancelled off the internet or something.
02:03:33.000And then you're having, you know... You know what we should do?
02:03:36.000the cards we should have the uh as soon as someone gets banned from the internet we stop printing their card and so if you had that card it's extra rare yeah all right everybody if you have that and i like it yeah we will if you haven't already smash the like button subscribe to this channel share the show with your friends we are going to start recording that members only podcast which will be up at timcast.com so sign up there if you want to watch it it'll be up around 11 or so pm you can follow the show at timcast irl you can follow me at timcast Alad, do you want to shout anything out?
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