On this episode of The Dark Side Of: Conspiracy Theories, we discuss the latest in the culture war, including the latest on Gavin Newsom s potential run for the 2020 Democratic nomination, pro-Israel and pro-Palestine podcaster Ethan Klein being kicked off a train, and more!
00:00:57.000Gavin Newsom is admitting that they only cleaned up the homeless problem because Xi Jinping was coming and this is a big scandal.
00:01:06.000And then we'll talk about, we've got this, there's another podcast you may have heard of.
00:01:10.000H3H3 and Hassan Piker, they do a show called Leftovers that apparently is in jeopardy, and this is a pretty popular left-wing show.
00:01:19.000It's in jeopardy because Ethan Klein is married to an IDF veteran, he is Jewish, and Hassan Piker is absolutely pro-Palestine.
00:01:28.000And it's resulted in some very tumultuous circumstances where on some of their live shows, you've got 30 plus thousand people in the chat just spamming free Palestine and from the river to the sea and things like this, and it's leading to some very serious tension that I think exemplifies very much so the implosion that we are seeing here in the culture war.
00:01:47.000Even people on the right, from pro-Israel to pro-Palestine, and on the left, it's creating very interesting dynamics.
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00:05:27.000I think seeing Donald Trump get massive cheers in New York City should be... As soon as I see this, I'm like, all the polls that are claiming Trump's within a point or two above Joe Biden, they're wrong.
00:06:40.000Okay, it's not a good sign for Joe Biden in 2024 and the rest of the Democrats.
00:06:44.000I think in, what was it, in Kentucky, the last election last week, the only thing Democrats won was the governor's race and it was super close.
00:06:55.000And then the rest of the, all these other positions ended up going to Republicans.
00:06:58.000So it is looking like At least right now, based on what we saw last week and what we're, I mean a lot of people are saying it was really bad for Republicans, but I think what we're seeing right now in New York City, you mentioned them flipping a seat, I don't, I don't see how Democrats can win unless they radically shift their strategy right now.
00:07:17.000What about all of the wins that we saw last week?
00:07:19.000Like in Ohio, they had a sweeping abortion law that was like a constitutional amendment.
00:07:39.000I don't know, maybe Mike Cernovich was tweeting about it.
00:07:42.000Abortion is generally popular in the United States.
00:07:45.000To the point where people don't actually care the full extent of what's being legalized, the pro-life position is not going to win out.
00:07:51.000Yeah, it's something that if you want to actually make a pro-life change, you've got to somehow get the population to follow you for other reasons and then kind of subconsciously get them to become pro-life.
00:08:02.000But screaming it is not going to make people.
00:08:28.000Yeah, I was talking to a friend of mine and he was mentioning how he bought something.
00:08:34.000Well, I don't want to give out too many details because it's other dude's private life.
00:08:38.000But he was trying to help a local kid with some extracurricular activities, and his family was not very well off, so he said, let me help you out and buy you some stuff to help your kids.
00:08:46.000And when he said this, a bunch of people started calling him a creepo and a pedo for helping this little girl with her school stuff.
00:08:53.000And he was like, man, I felt so bad, I was like...
00:08:56.000Like, why are people yelling at me, like, posting online, like, hey, I just, you know, was buying this stuff for this family.
00:09:00.000And they attacked him for it, and I'm like, it is really funny that there's a cultural narrative for guys.
00:09:06.000Like, we have all these stories where a guy's sitting on an airplane, and then it's like, he'll be sitting next to a kid, and the flight attendant comes up and says, you have to move because you're a man sitting next to a child.
00:09:16.000And then for women, you have these stories where it's like, oh, don't have a family, it's bad for the environment, or you're not gonna have fun, or you're gonna regret it.
00:09:22.000It's like, man, they really don't want people having kids.
00:09:24.000No, and they don't want people around kids.
00:09:26.000They just want to get rid of kids entirely.
00:09:33.000Gavin Newsom comes in on a chariot of fire and everyone's like, why is this guy?
00:09:39.000But then the media pushes him so hard for a year and they're like, Trump bad, Newsom good, and you get a bunch of people behind it, and then unless we have election integrity and the votes are on machines behind the scenes, I have no way to verify whether or not the votes are going to get hacked and flip 5149, but I don't trust the process if it's done secretly on proprietary machines these days.
00:09:59.000I just don't, I gotta be honest, I don't know where we're at in terms of like, I, I have a general idea.
00:10:07.000Joe Biden can't win as of right now, but there's got to be some kind of insane and dramatic change that happens over the next several months in order for there to be a viable race for Democrats in 2024.
00:10:18.000But look at Joe Biden's entire career.
00:11:08.000I think he's really just trying to get us used to it.
00:11:11.000And they'd have to remove her too, because obviously they can't run her as well because she's so unpopular, probably less popular than he is.
00:11:18.000So yeah, no, the impeachment could actually have some legs if people inside his own party get behind it.
00:11:24.000But the problem is the impeachment has to do with Ukraine and they're sensitive about that because they're so embedded in Ukraine and they don't want to admit defeat there.
00:11:33.000And the Ukraine impeachment gets to Joe Biden's corruption there and his big role in causing this whole mess.
00:11:38.000Well, this is why I'm saying I don't know where we're at, because that's a really great point.
00:11:41.000If they move to him, if Joe Biden won't leave, and they know he's gonna lose, okay, hold on, slow down.
00:11:46.000If Donald Trump wins, all their war plans are gonna get screwed up.
00:11:49.000It's not like, you know, Trump's gonna just end everything overnight, but it's certainly, he's certainly not gonna give them what they want.
00:12:31.000I think if they go after every time I see them talking about the Biden classified documents, I think this is just a way to get Trump because they don't care what happens to Biden and they want Trump out of the way.
00:12:42.000Well, if you're someone inside the establishment and you hate both Biden and Trump for your own reasons, then this classified documents thing, it's like you kill two birds with one stone because you pretend like you're applying the law equally.
00:13:41.000But the other ones, like the racketeering case in Georgia, it seems everyone who's not a hardcore partisan Democrat understands what's going on there, I think.
00:13:51.000I don't think that they get him on the documents because you have Judge Cannon in Florida who has now pushed the court date back and she said, you know, we're not going to do this on an accelerated schedule.
00:14:01.000So that's just going to drag on for a while.
00:14:03.000I think they have a better shot of getting him on the January 6th case because they've got a gag order slapped on him already, right?
00:14:11.000And they're really going to go hard after him on that one.
00:14:13.000They have a judge who has already with other January 6th cases
00:14:17.000advocated for or issued sentences that are longer even than the Justice Department had asked for.
00:14:23.000I think that's where they're I think they're gonna get him in that one and I think they I think they've a shot at
00:14:28.000getting him in Georgia. I don't know. How would you describe
00:14:30.000yourself politically if you would Aaron?
00:14:34.000And the meaning of that has changed in recent years, because now to be left-wing, you have to side with neocons to support proxy wars like in Ukraine.
00:14:47.000So that's why I think it's interesting, because based on your political views, where you are, are people calling you right-wing?
00:14:55.000Have they been calling you right-wing for some time?
00:14:56.000Yeah, ever since I started opposing Russiagate, which I thought was the dumbest thing of all time.
00:15:01.000And it speaks to this issue we're talking about, this desperate effort to get Trump And also undermine any diplomacy between the US and Russia by calling him a Russian asset and all the conspiracy theories that came with that.
00:15:12.000Ever since I started questioning, I was called right wing.
00:15:14.000I was called an apologist for Trump, even though as a side, even like putting us, even if I didn't care about facts and being a journalist, which is what when you're a journalist, you're supposed to follow the facts no matter where they lead.
00:15:26.000Putting that aside, from a political point of view, I was also against it because I thought it was a big gift to Trump.
00:15:30.000Because what's a bigger gift to Trump than trying to oppose him from the sole point of view, and this really was the obsession, of him being a Russian asset?
00:15:39.000Like putting all your eggs into the basket of a crazy conspiracy theory.
00:15:43.000I thought it was a big gift to him and the Republicans.
00:15:45.000And so because I was opposed to that, I was accused of supporting Trump.
00:15:49.000And then you were critical of a war in Ukraine.
00:15:52.000And then I was, of course I was, because one of the reasons why I hated Russiagate was because it also promoted this neocon narrative that we should not have diplomacy with Russia, that Russia is responsible for all of our problems.
00:16:03.000And it's a good thing to fight the war in Ukraine rather than resolve it with the peace accords that were on the table.
00:16:09.000That's what Trump's first impeachment was about.
00:16:12.000He was impeached for briefly pausing some weapons to Ukraine.
00:16:16.000While allegedly pressuring Ukraine to investigate the Bidens.
00:16:19.000And by the way, the case, if you looked at it, never had any actual evidence.
00:16:23.000Trump did make some dumb comments in a phone call to Zelensky.
00:16:26.000But the fundamental charge against Trump, that he was leveraging U.S.
00:16:30.000weapons to blackmail Zelensky, there was never actually any evidence for it.
00:16:34.000But what it did do was promote this Cold War narrative that we should be fighting this war with Russia.
00:16:39.000Adam Schiff on the House floor when he was leading the impeachment said, That we aid Ukraine so that we can fight Russia over there and we don't have to fight Russia here.
00:16:47.000And I remember thinking, is this what being a left-winger is now?
00:16:49.000We have to support fighting a proxy war with Russia?
00:16:53.000It got us into this all-out hot war over the last few years.
00:16:57.000So one of many reasons why I thought Russiagate was a huge scam and a big danger.
00:17:01.000And it's weird how all of these, like, I don't know how to describe it, but these weird authoritarian things align with what is described as the left today.
00:17:10.000And if you are somebody who holds left economic views but criticizes the war machine or, like, Adam Schiff's statements and how they've gone after Trump, you are now right-wing, you are far-right.
00:17:23.000They'll call you far-right for simply being like, well, Trump didn't do that.
00:17:27.000Yeah, they'll call you a Russian asset and they will look the other way or cheer on people being censored in the name of cracking down on so-called disinformation.
00:17:36.000So look at, for example, the reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop before the election.
00:17:40.000They rolled out the Russiagate playbook because some embarrassing emails from Hunter Biden's
00:18:36.000I don't necessarily know how this position starts, but There are these funny comics, Stone Toss is a comic, where it's like a communist with a Gilded Age oligarch, and they're both pulling the rope together, and there's a libertarian and a fascist pulling the rope together, like what is this?
00:18:54.000What is this political debate that we're having?
00:18:56.000And so what you end up with is, somehow, several years ago, People who were right-leaning or conservative in their values were moving towards pro-free speech.
00:19:09.000People who were disaffected liberals or former Democrats are now agreeing with Trump supporters.
00:19:19.000Vox.com called Trump a moderate back in 2015.
00:19:23.000And so these, like, you look at Trump's bump stock ban.
00:19:25.000He is not this far-right, you know, anarchist or libertarian or anything like these things.
00:19:30.000So what's interesting is that as long as Israel wasn't in the debate, so Protective Edge happens, 2014, and then after that you get this period where there are people who are very critical of Israel and people who are very supportive of Israel, but as long as they're not talking about it, they're all working together, and the same is true for pro-Gaza or critical of Hamas, or pro-Palestine, I should say, and critical of Hamas, you've got now Hassan Piker and Ethan Klein, In this fight over this.
00:20:07.000LoftyPixel says, Ethan breaks down on stream after withstanding an unending barrage of 30,000 cultists in Hassan's chat spamming, Hamas are resistance fighters, and from the river to the sea, and Zionist pig perpetually for three straight hours.
00:20:22.000Let me, uh, let me play this clip for you guys.
00:20:23.000Sounds just like their Discord, actually.
00:20:25.000And you know I'm not a fucking radical Jew.
00:21:05.000From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, also doesn't feature, from the river to the sea, we should destroy Israel and kill all the Jews.
00:21:14.000You're the one who's saying that that is the secondary implication behind it.
00:21:19.000Well, I think that... And then, of course, we have this clip.
00:21:22.000This is from TooLazyToTry, where he posts this clip.
00:21:24.000We actually... I couldn't find this one.
00:21:25.000I don't know where he got this clip from, but it's Ethan Klein basically breaking this down.
00:21:29.000I'll play a little bit of this so you can hear what he has to say.
00:21:32.000And what I saw in that Discord was universal, near-universal praise for Hamas.
00:21:40.000Near-universal saying people deserved it.
00:21:43.000People near universally calling me a Zionist pig and mass-murdering genocidal freak.
00:21:51.000And if you want to know the truth, that shit fucked me up seeing that Discord.
00:21:55.000Because it made me realize that a lot of these people are watching this show and it frankly disturbed me.
00:22:05.000Listen, everyone in my periphery, everyone in my circle, all the leftists, uh, people that I watch, that I'm part of, that watch this show, because I consider myself part of that side, are all pretty much uncritically accepting of Hamas propaganda and un-f***ing caring about
00:22:26.000the re-vision, re-writing of history right before our f***ing eyes about this stuff.
00:22:32.000So I'm not seeing a lot of people, even though you might look at the popular media and say,
00:23:17.000Is married to, this is correct Serge, an IDF veteran?
00:23:21.000Yeah, everyone in Israel has to serve with the IDF, her name is Hila, yeah.
00:23:24.000Yeah, and so obviously he's Jewish, he has connections to Israel.
00:23:29.000When he started working with these other leftists, I'm just, look man, I, I, how do you not know the views of the people you're working with?
00:23:42.000The leftist protests going back as far as I know were in support of Palestine, were very critical of Israel.
00:23:47.000I feel like too many of these celebrities just said, I'll do whatever is popular, and now it's blowing up in their faces because they ended up saying, wait, wait, wait, hold on, I can't support that.
00:23:57.000Not to mention, it's this really weird circumstance where you do have massive, massive popular support for Palestine, critical of Israel, but you have major corporations that aren't having none of it.
00:24:08.000A lot of these celebrities are concerned they're going to lose money, they're going to lose jobs, they're going to get fired if they're critical of Israel.
00:24:14.000But at the same time, if you're supporting Israel, you're getting fired too.
00:24:17.000So it's like double cancel culture going on.
00:24:19.000Who's gotten fired for supporting Israel?
00:24:23.000She got fired without notification because she was posting a bunch of stuff on Twitter like, I stand with Israel, people were kidnapped, and what Hamas is doing.
00:24:31.000And then they abruptly post saying, we'll no longer be working with her on the show.
00:24:35.000And she's like, one of the most famous voice actresses in the world.
00:24:41.000My whole life I've seen people getting cancelled and smeared and fired for criticizing Israel.
00:24:45.000So, I mean, no one should be fired for their political views.
00:24:48.000I still think, though, the overwhelming trend is towards targeting people for being critical of Israel.
00:24:55.000I do agree, and I think that's why a lot of these celebrities are just like, uh-oh!
00:24:59.000This is why you're seeing a lot of people on the left calling out Black Lives Matter now, because these leftist institutions, these activist organizations that are critical of Israel, pro-Palestine, are unabashedly coming out and saying like, nah, we're in support of this.
00:25:15.000And then it comes to an extreme degree where you have BLM Chicago posted the paraglider You had several rallies in New York where the activists were actually cheering for Hamas explicitly.
00:25:43.000They were saying that there are certain universities they won't hire from.
00:25:45.000You have James Lindsay going out there saying don't hire college graduates, which is fascinating.
00:25:50.000I mean, he's saying that for all of his very specific James Lindsay reasons, not just not like the Israel thing.
00:25:56.000But yeah, you're seeing a lot of that the thing in New York and the thing with celebrities the thing with celebrities.
00:26:02.000I think that a lot of it they were fine to criticize Israel and support Palestinians because they simply didn't have they simply didn't believe that an attack like this would happen.
00:26:14.000And so I think this was like a visceral reaction to this attack, which is what like the worst one since since the Holocaust apparently it's like worse than the Yom Kippur War.
00:26:26.000When people say it's worse than the Holocaust, I'm like, okay, but there's a dramatic difference.
00:26:31.000The only thing that I care about is the zealotry.
00:26:33.000Yeah, that's what I'm like, okay, okay, but there's a dramatic
00:26:36.000huge difference 1,400 six million. Yeah, and so and so, you know, look
00:26:41.000The issue here is the only thing that I care about is the zealotry is like you had
00:26:47.000One individual I won't name calling for well not I would okay. I'll put this way
00:26:54.000She said, the only reason not to nuke Gaza is because the fallout would affect Israelis, and I'm like, that's insane.
00:27:01.000And then you also have people like BLM Chicago posting the paraglider, and I'm like, y'all people...
00:27:08.000What's interesting about the BLM Chicago thing is that was BLM grassroots and BLM national was very quick to distance themselves from that group.
00:27:16.000Of course they wouldn't have been last year.
00:27:18.000Patrice Cullors has that famous line in 2015 where she said we must end... what did she call it?
00:27:25.000End the project or whatever that is called Israel or something she called it.
00:27:29.000But in New York, when you see activists pulling down American flags and putting up Palestinian flags and stuff, that's not a new sentiment in New York.
00:27:40.000I mean, I lived in Bay Ridge, in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn for a long time, which is a very Arab neighborhood.
00:27:45.000You know, I was often like the only white person basically at the grocery store.
00:27:50.000And that neighborhood had pro-Palestinian marches and stuff.
00:27:56.000Every couple of weeks every month or so you walk outside and see these big gatherings of people opposing Essentially opposing Israel and being pro-palestinian and that's in a neighborhood.
00:28:07.000That's Very Arab, but it's also like got a lot of Jews in that neighborhood.
00:28:12.000So I don't think I wasn't that surprised to see that Erupt and I was surprised at how many people there were but that is a long-standing sentiment coming out of Brooklyn for sure.
00:28:24.000You know, putting aside the content of pro-Palestine expression, a lot of which I would totally
00:28:30.000defend, I still think there's a huge power disparity.
00:28:33.000We're talking about what some activists say or what some signs say.
00:28:36.000When it comes to the media, when it comes to Congress, Rashida Tlaib just got censured
00:28:40.000for endorsing the slogan from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, which I think is a call for
00:28:40.000for endorsing the slogan, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, which I think
00:30:03.000So power disparity really just depends on the subject matter.
00:30:06.000So I know you're specifically referring to the Israel-Palestine, and not necessarily any other subject matters.
00:30:11.000I think the issue with this is, I gotta be honest man, you know, These are the rules that Rashida Tlaib wants to live by.
00:30:18.000I have absolutely no problem with her being censured.
00:30:20.000First of all, it doesn't really do anything.
00:30:22.000It may be bad for her in the long run because clearly other members of Congress don't like her if they're willing to censure her.
00:30:30.000My attitude when it comes to free speech has changed a bit from, I think it was very naive ten years ago, to say something like, we must defend the free speech even for those who disagree with us.
00:30:40.000To where I'm now at, I'll defend the free speech for anybody who defends free speech.
00:30:44.000Anybody who opposes free speech will get no defense from me.
00:30:47.000So if Rashida Tlaib and the people she works with are fine with censorship of other people, I will not be rushing to her defense.
00:30:53.000OK, you know, that's a fair point because you want moral consistency, but I'll defend anyone's free speech.
00:30:59.000So as someone who does support that, I think it's fair to oppose her being censored, especially if we're trying to be consistent.
00:31:04.000People saying it's not moral consistency.
00:31:08.000If we allow people who oppose free speech.
00:31:11.000If there are two forces, and one side says, I will give you leeway, and the other side says, I will not give you leeway, then over a long enough period of time, the compromising party will lose.
00:31:24.000And this is actually the argument made by the left.
00:31:26.000They show that Karl Popper meme all the time about tolerating intolerance.
00:31:29.000I think that's a little dry, but if I simplified it, If Rashida Tlaib says we must defend free speech, defended free speech on campus, denounced the violent riots and the attacks on people for various opinions, I'd be right now saying, like, we must defend Rashida Tlaib because we disagree.
00:31:45.000So, for instance, like Cassandra McDonald, who's a good friend of mine, very critical of Israel, and she's adamantly pro-free speech.
00:31:52.000And so I'm just like, I will absolutely defend Oh, I got it.
00:31:55.000But how do you know that Rashida Tlaib is not pro-free speech?
00:31:57.000Because I know of her also defending the rights of Julian Assange.
00:32:03.000I haven't seen any evidence that she's anti-free speech, except for that she's a Democrat, which I understand it's fair enough in these times to assume if someone's a congressional Democrat, they might have some anti-free speech views.
00:32:21.000Just going back over the past several years relating to various actions that have taken place in and around Congress and various stances and defenses from Congress pertaining to people like Marjorie Taylor Greene versus Ilhan Omar.
00:32:32.000It is free speech when it's something I care about, and if I don't care, I'm not involved.
00:32:37.000But to be fair, it would be prudent of me to, before saying something like that, have a list of examples.
00:32:44.000My point isn't necessarily to single out Rashida Tlaib over this because I don't think she's like the epitome of a guilty party when it comes to not being in support of free speech.
00:32:53.000I agree with them on the Julian Assange stuff.
00:32:55.000And Rashida Tlaib has had several victories in the past, things that I agree with her on as well.
00:33:02.000Censorship is not that big of a deal, but I agree with you on the power disparity for sure when it comes to Israel and mostly because the military-industrial complex and the lobbyists in this country absolutely want conflict, war, contracts, etc.
00:33:18.000Lindsey Graham exemplifies it better than anything else when he says we should bomb Iran with or without evidence.
00:33:23.000What's going on in Israel, I don't think... You know, we were asking... I forgot what we asked on the show about it.
00:33:30.000Because there are some people who are deeply religious, and there's podcasts that have come out where they say things like, this could be the second, or depending on your religion, the first coming of the Messiah.
00:33:40.000And so... And I know it sounds crazy, and there's a lot of people who don't believe this stuff, but there are very serious, prominent Christians and Jews who believe this may be the Messianic era, the Red Heifer, etc.
00:33:50.000I get so pissed about that, because for the Israelis to claim it's a Jewish thing is putting all the Jewish people's lives at risk across the earth.
00:34:51.000Now, though, you do have this phenomenon of these extremists or of these evangelical Christians who are a major base of support for Israel.
00:35:01.000That is important, especially in some congressional races.
00:35:03.000And you also have a pro-Israel lobby to AIPAC, which also can influence congressional races with their sway.
00:35:09.000But the interest has always been the same.
00:35:11.000It's just because also Israel has gone so much to the right and the face of it has become so clear, a lot of its former supporters have turned away from it.
00:35:19.000Because it's not as easy as it used to be.
00:35:51.000So you go far to the left, but you're also twisting up, becoming more an authoritarian
00:35:55.000leftist, which is like fight, do the thing, the river to the sea, or you're going to the right
00:35:59.000and getting twisted up into an authoritarian rightist.
00:36:03.000It smashed them all, the nuclear weapons in Gaza, and like, or you see the people's true colors come out in times of tension if they become more libertarian, like, we should not be committing more arms to this, to escalate it again.
00:36:15.000And then there's some people that, you know, you see the whole globe, and they're like, well, we're in a military, we're basically controlling Earth's military right now, and Israel's a big part of that, if we let it go, That's going to be a big loss to the American military industry.
00:36:26.000Let me tell you what's really fascinating to me is Ron DeSantis, he orders the dissolution of these student groups that state in their documents or whatever that they are not in support of the movement, they are the movement.
00:36:41.000Ron says that they're asserting that they're Hamas, that they're not just activists.
00:36:45.000And some of these, many of these people involved... Do they say we support the Hamas movement or just the resistance movement in general?
00:36:51.000They said, the documents, I want to be careful because it did not say explicitly we are Hamas.
00:36:55.000It said the people who engaged in these fights are freedom fighters and we are part of that movement as Palestinians in exile.
00:37:03.000Okay, so they're saying that they support resistance.
00:37:05.000But I mean... Was that the student voices for Palestine?
00:37:11.000Ron's argument was, if you are claiming to be a part of this movement, this group, then you can't be a student group because that violates the law, okay?
00:37:20.000You can't be actively trying to support a terrorist organization.
00:37:24.000What was interesting is Vivek Ramaswamy came out and said, no way!
00:37:28.000These are students engaged in free speech, I actually talked to him, Vivek, very briefly and I was like, yeah, but did you read it?
00:37:36.000They said they're not support of the movement, they are the movement.
00:37:39.000And he said, students saying stupid things is not the same thing as supplying terrorist organizations or providing material support.
00:37:45.000Ron should not be shutting these people down.
00:37:47.000And then actually on the debate stage said the same thing.
00:37:50.000I have tremendous respect for that because Vivek was not just easily swayed by this argument.
00:37:54.000Many people on the right who are in support of Israel were saying like, oh yeah, but look, they say they are, you know, they're effectively saying they are Hamas.
00:38:00.000Because that's actually, my first instinct was, don't ban the group.
00:38:05.000Okay, well now it's getting interesting.
00:38:06.000Then Vivek pushes back and says, no way, free speech.
00:38:09.000So I think it's interesting, I think it's troublesome that we are definitely seeing there are many people who are pro-Israel that would be on the right that are not for free speech.
00:38:21.000And I think we have to be careful of, I certainly think it's more so on the left than the right, but opportunists who would claim to be for free speech and then at a moment's notice try and ban the speech of someone who speaks at hand.
00:38:32.000They become authoritarian, man, and you see it in the heat of the moment.
00:38:35.000I don't want to put, you know, I really don't want to put Shapiro on blast.
00:38:42.000No, I haven't actually called him yet.
00:38:44.000But like, it shocked me how quickly he was screaming about annihilating a bunch of humans after his, and I, fear can do that to somebody, you know?
00:38:52.000And if he was, when you're the military commander, you don't have time to think.
00:38:55.000He came out pretty early on, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he was very much like, we need a swift, strong counter-offensive, and we need to put this to bed.
00:39:04.000Ben's been pretty adamant that the killing of civilians is a tragedy.
00:39:09.000The difference between him and the typical left is that he's in support of Israel's military actions, which is resulting in a lot of civilian dead.
00:39:15.000His argument, and I don't mean to argue for him, he can speak for himself, but his argument is more so that there's a difference between Hamas flying over and targeting people at a music festival and Israel targeting military leaders and killing civilians in the process.
00:39:29.000However, he has also said the killing of any civilian is a tragedy.
00:39:34.000Jeremy Boring also said the death of any Palestinian civilian, woman or child, as well as Israeli, are tragedies in an equal sense.
00:39:42.000So, I'm not trying to defend what Ben is saying, I'm trying to clarify his position.
00:39:45.000He's not saying just go around killing people.
00:39:46.000It was the way he came out and said it.
00:39:48.000I guess it was the day of or the day after the attack, October 8th or was it the 9th, when he spoke out publicly about it.
00:39:54.000I didn't see him talking about like, well, what happened?
00:39:57.000Why did the attack happen for six hours?
00:39:59.000Why was there no IDF response in six hours of this just raping and pillaging that these Hamas members were doing?
00:41:44.000The majority of it is refugees and their descendants, people who were expelled, ethnically cleansed by Israel in 1948.
00:41:51.000And a country that is occupying someone else doesn't have the right to defend itself in order to perpetuate that occupation.
00:41:58.000If they're being attacked on October 7th, I understand you defend your people.
00:42:02.000But after that, Israel's only obligation is to end the occupation.
00:42:06.000They don't have the right to bomb people because they live in an area where some militants fought back.
00:42:11.000Well, the first thing I would say is...
00:42:15.000I typically am just at a loss for words in terms of the moral arguments between two political bodies that are not the United States and that have like nothing to do with me and what I want or my taxpayer dollars.
00:42:31.000And where we don't really speak those languages.
00:42:34.000I'm like, people are like... But we're paying for it though, we're giving the weaponry.
00:42:37.000Right, so my issue is like, you gotta justify why we're doing that, and why we spend our tax dollars, why everyone in this country is working so hard dealing with, you know, stagnant wages and high cost of goods, and then someone's gonna come and say, we're gonna give Israel whatever they want.
00:43:00.000But there's a war over there, so I'm just like, the moral arguments, well, Israel was there and they were doing this, I'm like, look man, that means, it means nothing to me, right?
00:43:09.000So, if an argument was, hey, you're an American, you pay taxes, do you have a good answer for why it is a large portion of your savings are diluted through this policy of just mass spending, deficit spending, and giving foreign countries military aid?
00:43:27.000But if the argument is, Israel is morally bad for these reasons, but wait, what about the Palestinians, Hamas, they did these things and the people in Gaza support it, I'm like, well that's a debate for the people who are at war with each other and not for the United States.
00:43:40.000It's interesting though, I mean if you, like I was reading an article in the Washington Post today about the pre-planning of the attack on October 7th, and apparently it was like years in the making and there were Yeah, it was like two years in the making and there was I mean, it's sort of fascinating the the planning because they the intentions according to this article were to go for for the for the attackers to get all the way to the West Bank.
00:44:31.000But just to go back to what we were talking about with the Students for Justice in Palestine, that is a national movement.
00:44:37.000They have chapters on campuses all over the country.
00:44:41.000And they're not a not-for-profit, and the National Organization is not a not-for-profit.
00:44:44.000They are umbrellaed by an organization called the Westpac Foundation in Westchester.
00:44:50.000So they are able to take tax-deductible contributions.
00:44:53.000And when those students are saying that they are the movement, it's not a grassroots... Students for Justice in Palestine is not a grassroots organization.
00:45:21.000They staged a national strike on Thursday, and there was some upsetness on the campus, and there were some sit-ins.
00:45:30.000So those groups were banned on the Columbia campus as well.
00:45:33.000I just, I'm like... But it is part of like a national organization, so it isn't just like banning, you know, it isn't just saying like, hey, you formed this student group and you, you know, got funds from the Student Action Committee or whatever.
00:45:47.000It is part of a national, very organized group that has funding that we can't track because they have an umbrella group and they are basically an NGO.
00:45:56.000Oh, ban corporations from protesting on campus, I'm open to that.
00:45:59.000I'm not advocating for or against, I'm just giving information.
00:46:02.000I do not believe that morality is determined based on the strength of a single party.
00:46:10.000Israel is not wrong because they're more powerful than Palestine.
00:46:13.000Israel wins a conflict, and that doesn't mean they're morally right or wrong.
00:46:17.000Two different groups of people are fighting for a variety of reasons, and they believe they're right and they're justified.
00:46:23.000Many people would agree with one side or the other and they'll make those arguments here in the United States and then fight about it.
00:46:27.000My view is kind of like, don't know, don't know why I'm paying for it, and just because Israel is more powerful doesn't mean they're inherently bad.
00:46:35.000If two groups are fighting, I don't know what you want to do about it.
00:46:39.000There's really interesting conundrums as it pertains to how you deal with these things.
00:46:42.000Let me give you a scenario and ask, like, there's no good way to do a one-for-one analogy, but an example would be, there is a mass shooter in a mall, Unloading an AR-15 at a bunch of buildings, at a bunch of different storefronts, and he's hitting several people.
00:46:59.000A man runs up, aims his weapon at the shooter to stop him, but he's standing in front of a crowd of people.
00:47:05.000Is the answer, do not shoot at him because you will also hit the people behind him.
00:47:46.000Israel even calculated the amount of calories that people could eat without fully starving.
00:47:51.000But that's how we control- But they were also allowing all the money
00:47:53.000from Qatar to go in, like $30 million.
00:47:55.000Netanyahu was allowing Qatar to pop up Hamas because he saw Hamas as a way to undermine international calls for a two-state solution.
00:48:04.000Because even though Hamas in recent years actually tried to moderate its position and say they accept a Palestinian state in the occupied territories.
00:48:12.000Netanyahu rightly saw their internal divisions and the divisions inside the Palestinian factions as a way to undermine calls for a two-state solution.
00:48:19.000So yes, Netanyahu, and he said this at a meeting, it was quoted, he said, the way to stop a Palestinian state is to prop up Hamas.
00:48:28.000The Hamas leaders, according to this article I read today, I don't have a ton of information on this, But the Hamas leaders were saying that they were advocating they were saying like, oh, we're comfortable with peace.
00:48:39.000We're happy with the situation as it is as they were planning the attack.
00:48:43.000It was like a like a diversion tactic.
00:48:45.000Listen, I think there's a split inside Hamas.
00:48:46.000And I think from what I understand and a lot of the details of October 7th are still murky.
00:48:52.000We don't know exactly, I think, the proportion of people, for example, who were killed on
00:49:13.000And I don't think Hamas rockets could cause that.
00:49:15.000I could be wrong, but what I'm saying is there's a lot we don't know about October 7th.
00:49:18.000We do know there were atrocities by Hamas.
00:49:20.000That is clear, but a lot of the details are still unclear, and also what the goals were of this operation, and there's a split inside Hamas.
00:49:27.000There are people inside Hamas who didn't even know about this, and there are people inside Hamas who... Well, the political leaders, right?
00:49:33.000There are people inside Hamas who advocated accepting a Palestinian state within the West Bank and Gaza.
00:50:00.000Well, because if you're apportioning blame, and you have one side that's occupying another, that's preventing people from leaving, from living normal lives... Egypt?
00:50:10.000Egypt was participating in the blockade.
00:50:13.000But Israel's occupying... Egypt could open up the Rafah Crossing and say, everyone, you're free to... They could let everyone flee, but then that's a dilemma, because then you're basically accepting Israel's ethnic cleansing goals.
00:50:21.000Israel wants to drive all those people out, which it's doing now.
00:50:24.000And so Egypt, yes, Egypt was totally complicit So both Egypt and Israel are at odds with each other, and the Gazans are caught in the middle?
00:50:32.000Yes, but again, Israel is the occupying power.
00:50:34.000Israel controls everything that gets into Gaza.
00:50:57.000But Israel is the power that displaced all these people in Gaza to begin with, has occupied them, has besieged them, has routinely attacked them.
00:51:06.000This is not the first Israeli attack on Gaza.
00:51:23.000Well, then you have a Zionist movement recognizing that there are people inside the land of Palestine which they want to colonize.
00:51:31.000Jabotinsky, who was an early Zionist leader, said Zionism is a colonizing project.
00:51:35.000Lord Balfour, who was the British official who promised a Jewish homeland in Palestine, said that...
00:51:41.000With that letter, he said, I'm paraphrasing him, he said, we're going to go ahead with this because even though, yes, this isn't an inconvenience or it's a hindrance to the Arabs who live there, but this Zionist project is more important.
00:51:54.000And so when you deny people the right to nationhood in their own land, there's going to be a problem.
00:51:59.000And Israel accomplished that with ethnic cleansing.
00:53:34.000The Arabs were like, okay, they betrayed the Ottomans, the British won the war, and then the British were like, psych, we're keeping it for ourselves.
00:53:40.000That is what led to the Germans hating the Jewish people leading up to World War II.
00:53:44.000So it created all this, they were like, they stole it, the Zion, they created a land of Israel, like these Jewish, so that's where all this German hate came from.
00:53:52.000It's just something I heard recently and it made total sense.
00:54:06.000Yeah, I mean there was all this stuff also in the Middle Ages.
00:54:09.000Jews in Europe, for the most part, were not allowed to own property.
00:54:14.000And so that's why you have such a, that's why you ended up with a history of Jews involved in banking and lending.
00:54:20.000It's because they weren't allowed to own property.
00:54:22.000So they had to find some other way to make an income.
00:54:25.000I'm just thinking, like, what's the solution?
00:54:28.000Well, listen, for me, ideally, it would be equality for everybody, because I don't believe in the supremacy of any ethnicity, even though there's a big history of persecution of Jews.
00:55:10.000Because right now there are people who live in houses and they're not party to what you're describing.
00:55:15.000Someone maybe like moved in later and got a house and they live somewhere.
00:55:18.000The kibbutzes in Israel that got attacked, some of these people are just like, I bought a house, I don't know.
00:55:24.000So what would happen, do you think, if the barriers around Gaza were completely removed and Israel said all people of Gaza are free to move about the state of Israel?
00:55:34.000Well, if Israel did that, and they finally took responsibility... I'm saying, what if they just moved the barricades and said, everyone, you're free to move as you please?
00:55:42.000Well, at this point now, people are so destitute, they'd be looking for water and food.
00:55:48.000So after you shorted that out, and people actually got their basic needs, which Israel is depriving them of... Look, I've been to Gaza.
00:56:13.000I'm not giving up my home now to an indigenous person, even though an indigenous person lived there, I'm sure, before and were ethnically cleansed a long time ago.
00:56:22.000So we recognize that historical injustice has happened, and you have to find a way to redress it.
00:57:14.000Well, it does matter because if Israel took responsibility for it, finally, and said, we stole your homes, we're sorry for it, now we have a problem where we have all these people here, we've built up a state, we're not going to let everyone come back, but we will compensate for you and apologize.
00:57:33.000I'm not saying I have a solution, I'm saying the idea... So this is what I'm proposing is take responsibility, apologize, and remove all the settlements from the West Bank.
00:57:40.000And so that means there are people who are there who have no idea, like... Yes.
00:57:45.000They got a house and they moved in and they were like, wow, we're moving into a house and now it's like the government's gonna come and take their land from them.
00:58:19.000Well, Israel has... You can't go back and say, well, back then someone... I'm saying right now... Israel has recognized international boundaries.
00:58:26.000Right now... Nobody recognizes... He's talking about the geography of what it was in 1948.
00:59:03.000And the Palestinians would get to return to that land.
00:59:06.000Displacing the people I'm saying you recognize the right and you now Just because you recognize a right that doesn't mean you fully implement everything that comes with it You at least though you have to if there's a historical injustice and it's still causing so much Okay, but listen, you have to at least recognize and right and so if Israel came out and said yes, we stole your land.
00:59:25.000Yes Yes, we occupied you and you and we're not gonna give it back You think that's going to be like, well, we're cool.
00:59:31.000Well, listen, I understand why Palestine would never accept that because their land was stolen from them.
00:59:36.000If you meet so many Palestinians still have the keys to their homes.
00:59:39.000I'm trying to think of a practical solution to this horrible problem.
00:59:43.000And ideally, I think everyone should have the right to come back to their homes because I do believe in equality.
00:59:49.000If we accept, though, that Israel has these recognized boundaries and Israel's nuclear weapons, And so the idea of getting them to accept equality is pretty impractical, then at least at minimum, the very minimum that we should do is recognize the historical injustice that's happened to Palestinians and then work within that to find a solution.
01:00:05.000And to me, it's based on international law.
01:00:07.000These settlements have no right to be there.
01:00:35.000If someone came to your house holding up a Bible and saying, hey, my family lived here 3,000 years ago or 2,000 years ago, does that give you a right?
01:00:42.000But does that give them a right to come and take your home?
01:00:44.000Because that's basically like the Zionist...
01:00:45.000So what is the time frame then, 50 years?
01:02:27.000Because we're responsible for it, and because the injustice is so... I bet you could figure out a way that we're responsible for Myanmar, too.
01:02:33.000I'm sure that we had our hands in there somewhere.
01:02:35.000All I'm saying is, like, we need to get back to America first, and I'm sure at the bare minimum, like, There are many people who I see are very critical of Israel, and I'm like, I don't know what that's all about, and I don't want to get into a moral argument.
01:02:48.000stop funding everything outside of the United States and go back to securing its borders, building up jobs here, helping the working class, maybe fixing some of the pipes in the roads and infrastructure?
01:02:56.000We can agree, because the people were like, stop funding Israel!
01:04:17.000Outrage as San Francisco boots vagrants off streets ahead of Xi Jinping visit as California Governor Gavin Newsom admits Woke City was only given polish to impress world leaders.
01:04:40.000But it's also true, for months and months and months prior to APEC, we've been having different conversations.
01:04:48.000Alright, so here's what I want to say.
01:04:50.000Imagine having a roommate, there's pizza boxes everywhere, the dishes are all dirty, there's grime everywhere, and you go, dude, I'm paying rent too, clean up your mess.
01:05:11.000Like, I'm glad you're cleaning up, I'm glad you're cleaning up, but you should have cleaned this place up a long time ago, and this proves you could have done it.
01:05:19.000I guess the difference in the analogy is, the argument is, oh, it's so hard to deal with, and how do we help these people, and then what do they do?
01:05:26.000They put a bunch of horse troughs along the street to block tents?
01:05:29.000Did they go at 4.30 in the morning with fire hoses and hit them all?
01:05:38.000I mean, it is full-on fire hosing people's tents and destroying... In New York a lot of times they just give people a bus ticket and they're like, get the hell out of here.
01:05:50.000It was like a massive fire and it also melted the freeway and the freeway is now unusable.
01:05:56.000Honestly, that's happened so many times.
01:05:58.000Remember during the pandemic, like I would literally be driving around LA and there'd be usually be on the highway somewhere, there'd be a fire underneath an overpass.
01:06:04.000It's like a regular thing that I saw many, many, many times.
01:06:06.000I was driving out of DC last week with my son and he was in the car and he was just like, Whoa, what's with all these tents?
01:06:14.000Why are there all these people just sleeping out here in the street?
01:06:17.000And I was like, that's our nation's capital, hon!
01:06:19.000That's what we got going on with so many people.
01:06:22.000Earlier you mentioned, like, we're all created equal.
01:06:24.000You were talking about equality and, like, being there for all of us.
01:06:27.000But how do you deal with this excess of humanity that lives off of the tit or just is, like, sick and they just live on the street?
01:06:33.000Like, what are you, what's your proposition?
01:06:35.000I don't refer to unhoused people as the excess of humanity.
01:06:37.000The people who are excess of humanity, the people who are destroying this earth, the warmongers, the people who are using populations as sacrificial lambs and killing them, like Israel's doing, like what's happening in Ukraine.
01:06:49.000But basically, I connect this to foreign policy.
01:06:51.000Instead of spending all this money on arming Israel and also arming Ukraine, why can't we build homes for people who need them?
01:06:58.000Well, I like that, but that's not a solution.
01:07:02.000I used to work for a homeless non-profit.
01:07:04.000The first question I have to ask is, why is a person homeless?
01:07:06.000And it's typically not because they're poor.
01:07:09.000There's other underlying factors that result in them being poor.
01:07:11.000That's what I mean by the excess of humanity.
01:07:12.000People that have gone broken in their heads.
01:07:14.000So the issue is, if you take a homeless person and put them in a house, House falls apart, house burns down, electrical problems, plumbing problems, maintenance, taxes, property taxes.
01:07:24.000You can't just make a house and put somebody in it.
01:07:29.000Like, fund social services to support people who need it.
01:07:32.000And now here's where I'll agree with you.
01:07:34.000I would love to apply a wealth tax, but only to the military industrial complex corporations.
01:07:42.000I would love to strip the wealth and tax at 100% all the warmongers and take all of their money and literally, I would totally be okay with this, hand it out in cash to random homeless people.
01:07:57.000But then they wouldn't be making profit.
01:08:00.000I am saying I would rather a crazy homeless guy walking around just spitting and have $100,000 in cash stuffed in his pockets if it means the military-industrial complex is not funding and starting more needless nonsense wars.
01:08:16.000I'm bullish on the military-industrial complex these days.
01:08:19.000Think about the economic boom of all the homeless people buying cheeseburgers and sub sandwiches.
01:08:24.000So when I said excess of humanity, I just mean that I'm finding that some people have either gone totally psychotic due to drugs or like lack of connection with humanity and they've just gone into wild feral mode.
01:08:37.000And they don't want, they shit on the street, they don't want to get a job, they don't want to take a shower, they're looking for their next fix, they carry sharp blades on them.
01:08:47.000Well, a lot of people would say also that those people who are, you know, living rough, as you would say, or sleeping rough, that they should be allowed to do that.
01:08:55.000That they shouldn't have to be forced into society's way, right?
01:08:59.000Like, shouldn't there be a place where people who don't want to conform to society's standards can exist differently?
01:09:06.000Okay, then what we do is- You probably shouldn't be on the city streets.
01:09:10.000We go to Wyoming, and we take like 400 acres, and then we say- You're just like, here.
01:09:15.000After a certain amount of time of you being unhoused in this area, you will be given a structure in the middle of Wyoming, and best of luck to you.
01:09:23.000That would be an interesting, weird Kafkaesque scenario.
01:09:26.000That would lead to some serious Shirley Jackson-style novels coming out of there.
01:09:43.000There's an interesting thing too, like in, you probably saw this in Chicago over the weekend, some people who were in Chicago, illegal immigrants from Venezuela, they were like, we don't like it here, it's cold and we can't get work.
01:09:56.000And in New York, the governor at, governor, Mayor Adams turned Floyd Bennett Field basically into a tent city and so some people were moved out of their shelters and they went to this tent city in Floyd Bennett Field and they got off the bus and they were like, we don't want to be out here.
01:10:12.000It's out like it's the old JFK Airport.
01:10:14.000Let me ask you, Erin, you said unhoused.
01:10:34.000Yeah, I think what the left has done is try to sweep the problem under the rug, exemplified by exactly what the Democratic supermajority of Los Angeles does every single time the issue comes up.
01:11:18.000Well, not everybody agrees with property taxes, but property taxes exist for a reason for supporting the roads and the community and the schools and things like this.
01:11:26.000The average homeless person is not homeless because they're like, you know, I just lost my job and now I'm, you know, in hard times and if only I had an opportunity.
01:11:35.000What I encountered when it came to homeless people, having worked for various homeless non-profits and advocacy non-profits, is young people who choose to be homeless, but they want to be, There's a group in Seattle called the Avrats, train hoppers, people who are in their late teens early 20s who are intentionally homeless and you would never get them into a house.
01:11:57.000And then we encountered like 80% of the homeless people are mentally unwell to the point where If you put them in a house and did not have a worker who was maintaining that house and caring for them, the house would probably burn down.
01:12:10.000They'd turn the stove on maybe, or they'd turn the water on.
01:12:14.000You know, we had an issue where... This is scary stuff for homeowners.
01:12:18.000Water was left on and the drain wasn't going down.
01:12:21.000And then after like 30 minutes, all of the ceiling of the basement, or I shouldn't say all, but like 30% destroyed just because the drain wasn't going down properly and it poured over the sink.
01:12:34.000So we've dealt with all of this, like, uh-oh, we put a homeless guy in a house, he turned the bathtub on, it overflowed, the house got flooded, destroyed everything, the house is unlivable.
01:13:00.000Wish I could call the super in this building and be like, hey, this isn't working.
01:13:04.000You need to come up and fix this, blah, blah, blah.
01:13:06.000Anyway, my point is it was it was always really frustrating for me when I'm like, wow, we've raised X amount of dollars to help the homeless.
01:14:21.000You're going to harm yourself and others.
01:14:23.000I'm actually in favor of most drugs being legal to varying degrees, so this is tough.
01:14:28.000And the serious and difficult position is, should the state arrest, and I don't mean like criminally arrest, I mean like...
01:14:37.000Restrict the movement of, and forcefully detain, a person who is persistently homeless.
01:14:43.000And if you want to solve the problem, that's what you have to do.
01:14:47.000What San Francisco does, and many of these other places do, is they'll load them up on buses and send them somewhere far away.
01:14:53.000And then just cross their fingers the problem doesn't come back.
01:14:56.000How did San Francisco deal with the homeless problem?
01:14:58.000Well, all I know is, video one shows a bunch of tents, video two shows a bunch of horse troughs full of water, blocking where the tents used to be.
01:15:06.000Which likely indicates the government came by force, removed all the tents, kicked everybody out, destroyed everything, and then put up these horse troughs so Xi Jinping could come here in peace.
01:15:16.000All they're doing is saying, F you to the homeless people.
01:15:18.000But, if we made community, uh, communal Shelters, where if you're persistently homeless, you will be brought, you can't leave, then we're talking about some kind of, it's going to require a due process system, it's going to require legislation, and unfortunately, either you remove these people forcefully and place them somewhere where they will be under better control, or you do what San Francisco did and just boot them out and then have them wander somewhere else.
01:15:48.000Let's put all the effort that we put into warmongering, funding these proxy wars in
01:15:53.000Ukraine, funding Israel to bomb people of Gaza.
01:15:56.000Let's put all the money we put into that into a huge effort to give people shelter and give
01:16:02.000people the social services and support they need because, as you say, a lot of people
01:16:07.000are dealing with serious mental illness issues, drug addiction, trauma.
01:16:12.000Let's try to address that first, and if that doesn't work, if after we actually do a war-like effort, like a huge effort, if that doesn't work, then okay, I think you have an argument for using some coercion.
01:16:23.000The warmongers should also be put up on stage and everyone gets the point and laugh at them as their wealth is taken from them.
01:16:33.000I think that there are definitely some things that should be done in order to prevent homelessness, even as difficult as it is to solve homelessness.
01:16:41.000There should be housing for kids that age out of foster care.
01:16:46.000You should get somewhere to live if you're 18 and you're no longer in the foster care system.
01:16:52.000Like those people, like if you come out of foster care, you're 18, you're not going to college, you have no money, you have no resources.
01:16:59.000The real solution- The city should help you get a house, like somewhere to live.
01:17:01.000The real solution- So that you're not homeless.
01:17:13.000You mean like the whole- There is no acceptable moral position in the homelessness problem we are facing right now That any group would be okay with.
01:17:32.000A person gets arrested accused of dereliction and then they're brought before a judge to prove whether or not they're destitute and then you don't have enough money so now you're going to be locked up or something?
01:18:07.000You're going to get Hunger Games or Elysium-style world where the ultra-wealthy will build bridges between skyscrapers so they don't have to go onto the ground level where all the feces and disgust is, or the government comes and sweeps everybody out, which, pick your poison, both are dystopian and horrifying.
01:18:24.000What do you think about reopening the mental institutions?
01:18:27.000That's been talked about by the Republicans during the debates.
01:18:29.000Donald Trump was talking about that, yeah.
01:18:32.000You know, I don't know enough about that, but I do know that people definitely need support, and there has to be a humane way to do that, and the people who work on the ground are the best advocates for that and the best experts on that.
01:18:42.000I know plenty of people who work with the unhoused who have all kinds of ideas and talk about the needs that people have and how they're not being addressed because there just isn't the funding for it.
01:18:53.000How about we try to put some serious effort into this issue, treat it more seriously, than we do treating the need to fight foreign wars and bomb people.
01:19:04.000I gotta stop with the unhoused thing, dude.
01:19:07.000The unhoused thing is, like, I think it's leftist doublespeak to manipulate public policy positions because you don't, like, define house, right?
01:19:19.000So what we're saying is somebody who lives in some kind of structure, but it's not a house, so they're unhoused.
01:20:03.000No, I think it's just, I think it's manipulative doublespeak to control a narrative and shift, and gradually shift positions towards... I know dudes that... Give people houses.
01:20:10.000Or people that have slept on the street that say, I have a home, and it's right over there on 5th Avenue, so don't call me homeless.
01:20:16.000And I'm like, well, you're sleeping out in the open, and it's like, yeah, but that's my home, so I'm not homeless.
01:20:20.000If you rent your friend's couch, are you homeless?
01:21:11.000If somebody makes the choice to not have a home and they're so resourceful and so skilled that they can live out in the world like that, I say respect.
01:21:39.000Do you understand why that's hard to believe?
01:21:43.000Because you've never worked in the industry and you have no idea what you're talking about.
01:21:48.000I did spend a summer working with the unhoused population.
01:21:53.000You think a guy who's... It sounds like you have more experience than I do because I just spent one summer It's just like, go to California, go to L.A., some areas in Westwood, I know UCLA's up there, so they push a lot of this stuff out.
01:22:07.000But I remember going to a shopping center somewhere, where was I?
01:22:10.000Somewhere near Hollywood, slightly west of Hollywood, and it's like five homeless guys all living up against the side of a building, and a lady gets out of the tent, walks in the middle of the street, just takes a dump.
01:22:19.000And when you go to them and be like, We got a bed, we got a private room, and they say, F you!
01:23:20.000We're better off, because in the long run we save money if we're not engaging in these garbage wars for no reason.
01:23:23.000We can legitimately print, 3D print, graphene homes for people, but the key is to get them in, to get them to want to take a shower and join the system when people are already checked out of the system.
01:23:33.000We had some people who would stay in, there were forever shelters and there were temporary shelters.
01:23:38.000And if you were a consistent temporary shelter individual, they could upgrade you or move you to the permanent shelter.
01:23:43.000There were legitimate people that I have met who were like, man, I lost my job and I have no friends and I don't know how to do anything.
01:23:50.000Like, you give me a job, I'll do whatever it takes.
01:23:53.000But these people don't exist as much in, like, the reason why homelessness tends not to be that is because those people will, given the opportunity, leave instantly.
01:24:02.000A guy's homeless for two weeks, the shelter comes up and says, we want to help you.
01:24:06.000He goes, please, I'll take whatever you got.
01:24:09.000Three months later, he's sharing an apartment with some other guys, a couple hundred bucks a month, no longer a homeless problem.
01:24:15.000But the reason why most homeless people you see in the street are there is because they want to stay there and don't want to leave.
01:24:20.000In Chicago, for instance, they use these bridges to make little villages.
01:24:24.000And they, in between each pillar, there's like, so the way it works is there's sidewalk, and there's an elevated portion with pillars.
01:24:31.000And they set up beds in between each section.
01:25:01.000It was this really nice little historic town in Maryland.
01:25:03.000And there were, I took a picture, syringes and condoms on the ground.
01:25:06.000And I'm like, it's because we've become, and this is why I say there's no moral answer.
01:25:12.000Americans do not want to accept that you need some kind of, like, harsh force and authority when it comes to what people are doing in public.
01:25:29.000But there was heavy, heavy social and police enforcement.
01:25:33.000You're walking around drunk in public, they would lock you up.
01:25:37.000They still do, sort of, to this day, depending on the degree of drunkenness, but most people just ignore it now.
01:25:41.000In my experience, people who are dealing with addiction and mental illness and other really self-harmful behavior are dealing with trauma, something really bad that's happened to them from a very, very young age.
01:25:53.000And what I would want to do in any kind of effort to alleviate homelessness is address that.
01:25:57.000I agree with you that providing shelter and a home is not a panacea.
01:26:26.000I mean, you've worked... I'm talking about one city, by the way.
01:26:29.000I'm not talking about like every city in the country or everywhere I've been.
01:26:32.000But you're saying that if you went around to all the people in LA and offered them a home, a place to live, the majority would not accept it?
01:27:01.000And if you have 3,000 homeless people and you go around asking each and every one of them, you eventually counter someone who gets agitated and crazy.
01:27:07.000They're scared because, I mean, they'll take your stuff from you.
01:27:14.000They'll tell you what you can and can't do, they'll tell you when you can go outside and when you can't go outside.
01:27:18.000So nobody wants to be in these situations.
01:27:20.000But if you tell someone, we've got a place for you to sleep, you can get cleaned up, they'll say okay, and then they'll start using it to amplify the negative behaviors that were causing the problems in the first place.
01:27:29.000Well then I'd want to know why they have that drive to perpetuate their negative behaviors.
01:29:35.000As I have actually, having been an unhoused person several times in my life, the implication that I was hungry simply because I didn't have my own place to live is like offensive.
01:30:05.000Like, the assumption that people who are playing music in the street, side note, are homeless, the assumption that someone who might be homeless is also hungry, these are all completely incorrect things.
01:30:14.000And I think it stems from these well-to-do liberal types in cities.
01:30:19.000Wanna help, and I can respect it, but they actually make the problem worse.
01:30:22.000But why not be touched that someone feels compelled to try to help somebody out, even if they got you wrong, they read you wrong.
01:30:28.000That, uh, they're compelled to try to help you, I think, is a nice thing.
01:30:32.000So, I'm not saying it's not, but if there's a dude who is constantly doing drugs, and you're like, you know what, these drugs are really bad for him, but I'm gonna help him make sure he gets the drugs done right.
01:30:43.000Like, I don't know if you're actually helping the guy. I think
01:30:47.000you know it depends how stop it if he's using if he's using dirty water to you know inject heroin
01:30:52.000then if you're giving him clean needles I do think that's helping him because you're preventing him
01:30:58.000from possibly you're helping to prevent him from or you can just stop him from doing
01:31:01.000drugs well you can't do that though because the question is um why is it why is he doing drugs in the
01:31:07.000first place and And 100% of the time, it's because of some trauma.
01:31:19.000So, a large component of what causes it is someone gets injured, they get prescribed opioids, and they get addicted, and they can't get off.
01:31:26.000Then when the doctor cuts them off abruptly, they go seek black market means of getting it and creates a bunch of criminals.
01:31:32.000So, it's not so much about trauma, but like- But not everyone who gets injured gets addicted to opioids.
01:31:36.000The question is- But a lot of people got prescribed it- Yes, they did.
01:32:09.000I've been seeing him all over TV lately.
01:32:11.000Anyway, but I'm not going to speak for his work, but I'm just saying is consider the possibility that people who are addicted, it's not the drugs in and of themselves, it's what the drugs are doing for their pain.
01:32:23.000And I think unless you address that, you're not going to be able to address the issue.
01:32:33.000It's going to go up Friday because it's one of my cultural segments.
01:32:36.000And it's a woman being like, I have to work so that I can buy a house so that I can live in it, but I'm never there because I have to work.
01:34:01.000If there's no food, they have to go somewhere to get food.
01:34:05.000If we made it so that food could only be given to the homeless in like a place 70 miles away from the cities, and then all anyone could do is be like, We gave our contribution to the distribution center.
01:34:15.000It's 70 miles outside of the city and that allowed for homeless people to go somewhere else to get resources because we want to help them.
01:34:22.000Then it keeps them out of cities and stops the spread of disease.
01:34:24.000That'd be better than just saying, I see you sleeping there on the ground in your own waste.
01:34:28.000I see disease spreading and wild animals and mange.
01:34:32.000Let me give you food so that you can keep doing it.
01:35:08.000She helped all these women get jobs because she gave them like the right outfits to go into a job interview and look presentable.
01:35:16.000There's a lot of different ways that you can help people without facilitating a degenerative lifestyle.
01:35:21.000Yeah, you mentioned how feeding the people is feeding the problem and Michael Schellenberger has done a lot of reporting on the California homeless problem and how these organizations, these multi-million dollar charities are receiving money to fund the people and then they just keep receiving money to keep funding the problem and the problem never ends because if the problem ends then the charity goes away and they lose their job so they've kind of got a An incentive structure, there's like an industry built up around it.
01:35:45.000That's like what happened to the Human Rights Campaign.
01:35:47.000The Human Rights Campaign was founded to get gay marriage passed, and then once gay marriage got passed, they switched to trans stuff.
01:35:59.000Every major non-profit that's looking at mass revenue, they're thinking to themselves, look, I don't want to lose my job, and I don't want to fire everybody.
01:36:06.000So what is the mission of this non-profit?
01:36:07.000Well, if Problem X has been solved, we must come up with Problem Y.
01:36:32.000But fundamentally, since I've never seen an actual mass-scale effort with all the resources that we have to really address this issue, to really meet people where they are, to try to address people's underlying trauma, I'm not willing to endorse this punitive approach where you have to make people go far away to get food, where you have to try to lock people up.
01:37:06.000As I said, there is no moral solution.
01:37:08.000You can't ban someone from giving someone else food.
01:37:10.000But then the problem is... I would agree with you if we had actually tried to address this problem seriously.
01:37:15.000Given that we haven't yet, there hasn't been Again, I'm sorry to repeat myself, but all the money we put into war, if we put into this issue and it still didn't make a difference, fine.
01:37:24.000But I think the solution is actually relatively simple.
01:37:36.000So one of the education like all of education has gone and test scores and everything has gone directly downhill since the founding of the Department of Education.
01:37:45.000Yes, I'm being personally provocative.
01:37:48.000But the point is that we are not teaching people.
01:37:52.000How to function and survive and live well, we are teaching them dependency.
01:37:57.000That was my point, when this young woman is saying, why do I have to work to pay bills?
01:38:02.000You shouldn't have to, you should want to.
01:38:04.000The problem is, human beings that are being raised in the United States over the past few generations, are being raised in such a way that work is some alien thing that is painful to do, whereas it should be enjoyable.
01:38:15.000A guy who likes building tables should be like, man, I built three tables today, I made a really cool one, take a look at my table.
01:38:33.000The issue is that there are many, many people today who want to do nothing.
01:38:38.000So what happens is, The people who are living out in the streets, who want to do nothing, are unable to do nothing, and then create a strain on everyone around them.
01:38:45.000This is causing people to flee cities in California and move en masse to like Florida and Texas, where things are very, very different.
01:39:08.000It's not helping anybody become functioning members of society.
01:39:11.000A liberal arts degree is not something that can help build or create or maintain life.
01:39:17.000And so you got a lot of these young people who are like, I know everything about folklore and mythology, but I'll be damned if I could fix a, you know, change a car tire.
01:39:24.000I'm one of those people, so I get what you're saying.
01:39:28.000But again, I think this comes down to how you view humanity.
01:39:31.000I think your experience with people – and I understand that you have a direct experience with this, so I respect that – has left you with a more cynical view of how people operate.
01:39:39.000Most young people I know, they want to do well.
01:39:46.000Meaningful work means you're doing something that you feel is an expression of yourself, that's contributing to the world that you find meaningful.
01:40:26.000The entire experience is, just do what you're told and we'll provide for you.
01:40:30.000They graduate and they're like, I don't want to do anything.
01:40:34.000Whereas what it used to be is, so for me, I grew up homeschooled as soon as like super early ages preschool, I'm doing education.
01:40:43.000I worked at the family business when I was nine to like 11 years old, took the train and the bus by myself as a little kid, working a job, making money and buying the things that I wanted.
01:40:50.000I had the internet ever since I was a kid.
01:40:52.000So I'm reading things online all day, every day and just learning stuff.
01:40:55.000And it's more and more interesting every day.
01:41:29.000Strip away this education industrial complex.
01:41:32.000The other thing, too, about meaningful work... Rather than abolish the Department of Education, why not actually invest more in the education system?
01:41:59.000And every kid says it, and they've said it for 50 years, and we've never stopped to ask why kids keep saying school sucks.
01:42:06.000And then what happens is you get older people being like, well, it's because response... Nah, not sorry, not true.
01:42:11.000Every video of every kid super excited by the science teacher who's making a rocket ship out of a balloon or something, Or doing the thing with the big water barrel, the water jug, and then they light it and the fire goes poof and shoots out, and they're super excited and having a blast.
01:42:23.000The problem is, those people are so incredibly rare, school sucks.
01:42:27.000And the answer of, let's give more money to what sucks, makes literally no sense.
01:42:31.000Kids, from when I was a kid, to previous generations, have been SCREAMING the machine is broken, and we just tell them too bad.
01:42:39.000Plenty of kids also would hate eating their vegetables, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't eat their vegetables.
01:42:43.000You get Gordon Ramsay to make broccoli and spinach and Brussels sprouts for a kid, and they're gonna- Yeah, you just gotta season that shit, man.
01:43:28.000The teachers, no matter how hard you say that they're working, like, I literally watched them every day for a year and a half when my son was home, you know, because of COVID and whatever.
01:43:38.000And they were teaching him, they were doing like lessons about white supremacy and systemic racism instead of teaching him math.
01:43:45.000They were doing all of this stuff, like for a recent science project he had, the point of the science project was to write a biography of a scientist who was not a white male.
01:43:56.000And my kid was telling me about this class, and I was like, don't do this assignment, this is trash!
01:44:08.000But why did you even bother learning it?
01:44:10.000Well because at a certain point it's important to grasp these basic concepts and in my particular case I don't have a very scientific mind so I'm not a good example.
01:44:18.000Somebody who paid attention to science class.
01:44:21.000I feel bad for all the kids who weren't as lucky as I am that I had entrepreneurs in my family who taught me basic work function and like business management and stuff.
01:44:33.000So you are lucky, that's great, but not everyone has that.
01:44:36.000I know, and so my thing is like, man, how can we stop the corrupt system that is hurting these people and give them something better that can make them happy and passionate and successful?
01:44:47.000Why not give them the same support that you had in your family to be able to learn?
01:44:50.000So here's what you're going to need to do.
01:44:51.000You're going to need to have your family lose their house.
01:44:54.000They're going to have to risk everything on a small business that fails.
01:44:57.000And those life lessons will help them learn the value of hard work and make them passionate about improving and succeeding.
01:45:03.000But if you give them more money for things that are broken, I think you'll get the opposite outcome.
01:45:08.000Or you look at your case and you say, wow, how amazing is it that this family went through all this and still struggled and made it and was able to produce someone like yourself who has knowledge, who is self-sufficient and saying, that's a wonderful thing.
01:45:22.000Let's make sure everyone has the basic opportunities so that if things go bad, that they're self-sufficient too and they have knowledge rather than underfunding their schools.
01:45:56.000A bandage on a wound is a really good idea.
01:45:58.000And then, three weeks later, we looked down at it, and it was covered in dirt and grime, and it was festering, and someone said, I don't think that's helping anymore.
01:46:20.000We need a dramatic overhaul of... Look, man, if Bart Simpson has been saying since the late 80s, school sucks, and it was a laughable idea that everyone agreed with, the system was broken.
01:46:34.000And instead of saying, hey, maybe we should stop the thing that sucks that everyone hates and try and reassess this and create something different.
01:46:41.000The answer just seems to be every single step of the way from the left is just give more money.
01:46:45.000I don't have the fidelity in children's opinions of school like you do.
01:47:01.000Both elementary school, high school, and college I really benefited from, even if at times I didn't enjoy it.
01:47:06.000I mean, kids don't enjoy things when they're difficult and they're boring, but you still benefit from it.
01:47:11.000The presumption that what you experience in schools was beneficial versus the alternative of not being in school, there's no control for that.
01:47:23.000I'm like, I'm the exception that I stopped going to these state funded institutionalized learning facilities that jam your head in a box and take away your ability to survive.
01:47:32.000That obviously work really well for you.
01:47:33.000I just don't think from that you extrapolate that that's a solution for everybody.
01:47:37.000I'm not saying my solution is the solution for everybody, I'm saying the mechanization and industrialization of what we would call learning has failed.
01:47:46.000It's school, and it might be education, but check this out.
01:47:49.000We're going to try and get some super chats in.
01:47:51.000I've always enjoyed learning, but I like interactive learning.
01:47:54.000I think the best way to do it is one-on-one.
01:47:56.000If you have your teacher and your student, maybe your parent and the kid, but I mean it's a big ask for society to start schooling their kids.
01:49:46.000On MSNBC, they said, Trump is a clown with a flamethrower, and a clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower, or something like that.
01:50:04.000Like the clown's like, ah, and then out of the flame is coming Trump's face and he's going, ah, like making the same face as the clown, but you can tell the clown is Donald Trump.
01:50:10.000Or it could be Trump with clown makeup, you know, blowtorching, like... Oh, it could be that.
01:50:16.000You know, like a corrupt symbol of corruption of some sort.
01:53:32.000Paul Tascalo says, as the left aligns with Palestine, haven't heard a peep about sharia law, awful culture of domestic violence, 20% of marriages are an adult male to a female child bride, homosexuality is illegal, strange ally for progressives.
01:53:49.000Keep in mind some of those domestic violence things.
01:53:51.000Like, if they live under oppression, that can cause the disruption of the family, too.
01:53:55.000Like, if you're stressed and you go home to your wife, you know, that can affect your relationship.
01:54:01.000You know, there isn't actually Sharia law imposed in Gaza, but regardless, no matter what you think about that... There is not, you said?
01:54:07.000It's not... Sharia law is not official inside... Hamas has floated it, I'm sure they'd want to, but regardless, no matter what you think about all that, they don't have the right to... Israel doesn't have the right to occupy them and besiege them and kill them and deny them food and medicine.
01:54:41.000If we get to the same conclusion, I don't care how you got there.
01:54:43.000Morally though, if we were talking about Native Americans and we were doing all this today, I'd be like, we should stop doing this stuff.
01:54:52.000If we were talking about millions of Native Americans on a small land, I'd be like, guys, we gotta have a solution.
01:54:58.000If this is not working, it's gonna get worse.
01:55:01.000However, the Israel-Palestine thing is I'm just like... I am just... Look, I care about the morality of humanity and the death and all that stuff, but I'm saying politically...
01:55:12.000We don't even need to argue about the morality of the region, because I think America shouldn't be spending money on all these foreign countries.
01:55:17.000I think I would rather take all of the money spent on all of these foreign countries, put it in a big plastic ball, roll it up to a random guy named Rick's house, and just give it to him.
01:55:31.000It'd be like, you're a trillionaire now for some reason, literally don't care.
01:55:34.000You are the king and have fun with the money because it's better spent on you than anyone else.
01:55:38.000Hey look, an American guy, or woman, in this country with all of that money is infinitely better to me than whatever garbled nonsense we're doing.
01:55:47.000I would push back in that, I would have pushed back because the conquest of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, where else have we taken?
01:56:22.000I love the idea of secure our borders, bring our jobs and manufacturing back, restore a solid American culture with good moral foundations.
01:56:30.000Like, that means life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
01:56:31.000That means individual liberties, meritocracy.
01:56:34.000It means we don't keep work... Look, these people who are like, why do I have to work and pay taxes just so I can struggle?
01:56:39.000I'm like, well, I don't agree with the work thing, but at least I can say this to these young people.
01:56:43.000I completely agree the fact that we're paying taxes, which goes into garbage.
01:57:53.000Anytime a bill is passed, or some kind of plan or whatever, to give money to a foreign country, no matter what they think will happen, the bank account gets all redirected to Ian.
01:58:05.000Okay, then we're gonna use half a billion of it to create closed system nuclear recycling systems to create thorium salt.
01:58:10.000Bro, you could buy a historic collection of Playboys for all I care.
01:58:12.000You get the money, no more warmongers.
01:58:15.000He had a historic collection of Playboys, and he kept them.
01:58:19.000He kept them in the like front room, the little front room, just in a little stack between two chairs, both of which were, you know, covered with plastic because that's what my aunt Dora did.
01:59:45.000You know I learned one of these shelters my favorite thing I learned was that they would pitch that they were their shelters were at capacity and so they were in desperate need of donations so they could expand and the reality was all the shelters were empty because the homeless people did not want to be in them.