In this episode, host Seamus Coghlan is joined by Majid Nawaz, host of the London Broadcasting Company's "Leading Britain's Conversation" and co-host of the popular radio show "Love Doctor" to discuss all things World War III. Topics covered include: - Russia's nuclear threat to invade Ukraine - U.S. cancels Minuteman III ICBM test - Chile passes anti-discriminatory legislation - and much more!
00:00:24.000is taking it seriously, and I think it's good news.
00:00:26.000I think it shows that there is an interest in preventing it.
00:00:30.000Right now we're hearing that Russia is... Well, their foreign minister has said World War III will be nuclear, it will be devastating, effectively telling NATO, if you interfere in Ukraine with what's going on, You're gonna start World War 3, it's gonna be nuclear, and I think the one thing we should all be focusing on is whatever we can to make sure something like that doesn't happen.
00:00:50.000I don't believe in mutually assured destruction, though, and we'll get into that.
00:00:52.000I do think a nuclear war would be devastating, but I don't think it would be like the movies.
00:00:56.000So, I will just stress, it is good news that it's happening.
00:00:59.000We have a bunch of really crazy news, though, coming out of what's happening with Ukraine.
00:01:03.000EA Sports is going to be removing Russian teams from video games.
00:01:06.000The Ironman is banning Russian and Belarusian athletes.
00:01:42.000And then we got something that I think is absolutely fascinating.
00:01:45.000Chile has passed an anti-discrimination bill For employment, where you cannot discriminate against someone who has altered their genetic material or have been mutated?
00:01:55.000Now that is strange, and I think it'll be interesting to talk about, especially in the context of the Great Reset, the World Economic Forum, and just a lot of what's been going on with these strange international dealings.
00:02:07.000Joining us to discuss all of this is Majid Nawaz.
00:03:05.000And if you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
00:03:06.000I had a weekend show, it was doing quite well, but my views on opposing mandates, COVID mandates I call them, And calling out Klaus Schwab.
00:03:15.000Yeah, they led to some difficulties and controversy.
00:05:00.000It's like 50 years later and there's like some kids in school and they're like, well, the unification happened when Seamus Coghlan and Magid Noir had a conversation.
00:06:30.000So I had this chat with Sam Harris in this, it eventually became this book that he and I co-authored together, Islam and the Future of Tolerance.
00:06:38.000And I used it in that conversation with him and the phrase blew up.
00:06:42.000But actually, it had already been used in my autobiography, Radical, which I think was 2012?
00:06:46.000I was very upset with the left because they had adopted this kind of relative approach to morality that I found was... Seeds of tyranny.
00:07:38.000It's going to be really fascinating, so don't miss it.
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00:09:15.000Do you think there's a real prospect for escalation outside of Ukraine?
00:09:20.000Well, there is a danger of escalation if you look to What some of the politicians are pushing there.
00:09:27.000You look at some of the voices and how they've been talking about this war and it's worrying.
00:09:32.000I don't think it's going to happen, but I do worry about some of these voices.
00:09:36.000It's interesting if you notice a pattern, right?
00:09:38.000The same voices that wanted to impose COVID mandates on everybody else to protect themselves are the same voices that would want to send our sons and relatives to war to protect themselves.
00:11:16.000I mean, look, Putin invaded a country, right?
00:11:19.000Nobody can countenance or condone the invasion of any country.
00:11:24.000I just find it strange that the voices that, some of the voices that, till this day, don't accept it was wrong to invade Iraq or Afghanistan, are now condemning Putin's invasion of a foreign country.
00:11:34.000I seem to think of it as we're invading Iraq right now.
00:11:46.000The thing is, what I find amazing with this, and I think it's really interesting that we're, I believe we're in, George Orwell in 1984 split the world up.
00:12:00.000Oceana, which was Landing Strip 1, which is the UK, and then America and its sphere of influence, which includes what we call the Five Eyes, so Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the Anglo-Saxon sphere.
00:12:12.000The other block that Orwell used in 1984 was East Asia, and that just considered China in that area.
00:12:22.000And then there was the disputed territory, which, if you think about today, it's very accurate.
00:12:28.000It was the Muslim-majority lands that are the subject of the whims of the other three and still disputed, right?
00:12:35.000So if you look at how Orwell divided the world, it's so curious to me today that when you look at these blocks emerging and you look at the current conflict, you can see a Eurasia, the Russian sphere of influence, emerging.
00:12:46.000You can see post-Brexit Oceania emerging, which is the Anglo-Saxon world.
00:12:51.000And you can see China already there with East Asia, and you can see that they are all fighting over the resources in the Middle East.
00:12:57.000It's very curious to see how accurate Orwell's vision of the world was.
00:13:00.000I wonder if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, like Jules Verne would draw the submarine in 1820 or whenever, well before they ever created them.
00:13:07.000And then, you know, art becomes a reality.
00:13:09.000You had very primitive submarines prior to that, actually.
00:14:13.000So when we condemn, and we should condemn, Russia's invasion of Ukraine, what we don't realize is that the vast majority of the rest of the world, the vast majority of humanity, are laughing at us because we're still in Iraq.
00:14:26.000We brought up earlier how valuable it is to know what the world was like before the internet.
00:14:29.000If you know what the world was like before the invasion of Iraq, you know that it's not normal.
00:14:34.000And it's the bastardization of truth and justice and honesty and leadership.
00:14:37.000And we've completely lost any moral high ground to talk about this.
00:14:41.000And that's part of the problem that, you know, the media is whipping up such a frenzy over this.
00:14:46.000And then I remember just two years ago, I went on a five day hunger strike because of the Uyghur genocide in China.
00:14:51.000I remember that. And the purpose was to get a hundred thousand signatures on a
00:14:54.000petition because there's a parliamentary petition. If you get a hundred thousand signatures on that petition, you
00:15:01.000Now we got that 100,000 within five days and then it went to parliament and
00:15:07.000then they voted unanimously on the fact that there was a genocide in China, but it was
00:15:12.000only a symbolic vote, which is why it got through.
00:15:15.000It would not have got through if it wasn't a symbolic vote.
00:15:17.000So you got these talking heads like the mayor of London and others like certain politicians, war hawks, who are talking about the need to impose a no-fly zone.
00:15:27.000Over Ukraine, which would mean that we shoot down Russian jets, which is an act of war, right?
00:15:33.000So these idiots don't realise that you end up declaring war on Russia if you do that.
00:15:36.000Those same voices were not only quiet about the genocide in China, the Uighur genocide, but resisted any effort to hold China accountable for it.
00:15:46.000Well, we had the Olympics there, and we still sent our athletes over.
00:15:49.000And what were you mentioning earlier, Tim, with the Russians, that we were pulling their athletes, or can you refresh my memory?
00:15:55.000Yeah, so several organizations have banned Russian and Belarusian athletes from competing, like Ironman did it, and there's a couple others.
00:16:04.000The spirit of the Olympics is that even if you're at war, you send your best athletes, you let them pass through your territory unhindered, and then they all compete, because it's the spirit of human competition.
00:16:15.000And then there are these calls... Look, again, I'm going to have to re-emphasise every time I say something on this topic, but again, Putin should not have gone into Ukraine.
00:16:25.000But he's not hitler and there are these people saying he's the new hitler when you've got an active genocide going on
00:16:29.000in china And the worst part of this is when you talk about hitler
00:16:33.000and nazism in ukraine in 2014 There was a change of regime that we in the west encouraged
00:16:39.000the maidan Uprising that putin would call a coup now, whatever word
00:16:43.000you want to use there was regime change that we We meaning our intelligence agencies
00:16:48.000Backed with full throttle wholeheartedly. We backed that regime change because the government in ukraine was pro-russia
00:16:55.000It pulled out of the affiliation with the EU and we didn't like that.
00:17:54.000Canada, the US and the UK were involved in backing this battalion.
00:17:59.000And then they were incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard.
00:18:02.000And then once Putin attacked, The Ukrainian National Guard from their official and formal and verified Twitter account posted a video bragging that this was an Azov fighter dipping bullets in pig's lard saying that he was going to go and find the Muslims.
00:18:19.000It's like that urban legend, that apocryphal story.
00:18:25.000There's an American general in the Middle East, killed a bunch of Islamic soldiers, but kept one alive and put pig's blood on the corpses and said, go tell everyone what we did.
00:18:42.000I'm saying he probably saw that meme story on the internet.
00:18:46.000Maybe, but the thing is, let's put aside the emotional reaction that some people may have to that video, right, and consider it strategically.
00:18:55.000The mistake historically that Chamberlain made was to appease Nazism in Europe in the belief that they could be of use to defeat the Soviet Union.
00:19:05.000What you've got at the moment is you've got a Nazi battalion as formally incorporated into the Ukrainian army, in their military, and neo-Nazis from around the world are now travelling there to train with them.
00:19:17.000They are armed and they are part of the Ukrainian armed forces.
00:19:20.000My question is, if they win, or if Ukraine is split to East and West and you've got the river in the middle, if Putin takes, from the upper river, if Putin takes Eastern Ukraine, And the Ukrainian regime that's there currently keeps the western part.
00:19:34.000The Nazis that are serving in their National Guard, in their army, who are pretty much the most powerful faction in terms of grassroots mobilization.
00:19:42.000I mean, guys, there are videos of children's summer camps in Ukraine making Nazi sleuths.
00:20:48.000He's a dictator who's not, he's not really keen on elections, but he's not Hitler.
00:20:52.000There's actual Nazis we're funding and backing.
00:20:55.000This sounds like the overthrow of the Shah in Iran when we put the Ayatollah in power.
00:20:59.000And it was like a radical, well, from what I've learned, and maybe you can enlighten me, a radical Islamic regime in power because we wanted it to fight and destabilize the region.
00:21:07.000But then it ended up destabilizing the whole world from my perspective.
00:21:46.000And how come many of these woke YouTubers and personalities who have no problem, in fact, monetize attacking Nazis are now very much in favor?
00:21:58.000Of our support of these groups in Ukraine.
00:22:00.000Right, so, listen, like, promoting a white man at work is deemed racist, but literally funding an actual Nazi armed battalion is fine.
00:22:11.000The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so they say.
00:22:15.000Well, if they're going to say that, then I'm going to hold them to their word and say, so why is it wrong to fund ISIS in Syria and go and join them?
00:22:20.000We've got, we've got UK media calling for British citizen volunteers to go and join the Foreign Legion in Ukraine and join these people.
00:22:39.000Look, ISIS somehow managed to get, I think the famous image was like a Detroit plumbing company pickup truck in Syria or whatever.
00:22:46.000And everyone's like, how did they get this?
00:22:48.000How were these weapons being given to many of these rebel groups ultimately then becoming ISIS?
00:22:53.000And it's because, I think it's fair to say, and correct me if I'm wrong, if the US wants to destabilize a region, they provide material support to insurgent groups or extremist groups who then create problems.
00:23:03.000Well, and so then that begs the question, what's going on in Ukraine, really?
00:23:07.000Like, why have we been funding armed Nazi battalions who have now been incorporated into the Ukrainian regime?
00:23:30.000They said getting access to the Schengen zone, getting access to the European Union means a better economy.
00:23:35.000And Russia wants them to join the Trade Federation, which is similar, but much weaker and smaller, and it was a bad deal for Ukrainians.
00:23:42.000Not to mention, a lot of people I talked to said, honestly, we're scared of what Russia would do if they're given power over us because we saw what happened last time they had power over us.
00:25:10.000But he's the second largest oil producer in the world.
00:25:14.000Now, if you want to understand, if Americans want to understand how that feels, when Ukraine was lost, As in Putin lost Ukraine, it went into the American sphere of influence.
00:25:27.000You end up with calls for it to join NATO.
00:25:30.000And from 1997, the expansion of NATO eastwards has incorporated most of those countries.
00:25:37.000But Ukraine is right on the border with Russia.
00:25:40.000So if you go back to the Cuban Missile Crisis, and you remember what it felt like for Kennedy to have those missiles pointed at America from Cuba, just 100 or so miles away.
00:25:49.000Putin's got to a point where he's saying, you're building bases on my border, you're asking for NATO membership, and this is my backyard, why could Ukraine not have stayed neutral?
00:25:59.000That's the geopolitical conflict that's going on at the moment.
00:26:01.000I think that's part of it, but Latvia and Estonia are NATO members, and they're on the border with Russia as well.
00:26:07.000According to Scott Horton, who was just on Kennedy Nation, he was saying that it was Condoleezza Rice that got them into NATO and put long-range Tomahawk missile nuclear rockets.
00:26:14.000Yeah, but they didn't have the gas going through them.
00:26:17.000So, you know, one of the things I've been saying is there's the belief that a lot of people have a lot of people believe the conspiracy theory Vladimir Putin is fighting Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum and the New World Order.
00:26:28.000You had that that Ukrainian member of parliament who said that we are fighting for a new world order.
00:26:34.000And so there are people who believe that there's this great global battle and Putin is defying it.
00:26:38.000And I'm like, Putin just wants to make sure he's getting the proper resources in exchange for the oil he produces so that he can fund his country.
00:26:43.000I wonder, do you think he has some sort of issue with the World Economic Forum?
00:26:58.000They finally declared non-neutrality in a war for the first time I've ever seen.
00:27:02.000And that's where the Bank of International Settlements is, which is the central bank of central banks.
00:27:06.000Yeah, well, what I can say is that when you cancel Russia from SWIFT and Visa and Mastercard, what you are doing is precipitating the need for Russia to develop its own financial system.
00:27:21.000Now, when you kick Russia out of that, That could lead to a run on Russian banks, and if there's a run on Russian banks, if Germany as it is is dependent on Russian gas, that will have a knock-on effect on Germany's economy, and you could end up with Weimar-style hyperinflation.
00:27:49.000So the huge spike in energy prices has a knock-on effect to the point where stagflation really pretty much ends up destroying the currency.
00:27:57.000So it could end up being used regardless of whether it's planned or not.
00:28:02.000I just look at reality and describe it and say this is what's happening.
00:28:06.000So you could end up with a scenario where, because of stagflation, the dollar as a global reserve currency comes under intense pressure.
00:28:14.000And it's that moment that is used as an opportunity to switch over to central banking digital currencies.
00:28:19.000Well, so let me ask you, what is the relevance of Vladimir Putin being kicked out of, removed from the World Economic Forum website?
00:28:26.000I mean, we're talking about financial currencies, we're talking about the World Economic Forum.
00:28:31.000It feels like I've got a bunch of points that seem like they're connected.
00:28:34.000The World Economic Forum, the International Monetary Fund, the SWIFT payment system, Russia being, you know, starting a war, then being booted.
00:28:45.000I don't think Putin is, but I think that this will be an opportunity for the introduction of, it potentially could be, I should say, for the introduction of central banking digital currencies, which I describe as vouchers.
00:28:58.000But it sounds like what Putin is doing is going to help make that a reality.
00:29:21.000It doesn't matter what Putin intended, if the consequences of kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system mean that you end up with this financial money supply division on the planet, you then have got these blocks, Eurasia and Oceania.
00:29:36.000And what that leads to is, if you can no longer trade with Russian banks, when you're buying Russian gas in your Germany, and you can no longer buy from Russia because you can't pay them, Bitcoin.
00:29:48.000And already we see Bitcoin flooding into Ukraine to fund the opposition, right?
00:30:10.000When you look at the prominence of Bitcoin over the past 10 years, it would not be hard for a nation to gain enough control over the network to create faux centralization.
00:30:23.000A lot of people say, oh, that can't happen.
00:30:51.000The market cap of crypto was substantially less.
00:30:53.000The U.S., NATO countries could have easily bought in and controlled more than 51% of the Bitcoin network, which would give them control over how it works, effectively.
00:31:05.000It's a little bit more complicated than that.
00:31:07.000The point is, It just requires immense managerial power, but from the early stages, we could see the true power of Bitcoin.
00:31:16.000I've long speculated and even told all of my crazy anarchists and libertarian friends, I'm like, what if, you know, you're buying into Bitcoin?
00:31:54.000So they looked at the average, they took a bunch of his posts and found the average time of posting and they said, this shows the individual is in this region of the UK.
00:32:04.000They then looked for a person who fit key details, background, age, interests, hobbies.
00:32:18.000They know what you're buying because they know what everyone else is buying.
00:32:21.000The Bitcoin ledger is publicly trackable.
00:32:25.000And when they talk about Zcash and Monero, which are two cryptos which are supposedly secure, we learned that the FBI was able to track Monero payments when they arrested that woman, the Crocodile of Wall Street lady.
00:32:36.000I think there's, I'm not saying, I'm a big fan of Bitcoin.
00:32:38.000So you're talking about the privacy concerns on the ledger, but what you still can't do is control the supply.
00:34:08.000So when we reach quantum power in that way, and it's sustainable, I think you also end up with quantum encryption that can actually... So the technology improves in its encryption capabilities, not just in its hacking capabilities.
00:34:54.000I don't know exactly when or how, but I do believe that, and I've certainly bought my share of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies because I truly believe it.
00:35:01.000I'm not telling anybody what to do, I'm just saying what I've done.
00:35:04.000I believe there comes a time, we're watching what's happening in Russia, every incentive is being given to them to back their financial markets using Bitcoin as the facilitation mechanism.
00:35:13.000Yeah, that's the consequence of what's happening.
00:35:15.000Or a central bank token, which is worse than, well, it's different than a crypto because it's not on a blockchain.
00:35:33.000Which you can't, even if you can manipulate the Bitcoin price, if you control 51%, what you can't do is say, right, you can't use the tiny bit of Bitcoin that you own to buy that meat.
00:35:46.000It depends on if they can gain control of the exchanges, which they mostly can.
00:35:52.000So if people are, I'll put it this way, they can ban your address from sending or receiving through certain exchanges.
00:36:00.000So they can say all of our financial institutions and mechanism, the companies that facilitate the exchange, we won't allow it.
00:36:06.000The blockchain still exists, which means you could easily find someone who just says, I'll do a direct address transfer outside of an exchange.
00:36:12.000They could do something like a centrally controlled economy could do something where if you have crypto, you have to buy NFTs as vouchers, and then you use those NFTs for specific things.
00:36:20.000So you can only use those NFTs for food, for liquor, for cars.
00:36:25.000The currency would need to be fungible, but they can control the system.
00:36:28.000It doesn't need to be, you know, unique tokens specifically, right?
00:36:31.000I think this is the, so we've got the Chancellor of Exchequer in the UK, Rishi Sunak, openly declaring this, that as the leader of the G7 they're going to introduce central banking digital currencies, right?
00:36:42.000And this is what I'm calling as vouchers.
00:36:45.000And so fiat money pretty much at some stage is going to come to an end.
00:36:50.000And what you've described as the potential dangers and pitfalls of Bitcoin specifically or crypto generally, I still think is a least worst case scenario when you can consider what can happen with CBDC.
00:37:10.000And I think it's going to become a million dollars per Bitcoin.
00:37:13.000It's good that you're doing it because it's like, don't let a crisis go to waste.
00:37:15.000And what's happening is the bankers are looking at Bitcoin as a crisis, and they're trying to make sure that they can turn it into an opportunity.
00:37:21.000Just like Joe Biden encouraged us to do last night in his campaign speech.
00:37:27.000They called it a State of the Union, but it was just a campaign speech.
00:37:30.000At the very end he was like, and what, by the way, the State of the Union?
00:38:12.000The closest real word to the sound he made is Iranian, but it sounded like Uranian, so I was making fun of him like he was talking about Uranus.
00:40:16.000And if anyone's going to come at me and say that that's really insensitive to say about the president of the United States, you are acknowledging that he did sound like that.
00:40:26.000Realistically now, I want to just touch back on Ukraine really quick.
00:40:29.000So you think that he's going to try and... I think I've been thinking almost every day he's going to split the country in half on that river, that reservoir.
00:40:35.000Do you know what the name of the river is?
00:42:37.000It's just people are very very out of touch and they they I find it amazing how um there is now almost it's expected that we take a line on this that is uh this word jingoism right it's a very jingoistic line that we're expected to take almost as if we must back direct action against Russia.
00:42:56.000So that question on your point, that question that the journalist put to Boris Johnson
00:43:01.000when he was in Poland, I say journalist,
00:43:04.000it was somebody purporting to be a journalist who stood up.
00:44:05.000But to put it this way, it would be like me saying, Seamus, If you take one step, you know, in that direction, I'm going to, you know, will hit you or push you or something.
00:44:16.000I have declared my intent to attack him.
00:44:17.000That's, that's, that's, that's not legal.
00:44:32.000People come out here and they talk about war crimes and all of this stuff, and I'm like, these are like rules put in place by European councils and conventions to be like, dare I say, we shouldn't use this kind of weapon.
00:45:08.000That if you are a country of any type, regardless of your laws, and you say, I intend to shoot you out of the sky, you have declared war against them.
00:45:16.000I think war is a specific term that's used in times of specific types of conflict.
00:45:23.000Combat, destruction, and conflict doesn't have to be a war.
00:45:27.000That if you shot Russian jets down, for example, and then Russia shot your jets down in response, and then you started nuking each other, even if Congress didn't declare war, you're in, I was going to swear, You're in war!
00:46:08.000If my neighbor is next to me and I tell him, if you put a drone in the sky, you know, I'll throw a water balloon at it.
00:46:17.000I have declared my intent to take action against him should he do something I don't like.
00:46:21.000Now that's what the, I'm going to say journalist advisedly, this lady, Daria Kulinec, that you've referenced up there, she called on Boris Johnson when he was in Poland, the UK Prime Minister, to declare a no-fly zone over Ukraine, which would mean we would declare to Russia, we're going to shoot you down if you fly over Ukraine, right?
00:46:41.000Now it turns out that this person who called themselves a journalist, who stood up in this press conference, Is actually a member of the World Economic Forum.
00:46:49.000This is their profile on the WEF website.
00:46:52.000If you look up their name and WEF you can see it on your screen there.
00:46:56.000And actually the bio does not state journalist.
00:47:00.000It doesn't state journalists, it states Daria is co-founder and executive director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center, a powerful national organization that has shaped Ukraine's anti-corruption legislation and efforts.
00:47:11.000By the way, anti-corruption became an agenda because of course the Biden-affiliated, Biden-aligned, America-friendly regime there was accused of corruption, so they set up an anti-corruption unit to investigate themselves.
00:47:58.000Yeah, the World Economic Forum has plainly stated that they don't think nationalist governments are capable of governing the world in its current form, but we need some sort of hybrid corporate governance.
00:48:09.000And I think that they're trying to get countries to blow themselves up so that they can show that, oh yeah, you do need our help to come in and save the day.
00:48:22.000You have to reset it and then build back better.
00:48:24.000So I wonder why certain voices in the media, and you see them openly encouraging war with Russia, and I wonder what do you want to build back from the ashes of this war once you've had your way?
00:48:36.000And that's why it becomes so important to make sure they don't get their way.
00:48:59.000You know, it's the paintbrush kind of guy with the squiggly face and like the evil eyes.
00:49:04.000And each quadrant is looking towards the center.
00:49:07.000The far left libertarian, the far right libertarian, the far left authoritarian, and far right authoritarian are all looking down at the story of World War III saying, I can't wait for the world to collapse so I can rebuild this world in my image.
00:49:21.000And look, there's a problem here, which is that some way or the other, whether it's by enforcing a no-fly zone in Ukraine or it's by directly arming and funding Nazis, I worry about the stability of Europe.
00:49:33.000So I'm going to pull something up for you.
00:49:35.000I wonder if, Lydia, you can look this up?
00:49:44.000And while I'm looking for it, what it's basically, what it's talking about is that because of this as of battalion that has now been raised in Ukraine, already we know that internationally, so I've done a lot of work in counter radicalization and counter extremism.
00:50:00.000Before being a broadcaster I founded an organization called Quilliam which was a counter-extremism organization seeking to help understand during the global war on terror how to navigate our way through that from a Muslim background especially because of course Muslims were central to that debate.
00:50:19.000I come at this from that angle, when I look at radicalisation, understanding how radicalisation can work.
00:50:27.000So if you've got an armed Nazi battalion that gains victory in Ukraine, what that does to radicalisation is incredibly dangerous.
00:50:35.000And there's a New York Times article that actually addresses the fact that people now, neo-Nazis, have been travelling from around the world I'm pretty good at Google, I suppose.
00:50:45.000to join them. Now once you have, so think ISIS and Al-Qaeda and how global jihadism,
00:50:52.000if you had a battlefield, how foreign fighters would go, they'd fight with that jihadist
00:50:57.000group and then they'd, hey you got it, I didn't even have to find it for you.
00:51:00.000I'm pretty good at Google I suppose. Far-right militias in Europe plan to confront Russian
00:51:06.000Right, so they're flocking to join Azov, right?
00:51:08.000Now, the problem here is, what does that do for radicalisation?
00:51:13.000If you end up travelling across Europe to join the Azov battalion, you gain combat experience fighting the Russians and then you go back to your country of origin.
00:52:07.000So I'm gonna, if you can't find it, because it's on Twitter, you may not be able to find it, but I'll find it as well.
00:52:12.000And then just at least what we can do is, because the audio, he actually uses the word in their language, he uses the word Muslims.
00:52:19.000Why that's relevant is combine these two pieces of news together.
00:52:23.000You've got the potential for foreign fighter radicalization This time with Nazism as opposed to Jihadism on European soil.
00:52:31.000But Europe's never had more Muslim citizens in history than it currently has.
00:52:36.000Think France, for example, 10% Muslim.
00:52:39.000Also, Europe has a radicalization problem on the Muslim side.
00:52:43.000Now, going back to the Great Reset and the destruction of the world order and Build Back Better, this is the perfect way to encourage civil war in Europe.
00:52:52.000With these battle-hardened Nazi fighters going back to their countries of origin, you've got jihadis there already.
00:52:57.000Keep in mind, the Chechens, who are in Ukraine at the behest of Putin, is who the Azov battalion was talking about when they said they were going to dip their bullets in pig's lard to shoot Chechen Muslims.
00:53:08.000Now, the problem here you've got is, so they've gone to fight Chechen Muslims in Ukraine.
00:53:13.000They come back to their countries of origin and they find Islamist Muslims in their own countries of origin.
00:53:19.000What I worry about is this leading to reciprocal radicalization in European countries and that civil conflict emerging in continental Europe.
00:53:30.000One of the most valuable things, any great reset, is a civil war.
00:53:36.000And it's incredibly worrying because we've already had a genocide in Europe, in Bosnia, with Muslims, and you end up with this situation and, you know, we've been funding these.
00:53:45.000We've been funding this Nazi battalion.
00:55:02.000So the Dayton Accords was a deal that he struck with the Serbs involving the Kosovans to stop the war expanding into Kosovo, but the genocide had already happened by then.
00:55:13.000I want to talk about manipulation and propaganda, if we can.
00:55:38.000Translator breaks down during Vladimir Zelensky's speech to European Parliament.
00:55:42.000I do believe it's not... I believe it's two interpreters, but I posted these three stories because they're the ones I just happen to have.
00:55:49.000My intent to... what to explain here is...
00:55:52.000Not so much that there are two different circumstances I found where translators began crying.
00:55:59.000That is wholly inappropriate, in my opinion, and I believe it's propaganda and manipulation.
00:56:03.000Not necessarily intentional or whatever, but I think they allow these things to happen.
00:56:08.000They know these things are going to happen because what they want is when the president of Ukraine is giving a speech talking about the devastation and speaking literally about what's happening.
00:56:22.000To drive the point home in terms of manipulating emotions, you have someone cry while saying it, which the president of Ukraine certainly was not doing.
00:56:30.000This is a manipulation of your emotions.
00:56:32.000To hear someone, he's killing children, and so you go, oh no, they're crying.
00:56:38.000They want you to support ground war in Ukraine.
00:56:51.000I guess who's the they in a major world region?
00:56:54.000There's there I think for me it's always a simple solution of who benefits and it's um weapons manufacturers stocks skyrocketed the moment war was declared and you know it and And they actually did that article 10.
00:57:05.000It was like digital security firms like Palantir.
00:57:09.000There's an article that said, what was it?
00:57:11.000Cutting Russia off from the swift payment system could result in major cyber attacks.
00:57:15.000Here are some stocks that will greatly improve or, you know, will go up in value.
00:57:19.000And it's like, basically saying invest in these companies.
00:57:22.000So Lydia, what I've just done is I've just emailed you the video that I'm talking of, of the Azov fighters doing that.
00:57:29.000I couldn't send you the tweet because Twitter has decided that this tweet violates their rules.
00:58:10.000No, no, just tell me what it was so I can pull it up.
00:58:12.000I've said, why does the National Guard of Ukraine think it acceptable to glorify the Nazi Azov Brigade while they grease bullets with lard to target Kadyrov's Chechen forces?
00:58:22.000I'm sorry your country was attacked, me, but armed Nazi units are not an answer, especially when pulling off this I gotta say, I don't know if YouTube would consider it a violation of the rules if we show that video.
00:58:34.000Yeah, Twitter considers it a violation of the rules.
00:58:36.000But if you clicked view, you can see, if you hit view the video will come up because it's not been banned.
00:58:41.000My concern is that YouTube will delete the live stream.
00:58:43.000We should definitely show this on the after show regardless.
00:58:45.000We'll show it on the, in fact we'll have a conversation about religion and the implications.
00:58:49.000But this is one of the problems of propaganda manipulation and censorship and it's why they need censorship.
00:58:55.000I actually believe if we were to show that video, YouTube would probably just take the stream down, give us a strike, block us from streaming, because it's bad for the establishment narrative.
00:59:03.000And yet it's newsworthy to know that that's what the formal Ukrainian army has tweeted out, with our funding and backing.
00:59:11.000Hunter Biden's laptop was particularly newsworthy and they shut that down.
00:59:14.000This is the first moment I've seen him turned into a religious war of any type.
00:59:40.000And France has its own Muslim radicalization problem.
00:59:43.000And France, as we know, and if you read any of Welbeck, for example, his book Submission, we know what could potentially happen with that tension.
00:59:50.000And I worry that you end up with this perfect storm.
00:59:53.000And you end up with a civil conflict in Europe.
00:59:55.000And of course, if you need to build back better, you need a great reset.
00:59:59.000You can't build back unless there's... Unless there's a great reset.
01:00:02.000Both of those phrases happen to come from somewhere.
01:00:05.000In the United States, there's an escalating concern of a civil conflict here as well.
01:00:09.000And I certainly feel like it's coming.
01:00:13.000I saw a story of Google Pay and Apple Pay banned Russia.
01:00:16.000You can't use it in Russia to get on the subway anymore, so the lines are really long.
01:00:21.000The cost is not only fiscal, but it's time.
01:00:24.000If you can't get to where you're going in time, then you can't get it done in time, which means it doesn't get done right, which is another kind of cost.
01:00:45.000If your system is under threat, as we know from the British Empire, the best way to make sure that all of us are not looking up is to make sure we're looking left and right.
01:00:58.000And that's why I believe, if you look at the situation with the money supply, if you look at, like, what's going on with this desire to have this great reset, the only thing that makes sense is to encourage everybody to turn on each other, and we witnessed that happening.
01:01:14.000We witnessed that happening in our media narratives.
01:01:16.000You know, there's a reason why the word racism is now being thrown around everywhere, not by you or me, but by big corporations.
01:01:24.000Who, you know, you think about it, why have they suddenly become so interested in stoking these racial fires?
01:01:31.000And these are some of the biggest profit-making corporations on the planet.
01:01:33.000Why is it that the people who were supporting the rise of Black Lives Matter, who then became the vaccine mandate supporters, are now the flag?
01:01:41.000They keep changing the emojis in their Twitter accounts.
01:01:43.000It's almost like they're not independently thinking individuals.
01:01:48.000Prioritizing profit over all else, maybe?
01:01:49.000But if you follow the causes they've supported, one thing you can see from those causes is they all do end up dividing everybody from each other to a point where people are fighting each other.
01:02:04.000Emotions put people in a vulnerable place, and then you can get them to do what you want them to do, and they're emotionally erratic a little easier.
01:02:29.000But if that's the case, that means there are a lot of people who are going to say something as absurd as, you know, you don't even got to do anything.
01:02:35.000You just look it up on the CDC's website, just do whatever they tell you, which in my opinion is an absurd statement.
01:02:40.000I mean, you have to take some responsibility for your own life.
01:02:42.000Is when you get a follower in a leadership position, like when someone says that dumb follower mind, but they have 100,000 people listening to them, like they're leading follower leads the followers.
01:02:50.000That's a good, it's a good example of, of, you know, like these, uh, these podcasters who have said, you don't even got to think about it.
01:02:57.000Just do what the government tells you or who have, um, their followers who have been put in, you know, high up positions where all they're doing is telling their followers to follow other people to do as they're told basically, because they themselves are followers.
01:03:12.000I think there's a the average person who's working 9 to 5 who's struggling Monday to Friday to put bread on the table for them and their family.
01:03:21.000They don't have the time, luxury or privilege to think through some of these topics.
01:03:26.000What I am particularly animated about is those people that do have the time, luxury and privilege to think through this stuff and still choose to do Or, well, I would say there's also something else on top of that.
01:03:48.000But I would argue that in most situations, it's just the fact that they don't want to think too hard about things because then they face social ostracism.
01:03:56.000So if you're an academic and you're out of line with the other academics and question their orthodoxy, all of a sudden you're less likely to get a promotion, you're not getting invited out, and you're just not liked by your friends, which is really painful for us as human beings.
01:04:08.000So I think oftentimes it isn't necessarily just a profit motive, it's about social status.
01:04:26.000People think everyone else thinks and behaves the way they do.
01:04:31.000So what's interesting is, you know, I don't see you accusing left-wing personalities of being grifters.
01:04:37.000I maybe periodically might say I believe someone's ingenuous or grifting, but for the most part, the politically homeless, the post-liberal, the freedom faction, whatever you want to call it, aren't going around saying this leftist personality is a grifter for money.
01:04:52.000But the leftist personalities say it all day every day.
01:04:55.000They make shows and segments just targeting people on the opposite side of the political spectrum and say they're grifting for money.
01:05:01.000I think it's a genuine failure to understand human motivation in most cases.
01:05:06.000I think if somebody believes something that They haven't really looked deeply enough into to have a fast bait fact-based opinion on it's not so much because they're trying to cynically exploit people for gain that can happen, but I really think oftentimes it's because they settled on a particular perspective.
01:05:22.000They're afraid of looking into it more deeply.
01:05:24.000They do believe that they're right and that they're telling the truth, but they're not responsible in their pursuit of it.
01:05:30.000And so they end up promoting things they shouldn't be promoting and saying things that aren't true, and they do end up making money off of that.
01:05:36.000But it's not as if they're twirling their mustache going, I'm actually a right-winger and I'm making money as a left-wing pundit or vice versa.
01:05:44.000I've said something and we saw... Who was it who said this?
01:05:50.000I can't remember the gentleman's name.
01:05:58.000But I said something to the effect of...
01:06:00.000You know, the people who know what's going on, but they're unwilling to stand up and take responsibility and do anything about it, are part of the problem.
01:06:09.000But I believe it was Clifton, I could be wrong if it wasn't, forgive me, who said that he's starting to have more contempt for those people.
01:06:28.000You can't, look, Look, you know, people living on minimum wage, people that are from, say for example, migrant communities whose first language is in English, who are petrified that they're going to get kicked out of the country if they step foot in the wrong direction, there are excuses and understandable reasons for why people may not be engaged with controversial political conversation.
01:06:48.000But there are people that have the luxury and the privilege to engage in that, and either don't say the right thing, or are actively saying and doing the wrong thing.
01:06:56.000And that's where I think the focus needs to be.
01:06:58.000Go back to that example, and you've got governments, and by definition that means people in power, funding armed Nazi brigades.
01:07:06.000Now, what that does immediately is undo the entire last 12 years.
01:07:11.000We put our, we, when I say we now, I'm talking about Muslims have put their neck on the line to go and challenge a lot of the extremism and terrorism that was coming from our communities, right?
01:07:24.000Me and the networks that I work with, one of them was meant to come here with me today, but paperwork and whatever, Usman, my brother Usman Raja, we do a lot of For example, intervention work in prisons with Muslims who are convicted of high-level terrorism, through mentoring, through martial arts to attempt to rehabilitate them.
01:07:42.000Now, you put your neck on the line for that kind of work and you say to these people that there's never an excuse, for example, to leave your democratic, rights-based, civil law-based country to go and join, for example, a jihadi brigade in ISIS because you're upset with Assad, that dictator.
01:07:59.000Right now, They're witnessing videos put out by British media encouraging British citizens to go to Ukraine and join that.
01:08:08.000It's undone all of the last 10 to 12 years.
01:08:12.000And the last point I'll make on this is that back to the Oceania discussion.
01:08:17.000We are so unaware of how that's perceived outside of our media matrix.
01:08:22.000The work that's been undone is to the point now where you're going to have a 16 year old Muslim based in France who's going to see those Nazis go and fight with other Nazis and say, you know what?
01:08:38.000I was invited by YouTube to an anti-extremism event.
01:08:42.000The concern was that jihadi groups were using YouTube to recruit.
01:08:47.000They were showing videos, they were claiming it was injustice, that you had to fight for justice, and they were talking about strategies to stop this, and it was particularly in the UK.
01:08:57.000They said that these groups were targeting kids in the UK to convince them to go fight in these wars.
01:09:01.000I find it fascinating that you bring up now that it's effectively, essentially okay Well, what you've just said there, right, so I'm going to pull something else up if the Wi-Fi works.
01:09:11.000So if you can pull that tweet back up of mine and go down, it's a thread.
01:09:17.000So yeah, scroll down and there will be a Oh, you have to log in.
01:09:26.000Okay, so there's an intercept article.
01:11:11.000The National Congress of Chile passed the policy on February 16th with 114 votes and no abstentions.
01:11:16.000No employer may condition the hiring of workers, their permanence, or their renewal of their contract, or the promotion or mobility in their employment to the absence of mutations or alterations in their genome that can cause a predisposition or a high risk of pathology that may manifest itself during the course of the employment relationship.
01:11:33.000Now are they saying, is this, let's just be calm for a second.
01:11:37.000Are they basically saying if you have like Down syndrome, Or a genetic disorder.
01:11:42.000The question is alterations to the genome.
01:11:45.000What I find interesting is this specific line here, a predisposition or high risk of a pathology.
01:11:52.000So that's almost implying that an alteration to your gene or to your genome could end up with you gaining this pathology you would not have otherwise have had.
01:12:01.000What pathology is that that they're saying that you could gain?
01:12:40.000Look, nothing about this has anything to do with the vaccine.
01:12:42.000I think what it means is if in case it leads to a pathology and it was genetic, they can't say you can't work here because you're going to fall down a lot because you have this gene or something.
01:13:26.000Chile is actually one of the most co-opted countries on earth right now.
01:13:29.000I spent a couple months down there, six months, and I was learning, like, it's the highest, it's one of the most copper-rich countries in the world, so it's like military-industrial complex, it just owns it now.
01:13:38.000Diet Coke is in there making people obese.
01:13:58.000I don't think the country of origin matters so much as we know China's been, it's been reported by numerous outlets, been working on ubermensch, supermen, super soldiers.
01:14:08.000And this seems like, I gotta be honest, it says alteration to the genome.
01:14:15.000It sounds like they're preparing Because once you do that, you're born with the alteration, right?
01:14:21.000Well, there's this thing called... TimGuess.com says, some reporting of the bill's passage noted that Chile has been celebrated for its high vaccination rate.
01:15:03.000What matters is there is a country doing it, and there are countries like China that do this kind of genetic modification and alteration.
01:15:10.000And Chile's like right on the coast, right up for China to just land on.
01:15:14.000But regardless, if any company is doing work in this country and they've passed this law, certainly something has occurred in this country to trigger the requirement of this law.
01:16:09.000There's lateral gene transfer, which is your lineage, and then there's horizontal gene transfer, which is your environment changing your genetics.
01:16:16.000What if this is where Alex Jones' animal-human hybrids are- I'm kidding, by the way.
01:16:26.000I remember a Supreme Court thing in 2011 where they finally decided you can patent life.
01:16:30.000What if we've just gotten so progressive that we're trying to protect the rights of groups that don't even exist yet?
01:16:37.000And now every single country is gonna try to out-progressive the last country by being like, yeah, well this group that doesn't even exist yet will be protected!
01:16:46.000You can't discriminate against giant balloon gaseous orbs from outer space!
01:17:27.000But I do think we have issues where I personally would be very careful about directly adding a framing device such as, hey, look at all the COVID cases in this country.
01:17:40.000I don't see that as relevant to the passage of this law.
01:17:43.000I mean, you speak to whoever the, I mean, I don't know the lady, but why would they have put that in there?
01:17:47.000That's maybe a conversation you need to have.
01:17:50.000Oh, we do have these conversations rather.
01:17:52.000Yeah, this is one that I just don't I'm not comfortable talking about on YouTube due to terms and conditions.
01:17:56.000But you know, when you're working with genetic materials, then what were you gonna say?
01:18:01.000No, it's just that it says it says similar in Switzerland and Austria, similar laws protecting the genetic characteristics of workers had already been passed in Switzerland and Austria.
01:18:12.000But again, the question here is, are they referring to someone who might have Down syndrome?
01:18:59.000I don't think it's relevant to include context, because what if I wrote the article and I put, in China, they've been, you know, working with... Is that the bill?
01:21:33.000To be fair to the journalists involved, because we would want to be sensitive to the fact that you just may have outed one of your own people.
01:21:55.000Among Democrats it was 57, among liberals it was 70.
01:21:59.000And so I gotta be very careful about... But I'll put it this way, because when we pull up a story and I'm like, wait a minute, this seems to be off, the numbers seem to be wrong.
01:22:07.000I got no problem being like, if you work for TimCast.com and I see something I don't think is right, I don't care if you're TimCast.com or otherwise, I'm gonna make sure.
01:22:14.000Because I think the people who read the site have an expectation of standards here.
01:22:19.000That's why people work for you anyway, because they like that.
01:22:21.000Well, so I'm trying to real-time fact-check this because I have a high degree of trust for the people that work for us, but we make mistakes.
01:22:35.000I don't know if I could fact-check this other than the sources that are writing about it seem desperate to link this to vaccination, which is ridiculous.
01:22:44.000Because if there was a bill talking about this, the immediate assumption is it has to do with... Even in this document it says physical or mental conditions, you know, on the job or whatever.
01:22:53.000It sounds like they're talking about genetic diseases.
01:22:55.000So the headline is misleading, then, if that's the case.
01:22:58.000But it could be your environment could cause the genetic disease.
01:23:00.000Like burn pits we were talking about last night, people coming back with, like, just traumatic injury and cancers and things like that.
01:23:05.000What he's saying is that the use of the word alterations would seem to suggest a deliberate alteration to the gene, which is not disabilities.
01:23:13.000yeah uh and i think yeah it could be me too or you just use the word disabilities right if you were talking about that word's getting retconned is it becoming not pc to say disabled or disability for a while they were trying to say differently abled yeah that's an older one but there are pc equivalents to what we used to describe as disability And it's not the PC equivalent, isn't gene alteration.
01:24:17.000I apologize to Cassandra, because she was like, you said that I got something wrong, then Ian said we need a fact checker, and I was right, and you were wrong, and I wasn't there, and I'm like, alright.
01:25:21.000I looked up radical antonyms because I'm like how can we how can we be de-radicalized without having to say be counterdependent on the word radical.
01:25:40.000There's a legal dispute so I have to put it politely.
01:25:43.000Since having my show ended on the UK's largest commercial broadcaster I am starting a new show on Odyssey and it's called Radical because I believe that that word actually when I was young I used to skateboard.
01:26:14.000Because they were trying to change the established order at that time so being Radical was good and now that their order is in place being Radical is bad because it's a threat to what they've built.
01:26:21.000And I kind of feel like, you know, a bit like the N-word.
01:26:23.000It's Muslims who have been labeled with this word radical, and I have been.
01:26:30.000And my autobiography is called Radical as well.
01:26:32.000So I kind of feel like ownership over that word.
01:26:34.000You could say George Washington was a radical, that all the founding fathers were way radical.
01:26:38.000Thinking out of the box is a good thing.
01:26:39.000And you know, to be honest, even if you're wrong and you're thinking out of the box, I still respect you more than somebody who's just following the damn crowd.
01:26:46.000I would argue that thinking outside the box is neutral.
01:26:48.000If you do it for evil, it can be very bad.
01:26:51.000I mean, look, that's a moral judgment on the actual ability to think out of the box, but the prerequisite to being able to change anything is it's a necessity, right?
01:27:05.000Now you could, you could end up having that ability like any ability and do wrong with it and do bad with it.
01:27:09.000It's just like saying you have a high IQ and you can use your high IQ to do evil.
01:27:13.000So you think allowing yourself to speak radically and witnessing yourself doing it via video, it helps you put a check on yourself to not become too radical?
01:27:23.000So I wouldn't be the person I am today if, as the 16-year-old me, I didn't adopt ideas that I now vehemently disagree with.
01:27:31.000But that's part of my evolution and I think everybody, every teenager It's a rite of passage, man.
01:27:38.000Every teenager goes through that kind of phase where they rebel against everything, and to an extent where it's harmless, where it doesn't do too much damage, we've got to be able to manage that process.
01:27:52.000Because what you don't want to do is discourage... Surely this is what Pink Floyd's brick-in-the-wall is about, right?
01:28:20.000Yes, but at the moment I'm not doing it.
01:28:22.000Yeah, I'm thinking about doing that too.
01:28:23.000I don't have any kids yet, but that's my plan.
01:28:25.000I just don't trust this robot forming public school system.
01:28:29.000Yeah, I mean, what I don't understand is the same people that listen to, still to this day, would listen to say, we don't need no education, and yet everything they do is the opposite of the music.
01:28:42.000I went to a liberal arts college and what they told me is that racism and white supremacy run amok in this country.
01:28:49.000It's like all the cultural icons you respect, even if, you know, they are the exact opposite of what you're doing.
01:28:55.000And the worst part is when those same voices, now thankfully Pink Floyd isn't one of these examples, but when those same voices themselves flip and start becoming really weirdly established.
01:29:05.000When Neil Young was really mad at Rogan.
01:29:34.000If you're operating within a system that privileges free speech or believes it's a positive value and you want to change that system, you're going to use that tool.
01:29:43.000And then as soon as you come to power, you're going to say, nope, don't like that.
01:29:45.000But you see, that's what that demonstrates to me, that he wasn't really committed to free speech.
01:29:50.000Or at the very least, because also we want to be charitable to some extent and say maybe he was at the time but isn't anymore.
01:29:55.000Whereas Roger Waters, you find Roger Waters today still very radical.
01:30:02.000You don't have to agree with him, but he's still very kind of anti-establishment, trying his best to think out of the box.
01:30:08.000And I respect that, even though you don't agree, you know, or disagree.
01:30:12.000In my radicalism, sometimes I found that sometimes it was better to stay in the box, but I'd still just do the radical thing because I thought it's better to be radical.
01:30:26.000I like what I really like is Chesterton's gate.
01:30:29.000And so it's the principle that when you find a gate, you try to figure out why it's there instead of just mindlessly tearing it down.
01:30:36.000And if it turns out it's there for a bad reason or doesn't make sense, then you tear the gate down.
01:30:40.000But you don't go about saying, we need to completely destroy the social boundary before you try to understand it, which I think is what a lot of people who are a radical attempt to do today and have in the past.
01:30:50.000I think it requires a great deal of strength of character to hold on to your anti-establishmentarianism.
01:30:57.000Most people don't have that and you'll see that when you look at the way people do things like raise their kids and do their work and they're looking for the shortcut, they're looking for the easy way out.
01:31:09.000And this is because having strong moral character is hard.
01:31:13.000It's very challenging, and it's something that you must hold yourself accountable with.
01:31:17.000And it's something that people are afraid to do now, I think.
01:31:19.000They're just looking for the quick out.
01:31:23.000It's like the panacea of having enough money and the food, and they feel like if they get radical, they're going to lose access to that panacea, and then they're going to starve, or the kids are going to go hungry.
01:31:32.000So they're like, Forced inside the box.
01:31:34.000It's possible that we have it too good and we're afraid to lose it Well, no, so this is interesting you were mentioning earlier that there are some people who are really afraid of losing their livelihood and so they don't speak out on these issues and sometimes it's Understandable because they have a family to feed and the cost would be too high for them And then there are other people who aren't speaking out because they're afraid I would venture to guess though and maybe this is a little pessimistic on my part, but I really believe given the state of the people In America at the very least, if we were able to completely eliminate the risk of losing your job over your opinions, I think a lot of the same people still would not state them publicly because what they're most afraid of is social ostracism.
01:32:18.000Which can lead to cultural ostracism and political ostracism.
01:33:20.000Normally I'm reading all the news every single day but that one went up right before we're doing the show and I saw it and I have faith in our news team.
01:33:27.000While we were reading it I'm like wait a minute something doesn't make sense here and so I started looking at the sources which are dubious and then I reached out to the team.
01:34:32.000The Daily Exposed connects the article to vaccination.
01:34:36.000And the problem I have with that is, there's very few things that make me legitimately angry, but one of it is when news sites falsely frame things by connecting them to things that are Well, I mean, you'd have to have a reason to make that connection.
01:34:51.000For example, a legislator would have had to say, this is why we want to make this law.
01:34:56.000And so the annoying thing is... As a journalist, you'd have to have that link, you know?
01:34:59.000If we publish the article at TimCast.com and it outright said, some people have questioned China's super soldier program, In China, they're doing this.
01:35:06.000I'd be like, why are you including that has nothing to do with the news?
01:35:10.000So if there's a bill being passed that says we did X and we will now enforce X, you're done.
01:35:29.000My issue is the framing, and my issue is if you're gonna source a Chilean law, you need the Chilean document from the Chilean government, not another website's translation of a PDF that they've not sourced.
01:35:45.000Not everybody is me, and I don't write every single story, but I'll absolutely call out, I don't care who it is, And we'll do better.
01:35:53.000But, you know, my only real issue, like I was saying with a lot of mainstream news websites, is not when they get things wrong, it's when they don't correct them.
01:36:21.000Oh, there's actually something called NeuroRightsFoundation.org slash Chile, NeuroRights in Chile, which the expose references immediately.
01:36:30.000A bill to amend the constitution to protect brain rights or NeuroRights.
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01:38:52.000Well, because I don't think Biden and I don't think Boris Johnson are going to retaliate in that way.
01:38:58.000He's already been asked to impose a no-fly zone.
01:39:00.000They haven't done so and they won't do so.
01:39:03.000And when we had a guest on the show who said Russia will not invade and they will not go anywhere near Kharkiv, they're not going to go to Kiev.
01:39:12.000No, so we've already been asked to impose a no-fly zone and we've said no.
01:39:17.000Well, my point is they could just do it.
01:41:19.000But we know for a fact now that certainly the United States is government is decentralized to a point that DC is not relevant to the operation of the United States government.
01:41:30.000So there's absolutely zero point in nuking civilians.
01:41:49.000They're about to lose the war and they say, listen, Either we lose and we all get killed or we launch this bomb because I'd rather we end the war in this way, right?
01:41:59.000How would it end the war by killing civilians?
01:42:46.000I believe that Iran might say, can we intercept?
01:42:50.000Do we have strategic, you know, SDI defenses or things like that and try and stop nuclear weapons?
01:42:55.000And they may respond by targeting key military infrastructure.
01:42:58.000But the idea that one country fires nukes targeting a civilian base, which doesn't stop the war in any capacity, and then the other country responds by blowing up the other country's civilians, which doesn't stop the war in any capacity, makes no sense at all.
01:43:11.000You're applying reason and rational thought processes to somebody that decides to launch a nuclear weapon.
01:43:33.000It could happen in limited capacities between small, smaller nations.
01:43:38.000So North Korea and say... North Korea and... I don't believe North Korea.
01:43:44.000Okay, so sufficiently ideological nation.
01:43:46.000Iran and... So when you have like a desire to wipe out Israel for long-standing deep-seated issues, but I don't see Israel as the kind of nation that would respond by saying, let's just eradicate the Iranian people.
01:44:01.000You don't see Israel as a kind of nation that would say- Do you think the people of Israel- Retaliation demands this.
01:44:06.000I'll put it this way- Because I disagree with you there.
01:44:08.000Do you think the people of Israel want to mass genocide the Iranians?
01:44:11.000No, but- But do you think the people of- at least a large portion of Iran wants to wipe out the Jewish people?
01:44:37.000I'm not so sure they would be looking to make sense.
01:44:40.000So, you also have to think about it from the individual.
01:44:44.000When it comes to the West, I don't see an individual, on average at least, certainly there are some people who wouldn't care.
01:44:52.000But if, again, someone came to, if you went to the average person and said, there's a bomb that's going to kill, you know, 10 million people, you can't stop it.
01:45:01.000These 10 million people will die in two hours.
01:45:03.000You can respond by killing 10 million people, press the button.
01:45:07.000It's like, I just don't see a human emotional response.
01:45:19.000But I could also see somebody in a situation where nukes are heading towards their country saying, well, these people are clearly comfortable launching nukes, and if we don't launch something back, they could kill a bunch of other innocent people when they have gotten the message from us that you could just nuke someone without retaliation.
01:45:31.000Keep in mind, the only time that nukes have been used, it was used twice, right?
01:45:36.000So you drop one on Hiroshima, it doesn't end the war, you then drop one on Nagasaki.
01:45:41.000So say Iran launches one, takes out one city, there's a rational thought process, which I even question would be the thought process, but let's follow that logic.
01:45:49.000There's a rational thought process that could say, hey, they might target another city unless we retaliate as a deterrent.
01:46:30.000There is no mutual drive towards... Ukraine is getting flattened in many areas by Russia, and the US should, or these countries should be like, how dare Russia?
01:46:43.000We have every reason, because we were trying to win over Ukraine, but they won't do it.
01:46:46.000Because of mutually assured destruction.
01:46:49.000Because they're all conquering countries themselves.
01:47:29.000My point is, in any facet of war that involves civilian death, right now Russia has engaged in a campaign which has resulted in civilian death and no one is doing anything about it.
01:47:39.000So Vladimir Putin knows if he were to launch strategic, tactical or nuclear artillery, no one will respond.
01:47:47.000If the idea was that launching a nuclear weapon assured your own destruction, the US and NATO would go and flatten Russia's forces, at least in Ukraine.
01:48:29.000So I'm not sure a, say for example, let's say you hack the water supply.
01:48:35.000I'm not sure it leads to that same the nature of immediate absolute and total destruction of a city is what we're talking of that would lead to that retaliation.
01:48:45.000I still think there's that doctrine applies and I can see why it would be a deterrent because of that doctrine and it's held for so long why nobody has launched a nuclear war against anybody else because it would lead to that kind of situation where nobody wins and everyone loses.
01:49:01.000I think the idea of mutual destruction is born out of a lack of understanding of human behavior in nature.
01:49:10.000And I think certainly, you know, the chat is lighting up saying I'm wrong.
01:49:54.000But today, when we had January 6th, these protesters thought by occupying a building they would have some impact on government, and that makes literally no sense in a digital age.
01:50:03.000We know that through Directive 51, through what used to be the NORAD strategic defense in Denver, we had underground military bunkers.
01:50:13.000I think you would be absolutely naive not to believe that we don't have... So you're a country.
01:50:47.000Vladimir Putin is of the idea that MAD doesn't exist, which is why he invaded Ukraine and is telling everybody, screw off, I got nukes.
01:50:55.000And they all say, we're scared of this, so we'll do nothing.
01:50:58.000But if this logic applies, Russia would have been scared of a retaliation they're not scared of, which shows an aggressor can attack and expect no retaliation.
01:51:12.000I'm not saying you don't know what it is.
01:51:15.000I'm saying I'm not sure you're applying it in this context correctly.
01:51:23.000When he says, I have nuclear weapons, he's saying, if you declare a war against me, then war by definition is a total war, which means it will become a nuclear war.
01:51:41.000The reason why nobody's doing anything is because of the doctrine of mad.
01:51:45.000It's a question of, will soldiers indiscriminately kill civilians?
01:51:49.000I'm of the opinion the answer is mostly no, not always.
01:51:54.000So when given the instruction to fire a nuke on a civilian target, explicitly a civilian target, I am of the opinion that people, like in Vietnam, the soldiers were firing over the heads of the Viet Cong, resulting in them getting killed, that most humans are too terrified to actually be the person to murder 10 million people.
01:52:13.000Now, there are some people that would.
01:52:14.000But this is a big problem, I believe, still persists within human behavior.
01:53:26.000But the one instance we've had where we came close to it was a story that we talked about the other day with the
01:53:30.000nuclear Submarine and the guy on the ship
01:53:32.000There's two captains saying we should one guy said no and he stopped them from firing when they what was it?
01:53:38.000Yeah, it was three officers, I don't know if they were all captains or whatever, but they thought they had gone and, that the US had destroyers in the area, and they were in a nuclear sub, and there was depth charges going off, and apparently there were practice depth charges, they didn't know, they thought that a shooting war had started, and they were like, we gotta fire Nuclear torpedoes and then the two officers were like yeah,
01:53:55.000and then the third guy Alexei I believe is his name said no we need to wait for command
01:53:59.000from Moscow before we fire and then eventually they surfaced and they
01:54:02.000Communicated with the destroyers and found out there was no war and he basically
01:54:05.000They say he prevented World War three in that moment by refusing to fire
01:54:09.000I think there's some people who would do it, but I think well people did do it in history did do what?
01:54:25.000But this is, you know, absolutely I agree.
01:54:27.000I just think the idea that we see in movies where all the missiles are flying at each other is just, it's movie beliefs that people just think is true.
01:54:35.000They're basing their ideology off of like war games with Matthew Broderick or G.I.
01:54:39.000Well well I mean that's because it won't happen but that's the whole point of the doctrine that it won't happen.
01:54:45.000So what you see depicted in movies is what the doctrine says will not happen.
01:54:49.000Mutually assured destruction is a doctrine that essentially argues that that scenario you've just depicted that is a very unrealistic scenario will not happen for that reason.
01:54:58.000So the issue is I see what you're saying.
01:55:02.000The problem, I think, especially people in the chat who are saying, one, the idea would be that Russia decides, I'm going to blow up Amsterdam.
01:55:13.000He would target a military base or an airport first.
01:55:16.000The use of a tactical nuclear device, nuclear artillery, gravity bombs or otherwise would be on strategic targets to help them win a conflict.
01:55:25.000The only time the doctrine kicks in is because the only reason you could conceive of using a nuclear weapon is out of a necessity to defeat the enemy when you have no other option left otherwise it wouldn't make sense and the whole point of the doctrine is that by the time you get to that necessity you realize that it's going to lead to mutually assured destruction so the point of that um resort uh in necessity isn't really it doesn't make the difference but the mutual so so i guess to clarify the mutually assured destruction would be of military and not civilian targets
01:57:09.000But I'm not, I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about what I love to cite as, you know, MIRVs.
01:57:15.000I'm not talking about, you know, I think it's possible we see, like, kiloton bombs, radioactive nuclear artillery, etc.
01:57:25.000Look, dirty weapons, biological warfare, that's where we're at these days, right?
01:57:28.000One of the reasons I don't think nukes are going to happen is in particular because what you've got is, for a long time, US military leadership has long recognized Russia's strategic national interest in eastern Ukraine on that eastern side of that river that we were speaking about earlier to the point where I posted this video on my feed actually.
01:57:47.000Colonel McGregor from the US military was on Fox and he perfectly articulates as a US colonel perfectly articulates what Putin's desire is with eastern Ukraine and then acknowledges that they've been aware of this.
01:58:03.000Now, keep in mind, of course, that if you're a serving U.S.
01:58:05.000military officer, you don't get to set what U.S.
01:58:07.000policy is in, for example, funding as a battalion or whatever.
01:58:10.000That's not the military that sets that policy.
01:58:13.000But the military being aware of this, it kind of indicates to me, and this has been around for years, this kind of idea that, you know, we can't keep pushing NATO eastwards.
01:58:20.000military been making these noises for a long time.
01:58:23.000I think, to be honest, we're probably past the peak and the worst, I'd say, of Russia's assault in Ukraine.
01:58:30.000If we operate under the assumption that mutually assured destruction is correct, that means Russia's going to win and they're going to keep advancing.
01:59:02.000Belarus showed a map that depicted four attack vectors that have happened, several that haven't.
01:59:07.000Some have argued that they haven't happened yet.
01:59:11.000I don't know the way of evidence to suggest it's predictive or just speculative, but it does show accurately four attacks from Russia.
01:59:17.000Could be fake because they didn't get the enemy to put their troops in the wrong spot.
01:59:20.000Well, Russia already occupies Transnistria with about a thousand soldiers.
01:59:23.000So, if Russia is planning on moving into Moldova, into this disputed territory, to stage troops, that means they're planning a Western assault on Ukraine.
01:59:30.000If that's the case... Then maybe they just want Moldova.
01:59:33.000Or it could be fake, because if it gets NATO to put troops in Moldova when they're not needed, then it's good.
01:59:37.000He doesn't need Western Ukraine, he needs Eastern Ukraine.
01:59:40.000What he wants in Western Ukraine, as McGregor said in the interview, we can pull it up if you want, it's quite good actually, what he wants in Western Ukraine is a neutral Ukraine as it was pre-2014.
01:59:51.000And if you understand it, this is where it really winds me up that we've banned Russia today and all these Russian Propaganda channels they are state-owned propaganda channels, but if I'm playing chess with you It helps me to know your strategy if I want to win now Why would I say if you're telling me your strategy?
02:00:08.000Why would I silence your voice if I'm playing against you right?
02:00:10.000So this is why it makes no sense to silence Russian media you want to understand what they're saying if you're competing against them, but so far what we know is that Comfortably we can say that Putin wants a neutral pre-2014 style neutral Ukraine now because he didn't get that He'll probably be happy with a Western Ukraine that's neutral and an Eastern Ukraine that's under his sphere of influence.
02:00:32.000I think, I think that's where he's going to end.
02:00:34.000We went a little long, but we'll read some Super Chats.
02:01:19.000This makes it completely unreasonable and unpalatable to fire nukes in the first place.
02:01:25.000My response to that is, I think it's interesting that people are saying, I don't understand human nature when they're making assumptions about what humans would do in a situation that's never happened.
02:01:32.000My point is, mutually assured destruction is predicting human behavior on a circumstance that's never happened, with no reason to believe and no evidence to suggest it would.
02:01:42.000My belief is that humans are averse to killing, as much as they could be, and it's strange to me that people are adamant something that's never happened would happen, with no evidence to believe it would.
02:02:14.000To be fair, MAD only applies in the context of both countries having nukes.
02:02:18.000I'm just saying that that's never happened before.
02:02:21.000And so we have no evidence to suggest it would, just speculation.
02:02:24.000And what has happened before is we've used devastating nuclear weapons with no retaliation at all in any capacity.
02:02:31.000The evidence we do have in terms of human nature is that what we do know is that human behavior isn't always rational and that revenge is a powerful emotion.
02:02:39.000And that if you shot at me, I know that a human reaction is to shoot back.
02:02:44.000Now, whether that's not been done with nukes before, we don't need that to conclude that if you... arms races happen, right?
02:02:50.000So if you escalate an arms race, I escalate back from emotion.
02:02:54.000So there is some evidence to indicate that it would escalate.
02:02:58.000And that's the evidence based on existing human behavior with what happens in retaliation and revenge.
02:03:03.000And Seamus brought up an interesting point, like, can you let that person win?
02:03:07.000If there's, like, a dictatorship that launched nukes at your country, you can't let them... If you're... Okay, maybe you're just gonna let yourself get wiped out, but, like, are you gonna let them control the planet now?
02:05:04.000And that's because they're subscribing to mutually assured destruction as a doctrine.
02:05:09.000The reason Iran wants nukes is it knows it cannot defeat Israel in conventional military terms and wants to therefore level up with Israel.
02:05:15.000And the only way it can do that is through nuclear weapons.
02:05:18.000I wonder if this is like an Islamic allegory because I was trying to get into Islam and understand it and what it looked like is Muhammad was teaching them like peace at all costs unless you're backed into a corner and you have no choice then you fight like hell and so the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan put these people in the corner and now they're like well jihad or whatever you want to call it but and so that's kind of the mutually assured destruction thing like if you're gonna attack me and put me in a corner By faith dictates that I do this.
02:05:43.000Well, I mean that's why I mentioned martyrdom.
02:05:46.000If you've got a psychology in a nation that would prefer death over defeat, I would argue that's why nukes were dropped on Japan, because they wouldn't surrender.
02:05:56.000Because the mindset prior to the end of that war In the Japanese imperial mindset, was very much, if you think in terms of samurai, dignity, honor, warrior mindset, was very much, that's why they would fall on their sword, which is where that idea comes from.
02:06:12.000That they would prefer taking their own lives than defeat on the battlefield.
02:06:17.000Now in the Muslim version of that, it's martyrdom over defeat.
02:06:20.000So where you prefer death to defeat, that could be the Japanese version of falling on your own sword.
02:06:25.000In the Islamic version of that, You wouldn't just kill yourself, you'd want to take out as many of the enemy with you as possible before you die, because you believe there's something after that.
02:06:34.000So it's not irrational within the internal logic of that mindset.
02:06:38.000You think you're taking out as many of your enemy as possible, and then you end up in some eternal paradise.
02:06:44.000So you're not actually dying, you're going to an eternal life, and you've also killed the enemy in the process.
02:06:51.000Yeah, there is something glorious about a hero that sacrifices him or herself to destroy the enemy.
02:06:56.000But that's very, the important point I'm making here is it's very real for the person that believes that.
02:07:19.000Well, so, so yeah, we have, uh, you know, I think we've, we, we might be getting a little
02:07:24.000circular on the mad stuff and a lot of the super chats are just making similar points
02:07:27.000and kind of just joining the argument.
02:07:28.000So I don't want to just rehash all the same stuff.
02:07:30.000But, uh, other than that, we have a bunch of people pointing out that the Chile story
02:07:35.000is correct, but it's, it's poorly framed.
02:07:38.000That the story in Chile was about non-discrimination for people with genetic disorders, like I'd assumed, and that we needlessly included information.
02:08:21.000Because it's like nebulous connections.
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02:09:49.000I was going to say that Chilean law actually does sound like a real thing because I have like a genetic disorder that somebody could technically fire me for.
02:09:56.000So I'm kind of glad that it's a thing.
02:09:57.000Really curious where it's coming from, whether it's the WEF or something and probably not vaccines.