The government is running out of money, and a shutdown is on the horizon. We're joined by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) and Ami Horowitz (D-VA) to discuss the possibility of a government shutdown.
00:00:24.000So this is really big news right now, and I see a lot of people already in the chat are cheering for a shutdown, but we'll get into the finer details there.
00:00:32.000Joe Biden apparently is going to be sending 800 troops to the border.
00:00:35.000We've got an emergency declaration on the border already because 4,000 illegal immigrants entered in a single day, and Project Veritas is gone.
00:00:43.000So we did talk about this a little bit yesterday, but now it is confirmed, I suppose, that there's numerous reports now talking about Project Veritas being completely done with.
00:00:52.000They're laying off the last of their journalists.
00:01:44.000We're going to have a members-only, uncensored show for you tonight, as we often do Monday through Thursday, where we will take questions and callers from you in the audience.
00:02:41.000Thrilled to be here, filling in for Serge for one more night, but yeah, let's do this.
00:02:45.000Let's jump into the first story from the New York Times.
00:02:48.000Right-wing rebels block defense bill again, rebuking McCarthy on spending.
00:02:54.000It was the second time in a week that hard-right Republicans, I love that, I don't know what that means, had defied Speaker Kevin McCarthy on a spending measure, signaling that the GOP was still far from agreement on a bill to fund the government.
00:03:05.000All right, let's just start from the beginning.
00:03:08.000So the government runs out of money at the end of September, and we've known that for a year.
00:03:13.000And that is the money that was agreed to with Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi as part of the massive omnibus that most conservatives and I think most regular folks opposed.
00:03:24.000And we made a commitment in January as part of the speaker contest that We would not govern by having one up or down vote on every disparate agency of government through continuing resolutions or omnibus bills.
00:03:41.000You never get the type of specific review of anything when you do that.
00:03:47.000Here we are at the end of the month and we've only passed one of the twelve single subject spending bills.
00:03:54.000And that's got a lot of people concerned.
00:03:56.000McCarthy initially said, well, what we really need to do is pass a continuing resolution again.
00:04:02.000Which, you know, this country has been governed by continuing resolution, or omnibus, since the mid-90s.
00:04:08.000I know omnibus is when you pack a bunch of things into one bill and then get someone, but what's a continuing resolution?
00:04:14.000A continuing resolution is, however things are being funded right now, just fund them the same way next year, with increases for, you know, inflation, cost of living.
00:04:23.000So just keep doing everything the way it's always been done is the definition of a continuing resolution.
00:04:29.000I do not believe that is a serious and responsible way to govern, and I believe the reason we have a $32 trillion debt is because we have governed this way since the mid-90s.
00:04:38.000So McCarthy wanted to do that and say, well, that'll just buy us time.
00:04:43.000We'll just do a continuing resolution for a little bit, but don't worry, after that we'll really get our single-subject spending bills in order.
00:04:50.000I've heard the same bullshit for seven years I've been here, and it's always the same rhythm.
00:04:55.000And so I got a group of conservatives together and we said we will never vote Up or down for every agency of government together ever again.
00:05:04.000We have to impose discipline on this process where there is programmatic analysis and review and a determination as to what's working and what's not working and the ability to actually isolate some of the most weaponized programs and excise them from the government budget strategy.
00:05:22.000This is not just a right-wing idea, to your point.
00:05:26.000When we were in the speaker contest fighting for this, No less than AOC went on Rachel Maddow and said, what the Freedom Caucus, what the conservatives are fighting for here, would actually be good for everyone.
00:05:38.000On the Young Turks, people who loathe me, and said they loathe me, said, well if you really think about it, these single subject bills could help us really evaluate our priorities as a nation.
00:05:52.000Even the New York Times ran an opinion piece.
00:05:54.000Matt Gaetz is right about McCarthy breaking those commitments.
00:05:57.000So, in Washington, people don't think you have to live up to your promises.
00:06:00.000They think you could just kind of bullshit your way through, oh, you make a promise, it's a few months later, you ignore it, you engage in some other power trading enterprise.
00:06:08.000We got together and said, no, you have to keep your word.
00:06:12.000And then, today, we had a little bit of a breakthrough.
00:06:17.000I just left a closed-door meeting with some of the most moderate members from New York, some of the most conservative members from around the country, and they acknowledged that the votes do not exist to pass a continuing resolution, and they sat down and said, what are the first four single-subject spending bills you'd like us to consider?
00:06:34.000And we said, well, you know, if we're going into a shutdown, Let's fund the DoD, and again, our appropriations bill has all the gating to keep money away from the gender reassignment surgeries and the DoD becoming an abortion travel agency and all the stuff that has been really problematic about the DoD.
00:06:51.000Our Department of Homeland Security funding bill.
00:06:54.000That pays the TSA agents, that pays Customs and Border Patrol, that pays ICE.
00:07:00.000Third, we want deep cuts to the Department of State and Foreign Ops.
00:07:04.000We think an easy place to show good faith on deep cuts is foreign aid.
00:07:09.000Because if we're out of money, maybe we should borrow less of it to give it to other countries.
00:07:15.000And then the final one is the agriculture appropriations bill that we agreed to bring up in debate because there's so much waste in the food stamps program, there's so much opportunity for savings with basic work requirements, and we think we can have deep cuts there.
00:07:31.000So if you get all that together, put it up, get it moving in single subject review, I think you can build real momentum.
00:07:37.000So the House has really abandoned the McCarthy CR strategy today and has embraced the Matt Gaetz strategy of single-subject spending bills.
00:07:47.000And that's not to my credit, that's to the credit of some of the moderates who I think wised up and said, If we're going to go into a shutdown, let's at least lay out what our priorities are.
00:07:57.000And by the way, it is divided government.
00:07:59.000So on those single-subject bills, we're going to have to negotiate with Democrats.
00:08:03.000And I think that is the situation the voters have put us in, but at least we can cast a vision by passing our bills and then having, I think, the best posture to negotiate with the Senate and the White House.
00:08:16.000I feel more productive today than I did yesterday when my sole goal was to kill governing by continuing resolution.
00:08:23.000I think we've got that pretty well buried six feet under for now.
00:08:27.000There's a threat from moderate Republicans to the Gates strategy, and it sort of goes like this.
00:08:32.000Well, here we are at the end of the road, Gates wants to spit out all these single-subject bills, and we just don't think there's time.
00:08:55.000Her name is Kay Granger and she left the meeting where we were going over funding the government because she didn't want to miss scooping up checks from lobbyists.
00:09:04.000Is this the first time there's not been an Omnibus or a CR in what, decades?
00:09:11.000I mean, this is the first time since, I think, 1997.
00:09:13.000You can check me on that, but to get that, here's what we have to avoid.
00:09:18.000So one of the bizarre rules of the House is if you ever have 218 signatures on any piece of legislation, it's do not pass go, do not collect $200, that legislation goes directly to the floor.
00:09:31.000So all 213 Democrats are willing to sign what's called a clean continuing
00:09:37.000resolution which is no changes to the government keep funding the woke weaponized
00:09:42.000government why wouldn't they this was the deal that mcconnell and pelosi initially made they'd
00:09:46.000continue that forever under under those terms so they've got a clean cr and what the threat is is
00:09:52.000that five uh you know liberal or moderate republicans could just say we don't want to do the
00:09:58.000single subject bills we don't want to go through the pain of doing the cuts to foreign aid or to
00:10:02.000food stamps or anything like that so we're just going to go sign what's called a discharge
00:10:07.000petition and then just move that thing like shit through it they they
00:10:11.000They absolutely could, and to those Republicans who would want to take that route, I think that's wonderful, and Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger will be there waiting at the bar afterwards when you retire and never get re-elected.
00:10:20.000Every Republican who would sign a discharge petition with the Democrats will be signing their own political death warrant.
00:10:27.000and handing it to their executioner. Because it'll be the Democrats hunting them and taking
00:10:31.000them out of office, and every one of them will lose their re-election. Some would lose it in
00:10:34.000a primary, some will lose it in a general. But the good news is, actually, some of the folks that
00:10:39.000might otherwise do that, I think, have really bought into my strategy to move single-subject
00:10:45.000individual spending bills. But it's not even about a strategy, it's about what is right for this
00:10:50.000We've long complained, as far as, as long as I've been active in, or as long as I've been an adult dealing with politics, the idea that, what do they bring in, like a wagon with all the 5,000 pages?
00:11:02.000They wield it into Congress or whatever?
00:11:03.000Like, okay, you're voting on this, you can't read it, sign it.
00:11:53.000They call it a defense bill to make you look bad for going against it, but there's other stuff in there.
00:11:58.000Well, this particular bill is a single-subject defense appropriations bill, but there's amendments to take out the Ukraine money.
00:12:05.000There's amendments where people want different Things to happen with military policy or with a mission that relates to their district or their constituents.
00:12:14.000And by the way, that's what governing looks like.
00:12:17.000Mowing through those amendments, giving them their ten minutes of debate each, debating all night if we have to, all morning, and then let the votes fall where they may.
00:12:26.000What I'm not okay with is a few people in a back room come up with that 5,000-page bill, and you've got, you know, a day or two to figure out whether or not you're pro-government or anti-government.
00:12:43.000You mentioned one woman goes off to a dinner with lobbyists or whatever?
00:12:48.000Yeah, she couldn't be bothered to work with us on what should be the non-defense discretionary number that we have and how should we consider what amendments should be voted on or not voted on.
00:12:59.000She left to go to a lobbyist fundraiser.
00:13:02.000Well, so let me ask you, what does this mean?
00:13:03.000What does a government shutdown mean for the average person?
00:13:06.000I can tell you what it means in my district.
00:13:08.000In the Florida Panhandle it means tens of thousands of people go without a paycheck who keep our country safe, who are the civil servants doing the highest end research.
00:13:16.000It means that the weapons that we're testing to ensure that America holds the high ground, that that goes on hold.
00:13:23.000It means that in an era where 61% of people in this country are living paycheck to paycheck, that people will be deeply uncomfortable if this thing lasts more than a month.
00:13:38.000I think that we are destined for a short shutdown if we can get the... and that's because our speaker was not doing the work in the spring and in the summer, you know, presenting these bills on the floor for us to work through them over time.
00:13:54.000A bug of the system, I think it's a feature.
00:13:57.000I think the whole goal is to set these deadlines where we don't do any work and then at the end, you centralize power with the donor class and the lobbyists.
00:14:07.000Because if they give a lot of money, they don't really, the reason they give that money is to not have individual review of their programs.
00:14:15.000It's just to get the people they give the money to, to make sure that their special interest is covered by the legislation.
00:14:21.000And if the donors are going to, say, the Speaker of the House, it's a lot easier to centralize your lobbying on a single individual than it is the entirety of Congress.
00:14:28.000And you heard all of my colleagues during the speaker contest debase themselves going to the floor saying, Kevin McCarthy is owed the speakership because of how much money he's raised and given us.
00:14:41.000Many of my colleagues used that as the centerpiece of their argument as to why we ought to vote for him.
00:14:46.000I used it as a centerpiece of why we shouldn't vote for him, because maybe we shouldn't vote for someone who's sold shares of themself.
00:14:53.000How would you... I just... my idea is... my hope is that the ideas you have and the way you do things, I hope it's winning.
00:15:01.000Well, I tell you what, we got the win at our back.
00:15:04.000And we didn't have the buy-in that we have today from Republican moderates to go through these bills individually.
00:15:11.000I think they're coming to realize that is the only way we're going to get through this.
00:15:15.000And I know this is wonky, but you have a very sophisticated audience, and I've got some thoughts to share.
00:15:19.000I've been out in America, and I know a little bit about the Tim Pool audience.
00:15:22.000But the circumstance is, if we do single-subject spending bills, And at the same time, have a continuing resolution that we pass?
00:15:32.000Well then, I know what the Senate will do.
00:15:35.000That swampy institution will just pick up the continuing resolution, negotiate its terms, and forget about all of the individual review of programs.
00:16:07.000Or else your campaign money goes away, or else your committee assignments could be jeopardized, otherwise your leadership, your gavel, if you're a chair or a ranking member on a committee, you could lose that.
00:16:20.000And then that's why people go home and say, you know what, I know that we're all bankrupt, we're killing the dollar, we're destroying the American dream, but I had to vote to keep everything open because, you know, our troops and our veterans.
00:16:30.000Could you imagine how long the Constitution would be if it was drafted today?
00:17:37.000We're at no risk of default because we have abolished the debt limit.
00:17:42.000We, through the bad debt deal that McCarthy valeted for Democrats into law, through that, there is no limit to the amount of Fed policy that can exist to keep printing money.
00:17:53.000The problem is that money can't go to deploy to government agencies to run government programs that are deemed non-essential during a shutdown.
00:18:01.000But you can increase the debt if the government is shut down, technically.
00:18:05.000Well, no, there is no limit to the amount of dollars we will pay on interest until January of 2025.
00:18:11.000That is the feature of the inaptly named- The May deal, the McCarthy- No, well, that's a different feature.
00:18:23.000That's if the 12 spending bills are not passed by March, then we do fund everything exactly
00:18:31.000the same, except take a 1% haircut, starting in March.
00:18:35.000And McCarthy and the advocates for the Fiscal Responsibility Act, which was fiscally irresponsible, they would say, but that's a cut in spending.
00:19:05.000If you stop spending 1% on something that could be making you a 2% return, you're actually losing money.
00:19:10.000So just stopping certain expenditures is not necessarily a good profit.
00:19:14.000That's a big debate we're having today because I had one member look at me and say, well Matt, here's really where I can get on board with you.
00:19:21.000If you just say, across the board, everyone takes a 7-8% haircut, everyone gets it, every program gets it the same, I think that's great.
00:19:31.000What I don't want to do is have to go in and make value judgments about vertical cuts.
00:19:36.000Who gets vertical cuts and who doesn't?
00:19:38.000Because I'm really worried that if we did that, there's some transportation projects in my district that would be deemed a boondoggle or wasteful and might be cut.
00:19:48.000So it can't be a merit-based analysis.
00:20:03.000Well, and so long as everyone's wasteful spending is reduced by an equal amount, and we don't look at logic or reason, where my district might do worse.
00:20:14.000I think it's fair to say all nonsensical programs get budget cuts, but all or nothing, I kind of feel like you should have an assessment on what we're wasting our money on and where we should spend it.
00:20:25.000It's almost like that's our fucking job!
00:20:28.000To look at the budget and figure out what works and what doesn't, and you're right!
00:20:32.000If we do uniform cuts across the board, then there could be things that actually are helpful and are working and might be providing a positive return that are diminished, while at the same time things that should be totally zeroed out get to avoid any type of sincere review.
00:20:48.000I gotta jump to this story from the Postmillennial before I get into the question I have for you.
00:20:51.000This is, uh, Ken Paxton reveals to Tucker Carlson that Biden administration lawyers were part of his impeachment investigation in Texas.
00:20:57.000So, of course, Ken Paxton, interviewed by Tucker, even when I say that he believes 2020 was fraud, that stopping the ballot counting in Georgia was so that they can, this is what he said, he said they want to see how many votes they needed.
00:21:08.000There's a lot of questions around the DOJ's involvement in targeting Trump supporters over the 2020 election.
00:21:14.000And one of the big conversations that I hear quite a bit is, defund the FBI, take away the funding for the DOJ if they're going to be political, and target Trump supporters with these disproportionate charges.
00:21:24.000You get a guy, you know, he gets a couple years from burning down a police station, and then some other guy knocks over a barricade and gets two decades.
00:21:31.000I'm curious where the conversation is right now in Congress around defunding these law enforcement agencies for the disproportionate... It's central to the last 48 hours because the McCarthy CR that we had to kill was sort of based on the proposition that by surrendering every fight that wasn't the border and picking only the border fight that we could isolate an issue that really brought Republicans like me in concert with Eric Adams, the Democrat mayor of New York.
00:22:02.000I and many others were unwilling to go along with that tactic precisely because to surrender the fight at the Department of Justice and the FBI and the weaponization that is occurring there, you know, is just not palatable.
00:22:15.000And it's not just that stuff you worry about and that constellation of problems the federal government has doesn't just emerge in the DOJ and the FBI.
00:22:23.000I told you that the Homeland Security bill is one of the ones that's in this four bill package that we're
00:22:30.000And there's a lot of concerns about CISA, these entities at Homeland Security that do a lot of
00:22:36.000domestic surveillance, that are evaluating political speech that is posted on social media,
00:22:42.000that are creating threat tags around various types of First Amendment protected activity.
00:22:48.000So that's hard work, but I'd rather do that while looking only at the Department of Homeland Security than do that while looking at the Department of Homeland Security and the Post Office.
00:23:13.000Well, I think that really what we've got to do is return the FBI to a law enforcement agency, not an intelligence collection entity.
00:23:22.000Really, the communization of the FBI altered the perspective of the FBI.
00:23:28.000They don't look at crimes and try to catch people committing crimes, they try to become predictive of what's going to happen in the future.
00:23:35.000And when they become predictive and then align that with a really left I'm curious as we switch into, assuming you switch into single-subject spending bills, where Democrats will fall on a lot of these issues.
00:23:45.000next door might be a domestic terrorist, that creates the cauldron of weaponization.
00:24:04.000I'm sure, you would probably know better than me, but, you know, I got a super chat here saying, defund the FBI, the ATF.
00:24:09.000I'm wondering where a lot of Democrats would fall if someone said, hey, we want to provide X amount of dollars to this agency, say, you know, the FBI, the CIA.
00:24:17.000I imagine some of them might just be like, I literally don't care one way or another, and could be swayed to either not support or support it, whereas if you have an omnibus, they're going to say yes no matter what, right?
00:24:27.000Well, interestingly, what is defining how the Democrats view a lot of these things is abortion.
00:24:33.000You know, on the defense appropriations bill, we have certain restrictions on how money can be used so that the Department of Defense isn't an abortion travel agency.
00:24:43.000And for that and that alone, every Democrat will vote against the defense spending bill.
00:24:48.000I've gone to some of them and said, like, this builds a new 200 million dollar hangar in your district.
00:24:53.000This brings aircraft into your state or into your community and they don't give a shit.
00:24:58.000If they're, like, they are so, um, I would say driven by this abortion issue, that that takes them all off the bill.
00:25:05.000Then the agriculture bill, there's this big debate about these pills that get mailed out and the FDA's kind of regulation that kind of gets wrapped up in the Ag FDA.
00:25:16.000So even the agriculture bill, they'll find a way to kind of wrap in with abortion.
00:25:22.000Whatever the spending is cut down to in terms of some way going to abortion, break it up further and then have like the minor abortion funding bill.
00:25:33.000Please sign it and it says this bill allows for the funding of abortions in your state up to X million dollars and abolishes the Department of Education.
00:25:40.000See, now you've divorced yourself from the single-subject spending paradigm.
00:25:44.000Now you're playing the lock-rolling game, Tim.
00:25:50.000I mean, if you have to collect votes on funding for the ATF, how many Democrats are going to be very enthusiastic about signing a bill to provide funding to the ATF?
00:26:00.000All of them, because they believe that gun violence is the next great national emergency that might justify locking us all in our homes and dictating how we live our lives.
00:26:12.000And the ATF is central to how to kind of gun scare people into a real restriction of their liberties.
00:26:19.000How many Republicans would be in favor of not abolishing, but defunding to any degree the ATF?
00:26:27.000I think we have a number of Republicans who will support some cuts, but let me give you an example of what we face.
00:26:33.000I had a Republican stand up and say, one of my concerns is, look, we centralize a lot of these FBI people in Washington, D.C., and they all become politicians, because CNN's taking them to a Washington Nationals game, and ABC's wanting to develop a source, so they all become kind of media politicians.
00:26:51.000So we wanted less of that going on in D.C.
00:26:53.000So they've got a proposal for a $325 million new facility in the D.C.
00:26:59.000area, and I thought we should not fund that.
00:27:02.000We should keep them at the J. Edgar Hoover building where they belong.
00:27:06.000And a Republican stood up and said, I won't support taking $1 off of that new FBI building, because then we will be the party of defunding the police.
00:27:15.000You're laughing, but they've already used that line over and over.
00:27:38.000I don't think that, while the Democrats keep saying that, I think the American people are smart enough to appreciate that distinction.
00:27:44.000But I just don't see that as a winning strategy for Democrats.
00:27:47.000Who have constituents who are angry with policing in their districts, in their cities, especially as it pertains to Black Lives Matter, to try and then shift it to the Republicans or defunding the police.
00:27:56.000And then all you gotta do is come out and be like, well, you know, the issue was that we were concerned about the lives of our black and brown friends and family members.
00:28:32.000Look, one of the greatest pieces of political theater I've seen in my lifetime is having Greg Abbott and Florida sending up migrants to blue cities.
00:28:41.000And to watch the apoplexion of the blue mayors is beyond belief.
00:28:47.000I mean, to see the mayor of Chicago say it's inhumane to send them to Chicago, I'm like, now you see my point.
00:28:53.000I've been saying that for now for years.
00:28:55.000I love the... It's just, how do you describe it?
00:28:59.000We all sit here, trying our best to be good stewards of this nation, good stewards of this earth, of humanity, and we politely and respectfully say, hey, unwatched, unregulated, illegal immigration is causing problems for everybody, including the migrants, and they tell you to shut up, they call you racist, they call you a bigot, and then we say, okay, well, if you disagree, then this works out.
00:29:19.000We'll send them your way, because you want to help them out, and you don't like the way we run things, and now, apoplectic.
00:29:24.000No single issue showed the hypocrisy of the left than this, right?
00:29:29.000When they jumped up and down and said, New York is a sanctuary city.
00:29:33.000Well, until you actually send them to me and then we're not a sanctuary city anymore.
00:29:53.000And so by extending socialism, they became a magnet for what now they claim ails them.
00:30:01.000Tell that the tens of thousands of homeless people I see on my streets in Manhattan every single day who are not being housed or home.
00:30:07.000But the best part is that what they what they try to do is they try to frame the homelessness issue as an economic issue, not as an issue of mental illness or drug abuse.
00:30:56.000These people are often content with having their, you know, little, their tent and their mattress, where they can go under the bridge and do whatever they want, do drugs, or they're incapable of supporting themselves.
00:31:08.000But of course, the left says, it's an issue of, I love the line, they say, did you know that there are more empty houses than homeless?
00:31:15.000And I'm like, sure, but I mean, if you put a mentally unstable individual who's struggling to wash themselves and work into a house, It's just going to fall apart around them.
00:31:49.000And they quote that study all day long.
00:31:51.000Yeah, well, I walked up to a homeless guy, and he had a bottle of red wine, and he was just chugging from it, and I was like, you doing okay, man?
00:32:01.000Or something like, just muttered and muttered and said nonsensical words, his face was beet red, and I was like, I don't know how you help this guy.
00:32:08.000If he can't communicate with you, and I mean- But was it either Saturday or the morning?
00:32:15.000It was a weekday, it was like a Wednesday, and we were like, we want to try and figure out how we can help these guys.
00:32:20.000And don't get me wrong, I've met homeless people who are totally of sound mind, who are in hard circumstances, but the issues with those guys is they take help almost immediately.
00:32:28.000You know, I told the story of a guy I met who was older and he became homeless because he lost his job.
00:32:31.000These guys tend to accept the help instantly, go to the shelter, and then they're back on their feet very, very quickly.
00:32:37.000You know, if someone finds themselves homeless, holding up a sign... They're not chronically homeless.
00:33:02.000I think we have to re-institutionalize people.
00:33:04.000I think we have to spend money to build hospitals that are warm, loving environments where they can get treatment, and they can get help, and they can get food, and we have to force them.
00:33:29.000Well, right, I mean, you know, the opportunities now to have better oversight, better facilities, look at the way prisons have changed in their construction and how inmates are, you know, able to be Cared for and observed with fewer staff, more cameras, AI technology, sensor technology, communications technology, different types of displays that you have available.
00:33:54.000So I think that we're not going to go back to like the 1960s and 70s version of institutions.
00:34:00.000Yeah, we're not going back to that world.
00:34:02.000We could do this in a more modernized way.
00:34:13.000You can even have somebody like a therapist watching the call, if you want, and they can be taking notes and they know they're being watched.
00:34:20.000It'd be like a privilege you could earn from good behavior.
00:34:24.000I think the default should be that you have free communications.
00:34:26.000I think that should happen in jail too, personally.
00:34:28.000Free activities, you can come and go from your room as you please.
00:34:31.000And then depending on the severity of the suffering of the individual, like
00:34:35.000if they're prone to delusions and then violence, then we say, okay, now we're going to detain you
00:34:41.000because you're a threat to others. But for a lot of these people who are, let's just say they're
00:34:46.000not capable of supporting themselves due to a lack of cognitive capabilities.
00:34:52.000Well, you can come and go from your room as you please, you're a nice individual, you're not causing anyone harm, here's board games, here's food, but you're off the streets, you're not covered in filth, you're not doing drugs, you're not drinking, you're not crapping on the ground, and we're actually trying to help you.
00:35:09.000No, these people are not being helped by being left to roam of their own devices and just live in the corner of buildings and in their own waste.
00:35:16.000It's dangerous for other people too, having to step over those people and if they get hungry, if one guy snaps and he's got a sharp piece of glass on him, you know, you gotta... Or they're just doing drugs, man.
00:35:24.000You would think it's a non-parsing issue, but the reality is, we were talking about wedge issues before, they use it, they want it, because they use it as a wedge issue to say, look at how horrible our economic system is today.
00:35:37.000Why wouldn't it work as a wedge issue?
00:35:39.000As a Florida man, I don't really understand the homelessness thing because we have less of a societal tolerance for it.
00:35:45.000We just tell people you can't set up encampments.
00:35:49.000We do what we can as a state to be compassionate, like you say, for those who want help, but you don't see these things in Florida like you see them in LA or New York.
00:35:59.000I don't understand why the argument isn't more compelling.
00:36:03.000I'll get these people to leave and quality of life will be better.
00:36:06.000Is that too simplistic of a political message?
00:36:08.000We're just shuffling them off somewhere else.
00:36:09.000I think we have to find a more sustainable solution.
00:36:13.000I want to ask you guys about this story.
00:36:14.000This is from the Washington Post from just the other day.
00:36:16.000Trump hits new poll highs with black and hispanic voters.
00:36:23.000I think they're typically full of crap.
00:36:25.000They say either former President Donald Trump's standing in the early 2024 polls is inflated, or we are headed for a sizable realignment in how non-white voters cast their ballots.
00:36:35.000Multiple polls in recent weeks have shown Trump performing historically well among black and Hispanic voters in head-to-head matchups with Biden, helping put him neck-and-neck with Biden in a way he rarely was during the 2020 matchup.
00:36:46.000So my question is, you guys, is it true?
00:36:58.000Affluent white female liberals probably aren't dealing with the cost of a family meal at a restaurant.
00:37:03.000Yeah, when the cost of a facial goes up, it's probably less impactful to the family budget than when you see prices rising at the grocery store or the gas station.
00:37:45.000They haven't voted that way because the Democrats sold them, you know, magic beans and said, look, we'll give you a few dollars and for that you'll vote for us.
00:37:56.000I think they're now coming around saying, you know, first of all, A, it has not helped me, and B, all these cultural issues that I'm against are another part of the Democratic Party that I've been supporting.
00:38:06.000I think the more we see these issues, like, you know, when people see the radical trans agenda and they laugh, they go, what does that even mean?
00:38:12.000What that means is pretty simple stuff.
00:38:14.000Like, look, I don't want to see a child getting medically transitioning, right?
00:38:20.000I don't want to see a kid being taken away from their parents.
00:38:22.000I don't want to see a man running against females or swimming against females.
00:38:27.000Like, that's what we're talking about.
00:39:54.000By the way, that is the modern incarnation of reparations.
00:39:59.000Like, to go and take these programs that were broadly available and then to put sort of a lens of critical race theory or, you know, directing those money to non-white areas, like, that is the modern day reparations that's happening now.
00:40:13.000But you say that's, you don't think that's a winning message?
00:40:38.000Look, my parents did it, my grandparents did it, and there's also an association, frankly, Republicanism and white.
00:40:44.000There's all this cultural baggage that they have, but if you break down the issues in the black community, This is what you get, right?
00:40:53.000And the Hispanic community, by the way, I think that having their open border policy, I know that ultimately, what was the goal of the Democratic Party?
00:41:00.000They wanted to change the browning of America.
00:41:03.000They thought that would lock in a Democratic majority for generations.
00:41:06.000And they said that on MSNBC and all these networks, and then it was called a conspiracy theory.
00:41:10.000Or white replacement theory, or racism.
00:41:13.000But in reality, this is probably one of the greatest geopolitical mistakes the Democratic Party has ever made, because Hispanics Look, they're coming here, and while I think obviously we need to shut down the border for any illegal immigrants, the reality is, the people who are coming here are coming from a place, they're running away from what?
00:41:33.000Things that have destroyed their party.
00:41:34.000They're not looking to replicate that here.
00:41:37.000There's a big Florida energy around that.
00:41:39.000There are a lot of Hispanic voters in Florida that are saying, what the Democrats talk about sounds a lot like what my parents and grandparents said they fled from, and we don't want that here.
00:41:49.000Let me propose an alternate theory, just for the sake of debate.
00:41:54.000What if it's just that Trump's the one that's most persecuted?
00:41:57.000What if you have a lot of African-American males who feel like they are subject to persecution by the white man, and they see Trump getting persecuted by a lot of white men, and they identify with that, and they're like, you know what?
00:42:24.000I think there's also a lot of, you know, look man, there are people who like gold chains and gold toilets and Donald Trump is the king of the golden toilet.
00:42:35.000What you're seeing in this story is that it's rising.
00:42:39.000Honestly, that would explain more Trump 2016, because he was kind of a Trump-type, right?
00:42:44.000A rap icon, you know, Mac Miller wrote the Trump song, and now I think he is known basically more by his time as president and these political prosecutions.
00:43:02.000The reason why I don't like the argument is because It just drives me insane every time Trump gets in front of a microphone and he talks about the persecution complex.
00:43:14.000I've said it a million times, we all know this, the only words out of his mouth have to be inflation and immigration.
00:43:28.000If he just made a video on a rant where it was like a very, you know, I got a friend and they can't afford to buy, they go to the grocery store and they're spending three, four hundred bucks a week, everyone's gonna hear that.
00:43:40.000Those are the viral TikTok memes, where you got these 25 year olds being like, here's what we bought a year ago, here's what we bought today.
00:44:33.000If the government is just raising the debt limit and spending money that doesn't exist or printing it or creating it or fractional reserving it or whatever, then it's devaluing all the currency everyone else has, it's driving up prices, and then people, they wonder why it's happening.
00:44:45.000But the one thing I can say is, I don't think it matters who's in office when the economy is bad.
00:44:50.000All that matters is the economy is bad.
00:44:52.000You can make all the political arguments in the world for what Biden supports and doesn't support.
00:45:16.000Do you think the Democrats, the persecution with Trump and this pushing of Trump was in order to get him the nomination?
00:45:25.000Or do you think they're that smart and devious?
00:45:28.000They thought, look, the more we do this, the more we get Ami Horowitz, who might not necessarily support Trump speaking out publicly for him, because it pisses him off.
00:46:24.000Like, they need him because, in a weird way, Trump and Biden kind of need each other, right?
00:46:30.000Because Trump is able to contrast directly with Biden on the economy, whereas if you get a Gavin Newsom, it's just, you know, it's the art of the imagination and the possible, whereas Biden you have a clear record to run against.
00:46:42.000And I think Biden needs Trump because the central argument for Joe Biden's candidacy is, well, I'm the one guy who's beaten Trump.
00:46:50.000I think Joe Biden's going to drop out.
00:46:52.000So walk me through what you think is the time frame on that and the replacement strategy.
00:46:57.000So I don't know, what I should say is I think there is a high probability, whatever that number may be, that Biden is not the nominee in 2024.
00:47:13.000Now, I don't know, because it would seem, with all forward-facing information and everything from the news, Joe Biden is going to run again.
00:47:38.000Newsom is substantially better for Democrats than Joe Biden is.
00:47:41.000Joe Biden recently, there was a CBS report, I think it said, that he's concerned he won't live long enough, that Hunter Biden's legal troubles will persist, and he may die soon.
00:47:50.000That's his legal troubles are going to go on for another 40 years.
00:47:54.000But then you had Washington Post run a story where they said a Democrat in Ohio outright claimed Joe Biden's death is imminent because of his old age.
00:48:01.000So when you've got local Democrats all saying this guy's not going to last much longer, they certainly have to keep him away from bicycles.
00:48:11.000But I mean, you've got just recently speaking to the U.N.
00:48:14.000when he said our institutions and we're just like, what did he say?
00:48:20.000It may be the case that Democrats are just too weak to make the required statement of everyone who is in it, like all Democrat voters.
00:48:31.000We all know you are concerned about Biden's health and we are formally asking Joe Biden to step back and allow a new candidate to stand who will have a primary.
00:48:39.000I just can't imagine With them knowing all of this, with all of the corporate press saying this, and them even calling, now CNN ran a big segment about Joe Biden being a liar.
00:48:51.000I'm like, these signs don't indicate a Joe Biden 2024, they indicate not a Joe Biden 2024.
00:48:56.000I'll tell you what the problem is though.
00:49:29.000I think if she decided that she wanted to enter the fray, I think not only will she win the nomination, she wins the election.
00:49:36.000By the way, probably without even contesting a primary or general, because she would simply walk into the convention, Joe Biden would have an instant medical need to depart, and at the convention it would be viewed as this kind of dramatic, unifying, electric moment.
00:49:51.000She would walk in, the Michelle Obama banners would go up, and that would be a far more formidable opponent than Joe Biden.
00:49:58.000If Michelle Obama decided to run, I wouldn't be surprised if Joe Biden said, You know, guys, I'm getting a little old for this, and no one's better than Michelle.
00:50:24.000So my advice to the deep state... You would agree that Michelle Obama would be a tougher general election candidate to defeat than Gavin Newsom, right?
00:50:42.000I'm not saying it's going to be a landslide or anything for Michelle Obama.
00:50:45.000I'm saying that it would be very, very difficult to overcome someone who doesn't have the negatives of Barack, because she wasn't the one bombing kids, and isn't as active in politics.
00:50:56.000It's a clean slate, high-profile celebrity personality.
00:50:59.000However, didn't she push the fitness thing and then get thick?
00:51:05.000Well, what happened was she was pushing the Let's Move campaign, which was an anti-sugar move.
00:51:08.000And then they got in and the big sugar came to her and they're like, why don't you make it an exercise campaign, Michelle?
00:53:19.000What happened was that Larry Elder was actually making strides.
00:53:25.000After Larry Elder pulled at the top of the bumper, he was literally about to win that, and then the big money was the tech money that was sitting on the sidelines.
00:53:34.000The big tech money said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:53:36.000You're telling me that Larry Elder might be a replacement?
00:53:39.000Then the tech money flowed in and that's when his numbers changed.
00:53:42.000He was going to lose that recall until the tech bros decided, we're going to weigh in.
00:53:47.000However, listen, you are what your record says you are.
00:53:52.000This guy beat a recall, beat it massively in an off-year election when he locked down Californians.
00:53:59.000Now, I'm married to a Californian, and I know this about them.
00:54:11.000They got, like, cool indoor things to do.
00:54:13.000You take these Californians who, like, are used to eating outside and, like, doing all these things, and you tell them that they're locked down, and these people go crazy, and they showed up and voted for Gavin Newsom anyway.
00:54:24.000There are restaurants in Southern California that are just outside.
00:54:27.000There's, like, no roof because the weather's always so nice.
00:55:25.000Ultimately, the only thing that seems to make sense is that the corporate press and the Democrats are outright admitting Biden can't win.
00:55:33.000Well, this is my question because I think that Trump, and this is something that comes up on the show, and God forbid this happens, I hope it doesn't, but that he's taken off the ballot in at least one state.
00:55:41.000Because some guy, somebody in some state's like, no, he committed a crime, I don't want him on.
00:55:45.000Then maybe they'll legislate it, maybe they'll go take it to the Supreme Court, it'll get overturned, but it'll be too late by that point.
00:55:50.000Because he's only on the ballot in 49 states, he can't win.
00:56:22.000On election day, you get 19-inch ballots on 20-inch paper or whatever, the machines get jammed up, and it happens.
00:56:28.000It's going to be election day, people are going to go to the polling locations, and polling locations are going to have ballots where Trump's name is smudged, removed, or whatever, Well, guess what we're gonna need this time that we didn't have last time?
00:56:40.000Like, Ronald McDaniel did such a bad job as the head of the RNC, and frankly, I wish he was not leading that organization currently, but they were all interested in promotion and brand building, but there's a certain amount of, like, lawyering and being ready to get those injunctions right then.
00:56:56.000Because the key difference is, once you get polluted ballots intermingled with non-polluted ballots, you're never going to have any judge in the country that's going to exercise jurisdiction to go and unwind that.
00:57:07.000So let's say, in Arizona, on election day 2024, not the early votes, not the mail-in votes, just the in-person votes, Trump's name is missing.
00:58:13.000I think more people intended to vote for Carrie Lake than intended to vote for Katie Hobbs, and it's a great travesty she's not the governor, but there were also some self-inflicted wounds there.
00:58:22.000You know when I'm willing to take someone's vote, Anytime they're willing to give it to me.
00:58:26.000And when you drive your voters to one particular day and one particular vote method, you invite a vulnerability.
00:58:34.000So the concern I have, I suppose, is it's not so simple as to say, we need an injunction on this election right now because Trump's name's on the ballot, and then get immediate relief.
00:58:50.000There's a duty judge that's on So this means the election will have to take place a week from now after we reprint the ballots and get them fixed.
00:58:55.000However, the second thing is, and I don't know if it'll be Arizona that does this, or I think there's a possibility it happens, the Secretary of State then says, we legally and legitimately took his name off the ballot under the 14th Amendment, so before you get your injunction, we get a chance to argue why we did it.
00:59:10.000Sure, well that's an injunction hearing.
00:59:12.000They'll have like an hour to argue it.
00:59:14.000But if they already print the ballots, you'll be arguing day of, during the election, and the judge will have to say, I nullify today's results?
00:59:23.000It is within the power of a court to provide that relief in real time without a deleterious delay.
00:59:29.000I mean, if this was going to go down, This would already have been done before the election.
00:59:35.000I don't think the thing where it's going to be a surprise, where the Attorney General of a state is going to be all of a sudden, on day of election, take the name off, I think it's going to be done beforehand.
00:59:48.000The files were changed at hundreds of locations.
00:59:51.000I don't know how that's possible unless someone intentionally goes and manually changes the setting.
00:59:57.000And I think that was the determination that all of these, it was a couple hundred voting machine locations had the wrong ballots for the wrong machines.
01:00:05.000I'm sort of arguing the 14th amendment argument that they're making.
01:00:07.000You're not arguing they're taking him off the ballot because he shouldn't qualify to run for president?
01:00:11.000What I'm saying is, if they can create the bad ballots and have them ready on election day without anyone knowing, they certainly can do the same thing and say, I didn't need to inform you that there was a 14th Amendment determination.
01:00:23.000I think it would be really, really hard to...
01:00:25.000Maintain the results of an election like that, where someone unilaterally, without notice, decides they're going to remove a candidate's name from the ballot.
01:00:32.000I agree, but in Arizona they did this.
01:00:34.000They didn't unilaterally remove a candidate's name.
01:00:37.000But the ballots did not work in the machines they were made for, and that was done unilaterally, at hundreds of locations, disenfranchising voters, and the only argument they have In favor of Hobbes was, oh, but don't worry, nobody lost their vote because of it.
01:01:20.000It was the correct decision of Ken Paxton to file the suit.
01:01:23.000It was the correct decision of Alito and Thomas to say the Supreme Court should hear this case.
01:01:29.000But the rest of the justices, in my view, were probably sitting there being like, I'm not going to be responsible for a contingent election.
01:01:38.000There's gonna... I'm willing to believe.
01:01:41.000Right, a bunch of these judges, when it came to 2020, it's not a question of fraud.
01:01:46.000I've never been a big fan of like, oh, the ballots printed in China Dominion.
01:01:49.000The issue was, Texas argued that four key states altered their election rules outside of a legislature through executives or through the judiciary and that is not constitutionally allowed and there needs to be a review on this.
01:02:02.000That is true and correct if you read the constitution.
01:02:05.000The state legislatures have ultimate say.
01:02:07.000And some of these legislatures were actually asking Trump and asking states, hey, we did not agree to these terms with universal mail-in voting, etc.
01:02:14.000Pennsylvania, the GOP teamed up and they made these changes.
01:02:48.000Democrats think Russia interfered to get Trump elected, which means 2012 was the last real election we ever had!
01:02:53.000Look, I'll tell you my issue with all these arguments, and it's another issue I have with Trump is that he keeps talking about, fine, the election was stolen, the election was stolen.
01:03:23.000And that's why we lost Georgia, it's why we lost the Senate, and I think it's- We also had terrible candidates in Georgia.
01:03:29.000Well, I think the fraud narrative helped Democrats win.
01:03:33.000One of them in particular was terrible.
01:03:37.000Look, this is a huge issue that I will never... I can't look at Trump and say, you know, I take your apology.
01:03:45.000He lost the Senate because he pushed people not to vote for the Senate candidates.
01:03:49.000We had a Democrat politician on the Culture Warshow Friday mornings who said, I ran ads of Trump's statements To disenfranchise Republican voters?
01:04:10.000I don't love the way things are run in Fulton and DeKalb County, but there's at least more opportunity for state lawmakers to put those local jurisdictions into some sort of legal receivership when they start breaking the law.
01:04:22.000So there's been some progress in Georgia.
01:04:25.000I would not be surprised if in 2024 you have in Republican swing state areas, whoops, the ballots were smudged for Joe Biden, and then in Democrat areas, whoops, the ballots were smudged for Trump, something happening procedurally because If you look at Arizona as the key example of this with Kerry Lake, I don't understand how any judge could reasonably say that election is sound when the ballots were wrong.
01:04:51.000Like, I'm sorry, if I was a judge and someone came to me and said, hey, the wrong ballots were printed, I'd be like, oh wow, we better have a new election.
01:05:00.000You look at that, and my concern now is, why would Republicans not play the same game?
01:05:04.000And say, okay, in the jurisdictions we have more control over with the Secretary of State that we need to win, let's whoopsy-daisy some ballots.
01:05:10.000And then Democrats will just do the same thing that happened in Arizona and other jurisdictions.
01:05:13.000That goes to a very ugly place, my man.
01:05:16.000If we can't resolve these differences through elections, then, you know, history tells us that it's a far darker place that people go.
01:05:24.000I don't like the path of using dirty tactics.
01:05:26.000I think that what you were saying, Ami, is that, like, if we should offer solutions.
01:05:30.000Like, yeah, maybe the votes were hacked back in the day.
01:05:32.000I've got Clinton Eugene Curtis testifying in front of Congress that he built software that flips votes 51-49.
01:05:38.000Okay, that's on congressional testimony.
01:05:41.000Knowing that developers can flip votes 51-49 and you don't see it makes me wonder that maybe we should fortify against that.
01:05:48.000Maybe we should start backing up our votes on a blockchain somewhere.
01:05:51.000Somewhere that's immutable that we can reference.
01:05:53.000So we don't have to rely on a private corporation to tell us what our vote tallies were.
01:05:57.000Let me ask you, Matt, do you think there's any appetite among Democrats or any chance they would support a bill that would make voting machines code open source?
01:06:07.000Yes, there are Democrats who particularly look at blockchain as a tool that can be used in election integrity.
01:06:15.000And so, it's the younger ones... Well, not blockchain, I'm just saying... Well, no, blockchain actually... I was answering specifically what Ian was saying, because there are folks who believe that that would be a way to really validate these things and create a standard for the world.
01:06:28.000The code for these machines needs to be publicly available.
01:06:31.000I don't know that we can really do that.
01:06:32.000I don't know that we can go tell someone that they have to make their code open source.
01:06:43.000You know, the other thing is, and this also pissed me off, I think it was Megyn Kelly who was interviewing Trump, and she said, look, the Democrats are ballot harvesting.
01:07:11.000But the only answer is, that's a tactic they're using.
01:07:16.000It would be political malpractice not to do the same thing.
01:07:19.000As much as I dislike it, I do dislike it.
01:07:24.000I give a lot of credit to Charlie Kirk and Turning Point because they have operationalized a lot of young people to get involved in getting folks to make their ballot requests, showing back up when that request is made.
01:07:35.000Bring a stamp if you have to, tell somebody to put it in the mailbox, get the ballot, put it in the dropbox.
01:07:40.000I mean, that work is being, we're finally building that infrastructure.
01:07:44.000It should be the Republican Party doing that.
01:07:46.000They have failed, and so it's a group-like turning point.
01:07:50.000Dude, it's so important that we open up the voting machines so we can see their tallying tactics, because there's no greater threat, in my opinion, to the American way of life than international technocracy.
01:08:00.000And if people are trying to control our elections on voting machines behind the scenes, like that is...
01:08:22.000In Florida, it was actually the Democrats who said this technology with the pimpled chads and the dimpled chads after the Bush v. Gore matter, they wanted paper ballots.
01:08:34.000So now in Florida, anytime there's any funny business where people got concerns about machines or tabulation, there's a requirement for paper ballots, there's a chain of custody for those paper ballots, there are retention requirements for those paper ballots, and it's led to a pretty high-functioning system.
01:08:53.000This is why people gotta vote locally, and too many people look to federal government to solve problems that federal government cannot solve.
01:09:01.000Can you guys from the federal government issue, like, suggestions to states?
01:09:07.000Back when school choice was really emerging in the thought space of conservatism, Congress was looking to get involved, but we believed education was primarily a state function.
01:09:20.000But there is one place that we have exclusive jurisdiction, and it's Washington D.C.
01:09:27.000education vouchers, they drove down the cost, they increased the quality, and then that became a model for places like Florida, where we've expanded school choice.
01:09:36.000So one idea Is that you take whatever is the gold standard for elections on signature verification, election day voting, voter ID, not letting illegal aliens vote, you know... All the Jim Crow stuff?
01:10:29.000Yeah, we have a committee, the House Administration Committee, that has jurisdiction over this, and it's precisely what the chairman told me he's working on.
01:10:35.000An ideal election integrity bill for Washington, D.C.
01:10:39.000that we hope would draw favor elsewhere.
01:11:08.000It does feel perfect political timing, all of a sudden this news is back in place, the election's coming up, and now we're getting big news about this.
01:11:15.000Why, is this like a legitimate spike that's just happening right now, or has this been going on for the past, you know, two, three years?
01:12:25.000Look, at the end of the day, they still believe, despite what we've talked about before, where they're making a mistake in terms of how this is going to work out generationally for them, they still think this is the best tactic to lock in generational Democratic votes by letting everybody in I did a video one time where I walked around and I asked the left, I said, is having a border racist?
01:12:48.000And they all said, yes, it's racist to have a border because you're not allowing brown people into the country.
01:12:55.000Now, ironically, when I went across the border and I asked the migrants, is it wrong for America to have a border?
01:13:25.000It's a virtue signal because they're getting hammered by Eric Adams and Hochul and a lot of these sanctuary city jurisdiction Left-leaning politicians and they are in need of some sort of gesture that they can point to that they've been heard.
01:13:43.000But you don't need to look any farther than the CBP One app that our own Department of Homeland Security developed to ensure that there was an orderly and appropriate passageway for people into our country without too much paperwork.
01:13:56.000And it was immediately hacked by the cartels and totally utilized by the cartels to move their own people into the country.
01:14:03.000So we literally built an app for the cartels so that there wouldn't be too much, you know, bureaucratic challenge for them.
01:14:12.000How long was it hacked before they realized it had been hacked?
01:14:15.000Oh, I mean, it was within a matter of weeks.
01:14:18.000And they were just being used to, like, organize... Yeah, well, the cartel would wall off any claims that weren't the claims into the system that they had managed, controlled, and monetized.
01:14:31.000I know there's a lot of Cubans and Venezuelans who escaped communism and they come to Florida, and we also know that Florida has a huge swing towards Republicans in the past election cycle.
01:14:41.000I'm curious, what's it like on the ground for regular people?
01:14:43.000How do they feel about the illegal immigration?
01:14:45.000Well, it turns out in Florida we actually have enough people coming to our state just from other states within the United States.
01:14:51.000You know, we've got the migrants from Illinois and New York and California.
01:14:59.000There is a new law that Governor DeSantis and our legislature put into effect that creates consequences for people and that ensures that people are held until the ICE detainers are executed on and it's not just going to be released into our community.
01:15:14.000And we've actually had a lot of successful self-deportation in recent months in Florida, where people who are there illegally are getting up and leaving.
01:15:22.000I know that because I've had construction companies and lawn care companies call me and say, well what the heck, this new law in our state is causing all my workers to leave.
01:15:33.000And there will be some short-term pain when we ultimately reshape our economy around the American experience, not just exploiting people who come here that you can pay under the table.
01:15:45.000It's the figurative economic drugs of they want cheap labor to come in, but then they create industry that becomes dependent upon it, and then you become the bad guy for trying to solve the problem.
01:15:57.000You say, we gotta deal with illegal immigration, and all of a sudden, oh no, I'm losing my cheap, under-the-table workers.
01:16:03.000I don't remember, I mean, there's kids in cages now, but I don't recall AOC drifting in, crying, wearing white like a bartending specter, crying about keeping kids in cages in the last couple years.
01:16:17.000Well, no, it's called, because when it was Donald Trump, we had cages.
01:16:23.000For these children, and children are put in cages.
01:16:25.000But as soon as Biden came in, we replaced the cages in name, and now we call them safety facilities.
01:16:43.000And by the way, one of the games I now see the people on the left doing is that they go, Well, we send them into the interior of the country, but the majority of people come back for their court case.
01:16:55.000Now, by the way, technically that's true, but the reason why that's true is because they know you get two, right?
01:17:01.000The first one they come back for because they know they get an appeal.
01:17:04.000They never come back for the second one.
01:17:06.000They come back, but the left never mentions the second one.
01:17:09.000They only mention the first one statistically because they're right, because that's the argument now.
01:17:15.000They all come back for their court case.
01:17:20.000It's very dark in my mind when I think about excessive immigration and what it's done to countries in the past, what it's done to empires in the past, what it did to Rome.
01:17:28.000Are we all thinking about the Roman Empire?
01:17:29.000How it hyper-accelerated the fall of the empire.
01:17:47.000All those Nordic socialist economies, all the folks that were displaced from the wars in the Middle East ended up working their way kind of up through Europe and into those benefit structures.
01:17:57.000The funny thing about the Scandinavian countries is how Norway was a bit more based and Sweden was a bit more woke.
01:18:03.000Norway was like, we will absolutely release all the stats on crime, demographics, age, etc.
01:18:09.000Sweden was like, we're not gonna do that.
01:18:12.000So what would happen is people in Sweden would look at Norway, because it's extremely comparable, and be like, yeah, we know our government's lying to us.
01:18:19.000In Denmark, when you're trying to get on the train to Malmö, you gotta give your ID.
01:18:38.000I'm looking at the Lampedusa, that Italian island that's been overrun by Tunisian migrants, like 13,000 Tunisians just around this island of 6,000 people or something.
01:18:47.000France has said yesterday they're not going to welcome the migrants that are in Lampedusa.
01:18:51.000Poland accused the EU of encouraging human trafficking for allowing this to happen.
01:20:55.000It was 2,000 euros, if you're a migrant, to get a seat on this thing.
01:21:01.000I don't even know where they're coming from.
01:21:03.000I'll tell you, I interviewed, I've interviewed two brothers, who, uh, one brother left before the war got really bad and went to Romania and got, uh, I don't know if he got citizenship, he got, like, uh, he got, uh, um, refugee status.
01:21:15.000So it allowed him to travel through the Schengen zone, allowed him to work, and he was living a good life doing, uh, computer graphic design stuff.
01:21:20.000His brother stayed behind, then eventually, Europe closes its, closes off saying, like, no, we can't take anymore refugees, so he tries to get on a raft from Izmir to Lesvos, and...
01:21:31.000He's a young man who has money and works.
01:21:58.000And the way ErdoÄŸan has used this to leverage the West and the EU has been pretty masterful, right?
01:22:05.000Whenever he seeks some concession, he threatens to have some massive release out of Turkey, and whenever he gets what he wants, he'll sort of constrain those releases, and so it's become a geopolitical tool.
01:22:32.000That's why every person has pretty much come to the United States over the last 50 years, and we used to call those people illegal aliens, and now we call them economic refugees.
01:23:31.000Intelligence official, quote, Russia has already won.
01:23:35.000White House media are lying about Ukraine.
01:23:38.000The explosive claim was made in the latest bombshell report published on September 21st by Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, who spoke with an official who has access to current intelligence about the conflict.
01:23:50.000The war is over, Hersh has won, I read that quote already.
01:23:52.000According to Hersh's report, the war is continuing because Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky insists that it must.
01:23:57.000Currently, there is no discussion at Zelensky's headquarters or at the White House about a ceasefire and no interest in discussions that could lead to an end to the conflict.
01:24:04.000So I suppose we could just say right now, Seymour Hersh is wrong and his source is bad.
01:24:08.000But I'm curious what you guys think about what's currently going on and where we are with Ukraine, and you were going to make a point before I interrupted you about the war in Ukraine.
01:24:17.000So, yeah, the reason why, I'll get to Seymour Hersh in a second, but the reason why he's using the language of climate change, and the reason why they now have a trans person as a military spokesperson, That's going well for him.
01:25:36.000These are all signals for that that explicit purpose I'm not going to get into like who's winning or losing the
01:25:40.000war because i'm on the armed services committee and don't want to reflect
01:25:43.000On anything classified, but I I think we can look at afghanistan And we can look at what's going on here and say what a lot
01:25:49.000of these defense contractors are pushing toward Is how to have an extended kind of low yield war?
01:25:55.000Like, if there's a way to stretch this thing out, turn it into a 20-30 year kind of thing, where there's a whole lot of money moving around, and unaccountable pots, and a lot of weapons getting bought, and then, oh man, the stockpiles.
01:26:07.000Well, we gotta spend more money to reload those.
01:26:10.000I think that the reason we are as involved in Ukraine as we are is because Afghanistan wound down.
01:26:16.000And if we still had Afghanistan to launder money through, there probably wouldn't be the need for this type of excessive involvement in Ukraine.
01:26:23.000Dude, I would love to alter our weapons program to create just a drone defense program where we go up into space in low orbit and we just build billions of drones that we blow up and we give the defense companies all this money, even more money than they're making now, to blow up machines instead of humans.
01:26:58.000Well, the idea that we would just give money to the Military-Industrial Complex to appease them, to abate them, because they do bad things.
01:27:03.000It's kind of like it's a parasite in my brain and I don't know how to get rid of it without killing myself, so I don't want to kill myself.
01:27:08.000And I admit that military is a big part of the ethos of the United States.
01:28:06.000I look at this report, it's funny that TimCast just published this, I believe Adrian Norman was reporting on it, because I said this a little while ago, and we were talking downstairs before the show, I was talking to Ami, and I said, so we have this map from the BBC, and you can look at February 22, 2022, You've got separatist-backed Donbass, and then you have Crimea under Russian control, and then by June 2023, Russia controls the entire land bridge into Crimea, and...
01:28:35.000So they won, they seized the territory they wanted to gain control and more access to their warm water port in the Black Sea and their access to the Mediterranean.
01:28:43.000So first of all, Seymour Hersh is not a credible source, right?
01:28:46.000I mean, something says he's credible, but you don't buy the Bin Laden-Seymour Hersh story?
01:28:52.000So I could say the New York Times, insert all the wrong things, everything that was wrong about all the military stuff, but I agree with you, we don't have to just blindly agree this story is true.
01:29:02.000So I only look at this through the prism of what's good for the United States, ultimately, right?
01:29:10.000It is in our national interest to continue to degrade the Russian military.
01:29:14.000Taking Russia off the geopolitical board, which is what we are in the process of doing, and taking them off that board for 25 or 30 years, is in our national interest.
01:29:24.000To destroy them economically by losing their entire European access to the gas market is in our economic interest.
01:29:31.000And even more than that, what's really our interest?
01:29:34.000Taking Taiwan off the table in terms of a Chinese invasion.
01:29:38.000And I'm telling you, this is what we've done.
01:29:40.000China has looked at Ukraine, understanding it is not in the U.S.
01:29:44.000national interest anywhere close to what Taiwan is.
01:30:58.000By the way, I care way more about the essential elements and the rare earth elements that drive the entire global economy that exists in Africa than I care about some oil rigs in the Donbass region.
01:31:07.000You know the rare earth elements aren't rare.
01:31:31.000Now we've extended the security guarantee to two more countries.
01:31:34.000Two more very stable countries who, by the way, are in absolute interest to defend.
01:31:39.000By the way, I am not for Ukraine being part of NATO.
01:31:41.000I'm not for Ukraine being part of the EU for those reasons.
01:31:43.000I'm not looking to have, I do not want to have any, I don't want a US troop in Ukraine and I wouldn't support anything that would contractually obligate us to do that.
01:31:51.000But for Sweden and Norway, to have them coming to NATO is a huge win for us.
01:31:56.000Because there are two more countries that now are protectorates of the United States?
01:32:01.000There are two more people that have armies that can support us?
01:32:04.000Well, let's see when they actually meet the requirements on their military spending, and... And by the way, this has also helped put... Look, again, I agree completely.
01:32:14.000I think it is an embarrassment that they haven't, and I'm glad... And by the way, they increased their spending because of Trump.
01:32:22.000Trump pushed them to increase their spending because he said, we'll pull out, and they said, whoa.
01:32:26.000But by the way, they have spent more money on Ukraine than we have.
01:32:51.000Yeah, I mean, you know, seems like a lot to me.
01:32:53.000I also want to address the Taiwan argument because I think the major geopolitical objective we ought to have is to stop a fusion of China and Russia.
01:33:02.000The Sino-Russian alliance poses a greater threat to us than almost anything.
01:33:07.000Through our involvement in this war, we have driven Russia into the arms of China.
01:33:11.000You look at a lot of the farmland in Eastern Russia.
01:33:13.000It is getting bought, literally bought, by the Chinese.
01:33:16.000You're seeing a leveraged buyout of Russia through China that is making them stronger.
01:33:21.000And I don't think that Xi views Donbass and Ukraine as in any way comparable tactically to the home game that they get to play in Taiwan.
01:33:31.000I mean, it's not a surprise to anyone that when we war game out a Taiwan conflict, China wins every time.
01:33:37.000Because our F-35s don't get into the fight, our littoral combat ship gets blown up before they even get there, and we run out of torpedoes.
01:33:45.000That's what happens in every war game.
01:33:47.000And I don't know that that type of a maritime amphibious assault is comparable to Putin running some broken tanks into Ukraine.
01:33:56.000And when it comes to degrading the Russian military, I worry more about Russia's nuclear weapons than I worry about what tanks and armored divisions they have rolling around the plains of Europe.
01:34:09.000I don't think my constituents are fundamentally impacted based on which guy in a tracksuit is in charge of Crimea.
01:34:15.000I do think they're impacted if we are, like, poking the nuclear bear.
01:34:20.000And I do believe that it is well within the capabilities of Putin to use nuclear weapons.
01:34:26.000I am not saying MIRVs or, you know, the Satan 2 missile, they call it.
01:34:30.000I'm talking about, you know, 100 kiloton nuclear artillery, things like that, being launched into battlefield areas.
01:34:37.000Bill, why do you take the MIRVing armaments off the table so quickly?
01:34:52.000But, uh, honestly, there's a good argument to be made that it is more reasonable that Ukraine would false flag a nuclear strike to blame Russia, but there's also very good reasons for Russia, if they want to expand their territory beyond just the land bridge.
01:35:05.000Why would Russia use- No, no, you think- I mean, look, I'm not- I don't know- I'm not in the mind of the Ukrainians- Oh, I'll give you- it's really simple.
01:35:12.000If you're Ukrainian, if you're Zelensky, do you want to lose the war?
01:35:20.000Well, as you already pointed out, you're actively trying to convince Americans to keep footing the bill, and you know Republicans are off the table, so you're playing the Democrat game.
01:35:31.000You know that the American population and the way the MAGA base operates, that you're not going to be pandering to them, although they probably should be.
01:35:40.000So, let's think about what it means to actually win a war.
01:35:43.000Does it make sense if you are, say, like a warring- there's feudal lords warring in Japan, and they're like, you know, I gotta take out my rival, let's walk to his front gates and then fight his guards.
01:35:54.000Or does it make more sense to have a ninja dressed like a maiden, or a servant, go in in the middle of the night, take out the emperor, and then flee by running out the back door?
01:36:01.000These are the tactics of actual war, guerrilla tactics.
01:36:03.000It's impractical to think that the only thing any military is gonna do is march down the field and then point weapons at each other.
01:36:11.000If you wanna win and you want support, False flags are tried-and-true methods used by governments throughout history.
01:36:17.000Take the Gulf of Tonkin, for instance.
01:36:19.000needs public support to enter the Vietnam War, so, oh no, we're under attack, our ship's been attacked.
01:36:24.000There's absolutely brilliant reasons for Zelensky to false flag a nuclear strike, a small tactical artillery strike, maybe it's a lower-yield nuclear bomb, and then say, our tests indicate it was a nuclear strike, and they can make it seem reasonable.
01:36:40.000But there is a reason why he wouldn't do it.
01:36:42.000And the reason why he wouldn't do it is because he would lose all support.
01:36:45.000That's not true, there was a missile hit, what was that, shopping district that got hit?
01:36:49.000And they said it was Russia, turns out it was a straight Ukrainian missile.
01:36:53.000Right, my point is... Well, blaming it on Russia was on purpose when it was there.
01:36:57.000Look, I'm sure at the time they thought it was Russia.
01:37:00.000But you're making an assumption it wasn't on purpose.
01:37:02.000Everything I'm talking about is an assumption.
01:37:03.000Exactly, so what we can say right now is that a Ukrainian missile hit Ukrainian civilians and they blamed Russia for it.
01:37:09.000We don't know that it was a false flag.
01:37:11.000The presumption is it was an accident.
01:37:13.000But we don't need to make any assumptions about it at all.
01:37:15.000All we know is when a Ukrainian missile hit Ukrainians, they blamed Russia for it.
01:37:19.000Look, there's a massive degree of difference between a missile that went air... You're assuming that.
01:37:25.000No, no, there is a massive difference between an air and nuclear missile, an air missile and a nuclear missile.
01:37:30.000And you have to make the assumption because you're wishing for goodwill, you have an optimism bias.
01:37:35.000And the normalcy and optimism bias says the accident has to be the case because nobody wants to accept the scenario that Ukraine bombed their own citizens to justify ongoing engagement with Russia.
01:37:48.000But they did blame Russia for what was clearly their mistake.
01:39:33.000And they saw what we did for Ukraine, what us and the Europeans did for Ukraine, with a much lower strategic threshold than Taiwan.
01:39:42.000They understand this is not something we can F with.
01:39:45.000Yeah, but they aren't Russia, and the Taiwan scenario does not present the same opportunities that the Donbass conflict does, because you can move weapons through Poland, you've got all this different geography.
01:39:59.000Whereas Taiwan, how do you get into that fight, is a real question.
01:42:21.000War is war and war doesn't stop because it's like, hey, everyone, we're going to call it right here.
01:42:24.000We shouldn't have technically even occupied or annexed Hawaii.
01:42:29.000Yeah, I think a lot of the crazy, aggressive conquest that we're seeing as a result of the United States taking Libya and Iraq, personally.
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01:43:05.000Sorry we didn't get to Super Chats earlier, but I want to be clear.
01:43:07.000I'm not sure, Matt, are you able to stick around for the members?
01:43:10.000I've got to travel all the way back to Washington to get this budget sorted out.
01:43:50.000Well, I have no interest in being House Speaker.
01:43:51.000scrams more. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Mr. Gates, excellent speech. One year after McCarthy played you all to
01:43:57.000get himself the speaker seat, he proved himself untrustworthy.
01:44:00.000Will you please kick McCarthy to the curb and take over House Speaker?
01:44:03.000Well, I have no interest in being House Speaker. I also would never be elected because I don't have the requisite
01:44:10.000followers at all. But I could tell you that McCarthy must either come into compliance with the deal he made in
01:44:18.000January, He must do so very quickly or there will be a motion to vacate and a lot of that is spending and some of it is like I want to vote on federal term limits.
01:44:26.000I want to vote on a federal balanced budget, even though I know that those things are going to fail and then he promised to release the January 6 tapes and has not done that and I want to see that occurs.
01:44:35.000Why the resolution that was found in the bathroom?
01:44:41.000I'll try to be more careful in the future.
01:44:52.000I'm so sorry you can't buy into my temporary lack of fun.
01:44:57.000The journalist finds the resolution to boot McCarthy, and we all smiled that day.
01:45:02.000As for why Kevin hasn't released the tapes, the J6 tapes, is that just because people behind the scenes have been like, hey Kevin, you better not do it, or is it just his purview, or what?
01:45:10.000Well, I think he believes he fulfilled that commitment by allowing Tucker Carlson and a few other journalists access to a terminal to make a few clips and leave, but that's a very different promise than the one that he made, and we want to draw him into compliance.
01:45:24.000And then, what's a vote to kick him out look like?
01:45:28.000I mean, if we had about, you know, 20, 30, however many Republicans that thought he should go, then his fate would hang in the hands of the Democrats.
01:45:36.000And if I filed a motion to vacate, it would immediately be subject to a motion to table my motion, and Democrats could all choose to vote present on that, and then McCarthy would prevail, the motion to vacate would be tabled, and he would be working for the Democrats at their whim and at their will.
01:45:53.000Do you think we should have him on the show?
01:45:54.000Do you think he'd be interested in coming on?
01:45:56.000I think you should absolutely invite him.
01:46:20.000Those are actually two entities that are in DHS, and I'm for those, actually, and I don't want our Border Patrol to not be funded.
01:46:27.000Now, the reason I want a single subject review of the DHS bill is that you can go in there and excise the entities like CISA and others that are involved in the censorship industrial complex.
01:46:40.000Adrian Horta-Martinez says, Tim, my pocket will allow another super chat.
01:47:29.000It's a virtue signal to try to pacify a lot of these liberal politicians that are now enduring the consequences of becoming a sanctuary.
01:47:39.000I think a week, a day of crisis is like a week of peaceful living or months of peaceful living.
01:47:44.000What you go through when you're in a crisis in one day is like people if they're not there and they don't aren't thinking about it then it's like oh well in three days we'll get the bill passed and then maybe next week we'll census.
01:47:53.000The people on the ground are like, it's like telling someone who's in a burning building, let me get a resolution passed, send the fire department down.
01:47:59.000And they're like, no, just send the fire department down.
01:48:01.000You're like, well, we got to have a bill, we'll discuss it and maybe it won't get out.
01:48:17.000Or they'll write some new memo clarifying or interpreting and then that will have the force of law.
01:48:22.000So it is necessary but not sufficient to ensure that you have the right statutes in place.
01:48:28.000But right now it's a matter of willpower and this administration wants to will these people into the country and they don't want any barrier.
01:48:34.000That one gamer says someone should propose a bill that is ban the ATF and turn the buildings into liquor stores.
01:48:47.000I think there's no function of the ATF that cannot be done by the federal marshals or, frankly, a lot of state law enforcement.
01:48:53.000And you want to talk about some of the most vicious and cruel enforcement done by an agency that cannot even fulfill its own basic mission?
01:49:01.000I mean, the ATF had their own gun locker robbed.
01:49:07.000And they had a circumstance where they were keeping over a quarter of a million records illegally that they were maintaining in a database.
01:49:14.000So it's not a well-run agency and should be subject to some of the, I think, strictest review.
01:49:38.000Yeah, it's come back and now they're excited for Brandon.
01:49:41.000He's the AK guy, and he's running against a Republican who voted for red flag laws.
01:49:47.000And if you want to talk about one of the most insidious features of what Republicans have allowed, it's this kind of tattle-on-your-neighbor red flag law structure.
01:52:00.000And the hope is that we can get a subpoena to get some of these witnesses in to give them immunity.
01:52:06.000Because right now you've got a lot of folks with information.
01:52:10.000They want to come forward, but they're deeply concerned that if they provide it, that they could be subjected to different types of retaliation.
01:52:17.000And so, if you get people kind of a friendly subpoena, it can immunize them to come forward.
01:52:23.000I think it's likely just black operations military.
01:52:25.000I mean, I would say that, but I have been on the committee that oversees DARPA for seven years.
01:52:31.000I have a pretty clear understanding of the stuff we're doing and the stuff we're not.
01:52:40.000I don't know if the Chinese have developed a new technology that they're utilizing out of Cuba that ended up over the Gulf that we were not aware of.
01:52:48.000I don't know if we've got some programs that maybe are not, you know, fully briefed to Congress.
01:52:56.000It's when they take lasers and they triangulate into a point in the sky where they hit all these lasers and once they create a ball of plasma that they can move around on radar, looks like a craft, and they can project sound through it.
01:53:07.000Yeah, but dude, it's shutting down radar and other electronic systems.
01:53:10.000Yeah, when you would get close to it, it could warp your radar.
01:53:11.000This thing was metallic and also where I saw the heat signatures did not make a lot of sense from a propulsion standpoint.
01:53:32.000Make sure you guys go deep on talking plasma, because if there's a false flag alien invasion, they'll use that stuff to trick people into hearing things.
01:53:39.000You're basically just making reference to Project Bluebeam.
01:55:01.000If you take several different lasers, where they intersect, the point will be visible in three-dimensional space, and you just move the lasers around.
01:55:08.000They do this in Vegas, when you go watch light shows.
01:55:10.000The guy will have the laser in his hand, and he's spinning it.
01:55:12.000It looks like he's flipping a laser around.
01:55:14.000If you could pulse it off and on fast enough, in different locations, you could make it look like it's moving.
01:55:19.000No, you could literally just move the lasers.
01:55:22.000Yeah, but if you could make it disappear and reappear really quick, too, it'll give the illusion of movement.
01:55:27.000But it could give really weird effects.
01:55:28.000I still just think that the Occam's razor simple solution is the Manhattan Project was a secret, you know, project.
01:55:37.000What we're likely experiencing is black operations or private sector military technology and I'm willing to believe they don't brief Congress on these things.
01:55:47.000You get the surface level stuff and then... Eh, Matt wouldn't know about it.
01:55:53.000Well, even if I didn't know about it, when I saw the image and then ran it through the catalogue of the stuff we do and it didn't match anything... Right.
01:56:01.000You know, I wonder what kind of metamaterials they're working on.
01:56:02.000Cermat, lightweight drone craft that can go underwater and out into deep space in one jaunt?
01:56:08.000It's, you know, we are absolutely moving to the time where the wars are going to be fought by our space robots against their space robots, all kind of directed by AI.
01:56:17.000And once you can kind of overlay that with quantum...
01:56:22.000You know, you're able to get a lot more output out of that.
01:56:25.000Yeah, I want to take a bunch of drones as military industrial complex future 2.0, where we build billion drones, we onboard AI on all these drones, we let them fly around our pilots and target us as if they're shooting, but they just have AI on there.
01:56:37.000And then after we get done with the sortie battle, we can look at the AI will tell us how we could have done it better.
01:56:42.000And it can train us how to fight drone swarms.
01:56:45.000The problem is, on some of the tests that we do, they don't always listen.
01:56:51.000You know, you give it an objective where certain targets are worth certain points.
01:56:54.000We had a matter where the Air Force sent out some drones, and there was a malfunction, so the test wasn't going to work, so it recalled all the drones, and not all of them came back, because they said, no, I have to go earn these points.
01:58:42.000If your position is, yeah, let's get funding for disabled veterans and everything they need, we'll get the single subject bill right now done today.
01:58:50.000If it is the rest of Congress that rejects that because they want the omnibus, they're the ones blocking the single bill that gets the person with the And the good news is, the first single subject bill that we did pass was military construction and VA benefits.
01:59:02.000So if we were to go into a shutdown on October 1st, there is a device for the Senate to pick up, and even if the Senate didn't have all of our views on how VA ought to be administered, we could go and conference and negotiate that issue.
01:59:13.000Unfortunately, Chuck Schumer's mentality is, it's all or nothing on everything, because that's what centralizes power most.
01:59:19.000What's the point of getting power and leadership positions if you can't use them to centralize power, help your friends, and hurt your enemies?
01:59:25.000Webber J says, how does China buying land in other countries work?
01:59:28.000In war, they can say, no, no, our land can't plant here.
01:59:31.000Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't get how that works.
01:59:55.000You just can participate in a leasehold interest.
01:59:58.000So you start telling people with that kind of liquidity that stuff can be yours forever, and they have become major real estate investors.
02:00:05.000Now, I don't think you should be able to pollute the skies in Shanghai and then buy the penthouses in Manhattan.
02:00:11.000I don't think we should allow the ill-gotten gains through devaluation of currency, through terrible environmental practices, to result in literally getting the great American asset class.
02:00:22.000Even more insidious than that is they loan money to these countries, and they say at massive interest rates, knowing they're going to default, and part of the contract is if you default on this airport you're building, we're going to own the airport and the land around it.
02:00:36.000And by the way, if they show up with suitcases full of cash and hookers on the front end, those bribes work, and a lot of these leaders are leaving.
02:00:47.000So that's how the Great Power Competition is working.
02:00:49.000Russia's value proposition is regime preservation.
02:00:52.000They say, if you're in trouble, Maduro or Assad, we can bring muscle and keep you in power.
02:00:57.000The Chinese say, we'll give you upfront cash now to be able to gore you later, and what we say is, we'd like to know more about your Pride Month policy.
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02:01:39.000Matt, do you want to shout anything out?
02:01:42.000There's something about the Timcast audience, man.
02:01:45.000The Fox News audience, when they see me, it's just unadulterated exuberance.
02:01:49.000The Newsmax audience, they think you're part of a special club because they've seen you on Newsmax.
02:01:55.000The War Room Bannon audience, they just want to kind of pound their chest and growl at you.
02:01:59.000But the Timcast audience, whenever they see me, it can be an airport, a gas station, they want to sit down and talk to you for at least half an hour about what is on their mind at that precise moment and your deepest thoughts about it.
02:02:11.000Brother, you have really developed a trust with an audience that cuts across every age group, every ethnic group, every class, and it is a really cool thing to be a part of.
02:02:22.000A lot of them are smarter than all the people here in this room, and often we'll say something and they correct us in the chat.
02:02:27.000And then we'll be like, oh, look at that.