In this episode of the Culture War with Tim Pool podcast, we talk about the dust storm that's hitting West Virginia and Maryland after the derailment in East Palestine, West Virginia. Plus, Project Veritas has seen another top-level resignation from one of their staff members, and they need your support to get James O'Keefe back. And then we'll talk about some culture stuff, because we've got a funny story about Angela Davis.
00:00:56.000And this is exactly what we had been talking about a week or two ago.
00:01:00.000And now, sure enough, what a coincidence, something is happening.
00:01:03.000I gotta say, the idea that it's a dust storm would be the perfect coincidence considering we were just talking about, one, vehicles that were being covered in a white substance or residue near East Palestine.
00:01:13.000Now we're seeing that white substance residue or a similar one in this area downwind from the disaster.
00:01:19.000And then they're like, oh, but there's also a dust storm.
00:01:20.000And I'm like, well, that's the perfect time for a dust storm to happen when we're concerned about exactly this.
00:01:27.000Project Veritas has seen another, I think, top-level resignation from one of their staff members, and they've put out a video begging people.
00:01:35.000Please, we need your support, and they want James O'Keefe back.
00:01:38.000And then we'll talk about some culture stuff, because we've got a funny story.
00:04:16.000Yeah, so the book is really about a couple things.
00:04:19.000You know, only 7% of our nation serves right now and they're veterans, so 93% of our population doesn't serve, which is a good problem to have.
00:04:28.000Like, we're not an armed society, right?
00:04:32.000What I found though, when I was in government, I was an Army Green Beret for years, then I was in government, in the Pentagon, I found there seems to be a misunderstanding between those that serve and those they serve on both sides.
00:04:45.000So I try to like, in an engaging kind of fashion, not one of these You know those boring DC memoirs that are like this big, like door stops and you just name check yourself and you're like, I'm not reading this.
00:04:58.000I wanted to keep this entertaining and engaging.
00:05:02.000So that's kind of the theme of the book, but it's about accountability because I'm still just angry that we can lose a war and nobody's held accountable.
00:05:10.000People get promoted and they move up in the in the ranks or they get these big jobs. So I'm kind of
00:07:00.000Now, Raw's Alert says, we think this is from yesterday's dust storm that was in parts of New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, as weather satellite shows large plumes of dust blowing across the states and making its way to the east coast.
00:07:24.000Coordinating with state and local agencies to investigate dust issue in the Eastern Panhandle.
00:07:28.000They received reports late Thursday night about the dust and mobilized inspectors.
00:07:32.000No shelter-in-place advisories have been issued in the area.
00:07:35.000They say that we have staff on site who are coordinating with our state and local partners to identify the material or any potential causes.
00:07:44.000So a heck of a convenient time for a dust storm to hit when last week we're like, hey, we're really worried being downwind from East Palestine when they're burning all these chemicals.
00:07:56.000There's videos coming out of Ohio showing cars blanketed with some kind of white residue.
00:08:00.000And now we're hearing in the area downwind from East Palestine, cars are being blanketed in white residue.
00:08:49.000And it's a heck of a bad timing for a dust storm to happen when we're concerned about these chemicals.
00:08:55.000I would, I imagine that it might have something to do with the weather, and the only reason that I feel that way, honestly, is because yesterday was almost 80 degrees, it was super windy, so the weather's been a little wacky around here, so I think that that might have something to do with it.
00:09:10.000I really don't think that, that's what I would put my money on.
00:09:15.00078 or something, it's going down to 30 tonight.
00:09:17.000Yeah, so the weather's been kind of wacky, there was a lot of wind today, so I think that that's probably, Like, not trying to, you know, be the wet blanket, but I really think that it's most likely something benign.
00:09:28.000I don't think I've ever seen a dust storm before.
00:09:29.000I've never been in a... The Dust Bowl, the first part of the 20th century, there was dust from Iowa making its way all the way to D.C.
00:10:16.000That's how the desert in Maine was formed, similar to why the Dust Bowl was a problem, just over-farming.
00:10:22.000Yeah, no crop rotation, they weren't maintaining topsoil and stuff like that.
00:10:26.000So, even if it is a dust storm, of dust blowing from the south, it doesn't mean that it can't pick up vinyl chloride residue and particles in the atmosphere on the way.
00:11:50.000Look, man, I've been... Maybe it's a little too paranoid for Ian, but if a cyber attack was hitting our infrastructure, we and the public would not know about it.
00:11:59.000The government's not gonna come out and be like, oh, you know that explosion that happened at that oil refinery?
00:12:20.000If they could keep the cat in the bag, you know, nowadays with independent media and everything, somebody gets a quick little clip of that on their iPhone, shoots it up to Twitter, shoots it up to TikTok or something, it goes viral.
00:12:31.000Yeah, people's access to phones and everything.
00:12:36.000It's so hard, and you guys do this every day, to break through the chaos of the media environment.
00:12:43.000Do you think you could break through with a video of something from K-12 or Y-12 at Oak Ridge?
00:12:49.000So if I was able to post it on TimCast News on Twitter, then definitely.
00:12:52.000But maybe you could tell us a little bit more about, like, I don't know, the nation's ability to, like, censor us online.
00:12:59.000Because if something like that did happen, I'd imagine that, you know, they'd try to suspend free speech or try to keep it on raps, not let reporters report on whatever attack was going on.
00:13:07.000If they were trying to keep it, you know, still a secret.
00:14:01.000And then there's like a dog on a roof.
00:14:04.000And then you've got like Kamala Harris at the podium or whatever.
00:14:07.000And then you've got Pete Buttigieg in East Palestine.
00:14:09.000I don't know, there are ashes here, there are ashes in Pennsylvania, there's even ashes in East Palestine, or maybe that's just peace-booted judges' presidential ambitions going up in flames.
00:14:21.000I was going to go with Ash Wednesday too, but that would be a really bad pun.
00:14:25.000I would say that would be too mean, but Matt Walsh has convinced me otherwise.
00:14:45.000You can't just be passive and say, slow down there, Democrats.
00:14:49.000You've got to actually be like, no, stop.
00:14:52.000And we should shame people doing bad things like degenerate behavior that harms children should be shamed and ostracized and shunned from society.
00:15:11.000He's just like, he has this look like, Ian, you're insane.
00:15:13.000In that sense, be mean if you're going to bring, if you're going to ground people in reality.
00:15:17.000But if you're attempting to make their life worse with your behavior than that, I think I have no... Ian, you can't go and just say, let's change what the word means.
00:15:31.000I felt the pull you felt right, you feel right now, but I gotta go with Ian on this one, because he's basically giving a golden ticket for everybody to be mean to bad people.
00:15:43.000I will tell you directly to your face what I think.
00:15:45.000What he's saying is, if there's someone who's a really bad person who's harming kids, and you are mean to them, you're actually pulling them back down to the average by doing so, and I'll take it.
00:15:55.000Look, woodchipper goes burr when it comes to pedos, but when it comes to actually changing the meaning of words... There you are with that meaning.
00:16:20.000I'm sitting here you know being like all these people are talking to Matt Walsh saying you shouldn't be mean to people and blah blah blah and Matt's like no there's no limits like we can't let these people do these bad things and he's giving you a straight justification for his action and then Ian gives this circuitous semantic definition of well actually mean just reply signifies the average in which case when you're mean to someone you're just making them average and it's like okay however you want to Literally causing me physical pain with that.
00:16:50.000However you want to justify calling someone a creepy degenerate, I will accept.
00:16:57.000What Matt Walsh is talking about is be as cruel as you can.
00:18:01.000I think this is another good analogy for what's happening in the culture war, what's happening with society, is you've got people who are gluttonous on social media, in a social sense, in that they will do weird things, get a positive response, and then say, I will keep doing this, because no one is giving them a negative response.
00:18:19.000You need to tell people who are doing bad things what you're doing is bad.
00:18:23.000And you can do it in a bunch of different ways.
00:18:26.000You know, calling someone creepy and degenerate is not the worst possible thing in the world for a person, and it may make them rethink targeting children and causing harm to other people.
00:18:34.000And then sometimes the ends justify the means and in the case of Matt Walsh it goes bigger than just that video he released because in Tennessee he also held a ban on trans rallies or I'm getting that butchered but butchered but he in Tennessee they actually also managed to pass something in their state legislature banning gender transition for people I think around 14 or 15 you need a fact check me on that but you know he's actually accomplishing things and I think it's like called culture jamming So, Matt Walsh is doing a good job drawing attention to this, even if he's being a little bit mean.
00:19:07.000You know, he's actually getting things done in Tennessee.
00:20:01.000I mean, call it accountability, call it whatever you want, the math is simple.
00:20:06.000If someone goes on Instagram and throws a pie at a stranger, and Instagram gives him money, and all the users say, hey, that was really funny, you're amazing, he's gonna go, wow, people really like when I do this, they're gonna keep doing it.
00:20:18.000We saw this with prank videos on YouTube.
00:20:20.000There were videos that were getting increasingly dangerous and insane.
00:20:25.000It starts with one guy being like, I'm gonna do a prank, and he goes, bah!
00:20:27.000You know, he like jumps out from behind a building, whoa!
00:20:29.000And then they're like, ah, you scared me, you silly goose!
00:20:33.000Three months later, the dude's wearing a Freddy Krueger mask and drawing a knife and swinging it at people.
00:20:39.000I'm exaggerating, but you actually had a trend on YouTube where people would walk into black neighborhoods and throw racial slurs at black people because it got traffic on YouTube.
00:20:49.000There was no negative reaction to the things they were doing.
00:20:53.000Finally, YouTube was like, we're going to start banning content that does this and apply a negative pressure.
00:20:59.000That's, I don't necessarily agree, I actually kind of agree to a certain extent with this.
00:21:04.000If people were doing things that were like expressing an opinion or being silenced for it, it's one thing.
00:21:08.000If you're literally trying to cause fights, and that's what they were doing, they would walk up to some minority, Say a slur to them, and then get beaten up.
00:21:17.000And they were getting millions of views on this stuff.
00:21:21.000It's like, I got my limits on, you know, what should be promoted and be given a positive response to.
00:21:28.000What ends up happening is, there needs to be, it used to be journalists, they'd be like, hey, this is a bad thing and we're gonna show you, and then everyone would be like, shun the bad person, shun them.
00:21:37.000Now we're in this era of total acceptance.
00:21:40.000So people go on Instagram, people go on Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, and they'll do something genuinely bad and harmful, but now they're getting protected by big tech.
00:21:49.000They're going on and telling children to harm themselves, and they're getting protected.
00:21:53.000And then Matt Walsh comes out and says, you are eerie, you are creepy, no one will find you attractive.
00:21:59.000And he didn't say it screaming, he wasn't spitting, he's very calmly saying, this is the reality, this is the truth.
00:22:05.000You need to have that so that the people who are doing the bad things say, you know what, maybe I shouldn't do this.
00:22:14.000Dylan Mulvaney has videos where he's giving tampons.
00:22:18.000He's talking about taking tampons and using them and other things like this.
00:22:21.000Dylan Mulvaney did not care that people on the right were critical of it.
00:22:26.000It was only when leftists got critical and said, what you are doing is creepy, did Dylan Mulvaney come out and be like, I'm sorry, I was just trying to help.
00:22:33.000The negative reaction worked in stopping a person from doing a bad thing that hurt people.
00:22:38.000So, you don't need to go and do anything crazy.
00:22:42.000You just need to say outright, like, I don't like you.
00:23:42.000A lot of people did not know what they're doing, and they're still doing, and they're expanding on.
00:23:47.000You know, one of the weirdest things about protecting, like, not letting people do harm to children, and they're like, you can't put kids on puberty blockers when they're 11, because that's going to hurt them in the long run.
00:23:56.000You can't cut children's penises off, because that's going to hurt them in the long run.
00:24:00.000But then I've heard from other people are like, if they don't get the chemical castration they need, Then they're going to kill themselves and you're doing harm to them.
00:24:08.000If they don't get their penis cut off, then you're doing harm to them because they don't feel right.
00:24:57.000So when they're targeting children and putting them in situations that could result in death and suicide and self-harm, they accuse everyone else of doing it.
00:25:05.000But you take a look at what's going on with detransitioners, and there's more and more every single day.
00:25:09.000I was talking with Ali London about how on Reddit there's 50,000 members of the detransition subreddit.
00:25:15.000Horror stories of saying, like, I was tricked into this, I was rushed into this.
00:25:18.000I think Chloe Cole is now suing Kaiser Permanente.
00:25:21.000Yeah, so when these people come out and say, no, we have to, otherwise the children will be harmed, it's like, I'm pretty sure amputating the genitals of a child will not save their life, but probably cause them to self-harm in the future.
00:25:33.000Chris, I know we're seeing a lot of this transgenderism and LGBTQ ideology infiltrate a lot of different parts of our government and society.
00:25:40.000I know you were a former Secretary of Defense.
00:26:29.000And I know you guys get a little down once in a while.
00:26:31.000Like, you know, this is ancient Rome or something.
00:26:35.000But I'll tell you what, the sergeants, the ones that are responsible for like four soldiers, sailors, airmen, marine, space force, guardians, they're focused on making sure their people are ready to go to war.
00:26:49.000I went down to a special forces group recently because I thought maybe I'm out of sorts.
00:26:56.000I've been out of the military for a few years.
00:26:58.000I went down there just to kind of do a temperature check, check on the sergeants that run the army, and I'm like, okay, they've still got the right focus.
00:27:07.000The problem, I think, is that they're confused because their leadership is getting involved in the culture wars.
00:27:13.000And they're like, if I get involved in the culture wars, I get fired.
00:27:18.000I think there's a confusion, there's a loss of confidence between those that are down there doing everyday work, leading soldiers, and their bosses who are saying, there's that saying, do as I say, not as I do.
00:27:51.000I'm worried about the fact that, yeah.
00:27:55.000Senior leadership's getting involved in things that they shouldn't get involved in.
00:27:58.000They need to focus on warfighting and combat effectiveness.
00:28:01.000I was thinking like if something were to happen, tragic, and the United States was sucked into a war for real, like the balloon floated over the United States for five days or whatever.
00:28:10.000That I would hope the military is ready to step in and take control if Biden can't do his job, which he seems like he's not able to do his job.
00:28:16.000I don't want to not have faith in the guy, but I don't have faith in him.
00:28:19.000You don't want the military to take over.
00:28:22.000I want, if there's a commander that is incapable of commanding, he needs to be relieved of duty.
00:28:28.000That's what we have the Vice President and the Speaker of the House for.
00:28:33.000There is a line of people that Assume a line of civilian office if the president can't do his job You do not want the military to assume power if when you can have when we have The whole Constitution has got like all this stuff handled
00:28:54.000In reality, if we were under threat of death, I don't want Joe Biden in control of the military or Kamala Harris.
00:28:59.000Chris, so I know that trans soldiers, they could currently openly serve right now in the army and the force will provide hormone therapy and mental health care.
00:29:08.000Do you think that's in within the purview of what they should be happening in the army?
00:29:15.000I'll tap dance on that one a little bit.
00:29:20.000And the last thing we ever want is a military officer to think, and that's part of my book, is that I'm concerned That the military, the senior officers are getting too big-headed about this and thinking like, yeah, if there's a problem, we'll step in.
00:29:38.000Because there were rumors about that, remember, with President Trump, that the senior military leadership was like, we think this guy's crazy.
00:29:45.000The third, on January 6th, the third in line to the office of the president asked the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, hey, can we just have the military room?
00:30:20.000Obviously we need civilian leadership because you don't want a junta taking control like a military government, but if you have incompetent leadership, do we just wait and hope that the next civilian is going to do it right?
00:30:44.000I just know that Joe Biden's not, in my opinion.
00:30:46.000Yes, fair, but that doesn't mean, like, that doesn't mean you throw the Constitution away, or you throw the, or just go ahead and throw all the laws away.
00:30:53.000Well, Joe Biden, you know, he's got tapioca for brains, so we got to go ahead and get a general to run the show?
00:31:50.000Chinese spy balloon comes over the U.S., potentially tracking data on our nuclear sites, potentially tracking data on the sensors that it's picking up what's coming at it.
00:32:00.000So the things that we're using to detect it, it is actually detecting.
00:32:04.000Let's say that's a precursor to a move on Taiwan.
00:32:08.000Let's say before the move on Taiwan, we've already seen China go into territorial waters around Alaska and Hawaii.
00:32:15.000Let's say they start positioning the military, strike on Taiwan, and then instantly we get a battalion of Chinese troops paradropping or crashing on the shores of Alaska or something.
00:32:26.000Do we just sit here and go, Biden's got it handled?
00:33:59.000Your last resort when you're in those positions, if your boss, in this case the president, says something wacky is you resign and you go public.
00:34:52.000So that's my concern, is we don't have that ethos now.
00:34:57.000That's essential to the officer corps.
00:34:59.000That's why I brought this whole conversation up, because, like, where's the leadership?
00:35:02.000But I can see, like, the end of the Roman Republic, Julius Caesar came with the military and took control of the military dictatorship empire.
00:36:19.000January 6th, there was this narrative.
00:36:22.000My issue is basically, we obviously don't like Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge, the Killing Fields, whatever.
00:36:30.000We see what happens when brutal, merciless dictatorships take over the Soviet Union.
00:36:34.000But I wonder if the reason there's such a negative view of things like the Roman Empire is because the people who were in those countries who wrote down the stories of what happened were the fat, gluttonous degenerates who were shocked to find that a country was actually trying to have some morals again.
00:36:50.000What I mean to say is, it's not black and white.
00:36:52.000There's certainly circumstances where we're like, okay, we got a problem with this dictatorship.
00:36:56.000And I'm sure there are circumstances where you get a more classically liberal but community-based, stern attitude of service guarantees citizenship.
00:37:04.000That is to say, a government that doesn't come to you and lock you in a gulag and mercilessly beat you, a government that comes and says, I'm sorry, we're not going to pay your healthcare because you're a glutton and you're eating too much food, you need to stop.
00:37:16.000Well, the gluttons, the degenerates, are going to freak out.
00:37:18.000They're going to write every story in the world about how the fascists are taking over and we're watching this happen.
00:37:22.000So if I saw something That was like, service guarantees citizenship.
00:37:27.000If you wanna vote, you have to provide some kind of community service.
00:37:30.000Not military, maybe it's picking up trash.
00:37:33.000The left is gonna scream, fascism, fascism!
00:37:35.000And I'm kinda like, doesn't that just mean personal responsibility?
00:37:38.000No one's telling you you're going to prison, no one's gonna beat you, you can still speak, you can still play video games, you can still yell the ho-hos and ding-dongs in the world, but we're saying you've got to be responsible to the community around you.
00:37:49.000So in the event, we did have a quote-unquote military takeover, but I'm saying that, you know, somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
00:37:56.000I mean quite literally if they came out and said, hey, there's a minimum standard and it's going to be this, but you'll be able to live your lives as you see fit.
00:38:03.000The people who are going to write the history books are going to claim a military dictatorship destroyed freedom in this country, when in reality it might actually just be something like, hey, we're about to collapse.
00:38:18.000If Donald Trump deployed the military, invoking the Insurrection Act during the Summer of Love, saving 30 plus lives, they would write down in the history books, a military dictator Donald Trump suppressed free speech.
00:38:31.000So I question these narratives throughout history.
00:39:41.000Capitol Hill, you don't go up there if you're the executive branch of the military unless you're invited.
00:39:47.000To do something different is called a military coup.
00:39:51.000So I was not going to be party to that, obviously, because that's un-American and in violation of my oath of office to the Constitution.
00:39:59.000So this narrative that we should have moved faster or had been up there beforehand would have been... Could you imagine what would have happened if we would have pushed, if I would have pushed National Guard troops up on Capitol Hill before the riots started?
00:40:24.000Do you think that was a justifiable shot given the situation?
00:40:27.000Well, you know, the protective service detail, I don't, it appears to me that when she came through the window that she, she crashed in on the security bubble and they, and they shot her.
00:40:40.000That was the moment when I realized we had been promised that the police in Washington D.C.
00:40:46.000and on Capitol Hill could handle up to a million protesters that day.
00:40:50.000And you don't use your military for domestic law enforcement.
00:40:56.000You don't use military, you don't use soldiers to do domestic law enforcement until civil society is broken down.
00:41:03.000Like a natural disaster in New Orleans, everything's gone to, you know what?
00:41:08.000That's when you go in there, that's when the military serves and does law enforcement duties.
00:41:15.000Until that happens, keep the military out.
00:41:17.000The military—you talked about Vietnam—military really violated tons of American civil liberties by spying on Americans.
00:41:26.000These are the things that are going to— They're still doing it!
00:41:28.000My last follow-up was going to be, many people in the Trump administration decided to resign as a result of January 6th and the events following it.
00:42:53.000Millie's like, you know, the only way there has to come through us, there was going to be no military coup.
00:42:59.000Dude, I spent my life in service to this country and I swore to protect and defend the Constitution.
00:43:05.000There's no way that I was going to allow back to your point about resigning.
00:43:10.000If it came down to that and the president was not about He wasn't going there.
00:43:16.000If it would have gone there, I would have resigned and gone right outside and gotten on TV and said I resigned in protest because I was asked to do something anti-constitutional.
00:44:58.000But all that really happened was federal law enforcement stood inside the building And then the leftists continued to firebomb it for 100 plus days until they got bored with it and stopped.
00:45:21.000I don't believe the federal law enforcement should come in without Absolutely can protect federal property, but the governor has his National Guard, his or her.
00:45:34.000They have plenty of access to security forces and law enforcement and National Guard without calling in the federal troops.
00:45:41.000If the federal government can't stop people for three or four months from throwing firebombs at its building, then they should probably just leave.
00:45:49.000They shouldn't be there because they're completely impotent.
00:45:57.000They had a bunch of CBP or whatever were even coming, and they could do nothing to stop far-left extremists occupying the city and firebombing their building.
00:46:14.000It's better than having no troops in the siege.
00:46:16.000I mean, I get it, but I think if someone commits a crime against the federal government, the federal government has a right to arrest criminals.
00:46:23.000But hey, look, man, I guess I can just— I'll side with my libertarian friends on this one and be like, the end result of this, in my mind, the logical conclusion is...
00:46:31.000It's a waste of taxpayer dollars to have federal law enforcement be paid to stand around for four months while people firebomb a building and they can't do anything about it.
00:46:39.000So how about we just save ourselves the money, let the far left keep running amok and doing whatever they want, because clearly we're not stopping it.
00:46:45.000If Portland and Seattle want that behavior, then far be it.
00:46:48.000You're right, federal government, don't be there, shut the building down, leave.
00:46:52.000What's the point of having a courthouse for the federal government if they're not going to arrest and convict these people anyway?
00:47:21.000What happens if a governor requests federal troops?
00:47:25.000Do they then owe the federal government something?
00:47:27.000Is it like, we'll pay you back later kind of thing?
00:47:29.000Or is it just they come and they serve for free, no questions asked?
00:47:32.000There are loopholes, technically speaking.
00:47:34.000There's some law that you have to pay, you know, some, but usually it all gets waived.
00:47:39.000So if the governor would have asked for federal troops, well, first off, we would have said, have you expended all your, you know, 5,000 members of your National Guard that work for you?
00:47:50.000He's like, I have, and I still have not gained control of city X, Y, Z. And then, yeah, federal troops would have been brought in in support.
00:48:00.000When the George Floyd riots happened, I think it was day two, I walked into the living room where Tim was.
00:48:05.000I was like, why have we not sent in the National Guard?
00:48:26.000There's videos of like Antifa far leftists walking through some kind of like suburban neighborhood and a bunch of young men who live in the areas came out and then countered them and chased them off.
00:48:37.000But we had this report from Michael Tracy of these small towns in the Midwest where stores were ransacked,
00:48:44.000windows were smashed and it was by BLM and Antifa.
00:48:47.000And they're like putting up board spray painting, small business, please don't hurt us and things
00:49:11.000Well, how's that the federal government's problem?
00:49:13.000I mean, if the federal government can't do anything about national widespread far-left terrorism, then I will just revert back to the whole national divorce civil war conversation.
00:49:25.000Because at this point, it's kind of like the federal government can do one thing.
00:49:28.000It can steal money from your paycheck and then burn it in Ukraine.
00:49:32.000Meanwhile, our businesses are being set on fire And we're having far-left extremists show up to our libraries, we're having adult sex performers perform for children, but I can rest assured that local government will do nothing, and the federal government will take money from my paycheck and my business and burn it in Ukraine.
00:49:49.000I think it's about arm yourself locally.
00:49:52.000I don't want vigilante justice, but like, if your governor won't do it, and your president won't do it, and people are getting killed outside your house, like what?
00:50:00.000What are people supposed to do in that situation?
00:50:02.000I've never seen that in my life, God forbid it would ever happen, but like, Just local militia?
00:50:07.000Is that actually constitutionally legal if the governor won't step up?
00:50:42.000If you pursue him and he tries to steal your shotgun and gets shot in the in the in the
00:50:48.000conflict, you will go to prison for the rest of your life.
00:50:52.000If you are in Wisconsin and a group of BLM extremists who have already set fire to a building twice, if they show up to your house and you brandish a shotgun, the cops will come and arrest you.
00:51:04.000If you're in Portland and far-left extremists create an autonomous zone where they kill people, mostly in Seattle where the people were killed, The police will do nothing.
00:51:13.000The federal government will do nothing.
00:51:15.000But rest assured, if you, as an American citizen, defend yourself from these people, they will show up to your doorsteps and mercilessly beat you.
00:51:24.000If you protest at the government, if you haphazardly bumble down the street in DC, where the cops open the door to the Capitol building for you and say, come on in, I don't agree with it, but I respect it, you will find yourself in solitary confinement for two years without charges.
00:51:44.000If working class people who are desperately trying to follow the rules are being told for the past several years, we'll take your money and leave you high and dry when the psychopaths burn your house down, and they're doing it in Georgia.
00:51:55.000These extremists who are protesting in the forest burning houses down, flipping trucks over and shooting at cops.
00:52:00.000We are being told over and over and over again by local government, we will do nothing for you.
00:52:06.000We're being told by the federal government, we will do nothing for you, but rest assured, I'll say it again, they'll take our money and burn it in Ukraine.
00:52:12.000Speaking of burning money in Ukraine, Chris, I think you said that you wanted to reduce, or we could reduce, the military budget by something like 40 or 50 percent.
00:52:21.000What do you think about the United States' reaction to Russia invading Ukraine, and what would you have done?
00:52:27.000What would your reaction have been had the invasion happened under your watch?
00:52:36.000I just, authoritarian, totalitarian doesn't work for me.
00:52:39.000And, you know, the big difference here in Ukraine than we had burning, taking our money and literally throwing it into the fire in Iraq and Afghanistan was, and when we left, all that money, you know what we were spending a week in Iraq and Afghanistan?
00:53:23.000Let's go ahead, if it's so important, take that out of the DoD budget as opposed to just adding to the federal deficit.
00:53:33.000So I'm wondering if there would be such eagerness to provide exquisite weapon systems to the Ukrainians if that money was being subtracted from the 858 billion dollars If I could get specific.
00:53:49.000So as I understand, we've sent more money to Ukraine right now than the entirety of the Afghanistan war.
00:53:56.000I know we just reached to the point in sending tanks where I know at the beginning of the conflict about a year ago, that wasn't even in consideration.
00:54:03.000How far do you think we should go with weapons?
00:54:05.000Should we send more tanks potentially?
00:54:21.000We're trying to rebuild, we're trying to build them an image of our military that we have lost every war that we have fought since World War II.
00:54:29.000I think Korea is going to go in the, I think Korea is going to go in the win column someday.
00:54:33.000I'd actually put Korea in the win column now.
00:54:36.000So my issue is, sending all these exquisite, wicked expensive tanks, what's a tank run for?
00:55:10.000Can you imagine if you're sitting there, you're a Russian, and you're like, okay, I've got my radars up, I see one plane coming, I'm good, I can handle that because I got a bunch of missiles.
00:55:21.000Can you imagine all of a sudden when your radar screen just goes all white and 20,000 drones are coming in on you?
00:55:30.000So we're sending all this money that it's the wrong capability.
00:55:34.000They can create light shows with drones that take the shape of a human face and have it animate and look around, and then a hand comes out and waves.
00:55:45.000Imagine if they did that, but had them fly in a scatter formation carrying kilograms of explosive material or something.
00:55:53.000The things you can do with drones and explosives, they can open up a computer, Choose every single target for 20,000 drones, and then every drone just targets windows, apartment buildings, cars.
00:56:09.000I think we're fighting an old-school kind of way.
00:56:12.000Chris, isn't it a little bit contradictory, though, if you want to reduce spending by 40-50%, but you still want to send more arms to Ukraine?
00:56:19.000So that's the thing I'm trying to argue in my book, is we can reduce spending if we rethink how we do our military operations.
00:56:28.000Instead of a $14 billion aircraft carrier, that's $14 billion.
00:56:32.000Instead of $1.5 trillion for the F-35 fighter, that's all Cold War stuff.
00:56:37.000It's not going to last in a high-intensity war.
00:56:53.000Because what Tim said was, this isn't like some Skynet thing or anything, that's not what I'm talking about.
00:57:01.000I'm talking about being able to go, a human in the loop, but going, okay, we have 500 targets, and then you can program your stuff to go get them without having to have a person in the loop.
00:57:12.000Like heat-seeking, so you can say, these are the parameters of what we target.
00:58:02.000Do you think that the US provoked Russia through its operations in Ukraine?
00:58:09.000I think what provoked Russia was our failure to withdraw effectively from Afghanistan and we were so feckless and it was such, now that's not to criticize anybody that was on the ground doing the work, that's not what I'm criticizing, but the failure, that was a debacle and I think Putin looked at that and I think when they open up the Politburo archives in like 50 years and they look at their National Security Council notes, they're going to go like, Wow, Putin saw that as weakness in the United States and saw that as a green light to go after.
01:00:21.000They said if we get Schengen zone, if Ukraine becomes a part of the Schengen zone and we can freely travel and work, our standard of living is going to skyrocket.
01:01:39.000Well, so there's a couple ways I look at this.
01:01:40.000First, my principle morals are if they cannot justify to me and the American people why we should be spending money and being involved in Ukraine, it shouldn't happen in the first place.
01:01:50.000Strategically, Obama should have declared a no-fly zone instantly over the Donbass region and Ukraine, which Ukrainians would have supported outright, and that would have prevented Russia from aggressing in the first place because that would be a direct act of war against the United States.
01:02:04.000When it came to their buildup on the border a year ago, before the invasion, I and many other people were like, the US strategically should have declared a no-fly zone before Russia invaded, because then Russia's move would have been an act of aggression against the US, putting them in a very difficult position.
01:02:21.000Instead, we have a Biden who sits on his hands and does nothing, and the military apparatus around him.
01:02:26.000Russia moves in, and now our hands are tied.
01:02:29.000Now we're sinking money into a toilet.
01:02:31.000And it's just, like you were saying, what, more money than Afghanistan?
01:03:05.000If you don't, and the most important lesson you can learn is if you're the eighth best player in the world and you're at a table with the seven other best players in the world, you're the sucker, get out.
01:03:16.000The US should have seen everything that was going on and been like, you know, we're really bad at this and we're going to lose.
01:03:21.000Cut your losses, leave, we shouldn't be involved.
01:03:23.000Chris, I want to ask you about, um, so I understand that the arguments that people make for helping out in Ukraine, frequently there's something along the lines of, well, you know, if you don't stop Putin, he's going to keep going and he's going to take, he's going to try to, to bring back the Soviet Union, et cetera.
01:03:42.000And those arguments to me are not compelling at all.
01:03:46.000And that's just because NATO, what's wrong with waiting?
01:03:50.000to for NATO to actually get involved until there's an actual threat to a NATO country.
01:03:57.000There was a reason why Ukraine is not in NATO now.
01:03:59.000And this is literally it, if I understand correctly.
01:04:03.000NATO didn't want Ukraine because they didn't want to directly have a conflict with Russia.
01:04:08.000And that's what we're getting at right now.
01:04:10.000If we if we continue to support Ukraine, at some point, there's going to be dead NATO
01:06:12.000Exactly, and that's why I think that, as harsh as this is going to sound to a lot of people, we should keep our nose out of Ukraine because I don't see Putin actually making an attack on a NATO country because that isn't that's that just I don't see any benefit for for Putin to do that.
01:06:31.000It's it to actually try to engage in a war with NATO.
01:06:36.000If there's a lack of NATO unity, then I could see him invading Estonia or Latvia and then posing the question to the American public and Europeans.
01:06:45.000Are you guys really willing to fight and die for Estonia?
01:06:49.000Because that's what a lot of people in the United States would be asking.
01:06:52.000And if you guys ask me that, I don't know how I would respond.
01:06:55.000Do you think American soldiers should die in Estonia if Russia invades?
01:08:35.000Everybody made fun of Reagan, like, this guy's a complete lunatic.
01:08:39.000The problem with defensive bubbles is things that come straight down pierce the bubble, or a better chance to pierce the bubble, like hypersonic straight down.
01:08:48.000The real issue is Russia probably has invested in cyber warfare more than anything else.
01:08:56.000Well, information operations too, with their pot farms and everything.
01:09:00.000Yes, but I think the bigger issue is Russia probably has the capability of blowing up an oil refinery in a minute.
01:09:13.000It's very easy to attack, it's extremely difficult to defend.
01:09:16.000You have so many attack vectors throughout the country, You you won't even it's impossible to shore up defenses, because you don't know which of the tens of thousands of industrial plants to protect.
01:09:30.000And you can start by trying to protect all of them, update every single one.
01:09:34.000But even when you do, eventually someone will find a new exploit.
01:09:38.000The military, the Russians, will every single day be trying to find a way to break through, and they will find it.
01:10:08.000So the end goal seems very positive for everyone involved, except for the fact that the Ukrainians would have to cede the Eastern Territory, the Donbass or the Southern Donbass.
01:10:19.000But do you think that that's a reasonable de-escalation tactic?
01:10:21.000You're triggering me and this is where the American hypocrisy bothers me that There's this idea that somehow we can dictate terms.
01:10:28.000The Ukrainians get to decide and the Russians get to decide.
01:10:38.000They'll stop fighting when they get flattened and there's no one left to fight.
01:10:44.000Ukrainians have shown that they, the biggest change I saw from when you were over there, right, it used to be about 50-50 split, 50% were like, let's go Russia way, 50%, let's go to the East, let's go to the West.
01:11:40.000The way that, and that's part of my book actually, is we talked about how we should need to fight differently.
01:11:44.000When the Russians came down from the north to try to capture Kiev, and what did you have?
01:11:50.000You had like babushka women out there, you know, slapping plastic explosives on freaking Russian tanks. You had little hunter-killer teams
01:12:00.000with their pickup truck and anti-tank guns.
01:12:05.000That's my point. They're absolutely capable of defending themselves, even if we pulled everything
01:12:13.000It'd get a lot worse, don't get me wrong.
01:12:15.000That's a great argument for us to pull everything out and back off, because if that's the case, then I see no reason for us to be wasting time.
01:12:40.000So what do IAEA as a tax-paying American citizen gain from everything we've done in Ukraine?
01:12:47.000Well, I kind of am a Ronald Reagan kind of conservative who believes in peace through strength, and I don't like bullies and authoritarian regimes.
01:16:23.000Russia does deals with other countries.
01:16:25.000It interferes with us in terms of the energy market that we're trying to build with Europe, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.
01:16:32.000So if the real reason is that we have engaged in war in Ukraine because we want cheap energy into Europe so that Europe can build up its economy as a means to counteract the growth of China, Sure, I understand that.
01:16:47.000I don't see that as a good enough reason.
01:16:49.000Russia is engaged in legitimate energy trade.
01:16:51.000We are pissed off about it because we want Europe to expand and they're our allies.
01:16:55.000So we decide to support a war against Bashar al-Assad and Russia?
01:17:01.000It just seems like psychotic, world-ending policy, especially when you consider that Russia They're not going to roll over.
01:17:12.000So this all... Look, I can talk about how far back this goes, but as a 36, nearly 37-year-old man... Give me a couple weeks, my birthday's coming up.
01:17:21.000I can talk to you about the extent to which I entered this and have vast ignorance of the long-standing conflict.
01:17:27.000But what we know is Europe has made the argument, or I should say the European Union argument is, they need a strong economic bloc because China is growing too rapidly.
01:18:23.000But if the argument is, Europe needs cheap energy, so we are going to go fight in Ukraine to cause problems to Russia, so that as the war expands, if Russia does team up with China, they'll be substantially weakened, I'm like, oh, you're basically saying World War III is coming, we want it, we're involved in it, we're not going to back down.
01:18:38.000Okay, not a good enough reason for me, I gotta be honest.
01:18:42.000I'm being told either, trust me when I spend all of your money, more than we've spent anywhere else, on this war in Ukraine, and it will probably lead to World War III.
01:18:52.000I'm being told that's the path we're going to take, and I'm not going to give you a legitimate justification for why we're doing it.
01:18:58.000My attitude is just, okay, well then I'm going to advocate against it every step of the way, because if you can't justify it, the American people should not be giving you support for it.
01:19:06.000I think that if it's this old British Empire tactic of keeping the Germans and Russians separate, if the Germans and Russians create an alliance, you have like a European-Asian superpower in China, Russia, India, Germany.
01:19:19.000Then, after 20 years, the United States is the bitch of the realm.
01:19:23.000And we lost the war through ineptitude and inactivity.
01:19:26.000Whereas right now, they're trying to prevent this Hitler's invasion of Poland all over again.
01:20:06.000I think the Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank right now, and I know this week the whole story is like, the Chinese and the Russians are combining, which is horrifying, yes, but 2,500 mile border between Russia and China, China I think is probably going I love the fact that the entire Russian army is committed and stuck in Ukraine because last time I checked, you guys are experts on this, the Chinese have lots of problems with natural resources which all are just north of there.
01:20:40.000I gotta think they're just sitting there going, oh we're taking the long view, we love the fact that the Russians are getting bled.
01:20:47.000It's horrifying if you're a Russian soldier or mercenary.
01:20:50.000Holy cow, you drew a bad lot on that one.
01:20:54.000But I think the Chinese are just absolutely like, we couldn't have asked for a better setup.
01:20:59.000We've got everybody focused over here and we can just continue to do what we need to do.
01:21:04.000And they'll likely, I think, move into Taiwan at some point soon.
01:21:06.000I think that balloon is a literal trial balloon.
01:21:10.000The way I describe it is, when you're robbing a liquor store, you don't care that the gun you have is illegal because you're committing a worse crime.
01:21:16.000China, I think, is getting ready for action in Taiwan, so they don't care if we're pissed about a balloon.
01:21:21.000They're preparing for something much worse.
01:21:36.000So you were acting Secretary of Defense during a time that was going to transition, which is supposedly the most militaristically vulnerable time for a nation.
01:21:48.000During the Trump administration, we were still under the strategic ambiguity on whether or not we would defend Taiwan.
01:21:54.000But Joe Biden, some people are calling him a blabbering idiot when he says this, but he takes away strategic ambiguity because he says that we will defend Taiwan.
01:22:03.000Could you give us some insights on what was happening under the Trump administration, how we would have reacted to China trying to invade Taiwan, and what do you think about Joe Biden saying now that we would defend Taiwan?
01:22:16.000Well, remember the international school of of international affairs has this thing called the madman
01:25:18.000It was before that, it was the British were attempting to colonize China, and they pushed them off the continent and just onto the islands.
01:25:25.000But remember, the reason the Nixon administration cut the deal is we needed to get out of Vietnam.
01:25:44.000I think we should just start behaving as though World War III has already ended and then get a homestead, get some goats and chickens.
01:25:53.000That's why I think about alliance with Russia, not in the sense of a military alliance against someone.
01:25:58.000I'm saying that wars can end and immediately go back to normalcy, like a white peace can be declared and economics are immediately struck back up, infrastructures rebuilt, people, they speak the same language, you know, like the Russians and Ukrainians are basically the same people.
01:26:44.000The psychological trauma soldiers develop from having to kill other people.
01:26:49.000Like the story from Vietnam that the troops were shooting over the heads of the Viet Cong because they really just, people don't want to kill each other.
01:27:49.000They went in with helicopter gunships, and there was a captain that issued the order, we're just going to torch and kill everyone here, and they murdered And no one got any kind of jail time for it.
01:27:59.000The one guy, the captain got in trouble but then was pardoned by Nixon.
01:28:25.000Hey, I'll tell you what, you're pretty amped when you come off the objective and you've taken some casualties and you grab a hold of your targets.
01:28:34.000Yeah, it gets pretty amped, but we take that pretty seriously.
01:28:38.000Sometimes things go wrong, but man, we teach that.
01:28:44.000It's the lieutenant that gave the order?
01:30:13.000And parents with no legs of my friends that had been in the jungle.
01:30:19.000It's really people should educate themselves on Vietnam and listen to stories of Vietnam veterans that there's videos of them on the internet telling for an hour talking about either they were captured, what it was like to be in a foxhole in the dark for two weeks.
01:31:12.000The people, the conflict, Fortunate Son playing non-stop, and then it shows them on a boat and it's playing Fortunate Son.
01:31:17.000The smell, a lot of the soldiers will say one of the biggest things is when you land, you get off the thing, it's 104 degrees and it smells.
01:32:17.000It's called The Culture War with Tim Pool.
01:32:18.000Friday mornings, when we record it, goes up at 1 p.m.
01:32:22.000And this show exists because we've had many inquiries for guests who can't They're not necessarily news commentary and culture commentary people, but they have interesting stories and things to talk about.
01:32:32.000So, this is more of just a conversational show.
01:32:35.000We had Ollie London, surprisingly, knows a whole lot about modern politics and news, so I was like, oh, okay, maybe we were wrong about this guy.
01:32:40.000But we do have some upcoming musical guests who have dealt with the culture war, and we'll talk about vax minutes and things like that coming up.
01:32:52.000But good conversation, so check out youtube.com slash timcast, where the show is now live, and we'll have clips from the show coming up all throughout the next week.
01:35:58.000And he said he regrets that it took, he got all of this surgery done that altered himself before he finally realized it.
01:36:05.000Well, ease your regrets, man, because that story's going to help a lot of people and probably keep people from having to go through what you went through.
01:36:11.000And the funny thing is, I was like, when you were doing this trans Korean stuff, where, like, conservatives attacking you and threatening you, I was like, no.
01:36:18.000And I was like, you didn't get people insulting you?
01:37:19.000Yeah, we were going in, they were doing that in North Vietnam to flood the rivers.
01:37:23.000The problem was there was a POW camp called SONTAY, S-O-N-T-A-Y, that we did the most bold commando raid in like the history of the world.
01:37:33.000They flew up in there and they landed and the The prisoner war camp was on this river that had, due to the fact that we were messing with the weather, the river overflowed, so they moved the prisoners a couple days prior, and wow.
01:37:53.000It's crystallized silver iodide, and it causes water particles to start condensing.
01:37:57.000But they also have, in the past, probably longer than a decade, but a decade ago or so it was reported, Germany was using infrared lasers I was wondering about that.
01:38:47.000Someone else suggested that we do a Sunday night hangout livestream where we just get a bunch of dudes who play poker and then it's mostly just a conversation hangout with poker as a backdrop.
01:38:58.000And I was talking to Clint from Liberty Lockdown.
01:40:49.000One is a guy put it in his door, creating a quote-unquote force field, where you can see the arcs of lightning going, you know, all over where the laser-induced plasma channel is happening.
01:41:00.000What's the difference between that and like a railgun?
01:41:11.000Full auto rail gun, it's like an electromagnetic pulse.
01:41:15.000I want to launch spacecraft with rail on rail gun type.
01:41:18.000Actually, I was reading about that, and ultimately I think they decided for space package delivery, they're going to use high speed centrifuges.
01:41:28.000There was a discussion, I was reading about how they did want to use rail guns, use an electromagnetic rail gun to do it, and then they ultimately decided just to swing it.
01:42:19.000I think that's where they want to put it, like down in Arizona or something.
01:42:22.000Yeah, put it, like, I mean, because rockets are, you know, the sound of rockets, like, you have to be really far away because they're massive and blah, blah, blah.
01:42:31.000So I imagine if you have to worry about, you know, the sound levels, a spaceport would make sense for this stuff to be, you know?
01:42:40.000I can't believe that I'm talking about spaceports.
01:43:53.000I saw a video of this and I want to be in person, be flying through the air in an airplane when I'm watching a rocket launch or better, the boosters land.
01:45:16.000You're watching an interview, and there's some guy saying, like, When I was there, the killing fields, the children that I saw, That's really interesting.
01:45:25.000Before we move on, head over to LargeDiapers.com, a sponsor for today's show, and you'll get 20% off, and I'm just like... Well, then you always have to enter the code, right?
01:45:39.000Yeah, so the reason ads are always like, you'll get 10% off if you use promo code TIM.
01:45:44.000It's actually so that they can look in their internals and be like, hey look, we got a thousand new customers who use TIM, the TIM ads are working.
01:45:56.000YouTube has programmatic ads, but for the most part, I think memberships at TimCast.com are the principal way to run the business.
01:46:03.000It's kind of like, I would rather have customers as opposed to, like, if you're doing sponsorships, the sponsors are your customers, and your customers expect a good product.
01:46:15.000And then you end up with, I don't like that you said that thing about that stuff.
01:46:19.000And you're like, well, I'm going to keep saying it.
01:46:21.000Well, I'm not going to be a customer of yours.
01:46:23.000And if you rely on that, then you're beholden to companies that want to sell diapers or whatever, as opposed to the people who watch your show.
01:46:30.000If you do it as memberships, then we're beholden to the people who are paying our memberships and not corporations who sell products.
01:46:38.000I mean, if you're a corporation that sells products, we have some sponsors.
01:46:40.000Ultimately, I decided, we'll sponsor ourselves.
01:46:43.000So we're launching a coffee brand, and we're probably going to do some kind of supplements or something, and then just basically be our own sponsors.
01:46:50.000So that way, we can't cancel ourselves, and we are still more beholden to our audience, who are our customers.
01:47:49.000Old-school cable, you know, when you're getting a megabit and you're excited.
01:47:54.000I'm getting 8 megabits up, it's like, okay, I can do a 480 livestream.
01:47:58.000We can upload video files, it'll take 20 minutes.
01:48:02.000Right now we've got greater than gigabit.
01:48:05.000So, it's unfortunate, but we're building infrastructure in a semi-rural area, mostly rural area, and that means they've got to lay down the lines, lay down the fiber, and they don't have the materials to actually build it.
01:48:18.000Yeah, I don't know, maybe if I speak on a show like this and say like, hey, Comcast, we need internet at our new headquarters, someone listening might know somebody and be like, can we divert resources and make this happen or something?
01:48:30.000I feel like the companies love Twitter now.
01:48:33.000It took like four months to get internet here.
01:48:35.000It was crazy because they have to actually dig, like hang lines and like bury line and actually for miles, like two miles up the road, lay down the fiber lines and bring it to the house.
01:48:54.000Put in a line from the road all the way up a mile.
01:48:58.000But when you're in a residential area or an urban area that already has backhaul and lines in the ground, 100 bucks a month for gigabit.
01:49:06.000When you're in a rural area, it's thousands of dollars a month for the same internet.
01:49:10.000And then when they installed it, they installed it wrong and they gave us the wrong box.
01:49:14.000So it had an optical port and like an ethernet port and they gave us the wrong port and we tried to buy converters and we were like, this is insane.
01:49:20.000And then they had to come out and reconfigure and like swap out or something.
01:50:57.000At the body shaming that has been going on in chat from the people who are saying that there is something white in my mustache, it is the graying of my beard.
01:51:07.000I have gray hairs and y'all are shaming me and saying I have boogers and don't you ever stop to think about what other people feel when you're shaming?
01:51:16.000No, so this is why guys get the Just For Men stuff and color their beard.
01:51:20.000I always thought it was silly because I'm like, who cares?
01:53:35.000Because the issue is words are defined by how they're used.
01:53:39.000And when we say cold war, we don't go, well, the dictionary says that war is armed conflict.
01:53:44.000Therefore the cold war never happened.
01:53:46.000It was more of the cold political dispute between nations.
01:53:48.000It's like, okay, like, we call it a Cold War because... Because there were nuclear arms pointed at each other.
01:53:53.000If there wasn't weapons involved, we wouldn't call it a war.
01:53:55.000And influence operations and spying and stuff.
01:53:57.000So when you have, like, Aaron Danielson getting shot twice in the chest and killed by a guy with a communist tattoo on his neck, I'd argue we are in a hot conflict.
01:54:07.000It's just not to the point where... What we're dealing with is...
01:54:12.000The weaponization of government against the political enemies, January 6th type stuff.
01:54:17.000We're looking at pro-lifers getting arrested.
01:54:19.000We're looking at leftists getting a free pass.
01:54:22.000Like, there is a cold civil war happening, and it was a Yale professor five years ago who said it.
01:54:28.000So if you don't want to take his word for it, totally fine.
01:54:31.000But you have to acknowledge that we've seen violence, death, conflict all under the guise of political tribalism and extremism.
01:54:37.000So is it a hot civil war with marching nation states against each other?
01:54:51.000Alright, so you guys spent a lot of money to train and educate me when I was a military officer and it worked because I was right with the Carl von Clausewitz quote, war is the continuation of politics by other means.
01:56:51.000If you want to step in front and say, legally, the Cold War was a war, you'd be wrong.
01:56:55.000And no one's talking about legally, we're talking about human ideas and understanding, and often, in an attempt to win arguments, you change definitions of words.
01:57:02.000Well, that's a disingenuous way to win an argument.
01:57:15.000There are people hacking, sending death threats.
01:57:18.000There's banks shutting down people's finances.
01:57:21.000Like, this is all an attempt to destroy people's lives, cause them physical economic harm, in an effort to win a political battle.
01:57:30.000I feel like you could move into someone's city and they'll be like, he's declaring war on us by taking our goods and services and land from us, even though you just did it totally on the board.
01:58:00.000Well, mean actually means the average.
01:58:03.000The whole point of that exchange was the... You are most famous for making semantic arguments to try and prove a point that doesn't make sense.
01:58:10.000Like, this is what people complain about.
01:58:12.000I don't care about people lists on the internet.
01:58:14.000I'm telling you that everyone is desperately trying to tell you use semantic arguments all the time.
01:58:24.000We were on stage at Long Shots, and we were talking about the great things you bring up on the show, and then I said, but not the semantic arguments, and everyone started cheering and clapping in the audience.
01:59:32.000Yeah, they're like, get a big jet and fly the jet around.
01:59:35.000And it's like, some dude's gonna pop out of the bushes with a remote control car with a bomb strapped to it, and he's gonna drive it into your tent.
01:59:43.000And you're gonna be like, what's that thing?
01:59:46.000Is what's going on in the southern border war?
01:59:55.000When you have people marching with flags of their home country into your country, like, I don't understand why that's not an invasion.
02:00:02.000It's like literally people waving a flag of another country marching into yours.
02:00:06.000Like if this was 1500s France and a bunch of British subjects with British flags marched into France and then stuck the flag in the ground and said, this land is ours now and we're going to live and work here.
02:00:17.000They'd be like, okay, these British people are invading France.
02:00:20.000You don't have to start shooting each other with bows and arrows or whatever, like it happened.
02:02:38.000But this talks about some good stories, but at the end of the day, it's about accountability, it's about moving forward with our country, and it's also about You know, those that serve and those they serve, we got to do better bringing that together.
02:02:55.000Back to our point, because what you brought up, civilian oversight is essential to our country.
02:03:01.000And I just kind of behind the scenes, you know, I'm talking too much.
02:03:06.000I know, you know, hey, I know we got to get off.
02:03:30.000I'm sorry, I know you guys get a little down in the mouth.
02:03:32.000I listen, like, what's the end of the world?
02:03:34.000I'm like, man, you go out in America, you know it, you see it out there, those people.
02:03:39.000It may be a dramatic transformation, but I said the other day, humans have overcome every single challenge set before them thus far, and I don't think we're the exception where it's all going to fall apart.
02:03:49.000I think things could get bad, but we'll figure it out.