On today's show, we sit down with some of the people who were invited to a dinner with Donald Trump and discuss the details of the dinner, including who got a seat at the table, why they were invited, and what happened.
00:00:20.000You were with your families or loved ones, or at least relaxed and enjoyed yourself.
00:00:25.000Over the past week, there was a particularly big news story that's resulted in a continued news cycle, which is now going on for over a week, which is in many ways unheard of.
00:00:34.000But right now, because Donald Trump went to dinner with Ye and Nick Fuentes, among others, he is now being denounced by Mike Pence, several Republican senators, and For whatever reason, this story—for many reasons, I suppose, people have made—this story has persisted till today.
00:00:52.000And we are able to actually sit down with several of the individuals involved in that story, notably Ye, Nick Fuentes, and Malianopoulos, of course, who made the dinner happen.
00:01:25.000And Trump, of course, has issued statements.
00:01:27.000So a lot of people want to know where he stands and, more importantly, what happened there and why.
00:01:33.000And there's also the questions about what Yay 24 means, and I'll keep that a little bit vague so that they can answer to that and speak more to that, and then of course we're going to get into a lot of different issues.
00:01:41.000However, head over to TimCast.com and become a member.
00:01:44.000We're going to have a members-only uncensored show, which will probably get a bit more in-depth on a lot of other issues.
00:03:38.000I just want to start off by how did this dinner come to happen and what happened?
00:03:47.000I was talking to Trump for about a month.
00:03:50.000We had scheduled the dinner in October and then he announced for president.
00:03:55.000He pushed the dinner back to November.
00:03:59.000And I've been pulling together a campaign and after I put up the Defcon tweet, a bunch of people that have been cancelled, like Alex Jones, I started getting contact with other people that were now on the you know, the inside of the matrix. And Alex Jones,
00:04:20.000producer, said that Milo wanted to contact me.
00:04:23.000And here we are. So that's how you guys got in contact?
00:04:28.000Yeah, originally. And then I've suggested that we bring in Nicholas as an enormous extra
00:05:43.000So a big thing is like Trump had no idea who Nick Fuentes was.
00:05:49.000And but this whole, I just, I just got to go right to the heart of this anti-Semite claim that's happening.
00:05:59.000This is something, if you read the definition, it, it says you can't claim that There's multiple people inside of banks or in media that are all Jewish, or you're anti-Semitic.
00:06:26.000I'm saying, like, I've been labeled anti-Semite, right?
00:06:30.000So, There's different beliefs about our bloodlines, you know, like the documentary that Kyrie posted.
00:06:42.000And in general, America has been left ignorant and history has been changed.
00:06:49.000So when we start questioning things, that question, the indoctrination, then you immediately get, you know, you said, debanked, or what did you say happened to you?
00:07:47.000There are a handful of people that you see are Jewish in a certain place, and then you associate Judaism with the power, whereas I view that as not relevant to it.
00:07:56.000Like, yeah, you're substantially more powerful than I am, but I don't view what you're doing as an issue of black people.
00:08:04.000Yeah, but have you ever heard the term, the black vote?
00:08:08.000So it's okay to put us in one net, but it's not okay for me to put them in one net.
00:08:13.000Yeah, but I mean... That's the basis of the hypocrisy that people have been thinking about and knowing about and realizing for decades.
00:08:20.000We were all wondering how this dam was going to break.
00:08:23.000Everybody in the country was wondering, what is the root of this hypocrisy?
00:08:27.000Why can people talk about white people a certain way?
00:08:28.000Why can't they talk about that group a certain way?
00:08:30.000And the most wretched and wicked and oppressive prevailing orthodoxy of cancel culture, well it turned out that the one thing that was going to break the dam was the biggest star in the world.
00:08:40.000And it took the biggest star in the world to do it.
00:09:18.000I think race plays a role in a lot of things, absolutely.
00:09:21.000I think the construct of race has really been forced upon us as just something for us to be woke about and just constantly talk about and use it as these, like, walls.
00:09:34.000Couldn't you say the same thing about Judaism?
00:09:37.000Well, let's look at the facts of what I'm saying, though.
00:09:39.000If you say, in this neighborhood, where they gerrymander, there's this amount of time.
00:09:46.000I was just gerrymandering the lawyers and the Hollywood executives and the people at the bank that debanked me and then froze my accounts.
00:09:54.000You know, it's like, we want to jump into protecting the idea that we can't put a net around something, right?
00:10:01.000But that's been my job as a producer, to take You know, a Roy Air sample, and put a James Brown drum, and put it within a two-minute, three-minute song.
00:10:13.000That's the way I actually think, and that's the way I talk.
00:10:18.000And now, this morning, I found out that they were trying to put me in prison, because what they did was I moved $140 million into JP Morgan, and I said, I want to talk to Jamie Dimon.
00:10:33.000Like, look at me, I'm just going in naive, you know, multi-billionaire, like, maybe Jamie Dimon will let me in on some deal flow.
00:11:37.000And then I deal with this little bit of noise from, you know, Zionism, from the fashion world, where they use this plant named Gabi, who's obviously like some kind of CIA agent, knows nothing about fashion.
00:12:05.000Okay, I want to get on, like, LeBron in a second, but I'm gonna come back to this and just talk about this morning where, you know, I'm not gonna mention her name because she's a nice lady, but someone at Cohen Resnick tells me, and I've told all of my finance people, never use the term a lot, but they said, okay, you're gonna have to pay a lot of taxes.
00:12:26.000And that made me feel like they're just, like, waiting, like, we finally got him.
00:13:02.000So I'm not, you know, not come to my house this morning, but I found out, okay, so they froze, they put a $75 million hold on four of my accounts.
00:13:12.000And then they said, you owe a lot of taxes.
00:13:15.000Took me like six hours to find out how much a lot was, they said.
00:14:38.000It's not about the amount of money that you have and, you know, to come in here, I feel like it's a setup to be, like, defending.
00:14:44.000I'm not gonna go through another, like, I'm literally gonna walk the F off the show if I'm sitting up here having a, you know, talk about, you can't say that it was Jewish people that did it when Every sensible person knows that.
00:14:59.000I mean, Jon Stewart knows what happened to me and they took it too far.
00:15:03.000It was like American History X. Like, my head was on the side of the curve and the exact people that I called out kicked my head.
00:15:12.000We found out that my trainer was a MKUltra Canadian He worked in the defense research and development in the Canadian military, essentially working on psyops in the Canadian military.
00:15:28.000Yeah, what I'm saying is, look, they tried to medicate me, I was exhausted, they wrongly diagnosed me, and when I asked them how much Lithium, did you want to put me on exactly?
00:15:39.000It took them four days to answer because they were embarrassed about the amount, right?
00:16:22.000Before the show, obviously, I'm getting a bunch of messages from people.
00:16:24.000People are hitting me up and they're like, you shouldn't host them, they're anti-semitic, they're white supremacists, they're racist.
00:16:30.000I do find the idea, I do find it funny or weird or whatever that, you know, Nick, they call you a white supremacist, you're here working with or for, you know, one of the most powerful black men, one of the wealthiest and most famous.
00:16:41.000But, uh, A lot of people were saying, on the right, specifically, don't platform them.
00:16:45.000And I said, well, I want to understand what they're thinking and why they're thinking it.
00:16:49.000They're involved in what may be the biggest news story of the past week, and we have an opportunity to sit down and talk to them.
00:16:53.000Because the red media controls both sides.
00:16:56.000It just said it as simple as possible.
00:17:03.000As I say, isn't that an issue of these individuals?
00:17:06.000I'm going to order with the last of my money that's available in a different account, I'm going to order a PJ before I sit and have another Lex Friedman set-up conversation.
00:17:17.000They're trying to put me in jail for my opinion.
00:17:48.000That's another conversation. There was no one in my position that wore that hat.
00:17:52.000And all of my surroundings exhausted me. It was like death by a thousand questions. I know I'm
00:17:57.000jumping to another thing. But what I'm saying is, I know you got a rep for your people online,
00:18:02.000but it's like you got a person in real life that I'm not with it, bro. I lost the...
00:18:07.000I lost the money for the freedom of speech, and that's what makes me the only American that we know that really deserves to run the country, because everyone else—your boy DeSantis, Trump, whoever they raise in a petri dish over on the Democrat side—is going to play the game.
00:19:02.000Yeah, I mean, the Jewish people allowed Obama to meet with the minister.
00:19:11.000Farrakhan said, well, did he have the money?
00:19:13.000The contract for the next four years, if I hadn't done anything, would have been $500 million a year for four years.
00:19:20.000What I was fighting for was the IP so my children could I'm sorry, sometimes I think about seven thoughts at one time, because anything I see, I come up with like seven answers to it and then just choose what it is.
00:19:37.000But the thing is, when I said my children, the reason why my brain kind of blocked, because it's like God is saying, you know, your children are going to be okay.
00:20:20.000No one's going to denounce the fact that they tried to lock me up.
00:20:24.000That's what, because every time I'm just holding stride and it's like, I I thought I was more Malcolm X, but I find out I'm more MLK, because as I'm getting hosed down every day by the press, and financially, I'm just standing there.
00:20:37.000And when I found out that they tried to put me in jail, it was like a dog was biting my arm, and I almost shed a tear.
00:21:44.000Other than ask him, please elaborate on this.
00:21:46.000Are you referring to individuals or are you quite literally blaming an entire group of people for the fact that powerful individuals are causing you harm?
00:21:54.000I really wanted to ask Nick about his thoughts about MLK because I know they contradict.
00:21:58.000These comments about that but but again these are mass generalizations that don't really help anyone in my perspective they just kind of sound like their opposition they sound what they're kind of going against the woke mob that's always saying white men white men are responsible for everything when I see people just use generalizations it kind of cheapens the conversations it cheapens a dialogue that we could have here that I was planning to
00:22:21.000talk to Ye about, specifically bringing up like, hey, let's actually talk about this in a
00:22:25.000real concise way. Let's not get emotional.
00:22:27.000Let's not walk out of here. Let's actually talk about this.
00:22:29.000Let me tell all you guys outright. I said this is going to be a big issue.
00:22:33.000Before the show, obviously people are going to bring up the questions of anti-Semitism.
00:23:21.000I wanted to talk to these guys about why they're meeting with Trump.
00:23:24.000I want to know what happened with the dinner, because we hear a lot of rumors about it.
00:23:28.000I want to hear about their 2024 platform, which they were promising, which they were talking about, like they're going to be officially... Let me explain to everybody.
00:23:35.000You know, unfortunate they walked out.
00:23:37.000Fine, maybe they'll come back, whatever.
00:23:39.000This is the biggest challenge with dealing with identitarianism.
00:23:42.000I do not believe that the predeterminate factor in someone's worth, value, or agenda is based on immutable characteristics.
00:23:50.000He does not represent all black people.
00:23:52.000There are Jewish individuals who work in banks.
00:23:54.000Dave Chappelle made the joke about Jewish people in Hollywood.
00:23:57.000And he said, but it doesn't mean anything.
00:23:58.000You got a lot of black people in Ferguson, it doesn't mean they run the place.
00:24:01.000The point is, me, I'm all about individualism, meritocracy, personal responsibility.
00:24:05.000That means an individual of any background can be capable of anything.
00:24:09.000More importantly, we have employees here who are Jewish who spend time in Israel and would probably agree with a lot of issues that they would talk about, especially as it pertains to America First, you know, bringing jobs back here and securing our borders.
00:24:24.000But then it's just like every step of the way, it's like, bro, if you live in a world where a single group of people is haunting you, you're trapped.
00:25:04.000My question then is, don't you think that, you know, if Kanye is going to say these things and then immediately start getting involved with Fuentes, that only amplifies the accusations made against him?
00:25:19.000But I guess if they genuinely believe these things, that's who they are.
00:25:57.000I really wanted to talk about Balenciaga, I really wanted to talk about Harley Pasternak, I really wanted to talk about Dave Chappelle.
00:26:03.000Dave Chappelle talked about, you know, a lot of the things that Ye was warning about, specifically with people trying to drug him, specifically with people trying to, of course, get him on big pharma medicines.
00:26:13.000He was, again, sent to You know, he was institutionalized a couple years ago, specifically on November 21st, 2016.
00:26:22.000He's pointing a lot of this blame on this Harley Pasternak guy, who, again, he's the one who's training Lizzo, Elliot Page, he was training Brittany Murphy, he trained a lot of controversial figures, and he is connected to Canadian military PSYOPs.
00:26:37.000We should know what else is happening behind the scenes there, what else he knows, but we can't even get that.
00:26:41.000Before the show, Ye was like, This is funny, you know, he's like, how do I become president?
00:26:56.000He brought it up when he mentioned that I said that he would do well with the black vote.
00:27:00.000I feel like that's kind of oversimplifying what I said.
00:27:03.000What I said was that he's a celebrity, he's a personable character, he appeals to regular people more so.
00:27:08.000If he knocked on the door and you said, Trump, Biden, yay, they'd be like, yay.
00:27:12.000You know, but I do think that he would do better with the black vote simply because there's people who look up to him because they can see themselves in him.
00:27:26.000That's actually more of a leftist position, this woke position, because I don't completely disagree with every component of what diversity is.
00:27:34.000I think that it's true that if you're a little kid growing up in this country, And you're not white, but all you ever see on billboards and all you ever see on TV is white people, that means something, that has an effect on you.
00:27:44.000And that's basically what I'm getting to.
00:27:49.000Bro, if I can't ask you questions, calmly like, hey, but don't you think this is like localizing?
00:27:55.000He could have been like, I don't, you know, I genuinely view it this way, and I'd have said, well, okay, I can only ask you the question, you're allowed to believe what you want to believe.
00:28:19.000This is not a show where you come in and talk by yourself and say whatever you want and say things that warrant questioning, at the very least.
00:29:24.000Yeah, he's been on a whole bunch of podcasts.
00:29:26.000So when we were talking about bringing him on, I said, look, man, after the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff, people were like, are you going to get him on the show?
00:29:33.000And I'm like, I don't want to chase after a dude who, like, he's in the news.
00:29:55.000And so with Milo, we had him on, and it turned into something different because the man's been out of the limelight for five years and came back and said Trump supporters want revenge.
00:30:03.000So here on this show, I don't want to tell you, man.
00:31:41.000It was my channel, it was your channel, especially on the line, because, again, we're hosting conversations that are tough, that are not easy to have, that we need to be ready for, that we need to, of course, counter ideas just to let the best idea win.
00:31:55.000So, you know, taking this risk is just unfortunate that it played off the way it did.
00:32:00.000Again, he doesn't owe us anything, but this just should have done... I just wish it would have went a totally different way, but you can't control individuals.
00:32:09.000And if someone can't handle getting their assertions questioned... Well, but why did he get so angry about it?
00:36:01.000Tell me exactly what your plan is, other than they're harming me, and they're bad people, and I refuse to sit and listen to anyone who would say otherwise.
00:36:08.000Yeah, I think one of the major challenges about TimCast as a format show is that it's not an interview.
00:36:13.000It's the thing that I love about this program, which is, like, you may be an expert in something, but what we really want is for you to come here and talk about the news with us, talk about current events.
00:36:22.000And while, you know, I think we're all really excited to hear more about, like, all three of these people's perspective on stuff, like, it's hard to... They can't help it.
00:37:36.000I feel bad for the audience, honestly, because I feel like that could have been a really interesting conversation and now we're in a position where I am yay.
00:38:17.000We were talking about, like, it was religious philosophy, plans for the future, and I was like, this is really interesting stuff.
00:38:25.000I know they have these views, obviously, and people are texting me about it.
00:38:29.000And I'm like, okay, here's what we do.
00:38:34.000Look, all they did was remove themselves from the conversation.
00:38:40.000They had an opportunity to explain what was going on and why, and all that happened is it seemed like Ye came in here and just went for every possible way to make himself look worse.
00:38:50.000So what was, like, your burning question for this?
00:38:53.000Like, you knew they would probably bring this stuff up.
00:38:54.000You knew identity politics are definitely on the table.
00:39:36.000I feel like there's no way to know about this dinner without the three people who just left this room, which is unfortunate because that kind of dinner can affect so many people, right?
00:39:45.000There are Americans across the country who will be affected by the conversations they had.
00:39:49.000I would have loved to see the transparency and kind of know what's going on.
00:39:52.000And it's unfortunate that we couldn't progress further in that conversation,
00:39:56.000whether or not, you know, we all would have seen eye to eye during it.
00:40:00.000I can't believe he got so mad so quick.
00:40:10.000I just feel like he's someone who has values and it seemed like he felt like he wasn't, you know, I know he and Luke had sort of gone back and forth.
00:40:18.000He said, you gotta let me finish my thought.
00:40:20.000Maybe he felt like this conversation was sort of being structured in a way that wasn't letting him express himself.
00:40:27.000It's not the format that he's used to, which is like a one-on-one.
00:40:30.000That's what I mean by like you, I think people aren't always ready to come onto the show because you are responding to current events.
00:40:37.000You are not being interviewed in a traditional way.
00:40:41.000People don't get this too because we had, we've had people on the show Who end up not talking about their specialties or anything like that.
00:40:49.000So, like, someone might do a show on video games and then come on the show and talk politics.
00:40:53.000And it's like, right, because that's what we do.
00:40:55.000So, for example, shout out to our good friend Blair White.
00:40:58.000Blair White pointed out that on the last show we did, she was like, actually, every time you've had me on, we've never talked about trans stuff.
00:41:04.000And I was like, yeah, we talk current events and politics.
00:41:06.000And you're an individual who has opinions on it.
00:41:38.000I wanted to hear more from each person at the table about just what they're doing and what their vision is because even if you don't agree with them, they're really interesting and they are doing some really big things.
00:41:48.000Did he make any suggestion at all that he would come back at some point?
00:41:53.000No, he's like, I don't want to have a conversation with you guys because you guys, you know, essentially don't see the bigger truth of what he has.
00:42:01.000Defend your side and let the best idea win.
00:42:04.000Let's at least continue the dialogue and conversation because people are going to look at you right now and they're going to say, you can't have a debate.
00:42:11.000But did Nick or Milo say anything back?
00:42:13.000They're just kind of snickering and laughing in the back.
00:42:15.000I'm like, we had this big opportunity right here to have this discussion, to debate it, to talk about it, and they're just like, no, it's not going to work.
00:42:52.000I feel like without it, like, it's all speculation and it's a real missed opportunity, I think, for everyone involved here.
00:42:58.000Like, even if you feel like you're gonna butt heads, we've had guests on who are definitely opposed to both of you at the table, who are definitely willing to push back on things you're saying, and like, it makes the show better.
00:43:11.000I think it's better for everyone when you have tension in the room to a certain degree.
00:43:37.000And there's an aspect of this that I think is worth kind of considering when it comes to the kind of setting up, the kind of larger things happening behind the scenes here that I think is worth thinking about that, you know, we sadly don't get a preview into.
00:43:51.000Well, I had a bunch of questions, right?
00:44:07.000And I think the most, the stupidest thing the establishment did was cancel him.
00:44:11.000The stupidest thing Republicans did was cancel him because This is Milo's revenge.
00:44:16.000Milo said on the show last time he was here that Trump supporters wanted revenge.
00:44:20.000And now the narrative going around is that what's happened with Nick Fuentes at Trump's dinner and with Ye is revenge on Trump because Trump's reeling from this.
00:45:18.000He's such an interesting figure for a lot of reasons, but it's hard not to think in the years that they canceled him, sent him back, he just sort of became more powerful and is now acting on some sort of master plan.
00:45:28.000I mean, this candidacy, Kanye's potential run for president is disruptive to the party.
00:45:35.000It is the same way that any third party candidate entering a race can siphon off votes.
00:46:22.000But, you know, we gave him some answers.
00:46:24.000But he was asking that question a lot.
00:46:26.000It does seem like it's something that he seriously wants to, you know, do.
00:46:32.000Talking to Milo, Milo was like, you know, we can't say certain things because of the FCC.
00:46:37.000But, you know, this is what we're, you know, kind of essentially How is it that we basically had an hour conversation in this room, the pre-show, as we're getting camera and lighting corrected, and it had nothing to do with any of that stuff?
00:47:04.000Do you think it's that some people come into interviews knowing, like, they're going to they're going to ask me about this?
00:47:08.000Because I'm sure, Kanye or Ye, I'm so bad at this.
00:47:13.000But I'm sure a lot of people go into interviews, especially when you're that big a figure with a target on your back, thinking like some journalist is going to sit here and get me comfortable and then hit me with one of these questions that makes me look bad.
00:47:24.000I think in some ways it must be at the forefront of your mind going into an interview like this is the topic that everyone actually wants me to talk about.
00:47:30.000I don't even think you were going to ask about that.
00:48:35.000And ultimately, Especially if you have some kind of tension against someone, hearing them out and getting their perspective is the best way to form your opinion accurately.
00:48:44.000And often, especially I've known with Marjorie Taylor Crean, we've had people be like, I just sort of wrote you off because of all the headlines about you.
00:48:50.000But getting to hear your side and getting to your perspective has really altered my view.
00:48:54.000Maybe it doesn't make you a fan, maybe it does make you a fan.
00:48:56.000Hold on, like all the media that are like, de-platform, de-platform, it's like, was that not a good display of the depth of their ideology?
00:49:27.000They say that celebrities All of them tend to have some degree of narcissism.
00:49:33.000They feel that they should be seen by everybody, and thus, they end up putting themselves out more, which increases the likelihood of fame and notoriety.
00:49:41.000I don't think I'm exempt for any of this stuff.
00:49:43.000I'm sitting here pointing a camera at my face, talking to it all the time, and I talk a whole lot.
00:49:47.000But I think Ye is a guy who has risen to this position because he's assertive and because he's willing to do something like that.
00:49:54.000Imagine you're talking to a guy who's got a billion dollar shoe empire and you know that if you say the wrong thing he's out and you've lost everything.
00:50:22.000But I think it's also fair to say that he's going through a tremendous amount of pressure, a lot of stress.
00:50:28.000And I think when he was, you know, institutionalized and drugged in 2016, I think there might be still, you know, I again, I don't know here, I'm speculating, maybe some larger effects here, maybe he still hasn't recovered from that, you know, SSRIs and was it lithium that he was talking about, you know, those drugs have have a severe effect on you and could affect your decision making.
00:50:51.000So, you know, Well, I don't want to discredit him with that, like the mental health stuff, because a lot of people have said that you can't listen to anything Ye says because he's mentally ill, or he's off his meds, all of that stuff is just ad hominem.
00:51:07.000I think, you know, he's a 45-year-old man, he's extremely influential, powerful, he can make his own decisions, and I think that he made the wrong one tonight by walking out.
00:51:34.000But it's not that they were off the meds.
00:51:36.000It's that they were forcefully put on the meds.
00:51:37.000And when you look at a lot of people that are forcefully drugged, you do see a lot of long-term negative consequences and actions.
00:51:43.000Again, I'm not trying to excuse anything, but I think it's worth a discussion.
00:51:47.000Especially when it comes to this Harley Pasternak individual, the larger effects of this, the threats that were being made against him, the pressure he talked about, you know, going through a particular difficult—before the show began—a difficult situation with the divorce and custody with children.
00:52:04.000So, yeah, tremendous amount of pressure and stress.
00:52:25.000I mean, I honestly, you know, as much as I want this conversation, I want it for the
00:52:29.000company and I want it for the audience.
00:52:31.000I have a piece of, like, I have some respect for someone who's like, look, I'm done.
00:52:37.000I think so often we are in a culture that demands people continue to talk all the time, and if you don't want to, you don't have to.
00:52:45.000I am just sad that we didn't get to hear what happened at Mar-a-Lago.
00:52:49.000I am sad that we didn't get to hear more of these perspectives, because this is such an interesting trio of people, and it was worth hearing.
00:52:57.000It is worth knowing, because all we can do now is speculate.
00:52:59.000Imagine sitting down with Trump, too, right?
00:53:01.000Trump, he's walked out on some, but I don't think he would walk out like that.
00:53:06.000Yeah, I wanna hear his version of events of what happened here.
00:53:09.000Yeah, Trump, you gotta come on now because... There's also a lot of other reports saying that he was screaming at that particular dinner with Nick there, that there was a big argument, that there was yelling.
00:53:20.000That was the point of bringing these guys on.
00:53:45.000Like, would you do something different?
00:53:47.000Like, you led off tonight with a story about Mar-a-Lago.
00:53:49.000Would you have led off with something else?
00:53:51.000I'm just curious, because then you're introducing our format.
00:53:54.000This is why I think, you know, someone super chatted saying they think that this thing was staged, a publicity stunt, because walking out generates more press, because it gives the press something to write about.
00:54:03.000If they didn't storm off, the press would have been like, here are a few things they said.
00:54:07.000But by storming off, now there's a story about, yay, just throwing up and leaving, and that generates press.
00:54:13.000So it's like, But it's not positive press if you're looking for political credibility.
00:54:18.000I think that part of the reason he walked out and he's this emotionally stressed out right now is because he has the soul of an artist and not of a politician, and that's usually a good thing, actually.
00:54:32.000Well, if there's one thing we know from Milo, he understands that any press is good press, and he kind of utilizes that to his personal benefit.
00:54:42.000I don't know, maybe he thought if there was a debate, maybe things wouldn't have not looked as good here, and I don't know.
00:54:50.000I mean, I think we knew going in that we were going to have Five enormous personalities in this room.
00:54:56.000Serge, I'm sorry about that one, buddy, but you're much more low-key.
00:54:59.000And that anyone was bound to become more tense.
00:55:03.000It's just, it was a question of how this dynamic would play out, and I'm, again, sorry that it played out this way, because it leaves so many questions on the table.
00:55:11.000I just don't want to speculate about mental health or the effect of pills, or I don't believe this was staged, but like, whatever happened, I just think that it would have been an interesting conversation.
00:55:21.000Do you think you want to ask him to come back?
00:56:56.000I mean, that basically threw Trump a life raft.
00:57:00.000Trump was reeling from this, being accused of all of these things, and now Ye basically came out and confirmed, actually Trump didn't know who he was, I brought him there.
00:57:20.000Does it change your opinion of like, I know you've been following kind of speculation about that dinner and speculation about, uh, Ye's campaign.
00:58:57.000And he was specifically referring to how the political game has been changed, how it is totally different, how it's not just, you know, predominantly obeying and worshiping a certain political politician that changes his tone when he's with a certain group So I think it's going to be interesting to see how this future campaign is going to be unfolding, because right now it doesn't look promising.
00:59:18.000I don't know if any campaign will unfold.
00:59:43.000I literally said to them, like, if you guys want to bring that stuff up, I'm not going to sit there and let you just say whatever you want.
00:59:48.000And they're like, we know, we know, we know.
01:00:09.000If someone was in an interview and was like... There's a news outlet that tried calling me alt-right and had issued an apology and a retraction.
01:00:54.000I said that the Kyle Rittenhouse story was one of the things that convinced me to vote for Donald Trump, because I saw how insane things were getting, and this was so extremely dire.
01:01:01.000And it was, you know, a lot of factors.
01:01:05.000And then I get the media reporting, like, negatively that I said that.
01:01:08.000I'm like, I don't care if you view it negatively.
01:02:16.000I probably should have said, I probably should have been like, yay, I hear you, man.
01:02:20.000I respect the story you're getting to.
01:02:22.000You want to hold off on that for a little bit.
01:02:23.000Maybe we'll talk about the news and then we can bring this stuff up.
01:02:25.000He probably would have been like, all right.
01:02:27.000I feel like there was a semantic issue here when you used the term they, and then we had everyone sit up and be like, can we use the English language?
01:02:35.000Let's just keep going with the conversation here, team.
01:02:53.000At this time, we usually go to super chats.
01:02:55.000Right before that, I'll give you a nod and you can go and do whatever you need to talk about.
01:02:59.000No, but then it would have, we would have, like, I would, like, there's things that I need to bring up and other people need to bring up that that's counter to some of their ideas that need to be talked about.
01:03:07.000He didn't want to have a conversation.
01:03:09.000He thought he was gonna come in here and be able to say whatever he wanted, uninterrupted and unimpeded, and no one would question him.
01:03:34.000And we talked about it and they were like, you think Ye's gonna be happy that you're coming out right away and being like, I denounce what you say.
01:03:40.000And I'm like, everybody knows what he said.
01:03:43.000Anybody honest knows I think it's bad.
01:03:48.000And you know what I said, I wanna talk about how you've succeeded in business.
01:03:51.000Because we were talking earlier and one of the people who work here said, Ye's been able to go into every industry that's rejected him and flip it on its head and sort of take over.
01:04:59.000A logical person says, well, they robbed my house.
01:05:03.000Is there a big difference between someone pointing to all white males being responsible for their problems to what other people making those statements as well?
01:07:00.000Like, that was one of the things I was really excited about was to, like, have you pull up the stories about, like, what's going on with the World Cup and hearing, you know, Ye respond to them.
01:07:08.000Because again, if he is I'm sorry to do this.
01:07:13.000I don't know a ton about his positions on things, so it really would have been interesting to hear someone who is potentially pursuing the office like that give his perspective because I'm sure they're interesting.
01:08:45.000We got a segment for First Thing Tomorrow Morning from Breitbart.com.
01:08:49.000Kanye, canceled by Kanye, walks out of Tim Pool interview and asks to defend his anti-Semitism.
01:08:56.000I mean the bias is evident. But like here's the crazy thing about it. I was like letting him speak
01:09:04.000about it. I said okay if that's what... so some people are like Tim you know you should you should
01:09:08.000have just let him speak and Tim only wanted to talk about Trump because Trump's a safe subject
01:09:12.000and he was scared about being banned and I'm like we said okay we're gonna talk about it.
01:09:16.000Right. Let him start talking about it. See we also... You also were like defend your anti-semitism.
01:09:21.000That wasn't what you asked me to do. No no no it would have been a...
01:09:24.000It would have been a conversation that would have exchanged different ideas.
01:09:28.000There were different ideas coming from different points of view here that obviously would have clashed.
01:09:33.000The audience could have decided which idea is better.
01:09:36.000Me and Tim were sitting here with some of, let's be honest here, some of the smartest, most intelligent, most We came here for that conversation.
01:09:44.000in the entire political, social industry, and we were ready to have a conversation.
01:09:49.000We were ready to challenge our beliefs, their beliefs, and to come up with a discourse.
01:09:55.000We came here for that conversation, the other side left.
01:11:28.000I think the first time we had him on, and he and I argued about the election, I said Trump got anti-elected because people assumed that Biden's approval rating, the enthusiasm for Biden was so low he couldn't possibly win, but somehow did.
01:11:42.000And I said, but did you look at the polls showing enthusiasm against Trump?
01:11:46.000It was higher than enthusiasm for Trump, according to some pollsters.
01:11:50.000And then Bannon was like, yeah, I like that.
01:12:12.000But, you know, Ye had two people in his corner that are working with him that are also, how do I say this, Master debaters that could talk about these subjects.
01:12:48.000Milo was really interesting when he was on the show and some people have said it's like one of the, like some high profile individuals reached out and said that was one of the best shows I've ever seen.
01:12:55.000It's really interesting to hear his thoughts.
01:12:57.000Someone pointed out, Robert Spencer in Super Chat said, Milo is purposely making Ye look bad because he really wants Trump to win.
01:14:53.000Yeah, I don't like people who blame their problems on groups of people.
01:14:58.000Like, when Occupy Wall Street did it with the 1%, I said, I mentioned this earlier, like, you've got wealthy individuals backing you.
01:15:06.000You've got, obviously, people who blame Jewish people, you've got people who blame white people, and I'm like, man, stop blaming everybody else for your problem and roll up your sleeves and chop some lumber, work hard.
01:15:16.000You know, I was mentioning this earlier, I talked to a, I was talking to a woke dude, years ago and he said people don't understand what it's like growing up being like a brown-skinned like hispanic dude in this country where all the billboards and everything are white people every move you see is white people who am i supposed to look up to so we look up to people in other countries we look to people who look like us and my response was i think it's unfortunate that you need that you see race as a thing you need is a requirement for what you need to look up to but i do understand you have a family
01:16:59.000Like, you can't say that if someone is against me, it's a specific group of people, and if we're winning, it's because God is here with us.
01:17:08.000Either you as an individual, regardless of race, gender, orientation, identity, can succeed, or you think everyone is underneath the boot of some group of people.
01:17:19.000So what role do you think identitarian thinking has on the American public?
01:17:24.000Because I do think the points about like we isolate certain racial votes, we use them as blocks to win.
01:17:32.000Identity politics and identitarianism aren't necessarily the same, they overlap.
01:17:35.000Identitarianism is government based on identity.
01:17:38.000So I should be careful about how I say that and I should probably try to clarify better.
01:17:43.000If you think that You are inhibited in any way, or I should say, if you believe it is impossible because of your identity, then it is a disservice.
01:18:11.000It is their perseverance, their willingness to work really, really hard.
01:18:15.000I think the problem with identitarianism or identity grievance politics is that you start to believe you can't succeed because of immutable characteristics, seek to blame another group of people, and then you get chaos and violence.
01:18:27.000And that's what we see with, you know, from Occupy to the Antifa to the BLM stuff.
01:18:32.000Black Lives Matter going on protesting calling black people white supremacists.
01:18:36.000I'm like, you see where the ideology is bankrupt?
01:18:39.000So you get Candace Owens, who's a black woman who has conservative opinions, and they call her a white supremacist.
01:18:45.000It's like, okay, your race-based politics are bankrupt.
01:18:49.000They claim that Luke, being Polish, is a person of color, and we joke about it all the time because Luke is a white, blue-eyed, blonde-haired man.
01:18:57.000But there's a problem with generalizations.
01:18:59.000There's always exceptions to the rules.
01:19:01.000And I think when you speak in over generalizations, whether you're blaming one particular race or all particular white men for your problems, you're just being intellectually lazy.
01:19:10.000I think there could be a real discussion to be had on a lot of very powerful people, on a lot of very bad people.
01:19:16.000But once you just start making lazy generalizations, you hurt yourself and you hurt the major claims that you're making, because you're also going after innocent people.
01:19:24.000You're also going after people who have nothing to do with your ills or your problems.
01:19:29.000You're going after people who, of course, aren't the source of your problem, and you're just pointing fingers at them, which is not fair.
01:19:40.000This is why the conversation with Kanye needed to occur, because I don't necessarily think that he is just making lazy generalizations to blame a group of people for his problems.
01:19:51.000His problems are not ordinary problems that ordinary people face.
01:19:57.000And to the extent that we still operate on a meritocratic system, that is how Kanye became the success story that he is.
01:20:05.000But I think that he's trying to point out ways that his success is now being used against him, and he feels like he's being used as an instrument or a cog in a much larger machine.
01:20:17.000He doesn't know what to call it, maybe, or uh he's not impugning it for the right reasons but that machine does need to be investigated and talked about it that didn't happen tonight and that's what's so unfortunate about it there was just like
01:20:35.000There was too much miscommunication for that to happen.
01:20:39.000He said at the beginning of the interview, it's like, I'm, I'm not allowed, like, they can lump together the black vote, but I can't lump together this group's vote or what, you know, something to that extent.
01:20:51.000I do think that we I've always believed that Americans are extremely uncomfortable talking about race and that makes it almost impossible to make any progress on that front because you are so afraid of saying the wrong thing and that's what I think would have been maybe the best outcome of this conversation is to get someone else's perspective who right now is willing to take a huge risk.
01:21:16.000I know what you're saying like definitely there are people who are willing to blame their problems on you know everything's out to get me this is by you know this is the system is is rooted for me to fail but I also think that there are I think the way we view race has creeped so much into our government that we do have systems that specifically are designed to lift people up and unfortunately can make the playing field unlevel and hurt some groups of people.
01:21:44.000I don't think that we're able to fundamentally unpack how we view race in this culture because it's become kind of a left-wing taboo.
01:21:57.000I want to, I want to, yeah, Grant, come, hop in, brother.
01:21:59.000So here's, here's, I want to, I want to tell you.
01:22:01.000They were, uh, Nick was afraid of your crystal rocks, by the way.
01:22:04.000He was like, please, someone move these rocks for me, please.
01:22:07.000Before the show, when we were all talking, I would, like, Kanye would be in the middle of an idea, and I would be nodding along, and I would put up a few fingers.
01:22:16.000This is what I do when I signal, like, I've got a thing to say.
01:22:19.000Like, people often say, like, you know, Tim interrupts all the time.
01:22:22.000I do, but, you know, it's a show where we do cut each other off.
01:22:28.000But I often do, I'll hold my hand up and, like, nod along, like, either because we got to change the subject, go on to a new segment, or go to Super Chats.
01:22:35.000When I would do that, Ye would immediately stop and be like, you want to say something?
01:22:56.000And he works off tone like big time tone and in a room like this with six people when one person asked somebody else a question and then the third person answers and then everyone's like that's why he was thinking of seven things at once at that right before he got up and walked out.
01:23:09.000So it's just a different way to communicate.
01:23:11.000Yeah, I think you're totally right in this room.
01:23:13.000It's very hard to sometimes tell like it can feel like someone's not on your side more than they actually are or there's more tension maybe because people get animated and then you have to look over here and then the screen changes like you've been doing this show for a long time at this point like i know you probably feel that too and like you can't totally get the rhythm because at any time someone else is going to jump in free yeah it's like being a tornado a lot of times a really enjoyable tornado but if you're not used to it
01:23:40.000That's why it's confusing to hear him compare it to the Lex Friedman podcast, because that's one-on-one.
01:23:44.000You're talking for nearly four hours together.
01:23:47.000You have complete and utter freedom to say whatever you want.
01:23:51.000But then this is supposed to be a conversation that pinballs around.
01:23:57.000I feel like what he was saying is he was expecting to be, I guess, scripted questions or some kind of narrative or something else that was beneath what was happening or ulterior.
01:24:26.000Well, that's why I'm like, when people are like, they staged it, I'm like, okay, maybe, think about this, as I stated earlier, if they stayed on the show and said things that everyone already knew they thought, what's the story?
01:24:38.000If they get up and storm out, the story was put up on the internet with a minute of it happening, yay, storms out of interview.
01:24:44.000And they never got their ideas challenged or questioned.
01:25:04.000The moment we got into the point of any kind of adversarial questioning, they were done and they walked out.
01:25:10.000They didn't have to have their ideas challenged, but they got the PR.
01:25:14.000I feel like the human race right now is coming together with the internet, and we're just at this weird stage of our evolution where you get these really different people.
01:25:24.000If we're going to survive and create American republicanism and freedom and stuff, we have to work with people that we do not understand or like sometimes.
01:26:34.000I mean, I think one of the things is Mile has been on the show before, so hopefully he would have familiarized Kanye with like the format and maybe that was just not like lost in translation.
01:28:11.000And I think, you know, more and more you're seeing a lot of parallels from the left on the right.
01:28:18.000So, you know, a lot of the wokeness, a lot of the blaming everything on generalizations, a lot of the kind of more emotional-based aspects, a lot of the The kind of ways that people handle themselves asking for more government intervention.
01:28:33.000I think it's almost directly the same in a lot of instances.
01:28:37.000And I think that's a fair critique that needs to be criticized, especially with people calling for more government, especially people who are trying to blame everything on one particular group.
01:28:47.000I think more than ever we need conversation.
01:29:23.000I'm talking about a very specific issue that I think is worth mentioning now because, again, there are a lot of parallels between the left and the right.
01:29:30.000They're essentially calling for the same thing, acting the same way, and representing them the same way.
01:29:35.000Now, you women go squawk at each other.
01:30:03.000Harley Pasternak, the Canadian Psychological Operations.
01:30:06.000Dave Chappelle essentially warning on Oprah what he went through seems like exactly what Kanye went through, and this is what Ye went through, and this is why I specifically brought up him being institutionalized because I think there's a
01:30:21.000bigger conversation to be had with this Canadian military guy who worked in psychological
01:30:26.000operations that is one of the bigger players in Hollywood.
01:30:30.000I think there's a bigger conversation to have about that.
01:30:32.000There's a bigger conversation to have about Balenciaga and all the occult secret stuff
01:30:36.000that they've been kind of showing to the point where they have now deleted their Instagram and their Twitter.
01:30:42.000I think there's a bigger conversation to have about, you know, JPMorgan and Chase and Jeffrey Epstein.
01:30:47.000So these were the issues that I really wanted to get into because I thought they were extremely important to highlight the larger parallels of what he's warning about to how other people have been affected by.
01:30:57.000And when I brought up the meds before, Specifically, I think it's worth talking about because when you look at the text message that he released between himself and Harley Pasternak, who essentially looks like he was the one that institutionalized him because he was at his home, he's the one that was threatening to drug him and to put him in zombie land forever.
01:31:20.000to the point where playing with his children wasn't going to be the same ever again.
01:31:24.000That was a huge threat made against Ye, right?
01:31:26.000This is why I think it's important to talk about SSRIs, psychotropics, all the drugs, especially with the way that they have affected individuals like Jordan Peterson, to think that these drugs that Big Pharma gives out like they're just candy, doesn't have any long-term mental effects, I think, is a conversation that should be had.
01:31:48.000It shouldn't be a controversial one, since clearly there's a link there.
01:31:51.000Why do you think people are afraid to talk about this?
01:31:53.000Ian, you might have views on this too.
01:31:54.000Like, why do you think SSRIs or, you know, they call them mood-stabilizing drugs or whatever, like, why do you think people are so afraid to discuss that?
01:32:02.000There's a huge big pharma industry that has their money in their hands and everywhere that I think is worth criticizing, that I think is worth talking about, and this is why I wanted to bring up this conversation.
01:32:11.000Do you feel the same way about, like, lithium or anti-psychotic drugs as you do about SSRIs?
01:32:17.000Because there's a far bigger portion of the population taking SSRIs than antipsychotic medication.
01:33:10.000You've always been interested in wellness ever since I've known you.
01:33:13.000Have you ever wanted to study medicine in any serious capacity?
01:33:16.000Well, yeah, I don't think you need licenses or permission to study anything.
01:33:20.000I've been looking into a lot of the scientific studies.
01:33:22.000When Dr. Drew was on, we talked about Paxilvid.
01:33:26.000I thought that was a very interesting, important conversation to have, and I think I've held my weight when it came to debating a lot of those very important, controversial ideas.
01:33:34.000But, again, everyone has their own decision.
01:33:37.000And this is what me and Ye were talking about when we first saw each other.
01:34:30.000I'm going to have to piggyback off what you're saying, Luke, about Kanye maybe having stress, or Ye, sorry buddy, having stress.
01:34:35.000I don't know if it's fair to kind of speculate, but I think it's fair to have that discussion based off what happened to him, those text messages, and how the industry tries to control people with these psychotropic drugs, and has tried to do it with Dave Chappelle, who on record came out and said, there was people running around me saying that I was crazy trying to get me to take these big pharma drugs.
01:34:57.000He escaped to Africa and literally ran away from $50 million in a contract because he felt like he was going to be forcefully drugged by people in the industry that are trying to control him and trying to feminize him and dress him up as a little girl.
01:35:10.000There's a big difference between taking drug and being drugged.
01:35:14.000I have a very close friend that was drugged.
01:35:16.000He still has post-traumatic stress from the experience.
01:35:18.000It's not just the memory of the woe, the walls are moving around.
01:35:25.000And that can follow someone for years.
01:35:28.000So I think that conversation could be had.
01:35:31.000I'd like to talk to Kanye about... I mean, if we were going deep one night about our past and stuff and you're like, do you have post-traumatic stress?
01:36:16.000I wanna announce, you know, we were gonna have a members-only show, which I guess we don't have, but We do still have a members-only segment with them.
01:36:28.000So we had a crew go out and film them on their journey here, and then I guess what they were doing before they got here, I'm assuming they filmed them on the way out?
01:36:38.000So we'll have at least that up, I suppose.
01:36:41.000But let's read some of these superchats.
01:36:45.000And I'll try and read as many people who like and don't like me.
01:36:47.000People are saying we should have talked about fish sticks.
01:37:29.000I don't think that there was ever going to be a real campaign, but, like, I'm on camera saying that that's my prediction, and if I'm wrong, then clip me.
01:37:45.000You think the words instead of say them.
01:37:46.000When you look at someone in the eyes and your body language does the speaking for you, even if they don't understand your English or whatever, if they're Chinese, it still is the form of really legit communication.
01:37:57.000TheRebelliousGrizzlyBear says, Hey TimCastCrew, people who only want to have a one-sided conversation don't belong in politics.
01:38:04.000How can things really change without having a back and forth?
01:38:06.000This is a major problem in politics today.
01:38:44.000Hey, I said I'd read ones that were not fond of me either.
01:38:55.000It's funny because people are like, Tim wants to be the smartest guy in the room and he's got a big ego, but I'll literally read you insulting me and I'll have on a whole bunch of other people who are either in different areas more knowledgeable than I am. And I'll
01:39:07.000give a special shout out to Seamus Coghlan, who I argued with, adamant that I was correct about what
01:39:12.000abortion was, specifically on the legal side, and Seamus told me I was
01:39:15.000wrong. Turned out to be right, and then I had to apologize to him later, saying I was
01:39:18.000completely wrong about that. You were right.
01:39:20.000I had the legal definition totally incorrect. So that's the reason why you have other people on.
01:40:07.000Ghost Crusader says you should have pre-recorded the interview, Tim.
01:40:10.000You did nothing wrong, but I think Milo showed him the episode with you and Milo, and Ye thought it was going to be like that, where he can just keep talking.
01:41:28.000What's his position on Julian Assange?
01:41:31.000I think he also talked about a UBI, universal basic income, that he wants to... I've only ever heard him refer to, like, the utopia he wants to build, but I don't know what that means.
01:41:45.000When we had Milo on a couple weeks ago for the first 15 minutes, I kept seeing Tim put his hand up, gesturing like he's gonna respond, and it was impossible, and Milo kept going like a steamroller.
01:43:27.000Have you guys ever had that phenomenon where it's you and two other people, and then like the two other people start talking at you, and they're both kind of giving you like their...
01:43:36.000It's like immediate defensive mode for me when I have that and there's three of us and I'm like, whoa, hold on, you're both coming at me now.
01:43:43.000I bet the essence of that creeps into people around here because it's a big show and then the energy moves so quick around here.
01:43:49.000That's why I wish that the subject matter could have been something, like, lighter at some points.
01:43:54.000Like, I would have loved to hear Kanye's—sorry, Ye's—thoughts about— I'm contagious.
01:43:58.000—about fashion or about entertainment or about religion, any number of things, without derailing instantly to Yeah, it's like, let's get the car out of the mud before we start.
01:44:13.000I wish you guys had recorded that pre-show.
01:44:19.000We should have recorded the previous conversation that we had.
01:44:23.000It was actually a really interesting, normal conversation.
01:44:25.000It happens all the time in the pre-show.
01:44:28.000And he's a beautiful dude, Kanye, a human.
01:44:30.000Like, when you make eye contact with him and see his soul, he's a normal, like a really Good guy.
01:44:35.000They were talking about are some sins more sinful than others and then Ye asked Milo about like a specific saint or like some certain passages and I'm like but we were like we like get up we're grabbing water and like we're changing the lights and we're doing the cameras so we usually just don't record it.
01:44:50.000Do you think like I mean he's done other roundtable type interviews like is there anything else about this situation that you think like you were saying before like it feels more tense than maybe it is you don't have someone who's maybe It was really cold in here.
01:45:03.000That might have something to do with it.
01:45:04.000But he did have a jacket on, where he keeps his secrets.
01:46:09.000And if you need to go to medical school to become a doctor.
01:46:12.000I would pose that maybe come end times, Luke is our new city doctor.
01:46:17.000Luke had pointed out how Kanye may have been stressed since they had basically drugged him when they had taken him to the hospital.
01:46:23.000And I thought there is also like a level of post-traumatic stress.
01:46:26.000If you've been drugged, it's different than taking a drug willingly.
01:46:29.000Armani says, Tim says we have to treat people like individuals when ye refer to certain people, yet Tim never stepped in when Seamus or anyone else has gone on a homophobic tirade calling us degenerates, and that is 100% not true.
01:46:41.000In fact, I argue a lot about it to the point where some people yell at me, like when we were talking about trans people and Dylan Mulvaney, and then I was saying like, These weird trolls do not represent trans people.
01:47:23.000And, you know, let's just read some more.
01:47:27.000Alright, Mission says, Tim, can't we just chuck it up that this was an unfortunate situation, not a setup, not your bad on questions, just an unfortunate set of circumstances.
01:47:34.000It's just disappointing that Ye responded that way.
01:50:53.000And then he gets in touch with certain others who are like, no, no, you were right the first time, and then start agreeing with him and, you know, telling him yes.
01:51:00.000And then he says, okay, but then he can't actually back those ideas up because there's nothing behind them.
01:51:07.000Wait a minute, don't conflate Rothschild's banking empire with Judaism, that's for sure.
01:51:14.000I like the way you say that, like it's your personal slogan.
01:51:32.000I mean, I've said it a hundred times tonight, but I am just sad that we didn't get the opportunity to have Ye explain both his views on this issue, but also what I really want to know is what are your platforms?
01:51:44.000If you're seeking political office, I want to know what your stance is.
01:51:48.000When Ye brought up who he has an issue with, When he brought up this grievance political position, Milo said it's the hypocrisy that people are tired of.
01:52:00.000Why are they allowed to say one group of people but not another group of people?
01:52:04.000If that's his position for Ye 24, Trump's got nothing to worry about.
01:52:08.000If Ye came on this platform and said Trump knew who Fuentes was, Trump was all about it.
01:54:14.000One thing that I did ask him about, like as we're getting ready for the show, there's a post going around that's purportedly from Milo talking about how the United States needs to put Christian interests above Jewish interests.
01:54:25.000And Milo, he didn't get a chance to talk about it.
01:54:26.000Like, this is what I wanted to talk about.
01:56:15.000If an interviewer is intellectually dishonest and not willing to engage in a real conversation, I think that you're understandably going to disengage, right?
01:56:28.000I mean, I don't think that that was the case with you.
01:57:05.000When Yeh was talking about how you can say the black vote, but you can't say Jewish people are doing this thing, it's like, whoa, hold on there a minute.
01:57:11.000Jewish people also, in New York City, for instance, Well, actually, I shouldn't say New York City because the wave of crime has changed things, but they do create demographics based on Jewish people.
01:57:23.000Like, they do have a Jewish demographic based on voting and voting preferences.
01:57:27.000I lived in Bed-Stuy, and it was a very, very strong, deep, Hasidic community, and their politics were very I don't know what the right word is, but like, unique to that area, is the right way to say it, I suppose.
01:57:43.000When there were protests over certain issues, it was this one, like COVID lockdown.
01:57:46.000They were protesting specifically them.
01:57:47.000You could point out, Jewish people in New York are protesting.
01:59:28.000I mean, that's a big mistake on my part.
01:59:30.000But let them know beforehand, of course.
01:59:32.000If you had let them know, then it would have changed the whole vibe.
01:59:36.000But it's so weird that when the cameras were not rolling, the conversation was calm and about faith, philosophy.
01:59:42.000And when we got into the stuff about, you know, like when I said, I know it's going to come up, I'll push back.
01:59:47.000They said, we want to talk about the Christian values that need to be restored in this country.
01:59:51.000And I was like, well, that's interesting.
01:59:52.000But then instantly it devolves into, I am going to make these assertions and demand that no one actually ask any questions about it.
01:59:59.000I gotta ask Ye this question, but I wonder if there's a difference between doing a show pre-recorded where there's six of us listening to it, or doing one live where there's 50,000 people, 100,000 people.
02:00:08.000Also, if that energy of those 100,000 people was heightening the situation.
02:00:12.000Because at one point, I looked down at my keyboard and kind of lost track.
02:00:16.000And that was when Kanye was like, it was that exact moment that Kanye was like, I don't remember why I brought up kids.
02:00:22.000I was like, God, I just lost track of it, and then so did he.
02:00:25.000That was one of my favorite moments, when he's like, yeah, sometimes I'm just thinking about seven things, and I was like, I 100% relate to you right now.
02:01:22.000And this is why I believe in free speech.
02:01:24.000Because I genuinely thought they were going to try to have something to talk about.
02:01:27.000And if the only thing they can talk about is that they hate a group of people or they're concerned, I shouldn't say it like that, they're concerned a group of people have it out for them.
02:02:18.000The black vote is a handful of working class, poor, wealthy, basically every single individual and the tendencies they have towards voting.
02:02:26.000When Kanye is talking about Jewish people, he's not talking about cultural identity, politics, conservatism, tendencies to vote liberal or otherwise.
02:02:34.000He's saying, because there's a handful of powerful, wealthy people who happen to be Jewish, it is Jewish people who have it out for me.
02:02:40.000And I'm like, yo, like, my guy and my employee who are downstairs and are very Jewish, they actually like your music, they're fans, they just don't like what you're saying about them.
02:02:50.000They don't have it out for you at all.
02:03:08.000They are very religious, they are conservative, they tend to vote these certain ways.
02:03:11.000If you're gonna say that there are a lot of liberal Jewish people in New York that tend to vote this way, yeah, that's called the demographic.
02:03:17.000If you're gonna come out and say that BLM is all black people and they're the ones causing the riots, you're wrong.
02:03:22.000Because Black Lives Matter is actually a bunch of white people.
02:03:24.000Like, I hate that people are, uh, you, like, I just put it that, look, man, I'm in Portland, and I'm watching the Proud Boys march, and I'm looking at Antifa.
02:03:33.000Antifa is a bunch of white people screaming racial slurs at a black Proud Boy.
02:03:40.000And they call the Proud Boys white supremacists.
02:03:42.000And I've told this story before, the black Proud Boy got angry, and he took it personally, and he went to cross the street, crossed the line between the cops, and a white, white Proud Boy stopped him, And said, stop!
02:05:43.000I say it all the time, like, I have friends who are leftists and people are like, Tim's lying, it's not true.
02:05:47.000I'm like, no, dude, it's literally true.
02:05:49.000When that tweet went viral where I said that there was a grooming thing at Club Q and that we need to prevent the violence but also stop grooming, they tried claiming that I was promoting Like, this is a funny thing.
02:06:00.000They're like spamming my Wikipedia trying to claim I endorsed this or condone it.
02:06:03.000I'm like, yo, my tweet thread was literally like, stop advocating for violence against people, even the people you hate the most.
02:06:09.000We need law enforcement to handle these things.
02:06:12.000They take it completely out of context.
02:06:13.000When I said that, I have leftist friends who are like, bro, how could you tweet that?
02:06:16.000And I had to talk to them and argue with them and be like, guys, you know that's not what I'm saying.
02:06:20.000And they're like, yeah, but the way it came off.
02:06:38.000I think we already went around in circles a couple times.
02:06:41.000Yeah, I feel like all I have to say is what I've said at least 57 times, which is like, R.A.P., this really interesting conversation that could have been.