Action4Canada - A4C Special Guests Maxime Bernier and Aaron Rock

00:00:00.000 fantastic. And now we are ready to open up the floodgates. Lord, let them come in.

00:00:10.000 All right.

00:00:32.680 Hey, how are you? Hey, Maxime, great to see you. It's nice that you joined us a little earlier.

00:00:39.820 We're expecting you in a few minutes, but that's fantastic. We just opened it up for the pastors

00:00:46.640 to join us. Yeah. And so we're looking forward to you connecting and delivering your views and

00:00:54.900 message. And so we're going to give a few minutes, Maxime, for the pastors to come on board. And

00:01:01.560 this is a culmination of pastors, church staff. The message to them was open our churches. Now,

00:01:08.860 what's wonderful is that we were doing a little bit of research and there are some 35 megachurches

00:01:16.120 across Canada. And a megachurch is anywhere from 1800 to over that, as far as the attendance.

00:01:24.640 And we had one of our pastoral support go on and do a little bit of due diligence and research. And

00:01:30.680 of those 35 megachurches, there are 20 that have now fully opened. Praise God.

00:01:39.340 That's some really, really encouraging numbers. We are all about supporting our pastors and their

00:01:45.740 church staff and their leadership to open, uncompromising and without restraint and restriction.

00:01:53.180 And so we are so happy to hear that. There are still some churches where there are some limiting

00:01:58.840 factors in the context of how many are allowed to come into the house of the Lord.

00:02:05.420 And so, but we were happy to hear that the 20 of 35 have fully opened. And this is, you know,

00:02:12.360 kind of a percentage where we're hoping across Canada for the other churches, because there's

00:02:17.460 thousands of them. And unfortunately, up until the removal of, you know, the new, you know,

00:02:25.700 stipulations that allowing for worship in the house of the Lord, there was only, to our knowledge,

00:02:32.140 around 100 to 150 churches that had remained fully open. And during some level of, you know,

00:02:38.840 fines, ticketing, and, you know, church shutdowns, etc. We're going to hear a little bit later on from

00:02:45.340 Pastor Aaron Rock, a true legend and hero of the faith. And, and he's going to share his testimony

00:02:52.940 about how he would not compromise and how God has blessed him in his stance. So we're truly grateful.

00:03:02.120 We'll give a couple more minutes for people to join. And so, hello, everyone, whether you're pastor,

00:03:09.920 church staff, or, or just join us to, to hear from our, our political Canada, hopeful for Canada's

00:03:19.340 future. And so, Maxime Bernier, we're so excited to have him on board. And he's going to share in a few

00:03:26.240 minutes about his, his passions and his views, and where he stands. And so we're excited to,

00:03:34.080 to have him come on board, Aaron Rock will join us a little bit later on. But before we get into and

00:03:42.400 just give Tani an opportunity as founder of Action for Canada to say a few words before Maxime comes

00:03:48.340 on board, I want to give Ken Gilliard, pastor in Atlantic Canada, the opportunity to open us up in

00:03:56.540 prayer, and commit our time before the Lord. And then we'll get into it. So Pastor Ken, would you

00:04:02.840 open us up in prayer? Father, we just thank you, Lord, that you've given us this ability to reach

00:04:15.740 out and contact each other. Lord, we just, just call upon your word that says, man makes his plans,

00:04:25.540 but the Lord directs his path. And God, that's what I pray for each and everyone on this call,

00:04:30.080 including all the politicians involved, Lord, that you would direct their path.

00:04:36.080 We want to see your kingdom come and your will be done in Jesus name. Amen.

00:04:41.240 Amen. Amen. And so without further ado, we want to introduce Tanya Gah, the founder of Action for

00:04:47.280 Canada. It's been such a privilege and blessing to work with her these past six months. And I'm just

00:04:54.020 honored to be a part of her team as pastoral support lead. Well, thank you, Ron, and welcome,

00:05:00.120 everyone. We're excited to be able to put these meetings on every two weeks. Action for Canada

00:05:05.280 launched a campaign back in October, saying that church is essential, freedom of religion is

00:05:10.540 essential. And, you know, we saw that the what lockdowns were coming, a lot of people, I think,

00:05:15.960 didn't understand how far this was going to go. And then in December, particularly here in BC,

00:05:21.560 Bonnie Henry had put a complete shutdown on the churches, as we all say, as Costco is open and

00:05:27.680 the liquor stores and everything else. It's nonsensical. It is obviously an attack against

00:05:34.120 the church in Canada, because everything based on faith is what this country was founded on.

00:05:39.380 And therefore, that is our freedoms and democracies. That's core. And it has been an amazing

00:05:44.980 opportunity. What the devil meant for harm, God is using for good. Because for a long time,

00:05:50.460 we've been told that this nation was secular, that this nation was multicultural. But secularism is

00:05:56.520 one small step away from tyranny. And we're experiencing that because once Trudeau got in,

00:06:01.040 he says, we're no longer, you know, a Christian nation, we're a post national state with no core

00:06:06.500 identity. And you can better believe we cannot exist without an identity. And he's filling it with

00:06:11.540 communism. And he has used under the guise of COVID, he has catapulted communism into this country.

00:06:17.900 He has used our armed forces in our RCMP to hold us back in order to implement all these

00:06:23.660 crazy orders that, you know, have caused our elderly to suffer immeasurable, immeasurable, cruel,

00:06:30.740 cruel. I want I hardly have words for this. Actually, I was writing about this last night as well.

00:06:37.440 The extent of the of the cruelty towards our elderly has has been off the charts isolating in these

00:06:44.840 homes, not allowing family members to come and visit them, then being forced to die alone,

00:06:49.260 the cruelty of total isolation caught in your own thoughts, your thoughts of a lifetime.

00:06:55.440 And you know, where you deserve to have your loved ones there, they worked in this country,

00:06:59.660 they provided everything that we are benefiting from today. And we need to fight for them.

00:07:05.540 We need to fight for our youth. But we need to fight for the church. And we've been doing that for

00:07:10.320 many, many months, and trying to get the leaders of the church to understand what's actually going

00:07:16.720 on. We've got lots of amazing resources on our web page that I hope that you will look into if you if

00:07:22.180 you have not already, we welcome you if you haven't joined Action for Canada, if you got this link from

00:07:27.120 somebody else, we'll put a join link in the in the chat that you can access at the bottom. If you hover

00:07:33.760 over the bottom, the chat option will come up. And yeah, I'm grateful to be here. I'm super pleased.

00:07:38.960 We've been double blessed. We had Maxime on last night in a meeting with our group. And here he is

00:07:43.780 today. So I'm very much looking forward to hearing from you, Maxime. So Ron, did you want to do that?

00:07:50.740 That's awesome. So without further ado, we want to welcome Maxime to share your views and the audience

00:08:00.180 that you're sharing with. They are also the catalyst to connect with their congregations and the body of

00:08:07.400 Christ Jesus. And so we are happy to support you and we encourage you and just we got a taste of your

00:08:16.260 passion and your zeal and your fervor and what you stand for. And it's it's really infectious. And so

00:08:22.660 we look forward to hearing from you, Maxime. So you have the floor.

00:08:27.760 Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Tanya. I'm very pleased. And it's an honor for me to be here to be with you.

00:08:35.900 And, you know, we started that fight for freedom a long time ago. And I want to congratulate you for

00:08:43.520 Action for Canada and other groups also that know that it's important to fight for our freedoms.

00:08:50.140 I started that more than 30, 30 months ago when I did a video and I said no more lockdowns. We must

00:08:58.640 reopen our businesses. We must be able to go back to church. And and now we're still in these kind of

00:09:07.020 lockdowns. Actually, today in the news in Quebec and French, the premier Legault said that we will have

00:09:15.060 a vaccine passport the 1st of September for people who decided not to have that vaccine.

00:09:23.480 So it would be two kinds of citizens in Quebec with different rights. So that's why, you know,

00:09:32.920 that fight for me was essential, because when I created the People's Party of Canada, as you may know,

00:09:40.200 I was a conservative. I did run for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada in 2017. I didn't

00:09:48.400 win with 49% of the vote. I tried to work with the establishment of the Conservative Party, Mr. Andrew

00:09:56.720 Scheer and the establishment, because our ideas were very popular. Actually, that was the real

00:10:02.620 conservative values and ideas. And in the end, Andrew Scheer said that they won't take any ideas

00:10:10.900 coming from me. And I was speaking for myself. So I decided in August 2018 to resign. And we created

00:10:21.280 the People's Party of Canada. We had our first election in 2019. And we had 1.6% of the vote. 300,000

00:10:30.460 people voted for us. And if I compare that with the Green Party of Canada, it took them 20 years and

00:10:37.540 six elections to have more than 1.6% of the vote. And we did that in our first year. And now we may

00:10:45.060 have an election, I believe this fall, and we'll be ready. The People's Party will be ready. We will

00:10:50.960 have a candidate in every riding. I think it's important. We want to give the opportunity to

00:10:55.960 every Canadian to be able to vote for their values for the People's Party. And actually,

00:11:01.040 we will run on the same platform. We will run on the same platform than the last election,

00:11:08.160 because we're not a traditional political party. We are doing politics differently. We don't do

00:11:15.280 polling and survey and focus group to know what you want to hear and after that to repeat it.

00:11:20.980 The platform that we had that was based on four principles, individual freedom, personal

00:11:27.760 responsibility, respect, and fairness. And all our policies are in line with these principles.

00:11:34.600 So it would be the same platform that the one we had in 2019. And if we have another election in four

00:11:42.900 years, that would be the same platform, because we have a vision of this country based on both the

00:11:49.260 reforms and based on freedom and personal responsibility. We want to put people first, Canada first, the

00:11:56.600 family first. And right now with the woke identity and doctrine out there with the cancel culture, with the

00:12:11.360 censorship on social media, and for me as a politician on mainstream media, we need to fight against

00:12:19.200 that. And that would be very important at the next campaign. We will focus our campaign on maybe five or

00:12:26.540 six policies, ending the lockdowns for sure, more freedom, less government, more autonomy to provincial

00:12:35.200 government, respecting the constitution, respecting taxpayers, being able to have a debate in Canada on a lot of

00:12:44.260 subjects. Like, you know, abortion, for me, it's important. We are the only country that doesn't have a

00:12:52.100 legislation on abortion. And we are like North Korea and China on that. I think it's not normal. You can have an abortion in

00:13:00.760 Canada just before giving birth. And that would be legal. So we need to we need to have a debate. And like I said, this

00:13:10.260 party is not a pro choice party or a pro life party, we will come pro life people in our party, we will come to debate. The party won't take

00:13:22.260 position on that. Because for us, it's a conscience issue. And that's important. We will have a free vote on all these kinds of issues, and that are

00:13:32.100 important. And it will be a free vote for everybody. And, and I think I'm welcoming the debate. Actually, I said that the last

00:13:42.140 campaign on abortion, because one of our candidate table bill, and she said, if you elect me, that was

00:13:49.720 Laura Lynn Thompson, she was running in Alberta. And she said, if you elect me, I'm against late term abortion. And this is my

00:13:59.540 four pages bill. And I had a question from a journalist after that. And he asked me as the leader of the

00:14:06.540 people's party, if it's my position, I said, first of all, the party doesn't have any position and won't have any

00:14:13.300 position. But my personal position on that bill is yes, I'm against late term abortion. And I said something

00:14:22.000 also about the sex selection abortion. I think we need to have a debate. It's too important. And on

00:14:29.520 that, but also we need to have a debate on immigration in this country. I spoke about

00:14:34.520 that at the last campaign, and people were saying that I was racist because of that. I can tell you

00:14:40.220 that I'm suing Kinsella that said that I will win that case for defamation. And the Conservative Party of

00:14:49.120 Canada paid him $22,000 a month to discredit the People's Party and myself. So I'm in court in Toronto,

00:14:56.800 I will win that. And that's important. But we need to be able to speak about immigration also,

00:15:02.620 we need to say that we need to have people that are coming here that are sharing our Canadian values,

00:15:08.360 our freedom, our equality before the law, equality between men and women. I think it's very important.

00:15:13.980 We need to have an interview with each of them. We need to have helping refugees. And I'm thinking about the

00:15:22.780 Christians that are persecuted in other countries. So that's important. And right now, we are opening our doors to

00:15:30.540 people that are not refugees, like the people who are crossing the Roxanne Road in Quebec illegally. And they claim that

00:15:38.900 they're a refugee, I don't think that if you come in from the state of New York, that your life is in

00:15:44.180 danger there. So we need to have a sustainable immigration, we need to have people that will come

00:15:51.240 here and integrate our society. So we are the only party that have that is ready to have a discussion on

00:15:57.480 immigration, with fewer immigrants, more skilled immigrants, more economic immigrants. And but we're

00:16:05.220 against mass immigration, I believe that 400,000 newcomers every year, it's too much. And we need to 1.00

00:16:14.020 have people that will come here and will be able to integrate to into our society. And we believe that

00:16:20.980 a maximum must be 150 years. Actually, if we have 150,000 newcomers a year, by capita, it would be the same 0.90

00:16:31.280 amount than the US and some European countries. So we cannot open our own arms to everybody. It's a

00:16:39.840 privilege to be Canadian, we need to have the discussion. So the People's Party is for a

00:16:45.200 sustainable immigration, real debate on on our culture, real debate on every subject, there's no taboo

00:16:54.240 subject for us, there's no political correctness. I'm speaking about what I believe in, I hope with

00:17:00.800 passion and conviction. And I like what I'm doing. I said when I quit the Conservative Party of Canada

00:17:07.680 in October, in August, sorry, 2018, that this party was morally and intellectually corrupt. And I think

00:17:15.600 that's true. We have another proof with Erin Moutoul that is not a conservative anymore, because the goal of

00:17:22.000 the Conservative Party of Canada is to be in government. And now you must admit, like me, that we are in a

00:17:28.560 socialist era, here in Canada, in North America, in Europe. And if you want to be in government, Erin Moutoul

00:17:36.720 is speaking like a liberal, because just an example on lockdowns, 65% of the population in Canada were in

00:17:45.200 favor of these lockdowns. That's why the Conservative Party, and the provincial opposition in every

00:17:52.800 province didn't speak against the lockdowns, because their role is to be in government, and they didn't

00:17:57.760 want to have 65% of the population against them. So we're doing politics differently, because we don't

00:18:04.240 try to please everybody. If you like what we are saying, I hope you will support us. If not, it's okay.

00:18:10.400 And that's why, you know, we will cut foreign aid, we will help Canadians first. So I'm asking you to 0.99

00:18:18.800 go on our website, the People's Party of Canada, read our platform. And our goal at the next election

00:18:24.720 is to grow our support. And I believe that you need our voice, and we need your vote. So if you want

00:18:33.280 to support us, if you believe in a real Western civilization values, and the foundation of our

00:18:39.440 society must be the family, and we must, everybody must be free, and we must help minority groups.

00:18:48.000 But for me, the real minority is the individual. So that's why we are speaking for all Canadians.

00:18:55.120 We don't play that game of racialized people and non-racialized people. You saw today that

00:19:02.320 Justin Trudeau wants to spend money in propaganda, you know, in different cities across the country, 0.59

00:19:09.680 to say to people that Canada is a systemic, we have a systemic racism in Canada, and Canada is a racist

00:19:17.440 country. It's not true. That's not true. So we're not racist, we must be proud to be Canadians.

00:19:24.480 And, you know, these two words, racialized people and non-racialized people, the first time I

00:19:32.160 hear that, that was a year ago. And now they are speaking to us as a Christian and non-Christian, 0.93

00:19:39.120 a racial person, a non-racial person, a part of a black or white. For me, it's not important. 0.58

00:19:50.000 We want to judge people by their character, like Mr. Luther King said. And we are doing politics for

00:19:59.280 all Canadians. That's a big difference. We won't pender to any special interest group. And if you

00:20:04.480 like what we are saying, I hope you will support us. Our goal is to grow our support. If we have four or

00:20:10.320 five percent at the next election, that would be great, because we will have a voice. I'm sure some of

00:20:16.720 our candidates will be elected, will be in parliament, will have a voice and will be able

00:20:21.200 to do this debate in the mainstream media. Now we're not. They're canceling us. So that's why it's

00:20:27.280 important. And like somebody told me from Alberta and BC, you know, voting for the Conservatives today,

00:20:34.080 it's a waste of your vote, because we know that Erin O'Toole won't win. And it's too bad that we may have

00:20:40.880 just stand to go for another four years, because I don't believe that I'll be prime minister after

00:20:46.160 the next election. But I believe that I will be reelected. I'll be in parliament, and I'll be

00:20:51.360 able to speak for you. I'll be able to speak for all Canadians about our values and what we believe in.

00:20:58.160 So that's an important election. And for the future of our society, for the future of our country,

00:21:04.400 and for us as a people, at People's Party of Canada, we believe in you, we believe in people,

00:21:10.640 we believe that you can do what you want to do in your life. And we have faith that you have the

00:21:17.200 ability, the dignity and the right to make your own decisions and determine your own destiny,

00:21:23.280 without having the federal government telling you what to do every day of your life. That's why we want

00:21:28.480 to have a smaller government that will respect the Constitution and respect taxpayers. That being

00:21:35.040 said, I want to have a discussion with you. I'll stop here, and I'll be pleased to answer some of your

00:21:41.600 questions.

00:21:46.080 Yes. Thank you, Maxime. That wonderfully delivered. And there are going to be some questions. I saw some

00:21:52.160 posted in the chats. I want to welcome you to look at your bottom tab. And when you do, you're going to

00:21:57.680 see to the far right reactions. So if you have a question for Mr. Maxime Bernier, please click on the

00:22:06.000 reactions and raise your hand. And then you can personally deliver that that question. If we don't

00:22:14.320 see you do that, then we'll try to monitor the questions that you have, so that we can have those

00:22:20.240 answered for you. So the first question we have here at Pastor Ken.

00:22:28.560 Good afternoon.

00:22:33.440 My question is on a touchy subject, so I want to make it very clear right from the start.

00:22:38.960 I'm not a member of any organization that would condemn anybody, but I don't believe the same

00:22:48.480 way that everybody believes. And, you know, years ago when Pierre Elliott Trudeau was in,

00:22:57.120 he was the Prime Minister, he said the government has no business in the bedrooms of Canadians.

00:23:05.840 And we've gone from that to everything that relates to God being kicked out of the schools,

00:23:13.120 kicked out of government, kicked out of society, to now everything that the LGBTQ promotes, 1.00

00:23:19.840 which again, I'm not condemning them. They have a choice to live the way they want to live.

00:23:26.320 But when their agenda gets pushed by government and gets pushed into society,

00:23:30.960 and gets pushed into the schools and gets pushed into the curriculums,

00:23:35.680 that's going to be the elephant in the room for this group here. Because, you know,

00:23:41.520 we are looking at Derek Sloan, we're looking at Maxine Bernier, and we're looking at who can best

00:23:47.600 represent us, and who has a chance. You know, and you say you may not be the Prime Minister,

00:23:54.480 I know the odds are against you, but we as Christians have had the odds against us

00:24:00.480 for centuries. And we believe in miracles. So, you know, I just, I just want to know,

00:24:08.800 you said you don't support any special interest groups. But it seems like every time a political

00:24:14.480 party forms, the LGBTQ gets very involved, so they can, in the background, continue to push an agenda on

00:24:22.800 people. And, you know, we see sidewalks now that are the Pride flag. But the next week,

00:24:30.880 if a Christian wanted to put a flag there, that would be totally opposed. If a Muslim group wanted 1.00

00:24:39.040 to do it, that would be totally opposed. If some other group wanted to be opposed. But it seems like

00:24:44.480 the government's just catering to the LGBTQ. They have a right to exist. God gives us choice and free

00:24:51.280 will. I totally agree. But I just see where they continue to push their agenda. And I want to,

00:24:57.440 I want to know where you stand on that. Yeah, thanks for your question. First,

00:25:02.640 we don't have any policies concerning them, because for us, they're Canadians. And that's a nice example

00:25:08.880 that we don't pender. I don't know what they will ask for the next election. Maybe they will ask

00:25:13.520 something for politicians, but that's the way we're doing politics. If you're a special interest group

00:25:18.480 like that, and you want something for us, you won't. Because we have policies that are

00:25:23.280 for all Canadians on our platform. And you can see that on our website. And we don't have any policies

00:25:29.200 for them. Because, you know, that's not, they represent less than 1% of the population in Canada.

00:25:37.200 Why having this huge debate about them? You know, if they're a minority, it's okay. But for us,

00:25:44.480 we are doing politics for everybody. So when I'm looking at them as a Canadians, and not as a gay

00:25:50.480 person or something like that. I'll give you an example. At the last campaign, a journalist called me

00:25:56.320 and called my team and said, you know, how many, how many gays do you have as candidate? How many black 0.78

00:26:04.000 people do you have as candidate? And we didn't answer the question. I was the only political

00:26:09.200 party not to answer. It's not important for me, if you gay or not gay or black or white, 0.78

00:26:15.520 for me, you're a Canadians. And, and that's your choice. If you want to live like that,

00:26:20.480 that's your choice. But if one of my member of parliament want to table a bill on any subject,

00:26:26.960 and that would be their, their, their right. And we'll have a debate about it. But actually,

00:26:33.680 that's why we won't pander to them. And I don't try to have their vote as a member of that community.

00:26:40.960 I try to have their vote as a Canadian.

00:26:46.960 Thank you, Maxime. Danny, you have a question.

00:26:50.320 Thanks for doing this. Maxime Bernier. I'm asking this question from the Kamloops Thompson

00:27:02.800 Caribou riding. And it's, it's good to be able to ask this question. I want you to speak on the issue

00:27:09.840 of the media. So I've heard quite a bit in terms of PPP, PPC statements about the media

00:27:16.880 and how clearly they're biased and state run media, that type of thing. But what does the federal

00:27:25.920 government, what role do, does the federal government have in media and social media to promote free

00:27:33.520 speech, but not to interfere with the process of, of, of a fair election and, and fair information.

00:27:47.440 getting out there. So if you could speak to the, what, what, what does the federal government,

00:27:52.080 what, what is the role of the federal government in media and social media?

00:27:58.080 Yeah. Thanks for your question. First, the federal government must, the media, sorry,

00:28:04.240 must be independent from the government. Now they are dependent for the, from the government,

00:28:09.600 government because they received a lot of money from the bailout that the Trudeau government give

00:28:14.800 to the, uh, mainstream media, but also during COVID-19, uh, the federal government and provincial

00:28:22.000 governments spend a lot of money in advertising in, uh, in, uh, all the media and in local newspaper

00:28:28.800 newspapers everywhere. That was part of their propaganda. That's why they scared people a lot.

00:28:34.880 So for us, the media must be independent. So the state and the government won't give any money to, uh,

00:28:41.360 mainstream media won't give any money to the CBC. We have a platform that the CBC must be independent

00:28:49.520 from the government. So they must, they must, uh, be able to find themselves, uh, asking money from

00:28:56.400 their viewers. If they, if they, if they, if they're good, the viewers will donate to them. If not the

00:29:02.400 too bad. So we will save a billion dollars there not to give money to the CBC. So that's what the

00:29:09.520 mainstream media for the social media, it's too bad that the Trudeau government table, the bill,

00:29:15.360 bill C36, this bill is not enforced and won't be enforced before the, the election. If we have an

00:29:22.080 election this fall, and I believe we'll have an election this fall, but that's part of their

00:29:27.280 platform. They believe that we have a huge problem in Canada with eight, eight speech and eight crimes,

00:29:34.800 and we don't have a problem there. Actually less than 1% of all the crimes in this country are related

00:29:42.960 to eight speech. So that's not a problem for them. They created a problem to have an excuse to regulate

00:29:50.560 what you are saying on social media. That's the bill C36. If the bill is passed and become law,

00:29:59.760 uh, the federal government and his agency will be able to look at what you're saying to social media

00:30:06.720 and something that you will say, and maybe somebody won't like it. So you can be a censor. We still have,

00:30:14.880 we have right now, censorship from the big tech corporation, Google, and all these big corporations,

00:30:22.560 YouTube. So we don't need censorship from the federal government, but that's the intent of that

00:30:28.560 bill. And we will fight for freedom. We will fight. We don't need another definition of eight crimes. We have a

00:30:36.880 definition in the criminal code. That's enough. That's okay. But now with the bill C36, they will

00:30:43.440 have a new definition that would be broader, that would be large and will include a lot of things.

00:30:49.120 So you will be censored on you. You will have a risk to be censored on social media. So we are against

00:30:56.400 that bill. We are for freedom. We don't think that the government must regulate the internet and

00:31:02.080 social media. It must be free to everybody. And, uh, that's, that's too important right now.

00:31:09.360 It's the only place that we can express our point of view and the federal government is looking at that.

00:31:15.280 And, uh, I believe that, you know, it's going against our democracy. Uh, the freedom of speech is the,

00:31:21.360 is the part of our, uh, charter of rights and must be defendant. And I can tell you that if that bill

00:31:29.200 passed after the next election, we will work with the justice center for constitutional freedoms,

00:31:35.760 to be sure that we will sue the government, we will, uh, in, in, in a court. And, uh, but we'll do

00:31:42.800 also, we'll try to educate the public opinion on the, these, uh, kind of, uh, uh, restriction of our freedoms.

00:31:51.040 Thank you, Maxine. Um, the next question we, uh, we're going to give Donna the opportunity to express.

00:32:04.480 Thank you, Ron. And thank you, uh, um, Maxine. So I have a question for you, if I may. Um, I am

00:32:13.680 also a member of vaccine choice Canada. I have been for about, um, I don't know since it's inception,

00:32:20.720 maybe, uh, 25 years or so. And, um, this is my, uh, question. I did hear you, um, Maxine say that

00:32:31.760 you are not opposed to vaccines. My question in all of this is, I believe that people are not having

00:32:46.000 a choice in vaccinations, that someone else, corporations are making that choice for them.

00:32:55.200 Never do I see the ingredients to vaccinations ever exposed by any politician, scientist, doctor,

00:33:04.720 and it, this, this is important for our children, our future. And so I, my question to you is,

00:33:12.800 what will you do to expose the ingredients to these vaccines? What's in it? And the science

00:33:21.840 that shows how toxic these vaccines are. Donna, can you, uh, repeat that the last part of that

00:33:28.560 question? What will you do to expose you cut out there? I'm sorry, to expose the ingredients to the

00:33:35.840 vaccination. What's in it. And the science behind the toxicity of these vaccines. And what will you do

00:33:47.840 to reinforce health and nutrition? So we have a healthier, uh, future for our children and a healthier

00:33:57.440 nation. Thank you. Okay. Thanks for that question. I must say that I said personally in French in Quebec

00:34:05.200 and in English that, uh, I didn't take the vaccine. I won't take the vaccine for three reasons. First

00:34:11.440 of all, I think I'm young and 58 years old. Second, I'm in shape and running marathons and I'm eating

00:34:18.800 very well. Uh, I'm not a vegan, but, uh, I'm eating some meat, but I'm eating more, uh, I'm eating more

00:34:26.480 like a vegetarian. So that being said also, if I have COVID, uh, the chances to die from COVID is 0.05%.

00:34:36.480 So that's why I didn't take the vaccine. And so I believe in freedom of choice because when I believe

00:34:43.680 in freedom of choice, I believe that Canadians are intelligent people. So, uh, they can, uh, and they

00:34:50.720 must be responsible of their action. They can do good action, good for them, and they can take bad

00:34:56.800 decision. You know, that's their, that's not their risk. So concerning the vaccine, I believe in the

00:35:03.040 freedom of choice, but you're right. When you have the freedom of choice before choosing something, you

00:35:08.880 must have all the informations and the right information. And that must be your responsibility

00:35:14.880 to look for that information. I know that a lot of Canadians don't look at for having more

00:35:21.040 information on vaccine. And I agree with you. Uh, I don't want to have an experiment vaccine on me.

00:35:27.440 And I decided not to have it also for that. So what I will do, I think that first of all, uh, I don't want

00:35:35.200 to also go on the vaccine passport. Like I said, in my, in the beginning of, of that, uh, meeting that

00:35:42.880 and against a vaccine passport, it would be, uh, uh, we'll have two kinds of citizens, one, uh, with

00:35:50.240 more rights than the other. So we need to fight that and, uh, we need to have more information and

00:35:57.440 I appreciate what you're doing with the, uh, the, the, that organization. So what I can do if I'm prime

00:36:04.640 minister or as a policy, we can be sure that before giving the vaccine, people must know more. So

00:36:12.720 I think it's the role of the federal government because, uh, healthcare, it's a shared jurisdiction

00:36:18.800 with provinces because the federal government is responsible of the coordination of the

00:36:24.800 healthcare in Canada. That's why, but the majority of the responsibilities are under the provincial

00:36:32.800 jurisdiction. But I think we can ask provincial government to give more information on the

00:36:39.520 vaccine. Now we have propaganda and that propaganda is very efficient. And here in Quebec, now they're

00:36:46.480 saying, if you don't have your two doses, uh, you won't be able to go to a bar, uh, this September,

00:36:53.600 you won't be able to go to a gym. And they're doing that because the young people, uh, are not kind

00:37:00.000 of a vaccine and they don't want to have a second dose, dose of, uh, of that vaccine. So they're,

00:37:05.040 they're, they're pushing. And I think it's, it's non, uh, ethical, uh, it's a non moral,

00:37:11.440 it's immoral doing that. So opposition, it's a freedom of choice. People must be able to have the

00:37:19.120 right information and the government must be able to give them the right information before taking any

00:37:25.440 decision and the decision to have that vaccine. I think it's an important decision. So in the

00:37:31.440 information, yes, we must know what is in that vaccine for sure. Uh, they must have that information

00:37:38.400 before having the vaccine. And I think, you know, it's too important. Now I'm looking at what they're

00:37:44.720 doing in Quebec and maybe in other provinces, they're pushing the vaccine for the 12 to the 18 years old,

00:37:51.760 knowing that the world, world health organization that I don't like said that we don't need to

00:37:59.120 impose a vaccine to people on their 18 years old. Uh, so, and in Quebec, they're pushing and pushing.

00:38:05.840 I think it's, it's immoral. And I said that publicly, so I will fight for being sure that people will have

00:38:13.040 the choice and parents will be able to decide, uh, to decide if their children will have the vaccine or not.

00:38:20.480 Okay. Oh, sorry about that. Uh, you cut out there. So were you finished your statement?

00:38:25.760 Yeah, I was just saying that also the parents must be able to decide if their children will have the vaccine

00:38:32.880 or not. It's not the, it's not the government that must impose that. And I, I believe up to now that the government

00:38:40.080 tried to, uh, to, uh, be acting like a, like, like being a parent, uh, the, the last decision was come from the parents.

00:38:50.160 If I can just add, please. I also do know that the federal government is involved in the vaccine issue.

00:38:58.240 Health Canada has not given that COVID vaccine a DIN number.

00:39:02.720 Yeah. So there is an involvement. Thank you. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you. Um,

00:39:10.640 before we have the last two questions from Alice and Danny, uh, Tanya has something to share.

00:39:18.640 Oh, you're on mute. I just saw that little, that little red stripe. All right. Um, yeah,

00:39:24.240 I just wanted to, uh, just speak into that as well. And, uh, Maxime, I'm, I appreciate that you're

00:39:29.520 saying that this is an experimental, it's very important. We use the term vaccine, but it's an

00:39:33.920 experimental, uh, injection that is being used and there's great deal of harms that are coming

00:39:40.880 because of this, uh, adverse reactions and many deaths. And so as of Monday, uh, action for Canada

00:39:47.520 is going to be launching a VAX victims page. We've been working with liberty.com. And because daily

00:39:54.000 I'm receiving phone calls from people whose loved ones have either died or are experiencing

00:39:58.880 neurological damage, uh, brain clots and undergoing surgery. I mean, this is an all out attack against

00:40:06.480 society. And in the, uh, for those of you who think the government is, uh, becoming more lenient

00:40:12.400 and going into phase three or whatever of the lockdowns, make no mistake. The church is going to

00:40:17.520 be locked down again in the fall. The businesses will be, uh, the children are going to be, uh, um,

00:40:23.680 motivated to have vaccines in order to see their friends or schools. Um, elected officials are

00:40:28.960 already making these, um, comments. Uh, the deputy minister of New Brunswick said, Oh, if you want to

00:40:35.280 see your friends and if you want to go to school in the fall, and that is one of the reasons why

00:40:40.160 action for Canada has created these notices of liability to protect our children. So you're putting

00:40:45.760 your teacher on notice, the principal, they're awesome, uh, for employees to give to their employers.

00:40:50.640 Costco is now demanding that, you know, uh, people provide their proof of vaccine. Uh, the employees

00:40:57.280 do. And so we're getting right behind this. And we also have a notice of liability directed

00:41:02.640 at, um, elected officials. They're going to be saying come the fall that there's a new variant

00:41:07.600 and it's going to be the non vaccinated who are the ones with the new variant. And, uh, the last thing

00:41:13.360 I want to say is the PCR test has been used fraudulently. They put it up at high amplification

00:41:19.280 so that it actually picks up dead cells in your system of a virus. You could have had six months

00:41:24.560 or a year ago, and they give you a positive. So they've been amplifying up over 35, uh, to 45.

00:41:31.920 Each province has admitted it. Now, all of a sudden they're dropping it to 25. So they can all of a

00:41:37.280 sudden say how the cases are dropping. So the news isn't reporting on deaths. They're reporting on cases.

00:41:43.200 Now they're saying the cases are dropping and they're giving the credit to these, uh, deadly vaccines.

00:41:48.320 So anyways, I just wanted to clarify that and make sure that people were aware. Sorry,

00:41:52.800 Ron, back to you. All right. No problem. So thank you, Tanya, for sharing that. Alice, you have a question.

00:42:00.720 Yes. Hi. Oh, um, can you see me and hear me? I cannot see myself, but can you hear me?

00:42:08.400 Okay. We can hear you. That's the key. Okay. Great. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Hi, uh, Maxim. Uh, yeah,

00:42:15.520 I met you, you know, actually, when you came to Vancouver for a night, uh, at the restaurant.

00:42:20.960 Yeah. It was very nice to, uh, meet you and glad to hear you yesterday and today. Um, well,

00:42:29.200 my question is, you know, last night you mentioned, okay, you won't be the PM. I hope you're wrong.

00:42:36.480 I hope that, uh, a miracle will happen. And I believe so that you'll be PM, but if you are right,

00:42:43.840 that, you know, you won't be, um, how are you, your party going to be able to help and lock down

00:42:56.400 permanently, like not, um, make, make it basically, uh, illegal, you know, just like us.

00:43:06.880 Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for the question. At least I really appreciate that. And just before answering,

00:43:14.640 I want to say that, uh, you're doing a good job, Tanya with action for Canada. That's important.

00:43:20.880 Out of groups like you are all there. And it's a question of education. And I think it's too

00:43:26.320 important. And I agree with everything that you said about the, the, the, the, the test and

00:43:31.520 everything. It's a shame what is happening right now in our country. That being said, to answer your

00:43:37.520 question, Alice, um, you know, it's about education. It's about education and the more people, and you

00:43:44.480 you don't need to actually be, you, we know that government are, uh, and traditional government

00:43:51.040 are acting on poll and survey and they want to stay in power. And so that's why, like I said,

00:43:57.600 you didn't have any opposition at the provincial level against these lockdown because the propaganda

00:44:03.520 was very efficient, the advertising that they did and all that. So it was so efficient that Canadians

00:44:11.120 bought that and they had a lot of support. Now it's coming on our side. We'll have more freedom

00:44:18.640 this summer and maybe, yes, you're right. These lockdown can come again this fall, but we'll have

00:44:24.960 more people on our side. Actually, I was pleased to hear from the, uh, health minister in Quebec

00:44:33.360 that he said, you know, we won't be able to impose lockdowns this fall. So that's why we need to have

00:44:41.680 a vaccine passport. The Quebec government is the government that spent a lot of money in advertising.

00:44:48.400 Like I said before, they're doing polling and survey every day. The federal, the Quebec government

00:44:54.800 spent $2 million in six months on polling on the COVID-19. So when the minister said,

00:45:02.960 we won't be able, that was what he said, to impose lockdowns this fall if we have another variant.

00:45:10.960 So that means that now we have the public opinion on our side against the lockdowns. So we just need

00:45:18.880 to be steady and speaking about what we believe. So yes, I may not be prime minister after the next

00:45:26.240 election, but we will have a voice. We will be in parliament. We will be able to speak. We will

00:45:32.320 have more coverage from the mainstream media. We will use all the tools that we can use as a member

00:45:39.280 of parliament to educate, to speak, and we'll have more people on our side. It's a question of winning

00:45:45.600 the public opinion. So, uh, and we'll do that together. So that's why if I'm not prime minister,

00:45:52.480 I think we can stop these lockdowns also by educating, informing the population, what Tanya is doing

00:45:59.600 and other groups like that out there, like Liberty Coalition Canada and us as a political party, we are

00:46:06.560 the only political party at the federal level against these draconian lockdowns. So that's important to have a

00:46:14.800 voice. That's why I said, you know, you need our voice and I need your vote. So all together we can win.

00:46:23.040 All right. Thank you, Maxine. One question there from Danny.

00:46:29.440 Go ahead, Danny.

00:46:32.800 You're on mute. Yeah.

00:46:33.760 Yeah. Thanks guys. Another question from me and it isn't around the vaccine subject. It is around the

00:46:39.760 first nations issue that we've seen coming up. Uh, I live in Kamloops. So, you know, that was kind

00:46:47.840 of one of the big highlights having the Kamloops Indian band quote unquote discover this quote unquote

00:46:54.800 mass grave. I still think even though there's a lot of mistruth out there and the media wants to

00:47:01.200 fit a particular narrative to fit their white racism, um, issue. We still do need to deal with

00:47:11.520 the issue of indigenous people in Canada. And so, uh, you know, I know some of the policies of the PPC

00:47:19.360 in this area, but I'd like you to speak to that. Forget about the issues at hand. What do we need to do

00:47:26.960 as a federal government to address the issues of indigenous people in Canada? What's your, uh,

00:47:33.840 position on reparations, reconciliation, and, uh, these, um, these kind of new, um, keywords that are

00:47:45.120 spoken in the media right now? You're right about saying new keywords. Absolutely. And, uh, it's only

00:47:53.680 that. It's only that. It's not about policies. It's not about solving the challenges that we are

00:48:00.000 having. Um, and when you said a mass grave, it is not a mass grave. It's individual grave. It's not,

00:48:06.720 it's not a big mass one. They want to say that because it's like, it's looked like a genocide,

00:48:12.320 but it's not that. And, uh, and so it's, it must be important to use the right word on that also.

00:48:19.200 But that being said, uh, you know, if you read our platform, you know, our policies for the first

00:48:24.800 nation. And we, we, we are saying since the creation of our party that we must, uh, abolish

00:48:32.640 the Indian act. Uh, that's the only, uh, when, when, uh, Trudeau is saying that Canada is a racist

00:48:40.000 party, the only thing that is racist in our country is that act it's based on race and we must abolish

00:48:47.200 that. But it's easy to say we must abolish it. I understand that, but we must replace by what I

00:48:54.960 think they must have, you know, in, uh, on reserve, they don't have, it's, it's a community. It's a kind

00:49:02.080 of a communist system. They don't have a property rights on reserve. I think they must have a kind

00:49:08.240 of a property rights on reserve. If you want to build something, you need to be able to have property

00:49:13.600 rights. And so that's what we said. We need to replace, to abolish the Indian acts and try to have 1.00

00:49:20.560 a discussion with the first nation about having a kind of a property rights on reserve. I know that,

00:49:26.320 uh, a chief in BC, I don't remember which one, they developed a kind of a property rights. Uh,

00:49:33.200 so, and that, you know, non Indian can buy land, uh, on the reserve and things like that. It's pretty 0.89

00:49:41.200 new. So we must look at a solution like that, but we must open the discussion. Now it's all about

00:49:48.320 shame on us, uh, Canadians and white. And I don't like that discussion. I want to move the discussion

00:49:55.840 toward a solution. All right. Thank you, Maxime. And thanks for that question. Uh, I do have one

00:50:02.160 last question and I can't wait then to introduce pastor Aaron Rock, who's joined us. Uh, so with

00:50:08.320 regards to, um, the question is, is, uh, in the context of how will you protect our Canadian sovereignty

00:50:17.600 and, and the right for Christians to, to congregate and worship? Yeah. First of all, we'll be sure that,

00:50:24.320 uh, our charter, uh, the government will, will, uh, follow and not violate our charter

00:50:32.080 rights. And right now the government is doing that in different, uh, with lockdowns, with, uh, uh,

00:50:38.640 not being able to go to church. It's in our charter of rights. And actually it's the, the,

00:50:44.000 the criminal code also have something on that. You must, uh, police must not be able to go in a

00:50:49.760 church. So, but the federal government is doing nothing about that. So we must, we must be sure to

00:50:55.200 reinforce our charter of rights. And that's, that's the first thing to do. But at the same time,

00:51:00.560 also, I believe that, uh, to keep our sovereignty, uh, we need to, uh, be sure that the globalists

00:51:08.400 and these people who believe that they know better than us in Canada, like the UN, like all these, uh,

00:51:15.600 international organizations must not, uh, be able to influence our policy and our politics in Canada.

00:51:22.800 And that's why we're saying we're going to review the budget that the federal government is giving to

00:51:27.120 the UN when we go, we will cut foreign aid and bring back that money to Canada to help Canadians

00:51:33.760 first. So that's part of our foreign policy. I think it's important. And, uh, and like that,

00:51:39.600 you'll keep your sovereignty. Uh, we won't sign the, uh, global compact on migration. And because,

00:51:46.560 you know, we need to do our immigration law in Canada, and we have a strong position on immigration,

00:51:53.360 we won't sign the Paris accord. Uh, we need to do what we want to do in Canada. And if it's so

00:52:00.320 important fighting climate change, it can be done by provinces at the federal level for us as a

00:52:06.400 political party at the federal level, we won't do anything. We won't sign that accord. We won't

00:52:11.040 impose regulations or, or carbon tax. So that's very important. It's a core of our, of our platform when

00:52:18.160 we're saying, you know, individual freedom and personal responsibility it's and respect and

00:52:23.840 fairness. Respect is for respect, our constitution, our rights. So I think, um, uh, that would be

00:52:30.560 important. We must be able to go to church and we must be able to do what we want to do. I must be able

00:52:38.400 to go to Manitoba and do a rally over there. Uh, so that's the role of the federal government to

00:52:44.800 protect our charter of rights and the federal government is not doing that right now.

00:52:50.800 Thank you. Thank you, Maxine. We appreciate so much your time and your delivery and your message,

00:52:58.080 your views, and we were encouraged. Um, I know there's still some more questions. I'm, uh, but

00:53:04.640 we're, we're out of time. We need to introduce our next speaker. So, Maxine, we're, we're just so

00:53:09.360 grateful that you're able to join us today and deliver what you did, uh, to, to us. And, uh,

00:53:15.440 we, we just are encouraging and encouraged and support you. Um, so thank you. If you have to,

00:53:21.600 to leave Maxine, I give you the opportunity to do that. I I'm sure you're familiar with pastor Aaron

00:53:27.280 Rock and we are so privileged and honored to have him join us. He's a true hero of the faith.

00:53:33.280 This man has counted the cost. He has endured persecution, many tens of thousands of dollars

00:53:40.800 fines, his church locked down. Uh, he'll explain a little bit more as far as the extent of it,

00:53:47.520 but I I'm a big fan and, uh, I've, I've quoted, uh, uh, pastor Aaron, uh, one, a number of your

00:53:55.760 things. You wrote an amazing article, why divine obedience over civil obedience is, uh, a Christian's

00:54:01.520 duty. And in there, you, you talk about, uh, the word of God instructs God's people to meet for the

00:54:08.120 ministry of the word, sacrament, worship, laying on of hands, greeting one another with a holy kiss,

00:54:15.720 praying over the sick and fulfilling the one another's of scripture. And that's all scripture

00:54:20.740 based. And we're just so privileged and honored to have you be a part of our group today. And, uh,

00:54:27.120 we just give you the platform and the floor and welcome pastor Aaron.

00:54:31.480 Well, thank you, Ron. I appreciate the opportunity to share a little bit about some of the experiences

00:54:36.720 we've had and, and perhaps even suggest a little bit of a path forward. And I, I, I'm more than

00:54:42.860 welcome, more than willing to allow for, um, plenty of questions at the end of all of this. So

00:54:48.020 I'm pastoring in Windsor, Ontario. I started this church 20 years ago. So I've been in the same

00:54:53.820 pulpit for 20 years. And, uh, last year when the virus sort of touched down on our shores,

00:54:59.700 I think most of us were a little perplexed and unsure of, uh, what was happening in many respects,

00:55:07.120 I would sort of equate it to a situation whereby, you know, suddenly you get a message that German

00:55:12.940 bombers are overhead in world war two. And you're like, okay, we've never experienced this before.

00:55:17.520 So our church closed down for a few weeks and, um, very soon into that first lockdown last March,

00:55:25.940 this would be March of 2020. I, I began to be very concerned about some of the patterns and sort of

00:55:31.740 the cultural wars and the, the politicking and the opportunism, the lack of transparency that were

00:55:38.980 impacting the decisions that the government was making. So I wrote a letter, uh, to our premier in

00:55:45.740 Ontario. And before I sent it, I chatted with it, chatted about it, uh, chatted with my elders about

00:55:52.360 it. And we thought to ourselves, well, maybe we could get a few other churches to sign. And so I

00:55:57.880 talked to a friend of mine, Joe Boot, we kind of reworked the letter and we put it out hoping that we

00:56:02.540 might get, you know, 20 or 30 churches to sign. And we ultimately had 445 sign that led to a meeting

00:56:10.880 with the premier's lawyers and we were able to negotiate, um, the reopening of the churches last

00:56:18.260 June. Then of course, much like this summer, you know, the pressure's off June, July, August,

00:56:24.120 things seem to let up. The virus doesn't seem to be around, but we started to receive indicators

00:56:29.440 that there would be, um, more tyrannical lockdowns in the fall. And there was discussion even coming out

00:56:35.680 of Australia about the, the ongoing use of rolling lockdowns to stop viruses, future viruses, to reduce

00:56:43.280 climate change, this sort of thing. So we formed, um, several coalitions in the process. We, we wrote a

00:56:51.600 document called the Niagara declaration to reassert what is often missing in your typical high school

00:56:58.860 civics class. And that is that Canada is historically a Christianized country. Many of us are taught that

00:57:06.700 Canada isn't a Christian country. It's true that Canada isn't a Christian country, but it is a Christianized

00:57:13.840 country. We recognize the supremacy of God in the preamble to our charter. That's not a reference to whatever

00:57:20.340 God you so choose. That's a reference to the Judeo-Christian God. The laws that have established Western 0.74

00:57:27.520 civilization are traced back to divine scripture. Uh, Christians have historically played a critical 1.00

00:57:36.400 role in fighting for, for liberty and freedom. The church of Jesus Christ was actually the first

00:57:41.760 free institution in Western civilization. And while churches and church communities and denominations

00:57:48.960 have made all sorts of errors over the years, we acknowledge that we're not perfect. Uh, historically,

00:57:54.320 the church played a role in shaping culture and standing for liberty and for, for justice. Uh, in

00:58:01.460 our theology, we acknowledge that we're not the state, the state bears the responsibility to wield the

00:58:07.680 sword on God's behalf as God's servant, but the church is separate from the state and the church's

00:58:13.940 responsibility as it worships Christ is in part to hold the state accountable to do its job. So one of the

00:58:21.240 things that concerns me, concern me back then, it considered continues to concern me now is that the

00:58:27.600 Christian church in particular has been pushed aside and really considered less than an essential

00:58:34.840 business, less than a non-essential business. In fact, so we've had churches that are persecuted.

00:58:41.440 Uh, we have businesses that receive thousand dollar tickets. I've received four $100,000 court summonses.

00:58:50.920 And I'm staring down possibility of four years in prison for what, for opening my church,

00:58:59.080 for seeking to minister to depressed people, to lost people, to people that are in need of hope and

00:59:06.660 freedom and the gospel of Jesus Christ. I haven't made any money off this. I don't enjoy the drama,

00:59:12.680 but our church and other churches like ours continue to be harassed by police were surveilled

00:59:18.720 our church property. And some of the cars in our parking lot have been vandalized.

00:59:24.380 We've been misrepresented in the media, et cetera. I think I was probably the first pastor to be

00:59:31.640 charged in the whole country of Canada for reopening his church. And it just never seems to go away.

00:59:38.300 There's just ongoing problems, but nevertheless, we have pushed forward. We, I was instrumental along with

00:59:45.020 Maxine in, in organizing what we now call the, the Liberty Coalition Canada and the, and the lockdown

00:59:51.240 caucus. And I'm so grateful for men like him that are standing up for, for liberty. And it's difficult

00:59:57.060 because you get a lot of pushback. The, the cultural narrative, the social narrative is very

01:00:01.820 anti-liberty. Someone mentioned in the chat there earlier on that they use the word cultural Marxism.

01:00:08.900 That's very much alive and well in our country. And we're, we're concerned about that, but we formed

01:00:14.860 the Liberty Coalition. We initiated, as I mentioned earlier, the reopening Ontario church's website.

01:00:20.680 We wrote the Niagara declaration, which garnered 200 and some odd church signatures.

01:00:26.300 We've been doing podcasts, writing articles through my pursuit of glory.org website. We've had all sorts

01:00:33.100 of meetings with different pastors and political leaders and, and small business owners across the

01:00:39.540 province. So those are some of the activities that we've been involved in. The good news is we're

01:00:44.000 bearing fruit. We've baptized more people in our church than ever before. Uh, we have people coming

01:00:51.540 here. You see them walk in the front door, their shoulders dropped. They're just like, finally a place

01:00:56.620 that's normal. Um, people are finding refuge and hope and freedom. We had a small business owner in

01:01:03.700 our church on Sunday who's been repeatedly harassed for opening her restaurant. You might know her. I

01:01:09.240 also consider her a bit of a hero, Kirstie Lethem at the family kitchen in Leamington. She attended our

01:01:14.580 church for the first time on Sunday and was, was in tears, uh, because she's been repeatedly fined,

01:01:20.680 repeatedly harassed, misrepresented in the media. So we were a, we're a, we want to be a lighthouse

01:01:26.060 for Christ first and foremost, a gospel oriented church. We're declaring the absolute and utter

01:01:33.100 kingship of the Lord Jesus Christ over the worship and ministry of the church. If we are committing

01:01:39.780 a criminal act as a church, we would welcome the state to intervene. That's the state's job to wield 0.97

01:01:45.020 the sword. If we're committing criminal acts, the state has the power to enter our church and to rest or

01:01:51.560 do whatever it might need to do, but we will never relinquish to the state authority beyond that.

01:01:57.780 We're not going to relinquish authority to the state. Not now, not five years from now, not a hundred

01:02:04.520 years from now over our worship and ministry. We're going to preach what we want. We're going to baptize

01:02:10.900 whoever we want. We're going to continue to counsel and bless and encourage people in our community.

01:02:19.160 And we're going to continue to hold the state to account, to be honest, to be virtuous, to tell the truth,

01:02:28.080 to stick within their job description and not to, you know, continue to punish people for the crime,

01:02:37.960 apparently, of worshiping the Lord Jesus Christ. We have emphasized time and time again, we need to remind

01:02:45.160 people in a very scientized world that every human being on this call and on planet Earth isn't just the

01:02:53.880 sum total of their biology. So there's a biological threat out there. There's a virus. There's going to be

01:02:59.140 other viruses. You know, humanity has been dealing with viruses and bacterial infections since the beginning

01:03:05.000 of time. But we are not just biotic beings. And one of the travesties of this lockdown is that in an attempt to

01:03:14.080 protect us from a biological hazard, we have cast aside all perspective. We're not considering the mental

01:03:22.500 impact of lockdowns on people's health, the economic impact, the spiritual impact, the relational, sociological

01:03:30.440 impact. So we're concerned about the, you know, the holistic health of the individual. And we're concerned about the

01:03:38.720 trajectory of our nation. And we're, we're speaking out against tyranny, we're speaking out against tunnel vision, and

01:03:48.500 we're standing for liberty. So if anybody wants to ask questions, I'm, I'm, I'm comfortable asking questions, if you want to

01:03:56.520 ask questions, theological questions about the church or the church as it relates to the state, I'm happy to

01:04:01.320 talk to that point. If you want to know sort of how we're doing it as a church, you're, you're welcome to

01:04:05.920 ask. So I just want to sort of open it up. And if you have any questions for me, I'd be be happy to help

01:04:11.540 out. That's excellent. Thank you, Pastor Aaron. And there are going to be some questions. So I welcome you again to

01:04:18.300 raise your hand, go to the bottom right hand, you'll see the reactions, click on the raised hand, and then

01:04:24.120 Pastor Aaron would be more than happy to feel those questions. So Pastor Aaron, before you came on

01:04:29.940 board, I, I, we did a little bit of research on the 35 mega churches across our country, 1800 plus

01:04:37.260 members in the thousands. And we were happy to see based on their website, and that currently around

01:04:45.120 20 of those 35 are fully open now without restriction. There are still some that have gone

01:04:52.020 virtual, they remain virtual, I should say, and some with some type of criteria in the context,

01:04:57.660 whether it's 15% or 50, still compliant, you know, from what it was before. So right now is the time,

01:05:07.420 it's the season that the good Lord is allowed for the house to be open. But there will come a season,

01:05:14.300 many feel in the fall, where, again, there's going to be these these restrictions and variants. And so

01:05:22.480 we need to come together, what are your views on and your passions, convictions, what the Lord's

01:05:29.560 revealing to you in the context of now's the time you're open, let's remain open as a unified church

01:05:37.180 across our country. Now, one of one of the challenges that we've had is it's, it's not difficult to get

01:05:43.740 445 churches to sign a letter. But it's difficult to get a dozen churches to actually remain open when

01:05:50.960 they say they're going to remain open. And one of the challenges that people have that I think,

01:05:56.520 you know, people have different circumstances. So there's some men that are new to their church,

01:06:01.200 they're not tenured pastors, maybe they just showed up six months ago, they don't have the support of

01:06:05.900 their board, they want to be open, but there's, there's political dynamics in their church, you know, I give

01:06:10.960 them a lot of latitude. I'm concerned about a lot of churches have been told by their denominational leaders

01:06:17.240 for liability purposes, under no circumstances are we going to allow you to open. So there are people that are in

01:06:23.540 difficult circumstances, but I think the majority of Christian pastors have the wherewithal to teach and

01:06:30.760 educate and direct their church to obey God rather than man. And if churches would just altogether stand up and

01:06:39.080 say, no, we're concerned about the holistic health of people. You've had 18 months to do your thing and lock us

01:06:48.660 down repeatedly and develop vaccines and threaten us and fine us. We're done with it. If churches would just do 0.68

01:06:55.980 that, I think this would be over. You know, early on in this epidemic, aka pandemic, a person came to us who doesn't go to

01:07:08.020 church, and he said, you know, I have this sense that the church is like the last refuge, the last hope for our

01:07:17.600 country to push back against tyranny. And I'm like, you're absolutely right. The problem is, I think the majority of the

01:07:23.060 churches fail to actually do its job. And increasingly, it's sad to say, but the number one concern that

01:07:32.040 pastors have is getting fined, is getting ticketed. So, you know, you have maybe a dozen or so active

01:07:43.060 churches in the whole province of Ontario that have sort of stuck their head up above the turret, so to

01:07:49.360 speak and been shot and harassed, and a couple of them have been locked down, run out of their buildings, etc.

01:07:57.080 It's not a fun place to be. But if we could just get churches together to say, look, this is it. No more

01:08:03.720 lockdowns. We're done. We're not locking down under any circumstances. And if we do lock down, it's because

01:08:11.780 the leadership, the pastoral leadership, the elders of the bishops of our local church have decided to do

01:08:18.700 that for the benefit of our congregation without any coercion from the government. So if as a pastor

01:08:27.060 of my church, I meet with my elders, and we were to determine that there was some sort of terrible

01:08:33.500 disease rippling through our congregation, we're smart enough men. I love my people more than Justin Trudeau

01:08:40.020 loves my people. I love my people more than Doug Ford loves my people. We will make that decision for

01:08:47.300 our church. But just to put a little perspective on it, our church is a church of about a thousand

01:08:52.160 people. So one out of every 400 people in our entire county go to this church. And we've received,

01:09:00.380 we've had zero deaths. I've buried nobody in the last 18 months, except for one man who died of cancer.

01:09:08.680 We had a couple people hospitalized, not in intensive care. A couple older folks into the

01:09:16.580 hospital, they were on oxygen for a couple days and came out. We had one fellow who apparently

01:09:21.720 contracted COVID at Lowe's and had some reaction to some drugs and, you know, went through a really

01:09:27.500 hard time medically. But we're being told this virus is sweeping across the country and killing people.

01:09:33.260 I know thousands and thousands of people, and I don't know of anybody that's died of COVID-19.

01:09:39.620 But I do know of people that have committed suicide. I do know of marriages that have split up.

01:09:45.180 I do know of young men that have fallen back into pornographic addiction, sitting at their home

01:09:49.920 for months doing nothing. I do know of people that have lost their businesses.

01:09:54.440 You know, there's all this collateral damage that as a pastor deeply concerns me. So when I sort of

01:10:02.060 weigh the risk and reward, it's pretty simple for me. Zero deaths from COVID, lots of other damage

01:10:08.140 from these other things. I'm opening my church. So, you know, our perspective as a church is we do our

01:10:15.940 best to meet in our facility, in our location. We own it. We don't receive any dollars. We don't take

01:10:21.100 any money from the government. This is private property. We meet here. If they threaten us and

01:10:26.400 coerce us, which they've done a few times, sort of chased us out of our building, I'll just say this.

01:10:31.160 We still meet. We just don't meet here. And we're going to continue to do that because we understand

01:10:39.280 the needs that people have, and we want to be obedient to the Lord Jesus Christ in terms of

01:10:43.760 following his plans and purposes for the church. So it takes grit and perseverance, and it will lead

01:10:52.540 to a lot of sleepless nights. And it's uncomfortable. I've never been in jail. I've never been in trouble

01:10:56.680 with the law. It's uncomfortable. But to be honest, after a while, you kind of get used to it.

01:11:01.780 You know, you get a summons. You get another summons. You get another summons. There's more nasty stuff

01:11:05.440 on the internet. After a while, you get used to it, and you're able to tolerate it because you see the

01:11:10.280 Lord's blessing in so many other ways. Yes. Yes, that's so good. Thanks for sharing that,

01:11:15.320 Pastor Aaron. And we're hearing, I have the privilege and opportunity as Pastoral Support

01:11:19.540 Lead of Action for Canada to speak with the pastors who have opened their churches and endured the

01:11:25.740 persecution and vandalism and on countless fines and imprisonment, etc. And just like you shared as

01:11:32.420 well, too, as far as them making that stand, opening up the house to the community who have lost hope

01:11:39.280 and all the salvation that the decisions that have been made to receive Jesus. And just it's just God's

01:11:46.900 blessed that decision and you as well, too. And thanks for for confirming that. Alice, you have a question.

01:11:54.200 Hi, me again. I fixed the video problem.

01:12:00.820 Hi, Alice.

01:12:01.820 Hi, Pastor Aaron. I'm so glad I heard you interview with the Laura Lean Show. And I was really impressed and

01:12:11.940 encouraged. You know, like, yeah, you are one of the first pastors, you know, who spoke out. So I really

01:12:17.580 appreciate you standing up. And also, I do agree with what you said earlier that that is what I have a

01:12:26.860 lot more respect for pastor like you who are few, you know, defying because you guys show your, you

01:12:33.480 know, you guys pastor show that you care about your people, your shape, you know, your congregants

01:12:39.200 more than the fines and bullying, you know, from other pastors. So thank you so much. Thank you.

01:12:47.660 You know, I've been wondering why are some pastors are jailed and

01:12:56.120 yeah, treated so in your many and possibly like yourself, you know, who defy the same thing. But

01:13:07.220 I mean, like you got fines and suffer a lot too. But, you know, like, I wonder why they pick just

01:13:16.080 like the Alberta pastors, the few of them, not all of them, to be an example and none in BC or,

01:13:23.860 you know, Ontario or Quebec or rest of Canada. Well, one of the challenges in unifying the

01:13:30.500 coming up with a national response is all these regulations are provincially specific.

01:13:36.260 So in Ontario, they have the reopening Ontario Act, which is what they utilize to ticket and find and

01:13:46.240 deal with churches. Basically, the three groups that go after are churches and pastors, small business

01:13:53.400 owners, and people that speak at protests that challenge their authority. They don't go after

01:13:59.020 people that speak at protests on gay rights, or Indigenous issues. They don't go after, you know,

01:14:08.060 that the Ontario government actually amended the reopening Ontario Act to allow over 15,000 people

01:14:16.400 to attend a public funeral. And as a Canadian, I affirm the rights of these groups to do their

01:14:24.200 thing. But what I don't affirm is the duplicity, the double standards. So in Ontario, we have these

01:14:31.260 laws. And to your point, Ontario tends to have the highest fines. And they are the most likely to throw

01:14:41.620 injunctions on churches. So that's just their approach. And Alberta, from what I understand,

01:14:47.000 the fines are lower, but they're more comfortable locking pastors up. So we've had Pastor Coates and

01:14:53.040 Pastor Stevens locked up. So each province sort of has its own approach. And so when people have said,

01:15:00.300 well, let's write a letter to Justin Trudeau to get him to stop harassing churches. Well, Justin Trudeau is

01:15:05.100 not really doing this. He's behind it in a certain way. But this is the responsibility of individual

01:15:13.420 premiers. So here in Ontario, while we're trying to bless churches in British Columbia and Alberta and

01:15:18.980 network and stand together, we have our own unique challenges to deal with in Ontario. And then Alberta

01:15:25.020 has its own unique challenges. So it's, I'm not going to say that there's a mastermind that came up with

01:15:31.540 this, this plan to sort of fragment and divide. But it is very difficult to have a unified response to the

01:15:38.580 challenges churches are experiencing when each, each province has their own different way of responding

01:15:44.120 to it. So for me, it's, you know, heavy fines, threats of jail time. In Alberta, it's they show up with the

01:15:51.420 handcuffs, and they, you know, they drag you off.

01:15:57.060 Thank you.

01:15:57.820 Thank you for sharing that. There's, there is another question here, and I'm going to ask it first, and then I

01:16:06.880 believe, Tan, you have something to add as well, too. Jody has an observation and just some struggles that

01:16:13.500 she's experiencing at her home church. The narrative of obey the government, they have your best interest in heart is

01:16:20.820 how most churches ran here in Saskatchewan, our church included. As much as we try to challenge the

01:16:27.540 pastors and elders with this stance, it was met with a resistance and thoughts of this isn't the hill to

01:16:34.480 die on. I don't want to get a ticket or in the spirit of the law, we will do more than the government

01:16:41.640 requires. It's left us incredibly hurt, frustrated that they cannot see what this is really about. Instead of

01:16:52.200 looking at the facts of the virus and telling people to not fear, they preached, we needed to

01:16:59.640 obey better. How can we address this with a church that refuses to see the truth?

01:17:06.960 Well, I would first of all, just for the sake of time, direct you to my website. It's called

01:17:12.100 pursuitofglory.org. I've written several articles on our response to the church and the state and the

01:17:17.740 state's authority and the church's authority. I also have a podcast called Leadership Now,

01:17:24.220 which can be found in the Fight, Laugh, Feast network or on our website. And I've probably done

01:17:29.460 20 different podcasts, one hour podcast dealing with these issues. I don't say that to self-promote

01:17:35.140 folks. I'd rather just sort of fade into the woodwork. But right now I have a voice and there's

01:17:40.320 some resources there that would probably be of help to you in delving in. But fundamentally,

01:17:46.220 we have a major problem with the misinterpretation of Romans 13. I've read Romans 13 forward and back

01:17:53.260 in Greek and English. Romans 13 does not teach, and nor does the Bible teach anywhere, that the state

01:18:02.580 has comprehensive authority over the worship and ministry of the church. It just doesn't say that.

01:18:06.520 If that was true, what in the world were the early Christians doing meeting in catacombs 0.97

01:18:12.000 in violation of the law? The people that received that for the first time, why would they be doing

01:18:16.900 that? Why in Acts 5 did the apostles push back? So that passage is very specific. It's telling us to

01:18:24.740 submit to the government, which we gladly do, insofar as they are responsible to wield the sword,

01:18:31.700 meaning that they have in their job description responsibility for public justice. It's not the

01:18:39.100 church's job to arrest criminals, to execute people, to run prisons. That's the state's job.

01:18:45.480 They're responsible for public justice. And we must surrender ourselves to them. That's why Romans 13

01:18:51.000 says that if you do good, you have nothing to worry about. But if you're an evildoer, they're going to

01:18:55.060 come after you. So that's all Romans 13 says. And the rest of scripture, the testimony of the early

01:19:00.960 church teaches that. With regard to fines, you know, the funny thing is, this shouldn't motivate

01:19:06.860 you. All of the churches that have received heavy fines have received in 2020 and 2021 record giving.

01:19:16.740 Our church has all kinds of money in the bank. We're not suffering. We can pay all these fines

01:19:23.540 tomorrow and it wouldn't even really hurt us. We don't want to pay the fines. But our church could

01:19:27.820 write a check for $400,000 and pay off my fines tomorrow and it wouldn't sink our church.

01:19:33.240 Because people are going to give to authenticity. People are going to give to obedient churches.

01:19:39.500 But even if they didn't, and even if our finances dwindled down to nothing, and the state took our

01:19:46.460 building away, the Lord gives, the Lord takes away. And what we're not going to do is we're not

01:19:51.680 going to allow the state and our generation to coerce and to manipulate the church into obedience

01:19:59.860 to their edicts. I would just say, at this point, I used to be a little kinder in this regard.

01:20:08.780 At this point, a year and a half in, if your church leadership refuses to open your church to minister to

01:20:16.440 the people that God has entrusted them with, in some way, shape, or form. And their argument is,

01:20:23.080 while we're concerned about people dying from a virus, first of all, they don't have an inept

01:20:27.100 theology of resurrection hope. It's time to find a new church. Even if you have to drive two hours,

01:20:33.200 it's time to find a new church. Why not take the faithful remnant of Christians across the country 1.00

01:20:38.240 and get them into the faithful churches that are actually willing to stand up? Because these are the

01:20:43.460 churches that are also going to stand up against all of these horrible bills that have come down

01:20:50.600 during the pandemic. C6, C7, C10, C36. These are the churches that are going to stand up against the

01:20:58.500 tyranny of cultural Marxism, against the lies of Black Lives Matter, against the twisting of the

01:21:04.680 narrative when it comes to the indigenous tragedies. These are the churches that are going to stand up.

01:21:09.500 A friend of mine attends a church and he said, you know, we're basically keeping our, his approach,

01:21:14.860 his pastor said, we're keeping our powder dry. We're going to wait for Bill C10.

01:21:20.140 Well, that came and left and he didn't do anything. So I think that this is a delay tactic, in all

01:21:26.280 honesty. And the second thing is, you know, as an individual church, it's very difficult to make a

01:21:32.160 difference. So these churches that are just sort of hiding at home, if they suddenly stand up tomorrow

01:21:36.580 and say, hey, we're opposed to Bill C36, you know what the government's going to say? Get lost.

01:21:43.140 You're non-essential. You're comfortable with the title of being non-essential.

01:21:48.820 The Church of Jesus Christ, in many respects, in Canada, many churches, they're a joke to the

01:21:54.000 government. As far as they're concerned with the social clubs that run bazaars and have garage sales

01:21:59.700 once a summer to fund ourselves. We have actually contributed to the narrative that the church is

01:22:05.060 absolutely irrelevant. And that's a sad thing, because we, we have the gospel of Jesus Christ. So

01:22:11.840 I would, I would rebuke your leadership. I'm, I'm, I'm a big fan of being respectful of competent

01:22:19.540 leadership, obedient leadership. But if your leadership continues to disobey, rebuke them.

01:22:24.960 And if they refuse to change, find a new church.

01:22:29.300 Yeah, that's good. Thank you, Pastor. Listen, before Danny Jones, last question, Tanya Guy,

01:22:34.880 you had something to, to share.

01:22:38.560 Yeah, it was to ask a question as well. I just love it, Pastor Aaron. You and I spoke

01:22:43.100 back in the fall sometime. Yeah, it was, and I got off the phone. I said, oh my goodness,

01:22:47.660 mom, this man is amazing. His, his uncompromising spirit was like,

01:22:52.560 so in sync with what the Lord has laid on my heart. And I've always said recently with all this

01:22:58.640 censorship, we as Christians, we don't have to rely on social media and the news because we got

01:23:04.520 the Holy Spirit and God, God in us, who is prompting us if we're listening to what it is that we need to

01:23:10.100 do. So I love it. You're again saying some of the greatest biblical characters, you know, they all

01:23:16.920 defied anti-God governments and preach the gospel in spite of everything. Where does it say in, in the

01:23:24.940 Bible that we are to receive a tax receipt for our giving? Where does it say that, you know, the church

01:23:32.120 is to receive government funding for their building? And I so much see, because we've got quite a few

01:23:38.220 pastors, a couple of them are plaintiffs in the upcoming constitutional challenge that we'll be

01:23:43.320 launching in a matter of days here in BC against BC and federal government. And these pastors are the

01:23:48.900 examples of how they are honoring God first and foremost. There is just numerous people coming

01:23:57.360 to the Lord and baptisms. They're being blessed financially, as you say, and these are the promises

01:24:03.020 of God. If we do not compromise and we put God first in this nation, he will rise up and he will come

01:24:10.000 and he will bless us. But I just wanted to put that out there because it's been a question on my mind

01:24:15.540 since the job attestation had come in place some years ago, asking that if people were going to get

01:24:21.560 government summer grants and churches were on the forefront of that because they had summer camps and

01:24:26.540 how they were blessing communities. And the government said they had to sign this form and they had to

01:24:31.840 agree with abortion. And many churches didn't. And there was a huge, wonderful win in Ontario this week

01:24:38.480 because one of those churches refused to bow. They went all the way through court, cost them $102,000

01:24:45.220 and the judge reprimanded the government. They not only won their case and the freedom that they could

01:24:52.480 have this choice not to sign this attestation and be bullied, but that the government has to pay back

01:24:59.480 their legal costs as well. And these are the ones, right, thank you. Couldn't remember the name of them.

01:25:05.960 And so these are the ones on the forefront. And I think that the Lord is separating the wheat from

01:25:10.700 the chaff right now that he is going. There's a great exodus from these churches that are dead in 1.00

01:25:15.280 the Lord and reliant on man. And I just wanted to just pose that question. Is there anything anywhere

01:25:20.860 biblically that says we're supposed to be, the church is supposed to be reliant and that we as

01:25:26.120 believers as well, because this is a step of faith for people who want to see that tax receipt and what

01:25:30.520 it gets them at the end of the year? Where does it say that we need to do that?

01:25:35.120 Yeah, I just wrote an article called churches stop taking money from the state. And I'm sort of chastising

01:25:41.320 churches in this regard. So I'm going to make two points to that effect. A, God's people should fund God's

01:25:48.260 ministry. If it doesn't provide for your church, don't do that ministry. So let God's people fund God's

01:25:56.780 ministry. It's also common sense. I don't want to fund ministry at the local Islamic mosque. I don't 1.00

01:26:04.160 want to fund ministry at the Buddhist temple. So it infuriates taxpayers. And rightly so, when churches 1.00

01:26:12.040 that are trying to do Christian ministry are taking money from them to try to fund their ministry.

01:26:16.760 But I want to make a really important point about taxation. And this is something that we really need

01:26:23.320 to get this one down. And I speak to this in my article as well. Tax free status for churches is not a gift

01:26:32.060 from the government. It's not a gift from the government. The reason why churches historically in Western

01:26:38.520 civilization were not taxed is because they were considered the equivalents of an embassy. So if a foreign nation

01:26:46.920 plants an embassy on your soil, you don't tax them, they're sovereign unto themselves. They don't want to do

01:26:54.220 they're not allowed to do damage to the state criminal acts against the state that they're in. But historically,

01:26:59.780 when you would enter a new land, the king would tax you at his border. But if you're an ambassador, you would not be

01:27:06.600 taxed because it's a declaration is innately a claim to authority. So this is why the Christian church actually needs to 1.00

01:27:14.240 fight for tax exempt status, or whatever language you want to use. Because if we give this up, what we're

01:27:20.320 actually saying is, okay, we're not Christ ambassadors anymore. Now, what this means, we're not concerned,

01:27:26.580 we don't need to concern ourselves with whether or not we get tax write offs or tax receipts, if they give

01:27:31.280 it to us fine, if they don't give us to it, if they don't give it to us fine. If they give it to us, we'll just

01:27:35.980 reinvest our money back in the ministry. But I will never pay taxes to the government for the building

01:27:44.240 that we meet in for Christian worship. And if they try to slap taxes on us, we'll resist that.

01:27:50.080 Not because we're concerned about paying taxes, but because this is a claim by the state to have

01:27:56.540 authority over sovereign territory. And the church is Christ's embassy on earth. So this is why

01:28:04.140 historically, if you look at British common law, this is historically why in Western civilizations,

01:28:09.180 churches weren't taxed. And then, of course, with the arrival of Buddhists and Muslims and so forth,

01:28:15.460 by default, they've also benefited from this tax free status. So there's a difference between having

01:28:22.480 tax exempt status for a church, which we need to defend in order to maintain our status as Christ's

01:28:27.500 embassy. That's a different question than taking money from the state, which we refuse to do. And we all

01:28:34.320 know, folks, that if you take money from the state, there's strings attached. And you might not know

01:28:39.420 what those strings are for four or five years. But eventually, they're going to come knocking on your

01:28:43.020 door and say, actually, do you remember we gave you that money? You're going to do what we tell you

01:28:47.360 to do. So it's very wise for churches to fund their own ministry. And again, if we believe the Lord

01:28:52.600 provides, I just find the more our church gives away, the more we get. The more we sacrifice,

01:28:58.500 the more we get. And when we are stingy, or we're concerned about losing our building,

01:29:04.920 or we're not sure how we're going to fund students for a summer camp. And we rely upon

01:29:10.040 unbelievers to fund us things, things begin to spiral downward pretty quick.

01:29:15.000 Thank you. Thank you so much. So why such wise words? We do have like five minutes. Danny, I put you

01:29:24.020 in the chat there, please express your question in the chat. I'll get it answered for you.

01:29:28.500 But right now, I would like to ask Pastor Aaron to close us off in prayer. And then we're going to

01:29:34.240 take two minutes just to show everybody on here where to find resources on our website.

01:29:39.640 All right. Thank you. I appreciate it. Father God, I thank you for the Christians, the churches,

01:29:49.920 the liberty loving Canadians across our country that are standing up and on one hand fighting for

01:29:57.780 our nation. We love our nation. Many of us have been here for generations, hundreds of years,

01:30:03.560 in fact, and we love our nation. I love my nation. Some of my great grandfathers died for the freedoms

01:30:10.720 that we have. And I want to defend that. I want to honor them. We also pray, Lord, that more importantly,

01:30:16.940 that we would truly rise up and be a lighthouse for the Lord Jesus Christ in a very confused,

01:30:23.520 very wicked nation that has just gone crazy. We pray, Lord God, that you would restore some common

01:30:31.940 sense and some thoughtfulness to our nation. And that would come as the word of God is fully

01:30:37.180 exposited and a Christian worldview is lived out by your people. We pray that you would give us

01:30:44.980 strength for the journey. Sometimes it's very difficult. It's very frustrating. We know some of

01:30:50.480 our friends have left the country because of it, but we pray that you would help us to stand firm

01:30:54.740 and to remain faithful and thoughtful. And we pray that you would continue to raise up a faithful

01:31:00.680 remnant that future generations can look back on and just be blessed by. So we pray this in Jesus' 0.88

01:31:07.780 beautiful name. Amen. Thank you. Thank you so much, Pastor. Just a pleasure to have you on to inspire,

01:31:15.960 equip, and challenge the troops. And Lord bless you, Rich Lee. We'll be in touch soon, I'm sure,

01:31:22.180 through Michael Thiessen and Liberty Coalition Canada. We're big fans as well.

01:31:26.420 Very good. Thank you. Thanks for all you're doing.

01:31:28.560 Okay. Thank you. I'm just going to share my screen. And let's see here. Sorry about that.

01:31:34.420 We will go to share screen number three. Okay. So what you see up here on the screen, everyone,

01:31:44.560 is our Action for Canada website. Please, I've included the link in the post, in the chat,

01:31:52.900 I should say, right at the top. You can copy that, Action for Canada. And then you'll see here just

01:31:58.240 various different tabs, business resources, church resources. When you click on that,

01:32:03.140 you're going to see all kinds of supporting resources that we provide. So here's our Open

01:32:10.580 the Church. That's a delivery from our founder, Tanya Gah, to the churches. Here we have the

01:32:17.300 seminar that we did earlier in the year to equip and support our pastors. This is very important.

01:32:23.160 We're in need of pastoral support team members. We have a pastoral support weekly meeting coming up

01:32:30.220 at 4.30 in one hour. And if you want to be a part of that, just join our team. And we'd love to have

01:32:36.540 you come on board. As far as doing research, as far as what's happening with churches, international

01:32:42.280 rulings in favor of churches, we post all kinds of letters every two to three weeks. We have our

01:32:49.900 Canadian Rights and Freedoms clergymen highlighted there. We have no trespass signage. So if the season

01:32:56.400 gets into, you know, lockdown again, you're prepared. Interactions with government agents,

01:33:02.000 police clergymen. We have a 35-year constable, Vincent Jersey's veteran of the Ontario Provincial

01:33:09.100 Police, who delivers an amazing delivery on what to expect and how to properly handle law enforcement

01:33:15.520 when they come on to your church premise. How to file a complaint against law enforcement.

01:33:20.860 Amazing resources, sermons. And then we have pastoral testimonies of those like Pastor Aaron

01:33:27.840 Rock, who have been faithful and have not compromised. Did you want to draw a little bit

01:33:32.900 of attention, Tanya, to some of our other things to call to action and our recent actions?

01:33:40.780 Yeah, thank you, Ron. Maybe if we just go to the notice of a liability, if you go under legal

01:33:45.060 action, drop down as free, there we'll see vaccine notices of liability. We did one as well on the

01:33:52.900 main page. Let me back up under call to action. If you just hover on that without changing, you'll see

01:33:58.600 recent actions. And that shows everything that we've been doing actively week by week. When Pastor

01:34:05.760 Artur was arrested, for instance, in Calgary, I was already in contact with him saying, how can we

01:34:13.600 support you? And we were going to do a call to action asking people to come to his church. Next

01:34:17.520 thing you know, he's arrested. And so then we were doing calls to action about calling and contacting

01:34:23.160 the Calgary police, the premier and the head of the RCMP and stating as you know, Pastor Rock had just

01:34:29.700 said that this is unlawful. They cannot arrest pastors according to section 176, one to three of the

01:34:37.120 criminal code. Then we went to the solicitor general and did a campaign against him. We have further

01:34:43.420 actions that are coming. We're going to expose Judge Rook. We have this wonderful poster that we think

01:34:49.240 that everybody in Calgary should see about who this man is. And it's asking that he would recuse himself

01:34:55.440 because he's lost the trust of the public. In the meantime, as well, we heard about across the nation

01:35:01.660 how they were going to vaccinate children and they didn't need parental consent. So we put it into overdrive

01:35:06.820 and created these notices of liability. And they've been extremely effective. In fact, Rocco, a few

01:35:14.080 weeks ago, when he was sending me the draft statement of claim, he said, you hear what's happening with

01:35:17.740 the unions in Ontario? And I said, no, he says they're sending letters to the teachers saying do not

01:35:23.880 discuss the vaccines in class, which is huge, because they the teachers were pushing in class, they were

01:35:29.500 promoting vaccines over the speaker, you know, during recess and lunch, etc, through classroom

01:35:35.920 announcements. And it was really it's quite horrifying, especially knowing how dangerous this

01:35:41.440 experimental injection is. And so the notices of liability are doing great. We personally sent them

01:35:48.780 by registered mail to every single head of the Minister of Education in every province and the head of

01:35:55.580 every teachers association, every union leader in Canada in each province got it. All 60 school

01:36:02.000 superintendents in BC also received it via register mail. And we have people across the nation who who are

01:36:09.840 launching this campaign, we're going to be putting it on pause right now because the schools are closed.

01:36:15.060 And now we are directing it at elected officials. We have 20 mayors here in BC who put out this challenge

01:36:21.820 scene who could get the most amount of their residents vaccinated. And they need to be held liable, they

01:36:28.120 need to understand that they are not medical professionals, they should not be coercing the public

01:36:33.520 into doing this. And because we personally know how dangerous this is. And I wish the church was active

01:36:40.500 involved and ringing this from the mountaintops. But here we are doing a very grassroots movement across

01:36:47.400 the nation. And we've also got one, a message will relaunch it in August when we go to relaunch the

01:36:55.020 notices of liability towards educators. And it was against the masks exemptions on kids mask exemptions.

01:37:03.820 Actually, Ron, just for a moment, we go to that one under recent actions. Yeah, click on that. And then

01:37:10.280 we'll just scoop down to the one that I'm talking about. We did a video just down right there where the

01:37:16.080 child is masked warning school mandates are causing severe. And to me, you know, as a body of Christ,

01:37:24.340 I believe that we should be talking, the pastor should be talking about these things. Do you want

01:37:29.480 to click on that one? We should be talking about these things at the pulpit. God very clearly says

01:37:34.880 in the word, you know, that we are to help the the widow, and the orphan, and that we're to protect

01:37:42.840 those who can't protect themselves. And with the amount of psychological warfare that we're

01:37:48.220 undergoing. Yeah, that can just pause. And so there's another notice here that we can sign to

01:37:55.260 protect our children. And I think we as a community need to be very well educated through these materials

01:38:00.980 to understand what's really going on. And if you read even one notice of liability that we've produced,

01:38:07.140 I think that you'll have a whole new look if you're not already aware. Anyways, that's just one of the

01:38:13.040 things we're into. And right now that we're we're really rallying on and coming up, we're going to be

01:38:19.500 getting behind the parties that are running. There's yesterday, Maxime had announced it regarding

01:38:26.500 Derek Sloan, but there will be announcement there coming in the next week. And I think that we also have

01:38:31.680 a duty to get behind people in our communities, and be involved in government. And I think that's

01:38:37.840 biblical. Jesus had appointed those to the 12 tribes, and we're to look for those godly leaders.

01:38:44.760 And we have a responsibility and a duty to do that. So I'll leave it on that note. Super grateful to

01:38:50.520 our special guest speakers today. And for all of you spending this time with us.

01:38:55.140 All right. Thank you so much, Tanya. One last thing on the bottom right hand corner,

01:38:59.320 take a look at it. It says file, you're going to see three dots. Click on those three dots.

01:39:05.160 And you will see save chat, everything that's been discussed, all the links, all the websites,

01:39:10.560 my email address, everything is there. So click on that save chat, it's going to be saved to your

01:39:15.480 desktop, then you'll have all the information that we were going over today. And we just thank you so

01:39:21.500 much for being a part of this seminar. We pray God's abundant blessing upon you until we see each other

01:39:26.400 again. Don't be a stranger, send us emails, reach out to us, we'll get you connected. And we hope

01:39:32.520 that you'll also volunteer with Action for Canada. Thank you.

Action4Canada - July 16, 2021

A4C Special Guests Maxime Bernier and Aaron Rock

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