Action4Canada - September 30, 2026


Empower Hour Rocco Galati: A4C Legal Battle: Rocco Galati Breaks It Down — Sept 2026

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00:00:00.000 The
00:00:26.820 It's time to take a stand and stop the sexualization of our children.
00:00:55.460 Action for Canada has created a Notice of Liability to assist you.
00:00:59.740 The title of this NOL is Facilitating an Exposure of Minors to Sexually Explicit Educational Resources, Activities, and or Events.
00:01:11.480 The United Nations has mandated that all member nations implement the Comprehensive Sexuality Education Resource.
00:01:19.660 CSE is a learning platform that was developed within the context of a program developed by UNESCO.
00:01:27.420 This so-called resource sexualizes children at the earliest age as possible,
00:01:32.360 and it's no surprise that it's causing great harm to our children, as well as attacking the traditional family unit.
00:01:40.480 According to Section 163.1 and Section 152 of the Criminal Code,
00:01:46.520 as well as the Canadian Centre for Child Protection,
00:01:50.000 it's a criminal offence to sexualise and exploit children.
00:01:54.460 Here at Action for Canada, we've been working to expose this evil agenda
00:01:59.000 and to empower parents, grandparents and concerned citizens to take a courageous stand.
00:02:06.440 In an effort to assist you, we've created a page on our website
00:02:10.360 where you will find an incredible assortment of information on this issue,
00:02:14.840 including the various programs that have been introduced into our schools.
00:02:19.940 Beyond the Basics is the resource used in Nova Scotia,
00:02:23.460 WIN Sex Ed is used in Ontario,
00:02:26.220 CSE is used in Manitoba,
00:02:28.740 and SOGI 123 is used by the rest of the provinces.
00:02:32.980 By introducing these programs into our educational system,
00:02:36.640 our children and youth are being exposed to sexually explicit pornographic materials
00:02:42.020 in the form of books, magazines, and comic strips.
00:02:46.740 Our kids are also encouraged to become members of organizations
00:02:50.140 that promote sexually deviant behavior and the exploitation of minors.
00:02:56.240 Be sure to take advantage of this Notice of Liability,
00:02:59.620 which will advise teachers, librarians, trustees, ministers, etc.,
00:03:03.860 that they will be held personally liable for exposing minors
00:03:07.640 to any form of pornography or sexually explicit material
00:03:11.780 as well as any activities or organizations promoting sexual deviancy and the exploitation
00:03:18.280 of minors. By using this valuable NOL, you have the ability to demand that the CSE learning
00:03:26.000 resources be immediately and completely removed from libraries and the education system,
00:03:33.040 that all of the books listed, including titles by the same authors, be immediately removed,
00:03:38.540 and that all educational facilities, including libraries, cease and desist promotion of any and all activities,
00:03:47.260 including performers and clubs that exploit our innocent, impressionable, and vulnerable children and youth.
00:03:54.680 Knowing is not enough. You must take action.
00:03:58.440 Here are some powerful actions you can take to protect our youth, no matter your age or station in life.
00:04:05.480 Pull your children out of public schools and universities.
00:04:09.660 Run, facilitate, join, or help with a homeschool group.
00:04:13.920 Get involved in writing letters and serving notices of liability.
00:04:18.700 Run for office as a school board trustee, mayor, or city councillor.
00:04:24.020 Connect with an Action for Canada chapter near you.
00:04:27.760 We cannot ignore this message.
00:04:30.360 Our children and youth are being subjected to twisted ideologies,
00:04:35.360 using social justice as a means to indoctrinate and groom them,
00:04:39.500 and we must protect them.
00:04:41.920 Thank you for taking a stand to protect kids.
00:04:45.860 If you like what we're doing at Action for Canada,
00:04:48.720 please consider making a donation to support our ongoing work.
00:04:53.520 And be sure to join a chapter near you.
00:04:56.980 God bless you, and God bless Canada.
00:05:00.360 Hello and welcome to tonight's show where we provide information and resources for everyday Canadians.
00:05:29.120 We're so glad you can join us.
00:05:31.460 This is the show you've been waiting to watch for a very long time.
00:05:36.340 Action for Canada's lawyer, Rocco Galati, and Ted Kuntz of Vaccine Choice Canada are
00:05:41.780 our guest speakers.
00:05:43.420 And the title of tonight's show is Action for Canada's Legal Battle.
00:05:48.720 Rocco breaks it down.
00:05:50.440 It's Wednesday, September 30th, 2026.
00:05:53.900 And this is the Empower Hour.
00:05:56.140 action for canada is a national movement reaching out to millions of canadians
00:06:02.700 and uniting our voices in opposition to the destructive policies tearing at the fabric of
00:06:08.460 our nation through call to action campaigns we educate equip mobilize and empower citizens to
00:06:15.820 take action we are committed to protecting faith family and freedom we'd like to take this moment
00:06:23.580 and to thank you for supporting Action for Canada.
00:06:26.780 We are 100% donor supported
00:06:29.400 and it's because of your generous contributions
00:06:32.180 that we're able to provide free content
00:06:34.360 and pursue important legal actions.
00:06:37.920 We want Canadians to be strong in the truth
00:06:40.320 and Action for Canada is uniquely
00:06:42.640 and strategically positioned to serve you
00:06:45.380 and to provide resources which will uphold
00:06:47.880 our God-given rights and freedoms.
00:06:50.280 So thank you for being on board with us.
00:06:52.620 For those of you who are new to the show and want to contribute financially, you can go to the Action for Canada website and click on Donate to give a one-time or a recurring monthly donation.
00:07:09.380 Action for Canada is on the front lines of bringing public awareness and relevant resources to citizens all across Canada, and leading the charge is Tanya Gaw, the founder and leader of this national movement.
00:07:21.800 Many of you became aware of Tanya's work during the 2020 COVID lockdowns, but she's actually been working for over 11 years, standing up, sounding the alarm and educating fellow Canadians about government malfeasance and corruption.
00:07:37.660 Will you all please help me welcome Tanya Gaw.
00:07:40.400 well thank you heather for that and i especially want to thank you as well for always mentioning
00:07:47.000 the donations but specifically thanking our donors because we literally can't continue to the work
00:07:53.680 do the work that we're doing without them and that has never been more evident to me as we have been
00:07:59.020 immersed in these legal actions in the last couple of months and i was sitting there yesterday i've
00:08:04.880 got a little bit of a cold it is flu season but don't go rush to the doctor just pump up on the
00:08:09.160 vitamin c go to the health food store get some good vitamins and stuff in you and you'll be okay
00:08:13.500 don't don't fall into any scare tactics that's my little side but anyways as i was sitting there
00:08:19.100 yesterday feeling sick and trying to still get some work done i was going over uh legal actions
00:08:25.360 and i was considering uh the appeals and the positions we're in with the drag queen case
00:08:31.440 and moving forward um or not what we're considering with the case uh coming up with here with rocco
00:08:38.080 We're going to have a fulsome discussion tonight. I'm really glad that Ted had decided to join us.
00:08:43.160 We sort of asked him last minute, but Ted has been a part of this from the very onset in 2020,
00:08:49.820 when he and Rocco were already working together and they were fighting against the mandating immunization for children.
00:08:59.340 And then they walked straight into this COVID fraud and from there on set off and put their cases forward.
00:09:06.660 And then I met Ted and then Action for Canada had just the delight of meeting Rocco. It's going to be one of the highlights of my lifetime for the very reason of the season that we're walking through.
00:09:18.860 And as we go through tonight and to genuinely learn what this man has done for Canadians against much opposition and criticism, I might add, but he had the shoulders to take it, as did Ted Kuntz and as did myself.
00:09:32.860 But that all comes full circle back to me thanking everyone for donating to the cause, to donating to Vaccine Choice Canada, our legal actions and keeping us going, because this is a major battle and we can't do this without you.
00:09:46.220 And so we ask you to continue to donate.
00:09:49.200 We know that times are tough.
00:09:50.500 I'm just going to share my screen right now.
00:09:52.320 And we know that the government is pressing down.
00:09:54.800 But if people like us don't stay on the front line and fight for you, then we will be lost.
00:09:59.820 They will win.
00:10:00.540 And I believe that there is still hope that we are going to be victorious.
00:10:05.680 So this is what Action for Canada looks like nationwide.
00:10:09.200 I ask that you would join a chapter, become a chapter leader, reach out to us, even just ask questions about doing so.
00:10:15.460 But in a country this big, we need to mobilize at the community level.
00:10:20.240 And where Action for Canada has been doing that, we've been having tremendous success.
00:10:24.880 And that should encourage you, encourage you to sign up, encourage you to get involved.
00:10:29.760 We cannot sit back any longer and hope that somebody else is going to take care of this for us.
00:10:34.500 Now, as I was saying and thanking you for your donations, as you know, drag queen Frida Wells, Tyson Cook, had filed a vexatious, I call it, and frivolous notice of civil claim against us back in 2024, suing us for defamation because we were exposing this individual and some of his activities.
00:10:55.720 The major reason was, of course, because he is an education assistant at a local school district in Kelowna, working with vulnerable children and for Autism BC, and his extracurricular activities are of public interest.
00:11:11.600 He's made himself known as an activist, and when you're going to do that, then you are up to be questioned, and especially when there are children involved.
00:11:19.980 So as of yesterday, you know, it takes a while to make these decisions, whether we appeal, whether we go straight to court, you know, what is going to be the best use of our money and what is of the best purpose.
00:11:32.920 If we leave a decision stand, then you can't go back later and undo that decision.
00:11:38.220 And so in this instance, we felt that we needed to appeal the judge's decision to dismiss our, oh, sorry, I got tied up there a little bit.
00:11:52.860 Our, sorry, we're going to have to go back to that, Terenzio, and do a little clip there.
00:11:59.040 No problem.
00:12:00.720 Yeah, just coming across our slap, our anti-slap.
00:12:04.000 he was the decision was to dismiss our anti-slap and we don't feel that that decision to stand
00:12:09.720 based on the evidence that we brought forward um just in case you are new to understanding who
00:12:16.340 this individual is this is mr tyson cook and on his facebook page this is um in 2019 april of 2019
00:12:25.200 and he has uh stated that they do not perform in front of minors this is at an adult drag queen
00:12:33.060 event. And this is what we happen to be looking at. And I think that it's important that if
00:12:40.960 somebody is telling you that they are only entertaining adults, that it is worth looking
00:12:47.840 into this. And that's what Action for Canada has done. Having a little bit of a problem sharing
00:12:53.240 screen. This is evidence that he said he's actually hosting this event. These are the
00:12:58.900 individuals backstage and we've tied everything together to show yes indeed Mr. Cook was at an
00:13:05.780 adult drag queen event with a minor attending this event and this just doubles down on our concerns
00:13:13.020 and why we feel it's important to continue this case. Now under legal action in our menu if you
00:13:20.920 just drop down there's A4C legal action regarding COVID with Rocco Galati as our counsel and then 0.97
00:13:27.120 there's the legal action to help stop the vexatious drag queen Frida Wales and you can
00:13:33.600 follow us and get updates now this page is the COVID page if we were to scoot up to the top
00:13:39.240 this has from the onset all of the information that if you want to look at the history of this
00:13:43.940 case the original statement of claim I filed a 25 page affidavit against Bonnie Henry RCMP
00:13:52.500 key correspondence, and every single opportunity that we've had to move this case forward,
00:13:59.200 we have documented. And let me tell you, considering this has been going on since 2021,
00:14:04.400 this is not a lot of updates to be providing you when you see the time length that they have
00:14:09.900 dragged this case out. And this will become critical in our conversation when we discuss
00:14:15.740 what happened in court on September 24th. And I look forward to getting to that. Now, they dismissed
00:14:23.120 our claim in its entirety on Thursday. I am in the process of deciding what steps to take next.
00:14:33.840 And again, we will be going into a conversation regarding the judge who made his decision that day.
00:14:41.480 So Justice Gordon C. Weatherhill heard from the two, several of the lawyers, the defendants lawyers, there were four defendants counsel there, and three of them had spoken before lunch hour, so between 10 and noon.
00:14:57.840 From noon to 2 o'clock, 12.30 to 2 o'clock, there was 12.30 to 2 o'clock, there was a break for lunch.
00:15:08.520 And when we came back, the final lawyer spoke for a few minutes and then Rocco spoke for an hour.
00:15:15.260 And he addressed the defendant's arguments and presented his submissions in case law in support of allowing our claim to proceed.
00:15:22.580 After that, the judge requested a 15-minute break, at which time he came back and he announced that he was making his full decision.
00:15:34.480 Without leaving, without taking a moment, he had made his decision.
00:15:40.700 And it was 11 and a half minutes that he spoke in his decision.
00:15:44.820 And so how could he possibly have taken into consideration Rocco's submissions and the case law? And also when we showed up, he didn't have three essential materials that we had delivered well in advance of the case beginning.
00:16:01.120 So this is a complaint that I will be filing with the Canadian Judicial Council, asking them to review the information that I'm going to provide, but we'll talk about some of the vitriol that had taken place and the comments that the judge had made.
00:16:19.060 so I'll just stop sharing screen.
00:16:20.880 This is going to be a very interesting conversation
00:16:23.320 and something that I'm going to ask you
00:16:25.420 because you are our donors, you are our supporters
00:16:28.320 and because we're doing this work
00:16:30.320 not only for ourselves and our own families
00:16:32.120 but for every single Canadian
00:16:33.960 to maintain our freedom, our democracy
00:16:36.800 to pass this beautiful gift
00:16:38.920 that our founding fathers gave to us
00:16:40.920 onto our children and our grandchildren.
00:16:43.580 And so with that in mind
00:16:44.600 I want to know whether in the chat
00:16:47.140 whether when we post the video
00:16:48.860 in the comments section whether you feel that we should appeal this case once you've heard
00:16:54.480 the facts of what transpired last Thursday. So with that, Heather, would you please introduce
00:17:00.020 our guests? We have two guests joining us tonight. Rocco Galati is a prominent Canadian
00:17:08.920 constitutional lawyer who is committed to challenging unconstitutional actions and
00:17:14.300 omissions of the state. He's had a very successful career spanning over three decades,
00:17:20.340 is the founder of the Constitutional Rights Centre, and has twice been named as one of
00:17:26.260 Canada's top 25 influential lawyers by Canadian Lawyer magazine. He's the author of the newly
00:17:33.380 released autobiography, Clowns in Gowns, My Life and the Law. Rocco believes it's his duty,
00:17:40.900 not just as a lawyer but as a Canadian citizen to speak up and take action and we are so thankful
00:17:47.460 for his impressive knowledge, integrity and strength of character. Our second guest is Ted
00:17:55.160 Kuntz. Ted is the president of Vaccine Choice Canada, a not-for-profit society dedicated to
00:18:02.060 protecting informed consent, vaccine education, parental rights in medical decision making and
00:18:07.980 medical freedom for all Canadians. Will you all help me welcome Rocco Galati and Ted Koontz.
00:18:15.340 Hello Rocco and Ted, welcome to the Empower Hour.
00:18:19.520 Thank you. Thank you Heather and welcome Rocco and Ted. Ted, thanks for the last minute here
00:18:26.260 joining us. Like I say, I wanted it to be a more fulsome conversation. You've been in this since
00:18:31.160 the onset in 2020 actually prior to that in the vaccine battle but uh rocco i'm so grateful i think
00:18:38.580 it's been since 2022 since i last had you on the show so we've got a lot of catching up to do on
00:18:43.360 the show tonight absolutely so yeah well where do you want me to start i well i think i i thought
00:18:53.800 maybe we could take a step back from uh action for canada's case because we're going to get back
00:18:59.740 to the netty gritty, and I could update everyone on what generally has happened to COVID litigation,
00:19:08.300 not just with our case or the cases I've carried, but other cases as well. And there are three
00:19:17.600 disturbing phenomenon that have happened with COVID litigation. The first one, a lot of the
00:19:27.020 lower courts have decided that they don't need to hear evidence on the measures or the efficacy
00:19:34.620 and safety of the vaccines or anything. They simply take what we call judicial notice
00:19:42.080 that what the government has done or is doing is fine. And judicial notice is recognizing a fact
00:19:51.960 that's so notorious that you don't need evidence on.
00:19:56.600 So, for instance, you know, that gravity exists on Earth
00:20:01.060 and that there are four directions on the planet, north, south, east, west.
00:20:05.840 Of course, even with such basic notions,
00:20:09.460 if you're standing on the Arctic Circle, there's only one direction and that's south.
00:20:14.000 And if you're standing on the Antarctic Circle, there's only one direction and that's north.
00:20:19.800 But that only to highlight the fact that the courts, the Supreme Court of Canada said that judicial notice is a very, very rare and narrow avenue to bypass the need for evidence being filed and tested.
00:20:40.700 The second thing that the courts have decided is that they're not a venue, they're not a forum for determining scientific facts, which is ridiculous because they do it every day in medical malpractice suits, in engineering catastrophes where buildings give way and structures give way.
00:21:06.320 So they make scientific determinations every day in determining negligence suits.
00:21:13.880 But while saying that the courts are not a venue to determine the science, let's say, of COVID,
00:21:22.740 they'll tell you that's because we've taken judicial notice that the science, as the government touts it, is the right science.
00:21:32.100 So there's a double contradiction there.
00:21:34.740 and the third thing that the courts
00:21:38.000 have decided is that
00:21:39.820 and anyway this is all
00:21:41.940 we don't need
00:21:44.040 to hear any of this because
00:21:45.160 none of the COVID measures
00:21:47.280 breach any charter rights
00:21:49.540 so we have the British Columbia Court of Appeal
00:21:52.040 that said that in a case
00:21:53.060 and other cases
00:21:54.380 excuse me this
00:21:59.040 problem in the voice you hear
00:22:01.440 is the permanent
00:22:03.540 damage to my vocal cords that resulted out of the intubation of my coma in 2021-2022.
00:22:11.280 It fluctuates, but it's there for life. The third thing, as I was saying, is that the courts are
00:22:22.380 saying is the COVID measures do not violate any charter rights. Now, that's what the lower courts
00:22:33.380 both trial division courts and courts of appeal are doing, and they're swimming in their own cesspool.
00:22:41.120 Because I say cesspool is because while they make these pronouncements, they're all directly contradicting very direct and sound Supreme Court of Canada jurisprudence.
00:22:55.600 And so the starting point that I always take them through and everything that I'm about to tell you now, all the courts ignore.
00:23:06.060 They don't deal with these cases.
00:23:07.580 So the first one is the Carter case, which was the assisted suicide case, where the Supreme Court of Canada said as follows, quote,
00:23:21.300 that the right of medical self-determination is not vitiated by the fact that serious risks
00:23:29.780 or consequences, including death, may flow from a patient's decision. It is the same principle
00:23:39.960 that is at work in cases dealing with the right to refuse consent to medical treatment or in demand
00:23:50.080 that treatment be withdrawn or discontinued it is very clear case law from the supreme court in
00:23:55.920 the ontario court of appeal in a case called reed versus fleming and this case from carter
00:24:01.800 that you have an absolutely protected section 7 chartered light right to life liberty and security
00:24:09.120 of the person to refuse any and all medical treatment or procedure that includes vaccines
00:24:14.840 masking distancing closures you name it that's a constitutional right so if you take that as a
00:24:23.060 premise and that that's to do with your physical well-being the supreme court has equally said
00:24:30.180 that section seven protects your psychological well-being as well and we get that from the
00:24:36.440 morgan toller case the o'connor case where a rape victim was under subpoena to testify about her own
00:24:43.720 trauma at the behest of the criminally accused. And the Supreme Court said, well, no, even as a
00:24:50.560 witness, she has Section 7 Charter Rights and the Shauli case, a health care case. Now, why
00:24:58.700 psychological integrity being protected is important is because, you know, a lot of the
00:25:06.780 a lot of people will say, well, they're not strapping you down and injecting you by force.
00:25:12.580 No, but the psychological coercion of either vaccinate or you lose your job or you vaccinate or you can't fly, on and on and on, is also protected by Section 7 of the Charter.
00:25:26.800 Now, the other case that's important in this whole debate that speaks to judicial notice is a case called Regina v. Fine, that's F-I-N-D, which again I point out to these lower courts all the time, and when they put out their decision, they don't even address it.
00:25:51.920 And what Regina v. Fine says is you cannot take judicial notice of scientific fact.
00:26:05.920 And at paragraphs 48 and 49 of that decision, the court states at 48, in this case, the appellant relies heavily on proof by judicial notice.
00:26:21.920 And it goes on, and then in paragraph 49, it tells the appellate why it can't rely on judicial notice.
00:26:30.420 The Supreme Court says the scientific and statistical nature of much of the information relied upon by the appellate further complicates this case.
00:26:43.020 This is why it must be proved through an expert whose qualifications are accepted by the court and who is available for cross-examination.
00:27:06.460 This case has been relied upon and cited for a very clear statement that you cannot take judicial notice of scientific fact.
00:27:20.800 It's too nuanced, it has too many variables, and so on.
00:27:26.300 Yet, all these lower courts don't have a problem with ignoring this Supreme Court of Canada jurisprudence.
00:27:33.160 And this is very distressing to me as a constitutional lawyer, because it's a serious erosion of the rule of law. One aspect of the rule of law, a crucial aspect of the rule of law, is the idea of stare decisis, that similar cases are similarly ruled upon, and the idea of an appellate hierarchy.
00:28:00.220 Part of stare decisis says, thou shalt obey the Supreme Court.
00:28:06.240 The reason we have an appellate structure, if it's lost on anyone, and it seems to be lost now on the judiciary itself,
00:28:15.600 the reason we have an appellate structure is that we recognize that the lower courts sometimes or often get it wrong.
00:28:25.320 Otherwise, why will we have a right to appeal if the lower courts were infallible, like the Vatican, you know?
00:28:34.540 So, but they seem to ignore the Supreme Court of Canada.
00:28:40.500 Now, excuse me, there's only been one case so far that's been decided by the Supreme Court of Canada on the COVID measures.
00:28:52.520 And it came out February of this year, 2026. It's the Taylor versus Newfoundland and Labrador case. It dealt with the travel ban in Newfoundland, temporary travel ban. And the travel ban was imposed very early in the pandemic, as the government cited.
00:29:14.500 Now, interesting to note what the Supreme Court decided vis-a-vis these other three landing bases of the lower and appellate courts of the provinces.
00:29:30.680 Number one, the Supreme Court of Canada didn't decide that the travel ban did not violate the charter.
00:29:37.640 It found that it viciously violated both Section 6.1 and 6.2 of the charter mobility rights
00:29:45.000 and reminded the government that mobility rights are also tied to your Section 7 charter rights to liberty, life, and security of the person.
00:29:53.840 Once it decided that it violated Sections 1 and 2, the Supreme Court went on to analyze, under Section 1, whether or not the ban was demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society, and whether the ban was saved by Section 1.
00:30:17.500 Ultimately, the Supreme Court decided that the ban was saved by Section 1.
00:30:22.620 But what's really critical is to see how they got there.
00:30:27.280 Throughout the decision, the Supreme Court didn't take judicial notice of anything.
00:30:34.940 It parsed, it analyzed the expert scientific evidence that had been filed in the case
00:30:42.800 And the context of that evidence in the fact that the ban was imposed at the very early stages of the declared pandemic, and that there was no scientific certainty yet, one way or the other, and therefore they proceeded with caution.
00:31:09.980 And so in that context, the Supreme Court said it was justified. They also cited that the other side didn't provide any scientific evidence on certain points.
00:31:22.280 So my only point is that the Supreme Court of Canada went nowhere near judicial notice. They engaged in an analysis of the evidence before it, the scientific expert evidence.
00:31:37.660 And they keep coming back to this point.
00:31:43.020 And so what you have is the Supreme Court of Canada's decision on the COVID measures,
00:31:48.560 the only one that is completely at odds with the orbiting conclusions of the lower courts
00:31:56.220 of taking judicial notice as the scientific facts,
00:32:00.500 of saying there's no charter violations by the COVID measures.
00:32:07.660 of saying that the court cannot look at scientific evidence
00:32:11.520 because it's not a laboratory or other such nonsense
00:32:17.420 that the courts have decided.
00:32:19.360 So what you have is not just in the context of a COVID case,
00:32:32.720 you have Supreme Court of Canada jurisprudence
00:32:35.540 that contradicts all these findings of the lower courts
00:32:39.360 and the ballot courts, jurisprudence that these lower courts
00:32:42.740 never want to deal with and don't deal with.
00:32:46.200 And so what you have, essentially, is a very serious affront
00:32:50.040 to the rule of law.
00:32:52.360 That's what you have.
00:32:53.920 I would say, I say a serious erosion.
00:32:57.660 It's more of a severe mudslide.
00:33:01.940 It's near, in my view, in my humble view,
00:33:05.540 We're at a point where the rule of law is almost collapsed in Canada.
00:33:11.440 And people will say, oh, you're exaggerating because it's only in the context of COVID.
00:33:16.400 Well, no, it could collapse tomorrow on another political issue.
00:33:19.260 What I see is a judiciary that's not applying the law, is not listening to the arguments on the contrary, but is almost following a Salem witch hunt of a frenzy, an emotional frenzy.
00:33:35.540 You're either pro-vax or you're an anti-vaxxer.
00:33:40.020 Well, that's not analysis.
00:33:42.540 That's incantation.
00:33:44.380 That's medieval. 0.99
00:33:46.240 You're a witch or you're a warlock or the earth is flat. 0.95
00:33:51.180 It's not round. 1.00
00:33:52.340 And if you say it's round, I'm going to put you to death or blind you like I did Galileo.
00:33:57.000 So this is where we're at right now.
00:34:00.160 And it's so and anything that touches COVID and the other area of the law that touches COVID similarly gets eroded and flushed down the drainpipe.
00:34:12.220 Like if you're engaged in a family law dispute where one parent wants their child vaccinated and the other doesn't, the family law principles go out the window because the judge, if they're pro-vaccination, is going to order the kid vaccinated.
00:34:29.160 and if they're not they're going to apply the law but get overturned by the court of appeal
00:34:33.500 because they take judicial notice of the fact that vaccines are all vaccines are safe and effective
00:34:39.920 and so and so this is essentially what happened last week in our case where the government lawyers
00:34:50.020 made their submissions we recessed for an hour and a half for lunch came back there was more
00:34:56.400 submissions. I made mine. They came back for their reply. And right after 15 minutes, and after
00:35:03.620 their brief reply, the judge within seconds said, I'm ready to give the decision. And what came out
00:35:11.720 was a rant of venom that had nothing to do with the case. And Tanya will get into what he said
00:35:21.240 as part of his decision and did not address any of my arguments at all no it was such a travesty
00:35:29.320 of the the procedures of the court rocco that i know that we had a good group of people there
00:35:34.820 attending and when the defendants council got up to spoke first it was uh the council representing
00:35:42.020 the province bonnie henry eb and whoever else was named and then it was the council for the
00:35:48.720 federal government for justin trudeau theresa tam and first of all no offense to them but they were
00:35:55.660 probably straight out of law school they didn't feel it was necessary to send well-seasoned
00:36:00.960 lawyers like yourself to even make an argument or debate with you or or do what the purpose of the
00:36:06.380 courts is there for and so then after we had the hour and a half break and and the final lawyer
00:36:12.520 came on to speak briefly you came on and all of us just sat there and we were thinking oh that's it
00:36:18.440 were winning this motion to strike, because you were brilliant. You've got nearly 40 years
00:36:23.180 of law behind you, your top constitutional lawyer, and there was literally no comparison
00:36:28.620 listening to you and these other young lawyers speaking. They had the vitriol that they had
00:36:36.220 nothing but to criticize the amended notice of civil claim. They wanted to use the former Judge
00:36:42.980 ross's uh language as as well i think judge witherhill did that and so when it came to you
00:36:50.060 and we just sat there and went bam you came with case law you came with everything apart from what
00:36:57.140 it looked like my distress came from the fact that he did not address our arguments at all
00:37:04.520 a hundred percent and there's no way no way that lengthy decision of his could have been written
00:37:11.940 on the spot in his head it had to be pre-prepared either before he came in that morning
00:37:18.300 or he might have prepared it during lunch but if he prepared it during lunch it was just as
00:37:26.200 offensive because i hadn't yet gotten up to make my submissions until after lunch so there was no
00:37:32.160 very little time there was no time between me making my submissions and him coming up with
00:37:38.100 this decision that he arranged this organized uh uh decision and maybe you can tell people
00:37:48.300 you can quote from the decision the kinds of things he was saying had nothing to do with the
00:37:53.420 case yeah i'll do that right now and i will be making this this letter of complaint public um
00:37:59.440 But as, you know, Rocco and I are saying, there wasn't even a breath before he came back.
00:38:03.960 He didn't have to leave the bench.
00:38:05.300 He had his notes there and he started reading them.
00:38:07.740 And there was vitriol and there was definitely discrimination in those words.
00:38:13.060 And so I'm going to just go straight to those.
00:38:15.200 And so in his reasons, Justice Witherhill described the amended claim as a hodgepodge of verbosity and said that inflammatory and conspiratorial language had been removed from an earlier version.
00:38:26.260 He went on to describe the pleading as an incoherent, unintelligible, unintelligent diatribe.
00:38:34.280 Then he went on, and I found this most troubling, was when he stated that the claim sought to take the court into conspiratorial and demon-haunted shadow of Christian nationalism's opposition to and defiance of the COVID-19 measures introduced by the federal and B.C. government in 2020.
00:38:51.920 Let that sink in. I'm going to repeat it. Conspiratorial and demon-haunted shadow of Christian nationalism. Now, Canadian Anti-Hate Network has done smear campaigns on Action for Canada, calling us Christian nationalists, because society, as they are trying to destroy us and bring communism in or whatever, Christian nationalism, in order to destroy our Christian foundation, is the direction they're going.
00:39:14.300 And so if the judge had knowledge of Action for Canada being called Christian nationalists, but he doesn't have knowledge of what's going on with Fauci down in the United States and the trials or the Allison inquiry inquiry recently, where people are giving their firsthand testimony.
00:39:34.020 and so these these individuals between the lawyers and the judge are making a mockery
00:39:39.620 of the court as far as i'm concerned um i think there was one more uh oh yeah this is
00:39:45.020 rocco's one of rocco's favorites i'll get to it um he referred to the decision in which a claim
00:39:51.420 was described as grandstanding political advocacy with um and that he said the sentiment applied
00:39:56.900 with equal force in this case and then went on to say that he had no hesitation in accepting the
00:40:02.600 defendant's submissions in their entirety. He characterized Mr. Gladi's submissions for the
00:40:07.380 plaintiffs as general, vague, and superficial protests. Now, if you were there, once we get
00:40:13.180 the transcripts and makes those public, and this judge refused to provide us an online link so that
00:40:20.380 the public could participate and listen in on this case, and I'm wondering if it's because of
00:40:26.520 this diatribe that he had prepared. And then so finally, he goes, alarmingly, I say, the judge
00:40:34.220 summarized the amended pleadings as well as our counsel submissions as trying to put lipstick on
00:40:39.520 a pig. So there is no doubt in my mind that the judge's decision was predetermined. I think this
00:40:49.140 was extremely unprofessional in the letter just to finalize I do quote a number I went to because
00:40:59.460 the Canadian Judicial Council has ethical principles for judges by which they're they're
00:41:04.680 supposed to follow and if not they can be removed from the bench and I mean this guy he's in
00:41:09.420 violation of nearly all of them and it was vitriol it was with venom that that he brought this
00:41:16.000 statement forward so Rocco how would you respond to what you witnessed that day
00:41:20.660 I was I was uh distressingly uh embarrassed and uh uh you know uh at hearing that I mean
00:41:33.380 at one point he said this kind of claim has no place in a courtroom I'd say the venom in his
00:41:40.640 reasons after having not addressed one of my arguments has no place in a courtroom and so
00:41:48.180 that's i i i was not privy when i heard that comment about uh christian nationalist demon
00:42:00.000 laced or whatever he said i i saying where's this coming from this is nowhere in the pleadings
00:42:06.500 nowhere in the government submissions he's got this where off the internet he's reading this
00:42:12.660 somewhere off the internet and he's putting into his decision out of i just out of the blue and as
00:42:19.680 you say if he's going to go looking at the internet he should be looking at the fact that
00:42:24.180 the entire uh covet agenda is under a microscope south of the border and fauci practically took
00:42:31.740 the fifth amendment on his own name yeah and it's not only in america it's overseas everybody is
00:42:38.360 talking about this and he's not supposed to deal with extraneous evidence that's not before him
00:42:44.980 that's the other distressing thing about the judgment is that he is not applying the law
00:42:50.740 on a motion to strike this is not submissions after a trial or reasons on a summary judgment
00:42:59.160 motion where evidence has been tendered and tested and cross-examined like in the taylor
00:43:05.040 case evidence was before the court this is at the the pleading stage and he's bringing extraneous
00:43:12.860 insulting religiously inflammatory remarks that come out of nowhere except his own head
00:43:21.520 and wherever he got them yeah i know that's what's distressing to me as a lawyer everyone
00:43:27.940 Everyone that was sitting there was shocked.
00:43:31.140 But my overarching distress is not just this particular judge, but all the judges who are disposing of these COVID cases. 0.91
00:43:41.700 What's happening to our system, our judicial process, and what's happened to our system, our administration of justice,
00:43:48.480 to the point that people, level-headed people, intelligent people like Ted Kuntz and his
00:43:55.000 organization felt compelled to withdraw from the process, not because they had any doubts about
00:44:01.860 their charter rights or any doubts of my ability to present their case, but they lost confidence
00:44:08.460 in the judicial system. Maybe Ted could speak to that. The Vaccine Choice Canada made that statement
00:44:17.300 public as to why they were pulling out of the courts. Yeah, Tanya, as you know, we had a very
00:44:24.020 similar case to what you brought forward with Rocco, except ours was in Ontario. And I worked
00:44:32.120 with Rocco on our statement of claim and reviewed it word by word. And I thought Rocco had provided
00:44:38.820 a compelling declaration of this global tyranny that we're facing. And what I saw was different
00:44:47.100 from what Rocco was doing and what we wanted Rocco to do and all others is that we wanted to
00:44:52.660 talk about this was bigger than Bonnie Henry this was bigger than Dina Henshaw this was bigger than
00:44:58.200 you know Teresa Tam this was a global agenda to take away both our individual and our national
00:45:05.660 sovereignty but as we worked through the process with Rocco we got to a place of saying our courts
00:45:12.280 are so corrupt. We were loathe to continue that process because what Rocco advised us is that
00:45:20.920 there are different rules for if you lose a case and you have to pay court cause. I mean, Rocco,
00:45:26.800 I think you estimated we could have been assessed in the neighborhood of $200,000 because of how
00:45:33.280 Ontario makes those decisions. And one is we weren't in a position to take that risk, but two
00:45:42.000 is I was afraid that we were going to add to bad case law. And so I was thrilled when you persisted
00:45:50.300 in British Columbia. The rules are a little different in British Columbia. You also had
00:45:54.200 more evidence than we had when we initially filed. And the evidence was so compelling of the harm of
00:46:02.080 our government mandates and the violations of fundamental rights and freedoms. You know, I spoke
00:46:09.200 with Rocco after the court of the case last week and I said Rocco this must be incredibly disturbing
00:46:15.060 for a man who's dedicated his life to the rule of law in Canada to our charter of rights and
00:46:21.000 freedoms and to witness such pitiful uh disrespect uh not only of the charter but of every Canadian
00:46:29.120 in this country um it's it's you want to weep um because of this yeah and you know when we're
00:46:38.380 When I think about Rocco and the depth of the travesty here is that it isn't like the opposition has only come from the other side, who are behind this scandalous, murderous objective in getting the vax out and taking control over everything we say and do.
00:46:58.180 It is the fact that people within, even other lawyers, would criticize the work that Rocco was doing.
00:47:04.740 And, you know, I just say from the inside, Rocco and I are telling you that when we say he is a top constitutional lawyer, there's a reason for that. And Rocco, I know that you were telling me about the, was it the Bar Association at the 150 year anniversary, they had highlighted the 12 top cases that had had an impact in Canada.
00:47:28.260 And I believe three of your cases, I'm talking in 150 years, 12 top cases, three of your cases were on that list.
00:47:37.880 What they did, the editor-in-chief of the CBA magazine, The National, surveyed retired Supreme Court of Canada judges to ask them what they thought the most important, impactful cases in the court's 150-year history were, and they named 12 cases.
00:47:58.480 Of those 12 cases, I was central to three of them.
00:48:02.460 And I want our listeners to really let that sink in.
00:48:06.340 so if you something i was considering these last days as i've like i say no but it's this this is
00:48:13.620 where i get the stress i mean it's not that i'm i'm i'm trying to sell my resume i'm not applying
00:48:20.320 for a job here but if i if if a lawyer can have that kind of track track record and then all of
00:48:29.160 a sudden all it takes is the as i said the covid environment to say you're a witch you're a warlock
00:48:36.500 and that what all of a sudden i i i overnight convert into uh an incompetent or i'm verbose 0.84
00:48:45.320 or i you know my pleadings are the worst pleadings on the face of the earth well no there's a you
00:48:51.580 know courts you remember when we put in the first claim it was too long it was prolix okay so
00:48:58.880 So rather than arguing about it, we said, OK, well, we'll trim it down.
00:49:02.560 We trimmed it down to 44 pages.
00:49:05.260 Oh, now they were complaining the other day in court that some of the assertions were not backed up by anything.
00:49:11.780 No, but you demand that we remove the citing of the 89 peer-reviewed studies that we had cited in the first claim. 0.66
00:49:20.640 So it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
00:49:23.320 This is how the game of motions to strike works.
00:49:26.180 but at the end of the day they're not they're not applying the law why is the court not answering
00:49:34.320 this supreme court of canada case that you cite does not apply because of abc this other one does
00:49:40.940 not apply to the issues because of this this and that they don't do that they just ignore the
00:49:45.720 submissions and you know one of the seminal cases i i myself and uh roger roe co-counseled on was
00:49:55.540 the Baker case in 1999 that established that we have the right to reasons
00:50:00.780 and that a court or any deciding body has to answer the submissions of counsel
00:50:08.280 and their reasons.
00:50:09.200 So we know why you're rejecting those arguments.
00:50:12.920 And none of these judges do that.
00:50:16.000 And none of these cases honestly do that, you know, on COVID cases.
00:50:21.540 There seems to be something about COVID that's created a cult.
00:50:25.540 Well, it's you ran circles around them, Rocco. And I'm not just saying that, you know, because I'm I'm not defending Rocco. I'm an advocate here. I'm a supporter of Rocco because I've seen the work and the sacrifice and what he's done for us. And it really was a travesty of justice. There was no justice that took place on Thursday. I think what's obviously.
00:50:47.040 Tanya, travesty is not against me.
00:50:50.420 It's against the plaintiffs and other Canadians who rely on their judicial system to have integrity.
00:50:58.480 Well, and this is what I was just going to get to, Rocco, is I'm going to talk about Valerie-Anne because she was there in the court with us.
00:51:04.880 She's one of our plaintiffs.
00:51:05.900 And, you know, years ago in 2020, when you and I agreed, yes, you're going to take this case on, Ted will know this, you spend a lot of hours talking to different plaintiffs, hearing their stories.
00:51:15.480 You guys have just now are hearing them on the Allison inquiries. We were hearing those in person in 2020. And in 2021, when this deadly vaccine and causing great injury came out. And so we put a lot of time and effort and investment into this emotionally. You know, we're compassionate towards these people, and we want justice for them.
00:51:35.340 so valerie ann shows up and valerie ann is the plaintiff that was on was on sky train
00:51:42.880 and the military mr quok for the uh transit police uh approaches her because she wasn't
00:51:50.640 wearing a mask and she tells them that she has an exemption he refused to listen to her
00:51:55.300 um she really was feisty and defended herself and she kept recording and now he's handcuffing her
00:52:01.240 you know, to the railing, while this is going on, the TransLink speaker is instructing people to
00:52:08.560 wear a mask unless you have an exception, while this is recording. So literally, they're saying,
00:52:14.960 we didn't come forward with enough evidence, and what is our pleading all about? Oh, gee.
00:52:20.780 And you've got a case like this with a gal sitting there in the court, undoubtedly, when the ruling 1.00
00:52:25.960 was was being read uh she left she couldn't even listen to the end and a couple of people broke
00:52:31.680 down and and cried um you know because of the injustice of this and so there's real people
00:52:37.220 involved in this you take the alice inquiry you put that into work that ted and rocco and i have
00:52:42.260 done and that's what we're representing here and that's why i don't want to let this case go
00:52:46.560 and if uh if that's the case i need people to let me know you guys email us you write in you
00:52:51.740 start sending us money because um if we're going to move forward with this in an appeal it you know
00:52:57.740 they've made the battle even greater now because you've got a i don't want to say a corrupt judge
00:53:02.340 but you know everybody can come to their own conclusion on this who in their right mind
00:53:06.540 would see what's going on either you're not reading the room if you have enough time to
00:53:10.460 find out we're called a christian nationalist organization you have time to know what's going
00:53:14.100 on with fochi you have time to know that bonnie henry's emails are are are live and public and
00:53:21.040 that she knew back in January 2021, her colleagues and her staff were telling her vaccine injuries
00:53:26.480 are taking place. And four months later, she's out there on the front lines proclaiming that
00:53:31.640 vaccines are safe for pregnant women and for nursing babies. And yeah, the injuries just went
00:53:38.480 from there and there. And hey, you're 12 years old, you can go get your vaccine now yourself,
00:53:42.600 you don't need your parents permission. This is what came out of vaccine out of Bonnie Henry's
00:53:47.800 mouth and then just in closing when i had john leak on the show we were talking about even
00:53:52.640 statements that dr mccullough has said about this being murder at this point um when you continue
00:53:58.560 on in something when you know serious injury including death is happening but anyways that's
00:54:03.480 my little tirade for right now but of the injustice and the level of this so um ted do you have yeah
00:54:11.820 My fear is that because the Supreme Court has issued its ruling in Taylor and provided a framework on how to approach these cases, that they'll feel they don't have to hear another one.
00:54:26.760 And while that happens, the lower courts and appellate courts spin in their own world of ignoring the law.
00:54:33.960 But that's where we break through. At least we're doing our part to take it to the greatest extent and exposing the depth of the corruption. And maybe by some miracle one day, if things are reversed, these judges themselves will be held accountable.
00:54:48.700 I don't know where all of this is going, but I see that things are being undone around the world. I see that populist leaders are getting in in countries like it seemed like a miracle for people that were bound by tyranny are now being released and having leaders who are who are embracing the freedoms and I don't know morality. I don't know what to say.
00:55:13.880 I think that's on a political level. My eye is strictly on the judicial forum.
00:55:21.660 And, you know, as I said, five years ago, it was clear that the case law was on the side of maintaining medical informed consent and freedom.
00:55:38.880 it's no longer the case
00:55:40.920 they've simply
00:55:42.980 shut themselves down
00:55:44.800 to wanting to hear anything
00:55:46.780 about COVID measures
00:55:48.060 and the
00:55:49.900 constitutional violations
00:55:52.660 that they inflicted
00:55:53.900 and it's like as I said
00:55:55.620 the best description I have for it
00:55:58.280 is it feels like a cult
00:55:59.980 to me
00:56:00.840 I hesitate to say religion
00:56:03.640 because there's some
00:56:04.440 integrity
00:56:07.060 this is knee jerk this is like the mccarthy era uh salem wichuns massachusetts right there's no
00:56:16.160 rationality you can't have a rational discussion a scientific discussion about something you're 0.95
00:56:22.680 in a frenzy you're an emotional cult-like frenzy yeah there's no two ways around it
00:56:28.440 as you know so i don't know i'll leave it at that speaking as a lawyer but uh okay so where
00:56:36.320 i'd where i'd like to shift right now is to your book the clowns in gowns i've got mine i've i have
00:56:43.320 not i only got it last week so i've only had time to uh review some of the chapters but it's
00:56:48.900 interesting you know um ted and i were having a conversation yesterday and he's he's done better
00:56:54.080 than i have at this he's had time to read about 80 of your book and a couple of things that stood
00:56:58.680 out in my mind comments that ted made is that you know some of these cases that you took on because
00:57:04.880 you know, if someone was to Google and search Rocco Gulati, I mean, you're going to have a
00:57:11.520 lot of information coming at you. So if ever you want to know if you've got a good lawyer you're
00:57:15.460 choosing, just Google them, search them, you know, see what they've accomplished in their lifetime.
00:57:20.500 And I just give you all praise for that, Rocco. But one of the things is, is that Ted was saying
00:57:28.220 that you could take up to 10 years going through the motions of appeals
00:57:33.800 and getting permissions and the whole process of the courts
00:57:38.340 because of whatever the issue that you're on.
00:57:40.920 I mean, corruption has been at the highest levels of government
00:57:43.740 and within our courts for a very long time,
00:57:45.500 within the banking system, which you took on.
00:57:48.020 So that was one thing that stood out.
00:57:50.640 It doesn't necessarily have to be corruption.
00:57:53.380 It's just the resistance of the courts to review the status quo.
00:58:01.640 COVID is different because they're turning upside down the status quo as it stood before COVID.
00:58:09.000 So, for instance, in the Baker case, where we established, amongst other things, that you have a right to reasons, that came out of an immigration case in federal court.
00:58:18.600 And in immigration cases, in federal court, you need to first get permission to bring an issue.
00:58:25.120 I tried 27 times to get permission on the issue of the right to reasons, and they slammed me down every time.
00:58:32.580 Then finally, we got permission in one case, and we went up and we won at the Supreme Court.
00:58:37.340 So, yeah, a lot of cases where you're trying to establish rights that have not been specifically recognized, it could take a decade or two.
00:58:47.340 10, 15 years, no problem. You have to keep knocking at the door. Here, you've got the reverse phenomenon. We have established charter rights to medical freedom and informed consent and all of that, but they're buried in the COVID measure context.
00:59:07.600 That, to me, is worse. I don't mind knocking on the door for something new. But what gets me distressed as a constitutional lawyer is them slamming the door on something that's already been established.
00:59:26.400 And it's not the Supreme Court slamming the door. It's the lower courts.
00:59:31.220 Yeah, and there's got to be a workaround. Ted, go ahead, please.
00:59:34.440 Well, I was just going to say, and they won't even let Rockwell make the arguments. I mean, what this whole case was about is trying to stop you from going and presenting your case in court.
00:59:44.920 And the fact that you wouldn't even allow virtual viewing of this, of your case last week, tells me they don't want people to see what's going on here. They don't want to bring any attention to it. They don't want the arguments that you have to make on the record. They don't want it to be available to the public.
01:00:03.300 Like I've said over and over again, Rocco, I believe that you're the only lawyer in Canada that they're afraid of.
01:00:09.460 Yeah, I agree.
01:00:10.160 You know the Constitution.
01:00:12.020 You have demonstrated your ability to fight these battles for 10 plus years.
01:00:17.000 And you and I both know they don't have the evidence to support what they did.
01:00:22.380 They don't have the right to do what they did.
01:00:25.420 They didn't have the evidence when they did it.
01:00:28.140 That's right.
01:00:28.640 And if people were too afraid to marshal the evidence to contradict it, we never got a chance to present that evidence.
01:00:36.620 And they don't want to give you that chance.
01:00:38.300 And to me, that's what this is about.
01:00:39.680 This is shutting down the rule of law in Canada.
01:00:43.160 And, you know, I've mentioned that the National Citizens' Inquiry is going to conduct its 2027 hearings on do we have a rule of law in Canada?
01:00:51.040 And I've suggested to Rocco we might need him to testify for the whole day.
01:00:56.700 Yeah.
01:00:56.900 another pro bono event for me
01:01:00.340 yeah so you you can tell the viewers that the if they're interested in reading my book it's
01:01:08.780 available on amazon absolutely yeah we've made it available uh in the uh email that we sent out
01:01:15.580 on sunday night and again i'll just hold that up we'll have it in the description clowns and gowns
01:01:21.300 my life in the law and you know when when you read through this book that's the other thing
01:01:26.260 that ted said he says i i had so much respect for rocco before reading this book and now i have so
01:01:32.640 much more respect to see what rocco has done in battling through the canadian courts in the cases
01:01:38.960 that he has chosen to take on um where so many cases you know they just didn't want to hear them
01:01:45.420 and and we've known that they're trying everything the motion to strike is always the first knee-jerk
01:01:50.340 reaction when you file a notice of civil claim for them in an effort to one delay the case and
01:01:56.000 second to stop it. Oh, as I think about delay the case, the one lawyer, I believe it was the one
01:02:00.800 for the federal government for Trudeau, she makes the most, it was the silliest comment to make and
01:02:06.120 how much better it would have been if all of this was dealt with while we were actively involved
01:02:11.180 in COVID. And I'm sitting there like, yeah, wouldn't that have been nice? We were trying
01:02:16.100 for years. And if everybody will remember, this motion to strike should have been heard last
01:02:21.560 October. So we filed the new notice of civil claim in December 2024. And they refused to
01:02:30.280 provide us a date with the courts. And so finally, Rocco kept pressing in, we get it October 20th,
01:02:35.460 then there's a strike, a BC strike, and the lawyers are on strike. And so they say we need
01:02:41.360 to postpone it. And so we kept on them every single month. And they wouldn't give us a date.
01:02:47.540 And so finally, all of a sudden, I think it was June, they say, yeah, you have a date, September 26. And so for anybody criticizing us is like, oh, you didn't work fast enough, and you weren't in the courts. I'm like, oh, my goodness, they don't want us in the courts, because of the evidence that we have to prove that what they did was criminal. And well, we're going for unconstitutional, but it takes a no brainer to realize the criminal aspect of this as well.
01:03:15.040 And so anyways, we've got big decisions to make.
01:03:18.740 Rocco, throughout your book as well, I love that you shared some of your family life.
01:03:23.120 Your daughter as well performed and danced.
01:03:27.100 Please remind me, she danced for, I've got a page right here.
01:03:31.120 Shen Yun.
01:03:32.040 Shen Yun.
01:03:32.780 She was the principal dancer for 17 years.
01:03:36.400 She got to see the whole world.
01:03:38.140 Good for her.
01:03:39.360 She's retired now with a two and a half year old daughter.
01:03:43.760 Yes.
01:03:44.120 yeah just just amazing athletes retire early not like lawyers we just hang around like a bad smell
01:03:51.840 when you when you see some of the moves that you've provided the oh it's just absolutely
01:03:57.300 beautiful she's like a swan um now when i saw her in midair upside down looking at the floor
01:04:04.640 i asked her manager what kind of uh medical insurance package do they have for the dancers
01:04:10.380 yeah yeah i'm sorry i cut you off no no no that's okay and as well for the first time
01:04:16.460 in your book you've spoken about you have twin boys uh yes from your second marriage and with
01:04:22.280 amina i've met amina and your boys your family it's just lovely and your son i believe you said
01:04:29.180 at the age of six was severely your one son was severely vaccine injured one of the twins at the
01:04:34.880 age of four or he was he's completely fluent in three languages by age four and within four and
01:04:42.040 a half weeks uh of uh the mmr booster he lost all speech and his all his functions and he's he'll be
01:04:52.560 they'll be 17 in february i describe what life looked for him looked like for him at that point
01:04:58.880 And so I put that in, not only because it's part of my life, but it's not the reason I took on the COVID cases.
01:05:10.620 I took them on because they were, again, the civil rights issue of the day.
01:05:17.060 They still are. 1.00
01:05:17.780 but it's it's so that people know for all the idiots out there who say i'm just an idiot 1.00
01:05:25.300 a blind anti-vaxxer that no i'm not and that i understand what severe vaccine injury looks like 0.99
01:05:34.480 my son was brilliant he still is but he's trapped in and not and not being non-verbal now
01:05:40.600 he was the smart one between the two uh sons and the other one's already fluent in six languages
01:05:47.580 and he's in a he's in a special school for the gifted uh you know that's nothing they did it's
01:05:54.100 just their dna from their grandmother uh but uh uh you know so so that uh i do have experience
01:06:01.840 with vaccine injury in a very brutal way so uh so when they tell me that they're all safe and
01:06:08.880 effective you know i could tear their tonsils out with my bare hands well and and this is
01:06:14.720 a matter, Ted was on the show a couple of weeks ago, and once again, we spoke about his first-hand
01:06:19.060 experience. And I'd imagine when you first met, you know, there would have been a fast friendship
01:06:23.680 there, having experienced something like this. And then we hear now, Ted was telling us about
01:06:31.580 visiting his daughter and son-in-law and taking his granddaughter to school for the first week,
01:06:37.820 and the teacher very much asking, Ted, why don't you tell that story so that people understand
01:06:42.160 where we're at currently because of the heightened injury due to these immunizations and why they
01:06:47.900 just need to be pulled off the market. Yeah, this was an elementary school in Vancouver and the
01:06:53.080 first week was a whole delayed process for the school to start because the teachers were meeting
01:06:59.600 with every parent and child. And when our daughter-in-law met with the teacher, her questions
01:07:06.200 were these she said does your child have autism no does your child have adh no do your child have
01:07:12.900 allergies no does your child have behavioral problems no and then after asking all those
01:07:18.160 questions she said you're very lucky you're one of the few parents who has a healthy child
01:07:23.620 just just just think about where we are i mean we've gone from when i was a kid to one in 16
01:07:29.520 doses my sister my brother and i now i realized are all have a measure of vaccine injury um but
01:07:35.520 now we see the autism is off the scale and this is what families you know divorces is on on the
01:07:42.260 rise as well it's very hard for families to cope with children you figure if you have children and
01:07:49.040 if you've been blessed with healthy children then you you know know what it's like to have
01:07:53.760 behavioral problems when they're two years old and non-verbal and three years old and maybe not
01:07:57.880 communicating as they should or being disrespectful but just picture that child as that child progresses
01:08:04.240 and not being able to mature along with his growth.
01:08:07.700 And this is what families are being faced with in society right now.
01:08:13.820 So the last thing I want to do...
01:08:15.240 You know, Tanya, on that point, you know, when I was growing up,
01:08:18.740 I was 12 of 13 children my mother had,
01:08:22.340 and my parents were born in 1918 and 1919.
01:08:26.500 And when I was growing up, my mother would say,
01:08:28.160 I don't know what you kids are complaining about.
01:08:30.060 None of you is missing an arm or a leg or an eye. 0.84
01:08:33.580 and I was thinking I think to myself as a kid this is woman nuts of course we're not missing 0.98
01:08:38.920 any limbs she says you're all healthy and boy then when I became a parent and saw the potential for 0.95
01:08:45.740 injury permanent injury and disability I think back to my mother it was a marvel that she
01:08:51.580 raised to adulthood 13 children without any missing limbs and yeah what have you you know
01:08:58.480 Yeah. So like I say, it's a travesty. One thing I want to do before we break up, and it doesn't have to be the end of conversation, but I respect your time, is I want people to know that regardless of which way Action for Canada decides to go on this case, whether we appeal just for the fact of appealing and letting them know and sending a shot like we're not happy with this, we're going to expose you further to the corruption because this case should be heard.
01:09:21.700 These plaintiffs have genuine complaints against what was happening. They have genuine injury, and they deserve their day in court. And so right away, when we filed in August of 2021, one of the defendants was at that time was BC Ferries. And by September, BC Ferries was like Nazi like, as far as people wearing their masks.
01:09:47.660 And you've got to remember, if you take Highway 1 and all of a sudden it ends at a waterway at the Pacific Ocean and you need to get to your home on the island and the ferry is the only means of doing that, talk about being forced, talk about losing bodily autonomy.
01:10:02.800 They were going to come out with VAX mandates and the ferries were willing to do that.
01:10:08.040 Well, by mid-September and near the end of September, they lifted that mandate.
01:10:12.760 They were no longer going to insist even that their employees got vaccinated.
01:10:19.040 I believe that's thank goodness to the Action for Canada notice of civil claim that was filed.
01:10:24.660 Also, Jennifer Whiteside was the education minister who was also named as a defendant.
01:10:29.640 And she chose as the B.C. education minister not to make a mandate that all school staff and teachers needed to get vaccinated.
01:10:37.100 I believe that was because she was named as a defendant, and very possibly that was too much for her to bear to carry that responsibility.
01:10:48.020 She didn't sign up for that originally when she got elected, right? 0.70
01:10:51.200 And what happened with that is they instead, the government, Bonnie Henry, whoever was involved in that, Jennifer Whiteside, 0.98
01:10:58.800 she said that the school boards needed to make the decision to whether or not their school staff and teachers should be vaccinated.
01:11:06.440 So Action for Canada put out a notice of liability immediately.
01:11:09.980 We served it to all the superintendents,
01:11:11.840 and then we served it to every single school board trustee in this province.
01:11:15.920 We had a great team, and I'm so grateful for all of them.
01:11:18.960 And then we sent it registered mail so that none of them could say they never received it
01:11:23.580 to say, you don't have the authority, you don't have the medical experience to mandate this.
01:11:27.940 Are you willing to hold yourself, be held liable, possibly for a vaccine injury?
01:11:33.440 And so as each school board started to vote, they all started to vote no. And we continued that battle going nose to nose with Bonnie Henry for three or four months. And then finally, in the new year, they ended up lifting the order.
01:11:47.520 And then I know there's another win as well that I can't think of right now.
01:11:53.620 But the other one, Ted, that you and I were speaking about yesterday, and Rocco, you and I have spoken about this, is that vaccine, so-called vaccine hesitancy, has really skyrocketed from, was it, either of you, I'll say 10% now, vaccine hesitancy is at 30% or even higher.
01:12:11.600 Are those the correct numbers?
01:12:12.700 well it's hard to know because people are you know are afraid to declare their their status
01:12:18.760 because that you get shamed and ridiculed but at vaccine choice canada we certainly hear more and
01:12:24.440 more families who say i will never vaccinate again uh but rockwood teases us said that uh the best
01:12:30.800 thing that happened to vaccine choice canada was covet because before that we were nobody so
01:12:34.940 well and you couldn't get through to people right yeah according to according to health
01:12:40.020 canada that's gone from two to 27 percent two percent right yeah two percent to 27 percent i
01:12:46.940 thought my 10 was off i was going to say one percent and i i i just want to but i want people
01:12:51.920 to understand that if organizations like vaccine choice canada action for canada and rocco had not
01:12:58.720 stood on the front line defying the government's mandates and warning people under great i just
01:13:05.480 want to be clear it's probably understood but nobody is saying that people are following the
01:13:10.800 marching orders of the uh you know of the oracle of tanya or 10 people as a result yes looked into
01:13:18.660 it did their own investigation and made their own minds about how safe is this when the government
01:13:24.460 is putting up brick walls to answering any questions about it you know yeah people are 1.00
01:13:30.660 stupid at the end of the day you know their own health and their kids health is is 0.99
01:13:35.460 is a self-interested motivator, right? So no doubt that the work of your organizations 1.00
01:13:42.240 have sent people reading and looking into the issue, you know, any, in the same way you would
01:13:49.820 look into any medical issue before you went under the knife or sought serious medical treatment.
01:13:56.440 Vaccines are not unintrusive medical treatment. They're very intrusive.
01:14:01.040 yeah thank you for that Rocco and it was just a guess if I didn't word it right being able to
01:14:07.060 educate people and bring awareness so that they could make up their own mind right and that's
01:14:11.400 what our resources were filled with is like here's the information and especially I mean you could go
01:14:16.300 to your pharmacy and they wouldn't be able to provide you any of the ingredients that's a pretty
01:14:21.180 big major red flag for having informed consent the box on the mask said that these aren't good
01:14:26.740 for flu uh you know so that's another red flag i mean it's very obvious i think they thought that 0.99
01:14:32.980 we were just such a bunch of idiots out here and unfortunately people you know did did fall into 0.97
01:14:39.500 the uh the mass military psychological warfare but we're on the other side of that part and 1.00
01:14:45.300 we're just praying and hoping that people will stay awake and aware and that these numbers will
01:14:50.200 increase ted but there needs to be accountability and that hasn't happened yet this government
01:14:56.540 has done everything it can to avoid being held to account.
01:15:00.280 And I can't sleep until there's accountability here.
01:15:04.980 I got to say, I found something very distressing
01:15:07.620 about Carney's speech about the possibility
01:15:11.360 of having Canada be an associate member
01:15:14.320 of the European Union.
01:15:17.280 Not that I'm mine being, you know, I was born in Europe.
01:15:21.200 But when he said that they need to increase
01:15:24.640 they're very deep crucial ties i don't know if anybody noticed a list of the things he mentioned
01:15:31.800 he said energy ai defense vaccines now why would one medical procedure of all them you know he
01:15:43.780 could have said heart and stroke research you know or cancer no he only mentioned one medical
01:15:51.080 procedure and that's vaccines why because it's three trillion dollars a year on just the covid
01:15:57.320 vaccine floating around you know they're monsters when it comes to the money that's involved yeah
01:16:03.920 you know well we've said you know we've said if we won the and when i had john leek on from the
01:16:09.980 u.s we were saying that if they admit that these were causing injury you got to think then okay
01:16:14.620 what are you going to what's the payout going to be for people that were injured and then it would
01:16:19.540 bankrupt the US. But as you're saying, it's a trillion dollar industry. Who's getting that
01:16:24.660 money? Who should be responsible for paying for those injuries? And of course, we know that they're
01:16:29.900 immune from it, but that's got to be reversed. This is when you're talking about actual criminal
01:16:34.040 behavior such as murder. I think it's time that we reassess this setup. And that goes for Canada
01:16:42.660 as well. And I said to you earlier today, Rocco, that even with everybody with vaccine injured
01:16:47.880 children rather than have these son of a guns get off scot-free and rather than receive payment 0.89
01:16:55.400 to see them go to jail for life or actually be hung would you know probably be satisfying enough
01:17:02.040 to people that there was some accountability like this like during the Nuremberg trials that was
01:17:07.340 that was the result in the end for mass murder in the Nuremberg trials and I just kind of figure
01:17:12.240 that we shouldn't accept anything less right now. Well that's where all the prohibitions and the
01:17:17.800 the helsinki accord came from was from the nazi experimentation uh in world war ii people forget
01:17:27.320 that that's why we have all those rules you know it's it's it's insane the idea of forcing people
01:17:35.080 to take a medical treatment they don't want is insane it's fascistic yeah it's it's i don't know
01:17:42.220 about a hanging but you know i was just referring to the nuremberg trials it just happens to be
01:17:49.040 what took place i was just referring i was just using a little historical example that's it
01:17:54.280 um okay so uh ted as we as we wrap up here ted is there anything that we neglected to cover today
01:18:02.600 that you would want to ask rocco or mention or make a statement i just think this is the most
01:18:09.180 important issue probably in canadian history if we lose this battle it means that we are there is no
01:18:16.060 uh individual rights and freedoms there is no bodily sovereignty there is no right of parents
01:18:21.300 to make medical decisions for their children that we might as well just turn our lives over to the
01:18:26.840 state and and allow the state to decide and and to me that's intolerable and so i i'm sorry ted
01:18:34.660 And I think I'd like to parse what you just said to say we may lose the battle in court, but I think in terms of public awareness and the population, I don't think that battle is going to be lost.
01:18:50.260 And so long as people hold to their rights and act accordingly, that will that will come out in the wash eventually, like everything else historically, you know.
01:19:01.080 OK, well, thank you. Ted, is there anything further that you have?
01:19:04.660 I would encourage people to read Rocco's book. I think they'll come away with a much deeper understanding about the contribution that this man has made to our rights and freedoms in this country.
01:19:16.580 Yeah, thank you for that, Ted, and thanks for being here with us tonight. And Rocco, can we have a closing word from you? Anything that you would like to say to our viewers? It's been so good to have you on again.
01:19:28.020 I say, you know, stand on your rights.
01:19:33.560 The fact that this has happened before, you know, where the courts fail a society.
01:19:38.940 And our society is in devolution.
01:19:42.220 Some people are in denial of that, but we're in fast devolution.
01:19:47.880 But that doesn't mean you give everything up that we've fought centuries and decades to gain.
01:19:55.140 Absolutely.
01:19:55.540 You just, you know.
01:19:57.160 War comes on it. War comes on every generation, Rocco. And I believe this is the government has commenced war against its people. It's been one of the worst wars in history. The fallout has been so tragically bad worldwide. And it really is our time to fight for the next generation.
01:20:15.260 So, again, I've been so honoured to work together with you both and to continue to work with you.
01:20:21.280 And we're just going to pray, you know, that justice somehow is going to prevail.
01:20:25.760 And I'm going to ask our viewers, please pray for Ted, Rocco, myself, that God would give us heavenly kind of wisdom, knowledge, understanding and discernment.
01:20:34.260 Because we've got big decisions to make.
01:20:36.460 We need the support of Canadians.
01:20:38.720 We need you not to be apathetic, but to be involved.
01:20:42.120 Be involved in your elections within your communities.
01:20:44.340 Don't give up thinking the elections are all fraudulent because how do you think they've overturned in countries where populist leaders have gotten into place?
01:20:52.480 It took big fight.
01:20:53.580 It took people being present and on the streets and being the loudest voice.
01:20:57.260 My old Uncle Ed, he's the rest of his soul.
01:20:59.500 He would always say the squeaky wheel gets the attention.
01:21:02.460 So get out there and be super squeaky.
01:21:04.860 All right.
01:21:05.660 Well, just God bless you both.
01:21:07.300 And thank you both, too, for attending tonight with me.
01:21:10.540 Okay.
01:21:11.240 Thank you.
01:21:11.680 all right well thank you so much to everybody who's joined us as always i'm um there isn't
01:21:20.120 going to be an empower hour next week we're going to take the week off as i said i i've been fully
01:21:25.080 involved in in writing complaints and letters and making decisions and we're going to take next week
01:21:30.980 off so we can continue that good work the following week david lindsey will be back with us
01:21:35.640 the two bible verses for tonight i'm going to start to start with one just to give you an
01:21:40.560 encouragement. Proverbs 3, 5 to 6 says, trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your
01:21:46.120 own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge him and he shall direct your paths. And then in
01:21:52.680 closing Galatians, I just going to make this a weekly, it's my favorite. 6, 9 says, let us not
01:21:57.960 become weary in doing good for at the proper time, we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
01:22:04.380 So that's my encouragement today. Don't give up, keep standing. And we've got a lot to fight for.
01:22:09.340 So God bless you, and God bless Canada.
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01:25:21.620 I'm gonna thank our founding fathers for giving their lives and sacrificing so much for our
01:25:33.620 freedom. And I'm calling on you today. Don't put them to shame. Don't waste what they did.
01:25:44.420 We have guaranteed rights in this country.
01:25:51.620 We are putting chapters across the nation.
01:25:58.720 We are going to be in every town and every city,
01:26:02.360 and we are going to build communities within these communities of like-minded people
01:26:07.360 who are actually going to care for one another again and love on each other
01:26:11.220 and give each other the help when they're down.
01:26:14.440 We are going to use the teams and the people that build within chapters
01:26:19.400 to support our businesses.
01:26:21.620 The government's actions are completely, 100% unlawful.
01:26:28.540 Judgment will again be found on justice,
01:26:32.800 and those with virtuous hearts will pursue it.
01:26:36.920 You have a virtuous heart if you are here today
01:26:40.340 pursuing freedom and righteousness.
01:26:44.260 And then verse 23 comes along with a promise.
01:26:48.040 God says he will turn the sins of evil people back on them
01:26:54.240 he will destroy them for their sins
01:26:58.720 I take great comfort in that 0.98
01:27:02.380 because I serve a mighty living God
01:27:06.160 who has allowed us to go through this season of discomfort
01:27:11.700 because we as a nation have turned our backs on him
01:27:15.700 and we need to get right
01:27:18.000 so I am just
01:27:20.100 going to thank you so much
01:27:22.060 I'm going to say God bless
01:27:24.300 you and God bless Canada
01:27:45.700 Oh, oh, oh, oh
01:28:15.700 You