Action4Canada - History of Education & Homeschooling with Israel Wayne

00:00:00.000 and i just wanted to introduce now israel wayne he is an author speaker and radio host who brings

00:00:15.280 a timeless biblical message and is passionate about teaching others to defend the christian

00:00:20.200 faith and develop a biblical worldview israel is a homeschooling dad who has a tremendous

00:00:27.160 amount of wisdom to share with us today so welcome israel thank you appreciate you setting time

00:00:35.640 aside to talk to us and tell us first of all a little bit more about yourself and your role in

00:00:43.000 what you're doing well thank you so much it's an honor to be a guest here today i was actually

00:00:49.740 homeschooled myself way back in the pioneer homeschooling days in the united states my

00:00:55.880 mother began homeschooling my older sister and myself in 1978 the modern day homeschooling

00:01:03.360 movement began about five years after that here in the u.s in 1983 and so we were out ahead of that a

00:01:10.440 little bit so basically everything that's ever happened in the formal modern day homeschooling

00:01:16.380 movement i've pretty much been there for all of it in 1988 my mother started publishing a national

00:01:23.400 homeschooling magazine called homeschooling magazine called homeschool digest that she published until

00:01:27.520 her death a year ago and um and so i became the director of marketing for that after i graduated i

00:01:35.340 graduated from homeschooling in 1991 and uh january of 1993 became the marketing director for

00:01:42.420 homeschool digest magazine which i did for 20 years and um i married my wife brooke 24 years ago she was

00:01:51.060 also homeschooled since 1983 we have 11 children our oldest is 23 our youngest is two uh we have six

00:02:00.820 girls and five boys uh who have been homeschooled from birth so my wife and i are both homeschool

00:02:05.280 graduates homeschooling parents of 11 my day job really for the last 30 years has been working in

00:02:11.420 homeschooling publishing and and christian publishing i've been speaking at homeschooling conferences

00:02:17.060 since 1995 so my private life my professional life all of it has very much been involved in the

00:02:23.940 homeschooling movement i'm also involved in leadership um on state and national levels here

00:02:30.460 in the united states i am vice president of the michigan state homeschool association um which has

00:02:36.980 been around you know long longer than uh i've been involved but about the last decade i've been serving

00:02:43.140 there and i've worked as a advisory council for the national alliance of christian home education

00:02:47.920 leadership i've done a lot of things uh writing books on homeschooling and lots of things so anyway

00:02:53.720 um looking very much forward to this conversation and uh hope it will be beneficial wow you do know a few

00:03:01.780 things about homeschooling i have to say um one of the things i wanted to ask you if you could share

00:03:08.980 um the history of public schools also known as the government schools i know they go back to about

00:03:15.820 the 1850s or so i think in the u.s and in canada it was around confederation around 1867 i don't know

00:03:23.920 exactly or you know give or take a few years but in that era so we weren't that far apart but i know

00:03:29.620 you know a lot about that and if you could talk to us about that and where we are today sure well you know

00:03:37.760 if you look back over the last 6 000 years of human history what has been dominant in history regarding

00:03:44.800 education is parents directly teaching their own children and i want to lay that down first as a

00:03:51.720 foundational framework because this experiment that we have of sending our children away from us

00:03:58.820 to people that we don't know to have them instruct our children for 10 000 to 15 000 hours during their

00:04:08.400 developmental years is a very new a very radical novel revolutionary concept it has not been done

00:04:19.080 dominantly throughout human history and so today because government schooling is so pervasive and has

00:04:28.420 been so dominant in our lifetime and a few lifetimes before us to present an idea like parents teaching

00:04:36.560 their own children feels very radical and yet it's not it's actually the tried and true method that has

00:04:44.460 been done for all of human history and it's actually the government controlled model that is very new

00:04:50.900 so i think that's important for us to get our minds around because you know today if you tell someone

00:04:56.680 i'm thinking of taking my children out of an institutional school and teaching them myself

00:05:01.040 at home people have this real strong reaction against that as though you are doing something new and untried

00:05:08.940 so i just think that's important as i've gone back and looked at human history there have been a few

00:05:15.960 points here and there where certain countries nations civilizations have sought to create an institutional

00:05:23.540 form of schooling for children but it's usually been very short-lived um it has not been dominant

00:05:30.000 um the first place that i really find a presentation of the government being in control of education

00:05:39.880 is in plato's republic and in book five he presents some ideas that again i think are pretty radical

00:05:49.580 he says that children should be taken away from their parents at birth and they should be put into

00:05:57.520 government institutional buildings like big warehouses for children and they should be raised by

00:06:05.600 government institutions and then he says that women should be drafted from society

00:06:12.800 those who have given birth recently to randomly nurse these infant babies and he says that children should be kept

00:06:23.860 from their parents so completely that it would be possible or even likely that certain mothers would end up

00:06:35.420 as they're drafted to serve the community or serve society or serve the collective or the whole

00:06:42.100 as they're nursing these babies um in these government institutions that they could incidentally be nursing

00:06:49.120 their own biological children but they should never even be aware of that because the separation would be so radical

00:06:55.180 between mother and child and he says famously and i quote um no parent should know his child

00:07:03.720 and no child should know his parent he believed that children should be raised by the state

00:07:11.700 so he he says basically uh i'm paraphrasing wildly here but he says basically i know this is a hard sell

00:07:19.980 it's going to be hard to get people to go along with this but if if we could you know if i could convince

00:07:24.800 people of this i believe it would be to the greatest benefit of the state to do this uh so so this idea

00:07:35.680 along with some of his others that like women should be held as common property and bought and sold like cattle

00:07:41.700 uh some of these ideas thankfully didn't take root uh in society and were rejected um and i'll just throw this

00:07:49.840 out there because there's been a resurgence in interest in classical education and so many parents want their kids

00:07:57.380 to read the great classics of of the greek period and will often hand their children books like plato's

00:08:03.820 republic and say here read this this is good stuff and i think most parents have no idea some of the

00:08:09.620 ideas that are actually promoted uh in in this ancient pagan literature so you should be aware of that before

00:08:16.200 you hand this off to your high school students say hey read this this is great stuff but we had a

00:08:22.440 a series we had a period in the i don't know 1700s that we called the enlightenment and the

00:08:30.620 enlightenment was a philosophical pushback really against the protestant reformation

00:08:35.940 and it was seeking to establish reason and rationality as the basis for all things and so

00:08:43.420 they drew a lot from ancient uh hellenistic or greco-roman writings and brought a lot of those ancient

00:08:52.080 aristotelian platonic socratic ideas into europe during the the 1700s beginning with john locke

00:08:59.680 and then others but one of the guys that was uh an enlightenment philosopher who was bringing

00:09:07.820 some of these ideas back into the public consciousness in the 1700s was a guy who was a french philosopher

00:09:15.480 named jean-jacques rousseau uh rousseau was a fascinating character um and when you and really

00:09:23.320 he's the most influential writer in the history of the world as it relates to education nobody has

00:09:30.500 influenced education more than rousseau he wrote a series of books called emile uh and and in this

00:09:38.560 series of books he basically posits the same idea that plato had in fact he says very directly

00:09:46.980 if you want to know what public education should look like which is what he was calling for

00:09:52.400 he said read plato's republic so rousseau believed that children should be taken from their parents at

00:10:02.420 birth should be given to government institutions that they should never see their children again

00:10:07.800 and that this would be for the best interest of the state um just a few things to know about rousseau

00:10:14.100 personally uh he didn't merely teach this idea he actually walked it out and a lot of this had to do

00:10:21.480 with his rejection of christian ideas which was very much what the enlightenment was um it was the idea

00:10:28.220 that these christian ideas are antiquated and that we need to get rid of them and replace them with

00:10:32.820 rationalistic ideas but one of the doctrines that came out in the reformation was uh the doctrine of

00:10:39.880 of human depravity that people are not good and uh rousseau didn't like that idea he rejected that

00:10:47.620 really soundly he believed that all people were born morally good and given the right context or the

00:10:56.360 right opportunity that moral goodness would flourish within them and so rousseau taught this concept

00:11:02.200 called the doctrine of the noble savage and his idea was basically that if you could take a child

00:11:08.580 at infancy and place this baby alone on a deserted island and this infant could grow up completely isolated

00:11:17.820 from society with no interaction with other humans that they would grow up and become the pinnacle

00:11:24.120 of human perfection because rousseau believed that what contaminated people and made them bad was not an

00:11:32.020 inner moral badness but it was society and that when good people all got together they somehow corrupted

00:11:41.060 each other and made each other bad that was his thesis and so rousseau uh personally had i believe some

00:11:50.000 very uh disturbing and troubling uh personal issues that played into perhaps shaping his perspective or

00:11:59.460 worldview somewhat um he was abandoned by his mother when he was a young child his father decided that he

00:12:07.280 couldn't care for uh jean jock and so he dropped him off at some relatives home and basically vanished from

00:12:14.940 his life and so i believe psychologically he would probably be labeled today with reactive attachment

00:12:21.780 disorder uh because he he just was so afraid of like real relationships with people as far as we know

00:12:31.060 from studying his life uh he was mostly a hermit he didn't go out much he didn't interact much with

00:12:37.240 people in society uh we don't believe he traveled more than about a five mile radius of

00:12:43.400 where he was born in his whole lifetime he just stayed home and wrote books and changed the world

00:12:49.540 um the the issue you will find with a lot of the people who wrote the most about government education

00:12:56.400 and raising children and how to teach children it's it's ironic because most of them were never parents

00:13:03.240 and never raised their own children so rousseau actually did live with a woman for nine years

00:13:09.720 that he refused to marry uh during that nine year period uh she became pregnant five times

00:13:16.200 and gave birth to five different children and with each successive child he would take the baby

00:13:24.400 as an infant in a basket carry it down the street to a foundling asylum which is today a government

00:13:31.160 orphanage and he would drop the baby off at the doorstep and leave and never saw

00:13:36.420 any of his five children again after they were born and years later he was asked by a reporter

00:13:41.860 why he did this and he just responded very uh callously um that he believed that it was in the

00:13:48.260 best interest of society and he was asked also you know were these uh boys or girls and he just sort

00:13:56.920 of shrugged and said it never occurred to me to check the sex of the child and so on one level

00:14:01.940 we could look at rousseau and say he probably dealt with some pretty deep psychosis personally based on

00:14:09.460 his being rejected at an early age by his own parents but he also very much ideologically agreed

00:14:19.860 with plato's concept that the the people who knew best how to who knew what was best for society

00:14:29.860 were the people who had become elected political officers in rousseau's worldview those were the

00:14:37.060 people who were the cream of the crop they had elevated you know like the cream to the surface

00:14:42.020 and separated themselves from the rest of the citizens and were elected by their peers because

00:14:48.420 there was something better innately about them maybe they were better orators or better thinkers or

00:14:53.860 they had more wealth or better breeding or something but somehow because they had been

00:14:59.460 elected as government officials they're the ones that we should trust to kind of lead us into the

00:15:04.660 future and so uh you know when you the pragmatic or practical problem with the noble savage is that

00:15:13.780 you only have so many deserted islands where you can abandon babies and leave them to raise themselves

00:15:20.020 so you have to go with the next best thing which is plato's idea of you you abandon your baby when

00:15:25.460 it's born and you let the state raise the child because the state knows what is best so i know i'm being

00:15:31.300 long-winded here but basically um this began to bring about a distrust of parents that parents are not

00:15:41.060 capable of raising their own children that the state uh is smarter the government officials are smarter than

00:15:48.580 parents and they need to be the ones to raise their children and and interestingly in cities that were

00:15:57.060 largely protestant uh and and in countries like germany and switzerland and england and holland

00:16:03.460 where there were a lot of people who were influenced by by reformational thinking they were extremely

00:16:09.220 reactive against this concept and actually burned rousseau's books in the public square and protest

00:16:16.500 and said that any person who would claim that a child should be taken away from his parents and

00:16:23.380 put into an institution and educated by the government that person was clinically insane

00:16:30.260 and no one should ever listen to them and that's how radical and visceral the reaction to government

00:16:37.140 education was when rousseau's books were released in the late 1700s or kind of mid 1700s

00:16:44.020 um there was there was not a popular acceptance or react or embrace um in most places when his books came out

00:16:56.500 wow that is rich that was awesome history um so as we can i add a few more things here absolutely

00:17:05.620 okay so another guy that i have to talk about real quickly uh you go over to prussia which is modern

00:17:11.380 day germany there's a guy named friedrich frobel and frobel was not married he never raised children

00:17:19.220 uh was i would say today kind of we call him kind of a unitarian so he believed in some sort of a

00:17:26.100 you know higher moral consciousness but he didn't believe in like a personal god in the way that christians

00:17:31.700 do but anyway he was a tutor of young boys from about the age of five to the age of nine

00:17:38.340 nine and one of the things that he noted about these boys that he was teaching

00:17:43.700 was that they were very bad behaviorally and he was a big fan of rousseau and he he also uh believed

00:17:52.900 that children were born morally good but he had a different different uh thesis on what corrupted

00:18:01.220 children uh than rousseau rousseau believed that society corrupted children and yet he knew that

00:18:09.860 these boys who were very disobedient and very misbehaved and that were almost impossible to teach

00:18:15.940 because they were just so out of control that they had been corrupted in some way from the moral goodness

00:18:22.180 in which they were originally born but how do you account for that because in rousseau's perspective

00:18:27.700 which was pretty true they had never they weren't old enough they'd never really interfaced with

00:18:31.700 society so so society didn't corrupt them so in the sort of sherlock holmes who done it process of

00:18:38.340 elimination uh process he asked you know who had the the motive and who had the opportunity

00:18:46.180 right to morally corrupt these children and the only people who had the opportunity were the parents

00:18:52.180 and so rousseau concluded that parents somehow for some reason that he couldn't understand

00:19:00.820 inexplicably morally corrupted their children and made them bad and so he believed that it was essential

00:19:09.860 for teachers or tutors like himself if they were going to be able to teach these children to get the

00:19:14.740 children as early as possible before they became morally corrupted by their parents and this is so

00:19:20.900 important it is so important that people understand that this this shifted everything in education

00:19:26.900 everything in education pivoted on frobel uh and so he created the concept of the kindergarten which in

00:19:35.940 germany you know kinder meaning child and garten meaning garden the child's garden this idea that

00:19:41.780 we need to create a perimeter a fence around these children to protect them from the harmful influences

00:19:48.180 that are destroying their moral goodness and he believed that those influences were parents

00:19:55.620 and so he believed it was essential to get children away from their parents as early as possible so that

00:20:02.900 the parents would not corrupt these children and that's where the modern day kindergarten came from

00:20:09.700 in all early elementary interventionist early elementary education the daycare the preschool the

00:20:18.020 kindergarten all of that traces back to friedrich frobel so he wrote a book called the education of man

00:20:25.940 in the late 1700s uh hugely you know obviously hugely influential around the world and and really kind of

00:20:33.140 mainstreamed a lot of rousseau's ideas and sort of brought that into um what became the prussian education

00:20:40.900 system and and the prussians really franchised the government school system if you will and so coming

00:20:48.260 out of that carl marx uh was impressed with the prussian education system and in the communist manifesto

00:20:55.540 put a free public education as being the 10th plank of the communist manifesto and said in the communist

00:21:03.860 manifesto why he thought a system of public schooling was so important um he said we want to rescue

00:21:10.580 education from the ruling middle class well who was the ruling middle class at that time it was parents

00:21:15.860 teaching their own kids so he said we have to rescue children from their own parents essentially

00:21:21.380 and then he says in the communist manifesto he says but you will accuse us

00:21:26.260 of seeking to destroy the most hallowed of relations between parent and child so he called this

00:21:35.140 relationship between parents and children hallowed or holy uh so he says you accuse us of seeking to

00:21:40.900 destroy the most hallowed of relations between parent and child to this crime we plead guilty

00:21:46.900 so he said that the reason that they wanted to start the public school system was to destroy the family

00:21:51.700 to destroy the relationship this holy relationship between parents and children to break and divide

00:21:57.300 uh this this innate bond that there was between parents and children and that that was essential

00:22:02.980 to accomplish the purposes of the state that you had to get children away from their parents as early

00:22:08.340 as possible before they're contaminated and corrupted by their parents with these wrong ideas and the

00:22:14.500 state becomes the savior then and so much of child protective services and i understand there are

00:22:20.900 children who are legitimately abused so don't say you don't don't put words in my mouth uh and make

00:22:25.860 me say something i'm not saying um children need to be protected from genuine abuse i'm not denying that but

00:22:31.700 what i'm saying is is much of the institutions that the government has created are predicated on this

00:22:37.780 viewpoint that in general parents are abusive powers corrupting their own children and the government

00:22:46.820 has to rescue all these children from all of these terrible horrible parents and so there's a presumed

00:22:52.660 guilt on the part of parents that that the presumption is basically parents across the board are guilty

00:22:59.860 until proven innocent and so because of that these children have to be taken away from their their

00:23:05.780 parents as early as possible and raised in institutions and so that has permeated throughout the

00:23:12.020 canadian education system the american education system all throughout europe uh that's where a lot

00:23:17.300 of this originated was was through um the the idea or the concept that parents are harmful to children

00:23:25.300 and then of course the communists took that and really extrapolated that and so in nations that have

00:23:30.900 been influenced by socialism um and and big government that idea is very pervasive that we have to rescue the

00:23:39.220 children we have to do this for the children's sake we see it in in international documents like the un

00:23:44.580 convention on the rights of the child just go read that document i mean it is an extension of all of

00:23:51.140 this thinking this presumptive guilt that parents are a threat to their own children and collectively we have

00:23:57.380 to as a society protect children from their parents wow and look where we are today with all these issues

00:24:07.140 going on with our kids in the school systems um let's move into education versus schooling and um i love how

00:24:18.500 you really embrace the biblical worldview that was something that was very important in my years of

00:24:25.700 homeschooling my children and breaking that down how the biblical worldview breaks down into subjects

00:24:33.940 and like i watched one of your interviews you even talked about math and how even that is um how that

00:24:42.980 you can have a biblical worldview in something as simple as math so let's talk first about education versus

00:24:49.460 schooling and then move into that i think there are different goals related to schooling uh and

00:24:57.140 education they're not synonymous in fact i believe that schooling is one of the greatest hindrances to true

00:25:02.740 education um you first of all have to define you know what is an education and then you have to

00:25:08.500 sort of define what is the goal of an education um i think the government would say that education is

00:25:15.780 about creating the right kind of citizen um i would say true education is about equipping a child with

00:25:23.940 the knowledge and information that they need to prepare them uh for life and and wisdom is them being able

00:25:33.780 to take that information and use it or appropriate it uh in a proper way and in order to have wisdom of

00:25:41.220 course you have to have moral virtue and um i'm a christian theist i believe in god and so i believe that you

00:25:49.700 obviously can't have moral virtue uh if you start with an atheistic framework that atheism does not

00:25:57.380 provide for us uh an intellectual starting point um that is capable of of promoting a a philosophical

00:26:07.540 framework for virtue i'm not saying atheists can't be virtuous and they can't do good things they can

00:26:14.020 they do often what i'm saying is that if you go back to origins uh ultimately you know you have these

00:26:22.260 two opposing belief systems the one that everything has been caused by a cosmic big bang 14 billion

00:26:31.220 years ago where dust and gases blew up for no reason and everything that exists in the universe the

00:26:37.860 the physical material world uh and the invisible metaphysical world was caused by this explosion 14

00:26:45.780 billion years ago uh well that's an is that's something that you know happened theoretically but

00:26:51.860 you can't get an ought out of an is that's one of the philosophical laws of logic and and yet um they

00:26:59.700 try to get a whole system of law and ethics and morality and all of virtue and all of that out of

00:27:07.220 dust and gases that blew up for no reason and and ultimately what you have with that as your

00:27:12.820 starting point um is is you simply have pragmatism and and utility um what is most practical or

00:27:21.060 beneficial as defined by the people who are seeking to implement their own desires but there's no objective

00:27:28.420 basis for for right or wrong within that there's only does this help us advance our causes as we

00:27:34.500 see them and as we define them and so um you know when you look at at a true education i think true

00:27:40.740 education is seeking to provide a child with a moral framework to know how to utilize the information

00:27:47.700 that they're given and to be able to use it in the best way christian theology teaches that we are

00:27:54.500 to to know god and love him and serve him and then to love and serve our neighbor that's christian

00:28:00.580 theology and so the purpose of an education from within that framework is that we are preparing our

00:28:06.500 children to know the god who created everything but we're also equipping them to be prepared to

00:28:12.260 love and serve their neighbors through the skills and information that they acquire and so when we

00:28:19.300 teach them science and medicine and language and law and philosophy and art and music and all of these

00:28:27.860 things um it's not merely for them for their own personal self-interest but we are trying to equip and

00:28:34.260 prepare them to be good neighbors to and to be good citizens but to but to have a higher moral framework

00:28:42.180 for doing so um the status viewpoint is that those who are in control get to define what is right and

00:28:48.980 wrong for society so might equals right within statism and so within government education i think you really

00:28:56.180 have a very different uh framework because they're the ones who are deciding first of all what's good

00:29:02.580 uh and then you know how people need to align with that and we've seen that go horribly bad in nations like

00:29:11.460 you know um germany in the 1930s and in the ussr and you know today in north korea and china and places where

00:29:21.380 uh they really have cut themselves off because of their atheistic framework they've cut themselves off

00:29:26.020 from uh an objective source of of morality and and yet they have a very strong statist viewpoint of

00:29:34.180 this is what's best for our utilitarian purposes this is what's best for the for the whole as we see it and

00:29:41.300 as we define it those who are in power basically get to be in charge and they want your kids to just mindlessly

00:29:48.020 go in lockstep with all of that and to not question it and to to simply be part of the herd to be part of

00:29:57.540 the masses and true education is opposite of that true education is not teaching blind conformity

00:30:05.140 to the government's whims but it's teaching critical thinking and evaluation and logic and asking questions

00:30:13.220 and saying uh is this really right and is this virtuous uh and and should we be hurting people

00:30:19.780 into cattle cars and taking them off to concentration camps and so on and so forth and and and on what

00:30:25.780 basis and and so um i believe ideologically and obviously i have a bias i mean you guys have already

00:30:31.460 picked up on that i have a bias i believe philosophically there's a vast difference um in terms of our

00:30:37.220 starting points and our outcomes when you look at the the goals and agenda of blind statism uh versus

00:30:44.020 a christian ethic um that ultimately has loving and serving our neighbor at its root as opposed to

00:30:50.340 loving and serving those who are in power and so um so yeah education and schooling i think are quite

00:30:56.900 different from each other schooling is seems to me increasingly less interested in true education these

00:31:02.180 days and is often the enemy of true education and if you want your child to be truly educated if you

00:31:07.460 want them to be able to think for themselves to be able to evaluate uh and to assess issues uh in an

00:31:15.460 independent thinking way then you're going to want to get them out of the institutions that are seeking

00:31:20.820 to bind them to conformity to the status system so yeah education and schooling are not only not the same i

00:31:29.780 think uh today increasingly they're enemies of each other

00:31:35.780 yeah i i can't agree with you more on that one um in your opinion the heart of homeschooling what

00:31:44.820 really matters so here we are we've got families who've over this last year they've already pulled

00:31:52.100 their kids because of the aggressive lgbt agenda in our public school system some of that's creeping

00:31:59.220 into our private schools as well and some are now making decisions going into the fall about pulling

00:32:05.540 their kids and um i think a lot of concern is what do i do how what curriculum do i use will they meet

00:32:13.940 their learning outcomes but you know after all the 17 years that i homeschooled all my kids k to 12

00:32:22.020 yes that's important but there was the heart of homeschooling and it is a lifestyle and there's

00:32:27.780 so much more to it and i would love to hear more about what you think on that sure well maybe i can

00:32:33.860 tie that question back into the question i didn't really answer previously which is about the difference

00:32:38.500 in the curriculum and i guess what i would say is you know if you are approaching uh educating your

00:32:43.620 children from within an atheistic framework for example um then ultimately uh your viewpoint on

00:32:51.620 why you teach them subjects is going to be utilitarian for the most part um that the view is you need to

00:32:58.100 study these subjects and learn these subjects so that you get good grades so that you can get a diploma

00:33:04.340 so that you can hopefully go to college so you can get a college degree so that you can get a job

00:33:10.180 so that you can earn a paycheck so that you have money to be able to pay your bills and to buy things

00:33:16.580 that you need so that you can have a comfortable affluent life and uh hopefully be able to have

00:33:22.740 retirement and support yourself through your short years until you die and become compost and get

00:33:28.740 reabsorbed into the ecosystem and are forgotten uh and so basically within that framework um it's

00:33:37.060 humanistic you know it's the idea that we're here basically to serve ourselves and hopefully not

00:33:41.220 hurt people in the meantime uh as i said you know i think there are some some other arbitrary uh ethics

00:33:46.980 that that most atheists hold to um not because the their system demands it but simply because they

00:33:52.900 in my view they borrow from the christian the christian ethic and it kind of have a little christian

00:33:57.380 ethic plug into their atheistic world view uh i mean ultimately you know you can't get right and

00:34:02.820 wrong out of dust and gases that blew up for no reason but still they believe somehow that you know

00:34:09.300 we're here and somehow we ended up with consciousness from material uh you know from from

00:34:14.500 simple celled organisms to human consciousness so i guess uh you know we ought to try to do the right

00:34:20.420 things whatever that is as best as we define it but within the christian framework um those subjects

00:34:26.100 really again are to equip you to be able to live for something higher than yourself and so as christians

00:34:33.300 we seek to please god we seek to know him through the things that he's made but we also again we want

00:34:38.900 to be equipped to to love our neighbor so when you think about mathematics there's an order and there's

00:34:45.060 a precision to mathematics and geometry uh and then in sciences and physics and so on where we have

00:34:52.580 a constancy we have a predictability and two plus two is always four it's never random it's never

00:34:58.100 chaotic it's not five on tuesday and 13 on friday it's it's predictable and orderly well how do we describe

00:35:06.500 that or how do we define that or why do we have an explanation for that and what i would say is that

00:35:12.020 it's because um everything that exists in the universe came from the mind of an orderly logical god

00:35:20.580 and one of the doctrines that we teach about god in the as taught in the about god in the bible is is

00:35:26.420 a doctrine called immutability it means that god is constant and that he doesn't change well that's

00:35:31.940 why we have an explanation for the laws of the universe and the constancy that we see within that

00:35:38.260 that mathematics works and physics work with precision and predictability and we can build our life

00:35:44.340 around that we can fly airplanes and we can launch rockets to the moon and bring them back safely

00:35:49.940 because we know these these certain laws that are constant within the universe but explosions never

00:35:57.220 create precision and order and constancy and i know this because as a homeschool student i used to buy

00:36:04.500 these science kits that would allow you to create explosions in your backyard and so i used to blow up a lot of

00:36:13.540 really cool things in my backyard and of all the things that i blew up in my backyard nothing ever

00:36:19.300 became more orderly from an explosion things only became less ordered not more so you'd start with

00:36:25.940 something that had been created by intelligence and then you blow it up into bits where it's no longer

00:36:30.980 useful but never did was there an explosion that put something back together and yet evolution is basically

00:36:37.460 saying that there was an explosion in a junkyard and it somehow formed an airplane well that's not how

00:36:42.980 that works we never see that in science that's not something that is observational science it's the

00:36:48.340 opposite of everything that we know from the first and second laws of thermodynamics anyway so so

00:36:55.140 basically within this christian framework we can not only explain to our children that two plus two equals

00:37:02.100 four but we can explain to them why we not only explain to them that we communicate as humans but

00:37:09.140 we can explain to them why well because we were created in the image of god god communicates i mean

00:37:14.020 in the bible just says in the beginning god said let there be light like i mean you get right into the bible

00:37:19.460 god is communicating and speaking we have an explanation for why there is not only unity and order and

00:37:25.860 precision but why there's diversity uh why why is it that when we study uh animals that we find that

00:37:32.340 there are certain animals that rep replicate within their own kind uh and yet have tremendous diversity

00:37:38.580 like you know dogs don't mate with elephants and they don't mate with birds but within the dog kind

00:37:45.300 there's just you know tons of variation of dogs or flowers or butterflies we have this phenomenal

00:37:52.340 diversity within a very defined unity right well how do we explain that well within christianity

00:37:58.660 we have the doctrine of the trinity that god is one and yet he is three persons father son and holy

00:38:04.020 spirit eternally co-existent god one god living together in harmony for all of eternity and everything

00:38:11.780 that god creates is consistent with that and so music reflects that that we have unity when you when you play

00:38:19.060 a note that's unity when you when you play these three notes together you create a chord and you

00:38:24.180 make harmony and you have rhythm which is time well what is that that is god's unity and harmony

00:38:29.380 in eternity it reflects his nature and character so my book uh education does god have an opinion

00:38:36.340 actually goes into all of that and it talks about how every academic subject whether it's science

00:38:41.300 or math or language arts or history or music or art how all of those subjects point to the nature of god

00:38:51.300 and what god is like and how god has repeat revealed his character and his definition uh through those

00:38:58.260 subjects so all education points back to the god who created it so this book really talks about uh what a

00:39:06.100 biblical philosophy of education looks like i think it's the most comprehensive book on the market

00:39:10.980 related to a biblical philosophy of education and for those who are atheists and who are uh humanists

00:39:17.620 and libertarians who don't believe in god i think they'll find the book fascinating too to be honest

00:39:23.460 um i think as they read it i think they will find much that they agree with um there may be points that

00:39:28.900 they don't obviously we don't have the same starting point but i think that they will find um it to be a

00:39:34.820 very thought compelling book that will be fascinating for them to read as well so what is the purpose of

00:39:41.460 an education we already kind of touched on that but i think a huge part of uh what makes homeschooling

00:39:47.460 different from institutional schooling where you send your children away from you all day

00:39:52.340 is that you get to share your life with them again christianity teaches that god is relational within

00:39:58.340 himself that he has eternal fellowship within his own godhood within the godhead father son and holy

00:40:06.100 spirit eternal fellowship god is a is a relational god and we are relational people and in homeschooling

00:40:14.340 context we get to have relationship with our children and share ourselves and that's something that you can't

00:40:21.220 do when you send them away from you to an institution even if the institution was a good institution

00:40:26.420 institution that taught good things you still are giving up the very best of your life for

00:40:34.740 you know for thousands of hours um if you just look at the stats they say that the average teenager now

00:40:42.020 spends seven and a half hours after school in digital multimedia so they send about spend about

00:40:47.220 seven and a half hours a day in school and then the same amount in multimedia that's 15 hours a day

00:40:54.260 and in the us the average mom spends an hour a day interacting with her children and the average

00:40:59.220 dad is 29 minutes when you add that up over time you just see that parents are just giving away the most

00:41:07.460 powerful leverage that they could ever have for influence in the life of their child which is time

00:41:15.380 time is the most powerful force for influencing another person and they're giving it away to other people that

00:41:23.620 they don't know and then when their children are 15 16 years old they're shocked that their children

00:41:28.740 don't embrace their beliefs and values and don't want to have a relationship with them and the reason

00:41:33.620 for that is that other people have had more influence on them than the parents by de facto and so this is a

00:41:40.900 phenomenal opportunity for us as parents to buy back time which equals influence and to be able to raise our

00:41:48.660 children with our children with our own beliefs and our own values and i'm supportive of that whether people

00:41:54.580 have a religion or no religion if you're a hindu if you're a muslim if you're a buddhist if you're an atheist

00:42:02.260 you still have the opportunity to give your children the best of yourself and i think that's something that all

00:42:09.460 children crave all children want and desire and i i wholeheartedly support that and uh within the the

00:42:18.260 legal structure within um the the us uh our homeschool associations all fight for that you know we fight

00:42:25.700 for the right of all parents to teach their children their values even when we disagree with their values

00:42:33.220 the state doesn't want that the state fights against parents being able to pass on their beliefs and

00:42:38.740 values to their children but for us as christians we believe that um you know as again as long as it's

00:42:45.460 not uh it's not something that is um truly abusive to a child we believe that parents are the ones who

00:42:53.700 are best suited to pass on their their own beliefs and values to their own children

00:43:00.500 i totally agree um my kids are now in their late 20s early 30s and uh i think the years we homeschooled

00:43:09.300 just nurtured not just the sibling um uh they're just so close they're also very close to me we have

00:43:19.460 a very tight family network and i've seen this over and over in home homeschooling families that stay the

00:43:26.580 course and and go and do the long haul is there's the relationships are very very rich um i'd like to tap into

00:43:35.540 socialization um this is sort of just part of what you're saying already the the big question still

00:43:41.700 remains even after 45 years of homeschooling in north america um what about socialization will my kid

00:43:50.660 be socialized and how i see it there's positive socialization and there's negative socialization

00:43:56.740 and if you can talk into that bit too well i know some of our viewers and listeners are probably

00:44:03.140 getting tired of me banging on my bible drum but again the bible actually talks about this

00:44:08.180 uh in proverbs 13 20 it says that if we walk with wise people we will become wise but a companion of

00:44:19.220 fools will be destroyed that's the way the king james version puts it so as a parent i think about

00:44:26.180 the truth of that and i think okay i don't want my child to be destroyed or suffer harm i think some

00:44:33.300 translations put it that way but i don't want my child to suffer harm i certainly don't want to be

00:44:37.220 destroyed so how can i avoid that well according to the scripture i'm supposed to teach my uh child

00:44:44.740 how to find wise people so you know just even using common sense i think we can look at society and and

00:44:53.380 ask ourselves who would tend to be wiser someone who is a child's peer the same age as them or someone

00:45:01.860 who is older and has life experience well typically we would tend to look at older people who have

00:45:08.180 some life experience and uh those are the people that the bible says our children need to actually

00:45:14.420 be hanging around this idea that our children need to be hanging around uh children their own age in

00:45:21.300 order to be properly socialized that's a socialist concept that actually comes out of marxism

00:45:28.180 and if you remind me i will try to come back to that uh because that concept of well you need to

00:45:35.380 have your children in the school with 30 or 40 other students so they won't be properly socialized

00:45:40.660 and then if they're not properly socialized they will grow up and be social misfits and they will not

00:45:44.900 be able to fit into society and they will not know how to be good citizens that mantra came from

00:45:49.700 somewhere and i'll explain that if i if you remind me um but there's another bible verse in the new

00:45:55.540 testament in first corinthians 15 33 and paul says do not be deceived bad company corrupts good character

00:46:08.500 and so there's this notion that parents have that well i know there's a lot of bad kids in the school

00:46:14.980 system but my kid's a good kid and my good kid can go into that school system and transform it

00:46:24.260 and can make all those bad kids turn good and paul says in first corinthians 15 33 don't be deceived

00:46:33.060 don't be misled that's not how that works the bad kids have a corrupting influence on the moral

00:46:41.380 framework of the good kid and so parents are extremely naive on these points and uh have really

00:46:49.540 bought into something that i think is harmful um so i'll jump into now that the issue of the the

00:46:56.740 socialization issue where it came from um in america john dewey was the the most influential american

00:47:06.740 educator he was the founder of the progressive movement he was a teacher of teachers at columbia

00:47:13.700 university at the teachers college there he was a signer of the first humanist manifesto he was an

00:47:21.460 atheist he was um he strongly leaned towards socialistic ideas and he was invited to go to

00:47:30.340 the ussr in 1927 at the invite of joseph stalin's wife now stalin's wife believed that john dewey

00:47:41.300 was the greatest educator in the world and so she invited him to come to the ussr to learn how

00:47:50.900 to teach economic socialism in the american school classroom it was a trade-off she said we want you to

00:47:57.140 teach us everything you know about pedagogy and we will equip you to teach economic socialism and so

00:48:04.500 he went over there came back the next year in 1928 and he wrote an essay praising the soviet school

00:48:11.300 system which he believed was uh you know a phenomenal he was very supportive of the russian the bolshevik

00:48:18.660 revolution believe that it was a great thing and uh and one of the things that he noted was that uh

00:48:26.500 both the prussian schools um in in this time as well in germany as well as the soviet schools

00:48:33.300 had both gone to the school classroom model of like 30 40 students the same age and what they had found

00:48:41.380 is that for the most part they could break the allegiance of children from their parents

00:48:46.820 simply by creating a a herd or a peer group that that the very existence of the 30 to 40 student

00:48:55.380 classroom was enough to make about 90 percent of the students peer dependent in one year's time

00:49:01.060 and at the end of that one year those students cared more about what their friends thought

00:49:07.380 than what their parents thought they cared more about the values of their friends than the values of

00:49:11.860 their parents they wanted to fit into the social society of the classroom more than they wanted to fit

00:49:18.180 into the social structure of the family and so when carl mark said we want to destroy the most hallowed of

00:49:25.060 relations between parent and child and said we need a public school system to do that in the communist

00:49:31.060 manifesto um that was all part of his strategy so if you remember reading some of the the old books about

00:49:40.180 the prairie days where they had these schools one room school houses where all the students were like k to

00:49:47.220 eight all in the same room uh multiple grades all in one room well john dewey wanted to obliterate that

00:49:53.700 because he believed that you couldn't quite break the allegiance of the of the child from the parent

00:50:00.020 using that structure so one of the things he learned from the soviets and he met with vladimir lenin's

00:50:05.380 widow while he was over there and you know again just highly influenced by them came back and said that the

00:50:10.740 soviet model needs to be the model for the american school system um and and actually set up a kind of

00:50:18.820 exchange uh system with the soviet schools where in the 1930s the soviets came and set up a booth at

00:50:27.300 the nea convention the national education association you know teachers the teachers convention inviting

00:50:32.500 american teachers to go to russia to learn how to teach economic socialism in the american school

00:50:38.820 classrooms and that happened in the 30s and they estimate that you know perhaps maybe 3000 teachers

00:50:44.740 may have traveled to the ussr to be trained in teaching socialism in the classroom and um and so

00:50:51.940 he he changed that whole structure and so this idea that well if your children aren't in this class with

00:50:59.380 these 30 to 40 other students the same age they won't be properly socialized you have to listen to the

00:51:06.100 terminology that's used here you know social education socialization uh socialism right these

00:51:15.140 all come in social security these ideas all come out of socialism in fact uh dewey in 1930 told his

00:51:22.660 two colleagues at columbia university james mendenhall and harold rugg he told them i want you to change

00:51:28.980 the textbooks while i'm changing the structure of the classroom and so they took out three subjects that

00:51:34.340 had been taught as independent subjects history civics and geography and they took those out of the

00:51:40.100 curriculum in 1930 in the us and they replaced them with a marxist curriculum and a new subject that

00:51:46.420 had never been taught before called social studies that's where social studies came from was 1930 john

00:51:52.820 dewey and that social studies curriculum was taught in the us from about 1930 to 1950 and so there's about

00:52:01.060 20 years where about 5 million u.s students got indoctrinated into socialism and then in 1950 some

00:52:08.020 parents found out what their kids had been learning the last 20 years and they had a more conservative

00:52:13.140 resurgence where they threw throughout that curriculum and from about 1950 to 1965 there was a more

00:52:19.380 conservative resurgence here in the u.s and then since 65 it's just been you know grease slide to

00:52:25.460 progressive hell but but since that um but but in that time you know that's where our seniors in the

00:52:33.780 united states were educated in these 30 to 40 student classrooms being taught the social studies

00:52:39.460 curriculum so the many of the seniors in our country are actually more socialist and they're thinking in

00:52:46.420 their world view than i am of course i was homeschooled so you know i was raised outside of the matrix if you

00:52:51.700 will but but but i'm just saying like they have a very socialistic mindset and it was because it was

00:52:57.700 taught specifically in the curriculum but it was also reinforced by a peer pressure within the classroom

00:53:05.940 and um final thing i'll say on that another guy that's uh good to look up on this is is solomon ash

00:53:14.020 i think he spelled his last name uh a s c h maybe something like that and um he did these conformity

00:53:24.740 experiments in the 1950s and 60s uh in the university campuses and they would test students in control

00:53:33.620 groups to see how likely or prone they were to be susceptible to peer pressure as university students so

00:53:42.420 they would take one student for example and uh create a control group where everyone in the

00:53:47.940 classroom knew that it was a control group except for one student and they would ask a very simple

00:53:52.740 question um you know like what year did christopher columbus discover america and they'd say 1492

00:54:00.900 well you know everyone in this in the class would be instructed to give a wrong answer so they would say

00:54:06.100 like 1776 and so they go around the class just giving the wrong answer and so finally it would

00:54:12.260 come back to this one student who was the control student or who didn't the test subject the guinea

00:54:18.900 pig who did not know that this was a control class or a social experiment and they would ask them

00:54:26.100 what year did christopher columbus discover america and three quarters of the time these university

00:54:32.740 students would give the wrong answers knowing it was the wrong answer because of conformity with the

00:54:39.300 classroom that they wanted to fit in with the class and when asked later did you actually think that

00:54:45.540 it was 1776 they'd say no i didn't i knew it was 1492 and they would say well uh why did you say 1776

00:54:53.220 when you knew that wasn't the right answer and they would say two things number one i started questioning

00:54:58.420 my own sanity everyone else in the class was saying this over and over and so i thought there must be

00:55:05.540 something wrong with me there's something wrong with my cognition i'm not thinking clearly or you

00:55:10.980 know my judgment is off i'm just going to go with the rest of the group because they must be right

00:55:14.980 everybody's doing this so everybody else must be right something's off with me today or or sometimes

00:55:20.260 they would say well i knew they were wrong but i didn't want to face the the ridicule of the classroom

00:55:26.980 and so three quarters of university students would give the wrong answer on tests simply to fit into

00:55:33.940 the social system of the classroom even when they thought their grade depended on it and it could

00:55:39.300 adversely affect their future careers they would give the wrong answer and so if that is true at the

00:55:45.940 university level how is that not going to be true in junior high where you would rather die than face the

00:55:52.820 ridicule of the classroom and how is it not true in elementary when you are a seven-year-old who's told to go

00:55:59.700 and listen to this 40 year old teacher who knows everything and she's telling you this is true and

00:56:05.140 everybody else in the class is telling you it's true and they'll laugh at you if you don't go along

00:56:08.660 with it it just shows the power of that and then finally on the solomon ash experiments they found that

00:56:15.780 about 10 of people in society are psychologically hardwired that they don't give a darn what anybody else

00:56:25.140 thinks about them they just don't care and that 10 will turn around look at the whole rest of the

00:56:33.380 classroom and say you guys are idiots like don't you know anything 1492 guys like have you never studied

00:56:40.420 history and so they like they are totally immune to the social pressure of that kind of environment and

00:56:47.380 there's like just 10 of people in society that are like that but literally three quarters will go along

00:56:54.820 with the crowd even if it's something diabolical even to the point you know where they started turning

00:57:02.180 the heat up on this and saying that people would actually cause harm to another person if they believe

00:57:06.740 that it would keep them from facing ridicule and you know a lot of that goes back to a quote from the

00:57:13.700 the danish existentialist philosopher soren kierkegaard who said that man is a social animal only in the

00:57:21.860 herd is he happy and then he says it is all one to him whether something is the greatest villainy or the

00:57:30.020 profoundest nonsense he cares not so long as it is the view of the herd and he gets to join the herd and

00:57:38.900 that is really what these social conformity experiments do is they in the classroom is they

00:57:45.220 teach you to not care whether what you're about to participate in is the the greatest villainy

00:57:52.020 towards someone else or the profoundest nonsense just idiocy as long as it's the view of the herd and

00:57:57.860 you get to go along with the herd and so again for us as parents we don't want our kids being raised

00:58:04.020 in that system so what that that is all of that is socialization when you hear the word socialization

00:58:11.220 retrain your brain that that's what they mean by this that's what the progressives meant when they

00:58:17.460 started grilling this idea of socialization into everybody's mind that that we even as homeschoolers

00:58:24.660 validate the argument when someone says well what do you do about socialization we start listing a

00:58:29.460 hundred ways in which we have our children spending lots of time with other children

00:58:34.260 why do we do that it's because we're actually agreeing with and buying into their assumptions

00:58:38.980 and their presuppositions we need to actually question the presuppositions and ask is that

00:58:44.100 really the dominant social influence we want our children to be facing is their peer group other

00:58:52.420 young and foolish people their own age is that really who we want to be shaping the minds of our

00:58:57.140 children no we don't we want them to be hanging out with wise people who actually know something

00:59:02.500 and so rather than assuming the false premise of the socialization myth that children have to be

00:59:10.020 around you know 30 or 40 other students their own age in order to be properly socialized

00:59:15.140 understanding the origins of all of that we should actually think i don't want my child to grow up and

00:59:20.100 be a socialist i don't want them to be indoctrinated into that and so i want to have them raised in an

00:59:26.020 environment where they actually are with people who don't think and who have wisdom and be influenced

00:59:31.620 by those people instead and as parents too when the children are home you can control

00:59:40.660 who the healthy kids are for your child and who aren't yes and and as you uh maybe enroll them in

00:59:47.540 you know community sports teams there's other ways to meet new people as well and you find like-minded

00:59:54.660 even homeschool kids in these sports teams as well and uh yeah i i totally understand and support what

01:00:03.300 you're saying um in addition to the book you were just talking about education does god have an opinion

01:00:10.580 tell us a little bit more about another book 25 top questions critics ask it's a answers for

01:00:18.100 homeschooling yeah that one yeah what's in there yeah so answers for homeschooling uh subtitle the top

01:00:25.140 25 questions critics ask this book was written because i i for years you know i've gotten the same questions

01:00:31.300 over and over and i wanted to just take the common objections that people raised of why homeschooling is

01:00:37.300 bad why it's bad for children why it's bad for society and just obliterate all of those objections

01:00:42.740 with facts and research so it's not just my opinion versus your opinion but we actually have studies

01:00:47.940 on almost all of these issues now um and so i have a chapter in here on socialization i have a chapter

01:00:53.620 on the the argument that well you're not qualified to teach your child you're just a mom you're just a

01:00:59.380 parent you don't you're not a certified teacher you're not a professional you can't possibly give your

01:01:04.020 child the same quality of academic training that a school could i address that issue how can you

01:01:10.900 afford it how can how can you homeschool when you have to live on a single income what about the

01:01:15.380 finances or uh and then i talk a lot about methodology so in homeschooling there's lots

01:01:21.220 of different approaches that can be very overwhelming to people when they start hearing about it there's

01:01:26.180 unschooling there's classical there's charlotte mason there's principal approach there's traditional

01:01:31.220 textbook there's unit study there's eclectic there's all these different educational philosophies

01:01:36.980 if you will i go through all of them and kind of give the pros and cons of each one i talk about

01:01:42.020 what's a what's the father's role in homeschooling um or the question well what about the single parent

01:01:48.180 who couldn't you know homeschooling is not for everybody like think about the single parents

01:01:52.580 well one of the unique things about that particular argument is my mother uh who homeschooled myself and my

01:01:59.220 five sisters um did so entirely in an era where homeschooling was illegal i graduated from homeschooling

01:02:07.700 in 1991 and homeschooling did not become legal in the state in which i lived until 92 and so we actually

01:02:13.620 did get caught a couple of times for homeschooling we ended up in uh in court a few times related to

01:02:20.340 homeschooling and so i tell a little bit about our story in here but my mom was a single parent mother

01:02:26.020 homeschooling six children when homeschooling was illegal and to add to that not only was my

01:02:32.260 mom a single parent but she dropped out of public school in ninth grade so my mom was a high school

01:02:38.660 dropout who successfully homeschooled me and my sisters uh when homeschooling was not even legal so

01:02:46.260 people who say well not everybody can homeschool if you really want to homeschool your children you can

01:02:51.140 figure it out you can do it if you really want to but that's actually the issue the issue is the

01:02:56.420 want to part and if you want to this book explains to you how to get there so uh it goes over really

01:03:03.380 everything you would ever want to know any question you would possibly ask about homeschooling uh you can

01:03:08.660 get the answers for that within this book uh answers for homeschooling and both of these books are available

01:03:14.660 uh on my website um uh in print but but for canada uh which is my website is familyrenewal.org

01:03:24.020 but for canada um your best option might be to uh go to christianbook.com uh if you're familiar with

01:03:32.260 them um they have um books that they can ship you or my publisher masterbooks.com in fact some of my books

01:03:40.340 are available in audio all of them are available as ebooks so if you go to masterbooks.com you can

01:03:46.020 get the ebooks on all of my titles for like six dollars us um they do have some of them as available

01:03:52.820 as audio now um or you can order print copies so that's masterbooks.com and um you can order on amazon

01:04:02.980 uh but i i encourage parents uh oftentimes when they're looking at buying my books to not buy there

01:04:08.580 a lot of people don't know this but if if my book is like say i don't know how to convert it to

01:04:12.740 canadian but you know if my book is like uh us if it's 14 in the us as an author i make about 65 cents

01:04:22.180 from the sale of that book on amazon uh amazon keeps almost all the profits when you're a

01:04:27.300 traditionally published author and so uh this is what i do full-time i'm an author and conference speaker

01:04:33.780 and i have 11 kids it's how i support my family so if you buy from my publisher masterbooks.com

01:04:39.940 that's super helpful for me or even christianbook.com um they're fair but amazon that's why they own the

01:04:47.700 world man that's why because they just keep all the money so um i encourage people to find like a local

01:04:54.420 christian retailer and you can request my books from them if you have a bookstore near you

01:04:58.500 um so again my name is israel wayne and i forgot to mention also i have a website called israelwayne.com

01:05:05.940 and i will be speaking in ontario next year i don't have the exact dates but um i know on the

01:05:12.340 action for canada website there's a link to uh ocheck in ontario if you go to action for canada's

01:05:18.900 website and go down there and look at the homeschool resources um ocheck in ontario has a website and

01:05:24.980 you can go there and get registered for my uh conference where i'll be speaking i think in may

01:05:30.740 or june sometime of 2024 and i would love to see you if you are uh living over in ontario um so and

01:05:38.580 i do travel i've spoken at least in four of the provinces in canada so i do get up there and if

01:05:44.020 you're interested in booking me to come speak at your event in person or to do a webinar like this

01:05:50.900 um you can book me through our israelwayne.com website and we would be glad to um to link up

01:05:58.740 and try to work with you uh i saw pdf on christianbook.com with the books as well and then

01:06:06.980 the master books included the audio versions as well which is great if you're in the car that's how

01:06:12.100 i did all my listening back in the day i just put everything on in the car and the kids had to listen

01:06:17.620 with me there you go yeah um so yeah really appreciate that we got one question here about

01:06:25.460 your view um on christian schools and then after that we'll wrap it up yeah so i have a whole chapter

01:06:34.180 in education does god have an opinion called christian schools versus homeschool um i did attend

01:06:40.900 christian schools two years um during my education because we got caught we got busted for homeschooling

01:06:46.340 and homeschooling was not a legal option and so the judge asked my mother he said you have two

01:06:50.740 options a and b uh option a you put your children into public school or option b you have your children

01:06:57.780 taken away from you they'll be put into foster care your parental rights will be terminated you'll

01:07:02.180 never see your kids again and oh by the way they'll be put in public school so which would you prefer

01:07:07.380 a or b i mean can you imagine this is not the soviet union or north korea this is like

01:07:13.220 the united states in the 1980s right uh the land of the free and the home of the brave but this just

01:07:19.860 shows you how much uh monopoly the government school system had created uh in our country anyway

01:07:26.900 she said i'm gonna choose option c private christian school so i spent second grade and sixth grade in

01:07:32.180 private christian schools and at the end of that year she pulled us out we moved and she kind of went

01:07:37.700 underground homeschooling again and so um i i do talk about uh christian schools it's it's too

01:07:44.980 complicated for me to get into here because it would take a while but basically in terms of biblical

01:07:50.580 worldview um the the christian schools are are almost inseparable from public schools in terms of

01:07:57.860 biblical worldview uh as determined by the peers test which is a biblical worldview assessment test so

01:08:05.460 the the average tuition in the u.s has gone up from about ninety six hundred dollars per year

01:08:11.140 per student to over twelve thousand dollars now post-covid so before covet it was ninety six hundred

01:08:17.620 post-covid now it's like twelve thousand per year per student um and basically your kids are less likely

01:08:22.980 to be christian less likely to embrace the christian faith less likely to have christian beliefs or christian

01:08:28.420 values less likely to have christian behavior less likely to have a close relationship with you as parents when

01:08:35.060 they're older less likely to attend church all of that if they attend christian schools um than if

01:08:41.780 they are homeschooled and significantly so so the outcomes are pretty abysmal for most christian schools

01:08:50.420 in the u.s and i would believe also probably in canada there's also a lot of woke curriculum

01:08:56.260 that's starting to come in critical race theory a good friend of mine was just fired from a christian

01:09:02.740 school he was a science teacher and they started teaching critical race theory he objected um he

01:09:08.260 was teaching in atlanta georgia they fired him right on the spot um for questioning their their teaching

01:09:13.220 of critical race theory in the christian school so i'm not 100 against all christian schools categorically

01:09:21.700 um but the way that it tends to be implemented um you're paying a ton of money and not likely going to

01:09:27.860 get the results that you want it's more complicated than that but that's kind of the basics i can

01:09:34.660 appreciate that whole conversation for sure so tanya did you have anything you want to add before

01:09:42.180 israel wraps this up yeah israel i just want to thank you so much for coming on the show today uh

01:09:48.340 we're going to make sure that this video goes out far and wide because i think the information is

01:09:53.060 really important i love the historical value that you added because you know we've been conditioned

01:09:59.380 to think that we can just trust the education system you know i automatically i didn't really

01:10:04.340 think i was putting my kids in private school things in my life changed i homeschooled for a bit and then

01:10:09.060 they ended up in public education but i was very very closely involved with everything that was going

01:10:15.540 on volunteering and reading programs field trips and all the rest of it and it was just really

01:10:21.060 essential but when i look at the history when you talk about dewey when we talk about marx when we

01:10:26.500 talk about the the socialism it just puts a whole new perspective on where it is that we're dropping

01:10:34.100 kids off every day and we had alex newman on uh a few weeks ago on our empower hour and he's got a great

01:10:42.820 an analogy you know he says the building is on fire and we're you know going every day and dropping our

01:10:49.700 kids off and saying have a nice day honey and especially right now with this radical trans uh

01:10:56.420 lgbtq agenda as you mentioned the critical race theory the climate change fear-mongering

01:11:02.580 it's just devastating and i just really want to encourage our viewers to uh look up israel wayne go

01:11:10.260 to his website we'll make sure that uh everything is in the description when we post the video as well

01:11:16.740 with action for canada doris is our homeschooling and parent lead and uh if we're going to be saying

01:11:23.700 get your kids out of school right and ringing the bells we've been doing this for years what we've

01:11:28.820 done up is set up that homeschooling page and if you go to current issues in our menu you will find

01:11:35.540 homeschooling revolution you will find the directory in there and a lot of other really critical

01:11:41.380 information to get you started uh just want to mention as well uh doris will probably mention

01:11:46.500 it as well but that we're taking a break from the parent webinar till mid-august we want families to

01:11:52.340 enjoy themselves over summer and then we're going to come out with a bang because we're going to be

01:11:58.260 really encouraging parents to pull their children out of school i always say the bums in seats for the

01:12:04.820 public education can be fourteen thousand dollars whatever it is in canada if it's a handicapped

01:12:10.580 child which we know that autism is no longer one in ten thousand it's down to one in 36 uh that's you

01:12:17.700 know for reasons that we've had shows on before they're tying it directly back to the childhood

01:12:23.460 vaccinations and so if we remove our kids from the public school system principals don't get paid

01:12:30.020 that means they can't manage the uh electric bill they can't keep teachers employed and we have a lot

01:12:37.780 of power in just simply removing our children from school and i know it's not simply because they've

01:12:44.180 forced parents that they both need to be working to make ends meet but you can do it join an action

01:12:50.580 for canada chapter as well because we're trying to connect parents so that they can create these pods

01:12:57.060 learning places we're reaching out to churches to open their doors so that we can help facilitate

01:13:02.340 parents to homeschool as well and create partnerships maybe parents might need to take a one day off a

01:13:08.820 week and uh you know have a group of kids that they teach for one day and share that responsibility with

01:13:14.260 other parents but there are solutions and there is a way around this we don't have to comply and we

01:13:20.180 certainly don't have to sacrifice our children to the system by feeling pressured to do so and so again

01:13:26.260 israel thank you so much and doris back to you yeah i do a lot of parenting seminars and um

01:13:32.740 speaking churches on on theological issues and christian apologetics and so yeah a lot of different

01:13:39.140 topics in fact a lot of audio downloads are available from my family renewal.org site

01:13:44.900 so you can go and kind of browse through there and see if there are topics that

01:13:49.220 would be relevant but i've been doing conference speaking for almost 30 years so

01:13:53.700 uh you know i have a long history of of having covered a lot of topics a lot of ground in that

01:13:58.980 time thank you so as we wrap up here um what would you what would you be your encouraging words to

01:14:07.300 those who are in that space of they've just either pulled their kids or they're not going to

01:14:14.020 what could we say to them to encourage them along the way yeah well i sometimes tell people um and i

01:14:21.860 think again the answers for homeschooling book will really give you a template of what home education

01:14:26.500 is supposed to look like so most people have a public school mentality but but even if you you

01:14:30.820 haven't gotten my book yet you're still waiting on the book to get there to give you a template of

01:14:34.020 what homeschooling is supposed to look like uh basically just think of everything the public school

01:14:38.420 system does and then don't do that i just do the opposite of what they do and uh that'll probably

01:14:46.740 get you pretty close to uh where you need to go um what i often say to people is that homeschooling is

01:14:53.140 not some weird thing that you add to your life like oh now we're starting to homeschool everybody

01:14:59.220 homeschools you know you start homeschooling your child from birth everyone homeschools their child

01:15:04.900 until they get to compulsory attendance age and then they stop homeschooling and they stick them

01:15:09.060 in an institution so my encouragement is just to keep homeschooling and in fact a lot of the

01:15:13.860 really hard things you teach your kids before you send them off to school uh you have just been

01:15:18.500 indoctrinated by the school system that you're too stupid and competent and and unable to teach your

01:15:24.180 own child and you know what i sometimes say to parents who feel that way is uh and what's the solution

01:15:30.260 to that and they say well i'm going to put my child into school i say what school well the

01:15:34.580 same school i went to it's like okay so the net result of your public school education is that

01:15:40.820 your public school made you too stupid too incompetent and too enough to teach your own child

01:15:47.220 and so now you want to take your child and put your child into that school so they'll grow up and be too

01:15:52.100 stupid and competent and enough to teach their children so your grandkids will also go to that

01:15:56.580 school and you'll how many generations are you going to perpetuate that cycle you know if you're on a

01:16:01.940 train that's going south and your intention is to go north the way to go north is not to run

01:16:08.660 as fast as you know how in a northerly direction on a southbound train that's not how you get north the

01:16:14.180 way to go north is you have to get off the train that is going south and get on a train that's going

01:16:18.900 north and so parenting is the goal here and you have a lot of tools in the parenting toolbox and now you're

01:16:26.900 going to add some academics so homeschooling is not some weird other thing that you do homeschooling

01:16:32.500 is parenting with academics and so now you already taught your child how to read how to write how to

01:16:38.500 walk how to tie their shoes you know all the basics how to eat with a fork without impaling themselves

01:16:44.020 and you taught them how to be potty trained right i think people should get a phd if they can teach a

01:16:49.060 toddler how to be potty trained i mean that's just my opinion but you taught your children all these

01:16:53.140 things um just keep teaching them but start to add in academics and you can do this you're not too

01:17:00.340 stupid you're not too incompetent and that that's a lie that the school system has told you because

01:17:06.100 they want your kid because your kid represents a boatload of money to them as door said especially

01:17:11.940 if they can label your child then they usually get twice as much money for your child and so this is

01:17:17.860 why it's so important for you to um to be the parent and so just look at homeschooling as parenting

01:17:25.140 with academics and the main goal is parenting is preparing your child for life but using academics

01:17:31.060 as part of the toolbox you know tools in the toolbox that you use to prepare them for life

01:17:35.380 love it really really appreciate you spending time with us and uh yeah just sharing some so many deep

01:17:46.980 thoughts and i feel very encouraged i think a lot of our listeners are encouraged based on the comments

01:17:53.780 that are coming through the chat here thank you again it's real wayne for being here with us thank you

01:18:00.180 everybody that's attended and signed in for being here we're going to sign off now and um you can reach

01:18:08.180 me at homeschooling at action for canada.ca if you have any questions at all you can go through our

01:18:15.140 website find your province get connected to your uh provincial homeschool group they will also um have

01:18:23.300 additional resources and curriculum ideas to help you get started on your journey into homeschooling

01:18:30.420 so thank you everyone and uh enjoy your day and uh like tanya said we will be off for the month of

01:18:38.900 july but we will resume back in mid-august bye-bye everyone thank you god bless

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History of Education & Homeschooling with Israel Wayne - June 27, 2023

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