Action4Canada - Homeschooling Updates and Warnings with Doris Livingstone and Peter Stock Aug. 20, 2025

00:00:00.000 I also want to talk a little bit about graduation and the laws in each province.

00:00:06.540 And then you can also get the homeschool equivalency certificate.

00:00:09.900 What we tell our members is you don't need a high school, official high school diploma to go on to post-secondary education.

00:00:19.220 In fact, we're finding now that the top ranked universities in particular are more likely, well, they actually give the preference to home educated students over those from other backgrounds.

00:00:35.120 And the reason they do that is they've come to recognize what, you know, the academic studies show, which is that homeschool students are academically more advanced.

00:00:45.440 They have better self-study habits.

00:00:47.620 They have all those character traits that you were just talking about, too, where they show up on time and they do their work and they deliver results.

00:01:01.500 Well, good evening, everybody.

00:01:03.580 I'm Kim McBride.

00:01:04.960 I'm the National Chapter Coordinator for Action for Canada, and I'm sitting in Heather's chair tonight, filling in for her.

00:01:11.300 It is my pleasure to welcome you tonight from coast to coast or from wherever you're tuning in to our evening show.

00:01:18.560 Whether you are currently homeschooling, considering it for the first time, or simply want to understand the legal protections in place,

00:01:26.140 this Empower Hour will deliver the essential knowledge and strategies every parent needs to fortify their child's future.

00:01:34.360 Tonight, Action for Canada's very own homeschool lead, Doris Livingstone, will be hosting the show with special guest Peter Stock,

00:01:43.600 president of the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, also known as the HSLDA.

00:01:51.680 Together, they will address the growing interest in homeschooling across Canada

00:01:56.380 and the importance of protecting the right of parents to direct their children's education.

00:02:02.860 The title of the show is Homeschooling Updates and Warnings.

00:02:07.720 It is August 20th, 2025, and this is the Empower Hour.

00:02:13.360 Now, it's my pleasure to introduce Doris Livingstone.

00:02:16.940 Action for Canada is blessed to be in team with Doris,

00:02:20.100 a homeschooling parent who comes with a wealth of experience and expertise.

00:02:26.380 Having homeschooled her three children from K to 12, and now supporting the homeschooling of her grandchildren,

00:02:34.120 Doris has learned that homeschooling becomes a way of life, and a very fulfilling one,

00:02:39.560 filled with opportunities and experiences.

00:02:42.940 By the late 1990s, Doris discovered the Homeschool League Defense Association and became a member.

00:02:49.780 However, HSLDA is a non-profit organization devoted to protecting, empowering, and advancing home education in Canada.

00:02:58.460 They provide legal services and professional homeschool support to help their member families flourish.

00:03:04.600 Since 1991, they have represented homeschoolers in the courts and legislatures across Canada

00:03:10.740 and work to promote parent choice in education.

00:03:14.700 HSLDA also provides exclusive resources to make the homeschool life easier

00:03:20.100 and offer expert advice and extensive member services within a professional circle of care.

00:03:26.540 These services include knowing your provincial homeschool laws,

00:03:30.400 the how to get started, finding a local support group, conventions in your province,

00:03:35.080 learning about the different stages of homeschooling, to graduation, building a transcript, and post-secondary education.

00:03:43.160 Over the years, as homeschooling solidly became the third option alongside public and private education,

00:03:50.220 HSLDA has been there protecting the freedom of homeschool in Canada.

00:03:55.620 Joining Doris this evening is our special guest, Peter Stock.

00:03:58.920 Peter promotes home education and defends parental choice across Canada

00:04:04.100 through his leadership in the Homeschool Legal Defense Association

00:04:07.580 and the Canadian Centre for Home Education.

00:04:11.960 Previously, Peter spent over two decades in a variety of roles in Parliament Hill.

00:04:17.980 He and his wife homeschooled their four children

00:04:20.860 and delight in encouraging others to explore a unique educational journey for their families.

00:04:26.460 Peter will share valuable guidance and up-to-date information on homeschooling,

00:04:32.040 including parents' legal rights, how to safeguard your homeschooling freedoms,

00:04:36.500 and the steps to take if those rights are challenged.

00:04:40.140 He will also discuss current concerns facing homeschooling families in Canada,

00:04:44.680 as well as strategies to ensure your children receive a quality education rooted in your values.

00:04:50.600 With legal protection, expert advice, and a wealth of resources,

00:04:55.180 HSLDA empowers parents to homeschool with confidence.

00:04:59.680 So, please join me in welcoming Doris Livingstone and Peter Stock.

00:05:06.840 Thank you, Kim.

00:05:08.340 You're welcome.

00:05:09.060 Thank you, and welcome, Peter.

00:05:11.020 It's so great to have you back.

00:05:12.700 We've had you interviewed at least a couple of times in the last few years,

00:05:17.000 and it's always great to get more updates on what's happening in Canada

00:05:22.000 and this surge of homeschooling over the last five years.

00:05:27.120 And just to those who are watching right now, if you have any questions,

00:05:30.800 just pop them into the Q&A section,

00:05:33.520 and we'll try to make some time at the end to address a few of those.

00:05:37.920 So, Peter, welcome, and we're just going to talk a little bit about the role

00:05:41.260 that HSLDA has been playing in homeschooling families across Canada.

00:05:46.580 I understand it started in 1991,

00:05:48.540 and I'm sure there's been lots of updates since then.

00:05:53.740 Oh, there sure have been, Doris.

00:05:55.240 Yes, thanks for having me on again.

00:05:56.860 It's great to see you and share some time with the Action for Canada crowd.

00:06:03.260 Yeah, so 34 years.

00:06:05.420 It's a long time the organization has been in existence,

00:06:08.040 and, of course, there were people homeschooling before that.

00:06:10.760 And at that time, at the time we were founded,

00:06:13.520 the families that were homeschooling found they had a bit of a challenge

00:06:17.100 because a lot of governments, a lot of school boards,

00:06:19.920 and other officials weren't sure what to think about home education.

00:06:23.940 It fell into what you might call a bit of a gray area in the law.

00:06:27.560 And, in fact, some government authorities were quite hostile.

00:06:31.340 Some parents were threatened with fines or jail time

00:06:34.460 or perhaps even having their children apprehended.

00:06:38.080 Now, things have changed a lot in that time.

00:06:40.200 Well, first of all, they've changed because those parents got together

00:06:43.840 and helped found HSLDA.

00:06:45.680 And the goal was to hire a lawyer that would help to defend their rights.

00:06:50.240 And that's what we've done for 34 years, and we continue to do it to this day.

00:06:54.660 Now, the good news is right across Canada, every province and territory,

00:06:59.040 home education is a legal activity.

00:07:01.880 It's recognized as such by provincial governments and territorial governments.

00:07:07.480 And so you can do it anywhere in Canada.

00:07:08.880 And that's the good news.

00:07:11.240 The not-so-good news is that sometimes there are still government officials,

00:07:15.700 whether they're social workers, school board officials,

00:07:18.760 who don't understand the law or don't necessarily respect.

00:07:23.020 And so that's where we come in.

00:07:24.800 And if your family faces a challenge, and sadly, this is a regular occurrence,

00:07:30.180 we're there to protect you.

00:07:31.320 We're there to defend you and represent you.

00:07:33.680 So that's the primary reason we were founded

00:07:36.560 and continue to exist to this day.

00:07:38.800 And by the way, we're busier than we've ever been.

00:07:42.940 Yeah, I can imagine, because I'm sure in the last five years,

00:07:46.280 we've particularly seen a surge.

00:07:49.140 According to the Canadian Centre for Home Education,

00:07:52.300 a report, a 2012-25 report said that homeschooling has grown a stalled at 54% over the three years.

00:08:01.320 So tell us about what's causing parents to want to homeschool,

00:08:06.080 particularly in the last five years.

00:08:08.160 Yeah, I think there are two things at play here.

00:08:11.680 I mean, first of all, we're all familiar with what happened during COVID.

00:08:14.780 And a lot of, not just kids were home during those years, but some of the parents were as well.

00:08:21.840 And so I think there are probably two parts to the growth.

00:08:25.780 The first part is what happened at that time,

00:08:28.640 where parents who had maybe been thinking about homeschooling,

00:08:32.500 but hadn't really pulled the trigger on it yet,

00:08:34.620 said, well, this is our opportunity.

00:08:36.540 We're going to, we're at home anyway.

00:08:38.300 We might as well try it out and see how it goes.

00:08:40.660 And so an awful lot of families did do that.

00:08:43.880 And, you know, a number of them stuck with it.

00:08:46.420 They found that, you know, their kids were seeing, were doing well academically.

00:08:50.840 There was less anxiety in their lives and they were enjoying it.

00:08:53.820 They're enjoying their time together as a family.

00:08:55.520 So we saw a lot of families start during COVID and continue on, but not every family,

00:09:00.820 not every family.

00:09:01.660 Some went back to the private schools, the public schools.

00:09:05.160 Then there was a second cohort.

00:09:06.660 And these are post-COVID, new to homeschooling families.

00:09:11.300 And I think what we're seeing there is, sadly, it's a bit of a negative reason,

00:09:16.360 but I think a lot of families are just fed up with what's going on in the public system in particular.

00:09:22.360 They're tired of the agendas.

00:09:24.180 They're tired of the bullying and all the negative things that are happening in our public system.

00:09:30.020 And they've just said, you know what, we've got to find an alternative.

00:09:32.760 So it's not just us as homeschoolers that are seeing a growth in our movement.

00:09:37.220 There's been tremendous growth in the private schools as well for that same reason.

00:09:41.860 But yeah, it's not the greatest reason to start, but I think a lot of families that have started

00:09:46.920 have found, again, real benefit in it.

00:09:50.300 And they're not looking back.

00:09:52.960 You know, they're following ahead with home education and just enjoying it as a family.

00:09:58.740 Yeah, I mean, they were the best years ever.

00:10:02.820 I mean, for those of you who are just getting started, I always encourage you,

00:10:07.380 the first year is all about learning, even as a parent and the child's learning.

00:10:12.640 And whether they're 5 or 10 or 15, whenever you pull them, it takes a year,

00:10:16.840 sometimes two years to sort of get into a rhythm.

00:10:20.380 But we'll get into more of the opportunities that HSLDA can offer to support you.

00:10:26.600 So let's talk a little bit about the stats.

00:10:31.420 The NERI, so N-H-E-R-I, National Home Education Research Institute,

00:10:36.640 also had a 2025 report show that homeschoolers report generally 15 to 25 percent higher

00:10:43.260 than public school kids on standardized achievement tests.

00:10:46.740 What other information do you have to support statistics in that regard?

00:10:55.400 Because we've been hearing this for years and years,

00:10:57.840 and my gut feeling always has been in regards to the whole tailored education.

00:11:03.020 You know, you tailor it to the child who you might have a wiggly kid,

00:11:07.820 or you might have one who just needs to hold and touch and feel,

00:11:12.020 and you might have one that wants to watch the movie or the one who needs to go outside

00:11:16.720 and burn energy first before they can settle down and read a book.

00:11:21.040 But even in all of those things that, you know, you can be pulling your hair as a parent,

00:11:27.500 going, why is it my kid sitting still or whatever,

00:11:30.140 these stats still show they're doing okay.

00:11:32.680 And so I always say to parents, you know, you don't have to panic.

00:11:36.680 You're still going to be okay.

00:11:37.800 You're going to be at least as good as the average or better.

00:11:41.160 So if you could speak to that.

00:11:43.920 Yeah, for sure.

00:11:44.760 Well, I mean, a couple of things on the sort of the hardcore academic side,

00:11:48.840 the studies that have been done over decades now,

00:11:52.240 because they really started back in the 80s and really with a bang in the 90s.

00:11:58.480 They all tend to show the same thing,

00:12:00.280 which is that homeschoolers tend to outperform their peers academically.

00:12:04.160 And I should mention, and this is really key, it's not just academically, it's socially as well.

00:12:10.200 All the range of social indicators, social development indicators that you can gauge,

00:12:16.500 home-educated kids generally do better on those as well.

00:12:20.060 So there's a certain benefit to home education that we're not seeing in the institutional school setting.

00:12:27.940 I think it's pretty easy to explain, really.

00:12:30.780 First of all, you're in a safe environment.

00:12:32.820 You're in an environment where you're not wasting time.

00:12:35.980 And I think a lot of homeschoolers recognize once they get started, they see this quite quickly.

00:12:40.780 We can have our academics done, especially for the younger elementary age kids, in a couple of hours.

00:12:46.300 We don't need six hours a day to do schoolwork, not the academic schoolwork anyway.

00:12:52.200 We'll do other things.

00:12:53.360 We'll play, we'll do sports, we'll do music and art and field trips and all these other great things.

00:12:58.420 But in terms of the hardcore academics, we only need a portion of the day to accomplish what happens in a whole day in the public system.

00:13:06.980 Because there's so much more wasted time in a classroom.

00:13:10.460 No fault of the teacher, it's just the nature of the beast.

00:13:12.920 You've got 30 kids in a room, there's going to be disturbances and interruptions.

00:13:17.720 And the final thing is, you know, parents know their kids best.

00:13:21.160 We see when our kids have a weakness or a struggle.

00:13:26.040 We see what their strengths are.

00:13:27.520 We can build on those.

00:13:28.900 We can spend more time encouraging them through the weakness.

00:13:31.300 If they don't get a concept in math, we don't move on the next day to something else and forget about it.

00:13:36.900 We work through it.

00:13:38.260 And so we have success that way.

00:13:41.240 And that's, you know, that's sort of the basics of why home education is successful.

00:13:47.700 So I think the other aspect that's really, really, really valuable is that we're not just teaching our kids.

00:13:55.760 We're teaching them how, we're not just teaching them knowledge.

00:13:58.820 We're teaching them how to learn so that even if we do miss something along the way,

00:14:06.020 we can act, you know, we can be confident that our children can pick it up when they need to.

00:14:10.680 So if there's something that's missed, if they've learned how to learn and they love learning,

00:14:15.940 they're going to continue that not just through their school years, but for the rest of their lives.

00:14:21.800 Homeschoolers are learners.

00:14:24.520 Yeah.

00:14:25.700 And I know that I've seen a couple studies already.

00:14:28.440 And I know my oldest daughter was part of that one report the CCHE did about 15 years ago.

00:14:40.760 Seeing how adults are doing, or I guess it was ages 17 to, I don't know, well into like maybe 25 or 30.

00:14:51.800 And how are they still doing?

00:14:53.780 And it's interesting.

00:14:56.360 And then, of course, the CARDIS also did that one about the study about how are these kids doing now as adults.

00:15:06.460 I think it was age 25 to 39.

00:15:11.420 And still their activity in society and their involvement in families and marriage and all these things.

00:15:19.520 It was really interesting to see the fruit of the work now over the decade.

00:15:24.220 Exactly.

00:15:27.220 Yeah.

00:15:27.740 So, you know, there's a lot of strong academic evidence.

00:15:31.300 And, of course, if you talk to individual homeschooling families that you know,

00:15:36.000 and I think most Canadians probably know one or two families at homeschool at this point,

00:15:41.220 you know, you'll witness what their children are like.

00:15:43.640 You'll know how they're doing.

00:15:45.040 And, of course, it's a great source of, I suppose, of anecdotal evidence as well.

00:15:52.580 And it's what encourages so many of us to get started in the first place.

00:15:57.080 Yeah.

00:15:57.920 Let's break it down a little bit by our freedoms.

00:16:01.880 So we never want to take our freedoms for granted, which is why I actually signed up to HSLDA in the late 90s,

00:16:10.020 because it was still sort of, I mean, it wasn't grassroots, but like you were saying, you know,

00:16:15.580 it was still still forming.

00:16:16.800 And I needed to know that I had the legal protection in case somebody showed up at my door.

00:16:23.420 But I also did it because I wanted to support the greater cause of HSLDA in case there was another family

00:16:34.680 in another province who was struggling.

00:16:37.500 My supporting HSLDA would help them along as well.

00:16:40.860 Well, so what are some of the current concerns today that homeschoolers or homeschooling families,

00:16:49.440 perhaps there's some provinces, some stories you can share that are interesting

00:16:56.660 and maybe they're glad they were a member of HSLDA,

00:16:59.820 because if you're not and you have a problem, who do you go to?

00:17:04.720 And that's why I think being a member is so important, because you know you've got that protection.

00:17:08.720 Yeah, well, you know, the most common, but the most serious cases we have, I'll put it that way.

00:17:18.420 Unfortunately, they're far too common, is in regards to child protection services or children's aid,

00:17:24.720 depending which province you're in, it's social services, so to speak.

00:17:29.660 And people can run into trouble with social services for all kinds of reasons.

00:17:36.800 You know, often they're not doing anything wrong, but it does become an issue.

00:17:42.160 And this could be anything from fostering and adopting a child to anonymous complaints.

00:17:49.760 Maybe a neighbor doesn't like you or a complete stranger doesn't like you, whatever.

00:17:56.240 Anybody can make an anonymous complaint.

00:17:58.260 We see all kinds of family law situations where homeschooling is not the issue primarily,

00:18:06.480 but homeschooling is affected because of the situation in a family court or due to a social services investigation.

00:18:15.860 So, you know, common example that we've seen so many times is the nosy neighbor sees the children out playing in the middle of the morning.

00:18:23.400 They've got their recess from their classes and says, why aren't those kids in school?

00:18:29.100 I'm calling the Children's Aid Society.

00:18:31.020 I'm calling Child Protection Services.

00:18:32.700 And they do that.

00:18:34.020 And so Child Protection Services is required by law to investigate any complaint, no matter how frivolous.

00:18:41.100 And they show up at the door and say, what's going on?

00:18:43.880 Now, you know, most of the time it can be a simple explanation.

00:18:46.960 Well, we home educate and that's why, you know, the children are home and not in school.

00:18:52.420 But often these things can snowball.

00:18:55.580 And let's say mom's having a hard day and one of the children's just take, you know,

00:19:00.300 one of the little children's just taking their diaper off and they're running around with it.

00:19:03.500 And there's a mess on the living room floor where somebody spilled Lego.

00:19:06.960 And, you know, suddenly the social worker decides, well, there might be, I see smoke here.

00:19:15.060 There may be fire.

00:19:15.840 I'm going to investigate further.

00:19:17.360 And so things can get out of hand quite quickly.

00:19:20.020 And this is where a quick call to HSLDA.

00:19:23.460 We have an emergency number 24-7.

00:19:26.060 Our members can call and say, get our lawyer on the line right away and say, how do I handle this situation?

00:19:31.580 And so we can give advice from that point forward and represent the family and resolve the situation, de-escalate it, and resolve it completely for the family.

00:19:46.120 With the issues going on in public school and just there's been so much attention lately with education.

00:19:56.420 It's been a sort of a big topic the last few years.

00:20:01.040 Has there been any concern yet regarding to the freedom to homeschool anywhere in Canada yet?

00:20:09.780 Yeah, I am sensing, I will say, more interest from certain provincial governments for sure.

00:20:18.140 We've always had some folks within either the bureaucracy or the political class who are not favorable towards home education for a variety of reasons.

00:20:29.700 I mean, there can be financial reasons.

00:20:32.100 That one's probably more obvious to people because if your child is removed from the public system, the local school or school board is losing, you know, anywhere from $12,000 to $16,000 a year per student that leaves.

00:20:48.780 And that's a lot of money.

00:20:49.720 You know, if a family of four decides they're homeschooling their kids, that's a starting teacher's salary right there.

00:20:55.560 It's gone from their budget.

00:20:56.580 So the financial interest on the part of schools and teachers' unions is very obvious.

00:21:02.860 What is more probably insidious and sometimes subtle is a political reason for opposing home education, which is folks who have agendas and don't like to see people removed from the system because they're not being taught the latest ideology.

00:21:24.700 And those are the folks that are perhaps more challenging to deal with.

00:21:29.180 So we have, and this tends to be more of the political class, but it can happen in the bureaucracy too, where that type of leader says, I want all these kids learning this agenda, whether it's the SOGI or climate change or, you know, you can name six or seven other things that are being pushed in schools.

00:21:48.540 Some of which, you know, some folks will agree with, some will disagree with, but the point is, there's this idea that there should be uniform indoctrination of children on the part of some of these political leaders.

00:22:02.300 And so they're not fans of home education for that reason, because not all home educators will teach these agendas.

00:22:08.720 That's, that's the bottom line.

00:22:10.500 So we are seeing, I think, a trend towards slightly more oversight in some provinces.

00:22:17.560 I would note Newfoundland, Manitoba, and possibly New Brunswick.

00:22:24.700 BC has given us a bit of a break in this regard because the legislature is so evenly divided at the moment.

00:22:31.400 I don't think the current government really wants to upset, you know, tens of thousands of families by messing with home education at this point.

00:22:40.700 But, you know, we'll see what happens next election, I guess.

00:22:45.700 And so, you know, about half the provinces in Canada, we are seeing some movement towards perhaps greater oversight or more regulation.

00:22:56.360 Yeah, and each province is different that way.

00:22:58.520 From the top of your head, do you recall the bigger provinces that have the larger population of homeschoolers versus other ones?

00:23:08.380 Yeah, so Ontario has the most, followed by British Columbia.

00:23:13.780 And then we would be looking at Alberta, Manitoba, Quebec, Saskatchewan, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, and then Newfoundland.

00:23:26.860 And interestingly enough, PEI has more home educators than Newfoundland does at this particular point in time.

00:23:34.780 PEI is a bit of a bright, bright spot on the map because it has a very, I call it a low regulation environment for homeschooling.

00:23:44.500 And there's not a lot of reporting that one has to do to the government on the island.

00:23:50.200 And that was a freedom that was fought long and hard for and finally won.

00:23:56.760 And so a lot of families take advantage of that and home educate their kids in Canada's smallest province.

00:24:03.140 I think we've kind of covered this here, but what steps should parents take if their rights to homeschool are challenged?

00:24:11.780 And I guess it would be a difference whether you're a member or not as well, right?

00:24:15.700 Yes.

00:24:16.200 And so if you're a member, you simply pick up the phone and call us and, you know, we're there to help you immediately.

00:24:21.380 Yeah, if you have a problem and you don't have membership, kind of depends what the issue is.

00:24:28.440 I mean, if you're in a situation where you're faced with a children's aid society or social services investigation of some sort,

00:24:38.360 my recommendation would be to hire a lawyer.

00:24:40.440 Don't try and do that on your own because you are not going to be, frankly, no one is equipped to deal with them.

00:24:48.620 You need a lawyer who specializes in that type of law to represent you.

00:24:52.340 They have a lot of power.

00:24:54.000 They can ruin your lives.

00:24:55.460 And you definitely need professional help for that.

00:24:59.020 So strongly advise people to get a lawyer if they face that sort of situation.

00:25:04.620 Now, situations that are less threatening, and that might just simply be a little dispute with the school board,

00:25:11.760 perhaps you can work it out yourself.

00:25:14.260 But again, we've got decades of experience dealing with those sorts of issues as well

00:25:19.680 and can usually resolve them very quickly for families if they run into a challenge.

00:25:26.900 Yeah.

00:25:27.920 So how can we safeguard our homeschooling freedoms?

00:25:30.700 So provincially, like for me, I mean, I can support you guys.

00:25:33.820 I can support CCHE.

00:25:36.860 Perhaps stay connected, I guess, is a big one in your provincial homeschool association.

00:25:45.320 What other measures can families do to safeguard their freedoms?

00:25:49.940 Yeah, I think that's, I think you're right, Doris.

00:25:52.540 I mean, the key organizations, of course, are HSLDA because we do this full time and professionally.

00:25:58.600 We have lobbyists and lawyers on staff.

00:26:00.640 Yes, we encourage membership in your provincial homeschooling organization as well.

00:26:06.680 If you're connected with your local group, that's also a great place to, you know, gather information,

00:26:12.240 what's happening lately and if there is action to be taken at some point in time.

00:26:17.480 And, you know, at different times in our history, in most provinces,

00:26:20.880 homeschoolers have gathered at the legislature at some point to sort of stand up for their freedoms.

00:26:26.040 Hopefully, we don't have to do that anytime soon anywhere, but it can be a need.

00:26:32.360 The other thing I recommend to families, and this is not news to a lot of people,

00:26:38.760 but some folks will find this a new idea, and that is to join the provincial political party of your choice.

00:26:45.780 I'm not going to tell you which one is the best one because there may not be a best one in any given province,

00:26:51.900 but the one that you feel most comfortable with that best represents your viewpoints is buy a membership,

00:26:57.160 and then you have a direct opportunity to influence who your MLA or MPP or member, you know,

00:27:06.200 member of provincial parliament, et cetera, is.

00:27:08.200 You have an opportunity to influence who your premier or leader of the opposition is,

00:27:14.280 and you have perhaps a chance to influence policy a little bit as well.

00:27:18.200 Very few people are actually members of political parties in Canada,

00:27:22.000 so your very minimal involvement, like a $5 or $10 membership,

00:27:27.360 and maybe voting once every few years on who your candidate is going to be or who your leader is going to be,

00:27:32.780 is a very small commitment, but it's a huge, huge source of influence for our movement.

00:27:39.360 So I would encourage membership in provincial political parties,

00:27:43.120 and frankly, just in the interests of good citizenship and in a better country,

00:27:48.680 pick a federal political party to get involved that way as well.

00:27:52.380 There are lots of things that happen at the federal level that don't directly impact education,

00:27:56.860 but impact our lives nonetheless.

00:28:00.020 Yeah, for sure.

00:28:02.520 Let's talk about the other aspects to membership.

00:28:07.340 I mean, legal protection is the big one, and so it also, when you sign up,

00:28:12.680 it'll actually, you can find out what your provincial laws are,

00:28:15.980 because they're close, but they're different.

00:28:19.820 And what, like, we've talked about other services,

00:28:22.300 and I've just made a list here on even how to get started for those who have no point of contact,

00:28:29.700 no reference, but they want to start homeschooling,

00:28:33.760 whether their child is 5, like I said, or 10 or 15.

00:28:36.960 If they reach out to you, tell us about the service that you offer.

00:28:40.960 Yeah, okay.

00:28:43.580 So the first thing is, all our staff are veteran homeschoolers,

00:28:48.140 just like yourself, Doris, or myself.

00:28:50.540 We've gone through the process and the journey,

00:28:53.620 and we have a lot of experience with it.

00:28:55.740 Many of our staff have actually home-educated children who have exceptional needs as well.

00:29:00.600 They're not, they've had that additional experience.

00:29:06.120 And so we're able to advise families, you know, personally, directly on steps they can take.

00:29:14.000 And, you know, if one of the common, I won't call it a struggle,

00:29:20.940 but challenges that families often face, especially at the beginning,

00:29:24.860 is what curriculum should I use?

00:29:27.040 You know, that's a big question.

00:29:28.140 There's a huge variety of curriculum out there, and a lot of it's great,

00:29:33.460 but which is the right curriculum for my child?

00:29:37.000 And is it the same as for my other child?

00:29:39.980 And the answer might be no, it might be different.

00:29:42.860 So we actually have a curriculum consultant,

00:29:45.140 somebody who has been advising on this,

00:29:48.260 has advised literally thousands of families over the years on curriculum choices.

00:29:53.500 And so that's somebody you can access.

00:29:55.460 If you, if it turns out at some point you detect you may have a special challenge with one of your

00:30:01.460 children, an exceptional need is a possibility.

00:30:04.880 We have, we have a professional exceptional needs consultant as well.

00:30:09.480 This all comes with your membership.

00:30:11.120 There's no extra charge for any of this.

00:30:12.720 So you get a consultation with either of these people,

00:30:14.660 and you can consult our staff anytime you want on questions from, yes, getting started,

00:30:20.220 but all the way through, okay, we're starting high school now.

00:30:22.580 What do we do now?

00:30:23.860 Or we're just about to graduate.

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00:32:45.180 And also, finding a local support group,

00:32:49.340 I think I can't mention enough how important it is to be connected

00:32:53.420 to a local support group.

00:32:56.400 And, you know, there you'll find new friends for your,

00:33:00.640 not just for yourself, for your kids.

00:33:02.100 There's programs that often happen in these support groups.

00:33:07.060 So when they reach out to you,

00:33:08.860 how do you point them to where they need to go

00:33:12.080 to get started with a support group?

00:33:14.000 Yeah, so we'll see which groups are available in their area.

00:33:18.720 I will say that with the huge number of new homeschoolers,

00:33:23.320 a lot of groups are finding they're getting filled up,

00:33:26.460 which is a great problem to have.

00:33:29.160 But there are new groups starting all the time.

00:33:31.400 So I think there's probably more opportunity in this area

00:33:35.180 than there ever has been before.

00:33:37.280 So, yes, we'll connect them with a group in their area.

00:33:40.320 And if we're not aware of one where you live,

00:33:43.260 we will work with the provincial organization

00:33:45.560 to see if we can find one that they're aware of.

00:33:48.500 But, yeah, we want to see everybody engaged at that level as well.

00:33:52.900 For reasons of community, it's much harder to homeschool in isolation.

00:33:58.480 If you have, we're not talking about, you know,

00:34:02.780 needing to be with other families every day of the week.

00:34:06.040 But once a week, you get the kind of support and encouragement you need.

00:34:09.840 And I guess I would also add on top of that,

00:34:13.700 and this is something that you're familiar with too, Doris,

00:34:17.420 is that conferences, which happen generally annually

00:34:21.840 in every province and region across the country,

00:34:24.540 are also a great opportunity for parents to attend,

00:34:30.600 to hear speakers, to get answers to questions

00:34:34.260 that maybe they haven't had answered before,

00:34:36.540 to browse curriculum, to actually see it in person,

00:34:39.960 not just sort of see it online.

00:34:41.820 It's very different, of course,

00:34:43.320 to talk to the people who are selling that curriculum.

00:34:46.420 And because they're all experts,

00:34:47.740 they've all homeschooled their kids as well.

00:34:50.740 And so it's a great,

00:34:52.360 and it's also a great opportunity to make some new friends as well.

00:34:55.200 So we strongly encourage people to consider a conference.

00:34:58.740 Now, I know not every family can afford that every year,

00:35:02.080 but I would strongly recommend it if you're just getting started

00:35:04.980 to at least try to get to one conference

00:35:07.200 and get a greater sense of what resources

00:35:10.940 are actually available to you.

00:35:14.400 By the way, we do have a list of those conferences on our website,

00:35:18.620 and I think we're able to pull that up.

00:35:20.180 So if that's the case, we'll maybe see that in a minute.

00:35:23.620 Yeah, so there's the homepage.

00:35:25.340 And if we scroll down just a tiny bit,

00:35:28.480 hslda.ca homepage,

00:35:30.560 and there's a green bar there right in the middle.

00:35:32.400 And if we click on that,

00:35:34.620 what you'll see come up

00:35:35.980 is a list of conferences across the country.

00:35:38.980 And of course, each one of these has a link attached to it

00:35:41.580 so you can get information from the website

00:35:43.440 about exactly where it is

00:35:45.260 and what's involved, who's speaking, et cetera.

00:35:47.800 And then we've got some of next year's conferences listed already,

00:35:51.280 the ones we have dates for.

00:35:53.440 For those in BC, good news.

00:35:55.740 In the lower mainland,

00:35:57.440 there's a new conference happening.

00:35:58.980 I think it's going to be in the Langley area.

00:36:01.060 They haven't nailed it down for sure yet,

00:36:02.980 but the dates are there.

00:36:04.080 Is it May 15th to 16th?

00:36:06.460 There's one to mark in your calendar

00:36:07.900 if you live in British Columbia

00:36:09.040 and you're in the lower mainland.

00:36:11.000 And then, of course,

00:36:12.420 just about every other region of the country

00:36:14.700 and province is covered with a homeschool conference.

00:36:18.820 A lot of folks, I'm afraid, in our north

00:36:21.900 are probably out of luck for those

00:36:23.260 unless they're coming south for shopping

00:36:25.720 or to see family or whatever,

00:36:27.160 and they can time that visit.

00:36:28.820 But we just don't have the same population,

00:36:31.580 of course, up there.

00:36:33.580 Yeah, no, those conferences were my lifeline.

00:36:36.520 And I lived on Vancouver Island during those years.

00:36:40.880 And the closest one in the earliest years was in Langley.

00:36:44.360 And we made it a trip, a girls' trip.

00:36:47.000 All of us moms went out.

00:36:48.460 And then later on, they were in the Okanagan.

00:36:51.400 And so then we still made it a big weekend

00:36:54.980 because it was just a time to remember

00:36:58.260 why you're doing what you're doing

00:37:00.280 and getting recharged and refocused for the fall.

00:37:06.280 Because oftentimes, usually by April and May for sure,

00:37:11.500 you know, parents and sometimes the kids,

00:37:14.880 but parents are fatigued

00:37:16.280 and ready to sort of throw in the towel

00:37:19.740 and just almost going, why are we doing this?

00:37:23.820 But then you go to a conference,

00:37:26.560 you're going, ah, this is why I'm doing it.

00:37:28.520 And this is why it's so important.

00:37:30.920 And you get just ignited.

00:37:34.380 And also the whole curriculum providers,

00:37:37.020 they're on site.

00:37:37.840 You can actually open the curriculum.

00:37:40.540 You can look at it.

00:37:41.420 And you can decide, even as a mom teacher,

00:37:43.980 like, do even I resonate with this curriculum?

00:37:47.000 Or is this like, so not me?

00:37:49.600 I could never teach it

00:37:50.580 because I don't even understand it.

00:37:51.640 So you get to actually look at curriculum

00:37:53.360 and then think about each child and going,

00:37:56.900 oh, this would really resonate with so-and-so

00:37:59.140 in this program because there's music

00:38:01.060 and songs and games and activities.

00:38:02.700 This would really resonate with my wiggly child.

00:38:06.720 So I would highly encourage those conferences.

00:38:09.920 And we also have the list as well on our website.

00:38:16.040 So on our website, you would just go to the homepage

00:38:19.200 and look under current issues

00:38:21.020 and then scroll down to homeschooling revolution.

00:38:25.080 And everything homeschooling is in there

00:38:27.320 and the links to HSLDA, the link is there.

00:38:32.120 And yeah, thank you, Terenzio.

00:38:34.500 So yeah, so at the top, go to current issues

00:38:40.700 and then scroll down

00:38:43.500 and you'll see homeschooling revolution.

00:38:47.960 There it is on the right.

00:38:52.140 One, two, three, four, five down on the right.

00:38:54.460 There you go.

00:38:55.840 And everything homeschooling is there.

00:38:57.880 So you can find your provincial homeschool association.

00:39:00.460 That's your link to get started as well.

00:39:03.440 And if you scroll down,

00:39:04.700 you'll see how to access some of the webinars

00:39:06.640 we've done here, everything homeschooling.

00:39:09.840 And then just the legal aspect of finding HSLDA.

00:39:14.020 And there's some conferences there as well.

00:39:16.580 So let's talk a little bit again

00:39:22.400 about what's going on with the surge of homeschooling.

00:39:27.560 And in my experience,

00:39:30.940 I remember as a young mom,

00:39:34.500 there would be families very mad at a teacher

00:39:38.460 or mad at a school and they pull their child.

00:39:41.180 And then a year later, they'd be tired

00:39:44.020 and they didn't know what was in it.

00:39:46.820 You know, and they put their child back in.

00:39:48.820 And so with this movement of people pulling kids out of,

00:39:55.460 whether it's public or private,

00:39:57.380 but mostly it's public,

00:39:59.340 what can we say to encourage them

00:40:02.480 to sort of continue on?

00:40:05.840 We want to see everybody finish well.

00:40:07.560 We want everybody to see the other parts of homeschooling

00:40:10.940 and not just the grind of,

00:40:13.380 I got to turn the page on this curriculum

00:40:15.780 because then I will feel better

00:40:17.800 and then I will know my child is learning,

00:40:20.100 although that's not how learning occurs

00:40:21.620 by accomplishing a piece of paper.

00:40:24.980 And we want to see all these new families

00:40:28.460 and these new parents succeed

00:40:30.080 and continue on year after year.

00:40:33.480 And what can you say to that family

00:40:36.000 who needs to hear something?

00:40:39.940 Right.

00:40:40.180 Yeah, and that's probably a bigger discussion

00:40:44.460 than we could have in total tonight.

00:40:46.740 But let me just share a few thoughts.

00:40:50.300 One is, of course, we already talked about the conferences

00:40:52.880 and the local support groups.

00:40:54.980 And those, you know, the families that end up quitting,

00:40:58.200 they're often not engaged that way.

00:41:00.200 They're often not involved with the local support group

00:41:02.980 and they've never been to a conference.

00:41:04.660 And they're kind of trying to do it all on their own

00:41:07.520 and they don't have that support

00:41:09.180 and mutual encouragement from others.

00:41:11.880 But let's say that's not the case.

00:41:14.300 Let's say they have been engaged that way

00:41:15.780 and they're still finding it hard.

00:41:18.060 The ones that actually find it the hardest

00:41:20.020 are those who are trying to replicate school at home.

00:41:25.040 And that might sound a little funny,

00:41:27.380 but we're not actually trying to replicate school at home

00:41:31.660 when we're home educating.

00:41:33.000 Yes, we're providing education in the home,

00:41:35.160 but home is just the place

00:41:36.760 where some of our education happens.

00:41:39.020 It can happen many other places as well.

00:41:41.640 And I think probably one of the misunderstandings

00:41:47.860 that's being caused by the phrase home education

00:41:51.620 or homeschooling is it's not really about the home.

00:41:55.120 It's not really about just educating

00:41:56.940 somewhere outside of the school.

00:41:58.580 It's about parent-led and parent-directed education.

00:42:02.440 So, I mean, I've seen a couple of questions

00:42:04.480 in the chat already about, you know,

00:42:07.440 can I do things other than use curriculum?

00:42:10.520 And the answer is yes, generally you can.

00:42:13.420 The goal is learning and learning to love learning

00:42:16.580 and learning how to learn.

00:42:18.980 It's not about filling our children's heads

00:42:22.600 with a specific body of knowledge

00:42:26.060 on a specific topic and completing the book.

00:42:29.400 In fact, most of us as parents are guilty of,

00:42:34.880 and we probably catch ourselves doing this

00:42:37.180 even after many years, we're guilty of saying,

00:42:39.280 oh, I haven't finished the book, therefore I failed.

00:42:41.720 And that's simply not true.

00:42:43.040 That's not the case.

00:42:44.120 We need to recognize that our kids learn at a certain pace.

00:42:48.600 Sometimes they learn things quickly.

00:42:50.620 I had a child who learned,

00:42:52.820 who was years ahead in spelling, for example.

00:42:55.340 She was a big reader and, you know,

00:42:58.560 spelling came very easy to her.

00:43:01.160 And so she won the spelling bee as,

00:43:03.560 I mean, that's so stereotypical of homeschoolers, isn't it?

00:43:06.900 She won the county spelling bee.

00:43:08.860 But, you know, she was years ahead in that.

00:43:12.420 So we didn't even do spelling some years

00:43:14.660 because it's like, what's the point?

00:43:16.540 Are we going to do grade eight spelling in grade four?

00:43:19.080 There's no point to that.

00:43:20.340 Let's spend the time on something more valuable

00:43:23.460 that will be useful to this child at this time.

00:43:26.360 So maybe we spent more time reading some history

00:43:29.200 or doing geography or whatever the case may be.

00:43:32.560 So the wonderful thing about home education

00:43:34.740 is we have this flexibility

00:43:36.160 where we're able to draw on what's best,

00:43:41.540 to cater to the interests of our child,

00:43:45.220 and yet still, you know,

00:43:48.560 accomplish something great by the end of the year.

00:43:51.200 Having said all that,

00:43:52.160 I do want to make the point that

00:43:54.220 there are a couple of subjects

00:43:56.540 where we do have to be a lot more deliberate

00:43:58.640 and consistent in terms of,

00:44:01.540 and in fact, I would say with mathematics in particular,

00:44:04.340 we probably do want to be using

00:44:06.140 something closer to a formal curriculum.

00:44:08.980 It's a progressive,

00:44:11.520 it's almost a language we're learning there.

00:44:13.780 And, you know, it builds over the years.

00:44:17.280 So you can't just sort of leave out

00:44:18.620 a couple of years worth of math

00:44:20.000 and expect to move on easily.

00:44:23.320 You can miss a few little things along the way.

00:44:25.340 It's not the end of the world,

00:44:26.400 but using a math curriculum is probably valuable.

00:44:30.360 But for some of those other subjects,

00:44:32.180 you can use a variety of resources to teach.

00:44:38.300 I would agree with that.

00:44:39.840 That's kind of what we were told in the beginning,

00:44:41.680 and we stuck with the math curriculum the whole way.

00:44:46.520 I had a thought and I wanted to come back.

00:44:50.360 But I was, yeah, here it comes.

00:44:51.540 So when we're homeschooling too,

00:44:54.280 like if we get overly focused,

00:44:56.420 this is to just encourage those

00:44:58.260 who are just starting and new at it too.

00:45:00.960 We have to think of the whole child and the journey.

00:45:04.100 And so what I would do is

00:45:06.100 I would set big goals for the year

00:45:07.920 and then break it down kind of like,

00:45:10.580 okay, I want to accomplish like this much

00:45:12.600 by Christmas, et cetera.

00:45:14.980 And then I break it down again.

00:45:16.220 And how can we, what can we do per month?

00:45:18.720 But if you have a bad day,

00:45:19.880 you have a bad day and you switch it up.

00:45:22.220 But as long as you see progress in the end,

00:45:26.420 they're progressing.

00:45:27.600 Like reading, like for a young child,

00:45:30.020 is probably one of the biggest age variances.

00:45:33.980 Like they can start reading,

00:45:35.940 like my oldest was reading and this was not normal.

00:45:39.100 And it was my first child.

00:45:40.360 So I thought it was normal,

00:45:41.620 but she was reading words at four and a half.

00:45:44.580 And then later on,

00:45:45.800 like my second was more like six, six and a half, seven.

00:45:49.820 And then it can go as late as nine and 10.

00:45:52.360 So knowing that that gap is okay,

00:45:55.700 takes the pressure off already.

00:45:57.980 And again, as long as they're progressing

00:45:59.660 and eventually they're going to become readers

00:46:04.200 and where they're going to,

00:46:05.300 they're going to become bookworms, maybe not,

00:46:08.660 but they know how to read.

00:46:10.100 And that's the key.

00:46:11.620 And so I would say, I'm not a bookworm,

00:46:14.080 but I know how to read.

00:46:15.060 You know what I mean?

00:46:15.540 Like there's all kinds of us out there.

00:46:18.060 And then you look at the character development,

00:46:20.880 you look at chores and habits

00:46:24.040 and following through and finishing a job

00:46:29.400 and being honest and being on time.

00:46:32.780 And those things, you could start them very young,

00:46:35.040 but that starts to show up at high school

00:46:36.560 when they get a job.

00:46:38.160 And how are we training them now

00:46:40.260 so they're ready for that later?

00:46:42.700 And there's so much about the homeschool life.

00:46:45.240 It's not just about filling out that math paper

00:46:48.360 and checking the box that they finished something.

00:46:51.900 So let's move into the chat.

00:46:57.020 I noticed there was a couple of good questions in there.

00:47:00.180 And one of them was,

00:47:01.880 is there a forum for local retired mechanics,

00:47:06.140 millwrights, artists, chefs, technicians

00:47:08.720 that could come in to assist homeschoolers on occasion?

00:47:12.740 And I want to say yes, absolutely.

00:47:15.720 Yeah.

00:47:17.680 Yeah.

00:47:18.300 In fact, you know,

00:47:19.380 one of the things my wife has organized for many years

00:47:22.940 is she calls it group learning opportunities.

00:47:25.620 And it's basically,

00:47:27.580 it's for high school students

00:47:30.680 or high school age students,

00:47:32.180 secondary age students.

00:47:33.880 And she would pick a subject,

00:47:36.600 could be biology,

00:47:37.540 could be woodworking.

00:47:38.500 And she would have somebody

00:47:39.660 who's an expert in that field come in

00:47:41.360 and they'd have a classroom.

00:47:43.360 And for maybe two hours a week,

00:47:45.400 there would be some tutoring,

00:47:46.460 maybe time for some experiments

00:47:49.040 like dissecting the frog,

00:47:50.840 something most parents don't want to do.

00:47:53.400 And, you know,

00:47:55.480 and then the students would work on their biology

00:47:59.240 through the rest of the week,

00:48:01.240 working through a textbook

00:48:02.200 or whatever the material is

00:48:04.300 for the particular course they're studying.

00:48:07.320 And then they come together once a week

00:48:09.760 to have this group learning opportunity

00:48:12.360 with other home educators.

00:48:13.580 So they're still doing the,

00:48:15.920 you know,

00:48:16.200 the vast majority of their learning

00:48:18.420 under their parents' direct supervision.

00:48:21.660 But you get this opportunity

00:48:23.460 to have an expert come in

00:48:24.820 who's in many cases,

00:48:27.420 well, it's a biologist,

00:48:28.520 somebody with a doctorate in biology

00:48:29.700 or somebody who's an expert,

00:48:32.180 master carpenter, craftsman, et cetera,

00:48:35.780 who can teach,

00:48:36.520 who can teach how to do,

00:48:38.360 you know,

00:48:40.280 woodwork or whatever other subject

00:48:43.080 you might be interested in.

00:48:44.760 So, you know,

00:48:45.580 the world is completely open

00:48:48.540 to almost infinite possibilities

00:48:50.920 when it comes to home education that way.

00:48:53.140 If you have a vision for something,

00:48:55.380 you can pursue it

00:48:56.320 and your children can benefit from it.

00:48:58.500 And you're not constrained by,

00:49:00.260 you know,

00:49:01.660 somebody else's schedule

00:49:02.800 or an institution's rules or whatever.

00:49:06.000 You can go and do

00:49:08.080 what's best for your kids.

00:49:09.900 Exactly.

00:49:12.660 Yeah, I arranged that

00:49:13.820 for my second daughter.

00:49:15.300 She was just really into photography.

00:49:18.900 So I asked,

00:49:20.120 we were in a very small town,

00:49:21.360 so I asked the main photographer in town

00:49:23.000 to sort of mentor her.

00:49:24.980 And now to this day,

00:49:26.620 that daughter is now

00:49:28.120 a professional photographer.

00:49:30.300 So, you know,

00:49:30.980 just taking somebody under her wing

00:49:32.480 once or two days a week,

00:49:33.960 you know,

00:49:34.280 for like,

00:49:34.960 I think it was just a year

00:49:36.000 we committed to something like that.

00:49:37.420 And then my oldest too,

00:49:40.020 like the law in BC,

00:49:41.520 and this is why you need to know

00:49:42.820 your provincial laws,

00:49:44.620 allows you,

00:49:45.880 and I don't always encourage this,

00:49:47.400 but I let my oldest child

00:49:49.860 go to band,

00:49:51.680 because we lived in a small town,

00:49:53.420 band at the local public school,

00:49:56.280 because that's something

00:49:57.140 I couldn't offer her.

00:49:59.040 Right.

00:49:59.200 And so she learned an instrument there.

00:50:01.820 And it's funny,

00:50:03.020 she made a comment,

00:50:03.900 she goes,

00:50:04.600 Mom, nobody listens.

00:50:05.860 And I went,

00:50:07.800 I remember those days myself.

00:50:10.520 But she had a good time.

00:50:12.120 And then she was also able

00:50:13.040 to join the track and field team

00:50:14.420 and compete on the island.

00:50:17.040 And they let her come in on that.

00:50:18.620 So that was very kind of them

00:50:19.740 to do that.

00:50:20.720 But her education,

00:50:22.580 her primary,

00:50:23.460 I would say 95% of her education

00:50:25.800 was still under me.

00:50:28.120 And especially in the high school years

00:50:30.240 as well.

00:50:31.840 And,

00:50:32.000 but there are windows of opportunity.

00:50:33.960 You know,

00:50:34.460 they can join sports teams,

00:50:36.900 like community teams,

00:50:38.580 if you want,

00:50:39.260 if you're worried about athletics,

00:50:41.120 and like,

00:50:42.020 you know,

00:50:42.800 getting the tutorship

00:50:44.080 and mentorship of trades.

00:50:46.080 That's all there.

00:50:47.440 And it's either talking to somebody

00:50:50.120 in your support group

00:50:51.280 who may know somebody,

00:50:53.320 or maybe there's already

00:50:54.360 something set up locally.

00:50:57.800 Even now,

00:50:58.640 I live in the Okanagan,

00:50:59.760 and I know that there's

00:51:00.920 a art hut.

00:51:02.660 And she has it open

00:51:04.380 for homeschool kids

00:51:05.620 during the week.

00:51:06.920 So there's a group

00:51:07.720 that'll go and book the hut

00:51:08.960 for about an hour,

00:51:10.920 an hour or two a week.

00:51:12.740 And so many,

00:51:14.060 many opportunities

00:51:14.840 besides,

00:51:15.720 again,

00:51:16.100 just the book work

00:51:17.620 part of it.

00:51:19.380 I also want to talk

00:51:20.720 a little bit about

00:51:21.920 graduation

00:51:24.080 and the laws

00:51:26.420 in each province.

00:51:28.000 And I will speak

00:51:28.660 for British Columbia.

00:51:30.160 I know you can do it

00:51:31.560 either get a teacher

00:51:33.040 assisted kind of thing,

00:51:34.440 and then you get

00:51:35.000 the official transcript

00:51:36.860 from the government

00:51:37.820 to show you've got

00:51:39.040 a government transcript.

00:51:42.560 And then you can also

00:51:43.740 get the homeschool

00:51:44.480 equivalency certificate,

00:51:46.860 which is,

00:51:47.620 I had kids that did

00:51:48.700 one of each,

00:51:49.620 or two of one

00:51:51.120 and one of the other.

00:51:53.620 But both proved

00:51:55.920 to be fine

00:51:57.040 for anything post-secondary.

00:52:00.200 And so let's talk

00:52:01.920 a little bit about

00:52:02.520 how that works in Canada.

00:52:04.980 Yeah.

00:52:05.640 So, you know,

00:52:07.640 every province

00:52:08.480 may be a little bit different

00:52:09.660 and Quebec

00:52:11.760 is its own situation.

00:52:13.720 It's quite different

00:52:15.060 because their entire

00:52:16.080 educational system

00:52:17.140 is also different.

00:52:18.900 But in general terms,

00:52:20.440 what we tell

00:52:23.040 our members is

00:52:23.940 you don't need

00:52:25.280 a high school,

00:52:26.760 official high school

00:52:27.700 diploma

00:52:28.180 to go on

00:52:29.560 to post-secondary education.

00:52:31.220 In fact,

00:52:32.660 we're finding now

00:52:33.820 that

00:52:34.180 the

00:52:35.520 top-ranked

00:52:37.880 universities

00:52:38.600 in particular

00:52:39.440 are more likely,

00:52:41.240 well,

00:52:41.400 they actually give

00:52:42.000 the preference

00:52:42.540 to home-educated students

00:52:44.000 over those

00:52:44.740 from other backgrounds.

00:52:46.860 And the reason

00:52:47.660 they do that

00:52:48.140 is they've come

00:52:48.700 to recognize

00:52:49.460 what,

00:52:50.380 you know,

00:52:51.220 the academic studies show,

00:52:52.820 which is that

00:52:53.380 homeschooled students

00:52:54.240 are academically

00:52:56.140 more advanced.

00:52:57.520 They have better

00:52:58.300 self-study habits.

00:52:59.640 They have all those

00:53:00.320 character traits

00:53:01.420 that you were just

00:53:02.060 talking about too,

00:53:03.140 where they show up

00:53:03.860 on time

00:53:04.320 and they do their work

00:53:05.220 and they deliver results.

00:53:08.260 And so universities

00:53:09.320 being generally

00:53:11.020 private institutions

00:53:12.040 in this country,

00:53:12.700 even though most of them

00:53:13.640 are publicly funded,

00:53:16.080 you know,

00:53:16.580 they set their own

00:53:17.140 admission standards

00:53:18.060 and they invest

00:53:19.300 a lot of money

00:53:19.980 in admissions.

00:53:20.880 They don't want

00:53:21.620 to see students

00:53:22.780 who come to their

00:53:23.520 institutions fail,

00:53:25.400 fail out,

00:53:26.280 and not return

00:53:27.120 because it costs

00:53:28.320 them money

00:53:28.800 to recruit.

00:53:29.700 It costs them money

00:53:30.360 to engage

00:53:31.480 in the admissions process.

00:53:32.580 So they want students

00:53:33.360 they know are going

00:53:34.240 to succeed.

00:53:35.300 So they generally

00:53:36.220 give preference

00:53:37.120 to home-educated students.

00:53:38.920 So if you're applying

00:53:39.540 as a home educator

00:53:40.400 and there are many ways

00:53:41.580 to do it

00:53:42.100 with post-secondary

00:53:43.200 institutions,

00:53:45.600 they're all a bit different,

00:53:47.140 you will find,

00:53:48.760 I believe,

00:53:49.940 great success

00:53:50.700 with applying

00:53:52.760 as a homeschooler.

00:53:53.920 You do not need

00:53:54.760 that high school,

00:53:56.720 formal provincial

00:53:57.620 high school diploma

00:53:58.540 to make it

00:53:59.920 in this world.

00:54:02.120 Where we do

00:54:03.160 sometimes run

00:54:04.120 into trouble

00:54:04.800 as home educators

00:54:06.080 is not so much

00:54:07.500 with colleges

00:54:08.000 and universities anymore,

00:54:09.700 but it's more with,

00:54:11.060 in some provinces,

00:54:12.040 it can be the trades

00:54:13.180 if you want to get

00:54:13.840 into the trades

00:54:14.680 or maybe like

00:54:17.500 a business school

00:54:18.280 or a cosmetology school

00:54:19.660 or something like that

00:54:20.700 where they say,

00:54:21.620 where's your high school diploma?

00:54:22.880 They're kind of living

00:54:23.840 behind the times

00:54:24.780 this way.

00:54:25.220 Now,

00:54:26.960 most of these institutions

00:54:28.380 do recognize

00:54:29.380 what was once called

00:54:30.660 the GED

00:54:31.500 and that's actually

00:54:33.300 changed in the last year.

00:54:34.880 There's now a new test

00:54:36.060 called the Canadian

00:54:36.920 Adult Education

00:54:38.640 Credential

00:54:39.680 and you can read

00:54:40.720 about that online

00:54:41.460 or on our website

00:54:42.380 and that's just a,

00:54:44.520 that's a replacement

00:54:45.220 for the old GED.

00:54:47.040 If you have the GED,

00:54:48.280 you can still use that

00:54:49.260 but the CAEC

00:54:50.780 is the new test

00:54:51.680 and that's a high school

00:54:53.900 equivalency test

00:54:56.240 that anybody can take

00:54:58.060 as a home,

00:54:58.580 you can take it

00:54:59.080 as a homeschooler

00:54:59.780 and that's generally

00:55:01.800 all you will need

00:55:02.760 to apply

00:55:03.420 to get into the trades,

00:55:05.060 to the military,

00:55:06.640 you know,

00:55:07.040 private business school,

00:55:08.820 whatever.

00:55:11.640 Yes, so true.

00:55:13.700 One of the questions,

00:55:15.120 the conversation

00:55:15.940 in the chat here

00:55:17.260 is regarding vaccines

00:55:19.400 and being able

00:55:21.140 to enter a school

00:55:22.300 and again,

00:55:23.320 I think that's going

00:55:24.000 to be different

00:55:24.640 based on each province's laws

00:55:27.160 but have you had any

00:55:31.600 or heard of any situations

00:55:33.200 where somebody's trying

00:55:35.960 to go to a school

00:55:36.960 and not being able

00:55:38.160 to enter

00:55:38.720 because of vaccines?

00:55:40.060 Now, that's the joy

00:55:41.700 of actually homeschooling.

00:55:43.920 You can control

00:55:45.060 what your child

00:55:46.340 is going to get

00:55:47.340 and how many

00:55:48.260 and the variety

00:55:49.720 and there's a lot

00:55:51.280 of, you know,

00:55:53.760 talk about, you know,

00:55:56.360 measles

00:55:56.700 and all this other stuff

00:55:57.740 out there

00:55:58.100 just creating fear

00:55:59.280 and all that.

00:56:03.260 I haven't known

00:56:04.740 anybody yet

00:56:05.840 who's had trouble

00:56:06.840 in BC

00:56:07.520 but I don't

00:56:10.040 and I also don't think

00:56:11.020 the private schools

00:56:12.160 in BC

00:56:12.900 mandate it

00:56:14.940 but have you heard

00:56:17.360 anything or any

00:56:18.380 has anything come up

00:56:19.400 from your side of it?

00:56:21.800 Yeah.

00:56:22.120 Now, we, again,

00:56:24.000 we have different laws

00:56:26.300 in each province

00:56:27.120 but one thing

00:56:28.480 that seems fairly uniform

00:56:29.800 is that every province

00:56:31.660 to this point in time

00:56:33.140 anyway

00:56:33.480 does allow

00:56:34.320 a conscience

00:56:35.540 or religious

00:56:37.260 freedom exemption

00:56:39.200 on vaccines.

00:56:40.420 you can

00:56:42.120 so, for example,

00:56:43.340 in Ontario

00:56:43.980 you basically sign a form

00:56:45.740 you have to get it

00:56:46.480 notarized

00:56:47.120 that says, you know,

00:56:48.700 for religious

00:56:49.240 or conscience reasons

00:56:50.440 I do not want

00:56:51.980 my child

00:56:52.500 to be vaccinated

00:56:54.300 or you can even

00:56:55.640 choose the vaccinations

00:56:56.580 if there's some

00:56:57.360 reason to do so

00:56:58.520 and that's generally

00:57:00.920 the case across

00:57:01.700 the country.

00:57:02.820 There's no place

00:57:03.620 that says

00:57:04.080 you can't go to school

00:57:05.100 if you haven't been vaccinated

00:57:06.260 if you have

00:57:07.780 a legitimate

00:57:08.640 objection

00:57:13.120 to being vaccinated

00:57:15.180 and

00:57:15.540 I think

00:57:17.840 we would probably

00:57:19.140 find that supported

00:57:20.260 by the courts

00:57:21.840 it hasn't been tested

00:57:24.700 recently

00:57:25.160 but

00:57:25.540 that's

00:57:26.540 sort of been

00:57:27.140 the long-term trend.

00:57:29.820 Yeah, it'll be

00:57:30.260 interesting to see

00:57:31.160 over time

00:57:31.840 what's going to happen

00:57:33.240 with that whole thing

00:57:35.660 whether it's

00:57:36.500 public school

00:57:37.060 private school

00:57:37.740 or homeschooling

00:57:38.580 it's just something

00:57:39.220 I'm always keeping

00:57:40.000 an eye out for

00:57:41.000 to see how

00:57:42.880 much the government

00:57:44.520 wants to get

00:57:45.620 into your

00:57:46.440 family life

00:57:47.980 and into your

00:57:49.220 freedoms

00:57:50.180 and your choices.

00:57:53.060 Just going to check

00:57:54.380 a couple more things

00:57:55.740 in here.

00:57:57.260 So

00:57:57.860 before we close

00:57:59.240 how can people

00:58:00.580 find you

00:58:01.580 and

00:58:02.220 your website?

00:58:04.280 Yeah, so

00:58:05.680 it's fairly simple

00:58:06.600 it's just

00:58:07.220 HSLDA

00:58:08.800 so the initials

00:58:10.300 of

00:58:10.660 our organization

00:58:11.900 .ca

00:58:12.740 and

00:58:15.120 then they'll

00:58:16.840 find everything

00:58:17.460 they need

00:58:18.100 on the website.

00:58:19.280 Yeah, and you can

00:58:19.800 see that little

00:58:20.420 green

00:58:20.840 join HSLDA

00:58:22.160 button

00:58:22.620 and

00:58:23.840 how much

00:58:25.960 does it cost

00:58:26.720 to

00:58:27.120 per day

00:58:28.140 or per year

00:58:28.860 or per month?

00:58:30.180 Right, so

00:58:30.860 we do have

00:58:32.120 various options

00:58:33.260 for membership

00:58:33.940 you can join

00:58:34.780 monthly

00:58:35.260 annually

00:58:36.160 or

00:58:37.140 we also have

00:58:37.980 a lifetime

00:58:38.320 membership

00:58:38.760 and

00:58:39.840 if you're a

00:58:40.620 member

00:58:40.920 we

00:58:41.240 we

00:58:41.620 encourage

00:58:41.980 like

00:58:42.220 we talked

00:58:42.920 about

00:58:43.180 encouraging

00:58:43.680 people to be

00:58:44.380 involved in

00:58:44.880 their local

00:58:45.240 support group

00:58:45.800 if you're

00:58:46.540 involved in

00:58:47.060 your local

00:58:47.420 support

00:58:47.720 if you're

00:58:48.080 involved in

00:58:48.600 a local

00:58:49.020 support group

00:58:49.620 and that

00:58:49.960 local support

00:58:50.620 group is

00:58:51.200 affiliated with

00:58:51.940 us which

00:58:52.340 costs

00:58:52.700 nothing

00:58:53.120 you can

00:58:54.700 get a

00:58:54.960 discount

00:58:55.240 on your

00:58:55.580 membership

00:58:55.900 with us

00:58:56.440 so

00:58:56.880 you can

00:58:58.020 join for

00:58:58.440 as little

00:58:58.740 as $16

00:58:59.260 a month

00:58:59.840 monthly

00:59:00.240 which is

00:59:02.820 less than

00:59:03.820 a cup

00:59:04.100 of coffee

00:59:04.540 at Tim

00:59:04.900 Hortons

00:59:05.300 a week

00:59:06.460 to be

00:59:07.720 a member

00:59:08.060 so

00:59:08.440 to have

00:59:09.780 the kind

00:59:10.120 of peace

00:59:10.500 of mind

00:59:10.860 we can

00:59:11.200 provide

00:59:11.680 I think

00:59:12.560 is

00:59:12.880 strongly

00:59:14.260 worth it

00:59:14.800 our family

00:59:16.360 joined

00:59:16.820 long before

00:59:17.720 I ever

00:59:18.060 took on

00:59:18.440 the leadership

00:59:18.900 of HSLDA

00:59:19.860 we just

00:59:20.340 did it

00:59:20.660 automatically

00:59:21.220 when we

00:59:21.760 started

00:59:22.040 homeschooling

00:59:22.600 because

00:59:22.940 we thought

00:59:23.860 well we

00:59:24.380 may never

00:59:24.880 have a

00:59:25.440 problem

00:59:25.760 but

00:59:26.140 perhaps

00:59:27.120 others

00:59:27.440 will

00:59:27.720 and if

00:59:28.560 the knock

00:59:28.980 ever does

00:59:29.460 come at

00:59:29.800 the door

00:59:30.080 well I

00:59:30.700 know I've

00:59:30.980 got a

00:59:31.280 lawyer

00:59:31.560 on standby

00:59:32.860 to represent

00:59:34.460 and defend

00:59:35.120 me if

00:59:35.560 there's ever

00:59:36.480 any trouble

00:59:37.160 and

00:59:38.020 fortunately

00:59:39.660 most people

00:59:40.680 won't face

00:59:41.520 serious

00:59:42.100 trouble

00:59:42.860 but sometimes

00:59:44.100 you do

00:59:44.500 and it's

00:59:45.340 80% of the

00:59:47.700 folks that

00:59:48.100 we represent

00:59:48.660 that do

00:59:49.160 run into

00:59:49.540 trouble

00:59:49.820 never expected

00:59:51.100 to have

00:59:51.460 that trouble

00:59:51.880 it's not

00:59:52.200 that they

00:59:52.460 were doing

00:59:52.760 anything wrong

00:59:53.380 but

00:59:53.720 circumstances

00:59:54.860 arose

00:59:55.520 and they

00:59:56.160 faced a

00:59:56.740 challenge

00:59:57.100 from some

00:59:57.560 sort of

00:59:57.860 government

00:59:58.100 agency

00:59:58.600 and

00:59:59.520 boy

01:00:00.140 were they

01:00:00.440 glad

01:00:00.640 to have

01:00:01.060 us

01:00:01.320 absolutely

01:00:03.540 that's

01:00:04.120 the same

01:00:04.460 reason

01:00:04.720 why I

01:00:05.180 joined

01:00:05.540 and I

01:00:05.900 highly

01:00:06.400 encourage

01:00:07.200 many of

01:00:08.260 you to

01:00:08.800 or somebody

01:00:10.060 you know

01:00:10.420 who's

01:00:10.700 homeschooling

01:00:11.260 to become

01:00:12.500 a member

01:00:13.040 because

01:00:13.620 it grows

01:00:15.280 the group

01:00:15.760 too

01:00:16.020 and it

01:00:16.240 becomes a

01:00:16.700 stronger

01:00:16.980 voice

01:00:17.460 in Canada

01:00:18.300 and

01:00:19.440 you know

01:00:20.940 with

01:00:21.280 you never

01:00:22.460 know when

01:00:22.960 our freedoms

01:00:23.660 are going to

01:00:24.180 be challenged

01:00:25.120 or taken

01:00:25.900 away

01:00:26.340 and

01:00:26.960 knowing

01:00:27.580 you guys

01:00:28.060 are on

01:00:28.360 the front

01:00:28.660 line

01:00:28.960 doing

01:00:29.320 the heavy

01:00:30.260 lifting

01:00:30.560 for us

01:00:31.140 so we

01:00:31.460 can just

01:00:31.800 peaceably

01:00:32.360 homeschool

01:00:33.300 our children

01:00:33.820 at home

01:00:34.440 is just

01:00:35.920 so

01:00:36.360 you know

01:00:38.320 it's just

01:00:39.060 comforting to

01:00:39.640 know you're

01:00:40.000 there for

01:00:40.380 us

01:00:40.660 and we

01:00:41.940 really

01:00:42.180 appreciate

01:00:42.860 so

01:00:43.680 have you

01:00:44.980 got any

01:00:45.320 closing

01:00:45.680 comments

01:00:46.200 just to

01:00:47.260 share with

01:00:47.740 with our

01:00:48.380 viewers here

01:00:48.940 today

01:00:49.240 well I'm

01:00:50.900 excited about

01:00:51.500 the future

01:00:52.000 I do

01:00:52.700 think that

01:00:53.360 we have

01:00:55.000 a lot

01:00:55.500 to offer

01:00:56.000 the world

01:00:56.400 as home

01:00:56.840 educators

01:00:57.280 I mean

01:00:57.820 first of

01:00:58.260 all

01:00:58.480 we've

01:00:59.420 discovered

01:00:59.780 a lot

01:01:00.120 of things

01:01:00.480 about

01:01:00.740 education

01:01:01.320 that the

01:01:01.880 public

01:01:02.200 system

01:01:02.700 has

01:01:03.480 either

01:01:03.880 forgotten

01:01:04.280 or maybe

01:01:04.720 never

01:01:04.980 knew

01:01:05.360 and so

01:01:06.440 you know

01:01:07.560 there are

01:01:07.700 a lot

01:01:07.860 of homeschool

01:01:08.460 parents

01:01:09.420 out there

01:01:09.960 who can

01:01:10.720 go on

01:01:11.340 to be

01:01:11.940 leaders

01:01:12.300 in the

01:01:12.600 community

01:01:12.940 when they're

01:01:13.280 done

01:01:13.420 their

01:01:13.560 homeschooling

01:01:14.040 they can

01:01:14.300 do the

01:01:14.580 things

01:01:14.760 you're

01:01:14.960 doing

01:01:15.160 Doris

01:01:15.500 they can

01:01:16.140 run for

01:01:16.960 school board

01:01:17.600 trustee

01:01:18.180 they can

01:01:19.320 be a

01:01:19.860 voice for

01:01:20.460 reason and

01:01:21.500 sanity

01:01:22.000 in the

01:01:22.320 public

01:01:22.560 system

01:01:23.040 it needs

01:01:24.540 a lot

01:01:24.860 of help

01:01:25.340 and I

01:01:25.920 think we

01:01:26.240 have some

01:01:26.860 of the

01:01:27.180 answers

01:01:27.620 and solutions

01:01:28.500 that our

01:01:29.840 public

01:01:30.260 system

01:01:30.960 needs

01:01:31.460 the other

01:01:33.400 thing is

01:01:33.740 we're

01:01:34.200 growing

01:01:34.520 we're raising

01:01:35.720 a generation

01:01:36.500 of home

01:01:37.580 educated kids

01:01:38.420 who are

01:01:38.840 leaders

01:01:39.340 themselves

01:01:40.640 I mean

01:01:41.160 maybe that

01:01:42.280 wasn't our

01:01:42.820 goal when we

01:01:43.560 started

01:01:43.900 we didn't

01:01:44.260 say oh

01:01:44.720 I want my

01:01:45.220 kid to

01:01:45.680 lead the

01:01:46.160 country

01:01:46.480 or lead

01:01:46.960 this or

01:01:47.360 lead that

01:01:47.820 but

01:01:48.060 just because

01:01:50.160 of the

01:01:50.420 nature of

01:01:50.880 home

01:01:51.060 education

01:01:51.580 and because

01:01:52.040 of the

01:01:52.320 confidence

01:01:53.020 our kids

01:01:53.600 have

01:01:54.040 and the

01:01:54.400 great

01:01:54.720 education

01:01:55.260 they have

01:01:55.720 they've

01:01:56.340 naturally

01:01:56.800 become

01:01:57.220 leaders

01:01:57.680 in whatever

01:01:58.280 field they

01:01:58.800 go into

01:01:59.160 whether it's

01:01:59.540 the trades

01:02:00.100 or whether

01:02:01.240 they go into

01:02:01.680 law school

01:02:02.220 or politics

01:02:02.800 or whatever

01:02:03.360 they're all

01:02:04.360 leaders

01:02:04.760 and that's

01:02:05.860 a neat

01:02:06.460 byproduct

01:02:07.100 so we're

01:02:08.700 raising a

01:02:09.160 generation

01:02:09.700 that's going

01:02:10.340 to one

01:02:11.880 day change

01:02:12.740 the world

01:02:13.200 and we're

01:02:14.460 starting to

01:02:14.860 see it

01:02:15.120 already

01:02:15.420 it's quite

01:02:15.860 exciting

01:02:16.280 we've

01:02:16.980 just by

01:02:17.780 the way

01:02:17.980 we've got

01:02:18.540 young people

01:02:20.120 who were

01:02:20.580 home educated

01:02:21.260 elected to

01:02:22.780 provincial parliament

01:02:23.780 in Ontario

01:02:24.240 there's two of

01:02:24.760 them now

01:02:25.100 home educated

01:02:26.000 right their way

01:02:26.480 through

01:02:26.620 they're in

01:02:26.920 their 20s

01:02:27.640 and they're

01:02:28.700 both they've

01:02:29.200 both been

01:02:29.520 elected in

01:02:30.060 recent years

01:02:30.720 we've had

01:02:31.980 members of

01:02:32.440 parliament

01:02:32.840 the federal

01:02:33.620 level who

01:02:34.080 are home

01:02:34.400 educated

01:02:34.860 and we've

01:02:35.800 got plenty

01:02:36.260 of members

01:02:37.000 of parliament

01:02:37.520 and MPPs

01:02:38.560 and others

01:02:39.080 MLAs

01:02:39.940 and others

01:02:40.380 who are

01:02:41.120 home educating

01:02:41.700 their own

01:02:42.160 children

01:02:42.460 so there's

01:02:43.880 more and more

01:02:44.440 recognition of

01:02:45.300 the value

01:02:45.780 that home

01:02:46.200 education

01:02:46.660 brings

01:02:47.140 and the

01:02:48.780 difference it

01:02:49.460 can make

01:02:49.920 to the

01:02:51.320 civic life

01:02:52.020 in our

01:02:52.300 country

01:02:52.680 I agree

01:02:55.040 that's so

01:02:55.800 encouraging to

01:02:56.480 hear

01:02:56.760 thank you

01:02:57.900 again for

01:02:58.800 giving us

01:02:59.940 your time

01:03:00.580 and your

01:03:00.980 thoughts

01:03:01.620 and we

01:03:03.960 just want to

01:03:04.420 wish you

01:03:04.720 well and

01:03:05.360 really appreciate

01:03:06.060 your leadership

01:03:06.560 in this role

01:03:07.300 at HSLDA

01:03:08.180 thank you

01:03:09.260 for having me

01:03:09.740 on Doris

01:03:10.160 it was good

01:03:10.500 to see you

01:03:10.900 again

01:03:11.200 you bet

01:03:12.080 and for

01:03:14.080 those of

01:03:14.480 you who

01:03:14.940 want to

01:03:15.680 email me

01:03:16.340 you can

01:03:16.740 reach me

01:03:17.200 at

01:03:17.420 homeschooling

01:03:18.200 at

01:03:18.460 action

01:03:18.800 for

01:03:19.020 canada

01:03:19.540 dot

01:03:19.960 ca

01:03:20.300 and I'm

01:03:21.500 happy to

01:03:22.200 reply and

01:03:22.980 help you

01:03:23.600 and point

01:03:24.140 you to

01:03:24.400 the right

01:03:24.820 people to

01:03:26.060 help you

01:03:26.440 with your

01:03:27.160 concerns

01:03:28.100 or questions

01:03:29.240 I also

01:03:30.740 want to

01:03:31.120 mention

01:03:32.360 that next

01:03:33.060 next week

01:03:33.460 there is

01:03:33.860 there is no

01:03:34.060 empower

01:03:34.480 hour

01:03:34.820 because our

01:03:35.420 team is

01:03:35.980 preparing for

01:03:36.700 upcoming

01:03:37.100 actions

01:03:37.700 and gearing

01:03:38.700 up for a

01:03:39.280 busy fall

01:03:40.140 and anticipating

01:03:41.960 more great

01:03:42.980 wins

01:03:43.420 so that's

01:03:44.160 just next

01:03:44.680 week and

01:03:45.100 then we'll

01:03:45.400 be back

01:03:45.820 again after

01:03:46.460 that

01:03:46.900 our verse

01:03:49.000 for today

01:03:50.840 is train

01:03:51.760 up a

01:03:52.060 child in

01:03:52.680 the way

01:03:52.960 he should

01:03:53.340 go and

01:03:54.580 when he is

01:03:55.100 old he will

01:03:56.060 not depart

01:03:56.780 from it

01:03:57.280 and that's

01:03:58.440 taken from the

01:03:59.120 King James

01:03:59.720 version so I

01:04:01.100 looked it up

01:04:01.740 under the

01:04:02.520 New Living

01:04:03.100 Translation and

01:04:04.100 I like it this

01:04:04.780 way to

01:04:05.340 direct your

01:04:06.460 children onto

01:04:07.180 the right

01:04:07.580 path and

01:04:08.960 when they are

01:04:09.480 older they

01:04:10.460 will not

01:04:10.900 leave it

01:04:11.400 and that's

01:04:13.360 just comforting

01:04:13.860 to know that

01:04:14.640 the investment

01:04:15.540 as parents

01:04:16.200 that we put

01:04:16.740 into raising

01:04:17.960 our kids

01:04:18.620 and educating

01:04:20.220 them at home

01:04:20.940 and you will

01:04:21.740 see the fruit

01:04:22.340 of your work

01:04:22.980 in due time

01:04:24.920 so with that

01:04:26.800 we will close

01:04:27.800 thank you everyone

01:04:28.840 for being here

01:04:29.720 and I just

01:04:31.480 want to say

01:04:32.200 God bless you

01:04:33.140 and God bless

01:04:34.540 Canada

01:04:44.640 that's what I

01:04:45.240 got to say

01:04:45.900 look at this

01:04:46.520 crowd

01:04:47.180 I'm going to

01:04:51.440 thank God

01:04:52.420 and God

01:04:53.900 alone

01:04:54.580 for the ground

01:04:56.020 that I'm

01:04:56.520 standing on

01:04:57.660 I'm going to

01:05:02.400 thank our

01:05:02.980 founding fathers

01:05:04.240 for giving

01:05:05.480 their lives

01:05:06.560 and sacrificing

01:05:08.040 so much

01:05:09.040 for our

01:05:09.620 freedom

01:05:10.080 and I'm

01:05:14.120 calling on you

01:05:15.040 today

01:05:15.700 don't put them

01:05:17.260 to shame

01:05:17.980 don't waste

01:05:19.400 what they did

01:05:20.440 we have

01:05:21.640 guaranteed rights

01:05:23.140 in this country

01:05:24.280 we are putting

01:05:32.020 chapters across

01:05:33.240 the nation

01:05:33.920 we are going

01:05:35.320 to be in every

01:05:36.040 town

01:05:36.560 and every city

01:05:37.800 and we are

01:05:39.160 going to build

01:05:39.820 communities

01:05:40.520 within these

01:05:41.160 communities

01:05:41.680 of life-minded

01:05:42.600 people

01:05:43.100 who are actually

01:05:44.120 going to care

01:05:44.760 for one another

01:05:45.500 again and love

01:05:46.340 on each other

01:05:46.960 and give each

01:05:48.020 other the help

01:05:48.700 when they're down

01:05:49.360 we are going

01:05:51.180 to use

01:05:51.860 the teams

01:05:53.100 and the people

01:05:53.680 that build

01:05:54.240 within chapters

01:05:55.060 to support

01:05:56.060 our businesses

01:05:56.860 the government's

01:05:59.020 actions are

01:05:59.800 completely

01:06:00.680 100%

01:06:02.420 unlawful

01:06:03.600 judgment

01:06:05.040 will again

01:06:06.380 be found

01:06:06.900 on justice

01:06:07.640 and those

01:06:09.140 with virtuous

01:06:10.180 hearts

01:06:10.720 will pursue it

01:06:11.840 you have

01:06:13.500 a virtuous

01:06:14.160 heart

01:06:14.680 if you are

01:06:15.240 here today

01:06:16.080 pursuing

01:06:16.820 freedom

01:06:17.820 and righteousness

01:06:18.960 and then verse

01:06:21.360 23 comes along

01:06:22.860 with a promise

01:06:23.780 God says

01:06:25.720 he will turn

01:06:26.940 the sins

01:06:27.720 of evil people

01:06:28.840 back on them

01:06:29.940 he will destroy

01:06:32.240 them

01:06:32.800 for their sins

01:06:34.460 I take great

01:06:37.140 comfort in that

01:06:38.120 because I serve

01:06:39.880 a mighty

01:06:40.740 living God

01:06:41.920 who has allowed

01:06:43.580 us

01:06:44.080 to go through

01:06:45.600 this season

01:06:46.460 of discomfort

01:06:47.440 because we as a

01:06:48.680 nation

01:06:49.240 have turned

01:06:50.220 our backs

01:06:50.780 on him

01:06:51.440 and we need

01:06:52.800 to get right

01:06:53.780 so I am just

01:06:55.860 going to thank you

01:06:56.860 so much

01:06:57.800 I'm going to say

01:06:59.260 God bless you

01:07:00.340 and God bless

01:07:01.580 Canada

01:07:02.140 God blessd

01:07:03.460 upon him

01:07:04.160 God Christ

01:07:04.560 to thank

01:07:11.120 God bless

01:07:13.980 God bless

01:07:14.820 God bless

01:07:18.980 God bless

01:07:19.060 him

01:07:19.520 God bless

01:07:19.540 God bless

01:07:19.760 God bless

01:07:21.080 God Touch

01:07:21.880 God bless

01:07:22.180 God bless

01:07:22.940 God bless

01:07:23.440 God bless

01:07:26.280 God bless

01:07:28.340 God bless

01:07:29.000 God bless

01:07:31.040 Thank you.

01:08:01.040 Thank you.

Action4Canada - August 21, 2025

Homeschooling Updates and Warnings with Doris Livingstone and Peter Stock Aug. 20, 2025

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