Action4Canada - Homeschooling vs Public⧸Private Education With Tanya Gaw & David Hunt

00:00:00.000 They're taking Europe backwards.

00:00:01.240 And Winston Churchill, if I quoted him,

00:00:02.920 said that Islam has the power 1.00

00:00:04.720 to bring Europe back to the dark age. 0.80

00:00:06.760 Individual Muslims can show great traits, yeah? 0.91

00:00:09.520 But Islam will always bring society backwards. 1.00

00:00:12.320 Do you want your society to go backwards

00:00:13.580 or do you want it to go forward?

00:00:14.780 Do you want to live in fear?

00:00:15.940 Do you want your daughters to be able

00:00:17.080 to walk safely down the street?

00:00:18.760 Because if you do, you've got to man up.

00:00:20.460 You've got to man up and the time

00:00:21.400 for remaining silence is gone.

00:00:23.020 Time to speak up about it.

00:00:24.220 And no one's asking anyone to go to war.

00:00:25.820 I keep saying, no one's asking you to go to war.

00:00:27.920 We're just asking you to talk.

00:00:29.240 Speak about it.

00:00:29.760 Make sure everyone's educated.

00:00:30.680 Make sure everyone knows.

00:00:31.640 Make sure your politicians understand

00:00:32.880 you're upset and you're not having any.

00:00:34.500 Stop bringing Islamic immigration into our countries. 1.00

00:00:36.920 Close the borders. 0.98

00:00:37.660 We've had enough.

00:00:38.640 We don't.

00:00:38.780 That's it.

00:00:39.360 No point should we be minorities in our own country. 0.82

00:00:42.240 Look at London.

00:00:43.800 London's 35% English now.

00:00:45.700 35% white.

00:00:47.800 That's never coming back. 0.83

00:00:48.820 They elected a Muslim mayor.

00:00:51.580 And so this is what I've been trying to tell Canadians

00:00:53.620 is that we've got to turn this around.

00:00:56.760 If I, as a white Christian woman,

00:00:57.980 can't go and sit in legislation or in cabinet

00:01:00.340 in any of these third world countries

00:01:03.460 or even maybe not third world developed totalitarian nations,

00:01:09.140 then why are we being so gullible

00:01:11.640 to believe that it is intolerant for us to say,

00:01:14.820 no, you can't sit in government.

00:01:16.380 You don't align with our values.

00:01:17.800 And that when you come to Canada,

00:01:19.300 you must swear, become a Canadian citizen.

00:01:22.040 You must swear an oath on a Bible 0.92

00:01:23.200 because they threw that out.

00:01:24.380 You can swear an oath on a Koran 1.00

00:01:25.980 when you come to Canada and become a citizen.

00:01:28.820 And yeah, we're losing it.

00:01:31.300 And they need to hear what we're saying

00:01:33.240 is we have a right and a duty to defend our borders.

00:01:36.620 I'm so pleased to introduce tonight's special guest speaker.

00:01:44.700 David Hunt is the research director

00:01:46.740 for the Aristotle Foundation for Public Policy Canada,

00:01:50.260 whose mission is to champion reason, democracy,

00:01:53.580 and civilization so that all can participate

00:01:56.820 in a free, flourishing Canada.

00:01:59.720 David has experience as an entrepreneur,

00:02:02.740 business consultant,

00:02:03.540 and as a director of education programs.

00:02:07.180 He has published over a dozen peer-reviewed research studies,

00:02:10.880 written columns,

00:02:12.060 hosted forums on education,

00:02:14.180 given numerous speeches on education-related topics,

00:02:18.840 including the benefits of school choice.

00:02:21.300 And he has been widely interviewed by the media

00:02:23.980 over the past decade.

00:02:26.280 In addition, three of David's research papers

00:02:28.920 have been submitted as evidence

00:02:30.600 and or referenced by experts in court or court submissions,

00:02:34.680 including the Supreme Court of Canada.

00:02:37.960 Tonight, we're thrilled that David is joining us

00:02:40.420 to discuss the latest comprehensive research

00:02:42.980 and statistics comparing homeschooling,

00:02:46.040 private schools, and public schools.

00:02:48.480 Will you all please help me welcome David Hunt.

00:02:52.060 David, thank you for joining us

00:02:53.620 and welcome to the Empower Hour.

00:02:56.660 Yeah, I suppose quite the intro.

00:02:59.120 Thank you for having me.

00:03:00.080 Very honoured to be here.

00:03:02.080 Thank you, Heather.

00:03:03.220 David, it's so good to have you on.

00:03:04.860 I've been really looking forward to the show.

00:03:07.900 And I am finding that the timing is actually very good.

00:03:11.300 It's June.

00:03:13.080 Children are just coming out of school for the year

00:03:15.520 and our youth in high school and middle school.

00:03:18.720 And parents are really starting to catch on

00:03:20.980 and become educated of what's happening

00:03:23.720 within not only the public education system,

00:03:27.320 but unfortunately many of the private,

00:03:29.980 even Christian schools, Christian and Catholic schools.

00:03:32.940 And so I'm really hoping that people

00:03:35.240 will get out their pen and paper,

00:03:36.980 that they're going to take notes tonight,

00:03:38.880 that they're going to listen very carefully

00:03:40.620 to your presentation,

00:03:41.680 and then weigh whether or not

00:03:44.380 where the best place is to put their children in education.

00:03:47.420 Because it is a 911 emergency

00:03:50.700 going on in our school system right now.

00:03:53.680 And parents either need to,

00:03:55.560 if they can't take their children out

00:03:57.840 and they have to keep them in the system,

00:04:00.140 then they need to know how to have conversations

00:04:02.180 with their children.

00:04:03.220 They need to educate them

00:04:04.460 and they need to equip them

00:04:06.420 in how to deal with this toxic environment.

00:04:09.920 I'm not saying that all teachers are bad.

00:04:11.680 You're probably going to give us stats on that.

00:04:13.820 There's a lot of really great teachers

00:04:15.440 out there holding the line.

00:04:16.440 So anyways, thank you for being on the show tonight.

00:04:20.520 Hey, thank you for having me.

00:04:22.340 So glad to be here.

00:04:24.520 Should I just jump right into the presentation

00:04:26.560 or how do you want to do this?

00:04:28.400 I was going to say, let's get started.

00:04:30.600 Yeah, it's going to be about a 30 to 40 minute presentation.

00:04:33.760 And if anybody has any questions,

00:04:35.400 please make sure you put them in the Q&A.

00:04:37.340 If you're watching on social media,

00:04:40.320 find out, get the registration.

00:04:42.300 It's on our homepage and join us

00:04:44.460 so that you can be part of the conversation.

00:04:46.440 All right, thanks.

00:04:47.240 Thanks so much, David.

00:04:49.120 All right.

00:04:49.800 Now I just got to figure out,

00:04:51.120 I did this right in the practice.

00:04:54.340 Let's see if I can figure it out now.

00:04:56.280 There we go.

00:04:57.180 Okay, we're golden.

00:04:59.600 So thank you so much for having me.

00:05:01.680 I really, really appreciate it.

00:05:03.240 So the organization I'm with

00:05:04.800 is the Aristotle Foundation for Public Policy.

00:05:07.580 And what we focus on, as was mentioned,

00:05:10.360 reason, democracy, and civilization.

00:05:13.040 And really where our proof of concept,

00:05:16.360 if you will, was this book right here,

00:05:18.920 the 1867 Project.

00:05:21.200 And it's been a bestseller.

00:05:24.420 It's available on Amazon.

00:05:26.160 And really the question being,

00:05:27.720 should Canada be cherished or canceled?

00:05:31.980 And of course, we believe it should be cherished.

00:05:33.360 We've done a number of studies.

00:05:34.560 We're a pretty new think tank.

00:05:36.660 But in the little bit of time

00:05:39.300 that we've been operating,

00:05:40.540 done stuff on DEI, systemic racism,

00:05:43.800 some of the questions around the Constitution,

00:05:47.360 of course, the October 7th attacks

00:05:49.820 and the response by various organizations to that,

00:05:52.300 some issues with the Toronto District School Board,

00:05:54.980 poverty and race.

00:05:56.400 And of course, we'll have lots coming down

00:05:58.000 the pipe with education.

00:06:00.400 But what we're taking on is we're using data,

00:06:03.680 grounding arguments in economic reality,

00:06:07.060 but also being grounded in history

00:06:09.580 in terms of pushing back

00:06:11.800 against the craziest narratives

00:06:13.320 that we're facing right now as a society.

00:06:15.860 And how do we bring reason back

00:06:18.820 into the conversation

00:06:19.660 and combat anti-reality ideas?

00:06:22.280 And most certainly, education is a key area

00:06:25.460 where anti-reality presently dominates

00:06:27.740 much of the landscape.

00:06:29.660 So what I'm going to focus on here

00:06:31.440 is the evidence around homeschooling.

00:06:34.040 Much of the research I'm going to pull,

00:06:35.620 frankly, the overwhelming majority

00:06:36.860 is from work I did at a previous think tank,

00:06:38.660 which is also an excellent organization.

00:06:40.740 CARDUS, C-A-R-D-U-S, great organization.

00:06:44.040 They do really good research.

00:06:45.420 So my agenda, there's quite a bit

00:06:50.040 we're going to cover.

00:06:51.480 So yeah, put on your seatbelts

00:06:54.840 or whatever metaphor you want to use.

00:06:57.000 We're going to cover a lot of ground,

00:06:58.680 specifically I have four questions

00:06:59.920 I want to dive into.

00:07:01.280 So who has the greatest impact on students?

00:07:05.140 And in other words,

00:07:06.400 where should education start from?

00:07:09.260 If we look at homeschooling

00:07:10.740 and compare it to the various other types

00:07:13.920 of schooling, of which there are many,

00:07:15.680 what are those outcomes

00:07:16.920 and how do they compare to others?

00:07:19.360 A new area of research

00:07:22.020 that very few have covered

00:07:24.360 and a new space we've carved out

00:07:26.260 is the importance of fit.

00:07:27.860 And how much does that play

00:07:29.520 into education outcomes?

00:07:31.500 And of course, I believe

00:07:32.160 that speaks strongly to homeschooling.

00:07:34.200 And then lastly, given all of this,

00:07:37.040 how do we then talk to our neighbors

00:07:38.540 and family and friends

00:07:40.440 and even strangers about education,

00:07:43.600 whether it be homeschooling,

00:07:44.520 whether it be Christian ed

00:07:45.420 or the education system writ large?

00:07:48.300 So given all of that, opening question,

00:07:50.840 who has the biggest influence

00:07:53.220 on students and dare I say, by far?

00:07:57.700 Because we don't have a crowd in front of us

00:08:00.020 where I can pull answers

00:08:00.880 from the crowd easily.

00:08:02.560 I'm just going to jump right to the answer.

00:08:04.520 So it is parents.

00:08:07.960 And it's interesting,

00:08:08.940 depending on what audience you present to,

00:08:11.660 some audiences really struggle

00:08:14.860 to arrive at the correct answer for this one.

00:08:16.900 Other audiences,

00:08:17.680 especially homeschool audiences,

00:08:18.620 right away are like parents, parents, parents.

00:08:19.980 And there are so many studies

00:08:22.340 that point to this,

00:08:23.440 whether quantitative studies

00:08:24.480 or qualitative studies.

00:08:25.980 But my favorite is this study

00:08:28.280 by Ludger Vossman.

00:08:30.520 It was at the University of Munich.

00:08:31.620 He wrote this piece for a journal

00:08:33.520 at Harvard University.

00:08:35.180 And he was looking at a data set

00:08:37.040 with hundreds of thousands of students

00:08:39.400 representing a sample

00:08:40.440 with dozens and dozens of countries

00:08:43.000 included in it

00:08:44.020 and comparing on a wide variety of variables

00:08:49.480 why do certain jurisdictions

00:08:51.680 perform differently than others?

00:08:53.940 And as he was going through it,

00:08:55.520 he was not looking for

00:08:57.040 what you and I are talking about

00:08:58.300 here tonight at all.

00:08:59.620 That was not the motivation

00:09:00.480 of the research.

00:09:01.520 But as he dove into the data,

00:09:04.200 it became very, very clear

00:09:06.160 that parents are by far

00:09:08.280 the most important factor

00:09:09.440 when it comes to education.

00:09:10.840 And as an economist,

00:09:12.100 of course, economists are always looking

00:09:13.340 for some hard measures,

00:09:14.840 some quantitative metric.

00:09:15.860 So the proxy that he used

00:09:19.500 to tease out,

00:09:21.160 to be able to predict

00:09:22.460 the impact that parents have

00:09:24.140 was the number of books in the home.

00:09:26.540 So a household that has

00:09:28.260 at least 200 books

00:09:29.680 or more than 200 books

00:09:31.780 that is not a perfect predictor,

00:09:34.860 but it's almost a perfect predictor

00:09:36.840 of the children in that home

00:09:39.580 being in the top quintile

00:09:41.020 of their class.

00:09:41.740 So the top 20% of their class,

00:09:43.360 a household that has 10 or fewer books,

00:09:45.040 it's almost a perfect predictor

00:09:46.760 that the kids in that home

00:09:47.920 will be in the bottom 20%,

00:09:49.200 the bottom quintile of their class.

00:09:51.240 So, of course,

00:09:52.140 an economist isn't going to

00:09:53.300 get into the nitty gritty.

00:09:55.680 They're not going to speculate

00:09:56.740 as to why that might be the case.

00:09:58.940 But I think you and I

00:09:59.460 can put two and two together

00:10:00.380 that books in the home

00:10:03.200 speak to illustrate

00:10:06.140 whether or not learning

00:10:07.860 is in the atmosphere.

00:10:09.500 And of course,

00:10:11.360 there's so much research

00:10:12.340 showing how important

00:10:13.000 reading to your kids is

00:10:15.100 and engaging with your children,

00:10:17.500 even if you're not

00:10:17.980 a homeschool family,

00:10:18.740 just how important that is.

00:10:19.720 So I start there

00:10:20.920 because mom and dad

00:10:21.920 are most important

00:10:23.220 when it comes to education.

00:10:24.700 And so you'll hear very often

00:10:26.700 opposition to homeschooling

00:10:27.840 around the fact

00:10:30.200 that mom and dad

00:10:30.660 aren't qualified to teach.

00:10:31.860 What have you been through?

00:10:33.740 An education college,

00:10:35.160 do you have a bachelor's

00:10:35.980 in education

00:10:36.480 or a master's or PhD?

00:10:37.500 And the reality is,

00:10:39.140 I'm sorry,

00:10:40.160 but mom and dad

00:10:41.140 are the experts

00:10:42.200 on their kids.

00:10:43.440 And even by the time

00:10:44.220 they get to kindergarten,

00:10:45.180 by the time a kid

00:10:45.820 is five years old,

00:10:46.860 mom and dad spent

00:10:47.740 enough hours

00:10:50.780 with that kid,

00:10:51.480 no teacher will ever

00:10:52.520 have that kind of insight

00:10:54.240 and intel

00:10:54.820 on who that child is.

00:10:56.020 So mom and dad

00:10:56.560 most certainly

00:10:57.080 are the experts.

00:10:58.700 But another

00:10:59.380 very important question,

00:11:01.620 the motivation

00:11:02.580 for homeschooling

00:11:03.420 is one thing.

00:11:04.160 But as kids grow up

00:11:06.800 and become adults,

00:11:08.340 who they become

00:11:09.040 as adults,

00:11:10.600 do those outcomes

00:11:11.460 match the motivations

00:11:13.160 mom and dad had

00:11:13.920 for whatever education

00:11:15.700 path they took

00:11:16.360 with their kids?

00:11:16.900 So it's a critical

00:11:17.600 research question.

00:11:18.740 And this is where

00:11:19.560 the CARDIS education program,

00:11:21.200 which I used to lead,

00:11:22.540 this is where CARDIS

00:11:23.520 cut their teeth

00:11:24.400 in the field of education.

00:11:26.300 And so well before my time,

00:11:27.920 going back to the mid-2000s,

00:11:29.600 they began investigating

00:11:30.740 whether there was appetite

00:11:32.720 to fund a research

00:11:34.140 question like this.

00:11:35.120 And in 2009,

00:11:36.080 they got it off the ground.

00:11:37.720 And in 2011,

00:11:39.080 the first CARDIS education

00:11:40.740 survey came out.

00:11:42.740 And its impact,

00:11:44.360 I don't think it's

00:11:44.960 an exaggeration

00:11:45.720 to say it was seismic.

00:11:46.900 You have seen

00:11:47.680 an entire shift,

00:11:48.860 for example,

00:11:49.240 in the Christian school landscape

00:11:50.720 since the CARDIS education survey

00:11:52.620 was first released.

00:11:53.760 And also in the homeschool space,

00:11:56.320 the defense made

00:11:58.500 for homeschooling

00:11:59.200 just by looking

00:11:59.700 at the data there,

00:12:00.620 you've got scholars

00:12:01.400 at places like

00:12:02.020 Harvard University,

00:12:03.140 Elizabeth Bartholet,

00:12:04.140 who does not believe

00:12:07.560 in most things

00:12:07.980 that you and I believe in,

00:12:09.360 who had to use

00:12:10.940 this research

00:12:11.940 simply because

00:12:13.000 it was the only thing

00:12:13.480 available that was

00:12:14.500 of this caliber.

00:12:15.500 So there have been

00:12:16.140 well over 40 studies produced.

00:12:17.800 There have been

00:12:18.140 eight surveys conducted.

00:12:20.460 If we look at the first seven,

00:12:21.720 the first seven

00:12:22.140 was a sample

00:12:22.800 of 18,001 respondents.

00:12:25.680 So what this is,

00:12:26.440 is this is a number

00:12:28.020 of papers

00:12:28.600 all with the primary

00:12:31.100 research question

00:12:31.860 being when students

00:12:33.780 grow up

00:12:34.280 and become adults

00:12:35.360 between the ages

00:12:35.920 of 24 to 39,

00:12:37.420 who are they as adults?

00:12:38.900 And looking at

00:12:40.020 a variety of outcomes,

00:12:41.380 do those outcomes

00:12:42.180 map what the motivations

00:12:43.160 were for the type

00:12:44.120 of schooling

00:12:44.500 that they,

00:12:46.400 the path that they went down

00:12:47.580 K to 12.

00:12:48.980 So looking at this data,

00:12:51.120 the way it's presented

00:12:52.320 can be intimidating

00:12:53.320 to those who aren't academics.

00:12:54.420 So let me break it down.

00:12:56.820 And I don't like to,

00:12:58.160 there are various ways

00:12:59.120 to present data,

00:13:00.240 but I want it to be

00:13:00.960 as accurate as possible here

00:13:02.180 so that we don't,

00:13:05.220 so that there's little room

00:13:06.180 for accusations

00:13:06.760 that we're cherry picking

00:13:07.640 or you're over speaking

00:13:12.660 or that we're misleading

00:13:16.520 in any way.

00:13:18.680 So what I have here

00:13:20.340 is where,

00:13:21.680 this is from

00:13:22.660 the most recent

00:13:23.760 representative Canadian data,

00:13:26.120 the CARDIS Education Survey

00:13:27.260 and what,

00:13:27.840 what the zero is

00:13:30.740 or the red line

00:13:31.420 that you'll see

00:13:31.900 throughout these various visuals

00:13:33.840 that I'll bring up.

00:13:35.040 The,

00:13:35.560 the red line,

00:13:36.580 the zero is

00:13:37.480 the public school outcome

00:13:39.140 because you have

00:13:40.300 to have a benchmark,

00:13:41.060 you have to have something

00:13:41.740 to compare outcomes to.

00:13:43.620 So we've set public school

00:13:44.980 as the outcomes

00:13:45.840 of those who did

00:13:46.540 either the overwhelming majority

00:13:47.720 of K to 12

00:13:48.520 most likely graduated

00:13:49.440 from public school.

00:13:51.060 That's your benchmark.

00:13:51.780 And then in terms

00:13:53.460 of the impact

00:13:55.020 that a school sector has,

00:13:57.300 what we're measuring here

00:13:58.280 and just bear with me

00:14:00.980 for about 30 seconds

00:14:01.780 as I explain this,

00:14:03.300 we're looking at

00:14:04.600 a standard deviation.

00:14:07.180 So what that is,

00:14:09.060 is how far away

00:14:10.120 are you from,

00:14:10.700 from the middle point?

00:14:11.920 So if you think

00:14:12.820 of a normal distribution,

00:14:14.140 a normal bell curve,

00:14:15.500 you'll have,

00:14:15.820 if you have a line

00:14:16.400 in the middle,

00:14:16.840 that's the middle point,

00:14:18.240 approximately two thirds

00:14:19.920 around that.

00:14:21.140 So, so give a third

00:14:22.800 each side,

00:14:23.340 the big hump

00:14:23.940 of a normal distribution curve,

00:14:25.640 that's your quote unquote

00:14:26.580 average.

00:14:27.460 So what a standard deviation

00:14:28.500 is,

00:14:29.420 is are you getting

00:14:30.840 to the outside

00:14:31.520 of that hump?

00:14:32.480 So are you,

00:14:33.540 are you moving beyond

00:14:34.560 where the overwhelming

00:14:35.580 majority sits

00:14:36.400 in a normal distribution?

00:14:37.920 So that's what

00:14:38.480 a standard deviation is.

00:14:39.480 So what you can then say

00:14:40.860 is that if there's

00:14:42.260 a standard,

00:14:42.980 if homeschoolers

00:14:44.080 are a full standard

00:14:44.880 deviation away

00:14:45.880 from the public school results,

00:14:47.500 you can say,

00:14:48.140 okay,

00:14:48.240 we have a statistically

00:14:49.100 significant finding.

00:14:50.520 Okay.

00:14:50.920 So why that matters

00:14:52.080 is for a lot

00:14:52.740 of these findings,

00:14:53.580 you'll find not

00:14:54.420 one standard deviation,

00:14:56.020 but two and even

00:14:57.240 three standard deviations.

00:14:59.040 So the effect

00:14:59.760 that's there

00:15:00.480 is beyond extraordinary.

00:15:02.400 Now,

00:15:02.540 not for,

00:15:02.880 not for everything,

00:15:03.820 but there were,

00:15:04.240 there are a few things

00:15:04.940 where you will see

00:15:06.000 quote unquote

00:15:06.920 off the charts results.

00:15:09.040 So that,

00:15:09.860 that's important.

00:15:10.580 And then one other thing

00:15:11.240 to look at

00:15:11.780 is you'll see these,

00:15:12.520 these blue dots

00:15:13.460 versus the red

00:15:15.460 or brown dot.

00:15:16.580 So there,

00:15:17.940 there's the raw score

00:15:19.100 and then there are

00:15:20.180 about 39 variables

00:15:21.680 that we control for

00:15:23.000 to isolate

00:15:23.860 for the school sector effect.

00:15:25.300 Cause,

00:15:25.720 cause you want to be

00:15:26.420 as best as we possibly can.

00:15:28.380 We want to be able

00:15:29.120 to say homeschooling

00:15:30.700 or,

00:15:31.080 or Christian schooling

00:15:32.000 or,

00:15:32.280 or,

00:15:32.820 you know,

00:15:33.440 elite private schooling,

00:15:34.260 whatever the school sector

00:15:36.240 in and of itself

00:15:37.380 had an effect.

00:15:38.080 So,

00:15:38.360 so take,

00:15:39.260 take two,

00:15:39.820 two families

00:15:40.280 that are near identical

00:15:41.140 in every way,

00:15:41.640 go to the same church,

00:15:42.340 same amount of kids,

00:15:43.400 same upbringing,

00:15:44.180 Hey,

00:15:44.400 maybe they're even related.

00:15:46.580 Uh,

00:15:47.080 they're cousins.

00:15:48.140 One went to Christian school

00:15:49.220 when it went to homeschool.

00:15:50.880 We want to be able to see

00:15:52.240 did the school sector

00:15:53.160 in and of itself

00:15:53.820 have an effect.

00:15:54.440 So all that to say,

00:15:56.600 if we look at

00:15:58.620 religious homeschoolers

00:16:00.160 and you'll see this,

00:16:01.100 there's two,

00:16:01.540 uh,

00:16:02.280 lines for homeschool.

00:16:03.260 They're non-religious 1.00

00:16:03.980 homeschoolers

00:16:04.620 and religious homeschoolers.

00:16:06.260 If we look at

00:16:06.620 religious homeschoolers

00:16:07.660 in terms of as adults

00:16:09.140 between the age of 24 to 39,

00:16:11.020 when you had to make

00:16:12.700 a moral decision,

00:16:13.900 did you turn to God

00:16:14.900 or turn to the scripture?

00:16:18.160 The raw score

00:16:19.180 for religious homeschoolers

00:16:20.580 is beyond

00:16:21.840 two and a half

00:16:22.360 standard deviations.

00:16:23.400 As soon as we put

00:16:24.040 controls in place,

00:16:25.300 you're still,

00:16:26.340 you're just shy

00:16:27.340 of two standard deviations,

00:16:30.240 meaning

00:16:30.740 the likelihood

00:16:32.780 that as an adult,

00:16:33.960 uh,

00:16:35.320 a homeschool,

00:16:36.420 a homeschool,

00:16:36.900 someone who was,

00:16:37.400 who was in a religious family

00:16:38.280 as a homeschooler,

00:16:39.160 it's,

00:16:40.160 it's not a little bit

00:16:41.280 more likely.

00:16:42.820 It's a lot,

00:16:43.660 a lot,

00:16:44.080 a lot more likely

00:16:45.020 that as adults,

00:16:45.780 they're going to turn

00:16:46.320 to God or scripture.

00:16:47.600 And now,

00:16:48.100 if we look at confidence,

00:16:49.160 uh,

00:16:49.600 in,

00:16:49.780 in your religion,

00:16:51.220 this one's that story,

00:16:52.560 it's hard to see that

00:16:53.460 there's a decimal there.

00:16:54.400 So that's not

00:16:55.020 at a standard deviation,

00:16:55.960 but they are,

00:16:57.280 are more likely

00:16:57.960 to be confident religion

00:16:58.780 compared to say

00:17:00.140 public schoolers.

00:17:01.200 Uh,

00:17:01.720 and then were you prepared?

00:17:04.000 Did schooling prepare you

00:17:05.480 for vital religious

00:17:06.800 and or spiritual life

00:17:07.920 as an adult?

00:17:09.460 Uh,

00:17:09.700 compared to public schoolers,

00:17:11.060 the most likely

00:17:11.880 to answer that yes,

00:17:13.280 they were prepared

00:17:14.120 for,

00:17:14.760 for life as an adult

00:17:15.800 in a spiritual

00:17:16.420 or religious sense,

00:17:17.400 the most likely

00:17:17.980 to respond positively

00:17:18.920 to that,

00:17:19.560 uh,

00:17:20.080 were the religious

00:17:20.560 homeschoolers

00:17:21.120 and followed closely

00:17:21.960 by,

00:17:22.280 uh,

00:17:22.700 your Christian school grads.

00:17:24.200 Okay,

00:17:24.400 what about an obligation

00:17:25.300 to regularly practice

00:17:26.520 spiritual disciplines

00:17:27.400 such as,

00:17:28.000 as,

00:17:28.500 as prayer

00:17:29.020 or reading scripture?

00:17:30.120 With the raw effect,

00:17:31.440 you're beyond

00:17:31.940 two standard deviations.

00:17:33.360 Once you put controls

00:17:34.140 in place,

00:17:34.760 you're still at a full

00:17:35.920 standard deviation

00:17:36.880 and the most likely

00:17:37.620 of any school,

00:17:38.700 school cohort,

00:17:39.680 um,

00:17:40.580 to,

00:17:40.820 to agree with that statement.

00:17:41.740 Again,

00:17:42.200 meaning that homeschooling

00:17:43.540 in and of itself,

00:17:44.640 um,

00:17:45.480 had a statistically

00:17:46.300 significant effect.

00:17:48.300 Uh,

00:17:48.680 you have an obligation

00:17:49.320 to church,

00:17:49.940 the most likely

00:17:50.800 to respond,

00:17:51.500 again,

00:17:51.660 of the religious

00:17:52.120 homeschoolers

00:17:52.640 and a full standard

00:17:53.320 deviation after

00:17:54.280 controls,

00:17:55.440 um,

00:17:55.800 likelihood to attend

00:17:56.880 religious services

00:17:57.640 in terms of how

00:17:58.780 frequently do you

00:17:59.520 go to church.

00:18:00.600 Um,

00:18:01.040 you're,

00:18:01.240 they're on par

00:18:02.020 with the independent,

00:18:02.840 uh,

00:18:03.300 Catholic schoolers,

00:18:04.140 but still a full

00:18:05.060 standard deviation

00:18:05.860 and when you remove

00:18:07.320 the controls,

00:18:07.920 um,

00:18:08.620 they're,

00:18:08.840 they're definitely

00:18:09.300 the most likely

00:18:10.000 to respond to that.

00:18:11.480 Obligation to accept,

00:18:12.360 uh,

00:18:13.120 authority of your

00:18:13.980 church leadership.

00:18:14.600 Uh,

00:18:15.000 if there is authority

00:18:15.640 in your church,

00:18:16.700 again,

00:18:17.940 uh,

00:18:18.260 almost a full standard

00:18:19.280 deviation there.

00:18:20.120 Interesting that the

00:18:21.460 non-religious

00:18:23.340 homeschoolers,

00:18:24.020 interesting how they

00:18:24.540 responded.

00:18:25.360 So it'd be interesting

00:18:25.860 to see how many of

00:18:26.460 them have become,

00:18:26.900 uh,

00:18:27.240 Christians,

00:18:27.680 uh,

00:18:27.960 as adults.

00:18:28.900 That's data we don't

00:18:29.500 have,

00:18:29.820 but that would be

00:18:30.300 interesting to follow

00:18:30.920 up on.

00:18:31.740 Uh,

00:18:31.900 obligation to obey,

00:18:32.880 uh,

00:18:33.400 church or church

00:18:33.860 authority.

00:18:34.540 Again,

00:18:34.900 the most likely

00:18:35.380 to respond positively

00:18:36.200 in a full standard

00:18:36.840 deviation.

00:18:38.400 Obligation to tithe,

00:18:39.760 um,

00:18:40.340 not quite as,

00:18:41.080 as heavy as,

00:18:41.840 as,

00:18:42.160 as,

00:18:42.480 as the Christian

00:18:43.140 school grads,

00:18:43.740 but that's,

00:18:44.420 that's within

00:18:44.920 margin of error.

00:18:45.780 So,

00:18:46.340 again,

00:18:46.580 pretty much a full

00:18:47.360 standard deviation.

00:18:48.640 Uh,

00:18:50.120 whether you believe

00:18:51.260 in tithing,

00:18:52.400 do you actually

00:18:53.080 tithe,

00:18:53.440 uh,

00:18:54.280 and here,

00:18:54.940 this,

00:18:55.180 this,

00:18:55.460 this school,

00:18:56.420 uh,

00:18:57.040 sector effect

00:18:57.880 doesn't really play

00:18:58.660 in,

00:18:59.000 but with the raw

00:18:59.780 fact you're at a

00:19:00.340 full standard

00:19:00.760 deviation.

00:19:02.100 Okay,

00:19:02.660 volunteer hours.

00:19:03.620 And again,

00:19:03.820 this is as an

00:19:04.520 adult,

00:19:04.880 so not a,

00:19:05.540 not as,

00:19:06.080 as a student,

00:19:06.760 but as an adult,

00:19:07.680 do you volunteer

00:19:08.500 at your church?

00:19:09.940 Again,

00:19:10.400 almost a full standard

00:19:11.320 deviation there.

00:19:12.820 Uh,

00:19:13.080 do you play a

00:19:13.540 leadership role?

00:19:14.520 Um,

00:19:15.040 the,

00:19:15.240 the second most likely

00:19:16.100 respond positively

00:19:16.880 there,

00:19:17.180 the independent

00:19:17.520 Catholic schoolers

00:19:18.240 are,

00:19:18.440 are,

00:19:18.740 are,

00:19:19.240 are,

00:19:19.500 are up on that

00:19:20.380 one,

00:19:21.020 your total

00:19:21.680 involvement,

00:19:22.380 uh,

00:19:22.900 with your,

00:19:23.460 your congregation.

00:19:24.380 Now that one

00:19:24.800 is interesting.

00:19:25.540 There's no difference

00:19:26.040 between the home

00:19:26.760 school grads,

00:19:27.680 uh,

00:19:28.300 and the post school

00:19:28.780 grads in terms of

00:19:29.360 school sector effect.

00:19:30.260 So that's,

00:19:30.720 there's gonna be a

00:19:31.100 variety of metrics

00:19:31.920 that are plugged

00:19:32.660 in there.

00:19:33.160 And this one's

00:19:33.880 super interesting,

00:19:34.880 less likely to do

00:19:35.760 missions,

00:19:36.100 uh,

00:19:36.640 or social service

00:19:37.440 trips.

00:19:37.880 And I'm going to

00:19:38.660 speculate here.

00:19:39.400 This is not from

00:19:39.960 the data.

00:19:40.360 This is David Hunt's

00:19:41.000 opinion,

00:19:41.340 but I'm going to

00:19:42.180 speculate that our,

00:19:44.620 my generation,

00:19:45.420 because that's who's

00:19:45.820 being surveyed here.

00:19:47.580 My generation,

00:19:48.420 we did so many

00:19:49.560 short-term missions

00:19:50.500 and whatnot.

00:19:51.460 And I think many of

00:19:52.320 us came to the

00:19:52.740 conclusion,

00:19:53.200 myself included,

00:19:54.020 on the mission field

00:19:54.800 that,

00:19:55.220 uh,

00:19:55.700 Africa doesn't need 1.00

00:19:56.640 more,

00:19:57.000 uh,

00:19:57.220 Canadian evangelists.

00:19:58.300 Canada needs a

00:19:59.120 whole lot more

00:19:59.540 African evangelists.

00:20:01.240 And,

00:20:01.760 and I would

00:20:02.460 speculate that's

00:20:03.200 actually what's going

00:20:03.660 on here.

00:20:04.200 Uh,

00:20:04.360 Canada is in need

00:20:05.460 of missionaries.

00:20:06.820 Uh,

00:20:07.440 most of the third

00:20:08.680 world is not,

00:20:09.580 uh,

00:20:10.200 comparatively speaking.

00:20:11.420 And again,

00:20:11.620 that's my opinion.

00:20:12.220 Um,

00:20:12.740 but I,

00:20:13.040 I,

00:20:13.300 I would speculate

00:20:14.160 that's what's going

00:20:14.720 on with this data.

00:20:16.400 Okay.

00:20:17.200 Um,

00:20:17.940 as an adult,

00:20:18.500 I try to strengthen

00:20:19.220 my relationship with

00:20:20.100 God.

00:20:20.560 Again,

00:20:21.060 who's the most likely

00:20:22.180 to agree with that

00:20:23.080 statement as an adult?

00:20:24.180 Those who were

00:20:25.000 homeschoolers.

00:20:26.120 Uh,

00:20:26.520 and again,

00:20:26.920 you're almost a full

00:20:27.880 standard deviation

00:20:28.680 after controls,

00:20:29.520 which means homeschooling

00:20:30.860 in and of itself

00:20:31.420 had that effect.

00:20:32.360 Okay.

00:20:32.820 As an adult,

00:20:33.780 have you had a moment

00:20:34.580 where you turned to

00:20:35.580 God?

00:20:35.880 Was there a turning

00:20:36.440 point in your life

00:20:37.200 as an adult?

00:20:38.060 Now they're not the

00:20:38.820 most likely to agree

00:20:39.700 with that,

00:20:40.000 but still you're at

00:20:40.740 almost a full standard

00:20:41.700 deviation.

00:20:42.560 After controls.

00:20:44.360 Okay.

00:20:44.620 This is interesting.

00:20:45.520 Uh,

00:20:45.720 witnessing and sharing

00:20:46.420 your faith,

00:20:47.140 uh,

00:20:47.340 with family and friends,

00:20:48.180 uh,

00:20:48.840 about half a deviation

00:20:50.140 after,

00:20:50.500 after controls.

00:20:51.800 What about sharing

00:20:52.580 your faith with

00:20:53.040 acquaintances and

00:20:53.680 strangers?

00:20:54.440 Eh,

00:20:54.640 not,

00:20:54.940 not quite a half

00:20:55.600 deviation,

00:20:56.340 but more likely

00:20:56.900 than the public

00:20:57.680 schoolers.

00:20:58.760 Um,

00:21:00.140 what else do we got

00:21:00.880 here?

00:21:01.180 Attending a small

00:21:01.800 group for spiritual

00:21:02.520 support,

00:21:03.060 discipleship,

00:21:03.620 prayer,

00:21:04.400 right on par with

00:21:05.080 independent Catholic

00:21:05.640 schoolers.

00:21:06.220 And again,

00:21:06.760 let me just,

00:21:07.400 cause I keep

00:21:07.700 referring to that

00:21:08.360 because in the

00:21:08.940 data set,

00:21:09.600 big difference between

00:21:10.600 independent Catholic

00:21:11.220 schools and

00:21:11.820 separate Catholic

00:21:12.380 schools,

00:21:12.740 if you're in the

00:21:13.020 provinces of

00:21:13.520 Alberta,

00:21:14.180 Saskatchewan,

00:21:14.780 and,

00:21:15.080 uh,

00:21:15.360 Ontario,

00:21:15.740 the,

00:21:16.480 the,

00:21:16.880 uh,

00:21:17.060 separate Catholic

00:21:17.540 schools or public

00:21:18.300 Catholic schools are

00:21:19.060 essentially nice public

00:21:20.260 schools.

00:21:20.660 There's very little

00:21:21.320 difference.

00:21:21.700 uh,

00:21:22.220 whereas the independent

00:21:23.220 Catholic schools,

00:21:24.100 there is,

00:21:24.560 they're very distinct,

00:21:25.720 not so much in BC,

00:21:26.760 because that's the only

00:21:27.200 option.

00:21:28.060 Um,

00:21:28.460 but in provinces like

00:21:29.240 Alberta,

00:21:29.640 Saskatchewan,

00:21:30.200 Ontario,

00:21:30.760 uh,

00:21:31.060 independent Catholic

00:21:31.580 schools tend to be

00:21:32.300 quite,

00:21:33.200 uh,

00:21:33.720 small,

00:21:34.200 low Orthodox and 0.53

00:21:34.980 quite faithful.

00:21:36.600 So do you read the

00:21:37.820 Bible by yourself alone?

00:21:39.200 Who's most likely to

00:21:40.060 respond positively?

00:21:41.460 Religious homeschoolers.

00:21:42.360 And again,

00:21:42.940 over a full standard

00:21:43.840 deviation after controls,

00:21:45.020 uh,

00:21:45.620 beyond scripture,

00:21:46.420 just reading,

00:21:47.020 um,

00:21:47.540 spiritual literature or

00:21:48.520 religious literature.

00:21:50.620 Again,

00:21:51.140 almost a full standard

00:21:51.960 deviation and the most

00:21:53.200 likely to respond

00:21:53.780 positively.

00:21:56.140 God,

00:21:56.760 did God call you?

00:21:57.780 So are there stands for

00:21:58.660 responded?

00:21:59.380 Did God call you to a

00:22:00.700 particular line of work?

00:22:03.000 Who's the most likely to

00:22:04.460 respond positively to that?

00:22:06.120 I get it's the religious 0.70

00:22:06.900 homeschoolers.

00:22:07.460 Now you,

00:22:07.960 you could argue you're

00:22:08.860 within the margin of error

00:22:09.900 with the Christian school

00:22:10.840 grads,

00:22:11.240 but look at that.

00:22:12.800 That's,

00:22:13.060 that's extraordinary.

00:22:14.600 Um,

00:22:14.940 do you as an adult have a

00:22:16.460 job that fulfills the

00:22:17.700 call of God on your

00:22:18.420 life?

00:22:19.340 Uh,

00:22:19.540 now you're,

00:22:20.120 you're right on par with,

00:22:21.060 with the other Christian 0.96

00:22:21.700 schools,

00:22:22.220 but still you're much more

00:22:23.420 likely than,

00:22:24.040 uh,

00:22:24.360 the pub school grads.

00:22:25.980 Did your school experience

00:22:27.720 prepare you for relationships?

00:22:29.560 So much for the argument

00:22:31.280 that religious,

00:22:32.340 that homeschoolers,

00:22:33.660 um,

00:22:34.640 are not properly socialized

00:22:36.600 and what we can get into

00:22:37.300 that more as,

00:22:38.040 as we go on.

00:22:39.000 But the,

00:22:39.740 the,

00:22:40.240 the ones,

00:22:40.940 uh,

00:22:41.220 the graduates who are most

00:22:42.360 likely to say that school

00:22:43.600 prepared them for

00:22:44.420 relationships are the

00:22:45.760 homeschool grads.

00:22:47.260 Okay.

00:22:47.660 Number of close names,

00:22:48.640 uh,

00:22:49.020 that you can provide.

00:22:49.900 This is an anomaly because

00:22:51.340 in the America data and,

00:22:52.820 and in all of our data sets

00:22:54.020 consistently,

00:22:54.800 uh,

00:22:55.520 homeschoolers are,

00:22:56.560 can provide quite a few

00:22:57.400 names in terms of close

00:22:58.240 ties.

00:22:58.760 This data set was an

00:22:59.880 anomaly.

00:23:00.460 What's quite interesting is,

00:23:01.740 is,

00:23:02.140 um,

00:23:02.440 in the States,

00:23:03.280 if you look at the data

00:23:04.920 set,

00:23:05.620 because we,

00:23:06.040 we would ask respondents to,

00:23:07.700 um,

00:23:08.320 uh,

00:23:08.620 write down any close

00:23:10.320 acquaintances that you have.

00:23:11.820 It'd be shocking how many

00:23:13.080 public school grads could not

00:23:14.600 even write down a single

00:23:15.580 name and you'd have homeschool

00:23:17.220 and Christian school grads who

00:23:18.480 could write down seven.

00:23:20.020 We don't,

00:23:20.280 we only allowed seven,

00:23:21.000 um,

00:23:21.560 slots and they could fill all

00:23:22.860 of them in no time.

00:23:23.680 Uh,

00:23:24.200 but then follow-up question is,

00:23:25.640 is,

00:23:25.980 is,

00:23:26.320 is what,

00:23:27.100 uh,

00:23:27.300 what ethnicity,

00:23:27.960 uh,

00:23:28.560 and,

00:23:28.700 and,

00:23:28.720 and a few other questions,

00:23:29.700 um,

00:23:30.600 are those close friends?

00:23:32.800 And what's interesting is in

00:23:33.780 America,

00:23:34.260 especially with all this

00:23:35.160 rhetoric around and racism

00:23:36.720 and whatnot,

00:23:37.800 well,

00:23:38.240 who are the most likely to

00:23:40.080 have a very close friend

00:23:41.860 that skin color is different

00:23:43.200 than theirs?

00:23:43.800 It's the whole school of the

00:23:45.080 Christian school grads,

00:23:46.200 right?

00:23:47.100 Because,

00:23:47.540 you know,

00:23:48.420 who,

00:23:48.660 who was formed in such a way

00:23:49.960 as to most,

00:23:50.800 especially not judge people,

00:23:52.500 but based on how they look,

00:23:53.520 but,

00:23:53.760 but,

00:23:54.100 but to,

00:23:55.200 to love those who,

00:23:55.920 you know,

00:23:56.440 who God puts in your path

00:23:57.840 is the Christians,

00:23:59.040 right?

00:23:59.320 So who are the most likely

00:24:00.420 to have close friends who

00:24:01.420 look different is the

00:24:02.380 Christians. 0.51

00:24:03.020 So I,

00:24:03.640 I find that's,

00:24:04.420 that's an interesting finding

00:24:05.240 and,

00:24:05.420 and this immediate data set

00:24:07.340 is an anomaly from the,

00:24:08.920 the much larger data set

00:24:09.920 than we have.

00:24:10.660 So in terms of who's the

00:24:12.640 most likely between the age

00:24:13.680 of 24 and 39 to be married,

00:24:16.260 this one,

00:24:17.020 I can confirm this data that

00:24:18.440 it's the Christian school

00:24:19.180 grads,

00:24:19.540 not the homeschoolers.

00:24:20.520 I went to Christian school

00:24:21.300 growing up and yes,

00:24:22.140 I did marry my high school

00:24:23.060 sweetheart,

00:24:23.600 although we weren't allowed

00:24:24.740 to have boyfriends,

00:24:25.520 girlfriend in our school.

00:24:26.440 At all.

00:24:26.780 It was not in the culture,

00:24:27.600 but that's just how it

00:24:28.200 worked out.

00:24:28.640 Anyways,

00:24:29.060 we're happily married

00:24:29.780 for 14 years in terms

00:24:31.460 of marital status.

00:24:33.680 There is a school sector

00:24:35.040 effect here where,

00:24:36.780 where the being more likely

00:24:39.760 to be married than being

00:24:41.020 divorced.

00:24:41.680 It's,

00:24:42.120 it's the homeschool grads,

00:24:43.400 religious homeschool grads,

00:24:44.700 marital satisfaction.

00:24:45.640 Interestingly,

00:24:46.080 it's the non-religious 1.00

00:24:46.740 homeschoolers or those who

00:24:48.020 had been non-religious

00:24:48.740 homeschoolers.

00:24:50.660 And,

00:24:51.120 and in terms of the likelihood

00:24:53.800 to be divorced,

00:24:54.900 this is actually very

00:24:55.620 interesting.

00:24:56.440 It's the homeschoolers and

00:24:57.540 the,

00:24:57.700 and the Christian school

00:24:58.580 grads who are the least

00:24:59.380 likely to have ever been

00:25:01.080 divorced.

00:25:01.960 Very interesting there.

00:25:03.300 So as an adult,

00:25:04.860 do you as a family eat

00:25:06.480 meals together?

00:25:08.420 Again,

00:25:09.000 you,

00:25:09.180 you have,

00:25:10.500 that's the,

00:25:12.480 you,

00:25:12.720 the strong results for the

00:25:14.080 homeschoolers.

00:25:15.080 The days that the family

00:25:16.580 prays together,

00:25:17.420 this is crazy.

00:25:18.200 The raw score,

00:25:20.460 the likelihood of a family

00:25:22.020 praying together.

00:25:23.060 If,

00:25:23.240 if the,

00:25:23.760 if at least one of the

00:25:24.600 parents was a homeschooler

00:25:25.960 growing up,

00:25:26.700 you're at three standard

00:25:28.240 deviations without controls

00:25:29.840 after controls.

00:25:31.140 The school sector effect

00:25:32.780 moves you to two standard

00:25:34.520 deviations.

00:25:35.580 So again,

00:25:35.840 if you think of a normal

00:25:36.500 distribution curve,

00:25:37.320 think of a hump,

00:25:38.180 you are way beyond that

00:25:39.380 and now into the tails.

00:25:41.080 So in terms of talking

00:25:42.220 about God as a family,

00:25:43.940 again,

00:25:44.280 almost two standard

00:25:45.380 deviations after controls,

00:25:47.240 reading the Bible together

00:25:48.480 as a family.

00:25:49.220 Now this one,

00:25:49.940 you,

00:25:50.500 you have some strong showing

00:25:51.640 for all the different

00:25:52.380 types of Christian schools.

00:25:53.480 But again,

00:25:53.820 the religious homeschoolers,

00:25:54.780 full standard deviation.

00:25:56.140 And then I believe this is

00:25:57.120 the last question I have

00:25:58.480 for this data set.

00:26:00.760 Satisfaction with family life,

00:26:01.920 again,

00:26:02.160 more likely than the public

00:26:02.980 schoolers and,

00:26:03.580 and right up there.

00:26:05.120 So in terms of the question,

00:26:08.740 do,

00:26:09.300 do the motivations

00:26:10.540 for homeschooling

00:26:11.400 match outcomes?

00:26:13.120 I think now,

00:26:13.680 again,

00:26:14.500 each family is going to have

00:26:15.380 a slightly different motivation,

00:26:16.500 but if roughly speaking,

00:26:18.120 your motivation as a parent

00:26:20.520 is you want your kids

00:26:21.380 to love the Lord,

00:26:22.660 to serve him

00:26:24.140 in whatever they're called to do.

00:26:25.940 And if they're called to family,

00:26:27.220 that they'd have a robust,

00:26:28.100 you know,

00:26:28.380 a family and healthy family life,

00:26:30.080 et cetera,

00:26:31.240 et cetera,

00:26:31.520 et cetera.

00:26:32.280 It's pretty clear from it,

00:26:33.520 from these results that,

00:26:34.320 yeah,

00:26:34.640 homeschooling delivers.

00:26:35.900 Now,

00:26:36.540 a follow-up question to that

00:26:37.940 is how good is a good fit?

00:26:40.620 How important is it?

00:26:42.280 The fit between home,

00:26:43.840 church,

00:26:44.080 and school.

00:26:45.480 And this is kind of a new argument

00:26:47.920 and new territory,

00:26:49.220 but,

00:26:49.300 but I,

00:26:49.940 I worked with Catherine

00:26:50.840 Bacolic on this.

00:26:51.900 She,

00:26:52.100 she did her PhD in economics

00:26:53.460 at Harvard

00:26:53.960 and,

00:26:55.220 and married a philosophy prof

00:26:56.920 there at Harvard.

00:26:57.500 Brilliant guy,

00:26:58.000 Michael Bacolic,

00:26:59.240 but brilliant,

00:27:00.280 brilliant powerhouse couple.

00:27:01.780 And,

00:27:02.220 and Catherine worked 1.00

00:27:03.420 with this gigantic data set

00:27:05.280 to,

00:27:06.220 to,

00:27:06.680 to tease out

00:27:07.800 if,

00:27:08.980 again,

00:27:09.180 the fit between

00:27:10.360 school and home

00:27:12.580 within a particular religion,

00:27:14.120 if that in and of itself

00:27:15.880 boosts reading and math scores.

00:27:18.400 So,

00:27:19.000 so let me say it this way.

00:27:20.820 If you have a Baptist kid 0.99

00:27:23.180 who,

00:27:23.600 who's in a faithful home

00:27:24.980 where,

00:27:25.240 where,

00:27:25.580 where Baptist theology

00:27:27.160 is permeates

00:27:28.160 through the entire house

00:27:29.020 and they take their faith seriously,

00:27:30.120 they go to a Baptist church on Sunday

00:27:31.480 and,

00:27:31.800 and probably Wednesday night services too

00:27:33.700 if they're Baptist

00:27:34.200 and they go to a Baptist school.

00:27:37.860 Well,

00:27:38.600 that student

00:27:40.420 is going to perform

00:27:42.680 significantly better

00:27:43.780 in,

00:27:44.780 in math

00:27:45.380 and in reading

00:27:46.220 than if they did not go

00:27:47.580 to a Baptist school.

00:27:48.480 So if you think of

00:27:49.220 on the homeschool front,

00:27:50.620 this is actually a very strong argument

00:27:52.240 for homeschool,

00:27:52.880 assuming that the,

00:27:53.740 the,

00:27:54.020 the,

00:27:54.200 the house

00:27:54.600 is,

00:27:56.280 is a healthy home

00:27:57.000 and,

00:27:57.220 and then there's a healthy atmosphere

00:27:58.440 and that,

00:27:59.080 that faith

00:28:00.100 is robust

00:28:01.020 where you are involved

00:28:02.660 in church,

00:28:03.180 where you're part

00:28:03.720 of the church community

00:28:04.760 and,

00:28:05.840 and that faith

00:28:06.360 is fully alive.

00:28:07.520 But if we actually look,

00:28:08.520 look at the data

00:28:09.200 and this,

00:28:10.740 it's,

00:28:12.120 it's,

00:28:12.280 it's a little bit academic.

00:28:14.420 So,

00:28:15.060 how about I skip

00:28:16.560 and what I'm going to do,

00:28:17.340 I'm going to explain it this way.

00:28:19.140 So again,

00:28:19.380 we're back to a normal distribution,

00:28:20.720 a bell curve.

00:28:21.680 This one isn't quite normal

00:28:22.700 because the,

00:28:23.060 the,

00:28:23.200 the bulk in the middle

00:28:23.800 should be a bit fatter.

00:28:25.540 But,

00:28:26.000 if we think about

00:28:27.560 percentile scores,

00:28:29.000 so moving you along

00:28:30.420 a distribution curve,

00:28:32.220 if a student

00:28:33.240 is within an average range,

00:28:36.280 what that fit

00:28:37.300 between home

00:28:38.740 and school,

00:28:39.960 that fit

00:28:41.280 in and of itself,

00:28:42.060 and again,

00:28:42.220 this is why

00:28:42.520 the religion piece matters

00:28:43.740 is because you're able

00:28:44.340 to then control

00:28:44.940 for everything.

00:28:46.960 It's,

00:28:47.320 it's a very clean,

00:28:48.080 clean way of measuring.

00:28:48.780 I won't get into all

00:28:49.460 the details

00:28:50.040 of the methodology,

00:28:51.160 but that fit

00:28:52.320 between home

00:28:52.840 and school,

00:28:53.460 if,

00:28:53.520 if that's,

00:28:53.940 if,

00:28:54.140 if,

00:28:54.420 if that fit is there,

00:28:55.780 you're going to move

00:28:56.300 a kid who's average

00:28:57.080 into well above average

00:28:57.980 territory.

00:28:58.680 Someone who's above average,

00:28:59.640 you're moving them

00:29:00.120 into exceptional territory.

00:29:01.820 And someone who's exceptional,

00:29:02.800 you're moving them

00:29:03.180 actually into genius territory

00:29:04.440 where very,

00:29:05.400 very,

00:29:05.600 very,

00:29:05.900 very few students

00:29:06.880 ever can even dream

00:29:08.460 of achieving.

00:29:09.760 And then the same

00:29:10.520 is in reverse.

00:29:11.240 So a student who's

00:29:12.160 the opposite of a genius,

00:29:13.260 whatever we call that

00:29:13.880 these days,

00:29:14.760 you're now moving them

00:29:15.900 into just below average,

00:29:18.260 which,

00:29:18.620 that's extraordinary.

00:29:19.720 Because if you think

00:29:20.520 of the correlation,

00:29:22.600 and I,

00:29:22.860 I know,

00:29:24.620 especially in Christian circles,

00:29:25.560 we don't like to focus

00:29:26.420 on academics

00:29:27.000 because we care

00:29:27.920 about character

00:29:28.420 and love,

00:29:28.960 loving the Lord

00:29:29.600 and loving neighbor.

00:29:30.320 Of course,

00:29:30.840 like our priorities

00:29:31.700 are,

00:29:32.020 you know,

00:29:32.180 God first,

00:29:32.740 of course,

00:29:33.460 love your neighbor,

00:29:34.080 of course.

00:29:35.300 But academic results

00:29:36.480 do matter

00:29:37.300 because I can present

00:29:39.080 you study after study

00:29:39.840 after study

00:29:40.260 after study

00:29:40.660 after study

00:29:41.200 showing the correlation

00:29:42.520 between strong

00:29:43.660 academic performance

00:29:44.780 and virtually

00:29:45.560 every desirable

00:29:47.160 outcome imaginable,

00:29:49.260 whether it be longevity,

00:29:50.620 whether it be marriage,

00:29:51.420 whether it be income,

00:29:52.520 whether it be satisfaction

00:29:53.340 in life,

00:29:54.140 whether it be citizenship,

00:29:55.300 and there's many ways

00:29:56.260 to measure

00:29:56.640 what citizenship is,

00:29:57.820 take almost

00:29:58.600 any desirable outcome.

00:30:00.420 It correlates

00:30:01.140 to strong academic performance,

00:30:02.400 not that you can't find

00:30:04.740 anomalies and anecdotes

00:30:06.540 and counterfactuals,

00:30:07.800 but we're talking

00:30:08.380 in the aggregate,

00:30:09.280 we're talking on average.

00:30:10.880 It does matter

00:30:11.920 whether or not

00:30:12.780 kids can read,

00:30:14.140 write,

00:30:15.000 and add,

00:30:16.100 subtract,

00:30:17.100 multiply,

00:30:17.980 what have you.

00:30:18.680 That does matter.

00:30:19.940 It really does.

00:30:22.060 So,

00:30:23.160 especially,

00:30:23.940 again,

00:30:24.180 if we're arguing

00:30:24.680 in the public square

00:30:25.420 and you have people

00:30:25.880 pushing back

00:30:26.460 against homeschooling

00:30:27.200 and say,

00:30:27.500 oh,

00:30:27.580 you shouldn't be

00:30:27.900 homeschooling your kids

00:30:28.620 because they're not

00:30:29.020 going to be properly educated,

00:30:30.780 well,

00:30:31.040 hold on a second.

00:30:32.440 If the fit

00:30:34.100 moves you

00:30:35.860 that much,

00:30:38.520 well,

00:30:38.720 that's a strong,

00:30:39.400 strong argument

00:30:40.000 for homeschooling

00:30:40.740 simply because,

00:30:42.280 again,

00:30:42.540 assuming it's

00:30:43.400 a healthy home,

00:30:45.020 you're going to have

00:30:46.160 that fit

00:30:46.520 because what's,

00:30:47.360 and assuming

00:30:48.100 that parents,

00:30:50.400 and again,

00:30:50.780 and these are

00:30:51.360 fair assumptions

00:30:51.980 because this is

00:30:53.020 the case

00:30:53.560 with the overwhelming

00:30:54.680 majority of homeschoolers,

00:30:56.500 that the curriculum

00:30:58.380 is something

00:30:59.120 that reinforces

00:31:00.680 what mom and dad

00:31:01.320 believe

00:31:01.640 and what your

00:31:02.700 church community

00:31:03.340 believes,

00:31:03.900 okay?

00:31:04.060 So all those things,

00:31:05.220 there should be

00:31:05.700 a congruence,

00:31:06.500 there should be

00:31:06.880 a comprehensiveness

00:31:07.800 where you're not,

00:31:10.080 you know,

00:31:10.320 it'd be very rare at home

00:31:11.320 that it doesn't have

00:31:12.380 that congruence,

00:31:12.840 okay?

00:31:13.100 So there are those

00:31:13.880 assumptions I'm

00:31:14.540 putting in place,

00:31:15.680 but I,

00:31:16.560 yeah,

00:31:16.940 I think that those

00:31:17.760 are fair,

00:31:18.320 very fair assumptions.

00:31:19.460 So given all of that

00:31:20.960 and given that

00:31:22.760 we know homeschooling

00:31:24.880 is going to lead

00:31:25.180 to desirable outcomes,

00:31:26.420 even on things

00:31:27.380 like academic performance

00:31:28.340 and what have you,

00:31:29.860 okay,

00:31:30.200 well,

00:31:30.380 how do we now

00:31:30.920 make the case publicly

00:31:32.480 in terms of defending

00:31:33.340 homeschooling,

00:31:34.460 specifically,

00:31:35.400 and Christian education

00:31:36.380 writ large?

00:31:38.340 And the way I think

00:31:39.740 to,

00:31:40.860 increasingly,

00:31:41.700 I'm of the opinion

00:31:43.320 that the way

00:31:44.280 to answer most

00:31:45.400 controversial questions

00:31:46.840 or loaded questions

00:31:48.300 is with a question.

00:31:49.900 And of course,

00:31:50.220 we see Jesus do that

00:31:50.940 with the Pharisees

00:31:51.420 all the time,

00:31:51.900 right?

00:31:52.120 The Pharisees throw 0.87

00:31:52.660 a question at him,

00:31:53.600 he responds with a question.

00:31:56.020 And I like to do that

00:31:58.360 with this one specifically.

00:31:59.700 So,

00:32:00.800 why do any of us

00:32:02.740 pay taxes for the education

00:32:04.140 of our neighbor's kids?

00:32:06.020 And again,

00:32:06.400 if we had,

00:32:07.180 if everyone was sitting

00:32:07.880 in front of me,

00:32:08.680 I'd solicit,

00:32:10.680 we'd have a Socratic dialogue

00:32:12.480 and I'd solicit

00:32:13.480 your response.

00:32:15.000 But let me just

00:32:15.620 cut to the chase.

00:32:16.840 The reason why

00:32:20.360 my property taxes

00:32:21.920 pay for the education

00:32:23.400 of a kid up the street

00:32:25.000 is because that kid's education

00:32:27.760 or the lack thereof

00:32:29.540 is going to have

00:32:30.620 a profound impact,

00:32:32.000 not just on that kid

00:32:33.040 and that kid's family,

00:32:34.140 but on me

00:32:34.980 and the entire neighborhood

00:32:36.060 and our entire society.

00:32:38.380 So,

00:32:39.000 whether or not

00:32:39.560 the public

00:32:39.940 should be funding education

00:32:41.120 is a totally different question

00:32:42.420 for another day.

00:32:43.660 But I think it is fair

00:32:45.520 to say that our society,

00:32:47.020 whether it's right or wrong,

00:32:48.220 our society has a consensus

00:32:49.760 that we should be funding

00:32:53.240 Johnny up the street

00:32:54.620 because his education

00:32:56.920 or the lack thereof

00:32:58.160 profoundly affects us all.

00:33:00.180 And that for sure is true.

00:33:02.440 Okay.

00:33:02.700 So then if the reason

00:33:04.320 we fund any education

00:33:05.600 is because Johnny's education

00:33:06.900 or the lack thereof

00:33:08.100 matters and really matters,

00:33:10.420 well, then

00:33:10.800 would we not want Johnny

00:33:12.420 to have the best

00:33:13.680 possible education?

00:33:15.700 And this,

00:33:16.980 again,

00:33:17.320 I believe is a strong argument

00:33:18.800 against the present

00:33:20.000 public school model

00:33:20.800 because the

00:33:21.340 public schools currently

00:33:22.820 are doing a very poor job

00:33:24.280 educating kids.

00:33:25.020 I don't have the data

00:33:25.900 right in front of me here,

00:33:27.140 but it comes to me

00:33:28.780 as I'm speaking.

00:33:30.760 The fact that there's now

00:33:31.880 a number of different researchers

00:33:33.580 who have been able

00:33:34.800 to make a pretty convincing case

00:33:36.540 that one out of every

00:33:37.880 three kids right now

00:33:39.280 in BC, Alberta,

00:33:41.380 Ontario, Nova Scotia,

00:33:42.620 where I've seen researchers

00:33:43.800 look into this question,

00:33:45.040 one out of every three kids

00:33:46.640 by grade three

00:33:48.140 still cannot read

00:33:49.800 and cannot do

00:33:50.760 basic mathematics,

00:33:52.300 just basic numeracy,

00:33:53.380 like addition and subtraction.

00:33:54.440 One out of every three.

00:33:56.560 Okay, now why that's a problem

00:33:57.760 is historically,

00:33:58.900 by the time you get

00:34:00.300 to grade four,

00:34:01.440 if you can't read

00:34:02.200 or do basic math,

00:34:03.660 you're just going to get

00:34:04.200 passed along

00:34:04.720 because no teacher

00:34:06.420 has the time

00:34:07.060 to sit down

00:34:07.520 and work with you

00:34:08.320 and few parents

00:34:09.160 can afford to pay

00:34:10.220 for a tutor

00:34:10.680 to make up the difference

00:34:12.340 because education,

00:34:13.300 especially mathematics,

00:34:14.100 is cumulative.

00:34:15.140 So the reality is

00:34:15.800 you're just going to

00:34:16.060 pass through the system

00:34:16.920 and as an adult,

00:34:17.720 you're going to have

00:34:18.000 to figure it out

00:34:18.860 for yourself.

00:34:19.880 So that's extraordinary.

00:34:22.140 And then again,

00:34:22.480 you think of societal outcomes,

00:34:23.820 like public schools

00:34:24.680 are not delivering.

00:34:26.100 So again,

00:34:27.480 why do we fund any kids

00:34:28.540 because their education matters?

00:34:29.600 Okay, well then

00:34:29.980 why would we not support

00:34:31.220 homeschooling?

00:34:32.580 And now again,

00:34:33.000 whether or not

00:34:33.500 funding should go

00:34:35.120 to homeschoolers

00:34:35.720 and what your opinion

00:34:36.340 is on that,

00:34:36.860 again, that's a conversation

00:34:37.520 for a different day.

00:34:38.320 But if we're going

00:34:38.740 to fund any education,

00:34:40.080 if we're going to have

00:34:40.540 any support

00:34:41.060 for the public system,

00:34:42.100 we should most certainly

00:34:43.420 be supportive

00:34:47.080 of homeschooling.

00:34:49.100 Okay, so how would we

00:34:52.180 then tease this out?

00:34:53.460 So a number of studies

00:34:54.600 that we did

00:34:55.160 during the pandemic

00:34:56.000 was on Christian schools,

00:34:58.920 Christian independent schools

00:34:59.740 and how they responded

00:35:00.640 to lockdowns.

00:35:03.280 And the reality is

00:35:03.920 that half of Christian schools

00:35:07.080 did not miss

00:35:08.440 a single day of class

00:35:09.560 and almost all of them,

00:35:12.520 84% missed less

00:35:14.080 than four days

00:35:15.180 simply because the schools

00:35:17.160 are profoundly accountable

00:35:18.640 to parents.

00:35:19.880 Meanwhile, there are jurisdictions,

00:35:21.740 for example, in Ontario

00:35:22.520 where well over a year

00:35:24.240 of learning was lost

00:35:25.760 and some would argue

00:35:27.180 quite a bit more than that.

00:35:29.700 Okay, question.

00:35:32.020 How many homeschoolers

00:35:33.000 missed class

00:35:33.880 during lockdowns?

00:35:37.900 No homeschooler missed any class.

00:35:39.380 There was no education loss

00:35:40.680 for the homeschool community.

00:35:42.880 So again,

00:35:44.080 and what will be interesting

00:35:45.380 is to see into the future

00:35:47.260 if we,

00:35:49.100 it would be very interesting

00:35:50.400 to see in 10, 20 years

00:35:51.680 measuring the results,

00:35:53.580 looking back at this cohort

00:35:55.460 and what those adult outcomes are

00:35:57.080 simply because, yeah,

00:35:58.080 there was no schooling loss.

00:35:59.160 Another way to tease this out,

00:36:00.460 now this again looks

00:36:01.260 at the independent school space

00:36:02.480 of quote-unquote private schools,

00:36:04.180 but the underlying assumptions

00:36:06.860 definitely apply

00:36:07.700 to homeschooling

00:36:08.320 where the question around

00:36:10.440 which schools produce

00:36:11.720 the best citizens

00:36:12.660 is about eight different measures

00:36:13.960 for citizenship

00:36:14.720 and what leads

00:36:15.340 to good citizenship.

00:36:16.940 But here,

00:36:18.540 you can find

00:36:19.380 very, very few studies

00:36:21.260 and of course,

00:36:21.840 what we're qualifying

00:36:22.860 is studies

00:36:24.720 that are methodologically

00:36:25.700 defensible

00:36:26.160 because anyone can write

00:36:27.060 a study on anything

00:36:27.900 but is the research

00:36:29.180 methodology sound?

00:36:31.140 And of anything

00:36:31.600 that's credible,

00:36:33.220 you can find very few

00:36:34.580 that find a public school advantage

00:36:35.680 and usually it's very niche,

00:36:37.200 very specific.

00:36:38.840 So the reality is

00:36:40.260 it's independent

00:36:41.120 and private schools

00:36:41.820 that create much better citizenships

00:36:43.080 and none of these studies

00:36:43.740 look at homeschooling.

00:36:44.520 But the reality is

00:36:46.180 for the same reasons

00:36:48.000 that private

00:36:48.620 and Christian schools

00:36:49.660 produce better citizens,

00:36:51.620 people who care about neighbor

00:36:52.700 and are engaged,

00:36:54.000 it's very much,

00:36:54.780 those arguments

00:36:55.480 are even stronger

00:36:56.300 for homeschooling.

00:36:57.660 And think about it this way,

00:36:59.440 a quick little tangent.

00:37:02.720 In a school setting

00:37:04.700 where everyone in your class

00:37:06.760 is the same age as you,

00:37:09.080 which is the norm

00:37:10.160 in almost every school,

00:37:11.920 99 point something percent

00:37:12.940 of schools, okay?

00:37:14.400 When in life

00:37:15.320 are you ever going to be

00:37:16.560 in a setting

00:37:17.640 where every day,

00:37:18.860 every person

00:37:19.460 you're interacting with

00:37:20.580 is the same age as you

00:37:21.940 and lives in the same

00:37:23.040 neighborhood as you?

00:37:24.260 You'll never experience

00:37:25.180 that again.

00:37:25.800 So it's a very

00:37:27.100 artificial environment.

00:37:27.960 So the question

00:37:28.340 around socialization,

00:37:30.160 it's like,

00:37:30.360 well, no,

00:37:30.760 homeschoolers are by far

00:37:31.840 the best socialized.

00:37:33.800 In that,

00:37:34.960 who do homeschoolers

00:37:35.880 interact with?

00:37:36.780 It's people who are

00:37:37.360 different from them,

00:37:38.160 whether it's siblings,

00:37:39.040 whether it's parents,

00:37:39.480 whether it's neighbors,

00:37:40.340 whether it's at the

00:37:40.740 grocery store,

00:37:41.600 or the myriad activities

00:37:44.040 that almost every

00:37:44.820 homeschooler is involved in.

00:37:46.960 Because let's be real,

00:37:48.180 they don't just stay

00:37:48.560 at home all day.

00:37:49.360 That's not life.

00:37:50.220 That's not reality.

00:37:50.920 That's not how

00:37:51.320 homeschool functions.

00:37:52.700 You're always interacting

00:37:53.900 with different people.

00:37:55.240 So you learn at a very

00:37:56.280 young age

00:37:57.060 how to appreciate

00:37:58.000 difference

00:37:58.520 and how to navigate

00:37:59.280 difference

00:37:59.740 and how to live in harmony

00:38:00.600 and how to get along

00:38:01.800 with strangers

00:38:02.460 and get along with family.

00:38:04.420 So no wonder you see

00:38:05.640 the strong societal

00:38:06.980 and family outcomes

00:38:07.940 in the research

00:38:08.480 with homeschooling.

00:38:09.520 Because just intuitively,

00:38:10.960 that's what homeschooling is.

00:38:12.460 Okay?

00:38:12.920 So in terms of

00:38:14.040 transitioning here,

00:38:15.080 how I want to wrap this up

00:38:16.140 is, again,

00:38:17.380 how we defend

00:38:18.260 homeschooling

00:38:19.640 and, of course,

00:38:20.460 Christian schooling

00:38:21.460 as well.

00:38:23.220 Back in the day,

00:38:23.980 especially in the 1980s,

00:38:25.080 the emphasis was on rights.

00:38:26.340 And for good reason.

00:38:27.540 It was illegal to homeschool.

00:38:28.820 And in many,

00:38:29.980 if not most,

00:38:30.580 jurisdictions

00:38:30.960 across North America.

00:38:31.840 So rightfully,

00:38:33.760 the emphasis was on rights.

00:38:35.480 And that no,

00:38:35.960 you should not be treated

00:38:36.700 like a criminal

00:38:37.480 because you want to

00:38:39.260 nurture

00:38:40.040 your children

00:38:41.560 and

00:38:42.300 be the

00:38:43.480 be their first educator,

00:38:46.760 which nature

00:38:47.340 has endowed you

00:38:48.320 as their first educator.

00:38:49.760 So that's where

00:38:50.360 the arguments

00:38:50.800 began

00:38:52.340 in the 1980s.

00:38:53.900 Fast forward

00:38:54.340 to the 90s

00:38:55.260 into the 2000s,

00:38:56.560 the arguments

00:38:57.660 moved to choice

00:38:58.860 and school choice

00:39:00.560 and everyone

00:39:00.860 should have

00:39:01.140 the freedom

00:39:01.720 to choose.

00:39:04.060 The challenge

00:39:04.960 with both

00:39:05.500 rights and choice

00:39:07.080 is we've done

00:39:07.840 a lot of focus group

00:39:08.820 research on this

00:39:10.200 and there's kind of

00:39:10.860 a gut reaction

00:39:11.840 to that language.

00:39:13.040 It doesn't resonate

00:39:13.640 with the public.

00:39:14.380 What resonates

00:39:15.020 is the language

00:39:16.140 of outcomes.

00:39:17.780 And

00:39:17.820 quote,

00:39:20.220 unquote,

00:39:20.560 a tree is known

00:39:21.600 by its fruit.

00:39:22.540 You will know them

00:39:23.380 by their fruit.

00:39:24.720 And that's very much

00:39:25.600 the reality.

00:39:26.300 So if around

00:39:26.800 the barbecue,

00:39:27.460 in discussion

00:39:29.160 with your neighbor,

00:39:31.000 they're objecting

00:39:31.940 to, oh,

00:39:32.300 why would you

00:39:33.300 homeschool?

00:39:33.800 And they're raising

00:39:34.120 all these objections.

00:39:34.940 Again,

00:39:35.100 you respond to questions,

00:39:35.960 what are the reasons

00:39:37.120 why kids should be 0.50

00:39:37.940 in public school?

00:39:38.960 And why do we

00:39:40.300 fund education?

00:39:41.040 Why do we have

00:39:41.480 an education system?

00:39:42.420 Let them give

00:39:43.160 all of those answers

00:39:44.200 and be like,

00:39:44.980 yeah,

00:39:45.220 it's interesting

00:39:45.780 because on everything

00:39:47.220 you just said,

00:39:48.380 homeschoolers deliver.

00:39:50.320 And when it comes

00:39:50.840 to outcomes,

00:39:51.540 now,

00:39:52.200 importantly,

00:39:52.920 there's a caveat.

00:39:54.220 Homeschool outcomes

00:39:54.980 very often,

00:39:55.820 and we didn't get

00:39:56.460 into all the data.

00:39:57.000 I gave you

00:39:58.720 a very quick flyover.

00:40:00.700 But if we were

00:40:01.160 to really get

00:40:03.280 into the weeds,

00:40:03.980 you will find

00:40:04.860 an inverted bell curve

00:40:06.340 with homeschool results.

00:40:08.120 And in that,

00:40:09.200 for example,

00:40:10.580 who are the most

00:40:11.260 likely to go on

00:40:11.940 and get PhDs?

00:40:13.440 Homeschoolers.

00:40:14.120 Who are the least

00:40:15.140 likely to go

00:40:15.860 to university?

00:40:17.160 Homeschoolers.

00:40:18.560 And we can speculate

00:40:19.880 as to why.

00:40:20.660 I would speculate

00:40:21.540 much of that

00:40:22.320 is within homeschool environments.

00:40:23.700 You'll have a lot more

00:40:24.460 full-time moms.

00:40:25.380 So if you get married

00:40:26.940 young,

00:40:27.500 become a full-time mom,

00:40:29.000 or even you get married

00:40:29.840 straight out of undergrad,

00:40:31.680 well, you're not going

00:40:32.160 to go on and get a PhD.

00:40:33.420 And that's not a bad thing.

00:40:34.440 We need more full-time moms. 1.00

00:40:35.780 That's very healthy

00:40:36.620 for society.

00:40:37.500 And thankfully,

00:40:38.120 increasingly,

00:40:38.600 research is out there

00:40:39.480 now making that case

00:40:41.100 empirically.

00:40:41.880 But we need more moms. 1.00

00:40:42.920 So that's not

00:40:43.660 a negative outcome,

00:40:45.100 but it does show up

00:40:46.220 as an inverted belker.

00:40:48.780 And for example,

00:40:51.820 who's the most likely

00:40:52.680 to be an entrepreneur

00:40:53.700 or a business owner

00:40:54.400 and to employ others?

00:40:55.760 Homeschool grads.

00:40:56.820 Okay?

00:40:57.460 But who's also

00:40:59.520 the most likely

00:41:00.240 to technically

00:41:00.960 not be employed

00:41:01.840 and not show up

00:41:02.420 in employment data?

00:41:03.380 Again, the homeschoolers.

00:41:04.460 And again,

00:41:04.760 you factor in

00:41:05.460 the fact that we're likely

00:41:07.200 to be full-time

00:41:07.980 stay-at-home moms.

00:41:09.020 Well, yeah,

00:41:09.280 they're not going to show up

00:41:09.840 in employment data.

00:41:10.800 And now there's an entrepreneur

00:41:11.660 going to show up

00:41:12.100 in employment data.

00:41:12.740 So again,

00:41:13.540 you'll have an inverted belt curve.

00:41:14.920 So when it comes to outcomes,

00:41:16.540 that caveat's important.

00:41:18.540 But if someone,

00:41:19.420 again,

00:41:19.580 you're talking with your neighbor

00:41:20.620 and they're in a conversation,

00:41:22.020 I do think strategically

00:41:23.520 to lead with outcomes,

00:41:25.280 there's much to be said there.

00:41:26.940 And then one final point

00:41:28.900 in terms of, again,

00:41:29.900 navigating those

00:41:32.200 who oppose homeschooling.

00:41:34.020 And even within family,

00:41:35.060 there can be very

00:41:35.580 contentious conversations.

00:41:37.700 There's things

00:41:38.300 that need to be balanced.

00:41:39.460 We often lead

00:41:40.140 with parental freedom

00:41:41.000 and for good reason.

00:41:41.820 But

00:41:42.740 there is something

00:41:43.700 to be also said

00:41:44.560 for autonomy

00:41:45.760 within communities,

00:41:48.120 freedom of association,

00:41:48.960 that sort of stuff.

00:41:49.920 So there's also,

00:41:50.700 those are different arguments

00:41:51.960 than parental rights,

00:41:53.740 but they're equally important.

00:41:55.620 And then again,

00:41:56.080 the funding question.

00:41:57.120 Now,

00:41:57.600 with homeschoolers,

00:41:58.540 depends what jurisdiction

00:41:59.300 you're in.

00:42:00.120 Some jurisdictions

00:42:00.780 receive funding,

00:42:01.540 some don't.

00:42:02.260 So take Alberta,

00:42:02.940 for example.

00:42:03.780 Alberta has fairly

00:42:04.720 generous funding

00:42:05.520 for homeschool families

00:42:06.700 if you want to receive it.

00:42:07.940 And there are good arguments

00:42:08.860 on both sides,

00:42:09.560 whether to receive

00:42:10.120 or not receive such funding.

00:42:11.600 But the reality is,

00:42:13.080 if you receive public funds,

00:42:15.320 there needs to be

00:42:17.180 public accountability

00:42:17.820 for those funds

00:42:19.020 because,

00:42:19.520 yeah,

00:42:21.980 there has to be

00:42:22.720 accountability in place

00:42:23.420 for those funds.

00:42:24.080 That's just basic

00:42:24.900 fiduciary responsibility.

00:42:27.060 So it's just important

00:42:29.280 that something

00:42:31.180 I have found consistently

00:42:32.160 just in dialogue,

00:42:33.240 in debate,

00:42:34.260 is if we make it clear

00:42:36.580 to others,

00:42:37.160 no,

00:42:37.360 it's not just my rights

00:42:38.560 that I care about.

00:42:39.360 I do care about community.

00:42:41.180 I do care about accountability.

00:42:42.780 But those three things

00:42:43.440 being held in tension.

00:42:44.320 Now,

00:42:44.900 importantly,

00:42:45.400 if no funding is involved,

00:42:46.740 there's no funding whatsoever,

00:42:47.740 well,

00:42:47.820 then the accountability piece

00:42:48.580 is quite different

00:42:49.440 because the reality is,

00:42:50.580 yes,

00:42:50.880 mom and dad are

00:42:51.780 the custodians

00:42:53.100 of their children

00:42:53.760 by nature.

00:42:54.900 And there's really good

00:42:56.160 case law around that

00:42:57.640 and even beyond case law,

00:42:58.920 United Nations,

00:42:59.560 declarations,

00:43:00.040 whatnot,

00:43:00.780 what have you.

00:43:01.600 But in Canada,

00:43:02.260 the laws are pretty strong.

00:43:03.440 But all that to say,

00:43:05.140 holding these three things

00:43:07.540 in tension,

00:43:08.260 I find,

00:43:09.200 for those who would

00:43:10.040 initially be hostile,

00:43:12.320 I find it eases

00:43:13.600 concerns considerably.

00:43:15.600 So in summary,

00:43:17.200 parents most certainly

00:43:18.760 have the biggest impact

00:43:19.780 on students.

00:43:20.820 We barely scratched

00:43:21.440 the surface there

00:43:22.100 with one of the strongest

00:43:22.900 studies on that.

00:43:23.660 But you could spend weeks

00:43:24.960 going through study

00:43:25.520 after study

00:43:26.020 that shows

00:43:27.380 that it's for sure

00:43:28.520 the case.

00:43:29.760 Homeschooling outcomes

00:43:30.600 do match motivations

00:43:32.840 overwhelmingly.

00:43:33.880 Now,

00:43:34.020 not perfectly,

00:43:34.700 but overwhelmingly.

00:43:36.340 Next to parenting,

00:43:37.860 the match

00:43:38.360 or the fit

00:43:39.040 between home church

00:43:39.880 and school

00:43:40.400 is most likely

00:43:42.640 the second strongest factor.

00:43:44.120 Now,

00:43:44.240 again,

00:43:44.360 the research on that

00:43:44.960 is fairly new.

00:43:46.020 It needs to be replicated

00:43:46.940 that we're pioneering

00:43:47.960 new stuff here.

00:43:49.540 But from,

00:43:50.160 again,

00:43:50.400 a gigantic

00:43:51.100 representative data set,

00:43:52.640 this seems to be the case,

00:43:53.920 which,

00:43:54.020 again,

00:43:54.280 is a pretty strong argument

00:43:55.480 in favor of homeschooling,

00:43:56.880 assuming you're a part

00:43:58.060 of a robust church community.

00:44:00.560 And then,

00:44:01.900 fourthly,

00:44:03.480 in our defense

00:44:05.040 of homeschool,

00:44:06.300 I think it's worthwhile

00:44:07.960 responding to questions

00:44:09.440 with questions

00:44:10.240 in an appropriate fashion.

00:44:12.320 And where we provide answers,

00:44:14.620 lead with outcomes,

00:44:15.960 because a tree

00:44:16.680 is known by its fruit.

00:44:18.020 And when it comes

00:44:18.440 to homeschooling,

00:44:19.180 we've got nothing to hide.

00:44:20.560 And two resources

00:44:21.700 that I don't have

00:44:22.940 in my slide deck

00:44:23.920 that I would refer you to,

00:44:26.100 it's the National Home

00:44:27.380 Education Research Institute.

00:44:29.760 So,

00:44:30.060 N-H-E-R-I. 1.00

00:44:32.340 And the website would be,

00:44:33.380 I think,

00:44:33.780 N-H-E-R-I.org. 0.98

00:44:36.260 Really good resources there.

00:44:37.700 Brian Ray is an excellent scholar.

00:44:39.600 And you know he's good

00:44:40.440 because the Washington Post

00:44:41.380 did a piece on him last year,

00:44:42.640 tried to take him out.

00:44:43.620 Almost everything

00:44:44.060 they reported was BS.

00:44:45.280 I know Brian well.

00:44:46.180 And he does solid work.

00:44:49.800 He did a systematic review

00:44:51.480 of all the empirical research

00:44:52.440 on homeschooling

00:44:53.140 a few years back.

00:44:54.940 Really good stuff.

00:44:55.520 That's on his website.

00:44:56.780 And I didn't touch

00:44:57.840 on any of that stuff.

00:44:58.980 So,

00:44:59.200 a whole other

00:44:59.780 big basket of information.

00:45:02.680 And also,

00:45:03.140 questions around,

00:45:04.300 concerns you often hear

00:45:05.120 around abuse

00:45:05.800 and that,

00:45:06.620 well,

00:45:06.680 the risk of abuse is higher.

00:45:08.000 Again,

00:45:08.340 Brian,

00:45:08.880 as a paper,

00:45:09.800 was updated,

00:45:10.260 I think,

00:45:10.880 in March of this year

00:45:12.000 that addresses exactly

00:45:13.460 that question.

00:45:14.160 So,

00:45:14.240 if you guys want to dive

00:45:14.800 into that,

00:45:15.280 great website,

00:45:16.700 nheri.org.

00:45:19.160 Tons of research there.

00:45:20.900 Solid stuff

00:45:21.700 that I would strongly

00:45:23.280 refer you to.

00:45:24.620 So,

00:45:25.000 with that,

00:45:25.920 I think,

00:45:26.380 yeah,

00:45:26.580 that's all that I had.

00:45:27.760 I'm happy to take questions.

00:45:29.340 And the Aristotle Foundation,

00:45:30.880 again,

00:45:31.040 we're brand spanking new.

00:45:32.220 So,

00:45:32.520 on the education file,

00:45:34.940 nothing's come through

00:45:35.480 the pipe just yet

00:45:36.320 because it's in the works,

00:45:37.260 but there'll be much

00:45:38.060 that will come

00:45:39.480 soon enough.

00:45:41.680 Okay,

00:45:42.180 fantastic.

00:45:42.840 Well,

00:45:43.020 thank you,

00:45:43.540 David.

00:45:43.920 I know that,

00:45:44.580 like you say,

00:45:45.020 you're just scratching

00:45:45.820 the surface

00:45:46.400 as you're going

00:45:47.080 through all of that.

00:45:48.700 And I think

00:45:50.140 what I want to do

00:45:50.880 for just a moment,

00:45:51.740 I'm going to actually

00:45:52.860 share my screen

00:45:54.020 and help people

00:45:55.200 put this into perspective.

00:45:56.880 When we're promoting

00:45:58.500 the homeschooling,

00:46:00.840 we,

00:46:01.220 I had a teacher

00:46:02.140 that I was in contact

00:46:03.100 with in Ontario

00:46:03.880 and she provided me

00:46:05.140 this information

00:46:06.640 directly from,

00:46:08.460 I believe it was,

00:46:09.480 the Ontario Education.

00:46:11.400 These are their stats.

00:46:12.640 And if you take a look

00:46:15.240 at,

00:46:15.600 say,

00:46:15.760 grade three,

00:46:16.980 you were saying

00:46:17.840 that one out of three

00:46:18.740 students can't read

00:46:20.100 properly,

00:46:20.800 mathematics is low,

00:46:22.080 and this is supporting,

00:46:24.200 you know,

00:46:24.540 what you're saying.

00:46:25.760 And then as well

00:46:26.680 as grade six assessment,

00:46:28.120 and then it goes

00:46:28.760 into numbers

00:46:29.340 regarding graduation.

00:46:31.220 Grade nine assessment

00:46:32.420 in mathematics,

00:46:33.560 52%.

00:46:34.700 How are our kids

00:46:36.660 supposed to go

00:46:37.380 into the world

00:46:38.140 and provide

00:46:38.880 for their families,

00:46:40.180 take care of their finances,

00:46:42.160 and thrive?

00:46:43.060 How are they going to

00:46:44.120 be the future leaders

00:46:45.500 of this country?

00:46:46.960 And I've mentioned

00:46:48.100 previously

00:46:48.820 that the,

00:46:49.860 you know,

00:46:50.580 Chinese,

00:46:51.140 when we look at them,

00:46:51.740 they don't have

00:46:52.140 all these social programs.

00:46:53.400 They're teaching their kids

00:46:54.660 to come in

00:46:55.380 and be able to

00:46:57.080 potentially lead in Canada

00:46:58.980 if we don't really

00:46:59.940 get serious

00:47:00.660 about our education.

00:47:02.320 And so just for parents

00:47:04.280 who are here today

00:47:06.280 or going to be viewing this

00:47:07.840 and are sitting

00:47:08.920 on the fence

00:47:09.540 and really concerned

00:47:10.780 about what their kids

00:47:11.860 are being exposed to

00:47:13.080 in the education system

00:47:14.920 and what they're learning

00:47:16.520 or lack of learning,

00:47:18.940 because as David

00:47:20.240 had mentioned,

00:47:20.780 those grade three stats

00:47:21.920 are horrific,

00:47:23.800 and that puts kids

00:47:25.140 on a path for failure.

00:47:26.980 How do you catch up

00:47:28.180 on something like that

00:47:29.600 by the time grade three

00:47:31.080 if you can't read

00:47:32.340 or do mathematics

00:47:33.620 at that level?

00:47:35.400 And so if you come on

00:47:36.300 to current issues

00:47:37.500 in Action for Canada's menu,

00:47:39.560 down to Homeschooling Revolution,

00:47:42.240 you will come to this page.

00:47:45.220 We have already vetted

00:47:46.400 trustworthy,

00:47:47.800 amazing homeschooling

00:47:49.080 associations across Canada.

00:47:50.580 We're not recreating

00:47:51.780 the wheel on homeschooling.

00:47:53.860 And then we also provide

00:47:55.680 and answer questions

00:47:57.200 as far as there's

00:47:59.380 the HSD-LDA

00:48:00.620 for legal defense.

00:48:02.540 We encourage homeschoolers,

00:48:04.180 parents to get set up

00:48:05.040 with that.

00:48:05.920 We provide you

00:48:06.480 homeschool webinars.

00:48:07.940 David has been

00:48:08.740 one of our guests

00:48:09.640 with our homeschool team,

00:48:11.560 and he's provided

00:48:12.560 very similar information

00:48:14.320 to what you saw today.

00:48:15.740 So if you're sitting there

00:48:16.820 and you're thinking,

00:48:17.620 I am so concerned

00:48:18.560 about putting my child

00:48:19.800 in school

00:48:20.360 and what the end result

00:48:22.720 of that will be,

00:48:23.940 then I encourage you

00:48:25.160 to come to this page

00:48:26.000 and get a little bit

00:48:26.640 of guidance.

00:48:27.660 Doris is our homeschool lead

00:48:29.080 and the email

00:48:30.460 to connect with Doris

00:48:32.240 is on that page as well.

00:48:34.040 And I should add

00:48:35.600 the Aristotle Foundation

00:48:36.840 to that page

00:48:37.840 if it's not already there.

00:48:39.200 I think we may have

00:48:40.120 added it already

00:48:41.020 so that you can access

00:48:42.760 more of the information

00:48:44.720 that David is talking about.

00:48:47.820 And so I know

00:48:49.240 that we've had Alex Newman

00:48:50.340 on the show previously

00:48:51.580 from the United States

00:48:53.020 and it's like 911,

00:48:54.640 like the schools are on fire.

00:48:56.500 Get your kids out

00:48:57.320 and they have this mass

00:48:58.520 public school exit

00:49:00.120 in the United States

00:49:01.240 where millions of kids,

00:49:03.260 parents have decided

00:49:04.240 to homeschool.

00:49:05.800 And COVID was a gift

00:49:07.200 in a way

00:49:08.680 because parents realized,

00:49:10.460 oh my goodness,

00:49:11.000 this isn't as tough

00:49:12.020 as what I thought

00:49:12.660 it would be

00:49:13.200 having my children home.

00:49:14.980 They're not being

00:49:16.020 indoctrinated,

00:49:16.940 groomed,

00:49:17.340 or exploited

00:49:18.120 and they're learning

00:49:21.140 at a better capacity.

00:49:22.880 You can teach your child

00:49:23.960 more in two hours

00:49:25.740 than they are going

00:49:27.280 to learn in six

00:49:28.300 or seven hours

00:49:29.000 at school

00:49:29.440 and you don't run

00:49:30.300 the risk

00:49:30.820 of having a little

00:49:32.800 Marxist soldier

00:49:34.200 graduate

00:49:35.420 and then go into

00:49:37.000 the Marxist university.

00:49:38.480 So thanks for sharing

00:49:39.360 that, Terenzio.

00:49:40.800 But that's just

00:49:41.460 one of the things

00:49:42.060 that I want to

00:49:42.840 point out to you.

00:49:44.660 And then the other thing,

00:49:45.880 David,

00:49:46.360 forgive me

00:49:46.820 because I'm just,

00:49:47.680 I'm catching up

00:49:48.420 on your wonderful

00:49:49.180 presentation

00:49:49.840 is that faith-based

00:49:52.560 really does make

00:49:54.340 a difference

00:49:55.000 in a child's education

00:49:56.760 as far as morality

00:49:57.900 is concerned,

00:49:58.900 as far as productivity

00:50:00.340 is concerned,

00:50:01.920 ethics,

00:50:03.280 I would,

00:50:04.060 I meant work ethic,

00:50:05.580 etc.

00:50:06.260 And I have found

00:50:07.620 that homeschool kids

00:50:08.640 as well,

00:50:09.220 they interact

00:50:09.940 way more maturely

00:50:11.540 with adults.

00:50:12.720 They're more well-rounded.

00:50:14.260 It's not necessarily

00:50:15.640 all of them

00:50:16.500 or that kids 0.67

00:50:18.140 coming out of

00:50:18.660 public education

00:50:19.480 where their parents

00:50:20.240 are pouring in

00:50:21.000 that extra time

00:50:21.980 to make sure

00:50:22.860 their kids are educated

00:50:23.800 isn't happening.

00:50:25.060 But I'm just saying

00:50:25.900 looking at your stats,

00:50:27.300 it has a very

00:50:27.960 positive effect

00:50:29.000 and that

00:50:30.080 when the public schools

00:50:31.560 dropped,

00:50:32.720 you know,

00:50:33.620 the Bible,

00:50:34.440 we're no longer

00:50:35.020 singing really

00:50:36.100 O Canada

00:50:36.640 on a regular basis.

00:50:37.980 We used to do it

00:50:38.560 every morning at school.

00:50:40.140 There's a lot of things

00:50:41.140 where Canada

00:50:42.560 has just so far

00:50:44.220 gone to the

00:50:45.280 greatest foundation

00:50:46.040 in education

00:50:46.700 that we had.

00:50:48.140 And anyway,

00:50:48.600 so I just want you

00:50:49.440 to comment

00:50:50.600 on some of that

00:50:51.260 as well.

00:50:52.300 Yeah,

00:50:52.580 and another resource

00:50:54.060 is quite accessible

00:50:55.160 that's totally,

00:50:56.880 again,

00:50:57.220 totally different data set.

00:50:58.860 So this isn't repeating

00:50:59.700 anything that I've said,

00:51:01.200 but it confirms it.

00:51:03.240 A fairly new book,

00:51:04.200 I think it came out

00:51:04.800 in 2020,

00:51:05.420 but it's called

00:51:05.900 God,

00:51:07.060 Grades,

00:51:07.540 and Graduation.

00:51:09.260 And you can find

00:51:09.740 that on Amazon.

00:51:11.540 It's from a major publisher,

00:51:12.900 but God,

00:51:13.680 Grades,

00:51:13.980 and Graduation.

00:51:14.720 And what's interesting,

00:51:15.920 it was a scholar,

00:51:16.740 I think she did her PhD

00:51:18.180 at Stanford,

00:51:19.040 if I'm not mistaken.

00:51:19.900 She now teaches

00:51:20.660 at a university

00:51:21.620 down in Louisiana,

00:51:23.220 if my memory serves me

00:51:24.680 correctly.

00:51:25.260 But she immigrated 0.56

00:51:26.300 originally from Russia.

00:51:27.760 And so she came to America. 0.90

00:51:29.260 This is a new country.

00:51:30.800 And so when she started

00:51:31.460 teaching in the Deep South,

00:51:33.040 she kept meeting

00:51:34.260 all these

00:51:34.640 Southern evangelicals,

00:51:37.040 which to her,

00:51:37.960 it was this cultural phenomenon.

00:51:39.840 Because coming from Russia, 0.99

00:51:41.120 you know,

00:51:41.360 you don't have Southern Baptists 0.98

00:51:42.480 in Moscow.

00:51:45.020 And she was just

00:51:46.540 so curious about

00:51:47.840 these young people

00:51:48.920 who took their faith

00:51:49.620 so seriously

00:51:50.600 and were so different

00:51:52.520 in a very good way.

00:51:53.460 And they weren't always

00:51:54.220 necessarily the most academic

00:51:55.600 because often they came

00:51:56.500 out of households

00:51:57.060 where maybe genetically

00:51:58.580 they don't have

00:51:59.140 the highest IQ.

00:52:00.800 But yet,

00:52:01.280 like you said,

00:52:01.880 their work ethic

00:52:02.520 was extraordinary

00:52:03.260 and they punched

00:52:04.140 above their weight

00:52:04.940 and with a pleasant attitude.

00:52:06.560 And if they failed,

00:52:07.520 they took it in the chin

00:52:08.780 in a very different way.

00:52:10.300 And they were just

00:52:10.980 so involved in the community.

00:52:11.860 So she's like,

00:52:12.300 I have to research this

00:52:13.380 because as I'm not sure

00:52:14.920 if she's a sociologist

00:52:16.160 or what her field

00:52:17.560 specifically is.

00:52:18.620 Maybe she's an economist. 0.99

00:52:19.800 I don't know.

00:52:20.420 But social science

00:52:21.560 is her shtick.

00:52:23.400 And so as a social scientist,

00:52:24.600 she's like,

00:52:25.020 I have to dive into this.

00:52:26.680 And so it's robust,

00:52:28.520 her research.

00:52:29.780 And it's again,

00:52:30.240 as someone who's

00:52:31.200 a secular Jew

00:52:32.040 of Russian origin,

00:52:34.200 but secular Jew,

00:52:35.340 researching,

00:52:36.580 again,

00:52:37.400 Christian grads

00:52:39.240 and just showing

00:52:40.980 how remarkably different

00:52:42.260 they are.

00:52:42.800 And most certainly

00:52:43.500 faith plays a role.

00:52:44.920 But another data set,

00:52:46.840 and if my memory

00:52:47.800 serves me correctly,

00:52:48.580 this is the Harvard

00:52:49.740 Flourishing Study,

00:52:50.840 but maybe don't quote me on that.

00:52:51.920 I think that's what it is.

00:52:53.500 But I think it was

00:52:55.380 the Harvard Flourishing Study

00:52:56.380 that a key finding there

00:52:58.740 is that

00:53:00.100 Christian schooling

00:53:02.840 is not a replacement

00:53:03.900 for church.

00:53:04.540 So if you have a household,

00:53:07.120 and this is very common,

00:53:08.580 where you send your kids

00:53:10.080 to a Christian school,

00:53:11.380 but at home

00:53:12.020 you don't really

00:53:12.420 take faith seriously,

00:53:14.060 and you think

00:53:15.840 the Christian school

00:53:16.400 is going to make up

00:53:16.880 the difference,

00:53:18.620 but that doesn't cut it.

00:53:19.640 And those students

00:53:20.460 actually don't grow up

00:53:21.340 as adults

00:53:22.080 to be plugged in

00:53:23.400 and committed Christians.

00:53:24.900 Home is ground zero.

00:53:26.780 So is the home life

00:53:28.340 flourishing?

00:53:29.760 Do mom and dad

00:53:30.620 love the Lord?

00:53:31.500 And are they fully

00:53:32.480 living that out?

00:53:33.340 And are you plugged

00:53:34.920 into your local church?

00:53:36.220 And that, again,

00:53:36.680 is as a homeschool family,

00:53:38.080 it's often much easier

00:53:39.100 to be quite active

00:53:39.900 in your local church

00:53:40.720 simply because

00:53:42.240 you don't have

00:53:43.120 some of the schooling

00:53:43.720 obligations

00:53:44.840 that those involved

00:53:46.240 in the conventional

00:53:46.800 school system would,

00:53:48.340 whether public

00:53:49.220 or Christian.

00:53:50.480 So yeah,

00:53:51.240 there's a huge

00:53:52.040 faith component.

00:53:53.240 Faith most certainly

00:53:54.180 matters,

00:53:55.260 and of course

00:53:56.280 very specifically

00:53:56.820 the Christian faith.

00:53:57.420 Well,

00:53:58.560 and I like

00:53:59.000 what you're saying

00:53:59.640 about that

00:54:00.340 what goes on

00:54:01.220 in the home

00:54:01.620 really,

00:54:02.160 really matters.

00:54:03.200 And I'm going

00:54:04.160 to just call them

00:54:04.740 the left for lack

00:54:05.500 of a better name.

00:54:06.440 You can think

00:54:07.200 of all kinds

00:54:07.700 of names to call them,

00:54:08.460 but I'll just

00:54:08.920 call them that.

00:54:10.120 And what they're doing

00:54:11.100 is trying to break

00:54:11.900 down the natural family

00:54:13.140 and divorce is rampant,

00:54:15.880 whether it's

00:54:16.400 the secular society

00:54:19.240 or the Christian society,

00:54:20.940 whatever.

00:54:21.540 It's a real mess

00:54:22.760 right now.

00:54:23.260 And this was

00:54:23.960 intentionally done

00:54:25.060 as well as to get

00:54:26.740 moms in the home 1.00

00:54:28.080 many decades ago

00:54:29.120 to feel like

00:54:30.040 they were inadequate

00:54:30.940 if they weren't

00:54:32.040 pursuing an education

00:54:33.820 and a job

00:54:34.420 outside of the home

00:54:35.240 so that they could

00:54:35.920 have access

00:54:36.340 to our children

00:54:37.220 and form their minds

00:54:39.980 for the future,

00:54:41.500 for what we're

00:54:42.040 experiencing

00:54:42.640 for such a day

00:54:43.520 as this.

00:54:44.120 And we've got

00:54:44.760 to undo this mess.

00:54:46.340 Yes, we have to.

00:54:47.380 And it starts

00:54:48.120 in the home.

00:54:49.200 Like that is

00:54:50.180 where

00:54:50.860 restoring society,

00:54:54.400 renaissance,

00:54:55.940 renewal,

00:54:56.380 whatever term

00:54:56.940 you want to use,

00:54:58.080 revival,

00:54:58.780 it begins in the household.

00:55:00.660 And I was at

00:55:01.080 a round table

00:55:02.360 with a bunch of

00:55:03.360 think tankers

00:55:04.180 and academics

00:55:04.880 just a few weeks

00:55:05.540 ago in Ottawa.

00:55:06.740 And most of them,

00:55:07.740 of course,

00:55:07.880 believe that the individual

00:55:08.960 is the basic unit

00:55:09.980 of society.

00:55:10.640 And I'm like,

00:55:11.000 hold up, folks.

00:55:11.940 Hold up.

00:55:12.360 Because they're economists.

00:55:13.260 So they kept using

00:55:13.860 Robinson Crusoe

00:55:14.620 as an example

00:55:15.140 for everything

00:55:15.760 and Robinson Crusoe's

00:55:16.900 island.

00:55:17.220 I'm like,

00:55:17.380 hold on.

00:55:18.040 Robinson Crusoe

00:55:18.680 on his island.

00:55:19.460 Is that a society?

00:55:20.860 And then,

00:55:21.340 of course,

00:55:21.480 when Friday

00:55:21.960 joins him,

00:55:22.920 is it a society?

00:55:24.320 And you can have

00:55:24.580 as many Fridays

00:55:25.140 as you want.

00:55:25.660 You still don't

00:55:26.000 have a society

00:55:26.620 until you have

00:55:27.860 Adam and Eve.

00:55:28.640 You've got man

00:55:29.280 and woman. 1.00

00:55:30.280 Marriage is

00:55:31.420 the foundation

00:55:32.100 of society.

00:55:32.720 You can't have

00:55:33.220 society without it.

00:55:34.980 And that family

00:55:36.600 piece,

00:55:37.040 I don't think

00:55:37.760 we emphasize it

00:55:38.740 enough.

00:55:39.100 And I love

00:55:39.660 C.S.

00:55:40.300 Lewis,

00:55:41.160 where he said

00:55:41.840 every vocation

00:55:44.260 exists for one

00:55:45.280 purpose,

00:55:45.900 to make room

00:55:46.980 for the most

00:55:47.420 important vocation,

00:55:48.240 which is motherhood. 0.97

00:55:48.820 I love that.

00:55:51.980 And that's

00:55:52.560 something that,

00:55:53.640 you know,

00:55:54.380 I talked about

00:55:55.160 the emasculation

00:55:56.520 of men many times,

00:55:57.980 and that was part

00:55:58.660 of the scenario

00:55:59.280 to embolden women 1.00

00:56:00.300 and get them out

00:56:01.060 there independent.

00:56:02.080 We don't need men.

00:56:03.280 And they've robbed

00:56:04.920 us of the beauty

00:56:05.680 of motherhood,

00:56:06.360 and now they're

00:56:06.880 robbing us

00:56:07.520 of the amazingness

00:56:09.000 of being an actual

00:56:09.880 woman, 1.00

00:56:10.640 and not a,

00:56:11.920 you know,

00:56:12.420 a faux woman man 0.76

00:56:13.460 pretending to be

00:56:14.800 a woman.

00:56:15.160 And so you can

00:56:15.860 see the attack

00:56:16.860 and how it is

00:56:18.180 affecting society,

00:56:19.500 how it's affecting

00:56:20.200 our youth.

00:56:21.240 And God had this

00:56:22.720 all formed

00:56:23.540 in Canada

00:56:24.300 perfectly that

00:56:25.620 our founding fathers

00:56:26.520 had blessed us

00:56:27.360 with,

00:56:27.840 and we've got to

00:56:28.460 keep pointing

00:56:29.060 back to the cross.

00:56:30.320 We've got to

00:56:30.640 keep pointing

00:56:31.140 people back

00:56:31.900 to what worked.

00:56:33.120 We're failing

00:56:33.900 as a society

00:56:34.920 because of

00:56:35.540 anything that

00:56:36.180 ends in an

00:56:36.900 ism,

00:56:37.740 secularism,

00:56:38.860 and, you know,

00:56:39.800 all the rest of it.

00:56:41.080 Now, the other

00:56:42.080 thing that I noted,

00:56:43.460 my kids are 28

00:56:44.960 and 30 now,

00:56:45.920 and when they

00:56:47.380 were in school,

00:56:48.120 I loved to

00:56:49.200 participate in

00:56:50.040 the reading program

00:56:50.900 when they were

00:56:51.540 in elementary school,

00:56:52.800 but what I found,

00:56:54.100 and the situation

00:56:55.680 is so much more

00:56:56.500 dire now,

00:56:57.760 and it would

00:56:58.840 really affect

00:56:59.700 the statistics

00:57:00.340 that you're giving,

00:57:01.220 is that we're being

00:57:01.880 flooded with mass

00:57:02.820 immigration,

00:57:03.840 and I'm not blaming

00:57:04.520 this on immigrants

00:57:05.380 coming in,

00:57:06.120 but in a way I am,

00:57:07.560 because they come

00:57:08.380 to Canada

00:57:08.840 and there is no

00:57:09.840 mandate from

00:57:11.500 the government

00:57:11.960 for them to

00:57:12.980 speak English,

00:57:13.980 learn the language,

00:57:14.940 talk English

00:57:15.720 within their homes,

00:57:17.100 and so the

00:57:18.280 South Asians

00:57:18.920 are sending their

00:57:19.920 kids to the

00:57:20.640 school of Kelsa,

00:57:21.680 the Muslims

00:57:22.280 are sending their

00:57:23.140 school to an

00:57:23.800 Islamic school,

00:57:24.700 and even the

00:57:25.260 preschools with

00:57:26.580 the school of

00:57:28.060 Kelsa,

00:57:28.680 because I

00:57:29.020 experienced this

00:57:29.640 a lot,

00:57:30.420 they come into

00:57:31.380 kindergarten and

00:57:31.960 grade one,

00:57:32.360 and these kids

00:57:32.800 hardly, barely

00:57:33.760 speak English,

00:57:34.840 and those kids

00:57:36.520 would hold the

00:57:38.500 whole classroom

00:57:39.340 back,

00:57:40.220 and I would be

00:57:41.420 out in the

00:57:42.200 hallways with

00:57:42.820 them spending

00:57:43.280 extra time

00:57:44.420 teaching them

00:57:45.380 English,

00:57:45.820 and I remember

00:57:47.200 one precious

00:57:47.800 little boy and

00:57:48.700 her mom worked

00:57:49.580 at, well it

00:57:50.780 was the, I

00:57:51.300 believe it was

00:57:51.720 the Bay at

00:57:52.440 that point,

00:57:53.260 and whenever I

00:57:54.260 would see her

00:57:54.840 years and years

00:57:55.760 later, she would

00:57:56.560 come up and

00:57:56.980 embrace me and

00:57:57.640 say thank you so

00:57:58.760 much, because of

00:58:00.000 the difference one

00:58:01.040 person was able to

00:58:02.160 make in her son's 0.99

00:58:03.000 life who would

00:58:03.880 have completely

00:58:04.460 fallen behind,

00:58:05.960 and this is what

00:58:06.640 our education system,

00:58:07.780 this is what our

00:58:08.360 government is doing

00:58:09.140 to Canada, and

00:58:10.360 then what you find

00:58:11.380 is that the

00:58:12.100 born and raised

00:58:13.040 Canadians,

00:58:13.900 regardless of

00:58:14.760 color, it has

00:58:16.320 nothing to do

00:58:16.920 with color, you

00:58:17.620 know that, it

00:58:18.640 has to do with

00:58:19.560 embracing our

00:58:21.040 traditions, our

00:58:22.420 language, etc., are

00:58:23.740 now moving out of

00:58:24.700 those communities,

00:58:26.000 and now all it

00:58:27.380 is is that our

00:58:28.280 school systems in

00:58:29.260 those communities

00:58:30.120 are flooded with

00:58:31.380 immigrants, and

00:58:32.180 they're also being

00:58:33.360 held back because

00:58:34.940 they're showing up

00:58:35.680 at school unable

00:58:37.120 to fully speak the

00:58:38.040 language, and that

00:58:39.420 language barrier is

00:58:40.920 huge, I believe, in

00:58:42.040 their learning when

00:58:43.300 they first start in

00:58:44.660 kindergarten.

00:58:46.560 So for this one, I

00:58:48.120 would maybe tell you,

00:58:49.360 I should take the

00:58:49.860 minority report on

00:58:50.720 this one, because

00:58:51.440 there's much of what

00:58:53.500 you said I resonate

00:58:54.440 with, some of it I

00:58:55.460 would respectfully push

00:58:56.280 back a bit.

00:58:56.980 In that, just

00:58:57.820 historically, think

00:58:59.020 about Canada, whether

00:59:01.840 it's, let's say

00:59:02.860 roughly 120 years

00:59:03.880 ago, and America

00:59:05.620 120 years ago, you

00:59:07.400 had equally high

00:59:10.120 numbers of

00:59:10.660 immigration, and

00:59:11.540 actually, proportionately

00:59:12.500 actually higher

00:59:13.000 numbers, considerably

00:59:13.900 higher, coming from

00:59:15.000 Eastern Europe, Central

00:59:16.060 Europe, Northern

00:59:16.480 Europe, non-English 0.77

00:59:17.440 speaking countries, and

00:59:19.700 moving to communities

00:59:21.380 where, whether it was

00:59:22.500 urban settings, where

00:59:23.400 they were ghettoized, or

00:59:24.400 whether it was fully

00:59:25.040 rural settings, like

00:59:25.920 some of my ancestors in

00:59:27.040 Saskatchewan, and their

00:59:29.680 descendants were as

00:59:30.900 Canadian as Canadian

00:59:31.800 can get.

00:59:32.420 So, I'd push back a

00:59:34.100 little bit there, and

00:59:35.440 argue that, I think

00:59:37.620 there's a pretty strong

00:59:38.780 empirical case to be

00:59:39.660 made that the best

00:59:40.220 Canadians are

00:59:40.720 immigrants, but where I

00:59:41.660 would agree is, yes,

00:59:44.320 you are right, that

00:59:45.260 we're not thinking

00:59:46.080 through what does it

00:59:46.660 mean to be Canadian,

00:59:47.860 and how do we

00:59:48.880 appropriately integrate,

00:59:50.160 and also, too, we have

00:59:51.480 a research paper that's

00:59:52.200 coming out very quickly

00:59:53.200 here on housing and

00:59:54.260 immigration, and how

00:59:55.900 much of the housing

00:59:57.080 crisis is because

00:59:58.180 there's virtually no

00:59:59.080 limit on the amount

01:00:00.420 of immigration, and

01:00:01.240 we're very much

01:00:02.140 pro-immigration, but

01:00:03.440 you can't have, for

01:00:04.660 example, we go from

01:00:06.180 120,000 post-secondary

01:00:09.820 students who are from

01:00:11.040 overseas roughly 10

01:00:12.460 years ago, to today,

01:00:13.740 it's well over a

01:00:14.420 million, and where's the

01:00:17.260 housing to accommodate

01:00:17.940 that?

01:00:18.480 Like, just basic,

01:00:19.320 practical, no one's

01:00:21.200 thought this through,

01:00:21.900 and where those

01:00:22.400 students are attending,

01:00:23.220 like, I teach at one of

01:00:24.360 the public universities

01:00:25.460 here in Metro

01:00:26.000 Vancouver, there's no

01:00:27.420 dormitory, it's a

01:00:28.700 major university, no

01:00:29.820 dormitory, easily

01:00:31.120 90% of my students are

01:00:32.360 international students.

01:00:33.440 Where are they living?

01:00:34.600 Where's the housing?

01:00:36.140 So I agree that there

01:00:38.220 is a tension there, and

01:00:39.760 although personally and

01:00:41.920 as an organization, I'm

01:00:44.700 very much of the view

01:00:45.500 that the best Canadians

01:00:46.940 tend to actually be

01:00:47.600 immigrants, and the

01:00:48.820 contribution they made,

01:00:49.860 they punch above, but I 0.66

01:00:51.440 100% agree that we have

01:00:53.480 not, the present

01:00:55.000 government, and frankly,

01:00:56.500 much of the present

01:00:57.340 culture, has not thought

01:00:59.220 through how to do this

01:00:59.960 well, and as a result,

01:01:02.660 you are right, there are

01:01:04.000 some serious issues, and

01:01:04.960 you gave some excellent

01:01:06.220 examples of some serious

01:01:07.520 issues that they do not

01:01:08.920 have a plan to rectify,

01:01:10.100 absolutely.

01:01:11.180 Right, and I'm going by

01:01:12.740 the fact that I'm not

01:01:13.940 talking about maybe

01:01:14.940 traditional immigration,

01:01:16.100 I'm talking about what

01:01:17.120 we've been seeing in the

01:01:18.260 last five to ten, well,

01:01:20.900 even, like I say, 15, 20

01:01:22.900 years ago when my kids

01:01:23.840 were in school, because it

01:01:26.240 was already becoming a

01:01:27.240 crisis then, there were

01:01:28.260 many parents that were

01:01:29.560 complaining about it, or

01:01:31.120 I don't want to say

01:01:31.740 complaining about it,

01:01:32.580 concerned about it, because

01:01:34.040 the classroom was being

01:01:35.700 held back.

01:01:36.340 Now, I happen to be, I

01:01:38.760 happen to be one of those,

01:01:39.820 from one of those

01:01:40.360 immigrant families, my

01:01:41.480 mom, her four brothers,

01:01:42.440 and my grandmother came

01:01:43.300 from the Netherlands, and

01:01:44.740 they were trying to speak

01:01:45.600 English before they came 0.99

01:01:46.660 to Canada, they were so

01:01:48.100 grateful to be accepted,

01:01:49.720 and my mom said, when we

01:01:51.500 were in public, we refused

01:01:53.320 to speak Dutch, we would

01:01:55.100 speak English, and I would

01:01:56.380 say, mom, why would you

01:01:57.160 do that?

01:01:57.540 She says, out of

01:01:58.340 respect for the

01:02:00.440 Canadians around us, and

01:02:02.280 they worked hard.

01:02:04.640 They wanted to be fully

01:02:06.380 immersed in the culture,

01:02:07.380 they were so grateful to

01:02:08.560 be here, and they worked 0.66

01:02:10.060 hard, they never got any

01:02:11.140 handouts from the

01:02:11.840 government, I mean, it

01:02:12.800 was really hard work.

01:02:13.580 Now, I did come across

01:02:14.660 those parents in school

01:02:16.240 as well, and the kids

01:02:17.060 that were excelling were

01:02:18.620 the ones, immigrant 1.00

01:02:19.580 parents, who ended up

01:02:20.920 getting their, first they

01:02:22.660 were speaking English in

01:02:23.660 the home, they understood

01:02:24.600 the, how important that

01:02:26.400 was, and plus they were

01:02:27.900 giving them extra

01:02:28.720 tutoring to excel, because

01:02:31.140 they'd come in.

01:02:31.880 I look at the reverse and

01:02:32.900 have empathy, if I was to

01:02:34.140 have to move for some

01:02:35.100 reason into a new country

01:02:36.800 and learn a new language

01:02:37.820 and immerse my kids in

01:02:38.900 that culture, it would

01:02:40.540 just be, you know, a

01:02:42.080 difficult thing to do, and

01:02:43.100 I understand that, but if

01:02:44.540 there's no full

01:02:45.360 expectation, this is an

01:02:47.780 area where we do have to

01:02:50.020 put a focus on to make

01:02:51.960 sure that all kids are

01:02:53.740 able to excel and

01:02:55.220 succeed, and because

01:02:57.140 these are the leaders of

01:02:58.060 the future, they're going

01:02:59.680 to hold up our economy,

01:03:00.800 or lack thereof.

01:03:02.900 Yeah, and the history,

01:03:06.180 history has to stay all

01:03:07.660 things Canadian.

01:03:09.760 But okay, well, if anybody

01:03:12.760 has any questions, now is

01:03:14.160 the time to post those.

01:03:15.880 I think we've covered a lot

01:03:17.320 of information.

01:03:18.660 I'm very pleased to see, I

01:03:20.480 do want to ask you one

01:03:22.380 more question about the

01:03:23.700 independent schools.

01:03:24.840 They're being heavily

01:03:26.020 lobbied by government

01:03:28.700 institutions, let's say,

01:03:30.520 within the independent

01:03:31.440 label community, and now

01:03:34.520 the private schools are

01:03:36.740 taking government financial

01:03:38.040 incentives, making

01:03:39.480 accommodations, and

01:03:41.000 bringing in the social

01:03:43.040 agenda.

01:03:44.320 Do you have any response

01:03:45.640 or any stats or anything

01:03:46.920 to say on that?

01:03:47.940 Yes, yes, they're very

01:03:49.100 happy to respond.

01:03:51.840 So in terms of funding, I

01:03:53.140 would answer that in two

01:03:53.880 ways.

01:03:54.440 So first and foremost, if

01:03:56.080 we're going to fund any

01:03:57.740 students, it's for very

01:03:59.420 much the rationale that you

01:04:00.420 literally just gave in terms

01:04:02.040 of, no, like, we don't want

01:04:03.400 kids falling through the

01:04:05.180 cracks.

01:04:05.980 These are not just future

01:04:07.500 leaders, like future

01:04:08.300 citizens.

01:04:09.660 And it's much more than

01:04:11.420 just economic arguments that

01:04:13.100 can be made there, as you

01:04:15.200 rightly pointed out.

01:04:16.300 So there's that piece that

01:04:18.300 again, Johnny down the

01:04:19.380 street, his education or the

01:04:20.960 lack thereof really matters.

01:04:23.360 So that's the justification

01:04:24.220 for funding any student.

01:04:25.580 Well, if we're going to be

01:04:27.220 funding any student, why

01:04:29.420 why would that funding not

01:04:31.120 follow Johnny to wherever

01:04:32.400 whatever school is a best

01:04:34.460 fit for Johnny?

01:04:35.640 And so that's where you have

01:04:36.860 jurisdictions like the

01:04:37.960 Netherlands, where there's

01:04:40.460 there's well over 30 totally

01:04:43.000 different school systems, not

01:04:44.740 just schools, but school

01:04:45.920 systems with radically

01:04:48.140 different approaches to

01:04:48.840 learning and there are

01:04:50.980 pros and cons.

01:04:52.060 But the reality is that you

01:04:53.820 as a parent, as a student

01:04:55.140 can decide what's the best

01:04:56.640 fit for you.

01:04:58.020 And 95 percent of the

01:04:59.440 funding follows you to where

01:05:01.040 you want to go.

01:05:01.600 And increasingly, that is

01:05:03.740 what you see around the

01:05:04.660 world in advanced economies

01:05:06.680 and advanced democracies in

01:05:07.980 the United States.

01:05:10.280 And there's a tidal wave

01:05:11.140 sweeping that nation for the

01:05:12.740 last, oh, probably four or

01:05:14.200 five years.

01:05:14.700 And it's just gaining speed

01:05:15.920 where what are called ESAs,

01:05:17.540 education savings accounts.

01:05:19.600 And it's a bit of an awkward

01:05:20.920 name because it's more like a

01:05:22.360 debit card where here's the

01:05:24.820 amount of money that's per

01:05:26.680 student being allocated in the

01:05:28.200 public system that for the

01:05:29.720 most part is being wasted and

01:05:30.960 it's actually not making it

01:05:32.000 into the education system.

01:05:34.100 It's filling an ever-growing

01:05:36.080 bureaucracy.

01:05:37.060 But take that money and let's

01:05:38.660 just send that directly to the

01:05:39.900 parents.

01:05:40.820 Let's have mechanisms in 0.94

01:05:42.540 place to mitigate against

01:05:44.180 fraud and whatnot.

01:05:45.400 But that's not too hard to do.

01:05:47.060 Take the debit card and spend

01:05:48.460 it on what you think is best.

01:05:49.920 Of course, appropriately

01:05:50.560 allocated, there'd be a

01:05:54.060 handbook specifying what you

01:05:55.020 can and can't spend money on.

01:05:56.120 The point being, whether it's

01:05:57.200 for tuition at a private

01:05:58.900 school, whether it's for

01:05:59.960 homeschooling, because heck,

01:06:01.360 if you could hire a tutor,

01:06:03.200 that's, again, with parents,

01:06:05.360 one-on-one, that is the best

01:06:06.360 form of education.

01:06:07.160 So take those resources and

01:06:09.600 frankly, if every family was

01:06:11.880 doing that, you could reduce

01:06:13.740 the education spending by an

01:06:16.500 order of magnitude.

01:06:17.880 We're not cutting it in half.

01:06:18.980 You could bring it down easily,

01:06:21.040 90%, while increasing the

01:06:23.720 quality of education, also

01:06:25.580 probably by an order of

01:06:26.620 magnitude, although that may be

01:06:27.740 a slight exaggeration, but you

01:06:29.060 could probably double outcomes.

01:06:30.440 I don't think that would be too

01:06:31.640 far off, given how poor they are

01:06:32.820 right now.

01:06:33.400 Double outcomes while cutting

01:06:34.640 costs by 90%.

01:06:35.620 If that funding followed.

01:06:37.120 Now, the second piece, there

01:06:38.800 are strong arguments against

01:06:40.240 funding.

01:06:41.340 And the rationale being, as you

01:06:44.660 said, there tend to be

01:06:46.320 strings attached.

01:06:47.980 And so there's that old saying,

01:06:49.500 how does it go?

01:06:50.220 I'm going to screw it up.

01:06:51.220 The Piper calls the tune or

01:06:53.440 something like that.

01:06:56.680 And there is something to that.

01:06:58.200 There's actually more than

01:06:58.880 something to that.

01:07:00.300 But that's where, in a free

01:07:02.040 society, you should be allowed to

01:07:03.160 reject the funding.

01:07:05.740 But then the question comes down

01:07:07.340 to, again, so if the funding is

01:07:09.460 not following students, and if I

01:07:11.220 don't have the option to reject

01:07:12.940 either way, well, then you're

01:07:14.600 paying twice.

01:07:15.540 If you go the Christian school 0.99

01:07:17.280 route, or even if you go the

01:07:18.300 homeschool route, because you're

01:07:19.200 paying these exorbitant taxes to

01:07:21.540 fund a system that you're not

01:07:22.700 participating in.

01:07:24.340 So, yeah, there are strong

01:07:26.460 arguments on both sides.

01:07:28.140 What I would say is if funding is

01:07:29.560 going to follow any student, let

01:07:31.860 them follow that student, and

01:07:33.500 let's stop pouring money into a

01:07:34.960 monopoly where there's virtually

01:07:37.120 no accountability, so waste is

01:07:39.100 rampant, and frankly, much of

01:07:41.380 what is being taught is not

01:07:42.400 effective, just from a basic

01:07:43.760 ABC's 1, 2, 3's perspective,

01:07:45.660 but then also, ideologically,

01:07:47.440 you're eroding the very

01:07:48.280 foundation of this country.

01:07:50.040 Right, and within that education

01:07:52.080 system now, we've got these

01:07:53.660 activist unions who are not

01:07:56.840 representing parents or children

01:07:58.560 anymore as well.

01:07:59.540 So, it really is sending our

01:08:02.420 dollars in the wrong direction.

01:08:04.460 And like you say, if you accept

01:08:06.900 funding, then often you're

01:08:08.600 obligated to teach government

01:08:10.180 objectives, including their

01:08:12.080 social programs.

01:08:13.640 So, it has to be defined that

01:08:16.940 the control is completely in the

01:08:19.860 hands of the parents, and that's

01:08:20.980 where getting good elected officials

01:08:22.320 in and making these changes is what

01:08:24.960 is needed.

01:08:25.720 Now, my final question is going to

01:08:27.200 be, I was thinking about this,

01:08:28.500 because we're encouraging

01:08:29.800 homeschooling, and with our

01:08:32.220 chapters nationwide as well, we

01:08:34.140 are getting in touch with

01:08:35.720 churches, asking them to open up

01:08:38.520 their doors so homeschooling

01:08:39.740 parents can even come together.

01:08:41.940 Fathers can show all the kids how

01:08:44.160 to do an oil change.

01:08:45.600 Some moms can do baking. 1.00

01:08:48.780 One woman said to me, she goes, I 0.58

01:08:50.360 can't do mathematics, but I can

01:08:52.000 butcher a chicken. 0.62

01:08:53.840 And in other words, I can show them

01:08:55.420 how to butcher a chicken, and I'm

01:08:56.940 like, okay, but you know that they

01:08:59.220 can share their gifts and talents in

01:09:01.160 bringing up their kids and raising

01:09:02.540 them as a community.

01:09:04.040 But is there any statistics on or who

01:09:07.900 shouldn't homeschool their children? 1.00

01:09:10.600 Have you come across anything like

01:09:12.620 that?

01:09:13.620 That's a very good question.

01:09:16.080 I would not frame it that way, and I

01:09:19.320 don't know if others have.

01:09:21.140 But the way I would frame it is that

01:09:24.760 some can't.

01:09:27.320 For example, if you're a single

01:09:29.640 parent, and perhaps you're also a

01:09:33.480 low-income single parent, you're not

01:09:34.860 working one but two jobs, just to get

01:09:37.020 food on the table, just to live, just

01:09:39.180 to survive.

01:09:40.320 Well, homeschooling is probably out of

01:09:41.680 the question, and that's where I do

01:09:44.300 believe there is a strong role for

01:09:46.400 Christian schools.

01:09:47.140 And if you look historically, how did

01:09:50.560 the first Christian schools, which of

01:09:51.660 course were Catholic schools, how and

01:09:53.760 where did they first emerge?

01:09:55.340 It was always in the urban cores to

01:09:58.360 serve the poor.

01:09:59.640 And it was those for whom homeschooling

01:10:01.740 was not on the table whatsoever, or

01:10:03.720 maybe there isn't a mom and dad.

01:10:06.480 That's why the Catholic schools

01:10:09.020 initially were founded, and then other

01:10:11.500 Christian schools followed.

01:10:12.500 So initially it was to serve the poor,

01:10:14.300 and frankly, I think that is a bit of a

01:10:17.000 slap in the cheek.

01:10:17.840 How much of anything that we do

01:10:18.960 anymore is for the sake of serving the

01:10:20.660 poor?

01:10:22.640 Increasingly, much of what Christian

01:10:24.200 schooling, and particularly Catholic

01:10:25.320 schooling, has become, can be a bit

01:10:27.980 of an elite club, and serving the

01:10:30.820 upper middle class.

01:10:31.800 And that can often be what happens in

01:10:33.580 the pews.

01:10:34.260 That's our target market, is the upper

01:10:36.000 middle class.

01:10:37.440 So there is a strong role for

01:10:40.220 schooling for that reason.

01:10:42.300 So that's how I would frame it, but

01:10:45.540 homeschooling is optimal.

01:10:47.220 So if there's that opportunity, and

01:10:49.480 like you talked about, cooperatives,

01:10:51.740 various communities, we're working

01:10:53.120 with other homeschool families, that's

01:10:55.300 very, very, very common.

01:10:57.520 I know few homeschool families that

01:10:58.960 don't do something like that.

01:11:00.680 And frankly, that experience can be

01:11:02.360 much richer than almost any kind of

01:11:04.100 schooling.

01:11:05.540 And I think with that in mind as well,

01:11:08.500 this is a point where I really want to

01:11:10.140 encourage grandparents.

01:11:13.220 We are in, I keep saying, a 9-1-1

01:11:15.640 crisis, and so many grandparents are

01:11:17.920 what they dreamed about in retirement

01:11:20.680 is shifting.

01:11:22.960 And, you know, they're needed, very, very

01:11:25.460 much needed to be participating in the

01:11:28.480 family unit and helping their kids in

01:11:30.620 whatever way they can to accomplish this.

01:11:33.300 And I love it within a church community as

01:11:35.500 well, because, you know, some people are

01:11:37.640 in some very dire situations with their

01:11:39.820 own family.

01:11:40.360 It could be very dysfunctional or abusive

01:11:42.180 and they need support.

01:11:44.600 And that support system needs to come

01:11:46.740 from within.

01:11:48.540 And so anyways, yeah, that was a very

01:11:50.840 good conversation.

01:11:52.220 David, so to our viewers, I really hope

01:11:54.140 that this has benefited you.

01:11:55.480 Please make sure that you share this

01:11:58.640 Rumble video when we upload it tomorrow

01:12:02.000 and help as many parents that you know

01:12:04.640 within your community, help them to make

01:12:06.780 this decision for the fall, because we

01:12:10.920 know that this is only going to continue

01:12:12.520 in the fall, but we continue to battle

01:12:14.420 on behalf of children in the public

01:12:16.460 school system.

01:12:17.640 So if you can't, you know, remove your

01:12:20.300 children, just know that we're going to

01:12:21.600 fight until all of this propaganda is

01:12:24.360 completely removed from the education

01:12:26.840 system.

01:12:27.640 And for anybody else, we continue to

01:12:29.360 encourage you, remove your kids best you

01:12:31.320 can.

01:12:31.660 So David, any closing words for our

01:12:34.760 viewers?

01:12:36.420 I guess just two things.

01:12:37.920 First and foremost, thank you very much

01:12:39.420 for having me.

01:12:40.020 I've really appreciated this.

01:12:41.240 I've really enjoyed our time together.

01:12:42.920 Secondly, just piggybacking off a comment

01:12:46.060 you just made.

01:12:47.680 When you initially homeschool, it is

01:12:49.980 actually harder than you thought it

01:12:51.980 would be.

01:12:52.720 But that window passes, that season

01:12:54.720 passes.

01:12:55.320 It's like anything else you do.

01:12:56.560 You get good at it.

01:12:58.000 And you really do.

01:12:59.160 So if initially you start homeschooling,

01:13:01.040 you're like, what did I get myself into?

01:13:03.480 Trust me, as someone who's been there,

01:13:05.760 has experienced that feeling, you do

01:13:08.240 get good at it.

01:13:09.020 It does come.

01:13:09.800 And so be patient with yourself and with

01:13:11.140 your kids and with how your household

01:13:13.480 will have to adjust as a result.

01:13:14.920 So I just encourage, if you can pull it

01:13:16.620 off, it's a very good option for you and

01:13:19.800 your whole household, your whole family.

01:13:21.800 Well, I think that is a great

01:13:23.480 encouragement to end the show on.

01:13:25.160 That's what people need to hear.

01:13:26.680 I can't do this.

01:13:27.700 It's like, yes, you can.

01:13:29.080 It'll be tough, but you'll get through

01:13:30.700 it.

01:13:31.040 And that's why you have a homeschool

01:13:32.300 community as well, because you have

01:13:34.340 other parents that can help encourage

01:13:36.480 you also.

01:13:37.400 So, David, thank you so much for being

01:13:39.220 on the show.

01:13:39.800 Keep up the great work.

01:13:40.780 We're going to be looking into your

01:13:42.100 stats and reviewing them.

01:13:43.980 There's a few on there of great interest.

01:13:46.400 We might have you back on the show

01:13:47.580 again to talk about some more

01:13:49.640 information that's outside of education

01:13:51.620 and into maybe the history of this

01:13:53.680 country.

01:13:53.980 That would be fantastic.

01:13:57.060 So, God bless you and the work that

01:13:58.460 you're doing.

01:13:58.980 Thank you.

01:14:00.100 Thanks so much, Tanya.

01:14:01.960 Thanks.

01:14:03.200 All right.

01:14:03.920 Well, thank you so much, everybody,

01:14:05.440 for joining us for this Empower Hour.

01:14:07.780 Next week, Maxime Bernier will be

01:14:09.620 joining us on the Empower Hour.

01:14:12.020 We're going to talk about the foreign 1.00

01:14:14.100 interference, nationalism rising.

01:14:16.340 I've been reporting on what's happening

01:14:17.720 in Europe and the UK.

01:14:19.340 It's very exciting.

01:14:20.800 It's a ripple effect that's coming to

01:14:22.500 Canada, but we've got work to do.

01:14:24.320 They've been working for decades in

01:14:26.440 Europe, in the UK to have a result such

01:14:29.700 as they've had in a recent vote,

01:14:31.940 recent election.

01:14:33.380 They have the European Union election

01:14:35.040 that's coming up on July 4th.

01:14:37.160 So, more to come there.

01:14:38.320 So, I'm excited to have Maxime on the

01:14:40.400 show and just tap into a little more

01:14:42.820 of the heartbeat of Canada and see where

01:14:45.200 we're at as well as this national,

01:14:48.500 some people call it the populist

01:14:50.060 movement.

01:14:50.460 I call it a Christian nationalist movement

01:14:53.040 rising up in Canada.

01:14:54.180 People are really seeing the benefit

01:14:56.880 of traditional values again and

01:14:59.600 returning to those values.

01:15:00.860 I'm very grateful for that.

01:15:02.640 All right.

01:15:03.140 The Bible verses as well.

01:15:05.520 I think just because we've been talking

01:15:07.700 about education and who is going to

01:15:09.580 influence your children.

01:15:11.200 1 Corinthians 15.33 says,

01:15:13.840 Do not be misled.

01:15:15.420 Bad company corrupts good character.

01:15:17.880 And when you're homeschooling children,

01:15:19.720 you actually have a little better

01:15:20.800 control on who your kids are going to

01:15:22.260 come in contact with.

01:15:23.680 So, that's another benefit.

01:15:25.300 And the final verse that I will close on

01:15:28.320 this portion of the show is from

01:15:30.440 Colossians 2.8.

01:15:32.160 Don't let anyone capture you with

01:15:34.480 empty philosophies and high-sounding

01:15:36.820 nonsense that come from human thinking

01:15:39.300 and from the spiritual powers of this world

01:15:41.940 rather than from Christ.

01:15:43.720 We've been hit very hard with a socialist

01:15:46.540 agenda that is just completely removed

01:15:49.240 from God and we're suffering the

01:15:51.940 consequences of that.

01:15:53.180 So, we want to encourage people to

01:15:55.900 recognize the value of being blessed to

01:16:00.020 live in a nation founded on Christian 1.00

01:16:02.180 values and principles.

01:16:04.020 And even for those who are unbelievers,

01:16:06.140 you will not have this kind of freedom

01:16:07.760 and democracy anywhere else in the world

01:16:10.240 where they don't practice faith.

01:16:11.700 So, be encouraged.

01:16:13.440 This is the way to win this battle

01:16:16.140 and then as well to get really good

01:16:18.020 people elected into office.

01:16:20.300 So, I hope you'll support us.

01:16:21.420 Please support us financially.

01:16:23.400 Send us a check in the mail.

01:16:25.060 I mean, we can't keep this battle going

01:16:27.080 without your financial support.

01:16:28.700 So, thank you so much.

01:16:29.980 God bless you and God bless Canada.

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01:17:11.140 Welcome to Tonya.

01:17:13.120 God.

01:17:17.960 That's what I got to see.

01:17:19.880 Look at this crowd.

01:17:24.360 I'm going to thank God and God alone

01:17:28.500 for the ground that I'm standing on.

01:17:31.500 I'm going to thank our founding fathers

01:17:38.160 for giving their lives

01:17:40.460 and sacrificing so much for our freedom.

01:17:46.880 And I'm calling on you today.

01:17:50.200 Don't put them to shame.

01:17:52.240 Don't waste what they did.

01:17:54.320 We have guaranteed rights in this country.

01:18:05.140 We are putting chapters across the nation.

01:18:08.580 We are going to be in every town

01:18:10.480 and every city

01:18:11.700 and we are going to build communities

01:18:14.420 within these communities

01:18:15.580 of like-minded people

01:18:17.020 who are actually going to care for one another

01:18:19.400 again and love on each other

01:18:20.860 and give each other the help

01:18:22.600 when they're down.

01:18:24.220 We are going to use the teams

01:18:27.000 and the people that build within chapters

01:18:28.960 to support our businesses.

01:18:31.900 The government's actions

01:18:33.340 are completely, 100% unlawful.

01:18:38.440 Judgment will again be found on justice

01:18:41.540 and those with virtuous hearts

01:18:44.620 will pursue it.

01:18:46.460 You have a virtuous heart

01:18:48.580 if you are here today

01:18:49.980 pursuing freedom and righteousness.

01:18:54.060 And that verse 23

01:18:55.900 comes along with a promise.

01:18:58.860 God says,

01:19:00.120 He will turn the sins of evil people

01:19:02.720 back on them. 0.99

01:19:04.480 He will destroy them 1.00

01:19:06.700 for their sins. 0.99

01:19:08.360 I take great comfort in that

01:19:12.040 because I serve a mighty living God

01:19:15.800 who has allowed us

01:19:18.000 to go through this season of discomfort

01:19:21.340 because we as a nation

01:19:23.140 have turned our backs on Him

01:19:25.340 and we need to get right.

01:19:28.560 So I am just going to thank you so much.

01:19:32.240 I'm going to say God bless you

01:19:34.220 and God bless Canada.

01:19:38.360 Thank you.

01:20:08.360 Thank you.

01:20:38.360 Thank you.

Action4Canada - June 20, 2024

Homeschooling vs Public⧸Private Education With Tanya Gaw & David Hunt

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