Action4Canada - Jocelynn Rodrigues： Abortion Regret We Need A Law

00:00:00.000 There's a sonograph picture and it was one of the hardest things to go look at those records and see

00:00:03.920 that. It's like the only picture I have of my child. It's a misnomer to say well you know what

00:00:08.560 should I do because that child's already in existence. Your life starts to get gray and you

00:00:13.760 disconnect with things. Things you found joy in doing are not as joy inducing. It's not doing the

00:00:18.000 woman any favors to get an abortion. So you know when people are proclaiming from the rooftop that

00:00:22.960 this is female empowerment, it's not female empowerment to end the life of your own child.

00:00:27.760 we're made with an innate desire to care for and love our children and whether we want to pretend

00:00:34.400 it's a cluster of cells or not on a level it we know it's our child and there is grief from that

00:00:41.040 choose life because life is a blessing and you will be blessed by that life and you won't regret

00:00:46.320 it the reality is too that i didn't know i was already a mother at eight weeks at conception i

00:00:51.920 I was already a mother.

00:00:58.960 Hello, Action for Canada friends.

00:01:00.920 We're so glad you've joined us.

00:01:02.360 A warm welcome to you.

00:01:03.720 We're so grateful to have you as a part of our community.

00:01:07.280 Our guest speaker this evening is Jocelyn Rodriguez, and the title of tonight's show

00:01:12.700 is Abortion Regret.

00:01:14.700 We Need a Law.

00:01:16.840 Please be aware that some of the material we've been going over tonight is graphic.

00:01:20.820 in case you have children or sensitive-natured people watching.

00:01:25.060 It's Wednesday, May 13th, 2026, and this is the Empower Hour.

00:01:31.860 Action for Canada is a national movement reaching out to millions of Canadians

00:01:36.220 and uniting our voices in opposition to the destructive policies tearing at the fabric of our nation.

00:01:42.860 Through call-to-action campaigns, we educate, equip, mobilize, and empower citizens to take action.

00:01:49.600 We are committed to protecting faith, family, and freedom.

00:01:55.160 Coming up this Saturday, May 16th, is the Conception Crossroad Conference at Riverside Calvary Chapel in Langley, British Columbia.

00:02:04.000 This informative event runs from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., and the moral, spiritual, and cultural issues surrounding conception and the sanctity of life will be addressed.

00:02:14.200 This conference will equip and encourage attendees to respond with truth and compassion in a culture that is disconnected from God's design for life.

00:02:24.460 Topics will include understanding birth control, the truth about the abortion pill, abortion pill reversal and second chances, in vitro fertilization and big fertility, political engagement and practical ways to uphold and to defend the sanctity of life in today's culture.

00:02:43.200 Tanya Gaw is one of the keynote speakers, so we encourage you to attend this important event if you're able.

00:02:49.480 Be sure to head over to our website for more information.

00:02:54.240 If this is your first time joining us, it's my pleasure to introduce you to Tanya Gaw, the founder and leader of Action for Canada.

00:03:01.540 For over 10 years, Tanya has been bringing public awareness to the many serious issues facing our nation, including tonight's topic concerning abortion.

00:03:11.660 Will you all please help me welcome Tanya Gaw, Valiant Defender of the Unborn.

00:03:16.240 Hello, Tanya.

00:03:17.440 Hello, Heather, and thank you for that.

00:03:19.440 Yeah, tonight is going to be a very important topic.

00:03:21.760 I am so grateful that I met Jocelyn just over a week ago and the courage of this young woman and the willingness for her to come on tonight and give her testimony.

00:03:32.080 This subject that we're talking about on abortion is critical to our nation's health and welfare,

00:03:41.360 our spiritual welfare, and it is a topic that has to become more and more of a headline

00:03:47.220 in the legislatures, in the House of Commons.

00:03:50.520 I don't think people understand how much this issue impacts what is actually happening to Canada right now

00:03:59.740 as Christianity is under assault and we're at risk of losing our sovereignty.

00:04:06.200 From starting 11 years ago, I came out the door and I've been relentless in saying

00:04:12.200 how important it is to proclaim Canada as a Christian nation and that that is key to our sovereignty.

00:04:18.540 It's key to our freedoms. Non-Christian nations do not experience freedom.

00:04:23.040 They live under oppression. And so these are the only ones that Christian nations,

00:04:29.240 European Christian nations are the only ones that have the freedoms and democracies that we've

00:04:33.780 been able to enjoy for nearly just over 150 years. But man, has it been under assault in 11 years.

00:04:40.680 One of the reasons is because we're killing 100,000 babies in the womb every year. Let that

00:04:46.280 sink in for a moment. This is becoming as if it's just normal. It's being normalized in society.

00:04:52.060 It is a taboo issue in Canada. We are one of the only developed countries with no abortion

00:04:57.240 legislation, and understand that it isn't just the Liberals, NDP, Bloc Quebecois, who are blocking

00:05:04.860 abortion legislation. It is also the Conservative Party. The only two party leaders who are willing

00:05:12.140 to put forward legislation is Maxime Bernier with the People's Party of Canada and Rod Taylor with

00:05:18.300 the Christian Heritage Party. Why do people keep voting the party line as far as the Conservatives

00:05:23.460 are concerned, because this is like a curse on our nation. Because we are so far outside of God's

00:05:30.460 will on that and bringing on all these false gods and false teachings. There's no such thing as this,

00:05:36.740 all these different religions. We've got to name it. These are false gods that are coming in here.

00:05:42.060 These are demonic forces. And God is a jealous God. He says, you shall have no other gods before

00:05:46.840 me. And so, you've got the altar of bell that we're sacrificing our children to, not only in

00:05:53.220 the womb, but in the classroom. So, unless we are ready to genuinely repent and put that repentance

00:05:59.680 into action, there is a good chance that Canada, as we've known it, will be crushed and destroyed.

00:06:06.860 And so, Canadians got to rise up. And that's what this evening is about. This is about

00:06:11.240 bringing attention to a matter that is so critically important to the security and the

00:06:19.440 heritage of Canada and us moving forward and passing on something beautiful to the next

00:06:25.040 generations that we really, really need to have this tough conversation. As Heather said, we've

00:06:31.300 provided a warning. There's a couple of videos that I'm going to be playing that have graphic

00:06:36.860 content because they actually describe the processes of abortion. And I want you to just

00:06:43.820 know under current issues in our menu, the very top one is abortion. I would highly recommend that

00:06:50.940 you listen to this abortion doctor, ex-abortion doctor, as it says here, leaves Congress speechless.

00:06:57.400 That is not the one I'm going to play tonight, but he talks about what that implement in the hand,

00:07:02.620 in his hands right now does to babies. We're talking third trimester to full term and just

00:07:11.380 you know what they do to the limbs and the babies aren't receiving any kind of pain medication as

00:07:18.280 they go through this process. This is a living being inside a mother's womb. So if you go down

00:07:23.760 our page, there's some good information here. I do need to build on this page. I'd highly recommend

00:07:29.420 if you have not watched it, watch Unplanned. This is a riveting movie exposing the abortion

00:07:34.820 industry, and this young woman has done an amazing job. She worked in abortion clinics,

00:07:41.040 and she could no longer continue once she saw, tragically, what was happening to these babies,

00:07:47.280 even babies being born alive and left in these cold steel bowls to die. It's criminal, it's dark,

00:07:55.200 It's demonic. And it's time that we do something about this. This, again, is a crazy person

00:08:02.080 working in the abortion industry. I don't know how they justify this, but it needs to be addressed.

00:08:09.560 And so this is the video today that I'm going to play for you. I'd also encourage you to come

00:08:15.440 and listen to John Kennedy's challenge to four women in the abortion industry, trying to get

00:08:23.080 them to just answer a simple question about how they feel about full-term abortions. And man,

00:08:30.580 do they dance around it. How can anybody reasonably support this? And so we'll just start here

00:08:39.020 with Representative Gill in the United States. And so, you know, I may have videos from the

00:08:44.500 United States. We have some from Canada as well. But just understand, this is the methods. These

00:08:49.740 are four methods of abortion, and I don't want anybody shutting the volume off. I don't want

00:08:55.800 anybody turning their head away right now, because we cannot continue to do this. You need to

00:09:00.980 understand this is not a woman's right to choose or a method of reproductive health, all right?

00:09:09.480 It's dark, and it needs to stop. You're an advocate for abortion, for abortion policy.

00:09:15.480 what's your favorite type of abortion I am an advocate for patients having

00:09:21.420 access to the full realm of reproductive health care but do you have a preferred

00:09:25.680 method of abortion that you that you like I do not I mean read through a

00:09:31.160 couple different methods and I want to get your take on on how much you like

00:09:34.520 these the first type is called a suction abortion this is when the cervix is

00:09:41.920 dilated and a strong suction 29 times the power of a household vacuum cleaner tears the baby's

00:09:48.320 body apart and sucks it through the hose into a container do you prefer that method i stand by my

00:09:54.640 former testimony that sounds kind of gross doesn't it sounds pretty gruesome do you agree it does

00:10:03.200 to me i stand by um how i answered your question fully and accurately okay what about this one

00:10:08.160 one is called deletion and curatage um after deletion of the cervix a sharp looped knife is

00:10:14.800 inserted into the uterus the baby's body is cut into pieces and extracted often by suction uh do

00:10:22.080 you prefer that method what i believe we are here to talk about today is the face act we are not

00:10:27.760 here to i'm asking you you're a pro-abortion advocate i'm asking if you prefer the deletion

00:10:32.640 Delation and curatage method.

00:10:34.560 I am an access to reproductive health care advocate.

00:10:38.540 You don't want to talk about abortion itself.

00:10:41.400 Why is that?

00:10:42.180 I would prefer to talk about the reason that the committee called the hearing.

00:10:45.100 Is it because it's uncomfortable to talk about?

00:10:47.700 It should be uncomfortable.

00:10:49.760 I would prefer, if you would let me finish my statement, to talk about the Freedom of

00:10:53.760 Access to Clinic Entrances Act, which is what I was asked to come here.

00:10:57.200 What that access gets.

00:10:58.760 How about this one?

00:10:59.460 It's called delation and evacuation.

00:11:02.600 Forceps are inserted into the uterus, grabbing and twisting the baby's body to dismember him or her.

00:11:08.420 If the head is too large, it must be crushed in order to remove it.

00:11:12.740 Do you prefer that method?

00:11:14.340 I would prefer to talk about the reason the hearing was called and the basis of my expert testimony.

00:11:19.380 It's uncomfortable to hear this, isn't it?

00:11:22.420 It is. I think it is because it's barbaric and evil.

00:11:25.800 How about this one? It's called the saline injection.

00:11:28.980 It's when a 20% salt solution is injected through the mother's abdomen into the baby's amniotic fluid.

00:11:35.880 The baby's skin is burned off.

00:11:37.940 The baby ingests the solution and dies of salt poisoning, dehydration, and hemorrhaging of the brain.

00:11:43.780 Do you prefer that method?

00:11:45.680 I would prefer to talk about the subject of the hearing.

00:11:48.500 This is the subject of the hearing.

00:11:50.140 This is about protests outside of abortion clinics.

00:11:52.620 I'm asking you about abortion.

00:11:55.420 I stand by my prior testimony.

00:11:57.340 Okay, so the reason I'm playing this is because you may think that there's one style of abortion that's worse than the other style of abortion, that there's some way to do a humane abortion. And you can hear that there really isn't. I'm actually quite tempted to play the other video because we get one chance at this.

00:12:18.100 I don't see this conversation being held.

00:12:22.140 If you think it's not happening in Canada, a link that Jocelyn has provided to me,

00:12:27.800 and I'm going to be updating our abortion page to include this information.

00:12:32.400 And so Right Now has created these videos where they've gone undercover,

00:12:38.220 specifically addressing late-term abortions.

00:12:43.000 And in the first video I watched today, you know,

00:12:45.980 it's just shocking to hear how the individuals in this can close their hearts and their minds

00:12:50.600 to even what's coming out of their mouth. I'm like, what if they were recorded and actually

00:12:55.040 heard that? Would that change their position on this as if, you know, they're talking about 24

00:13:01.040 months term abortion? And what does that look like? And I'm going to be playing another video

00:13:09.700 where you'll see what the size and development is of a baby that's 21 weeks old and then have

00:13:15.560 that determination. But you know what, you guys, I am. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to play

00:13:19.920 this video as well. Dr. Levett, you know, we'll begin with you. Welcome. Thank you. Now, again,

00:13:24.940 understand that this is an abortion doctor. So I don't know how many hundreds or thousands of

00:13:31.120 abortions that he's done. I'm going to ask you to send this to your elected officials. That's why

00:13:37.200 I'm going to play this tonight and the other one on the page. Maybe send them one a week and then

00:13:41.940 ask them if they would respond to you as to what their position is now on abortion.

00:13:49.000 Chairman and members of the committee, I only have five minutes, so I'm going to get right to it.

00:13:54.980 Second trimester D&E abortions perform between roughly 14 and 24 weeks of gestation.

00:14:00.980 Your patient today is 17 years old. She's 22 weeks pregnant. Her baby is the length of your

00:14:07.120 hand plus a couple of inches and she's been feeling her baby kick for the last

00:14:11.500 several weeks but she's asleep on an operating room table you walk into that

00:14:15.880 operating room scrubbed and gowned and after removing laminaria you introduce

00:14:20.080 a suction catheter into the uterus this is a 14 French suction catheter if she

00:14:25.380 were 12 weeks pregnant or less basically the width of your hand or smaller you

00:14:29.000 could basically do the entire procedure with this but babies this big don't fit

00:14:33.560 through catheters this size. After suctioning the amniotic fluid out from

00:14:37.880 around the baby, you introduce an instrument called the SOFR clamp. It's

00:14:41.660 about 13 inches long. It's made of stainless steel. The business end of this

00:14:45.440 clamp is about two and a half inches long and a half inch wide. There are rows of

00:14:49.040 sharp teeth. This is a grasping instrument. When it gets a hold of

00:14:52.160 something, it does not let go. A DNA procedure is a blind abortion, so picture

00:14:56.960 yourself introducing this and grabbing anything you can blindly and pull, and I

00:15:01.340 I do mean hard, and out pops a leg about that big which you put down on the table next to you.

00:15:06.860 Reach in again, pull again, and pull out an arm about the same length which you put down on the

00:15:12.380 table next to you. And use this instrument again and again to tear out the spine, the intestines,

00:15:17.540 the heart, and lungs. Head on the baby that size is about the size of a large plum. Can't see it,

00:15:24.060 but you've got it if you've got your instrument around something and your fingers are spread

00:15:28.660 about as far as they go. You know you did it right. If you crush down on the instrument,

00:15:32.920 white material runs out of the cervix. That was the baby's brains. Then you could pull out skull

00:15:37.280 pieces. And you have a day like I had a lot of times, sometimes a little face comes back and

00:15:41.840 stares back at you. Congratulations. You just successfully performed a second trimester D&E

00:15:47.060 abortion. All right. So do you understand why I want you to take these videos? I want you to send

00:15:53.540 to every single sitting MP, to your Minister of Health, to your MLAs, anybody that's supporting

00:16:05.420 it, to your mayors and city councils that are wanting to put abortion zones in so that people

00:16:12.280 can't pray outside abortion clinics. This is a conversation that's not spoken about.

00:16:17.780 These are the details that we're not hearing about, and that's why I'm bringing it to the

00:16:22.080 forefront today. And so, Heather, would you please bring on our precious guest? And I'm looking

00:16:28.880 forward to hearing her testimony. Thank you. Thank you, Tanya. We are delighted to welcome

00:16:35.940 Jocelyn Rodriguez to the Empower Hour this evening. Jocelyn's story is profoundly personal

00:16:41.800 as she shares her experience of having an abortion when she was 28 years old and the regret that

00:16:48.060 followed. Like so many women, Jocelyn made her abortion decision without being fully informed.

00:16:55.140 She was led to believe that the baby in her womb was only a cluster of cells, not a tiny human

00:17:01.040 being created in the image of God, complete with unique DNA and a beating heart. Jocelyn's

00:17:07.680 compassionate testimony invites us to look beyond slogans such as my body, my choice, or

00:17:14.460 reproductive health care, and she highlights the urgent need for abortion legislation,

00:17:21.440 informed consent laws, and stronger protections for mothers and their unborn children. Will you

00:17:27.680 all please help me welcome Jocelyn Rodriguez. Hello, Jocelyn. Welcome to the Empower Hour.

00:17:34.360 Hi, thanks for having me. Thank you, Heather. It's such an honor to meet you last week. I

00:17:39.560 really believe it was the Lord's timing as we move in tomorrow for the March for Life and the other

00:17:45.640 events that are constantly being spoken around, not just in these next few days. But this needs

00:17:51.060 to be a conversation people need to be having all year round and pressing forward for a law.

00:17:57.500 And so I just look at you, you're courageous. And I can't wait for people to hear your testimony and

00:18:02.900 how the Lord got a hold of your heart. And this is what we need to pray into other people's

00:18:07.080 lives as well. I want people who are listening who may have had an abortion and are feeling the

00:18:13.940 regret to hang until the end. We're going to give you encouragement. There is hope. The Lord loves

00:18:18.900 you. And we know how many people have been deceived by thinking this is some little cluster

00:18:25.220 of cells that's, you know, in your stomach, not having informed consent. But it's time for things

00:18:32.320 to shift. And so I just want to hand the floor over to you so that we can hear your testimony

00:18:38.640 tonight. All right. Well, thank you. Thanks so much. And thanks for showing those videos. They

00:18:43.860 are hard to see, but I can't help but think of, I do sidewalk ministry by the abortion clinic in my

00:18:49.560 city outside the bubble zone because we have bubble zones, unfortunately. And there's a woman

00:18:55.460 that's been coming to protest us and she has a sign that says, it's your choice. And I'm just

00:19:00.000 thinking of her when I'm seeing that because it's like that that that's not a choice and that's a

00:19:06.100 child that has life and is made in the image of God but you know even more extreme is that that

00:19:13.220 could have been me on the sidewalk protesting as well because yeah I wasn't always a believer

00:19:17.560 um for 34 years I rejected the Lord actively um and I wasn't necessarily pro-choice I don't think

00:19:27.880 I would have said I was pro-choice per se. I don't think that I was necessarily a hardcore

00:19:35.640 advocate, but I definitely would have, if asked, I would have probably said it's a difficult

00:19:45.660 decision and I hope I'm never in that situation and I don't know. And yet then I was in that

00:19:53.380 situation, but let me go back a bit to the beginning, I guess, um, to just give some

00:19:58.080 context of my story. And hopefully I saw a message that people are having a hard time hearing me. So

00:20:02.340 hopefully you can hear me. Um, but yeah, so I, when I was younger, I was put in a, in church,

00:20:09.040 um, like our family went to church, but it was, I think more of a formality structure,

00:20:14.180 not actually because of a relationship with Jesus. Um, and so, you know, there was no Jesus in the

00:20:21.940 home. I do remember praying as a kid to God. And so I do believe I had some type of relationship,

00:20:29.960 but then at a certain point, my family had said, you know, you can decide if you want to keep going

00:20:33.940 or not. You're old enough. I don't remember how old I was at that point, but I didn't really see

00:20:39.560 the point in going. And so I decided not to for a few, a few different reasons. And interestingly,

00:20:45.920 one of the reasons, too, was that we had gotten a pastor that seemed to be anti-gay, which is

00:20:52.700 interesting because it was United Church, and the United Church now is very affirming, and that

00:20:56.480 church specifically now is definitely affirming. But at that time, there seemed to be that situation,

00:21:02.000 and it kind of came up because my sister had been in the youth group, and she had asked a question

00:21:06.060 about what happens to gay people because she had a friend that was gay, and she had basically just

00:21:12.140 said, they go to hell. That was at least what she came home and told us. And, um, I mean, there's a

00:21:18.220 lot to unpack around that. If someone's asking that question, I feel like that's not a helpful

00:21:22.320 answer. Like, let's talk about, well, why are you asking that question? And like, okay, what do we

00:21:25.700 know about God? And like, what does the Bible say? Um, certainly it is a sin, but you know,

00:21:29.540 there's so much more context, but anyhow, that's what she had heard and came back saying. And so

00:21:34.200 at the time, you know, I was little, I didn't know too much about anything except that I was

00:21:39.340 like, well, I don't want to be part of something that seems not loving and exclusive. So I decided

00:21:45.620 I didn't want to be part of it. And then I really latched onto, I guess, what the world has said

00:21:50.600 about Christianity and just had a distaste for it. And that grew over the years. I did still

00:21:56.920 have questions though, like, why are we all here? And what happens when you die? And I didn't really

00:22:01.740 have answers for that. And then, you know, in school, learning about the first law of thermodynamics,

00:22:06.560 that energy can't be created or destroyed that really led me to latch onto energy as a concept

00:22:11.940 and that further then led me into the new age as i got exposed to new age teachings um fairly

00:22:19.740 innocently um you know being exposed to the movie the secret and just this understanding that there

00:22:25.800 might be this knowledge that is has been hidden and that we can find it and that intrigued me

00:22:30.660 because i was looking for truth i was trying to understand why are we all here and it made sense

00:22:36.060 that, well, we were energy. And so, yeah, when you die, you must just change into something else.

00:22:40.740 And so it started to blend into all this new age stuff and it aligned with my thinking. And I kind

00:22:47.780 of just picked and choose from everything that I saw. If it resonated, great. If it didn't,

00:22:52.640 then I didn't want it, but certainly wanted nothing to do with Christianity. And as I got to be

00:23:00.540 shortly after high school, I guess, I really started to get confused about my sexuality.

00:23:06.800 I started to think that maybe I was a lesbian.

00:23:10.820 I didn't really know, and I wanted to know who I was.

00:23:14.760 Again, having no biblical foundation, I didn't know that I was to look to Him for who I am.

00:23:20.600 So I was looking to the world, and I was following my feelings, which are based on—well, they're constantly changing, and they're not based necessarily on truth or fact.

00:23:30.260 Feelings are fickle, and many times we feel something, and then we later look back and we're like, oh, I was wrong.

00:23:34.980 because feelings, yeah, they're not, they're not objective truth. They're subjective. And so

00:23:39.520 I was basing my identity on my feelings. So my identity constantly kept changing. So I started

00:23:44.440 thinking I'm a lesbian. And then I was like, well, wait, if I still like guys, then maybe I'm

00:23:48.380 bisexual. And then it was like, well, no, I don't care about the gender. I care more about the

00:23:52.960 person. And plus there's more than two genders. So I must be pansexual. And then I thought, okay,

00:23:59.120 but like, who would I actually marry a man or a woman? I was really confused about that. And then

00:24:04.580 I thought, well, maybe I'm polyamorous. I don't have to pick one or the other. I can marry both.

00:24:10.240 And then I thought, well, no, that's, no, I'm not comfortable with that. I'm monogamous.

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00:27:04.200 What's interesting to me in all of that too, though, is this desire underneath that all to be authentic and not lie.

00:27:10.900 because i would get dreams in my in my you know early 20s where i would wake up and think i must

00:27:18.260 be a lesbian and at the time i remember i was dating a guy and i remember thinking i must be

00:27:22.340 deceiving myself and him and i believed the lie that your dreams tell you your innermost truth

00:27:28.180 and so i figured well man this must be who i am and i need to figure this out and so my desire

00:27:33.300 was to be authentic and not lie which i really see as that actually is like a christ-like desire to

00:27:39.060 I mean, to not want to lie, that's a commandment. And to be authentic, the problem is that I didn't

00:27:44.520 have the proper foundation and everything was just open before me. And I didn't know the boundaries

00:27:49.880 and the design, the good design that God had laid out. And so I was just testing everything,

00:27:55.140 trying to see what stuck. I don't think that's proper grammar, but anyhow, just to see what

00:28:01.220 made sense and who I could actually be. And so it was very destabilizing because,

00:28:07.620 like I'd mentioned, it kept changing and I really had no peace in that. And, uh, I got deeper into

00:28:15.240 the new age. Uh, I moved to Vancouver. I'm from Calgary, but I moved to Vancouver in 2010 and I

00:28:20.160 lived there for seven years and, um, I moved there for work, but it was also because it was a more

00:28:25.080 progressive place and I could be who I fully was is how I felt then and figured I'd make up for

00:28:30.580 lost time. So I was just immersed in the LGBTQ community, um, and getting deeper into the new

00:28:36.720 age. And it was while I was living in Vancouver, when I was 28 years old, I was dating a guy at

00:28:41.800 the time and we'd been dating for about a year and I ended up getting pregnant. And, um, that's

00:28:47.920 2016 is the year that really everything, everything changed. And it's a year that now forever, when I

00:28:54.120 see that year anywhere, it stands out. It's, it's a very significant year. And I'm sure it will

00:28:59.360 always be like that, despite the fact that the Lord has done a tremendous healing. And I'm so

00:29:05.200 grateful. It's a demarcation point, you know, life-free abortion and life post-abortion. And so

00:29:11.620 my thoughts at the time when I got pregnant, I mean, I was surprised. I was not expecting to

00:29:17.880 get pregnant. And I didn't see a future with the man that I was with. And so I thought, well,

00:29:24.020 I don't want to bring a child into brokenness, into a broken family, which is also interesting

00:29:28.960 to me because I do, again, see that as this desire for God's good design, which is that a child be

00:29:33.760 raised with a loving mom and dad who are in a marriage union. And I didn't have that, and so I

00:29:39.640 didn't want that. But unfortunately, the enemy, like, distorted that to say, well, if you can't

00:29:43.720 have that, then you should kill your child. Because obviously, that's God's best case scenario,

00:29:48.680 but God's not saying, well, if you don't have that, then, you know, abort your child. That's

00:29:52.740 not at all godly or truthful that child is a blessing and is um made in the image of god but

00:29:58.680 i didn't i just hadn't i didn't have that awareness i didn't have any understanding of the word of god

00:30:03.680 and so that's sort of where my brain went with that and then um i also thought well i can barely

00:30:10.060 parent myself like how am i supposed to care for this child so i was a little bit you know unsure

00:30:14.400 about that and because i was still struggling with a lot of just like emotional difficulties

00:30:20.260 and, you know, feeling like I didn't belong, not knowing who I was. I thought about adoption for

00:30:26.680 a moment, such a brief moment. And I kind of concluded that I didn't want my child to think

00:30:33.620 that mom or dad didn't love him or her, which, you know, I didn't know anything about adoption.

00:30:37.700 I didn't even really know anyone that had been adopted. I believed these like lies and myths.

00:30:41.240 And I know now that that's simply not true, that adoption is difficult. There's definitely

00:30:46.240 difficulty with it, but it's a beautiful sacrificial act of love that the mother would

00:30:50.620 do. And it certainly is a sacrifice because the other thing I thought was, and it was a selfish

00:30:56.260 thought, was how can I carry this child for nine months and then place him or her in the arms of

00:31:00.280 someone else? Like, I'm going to get attached. And so in most of these instances, I was looking

00:31:05.240 to protect my child and that my child would feel loved and supported and be given the best possible

00:31:10.460 avenue for life to flourish. And yet, obviously, I was confused and misled because,

00:31:18.760 you know, the conclusion then was that, well, abortion made the most sense is obviously

00:31:23.040 illogical because here I am trying to protect my child. But in this tragic irony, my child

00:31:29.000 needs protection from me who would end up going to get the abortion. And so, unfortunately,

00:31:33.680 I didn't have anybody. Well, I didn't really tell anyone about the abortion. I really only told

00:31:37.860 the father. And then I told a couple of friends, my one friend was pregnant at the time. And we

00:31:44.280 had actually been discussing how far along she was each week and, Oh, what size is the baby now?

00:31:49.180 What size is the baby now? So it's so fascinating to me, the level of dissonance and compartmentalization

00:31:55.240 where it's like, that's a baby, but what I have is in a baby yet. Cause I haven't decided what I

00:31:59.180 want to do. Um, you know, none of this was necessarily conscious, but that's what was

00:32:03.220 happening and then I the other friend I told had you know I told her over text and I didn't really

00:32:08.820 like the response I got it felt like she didn't care so I said something like you know never mind

00:32:12.680 it's okay you don't get it and then she said well I do get it because I've had one and I thought

00:32:16.740 whoa because I didn't know anyone that had an abortion and so I remember with that it almost

00:32:21.040 neutralized it a bit or normalized it because it was like okay well I mean she seems relatively

00:32:26.760 okay and she's had one she never talked about it being like a negative thing and yet now that I'm

00:32:31.840 where I am now. And I've seen, you know, the ramifications that abortion caused and all of

00:32:36.660 the symptoms that come with having an abortion, the post-abortive stress. I look at her life and

00:32:41.340 I'm like, oh man, this is why you're struggling in this area, in that area. And I never knew before.

00:32:46.520 And so I find that interesting. But again, I just, I didn't know any of this at the time.

00:32:51.360 And, you know, I didn't tell my parents. I think I just thought I was embarrassed. I don't know.

00:32:56.340 I just didn't, I didn't want to talk to them about that, which, you know, I, I, I wish I had, but I

00:33:02.360 didn't. And, um, yeah, I just, I basically booked the appointment and in my head too, I, I, and it's

00:33:10.500 funny how these things develop because I didn't even know where they came from, but I mean the

00:33:14.480 culture, plus I was very steeped in feminist ideology. Um, and so I picked it up from somewhere,

00:33:21.080 but I had this notion that there were pro-life people out there with that were going to try to

00:33:24.780 guilt me into, you know, choosing different and that we're going to lie to me. And I better make

00:33:28.840 sure I call the right place because if I call the wrong place, they're going to, you know, guilt me

00:33:32.320 into something. And I actually did accidentally call, I think, a crisis center because I remember

00:33:37.440 on the phone, I went to the parking lot of my work because I didn't want anyone to hear me

00:33:41.520 making this call. And I remember he, I don't exactly remember the conversation, but they said

00:33:47.620 something that indicated to me that they didn't refer for abortion. And that was my clue to be

00:33:51.060 like, Oh, I called the wrong place. These are not the right people. So I just hung up the phone

00:33:54.940 and I look at that and I'm like, wow, I feel like that was the Lord trying to intervene,

00:33:58.480 but my heart was so hard. So I proceeded to call the abortion clinic and book the appointment.

00:34:03.360 And I think it was like a week or so that I not, not that long that I waited for the appointment.

00:34:08.180 And in that waiting period, I would have thoughts. Am I killing my child? But then I would be like,

00:34:13.380 no, maybe that's just what the pro-life people want you to think. Cause they've, you know,

00:34:16.520 they're just manipulating you. But I remember Googling it online, searching it. And I found

00:34:21.040 a really obscure new age website that, by the way, I found the same explanation more recently

00:34:26.740 on a local abortion clinic website. I don't know if it's still there, but I found it there and I

00:34:31.920 thought, wow, what was once on an obscure new age website is now on the abortion clinic website.

00:34:35.940 That's, that's interesting to me. But what it said was basically like the soul knows it's not

00:34:40.720 the right time. It'll go back to where it came from. Like, no worries. You know, you, you got

00:34:45.480 to do what's best for you and it's all good. And so that gave me a counterfeit piece and it aligned

00:34:50.540 with my distorted new age thinking at the time. And so I went, I went ahead with the abortion and

00:34:56.520 yeah, it was, it was definitely, I mean, yeah, I, it was a decision I obviously regret now,

00:35:06.220 but at the time I think I just was, was glad to get it over with, so to speak, and not be in this

00:35:12.280 like decision crisis point and to at least have made the decision. And I had really bad morning

00:35:18.940 sickness. So I had relief there. But when I went, I remember I sat in a room and I thought, okay,

00:35:23.640 they're going to now force me to go through all of these, like, you know, make sure I've thought

00:35:28.040 about my options, but they didn't do any of that. Um, and at the time I was glad because I was like,

00:35:33.280 I don't want to, I already know what I want and this is what I want. I mean, I don't know how I

00:35:36.900 knew that's what I wanted. Cause I didn't even know what I was about to go do, but they sat me

00:35:41.620 down and they're like, they wanted to make sure I wasn't being coerced by my boyfriend. I said,

00:35:45.000 no. Um, and they asked how I was feeling and I was nervous cause I've never done this before.

00:35:49.100 And I don't particularly like, you know, medical interventions in general. So I was nervous and

00:35:55.560 they tried to normalize it by saying, well, don't worry because the tool we use, cause so I was

00:36:01.180 eight weeks and, um, I was eligible for the pill, but I didn't want to take the pill because they

00:36:07.200 told you, they told me that you would then have to go home. And, you know, if you were bleeding

00:36:11.840 too much, then you got to go to the emergency, but you know, you just got to keep an eye on that.

00:36:15.980 And I was like, I don't want the responsibility for that. And, and I don't want to be doing this

00:36:19.180 at home. Like you guys just need to take care of this kind of thing. And for the horror stories

00:36:24.700 I've heard from the pill, you know, I'm grateful is a weird word to use because I wish I had never

00:36:30.440 done any procedure. But it was interesting because they were really pushing for the pill,

00:36:35.080 probably because it's easier from their perspective. But anyhow, when I was in the

00:36:38.900 counseling room. They said, well, you know, don't worry because the, you know, the instrument that

00:36:43.080 we use, it's the same one we use on pregnant women once they've had the baby and we just,

00:36:47.520 you know, we go remove the excess blood. So, and at the time it did bring me a sense of peace

00:36:51.680 because I thought, okay, it's, it's, you know, it's the same, same tool. Um, this is, this is a

00:36:57.180 common procedure. Um, but I mean, I really didn't know what I was saying yes to. And, you know, I,

00:37:03.440 I got my records later, six years later, once I came to faith and I, I called the clinic back to

00:37:08.600 get my records. And I see on there that it says confident indecision. And I signed, you know,

00:37:14.100 the other paper. And I thought, well, that's, that's fascinating because I mean, I didn't

00:37:18.460 really know what I was saying yes to. I did say yes. I take responsibility for what I did. I

00:37:23.080 definitely signed the paper and I said yes. And I've repented for that, but it's just,

00:37:28.320 it's just interesting because they didn't really tell me what was going to happen and what was

00:37:31.700 going on. And I really did think that it was, you know, a cluster of cells and, you know,

00:37:37.340 no bigger than a lentil. And when I did get those records six years later and I looked at them and

00:37:42.380 I saw that there's a procedure pre-procedure scan that they do, which I guess I knew because when I

00:37:47.300 was in the procedure room, the doctor came in and said, okay, we're going to do a vaginal ultrasound

00:37:52.480 to confirm your gestational period. And then I'll go ahead. And I said, okay. And they'd given me

00:37:57.400 something fentanyl or something, which is crazy to me, but I guess that's what they do in hospital

00:38:02.880 settings, which has a bit of an amnesic effect. So I don't remember a ton, but that was calming

00:38:09.560 me down. So I was mostly just like chill thinking, I remember thinking, wow, this feels good. I don't

00:38:14.880 know why I was nervous to get some of the meds. Cause I even had said like, don't even, I don't

00:38:18.000 even know if I want meds. Like I don't want to be, you know, I don't know. I just, I don't like

00:38:22.220 taking medications. So they were like, Hey, we'll just give you a little bit. But anyhow, there was

00:38:26.840 the pre-procedure scan. And what I saw in my records was that there was two boxes, one for

00:38:32.360 fetal heartbeat and one for fetal motion. I wasn't far along for their instruments to detect

00:38:39.020 fetal motion. I believe there probably was fetal motion. But the fetal heartbeat was checked.

00:38:44.980 And I thought, wow, I had no idea that my baby had a heartbeat. A cluster of cells does not have

00:38:50.860 a heartbeat. A lentil doesn't have a heartbeat. Why did nobody tell me this? And under that

00:38:56.220 pre-procedure scan was the picture of my eight-week-and-three-days-old sonograph. And I thought,

00:39:01.900 wow like i never saw my baby i i didn't even know like why didn't anyone show me this and i i wonder

00:39:08.400 i mean i know my heart was hard but i'd like to think that if i knew that that was a baby with

00:39:13.040 a heartbeat and that i could see him or her on the screen that that that might have you know

00:39:17.440 caused me to think for a second like what am i doing but i didn't know any of that and i saw that

00:39:22.600 six years later after the procedure and i only realized that i should call the clinic and that

00:39:27.260 there might be something because i was watching the movie unplanned that tanya had mentioned and

00:39:31.140 there's a scene in it where she goes and she looks at her own abortion records and she sees

00:39:34.760 there's a sonograph picture. And I thought, oh man, is there a picture of my baby in my records?

00:39:40.820 And I was just like, immediately go to email them and get them. And it was one of the hardest

00:39:45.140 things to go look at those records and see that. But I'm so thankful that I have it because it's

00:39:49.700 like the only picture I have of my child. So I think at the very least, this is something that

00:39:56.020 women should be required to see and know that a heart starts beating at 21 days. I didn't know

00:40:01.760 that. And I mean, even before, that's when it's detectable. I believe it's beating from the

00:40:07.800 beginning. And even if you can't detect it, and even if there is no beat, we know that life begins

00:40:13.160 at conception. So, you know, that's really critical. But I realize I think I need to maybe

00:40:20.920 wrap up my testimony here, but I'll just give a brief brief on like kind of how I came to faith

00:40:27.980 because after this happened, I really started to spiral and get darker and deeper into the new age

00:40:33.140 because I was trying to find healing. I'd actually gone back to the clinic four months after the

00:40:37.020 procedure because I was like, something's off. Like I was like kind of okay, but now I'm not

00:40:40.840 okay. And I'm wondering if it's related and they did not connect the dots. They were like, everyone

00:40:45.420 has their own experience, but like, what else is going on in your life? And at the time I was like,

00:40:49.040 I don't know if I should be dating guys or girls. I don't even know if I should be working where I'm

00:40:52.640 working. And I had a lot going on. And so they focused on that. And I left there thinking,

00:40:56.520 okay, this, that I'm feeling doesn't have to do with the abortion. So I never, I just put it away

00:41:01.820 and I continued to try to seek healing, go deeper into different new age modalities. I became a

00:41:07.080 Reiki master. I was doing all sorts of crazy things, like pretty much everything in the new

00:41:11.340 age that is there. I did it. I tried it. And it was this constant striving and this fleeting piece,

00:41:17.940 but I thought, well, I'm getting some peace. So this must be good. I'll just keep doing this

00:41:21.900 because I didn't know the true peace of Jesus. And then praise the Lord because he just found me

00:41:28.220 because I was so against Christianity. Like I can't even begin to describe how against I was,

00:41:33.020 but praise God that he pierced through my hard heart and the darkness that I was in.

00:41:36.620 And he did it through music and he did it through someone telling me it's about a relationship,

00:41:40.980 not a religion. And actually the father of the child that I'd aborted, we kind of connected as

00:41:46.380 friends and he had come to faith. So he was actually sharing the gospel with me and I was

00:41:50.560 debating him. I did not even want to hear it from him because I was just resistant to Christianity,

00:41:54.740 but he was persistent and he was praying for me. And I'm so thankful for that. And we would have

00:41:58.700 debates, but my heart was softening. And then I met someone playing soccer in front of my house

00:42:03.260 and he invited me to a youth group on a Friday. And this was now, so this was October, 2021. So

00:42:10.220 we're like in COVID times, we're like super isolated because of choices that I had made

00:42:15.600 And just, you know, those were crazy times in general.

00:42:17.980 And so I was like, oh man, get to hang out with people.

00:42:21.400 Okay.

00:42:21.780 Even though these are like church people, I don't know if they're even going to accept

00:42:24.340 me because I'm LGBTQ, but I went and the Lord was just continuing us off in my heart.

00:42:30.460 And it all kind of culminated in a moment at my kitchen table shortly after that youth

00:42:33.840 group service where I was trying to understand God's love and that we love because he first

00:42:38.400 loved us.

00:42:39.620 And, you know, even one of the songs that like, he's a good father, that's who he is

00:42:42.940 and who I am is loved by him.

00:42:44.400 that was such a new way to understand that like my identity could be that i'm loved by him

00:42:48.580 and at this time by the way i hadn't shared but i shortly after the abortion i actually started to

00:42:55.040 think that maybe i wasn't even a woman at all and i started to present as a man as trans masculine

00:42:59.860 not a full-on man but i knew i wasn't i didn't think i was a woman and i was using they them

00:43:04.140 pronouns i almost took testosterone and i did get approved for top surgery but praise the lord i

00:43:09.520 never went through with it. And so I was looking very masculine and LGBTQ and all of this. And so

00:43:15.960 even this notion that like, I was his daughter was like, if anyone else called me daughter,

00:43:20.460 like my mom tried to call me daughter on a birthday card, I would cringe, but that he was

00:43:24.320 calling me daughter was so different. And he was drawing me to him. And in a moment at my kitchen

00:43:29.660 table, I just realized, God, you're who you say you are. And I just, it just realized like it just,

00:43:34.120 the scales removed from my eyes. And I started weeping because I thought, what is this love,

00:43:37.880 this great love of this father who pursues me, even though I've been actively rejecting him for

00:43:42.440 so many years. And I was just overcome with gratitude. And then I realized how terrible I

00:43:48.040 was and how far I'd strayed. So then I'm saying like, I'm sorry. And I'm going back and forth

00:43:52.320 saying, thank you. I'm sorry. And I'm weeping. And I just have this peace come within me.

00:43:56.960 And I knew that this is like, whoa, like this is a peace I don't have to work for,

00:44:01.560 that I don't have to strive for that I'm going to have regardless of what I do.

00:44:04.500 and it was the true peace of God. And I felt these hands braced behind me. And I just, I knew that in

00:44:10.880 that moment that everything else I had been doing in the new age was a counterfeit and that like,

00:44:15.940 everything was clear. And then the Lord started really speaking to me that, you know, marriage is

00:44:20.540 between one man and one woman, that you're a woman, then that's a good thing. And I made you

00:44:24.440 that way. And that life is sacred from the moment of conception. And he helped me. He walked me

00:44:30.280 through what I had done, the sin of abortion, so gently, so lovingly, and helped me to grieve that

00:44:35.900 and process it with me. And he helped me understand that I actually had a daughter and he gave me her

00:44:41.400 name. And like, man, God is so good. And that I can even share any of this without being like

00:44:46.700 broken on the floor is because of his grace and his goodness. And Psalm 34, 5 says that those who

00:44:52.160 look to him for help will be radiant with joy and no shadow of shame will darken their faces.

00:44:56.520 and also Colossians 1, 13 to 14, that He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and brought

00:45:02.340 us into the kingdom of His Son in whom we have redemption and the forgiveness of sins. That's

00:45:07.600 just like what He did for me and what He wants to do for all His people that He loves. And He's a

00:45:12.980 good Father. And yeah, I'm so grateful for Him. That is an amazing testimony, Jocelyn, and I am

00:45:21.560 truly so grateful that you have shared this journey with us. I know some people in the chat

00:45:27.280 were saying, you know, I'm pro-life and this is hard to listen to. And it should be, right? Because

00:45:35.100 this isn't what God's design was. I love the Bible verse that talks about how God created us in our

00:45:40.360 mother's womb, like He knows us intricately, planned on us before time began. And it's sin

00:45:45.660 that comes into the world that messes everything up.

00:45:48.780 And I know that we as an organization have really addressed the SOGI,

00:45:55.500 sexual orientation and gender identity, comprehensive sexuality education,

00:46:00.100 and them coming into the school system and indoctrinating our children

00:46:04.000 and removing them, moving them away from a life of purity

00:46:07.720 so that they can come to a point where once again,

00:46:12.840 that, you know, we wait until marriage to have sexual relations.

00:46:18.480 And the sexual revolution started with the father of the sexual revolution,

00:46:24.300 which was Alfred Kinsey, back in, you know, the 40s, 50s, 60s,

00:46:28.840 towards the 60s is really when it began to unleash.

00:46:32.740 Laws were changed, but a breakdown in society.

00:46:36.640 We have the evidence to prove that abstinence, that waiting till marriage,

00:46:41.020 leads to the healthiest marriages, stronger marriages, a stronger society, and being firm

00:46:49.560 in your faith so that you can raise your children in the way they should go, and when they're old,

00:46:54.980 they will not depart from it. So there is a really major, big, as Klaus Schwab said,

00:47:01.840 we need a great reset. Just not Klaus Schwab's kind of great reset. We need to get back to God

00:47:07.880 as a society so that we can protect our children young people like yourself you know who are who

00:47:14.820 were just open to all these white woke ideologies that were hitting society to remove them I'm

00:47:22.340 going to say it from Hollywood to remove them from the classroom and that you know if people

00:47:27.140 in adulthood want to have these conversations have at it but we need to give our kids the

00:47:31.460 best chance possible to be you know strong and healthy and thrive and focus on what matters

00:47:36.760 what's important as they move into adulthood yeah absolutely so yeah what do you think

00:47:46.660 i was curious to know like i know that you mentioned a few things like maybe if you

00:47:51.460 knew that your child had a heartbeat if somebody had said do you think that

00:47:56.040 informed consent like if somebody had sat down with you probably like if you were at a pro-life

00:48:03.040 clinic they would have sat down and said this is actually what transpires during abortion they

00:48:09.140 would have educated on you but an abortion clinic is an industry a money-making industry that's why

00:48:16.720 they're in the classrooms with Planned Parenthood teaching kids about sexuality and promiscuity

00:48:22.520 because that leads to you know more customers in the abortion clinic but if the abortion clinic

00:48:28.340 was forced to have given you a full education on the process and what was happening might that

00:48:34.120 have changed your mind would that have been helpful i mean it's hard for me to say in general

00:48:39.860 because my heart was so hard but i i don't think it would have hurt i think it would have been i

00:48:43.880 mean just in general it's not real choice if you don't have all the information so just if we if

00:48:49.980 we even want to use the the pro-choice rhetoric well that's not even a choice then and it's

00:48:55.680 interesting to me because if you go get any other surgery or any other medical procedure,

00:49:00.560 if there's even like the smallest percent chance of something, they're telling you because it's

00:49:04.440 a liability to not. And so it's fascinating to me that in this domain, it's like, and I think they

00:49:10.840 think, well, we're just going to protect them because, you know, they're already going through

00:49:13.740 a hard time. We don't want to like tell them everything that's going on. I mean, I don't

00:49:16.860 know for sure, but that's, that's the charitable, I guess, way to, to see it. I do believe there is

00:49:22.620 you know, obviously a spiritual dynamic at play that's wanting to keep hidden what's actually

00:49:26.880 going on. But I do think it might have helped because even when I talk about how I thought

00:49:35.080 about adoption, but I didn't really know what adoption entailed. I didn't know that there's

00:49:40.480 a wait list of people that you could have your pick of who you would choose and, and that you

00:49:45.160 can, you know, change your mind up till 10 days. I think it's 10 days after the baby's born. If

00:49:49.560 you decide you actually do want to parent. You know, I had no positive adoption stories and I

00:49:55.920 had no negative abortion stories. So I was overemphasizing the negatives with parenting

00:50:01.940 and adoption. And I was completely underemphasizing or eradicating altogether any type of negative

00:50:09.380 repercussion with abortion. And so I think had they even just told me what abortion really is,

00:50:15.020 I think that would have been important. And even, I mean, the emotional impacts of it too,

00:50:19.360 I later found a study that I think was in the British Journal of Psychiatry, and it said that 80 or 81% of women who have abortions experience things like depression, anxiety, PTSD, suicidality, alcohol and drug abuse. And I experienced all of those except drug abuse. And I thought, well, man, that's a pretty high percentage. Why did no one actually tell me that?

00:50:42.440 Like, so, yeah, I think that's definitely, bare minimum, very important.

00:50:48.360 Right, yeah, I know that when I was a very young girl, I was about 16 years old, I had

00:50:52.620 somebody close to me who had had an abortion, and I can tell you it's affected their whole

00:50:58.560 life.

00:50:59.460 And the griefs, some dysfunctions, you know, a Christian person as well.

00:51:07.160 So knowing that the Lord forgives, but unless you really, I think, go through a really healthy

00:51:13.020 process with the support of others and really look to God and forgive yourself, because

00:51:19.420 God has said, how dare you, right?

00:51:21.120 I forgive you and make you white as snow.

00:51:23.840 How dare you not forgive yourself at that point?

00:51:26.320 And I think if women really understood that that's the heart of our Father, is that when

00:51:31.620 we come before him in repentance and he forgives us, then we're made as white as snow. And yet

00:51:38.400 people still then go back and carry that again with unforgiveness towards themselves. And it's

00:51:44.180 really, it is a process. Now, this woman's right to choose is interesting because that's what's

00:51:52.660 pumped out. And you were just saying that you didn't know any negative stories about abortion,

00:51:58.260 yet you had a friend who had had one and you see the negative choices and lifestyle of that person

00:52:04.340 because there is an effect. What other effects would you say that women who go through abortion,

00:52:12.500 I know that I've seen further promiscuity to the point where it really hurts that person and their

00:52:18.240 spirit because when you become one with somebody and then you cut that relationship off and

00:52:23.300 somebody else this this all of this travels with you it's baggage it becomes baggage so is there

00:52:28.580 anything more that you could um add and i know kim is saying even some general side effects uh

00:52:35.720 for women of this process well and and i see now when i look at that friend her life and i connect

00:52:42.300 the dots but at the time i i just i didn't and so um and she was because they keep it secret women

00:52:48.740 who have abortions they keep this secret because there's shame and nobody needs to know i could do

00:52:53.160 quietly and and uh so i think that uh naming these will help others to be more compassionate

00:52:59.860 towards people who have or see the warning signs if i could say that may open up a loving conversation

00:53:05.240 with somebody who's hurting yeah absolutely i mean definitely

00:53:09.720 depression and anxiety which can look a little different in a lot of people but you know your

00:53:16.100 life starts to get gray and you disconnect with things things you found joy in doing are not as

00:53:21.100 joy-inducing. I mean, even me distancing myself from my femininity, I wonder sometimes how much

00:53:27.880 that was actually also potentially related to the abortion because on some level, I didn't want to

00:53:31.700 be associated with the very thing that allowed me to bear life in the first place. Yes, to increased

00:53:38.420 promiscuity. And there's often this sort of like replacement baby syndrome where you're so grieved

00:53:43.500 at what's happened that you want to have another baby, but then you end up being in the same

00:53:48.600 situation where you're like, oh, well, I can't have this baby. And then you get another abortion.

00:53:51.860 And so, unfortunately, that can also be really common, just kind of repeat abortions, which is

00:53:56.680 really, really sad. And yeah, you know, this whole notion about choice is so interesting to me

00:54:05.180 because, well, first of all, we're talking about two people, not just one person, but also it's

00:54:12.680 not doing the woman any favors to get an abortion. So, you know, when people are proclaiming from

00:54:17.540 the rooftop that this is female empowerment it's not female empowerment to end the life of your

00:54:22.340 own child we're made with an innate desire to care for and love our children and whether we

00:54:29.080 want to pretend it's a cluster of cells or not on a level it we know it's our child and there

00:54:35.180 is grief from that there is difficulty from that and people can certainly consciously or

00:54:41.300 unconsciously put that into the back of their mind and deny for years and years but you know

00:54:46.480 when I share my testimony often, I hear from women who say, well, thank you for sharing.

00:54:51.840 Cause I've never told anyone. I remember one of the first times I shared a woman who was in her

00:54:55.900 late eighties said, well, I've never really pulled anyone. I haven't even told my daughter

00:54:59.660 I had an abortion when I was 17 and she had tears in her eyes. And she says like,

00:55:03.160 I've never been able to tell anyone. And, and she was a Christian and she's like, you know,

00:55:07.260 I know that, you know, God's forgiving, but clearly that is something that had,

00:55:11.380 had taken a hold on her. And that because she hadn't shared it and processed it with the Lord,

00:55:16.320 It had just created this deep wound, and I do believe that the Lord does want to bring

00:55:21.820 healing and forgiveness to those who seek Him.

00:55:24.820 He doesn't want people to be weighed down by this.

00:55:26.920 That doesn't mean He's condoning it.

00:55:28.860 Obviously, if anyone's pregnant now and is thinking about it, choose life, because life

00:55:33.580 is a blessing, and you will be blessed by that life, and you won't regret it.

00:55:39.140 The reality is, too, that I didn't know.

00:55:41.320 I was already a mother at eight weeks at conception.

00:55:44.340 I was already a mother.

00:55:45.340 And so, you know, it's a misnomer to say, well, you know, what should I do?

00:55:50.500 Because that child's already in existence, so the consequences are already permanent.

00:55:54.920 I think I had this idea that, like, if I choose parenting and adoption, that's a permanence I can't walk away from.

00:55:59.900 But if I choose abortion, I can just end it and keep going with my life.

00:56:03.860 You know, that was just the notion, I think, that I had.

00:56:06.240 But that's not true.

00:56:07.420 There's a permanence no matter what.

00:56:09.000 it's just in the case of abortion that permanence is generally hidden inside the person in the form

00:56:14.120 of grief and a recognition of what you've done for the rest of your life and god is forgiving

00:56:19.160 and he has healed and he's brought so much um relief but the reality is is that my heart is

00:56:24.860 still heavy for the fact that i don't have my child and i'm very aware it's 2026 it's 10 years

00:56:30.300 uh you know that my child would have been 10 had i had her and i i i'm never not aware of that

00:56:36.940 And I've heard that from many post-abortive women, you know, they're keenly aware of their

00:56:41.280 abortion anniversary and, you know, their child's age. And, you know, when you see people with a

00:56:46.400 mom and their child or whatever, and you're like, wow, that child's about the age my child would

00:56:50.960 have been. And, you know, various things. And these are all things that, you know, it's the

00:56:55.900 reality of us living here. I do believe my child is with the Lord and I will see her again. And I'm

00:57:00.540 so thankful for that. But there's consequences to sin. And so there is a grief that stays with me.

00:57:05.300 Right. Yeah, I would agree. And the abortion as well, you can have, sorry, in adoption, I mean, is that if you had taken that route when that child hits 18, it could be where your name is listed.

00:57:20.480 There's agreements like that terms so that when that young person is an adult, they can seek you out and see if there's a relationship to be had and healing it in a time when, you know, you're mentally maybe more fit, have had a season of understanding and could even mend in a different way.

00:57:39.560 But the abortion is permanent.

00:57:41.620 Now, I just want to, we're coming to the top of the hour.

00:57:43.700 So what I want to do is I'm going to share my screen.

00:57:45.500 I'm going to play that short clip so our viewers can understand what a 21-week-old baby looks like, and then that will go back to the video I've already played for a clearer understanding on this.

00:57:58.440 I want to talk about 24 No More briefly, and I understand the concept that we need to start somewhere with an abortion law.

00:58:06.920 We agree that 24 weeks is way too late, especially after we've seen tonight, but this is the mentality around how we have to approach elected officials.

00:58:15.760 I'm thinking that if elected officials had to sit down and watch these videos and hear a testimony like yours,

00:58:21.420 that we could get a better decision, like the heartbeat bills in the United States.

00:58:26.140 And that once there's a heartbeat, you know, that that's no longer an option.

00:58:29.660 You know when you miss your period, you know something's late, you know how to test.

00:58:33.180 And all of this is available to women nowadays.

00:58:35.760 They don't have any excuses anymore to prolong that.

00:58:40.940 So we'll play this.

00:58:42.000 then I'm going to bring up the few links about the abortion pill reversal.

00:58:47.680 We'll kind of do a wrap on that.

00:58:49.740 Those links will be available.

00:58:52.020 Thousands of babies are being saved through the abortion pill reversal.

00:58:56.800 And so we'll talk about that in just a moment.

00:58:58.740 Let's take a baby at 21 weeks.

00:59:01.640 Hold up.

00:59:04.420 This is a baby at 21 weeks.

00:59:07.320 Okay.

00:59:09.540 The baby can feel pain, right?

00:59:12.000 yes and the baby's pretty developed right yes and do you know the name of the procedure that

00:59:19.680 the doctor would use to abort that baby at 21 weeks i'm not a doctor but i believe it's a dnr

00:59:26.960 it's called dilation and evacuation and then the doctor would take what's called it

00:59:32.720 the doctor would call it a sulfur clamp it's really a pair of pliers with sharp teeth on the end

00:59:40.080 And without giving the baby any pain medication

00:59:44.440 And start tearing the baby apart

00:59:46.780 Is that right?

00:59:48.620 As far as I understand the procedure

00:59:50.180 And she might start with the legs and pull them out

00:59:53.180 And the arms and pull them out, right?

00:59:55.780 And then she might go for the heart or the spine

00:59:59.120 And just pull the baby out piece by piece

01:00:01.320 Is that right?

01:00:03.440 Without giving the baby pain medication

01:00:05.480 That's what I understand the procedure to be

01:00:08.360 Okay, so then the doctor would go in and use those pliers to crush the baby's head.

01:00:14.740 Is that right?

01:00:16.660 Not as far as I'm doing.

01:00:18.100 And then she'd pull the head out, the crush skull out, right?

01:00:22.240 Senator Kennedy, your time has expired here.

01:00:25.160 Well, you gave the others one.

01:00:26.980 So I just was playing this because you could see this woman's face if you're reading this.

01:00:32.640 she's having it presented to her what actually is transpiring during this process.

01:00:40.400 And so this is 21 weeks old, all right?

01:00:43.700 This is the size of a baby as he has shown on that chart.

01:00:48.260 And so when I met Jocelyn, she has joined a group called 24 No More in Alberta.

01:00:54.060 They are desperately trying to get legislation moving there.

01:00:58.060 I would like to see it go down to the seven weeks, to the heartbeat bill, but we need something on the table.

01:01:05.640 I agree.

01:01:06.260 We need something on the table.

01:01:07.400 We need to start putting an end to this.

01:01:09.680 This is Jocelyn's website, Restored and Redeemed.

01:01:15.180 I would encourage you to look this up and to follow Jocelyn, and then this will also be added to our website because we want women to have access to this.

01:01:27.400 the abortion pill reversal. So, that means if you've taken the abortion pill,

01:01:33.920 they can actually reverse that. They can actually save your baby. And according to this, you will

01:01:39.180 see that tons of beautiful babies, thousands of beautiful babies have been saved. And I'm going

01:01:43.620 to add a praise the Lord to that. There's also Gentle Answers Podcast, which is as well,

01:01:51.100 jocelyn interviewing people so be sure to subscribe to her down in the states there's

01:01:58.360 abortion free docu series this is an official trailer and even though that they've overturned

01:02:04.740 roe versus wade abortions are abortions are still going on in uh states where abortion law is in

01:02:11.220 place uh to uh to stop abortion i mean these people are relentless and so we've got to stay

01:02:18.860 on it. We've got to work hard, and we're going to really have to press into Canada and start this

01:02:23.340 going here. Now, there's also a call for churches to become a house of refuge. I'm going to include

01:02:29.880 this on our page as well. So, we've given a lot of great information tonight. I'll just bring you

01:02:36.860 back on with me, Jocelyn, as we stop sharing screen. So, is there anything there that you

01:02:42.780 would like to add to some of the resources that I've just presented before we wrap up?

01:02:51.480 I think those are great. Yeah, if people want to go check them out and read more about them,

01:02:55.680 House of Refuge is awesome as a church because it's a way for the church to be the church again

01:03:00.100 and to speak about abortion and to be a place where people can run to when they're in crisis,

01:03:04.660 not from. And with 24 No More, yeah, I know a lot of people think, man, that's so late,

01:03:11.040 And it is so late. The reality though, is we have nothing and we've had nothing since 1988

01:03:15.420 and we got to start somewhere. And we have, we have, uh, people who are unwilling to have

01:03:23.700 conversations about this at all. Um, but 24 is something that it seems like people in Alberta,

01:03:29.360 cause this is actually provincial, um, are willing to potentially get behind to defund

01:03:33.580 abortion after 24 weeks. So definitely check that out. And if people have more questions,

01:03:37.500 they can ask me okay well that's awesome and that was a good point so it's not is it that

01:03:44.140 they're not getting abortion legislation put in in place in alberta but taxpayers are paying for

01:03:50.660 this this is coming out of our we are funding abortions just like we are funding trans surgeries

01:03:55.820 and medications and all of this to mutilate our children and so taxpayers you know we're the

01:04:00.920 majority we need to have a voice and that voice needs to show up in advance of elections i've

01:04:06.060 and going over and over this as a solution every single week.

01:04:09.580 You need to raise up good, godly leaders from within the church,

01:04:13.360 whether it's at all levels of government, municipalities, trustees, MLAs, MPPs, and MPs.

01:04:19.800 And we need to help these people get elected because we would not be in this situation.

01:04:24.700 This would not be so difficult to get legislation in place if we were electing the right people.

01:04:30.440 As I started and began at the beginning of the show,

01:04:33.420 Maxime Bernier with the People's Party of Canada and Rod Taylor with the Christian Heritage Party

01:04:39.380 are the only two parties in Canada that are willing to put legislation forward. And yet

01:04:44.720 Christians, millions of Canadian Christians continue to vote conservative who have no

01:04:50.120 interest in protecting our kids from this mutilation and the conversion therapy. They

01:04:55.040 all voted in favor of it and as well in putting abortion legislation forward. And so we need to,

01:05:00.980 as a society, as Christians, we need to get very serious about this, because once we start

01:05:07.020 being uncompromising to the Word of God, God is going to show up in ways that are miraculous.

01:05:13.880 Once we turn to Him and say, we're going to have the faith the size of a mustard seed,

01:05:17.220 we're going to trust you, Lord. We're going to start voicing this. We're going to start putting

01:05:20.820 candidates forward, and that's when we're going to start having great wins and have true momentum

01:05:26.180 on this so jocelyn is there anything further uh that you want to cover or discuss i just i just

01:05:34.260 want to show you these little models because this is the eight week it's so hard to see but eight

01:05:41.460 weeks and then 10 weeks and then 12 weeks and i just these are very precious and i i use them

01:05:50.340 in sidewalk ministry but you know i think because we forget about the humanity of that little baby

01:05:55.120 It's not just a woman's choice and her body.

01:05:58.340 There's two bodies present.

01:05:59.600 So I just, I love these cute little, little ones.

01:06:02.560 And that's, that's being knit in the womb.

01:06:05.400 It's very intentional when God knits us.

01:06:07.900 And Jesus came in the womb too, right?

01:06:10.260 So sometimes when Christians say that they're pro-choice, I get confused about that because

01:06:15.300 that means that Jesus might've been aborted, our savior of the world.

01:06:20.360 So.

01:06:20.600 Yeah, I love that.

01:06:21.900 so so so precious and so well formed and developed and that's what God says we're precious we're

01:06:27.660 you know he knows us in our mother's womb and even life is tough life is tough for single

01:06:32.600 parents and that's why we have to get this right we have to start like even divorce uh we need to

01:06:39.800 come start coming out against a divorce and adultery adultery uh fornication which is sex

01:06:45.360 before marriage we need to start giving society a check so we can get back to God's favor

01:06:50.400 and when that happens our societies are going to flourish in so many ways and our children

01:06:55.880 are going to benefit from this as well so jocelyn jocelyn i just want to thank you again for your

01:07:02.260 courage and coming on and i pray that god would bless you in your ministry and that uh he would

01:07:08.660 just expand it more people need to hear your testimony and these women on the street that

01:07:15.540 would benefit from your little baby models, little babies in the womb. And so just God bless you

01:07:23.020 ferociously and all that you're going to do. Thank you so much. And I just want to say one

01:07:28.080 quick thing too, because for people who think like, well, but what are you going to do for

01:07:31.080 the women? That's actually what house of refuge is too, is that people can come. Like my church

01:07:35.240 is a house of refuge. So when we talk to women, we're like, we're willing to walk alongside you.

01:07:38.500 We have mentors that are ready to walk with you. You don't have to do this alone. We want to help

01:07:42.380 you financially emotionally you know physically whatever you need right so so the church can show

01:07:48.660 up in that way and and ultimately disciple people to know jesus which is the most important thing

01:07:53.560 so this house of refuge uh would pastors be able to reach out to them because we're going to have

01:07:59.320 that link in the description of these this video and we really encourage pastors uh to reach out

01:08:06.220 then and make sure that you have something developed within your uh body where you are a

01:08:11.840 House of Refuge and Women in Crisis, their first should be to come to their local church to seek

01:08:17.640 help. And I know that your testimony as well, having, I don't want to say being hurt within

01:08:23.100 the church, but being hesitant to even approach a church at that point. And so, ladies, we encourage

01:08:29.420 you, go beyond yourself and be courageous, walk into a church, request help, or reach out maybe

01:08:38.540 to these websites that we're providing you so that they can direct you to a church also.

01:08:45.080 Okay.

01:08:45.640 All right.

01:08:46.320 Thank you.

01:08:46.860 God bless you, Jocelyn.

01:08:48.420 Thank you.

01:08:49.040 Okay.

01:08:49.500 Bye.

01:08:50.320 All right.

01:08:51.040 Well, that was amazing.

01:08:52.100 I'm going to ask everybody once again that you would give us a like, subscribe, share

01:08:57.460 our information, and take me serious when I'm saying take these videos and send them

01:09:01.780 to your elected officials and ask them to respond.

01:09:04.820 asked them that if legislation is put forward, would they vote in favor of a bill to put a stop

01:09:12.240 to abortion? Or at least, for goodness sakes, we're supposed to be a civil society, and we're

01:09:17.960 the only civil society without any abortion legislation, and that really has to change.

01:09:24.140 All right, our guest next week is going to be David Lindsay. As we're talking about Christianity

01:09:28.700 and the way our nation is functioning, we're continuing to hit it hard about the coronation

01:09:33.520 Oath. So the title is Our Christian Heritage Hangs by an Oath. You know that Carney has just

01:09:41.400 announced a new Attorney General. She is one dangerous lady. She is very closely tied to the

01:09:48.760 United Nations. She is behind mass migration. She is behind the trans ideology. She was a judge that

01:09:55.440 oversaw a case here in Surrey about the books. Like, this is one woke lady. And we believe that

01:10:02.680 Action for Canada is the only one addressing Bill C-9 where our campaign immediately addressed our current Governor General about the coronation oath to advisor of her duties and limitations to this binding document.

01:10:17.260 This is not ceremonial.

01:10:18.560 So we've had nearly five months of pressing into MPs and Senators advising them all of their limitations on passing Bill C-9 because it is in violation to the Word of God and the Protestant Christian faith in this country, which they are bound to govern Canada by.

01:10:37.640 and we are going to keep putting this forward the new governor general is going to be hearing

01:10:44.600 about this we're going to have a campaign advising her of her duty and limitations as well this is

01:10:49.940 very important and i believe that there's maybe a chance that there was this shift in governor

01:10:57.080 generals because of the campaign where canada was bringing something to the light of carney

01:11:02.500 that he was probably oblivious of his limitations in what he's trying to push in Canada. And we

01:11:08.300 could truly overturn so much bad legislation. We would have abortion law legislation in this

01:11:15.440 country. We would come out against same-sex marriage and this campaign to attack our

01:11:21.340 children. I'm talking real business could get done. Real bills could get revoked, such as

01:11:26.860 conversion therapy ban. So, please get behind us. Please join us as we move forward in our appeal

01:11:34.100 to shut down Bill C9. And, okay, so the verses for tonight are Proverbs 31.8,

01:11:42.980 Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves. Ensure justice for those being crushed.

01:11:48.780 And I really thought, man, that is a powerful verse tonight. When I saw that, when I was looking

01:11:53.680 into Scripture to use tonight, that just hit me, hit me in the core, hit my soul as I'm listening

01:11:58.180 to these testimonies of, you know, the abortion process. Our babies are being crushed, and we

01:12:04.280 literally have to put a stop to this. The next Bible verse is from Isaiah 61, 1-2-3.

01:12:12.600 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings

01:12:17.860 unto the meek. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives,

01:12:23.300 and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.

01:12:25.920 And this is a real message for those who are living in the captivity and, you know, having

01:12:31.740 been through abortions and having extreme regret, being unable to forgive themselves.

01:12:37.860 This is what God wants for you, all right?

01:12:40.920 He wants to bind up the brokenhearted and to proclaim liberty to the captives and the

01:12:47.000 opening of the prison that you're living in right now and that you're bound in, to proclaim

01:12:51.320 the acceptable year of the Lord and the day of vengeance of our God to come against those

01:12:56.380 who have deceived us, right? Into all of this and vengeance of our God to comfort all that mourn

01:13:02.900 that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be

01:13:08.200 glorified. And the final verse that I chose for tonight is from Deuteronomy 30, 19 to 20.

01:13:15.320 Today, I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses,

01:13:21.320 Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make, oh, that you would choose

01:13:26.860 life so that you and your descendants, your children, might live.

01:13:32.040 You can make this choice by loving the Lord your God, obeying Him, and committing yourself

01:13:37.600 firmly to Him.

01:13:39.460 This is the key to your life.

01:13:41.780 This is the key to healing.

01:13:43.780 So thank you for joining us tonight.

01:13:45.780 I look forward to seeing you next week.

01:13:48.000 God bless you, and God bless Canada.

01:13:51.320 Welcome, Tonya.

01:13:53.540 God.

01:13:58.040 That's what I've got to say.

01:13:59.900 Look at this crowd.

01:14:04.400 I'm going to thank God and God alone for the ground that I'm standing on.

01:14:15.380 I'm going to thank our founding fathers for giving their lives

01:14:20.500 and sacrificing so much for our freedom.

01:14:26.900 And I'm calling on you today.

01:14:30.260 Don't put them to shame.

01:14:32.500 Don't waste what they did.

01:14:34.860 We have guaranteed rights in this country.

01:14:44.820 We are putting chapters across the nation.

01:14:47.860 We are going to be in every town and every city, and we are going to build communities

01:14:54.500 within these communities of like-minded people who are actually going to care for one another

01:14:59.500 again and love on each other and give each other the help when they're down.

01:15:04.160 We are going to use the teams and the people that build within chapters to support our

01:15:10.300 businesses.

01:15:11.380 The government's actions are completely, 100% unlawful.

01:15:17.860 judgment will again be found on justice and those with virtuous hearts will

01:15:24.980 pursue it. You have a virtuous heart if you are here today pursuing freedom and

01:15:32.360 righteousness. And then verse 23 comes along with a promise. God says he will turn the sins of evil people back on them.

01:15:43.860 he will destroy them for their sins I take great comfort in that because I

01:15:53.240 serve a mighty living God who has allowed us to go through this season of

01:16:00.760 discomfort because we as a nation have turned our backs on him and we need to

01:16:07.020 get right. So I am just going to thank you so much. I'm going to say God bless you and God bless Canada.

01:16:37.020 Thank you.

Action4Canada - May 14, 2026

Jocelynn Rodrigues： Abortion Regret We Need A Law

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