Action4Canada - Jocelynn Rodrigues： Abortion Regret We Need A Law

00:00:00 There's a sonograph picture and it was one of the hardest things to go look at those records and see

00:00:03 that. It's like the only picture I have of my child. It's a misnomer to say well you know what

00:00:08 should I do because that child's already in existence. Your life starts to get gray and you

00:00:13 disconnect with things. Things you found joy in doing are not as joy inducing. It's not doing the

00:00:18 woman any favors to get an abortion. So you know when people are proclaiming from the rooftop that 1.00

00:00:22 this is female empowerment, it's not female empowerment to end the life of your own child.

00:00:27 we're made with an innate desire to care for and love our children and whether we want to pretend

00:00:34 it's a cluster of cells or not on a level it we know it's our child and there is grief from that

00:00:41 choose life because life is a blessing and you will be blessed by that life and you won't regret

00:00:46 it the reality is too that i didn't know i was already a mother at eight weeks at conception i

00:00:51 I was already a mother.

00:00:58 Hello, Action for Canada friends.

00:01:00 We're so glad you've joined us.

00:01:02 A warm welcome to you.

00:01:03 We're so grateful to have you as a part of our community.

00:01:07 Our guest speaker this evening is Jocelyn Rodriguez, and the title of tonight's show

00:01:12 is Abortion Regret. 1.00

00:01:14 We Need a Law. 0.89

00:01:16 Please be aware that some of the material we've been going over tonight is graphic.

00:01:20 in case you have children or sensitive-natured people watching.

00:01:25 It's Wednesday, May 13th, 2026, and this is the Empower Hour.

00:01:31 Action for Canada is a national movement reaching out to millions of Canadians

00:01:36 and uniting our voices in opposition to the destructive policies tearing at the fabric of our nation.

00:01:42 Through call-to-action campaigns, we educate, equip, mobilize, and empower citizens to take action.

00:01:49 We are committed to protecting faith, family, and freedom.

00:01:55 Coming up this Saturday, May 16th, is the Conception Crossroad Conference at Riverside Calvary Chapel in Langley, British Columbia.

00:02:04 This informative event runs from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., and the moral, spiritual, and cultural issues surrounding conception and the sanctity of life will be addressed.

00:02:14 This conference will equip and encourage attendees to respond with truth and compassion in a culture that is disconnected from God's design for life.

00:02:24 Topics will include understanding birth control, the truth about the abortion pill, abortion pill reversal and second chances, in vitro fertilization and big fertility, political engagement and practical ways to uphold and to defend the sanctity of life in today's culture.

00:02:43 Tanya Gaw is one of the keynote speakers, so we encourage you to attend this important event if you're able.

00:02:49 Be sure to head over to our website for more information.

00:02:54 If this is your first time joining us, it's my pleasure to introduce you to Tanya Gaw, the founder and leader of Action for Canada.

00:03:01 For over 10 years, Tanya has been bringing public awareness to the many serious issues facing our nation, including tonight's topic concerning abortion.

00:03:11 Will you all please help me welcome Tanya Gaw, Valiant Defender of the Unborn.

00:03:16 Hello, Tanya.

00:03:17 Hello, Heather, and thank you for that.

00:03:19 Yeah, tonight is going to be a very important topic.

00:03:21 I am so grateful that I met Jocelyn just over a week ago and the courage of this young woman and the willingness for her to come on tonight and give her testimony.

00:03:32 This subject that we're talking about on abortion is critical to our nation's health and welfare,

00:03:41 our spiritual welfare, and it is a topic that has to become more and more of a headline

00:03:47 in the legislatures, in the House of Commons.

00:03:50 I don't think people understand how much this issue impacts what is actually happening to Canada right now

00:03:59 as Christianity is under assault and we're at risk of losing our sovereignty.

00:04:06 From starting 11 years ago, I came out the door and I've been relentless in saying

00:04:12 how important it is to proclaim Canada as a Christian nation and that that is key to our sovereignty.

00:04:18 It's key to our freedoms. Non-Christian nations do not experience freedom. 0.96

00:04:23 They live under oppression. And so these are the only ones that Christian nations, 1.00

00:04:29 European Christian nations are the only ones that have the freedoms and democracies that we've

00:04:33 been able to enjoy for nearly just over 150 years. But man, has it been under assault in 11 years.

00:04:40 One of the reasons is because we're killing 100,000 babies in the womb every year. Let that

00:04:46 sink in for a moment. This is becoming as if it's just normal. It's being normalized in society.

00:04:52 It is a taboo issue in Canada. We are one of the only developed countries with no abortion

00:04:57 legislation, and understand that it isn't just the Liberals, NDP, Bloc Quebecois, who are blocking

00:05:04 abortion legislation. It is also the Conservative Party. The only two party leaders who are willing

00:05:12 to put forward legislation is Maxime Bernier with the People's Party of Canada and Rod Taylor with

00:05:18 the Christian Heritage Party. Why do people keep voting the party line as far as the Conservatives

00:05:23 are concerned, because this is like a curse on our nation. Because we are so far outside of God's

00:05:30 will on that and bringing on all these false gods and false teachings. There's no such thing as this,

00:05:36 all these different religions. We've got to name it. These are false gods that are coming in here. 1.00

00:05:42 These are demonic forces. And God is a jealous God. He says, you shall have no other gods before 0.89

00:05:46 me. And so, you've got the altar of bell that we're sacrificing our children to, not only in

00:05:53 the womb, but in the classroom. So, unless we are ready to genuinely repent and put that repentance

00:05:59 into action, there is a good chance that Canada, as we've known it, will be crushed and destroyed.

00:06:06 And so, Canadians got to rise up. And that's what this evening is about. This is about

00:06:11 bringing attention to a matter that is so critically important to the security and the

00:06:19 heritage of Canada and us moving forward and passing on something beautiful to the next

00:06:25 generations that we really, really need to have this tough conversation. As Heather said, we've

00:06:31 provided a warning. There's a couple of videos that I'm going to be playing that have graphic

00:06:36 content because they actually describe the processes of abortion. And I want you to just

00:06:43 know under current issues in our menu, the very top one is abortion. I would highly recommend that 1.00

00:06:50 you listen to this abortion doctor, ex-abortion doctor, as it says here, leaves Congress speechless.

00:06:57 That is not the one I'm going to play tonight, but he talks about what that implement in the hand,

00:07:02 in his hands right now does to babies. We're talking third trimester to full term and just

00:07:11 you know what they do to the limbs and the babies aren't receiving any kind of pain medication as

00:07:18 they go through this process. This is a living being inside a mother's womb. So if you go down 0.77

00:07:23 our page, there's some good information here. I do need to build on this page. I'd highly recommend

00:07:29 if you have not watched it, watch Unplanned. This is a riveting movie exposing the abortion 1.00

00:07:34 industry, and this young woman has done an amazing job. She worked in abortion clinics,

00:07:41 and she could no longer continue once she saw, tragically, what was happening to these babies, 0.88

00:07:47 even babies being born alive and left in these cold steel bowls to die. It's criminal, it's dark,

00:07:55 It's demonic. And it's time that we do something about this. This, again, is a crazy person

00:08:02 working in the abortion industry. I don't know how they justify this, but it needs to be addressed.

00:08:09 And so this is the video today that I'm going to play for you. I'd also encourage you to come

00:08:15 and listen to John Kennedy's challenge to four women in the abortion industry, trying to get

00:08:23 them to just answer a simple question about how they feel about full-term abortions. And man,

00:08:30 do they dance around it. How can anybody reasonably support this? And so we'll just start here

00:08:39 with Representative Gill in the United States. And so, you know, I may have videos from the

00:08:44 United States. We have some from Canada as well. But just understand, this is the methods. These

00:08:49 are four methods of abortion, and I don't want anybody shutting the volume off. I don't want

00:08:55 anybody turning their head away right now, because we cannot continue to do this. You need to

00:09:00 understand this is not a woman's right to choose or a method of reproductive health, all right? 1.00

00:09:09 It's dark, and it needs to stop. You're an advocate for abortion, for abortion policy. 1.00

00:09:15 what's your favorite type of abortion I am an advocate for patients having

00:09:21 access to the full realm of reproductive health care but do you have a preferred

00:09:25 method of abortion that you that you like I do not I mean read through a

00:09:31 couple different methods and I want to get your take on on how much you like

00:09:34 these the first type is called a suction abortion this is when the cervix is

00:09:41 dilated and a strong suction 29 times the power of a household vacuum cleaner tears the baby's

00:09:48 body apart and sucks it through the hose into a container do you prefer that method i stand by my

00:09:54 former testimony that sounds kind of gross doesn't it sounds pretty gruesome do you agree it does

00:10:03 to me i stand by um how i answered your question fully and accurately okay what about this one

00:10:08 one is called deletion and curatage um after deletion of the cervix a sharp looped knife is

00:10:14 inserted into the uterus the baby's body is cut into pieces and extracted often by suction uh do

00:10:22 you prefer that method what i believe we are here to talk about today is the face act we are not

00:10:27 here to i'm asking you you're a pro-abortion advocate i'm asking if you prefer the deletion

00:10:32 Delation and curatage method.

00:10:34 I am an access to reproductive health care advocate.

00:10:38 You don't want to talk about abortion itself.

00:10:41 Why is that?

00:10:42 I would prefer to talk about the reason that the committee called the hearing.

00:10:45 Is it because it's uncomfortable to talk about?

00:10:47 It should be uncomfortable.

00:10:49 I would prefer, if you would let me finish my statement, to talk about the Freedom of

00:10:53 Access to Clinic Entrances Act, which is what I was asked to come here.

00:10:57 What that access gets.

00:10:58 How about this one?

00:10:59 It's called delation and evacuation.

00:11:02 Forceps are inserted into the uterus, grabbing and twisting the baby's body to dismember him or her.

00:11:08 If the head is too large, it must be crushed in order to remove it.

00:11:12 Do you prefer that method?

00:11:14 I would prefer to talk about the reason the hearing was called and the basis of my expert testimony.

00:11:19 It's uncomfortable to hear this, isn't it?

00:11:22 It is. I think it is because it's barbaric and evil.

00:11:25 How about this one? It's called the saline injection.

00:11:28 It's when a 20% salt solution is injected through the mother's abdomen into the baby's amniotic fluid.

00:11:35 The baby's skin is burned off.

00:11:37 The baby ingests the solution and dies of salt poisoning, dehydration, and hemorrhaging of the brain.

00:11:43 Do you prefer that method?

00:11:45 I would prefer to talk about the subject of the hearing.

00:11:48 This is the subject of the hearing.

00:11:50 This is about protests outside of abortion clinics.

00:11:52 I'm asking you about abortion.

00:11:55 I stand by my prior testimony.

00:11:57 Okay, so the reason I'm playing this is because you may think that there's one style of abortion that's worse than the other style of abortion, that there's some way to do a humane abortion. And you can hear that there really isn't. I'm actually quite tempted to play the other video because we get one chance at this.

00:12:18 I don't see this conversation being held.

00:12:22 If you think it's not happening in Canada, a link that Jocelyn has provided to me,

00:12:27 and I'm going to be updating our abortion page to include this information.

00:12:32 And so Right Now has created these videos where they've gone undercover,

00:12:38 specifically addressing late-term abortions.

00:12:43 And in the first video I watched today, you know,

00:12:45 it's just shocking to hear how the individuals in this can close their hearts and their minds

00:12:50 to even what's coming out of their mouth. I'm like, what if they were recorded and actually

00:12:55 heard that? Would that change their position on this as if, you know, they're talking about 24

00:13:01 months term abortion? And what does that look like? And I'm going to be playing another video

00:13:09 where you'll see what the size and development is of a baby that's 21 weeks old and then have

00:13:15 that determination. But you know what, you guys, I am. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to play

00:13:19 this video as well. Dr. Levett, you know, we'll begin with you. Welcome. Thank you. Now, again,

00:13:24 understand that this is an abortion doctor. So I don't know how many hundreds or thousands of

00:13:31 abortions that he's done. I'm going to ask you to send this to your elected officials. That's why

00:13:37 I'm going to play this tonight and the other one on the page. Maybe send them one a week and then

00:13:41 ask them if they would respond to you as to what their position is now on abortion.

00:13:49 Chairman and members of the committee, I only have five minutes, so I'm going to get right to it.

00:13:54 Second trimester D&E abortions perform between roughly 14 and 24 weeks of gestation.

00:14:00 Your patient today is 17 years old. She's 22 weeks pregnant. Her baby is the length of your

00:14:07 hand plus a couple of inches and she's been feeling her baby kick for the last

00:14:11 several weeks but she's asleep on an operating room table you walk into that

00:14:15 operating room scrubbed and gowned and after removing laminaria you introduce 0.79

00:14:20 a suction catheter into the uterus this is a 14 French suction catheter if she

00:14:25 were 12 weeks pregnant or less basically the width of your hand or smaller you 0.95

00:14:29 could basically do the entire procedure with this but babies this big don't fit

00:14:33 through catheters this size. After suctioning the amniotic fluid out from

00:14:37 around the baby, you introduce an instrument called the SOFR clamp. It's

00:14:41 about 13 inches long. It's made of stainless steel. The business end of this

00:14:45 clamp is about two and a half inches long and a half inch wide. There are rows of

00:14:49 sharp teeth. This is a grasping instrument. When it gets a hold of

00:14:52 something, it does not let go. A DNA procedure is a blind abortion, so picture

00:14:56 yourself introducing this and grabbing anything you can blindly and pull, and I

00:15:01 I do mean hard, and out pops a leg about that big which you put down on the table next to you.

00:15:06 Reach in again, pull again, and pull out an arm about the same length which you put down on the

00:15:12 table next to you. And use this instrument again and again to tear out the spine, the intestines,

00:15:17 the heart, and lungs. Head on the baby that size is about the size of a large plum. Can't see it,

00:15:24 but you've got it if you've got your instrument around something and your fingers are spread

00:15:28 about as far as they go. You know you did it right. If you crush down on the instrument,

00:15:32 white material runs out of the cervix. That was the baby's brains. Then you could pull out skull

00:15:37 pieces. And you have a day like I had a lot of times, sometimes a little face comes back and

00:15:41 stares back at you. Congratulations. You just successfully performed a second trimester D&E

00:15:47 abortion. All right. So do you understand why I want you to take these videos? I want you to send

00:15:53 to every single sitting MP, to your Minister of Health, to your MLAs, anybody that's supporting 0.95

00:16:05 it, to your mayors and city councils that are wanting to put abortion zones in so that people

00:16:12 can't pray outside abortion clinics. This is a conversation that's not spoken about.

00:16:17 These are the details that we're not hearing about, and that's why I'm bringing it to the

00:16:22 forefront today. And so, Heather, would you please bring on our precious guest? And I'm looking

00:16:28 forward to hearing her testimony. Thank you. Thank you, Tanya. We are delighted to welcome

00:16:35 Jocelyn Rodriguez to the Empower Hour this evening. Jocelyn's story is profoundly personal

00:16:41 as she shares her experience of having an abortion when she was 28 years old and the regret that

00:16:48 followed. Like so many women, Jocelyn made her abortion decision without being fully informed.

00:16:55 She was led to believe that the baby in her womb was only a cluster of cells, not a tiny human

00:17:01 being created in the image of God, complete with unique DNA and a beating heart. Jocelyn's

00:17:07 compassionate testimony invites us to look beyond slogans such as my body, my choice, or

00:17:14 reproductive health care, and she highlights the urgent need for abortion legislation,

00:17:21 informed consent laws, and stronger protections for mothers and their unborn children. Will you

00:17:27 all please help me welcome Jocelyn Rodriguez. Hello, Jocelyn. Welcome to the Empower Hour.

00:17:34 Hi, thanks for having me. Thank you, Heather. It's such an honor to meet you last week. I

00:17:39 really believe it was the Lord's timing as we move in tomorrow for the March for Life and the other

00:17:45 events that are constantly being spoken around, not just in these next few days. But this needs

00:17:51 to be a conversation people need to be having all year round and pressing forward for a law.

00:17:57 And so I just look at you, you're courageous. And I can't wait for people to hear your testimony and

00:18:02 how the Lord got a hold of your heart. And this is what we need to pray into other people's

00:18:07 lives as well. I want people who are listening who may have had an abortion and are feeling the

00:18:13 regret to hang until the end. We're going to give you encouragement. There is hope. The Lord loves

00:18:18 you. And we know how many people have been deceived by thinking this is some little cluster

00:18:25 of cells that's, you know, in your stomach, not having informed consent. But it's time for things

00:18:32 to shift. And so I just want to hand the floor over to you so that we can hear your testimony

00:18:38 tonight. All right. Well, thank you. Thanks so much. And thanks for showing those videos. They

00:18:43 are hard to see, but I can't help but think of, I do sidewalk ministry by the abortion clinic in my

00:18:49 city outside the bubble zone because we have bubble zones, unfortunately. And there's a woman 0.62

00:18:55 that's been coming to protest us and she has a sign that says, it's your choice. And I'm just

00:19:00 thinking of her when I'm seeing that because it's like that that that's not a choice and that's a

00:19:06 child that has life and is made in the image of God but you know even more extreme is that that

00:19:13 could have been me on the sidewalk protesting as well because yeah I wasn't always a believer

00:19:17 um for 34 years I rejected the Lord actively um and I wasn't necessarily pro-choice I don't think

00:19:27 I would have said I was pro-choice per se. I don't think that I was necessarily a hardcore

00:19:35 advocate, but I definitely would have, if asked, I would have probably said it's a difficult

00:19:45 decision and I hope I'm never in that situation and I don't know. And yet then I was in that

00:19:53 situation, but let me go back a bit to the beginning, I guess, um, to just give some

00:19:58 context of my story. And hopefully I saw a message that people are having a hard time hearing me. So

00:20:02 hopefully you can hear me. Um, but yeah, so I, when I was younger, I was put in a, in church,

00:20:09 um, like our family went to church, but it was, I think more of a formality structure,

00:20:14 not actually because of a relationship with Jesus. Um, and so, you know, there was no Jesus in the

00:20:21 home. I do remember praying as a kid to God. And so I do believe I had some type of relationship,

00:20:29 but then at a certain point, my family had said, you know, you can decide if you want to keep going

00:20:33 or not. You're old enough. I don't remember how old I was at that point, but I didn't really see

00:20:39 the point in going. And so I decided not to for a few, a few different reasons. And interestingly,

00:20:45 one of the reasons, too, was that we had gotten a pastor that seemed to be anti-gay, which is

00:20:52 interesting because it was United Church, and the United Church now is very affirming, and that

00:20:56 church specifically now is definitely affirming. But at that time, there seemed to be that situation,

00:21:02 and it kind of came up because my sister had been in the youth group, and she had asked a question

00:21:06 about what happens to gay people because she had a friend that was gay, and she had basically just 0.99

00:21:12 said, they go to hell. That was at least what she came home and told us. And, um, I mean, there's a 0.99

00:21:18 lot to unpack around that. If someone's asking that question, I feel like that's not a helpful

00:21:22 answer. Like, let's talk about, well, why are you asking that question? And like, okay, what do we

00:21:25 know about God? And like, what does the Bible say? Um, certainly it is a sin, but you know,

00:21:29 there's so much more context, but anyhow, that's what she had heard and came back saying. And so

00:21:34 at the time, you know, I was little, I didn't know too much about anything except that I was

00:21:39 like, well, I don't want to be part of something that seems not loving and exclusive. So I decided

00:21:45 I didn't want to be part of it. And then I really latched onto, I guess, what the world has said

00:21:50 about Christianity and just had a distaste for it. And that grew over the years. I did still

00:21:56 have questions though, like, why are we all here? And what happens when you die? And I didn't really

00:22:01 have answers for that. And then, you know, in school, learning about the first law of thermodynamics,

00:22:06 that energy can't be created or destroyed that really led me to latch onto energy as a concept

00:22:11 and that further then led me into the new age as i got exposed to new age teachings um fairly

00:22:19 innocently um you know being exposed to the movie the secret and just this understanding that there

00:22:25 might be this knowledge that is has been hidden and that we can find it and that intrigued me

00:22:30 because i was looking for truth i was trying to understand why are we all here and it made sense

00:22:36 that, well, we were energy. And so, yeah, when you die, you must just change into something else.

00:22:40 And so it started to blend into all this new age stuff and it aligned with my thinking. And I kind

00:22:47 of just picked and choose from everything that I saw. If it resonated, great. If it didn't,

00:22:52 then I didn't want it, but certainly wanted nothing to do with Christianity. And as I got to be 0.98

00:23:00 shortly after high school, I guess, I really started to get confused about my sexuality.

00:23:06 I started to think that maybe I was a lesbian.

00:23:10 I didn't really know, and I wanted to know who I was.

00:23:14 Again, having no biblical foundation, I didn't know that I was to look to Him for who I am.

00:23:20 So I was looking to the world, and I was following my feelings, which are based on—well, they're constantly changing, and they're not based necessarily on truth or fact.

00:23:30 Feelings are fickle, and many times we feel something, and then we later look back and we're like, oh, I was wrong.

00:23:34 because feelings, yeah, they're not, they're not objective truth. They're subjective. And so

00:23:39 I was basing my identity on my feelings. So my identity constantly kept changing. So I started

00:23:44 thinking I'm a lesbian. And then I was like, well, wait, if I still like guys, then maybe I'm

00:23:48 bisexual. And then it was like, well, no, I don't care about the gender. I care more about the

00:23:52 person. And plus there's more than two genders. So I must be pansexual. And then I thought, okay, 1.00

00:23:59 but like, who would I actually marry a man or a woman? I was really confused about that. And then

00:24:04 I thought, well, maybe I'm polyamorous. I don't have to pick one or the other. I can marry both.

00:24:10 And then I thought, well, no, that's, no, I'm not comfortable with that. I'm monogamous.

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00:27:04 What's interesting to me in all of that too, though, is this desire underneath that all to be authentic and not lie.

00:27:10 because i would get dreams in my in my you know early 20s where i would wake up and think i must

00:27:18 be a lesbian and at the time i remember i was dating a guy and i remember thinking i must be

00:27:22 deceiving myself and him and i believed the lie that your dreams tell you your innermost truth

00:27:28 and so i figured well man this must be who i am and i need to figure this out and so my desire

00:27:33 was to be authentic and not lie which i really see as that actually is like a christ-like desire to

00:27:39 I mean, to not want to lie, that's a commandment. And to be authentic, the problem is that I didn't

00:27:44 have the proper foundation and everything was just open before me. And I didn't know the boundaries

00:27:49 and the design, the good design that God had laid out. And so I was just testing everything,

00:27:55 trying to see what stuck. I don't think that's proper grammar, but anyhow, just to see what

00:28:01 made sense and who I could actually be. And so it was very destabilizing because,

00:28:07 like I'd mentioned, it kept changing and I really had no peace in that. And, uh, I got deeper into

00:28:15 the new age. Uh, I moved to Vancouver. I'm from Calgary, but I moved to Vancouver in 2010 and I

00:28:20 lived there for seven years and, um, I moved there for work, but it was also because it was a more

00:28:25 progressive place and I could be who I fully was is how I felt then and figured I'd make up for

00:28:30 lost time. So I was just immersed in the LGBTQ community, um, and getting deeper into the new

00:28:36 age. And it was while I was living in Vancouver, when I was 28 years old, I was dating a guy at

00:28:41 the time and we'd been dating for about a year and I ended up getting pregnant. And, um, that's

00:28:47 2016 is the year that really everything, everything changed. And it's a year that now forever, when I

00:28:54 see that year anywhere, it stands out. It's, it's a very significant year. And I'm sure it will

00:28:59 always be like that, despite the fact that the Lord has done a tremendous healing. And I'm so

00:29:05 grateful. It's a demarcation point, you know, life-free abortion and life post-abortion. And so 0.55

00:29:11 my thoughts at the time when I got pregnant, I mean, I was surprised. I was not expecting to

00:29:17 get pregnant. And I didn't see a future with the man that I was with. And so I thought, well,

00:29:24 I don't want to bring a child into brokenness, into a broken family, which is also interesting

00:29:28 to me because I do, again, see that as this desire for God's good design, which is that a child be

00:29:33 raised with a loving mom and dad who are in a marriage union. And I didn't have that, and so I

00:29:39 didn't want that. But unfortunately, the enemy, like, distorted that to say, well, if you can't

00:29:43 have that, then you should kill your child. Because obviously, that's God's best case scenario, 0.98

00:29:48 but God's not saying, well, if you don't have that, then, you know, abort your child. That's

00:29:52 not at all godly or truthful that child is a blessing and is um made in the image of god but

00:29:58 i didn't i just hadn't i didn't have that awareness i didn't have any understanding of the word of god

00:30:03 and so that's sort of where my brain went with that and then um i also thought well i can barely

00:30:10 parent myself like how am i supposed to care for this child so i was a little bit you know unsure

00:30:14 about that and because i was still struggling with a lot of just like emotional difficulties

00:30:20 and, you know, feeling like I didn't belong, not knowing who I was. I thought about adoption for

00:30:26 a moment, such a brief moment. And I kind of concluded that I didn't want my child to think

00:30:33 that mom or dad didn't love him or her, which, you know, I didn't know anything about adoption.

00:30:37 I didn't even really know anyone that had been adopted. I believed these like lies and myths.

00:30:41 And I know now that that's simply not true, that adoption is difficult. There's definitely

00:30:46 difficulty with it, but it's a beautiful sacrificial act of love that the mother would

00:30:50 do. And it certainly is a sacrifice because the other thing I thought was, and it was a selfish

00:30:56 thought, was how can I carry this child for nine months and then place him or her in the arms of

00:31:00 someone else? Like, I'm going to get attached. And so in most of these instances, I was looking

00:31:05 to protect my child and that my child would feel loved and supported and be given the best possible

00:31:10 avenue for life to flourish. And yet, obviously, I was confused and misled because,

00:31:18 you know, the conclusion then was that, well, abortion made the most sense is obviously

00:31:23 illogical because here I am trying to protect my child. But in this tragic irony, my child

00:31:29 needs protection from me who would end up going to get the abortion. And so, unfortunately,

00:31:33 I didn't have anybody. Well, I didn't really tell anyone about the abortion. I really only told

00:31:37 the father. And then I told a couple of friends, my one friend was pregnant at the time. And we

00:31:44 had actually been discussing how far along she was each week and, Oh, what size is the baby now?

00:31:49 What size is the baby now? So it's so fascinating to me, the level of dissonance and compartmentalization

00:31:55 where it's like, that's a baby, but what I have is in a baby yet. Cause I haven't decided what I

00:31:59 want to do. Um, you know, none of this was necessarily conscious, but that's what was

00:32:03 happening and then I the other friend I told had you know I told her over text and I didn't really

00:32:08 like the response I got it felt like she didn't care so I said something like you know never mind

00:32:12 it's okay you don't get it and then she said well I do get it because I've had one and I thought

00:32:16 whoa because I didn't know anyone that had an abortion and so I remember with that it almost

00:32:21 neutralized it a bit or normalized it because it was like okay well I mean she seems relatively

00:32:26 okay and she's had one she never talked about it being like a negative thing and yet now that I'm

00:32:31 where I am now. And I've seen, you know, the ramifications that abortion caused and all of

00:32:36 the symptoms that come with having an abortion, the post-abortive stress. I look at her life and

00:32:41 I'm like, oh man, this is why you're struggling in this area, in that area. And I never knew before.

00:32:46 And so I find that interesting. But again, I just, I didn't know any of this at the time.

00:32:51 And, you know, I didn't tell my parents. I think I just thought I was embarrassed. I don't know.

00:32:56 I just didn't, I didn't want to talk to them about that, which, you know, I, I, I wish I had, but I

00:33:02 didn't. And, um, yeah, I just, I basically booked the appointment and in my head too, I, I, and it's

00:33:10 funny how these things develop because I didn't even know where they came from, but I mean the 0.96

00:33:14 culture, plus I was very steeped in feminist ideology. Um, and so I picked it up from somewhere,

00:33:21 but I had this notion that there were pro-life people out there with that were going to try to

00:33:24 guilt me into, you know, choosing different and that we're going to lie to me. And I better make

00:33:28 sure I call the right place because if I call the wrong place, they're going to, you know, guilt me

00:33:32 into something. And I actually did accidentally call, I think, a crisis center because I remember

00:33:37 on the phone, I went to the parking lot of my work because I didn't want anyone to hear me

00:33:41 making this call. And I remember he, I don't exactly remember the conversation, but they said

00:33:47 something that indicated to me that they didn't refer for abortion. And that was my clue to be

00:33:51 like, Oh, I called the wrong place. These are not the right people. So I just hung up the phone

00:33:54 and I look at that and I'm like, wow, I feel like that was the Lord trying to intervene,

00:33:58 but my heart was so hard. So I proceeded to call the abortion clinic and book the appointment.

00:34:03 And I think it was like a week or so that I not, not that long that I waited for the appointment.

00:34:08 And in that waiting period, I would have thoughts. Am I killing my child? But then I would be like,

00:34:13 no, maybe that's just what the pro-life people want you to think. Cause they've, you know,

00:34:16 they're just manipulating you. But I remember Googling it online, searching it. And I found

00:34:21 a really obscure new age website that, by the way, I found the same explanation more recently

00:34:26 on a local abortion clinic website. I don't know if it's still there, but I found it there and I

00:34:31 thought, wow, what was once on an obscure new age website is now on the abortion clinic website.

00:34:35 That's, that's interesting to me. But what it said was basically like the soul knows it's not

00:34:40 the right time. It'll go back to where it came from. Like, no worries. You know, you, you got

00:34:45 to do what's best for you and it's all good. And so that gave me a counterfeit piece and it aligned

00:34:50 with my distorted new age thinking at the time. And so I went, I went ahead with the abortion and

00:34:56 yeah, it was, it was definitely, I mean, yeah, I, it was a decision I obviously regret now,

00:35:06 but at the time I think I just was, was glad to get it over with, so to speak, and not be in this

00:35:12 like decision crisis point and to at least have made the decision. And I had really bad morning

00:35:18 sickness. So I had relief there. But when I went, I remember I sat in a room and I thought, okay,

00:35:23 they're going to now force me to go through all of these, like, you know, make sure I've thought

00:35:28 about my options, but they didn't do any of that. Um, and at the time I was glad because I was like,

00:35:33 I don't want to, I already know what I want and this is what I want. I mean, I don't know how I

00:35:36 knew that's what I wanted. Cause I didn't even know what I was about to go do, but they sat me

00:35:41 down and they're like, they wanted to make sure I wasn't being coerced by my boyfriend. I said,

00:35:45 no. Um, and they asked how I was feeling and I was nervous cause I've never done this before.

00:35:49 And I don't particularly like, you know, medical interventions in general. So I was nervous and

00:35:55 they tried to normalize it by saying, well, don't worry because the tool we use, cause so I was

00:36:01 eight weeks and, um, I was eligible for the pill, but I didn't want to take the pill because they

00:36:07 told you, they told me that you would then have to go home. And, you know, if you were bleeding

00:36:11 too much, then you got to go to the emergency, but you know, you just got to keep an eye on that.

00:36:15 And I was like, I don't want the responsibility for that. And, and I don't want to be doing this

00:36:19 at home. Like you guys just need to take care of this kind of thing. And for the horror stories

00:36:24 I've heard from the pill, you know, I'm grateful is a weird word to use because I wish I had never

00:36:30 done any procedure. But it was interesting because they were really pushing for the pill,

00:36:35 probably because it's easier from their perspective. But anyhow, when I was in the

00:36:38 counseling room. They said, well, you know, don't worry because the, you know, the instrument that

00:36:43 we use, it's the same one we use on pregnant women once they've had the baby and we just,

00:36:47 you know, we go remove the excess blood. So, and at the time it did bring me a sense of peace

00:36:51 because I thought, okay, it's, it's, you know, it's the same, same tool. Um, this is, this is a

00:36:57 common procedure. Um, but I mean, I really didn't know what I was saying yes to. And, you know, I,

00:37:03 I got my records later, six years later, once I came to faith and I, I called the clinic back to

00:37:08 get my records. And I see on there that it says confident indecision. And I signed, you know,

00:37:14 the other paper. And I thought, well, that's, that's fascinating because I mean, I didn't

00:37:18 really know what I was saying yes to. I did say yes. I take responsibility for what I did. I

00:37:23 definitely signed the paper and I said yes. And I've repented for that, but it's just,

00:37:28 it's just interesting because they didn't really tell me what was going to happen and what was

00:37:31 going on. And I really did think that it was, you know, a cluster of cells and, you know,

00:37:37 no bigger than a lentil. And when I did get those records six years later and I looked at them and

00:37:42 I saw that there's a procedure pre-procedure scan that they do, which I guess I knew because when I

00:37:47 was in the procedure room, the doctor came in and said, okay, we're going to do a vaginal ultrasound

00:37:52 to confirm your gestational period. And then I'll go ahead. And I said, okay. And they'd given me 0.98

00:37:57 something fentanyl or something, which is crazy to me, but I guess that's what they do in hospital

00:38:02 settings, which has a bit of an amnesic effect. So I don't remember a ton, but that was calming

00:38:09 me down. So I was mostly just like chill thinking, I remember thinking, wow, this feels good. I don't

00:38:14 know why I was nervous to get some of the meds. Cause I even had said like, don't even, I don't

00:38:18 even know if I want meds. Like I don't want to be, you know, I don't know. I just, I don't like

00:38:22 taking medications. So they were like, Hey, we'll just give you a little bit. But anyhow, there was

00:38:26 the pre-procedure scan. And what I saw in my records was that there was two boxes, one for

00:38:32 fetal heartbeat and one for fetal motion. I wasn't far along for their instruments to detect

00:38:39 fetal motion. I believe there probably was fetal motion. But the fetal heartbeat was checked.

00:38:44 And I thought, wow, I had no idea that my baby had a heartbeat. A cluster of cells does not have

00:38:50 a heartbeat. A lentil doesn't have a heartbeat. Why did nobody tell me this? And under that

00:38:56 pre-procedure scan was the picture of my eight-week-and-three-days-old sonograph. And I thought,

00:39:01 wow like i never saw my baby i i didn't even know like why didn't anyone show me this and i i wonder

00:39:08 i mean i know my heart was hard but i'd like to think that if i knew that that was a baby with

00:39:13 a heartbeat and that i could see him or her on the screen that that that might have you know

00:39:17 caused me to think for a second like what am i doing but i didn't know any of that and i saw that

00:39:22 six years later after the procedure and i only realized that i should call the clinic and that

00:39:27 there might be something because i was watching the movie unplanned that tanya had mentioned and

00:39:31 there's a scene in it where she goes and she looks at her own abortion records and she sees

00:39:34 there's a sonograph picture. And I thought, oh man, is there a picture of my baby in my records?

00:39:40 And I was just like, immediately go to email them and get them. And it was one of the hardest

00:39:45 things to go look at those records and see that. But I'm so thankful that I have it because it's

00:39:49 like the only picture I have of my child. So I think at the very least, this is something that

00:39:56 women should be required to see and know that a heart starts beating at 21 days. I didn't know

00:40:01 that. And I mean, even before, that's when it's detectable. I believe it's beating from the

00:40:07 beginning. And even if you can't detect it, and even if there is no beat, we know that life begins

00:40:13 at conception. So, you know, that's really critical. But I realize I think I need to maybe

00:40:20 wrap up my testimony here, but I'll just give a brief brief on like kind of how I came to faith

00:40:27 because after this happened, I really started to spiral and get darker and deeper into the new age

00:40:33 because I was trying to find healing. I'd actually gone back to the clinic four months after the

00:40:37 procedure because I was like, something's off. Like I was like kind of okay, but now I'm not

00:40:40 okay. And I'm wondering if it's related and they did not connect the dots. They were like, everyone

00:40:45 has their own experience, but like, what else is going on in your life? And at the time I was like,

00:40:49 I don't know if I should be dating guys or girls. I don't even know if I should be working where I'm

00:40:52 working. And I had a lot going on. And so they focused on that. And I left there thinking,

00:40:56 okay, this, that I'm feeling doesn't have to do with the abortion. So I never, I just put it away

00:41:01 and I continued to try to seek healing, go deeper into different new age modalities. I became a

00:41:07 Reiki master. I was doing all sorts of crazy things, like pretty much everything in the new

00:41:11 age that is there. I did it. I tried it. And it was this constant striving and this fleeting piece,

00:41:17 but I thought, well, I'm getting some peace. So this must be good. I'll just keep doing this

00:41:21 because I didn't know the true peace of Jesus. And then praise the Lord because he just found me

00:41:28 because I was so against Christianity. Like I can't even begin to describe how against I was,

00:41:33 but praise God that he pierced through my hard heart and the darkness that I was in.

00:41:36 And he did it through music and he did it through someone telling me it's about a relationship,

00:41:40 not a religion. And actually the father of the child that I'd aborted, we kind of connected as

00:41:46 friends and he had come to faith. So he was actually sharing the gospel with me and I was

00:41:50 debating him. I did not even want to hear it from him because I was just resistant to Christianity, 0.66

00:41:54 but he was persistent and he was praying for me. And I'm so thankful for that. And we would have

00:41:58 debates, but my heart was softening. And then I met someone playing soccer in front of my house

00:42:03 and he invited me to a youth group on a Friday. And this was now, so this was October, 2021. So

00:42:10 we're like in COVID times, we're like super isolated because of choices that I had made

00:42:15 And just, you know, those were crazy times in general.

00:42:17 And so I was like, oh man, get to hang out with people.

00:42:21 Okay.

00:42:21 Even though these are like church people, I don't know if they're even going to accept

00:42:24 me because I'm LGBTQ, but I went and the Lord was just continuing us off in my heart.

00:42:30 And it all kind of culminated in a moment at my kitchen table shortly after that youth

00:42:33 group service where I was trying to understand God's love and that we love because he first

00:42:38 loved us.

00:42:39 And, you know, even one of the songs that like, he's a good father, that's who he is

00:42:42 and who I am is loved by him.

00:42:44 that was such a new way to understand that like my identity could be that i'm loved by him

00:42:48 and at this time by the way i hadn't shared but i shortly after the abortion i actually started to

00:42:55 think that maybe i wasn't even a woman at all and i started to present as a man as trans masculine

00:42:59 not a full-on man but i knew i wasn't i didn't think i was a woman and i was using they them

00:43:04 pronouns i almost took testosterone and i did get approved for top surgery but praise the lord i

00:43:09 never went through with it. And so I was looking very masculine and LGBTQ and all of this. And so

00:43:15 even this notion that like, I was his daughter was like, if anyone else called me daughter,

00:43:20 like my mom tried to call me daughter on a birthday card, I would cringe, but that he was

00:43:24 calling me daughter was so different. And he was drawing me to him. And in a moment at my kitchen

00:43:29 table, I just realized, God, you're who you say you are. And I just, it just realized like it just,

00:43:34 the scales removed from my eyes. And I started weeping because I thought, what is this love,

00:43:37 this great love of this father who pursues me, even though I've been actively rejecting him for

00:43:42 so many years. And I was just overcome with gratitude. And then I realized how terrible I

00:43:48 was and how far I'd strayed. So then I'm saying like, I'm sorry. And I'm going back and forth

00:43:52 saying, thank you. I'm sorry. And I'm weeping. And I just have this peace come within me.

00:43:56 And I knew that this is like, whoa, like this is a peace I don't have to work for,

00:44:01 that I don't have to strive for that I'm going to have regardless of what I do.

00:44:04 and it was the true peace of God. And I felt these hands braced behind me. And I just, I knew that in

00:44:10 that moment that everything else I had been doing in the new age was a counterfeit and that like,

00:44:15 everything was clear. And then the Lord started really speaking to me that, you know, marriage is

00:44:20 between one man and one woman, that you're a woman, then that's a good thing. And I made you 0.94

00:44:24 that way. And that life is sacred from the moment of conception. And he helped me. He walked me

00:44:30 through what I had done, the sin of abortion, so gently, so lovingly, and helped me to grieve that

00:44:35 and process it with me. And he helped me understand that I actually had a daughter and he gave me her

00:44:41 name. And like, man, God is so good. And that I can even share any of this without being like

00:44:46 broken on the floor is because of his grace and his goodness. And Psalm 34, 5 says that those who

00:44:52 look to him for help will be radiant with joy and no shadow of shame will darken their faces.

00:44:56 and also Colossians 1, 13 to 14, that He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and brought

00:45:02 us into the kingdom of His Son in whom we have redemption and the forgiveness of sins. That's

00:45:07 just like what He did for me and what He wants to do for all His people that He loves. And He's a

00:45:12 good Father. And yeah, I'm so grateful for Him. That is an amazing testimony, Jocelyn, and I am

00:45:21 truly so grateful that you have shared this journey with us. I know some people in the chat

00:45:27 were saying, you know, I'm pro-life and this is hard to listen to. And it should be, right? Because

00:45:35 this isn't what God's design was. I love the Bible verse that talks about how God created us in our

00:45:40 mother's womb, like He knows us intricately, planned on us before time began. And it's sin

00:45:45 that comes into the world that messes everything up. 0.99

00:45:48 And I know that we as an organization have really addressed the SOGI, 0.91

00:45:55 sexual orientation and gender identity, comprehensive sexuality education, 0.77

00:46:00 and them coming into the school system and indoctrinating our children 0.99

00:46:04 and removing them, moving them away from a life of purity

00:46:07 so that they can come to a point where once again,

00:46:12 that, you know, we wait until marriage to have sexual relations.

00:46:18 And the sexual revolution started with the father of the sexual revolution,

00:46:24 which was Alfred Kinsey, back in, you know, the 40s, 50s, 60s,

00:46:28 towards the 60s is really when it began to unleash.

00:46:32 Laws were changed, but a breakdown in society. 0.62

00:46:36 We have the evidence to prove that abstinence, that waiting till marriage,

00:46:41 leads to the healthiest marriages, stronger marriages, a stronger society, and being firm

00:46:49 in your faith so that you can raise your children in the way they should go, and when they're old,

00:46:54 they will not depart from it. So there is a really major, big, as Klaus Schwab said,

00:47:01 we need a great reset. Just not Klaus Schwab's kind of great reset. We need to get back to God

00:47:07 as a society so that we can protect our children young people like yourself you know who are who

00:47:14 were just open to all these white woke ideologies that were hitting society to remove them I'm

00:47:22 going to say it from Hollywood to remove them from the classroom and that you know if people

00:47:27 in adulthood want to have these conversations have at it but we need to give our kids the

00:47:31 best chance possible to be you know strong and healthy and thrive and focus on what matters

00:47:36 what's important as they move into adulthood yeah absolutely so yeah what do you think

00:47:46 i was curious to know like i know that you mentioned a few things like maybe if you

00:47:51 knew that your child had a heartbeat if somebody had said do you think that

00:47:56 informed consent like if somebody had sat down with you probably like if you were at a pro-life

00:48:03 clinic they would have sat down and said this is actually what transpires during abortion they

00:48:09 would have educated on you but an abortion clinic is an industry a money-making industry that's why

00:48:16 they're in the classrooms with Planned Parenthood teaching kids about sexuality and promiscuity 0.71

00:48:22 because that leads to you know more customers in the abortion clinic but if the abortion clinic

00:48:28 was forced to have given you a full education on the process and what was happening might that

00:48:34 have changed your mind would that have been helpful i mean it's hard for me to say in general

00:48:39 because my heart was so hard but i i don't think it would have hurt i think it would have been i

00:48:43 mean just in general it's not real choice if you don't have all the information so just if we if

00:48:49 we even want to use the the pro-choice rhetoric well that's not even a choice then and it's

00:48:55 interesting to me because if you go get any other surgery or any other medical procedure,

00:49:00 if there's even like the smallest percent chance of something, they're telling you because it's

00:49:04 a liability to not. And so it's fascinating to me that in this domain, it's like, and I think they

00:49:10 think, well, we're just going to protect them because, you know, they're already going through

00:49:13 a hard time. We don't want to like tell them everything that's going on. I mean, I don't

00:49:16 know for sure, but that's, that's the charitable, I guess, way to, to see it. I do believe there is

00:49:22 you know, obviously a spiritual dynamic at play that's wanting to keep hidden what's actually

00:49:26 going on. But I do think it might have helped because even when I talk about how I thought

00:49:35 about adoption, but I didn't really know what adoption entailed. I didn't know that there's

00:49:40 a wait list of people that you could have your pick of who you would choose and, and that you

00:49:45 can, you know, change your mind up till 10 days. I think it's 10 days after the baby's born. If

00:49:49 you decide you actually do want to parent. You know, I had no positive adoption stories and I

00:49:55 had no negative abortion stories. So I was overemphasizing the negatives with parenting

00:50:01 and adoption. And I was completely underemphasizing or eradicating altogether any type of negative

00:50:09 repercussion with abortion. And so I think had they even just told me what abortion really is,

00:50:15 I think that would have been important. And even, I mean, the emotional impacts of it too,

00:50:19 I later found a study that I think was in the British Journal of Psychiatry, and it said that 80 or 81% of women who have abortions experience things like depression, anxiety, PTSD, suicidality, alcohol and drug abuse. And I experienced all of those except drug abuse. And I thought, well, man, that's a pretty high percentage. Why did no one actually tell me that?

00:50:42 Like, so, yeah, I think that's definitely, bare minimum, very important.

00:50:48 Right, yeah, I know that when I was a very young girl, I was about 16 years old, I had

00:50:52 somebody close to me who had had an abortion, and I can tell you it's affected their whole

00:50:58 life.

00:50:59 And the griefs, some dysfunctions, you know, a Christian person as well.

00:51:07 So knowing that the Lord forgives, but unless you really, I think, go through a really healthy

00:51:13 process with the support of others and really look to God and forgive yourself, because

00:51:19 God has said, how dare you, right?

00:51:21 I forgive you and make you white as snow.

00:51:23 How dare you not forgive yourself at that point? 1.00

00:51:26 And I think if women really understood that that's the heart of our Father, is that when

00:51:31 we come before him in repentance and he forgives us, then we're made as white as snow. And yet

00:51:38 people still then go back and carry that again with unforgiveness towards themselves. And it's

00:51:44 really, it is a process. Now, this woman's right to choose is interesting because that's what's 1.00

00:51:52 pumped out. And you were just saying that you didn't know any negative stories about abortion,

00:51:58 yet you had a friend who had had one and you see the negative choices and lifestyle of that person

00:52:04 because there is an effect. What other effects would you say that women who go through abortion,

00:52:12 I know that I've seen further promiscuity to the point where it really hurts that person and their

00:52:18 spirit because when you become one with somebody and then you cut that relationship off and

00:52:23 somebody else this this all of this travels with you it's baggage it becomes baggage so is there

00:52:28 anything more that you could um add and i know kim is saying even some general side effects uh

00:52:35 for women of this process well and and i see now when i look at that friend her life and i connect

00:52:42 the dots but at the time i i just i didn't and so um and she was because they keep it secret women

00:52:48 who have abortions they keep this secret because there's shame and nobody needs to know i could do

00:52:53 quietly and and uh so i think that uh naming these will help others to be more compassionate

00:52:59 towards people who have or see the warning signs if i could say that may open up a loving conversation

00:53:05 with somebody who's hurting yeah absolutely i mean definitely

00:53:09 depression and anxiety which can look a little different in a lot of people but you know your

00:53:16 life starts to get gray and you disconnect with things things you found joy in doing are not as

00:53:21 joy-inducing. I mean, even me distancing myself from my femininity, I wonder sometimes how much

00:53:27 that was actually also potentially related to the abortion because on some level, I didn't want to

00:53:31 be associated with the very thing that allowed me to bear life in the first place. Yes, to increased

00:53:38 promiscuity. And there's often this sort of like replacement baby syndrome where you're so grieved

00:53:43 at what's happened that you want to have another baby, but then you end up being in the same

00:53:48 situation where you're like, oh, well, I can't have this baby. And then you get another abortion.

00:53:51 And so, unfortunately, that can also be really common, just kind of repeat abortions, which is

00:53:56 really, really sad. And yeah, you know, this whole notion about choice is so interesting to me

00:54:05 because, well, first of all, we're talking about two people, not just one person, but also it's

00:54:12 not doing the woman any favors to get an abortion. So, you know, when people are proclaiming from

00:54:17 the rooftop that this is female empowerment it's not female empowerment to end the life of your 0.59

00:54:22 own child we're made with an innate desire to care for and love our children and whether we

00:54:29 want to pretend it's a cluster of cells or not on a level it we know it's our child and there

00:54:35 is grief from that there is difficulty from that and people can certainly consciously or

00:54:41 unconsciously put that into the back of their mind and deny for years and years but you know

00:54:46 when I share my testimony often, I hear from women who say, well, thank you for sharing.

00:54:51 Cause I've never told anyone. I remember one of the first times I shared a woman who was in her

00:54:55 late eighties said, well, I've never really pulled anyone. I haven't even told my daughter

00:54:59 I had an abortion when I was 17 and she had tears in her eyes. And she says like,

00:55:03 I've never been able to tell anyone. And, and she was a Christian and she's like, you know,

00:55:07 I know that, you know, God's forgiving, but clearly that is something that had,

00:55:11 had taken a hold on her. And that because she hadn't shared it and processed it with the Lord,

00:55:16 It had just created this deep wound, and I do believe that the Lord does want to bring

00:55:21 healing and forgiveness to those who seek Him.

00:55:24 He doesn't want people to be weighed down by this.

00:55:26 That doesn't mean He's condoning it.

00:55:28 Obviously, if anyone's pregnant now and is thinking about it, choose life, because life

00:55:33 is a blessing, and you will be blessed by that life, and you won't regret it.

00:55:39 The reality is, too, that I didn't know.

00:55:41 I was already a mother at eight weeks at conception.

00:55:44 I was already a mother.

00:55:45 And so, you know, it's a misnomer to say, well, you know, what should I do?

00:55:50 Because that child's already in existence, so the consequences are already permanent.

00:55:54 I think I had this idea that, like, if I choose parenting and adoption, that's a permanence I can't walk away from.

00:55:59 But if I choose abortion, I can just end it and keep going with my life.

00:56:03 You know, that was just the notion, I think, that I had.

00:56:06 But that's not true.

00:56:07 There's a permanence no matter what.

00:56:09 it's just in the case of abortion that permanence is generally hidden inside the person in the form

00:56:14 of grief and a recognition of what you've done for the rest of your life and god is forgiving

00:56:19 and he has healed and he's brought so much um relief but the reality is is that my heart is

00:56:24 still heavy for the fact that i don't have my child and i'm very aware it's 2026 it's 10 years

00:56:30 uh you know that my child would have been 10 had i had her and i i i'm never not aware of that

00:56:36 And I've heard that from many post-abortive women, you know, they're keenly aware of their

00:56:41 abortion anniversary and, you know, their child's age. And, you know, when you see people with a

00:56:46 mom and their child or whatever, and you're like, wow, that child's about the age my child would

00:56:50 have been. And, you know, various things. And these are all things that, you know, it's the

00:56:55 reality of us living here. I do believe my child is with the Lord and I will see her again. And I'm

00:57:00 so thankful for that. But there's consequences to sin. And so there is a grief that stays with me.

00:57:05 Right. Yeah, I would agree. And the abortion as well, you can have, sorry, in adoption, I mean, is that if you had taken that route when that child hits 18, it could be where your name is listed.

00:57:20 There's agreements like that terms so that when that young person is an adult, they can seek you out and see if there's a relationship to be had and healing it in a time when, you know, you're mentally maybe more fit, have had a season of understanding and could even mend in a different way.

00:57:39 But the abortion is permanent.

00:57:41 Now, I just want to, we're coming to the top of the hour.

00:57:43 So what I want to do is I'm going to share my screen.

00:57:45 I'm going to play that short clip so our viewers can understand what a 21-week-old baby looks like, and then that will go back to the video I've already played for a clearer understanding on this.

00:57:58 I want to talk about 24 No More briefly, and I understand the concept that we need to start somewhere with an abortion law.

00:58:06 We agree that 24 weeks is way too late, especially after we've seen tonight, but this is the mentality around how we have to approach elected officials.

00:58:15 I'm thinking that if elected officials had to sit down and watch these videos and hear a testimony like yours,

00:58:21 that we could get a better decision, like the heartbeat bills in the United States.

00:58:26 And that once there's a heartbeat, you know, that that's no longer an option.

00:58:29 You know when you miss your period, you know something's late, you know how to test. 0.92

00:58:33 And all of this is available to women nowadays. 0.99

00:58:35 They don't have any excuses anymore to prolong that. 0.84

00:58:40 So we'll play this.

00:58:42 then I'm going to bring up the few links about the abortion pill reversal.

00:58:47 We'll kind of do a wrap on that.

00:58:49 Those links will be available.

00:58:52 Thousands of babies are being saved through the abortion pill reversal.

00:58:56 And so we'll talk about that in just a moment.

00:58:58 Let's take a baby at 21 weeks.

00:59:01 Hold up.

00:59:04 This is a baby at 21 weeks.

00:59:07 Okay.

00:59:09 The baby can feel pain, right?

00:59:12 yes and the baby's pretty developed right yes and do you know the name of the procedure that

00:59:19 the doctor would use to abort that baby at 21 weeks i'm not a doctor but i believe it's a dnr

00:59:26 it's called dilation and evacuation and then the doctor would take what's called it

00:59:32 the doctor would call it a sulfur clamp it's really a pair of pliers with sharp teeth on the end

00:59:40 And without giving the baby any pain medication

00:59:44 And start tearing the baby apart

00:59:46 Is that right?

00:59:48 As far as I understand the procedure 1.00

00:59:50 And she might start with the legs and pull them out 1.00

00:59:53 And the arms and pull them out, right? 0.90

00:59:55 And then she might go for the heart or the spine

00:59:59 And just pull the baby out piece by piece 0.99

01:00:01 Is that right?

01:00:03 Without giving the baby pain medication

01:00:05 That's what I understand the procedure to be 0.92

01:00:08 Okay, so then the doctor would go in and use those pliers to crush the baby's head.

01:00:14 Is that right?

01:00:16 Not as far as I'm doing. 0.80

01:00:18 And then she'd pull the head out, the crush skull out, right?

01:00:22 Senator Kennedy, your time has expired here.

01:00:25 Well, you gave the others one.

01:00:26 So I just was playing this because you could see this woman's face if you're reading this.

01:00:32 she's having it presented to her what actually is transpiring during this process.

01:00:40 And so this is 21 weeks old, all right?

01:00:43 This is the size of a baby as he has shown on that chart.

01:00:48 And so when I met Jocelyn, she has joined a group called 24 No More in Alberta.

01:00:54 They are desperately trying to get legislation moving there.

01:00:58 I would like to see it go down to the seven weeks, to the heartbeat bill, but we need something on the table.

01:01:05 I agree.

01:01:06 We need something on the table.

01:01:07 We need to start putting an end to this.

01:01:09 This is Jocelyn's website, Restored and Redeemed.

01:01:15 I would encourage you to look this up and to follow Jocelyn, and then this will also be added to our website because we want women to have access to this.

01:01:27 the abortion pill reversal. So, that means if you've taken the abortion pill,

01:01:33 they can actually reverse that. They can actually save your baby. And according to this, you will

01:01:39 see that tons of beautiful babies, thousands of beautiful babies have been saved. And I'm going

01:01:43 to add a praise the Lord to that. There's also Gentle Answers Podcast, which is as well,

01:01:51 jocelyn interviewing people so be sure to subscribe to her down in the states there's

01:01:58 abortion free docu series this is an official trailer and even though that they've overturned

01:02:04 roe versus wade abortions are abortions are still going on in uh states where abortion law is in

01:02:11 place uh to uh to stop abortion i mean these people are relentless and so we've got to stay

01:02:18 on it. We've got to work hard, and we're going to really have to press into Canada and start this

01:02:23 going here. Now, there's also a call for churches to become a house of refuge. I'm going to include

01:02:29 this on our page as well. So, we've given a lot of great information tonight. I'll just bring you

01:02:36 back on with me, Jocelyn, as we stop sharing screen. So, is there anything there that you

01:02:42 would like to add to some of the resources that I've just presented before we wrap up?

01:02:51 I think those are great. Yeah, if people want to go check them out and read more about them,

01:02:55 House of Refuge is awesome as a church because it's a way for the church to be the church again

01:03:00 and to speak about abortion and to be a place where people can run to when they're in crisis,

01:03:04 not from. And with 24 No More, yeah, I know a lot of people think, man, that's so late,

01:03:11 And it is so late. The reality though, is we have nothing and we've had nothing since 1988

01:03:15 and we got to start somewhere. And we have, we have, uh, people who are unwilling to have

01:03:23 conversations about this at all. Um, but 24 is something that it seems like people in Alberta,

01:03:29 cause this is actually provincial, um, are willing to potentially get behind to defund

01:03:33 abortion after 24 weeks. So definitely check that out. And if people have more questions,

01:03:37 they can ask me okay well that's awesome and that was a good point so it's not is it that

01:03:44 they're not getting abortion legislation put in in place in alberta but taxpayers are paying for

01:03:50 this this is coming out of our we are funding abortions just like we are funding trans surgeries 0.96

01:03:55 and medications and all of this to mutilate our children and so taxpayers you know we're the 0.68

01:04:00 majority we need to have a voice and that voice needs to show up in advance of elections i've

01:04:06 and going over and over this as a solution every single week.

01:04:09 You need to raise up good, godly leaders from within the church,

01:04:13 whether it's at all levels of government, municipalities, trustees, MLAs, MPPs, and MPs.

01:04:19 And we need to help these people get elected because we would not be in this situation.

01:04:24 This would not be so difficult to get legislation in place if we were electing the right people.

01:04:30 As I started and began at the beginning of the show,

01:04:33 Maxime Bernier with the People's Party of Canada and Rod Taylor with the Christian Heritage Party

01:04:39 are the only two parties in Canada that are willing to put legislation forward. And yet

01:04:44 Christians, millions of Canadian Christians continue to vote conservative who have no 0.99

01:04:50 interest in protecting our kids from this mutilation and the conversion therapy. They 1.00

01:04:55 all voted in favor of it and as well in putting abortion legislation forward. And so we need to,

01:05:00 as a society, as Christians, we need to get very serious about this, because once we start

01:05:07 being uncompromising to the Word of God, God is going to show up in ways that are miraculous.

01:05:13 Once we turn to Him and say, we're going to have the faith the size of a mustard seed,

01:05:17 we're going to trust you, Lord. We're going to start voicing this. We're going to start putting

01:05:20 candidates forward, and that's when we're going to start having great wins and have true momentum

01:05:26 on this so jocelyn is there anything further uh that you want to cover or discuss i just i just

01:05:34 want to show you these little models because this is the eight week it's so hard to see but eight

01:05:41 weeks and then 10 weeks and then 12 weeks and i just these are very precious and i i use them

01:05:50 in sidewalk ministry but you know i think because we forget about the humanity of that little baby

01:05:55 It's not just a woman's choice and her body.

01:05:58 There's two bodies present.

01:05:59 So I just, I love these cute little, little ones.

01:06:02 And that's, that's being knit in the womb.

01:06:05 It's very intentional when God knits us.

01:06:07 And Jesus came in the womb too, right?

01:06:10 So sometimes when Christians say that they're pro-choice, I get confused about that because

01:06:15 that means that Jesus might've been aborted, our savior of the world.

01:06:20 So.

01:06:20 Yeah, I love that.

01:06:21 so so so precious and so well formed and developed and that's what God says we're precious we're

01:06:27 you know he knows us in our mother's womb and even life is tough life is tough for single

01:06:32 parents and that's why we have to get this right we have to start like even divorce uh we need to

01:06:39 come start coming out against a divorce and adultery adultery uh fornication which is sex

01:06:45 before marriage we need to start giving society a check so we can get back to God's favor

01:06:50 and when that happens our societies are going to flourish in so many ways and our children

01:06:55 are going to benefit from this as well so jocelyn jocelyn i just want to thank you again for your

01:07:02 courage and coming on and i pray that god would bless you in your ministry and that uh he would 0.99

01:07:08 just expand it more people need to hear your testimony and these women on the street that

01:07:15 would benefit from your little baby models, little babies in the womb. And so just God bless you

01:07:23 ferociously and all that you're going to do. Thank you so much. And I just want to say one

01:07:28 quick thing too, because for people who think like, well, but what are you going to do for

01:07:31 the women? That's actually what house of refuge is too, is that people can come. Like my church 0.99

01:07:35 is a house of refuge. So when we talk to women, we're like, we're willing to walk alongside you. 0.55

01:07:38 We have mentors that are ready to walk with you. You don't have to do this alone. We want to help

01:07:42 you financially emotionally you know physically whatever you need right so so the church can show

01:07:48 up in that way and and ultimately disciple people to know jesus which is the most important thing

01:07:53 so this house of refuge uh would pastors be able to reach out to them because we're going to have

01:07:59 that link in the description of these this video and we really encourage pastors uh to reach out

01:08:06 then and make sure that you have something developed within your uh body where you are a

01:08:11 House of Refuge and Women in Crisis, their first should be to come to their local church to seek

01:08:17 help. And I know that your testimony as well, having, I don't want to say being hurt within

01:08:23 the church, but being hesitant to even approach a church at that point. And so, ladies, we encourage

01:08:29 you, go beyond yourself and be courageous, walk into a church, request help, or reach out maybe

01:08:38 to these websites that we're providing you so that they can direct you to a church also.

01:08:45 Okay.

01:08:45 All right.

01:08:46 Thank you.

01:08:46 God bless you, Jocelyn.

01:08:48 Thank you.

01:08:49 Okay.

01:08:49 Bye.

01:08:50 All right.

01:08:51 Well, that was amazing.

01:08:52 I'm going to ask everybody once again that you would give us a like, subscribe, share

01:08:57 our information, and take me serious when I'm saying take these videos and send them

01:09:01 to your elected officials and ask them to respond.

01:09:04 asked them that if legislation is put forward, would they vote in favor of a bill to put a stop

01:09:12 to abortion? Or at least, for goodness sakes, we're supposed to be a civil society, and we're

01:09:17 the only civil society without any abortion legislation, and that really has to change.

01:09:24 All right, our guest next week is going to be David Lindsay. As we're talking about Christianity 0.97

01:09:28 and the way our nation is functioning, we're continuing to hit it hard about the coronation 0.68

01:09:33 Oath. So the title is Our Christian Heritage Hangs by an Oath. You know that Carney has just

01:09:41 announced a new Attorney General. She is one dangerous lady. She is very closely tied to the 1.00

01:09:48 United Nations. She is behind mass migration. She is behind the trans ideology. She was a judge that 0.65

01:09:55 oversaw a case here in Surrey about the books. Like, this is one woke lady. And we believe that

01:10:02 Action for Canada is the only one addressing Bill C-9 where our campaign immediately addressed our current Governor General about the coronation oath to advisor of her duties and limitations to this binding document.

01:10:17 This is not ceremonial.

01:10:18 So we've had nearly five months of pressing into MPs and Senators advising them all of their limitations on passing Bill C-9 because it is in violation to the Word of God and the Protestant Christian faith in this country, which they are bound to govern Canada by.

01:10:37 and we are going to keep putting this forward the new governor general is going to be hearing

01:10:44 about this we're going to have a campaign advising her of her duty and limitations as well this is

01:10:49 very important and i believe that there's maybe a chance that there was this shift in governor

01:10:57 generals because of the campaign where canada was bringing something to the light of carney

01:11:02 that he was probably oblivious of his limitations in what he's trying to push in Canada. And we

01:11:08 could truly overturn so much bad legislation. We would have abortion law legislation in this

01:11:15 country. We would come out against same-sex marriage and this campaign to attack our 1.00

01:11:21 children. I'm talking real business could get done. Real bills could get revoked, such as 1.00

01:11:26 conversion therapy ban. So, please get behind us. Please join us as we move forward in our appeal

01:11:34 to shut down Bill C9. And, okay, so the verses for tonight are Proverbs 31.8,

01:11:42 Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves. Ensure justice for those being crushed.

01:11:48 And I really thought, man, that is a powerful verse tonight. When I saw that, when I was looking

01:11:53 into Scripture to use tonight, that just hit me, hit me in the core, hit my soul as I'm listening

01:11:58 to these testimonies of, you know, the abortion process. Our babies are being crushed, and we

01:12:04 literally have to put a stop to this. The next Bible verse is from Isaiah 61, 1-2-3.

01:12:12 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings

01:12:17 unto the meek. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives,

01:12:23 and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.

01:12:25 And this is a real message for those who are living in the captivity and, you know, having

01:12:31 been through abortions and having extreme regret, being unable to forgive themselves.

01:12:37 This is what God wants for you, all right?

01:12:40 He wants to bind up the brokenhearted and to proclaim liberty to the captives and the

01:12:47 opening of the prison that you're living in right now and that you're bound in, to proclaim

01:12:51 the acceptable year of the Lord and the day of vengeance of our God to come against those

01:12:56 who have deceived us, right? Into all of this and vengeance of our God to comfort all that mourn

01:13:02 that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be

01:13:08 glorified. And the final verse that I chose for tonight is from Deuteronomy 30, 19 to 20.

01:13:15 Today, I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses,

01:13:21 Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make, oh, that you would choose

01:13:26 life so that you and your descendants, your children, might live.

01:13:32 You can make this choice by loving the Lord your God, obeying Him, and committing yourself

01:13:37 firmly to Him.

01:13:39 This is the key to your life.

01:13:41 This is the key to healing.

01:13:43 So thank you for joining us tonight.

01:13:45 I look forward to seeing you next week.

01:13:48 God bless you, and God bless Canada.

01:13:51 Welcome, Tonya.

01:13:53 God.

01:13:58 That's what I've got to say.

01:13:59 Look at this crowd.

01:14:04 I'm going to thank God and God alone for the ground that I'm standing on.

01:14:15 I'm going to thank our founding fathers for giving their lives

01:14:20 and sacrificing so much for our freedom.

01:14:26 And I'm calling on you today.

01:14:30 Don't put them to shame.

01:14:32 Don't waste what they did.

01:14:34 We have guaranteed rights in this country.

01:14:44 We are putting chapters across the nation.

01:14:47 We are going to be in every town and every city, and we are going to build communities

01:14:54 within these communities of like-minded people who are actually going to care for one another

01:14:59 again and love on each other and give each other the help when they're down.

01:15:04 We are going to use the teams and the people that build within chapters to support our

01:15:10 businesses.

01:15:11 The government's actions are completely, 100% unlawful.

01:15:17 judgment will again be found on justice and those with virtuous hearts will

01:15:24 pursue it. You have a virtuous heart if you are here today pursuing freedom and

01:15:32 righteousness. And then verse 23 comes along with a promise. God says he will turn the sins of evil people back on them.

01:15:43 he will destroy them for their sins I take great comfort in that because I

01:15:53 serve a mighty living God who has allowed us to go through this season of

01:16:00 discomfort because we as a nation have turned our backs on him and we need to

01:16:07 get right. So I am just going to thank you so much. I'm going to say God bless you and God bless Canada.

01:16:37 Thank you.

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Action4Canada - May 14, 2026

Jocelynn Rodrigues： Abortion Regret We Need A Law

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