Action4Canada - The Hidden Epidemic of Sexually Abused Males With Tanya Gaw & Dr. Kelli Palfy

00:00:00.000 because of the effort that offenders put into getting into these positions of trust, right?

00:00:04.360 Like, I think, you know, there's three stages of grooming. The offender will have to groom

00:00:09.320 himself to look the part. He'll have to groom the parent into believing that they're the least

00:00:15.580 likely person that you would ever suspect would harm a child. And then after all that is done

00:00:20.560 is when they will start to groom the victim. So, you know, establish a relationship with them. But

00:00:25.440 I think that's one thing, like the first part that we often miss is, like I say, how much effort

00:00:32.100 these guys will put into getting themselves into that position of trust, putting themselves to be

00:00:38.100 the indispensable person in that area, whether it's a hockey coach or a scout or the physiotherapist or

00:00:44.760 the team doctor or what have you. It's over 90% of the time offenders are somebody that is in a

00:00:51.720 position of trust, left alone somehow with the child. So honestly, I just, I caution parents,

00:00:57.820 if you're taking your kids to school events, if you're allowing them to join teams and stuff like

00:01:03.660 that, you have to be able to have access to them at any time, anywhere. Like, there's no closed door

00:01:09.800 policy anymore. It's just, I think we're so far beyond that now.

00:01:21.720 Welcome, welcome. We're so glad you can join us this evening. And I hope you're keeping warm and

00:01:47.040 cozy on these chilly winter evenings. It's January 17th, 2024. And this is the Empower Hour.

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00:03:09.160 In just a few moments, Tanya Gaw, the founder and leader of Action for Canada will be joining us.

00:03:15.800 For those of you who are new to the Empower Hour, Tanya and the Action for Canada team are on the front

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00:03:40.660 Joining Tanya tonight on the Empower Hour is our special guest speaker, Dr. Kelly Palfe. Kelly is a

00:03:48.420 registered psychologist and trained trauma therapist, as well as a retired RCMP officer.

00:03:54.740 She's the author of the book Men 2, unspoken truths about male sexual abuse, and the co-author of the

00:04:03.300 Creating Personal Safety series, a three book series designed to help parents have conversations

00:04:08.960 with their children about preventing sexual abuse, as well as identifying the warning signs of sexual

00:04:15.940 predators. She has also created a six part educational video series entitled The Hidden Epidemic of Male

00:04:23.540 Sexual Sexual Abuse. We are so grateful that Kelly can join us to discuss this very important

00:04:29.140 topic. Will you all please help me welcome Dr. Kelly Palfe.

00:04:35.380 Awesome. Thank you so much, Heather, and welcome, Dr. Kelly. I'm so excited about you being on the show

00:04:40.780 tonight. Action for Canada. Well, for myself, since 2017, we've been addressing what's going on in the

00:04:47.520 schools with the indoctrination of our kids and sexualizing them. And I would think that throughout

00:04:55.200 society, we are seeing our kids are at further and greater risk than any time in history of being

00:05:03.120 groomed and sexualized, not only boys, but girls. But tonight, we are going to focus on boys and the work

00:05:10.160 that you're doing. And I just want our viewers, one, I want to ask at the beginning of the show that this

00:05:17.040 is a really important and power hour. So I'm going to ask you to share this rumble video to give us a

00:05:22.480 thumbs up and to help us get the word out. That would be very helpful. We're not on YouTube. We're

00:05:28.960 not permitted to be on there because we talk about these controversial issues, but they're important.

00:05:33.760 And so we need this information getting out and we can't do that without your help. All right,

00:05:38.400 so please don't just watch it, but share it and give us a thumbs up. So Dr. Kelly, thank you so much

00:05:43.740 for being on the show. Thank you for having me. You know, we're going to dive right into this.

00:05:51.600 And I want to start by asking, like, it would, I think most people would say it would be unusual for,

00:06:00.020 you know, a woman coming out of all of this to be pursuing helping men come out of, you know,

00:06:05.580 these sort of circumstances of sexual abuse. It's not unheard of, of course, but what got you

00:06:11.540 started on this? How did the light bulb come on in your life to say, this is an area that is in so

00:06:18.060 much need of attention? And so I'm just going to give you the floor. Okay, first off, thank you for

00:06:23.440 the opportunity to talk to your audience. It's a real honor. So yeah, I have a bit of an interesting

00:06:30.260 background. I was, well, I started my career as a corrections officer. And I remember when I was

00:06:37.380 working in corrections, just noticing that there was a lot of men in prison compared to women.

00:06:42.440 And honestly, that didn't make sense to me. I remember questioning, like, why is this the case?

00:06:48.080 Like, it just didn't make sense to me. And then when I got into policing, eventually I went into the

00:06:54.660 sex crimes units and specialized in, actually was part of the inception of the integrated child

00:07:00.500 sexual exploitation unit back in 2002, and was trained as a subject matter expert. During one of

00:07:09.120 our training seminars, Sheldon Kennedy came and spoke to us, a bunch of seasoned sex crimes investigators,

00:07:15.320 and told us his story about how he'd been abused by Graham James, his coach. And he talked about the

00:07:22.620 reasons why he hadn't disclosed his abuse. And it broke my heart, to be honest. So what I noticed was

00:07:32.080 that, you know, we had all this evidence of, you know, seized video evidence from some of the

00:07:37.360 investigations we were doing, showing that boys and men were being abused as well. But we had zero

00:07:42.640 reports of them coming forward and asking for police support. So I just really started to question,

00:07:49.080 like, why is this the case? Why are we not seeing these reports when we know the crimes are being

00:07:53.860 committed? So yeah, so I, when I left the RCMP, I went back to school, did my doctorate degree,

00:08:00.800 and decided to research the subject of why are boys and men not reporting sexual abuse? So that's the

00:08:07.020 very, very, very short version. Right. And so for those of our viewers who don't know,

00:08:12.920 Sheldon, Sheldon, sorry, Kennedy was an NHL player. And when we think about that, really,

00:08:20.580 when we think about the predatory behavior, which we'll be getting into, but that trusted coaching

00:08:26.260 position. And, you know, for that young person who is seeing the NHL, you know, before them,

00:08:33.900 I could see that that would be an incredibly difficult situation for a young man, because these

00:08:41.020 are young mans, these aren't fully developed individuals, you know, who have the capacity

00:08:46.500 to think that through or how to deal with it, unless parents have done an incredible job to

00:08:52.240 discuss, you know, what do they call that danger, stranger danger, or even it shouldn't be stranger

00:08:58.660 danger, it's most likely, generally the people you know best. Yeah, yeah. Over 90% of abuse is

00:09:05.760 perpetrated by someone the child knows and possibly loves. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. When, when Sheldon

00:09:15.100 Kennedy, you know, started being abused by his coach, he was 13 or 15 years old. And when he talked about

00:09:21.260 the reasons why he hadn't reported his abuse, it shocked me. I mean, and you know, here, he talked

00:09:28.160 about, you know, exactly what you said, he had this NHL dream, he knew he had this skill set. And he said

00:09:34.440 he knew his coach had the means to get him there. So he literally had to choose between, you know, do I

00:09:39.200 want to suffer with this abuse? Or do I want to have a career as a pro hockey player? And also adding

00:09:45.160 to that, he knew that his new career was literally lifting his family out of poverty, you know, he was

00:09:50.060 apparently bringing an income in, he'd been raised poor. So the money that he was bringing in was helping

00:09:57.100 to support his family. So that's a lot of weight for a 15 year old to be carrying. But the real the

00:10:03.140 reason that broke my heart the most and absolutely shocked me was he said he felt like some of his

00:10:08.700 teammates parents knew about it and did nothing. That blew my mind would even and I don't know if

00:10:17.720 when the news came out, because I do remember the story, but not the details with Graham James.

00:10:22.460 He was arrested. Did he has he actually spent time in jail? Or is he out already? And were there other

00:10:27.580 young men that he had abused? I would imagine so. You know, I sometimes get these guys confused. I

00:10:34.660 don't think he's the one that died in jail. I think. Yeah, I do believe he was convicted. I honestly

00:10:39.300 don't remember what happened to him. Okay. All right. That's okay. One of the things I get a lot of

00:10:44.840 offender stories. I can understand that. So one of the things I want our viewers to know is that

00:10:51.160 you've done a six part series, and focus on the family whom I've listened to since I was a teenager,

00:10:57.520 because my mom would always have James Dobson on in the house learning about parenting and,

00:11:01.820 and other things. And I'm so fond of that organization. And I highly recommend I'm going

00:11:06.680 to provide a link, because they have a helpline as well. And I'm going to provide that link in the

00:11:11.280 description afterwards, when we post this on rumble. But something that you had said to me, I mean,

00:11:17.940 here you as well, were a trained, you were working in corrections, you were working in the RCMP,

00:11:25.900 I think at corrections at this point, I was listening to the series. And you said, Oh,

00:11:31.580 you are a police officer at the time, and you were getting bullied. And here you were,

00:11:36.600 you owned a gun and a badge. And you would go home and cry every day because of the bullying.

00:11:40.620 And here we have these kids without the, that kind of ability to be able to think and process this.

00:11:49.960 And even you felt in that situation, helpless, helpless to help yourself, because here's superiors,

00:11:56.400 powerful superiors in your life, who could effectively end your career. And I'm not sure

00:12:02.680 what the bullying that you did, that you described entailed. But it gives a good picture. If you as an

00:12:09.260 adult, we're going through this, how much more stressful for a child?

00:12:14.340 Yes. And that's exactly the part that, you know, really made me take such an interest in male

00:12:19.160 survivors. Because, you know, Sheldon Kennedy, he's 15. He's, you know, like all the reasons we

00:12:24.780 talked about, he's, you know, faced with this, like, absolutely horrible situation. I was an adult,

00:12:32.600 I was being bullied. I, you're absolutely right. These were my superior officers, I didn't know how to

00:12:37.960 stop it. I didn't know how to stand up for myself. I, yeah. And, and I just remember feeling so helpless

00:12:44.220 and thinking, like, this is ludicrous. This doesn't make sense. Like, I'm a police lady,

00:12:48.220 how could I, how could I be so bothered by bullying? But yet, you know, I'm in major crimes. I'm in,

00:12:53.760 I'm on the top of my game. I'm in the, my dream job, if I speak. And in the end, I was right. I spoke

00:13:00.020 out about it. I lost my career. So I wasn't wrong. Wow. It's just shocking. Yeah. Yeah. It's shocking

00:13:08.360 what's going on in the RCMP. And I'm not saying that are all RCMP officers are bad. I think there's

00:13:13.220 a lot of good ones, but they're being restricted in doing their job fully by the higher ups. And I

00:13:19.900 experienced that there is a predator that I believe is working in a school, and a new ICE unit had been

00:13:27.760 set up. And so one of my chapter leaders and I went and had a private appointment with this

00:13:35.040 officer and we laid it all out there, John Euler. He had attended, he assesses predators and he gives

00:13:45.400 profiles them. And so we brought him into the conversation and we had a lot of good evidence

00:13:50.840 to, that should have initiated an investigation. And instead, by the end, we had a case number,

00:13:55.320 instead, by the end, they closed the file. And, you know, and then I went to the Chilliwack RCMP

00:14:00.660 and last year, February, to have these books, looked at the pornographic books and sexually

00:14:07.940 explicit. I went on a Friday, they gave me a case number. And by the following Wednesday,

00:14:13.220 I had done it privately. I hadn't made it public that I was doing this. And all of a sudden,

00:14:18.020 it's all over the news that the police have determined that under the criminal code,

00:14:22.660 these books aren't determined, aren't pornographic or sexually explicit. But everywhere else in the

00:14:28.100 world, everybody's calling them. Any good common sense person is calling these books sexually

00:14:32.680 explicit. So we have some obstacles with our RCMP and we're grateful for somebody like you being on

00:14:38.660 the force. And I'm sure, I'm confident that you were making a difference.

00:14:43.640 Well, I'd like to think we were, and I agree, Tanya. There are still lots of great ones out there,

00:14:48.040 but some of them have their hands tied, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. And that's something

00:14:52.920 as we work towards a better government, that's something we're going to need to

00:14:56.200 take a look at and making sure that officers are in place. Because the RCMP with Commissioner

00:15:04.360 Lucky, I learned very quickly, she's the top cop, was the top cop. She's been replaced now.

00:15:10.340 And the commissioner of the RCMP is where politics stop. And that's where policing is 100%. And the

00:15:20.120 criminal code and the rule of law is all that's supposed to be on their mind. And Commissioner

00:15:24.840 Lucky was bringing in, saying that officers had to build a bridge with the LGBTQ, that they had to

00:15:31.440 celebrate Ramadan. They were bringing all the political issues into the RCMP. And that makes it

00:15:37.460 awfully difficult as well for people to do their job effectively. Now, I want to ask you, you had

00:15:44.880 also given an example of a young man that you had treated who had been abused. And it was the one

00:15:53.860 who had gone to the camp. And again, it was a coach who had abused him. He come from a really good

00:16:00.800 family, Christian family, the older brother had gone to the camp. And so this young man goes to the camp,

00:16:06.180 and this coach had held him back and groomed him and sexually abused him. And if I'm not mistaken,

00:16:13.220 he actually went on to become a police officer in the sexual crimes division. And I believe he was

00:16:20.980 responsible for having the assaulter arrested. Is that correct?

00:16:27.380 You've read my book.

00:16:29.300 Well, it was the series. It was in the series.

00:16:32.720 Right. Yeah. Yeah. That was part of his story for sure, that he was asked to go undercover and

00:16:39.000 to challenge his own offender. And he did exactly that. He said he was having a hard time not throwing

00:16:44.260 up while he was doing it, because he was so disgusted by the lies he was having to tell his offender,

00:16:49.080 just to help his offender believe that he was interested in doing that himself. Terrible.

00:16:54.700 Yeah, that's amazing. So could you tell me with working with the young men, the boys, the adults,

00:17:02.220 how are you finding how they are coping? And what is the recovery like? Like, I know that would be an

00:17:08.540 exceptional story. But as these men are finding an ability to speak out to get counseling, how is that

00:17:19.360 going? I don't know if there's a statistic or a rate for recovery. I know that you had maybe explained

00:17:25.940 to our viewers, maybe, I think, I don't know if you had already mentioned it about what you saw when

00:17:30.100 you were in corrections, like the amount of men that were in there who had been sexually abused and

00:17:37.280 how that contributed to drug addiction and other things. Is that correct?

00:17:40.540 Well, I mean, yeah, research shows that a lot of the prison population, somewhere between 75 and 90%

00:17:47.820 have had histories, including trauma and sexual abuse. So, you know, and as far as my own clients

00:17:55.080 and recovery, I think it depends on a lot of things for boys and men, right? Like, what we do know is

00:18:01.340 that it's happening a lot more than people suspect. And, you know, one of the things that makes it

00:18:07.360 possible for boys and men to recover is support from their parents, their peers, their environments,

00:18:12.680 right? Being able to talk about it. You know, I mean, I'm working with one male survivor now, and

00:18:20.240 he's doing quite well. But that's because him and his peers talked about it a lot before he ever came

00:18:25.420 forward, right? And, you know, I mean, I'm glad we are seeing a change in society, even compared to

00:18:31.120 when I did my research. I'm noticing that, you know, the conversations are starting to happen.

00:18:35.980 Boys and men are starting to feel safer coming forward. So that in itself makes a huge difference

00:18:41.340 in their ability to recover. Right, that's good. That's good news. There's two ways I want to go

00:18:48.220 right now. Actually, you know what, I want to talk about, you have a book series, because one of the

00:18:54.480 things that we need to do as parents, especially in this heated environment where our education system

00:19:00.400 now is brought with predators, and there's a lot of good teachers as well in our education system,

00:19:05.400 but we know that it's been infiltrated on purpose by individuals with a nefarious plan to sexualize

00:19:10.980 our children. It's just a fact. And so we need to do a better job of educating our kids. And I know

00:19:17.140 that with my children, whenever they would go out, I talked to them about, I had this little book

00:19:22.880 series called What's the Big Deal. And, you know, age appropriate, there was a three part, four part

00:19:30.060 series. And they would talk about, you know, touching and that your body was private. And this

00:19:35.720 isn't something I believe that the school should be teaching our kids. This is something we because

00:19:39.780 they could be grooming our children about what appropriate touching is or isn't. And and so then

00:19:45.760 you question and ask your kids, you have a conversation with them, when they come home,

00:19:50.560 even if it's with that trusted person. But Trendsio, could you bring up Dr. Kelly's books,

00:19:56.320 and so we can just let people know before we before she describes them, where where they can be found

00:20:02.700 on your website? Or okay, so this is is this right on Amazon? Or is this the website?

00:20:08.520 That's Amazon there by the looks of it. That's, that's my book for male survivors and their

00:20:14.760 supports. And then we also have a children's series that we wrote as well. Three part series

00:20:20.300 called the personal safety series. Okay, could you bring up one of those books, Trendsio? There's

00:20:26.560 there was three links, I think. But even if we bring up one, when you scroll down the other two books

00:20:30.760 generally on Amazon are included. Oh, there you go. Okay, so you've got one right there.

00:20:36.560 All right. Yeah, that one is unfriend her. That's for teenagers or early teens. And it's all about

00:20:45.500 warning kids about how easy it is to get caught up in human trafficking and what to do about it,

00:20:50.760 basically. Okay. And okay, so there we go. And this is your website, I believe that Trendsio has

00:20:57.700 brought up now. And the name of your website? KellyPelfie.com. KellyPelfie.com. That's easy to

00:21:06.140 remember. And on the page that I sent out the weekly update when we bring a guest on, I always

00:21:12.180 do a bio page and I'm going to be including the bio page in the description. So if you want any of

00:21:18.340 this information, just scroll down in the rumble description when we post this and you can find

00:21:22.960 more of Dr. Kelly's information. You can find the series on the books of how you can speak with your

00:21:29.620 kids as well. Is there anything you want to add to? Oh, here's one. Okay. The unsafe neighbor,

00:21:35.240 for instance. That's a good title. Yeah. Yeah. That one's about warning about how, you know,

00:21:42.880 sometimes somebody that we introduce to our child that starts off as safe can turn out to be unsafe.

00:21:48.560 So that one just is an example of that. So little boy gets groomed by his fellow that his dad works

00:21:58.120 with. Okay. And this one? That one is called Positively Me. And that was one that my colleague

00:22:05.860 wrote. She wrote a book about a child attending to therapy. All right. Okay. Well, these are very

00:22:13.860 helpful resources and we really appreciate you going over this. So Unfriend Her. I'm curious to

00:22:19.440 know what that one is about. Unfriend Her. Unfriend Her, that's about human trafficking. So that one

00:22:25.280 is about a young girl whose best friend is a year older than her and best friend goes off to high

00:22:32.860 school. So she's lonely and feeling alone and winds up making friends with some people in the wrong

00:22:38.540 group. And, uh, just, yeah, the friend in the wrong group, uh, has an older brother who's in

00:22:44.840 university and wants to take pictures of the young girls basically. Right. Yeah. What a, what a vicious

00:22:51.180 cycle, you know, that these kids can get themselves wound up in and just so naively. Um, thank you for

00:22:58.240 doing that. Uh, could you tell us, um, one of the things that we said is, uh, more prevalent with the,

00:23:05.560 with boys and young men is that they stay silent. Yes, absolutely. So I go ahead.

00:23:13.540 No, is it, I want you, if you could explain why do they stay silent?

00:23:18.160 Yeah, there's a lot of reasons that was the whole basis of my research. And, but, but, you know,

00:23:23.680 I mean, the, the most common reason was honestly that it was their experiences were so traumatizing

00:23:29.540 that they blocked the memories of them. That was that, uh, well, trauma, not necessarily the

00:23:35.400 blocked memories, but that was one of the most predominant reasons. Other reasons were that

00:23:40.640 they were worried about, sorry, can you hear my dog barking upstairs? Nope. You're all good.

00:23:45.180 Okay. Um, yeah, the other reasons were, um, you know, things like their abuse was too difficult to

00:23:52.880 talk about. They did, they didn't know how to talk about it. Um, sometimes they were confused about

00:23:59.520 whether or not they were abused. That's a really common thing, honestly. Um, lots of times, you know,

00:24:06.780 if a young man is talking about a situation, you might be able to assess and say, okay, that was

00:24:12.580 sexual abuse, but they might not necessarily identify that for themselves. So that's a common

00:24:18.100 reason to sort of this lack of knowledge, lack of awareness that it can happen to boys too. Um,

00:24:24.040 sometimes when they, unfortunately, as you mentioned, Tanya, in the beginning, like these, uh, pedophiles

00:24:30.320 will infiltrate like the school systems and stuff like that, and they work together. So in a couple

00:24:36.160 instances, uh, like participants in my research went to their own schools, went to their counselors or

00:24:42.360 teacher, uh, therapist and tried to report their abuse and were actually sexually abused again. So these

00:24:49.360 guys, unfortunately, I'd love to share more about the grooming process with you, but these guys will

00:24:55.460 get working, collaborating with each other, get each other positioned so that when, when, you know,

00:25:01.160 if a child does come to report that the person that they report to is actually another offender as

00:25:05.500 well. So it is just crazy how they're organized. Um, the whole grooming process itself, like the fact

00:25:12.620 that they would have had a preexisting relationship plays a big part in it. Groomers will,

00:25:18.360 offenders will work really hard to, you know, win an affection of, win a position of trust and

00:25:24.640 affection of their intended targets. And that's very confusing for the boy or man, young man, who's

00:25:31.560 been, you know, social interacting with this person for weeks, months, sometimes even years before they

00:25:37.520 offend against them. So, um, the offenders will work really hard to make it, um, like make it appear

00:25:43.880 like it's a consensual relationship when really their whole agenda, the whole time was to offend

00:25:49.180 against them once they reached their age of preference. So that preexisting relationship is,

00:25:55.400 is one reason. Um, sometimes boys will test the waters by making a partial disclosure or something

00:26:02.600 like that. And, you know, depending on how that person handles it or receives it, it can either like

00:26:08.160 give them the courage to keep talking or shut them down. And unfortunately, traditionally anyways,

00:26:14.400 boys have been largely shut down, whether it's by their peers or by, you know, parents. Lots of times

00:26:20.860 kids will stay silent because they don't think their parents can handle the information. They think that

00:26:25.760 it's going to be too hard for them. They're protecting their parents or protecting their parents'

00:26:31.960 reputation. For example, if it happens in the church and dad happens to be the pastor or something

00:26:37.740 like that, boys will just say, you know, they're doing what boys and men are trained to do and

00:26:42.220 they're protecting. So yeah, um, that there used to be a myth that, you know, if you were, uh,

00:26:48.960 victimized, you're destined to become an offender. So that's another big reason that boys and men will

00:26:53.940 stay silent. They don't want to risk being labeled as a possible offender. Um, yeah, fear, sometimes

00:27:01.780 they're threatened, right? Sometimes they're dependent on their abuser. Um, you know, uh,

00:27:08.760 yeah, sometimes lots of times they'll, the offenders will find a boy who's in desperate need of

00:27:15.460 attention. And, um, then, you know, once they start getting that attention, they like it, they become

00:27:23.000 dependent on that attention. So, you know, if they report their abuser, there goes their only source of

00:27:28.660 attention, that kind of thing. So, you know, the one thing that I came to understand from doing my

00:27:33.460 research, Tanya, was that their reasons are really complex and they might start out for one reason,

00:27:39.000 but then, you know, as they mature, as they learn about sexual matters, as they come into their own

00:27:43.840 sexual identities, their reasons can change. So I think it's, it's really complex for boys and men,

00:27:50.640 the reasons why they don't report. Well, and one of the things that you had brought up as well in the

00:27:55.620 series is that, uh, predators will introduce young people to pornography. And then that, um, so if a

00:28:05.280 young boy is getting aroused by seeing naked women, which would be a natural effect for a young boy, and

00:28:12.280 then, you know, the predator in the one instance had then managed to get the boy aroused. And so that

00:28:19.160 was under a different way of doing it that was unnatural. And so now this begins to grow the

00:28:24.920 confusion, the shame, and then who's going to want to talk to somebody about that, um, incident.

00:28:31.640 And this is why I always am going to be throughout, you know, the show making a cross-reference

00:28:37.040 to the SOGI 123, Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity, known by the UN as the Comprehensive Sexuality

00:28:44.820 Education or Win Sex Ed in, uh, Ontario. It's all known by a different name, but it is all intended

00:28:50.940 to sexualize our children at the earliest age possible. And the way they're doing it is by

00:28:55.780 introducing, uh, pornography at a very early age. And that's how all of these books have strategically

00:29:02.600 and intentionally been put in our school systems. I mean, any other time we'd be shocked by having

00:29:09.080 this material in the school system, but it's part of the plan. And what is the other thing that we hear

00:29:13.600 the UN and Comprehensive Sexuality Education promote, promote, promoting is masturbation.

00:29:19.340 So we literally, I've been trying to help parents understand that the education system

00:29:27.060 is the biggest indoctrinating grooming system in Canada that we have, a mass grooming system.

00:29:35.480 Yeah. And, and, and our ministers of education and, um, union leaders, super school superintendents,

00:29:43.040 I believe in BC that the, there are many school superintendents who may be, um, I don't, uh,

00:29:50.280 you know, let's just say they're very closely aligned. And there is a district with many principals

00:29:57.300 who are reported as being, uh, masons as well. Uh, there's some really sick stuff going on in the

00:30:03.760 background and yet here, parents are going to be listening to this show. And yet, uh, tomorrow

00:30:09.080 morning, they're going to go drop their kids off at school with their lunch and say, have a nice day,

00:30:12.940 honey. So if you're doing that, you need to be having a conversation with your children because

00:30:17.600 our schools are one of the greatest risks for parents in this country at this point currently.

00:30:24.060 Yeah. Tanya, back in the early 2000s, when we first started up the ICE unit, the, like a large

00:30:29.720 majority of our offenders were associated to schools. You're absolutely right.

00:30:34.960 Oh, well, more and more, you're seeing headlines of teachers in North Vancouver. Uh, the principal,

00:30:40.320 I, I believe is one of the, sorry, superintendents or somebody is homosexual. They're hiring, uh,

00:30:45.880 deviants. I'm going to call them deviants because they're being arrested for child pornography.

00:30:50.160 And, and, uh, there's multiple incidents of this, especially in the areas where you've got a

00:30:56.780 school board superintendent who is pro, um, I, it's not, I'm not even going to say LGBTQ because

00:31:02.960 it's not the gay and lesbian. Their, their platform got sabotaged and taken over by the sexual trans

00:31:09.820 deviancy who have the agenda to sexually groom our kids. Right. And so we want to always make a

00:31:16.740 distinction. The plus. The plus are the ones we need to be worried about, right? The, what is the plus?

00:31:22.480 That's pedophilia. Right. So something you said a few minutes ago was so key that we,

00:31:29.440 you know, I think gone are the days when we can rely on the education system to teach our kids

00:31:34.160 proper information. We have to be educating our kids for exactly the reasons you talked about,

00:31:39.540 because, you know, you, I'm literally writing a book on this right now. It's going to be called

00:31:44.480 speaking the truth in love. Mama bears guide to keeping her son safe. Uh, it should be out hopefully

00:31:49.540 by summer 2024, but, um, it's literally about how we need to be educating our kids first, because

00:31:56.260 if we don't, they're bombarded with all kinds of false information, biblical doctrine, the law of

00:32:02.740 first mention, which teaches basically that every time we hear something for the first time, it becomes

00:32:08.640 our truth. We indoctrinate it as our truth. And then we compare all other information to that.

00:32:13.840 So as parents, we have to be the ones educating our kids with the truth so that they have the truth

00:32:19.960 to compare it to. Otherwise offenders will sell it to them as if, you know, your mom and dad don't

00:32:26.300 think you're mature enough to know this. They, they're holding out. They don't want you to have

00:32:29.920 fun, that kind of stuff. Very deceptive. Right. And one of the things that, um, is becoming an

00:32:36.100 objective of action for Canada and, uh, groups down in the United States is to actually have sexual

00:32:41.920 education removed from the schools because the foundation of that was from Alfred Kinsey

00:32:47.000 and the head of Planned Parenthood and the head of, uh, Playboy. What's his name? You can never

00:32:52.820 remember that guy's name. Anyways, these are somebody, somebody will think of it. Yeah. And,

00:32:58.940 and so these are the individuals, right. That were behind sexual education. And for people who are

00:33:03.560 hearing this for the first time, don't know who Alfred Kinsey is. He was a pedophile who took infants

00:33:10.300 and young children and had other pedophiles experiment on them and from infancy until they

00:33:17.500 had orgasms and all of this repeatedly, repeatedly, and then determined from those experiments that

00:33:24.560 children are sexual from birth. And therefore, if they're sexual from birth, then they should be

00:33:30.360 given the skills in how to deal with their sexuality. And that's how sexual ed came into the

00:33:36.440 school systems. So we need to pluck it out and we need to start talking about abstinence again.

00:33:43.040 And, uh, you know, because it is being proven statistics are finally coming out that where

00:33:47.680 kids are taught about abstinence, uh, they are the healthiest of, of any of them. So it's just amazing.

00:33:55.580 Yeah, there's, well, there's a, oh yeah, there's a couple of books like the, uh, good girl's guide to

00:34:02.360 great sex. It's all about research that shows that abstinence makes for the, uh, that one partner in

00:34:08.100 your whole life after marriage makes for the happiest partner. So I think that's a huge

00:34:12.420 strongest, strongest relationships. Yep. Strongest marriages. And you can see, uh, for anybody that,

00:34:19.600 uh, is watching the empower hour, but you didn't watch my weekly update, please make sure I'll have

00:34:23.760 it in the link below as well in the description, but please go back and watch it. Um, I happen to bring

00:34:29.620 up this demonic, uh, satanic temple, they're wanting to go against and wipe out all traditional

00:34:34.700 values in society. And, and so they're in Canada and that's what, you know, I played a short video

00:34:41.560 in the weekly update if people want to watch that, but that's their objective, not to what's tried and

00:34:47.360 true and what works is traditional values and to instill those in our children. Let's just, uh,

00:34:53.020 you know, break them down and then society at large. So, okay. Um, I'm just checking

00:34:59.180 the time here when I want to, I think we've covered a little bit of, uh, about the grooming.

00:35:04.140 Is there anything further that you want to add? Well, I, yeah, like I just, you know, like I think

00:35:11.560 one of the things that happens is, you know, that it gets missed because, you know, because of the

00:35:17.160 effort that offenders put into getting into these positions of trust, right? Like I think, you know,

00:35:22.500 there's three stages of grooming. The groomer, the offender will have to groom himself to look the part.

00:35:27.540 He'll have to groom the parent to, um, into believing that they're the least likely person

00:35:32.840 that you would ever suspect would harm a child. And then after all that is done is when they will

00:35:37.820 start to groom the victim. So, you know, establish a relationship with them. But I think, I think

00:35:43.260 that's one thing, like the first part that we often miss is, like I say, how much effort these guys

00:35:49.240 will put into getting themselves into that position of trust, putting themselves to be the indispensable

00:35:55.500 person in that area, whether it's a hockey coach or a scout or the physiotherapist or the team doctor

00:36:02.240 or what have you. It's 90, over 90% of the time offenders are somebody that is in a position of

00:36:08.900 trust left alone somehow with the child. So honestly, I just, I caution parents, if you're taking your

00:36:15.940 kids to school events, if you're allowing them to join teams and stuff like that, you have to be able

00:36:22.120 to have access to them at any time, anywhere. Like there's no closed door policy anymore. It's just,

00:36:27.800 I think we're so far beyond that now. Okay. And, um, is there anything like,

00:36:33.400 what are some of the warning signs? Well, um, you know, um, warning signs can be even just the way

00:36:41.020 boys and men are coping sometimes. Like, um, you know, sometimes they'll have drastic changes in

00:36:47.400 personality. Like, um, the, the boy that I talked about in my book, he, you know, he went away to

00:36:53.000 basketball camp and before he left, he'd had a girlfriend. He was on the basketball team.

00:36:57.600 He came home, he quit basketball. He started wearing baggy clothes. He broke up with his

00:37:02.740 girlfriend, started isolating some of these like extreme character, extreme personality changes

00:37:08.700 in, in younger kids, you know, depending on where their abuse is happening, it could be anything from,

00:37:14.620 you know, falling asleep in class to being the class clown. Like, you know, there's no one specific

00:37:21.420 tell, but you know, for sure, if a child is regressing developmentally, that's a big,

00:37:27.020 big red flag. Um, you know, in infants, sometimes they'll, they won't know what they're dealing with.

00:37:32.740 So they'll just say things like, mom, I don't want to go to daycare. I don't like the games they make

00:37:36.960 me play, that kind of stuff. We just really have to be asking questions in today's day and age,

00:37:42.180 like, honey, what kind of games are you talking about? You know, um, other warning signs would be,

00:37:48.160 you know, just the, the odd kid, right? Like, you know, you, you know, I hate to say it,

00:37:54.740 but back in my day, you know, like the odd kid got bullied. Now we're, you know, creating compassion

00:37:59.200 and awareness that, you know, what to, to ask the question, what's going on with this kid rather

00:38:03.620 than to bully them. Right. So oftentimes the odd kid is somebody who's struggling with trauma.

00:38:09.620 Like, you know, they're traumatized at home or they've, God forbid, developed like dissociative

00:38:14.500 identity disorder or something like that in order to be able to deal with their trauma. So, um,

00:38:20.740 yeah, I mean the isolated kid, sometimes it's a class clown because they'll really,

00:38:26.140 they'll use humor to distract from the reality of what's going on. Right. Um, anytime, you know,

00:38:33.180 for example, a youth is avoiding, you know, sort of intimate relationships, oftentimes that can be

00:38:39.380 because they're like intimate, you know, relationships with their siblings or their

00:38:44.040 parent or whatever. Oftentimes that can be because they're afraid they might accidentally disclose.

00:38:49.060 So like, there's, there aren't any like specific if this happens then, but, you know, I think one of

00:38:55.800 the biggest warning signs we need to be aware of is anytime an adult's trying to isolate a child,

00:39:00.500 that is probably the biggest warning sign ever. Anytime an adult is not the parent trying to get

00:39:06.500 the child alone in any way, shape or form, whether it's, you know, in a doctor's office or,

00:39:11.960 you know, in a training session, that's the biggest red flag we could possibly state in my opinion.

00:39:18.420 Right. Okay. Yeah. We need parents to be in as involved and possible. And, uh, like Dr. Kelly's

00:39:24.100 saying, don't allow your children to be alone, uh, with another adult individual. Okay.

00:39:30.220 So I wanted to know, um, is it the majority, is it male men that abuse, sexually abuse, uh,

00:39:39.500 children, like whether it's male or female, whatever.

00:39:43.340 Tanya, that's a tough question because traditionally, if it's been a woman,

00:39:46.820 men are very reluctant to look at it like it's abuse. Right. So, um, I mean, statistically speaking,

00:39:52.880 I think, you know, there, there's different, different reports that say different things,

00:39:57.160 but I think we, we know that we could say conservatively, at least 30% of offenders

00:40:01.840 would be female. But, um, again, like I say, oftentimes it's seen as a coming of age. People

00:40:08.220 don't really look at it as if it is abuse, but it is right. So, you know, I mean, we always kind of say

00:40:14.240 that the one thing that we know for sure is that there's a lot of underreporting. So, you know,

00:40:19.600 we really don't have accurate statistics. Okay. And again, I'm going to go back to what's going on

00:40:26.480 in our school systems as well as that, um, I know that you, the stats that you provided and

00:40:32.200 is one in six boys are reportedly abused compared to one in three girls. And I would say that with

00:40:39.840 the sexualization programs going on in our schools, where you have an activist in the classroom that's

00:40:44.380 presenting this kind of, uh, material to kids, that's sexual abuse. And at any other time now

00:40:50.740 it's being called being inclusive, but make no mistake, parents, this, they're sexually abusing

00:40:56.020 your child at school and grooming them. If they're introducing this kind of material or not prohibiting

00:41:02.100 this material from being in the schools, you've got superintendents and people on school boards

00:41:06.940 who are behind this. And so then thus the question, the rising question, do we have an epidemic

00:41:13.520 of pedophiles and predators on our school boards, superintendents, and in our schools?

00:41:21.940 So we've got, you're, you're, you're, you and I would think alike, honestly, I, you know,

00:41:29.220 I get so exhausted because I mean, I've been, I've been talking, trying to educate people about

00:41:34.360 just the prevalence of male sexual abuse for years. And I said to a friend the other day,

00:41:39.040 like, it feels like it's too late. Like, it feels like it's like way past that, you know,

00:41:43.840 we're way past that now. Like it's, it's, it's crazy how indoctrinated this, you know, how,

00:41:50.960 how, yeah, it's just crazy how much is going on.

00:41:54.620 Yeah. And the good news is, is that where, you know, it's a pendulum and throughout history,

00:41:59.940 you know, the people start putting down their guard, they're living in a traditional values,

00:42:04.440 living a good life, working, tending to their kids. Meanwhile, in the background, the deviants

00:42:10.180 and those with an evil agenda are busy working and they're the 1%. And the 1% did this to our kids.

00:42:18.780 And so now it's time for us to rise up as the majority and undo it. And that is happening.

00:42:24.140 There's 26 states in the U.S. who are passing legislation against the sexualization of our

00:42:29.620 children, against sexually mutilating our children and against drag queens, et cetera. I mean,

00:42:35.400 laws against it. And then of course, in Canada, we've got Premier Higgs in Nova Scotia,

00:42:40.660 sorry, in New Brunswick who passed policy 713. And then Scott Moe, Premier Scott Moe in Saskatchewan

00:42:49.040 and Action for Canada, I'll keep saying it, was doing a humongous amount of work in the background

00:42:53.820 for many, many months leading up to getting SOGI and Planned Parenthood banned.

00:42:58.060 And a lot of parents were activated to even through other organizations saying,

00:43:03.240 you need to assert yourself and make those phone calls. You need to write those letters of

00:43:10.180 disapproval. But the greatest thing you can do is pull your kids out because those bums in seats are

00:43:16.240 dollars to not only to the school district, but to the union leaders. And these union bosses are full

00:43:22.580 on involved in this, which makes you question even them. If we had police that could investigate,

00:43:29.320 I tell you, they wouldn't, you know, they wouldn't be shorted for individuals. So the one thing before

00:43:34.620 I just go to another question is that I want to encourage people as well. We had John Euler on the

00:43:39.520 show previously, who I mentioned and about profiling sexual offenders. He's got over,

00:43:44.900 he lives in the United States, over 4,000 sexual offenders that he's dealt with. He's highly

00:43:50.920 qualified. And we did a two-part series on the white collar sexual psychopath and how to identify

00:43:58.800 them. It talked about the pornography being introduced as at the beginning. And then it's a very slippery slope

00:44:05.720 down that fall into deviancy and to a point where the predators become so immersed in it that they

00:44:15.280 actually get to a point where they enjoy harming others. And that's where a lot of the predators end

00:44:21.460 up in prison. But prior to that, I believe you have said that a predator will harm up to 150 or more

00:44:29.580 average, 150 children in their time, right? That's shocking.

00:44:36.520 Yeah, that's a preferential child molester. So someone who has a specific age and gender of

00:44:42.980 preference. Yeah. There's two different types of offenders, situational or preferential.

00:44:47.740 The situational will offend against anybody anytime the opportunity arises, whereas the preferential

00:44:53.080 will be the ones that put like considerable effort into grooming themselves to look the part.

00:44:58.500 Yeah. Right. And they're the ones like... Go ahead.

00:45:03.180 I was just going to say, as far as advocacy, also demanding that criminal record checks be done on

00:45:09.320 anybody who's being allowed to work with children, period.

00:45:14.060 100%. And that's still... I mean, it could be that they've still never been caught.

00:45:18.500 But you know what? It's a process that you need to do because, yeah, it could be a red flag for

00:45:24.860 somebody who is. And you know they won't even sign up then if they'll change their mind all of a sudden.

00:45:30.500 I remember talking about... Yeah, I got asked to get involved with the drag queen readings at the

00:45:40.000 library here just to, you know, have a voice in front of the council about it. And in the end,

00:45:45.380 they didn't let us. But I went home and did my homework on the drag queens that were,

00:45:50.220 you know, supposed to be doing their readings. And they all had the internet. Somewhere on their

00:45:55.300 personal profile pages, whether it be Facebook or Instagram, every one of them had the symbol for

00:46:01.320 pedophilia activity.

00:46:02.600 Exactly. And what we've been doing, we've got over 110 chapters nationwide and all of our teams are

00:46:10.080 mobilized. And when we hear that a drag queen is going to be performing locally, first thing I say

00:46:15.320 is always look them up online. Because when they're in their sexual deviancy mode on stage and performing

00:46:22.700 for other individuals, they're in their glory. And they don't mind posting that everywhere. They're so

00:46:28.260 proud of it. But then all of a sudden you pull this information up and you let your mayor and your

00:46:33.040 city council know or your school board know, this is who you have coming in. How can you have a sexual

00:46:37.660 deviant? Would you have a stripper coming in? And, you know, having been performing like that,

00:46:42.600 should they have access to children? And John Ehler has also said that any drag queen has an addiction

00:46:50.540 to pornography. And therefore, that's the first red flag and pose a risk to children. And we need to be

00:46:57.720 able to say that out loud. They shouldn't be around kids. It's not natural. And it's very suspect.

00:47:03.240 Right. And, you know, that's his research. I'm not familiar with that piece that they would all be

00:47:07.520 addicted to pornography. But I can, you know, I mean, definitely there's the grooming piece. There's the

00:47:13.040 creating the interest, piquing the interest, lowering the kids inhibitions, getting them comfortable

00:47:18.320 being touched. Like if they're doing a child's makeup, for example, if they're offering to do the

00:47:23.040 child's makeup, that's an opportunity. You know, one of the early stages of grooming is they will

00:47:28.960 get the child used to being touched. So, you know, you know, they're, they're having this child touch

00:47:35.400 them while they're dressed very provocatively. That's sexually suggestive. That's total grooming.

00:47:41.080 Absolutely. That's grooming.

00:47:43.440 Well, I know somebody has asked in the Q&A here, and if anybody has questions, I'm going to try to go

00:47:48.000 through a few of them before we wrap up the show, is showing explicit material to boys' abuse.

00:47:54.160 They can't unsee what is shown to, to, to them. It stays in the memory bank.

00:47:59.600 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, distribution of pornographic images, distribution, oftentimes they'll

00:48:05.020 show children images of children with adults, which is definitely a criminal activity. They'll do this

00:48:12.000 though to lower their inhibitions. They'll say, hey, look, other kids do this with adults. Like,

00:48:15.780 this is normal. This is what, you know, they introduce it as normal. They, the kid doesn't

00:48:20.960 know any different.

00:48:22.620 Right. And it's, it's considered exploitation of a minor because you're exploiting their innocence.

00:48:28.040 They, they wouldn't be able to stay, say, I remember my daughter in grade eight. Um, she had

00:48:33.520 come home just in tears because the, I don't think kids should be allowed to have their phones in

00:48:37.520 class. They shouldn't come out of their lockers. I mean, grow up. I mean, if we needed to make a call

00:48:41.540 to our parents, we went to the office and we called our parents. But other than that, I think that phone

00:48:46.380 should be completely restricted at school. It's not a safety issue. They can go to the, the office

00:48:51.060 because my daughter was exposed to pornography by some kid holding it up on their phone and she was

00:48:57.720 devastated. And, and, um, I don't want that risk happening to other children.

00:49:03.320 Another thing they're doing, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but sometimes like in

00:49:10.880 younger children's when younger children, when they play video games on their TV or on their phones,

00:49:16.240 the, um, phone will actually have face recognition tendencies and then it can recognize that it's a

00:49:21.540 small child and then they'll flash a pornographic image across the screen. But when an adult tries

00:49:27.380 to look at it again, the face recognition, we'll see that it's an adult and not display that image.

00:49:33.320 So totally destroying these kids. Terrible.

00:49:36.860 I never allowed my kids to have cell phones. I thought they were going to report me for child

00:49:41.460 abuse. I don't have a cell phone. I'm like, too bad, get a job. And so literally my kids didn't

00:49:47.360 get cell phones until they were old enough to get a credit card and then get a cell phone.

00:49:53.400 And I was not going to be responsible for exposing them this. We did all things old school. I still have

00:49:59.820 an answering machine. That's the way I'm going to do it. I just encourage more parents, you know,

00:50:04.360 don't put them on a video game on there, get them a nice book, crossword something. It's just,

00:50:08.840 let's go old school. All right. It was good. It served our kids well. All right. Another question.

00:50:15.800 Is there such a thing as psychological sexual abuse without any actual physical involvement?

00:50:21.880 Absolutely. Like when they're exposing children to pornographic content, that's abuse. Absolutely.

00:50:29.340 I mean, back in the day, 2004, one of the first crimes we investigated in the ICN, it was distribution

00:50:35.680 of child pornographic stories, just written format. So yeah, like, yeah, exposing themselves. Yeah.

00:50:42.480 Oh, absolutely. Anime. And yes. Yeah, there's, I can't remember. It's a Chinese cartoon as well. It's

00:50:51.800 not anime. And it's another one. And I just, it was, it's violent cartoon anime. I'm not quite sure

00:50:58.880 what it's called, but I was devastated when somebody had brought it to my attention because it had

00:51:04.280 involved children. And anyways, yeah, just get your kids off, put all the blockers on there. You can,

00:51:10.840 I'm terrified about the set, uh, get a flip phone, get a flip phone, but they do. I was looking up one

00:51:19.460 for my mom the other day. They do a 99 bucks, 99 bucks. You can get a good old fashioned flip phone.

00:51:25.280 If your kid really needs to have one, because, you know, I know there's parents that are working

00:51:29.420 and concerned about their child, uh, walking home as well. Okay. Um, yeah, I know we talked about the

00:51:36.200 child's acceptance of physical touch. We can start with tickling, wrestling, roughing up,

00:51:40.840 and then eventually getting alone. And then, you know, that child is already used to their touch,

00:51:46.260 big red flag. Uh, again, there was comment about, we've already talked about that. Okay. Warning

00:51:51.980 signs also. Sorry. I'm just flipping through my notes because it was like so good. Um,

00:51:57.300 now another thing that I think, sorry, another thing that you just don't want to skip over that I think

00:52:02.440 is important in that list is that they'll often test the kids. They'll test their loyalty. So they'll let

00:52:07.760 them do something like drive a truck or smoke a cigarette or drink alcohol or something like

00:52:13.140 that. They rationalize in their own mind that it's better to be caught having allowed a kid to swear

00:52:19.060 or even look at a magazine. Um, so they'll often do like an introduction of something the kid's not

00:52:26.260 normally allowed to do to test their loyalty, to see if they get reported on. So even honestly,

00:52:31.540 I think even in today's day and age, we need to educate our kids that this is part of

00:52:35.780 the grooming process. Like we just literally have to be that honest nowadays. I think

00:52:40.020 I remember when I did my own research, my, my supervisor said to me, um, you know, Kelly,

00:52:46.300 we can't put it on kids to, um, protect themselves. And I responded, well, I'm sorry,

00:52:51.160 but in today's day and age, I think we have to like, we just do. Yeah. Yeah. And again,

00:52:56.760 I'm going to emphasize if parents can somehow grandparents get involved, pull out your RRSPs,

00:53:02.840 do whatever we need to do to help, um, one of our kids, you know, in, in like my, I'm going to

00:53:08.480 have, um, my first grand baby coming up within the next two weeks here. I'm very excited about that.

00:53:14.480 And, you know, I know how important it is for one of those parents and for my, my daughter-in-law to

00:53:19.120 stay home and we're going to be doing everything we can to support that. And then the other part of

00:53:24.900 that is, is homeschooling. And that if you are both working parents, you can't make that work.

00:53:30.120 Are you aware you can do more in two hours and two and a half hours at night with your child

00:53:33.780 than what they'll learn in school? And you won't have them at risk of being offended and being

00:53:40.480 exposed to all of this because I mean, this is like putting your child in a cult. And then with

00:53:46.560 the indoctrination, if you look at the, again, in the weekly update, I, I did a, um, an empower hour

00:53:52.680 back, I believe it was in October on exposing SOGI one, two, three toolkit. Now this is the actual

00:53:58.560 resource from the BC education for K to six of what they're teaching children. And I highlighted

00:54:06.780 the indoctrination, the sexualization and the grooming. It's a hundred percent. This is happening.

00:54:12.300 And so if you figure K to six, those kids aren't coming home necessarily and telling you, because

00:54:18.060 when you look at how they've done it, it's so sneaky and it would be hard pressed. And then they're

00:54:23.820 creating ally ships with the kids and these gay straight Alliance clubs. And then they're putting

00:54:29.100 little, uh, seeds in their minds that the parents, you know, aren't on their side. That's the ally ship.

00:54:36.140 So when they get to a point where the child is now 14 years old, 13 years old, and, and, um, expressing

00:54:42.540 that I'm no longer the same sex, that child is fully indoctrinated. You've got a child that's coming

00:54:46.760 out of a cult. And now you need to, uh, do something with this child to, with all of your values that you

00:54:55.280 thought you were bringing your son or daughter up and who are gone. And it's how do we undo that?

00:55:00.700 And that's the mess that we're trying to clean up with many parents, many thousands of parents are

00:55:05.660 going through this. Yeah. And I think it's a good point. You brought up earlier, Tanya, like I have

00:55:11.140 lots of friends who are homeschooling their kids. Now, in fact, I've talked to some of my former

00:55:15.540 colleagues from the ICE unit and they're now paying for their grandchildren to be homeschooled.

00:55:20.340 But it's a really good point that, um, you know, like my girlfriend homeschools her kids and she

00:55:25.040 said they do two and a half hours of school a day and that's it. And they're done because they get

00:55:29.620 through it that fast. Whereas you sit there, how much wasted time is there in a school? So yeah,

00:55:34.620 unfortunately a lot of times it has come to that, but, um, yeah, I mean, not everybody has that luxury.

00:55:40.600 So again, back to, we have to start educating our own kids. We have to, you know, we,

00:55:45.240 we have to parents, unfortunately, you've got to teach your kids about masturbation. If you don't,

00:55:49.480 somebody else will, I mean, they need to know the truth about it rather than, you know,

00:55:53.320 Well, or, or at least, yeah, because we don't want to be the one sexualizing them now though. Right.

00:55:59.260 So at least if they had brought up the term, like, or something along the lines of just asking

00:56:06.060 questions of kids, if, if their teacher or if an adult in your life starts talking to you

00:56:12.020 about your body and, um, I want you to tell me right away and you tell that adult to stop,

00:56:18.440 like, you know, for the younger children, that's a conversation. Cause one of the things we had Audrey

00:56:23.840 Werner come on in, um, September, we had did it in a power hour. She's the one that did the whole

00:56:29.200 history on Kinsey and the rest of it. And she's one of the ones in Texas who has had been part of the

00:56:35.880 legislation in overturning all of this. And she's done, uh, very clearly. We were talking about

00:56:41.140 teaching about abstinence or teaching about, uh, biblical sexuality or whatever. And she had a

00:56:46.360 very good case. I'm going to, I'm actually going to have her on the show, uh, to talk a little bit

00:56:50.520 more in detail about this because we needed to find how we do talk to our kids about these issues

00:56:56.640 without ourselves beginning to sexualize them in something that they would have never thought

00:57:01.920 about. Their innocence is so precious. It's a hard line right now.

00:57:05.880 Well, but Tanya, you know, you're also kind of like, you know, we, we know an adult's intent.

00:57:12.020 We know the mature subject content about all this stuff, right? If you teach a child, these kind of

00:57:17.540 concepts from early age, they're just going to go, Oh, gross, right? Like they're not gonna,

00:57:22.280 they're not gonna be traumatized and, you know, necessarily wanting to engage in that stuff.

00:57:27.760 If you're just teaching them, like you're teaching them, this is an apple, this, you know,

00:57:31.040 I don't know. Yes. I just, like you say, age appropriate. Yeah. I know that I really did

00:57:37.720 value that series of the books that I had. Uh, what's the big deal? I should, um, just was seeing

00:57:45.200 it. Stan and Brenna Jones. What's the big deal? Why God cares about sex was the name of the series.

00:57:51.500 And I remember it talks about a mummy's tummy and having a baby and just a little picture book.

00:57:56.080 It started out with, for the kids when they were younger. And then by the time they were teens,

00:58:01.040 I mean, it got into it. We had conversations. Um, I have a son and a daughter and just being able to

00:58:07.040 have those conversations in a safe environment. So they had a healthy, mature understanding,

00:58:11.380 but it was always very age appropriate. And, uh, but yeah, this is a good conversation. Okay. So,

00:58:17.980 um, I know that, uh, just two more things is one, you said that 9% of victims

00:58:22.860 go on to become offenders. And I thought that number was so low. I thought that, yeah.

00:58:30.380 Yeah. I mean, I don't want to say that that's the case in every culture, but, you know, across like

00:58:35.620 Western culture, that's what the research showed was that less than 10% of, you know, victims go on

00:58:42.200 to re-offend. Um, there's a book called, uh, a book about predators anyways. Um, Anna Salter,

00:58:50.300 Dr. Anna Salter, and she does a bunch of research on offenders. And one of the things that they talk

00:58:56.060 about in her book was how they had threatened a lot of these psychopathic sex offenders, um,

00:59:01.060 who are all claiming to have been abused. That's the reason they offended. So she quoted research

00:59:07.880 where they, all they had to do is threaten them with the polygraph. And that number went from 80%

00:59:12.260 down to 30%. So I don't think that that's true, that all of these offenders, um, had been,

00:59:18.740 you know, victims themselves. But, but that is part of why so many victims stay silent is because

00:59:24.960 that myth exists that if you were, uh, if you were offended against, you're going to be biologically

00:59:31.500 predisposed to be an offender. It's just not true. Like most of like, I've, I've worked on 50 men,

00:59:39.420 I don't know. And one, I think offended, offended, but he was still under 12, like against a cousin

00:59:47.020 or something like that of similar age. So not really offending more. So just reenacting what

00:59:51.340 was done to them. Right. Typically they go, they typically, they're more likely to take on a

00:59:57.320 protective role and become police or helping profession where they try to prevent this than

01:00:02.780 actually put themselves in that situation.

01:00:04.240 Right. But it does. And, and from what we see in the news, I, I, I did have it in the update as well.

01:00:10.440 And what you were saying about the couple of examples that you have, it sounds like

01:00:14.260 the actual abuse that takes place is, but you mentioned that if it is, it, if it is a woman

01:00:20.540 who is the abuser, the offender, then it may not be reported, but there is a high prevalence of male

01:00:25.940 to male abuse, it seems. Would you?

01:00:30.100 Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay.

01:00:33.180 But you know, and even with all the messages today with this SOGI stuff, you know, a lot of these times

01:00:39.120 it's, it's not being recognized as abuse, right? A coming of eight. It's crazy.

01:00:45.000 Okay. Here's another question for you. Do you know the percentage of known abused males that come

01:00:50.380 from broken families, not having a father in the household? That's a good question.

01:00:54.000 I don't, but I would say it's a lot higher, right? Because single parent families put, you know,

01:00:59.740 the child is in a more vulnerable position. A lot of the men in my research, well, some of them

01:01:05.800 anyways, had been specifically targeted after their parent had died, after their other parent had died.

01:01:10.440 So another adult will swoop in and offer to fill that void, right? These are the kinds of things

01:01:16.720 we see when there's natural disasters in third world countries, right? Pedophiles race over there to

01:01:22.360 help. Terrible.

01:01:24.160 The UN crew go in and help. I call them pedophile central at the UN. So many stories of, of abuse.

01:01:33.340 One of the things as well is, is that predators also know that their lives are at risk if they get

01:01:40.220 caught. Because I knew a fellow that I went to school with, and I didn't find out till, you know,

01:01:46.420 actually quite a number of maybe four years ago, that as a young boy, he'd been sexually assaulted

01:01:52.340 by a neighbor, but he was in a home with a mom and dad. And that dad, his dad went over there and

01:01:58.640 let's just say he took care of things. Now it will never reverse or undo it, but it is quite something

01:02:04.460 to be able to have a parent in the house. And if the police and society at large, isn't going to

01:02:09.500 protect our kids. It's not that we're condoning this in any way, but I'm saying that the predators know

01:02:13.940 that, you know, when you touch somebody's child, you're, you're lining yourself up for big trouble.

01:02:23.260 And they better remember that because the hammer's coming down. People are sick and tired of this,

01:02:28.220 and we're not going to put up with it.

01:02:31.100 Well, and that is honestly though, Tanya, that is something I talk about in my next book is that,

01:02:35.460 you know, we can't be doing our own vigilante justice because we need our men out there being

01:02:40.600 fathers not being put in jail for beating up their child's offenders. So the right thing to do is to

01:02:46.720 get the authorities involved, not take our own action. Right. Because like I say, I mean,

01:02:51.520 violence doesn't solve violence on any front.

01:02:55.320 No, but from the mind of the predator, right. That's one of the concerns though, that they have

01:03:00.180 is that, uh, I don't know if that would be enough to stop them. Honestly, though,

01:03:04.420 part of the excitement for them is fooling us, right? That is part of the excitement.

01:03:08.960 Well, I know that in, uh, past times, like there, there was actual predators and pedophiles who

01:03:17.280 would actually get the death penalty for these crimes, because as you said, you, they go on to

01:03:22.880 abuse and in our system as well. So I don't know where all of this is going because it's become to

01:03:28.320 this heightened rate where society feels helpless as to, um, you know, these predators, uh, are,

01:03:36.200 are being put in jail, like, um, the individual that wrote helped to implement the wind sex ed.

01:03:43.720 And I'm sorry, I forget, forget his name right now. He was under wind, um, under premier wind. She,

01:03:50.120 she recruited him and he's a pedophile and he spent, I think it was not even two years in jail and he was

01:03:56.420 released and he was a vile pedophile. And so, you know, when Trudeau came in, he was softening

01:04:03.720 the laws against sexual predators, et cetera. So again, I'm going to encourage people again,

01:04:09.020 we're not condoning any violence. We're just talking about what the outcomes have been in

01:04:13.880 the past and where we are with the government making all of the criminal code and the laws

01:04:19.680 really, really lenient towards sexual offenders. Therefore they're rising up because they have

01:04:24.940 no concern even about spending life in prison anymore. I mean, we've got to come down on these

01:04:29.960 sexual crimes really hard so that others are either going to seek help or really reconsider

01:04:35.380 what they're doing. And that means we need to vote good people into office. So if you're somebody

01:04:41.140 that understands the gravity of this in the last election, uh, municipal elections that we had,

01:04:46.680 uh, in October of 2022, we got a number of Action for Canada chapter leaders and members

01:04:53.000 voted in as school board trustees. This is what we're working on together,

01:04:56.940 get involved in our chapters. And then also the other thing, uh, that you can do, we've talked

01:05:03.180 about homeschooling. And if you're a parent or parents who have to work and you're not able to

01:05:09.340 homeschool, you partner with other parents. Somebody else may be really good in math. You may be great

01:05:14.360 in English. Dads, you can teach those kids how to do oil changes. There's so much we can do as a

01:05:20.460 community. So I would really, really encourage you to, uh, get involved in your communities and with

01:05:27.260 Action for Canada. I'm just, the last final question is what, um, what can we as a society do

01:05:35.280 for the males? Yeah, I was, I was going to just add that anyways. I think we have to

01:05:42.060 have these discussions. We have to, especially when it comes to boys and men, right? Like we have to keep

01:05:47.320 talking, we have to keep creating safe space for boys and men to come forward and, you know,

01:05:53.260 acknowledge what they've been through, support them in their struggles, right? You know, men are

01:05:58.800 coping with workaholic, becoming workaholics or hyper-masculine sports or avoidance of intimacy or

01:06:06.880 avoidance of parenting their own kids. So, I mean, these are some of the telltale signs of someone who's

01:06:12.520 trying to avoid a subject, for example. So we just, we need to start having these conversations

01:06:18.460 more openly. We need to just, like, create this awareness that this is going on, that boys are

01:06:24.920 being abused. I honestly think the rate of abuse amongst boys, young boys, is probably equal to

01:06:31.080 girls. Uh, so, I mean, we need to just, we need, you know, we're, we're living in a fatherless society

01:06:37.700 in so many ways. Well, we have to protect the next generation of little boys. We have to make it safe

01:06:42.700 for them to get help if they need it. We have to educate them about the dangers and, you know,

01:06:48.160 the ones that are already struggling. We have to make it safe for them to get the support they need.

01:06:52.640 Right. I, I really appreciate those words. We've talked a lot about raising strong men,

01:06:57.700 about men being, like, they've been emasculating men for decades and, you know, uh, raising up by these

01:07:04.220 strong women for the purpose of, and getting, you know, uh, mothers working and, and, uh, destroying

01:07:10.580 our economy so that they would have control of our kids. And what we need is for men, for boys to know

01:07:16.540 how to be men. And we need them to have the stability of strong men in their lives as well.

01:07:23.400 And those need to be trusted relationships. And, um, anyways, Kelly, thank you so much for coming on

01:07:29.640 the show. Is there anything that you would like to add in closing?

01:07:32.960 Well, Tanya, I was just going to say, I think our boys and men know how to be boys and men. We just,

01:07:37.260 as women, we need to stop shutting them down. We really do. God made them as men. They know how

01:07:43.500 to be men. We just have to let them be it and stop calling them toxic or whatever.

01:07:48.540 Exactly. Oh, I love it. That's a good one. All right. Well, Kelly, Dr. Kelly, thank you so much

01:07:54.620 again to everybody. Please, please make sure that you check out the description. We'll have all the

01:08:01.200 information to gain access to all of the resources from Dr. Kelly. And, uh, we look forward to having

01:08:07.120 you on the show again. Thank you so much. My pleasure. God bless.

01:08:12.500 You too. All right. Whoa. That was amazing. Okay. We're going to do a couple of Bible verses

01:08:18.880 in, no, you know what we'll do first. I think we're going to go for next week's guests

01:08:22.660 is going to be, of course, one of our favorite Alex Newman. We're going to be talking about again,

01:08:29.740 indoctrinating our children to death. That's the name of his new book. We have had Alex on

01:08:35.480 numerous times. He's part of the public school exit in the United States. I think it's over 3 million

01:08:41.240 kids have exited the school system and parents are homeschooling. He's a force. And, uh,

01:08:47.220 he like myself deals with many different issues. So I always enjoy having Alex on. We're going to

01:08:53.200 talk a little bit about his, uh, trip to cop 28 and all the environmental, uh, fraud that's going on

01:08:59.500 in the background as well. Uh, we'll probably touch a bit on the mass immigration. You know,

01:09:03.900 that the Southern border of the U of the U S is going through, uh, it's just a nightmare.

01:09:09.260 So basically, and a lot of those people are then traveling up here to Canada,

01:09:13.560 our immigration systems, a nightmare. So we'll touch a bit about that, but action for Canada

01:09:18.320 really wants to stay focused on the sexualization of our children through the education system

01:09:23.940 and 100% getting this removed. So please make sure that you join us next week. All right. The Bible

01:09:30.380 verses. So, uh, the first one is Isaiah 61, three. He has sent me to give them beauty for ashes,

01:09:40.140 the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness. And the reason I chose

01:09:46.420 that verse, it's one of, uh, Dr. Kelly's favorites. And, but it just said, it, it, it just proves that

01:09:53.160 like God is here for us and he wants to heal those wounds. God didn't create evil. Um, evil has had a

01:10:00.480 time on this earth and there is no doubt that there's going to be suffering and pain, but God promises

01:10:06.160 that he, he would turn, you know, beauty from ashes. And if you just take a look at that verse

01:10:11.960 and the oil of joy for those who are mourning the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness.

01:10:17.640 And there's many of us who have, um, childhood, uh, trauma that we faced and we've grown out of those.

01:10:26.480 Um, I'm going to, I'm going to be a little bit transparent here. I've talked about it a time or two

01:10:30.740 on the show before I'm one of those people and God has worked absolute miracles in my life and has

01:10:37.880 just taken me out of the ashes. I used to say that I would have my Job moment. And if you don't know

01:10:43.040 about Job in the Bible, he had everything taken from him. There was many hardships and he would just

01:10:47.700 was sitting in the ashes. And I was, I was sitting in the ashes one day and I, I, I just had to

01:10:53.240 surrender everything over to God. And it was then that he could start the healing process.

01:10:58.620 All right. The next verse, Psalm 147, three to six, he heals the broken in heart and binds up their

01:11:08.620 wounds. He counts the number of the stars. He calls them all by their names. Great is our Lord

01:11:14.580 and mighty in power. His understanding is infinite. The Lord upholds the humble. He brings the wicked

01:11:21.000 down to the ground. Boy, that's a promise that we're all looking forward to, right? The wicked will

01:11:25.560 not continue. There is going to be justice. And, uh, so I hope and pray that this Empower Hour

01:11:31.600 tonight with Dr. Kelly, uh, was beneficial to you or possibly there's somebody that you know

01:11:36.980 needs to hear this message. So again, please share it, give us a thumbs up and thank you so

01:11:41.840 much. We'll see you next week. God bless you and God bless Canada.

01:11:44.840 That's what I got to say. Look at this crowd. I'm going to thank God and God alone for the ground

01:12:05.220 that I'm standing on.

01:12:10.500 I'm going to thank our founding fathers

01:12:13.480 for giving their lives

01:12:15.720 and sacrificing so much for our freedom.

01:12:22.060 And I'm calling on you today.

01:12:25.440 Don't put them to shame.

01:12:27.600 Don't waste what they did.

01:12:29.600 We have guaranteed rights in this country.

01:12:35.220 We are putting chapters across the nation.

01:12:43.840 We are going to be in every town and every city.

01:12:47.780 And we are going to build communities

01:12:49.700 within these communities of like-minded people

01:12:52.260 who are actually going to care for one another again

01:12:55.040 and love on each other

01:12:56.140 and give each other their help when they're down.

01:12:59.380 We are going to use the teams

01:13:02.300 and the people that build within chapters

01:13:04.320 to support our businesses.

01:13:07.240 The government's actions are completely 100% unlawful.

01:13:13.820 Judgment will again be found on justice

01:13:16.820 and those with virtuous hearts will pursue it.

01:13:21.960 You have a virtuous heart

01:13:23.860 if you are here today pursuing freedom and righteousness.

01:13:28.140 God says he will turn the sins of evil people back on them.

01:13:39.640 He will destroy them for their sins.

01:13:43.640 I take great comfort in that

01:13:47.320 because I serve a mighty living God

01:13:51.080 who has allowed us to go through this season of discomfort

01:13:56.620 because we as a nation have turned our backs on him

01:14:00.620 and we need to get right.

01:14:03.780 So I am just going to thank you so much.

01:14:06.980 I am going to say God bless you

01:14:09.500 and God bless Canada.

01:14:11.320 Thank you so much.

01:14:40.620 Thank you.

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Action4Canada - January 18, 2024

The Hidden Epidemic of Sexually Abused Males With Tanya Gaw & Dr. Kelli Palfy

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