Action4Canada - The Upside of Homeschooling with Tanya Gaw, Doris Livingstone & Lori Dunbar, June 18, 2025

00:00:00.000 how do I find curriculum and how do I know what to do? We learned it on our own by going to the

00:00:06.340 homeschool conventions and talking and sharing ideas with other parents, going to homeschool

00:00:11.820 support groups for parents. Each child was learning in a completely different way. Like

00:00:19.280 my oldest, you give her a book and she would read the whole thing and she was driven to write,

00:00:25.100 where my middle one would be like, can I just watch the video and take pictures of what I'm doing?

00:00:30.860 And my youngest one would say, can I just sing through everything? And that got each of them

00:00:35.840 in their own way. You really start paying attention and watching what ignites the child.

00:00:42.000 What kept me in homeschooling was the discipleship. I've really appreciated being able to control the

00:00:47.260 curriculum and what my children learn because the public school system and the Christian school

00:00:52.740 system. They are changing history. Whereas in home education, you can choose your curriculum.

00:01:07.200 Hello, hello. We're so glad you've tuned in to tonight's show. A warm welcome to you. Tonight,

00:01:13.260 we're going to embark on an important topic. We'll be discussing the growing trend among parents who are

00:01:19.960 taking their children out of the public school system and embracing homeschooling. We have two

00:01:25.720 guest speakers this evening, Action for Canada's very own Doris Livingstone and Laurie Dunbar. And the

00:01:32.660 title of tonight's show is The Upside of Homeschooling. It's June 18th, 2025. And this is the Empower Hour.

00:01:41.960 Action for Canada is a national movement reaching out to millions of Canadians and uniting our voices in

00:01:47.300 opposition to the destructive policies tearing at the fabric of our nation. Through call-to-action

00:01:53.180 campaigns, we educate, equip, mobilize, and empower citizens to take action. We are committed to

00:02:00.160 protecting faith, family, and freedom. Here we are coming to the end of another school year. And

00:02:05.800 tonight, we'd like to showcase our homeschool revolution page. Homeschooling allows families to

00:02:11.660 provide a high-quality, personalized education while fostering strong moral foundations, critical

00:02:18.120 thinking, and a clear sense of identity. It empowers parents to guide their children's academic and

00:02:24.280 personal growth with purpose and conviction while safeguarding their innocence and empowering them

00:02:30.440 to be grounded, capable, morally strong, and well-prepared for real life. So whether you're just

00:02:37.180 beginning to consider homeschooling or if you're looking for inspiration to continue, our resources

00:02:42.780 are packed with support, strategies, and wisdom to help you on your journey. We invite you to join

00:02:50.000 the homeschool revolution today. If you're joining us for the first time, it's my pleasure to introduce

00:02:57.480 you to Tanya Gaw, the founder and leader of Action for Canada. For the past 10 years, Tanya has been

00:03:04.700 focusing on faith, family, and freedom, and she and her team are always hard at work bringing

00:03:10.700 awareness to the many critical issues facing our nation, including tonight's topic of protecting our

00:03:17.260 children from indoctrination and inappropriate ideologies. Will you all please help me welcome the lovely

00:03:24.300 Tanya Gaw. Hello, Tanya. Hi, Heather. So good to see you. We missed you last week. And yeah, so I'm really

00:03:32.300 excited about this show tonight. I mean, it's June. It is so-called Pride Month. I mean, that's what

00:03:38.440 they're calling it. That's not what I'm not calling June. But it has become known for that. We know that

00:03:44.160 it was no longer Pride Day or Pride Week or Pride Month. It's Pride Season. And if you look at the school

00:03:48.680 calendars, but I think a lot of parents are missing out on this because they're not observing them, but the

00:03:54.220 school calendars for children is packed with all things LGBTQ. And it's a radical agenda. It has

00:04:02.320 flooded the schools. I'm so happy to say that all of it is finally losing traction. This is a Marxist

00:04:10.660 agenda. It's not just about confusing kids on their identity, but it is pushing unscientific agendas on

00:04:19.060 them and a global agenda, of course, to break down our democracy. So our kids have been inundated with

00:04:25.820 false teaching. We've got them being lied to over climate change, which is stressing them out and

00:04:32.280 turning them against their parents. We've got the LGBTQ trans ideology, which is, again, so unscientific,

00:04:40.580 causing mass contagion, where kids are identifying as the opposite sex, which is impossible to do.

00:04:48.120 But it's a manifested lie that we know that Big Pharma is also involved in as these kids question

00:04:54.900 their gender. They're put on drugs that leads towards mutilating surgeries. And it's just all

00:05:00.520 coming and done. And it's not just in America. It's just not in some European nations, but right here

00:05:05.720 in Canada as well. You know, we recently had such a big win in Alberta, and many of those books are

00:05:12.060 being truly called sexually graphic and pornographic. So that's a massive win as well.

00:05:17.340 But there are also some other creeping agendas around the corner that are going to cause our

00:05:26.400 children a lot of harm. And I wanted to bring some attention to that before we bring Lori and Doris on

00:05:32.540 to talk about homeschooling, because we really want to motivate as many parents as possible who

00:05:37.900 can make the life changes to homeschooling for the betterment of their kids and for the betterment of

00:05:43.860 their family. Because understand that through these years, as these radical agendas have been

00:05:50.380 inserted into the schools and our kids have been groomed, indoctrinated and lied to, it is ripping

00:05:56.100 families apart. When your child comes home and says, I'm no longer a girl, I'm a boy, and parents have to

00:06:03.760 deal with that. And according to Bill C-4 from the government, if you don't support it, then you could spend

00:06:10.680 five years in jail. Yes, that's right. Go look up Bill C-4. You can't even bring them to counseling.

00:06:15.980 So this is a 911 call that we've had wonderful Alex Newman from down in the States. He would say,

00:06:21.900 you know, always 911, the schools are on fire. And it's not just publicly funded schools, it is also

00:06:28.200 many Christian schools, because they decided to take government incentives. Not all of them, but you

00:06:35.240 really, really need to do your homework if you're going to put your child in a private school as

00:06:39.540 well. And where I want to begin is when Laurie and Doris come on, we're going to be talking about

00:06:45.220 homeschooling. So I want you to be easily able to find this on our website. You would go to current

00:06:50.280 issues. This screen pops up and you can see homeschool revolution. That will bring you to this page. And

00:06:57.020 we'll be talking about the homeschool association directory. We ended up searching out homeschool

00:07:04.740 associations in every single province across the country. We did a deep dive into them to make sure

00:07:10.480 they're not aligned with the United Nations or some of the other radical agendas. And we feel fairly

00:07:16.960 comfortable. I'd say very comfortable with the homeschool associations that we've chosen to put on the

00:07:23.700 website. But if anybody had any concerns, we welcome you reaching out to us. And then once we'll also be

00:07:31.580 covering the homeschool webinars, Doris is our homeschool lead. She's been doing an amazing job

00:07:36.820 over the years, and she has had incredible guests on. And so some of the topics when they're talking

00:07:43.360 about them, Doris will share her screen as well and explain where you can find a specific video on.

00:07:50.320 Maybe if you're a parent with multiple grades and you want to know how you could maybe improve or you

00:07:56.480 need some support in that area, you would go to our homeschool webinar page and we've discussed all

00:08:01.660 of the issues we'll be talking about tonight. And because they're, I can say that the most

00:08:09.360 controversial issues, these are Marxist ideologies that have been instilled in our schools and capturing

00:08:15.120 our hearts and minds of our children. And we see that these are all falling apart. And we see that

00:08:22.620 the books are being pulled out of the schools. They're stopping the medical mutilation and surgeries

00:08:28.200 of kids, not only in America, but many other countries. They're prohibiting them. They're

00:08:34.040 prohibiting them to use pronouns and gender information. We also have other things that are

00:08:40.560 on the table like land acknowledgements. And there's been many lies and misinformation spreading

00:08:46.640 about the Indians and the history of our country. And that's part of the global agenda to bring in

00:08:54.800 the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab's goal of saying you'll have nothing and be happy. And they

00:09:01.040 are using these land acknowledgements and saying we stole the land from the Indians, etc., in order to

00:09:06.660 steal the land from us. And so our kids are doing these land acknowledgements as they condition them

00:09:12.980 and groom them to accept all of these radical ideas that are all meant towards destroying our nation.

00:09:19.620 So those are the little Marxist soldiers. They want to, you know, graduate graduating from our public

00:09:25.540 school system. So it's really concerning. I recently had Alex Newman on the show, and I'm going to play

00:09:32.100 two clips. One is on artificial intelligence and how they are planning on affecting our kids in how they

00:09:40.900 learn, how they think. It's so diabolical. You think, can this actually be real? I'm hoping by the

00:09:47.300 end of these two videos alone, you're going to say, okay, I need to call my parents, grandparents,

00:09:51.780 you need to get involved in this, and we're going to do everything we can to homeschool and make whatever

00:09:56.300 adjustments that you need to in your life to make that happen. And then the other one is social

00:10:01.540 emotional learning. And they say, you know, they always market things. They're very strategic in

00:10:08.600 the way they market. So it's all about self-awareness and self-management, social awareness,

00:10:13.760 relationship skills, responsible decision-making. But really what it is, is it is pushing the ideologies.

00:10:21.440 It's determining how well they accept the LGBTQ agenda, the climate change scenario,

00:10:28.240 the issue regarding the Indians. And then if they're not responding well, they use social

00:10:34.920 emotional learning to manipulate them to think a certain way. And they even, the critics are worried

00:10:42.320 about the data collection, that they would be taking on sensitive information regarding your kids.

00:10:48.100 So I'll just play these two short clips, and then we're going to bring Lori and Doris on.

00:10:53.160 But listen carefully. They're telling you they're going to reprogram your child. They're not

00:10:57.480 interested in you passing your values, your beliefs, your culture, your morality, the Bible's morality

00:11:03.660 to your children. They're interested in installing a whole new programming over the top of your

00:11:08.780 children's mind, and they are dead set on doing it. The new competencies under SEL, which again,

00:11:13.880 as you heard the NEA say, are the foundation of what's happening in the classroom now. These are

00:11:18.020 things like empathy. These are things like compassion. And of course, every normal parent wants their child

00:11:23.700 to have compassion. What we don't know is that they have totally redefined these words. When you look at

00:11:29.640 what they mean by compassion, you're not compassionate if you don't believe in open border. You're not

00:11:33.840 compassionate if you don't believe a girl should be able to abort her unborn child. You're not

00:11:38.240 compassionate if you don't believe that a child should be able to mutilate his genitals to become

00:11:42.760 his true self with his new gender identity. You're not compassionate if you don't believe homosexuals

00:11:48.680 ought to be married, right? In other words, they define compassionate. Anything that goes contrary

00:11:53.360 to their worldview is by definition uncompassionate. And so your child is staring at this device.

00:11:59.660 The goal of the particular program is to monitor and check how compassionate your child is. And if

00:12:05.120 your child is not compassionate enough, to design an intervention. So maybe a screen pops up and maybe

00:12:09.580 it's got two homosexuals kissing. Maybe it's got a trans individual, a drag queen reading to little

00:12:15.340 children. And your child makes a face. Ooh, what's that? Mommy and daddy said that was not good.

00:12:21.540 The facial expression camera, which by the way, this was from 2012, will pick up your child's negative

00:12:26.700 response to that stimuli, will process it through the algorithm, will determine that your child needs

00:12:32.000 an intervention because he or she has the wrong attitude on this particular competency, and an

00:12:37.980 intervention will be stayed. That video is enough for me to say, boy, I've got a grandson and there's no way

00:12:45.840 we're putting him in the public funded education system. It's just not a possibility. And so far, they've been

00:12:53.600 manipulating kids through crowdthink. And how are the other students feeling about whether or not they're accepting

00:13:01.040 an LGBTQ classmate? And they've really successfully manipulated kids into a social contagion on this.

00:13:09.420 And you figure, like, how can that happen? And we've discussed that on previous shows where I've shown the

00:13:16.200 SOGI toolkit from kindergarten to grade six and how they're planting these seeds and these thoughts into

00:13:21.340 kids' minds. And so SEL is just going to accelerate that into yet another direction. And then the next video

00:13:28.280 clip I want to play is on artificial intelligence to see how they're also manipulating your children

00:13:35.640 into thinking in a Marxist, socialist kind of way. And ultimately, when you have compliant children,

00:13:45.220 they grow into the compliant adults when they've been in a program, in programming. They're programming

00:13:51.300 them like this. So let's just play that other clip.

00:13:53.320 And here's a little sneak preview of what the beginnings of this rollout looks like in China,

00:14:00.240 which is only a few years ahead of us. We developed the technology. They're deploying it

00:14:03.560 and testing it out. But this is what it looks like.

00:14:09.180 Teachers at this primary school in China

00:14:11.960 know exactly when someone isn't paying attention.

00:14:16.360 These headbands measure each student's level of concentration. The information is then directly

00:14:25.860 sent to the teacher's computer and to parents. China has big plans to become a global leader

00:14:32.980 in artificial intelligence. It has enabled a cashless economy where people make purchases

00:14:39.600 with their faces. A giant network of surveillance cameras with facial recognition helps police monitor

00:14:45.840 citizens. Meanwhile, some schools offer glimpses of what the future of high-tech education in the

00:14:52.560 country might look like. Classrooms have robots that analyze students' health and engagement levels.

00:15:00.480 Students wear uniforms with chips that track their locations. There are even surveillance cameras that

00:15:07.760 monitor how often students check their phones or yawn during classes.

00:15:11.760 Yeah. And again, folks, this is just the beginning of this, right? If they are not stopped,

00:15:16.480 they will take this as far as we will let them.

00:15:19.920 All right. So that isn't looking particularly good to me. And I'm sure that you're feeling the same way.

00:15:29.680 And this is advancing. We were warning you about the trans-LGBTQ agenda. We were warning about

00:15:37.040 the climate change propaganda. And now we are warning you about these two new agendas. They're not new to

00:15:45.840 them. They've had this in the works for some time, of course, and then it quickly advances into the

00:15:50.720 school system. So we just want to bring your awareness to that. So with that, Heather, would you

00:15:56.000 please introduce our guests? I'd be happy to. We have two guests joining us tonight, Doris Livingstone,

00:16:03.920 Action for Canada's homeschool lead, and Laurie Dunbar, our assistant homeschool lead.

00:16:09.840 Tonight, Doris and Laurie will be discussing a growing trend happening in Canada.

00:16:14.800 Parents are stepping away from the corruption of the public school system and are instead embracing

00:16:20.640 homeschooling. Doris and Laurie are both experienced homeschooling moms who have successfully educated

00:16:27.520 their children from kindergarten through graduation. And tonight, they'll share practical advice,

00:16:33.760 encouragement, and first-hand insights as they explore the many advantages of homeschooling.

00:16:40.400 It's such a privilege to have these two lovely, hardworking ladies joining us this evening.

00:16:44.720 Will you all please help me welcome Doris Livingstone and Laurie Dunbar. Hello,

00:16:50.160 Doris and Laurie. Welcome to the Empower Hour. Good to be with you.

00:16:56.400 Super. Thank you again, Heather. And welcome, Doris and Laurie. Now, as Heather had mentioned,

00:17:02.960 you are both, you have both successfully homeschooled your own children to graduation. And Doris, I know that

00:17:10.640 you're now homeschooling grandchildren. And that's been an amazing experience. A little different when,

00:17:16.880 you know, they're not your own. They are your own, but in a different way. And so, I'm just wondering,

00:17:23.040 how can your experience help other families that are considering homeschooling right now?

00:17:31.280 Well, that's a good question. How can my experience... Well, certainly, I was in the

00:17:36.720 trenches for 17 years homeschooling. I had three kids. I still have three kids. And they still like me.

00:17:45.200 And yeah, when my husband passed away, they were teenagers, and I was still able to finish

00:17:53.520 homeschooling them right through to grade 12. And so, I feel like we come with a wealth of experience.

00:18:01.840 And we did a lot of the trench work in the early years. I started homeschooling around

00:18:08.720 1995. I remember my husband said, told me, actually, when my kids were very, very young,

00:18:16.960 we're going to homeschool our kids. And I said, what's that? And why do we need to do that?

00:18:22.000 And around that same time, my sister and my sister-in-law on his side were starting to homeschool. And so,

00:18:29.200 they were mentoring me. And yeah, and then as we moved along, each year got easier,

00:18:37.440 and more rewarding. And I think what I want to offer is hope to those who are starting particularly,

00:18:46.880 who've either had a rough year, or who have started and had a rough year, and are really second

00:18:52.480 guessing whether they made the right choice. But to consider the blessings in the long haul,

00:18:58.320 and we're going to touch on some of those positive things today.

00:19:02.160 Wonderful. And Lori, how about you?

00:19:06.000 You know, I think having been educated in the public school system and private a little bit,

00:19:11.920 I think we have to just encourage one another in this different way of thinking and in educating

00:19:21.200 our children in a way that we weren't educated ourselves. So, it's really important to have mentors

00:19:26.880 and community around you that can help just with the reshaping of our own thinking so that we can

00:19:32.880 help to educate our children and really rethink what do we want to teach our kids? What do we want

00:19:38.560 them to learn? What's important for us to teach them in character, in morality, in faith, all these

00:19:45.040 things that we weren't taught in school. So, I think it's important to have older mentors or people that

00:19:52.080 have been there, done that, that can encourage you in your journey.

00:19:56.000 Well, and I agree so much. And I know that you guys were the path makers back then because homeschooling

00:20:03.360 was looked down upon. And that is if the kids weren't socialized properly, and they might have been

00:20:11.040 weird or, you know, there was these ideas, but they were the ones that came ahead of the crowd in

00:20:17.840 academics and education and pursuing degrees in university or college. And it just has morphed into

00:20:26.400 this beautiful thing nowadays where it's like, this is a necessity. And you're going to be so happy that

00:20:35.280 you chose this path for your children. And when I was in school, I think it was just at the beginning

00:20:42.400 of the great fall of the education system. The sexual revolution was just becoming a thing.

00:20:49.680 Sex education was just coming into the schools. We didn't know anything about how sex education came

00:20:55.280 in and that it was based on Alfred Kinsey and these pedophiles that felt that kids were, you know,

00:21:01.680 sexual at birth. And so, well, we better implement this into the school system. And there was just

00:21:07.520 this degrading of the public education. And so I feel like I got out of that system by graduation

00:21:15.440 fairly unscathed. And then as my kids were going into school, I remember when they were in kindergarten,

00:21:22.640 they were trying to introduce three of the LGBTQ books. And for the first time, I stood up and felt,

00:21:30.160 oh, I got to oppose this. And we were successful back then. But the other side continued to push this

00:21:36.000 agenda. And then once they got their foot in, it's really morphed from there. And this evil doesn't

00:21:43.200 have a stop button. If they've had this avenue to move forward, then they're going to take advantage of

00:21:50.640 that. And it just has become worse and worse and worse. And now we see these other social agendas that

00:21:56.720 have creeped in. And homeschooling has been that safe haven that people now are mass exodus from

00:22:04.720 schools and turning to homeschooling. And we need to defend homeschooling as well, because I know,

00:22:10.800 is it in England and Britain that they've banned homeschooling? That's how bad these tyrants want to

00:22:19.040 maintain control over our children's minds and changing the future in our democratic nations.

00:22:26.320 So with that in mind, I guess, Doris, how about I hand it over to you? Because I know that

00:22:36.880 there are some very specific points that you and Lori are going to move through. And so I just want you to

00:22:43.520 freely be able to do that and educate our viewers. Sure, we can do that. Let's talk about the advantages

00:22:50.800 of homeschooling right off the bat. When I told my husband, what is homeschooling? And why do we need

00:22:57.440 to do that? My answer in my head was, well, I went through the public system, I turned out okay.

00:23:04.320 And probably a lot of pride at the time as a young mom. But in hindsight, while it wasn't much later,

00:23:12.800 maybe within five years of starting homeschooling, I started to see the flaws that had affected me.

00:23:18.640 And probably the primary one, and this is the advantage that by homeschooling was I was quite

00:23:25.200 peer dependent. And peer dependency means, especially the longer you're in school, so it may not start in

00:23:33.920 grade one or grade two, but I certainly started seeing it by grade three. And certainly through

00:23:38.080 high school is, I'm not going to say anything, because I might get laughed at, or my friend might

00:23:43.840 think I'm weird. So I'm not going to say anything, I'm not going to stand up, I'm not going to think

00:23:48.320 about it, and I'm just going to be quiet. And I didn't come out of that until probably even after

00:23:55.520 college. You know, until I was married, I started to realize I need to be a more of a thinker,

00:24:02.240 and I need to speak out, and I need to critically think and analyze. And these are things that

00:24:08.880 naturally happen within children or homeschooled, because they aren't bombarded socially by what the

00:24:16.000 majority says, or perhaps, you know, the person in the class that's the most vocal, or who would

00:24:23.120 appear to be most the most popular. And what I saw in my own children with the beauty was,

00:24:31.600 they were, I would say unscathed entirely, but they're still going to be in situations where

00:24:37.920 they're going to be in social settings, like my kids were enrolled in like, little league and

00:24:43.440 baseball and track and field, we started a homeschool track and field group, you know, things like that.

00:24:49.920 So there are situations, especially when they were competing, little things, very, very small

00:24:54.880 things, but they're not inundated day in, all day long, day out. And then they're coming home

00:25:01.760 emotionally, mentally beaten up by what's going on all day in a different setting. And it's like,

00:25:10.080 when they come home, they're somewhat relieved. But yet now they're tired. Now there's routines.

00:25:15.520 Either there's the demands after school of whether there's piano lessons, or there's soccer practice.

00:25:23.280 Right now it's fall season, everything happens at five o'clock, right at separate times. So you're not

00:25:26.880 having family dinners, and then hurry up, have a bath, hurry up, go to bed, or hurry up, do your,

00:25:31.360 like, there's really not a lot of time after school for some one on one with their parents.

00:25:36.240 I agree.

00:25:37.760 The advantage of having them home is they're with you for a long time, and you be get to be the primary

00:25:45.440 influencer, you get to control. A lot of it, particularly when they're younger, is the peers

00:25:52.960 that you're going to allow them to be around. I learned over the years, you know, let's say my oldest

00:26:00.000 started with 10 friends. And they were all from the public school, we were in a small town.

00:26:05.760 By grade seven, we were down to about five of them, and they were good kids.

00:26:10.000 And we kind of landed there. And that was okay.

00:26:13.280 Oh, well, I love that, you know, that we're discussing how taxing this can be on kids. I mean,

00:26:21.440 you're teaching for six hours, you are involved in a in a group think, once upon a time they did,

00:26:29.920 encourage critical thinking, but I think that's completely out the doors right now. So

00:26:34.640 basically, what you're saying is homeschooling as well, I would say strengthens the family bonds

00:26:41.520 and supports their moral character and development. And so, Lori, how would you feel? Would you agree

00:26:47.920 with that statement?

00:26:49.760 Absolutely. There's so many benefits to homeschooling. I've even seen, so I have four kids,

00:26:54.960 two step kids, and two biological, but they've been mine for over 21 years. So, but the two older

00:27:03.680 ones actually went through the school system. And when they were in elementary school, my husband and

00:27:09.920 I were going, we're not really happy with how this is going. And so we began to think,

00:27:15.760 what are the other options of what we can do with our younger two? So that's actually what led us into

00:27:20.560 homeschooling. And so I've actually had the advantage of having to go through school and

00:27:27.280 private Christian school, as well as to go through homeschooling education. And I've really appreciated

00:27:33.200 being able to control the curriculum and what my children learn because the public school system

00:27:38.720 and the Christian school system, they are changing history. They're highlighting different parts of

00:27:44.000 history that they want highlighted. Whereas in home education, you can choose your curriculum. You

00:27:49.760 know what they're learning. You know what the advantages are of teaching them different ways of

00:27:58.240 thinking and critical thinking, all those kinds of things. And just even the sibling connection

00:28:04.160 and different things are so valuable. But what kept me in homeschooling was the discipleship.

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00:30:19.120 I really valued being able to disciple my children and have that morning time that we can be together,

00:30:25.360 we can talk through issues, we can go through history, we can watch Action for Canada, we can go

00:30:32.320 through these things, and they have a really solid Christian worldview, which is so important to me.

00:30:38.640 Right. I love it. The family that prays together stays together. But if you're doing this from birth and

00:30:44.560 then through education, there aren't these outside forces that are really interfering with that. And

00:30:51.120 can I just, I want to ask about screen time. I want to talk about cell phones and TikTok and

00:30:58.320 all of these other things. I mean, with my kids, I'm surprised I didn't get,

00:31:02.080 you know, called for child abuse, but they didn't get a cell phone,

00:31:05.440 and we didn't have video games in the house. I think we were at a swap meet when my son was like 16,

00:31:11.600 and he found an old, I don't know what the system was, and we hooked that up to the TV.

00:31:16.000 But I mean, he was very, very skilled in building and Lego, and we did art together,

00:31:21.360 and we were out in nature, and my sister had a farm, and so we were immersed in that. And

00:31:26.320 just what a healthy, beautiful balance compared to kids that didn't know how to carry on a conversation.

00:31:31.760 And I made sure that we had dinner time together. And I would ask them questions like,

00:31:36.480 how was your day? And, you know, expect an answer. But yeah, so how do you feel about that as well,

00:31:44.320 either of you about the screen time? It's, it's poison to me at this point.

00:31:50.160 Yeah, especially for younger children, too. My kids are, so my, my younger ones are actually just

00:31:56.880 19 and 17 now. So they both graduated a year early. But yeah, the majority of our screen time was,

00:32:04.160 was just, you know, if we were going to watch something like this, or, you know,

00:32:09.360 world news, or different things like that, that would be the majority of their screen time. They have

00:32:13.840 excellent imaginations. They both did a computer course in their first year of college,

00:32:18.560 just to kind of catch them up on understanding computers. But, but yeah, just being able to

00:32:24.000 control that they do have cell phones, but I have the passwords to both of them. And I have all the

00:32:29.680 controls. So, like, they need my password for being able to, to do, you know, change things on their

00:32:37.040 phone or anything like that. So it's not a controlling thing. It's more of a gradually teaching them how to

00:32:44.560 handle those, that technology and understanding that, you know, it is addictive. How's your screen

00:32:49.600 time going for you? You know, checking in on that. And for Apple phones, you can see exactly their

00:32:55.920 websites and everything that they've done, even for, you know, for the older teenagers like I have.

00:33:02.000 Well, I think accountability is something that the globalists are counting on, that there is no

00:33:08.400 accountability for the majority of kids. And when they're bringing these cell phones to school,

00:33:14.240 kids are being exposed to porn. My daughter was like in grade 10 and she was horrified when she came

00:33:21.360 home. I was sick about it. I was angry and I was just, you know, I, we made out fine without having

00:33:29.440 phones in the classroom. And I think that that should be the mandate within schools. You need to call your

00:33:34.320 mommy, go, go to the office, you know, use the phone. There are ways around this that worked for

00:33:40.560 us. And we really do need to protect the hearts and minds of our kids because once they have impacted

00:33:49.120 their thinking in a very negative way, it can be very difficult to undo that. So let's go into

00:33:55.600 curriculum next. Doris, what would, let's turn this over to you for a moment about how do parents,

00:34:02.000 I mean, that to me, I did homeschool my son through kindergarten and then some

00:34:06.800 really hard things happened in life. And, but I was very, I very much oversaw their education.

00:34:12.560 I was very involved in the school that they were in. I don't know how you would have made that through

00:34:17.200 having lost your husband. I know that was a very difficult season for you and managing to still

00:34:21.680 homeschool just shows you that people can do this. But part of it was how do you choose curriculum?

00:34:27.840 How do you know what in the world to do to get started and to keep going?

00:34:33.680 Yeah, that's a question is the first, almost the first question everybody asks is, okay,

00:34:39.840 so either if I pull my child, or if I'm just gonna start homeschooling at kindergarten,

00:34:45.680 how do I find curriculum? And how do I know what to do? And so our experience for Lori and I was,

00:34:53.920 we learned it on our own by going to the homeschool conventions and talking and sharing ideas with

00:35:00.480 other parents, going to homeschool support groups for parents, usually the mothers, and sharing ideas

00:35:08.480 on what works. And that was probably one of the harder things for me getting started,

00:35:15.440 but probably the most rewarding thing, because each child was learning in a completely different

00:35:24.880 way. Like my oldest, you give her a book, and she would read the whole thing, and she was driven to

00:35:31.920 write. Where my middle one would be like, can I just watch the video and take pictures of what I'm doing?

00:35:38.240 And my youngest one would say, can I just sing through everything? And so they were very different

00:35:45.120 learners. And I did run into a program that actually, for language arts in the early years,

00:35:52.560 is learning how to read, write and spell. And it was done through music and very hands-on with games

00:35:59.120 and activities. And that got each of them in their own way, unique way, started reading. And then from

00:36:06.080 there, you really start paying attention and watching what ignites the child. And a phrase,

00:36:13.440 a catchphrase that I still lean on is called delight-directed studies. And so what delights them?

00:36:20.640 My oldest was really into horses. So we would do a unit study based, as she's older likely,

00:36:26.960 maybe she's grade six, grade seven now. And we would do a unit study that covered reading and

00:36:33.040 writing and then a history of horses and where certain horses live. We got now we're covering

00:36:39.040 geography and then how to take care of a horse. She really, really enjoyed that. So it takes time

00:36:50.000 as a parent. And even if your kids were in the school systems, as they get older,

00:36:55.760 you're still learning more and more about what excites your child and what drains them.

00:37:02.160 And so with homeschooling, the beauty is, if it completely drains them, we've got to change

00:37:09.440 something up here, because they're just, they're never going to do it. And that could be math,

00:37:14.640 that could be overcoming certain sounds that go together, like E and H make a sound together,

00:37:22.800 S and H make a sound together, you know, AR and adding an S for plural, like things like that.

00:37:30.160 Sometimes you need to either change something entirely, or you need to slow right down and

00:37:35.600 repeat something till they get it. And the last thing you want to do is drain your child, you want

00:37:41.520 them to be excited about learning. And you want them to be able to get up in the morning and start

00:37:47.120 self motivating themselves to get things done. So curriculum, I would say is important, but it's

00:37:55.840 okay if you don't get it right the first time. If it's not working, there's places to go to get advice,

00:38:04.720 and people to talk to, to get advice. And so I always say, get to a homeschool convention,

00:38:11.360 the bookstores are there, they're very knowledgeable on what they're doing.

00:38:17.840 And we've got links on our website to several of the bookstores across Canada. And if you live nearby,

00:38:24.080 pop in throughout the year, talk to them, they are, they act as consultants. And the curriculum is rich,

00:38:30.320 it's accurate, it's especially if it's got biblical foundations, you're also getting some Bible

00:38:36.640 teaching in there. Yeah, I mean, I get excited about curriculum. So I mean, people can email me

00:38:44.480 as well, if they're like really stuck.

00:38:47.680 Okay, I want to, what I'm going to just do for a moment is I'm going to share our screen one more

00:38:52.080 time, as we said, we can find it under current issues. And as we scroll down, you'll see information

00:38:58.080 where Doris has, has been keen on providing the conventions, these ones have obviously

00:39:04.640 almost, yeah, all of them have just expired. And so we will be as soon as there's more homeschool

00:39:13.040 conventions, we'll be promoting more of those. And the bookstores Doris are on this page as well,

00:39:20.720 are they not? I think they're on a different page. Yeah, they're on the other page. I think if you pop

00:39:26.320 open homeschool association directory, and scrolling down, there should be some bookstores

00:39:34.720 down below that. And just like curriculum providers, right, here we go. So here's the

00:39:39.840 information. And, you know, one of the things I love that you've repeated throughout this is to

00:39:45.680 find mentors. And, you know, with Action for Canada, we have chapters all across the nation,

00:39:50.720 we say building communities within communities of like minded people. Well, there's many of those

00:39:55.280 like minded people are homeschoolers. If there's a local church, even if you don't go to church,

00:39:59.760 I would get involved with the church because the church is really exploding with homeschoolers now.

00:40:05.120 And having alternative education, it's a great way to make new friends to get plugged in. But my

00:40:11.360 personality is I wouldn't be able to do this on my own, I would definitely need a mentor, I would need

00:40:16.560 somebody sharing that responsibility with me. I remember one of the ways when you're I'm laughing,

00:40:22.160 because I had this, I have this puppet, and it's a crocodile. And I put my hand in there,

00:40:27.120 and I'd say, I'm Crocky, you know, and I have my kids, they would look at it, and they would talk to

00:40:31.360 Crocky, and we would read, and they love to read together. Now my grandson, I all of a sudden brought

00:40:37.920 Crocky out again, I still have him bring Crocky out. And I'm looking at Walker, and I start talking

00:40:42.960 to him with Crocky. And he's like, Oh, that's very interesting. He wants it. And he puts his hand right

00:40:47.040 inside. You know, like he figured it out right away. Totally different kind of learner. And it's

00:40:52.720 just so fun and exciting to get started at that age, and then seeing what the strengths and weaknesses

00:40:59.440 are of your kids. And boy, there's a lot of parents like me who wish we could do a do over

00:41:04.160 with this information. And so I'm really encouraging people that when we post this video,

00:41:08.880 please share it widely. Because there's a lot of parents that are considering this right now,

00:41:13.360 who would have felt like me quite hopeless to start this journey. And I think if it was this

00:41:19.600 day and age, I would have made it more of a priority because of how bad it is in the education system.

00:41:25.760 And so moving this along, then, as far as education is concerned, as far as finding curriculum,

00:41:33.600 and then it was important for parents to know their own style of learning. Why is that?

00:41:39.760 Yes, you know, like teaching styles and learning styles are a need to meld in order to really get

00:41:47.760 your sweet spot. So, you know, if I was picking up a curriculum, and it was all black and white,

00:41:53.280 and the pages were really boring, there was no pictures, no color, no space or anything like that,

00:41:59.520 it would just lose me. So being able to put your hands on that curriculum is really helpful to

00:42:05.040 to be able to go, okay, can I do this? So something that, you know, like understanding,

00:42:11.360 okay, I wanted a mastery based approach to math. So we did things like Math UC, because it's very

00:42:18.720 hands on. And I had a hands on learner that needed to do everything, everything needed to be a game when

00:42:24.480 she was little. And, and then I just, I just really wanted them to master everything before they moved on

00:42:30.640 in math. Or, you know, like for language curriculum, for one child, I pretty much found the curriculum

00:42:37.120 that I needed. And we went from there. The other child, I probably tried, you know, six or eight

00:42:42.560 different curriculums until I found something that worked for her. So being able to understand,

00:42:47.360 you know, their learning style and my teaching style. So, you know, understanding that, okay,

00:42:52.560 in the mornings, I really like to be able to read to my girls and be able to, you know,

00:42:57.440 learn history together or learn, study the Bible together, those kinds of things. So I wanted more

00:43:03.520 of a storybook style history book, you know, that kind of thing. And, but I also wanted it to only be

00:43:09.360 about 20 to 25 minutes long so that I wouldn't lose their attention span. So understanding those

00:43:15.040 things and trying different curriculum, you know, giving the curriculum providers a call,

00:43:19.840 having conversations with them. Those are all really helpful things. Don't be afraid to do your

00:43:24.240 own research, talk to other homeschooling moms, see what works for them. You know,

00:43:29.360 go to homeschooling conventions, look online, do everything you can to interact with the curriculum.

00:43:35.920 A lot of curriculum actually has samples. So gather round, for instance, you can get a sample,

00:43:41.760 or you can try a unit study together with your children, go this month, we're doing this,

00:43:47.680 and we're studying that. So that can really be helpful. So don't be afraid to try different things

00:43:52.560 until you find something that really helps and works for your family.

00:43:57.440 Okay. And so on that as well, like, what would you say to parents that are getting exasperated,

00:44:04.400 and their children maybe are exasperated, and they're just really having a tough time

00:44:09.680 finding, as you mentioned, that sweet spot in, you know, a parent's learning style. I'm a type A

00:44:15.520 personality at this point. And so I'm a bit driven in it, that could, you know, have an ill effect on my

00:44:21.600 child if I stuck with that kind, that there's the patience that's involved. I don't know,

00:44:27.040 when do you step back? How would you address that situation?

00:44:32.560 For myself, I would probably say, yes, take a step back. Let's actually just connect to your

00:44:38.080 children. Let's have fun with them. Let's go out. It's a beautiful, you know, weather right now.

00:44:43.520 Let's do some nature learning. Let's play games together. And just take a step back and just

00:44:49.840 realize that, you know what, baking cookies is a great idea right now. Let's do fractions, you know,

00:44:55.360 or just things like that. And just taking a step back and going, you know what, my connection with

00:45:00.960 my children is more important than them getting through this on my timeline. So yeah, sometimes we

00:45:07.920 think, you know, we have to do it this way. But sometimes we don't. Sometimes it's actually

00:45:12.960 just remembering what's really important and being able to really connect with the heart of your

00:45:18.080 children. That's good advice. And Doris, what about you? What would you have to say on that topic?

00:45:24.320 Equally what Lori's saying, exasperation, I guess I would wonder, is the parent exasperated

00:45:30.640 or the child or both? Yeah, take a break, lean back and change it up. You could take a day off,

00:45:39.280 you could take a few days off, take an hour off, take a week off. I think a lot of times,

00:45:45.760 parents, especially if they're new or at homeschooling, they're very worried about

00:45:50.560 the learning outcomes. Like, will we get it all done by the end of the year? And will like,

00:45:55.280 will Joey pass grade one? Or will Joey pass grade eight or whatever? Because we're so fixated on

00:46:01.840 the learning outcomes. And the beauty of homeschooling is that children learn at different

00:46:09.840 paces on different topics. One of them will grasp math right away and struggle with reading. The other

00:46:17.280 one might find certain parts of social studies super boring where the other one's like, this is exciting.

00:46:24.000 And I'm seeing it now in my grandchildren, when I do, I do the fun activities with them. But I try to

00:46:30.720 make everything homeschooling like so that it's a teachable moment. And I'm starting to learn all

00:46:38.800 over again, next generation, what excites them, the one who loves the gardening we're doing together,

00:46:45.360 and can hardly wait to show me how things are growing. And what do we do next? The other one is

00:46:50.240 like, can we just like play baseball forever? And I'm the worst pitcher in the world, but I do my best,

00:46:55.680 right? And he loves to run, and the other one's learning how to ride a bike. And so it's just

00:47:04.640 trying to be in the moment. And I know we get told that we also get told by grandparents,

00:47:10.320 oh, enjoy your babies while they're young, it goes so fast. And yet, when you're in the grind,

00:47:16.560 you feel like it's brutal some days. But when we talk about patience, Tanya, you mentioned that

00:47:24.080 we as parents are also being refined over the years, whether we're just parenting,

00:47:31.440 or whether we're parenting and homeschooling, or whether we're parenting homeschooling,

00:47:34.720 and I throw a job in there. And there's just a lot going on. And everything takes time. And

00:47:43.040 miraculously, they all graduate.

00:47:44.960 Yeah, it all works out.

00:47:46.720 Find yourself a big long timeline. And don't just say, you know, I'm only going to homeschool one

00:47:51.680 year. If you tell yourself, I want my child to read in the next three years, that gives you three

00:47:56.400 years to master a lot of basic reading fundamentals and, and enjoy it.

00:48:03.440 Well, and I can, yes, yeah. And I can pretty well guarantee you, if you compare to what our kids,

00:48:08.560 how our kids are doing in the publicly funded education system, I was bringing up some stats

00:48:14.720 from Ontario. And that's from a few years ago, I can only imagine where it's at right now.

00:48:19.040 And kids are when they graduate at a 60% reading 60 less in math and writing maybe 67%. Those are

00:48:28.320 horrible numbers to be graduating on. So trust me, you can't do worse than the public education system.

00:48:33.920 And I understand. And that's not to say there's not wonderful teachers in the education system,

00:48:39.920 but they're having to comply with rules and policies that are not benefiting our kids. So stick in

00:48:48.160 there, public education teachers that, you know, you have good hearts because, you know,

00:48:52.640 we're working in the background, trying to make sure for parents that cannot pull their kids out,

00:48:57.280 that the education system will be a place once again, that will better serve our children.

00:49:02.880 But with that in mind, we've talked a number of times about, I've said you can do more in two hours

00:49:08.400 than you can in six hours at school. But is there a, you had mentioned a four hour program,

00:49:13.760 something like that in our notes going back and forward?

00:49:16.880 Yeah, there's a book I highly recommend. It's called The Four Hour School Day by Dorenda Wilson.

00:49:23.840 And she, it's a simple read. It's an easy read. She had 10 children and homeschooled them all. And,

00:49:31.520 you know, how do you get them to all learn something at the same time? And it's a great little read to

00:49:37.680 encourage parents to simplify their lives when it comes to education. You don't need them at a table

00:49:44.720 for hours in a day, especially when they're little, like you can be done in an hour if they're under

00:49:50.800 eight, even. High school, they might do an hour after lunch and then they're done. And yeah, you can

00:49:59.200 accomplish a lot in a very short period of time. And a lot of times we think schoolwork means

00:50:07.040 sit there and fill in the blanks and then turn the page so that I feel better.

00:50:13.040 And it's not about the parent feeling better. It's about did the child master the concept?

00:50:18.560 And if they did a page and that was a big deal that day, that's a win. If they got four pages done

00:50:26.320 and they're mastering, move on to the next concept. It's so easy when you finally get what gets them going.

00:50:36.880 Yeah, I love that. And I know that I had one of those little Fisher Price chalkboards and

00:50:42.800 my daughter was two years younger than my son, but she was a little busy person and always active.

00:50:48.320 And I was teaching my son on the chalkboard about addition and I had fun drawing different animals,

00:50:56.400 just making it an interesting time. And I tell you, she was picking up everything so quickly. She's

00:51:03.280 very artistic, very visual. So, you know, you may think that you're only teaching one child,

00:51:08.320 but you're actually affecting many, you know, your other children. I mean, but what do you do?

00:51:13.280 How do you manage when you have multiple children in different grades?

00:51:20.800 Who wants to go for that, Lori?

00:51:23.520 Well, unit studies are a wonderful way to start something like Gather Round. It's a Canadian

00:51:28.400 company and a Christian that writes the curriculum. But being able to understand that not every single

00:51:35.440 subject needs to be, you know, is separate from each other. Like I said before, I loved our morning

00:51:41.840 times. We'd spend about an hour and a half studying the Bible, praying. Sometimes we'd worship. I had,

00:51:47.440 like, kids' worship videos. Sometimes I'd do with them. And then we'd study history or current events

00:51:52.800 together. And that was really precious time. And then when they were little, we would even do science

00:51:57.280 together as well. So understanding that, you know, like they need to be able to do their math on their

00:52:02.720 own. They need to be able to do, you know, reading at their level and writing at their level. But those

00:52:09.280 assignments can actually be according to their age. So you can give an assignment to, you know,

00:52:15.280 like multiple children and one child will write three sentences and another child will write a

00:52:20.880 paragraph, another child will write a page, you know, those kinds of things. So you don't feel

00:52:25.600 like you have to do everything all separate. Just because our school system does that does not mean

00:52:30.800 that it was always done or that it's the best way to do that. Think of one room classrooms.

00:52:35.680 There were always, you know, different dynamics going on at the same time. So again, we have to get

00:52:41.920 out of how we learned and be able to think of how can we make this work in a better way that will help

00:52:48.640 them all learn together. And like you said, there's often times where you're teaching

00:52:53.200 to the older children and the younger children are actually picking up more than you realize.

00:52:59.280 And do you find, because I have found for the homeschool children that I've met

00:53:04.240 as young adults, there's a bit, there's more of a closeness there between them and their families.

00:53:10.800 It's just something to, I can't name anybody right now where I'd actually say,

00:53:16.560 yeah, those kids just don't get along or they don't like each other. And I just love that bond.

00:53:22.000 But do they mentor one another as well? Because I'm thinking, okay, so you have,

00:53:26.160 say, even if you spend four hours in learning in a day, what do homeschool kids do for the rest of

00:53:33.200 the day? Do they have jobs, chores? What occupies the rest of their time?

00:53:40.560 Oh, well, the list is endless, but I'll just speak from my own experience.

00:53:44.560 So after lunch, let's take them to about high school. We lived in a tourist town. And so we were,

00:53:53.040 they were done school by lunch. They were the first kids to get hired for the seasonal tourist

00:53:58.640 jobs and would start a job two days a week or so after lunch. There's that. There's projects they can

00:54:06.240 work on. Let's say it's, it is a science project or there's some sort of graph that goes with the unit

00:54:14.240 study. This is their creative time. It doesn't have to be three hours. It doesn't have to be till three

00:54:20.320 o'clock. It can be an hour. There's chores. Absolutely. I had a chore list on the fridge

00:54:26.720 and they took turns throughout the week or each week rotated. And yeah, so there's different things

00:54:34.800 like that that keep up. And if they're falling behind the cracks in something, then sometimes

00:54:40.400 after lunch, well, every day after lunch, I did the reading out loud to the kids. But if one kid was

00:54:47.440 struggling, I would do the one-on-one and spend 20 minutes just reading one-on-one with the child,

00:54:54.560 just to sort of grasp the new concepts. And yeah. How about you, Laurie? You must have lots of things

00:55:02.080 too. Yeah. News lessons, you know, practice time, creative time, even involving grandparents or,

00:55:09.200 you know, aunts and uncles, like those relationships we often just push to the side. But if you're close to,

00:55:15.200 like in proximity to grandparents, they would love, you know, for your children to come visit. So my

00:55:20.800 parents just live 20 minutes away on a farm. So I'd take my kids there and they'd help garden or,

00:55:26.160 you know, different things like that. So they get to be involved in a lot more activities and

00:55:31.680 volunteering and creative expressions, be able to find out what they're passionate about, what they're,

00:55:37.760 what they enjoy and all those kinds of things that, you know, you don't usually do, but,

00:55:42.240 and being able to involve them with, you know, is, is dad doing a plumbing job or, you know,

00:55:47.440 those kinds of things that you can involve them with where maybe you wouldn't before. So yeah,

00:55:52.640 just taking advantage of those kinds of opportunities is, is good.

00:55:55.760 I love what you just said about with dad. My dad passed away way, when I was way too young,

00:56:02.240 but I went growing up, we did projects. They had built a house and I would remember being out there,

00:56:08.240 we were on just over an acre. We ended up having horses and things and out there raking the property

00:56:12.720 and, you know, seeding with grass. And we would all work on the house together and wash it, stain it.

00:56:20.640 It was just always Saturday was family day. It was a work be day. And Saturday night was family night.

00:56:27.280 We would watch a movie together, Lassie or whatever you call it, but those are incredibly rich memories.

00:56:32.720 And you have to be very intentional to do with you this, with your kids. Yes. You know what you

00:56:37.360 could say? I'll be easier to do it myself. I'll at least get it done. Right. But then how do your

00:56:41.600 kids learn? And the other thing that I found as well is that we had an elderly neighbor and her

00:56:48.400 husband had passed away. Her daughter wasn't around much and the landlord wasn't doing much to assist

00:56:54.240 her or make sure her place was decent. And we went in and we painted. And then you have that act of

00:57:01.200 service that you're building within your kids that one day they'll to do that, build true empathy and

00:57:07.520 compassion compared to what they want to do in all these social agendas with the school systems.

00:57:14.080 And so that's something else that I love and I could see could be a very integral part of

00:57:19.920 homeschooling is having that voluntary time. And I love it to help out grandparents do some gardening

00:57:26.400 and whatever else is needed for individuals. Dog walking, another exceptional thing, help them

00:57:32.560 make a couple of bucks a neighbor, lawn mowing. And for fathers, you know, if you're a mechanic,

00:57:38.240 it's just so wonderful to show kids how to do an oil change. That's homeschooling time, correct?

00:57:44.800 Yeah, absolutely. And let me add here too, like if they're in high school and they are already

00:57:49.760 leaning towards the trades, they can get started already. Certainly after 16, start working on

00:57:59.520 building either towards their ticketing or towards experience and work alongside somebody in that

00:58:08.320 trade that they're interested in. And what, like I had daughters, so my middle daughter,

00:58:13.520 she was obsessed with photography. And so I found the main lead photographer in my little town

00:58:21.600 to take her on once a week after lunch and show her how to use a camera properly and all the things

00:58:28.960 that can do. And today, my daughter is a professional photographer. So, and that leans back into what

00:58:38.400 delighted her. I opened that world for her because I could see she was a visual and, you know, she can

00:58:46.800 read and write and do math and all those things, but her passion is pictures.

00:58:50.880 So it's really a matter of like looking for what their individual gifts are and moving with that. And

00:58:56.800 I know sometimes like my son in the summer when he was 15, he got his first job. I think that was,

00:59:03.040 or was it 13? I think it was 15. And it was at a construction site that was not too far away. And

00:59:09.760 they hired him to do all the sweeping and cleaning after everybody was done for the day. I mean, he

00:59:15.360 ended up pursuing, he does construction and he can build. And I just think I wanted him to be hands-on.

00:59:20.880 As a man, there's too many men nowadays who can sit behind a computer and program a computer,

00:59:25.520 but don't know how to fix anything around the house. And that's a travesty. And I was mentioning

00:59:30.240 about my dad as well. And when my dad passed away, I just felt like, oh, how am I going to get some of

00:59:35.200 these things fixed around the home? Well, I can replace a sink and a toilet. I can do crown molding

00:59:40.240 and flooring. And it's because my dad always said, you can do anything you put your mind to.

00:59:44.720 And so I had those work day bees out there where I'm trying to figure out how to put new shakes on my

00:59:49.360 roof with my kids and, you know, doing those types of things. So always involve them because you are

00:59:56.400 growing experience in them. And some of those things I really think we should be instilling

01:00:02.080 in our boys and in our girls. Too many girls don't know how to properly clean a house anymore and learn

01:00:09.040 how to cook. And again, you know, because of this attack against male and female and, you know,

01:00:16.000 as if it's degrading for a woman to have the responsibility of cleaning a home and making the

01:00:21.680 dinner. And there's much co-parenting going on because, you know, more and more both families

01:00:26.960 are working, but maintaining that strength within the home. And yes, you know, men need to learn. We

01:00:33.680 need to both learn each other's chores, I guess you can say. But at the same time, I really want men to be

01:00:44.080 the fixer in the home. I really want women to be the one that nurtures and cooks and is teaching,

01:00:50.480 you know, the baking. We don't want to go to the direction the world has taken it because I think

01:00:56.240 they've diminished the role of both male and men and women. And I want our kids to know the

01:01:00.720 difference for that to be firm. So don't be ashamed of saying, you know what, girls like

01:01:06.240 dresses and wear pink. Yes, they like to climb trees as well, but I still think we should instill

01:01:11.280 some values in them that traditionally have always worked so that they can pass those on to their

01:01:16.160 children as well. Yeah. So how do you prepare kids for graduation? Like that to me would be the

01:01:24.960 scariest part of homeschool and I can do the primary years. But how do you get past that hump

01:01:29.920 of thinking, I'm not smart enough to do this? Like, how do you get to that point where you actually help

01:01:35.120 your kids graduate? Laura, you go, you just recently graduated yours. Yeah, for sure. Yeah,

01:01:42.000 that intimidated me as well. It was, it was kind of a bit of a process of going, okay, we're doing this,

01:01:47.600 but you know, again, there's wonderful curriculum out there. You're not alone. You don't feel it needs

01:01:53.200 to feel like, you know, you have to be teaching grade 12 math or calculus or something like that.

01:01:59.440 So find some curriculum that your kids can work through. Also get familiar with, with what they want

01:02:04.720 to do as well. Like, do they want to go into the trades? Well, then maybe that you can talk to the,

01:02:11.040 the, you know, the technical school nearby you or something like that to see what the requirements

01:02:16.720 are for home-educated children. This is becoming more and more of a, you know, like a viable option.

01:02:23.120 So most colleges and universities will have an application process for homeschooled students.

01:02:30.000 Uh, for mine, they're, they're both in college. They needed a parent generated transcript. I got mine

01:02:36.800 from, um, HLSDA, the homeschool legal defense association. They have a template that I was able to fill

01:02:43.600 out. It's really important to be able to record everything that you're doing so that you have, um, you

01:02:49.280 know, the, uh, a portfolio of work and be able to say, okay, you know, about this many hours went into this

01:02:57.680 class or that kind of thing. I always think of if there was a hundred hours in a normal high school

01:03:02.480 class, well, about 50 hours in a homeschool class would probably be about the same amount, um, of,

01:03:09.040 of learning, um, outcomes and those kinds of things. So, um, but yeah, just really being familiar with

01:03:14.880 what your children are good at, what they want to do. And also understand that if they really want to

01:03:21.200 become a plumber later in life, they'll be able to jump through the hoops and do what they need to.

01:03:26.320 So don't feel like you, you know, you have to get everything, all the basis of life and

01:03:31.200 all their different options forever done before they're 18. So I wouldn't have to become a plumber

01:03:37.520 for my son to become a plumber. Yeah. Okay. Oh, that's good. So just, just, uh, relax, but also

01:03:46.480 do your homework and, uh, and prepare them, you know, for what they're, what they're good at,

01:03:51.440 what they're passionate about, and then realize that, you know what, if they need a course later on,

01:03:55.760 that's okay. They'll get there. That's very practical advice. Doris, anything to add to that?

01:04:02.320 Yeah. So, um, in BC where I live, and I think there's a couple of provinces that do it this way,

01:04:08.320 too. There's two choices. You either register the child right to grade 12, which means, um,

01:04:14.000 they don't graduate with the provincial, uh, what we call the dog with the provincial, um,

01:04:19.760 uh, graduation certificate. Um, or you can, uh, do the grad program, which is from grade nine,

01:04:29.520 starts in grade nine, no, starts in grade 10, 10, 11, 12. And then you graduate with the high

01:04:34.960 school diplomacy, but then you need to fulfill the learning outcomes of what they tell you to do,

01:04:40.400 which isn't a bad thing. Um, so my oldest did that because she wanted to go to university

01:04:46.160 and the younger two have the homeschool equivalency certificate, which is similar to what Lori's kids

01:04:52.080 have. And, um, they are, they were all viable and they all work. Um, again, you need to inquire about

01:05:01.120 the schools, what is required to enter. Sometimes all you need to write is their entrance exam. You

01:05:07.760 don't need to even have, uh, proper or, or what we think is official certificancy from your province.

01:05:15.520 So if people are wondering what the rules and laws of, of our, of their particular province,

01:05:21.760 there is a link on our website where they can, you had showed it earlier, Tanya, where they can click

01:05:26.880 their province and then, uh, contact those people in those groups there. Cause they know,

01:05:33.200 oh, it'll either be on their website too. It'll break down there. Um, there you go.

01:05:39.440 It'll break down, um, the province, uh, laws and regulations. And, uh, so what I would say, if it's,

01:05:46.240 if graduating with a certificate is really, really important, then I would say by grade nine, uh, start

01:05:53.520 thinking and asking the question so that you're not shocked in grade 11 going, oh, we missed a course.

01:05:59.600 And now we're going to have to like add this last course at the end. Um, I know somebody who lives

01:06:05.920 in on or lived in Ontario at the time and their laws were very different than BC. And, uh, she had

01:06:12.720 enrolled them in a high school math class through the province and, uh, they needed math and English to

01:06:18.880 get in university and that's all that mattered. So, um, yeah, just research that. And if you have

01:06:25.840 any questions about that, you can also email me at homeschooling at action for Canada.ca and I can

01:06:31.120 point you to how to find that information. Um, but again, like not everybody's going to go to

01:06:38.960 university. It's not always about the university. And, uh, if sometimes you just have to do one year

01:06:45.760 of college and then you can transfer into, if you need university, transfer into university later,

01:06:51.280 um, where you take a gap year and you travel and you go see the world or you work for your,

01:06:57.600 so you really figure out what it is you really, really want to do. And then you go, oh, you know

01:07:03.040 what? I thought I was going to go to university, but I'm going to actually go to this trade school now.

01:07:08.000 Um, it gives a little more time and then they go in as mature students.

01:07:12.640 And then they just look for the credentials of what's needed to enter those particular

01:07:18.720 post-secondary schools. So it's not like this one way out homeschooling. Like Lori said,

01:07:25.280 if you have a portfolio of work that's been completed, that shows lots. Um, and then you

01:07:31.760 can write down all the work experiences and universities and colleges love homeschoolers.

01:07:35.840 They love them. They want them because they're self-directed. They're, um, they're critical

01:07:43.360 thinkers and you know, they're self-motivated. They know how to do school. And so they're,

01:07:48.880 they're actually sought after. Absolutely. Well, that is amazing that we're at the top

01:07:54.720 of the hour here. And I just want to thank you both so much for coming on and sharing your experiences

01:08:00.960 and providing more information. I would encourage our viewers that if you're really wanting to get

01:08:07.440 started on homeschooling, I was just bringing up the two pages. They're on our website. And if there's

01:08:12.800 anything that we're missing, or you have a further question on at the top of the homeschooling revolution

01:08:18.000 page is our A4C homeschool email, where you can contact Doris or Lori and, uh, provide,

01:08:24.800 they'll provide you, you know, with an answer or with a link to whatever it is that you're trying

01:08:30.000 to find. Do go on to our homeschool webinar page. Doris has previously done, uh, interviews with some

01:08:39.040 of the most amazing guests. Lori had mentioned, I think it was the HSLDA and they are, um, individuals

01:08:46.640 that can provide legal support for homeschoolers. Sometimes you may have a radical person within your

01:08:53.200 community that doesn't want you homeschooling. You need a little legal advice or just for other

01:08:57.760 information, but we've got a lot of info on there to help you out pretty much with every question you

01:09:02.800 could possibly have. So, um, on that, I would just like to hear a closing, um, a word of encouragement

01:09:10.400 or any tip that you want to give to parents as we end the show here. Doris, do you want to begin?

01:09:16.960 Yeah. Um, I would say, um, enjoy it. And when it feels like you didn't get anywhere,

01:09:27.040 think about where you started from. So if you're just starting, whether you're starting kindergarten

01:09:31.760 or starting and you're grade eight and you've pulled your child out right now, this week, write

01:09:37.560 down all the things of why you're pulling your child and some, maybe set five goals that you would

01:09:45.760 like to see happen in the next, for the next school year and, uh, hang on to your reason why,

01:09:53.600 because usually people tire out by April, May, and it's okay to be done school by May because you

01:10:04.320 probably are done and that's the other beauty, but always reflect on the why, because that's going

01:10:10.320 to carry you through and spend the summer, um, get online and find, uh, links, like go on our website

01:10:20.480 and watch the videos. There's other links, do your research, find ways to find support to learn as a

01:10:27.200 parent and, uh, and just love your child. Spend that time with your child. You're going to see that child

01:10:34.240 change. That child will settle. That child will be valued and heard and will be able to shine and

01:10:45.760 expect greatness from them at a young age because our culture, and it's been going on for decades,

01:10:51.440 has been dumbing down our teenagers for so long that some of them are still living in mama's basement

01:10:58.560 at 30. And so we want to expect greatness from them right from, right from when they're home, just

01:11:06.400 or even if anytime, just expect them that they can and they're going to feel that and they're going to

01:11:12.640 perform. And that's really fun to watch that in the child.

01:11:17.560 And it's into them. I love that doors. And like I had just shared, my dad always said, you can do

01:11:23.080 anything you put your mind to. And I was like inside, I go, no, I can't. And then I'm like, yes, I can.

01:11:27.560 And dad said so. And I can still hear him in my head, you know, as I take on new projects. So

01:11:32.220 that's just wonderful. And so Lori, how about you?

01:11:36.380 Yeah, I just want to encourage you that God made you your kids' parents. So he's given you everything

01:11:42.160 that you need for life and godliness and, but also do things that give you life. So, you know,

01:11:48.060 my kids at a very early age, we all had quiet time because mom needed a nap or, you know, or get

01:11:54.840 together with another parent and be able to have some fellowship because women need fellowship.

01:11:59.620 So do those things that give you life and realize that God has made your children brilliant and ask

01:12:06.120 him for wisdom. You know, James in the Bible says that if anybody lacks wisdom, they should ask God

01:12:10.800 and he gives to them. And I leaned on that verse more times than I can count. So God has made you

01:12:17.940 the parent for your children and he will equip you with everything that you need. So just be confident in

01:12:23.460 that. I love that, Lori. Thank you for sharing that. And it was just Father's Day. And in the

01:12:29.320 message as I was creating it, I said to men, you know, one of the greatest gifts you can give your

01:12:34.240 children and to women, to wives is a good relationship. And marriage is hard. It's going

01:12:40.680 to be difficult when you're homeschooling. There's going to be those challenges, but you know, those

01:12:45.460 little ones are watching you and everything you do. And so it's just not one spouse's responsibility

01:12:52.880 for the homeschooling. I think, would you agree with that where kids are really thriving as well

01:12:58.240 as where dad is stepping in and using his skills and his gifts as well to contribute and to help

01:13:04.020 cut some vegetables and do what's needed and clean up and co-parent and all the rest of it. But yeah,

01:13:10.020 it's a big job and a big commitment, but I don't think you'll ever be sorry for it. You might get,

01:13:16.080 as Doris said, a little exhausted come April and May. And, but even in a, you're working full-time

01:13:21.920 job, even in real life, I found it more exhausting having to take my kids to school every day. Like

01:13:28.720 when summer holidays came and I just loved it. I didn't want my kids to go back into school in

01:13:35.340 September because I just, just absolutely adored spending the time with them and the teaching and

01:13:42.300 the things that we did together. And, and so try to embrace that. I also love what you said, Laurie,

01:13:47.980 about having your friends or Doris, you mentioned your sister-in-law. If you can co-homeschool with

01:13:56.420 somebody else, or maybe a group of people, there are times where they'll say, you know what,

01:14:01.900 go take a break today. We got this. And, uh, I remember meeting one woman when I was traveling and

01:14:08.020 speaking. It was so adorable. We were all talking about homeschooling and she's like, well, I know

01:14:12.920 how to pluck a chicken and I know how to cook and I know how to bake. And that's something I could do,

01:14:17.960 but she was concerned because she wasn't good with some of the stronger academics. And we're like,

01:14:22.820 even what you're saying is that's okay. Use your gifts and talents because everything that everybody

01:14:28.540 brings as a community together will be of advantage to our kids. All right. Well, thank you so much.

01:14:35.420 Again, I'm going to ask our viewers to give us a thumbs up when we post this rumble video and to

01:14:40.720 be sure to share it, visit our homeschooling page, share it with others, talk to the grandparents,

01:14:47.640 ask them to be involved. You know what, let them say, Hey, mom and dad, we're considering this. Do we

01:14:52.400 have your support? And get as many people on board with you as well as a family unit, taking something

01:14:59.100 on of this magnitude. Anyways, just God bless you both. Thank you for taking the time to share this all

01:15:04.400 with us tonight. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Okay. Woo. That was amazing. So yeah, I mean,

01:15:13.860 this is really, you know, we're going into summer in a couple of weeks. Some people are already,

01:15:18.380 kids are maybe finishing up this week in high school for the summer break and parents are thinking

01:15:24.160 about having that breath. There's many parents that are working full-time jobs and having to put

01:15:29.100 their kids in daycare and they're hating the idea of that. And with the economy, the way it is,

01:15:34.960 I know things are really hard, but I believe that if you pray about this, God will give you a way.

01:15:41.240 And I believe that in talking to your parents, grandparents, that there is a way to manage this.

01:15:49.120 In the past, I've said, if you have friends, you have five friends that are willing to homeschool

01:15:53.560 and each one of you take a day and a group of parents, you know, watch the kids giving one parent

01:16:01.000 the day off, sharing your gifts and talents that maybe you need to work three days a week, but you

01:16:07.080 can take two off as part of your responsibility in helping this group to homeschool. Just pray about

01:16:14.740 it, think about it, work, find out ways that you can work around your job. If you need that income,

01:16:24.020 absolutely 100% to help pay the mortgage or rent or whatever your circumstances is. We know that

01:16:30.760 it's difficult, but we know that you will be blessed and your children will certainly be blessed

01:16:35.140 if you can manage to work this out. And again, I'm going to emphasize that Action for Canada is going to

01:16:39.960 keep continuing to fight for the parents that can't remove their kids from the school system to

01:16:45.620 make sure that sanity returns to humanity, especially in the education system. So hang in there and we'll

01:16:52.540 all continue to work together on this. All right. So our next week's guest is going to be Dr. Peter

01:16:59.320 McCullough. We haven't had him on for quite a while. It's been far too long. And so I'm really looking

01:17:04.620 forward to this. He has been before the Senate on numerous occasions. I'm going to be including in

01:17:10.520 the action that's coming out a video of highlights of a Senate meeting that he was recently in. I can't

01:17:17.940 even begin to tell you how excited I am in what's going on regarding all things COVID corruption and

01:17:24.880 how this is coming to the forefront and that evidence is coming out. And there was, I had just seen

01:17:32.340 it before coming into the show. I'm going to make sure that it's part of the interview in discussing

01:17:37.740 it. But a leader, I'm sorry, it's a European country. I can't remember the name of it right now.

01:17:43.540 He is putting a full stop on purchasing any more COVID jabs. He was very opposed to it during COVID,

01:17:50.580 but there was another leader in the country and they are proving that it is changing the DNA

01:17:55.840 and that the jab is intentionally was caused, was created to cause harm and to ruin immune systems

01:18:06.220 and cause great devastation. And so I can't wait to have Dr. McCullough on to discuss how things are

01:18:12.700 advancing as far as justice is concerned. In the courts, Fauci's computer was taken and they

01:18:22.520 have said that there was information on there, again, to prove corruption and Action for Canada's

01:18:29.480 legal action is still going. It's one of the only COVID cases still in the courts. And they're really

01:18:34.040 trying to prohibit us from going into the courts and hearing from our expert witnesses. And so they

01:18:39.020 want to do another motion to strike, but we're going to keep fighting. And one of the biggest things you

01:18:43.280 can do for us is pray. And we know that prayer moves mountains. And God told me years ago,

01:18:49.100 he said, pursue justice and I'll meet in the courts. I don't know what that looks like,

01:18:53.800 but you can imagine what having a faith the size of a mustard seed feels like right now,

01:18:59.500 because I said, yes, Lord, and we're moving forward with that. I'm also wanting to hear from Dr.

01:19:04.920 McCullough if there's any more treatments that have come up, possible cures to having the mRNA gene therapy.

01:19:12.080 It'd be quite a miracle if there is. And I also want to discuss the movement that is on the rise

01:19:21.000 in Canada and around the world for new parents to not immunize their children. And we're going to

01:19:27.400 discuss the childhood vaccines. We've got a complete page on it, which I'll be including in the action

01:19:32.600 as well, because the increased rate of autism is like from 100,000 to 1 in 30 or less. And this is

01:19:41.940 none other but related directly to the immunizations. They're poisoning our kids, and we need to get

01:19:48.340 control of this. And so that's fantastic. I'm looking forward to that and hope you will join us.

01:19:54.040 And then the verse for today is from Titus 2, 7 to 8.

01:19:59.340 In everything, set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching, show integrity,

01:20:06.340 seriousness, and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned. And so your children are watching

01:20:12.120 everything that you do. It's not that you can't have bad days, but do apologize for them. Set that

01:20:17.720 example. Show them the love. And when they are old, they will not depart from it.

01:20:24.040 And they will honor you as their parents. So I just encourage you in that.

01:20:27.900 All right. Thanks again for joining us. God bless you. And God bless Canada.

01:20:32.440 Welcome, Tanya.

01:20:34.960 That's what I've got to say. Look at this crowd.

01:20:45.840 I'm going to thank God and God alone for the ground that I'm standing on.

01:20:54.040 I'm going to thank our founding fathers for giving their lives and sacrificing so much

01:21:04.320 for our freedom.

01:21:08.320 And I'm calling on you today. Don't put them to shame. Don't waste what they did. We have

01:21:16.940 guaranteed rights in this country.

01:21:26.420 We are putting chapters across the nation. We are going to be in every town and every city.

01:21:33.720 And we are going to build communities within these communities of like-minded people who are

01:21:39.040 actually going to care for one another again and love on each other and give each other the help

01:21:43.980 when they're down. We are going to use the teams and the people that build within chapters to support

01:21:51.320 our businesses. The government's actions are completely 100% unlawful. Judgment will again be found on

01:22:02.400 justice and those with virtuous hearts will pursue it. You have a virtuous heart if you are here today

01:22:11.380 pursuing freedom and righteousness.

01:22:14.260 God says he will turn the sins of evil people back on them. He will destroy them for their sins. I take great

01:22:32.420 comfort in that because I serve a mighty living God who has allowed us to go through this season

01:22:41.400 of discomfort because we as a nation have turned our backs on him. And we need to get right.

01:22:50.020 So I am just going to thank you so much. I'm going to say God bless you and God bless Canada.

01:22:57.400 God bless you and God bless you and God bless you.

01:23:27.400 God bless you and God bless you and God bless you.

01:23:57.380 God bless you and God bless you and God bless you and God bless you and God bless you and God bless you and say

01:24:10.820 God bless you and God bless you

01:24:16.560 God bless you and God bless you and God bless you and God bless you and God bless you and God bless you

01:24:21.440 Action for the killer, we stand tall

01:24:25.120 With love and saints, we can't wait on

01:24:28.400 We hold on tight

01:24:30.320 We hold on tight

01:24:51.440 We hold on tight, we lift it high

01:24:59.760 And with God we'll sew it to the sky

01:25:03.240 Our people fed up with these lies

01:25:06.860 But together they can't even try

01:25:10.280 Action for the killer, we unite

01:25:15.560 Joining hands work for the fight

01:25:19.000 Action for the killer, we stand tall

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Action4Canada - June 19, 2025

The Upside of Homeschooling with Tanya Gaw, Doris Livingstone & Lori Dunbar, June 18, 2025

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