Learn English with Kate O'Brien, Director of the Department of Immunizations, Vaccines, and Biologicals at the World Health Organization (WHO) and the United States' Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, joins me to discuss the importance of vaccines and the need to make better use of them.
00:00:10.540I'm the director of the Department of Immunizations, Vaccines, and Biologicals at the World Health Organization.
00:00:17.760I welcome all of you to this interesting panel and what I hope will be an active discussion to the degree that we can.
00:00:25.820Clearly a lot of interest, a lot of people in the room, so this will be an important discussion.
00:00:34.720We're going to be talking about promoting vaccine confidence, enhancing global immunization efforts to protect the health of all generations.
00:00:44.180And this affects, as we know, vaccines are the broadest, deepest primary health care program that we have around the world.
00:00:52.020And we're all in this together, especially because pathogens don't recognize borders.
00:00:59.660So this is a topic that is critical for every country, every family, and every community around the world.
00:01:08.060We have a fabulous panel here, and I'm not going to take more time because I think we want to hear from the panelists and hear from you as well.
00:01:18.140So let me take the opportunity to turn it over to Secretary Azar from the United States.
00:09:14.060Let me give you a taste of the findings.
00:09:16.640Forty-eight percent of European Union citizens believe vaccines can often produce serious side effects.
00:09:24.980Thirty-eight percent believe vaccines can cause the diseases against which they protect.
00:09:31.820Thirty-four do not see the need to be vaccinated.
00:09:35.400And twenty-nine think vaccination is only necessary for children.
00:09:39.600At the same time, the survey highlights where we need targeted actions, and it points to some solutions.
00:09:47.740For example, it shows that citizens trust healthcare workers and health authorities to provide them with information and advice on vaccines.
00:09:56.880So, we need to support health workers and empower them so that they can build on this trust.
00:10:03.740They are the front line when it comes to vaccination.
00:10:06.840The coalition of health workers for vaccination at EU level, which we recently established, recognizes this.
00:10:14.500It looks to strengthen the engagement of healthcare professionals and aims to increase vaccine acceptance and counter vaccination myth.
00:10:23.420The survey also shows that the majority of citizens have a positive attitude towards vaccination.
00:10:28.980So, we need to reinforce these positive perceptions.
00:58:20.860Yeah, they're still out there. And I think that this has been said here by our colleagues, Berkeley
00:58:28.060and, uh, and others, but maybe working with a minimum, uh,
00:58:37.660number of vaccines that could be obligatory for people to travel, for people to take their passports.
00:58:45.500I have here three congressmen from Brazil in this room, and I'm asking them to run some laws for our
00:58:53.900kids to go to school. And how are we going to deal with that? The individual right versus the
00:59:02.700public right. How to deal with, uh, all those fake news and this internet. Is this, uh,
00:59:13.020something harmless? Is it something that they do, they do just to express their opinion?
00:59:19.580Or is this like a kind of biological terrorism that has been done because it causes death to people?
00:59:27.820This is something that all congress in the world should make their discussions and try to find ways.
00:59:35.660We should have it a mobile. We cannot, maybe we could do this mobile so that people all around the
00:59:43.660world would have their records on vaccines and they could travel. Because on paper, this is something
00:59:51.580that it's, it's almost impossible for someone to find it and to show it and to keep it with them. So I
00:59:59.180think that this has got to be done by a campaign, uh, in the way that people said here with elders
01:00:05.980telling what happened. I have friends of mine. I was born in 1964. I have friends that had polio.
01:00:12.220They are there with their, their, their, uh, all the troubles that polio brings for a kid and for an
01:00:21.500adult. And I think that they are the ones that have to say, and maybe the World Health Organization
01:00:27.900should be the one to hold the campaign because it has this world abroad, uh, performing to talk about
01:00:35.020it. Comments. One is we've talked about health. You know, this is not a health problem. This in a
01:00:43.100sense is a whole of government problem because we need to engage the local telecommunication
01:00:48.620ministries. We need to think about defense. If it turns out that there is, you know, trying to create
01:00:53.900instability, home ministries, local government ministries, communications, et cetera. So I think
01:00:59.820it's important to not just pigeonhole this now as a, as a problem. And, and the counter wise of that,
01:01:07.020I, I want to say that what we need is a movement that in a sense goes almost beyond immunization.
01:01:12.540It's linking immunization to being a good parent. It's having people understand that value. And the
01:01:18.100reason I say that, it's very interesting. We work with private sector partners and one of our private
01:01:22.440sector partners is a, you know, large company. I can say a Unilever who's, you know, working on,
01:01:28.040on selling things around the world. And when they began to test things as they do, because they
01:01:33.640have very good marketing systems, that traditional things weren't as valuable as having parents feel
01:01:40.900pride that they are doing the right thing for their children. And I think that's the type of proactive
01:01:47.520campaigns we can do to make it a societal norm that in fact, if you're not immunizing your parents,
01:01:53.320you're a bad parent. I mean, your children, you're a bad parent. And if you are, you're doing
01:01:57.900something that protects them for life, that builds their, you know, ability to contribute,
01:02:03.260et cetera. So I think there's a lot that we could do with that in terms of trying to make this a
01:02:07.720social movement. I don't disagree with your slip of the tongue, which was maybe you're also a bad
01:02:13.420parent if you're not immunizing your parents. But yes. Peter, please. And then we have one more hand.
01:02:20.300We probably have time for two more questions. So one and two. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This has
01:02:25.240been a great discussion. And one of the other challenges and big ideas that we have to think
01:02:29.720about, in my remarks, I focused a lot on the measles vaccine and declining rates in the U.S. and
01:02:35.960the anti-vaccine movement. But the anti-vaccine movement, now I see, now being out there in front
01:02:43.100defending vaccines is drawing a new line in the sand. And the new line is around the introduction of
01:02:48.820new vaccines. That seems to be the next big battleground that I'm seeing. We're already seeing
01:02:54.880with targeted aggression towards the HPV vaccine. We're seeing, you know, terrible uptake rates in
01:03:02.480parts of the United States where only half of teenage girls are getting vaccinated. We're condemning
01:03:08.420a generation of women to cervical cancer. I think we're going to start to see it now. I'm seeing a lot
01:03:14.420about the malaria vaccine now being introduced into Africa, the dengue vaccine. So I think this
01:03:20.940is going to be a new battleground that we have to look at. As we advance introduction of new vaccines,
01:03:27.280we have to anticipate that a big chunk of the anti-vaccine movement will come along with it.
01:03:32.860We've got about 10 minutes that we're going to use to wrap up. And I'll just have some closing
01:03:40.960comments from my side. And then I'll turn it over to some of the panelists here to provide some
01:03:46.520closing remarks. And then we'll let you go to your next event. What's really clear is the way forward
01:03:52.840is together. There's no question about that. Not one entity represented in this room, not one country
01:03:59.800can go this alone. The issues are complex. They're often really local. And for that, we need local
01:04:07.380solutions that are tailored to that specific context. And I think what's also clear is this
01:04:13.800is not an issue that's going away. This is not a blip that we're going to get over and we're going to
01:04:19.060sort of go back to an era from a decade ago. And we each have a part to play in committing to
01:04:27.660solving these complex solutions, especially around demand, confidence, and hesitancy. And we've heard
01:04:36.400hear how deeply linked those are to the services that are provided, the quality of health care workers,
01:04:43.620the training, and the actual provision of vaccines that are of high quality and that people want to
01:04:50.680get. So I want to just describe a little bit at WHO that we are leaning forward on leading and convening
01:05:00.900on best practices around vaccine hesitancy and demand, and especially on how to measure it. I think
01:05:09.020that's one of the key things that not, we really don't know how to track this, nor how to have
01:05:17.000measurements that have some validity around predictions of what people will actually do with
01:05:22.740respect to vaccinations. I think we have to remember this very firm link between confidence
01:05:28.860demand and hesitancy, and the kinds of services that every government is providing to their communities
01:05:35.880and the whole range of communities. We haven't spoken about vaccines across the life course, but I think
01:05:43.700we shouldn't forget that, that adults, either older adults or parent age adults, when they understand
01:05:52.240even the vaccines that they should receive for their own health, are more likely to actually seek
01:05:57.720vaccines for their children. So we have to remember, Peter, that vaccines do not cause autism, vaccines
01:06:06.160actually cause adults. So one of the key things that I want to highlight for you, especially as you walk
01:06:17.000out of the room, is we're coming to the end of the decade of vaccines, the strategy from 2011 to 2020.
01:06:24.420We're in the process altogether of standing up a new strategy for the global community, for all of us,
01:06:30.540all countries, all partners, all initiatives. It's for all of the agencies, all of the CSOs, all of the
01:06:38.900community organizations and technical agencies. It's for everyone, both within immunizations and outside
01:06:46.740the immunization community. And I think this strategy has deeply heard that message and is really absorbing
01:06:53.260that. So we have launched draft zero of the document. I'll just highlight the flyer that's
01:07:01.200going around the World Health Assembly to indicate how you can get draft zero, how you can provide
01:07:07.300comments, input, and this will move on to a draft that will be more finalized in the fall and will be
01:07:17.360presented at WHA next year. So we will all be back here with a, I'm sure, a very robust discussion on
01:07:24.820that. We are leaning forward, especially on the behavioral insights on vaccine hesitancy. And we look
01:07:32.720forward to each of the convenings and the igniting of work around this area. And you will see us moving
01:07:41.920quite rapidly forward on some of these issues from WHO. So with that, I would like to thank you for
01:07:51.260being here. And I'm going to turn it over to three closing speakers, and then we'll let you go. So
01:07:57.000first, to Secretary Azar, please. Well, thank you all for being here today. And I'd like again to thank
01:08:05.820Commissioner Andrew Kytas and Minister Mandata for co-hosting this event. And Dr. O'Brien,
01:08:12.420thank you for moderating us on time and to the World Health Organization for naming vaccine
01:08:17.780hesitancy one of the top 10 global threats for 2019. We've enjoyed hearing from the diverse set
01:08:24.860of perspectives represented. We hope everybody's benefited from today's discussion. I hope that
01:08:29.780this exchange has inspired each of us to return to our work in our nations or at our international
01:08:34.420non-governmental or private organizations with a renewed sense of commitment to promoting
01:08:40.420vaccination. I want to highlight two particular areas for action going forward. First, we look
01:08:46.560forward to ongoing collaboration with all of you on the development of a new global vaccine action plan
01:08:51.740to follow the plan that concludes in 2020. Second, I encourage all of you to develop in-country
01:08:57.780strategies to elevate vaccination coverage with efforts that meet your country's unique needs and
01:09:02.980challenges. Today, I was particularly interested in to hear our discussion led by Dr. Tam and Dr.
01:09:09.680Berkeley about social media interventions that we could all be trying, in addition to the importance
01:09:15.600of modifying social norms as a means of increasing vaccination and thinking about behavioral economics as
01:09:23.740what influences people's behaviors. Back home, I'm committed to continue leading efforts across the U.S.
01:09:29.980government to raise vaccination rates within our own borders. I also encourage everyone to focus both our
01:09:36.240global and national work in this area on outcomes. This is an area where outcomes aren't so hard to track or
01:09:42.980understand. I think the gentleman from Nigeria focused our efforts around metrics, that what you measure is what you
01:09:49.080get. Are our vaccination rates high enough to keep our population safe? And are they going up or going down?
01:09:55.980Today, we are seeing unacceptable results on these measures, and I hope by the time we see each other
01:10:00.740next year, we will all have some positive outcomes to report. So thank you again for this productive
01:10:05.800discussion, and I look forward to ongoing cooperation with all of you.
01:10:08.980Let me now ask Commissioner Andrew Catis to give us some closing remarks.
01:10:20.600Thank you. Thank you so much. I have listened with great interest to these stimulating discussions, and in my five years, I saw a lot of people who were against vaccination, and then after some process, they changed their mind, being progressive and
01:10:37.740being in favor of vaccination. It means that progress is possible. And let me start by saying there's a strong level of expertise, of commitment, of political will here today encourage me and gives me hope.
01:10:51.500We have a lot of work to do, but with hard work comes high reward. Our citizens trust us as health care workers and health authorities to protect them from disease and infirmity. Immunization has to be a priority for our health systems, a fundamental part of primary health care, a crucial component of every health care package.
01:11:16.200And we need to work together to share learnings and best practice to coordinate and collaborate and combine our political effort.
01:11:24.800In this, it is with these goals in mind, the European Commission and the World Health Organization are organizing a global vaccination summit on 12th of September in Brussels.
01:11:37.300This summit aims to boost political commitment towards eliminating vaccine preventable diseases.
01:11:43.600It seeks to engage us, the political leaders, and identify opportunities for immediate impact on increasing vaccination coverage.
01:11:53.360I hope to see you all there in Brussels in September. Thank you.
01:11:58.060I see that DG, welcome. You have impeccable timing. We have just a few closing comments from the Minister of Health from Brazil, and then I'll turn it over to you, DG, to share your thoughts with us and close the session. So thank you.
01:12:21.860Well, thank you, our director, Dr. Tedros, for coming. And I'm sure that when you stand for vaccination, you have the total name and status of the World Health Organization.
01:12:51.860To call all the countries to call all the countries to come together. This is not a single country problem. This is not an easy problem.
01:13:00.820Although we say primary care, although we say primary care, we should call it high-complexity care, because this has something to do about how people think and how they receive the instructions of their parents and their physicians and everybody that works on vaccination and health systems.
01:13:22.700I'm sure that on the next year, I'm sure that on the next year, we might have many good works like the ones that were set here by Spain and other countries that I'm sure that can support other countries' initiatives.
01:13:37.180And Brazil is committed to raise our vaccination rates and urge to call all the international partners like PAHO to work in Venezuela and in countries that, on the region, that are having trouble to do their jobs inside their countries.
01:13:57.020So you may count on us, and we count on you to bring truth for people and have a good vaccination year.
01:14:05.460I just came from Memorial Service for Kofi Annan, and he used to tell us a story about excellencies, ladies and gentlemen.
01:14:21.480Thank you for allowing me to speak here today, even if I can only be here for a short time at the closing.
01:14:28.960Vaccines are one of the best investments in a healthier, safer world.
01:14:35.460Every year, we estimate that vaccines save at least 2 million lives.
01:14:40.460Countless more children avoid debilitating diseases, prolonged hospital stays, and time out of school, thanks to vaccines.
01:14:50.120Vaccines not only mean lives saved, they mean lives lived.
01:14:54.800They help children become healthy adults, but despite progress, more than 1 in 10 children around the world still do not have access to vaccines.
01:15:05.720Most unvaccinated children live in countries affected by poverty and conflict.
01:15:11.800They are in the most marginalized communities or places where health services do not yet reach.
01:15:17.400Recent measles outbreaks have occurred, even in countries where access is high, but where drops in immunization coverage have threatened hard-worn gains.
01:15:29.520No country can afford to be complacent about immunization.
01:15:33.720In some communities, vaccine hesitancy is intensifying.
01:15:37.320Some parents are delaying or refusing vaccination because they are not sure that vaccines are safe, or because they doubt the value of vaccines.
01:15:46.380We welcome initial steps taken by some social media companies to stop the spread of misinformation about vaccines.
01:15:55.540But this is not simply an issue that can be managed online.
01:16:00.240Governments, health workers, and health authorities have a vital role to play in building a systems that parents trust and believe in.
01:16:08.160Governments must invest in immunization and make sure primary care services are affordable, accessible, and responsive to parents' needs.
01:16:19.100Health workers must be empowered to be champions for vaccination so they can engage effectively with the parents and communities they serve.
01:16:27.460Education partners must work to strengthen basic scientific literacy and ensure people can interpret and understand information about their health and vaccines.
01:16:38.740And health authorities should undertake positive communication efforts so that people are engaged effectively on vaccines and the disease they prevent.
01:16:51.420To do our part, WHO, together with partners, Gavi, CET, and UNICEF, is working to ensure vaccines reach more people in more countries than ever before.
01:17:04.940We are proud to be part of a new hub for vaccine confidence and demand, which will generate critical evidence and recommendations in this area.
01:17:15.100And critically, we look forward to working on the new global vaccine strategy, which will be presented at the World Health Assembly next year.
01:17:24.200The new vision contained in this strategy must be much more flexible and innovative to address new challenges like vaccine hesitancy.
01:17:34.380And it must better tackle all challenges like inequality and lack of access and redouble the commitment to our collective goals.
01:17:42.540This will be critical for assuring that polio eradication is sustained, for getting measles goals back on track, and ensuring that everyone everywhere can benefit from vaccines.
01:17:55.240Vaccination is a right and a shared responsibility.
01:17:59.140It will take long-term efforts, political will, and continuous investment to ensure we are protected together.
01:18:05.560Because there can be no health for all without vaccines for all.
01:18:12.360And I join my friend Vitenis in inviting you to join us in September in Brussels.