Action4Canada - Title： International Court of Justice Ruling on Climate： Tactic to Incite Fear

00:00:00.000 so long so thank you everyone for popping in it's just it's a really special evening for us

00:00:14.840 tonight because michelle sterling is our special guest so we are so super super excited to have

00:00:21.940 her with us it is definitely an honor to have her and what i'll do is i'll just read out most

00:00:29.100 people are pretty familiar with michelle sterling and her work with friends of science for anybody

00:00:36.460 new i know we have a few new people who were popping on tonight when they saw the the little

00:00:41.820 invite go out but uh friends of science is an excellent excellent resource and we use that

00:00:49.760 resource at action for canada and uh intensely particularly right now as we prepare for the

00:00:57.020 municipal election coming up and uh before we close out i will share one of um the latest

00:01:04.160 publications that we use it's like almost like our bible and um so but i'll share that at the end

00:01:12.520 because i don't want to make anybody wait any longer for michelle so a quick bio here uh i asked michelle

00:01:20.740 to send over so i'll share it with you all michelle sterling is the communications manager for friends

00:01:28.400 of science society her background is in film television production advertising and marketing

00:01:36.980 she also worked for a short time at alberta environment she is also a blogger and columnist with the western

00:01:46.940 standard find out more about friends of science at www.friendsofscience.org

00:01:55.500 wonderful so michelle hello welcome thank you for hanging on while we worked my pleasure

00:02:03.040 some of these glitches it happens it happens thank you you're very kind so michelle without further

00:02:10.840 ado because i know everybody's quite excited to hear what you um will be sharing with us i've i've

00:02:17.340 shared in emails what some of the topics that we'd be covering so i know people are very excited so

00:02:23.040 without further ado we'll we'll let you you take take it over now okay thank you so much um so i was

00:02:30.180 asked to talk about a number of different things so i have kind of a potpourri shall we say um and i did

00:02:36.900 put together a powerpoint thinking that you know it's often nice to have a visual reference so i'll

00:02:43.140 make that available to you after and there are links there so you can go and read more about the

00:02:48.640 individual topics if you want so i'm just going to share my screen now and go through the powerpoint

00:02:58.800 so one of the things that i was asked to talk about is um climate court ruling so the

00:03:07.580 the young people of vanuatu which is a very tiny little island or set of islands out in the south

00:03:13.520 pacific uh went to the un general assembly a couple of years ago and asked for a ruling on

00:03:21.060 what are the obligations of countries on the climate crisis as they refer to it

00:03:27.400 and uh this is a climate justice issue so the un general assembly made a motion they referred it

00:03:36.260 to the international uh court of justice which is different than the international criminal court it's

00:03:42.080 a quite a different court but nonetheless after about a year and a half two years they came up with a

00:03:49.240 ruling recently um and the questions was how would that affect canada other you know issues in our

00:04:00.200 country in the long term so here you see uh one of the stories about these

00:04:05.800 um okay i can get that to go

00:04:10.760 there we go and here is an island of vanuatu i think it's called hideaway island uh now i'm getting

00:04:19.600 a note that my internet connection is unstable so it may waver in and out i hope not um and here's a

00:04:27.760 story in al jazeera talking about it this is before the ruling now you can see here how low this island

00:04:35.900 this is like a tiny little dot of land probably smaller than princess island park looks to me

00:04:43.880 out in the middle of the uh south pacific and they're concerned about um climate change causing

00:04:50.100 the ocean to rise so the theory of that is that you know that uh antarctica would melt that greenland

00:04:58.060 would melt that the sea sea ice up in the arctic would melt and that all of this would cause

00:05:04.060 the oceans to rise and presumably this is all caused by co2 um first of all last time i looked

00:05:12.680 heat rises it doesn't come down so you know we have some uh papers on our blog by professor wiss yim

00:05:21.140 who talks about the fact that under the ocean there's lots of geothermal activity and these hot plumes of

00:05:26.960 water float around and they do affect sea lake in the arctic because the arctic is big ice cube

00:05:37.080 floating um uh the arctic sea ice is a big ice cube floating on top of the arctic ocean it the difference

00:05:44.840 is that the land mass at the in antarctica is underneath the um ice there and there's something

00:05:52.900 like 91 volcanoes in one of the peninsulas in in antarctica so you can see that there are very

00:06:01.160 different scientific views on what's causing any ice melt but nonetheless the real story here is that

00:06:07.880 most of these islands are actually growing but they but they don't look like it um and we just issued

00:06:16.060 this press release which you can read later um the u.s rejects a global carbon tax because they wanted

00:06:23.600 to tax global shipping and we called the small pacific islands hypocrites because of their role in this

00:06:31.280 climate ruling in the international uh court of justice because the ruling is impressive but really

00:06:38.120 what is causing these islands to supposedly uh disappear well uh these are two different videos

00:06:46.120 done with dr john harper and he explains that erosion by the sea in the instance of these small islands

00:06:53.620 is really the problem so if you're living on the island and the sea is pounding away eroding your island

00:06:59.980 it looks it feels like sea level rise but it's erosion the other one is uh florida

00:07:07.360 and he talks about the fact that florida itself is uh made of calcium carbonate which actually

00:07:15.540 dissolves so you maybe have heard in florida that there are a number of sinkholes well that's because

00:07:21.800 of the nature of the or the constitution of the ground so you know these are very different reasons than

00:07:28.940 you hear in the press so these are two short videos you might want to look at and this is the reason

00:07:34.700 why we call them hypocrites because both the marshall islands and vanuatu have marine registries so if

00:07:42.420 you have a large container ship and you don't want any kind of liability on your country you put the

00:07:48.960 flag of one of these other countries on your ship and then if it goes aground somewhere you know people

00:07:55.640 will come for you but they'll come to an empty mailbox basically so and look how much pollution and

00:08:03.180 emissions these container ships put out one container ship puts out the pollution of 50 million cars

00:08:09.420 and a large container ship emits the carbon dioxide of 20 000 cars so that's pretty hypocritical now

00:08:17.220 regarding the legal case this is a blog by andrew roman who's a retired canadian lawyer and he's talking

00:08:25.400 here about a canadian court case on climate change but many of the principles in this are very

00:08:32.020 pertinent to the international criminal court and he also just published this article which is about

00:08:39.160 the youth climate trial that's going on in ontario and you may have heard of this there are seven young

00:08:45.040 people uh they started off when they were about 13 years old now they're like teenagers young adults

00:08:51.080 um so they've taken the ontario uh province to court because they canceled the cap and trade legislation there

00:09:00.120 this is led by eco justice we have on our blog a four-part series showing that actually the lead

00:09:08.760 um uh proponent of the uh youth climate case her mother sits on the board of we don't have time

00:09:19.840 with greta thunberg so they're obviously kind of a front for international um carbon trading if you

00:09:28.160 like like we don't have time is based in sweden so it's not even a canadian organization but here's

00:09:34.700 a key point that um there are some key points that andrew roman makes first of all he makes the point that

00:09:41.480 the paris agreement is not legally binding and there's no enforcement mechanism mechanism really the only

00:09:48.480 thing that countries agreed to was that every five years they would submit their nationally determined

00:09:53.620 contributions in a report and the report doesn't have to be anything special some people just fax in a

00:10:00.520 few pages apparently that's from a john stossel video but um we put in canada put in something like

00:10:09.100 188 page report i can send that link if you want to have a look at it but anyway he talks about the

00:10:16.020 mather case sofia mather is the young girl's name to summarize the first fatal flaw ontario's emissions

00:10:24.400 are globally insignificant there's no co2 wall around the province so you can see the illustration

00:10:31.340 there by which emissions reductions here could affect the local climate so the 99.7 percent of

00:10:39.300 emissions that might affect ontario's climate come from outside its borders and the canadian charter

00:10:45.420 cannot require the ontario government to solve a more rapidly problem to solve more rapidly a problem

00:10:53.400 that it cannot possibly control at all so doesn't mean that things won't go to court they will i'm sure

00:11:01.860 the environmental lawyers will have a field day in court with the icj advisory you know and again it was

00:11:08.500 just an advisement from the icj it was not a ruling um so now i wanted to switch topics a bit and just

00:11:17.440 let you know that canada is funding a number of climate change nudge units these are basically a

00:11:25.140 kind of psyop and this is one uh researcher who's quite well known she's at the uh university of british

00:11:32.580 columbia and they try to evaluate how people perceive climate change and then come up with ways

00:11:39.380 of manipulating your worldview to make you comply basically with with things that probably your

00:11:47.560 inner intuition is saying that doesn't make any sense that sounds really dumb why should i do it but

00:11:54.600 they come up with ways to try and make you comply and believe it or not you've probably heard lately

00:11:59.840 a lot of people talking about forest fires and climate change well they're spending way more

00:12:05.080 money on climate change behavior than they are on forest fire management or on forest management

00:12:14.020 so that this is one of the groups that's funding the woman i just referred to i think this is shocking

00:12:22.560 shocking waste of public funds and here's one of the manipulative things and you'll find that woman's

00:12:28.320 name in this cbc article cbc is also government funded so now they're trying to make you feel bad

00:12:35.760 for having a dog uh why because your dog is carnivore oh then they changed the story they said no no it's

00:12:43.480 an omnivore because it's okay to feed your dog fish or vegetable based uh food right anyways so look at

00:12:52.160 this poor little puppy they're trying to make you feel bad about that well actually having dogs cats

00:12:56.980 flights steaks or children you will not stop climate change if you stop having them so just enjoy life

00:13:04.860 because you can see in this chart here that china emits more than the rest of the world combined we're

00:13:10.920 way down here so you having a steak and your doggy having some steak with you even if you fly to paris to

00:13:19.260 have it it's uh you know you don't have to feel bad about it feel good here now i'm switching topics

00:13:26.720 again we're going now to the c40 cities you may have heard of them i did another presentation

00:13:33.160 called cities and green climate activism it's on our website on our youtube channel

00:13:38.180 but i'll just give you a brief overview the climateers decided that because cities have the

00:13:43.720 most concentration of people that the way to reduce uh carbon dioxide emissions and probably to tax them

00:13:52.120 also with your personal carbon ration which i guarantee is coming um manipulate the behavior of

00:14:00.780 people in cities and to institute policies to reduce your carbon footprint to about 2.9 tons co2

00:14:08.840 equivalent by 2030 so right now your carbon footprint is probably between 14 to 17 tons co2 equivalent

00:14:17.620 uh as a canadian they want to reduce it to almost nothing and you can see in the illustration here

00:14:25.040 people are riding bikes they're walking they're driving an electric vehicle obviously and an electric bus

00:14:31.040 right um so it's because of the concentration of population that they feel that uh cities have the

00:14:38.620 most influence this is a bit more about the c40 cities i won't read it all but you can see

00:14:44.700 they're kind of all on board with this uh and this book was written by the mayor former mayor of

00:14:52.180 toronto solved he thinks that um cities can solve this they but the title assumes that there's a climate

00:15:00.980 crisis it assumes it can be fixed it assumes that no vote or public debate on the matter is required

00:15:07.140 and it assumes that cities have a mandate to address climate and they do not their job is to deal

00:15:13.720 with city administration of necessary public services you know roads water sewage and why ev buses for

00:15:23.240 cities well we have this report by robert lyman on our blog and he points out that a brand new diesel

00:15:29.100 powered bus costs 500 000 in canada it's a lot but it's half of what most transit systems now pay for

00:15:36.540 all electric buses and he said the problems are there's frequent breakdowns um there's a limitation

00:15:43.840 on the range the charging requires multiple hours and multiple sites buses can only be operated on

00:15:50.920 certain carefully selected routes like if the street is too steep they often can't make it up the road

00:15:57.800 um electric bus performance worsens considerably in extreme cold or hot and electric buses have

00:16:06.900 difficulty with battery powered heating so or cooling so sometimes they have to have some kind of a little

00:16:12.320 little generator to run the ac um and electric bus advocates fail to evaluate the costs and extent

00:16:21.100 of electric utility upgrades needed to accommodate them so just to give you a bit more insight

00:16:27.180 like for instance n max has said if there are more than three electric vehicles on a

00:16:32.980 conventional calgary street uh they cannot all charge at the same time or it might crash the system

00:16:41.360 so that means that all of the distribution um lines in your neighborhood which are either buried or you see

00:16:51.900 them up on the telephone poles or on the power poles these would have to be upgraded the transformers at

00:16:59.840 the end of your block you know those little round kind of containers that are up on top of a power

00:17:05.600 uh pole or the transformers that are on the ground those things that hum when you go by they would have

00:17:11.780 to be upgraded to manage all of this ev charging uh so this is very very expensive and you have to wonder

00:17:21.720 what why would calgary buy electric buses when they already knew that the electric bus effort in edmonton

00:17:28.200 was a huge failure well obviously there's some other factor in the background that's driving this

00:17:34.260 part of it is certainly this uh c40 and c100 cities but i think it's also the unpri this is a transnational

00:17:45.080 unelected unaccountable organization that has about a thousand signatories they are mostly asset managers

00:17:53.820 pension funds and uh such like and so pension funds i think is the key word there uh probably city pension

00:18:03.200 funds are invested in one way or another through mutual funds directly i don't know but probably

00:18:11.280 they have made these investments um in an effort to sort of as a group create a new um enterprise that

00:18:20.420 that they presume would solve certain problems they as they perceive them in cities one of those problems

00:18:26.160 would be like air pollution except air pollution has really gone down dramatically in the past decade

00:18:33.020 because of the um fuel standards for cars so um you know these become kind of green

00:18:41.180 crony capitalist projects that these guys are all jumping on board and and citizens are not even being

00:18:49.660 asked about a lot of this stuff but there's good news i'm changing topics again here this is in the u.s

00:18:56.960 the u.s republican house judiciary committee has done a lot of research for the past three years they've

00:19:05.820 gone through millions of documents they've done hundreds of hours of testimony with various people

00:19:11.960 including our present prime minister mr carney uh and they found what they call a climate cartel

00:19:19.020 and they claim that the climate cartel has declared war on the american way of life and so they have a

00:19:25.180 number of these asset managers they have certain shareholder organizations lots of engos um banks

00:19:32.780 financial institutes the groups like g fans the glasgow financial alliance for net zero

00:19:40.120 these groups have been collaborating companies to get into a net zero track now this may be legal in

00:19:51.240 other parts of the world but apparently in the u.s it's an antitrust violation and it comes with

00:19:56.880 potential jail terms and hundreds of millions of dollars in fines so all of the banks have recently

00:20:03.260 pulled out of a lot of these organizations and in fact blackrock which you may have heard of which is a

00:20:10.880 huge asset manager one of the biggest i think it's the biggest in the world is being sued by a number of

00:20:16.740 attorneys general in the united states over actions related to this so i recommend that you read this

00:20:24.120 it's it's not very long and it's quite plain language i think you'll recognize a lot of weird

00:20:28.960 things that are happening in your world are related to this document and these groups

00:20:33.660 and there's more good news this again is from the united states the u.s department of energy put

00:20:41.460 together a new climate science report it's uh much more even-handed and not scary much more down to

00:20:49.860 earth and rational and it's really opened up the climate debate now of course on the alarmist side

00:20:57.720 of things people are freaked out they're horrified that this was ever published they're planning on

00:21:03.600 suing them and on and on and on but just the fact that this exists it opened the debate it's about

00:21:10.080 150 pages about 50 pages of that is footnotes so again it's quite readable there's some sciencey stuff

00:21:17.920 in there that you know even though i've been exposed to this for a long time i was kind of like

00:21:23.300 okay but most of it anyone can read and understand and um i think this cartoon by josh which was not made for

00:21:33.040 this report but i think it summarizes quite well the um information that's in the report uh it's not a

00:21:41.300 catastrophe and um i wanted to warn you because you will be uh getting indoctrinated the

00:21:52.380 federal government has decided they're going to spend

00:21:55.840 indoctrinating young people and they also are planning to do things east west power grid

00:22:04.440 which they keep saying would be cheaper and more efficient and what a wonderful thing it would be

00:22:11.180 just remember if it sounds too good to be true it probably is and this is another cartoon by josh

00:22:17.740 and he's talking about the um my internet connection is unstable okay he's talking about the great german

00:22:25.640 energy swindle now when they started going to renewables in germany they said oh well electricity

00:22:31.560 will only cost one scoop of ice cream extra a month and now ice cream there has gone up four times

00:22:40.200 the cost and so now the greens are all claiming no we need price control so that everybody can afford

00:22:46.440 to buy ice cream well it's because they've gone so far into renewables it's literally bankrupting

00:22:52.980 germany it's really a tragedy germany is the sick man of europe and it probably could bring down the

00:22:59.500 whole economy and i wanted to invite you to have a look at our climate change 101 this is a subset of

00:23:08.320 our website our main website was really put together for a lot of scientific people scientific people

00:23:15.500 really enjoy it because we've got a long history a big catalog of material over time

00:23:21.340 um this one's more visually friendly it's more plain language and there's lots of material there and one

00:23:29.540 of the things i think is really important is we make the point that rational dissent is your right

00:23:35.340 so you know don't be afraid to speak up even if people start calling you names like denier or whatever

00:23:41.960 you have a right to dissent you have a right to debate these issues and finally i hope that you

00:23:49.540 will be able to join us on september the 25th in calgary we have an in-person event or live stream

00:23:56.380 and there's early bird pricing on until september 10th we're going to have dr joseph fournier who's

00:24:03.100 a wonderful young scientist and rancher lives not too far from calgary all the details are on our

00:24:09.200 website at the ticketing site he's going to talk about food prices farming and net zero ideology

00:24:15.080 and as most people know no farmers no food so uh that's also all connected to all the things i just

00:24:26.220 talked about like the climate cartel and the war in the american way of life so anyway i hope you can

00:24:32.420 join us and i'm going to wrap up right there thank you

00:24:35.500 excellent michelle thank you i'm just getting something out of the way here excellent as always

00:24:49.600 michelle thank you so much for the information i i know it's a lot for you to put together

00:24:54.840 as well there's been a lot happening in the last month even uh you know these rulings coming out

00:25:03.580 and what's coming out of the u.s so it's it's almost for a little while there it was you know

00:25:09.260 weekly there was something new happening so we appreciate you condensing it down for us so we

00:25:15.280 really really appreciate it and again i'll say to everybody who is on if you have any questions

00:25:20.860 please go to um the chat and then just type it in and i'm watching there for anything that comes

00:25:28.200 through so while i do that michelle this i felt was really really important i i did see this and it

00:25:37.240 came across my desk about the international court of justice now is that that's i'm using the right

00:25:44.780 terminology there yeah yes and their advisor international career just yeah it's an advisor

00:25:51.860 yeah and when i saw that just right right away i i thought and i shared with the group just a little

00:25:59.500 bit i i i didn't get too in depth about it but i will share a link for the group too in a in an email

00:26:05.580 after this about that decision and right away i thought you know what i bet those um you know

00:26:13.180 environmentalists are going to be pushing this international court decision and using it as a

00:26:20.180 way to you know can you know continue down this green path and um i think you probably agree with that too

00:26:28.180 by the sound of it um yes that's very true and uh let me just step back in canada um

00:26:37.420 in uh the greenhouse gas uh cases where alberta argued about the constitutionality of imposing a carbon tax

00:26:50.680 uh the case accepted the notion that climate change is essential threat but this was in what's called

00:27:02.680 the orbita dicta which is the kind of uh preamble to the actual court decision so wasn't the ratio

00:27:13.380 dissidenti uh and we have a little video on our website that addresses the fact now if it was part of the

00:27:22.640 oh my internet is unstable if it was part of the ratio dissidenti oh okay if it was part of the ratio

00:27:32.880 dissidenti i hope i'm pronouncing that close correctly um then that would make it part of the court ruling

00:27:39.120 but because it was part of the orbita dicta um that's just the preamble but all these lawyers

00:27:45.640 environmental lawyers and environmental groups they keep claiming that yes in canada climate science

00:27:52.180 and climate change have been uh proven in court that's not true climate change climate science has

00:28:00.160 never been proven in court or taken to court in canada other than dr tim ball's case but that was

00:28:07.080 something different but you know so they're misleading you by using that um small little

00:28:15.840 phrase that the judge employed in his uh as if as if that's a court judgment and so they're going to

00:28:25.860 do the same thing with this icj and you already see it you know they're saying oh well there was a

00:28:31.460 you know icj ruling they often will slip in terminology that's not correct it was not a ruling it was just an

00:28:39.860 advisement and as um retired lawyer andrew roman showed in the material i showed you you know you

00:28:48.840 can't enforce this ruling because if you might come to canada and say hey you guys have to reduce your

00:28:55.420 emissions because we're going to die but you can't prove that if china is emitting more than the rest of

00:29:04.240 the world then you know and people will say on the soft side they'll say well you know somebody has to

00:29:11.960 be a leader if we're a leader then people will follow yeah no they won't nobody's following us so uh

00:29:20.660 you know we're just being inundated with these like i said behavioral modifications these psyops that

00:29:28.260 your government is using your tax money to pay for to manipulate how you evaluate climate change policy

00:29:35.940 so i think that that's really disgusting you know it really should be an open rational debate you

00:29:43.260 should be able to see the cost benefit analysis and uh i see that ron davison is on our president

00:29:49.900 uh ron has done a lot of this discussion in his net zero presentation that's on our youtube channel

00:29:57.700 so that was our presentation back in march um and if you haven't seen it um he's co-author of this

00:30:07.380 booklet it's like 88 pages long it's very handy very colorful straight to the point um and you know

00:30:16.900 this really gives you the facts on climate change and also some cost benefit analysis so that you can say

00:30:23.320 wait a minute you know for me not having a dog what's the benefit you know to the climate right

00:30:32.820 i know that i'll miss my dog so you know you're telling me that i should like rip out my heart

00:30:40.560 for your crazy climate policies so that everyone has to drive an ev you know this will help you make

00:30:47.100 better arguments and make better decisions for yourself as well anyway i kind of ranted on there

00:30:53.600 sorry you know michelle that is just fine no we appreciate it we appreciate it um you know one of

00:31:00.020 the reasons why um action for candidates you know started this speak up group was to empower the people

00:31:08.180 with the information and i know that friends of science is probably thinking okay it's about time

00:31:15.280 because we've been around for 22 plus years right saying these things and trying to like drive it

00:31:20.840 home what you know what uh this yeah this whole climate uh emergency right apparent emergency so

00:31:28.740 no we appreciate it because as uh tanya ga who is the head of action for canada says and she'll often

00:31:35.640 repeat you know a lot of the same talking points when she does interviews or or sharing information for

00:31:41.960 her weekly updates but the more you hear it right the more you'll be able to verbally you know speak

00:31:49.020 comfortably about it and so that that is part of our goal is to to empower the people who come on here

00:31:55.680 so that they can speak uh to these topics and know that they are um doing it with and using well

00:32:04.660 researched information um for friends of science so no don't ever worry about rambling because often

00:32:11.120 i'm the rambler so it's good to have someone else okay um i did want to show everybody this some

00:32:18.040 people may have seen this before this is this is um uh chart of computer simulations known as the

00:32:27.560 representative concentration pathways so there's a number of different inputs that are put into these

00:32:33.700 simulations um simulations but the main principle is to try and figure out what is the outcome of

00:32:41.120 adding more carbon dioxide related activities or carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere

00:32:47.620 so what's happened is that this one here rcp 8.5 has become known as the business as usual case

00:32:57.480 so the bank of canada uses it the infrastructure canada uses it so if you're a municipality and you want

00:33:05.420 to apply for building a bridge or something like that you have to use this scenario as the basis for

00:33:11.520 your calculations this is an implausible scenario this is where the uh claim of a climate emergency

00:33:19.440 comes from if you take that away you can see there's no emergency and this one is also quite implausible

00:33:28.000 and when uh roger plk jr made this chart this is 2017 he said we were here when catherine hayhoe who's

00:33:37.680 quite a well-known climate scientist uses this chart she always uses this one and says look at that

00:33:44.920 you know this is where we're headed we're all gonna die but roger plk said actually we're on the 4.5 track

00:33:53.660 and in fact most recently it was reported that we're even below these kind of emission levels

00:33:59.820 i think that was the ipcc that reported that i'd have to check but it was on his uh substack

00:34:07.060 so the point is that they've been using this computer simulation you know garbage in garbage out

00:34:14.520 and uh it became very popular with researchers roger plk jr on his uh x feed is constantly posting how

00:34:25.800 many research papers came out this week that all rely on this as their baseline

00:34:31.640 and it's hundreds of them hundreds of them but because there's a wider separation uh researchers like

00:34:40.560 to use it because then it proves their case like oh it's catastrophic um you know i i mean if it

00:34:48.480 bleeds it leads in the newspaper industry so they know they're going to get more attention if they come

00:34:54.220 up with a catastrophic scenario than if they say hey everybody we're okay we're fine so absolutely

00:35:03.240 absolutely absolutely thank you michelle again for that now just touching on another item that you

00:35:09.560 were talking about um so that's the international court of justice and their advisory um opinion i guess

00:35:16.140 on climate um and that part of that too michelle and we won't dwell much longer on this but it's it's

00:35:22.980 basically also has to do with the reparations that that developed countries are then supposed to pay to

00:35:28.940 to the underdeveloped countries too there's part of that all in there too isn't it kind of involved

00:35:34.400 yes yeah so people can go on i'll send out a link uh just in regard to that like the news item that came

00:35:40.920 across my desk and and the people can look look closer into that as well excellent and that's also

00:35:48.120 something that was set up at the last uh cop conference that means the conference of the parties

00:35:53.680 and those are the parties signatory to the united nations framework convention on climate change

00:35:59.300 it was established back in about 1992 94 um anyway this idea of the industrialized north

00:36:09.620 uh paying rations to the underdeveloped south because of all the climate damage we supposedly have done

00:36:20.460 um and uh that damage has yet to be proven excuse me but that's why this court ruling or advisory

00:36:30.380 is so important because they're going to try and use that as the lever exactly and it's a it's a

00:36:36.600 uh absolutely astronomical amount of money too that's being supposedly supposed to be paid out

00:36:43.100 as well um trillions of dollars trillions mm-hmm yes and yes yeah absolutely okay so we'll that's um

00:36:53.600 we'll move on to the other little question here that i had on another part of your your um presentation

00:36:59.160 um the ruling so it was in the united states so just give a little bit of background not too too too much

00:37:08.740 but there was an endangerment finding of co2 in the united states right now i'm not sure if that was

00:37:16.860 under the biden administration or one before not that it matters too much so it was an endangerment

00:37:21.680 finding but co2 was a danger is that kind of the right wording there yes and so what's happened is back

00:37:32.080 in 2009 it was under obama the um environmental protection agency made what is known as the

00:37:42.660 endangerment finding that um co2 and other greenhouse gases are a danger to human life therefore effectively

00:37:52.460 toxic and this is how they began uh the process of instituting all these climate regulations

00:38:01.240 um against any you know large emitter or or cars trucks anything that emits they started imposing

00:38:09.780 more and more regulations now the new administration is looking at this endangerment finding from

00:38:18.000 both a legal and scientific perspective and they found on one hand that the epa as it's called the

00:38:27.060 environmental protection agency didn't really have the legal right to make such a ruling

00:38:33.020 and also the science as i showed you that new uh doe department of energy report shows that

00:38:42.560 you know there is almost no effect of any significance from emissions for example part of that report

00:38:52.560 evaluated evaluated the emissions of all the cars and trucks in the united states if they phase them all

00:39:00.340 out in favor of evs um it might have a difference of a day or two of emissions warming a hundred years

00:39:11.060 from now something like that you know that so it's it's negligible it's meaningless so if you look at that

00:39:17.820 in the context of evs for canada we're one-tenth the size of the u.s market so if their emissions would

00:39:26.040 be meaningless in the context of global warming um for vehicle use ours would even be more immeasurable

00:39:33.480 so anyway in canada we also have something similar to the endangerment finding back in 2005

00:39:42.100 um elizabeth may was the executive director of the sierra club and they received a grant for about a

00:39:49.940 quarter of a million dollars i believe it was from the oak foundation out of switzerland so foreign

00:39:56.060 funding to uh the purpose of the grant was to have greenhouse gases declared pollutants so effectively

00:40:04.260 elizabeth may and sierra club are why we have been paying a carbon tax and why we have these you know

00:40:11.920 onerous climate policies um so we have other material related to that if you want to look at it

00:40:19.340 but we predated them that was i think around 2005 they got the money and i think it came into

00:40:25.580 legislation by around 2007 well there you go yes from what i understand then just uh kind of a little

00:40:34.560 recap of that is that it was the endangerment finding in the u.s that was the basis for the ev mandates

00:40:41.020 for example yep using that that information and going with that so that it really is something

00:40:46.820 huge um happening out of the u.s um so we'll see what comes of it i mean generally you know we say

00:40:56.620 you know kind of watch what's happening down there and eventually might come here so

00:41:00.520 our fingers crossed that would be nice but um but anyway well and you have to realize you know

00:41:07.500 canada sells about 60 billion dollars in uh vehicles and auto parts to the united states every year it's

00:41:15.300 a huge chunk of our uh national revenue yes but you know the auto industry is now kind of a

00:41:26.060 multi-faceted multi-country industry where they might make the tailpipe here and the rest of the

00:41:30.820 exhaust assembly over there and then they go back and forth across the border a few times for different

00:41:36.520 processes so you can see that if the u.s repeals the epa endangerment finding that could destroy

00:41:46.800 the auto industry in canada especially if we remain stuck on this ev mandate exactly and speaking of

00:41:54.360 that michelle the ev mandates uh uh just listening and reading up on a few things i mean that's just

00:42:00.140 right around the corner of the start of the the federal regulations on the ev mandates correct

00:42:05.340 yeah well by 2035 i believe that 100 of the vehicles sold are supposed to be evs so that could include

00:42:13.940 you know it could include hybrids but they're trying to push the battery electric vehicles and

00:42:21.060 you know the we have a video on our website we have a long one and a short one um where we show that

00:42:29.900 you know that all of the uh five auto manufacturers ceos it back in may were begging prime minister

00:42:39.120 carney to repeal this mandate he said it's just not possible to do um and he's not repealing it so far

00:42:50.180 right oh it's funny when you look at the press of course all the people who are promoting it

00:42:55.240 like the canadian climate institute for instance it's funded 79.76 by government so all the people

00:43:04.260 who are promoting the ev mandate out there i'm an independent think tank no they're all funded by

00:43:10.600 government by your money again they're trying to coerce you into a policy that nobody wants and is

00:43:17.420 not realistic yes yes and i know they're if they're bringing it it in incrementally and um i believe

00:43:23.320 it's actually something soon um you know within is it the by the end of this year or next but you know

00:43:31.300 20 percent has to be you know sold off a lot has to be yes the evs and then increments a little more

00:43:37.740 a little bit a little bit more so it's it's starting right and yeah right around the corner yeah

00:43:42.620 absolutely so yeah and even those lower mandates cannot be met right yes yeah absolutely absolutely

00:43:52.300 um we we focus a lot in our group on the you know the evs um particularly the you know what's

00:44:01.720 happening in the city of calvary that's our main focus um so yeah we focus on these things a great

00:44:07.200 great deal um but we appreciate the reinforcement and all the other bits of information that you've

00:44:17.500 given us here that we can then use and implement in some of the um conversations that we'll be having

00:44:25.760 with um those looking to be elected here uh within the city of calgary so we appreciate your work

00:44:34.380 uh michelle we appreciate you coming on with us i'm not seeing any more um questions coming in

00:44:41.540 um so before i let michelle go if you had something just type something in quick um but again um michelle

00:44:48.120 thank you so so much and thank you for sharing uh this great event coming up to anybody um who has not

00:44:56.580 attended one of the events with friends of science you definitely need to go and check it out and i would

00:45:04.240 definitely recommend supporting friends of science you can become a member right michelle

00:45:09.100 that's right yeah anyone can become a member you can just go on our main website and there's a join

00:45:15.260 or donate button at the top of the page and just click on whichever you prefer and join us it's forty

00:45:23.080 dollars a year or eighty dollars for three years and then you'll get our newsletters and our

00:45:30.640 cli sci and extracts both of which sort of are a summary of recent events or papers uh extracts tends to

00:45:40.340 look more at the political issues the policy issues on climate science and cli sci looks more at the

00:45:48.800 actual scientific material and those are done uh bi-weekly by our team or sorry bi-monthly by our team

00:45:57.780 except in the summer they take a week off so uh and then we have quarterly newsletters and there are

00:46:04.460 some discounts on our events so you know uh we're a very small organization our purpose is to try and

00:46:11.720 get more material to people who can then get more material to people absolutely 100 so i would highly

00:46:19.120 highly recommend um everybody just following uh friends of science you guys are even on uh twitter x i believe

00:46:27.320 it is yep so um follow them there as well and for anybody who has not uh purchased this book yet we

00:46:35.180 will be also sharing these um as far as wide as we can with those who are looking uh you know to to get

00:46:42.140 elected as well so that they can have um some you know real data uh in their hands and this is canadian

00:46:48.440 data so that's uh very very important i know myself when i started really paying attention to

00:46:55.040 this a lot of the data came out of the u.s and i always right okay i want to have some you know

00:47:00.000 canadian numbers and it was just like you heard me and then not too long this came out so it was

00:47:06.480 absolutely fabulous so we're using it yeah it's uh um near and dear to us as we do our research and

00:47:13.440 prepare uh for the upcoming elections so thank you michelle so very much so it doesn't appear that

00:47:21.080 we have um any more questions coming in michelle so we have recorded this and we plan to make it

00:47:28.100 available to everyone um you've shared so uh much great material here i think you know it may take a

00:47:36.240 couple watch throughs uh you know to really absorb it all so that's what i would like for our folks

00:47:41.200 and michelle has also shared um a powerpoint with us as well which i understand has clickable links

00:47:48.760 in it michelle right yes perfect perfect yes so we can all go and we're all very familiar with

00:47:54.860 going down the rabbit holes we talk about that often so amazing okay well to everyone thank you

00:48:01.960 michelle for coming on and joining us and putting up with our little um technological glitch there

00:48:07.580 and thank you everyone else for popping on and what is um another beautiful evening at least where

00:48:13.540 i am so thank you for taking time once again out of your beautiful summer to come and focus on such

00:48:20.000 an important topic as we prepare for the election coming up here in the fall okay so with that i think

00:48:27.520 i see no other questions coming in i see some thank yous michelle thank you for all your great

00:48:32.560 information um yes and so yeah it looks like most are going to be signing off here as well so

00:48:37.920 thank you michelle okay thank you to our members and we will be in touch

00:48:43.240 okay

Action4Canada - August 29, 2025

Title： International Court of Justice Ruling on Climate： Tactic to Incite Fear

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