Adin Live - Adin Ross Confronts Kick Owner Eddie…

00:00:00.000 hey one dollar an hour is probably better than no dollars per hour um that that's the cool thing

00:00:06.180 yo kbb yo aiden how you doing hey then it's good yeah yeah yeah i got you

00:00:15.840 oh wait hold on a second

00:00:21.420 i literally just woke up that's true no energy by the way congratulations that was awesome

00:00:28.360 thank you i made uh i made a happy meal from it

00:00:32.600 no seriously how much did you get i made less than uh i think my game night

00:00:39.320 wait it's all good bro it's the new the new update right

00:00:42.920 we're working we're working on on trying to like get in a in a in a good good spot but i think um

00:00:53.140 there's work to be done that's what we've been talking about on this stream as well we're like

00:00:56.680 we've got to do better we're going to do better but i think we're like headed in the right direction

00:01:00.680 is is kind of like the the the the like the understanding at the moment where's your head

00:01:07.300 oh my opinion i mean i told me we talked on call about it i think i think the kpp is out there i

00:01:12.900 think nowadays with streaming it's clipping everything's inflated and bod let's be real

00:01:16.520 everything's inflated it's not just cake it's on twitch youtube everything right so it's like

00:01:20.560 even record labels music right so i feel like let kpp be judged off of like a someone who can

00:01:26.100 rate content see how viral it goes with impact on clips and see how it goes where community feedback

00:01:32.700 i feel like that's kind of the way that things should move on and i feel like anybody that's on

00:01:36.560 a kit contract getting paid an hourly it should be a clip completely limited right i feel like the

00:01:40.700 reason with twitch why kick is so great is there's no favoritism right i feel we got to get rid of all

00:01:44.900 favoritism we got to be consistent with every single creator no creator should be on an hourly

00:01:47.980 uh rate i think everyone should be on kpp that's the way it's going right now so i think yeah

00:01:54.240 hourly rates so when we first started kick i think everyone was on hourly rates and that was bad right

00:01:58.400 right would you agree right yeah well i agree because like it's not really that was like a sad sad

00:02:05.700 moment for live streaming in general when we had like i don't want to name names but like some really

00:02:09.640 good content creators get like that hourly rate and and you saw what happened yeah you get lazy

00:02:14.800 yeah i know trust me i know but what i'm saying is like there's still people on hourly rates right

00:02:20.720 so i feel like everything needs to be cut like i was recently on one right not not not for a while

00:02:24.880 but i was on one recently so i feel like every single hourly rate needs to be cut and everyone

00:02:28.800 needs to be on the kpp so everyone can be incentivized to stream because i agree the hourly rates were not

00:02:33.860 good it made creators like myself lazy it made other creators lazy i'm not gonna speak for anyone else

00:02:38.200 but myself but it does make people lazy right i think kpp is really really good but i love the concept

00:02:43.060 of it and i think it incentivizes people to actually lock in and try like in july i remember i was going

00:02:47.720 to london i was doing this i was doing fat cam i was doing all this and it made me like like this

00:02:52.180 kpp is going crazy it's making me want to go crazy and do crazy streams but when you give a fix hourly

00:02:57.200 someone might sit there and play with their toes and finger their butthole all stream and they get paid

00:03:01.200 the same amount of money they would if they had lebron james on stream so i think the kpp is an amazing

00:03:05.480 concept that's why i'm a huge fan of it yeah i like the idea that you mentioned before about like having

00:03:10.660 some sort of like um rating system like i don't know how that could work exactly but like yeah if

00:03:16.840 you almost had i don't know again it's a difficult problem but if there was like a set list of people

00:03:24.940 that were like trusted authorities for rating streams because i'll be right like at the end of the day

00:03:29.660 like you could say have a thousand viewers let's say someone has a thousand viewers right and they're

00:03:35.100 they're say playing playing warzone or they're they're stargazing or whatever you know you want

00:03:41.280 to use as an example of maybe not like incredibly high production sort of or expensive content and then

00:03:49.940 you've got say like yeah you're streaming lebron james he's still a thousand viewers like that

00:03:53.340 obviously maybe should be different right like if you've gone because again nothing against stargazing

00:03:59.500 nothing against warzone but i mean if you know the effort to create like an insane stream and you still

00:04:04.120 want a thousand viewers like yeah again how do you how do you how do you sort of rate that right

00:04:08.620 well well that was my that was my analogy right i said i could sit there with sweater and marky and

00:04:13.100 sit there look at the stars and make just as much money if not more you know you know what i mean so

00:04:17.860 that was my analogy there been having like tekashi 69 or like a playboy cardi on stream and i can make

00:04:22.400 way less so that's kind of what i was thinking whether on on twitch because twitch already has like a

00:04:27.540 mainstream algorithm right if i go to twitch and i spam a bunch of 180s which nobody wants to watch

00:04:31.540 fucking ads let's be real nobody likes watching ads that's why kick is that's why i love kick

00:04:35.700 obviously because nobody likes ads so when you go on twitch and you spam a bunch of 180s it'll

00:04:40.680 incentivize streamers to lock excuse me lock in do subathons and stuff like that because they're

00:04:46.280 solely eating off of doing content that's incentivized off of that or on twitch because

00:04:51.120 you get the mainstream growth you get the eyes you get the algorithm and all that stuff but the ads

00:04:55.900 it's unwatchable nobody i would never i don't want everyone to run ads ever again i mean

00:05:00.140 that's all you know kick is that's the reason why i love it i know eventually kick will have ads but

00:05:04.440 even if even if kick or ads were to be on kick i would still never want to run ads but i think like

00:05:09.160 you're you're right it's hard to find like a trust factor system uh someone who could rate the streams

00:05:14.340 and and give like an extra boost um but for me because you know we spoke internally about it like for me

00:05:20.340 brand risk i made i made less and you told me i should have made more and i had to be manually adjusted

00:05:24.820 so if there's something that manually needs to be adjusted from you or or keel or or or andrew over

00:05:30.260 here i feel like there needs to be a system in place because it's outdated right like i shouldn't

00:05:33.960 have to hit you manually be like yo eddie brand risk oh you have this amount of authentic like viewers

00:05:38.460 and you made this much i have to adjust it it never got adjusted so i feel like there needs to be an

00:05:42.780 internal system to adjust um maybe it's ai maybe it's a trusted team i don't know but i feel like

00:05:47.880 that's missing you know yeah i think i i must say so like again we're speaking openly here we're

00:05:53.680 trying to understand a bit more about kvp so there is a concept around kvp and i've explained this to

00:05:57.840 you right aiden um is is so like what we have is we we basically take the last 30 days generally

00:06:04.520 like an average right and then we've got a protection if if you go say above like you know

00:06:10.340 a certain multiplier on your average we go okay hold on this is a little bit suspicious and we it's

00:06:14.960 like protections right because obviously if if kvp which pays out based upon its its understanding

00:06:20.640 of authentic viewers if there was no cap on it like basically what ends up happening is someone

00:06:25.080 could find a way to somehow trick the system into having like a million viewers get paid like multiple

00:06:29.320 millions of dollars or whatever it is right so we put together a few little protections in place

00:06:33.100 which i've discussed you know i think we're going to change that and make it much more um you know much

00:06:37.860 less strict because yeah right now if if you say average 100 viewers and then you get 500 viewers

00:06:44.900 the system goes oh that that's a big big difference and it starts to like penalize you

00:06:50.080 right which i think is wrong i think we need to fix that up that's a legacy way of working right

00:06:53.900 we kind of assume that like all streamers like if you're getting like 100 viewers average you're

00:06:58.140 never going to really change that and it'll just like slowly increase but the reality is sometimes

00:07:02.140 you want to just play warzone and play a really chill stream which is fun but then some days you want

00:07:06.780 to you know link up with takashi 69 right and and obviously that means you're going to have like

00:07:11.800 this situation where you go from here to here and you know you shouldn't be negatively affected so

00:07:15.920 i think that's something we can work on i must say it's not just like you saying that right now

00:07:20.500 it's not just us having this conversation even like internally like a lot of the the kick staff

00:07:24.820 that work with the partners across the english market the spanish market all the turkish markets

00:07:28.640 everything they also have the same feedback so we're gonna we're gonna have to fix that up

00:07:32.300 i think you know kvp needs to be an evolving process like it needs to like basically evolve and

00:07:37.040 continue to incentivize good streams because like you said before yeah there was a moment there for

00:07:41.540 a while right where where where you were like heavy locked in right like how do we get you like

00:07:47.220 you as an example back to that that mindset honestly bro like i've been having fun lately in my past couple

00:07:52.920 weeks um but honestly bro like the locked in part in july for example i mean look at my kvp i was doing

00:07:58.160 events i was like oh my god like this is actually going crazy even if obviously there's bots in there

00:08:02.640 which there is inflation right you can still look at it like okay there might be inflation here but

00:08:07.280 then you guys had a path where you're like okay let's go let's let's let's let's tune down the

00:08:10.940 inflation let's make kvp look even more real then i was making 30 40 a stream i'm like okay if i do a

00:08:16.140 banger i can make 50 60 bet i'm gonna do more bangers but here's the issue i have and you just said that

00:08:21.200 it's a strict system you're basing on a 30-day process right lebron james can't come in and drop 50

00:08:26.000 points every game i can't do a stream with six nine every day i can't go do a stream with a rapper every day

00:08:32.100 or an athlete every day right so my point is you're right if i want to go do a war zone whatever

00:08:36.100 i could i could have fun do war zone but when my kpp drops from here to here and you're telling me

00:08:41.140 aiden and akil's telling me aiden after this stream i'm going to manually adjust you and make and give

00:08:45.320 you two more because you did get more viewers it's just our system that's blocking it that's like okay

00:08:49.820 so and you're you you even you pulled up my brand risk and you told me how much authentic viewers i

00:08:54.180 had in there and you're like yo you should have gotten 50 more and you didn't i still never got received

00:08:59.560 what i was supposed to get what you told me right and i know that's confident conversation but i'm

00:09:03.620 open about it i don't care you can talk about my authentic viewers what's real what's fake i don't

00:09:07.260 give a fuck people know but what i'm trying to get at you is to incentivize people you need to have a

00:09:12.800 system in place we need to have a system in place excuse me because i am team kick obviously we need

00:09:17.460 to have a system in place where we can all be like okay we shouldn't do have it should be manual

00:09:21.840 should be auto we should have a team to make people want to be locked in and want to be incentivized

00:09:25.820 now eddie i always give you your props and flowers on like brand risk for example you were the first

00:09:30.320 person like yo this is fire money money money put on a great event boom um um we were talking about

00:09:35.280 a kid creator show same thing so i will i will always give you your flowers on ips you help me

00:09:40.120 with those epic there's just things that you've always been like okay you know what i see potential

00:09:44.220 in content creators and content you've helped ice in the past and i love that about you and that's why

00:09:48.480 it works but again that it works putting on the events and putting on the structure and paying for

00:09:53.640 that stuff but we need to find a way to boost the creators to incentivize themselves to come do

00:09:58.680 you guys remember how crazy those kpp clips were going viral this fuck all these troopers were

00:10:02.280 probably hitting me up hitting you up eddie like yo i know oh my god what the fuck is kpp boom boom boom

00:10:06.760 boom boom boom the clips went crazy you kept saying hey keep pushing it i kept doing it but now

00:10:13.320 i think uh i think i think that my viewers are all indians or some he's got there's just no way there's no

00:10:18.680 literally no way i've left from megan never mind i think just just before because you're with the

00:10:24.040 cat stuff so like i think you you're you're like in a unique spot where i think like you've got a

00:10:29.000 very unique audience whereby sometimes you have a stream where you're like here right and then

00:10:34.840 sometimes you have streams where you're like here right and to be fair most people don't have streams

00:10:38.680 like that most people are very consistent like i'm gonna say like yeah 90 of streamers will sit within

00:10:43.720 like the same range like pretty much every time like they don't go crazy because most people don't

00:10:48.840 have the ability to say bring on a big class like it is a very unique situation it is a very unique

00:10:56.120 situation but again doesn't mean it can doesn't need to be addressed i agree it needs to be addressed

00:11:00.200 there's a lot i'll give you an example in the spanish market we we have some guys out there

00:11:04.600 doing like you know there'll be 10k viewers and they'll do this crazy event it's something like 200k

00:11:09.080 and and they're hitting that same problem you're speaking about right so i think you know we need we

00:11:12.680 need to like we need to solve that we need to solve that but like sorry i got i got ice beside

00:11:19.480 in tech check and eddie i think you're the only one who can drag him in oh really he's in the tech

00:11:23.960 check channel yeah you wouldn't mind just dragging him in sorry sorry but wait yeah just quickly before

00:11:28.600 i bring ice in and he starts talking we'll just talk in chat before like i'm just curious i'm curious

00:11:33.320 and this is again you tell me if you don't want to answer this or not but like yeah in your opinion if

00:11:37.560 someone has 100 real viewers what do you think a fair kick kpp ratings like genuinely 100 viewers i

00:11:44.680 mean bro i haven't had 100 viewers in years and respectfully i don't want to speak on that because

00:11:48.120 i i don't know but if i had to think like a thousand viewers i would probably say like

00:11:54.600 a couple hundred bucks uh an hour i mean i don't know i honestly don't know bro honestly i don't know

00:11:59.080 yeah i'm just wondering what you think a fair a fair rate is like a fair rate for like because

00:12:03.720 you're saying like hey look kpp is not fair anymore and again i'm not going to argue with that on that

00:12:08.200 but like wait honestly the way the best way to compare it is just what would someone on a thousand

00:12:12.280 viewers make on on twitch right and and i think like if you could look at that and like if someone

00:12:16.680 makes because i okay when i was averaging like i could pull it up right now honestly i don't know i

00:12:20.120 i'll share my screen you guys look at it but when i was averaging like three four thousand viewers on

00:12:23.560 twitch for example i think we just got we just gotta like quickly just hold on there's subs

00:12:28.920 right there's subs revenue and then there's like then there's like kpp so kpp obviously isn't based

00:12:33.720 upon subs it isn't based on ads it isn't based on anything it's just like a flat payment yeah coming

00:12:37.800 straight from kick right so i think i think obviously like if somebody there's actually a

00:12:41.640 lot of really great streamers out there that managed to get their sub revenue and their kpp right

00:12:46.200 and that's what it's meant to ideally do you meant to like obviously make your money from from

00:12:49.400 from subs and then you you got kpp on top right i think i don't think one's meant to substitute the

00:12:54.520 other is the way it's meant to yeah yeah yeah yeah i know one million percent and that's why again i

00:12:59.640 prefer a kick because the ads but you have to also understand eddie there's no incentive to subscribe

00:13:03.880 on kick there's no incentive unless you're supporting your creator what do you get out of subscribing to

00:13:07.720 someone on kick if i subscribe to you right now on kick what do i gain right emotes and obviously i'm

00:13:11.640 supporting you but there's no incentive so you have to also put that in consideration as well because

00:13:15.960 there's no incentive you have to also understand that's also why i i you know i should be allowed

00:13:21.000 to kind of compare the revenues i don't know i don't know i i again i agree i agree i think some

00:13:25.080 people saw yeah i got one i got one thing to add like do you think that you could have gamed with nick

00:13:30.680 fuentes on the front page of twitch like you did on kick do you know do you think the kick is a little

00:13:36.440 bit more reasonable in the content that we like we we let you be you we let you be you oh i know of

00:13:43.800 course but but that's we're welcome to 2025 and i said this many times when ddg got banned on on

00:13:49.560 twitch and i even pick up the phone i called him i said yo come to kick they unbanned him like this

00:13:53.720 so kick kick you got kick that's obviously making that comeback for people that let them do what they

00:13:57.880 want to do and that's just one thing i do want to say i always get flowers for it's true kick really

00:14:02.760 does put it to where you could do whatever the you want to do you could be you and that's what makes

00:14:06.600 you that's what makes people in streaming genuine again because look even ice twitch did ice

00:14:11.640 he's hella dirty and he did so much for twitch um and you know the worst deal ever

00:14:18.040 yeah he got he got no no he got literally raped on twitch right and he's a pioneer i got

00:14:23.480 fucked over on twitch exactly so that my whole point is i'm not gonna i that's why i always

00:14:29.560 get flowers for eddie investing in content and investing in this and i always get credit for that

00:14:34.360 because i see twitch creators and i see if they can't even say the word retard right like that's

00:14:39.320 ridiculous to me if someone says a you cannot say retard at this point i don't want to stream

00:14:43.640 anymore i don't want to i have a i do have a question though aiden yeah it i why do you keep

00:14:52.120 saying you want to go to twitch then if that's the case well the reason why the reason why i was

00:14:57.160 speaking about going to twitch and i thought about it obviously and i you know i had a long discussion

00:15:01.320 with me and my friends about it um obviously i'm thinking about this in in my perspective here right

00:15:07.720 if i do a stream with 69 if i do a stream with playboy cardi i believe heavily believe because

00:15:13.320 obviously twitch has been around longer than kick there will be more growth out of it for me right

00:15:17.560 there will be more to gain out of it followers wise traction wise impact wise and maybe even clips

00:15:22.440 wise yeah i want to on account that for a second like you got how many how many clip views did you

00:15:26.920 get from from that uh stream yesterday oh a lot i mean but takashi's viral yeah yeah obviously

00:15:34.520 kick supported that right so again maybe kick doesn't have organic people going to the just

00:15:38.920 chatting section or whatever right i know but but i i really simply don't think people utilize

00:15:44.120 streaming as a service to go find streams like i think most people find streams off platform and

00:15:48.840 then they they tune in that's just like the natural progression of what we see

00:15:53.480 i'll fight you on the discoverability thing although it won't fight you but i'll i'll counter it i think i

00:15:57.560 think the discoverability that kick offers and that like whole like massive clipping stuff which we

00:16:01.800 support you are with them we always will i think kind of potentially offsets that but again that's

00:16:06.360 my opinion yeah well i mean dude you're on stream you're going to kick if you're going live with six

00:16:15.800 nine on kick they'll go for you and that doesn't matter yeah no of course but what i'm saying is on

00:16:22.600 stream live viewers on stream impact on stream followers on stream growth is better on twitch and

00:16:27.000 that's okay there's nothing wrong with that but yes you're correct about that clippers being paid for

00:16:31.080 all this stuff that you gain gain on a kick it's great it's great i'm agreeing with you but

00:16:35.960 obviously if i do a more like okay if i did a stream with donald trump on twitch for example right

00:16:41.080 do you think i would have no i wouldn't have more i wouldn't have had more views santana no i don't i

00:16:45.400 think you would have been dropped i i don't know that they would have you don't think so no no

00:16:51.960 there was nothing terms of service that i i violated on uh on dude they would have just banned you

00:16:56.680 because it's trump they would have just been like donald trump they banned donald trump on twitch

00:17:02.920 he was unbanned he was unbanned what did donald trump get i know but hold on it's doing that

00:17:07.080 rose royce that hourly deal must be good oh yeah dude oh yeah it's it's it's real crazy

00:17:13.560 home my bad if you want i can help you out dude yes put me on bro nah wait eddie what were you saying

00:17:20.440 sorry i didn't mean to cut you off so no i was i was actually just curious what what donald trump

00:17:26.280 got banned for oh i mean dude they were banning him everywhere but my point was if i if i did that

00:17:33.240 stream on twitch santana you think i would have got banned you think i would have got taken down i

00:17:36.680 believe that i would have had more viewers i think i see the crux of your argument all right and i think

00:17:42.200 what you're let's take donald trump out of it right let's take donald trump out of it you have a big

00:17:46.360 name you have a big name on right let's just say cardi say cardi all right sure i think that

00:17:54.120 what's more valuable right in my opinion okay being able to do the content that you want to do with

00:18:00.520 cardi aiden ross or having to like tiptoe around the tos and water down your content for your community

00:18:10.600 all right i'm agreeing with you i think aiden i think and you spit back to you man geez i i think

00:18:15.800 i think you're at the point in your career where you can make money hand over fist you can make money

00:18:21.560 hand over fist but i think you're at the point of your career but that what's more important like

00:18:26.040 having authentic content that's true to you or having to to kowtow to a tos that's bullshit well

00:18:33.720 santana to be fair uh rappers go on twitch all the time and nothing happens right rappers smoke weed

00:18:38.040 they simply and they do everything on twitch nothing ever happens i mean like dude if i did

00:18:41.960 cardi on twitch i would not get banned i'm just gonna be real i would have probably triple quadruple

00:18:45.720 the viewers um and you know it is what it is i'm not but but to go back to your argument you were

00:18:50.680 one million percent right that's why i didn't i didn't switch to twitch impulsively right i may

00:18:54.440 have said it but the reason why i thought about it is it's true like if i get banned on twitch

00:19:00.600 then what then what for for what for because if i want to go on monkey or if i want to make a funny

00:19:04.920 joke to one of my friends it's possible right but at the same time i do want i do think because

00:19:10.600 of kicks impact i think twitch has chilled out and mellowed out a little bit i mean probably they

00:19:14.920 didn't ban a song for shopping his dog they unbanned a sexual predator um miskip's not banned i mean dude

00:19:20.840 guys at this point don't worry for 10 years at this point twitch is is people say oh kicks the

00:19:28.680 worst site twitch is pretty bad too people think that works uh the germany of streamers

00:19:34.600 twitch has some over there too so but that's my whole point that's my whole point i like your

00:19:39.800 argument santana that you said about nick fuentes if i were to do it on twitch i'd be out of there

00:19:43.400 in two seconds but but that's why i told you impulsively obviously oh twitch kicked to it but

00:19:49.160 i agree i agree i agree i agree to that i agree to that point though but that's my argument though that

00:19:53.400 i could technically do streams that wouldn't get me banned on twitch and gain more out of it that was my

00:19:58.600 argument though to you i i think to your point like i i think we have more agreement here than

00:20:06.200 we we do disagreement i think i think kpp grows i think what you're looking for is like look there's

00:20:12.760 got to be a balance between hourly rate and kpp what does that look like and then at your point

00:20:19.800 like if i do this massive big event right like like what what can i uh uh effectively um you know

00:20:29.080 gain from it like the two arguments that i'm hearing from you yeah can i interject i heard earlier uh you

00:20:35.960 know you guys were talking about kpp and fixed rates and all that stuff you know aiden you said if

00:20:40.600 people get a fixed rate they you know stick with their thumbs up their ass or whatever but i disagree i

00:20:46.280 think it depends on the person uh not everybody does that you know i mean me personally you know

00:20:53.640 kick has allowed me to do some pretty ridiculous content that i wouldn't have been able to do

00:20:58.120 otherwise because you know it makes sense financially whereas you know you have other streamers these guys

00:21:04.520 you know they just sat with their thumb up their ass because well they don't have the passion they

00:21:09.000 don't really care they just like money they just want money yeah i'm a victim of it no real when i

00:21:14.920 had an hourly rate making what i was making i'm like oh i'm just gonna sit back relax so i agree with

00:21:18.440 you now ice i love you but if i was on adderall i just want to jump in for one second all right

00:21:24.760 if i was on lean i would sit around and do nothing too facts i should have i should have chose adderall

00:21:30.040 bro instead of lean up bro i told you adderall's way better you did you said i'd be a god streamer

00:21:34.920 bro i should have took your advice no sorry real quick answer your question though santana look

00:21:41.560 this is what i'll say my whole thing on that is is just ice is right but he's he honestly ice i'll

00:21:47.000 give you your flowers for that you're one person you're you're you're one ice you're one ice you're

00:21:52.600 one of one but i eddie will agree 90 of the streamers that got put on that hourly rate a lot

00:21:57.880 of them got lazy right and i i'm a victim of it i'm admitting i did too so but 90 i would say that came

00:22:04.040 to kick 2023 whatever 2024 whatever it stopped they got they got they got pretty lazy i can i can admit

00:22:10.120 my bad eddie i need to cut you off i'll be honest ice you you one of the reasons you've still got an

00:22:15.240 hourly rate is is because kpp you'd be making more money you do know that right i know yeah i know

00:22:22.680 that and you know what keek hasn't been incentivized to move you to kpp you know because your hourly rate

00:22:27.480 is like a super reasonable like you've never negotiated like you've never come be like eddie pay

00:22:30.840 me more money or whatever right and you kept your hourly rate at like the same rate for like three

00:22:35.080 years now or two years and like honestly kpp would make you more money so like like the partnership

00:22:41.160 team has never gone to you and been like switched to kpp because it would like make us less right so

00:22:45.560 and you obviously like it ice ice if you i'm here i'm here to make you more money eddie it's fine i

00:22:51.560 don't need more money i'm i'm grateful for what i get i i do not care bro i have everything that i've

00:22:57.880 ever desired in this world i am very complacent i do not need to have a hundred two hundred million

00:23:03.640 dollars i do not care about that like that's not necessary you know what i mean so i don't need

00:23:08.440 to ask for more money i don't need to like i don't care like i'm happy with what with what i have

00:23:13.000 i just yeah i think this is more about the discussion of like there's like aiden i think

00:23:16.520 you kind of mentioning that the hourly rate's bad but like again it's like it's pretty reasonable

00:23:22.200 like it's it's not like out of this world causing causing issues but i think it would be ice you

00:23:26.520 know what it would be good just to put you on the kpp one just just for like argument's sake because

00:23:30.440 you'd see what the numbers are and you'd be like it's it's actually pretty reasonable because

00:23:35.400 again you've got access to what you'd be getting the issue i had you told me personally like there's

00:23:40.680 nobody getting an hourly rate anymore so that's kind of like where i was like okay but nobody's

00:23:43.800 getting hourly rate anymore then whatever i didn't know obviously like you and ice have your own thing

00:23:47.320 but that was my whole thing well this was uh you know this is from you know three years ago when i

00:23:52.440 first i had one two years ago yeah i know i know yeah but yeah but i uh i do stuff so it's

00:23:58.440 a lot and it's not that much money it's not that much money like eddie said it's not like a crazy

00:24:02.840 thing it's just a pretty normal amount i don't want to i don't want to go neck on neck who makes

00:24:10.040 better more whatever content but you know i had an impact on kick too so you know you make good you

00:24:15.160 do make good content i'm just fuck with you but uh i know i'm just i'm just saying like everyone's

00:24:19.880 had that impact on kick i i say you me fousey los actually my entire friend group um train obviously x

00:24:27.400 but but yeah bro i mean look my whole thing is obviously i just consistency right non-favoritism

00:24:33.880 but ice you you do it bro and so i'm not i'm not gonna water that down bro you you so

00:24:40.120 but yeah i do my best to try to but yes um but uh yeah no i mean it's uh you you have done a lot

00:24:46.760 for kick and streaming in total i actually said on stream yesterday i said i think you're more popular

00:24:52.280 than kind of said that oh we don't got to compare anybody but i do i do want to say though ed an

00:24:57.720 argument nobody really talks about either is like there are creators that have blown up from kick

00:25:01.320 comes killing it neon fousey had a crazy blow up i mean bro like there are people that do blow up on

00:25:06.920 kick expressing and being themselves from the clipping system so that is something that like people don't

00:25:10.840 really speak about and talk about i would even argue that los los lately has a lot of clips going viral

00:25:15.720 i just think clippers in general they're they're going crazy you know with with with the clipping

00:25:20.920 and that that does make a big impact as well you know creators can come up off kick and neon

00:25:27.560 especially fousey like they've they were doing that they were doing that before a lot of people

00:25:32.600 actually came up on kick so which is cool yeah there's also i i think yeah we get caught up with

00:25:37.080 all like the really really big names but there's like i think more impressive at least from from

00:25:42.600 from our perspective as a platform is those people who have started streaming on kick with like

00:25:46.920 literally zero audience and now they're getting say 50 100 200 300 400 views there's like hundreds of

00:25:52.680 situations like that like we've got so many people that have started their their career on kick and it

00:25:57.240 just goes to show that there is a healthy ecosystem the only reason there is a healthy ecosystem people

00:26:01.880 can do that is because people like you guys came over from day dot nearly and and created that ecosystem

00:26:08.040 because obviously you can't have streamers go from zero to you know x amount of viewers unless you

00:26:13.800 start that sort of you know ecosystem which you know again that's that's that's why you guys were

00:26:19.640 sitting here having an open conversation about kpp and stuff is you guys going to help build this place

00:26:23.720 right which is pretty cool if you think about it you know i think back to your point as well and

00:26:27.640 like you know whether people love or hate kick i must say like the the whole concept of there being

00:26:32.360 like a monopoly otherwise it's pretty scary um like you know even people who hate kick i think

00:26:37.560 they realize that like it definitely adds some really good healthy competition um which i think

00:26:44.280 you know for whatever reason and again this is never going to happen but if if just imagine if kick

00:26:49.480 was to fall right like there would never be another platform that would ever try to compete that's

00:26:54.280 the reality no one else is going to try to compete if microsoft failed facebook failed i agree you

00:26:59.000 know everyone failed and then kick fails after like three years or four years or whatever that

00:27:03.320 time frame is trust me no one's going to try again and and at that point like we're going to be looking

00:27:08.520 at like the darkest days of streaming ever like that would be scary like as much as people hate on kick

00:27:15.320 and say i want to see the power in kick like you guys don't yeah hey no i i agree guys kick made twitch

00:27:22.920 better i mean it's a fact i mean we all we all know that i mean everyone here can admit that everyone in the

00:27:26.760 chats they can all admit that so i agree i agree to your statement on there bro um kick really helped

00:27:32.440 streaming out a lot um it really really did here's another thing i'll add to that like i know we all

00:27:39.880 have our differences and what's happening here and how kick is rolling out and this is part of the

00:27:46.680 conversation that we had with the community and and how to make this better the reason why i'm saying

00:27:51.720 this is because in the last two weeks alone two massive people have resigned from twitch we're

00:27:57.880 talking about twitch's global head of communications and we're talking about twitch's cmo right that like

00:28:04.440 the cmo has been there for i think like seven or nine years right and just just resigned my point is

00:28:11.720 that something's happening over there because i like to think of the pressure that kick is adding within

00:28:17.640 the market but what i'm saying is is that if we can smooth this conversation out and smooth this

00:28:24.920 conversation out among the the folks in chat kpp is being real you know wheeled out like kpp is a

00:28:33.240 phenomenal program my point is is that i think we have a real chance here to start taking over the market in

00:28:42.120 a real big way and i know that streaming live streaming has said like oh it's been going down

00:28:47.560 the last two months like it's the holiday months that this is going to be a slow time but i think

00:28:52.920 that live streaming is just going to start hitting its heyday as we get our together and these other

00:28:59.000 platforms start to fall apart because they can't figure it out now um i i agree with what you're saying

00:29:03.880 i think right now the streaming is dead not dead but just less uh alive um i i think it'll i think it'll come

00:29:10.600 back up i think it'll come back alive but yeah i'm talking in terms of just like in general people

00:29:15.000 uh i love streams i watch kick but i'm not streaming but um in my opinion bro like right now i feel like

00:29:21.640 stream is is it's hitting this pat this pot this this spot right now where everyone's trying to figure

00:29:26.440 out what the fuck's going on you know what the everyone's doing and shit but i think gaming also is

00:29:31.320 just really um but why why why is streaming dead like why do you think that i think that because

00:29:39.560 streaming isn't only irl content right like i feel like gaming is 100 dead we could all agree on

00:29:43.240 that i feel like streaming is taking a big hit just because in general like people are doing

00:29:47.560 people are work school just doing holiday season yes you're right it picks back up people are on

00:29:53.240 break people don't have take time off whatever it's it's better right but i think that i think

00:29:58.200 that streaming will hit another peak when gta 6 comes out but i believe that i believe that yeah i

00:30:03.240 believe it's it's a little bit of a weird spot we're in right now the whole i mean i i i i half agree with

00:30:08.680 that i mean gaming is dead because all the gaming companies are you know self like they're not so

00:30:13.640 they're like greedy and like they just try to push you know games for you know microtransactions and

00:30:18.360 money and whatever but um but when it when it comes to like non-gaming content i don't think it's dead

00:30:24.680 i mean i think it's thriving pretty well well in turn i'm just saying in terms of it being in a weird

00:30:30.040 spot a weird bubble i'm just saying like that people are you know everyone's kind of doing the same thing

00:30:34.680 i feel like and everyone's just kind of doing like this weird this everyone's in this weird bubble and

00:30:39.160 maybe it's just my side of what i see i don't i to be honest i don't really see a lot of what you do

00:30:43.720 a lot like i see it but i don't see it a lot and i'm just saying what's in my space i'm just it's

00:30:48.120 like repetition like i'm seeing a bunch of people doing subathons and you know all these marathons

00:30:52.120 and stuff and i feel like that is what kind of it not not not not melts it a little bit but i feel

00:30:56.920 like it kind of like takes some away from it i'm not hating on it by the way people people do what they

00:31:01.400 want to do and and they love what they want to do but i feel like the saturation in streaming is

00:31:05.960 kind of what i feel like it's kind of making it you know a little bit well what do you what do you

00:31:10.520 think that people should be doing that would like to you know move away from that saturation i think

00:31:16.600 i think naturally it'll you know i think like just how like industries die out and they come back alive

00:31:21.560 like like music for example to me rap music i like rap that shit's just trash right now to me like

00:31:25.880 nobody's dropping music whatever it's like it's like the same thing right like streaming like

00:31:29.160 i don't know like the viewer i might as a streamer by the way like i don't people can rate my content

00:31:33.080 they do what they want to do i've had a past this past week was fun for me a lot of fun doing what

00:31:37.080 the streams i was doing but besides that like as a viewer i i'm just like right now i'm like i'm

00:31:41.720 trying to like find more to watch for me that's it i'm just speaking for my for me as a viewer not

00:31:46.280 me as a streamer me as a viewer i mean i i agree with that actually um i think a lot of people a lot of

00:31:52.680 twitch streamers a lot of streamers in general they're out they all do the same thing pretty much they just

00:31:57.560 they do what works they do the subathons they all do the same stuff yeah it's because yeah i mean

00:32:03.080 it's just because uh i mean most of the twitch streamers they're just bad streamers to be honest

00:32:08.520 they all just copy each other that there's no creativity they do you know the most minimal effort

00:32:15.000 that gets the most money or the most cloud or this clip farm everybody clip farms nobody does

00:32:19.880 you know nobody makes content for like long long term sort of content everybody's a clip farmer now

00:32:26.120 which uh i i think it's very boring because how are you going to watch a six hour stream somebody

00:32:31.160 clip farming i guess if you have brain rot and you want to get making it up though that's what's

00:32:35.720 about the clips the clips up the streams because you're right you're right the clips up the streams

00:32:41.240 because it's like you're watching a 30 second clip instead of watching a five or six hour stream

00:32:45.800 and people get more accustomed to that like okay we can watch this clip of this viral moment

00:32:49.320 but you know what i'm saying and bro it's part of clipping i'm hey i'm part of that too ice you're

00:32:54.200 kind of part of it too now like that's just the way streaming's going obviously ice uh you know

00:32:58.200 i'm not a clip farmer i make stories i don't know but you but you have clips you're still crazy

00:33:05.560 i do have good clips uh but they are pretty random dude i'll do an eight hour stream that is

00:33:11.160 super good content and i'll have zero clips from it because it's there's no context if you don't

00:33:15.800 understand the context people aren't going to understand the clip most of my clips that go

00:33:19.480 viral are the most random ever that literally wasn't even content on the stream honestly but

00:33:25.480 it's good for the click base so but that's just streaming in general that's not a kick twitch to

00:33:29.800 me it's just streaming in general you know i mean it's not like oh kick craters it's just every every

00:33:33.560 streamer it's just we're in a clipping uh uh era you know so no i i i hate that i you know

00:33:41.000 streaming 10 years ago was uh in a much more yeah when i watch you load up on runescape bro

00:33:46.520 and stake in the dual arena i know eddie knows about that too those are days bro and then nowadays

00:33:51.320 it's just like fuck like scroll down twitter see the clips all right i'm i'm off social media for

00:33:55.720 the day now like whatever let me get the off here so i get it though bro like i get it i think yeah the

00:34:01.560 big problem with clipping is i think like what ended up happening people realized they became way more

00:34:05.560 famous way more recognized of clipping than they do for streaming right yeah streamers to the mainstream

00:34:10.200 and i think people are just addicted to that idea of becoming like more well-known and better

00:34:15.080 recognized and you just don't get that reach in long-form content and suddenly clipping came

00:34:19.160 along and you can say the most outrageous thing or say something that resonates with a short 30

00:34:23.240 second clip and suddenly you've got everyone like knowing your name going holy and that that

00:34:28.040 at the end of the day that's what kind of like i think yeah people are really hooked on is that is is

00:34:33.400 is is clout and fame right and yeah it's kind of unfortunate i think you know ice it's a bit of

00:34:38.040 wake up call when you kind of mentioned that because it does take away from like long form

00:34:42.360 content and building up a storyline and like actually investing in like the context and

00:34:48.040 it's kind of sad actually i never really thought of it that way but it is a bit of a problem it's

00:34:51.720 going to change the dynamic and it's changing kind of what streaming is almost and where people put

00:34:56.120 their emphasis but again i guess things just change right wait wait while i'm on this call eddie i had

00:35:01.560 this idea last night i want to buy a ghost town and then i want to put all the kick streamers in

00:35:06.840 a city and then i just i become the mayor of the city and then i'll make the streamers and like the

00:35:11.560 sheriff and like you know like a real town and then basically uh i'll value all the property at 500 000

00:35:18.440 per trailer or some like dog shit house and then they pay 20 property tax to me so i think uh i think

00:35:25.960 that would be uh good for the kick streamers and then very profitable for uh for me so can we make

00:35:31.640 that happen the kick ghost town have you have you found this said ghost town yet is there one in mind

00:35:36.600 already oh they're all over the place eddie and you know what i'll even build a statue of you doing

00:35:44.600 dropping a plinko ball in the middle of it it's got to be a legit we got to find out you got to find a

00:35:52.200 place that's legit suspected to be haunted though like legit like some crazy burial ground place in

00:35:59.640 montana out of the middle of nowhere man that would be insane oh yeah i mean i was thinking about texas

00:36:05.800 like desert towns like you know they all wear cowboy hats i don't know just i think that'd be

00:36:09.960 very interesting if there was a streamer city that's just like it's like a 24 7 kickcon almost kind

00:36:16.280 of thing just anyone can rock up or it but you know is kid con coming or not um it's being spoken

00:36:25.240 about more seriously that's for sure but i don't know we might not need to do it because we got

00:36:29.720 freaking kick ghost town coming

00:36:36.360 real quick to shift the conversation back to chat chats chat wants to lean back into kpp talk uh do you

00:36:43.880 guys ice aiden you know can you guys give any thoughts i know we've been talking about kpp but

00:36:51.320 for real for the average streamer like i you know me and eddie were talking about it before like

00:36:57.800 we believe that kpp is the best thing going out there for creators that like you know like for real

00:37:05.000 like when you guys see other platforms you're across other platforms like like where do you see the state

00:37:10.920 of kpp for the average stream you know i know we're talking about bigger things with bigger creators

00:37:17.480 and you know pay and hourly but like genuinely like i think kpp is the place to bring your audience in

00:37:27.080 order to to to grow what it is you're trying to do your brand yeah i mean mid-sized creators because

00:37:34.440 i don't know i don't know about mid-sized creators and low-sized creators but um i that i don't know

00:37:39.320 ice you can answer that i have no idea how because you i know all your friends have the kpp so i

00:37:43.000 don't know how much they're making how much they're doing but i can't okay for example you

00:37:47.800 know before kpp all the streamers around me you know they would just live off donations or whatever

00:37:52.280 and it was real hard kpp nowadays i mean they're able to travel they're able to do you know their

00:37:57.400 own content they're you know they're self-sustained i mean kpp is the greatest thing that's ever

00:38:02.680 happened to streaming and i think if uh you know pete more people just need to come to the

00:38:07.080 understanding that if you're getting 500 viewers you're a mid-sized streamer five six hundred

00:38:12.040 viewers i mean you could make you know a good amount of money way more than just subs or whatever

00:38:19.080 so i mean that's uh i mean what's the question i mean that's just uh the best thing streaming i don't

00:38:24.680 know like and then if you get more viewers from better content you get higher kpp i mean that's a

00:38:29.480 great incentive obviously there's gonna be people who are you know kind of lazy and they're not gonna

00:38:34.040 want to do more content they're gonna be like i'm okay with my 20 an hour but i feel like most

00:38:39.560 people will have that ambition and drive they're gonna want to get that you know 80 an hour or

00:38:44.520 something they're gonna want to try and get like higher viewership for that well what do i do in my

00:38:50.120 position what do you recommend for me because you obviously the 30-day period and then like if i do a

00:38:54.600 brand risk it doesn't check in because it's a 30-day grace period so what do i what do i do genuinely i'm

00:39:00.280 asking you for advice um so i think there's like what we spoke about earlier like the way that kp's

00:39:09.960 done from the the security perspective where if there's like an abnormally high increase in viewers

00:39:14.440 it sometimes goes okay hold on this is like cap we need to fix that we need to change it up like i

00:39:19.880 don't think that needs to happen i think what we need to do is we need to say okay we're gonna

00:39:23.080 like potentially whitelist stream is to make sure they go like completely if they if they have like a

00:39:26.920 thousand percent increase in average viewers we accept that so i think that's an easy problem to

00:39:31.000 solve um i think coming back to your question about what you should do like like this we had

00:39:36.520 this conversation like like literally a week ago and i i said to you like your aid and just do like

00:39:41.640 whatever you want to do like in terms of like go live on twitch go live on kick like get the best

00:39:45.560 of both worlds like i was pretty honest with you right like i said like dude like you give me your

00:39:49.160 blessing that's fast i was like you give me your go go do twitch go do this go do whatever right

00:39:53.720 i said to you like i i think you know kick is is of course the best move and and the fact that

00:39:59.160 you know there's a lot offered here and you're gonna get way more um in the long run but but of

00:40:04.200 course i said you know mix it up like do your big streams on on twitch so i i think it's up to you to

00:40:09.880 kind of like go back and like figure out like what works for you like you might be right you might be

00:40:14.520 you know you you said before hey look if i do this on this platform i'm gonna get like x amount more

00:40:19.880 viewers i don't know test that theory right test if that's truly the case i i personally think like

00:40:25.720 you because you are such a big brand and such a well-known person and already so established here

00:40:30.760 i think you're gonna get the same number of like authentic viewers here on kick as you will on like

00:40:35.400 on on on twitch maybe a little bit more there i don't know right i think it's gonna be pretty

00:40:39.080 same for same um but i think then there's other upsides right on either side right i think twitch

00:40:43.480 is obviously much more recognized like everyone knows twitch and i think you end up probably

00:40:47.480 getting more collab opportunities or that kind of stuff i think that's reasonable like there's

00:40:50.840 trade-offs to both right um but i must say i think you know whilst we're talking about kpp and it's

00:40:55.880 it's not like you're you're you're you're a very rich guy right you got a lot of money and you know

00:41:01.160 maybe five thousand dollars an hour for you is is not like good money or four thousand or six thousand

00:41:05.640 or whatever the numbers are that's right if i can get five an hour wait a second wait what are we

00:41:11.640 talking about i'll take that i mean give that to me well again like well that's what i mean like

00:41:17.480 i'm saying like it's it's good money like your your kpp earnings are like public aiden right like you

00:41:22.200 you you yeah you make them very sure i don't care so like i'm blessed bro i'm like i'm grateful you

00:41:30.120 otherwise i know yourself like uh i don't even know the math you're 2 000 subscribers right like

00:41:35.080 that's hard it comes off like it comes off like i'm a greedy but i'm really not like i'm not trying to be

00:41:39.880 greedy here i'm really not bro bro i respect you i really do i think you're one of the greatest

00:41:48.200 streamers in the industry but man you are a greedy mother he told me oh hold on hold on ice if eddie

00:41:55.560 told me off stream brand risk you should have got paid 50 more and i didn't get paid how is that fair

00:42:00.520 you got a hundred plus million dollars who cares i'm gonna say i i i i i forgot that i should have

00:42:12.600 chased you up and be like aiden here's the extra like six thousand dollars or seven thousand dollars

00:42:16.520 or whatever it was i'll be honest i kind of thought the same way so i was like you're you're a hundred

00:42:21.000 million deep but i didn't realize six thousand meant that you're 50 billion deep yo give me a billion

00:42:25.400 dollars let me hold on to it for like five years i'll pay you back come on bro i honestly didn't

00:42:30.200 realize it was that big a deal like i'll i'll get that one manually it's not about the money though

00:42:34.520 it's the it's just a principle for me that's why i was being a little lesbian about it i was like

00:42:38.280 bro you trying to play a little bit like oh i was upset bro it's hurt you hurt my feelings but no

00:42:43.000 i'm not i'm not greedy ice come on bro ice i give out money you know i bless my come on bro

00:42:47.960 i mean you're right okay you do give out a lot of money i i'm kind of with you like halfway i know

00:42:55.080 i know but the other half is like you know i mean if i was in your shoes i put myself in your

00:43:00.920 perspective i just i personally wouldn't care if you told me to retire i mean no i mean if i was you i

00:43:08.360 mean 200 million dollars what are we doing bro dude if i had 200 million dollars i would just

00:43:16.040 i would build my own city bro i would like i would just live as a king in like some desert town with

00:43:22.040 a bunch of people i don't know dude i would i have different values i don't know well he's not

00:43:27.560 retiring eddie's 50 billion up and he's not retiring well eddie is a different animal i mean if i had 50

00:43:35.800 i'm not taking adderall i'm not taking adderall leave me alone i just got off lean all right let me

00:43:46.120 be let me break let me get at least a year all right wait you should hey instead of adderall though

00:43:51.320 you should consider doing meth it's the same thing well adderall is uh a little bit healthier no it's not

00:43:58.440 it's the same thing it's just whatever dude wait what are you doing today be honest be up with me

00:44:03.800 what will i do i do 130 milligram extended release that's not that bad right how much is that 30

00:44:11.160 milligrams no it's not that bad no just 30 just 30 milligrams just 30 just 30 okay that's not that bad

00:44:17.960 right no it's not that bad that's what like uh teenagers take in high school oh so you don't even

00:44:23.160 do it that much no no it's not it's not like that but um yeah i mean all right aiden to prove that

00:44:30.520 you're not greedy wire me a million dollars right now and he's got 50 billion i'll tell you what

00:44:39.480 i'll wire you 100k eddie wires you and i 100k i mean there's no downside for me he's more jewish than me

00:44:48.840 we're all jewish me you and eddie are all santa you're not you're not jewish right

00:44:52.520 i'm latino yeah oh okay well look we have three jews in this call it's you're we're cooked ice

00:44:59.240 i'm only 20 jewish no you're jewish it doesn't matter you're jewish wait wait wait what type of

00:45:05.080 for you what type of for you well my it's like uh it's like russian like russian fine i can tell

00:45:12.840 your nose your that's three you know it's in your nose you're jewish it's okay yeah maybe a little bit

00:45:17.800 it's all good hey you know we should really do we should hey we should we should make our own

00:45:25.640 runescape private server and bring back the dual arena i mean yeah i'm i'm down for whatever i mean

00:45:32.680 hit up jagax have you spoke with jagax before or no um yeah yeah andrew you have right yeah we're

00:45:40.520 connected they like us they like us let's go go time buy runescape how much is runescape worth

00:45:49.080 i think they're like sold recently for like a bunch of money i don't know they're in by some private

00:45:54.120 equity that's why they're doing all that microtransaction stuff hey but i don't know

00:46:00.120 that sounds like a big headache i think like running a live streaming platform is complicated like running

00:46:05.720 a game like runescape that would be a headache like that that's even like a harder crowd to please

00:46:09.880 like with live streaming you definitely can't please everyone like with a game like that you're

00:46:14.440 you're fucked like you just cannot win yeah but you'll make so much money from the game i feel like

00:46:19.160 if you if it's like if he buys runescape one bad update and eddie's face is going to be on the

00:46:24.760 old school subreddit they're gonna be like this guy this guy for you know well you know updating this

00:46:31.960 thing i don't know they're gonna be what else eddie eddie you should buy north korea or something i don't

00:46:35.800 know get creative here north korea that's right we're gonna send you to north korea for a while

00:46:41.960 though you never did it though yeah no no wonder you want me you want to be a die on stream you

00:46:47.000 want to get a clip yeah come on you're gonna go get those funds back that time

00:46:54.600 i went to the border of north korea and then i got pressed by the military and they almost arrested me

00:46:59.560 nice i ain't gonna lie bro if anyone's got an iros from north korea you got to do it you can get

00:47:02.520 permission bro there's a way to do it you have permission

00:47:06.040 wait all right so you actually went to the border yeah you went for the somali trial didn't you you

00:47:13.320 you like ventured out to south korea right yeah i went to south korea and then you know he

00:47:20.120 streams like me and i was like uh he was like unband me on kick i'm like well i don't have that power

00:47:24.520 for one and for two you're a scumbag so no oh you're talking about the somalian guy what's his name

00:47:29.800 yeah johnny johnny that's right yeah he streamed in israel but it was asking about me

00:47:37.720 is he is he in israel i stream in israel uh i don't want to get by like a missile or something

00:47:45.240 dude eddie how do you not laugh at okay there it is i was like dude but come on bro

00:47:52.280 hey i don't know i gotta be i gotta be careful with you guys when you're cutting loose like

00:47:57.880 and is that offer and is that offer still standing would you would you box dan clancy on brand risk

00:48:02.440 box dan clancy on brand risk yeah i'll be honest like dude dan is actually like a crazy healthy

00:48:12.440 dude like he's like running around doing like marathons and like riding bikes like

00:48:19.720 he's an old man come on

00:48:23.160 i don't know like he's he's healthy he's healthy like he invests in his health he's

00:48:27.560 oh he jerks off all day what do you mean like bro he's just straight goons he he he flips uh

00:48:35.560 of models on stage like crazy i don't know man i think he might give you a run man

00:48:44.040 like i think that guy's out there doing a good job you know like he's he's like public he's he's

00:48:48.440 trying like yes yeah i don't know like it's it's like a weird industry like you're not going to be

00:48:53.880 able to find like because you got to keep in mind like that guy also has like a fuckload of

00:48:58.120 responsibilities like he has to report to like amazon and like you know try to make the thing

00:49:02.600 profitable or whatever it is else he has to do plus everything else like man that guy's a he's

00:49:06.680 a bit of a machine like i think i think he gets way more like uh you know hate than he deserves like

00:49:13.160 it that is not an easy job like if you had to be like a ceo of like any company like twitch

00:49:18.040 would be like up there is like probably the hardest company to like somehow balance all that

00:49:22.760 responsibility plus freaking dealing with like the public and i don't know he he's he's uh he's

00:49:29.000 doing all right but if yeah if it came to boxing dan clancy i think you're right it'd be a bit unfair

00:49:33.400 i do have an age advantage and probably like 20 kilos on him as well so i think uh i think i think

00:49:40.200 i'd do all right yeah yeah yeah but i'll tell you what i'll tell you what listen it's been it's been a

00:49:58.360 good it's been a good chat i think i think being able to kind of go live and talk about the kpp stuff

00:50:02.840 has been has been all right um yeah bro you know come on now no but it's cool to be off subject bro

00:50:10.280 damn we can have a normal convo about life how's your workouts been how's your mma workouts been

00:50:15.640 i've done mma in ages man i've i've uh i did it for like one year it was fun but yeah you stopped

00:50:20.920 going yeah yeah you were looking jack bro you were looking hey you still are we're like bro you

00:50:26.280 you were doing mma like 5 a.m you where you were damn yeah i'm doing i'm just doing doing swimming

00:50:33.960 now i found like this this new love for just like doing like three four kilometers of back and forth

00:50:39.480 in a pool it's boring as hell but it's like really fun at the same time it's weird yeah very nice but

00:50:46.840 but no it's a good it was a good call man it was a good conversation with all of you bro you know i

00:50:50.840 i respect you heavily and i appreciate your obviously your input on stuff eddie you know you as well

00:50:55.400 santana and like i said eddie you know like i said bro obviously i love being the genuine authentic

00:51:01.240 creator i am and meaning whatever i can say what i want and i have to turn my back and am i gonna

00:51:05.880 get banned so i i thank you for giving that's one thing i will say i appreciate you giving me the you

00:51:11.160 know that because that that is that is real like even you brought up cuff him earlier like it's true

00:51:16.520 you know it's true like think about it like cuff him on twitch like he wouldn't be able to do monkey

00:51:21.480 he wouldn't be able to like have fun with and like he's someone i could enjoy and i could watch

00:51:25.640 right so it's like you give people that freedom and i will say that that is that is all and you're

00:51:30.120 right though microsoft failed these platforms didn't do it right man kick is yeah you know how it is

00:51:36.760 no it's it's it's a lot of people that have done that right it's you guys building it out you know

00:51:45.080 obviously xqc train hundreds of other people as well for making the switch over and i think you know

00:51:51.160 there's a lot of people that can rightfully say like kick is only here because they've taken a

00:51:56.040 chance on it and um it is just one large community right and i'm i'm only just very very small part of

00:52:02.280 it same with with andrew same with all the stuff right so i don't know i think i think we've got a

00:52:05.960 cool thing going and we just got to keep keep working together you know who was that in your

00:52:10.360 background oh it's shnaggy yeah no yeah no but no i agree i agree fully bro fully agree

00:52:21.800 yeah man i must say shnag is not doing well on kpp is he

00:52:25.800 nah he's really mad but who gives up i'm kidding over or under after this call uh i give it a 60

00:52:33.640 chance aiden's like all right dude 50 million raise no no no no dude like how jewish do you think i am

00:52:39.960 i'm not that jewish yeah uh yeah you're right you would never do that never it's not even in my

00:52:47.800 blood come on dude you know what you're gonna teach me a thing or two about that because clearly i'm

00:52:54.440 doing wrong eddie let coffee do his lean mukbang again come on dude look he was having a good time it

00:52:59.480 was fake lean oh man like yeah that was i listen i think kick is all for like a creative freedom

00:53:09.160 all that kind of stuff but but there is kind of lines we got to draw you know like i think

00:53:15.160 that was that was pushing a little bit yeah hey i remember you you were in the background on that

00:53:19.320 stream i had to call you up like he wasn't listening anyway i'm like hey stop this

00:53:23.160 no that was funny though bro i'm not gonna lie yeah that was a lot of fun

00:53:29.560 yeah no i can imagine it was not fun for those involved yeah look at santana look it's a joke it's

00:53:37.160 kevin uh eddie i gotta go i'm dig i'm i'm about to go dig up some dinosaur bones so uh these guys

00:53:44.920 just been waiting for me hey that's all good man hey thanks for jumping on ice have a good one

00:53:49.160 all right all right so uh eddie um oh eddie you're getting off too um i know i was gonna finish up in

00:53:58.040 like five minutes or something or not yeah but hey bro it was a really good conversation um i appreciate

00:54:05.480 you bro and um thank you and um and good and good job yesterday as well man i was watching the stream

00:54:11.720 that was uh that was peak that was peak i think that was like i don't know i really felt it i've said

00:54:17.160 it a few times but i really really felt that that was kind of like you back in your in your domain

00:54:22.280 so the islam khabib one wasn't it wasn't peak either that was my favorite you didn't hit the

00:54:26.200 same i don't know man that was my favorite year i've done like all month i love that stream you

00:54:30.600 didn't like that stream no i liked it i mean like i i felt like i felt like yesterday was more kind

00:54:35.160 of like in your element like i felt like you're more comfortable like more me more me yeah i felt like

00:54:39.640 that was that was aiden that was like your that was more your domain right i i again just like

00:54:46.600 i think in terms of of how you felt like you were relaxed like you're having a good time you're

00:54:52.360 laughing like you were i don't know it was good that was a great it was a great it was a great

00:54:55.960 vibe i appreciate that bro but look ed we'll speak soon hit me anytime bro uh santana pleasure bro

00:55:01.080 thank you again i appreciate you guys i'll check you guys later all right uh take care man see you

00:55:06.520 thanks aiden

Adin Live - November 15, 2025

Adin Ross Confronts Kick Owner Eddie…

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