Adin Live - Adin Ross Interview with His BIGGEST Hater (Full Stream)

00:00:00.140 Aiden, how you doing?

00:00:01.940 I'm better, man. How about you?

00:00:03.360 No, I'm just kidding. Life is great, bro. I can't complain. Everything's amazing.

00:00:07.560 That's good to hear, man. I think we've all been better, right? Probably?

00:00:11.460 No.

00:00:11.800 No. Life is actually really good right now.

00:00:13.980 Oh, sorry. I forgot. I'm not going to jump in. Sorry, guys.

00:00:16.880 I'm a streamer. I forgot. You know, it's not about me.

00:00:19.740 If you interject too much, I'm going to ask you questions about kick, if that's fair.

00:00:23.460 No, it's not fair.

00:00:24.640 Freaking A.

00:00:25.300 All right. Well, Aiden, just so you know,

00:00:27.080 I have a real quick opening question, then we can get the hardball stuff if you want to.

00:00:31.220 Yeah.

00:00:32.500 All right. So, you know, I want to do a quick little serious question about, like,

00:00:36.100 your come up in your childhood. For any serious fans out there,

00:00:39.780 obviously you've had a pretty big rise over this past couple of years.

00:00:43.740 Would you mind just quickly, for fans out there,

00:00:45.880 kind of retracing the steps of where you came from and then where you are now?

00:00:51.120 Yes.

00:00:51.520 As brief as possible.

00:00:52.700 So, man, you know, I played 2K, then I did E-Dates, and then after E-Dates,

00:00:59.120 I did, like, some IRL shit, and then did rappers, and then just that's really it, 0.75

00:01:05.360 to be honest. I did a lot of, like, that type of stuff, you know? 0.84

00:01:09.780 And what was, like, the first thing that really, really blew you up?

00:01:13.240 I would think when I talked to LeBron on the mic back in NBA 2K20,

00:01:17.500 I talked to LeBron on the microphone, so that was huge.

00:01:20.080 It hit SportsCenter, hit a lot of stuff, you know? It was great.

00:01:23.420 And would you say, so 2K was kind of your start,

00:01:25.500 then you brought in some celebrities slash rappers,

00:01:27.980 and really blew up that way as well, E-Dates, what would you call-

00:01:30.700 Hot tub streams, yeah.

00:01:32.940 What would you call, like, the current phase you're in then,

00:01:34.800 compared to all that stuff? Like, in the-

00:01:36.900 You kind of just- 0.98

00:01:37.520 I feel like now, bro, I'm just, like, on some shit now where 0.97

00:01:40.160 I'm kind of over, like, chasing accolades and milestones that 0.95

00:01:45.180 certain, like, hitting, like, certain viewer peaks and stuff like that. 0.97

00:01:48.760 I'm just really on some shit now where 0.91

00:01:49.880 I'm just trying to build brands up, 0.96

00:01:51.560 and I'm trying to find what I enjoy most now in my life.

00:01:54.420 Because now I've kind of adapted to stuff,

00:01:56.220 and I've kind of been through-

00:01:57.060 You have a little echo in your-

00:01:59.060 I think you just have to lower your headphones.

00:02:01.200 We got echo on my end, guys.

00:02:03.560 Am I echoing when I talk, or just when you speak?

00:02:06.240 Test, test, test, test. You're good now.

00:02:08.340 We're good?

00:02:09.020 Yeah.

00:02:10.360 Wait. Wait. Hello, hello, hello.

00:02:13.160 Yeah, it's just when I talk.

00:02:15.820 Is that going to bother everybody?

00:02:17.000 Can we figure that out, or no?

00:02:19.240 Do this. Try this.

00:02:20.820 Pull the mic away from your face.

00:02:22.360 It's going to be, like, three, four inches.

00:02:23.500 Maybe, like, right here.

00:02:24.860 Talk, Aiden.

00:02:26.680 Yo, test, test.

00:02:28.480 Yo, yo. 0.99

00:02:32.180 Do it again. Test again.

00:02:33.740 Yo, yo. 0.99

00:02:35.780 It's good now.

00:02:36.980 That's better.

00:02:38.520 It's good.

00:02:39.520 We're good? We're good now?

00:02:40.640 Chad, do I roast him right now?

00:02:41.760 You could also, if it's still an issue,

00:02:43.380 you could turn the game down a little bit,

00:02:44.680 because what's happening-

00:02:45.400 No, it's good. It's good.

00:02:46.120 I think it's good.

00:02:46.740 Yeah.

00:02:47.080 Yeah, it's good.

00:02:47.900 Yeah.

00:02:48.780 All right. Sorry.

00:02:49.320 Where were we?

00:02:49.840 I got sidetracked pretty easily.

00:02:52.400 Right now, where my life is,

00:02:54.200 I'm very in a good spot.

00:02:55.520 I just want to start building stuff.

00:02:57.040 I want to build my brands up.

00:02:57.980 I want to build some companies.

00:02:59.600 I just want to start building.

00:03:01.240 And, you know, it's a different place

00:03:03.700 than where I was a year or two ago.

00:03:05.100 And so, would you say, like, where you're at right now?

00:03:08.920 Do you feel like, in your streaming slash content creation career,

00:03:12.420 do you feel like you've made it to the point that you wanted to make it to

00:03:14.940 and so you're going to focus on other things?

00:03:16.940 Yeah, bro.

00:03:17.480 I'm at the point now where I would say I'm not as hungry as I was when I was coming up.

00:03:21.360 So, I'm in a spot now where I can finally say,

00:03:23.840 I've kind of made a pretty good, you know, lane for myself. 0.99

00:03:27.060 I made some good shit happen. 0.95

00:03:28.440 So, now I'm at a point where I'm like, 0.98

00:03:29.780 you know, I can enjoy it more

00:03:31.500 and I can really start to level things out

00:03:33.880 and figure out what I really want to do.

00:03:34.960 And so, is that, and again,

00:03:38.120 train, obviously, come in whenever you want to.

00:03:40.400 You know, you making it

00:03:41.920 and obviously you making a certain amount of money,

00:03:44.000 getting so many viewers, so much fame along the way.

00:03:46.780 Do you think that has kind of changed your regards

00:03:49.460 towards not really caring what kind of content you put out?

00:03:52.260 Chaz, kick down or no?

00:03:53.560 You're willing to say a lot more things than you previously would,

00:03:57.540 you know, back in the 2K days?

00:03:59.720 Real quick, Aiden.

00:04:00.600 So, so.

00:04:02.340 Wait, wait, wait, Aiden, real quick.

00:04:03.720 Let me make a clear distinction for you, Aiden, okay? 1.00

00:04:06.580 He's not saying, are you in a don't give a fuck? 0.99

00:04:09.540 So, there's a difference, right? 1.00

00:04:11.080 You are generally a I don't give a fuck type of content creator, right? 0.97

00:04:14.960 What he's trying to correlate and connect is, 0.98

00:04:17.720 he's saying, has the money and the success 0.99

00:04:20.380 turned you into someone that doesn't give a fuck 0.99

00:04:23.700 about the quality of content? 1.00

00:04:25.320 So, you're willing to spew whatever shit you want out there 0.99

00:04:27.840 because you don't care. 0.99

00:04:28.520 So, be careful with that.

00:04:29.500 Not necessarily the quality, not necessarily the quality.

00:04:30.760 Just be careful with that answer.

00:04:31.640 So, look, I'll just tell you straight up,

00:04:34.080 I just signed the biggest streaming deal of all time

00:04:37.120 out of any creator as far as I know

00:04:38.480 and it feels amazing.

00:04:39.720 I'm blessed, bro.

00:04:40.340 And now I just want to take time to really capitalize off that

00:04:43.420 and give back to people and give back to people who are in need

00:04:45.780 and bless the fuck out of everyone I can.

00:04:47.560 So, I'm at a point, man, for my content.

00:04:50.580 You know, I just, I really want to figure out ways

00:04:52.760 to really get back and bless the fuck out of a lot of lives 0.98

00:04:55.900 and change people's lives and shit. 0.98

00:04:57.960 Okay. 0.62

00:04:58.320 So, you're obviously talking about your deal with Kik.

00:05:00.480 Are you, you're saying your deal with Kik is the biggest streaming

00:05:03.140 contract deal that you know of?

00:05:06.580 Like, you're bigger than Ninja, bigger than Nick Merckx.

00:05:09.280 I mean, I'm not going to go into specific numbers,

00:05:11.940 but I'm pretty sure it's the biggest, biggest streaming deal of all time.

00:05:14.900 I signed you.

00:05:17.520 Train the lawyer?

00:05:18.180 You got anything to say?

00:05:18.840 We can't know numbers, can we?

00:05:22.240 No, it's bigger than all those people you named.

00:05:25.560 Really?

00:05:26.220 Because I heard numbers, rumors-wise,

00:05:28.600 obviously Ninja was public and Nick Merckx stuff,

00:05:30.940 so you guys are saying this is the biggest stream.

00:05:33.120 Kik signing Aiden Ross is the biggest streaming deal we have seen to date

00:05:36.120 that we know of?

00:05:39.940 It gets messy when it's just streaming deal

00:05:43.220 because there's a bundle of things in there,

00:05:45.720 but what I will say,

00:05:49.660 the amount is more than all those people, yes.

00:05:52.700 Okay, interesting.

00:05:53.520 Can you go into details about the bundle

00:05:54.700 and what that contract, at least-

00:05:56.840 It's my lawyer, man.

00:05:57.860 My lawyer wants it.

00:05:59.200 Can you specify any of those details?

00:06:00.800 Because obviously with a typical streamer contract,

00:06:02.820 like Ninja to Mixer, Nick Merckx back to Twitch,

00:06:04.800 these gigantic deals,

00:06:06.160 probably a bit different than a Kik contract.

00:06:07.480 Can you describe to people out there

00:06:09.880 what that contract might be made up of?

00:06:13.520 Because you said bundle.

00:06:14.360 I don't know what that means exactly.

00:06:15.720 Um, well, I wasn't there.

00:06:19.980 I'm just saying what was related to me.

00:06:22.440 So, no, I cannot.

00:06:25.320 Gotcha.

00:06:25.840 And nothing from Aiden either?

00:06:27.240 No, sir.

00:06:27.880 Move on to the next question, please.

00:06:29.640 Awesome.

00:06:30.180 So, the come-up is great, right?

00:06:32.100 Obviously, I think you have a great come-up story.

00:06:33.820 I think a lot of people do.

00:06:34.700 You had that hunger.

00:06:35.360 You had that rise and grind from the 2K days,

00:06:37.500 and you've done some great things in this space.

00:06:40.020 So, that brings us to these last couple of weeks, right?

00:06:42.440 That have been, I think it's fair to say,

00:06:44.600 controversial, have been-

00:06:45.980 No.

00:06:47.200 You don't think it's been controversial last couple weeks?

00:06:50.020 I don't think it's been controversial, bro.

00:06:51.860 I don't.

00:06:53.420 No.

00:06:53.820 You don't think anything you've done in the last month-

00:06:56.340 Oh, no, no, no.

00:06:57.000 I don't know.

00:06:57.320 I thought you were talking about a specific thing I just did.

00:06:59.380 No, for sure, I've done things that I admit, like,

00:07:02.100 in the past couple weeks, I could have been better,

00:07:03.800 been a better person about it, and not done it.

00:07:07.120 And I'll bring it up myself, bro,

00:07:08.420 because I know you're going to already bring it up.

00:07:09.440 The porn thing, again, that's just something that I got to do better,

00:07:12.160 and I took counter-closure on that. 1.00

00:07:13.580 It's whack as fuck. 0.99

00:07:15.300 And, you know, I guess, man, where I got pissed off was, 1.00

00:07:18.280 there's other people doing that, too,

00:07:20.360 even in worse ways.

00:07:23.260 And I was the only one to get reported on and go training for.

00:07:25.980 You know what I mean?

00:07:26.520 So, I'm not saying that makes it great.

00:07:28.160 I'm not saying I should be canceled out completely,

00:07:29.740 but I took accountability for that, bro.

00:07:31.520 You know, what I did was not right, right?

00:07:35.140 But, again, I think it's just not,

00:07:38.220 it wasn't fair to see me completely get caught in flames from it,

00:07:43.320 but other people can let, it just slides,

00:07:45.380 and nobody reports and talks about it.

00:07:48.160 Can you give examples of other people?

00:07:50.340 No, I'm not a snitch.

00:07:51.600 I'm not going to rat people out.

00:07:52.660 I'm not going to talk about throwing other people under the bus.

00:07:54.820 That's not my job to do.

00:07:55.980 But, I'm going to stay in my lane.

00:07:58.940 But, that's just what I'm trying to say, bro.

00:08:01.200 Like, it's got to be consistent.

00:08:02.720 If you're going to report things,

00:08:04.040 I think it should be consistent on both ends,

00:08:06.360 on many ends.

00:08:07.540 Because I know you have friends. 1.00

00:08:08.680 I know you have friends in this shit. 1.00

00:08:09.880 I know you do, bro. 1.00

00:08:10.860 And that's cool.

00:08:11.540 I get it.

00:08:12.280 But, I just think it should be consistent with everything you report.

00:08:14.460 But, you also, help me understand.

00:08:18.040 Because you've got to understand, from my perspective,

00:08:20.760 you're Aiden Ross in front of, what was it, 80,000 viewers.

00:08:24.180 You're not just a typical streamer at that point.

00:08:26.200 You are one of the top streamers.

00:08:28.080 Yeah.

00:08:28.420 And also doing that.

00:08:29.860 So, do you not expect headlines to be made when a top streamer does that,

00:08:32.900 as opposed to, and like you said, this is done, right?

00:08:35.680 There are things that should not be on Twitch.

00:08:37.740 There are things that should not be on Kick.

00:08:39.240 This happens with streaming platforms.

00:08:40.620 But, of course, when Aiden Ross in front of 80,000 to 100,000 people pulls up that,

00:08:46.220 of course that's going to be covered.

00:08:47.800 So, I understand what you're saying.

00:08:49.580 It's not always equal.

00:08:51.060 But, when you are the streamer that you are, you are held to certain accountability.

00:08:54.980 Standards.

00:08:55.460 I agree with you on that.

00:08:56.300 And, I'm going to cut you off there.

00:08:58.640 I learned my lesson, man.

00:08:59.520 And, I understand that now.

00:09:01.920 You know?

00:09:02.360 And, that's something that I told myself I've got to be better.

00:09:05.040 And, I've got to be a better leader.

00:09:07.020 And, that's something that I'll never make a mistake about again.

00:09:09.240 Intentionally.

00:09:09.600 I'll never intentionally pull up porn ever again.

00:09:12.420 I don't even watch porn, bro.

00:09:13.980 In the clip, I said, I don't condone this.

00:09:16.700 My whole chat was spamming it.

00:09:17.940 It was kind of like a little, like, lurk.

00:09:19.220 And, I give in on my chat a lot.

00:09:20.440 And, they know that.

00:09:21.400 So, but, again, bro.

00:09:22.760 No excuse.

00:09:23.320 That's just full on accountability I've got to take.

00:09:24.980 And, that's something I, I closed it out immediately after that.

00:09:28.580 I didn't open it back up.

00:09:29.260 I want to add real quick.

00:09:30.140 I'm going to add to that real quick.

00:09:31.940 The porn, pulling porn up to a younger audience is definitely weird as hell.

00:09:35.280 Okay? 0.90

00:09:35.640 Yeah, for sure it is.

00:09:36.520 But, but, this standard set because you're a larger creator is made by a bunch of insecure,

00:09:43.420 unsuccessful people that want some sort of power held over people doing better than them.

00:09:46.980 It is a made up imaginary thing by all of you that, to try and put some sort of power over people that you don't like, that don't match storylines and fit narratives. 0.89

00:09:54.840 I think it's ridiculous.

00:09:55.820 The fact that all of you are deciding to take responsibility for what a 16 year old should watch that is watching is not your job and is arrogant and shows, it's showing of a superiority complex that you do gooders think you have. 0.98

00:10:08.880 You don't.

00:10:09.760 It is the parent's responsibility.

00:10:11.380 When I was 12, I was uploading LimeWire porn left and right.

00:10:14.220 This idea that if somebody sees the porn page, it suddenly scarred them and give them PTSD and trauma is virtue signaling at, at worst.

00:10:21.960 It's virtue signaling. 0.99

00:10:22.860 It's ridiculous. 0.58

00:10:24.080 Thank you. 0.89

00:10:24.800 Go ahead.

00:10:25.480 Thank you.

00:10:25.860 Am I allowed, am I allowed to respond to that train or?

00:10:28.180 Yes, go ahead.

00:10:29.840 Okay.

00:10:30.340 So I think, and I can't speak for everyone publicly, but when you have such a big streamer, and you said a lot there, so it's hard.

00:10:37.620 I don't want to unpack it, but I want to focus on Aiden, and I'm sure you understand that.

00:10:40.440 Of course, of course.

00:10:41.700 But I think that the public would then be like, okay, Aiden Ross has 80,000, 100,000 viewers.

00:10:48.140 And like you said, you know, some of these are, maybe a lot of these are people who have already been exposed to that kind of thing.

00:10:53.800 It wasn't their first experience through Aiden Ross on a kick stream.

00:10:57.380 I think the public, and especially when it comes to these news outlets, right, they like to focus on, okay, well, there could have been a nine-year-old.

00:11:04.920 There could have been a 12-year-old, and the first time they discover these kind of things is through their favorite streamer, Aiden, and that is problematic.

00:11:13.160 I can't, are you really faulting a news outlet for covering such an instance?

00:11:17.980 I'm not faulting a news outlet.

00:11:19.700 I'm not faulting.

00:11:20.500 Trey, can I add in real quick?

00:11:22.120 But it's so ironic to me, though, when you guys say that, and then like you guys will post it.

00:11:27.860 So it's like, it's just so ironic to me because you guys will be like, wow, he just exposed this to his viewers.

00:11:33.760 But then you make a tweet, you get what I'm trying to say?

00:11:36.140 And then it's like exposing more attention to it.

00:11:38.360 It's ironic.

00:11:39.240 It's ironic to me.

00:11:40.480 You know what I mean?

00:11:40.840 I mean, like, no, I have to add in and answer this real quick.

00:11:45.440 I'm going to answer your question since you just added that in.

00:11:47.020 So two things.

00:11:47.760 First, Aiden, you brought up a very good point, right?

00:11:50.920 And I'll give you an example of that, right?

00:11:53.020 For most of the Andrew Tate stuff, right, I didn't look at it at all.

00:11:56.560 I just said, yo, you know, certain things I don't agree with, right?

00:11:59.240 I didn't bring it up.

00:12:00.280 You guys, and along with other political streamers, bring it up and put just as much as exposure and give just as much of a platform.

00:12:08.480 It doesn't matter if Hassan is saying, oh, no, this guy is not a role model.

00:12:12.940 He has to assume when he brings it up for the content and the hype of it, right, there is going to be a percentage of viewership that converts to Andrew Tate from him bringing it up. 0.77

00:12:22.320 So to me, that's all virtue signal bullshit saying, oh, we need to report this.

00:12:25.380 No, if you truly think it's dangerous, you make a comment, but you don't platform the exact clip and the exact showing of the content or the person.

00:12:32.980 But anyways, let me get back to your to answer your question.

00:12:36.000 You were saying the public.

00:12:37.420 Let's fix that.

00:12:38.220 It's not the public. 0.60

00:12:39.480 The general public is actually completely fucking reasonable. 0.91

00:12:42.240 There are usually middle white people going about their day. 0.90

00:12:45.140 They don't think someone who says something eight years ago is truly this or that.

00:12:48.520 They're pretty reasonable people.

00:12:49.800 What you're referring to is the vocal minorities you pander to.

00:12:52.440 They're vocal minorities.

00:12:53.460 They're only on Twitter.

00:12:54.300 They're only on social media.

00:12:55.540 They're not the general public's opinion.

00:12:57.540 Most people are neutral, decent people.

00:13:00.940 You understand? 0.99

00:13:01.280 Those vocal minorities you're referring to that say, oh, this, this, this, I'm offended by this, that's bullshit, okay? 0.99

00:13:05.740 And if you step outside your house, you'll realize that. 1.00

00:13:08.220 No one knows what the fuck's going on here. 0.98

00:13:10.060 Secondly, I think it's the parent's responsibility completely. 0.99

00:13:13.540 Because once you, once we get to the place of, oh, Aiden pulled up the porn site.

00:13:16.920 And let me say, it is weird.

00:13:18.200 But once we get there, where does the line get drawn?

00:13:21.100 Are we going to start saying, okay, well, this is a nine-year-old.

00:13:23.880 We have a kickstreamer that's saying vote for Donald Trump.

00:13:26.520 We need to also center that because we don't want a nine-year-old getting influenced to vote for Donald Trump based off some nutcase saying this and that and that.

00:13:32.260 But a nine-year-old can't vote.

00:13:34.640 It doesn't matter.

00:13:35.540 It's the early indoctrination of those political beliefs that end up leading him to a political ideology by 18 or 21, right?

00:13:45.200 That's the argument that would be given.

00:13:46.680 It wouldn't be, oh, he can't vote.

00:13:48.000 It would say he's slowly being groomed to vote for a political party.

00:13:51.280 The line never stops.

00:13:52.640 You guys keep wanting more and more and more.

00:13:54.680 Hold on.

00:13:55.140 You keep wanting more and more and more until you can mold the public, i.e. Twitch, Twitch is public, into exactly what you want.

00:14:03.560 The control you want over them, which is the perfect, ideal person that can't do what he wants, like, it's ridiculous.

00:14:09.680 It is a reach.

00:14:10.960 It is not reasonable.

00:14:12.180 And it only stems from people who are jealous, insecure, and petty.

00:14:15.040 Thank you.

00:14:16.200 I totally get what you're saying.

00:14:17.680 I won't dive into all of that.

00:14:19.080 But, God, you bring up some great talking points of, like, I feel like this would go way longer than it needed to if we discussed all these points.

00:14:27.520 But just really quick, you said there's a line drawn, right?

00:14:30.140 And certainly there has to be.

00:14:31.620 But we're talking about a top streamer who showed porn to a potential child audience.

00:14:35.540 You showed the front page.

00:14:36.460 All right.

00:14:36.840 All right.

00:14:37.080 I get it.

00:14:37.540 I get it.

00:14:37.920 I showed the front page of porn.

00:14:38.740 Listen.

00:14:39.100 Let me just say this.

00:14:39.760 Let me talk.

00:14:40.360 Let me talk.

00:14:41.200 But let me talk real quick.

00:14:41.660 I'm answering your lawyer.

00:14:42.600 I'm answering your lawyer.

00:14:43.680 Hold on, Jake.

00:14:44.260 Hold on.

00:14:44.600 Because this is about me, right?

00:14:45.800 So, Jake, let me just say this, bro.

00:14:47.480 Please.

00:14:48.100 Let's move forward.

00:14:50.120 Jake, for the past two months, I've been teaching, telling the kids to get in the gym and motivating them to eat healthy, do push-ups,

00:14:55.540 and stay abstinent and focus on themselves and better themselves.

00:14:59.580 But you guys, you and Dextero, you never report on that.

00:15:02.340 You never report on that type of stuff.

00:15:04.020 Why?

00:15:04.680 Why do you only report?

00:15:05.620 Hold on.

00:15:06.120 Let me talk.

00:15:06.620 I'm going to let you talk, bro.

00:15:07.440 I'm going to let you talk.

00:15:08.340 I'm going to let you have it.

00:15:09.460 I understand that my role is to be a leader and to lead my audience into the right direction.

00:15:16.200 I get that.

00:15:17.260 But I'm just saying you've got to be consistent with what you post about me, bro. 0.99

00:15:20.460 It's not fair that you only have an inter-all shit. 0.99

00:15:23.340 Lucky it's only negativity. 0.99

00:15:24.500 You get what I'm saying?

00:15:26.180 It just doesn't make sense to me.

00:15:27.500 That's what sells, Aiden.

00:15:28.760 I know it does.

00:15:29.700 I will say, before you had gone on this crazy outspur these past couple months, I covered a viewership record of yours.

00:15:37.240 And that stuff doesn't necessarily get seen.

00:15:39.040 And that's okay.

00:15:39.960 It's a one-off post, right?

00:15:42.700 But the thing is, Aiden, if you had gone off and you'd gone on this whole health kick and bettering yourself for a certain period of time,

00:15:50.660 without then doing this controversial stuff, that would be the focus.

00:15:54.220 And that's just my perspective, all right?

00:15:55.600 I get it.

00:15:56.140 I get it.

00:15:56.580 And again, that clip was out of context, bro.

00:15:59.540 I looked at my chat.

00:16:00.500 They were spamming it.

00:16:01.480 And again, it's wrong.

00:16:02.340 I'm telling you it's wrong.

00:16:03.340 I looked at my chat.

00:16:04.000 They were spamming it.

00:16:04.760 And what I did was I gave in, okay?

00:16:08.080 I gave in.

00:16:08.640 I pulled it off for 15 seconds.

00:16:10.120 I said, when I watched the channel, condoned the channel, watched porn, clicked off, never went back on it.

00:16:14.180 It's still wrong.

00:16:15.320 Listen, I get it.

00:16:16.520 It's still wrong.

00:16:17.160 I understand that.

00:16:18.220 I don't watch porn.

00:16:19.260 I still preach, do not watch porn.

00:16:21.320 I get it, bro. 1.00

00:16:22.180 It makes me look like a fucking psychopath because I just said, switch your band, stop porn. 1.00

00:16:25.660 I get it. 1.00

00:16:26.240 And then, boom, I pulled it off.

00:16:27.220 I understand.

00:16:28.080 But what I'm trying to tell you is it just doesn't make sense.

00:16:33.880 Can I say one thing?

00:16:34.760 Just for the overall kick stuff, the line is porn, though.

00:16:38.460 So porn is banned, right?

00:16:41.440 Nudity banned.

00:16:42.720 Hate speech banned.

00:16:43.680 A lot of people think freedom of speech is hate speech.

00:16:45.840 It is not.

00:16:46.520 Do you understand?

00:16:47.020 So these hard R's, these derogatory...

00:16:49.500 Wait, so chat, when do you go on my screen?

00:16:51.480 Does it say 18 plus or not?

00:16:52.720 ...Jewish people and other things, these are all bannable.

00:16:54.620 Your accounts will get banned once we get a moderation and partnership team in place,

00:16:57.760 once we get people to be viewing chat all the time.

00:17:00.660 Listen, L me all you want, but there is a difference between freedom of speech

00:17:03.880 and hate speech, and hate speech will not be tolerated, and it's that simple. 0.99

00:17:07.400 So porn, nudity, hate speech, death, gore, shit like this. 0.99

00:17:10.420 These are the lines. 0.99

00:17:11.340 I want a more free platform, but there has to be a line that's not drawn.

00:17:15.160 Go ahead, Jake.

00:17:15.600 Thank you.

00:17:16.940 This is going to be a one-off, all right?

00:17:19.620 It's because of recency.

00:17:20.600 That's it.

00:17:21.640 Just based off what Train just said, last night you had a kid on with a face mask that

00:17:28.260 had the Nazi symbol, some slurs on it, too.

00:17:31.580 Yeah.

00:17:31.740 Is that going to be allowed in the future?

00:17:34.160 By the way, let me answer that first, because I know Train's going to have his own thing

00:17:37.500 to say.

00:17:38.060 I had him on, right?

00:17:39.420 I didn't cover it, by the way, just so you know.

00:17:41.740 I just, I'm curious about how this all works out. 0.99

00:17:45.280 Dude, I don't condone that shit at all. 1.00

00:17:47.120 I get it. 1.00

00:17:47.340 He was on my stream.

00:17:48.040 I understand that.

00:17:48.920 I quickly, I closed it off after a minute. 0.99

00:17:51.160 I was trying to be like, what the fuck is your problem? 0.99

00:17:52.780 Why the fuck do you even, why are you doing this? 1.00

00:17:54.080 I was trying to be like, basically, see what's in his brain, pick his thoughts to see why 0.99

00:17:58.200 he's even doing this in the first place. 0.92

00:18:00.020 I'm not here to be like, oh, brother, you're so fucking cool. 0.99

00:18:02.500 Oh my God, come on my stream and let's fucking talk. 1.00

00:18:04.540 Like, fuck all these people. 1.00

00:18:05.620 No, I'm Jewish myself. 1.00

00:18:06.900 I don't know if you knew that or not. 1.00

00:18:08.100 And I obviously don't condone that shit. 1.00

00:18:10.320 Okay? 1.00

00:18:10.520 I'm very big on that.

00:18:11.360 My whole family is, but I was trying to pick his thoughts.

00:18:15.000 Okay? 0.99

00:18:15.480 This Nazi shit, it's, I gotta be better again and my moderation team's gotta be better. 1.00

00:18:19.340 We're not gonna have Nazis on my stream, bro. 1.00

00:18:21.280 Okay?

00:18:21.460 We're not gonna do that.

00:18:22.440 The kid, quickly, Discord call, boom. 0.98

00:18:24.840 It was weird as fuck. 0.98

00:18:25.820 Closed off. 0.99

00:18:26.360 That was it.

00:18:26.700 I didn't talk to that kid after that since he's blocked on everything.

00:18:29.200 Go ahead, Trent.

00:18:29.660 I'll let you go.

00:18:30.580 I already know what you're gonna say.

00:18:31.260 Go ahead.

00:18:33.060 I think you covered it.

00:18:33.980 I mean, if you're not gonna do it again, that's the important part.

00:18:35.840 I understand the issue.

00:18:36.800 That was a mistake.

00:18:37.820 Train already explained it.

00:18:39.460 The kick to us.

00:18:40.100 That's, hate speech is not allowed, bro.

00:18:41.760 We're not, we're not here to bring people, you know, to bring hate and negativity and

00:18:45.960 any of that stuff, bro.

00:18:46.680 Like, we're here to spread love and positivity.

00:18:48.640 Freedom of speech is a thing on here.

00:18:49.920 Like, train, train, you split it up and you made it sound great when you were talking on

00:18:53.040 your stream.

00:18:54.200 Freedom of speech is allowed, but hate speech is never allowed, bro. 1.00

00:18:56.200 We don't, we don't, we don't fuck with that shit, bro. 1.00

00:18:57.700 And you say that, and I, I'm just speaking from a, my perspective of the clips I keep on seeing 1.00

00:19:03.640 of the people that you either put on a kick stream that have been very hateful or have

00:19:08.540 had similar things like that kid we just talked about.

00:19:11.680 So at what point do you finally say, all right, I got to get off Omegle.

00:19:15.100 I got to stop doing this kind of stuff.

00:19:16.900 No, no, no.

00:19:17.340 Hold on.

00:19:17.660 Hold on.

00:19:17.940 Do you guys at least understand why I'm a bit confused by that part?

00:19:20.300 Yeah, I think you're a bit confused by that part because you believe Twitch is the only

00:19:25.380 way and the best way to do things.

00:19:27.180 I disagree with that completely.

00:19:28.400 That's an interesting perspective.

00:19:29.100 Do you understand?

00:19:29.120 Yes, bro.

00:19:29.600 Can you expand on that?

00:19:30.020 That's all it is.

00:19:30.860 Can you expand on that?

00:19:31.800 I think it explains itself.

00:19:34.740 Well, obviously a platform has to have a TOS and that kind of restrictions for a reason,

00:19:38.520 right?

00:19:39.200 Yeah.

00:19:39.460 It doesn't TOS.

00:19:40.000 And I just told you, no extreme things, but I think context actually matters.

00:19:44.500 So what I mean by that is, right, if Aiden, he could have made a better decision early

00:19:49.320 on by not bringing an individual on, but let's say he's on Omegle, right?

00:19:52.760 And his context and sorry, and his intention is to just, you know, do Omegle content and 0.95

00:19:57.640 somebody pops up that says some really hateful shit.

00:20:01.240 I think the context matters if he immediately closes it out and says, guys, this is not 0.98

00:20:05.140 appropriate.

00:20:05.800 Do not follow this.

00:20:07.220 You will abandon my community.

00:20:08.760 This is not okay.

00:20:09.740 I will not tolerate this behavior.

00:20:11.180 He closes out quickly and goes to the next person.

00:20:13.220 That is actual context.

00:20:14.560 That is actually giving someone the benefit of the doubt and allowing them to continue.

00:20:17.580 The problem is in today's world on the internet, everyone wants to assume the worst.

00:20:21.020 They want to assume Aiden meant to do that. 0.99

00:20:22.760 He's a racist, transphobic, homophobic person, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

00:20:26.120 Context actually matters. 0.99

00:20:27.180 Twitch released the context actually matters clause, but it's never followed.

00:20:30.340 It's followed through some bullshit political bias based on who their teacher's pets are. 1.00

00:20:35.220 It's ridiculous, and I think it's fucking bullshit, but that's my answer. 1.00

00:20:40.640 Okay, cool. 1.00

00:20:41.500 We, I mean, that was good.

00:20:42.860 We ready to move on to the next question?

00:20:44.520 Go ahead.

00:20:44.840 Awesome, and thanks for explaining all this stuff.

00:20:47.900 This is very eye-opening stuff hearing from your perspective versus mine.

00:20:52.140 Aiden, what's the most money you've ever made from a gambling deal?

00:20:57.360 Lawyer? 1.00

00:21:00.420 I mean, fuck it. 1.00

00:21:01.960 I believe in transparency. 1.00

00:21:03.100 If you want to say how much you got paid, you can say how much you got paid.

00:21:05.320 As far as my, you know, me feeling how someone with a younger demographic should be on a deal 0.94

00:21:09.400 or not, that's something I can argue because I don't think, you know, but if you want to

00:21:12.880 say how much you got paid, you can say what you paid. 0.94

00:21:14.000 I don't think, fuck, I mean, people will probably get pissed at us, but I think, I don't think 0.96

00:21:18.440 that's a bad thing to say, like what you've been paid a week before. 0.99

00:21:22.180 Eh, he's pocket-watching. 1.00

00:21:23.760 Sounds like some hating shit. 1.00

00:21:24.960 Next question. 1.00

00:21:25.580 Okay, next, all right.

00:21:27.060 Fair enough.

00:21:27.460 I know you already said earlier you can't say it, but I got to ask, how much is Kik paying

00:21:32.400 you for the deal?

00:21:33.060 You can just go ahead and say no comment.

00:21:35.420 Pocket-watching.

00:21:36.520 I'll say this.

00:21:37.360 I'll say this, okay?

00:21:39.880 Don't listen to that Aiden Updates page, okay? 1.00

00:21:42.620 That motherfucker's bullshitting. 1.00

00:21:44.560 That motherfucker is bullshitting. 1.00

00:21:47.100 Wait, you say Aiden's not making $150 million the next two years? 1.00

00:21:49.900 No, bro.

00:21:50.840 No.

00:21:51.180 No.

00:21:52.740 I never publicly stated that, by the way.

00:21:54.700 Don't listen to that Aiden Updates channel for the numbers, okay? 0.95

00:21:57.840 He's just, my man is putting like factual shit on there and then using like three factual 0.99

00:22:02.800 statements to back up a fourth bullshitting. 1.00

00:22:04.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.93

00:22:05.520 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:06.400 Aiden Updates is funny, though.

00:22:07.580 He's funny.

00:22:08.320 He just.

00:22:09.140 Yeah, he is funny.

00:22:10.000 I mean, yeah, the dude seems chill, but I wouldn't trust everything that's on that page.

00:22:13.980 I'm not making $150 million two-year deal.

00:22:16.920 No, that's not real.

00:22:18.760 Okay.

00:22:20.120 More of a serious question for Aiden.

00:22:21.600 Aiden, have you ever pictured a future for yourself, and this is no offense, Matt, right?

00:22:28.460 We've seen this with Mixer as well.

00:22:31.160 If kick were to fail, either in the near future, the far future, with your pending ban, supposedly

00:22:38.600 permanent on Twitch, have you ever thought about like your future?

00:22:41.380 Have you ever had a fear?

00:22:42.900 I mean, you don't strike me as the kind of guy that fears the future, but have you ever

00:22:46.220 actually sat back and thought about, all right, if kick doesn't work out, what do I do next?

00:22:50.560 Aiden, I got this.

00:22:54.420 I think the better question is, do all those Twitch streamers that have died on the hill

00:22:58.660 of Twitch with their protected contracts, have they thought about that question?

00:23:01.580 If Twitch fails, because right now Twitch is deeply into the red.

00:23:05.260 God knows what's happening in the next one to two years with Twitch Prime.

00:23:07.780 God knows what's happening with the splits and all the other things.

00:23:09.680 So the better question is, that should be directed at everyone else at Twitch and the

00:23:12.200 bigger streamers that are protected by contracts that won't put anything on the line for the

00:23:15.300 smaller and mid-sized creators.

00:23:16.540 Are they prepared to die on the hill of Twitch and close all their other avenues off?

00:23:21.340 Because who knows what's going to happen there?

00:23:22.860 Thank you.

00:23:23.680 That is also a great answer.

00:23:25.200 But Aiden, the first question to you.

00:23:28.100 What he just said.

00:23:28.960 But I'll add on that.

00:23:30.680 Like I said, man, I'm not worried at all about the future.

00:23:33.740 I think I'll figure it out.

00:23:36.440 I think no matter what and where I'm at, I'm able to maneuver myself out of problems.

00:23:41.420 And I've been doing that throughout my whole life, man.

00:23:43.020 So, you know, like I said, I'm very blessed, man.

00:23:45.160 I signed the biggest streaming deal of all time.

00:23:48.180 And I'm just here to spread positivity and I'm here to give back and change lives somehow.

00:23:53.340 So I'm going to figure it out, right?

00:23:54.960 And I think that's what I'm on right now.

00:23:56.780 So if stuff's going to get in the way, if I'm going to get speed bumps, obstacles, then I'll

00:24:01.880 get around it and I'll still figure out what I want to do.

00:24:04.020 It won't fail, bro.

00:24:04.840 I'm bringing all my friends over. 0.95

00:24:06.460 We got a lot of cool shit planned. 0.83

00:24:09.520 And like I said, bro, we have a platform that genuinely listens and wants to see, you know, 0.99

00:24:14.740 that we want to see every creator succeed on this shit. 0.99

00:24:18.300 To be fair to Jake's point, Aiden, I've told you this before as well. 0.99

00:24:22.980 I would definitely take a little, you know, I would take some caution because at the end

00:24:30.100 of the day, like you got to always make sure you're good.

00:24:32.200 You know what I'm saying?

00:24:32.540 Of course.

00:24:32.800 Of course.

00:24:33.280 Don't burn all bridges.

00:24:34.800 You know, these things are important to always keep.

00:24:36.980 Like, you know what I mean?

00:24:37.860 Even I myself understand that.

00:24:39.380 So Jake's not entirely wrong on that aspect or on that regard.

00:24:42.520 But yeah, you're right.

00:24:44.360 I think it will be just fine.

00:24:46.140 But you shouldn't burn all bridges in pursuit of that.

00:24:48.460 And one thing I do want to say, don't people think that kick is going to feel like Mixer?

00:24:51.340 The thing is, Twitch was at its all-time peak when Mixer came out. 0.98

00:24:54.300 Now I feel like Twitch is making stupid decisions such as the ad shit where they're making 0.99

00:24:59.180 creators spam ads and basically, you know, taking like a lot of like cuts that are unnecessary 0.99

00:25:04.560 and just all these things, man.

00:25:06.660 I think Twitch is dying.

00:25:08.160 So now that kick can come into play and offer what Twitch can't, especially for small creators 1.00

00:25:12.020 trying to make a living off this shit. 0.96

00:25:13.160 Now they're kind of getting threatened and all the big creators getting signed to multi-million 1.00

00:25:17.220 dollar deals.

00:25:18.280 Now they can really like kind of start to panic because, you know, now is a perfect time

00:25:22.980 for kick to come in and swoop and give them some competition. 0.99

00:25:25.480 And we're going to see it as it progresses, bro.

00:25:27.480 You know, we're going to, we just have to wait and see.

00:25:29.340 Can I add something real quick or?

00:25:30.860 Yeah, go ahead.

00:25:31.520 Yeah.

00:25:32.300 So I think the, I keep seeing these comparisons of Mixer and kick.

00:25:36.400 I think there's a big, major difference between the two.

00:25:39.360 Okay.

00:25:39.640 Mixer had no understanding and it seems to be the same case with Twitch's current higher

00:25:45.540 ups as well.

00:25:46.080 They have no understanding of what keeps Twitch going.

00:25:49.100 They have this weird understanding that it's, it's the huge streamers that just sit there

00:25:53.800 passively with large audiences that don't actually have a community, don't have any voice, no

00:25:58.320 leadership, right?

00:25:59.600 Mixer picked up two streamers that are very, very talented, very great at the games they

00:26:03.800 play, the respective games they play.

00:26:05.320 And, you know, they built empires.

00:26:07.160 They're very successful and, you know, kudos to them for that.

00:26:11.260 But, you know, streamers like that and picking up streamers who are controlling the underground,

00:26:17.920 who have connections in the underground, who understand how the lifeblood and the foundations

00:26:21.340 of Twitch work and what streamers hold up each section of each respective platform,

00:26:25.820 right?

00:26:26.180 That's where Mixer went wrong.

00:26:27.820 Mixer chose people who on paper look good.

00:26:30.020 But when it comes down to the entire infrastructure of Twitch, there is no correlation or connection

00:26:35.800 whatsoever with those people's streams and the entirety of the Twitch foundational infrastructure

00:26:41.740 that keeps everything going.

00:26:43.480 My understanding of that is the difference between Mixer and Kick, right?

00:26:47.500 And you can see that from the, for Mixer, when Mixer came out, these people signed it.

00:26:51.200 Did we see any movements?

00:26:52.520 Did we see any conversions of other streamers?

00:26:54.120 No.

00:26:54.800 When Kick came out, we saw instant conversions, right?

00:26:57.840 Because we weren't just attacking, oh, we weren't just trying to get Aiden Ross, 100k

00:27:01.020 viewer streamer.

00:27:01.640 We were fixing actual issues that Twitch has chosen to neglect and be greedy in, right?

00:27:07.280 They decided to keep certain splits and take those splits and give them to larger creators

00:27:12.460 through contracts, right? 0.99

00:27:13.780 The entire business model over there is fucked up and corrupt. 0.98

00:27:17.220 And we've decided to fix that, attack that, and come out with something that's better 0.99

00:27:21.660 for all creators.

00:27:22.880 So I think there's a big difference between Kick and Mixer.

00:27:25.580 Thank you.

00:27:26.360 I like that distinction.

00:27:27.640 And to kind of hop on that real quick before we get back to Aiden.

00:27:30.220 So how well is Kick funded?

00:27:33.180 Because you touched on a good point there where Mixer, they didn't really offer too much for

00:27:36.740 streamers besides an alternative, right?

00:27:38.860 But Kick, at the very least, is offering 95-5 splits.

00:27:42.780 You have made headlines, certainly so.

00:27:46.460 I believe it's 100% of, correct me if I'm wrong here, 100% of donations or a high percentage

00:27:51.220 of donations also go directly to streamer.

00:27:53.040 So at least you're offering things that Mixer never in their wildest streams could have offered. 1.00

00:27:57.200 So how well funded is Kick to actually offer those things has been a concern by a lot of

00:28:01.920 people.

00:28:02.240 My dog with the God motor with the 700 viewers.

00:28:04.460 Thank you so much.

00:28:05.200 I will answer that question and then we'll move back to Aiden.

00:28:08.200 I don't think funding is relevant here.

00:28:11.880 Because Microsoft and Mixer were very, very well funded, right?

00:28:15.560 So funding isn't the correct question here.

00:28:18.640 The correct question is greed, right?

00:28:20.980 Sub splits, so people are under this weird, this weird, what's what I'm looking for? 1.00

00:28:29.900 They're under this weird like assumption that sub splits come from the platform, that we

00:28:35.860 lose something for that, right?

00:28:37.200 That we're giving money from that.

00:28:38.640 No, no, no, sub revenue is something, it's a win-win.

00:28:42.260 The creator comes to the platform and he or she or they brings that subscriber revenue

00:28:48.340 from their community from other places outside the platform.

00:28:50.740 Did he just say thank you?

00:28:51.700 She means nothing for giving somebody a good split. 0.96

00:28:54.260 That's just greed.

00:28:55.320 Do you understand?

00:28:55.660 A platform can run properly and at least at break even if you properly set up a plan where

00:29:06.120 the CCVs you get from the streamers moving over, right, are properly like transit or properly

00:29:12.500 converted to toward advertisers and sponsors in the long run, right?

00:29:16.540 So that's the better question.

00:29:18.160 If you do it right, advertisers and sponsors will at least get you to the break even for

00:29:26.020 allowing the streams to be running.

00:29:30.120 Does that make sense?

00:29:31.720 Yeah, I think so.

00:29:32.920 I think it could be debated, but we don't have the, we don't want to stretch that on too

00:29:37.400 long.

00:29:38.000 Aiden, you said I could ask just about anything and I know that after the instances past week,

00:29:44.780 some, a random thread was started on Twitter about a guy who said he was your half-brother.

00:29:50.280 Miller Ross, correct me if I'm wrong.

00:29:51.900 Obviously, if you don't want to speak on this, you don't.

00:29:53.460 Bro, that is obviously fake, bro.

00:29:55.380 Why do you give in to that?

00:29:56.660 Why, why do you give in to that?

00:29:57.940 But you won't even say Aiden Ross gave a camera guy a lens or something.

00:30:03.260 Well, I'm just saying, why speak on that, bro?

00:30:05.520 Talk in the truck.

00:30:06.560 Go ahead.

00:30:07.340 I never covered it.

00:30:08.820 I reached out to the guy and he kind of gave me some interesting responses back and he reassured

00:30:14.540 me that you were actually going to talk about this on stream.

00:30:16.780 I will say that the dude had an accredited job that he, on his Twitter account, everything,

00:30:22.140 that he pretty much put at risk if what you're saying is true, is that he's not your real,

00:30:26.160 is he in no relation at all to you?

00:30:28.460 Dude, no.

00:30:29.940 No.

00:30:30.440 No relation at all.

00:30:32.040 No. 0.97

00:30:32.200 So you're telling, this, this, okay, if that is true, you're telling me this freaking weirdo 0.96

00:30:36.860 just made up this entire story about his back? 0.96

00:30:40.000 Yes.

00:30:40.380 Okay, so I've been in DMs with him, so if he ever sends me any proof, we can come back

00:30:45.260 to this point then?

00:30:46.020 Yes.

00:30:46.280 If he sends you a family photo and he can name all my family members and he can name certain 0.99

00:30:51.600 childhood shit, then sure. 1.00

00:30:53.400 But no, bro, don't give it to that stupid ass shit, bro. 1.00

00:30:55.540 Come on. 1.00

00:30:56.380 Come on, Jay.

00:30:57.220 I never covered it, but obviously it was talked about a lot and you refuted it publicly.

00:31:00.820 And Dexter tweeted that out, bro.

00:31:02.400 I don't know if you guys work together or not, bro.

00:31:04.160 Come on, bro.

00:31:04.900 We've got to be better than that, bro.

00:31:05.880 We come from the same vein, so I can't knock them and, you know, obviously I get my knocks

00:31:10.600 too, right?

00:31:11.080 You could hate on me because I almost did cover it.

00:31:13.440 So, but I'm just curious if you had a response to that because I know you saw, you called it

00:31:16.880 fake.

00:31:17.640 Yeah.

00:31:18.320 My response, my response to that.

00:31:19.980 That is fake.

00:31:20.160 That's weird as frick.

00:31:21.080 It is. 1.00

00:31:21.600 It's fuck. 1.00

00:31:22.460 You could say weird as fuck. 1.00

00:31:23.720 You're on kick. 1.00

00:31:24.460 You could say that.

00:31:25.480 Nah, I'm good.

00:31:26.280 Say it out loud.

00:31:28.520 I can't.

00:31:29.800 Because you're, why?

00:31:30.620 Because you're censored.

00:31:33.360 I'm a plant.

00:31:34.440 Can you give me the answer?

00:31:35.140 Wait, say what, Aiden? 1.00

00:31:37.260 He can't say fuck. 1.00

00:31:38.560 Guys, we're not here to focus. 1.00

00:31:39.820 We're not here to focus on this. 1.00

00:31:40.220 You can't say fuck, bro. 1.00

00:31:41.620 I love this. 1.00

00:31:42.400 Tren, I love this. 1.00

00:31:44.120 Fuck. 1.00

00:31:45.120 You really can't say fuck? 1.00

00:31:47.060 All right, say this. 1.00

00:31:47.880 Yo, they really got you fucking tied up like this? 0.99

00:31:51.640 All right, say this then. 0.99

00:31:52.460 Say it in this context.

00:31:53.320 Instead of saying, okay, go with me. 1.00

00:31:55.660 Jake lucky, Jake sucky, Jake fucky. 1.00

00:31:58.820 That you could do, right? 1.00

00:32:00.140 You can do that. 0.98

00:32:01.220 Jake lucky, Jake sucky, Jake frick. 0.99

00:32:04.760 Okay, fair. 0.98

00:32:05.540 Go ahead. 1.00

00:32:06.160 Damn, bro. 1.00

00:32:07.300 Give me an answer, Aiden. 1.00

00:32:08.120 Give me an answer.

00:32:08.900 Come on.

00:32:09.780 So is that-

00:32:10.320 I just told you.

00:32:10.760 No, I just told you.

00:32:11.300 That's my response.

00:32:11.840 I don't have a brother.

00:32:12.780 I think that person who did that is weird.

00:32:14.220 That is wild.

00:32:15.240 And it is true, bro.

00:32:16.880 What do you mean if?

00:32:17.780 It is not weird.

00:32:18.640 I was going to say, I'm just going to say, it's sad that I had to say if true.

00:32:21.580 I just wanted to-

00:32:21.860 You know, if Twitter wasn't a thing and the social media thing weren't a thing, Jake, I

00:32:25.320 really feel like you and I can conversate and get along.

00:32:27.600 But the thing is, you're-

00:32:29.240 Thank you, Trey.

00:32:30.200 I think, sorry. 1.00

00:32:31.300 I really think that this shit really got you fucked up, bro. 1.00

00:32:33.580 I get it. 1.00

00:32:33.920 It's your job.

00:32:34.300 I understand, bro. 0.99

00:32:35.040 But it's like, you can't even say the word fuck. 0.99

00:32:37.540 Think about that. 0.99

00:32:38.460 Can I say one thing?

00:32:39.940 To be fair, wait, Aiden.

00:32:41.440 Can I just say one thing? 1.00

00:32:42.720 Behind closed doors, do you say fuck? 1.00

00:32:44.740 Don't just, you don't have to- 1.00

00:32:45.820 Okay, that's a good question.

00:32:46.960 Yeah.

00:32:47.900 Off camera, in real life.

00:32:49.320 This is a different story for a different time.

00:32:51.480 No, I don't.

00:32:52.220 But like, it's just whatever.

00:32:54.440 If he doesn't, then that's fair if he doesn't want to say it, right?

00:32:57.860 But if he does-

00:32:59.020 Guys, this is not a big-

00:33:00.040 Why are we talking about this? 0.97

00:33:01.380 Because it's fucking important. 0.99

00:33:04.580 Fucking important. 1.00

00:33:06.220 Keyword, fucking. 1.00

00:33:08.560 Can I move on? 1.00

00:33:09.620 Yeah.

00:33:09.820 Let me ask you this real quick, actually.

00:33:10.960 No, let me ask him this. 1.00

00:33:13.320 Do you like pussy? 1.00

00:33:16.520 I've been- 1.00

00:33:17.300 I'm just here to interview Aiden. 1.00

00:33:18.600 But I'm saying, do you like pussy? 1.00

00:33:19.820 I'm going to ask you some questions. 1.00

00:33:20.980 Do you like pussy? 1.00

00:33:24.800 I love pussy. 1.00

00:33:26.220 I love pussy too, Trey. 1.00

00:33:27.520 Does he like pussy? 1.00

00:33:29.380 Well, if you like dick, that's okay. 1.00

00:33:31.500 Yeah, we're cool with that. 1.00

00:33:32.720 We're not trying to assume that you love pussy. 1.00

00:33:34.720 Yeah, I don't want to assume it. 1.00

00:33:35.840 Well, I guess we are assuming. 1.00

00:33:37.120 But you could like dick. 1.00

00:33:38.220 That's fine too. 1.00

00:33:38.800 Or you could like neither.

00:33:40.060 But we're just kind of asking, is it a neither? 1.00

00:33:42.140 Is it a dick? 1.00

00:33:42.620 Is it a pussy? 1.00

00:33:43.080 Is this uncomfortable for you? 1.00

00:33:44.040 If it is, then give us an answer.

00:33:45.540 Are you uncomfortable?

00:33:47.200 No, I feel great.

00:33:48.700 Oh, so answer the question. 1.00

00:33:50.080 Pussy or penis? 1.00

00:33:50.660 I mean, pussy or penis? 1.00

00:33:51.980 No, no, no. 1.00

00:33:52.400 I wouldn't say pussy or penis. 1.00

00:33:53.320 That's not fair. 1.00

00:33:54.340 Pussy? 1.00

00:33:54.580 Okay. 1.00

00:33:55.460 Do you like pussy? 1.00

00:33:56.100 It could be a yes or no. 1.00

00:33:56.920 Yeah, just answer it.

00:33:57.680 I say no.

00:33:58.280 He might not want to, you know, if he likes, you know, you know what, don't answer.

00:34:01.020 Train, he's going to lose his sponsors if he answers.

00:34:03.180 Let's just, you know, come on.

00:34:04.940 Go ahead.

00:34:06.100 Next question.

00:34:07.280 Aiden.

00:34:08.600 Yes.

00:34:10.180 How old do you think your average viewer is?

00:34:13.700 I don't know.

00:34:14.600 How old are you guys?

00:34:17.000 Let's see.

00:34:17.540 Well, they're going to troll now because I asked it like that.

00:34:19.820 I would honestly say, bro, above the age of 16 and 17 up.

00:34:25.260 I would say the average is probably in the 20s, like 20-ish, 21, 22.

00:34:29.940 Probably.

00:34:30.260 In the 20s?

00:34:30.940 I believe so, yes.

00:34:34.100 Train, you don't think so?

00:34:36.540 Lawyer?

00:34:37.020 Lawyer?

00:34:37.480 Has something to say?

00:34:38.320 You don't think so?

00:34:39.480 Well, technically, it can't be proven because people could lie about their age or whatever the

00:34:44.120 So, I can't say, but let's just say my community is in the average of 20s, mid-20s.

00:34:50.480 So, I don't know if...

00:34:51.480 Train, train, train, everyone.

00:34:53.400 Train, let me just say one thing.

00:34:54.600 Everyone that I have in Discord, always for talent shows and stuff, they're all over 18 0.55

00:34:58.100 every single time.

00:34:58.780 I drive random people every time.

00:35:00.100 I might get one 14, 15-year-old, they get disconnected like that.

00:35:02.840 My viewers, I mean, they're older now than they were a year or two ago.

00:35:08.800 Okay, I believe that.

00:35:10.080 No, really.

00:35:10.640 They're growing up.

00:35:12.800 Awesome, man.

00:35:13.420 You know, it's a...

00:35:14.880 I guess...

00:35:16.120 Now that I'm more...

00:35:16.820 I'm thinking about it, right?

00:35:17.700 Like, obviously, that can become a clip.

00:35:19.900 And it's like, majority of streamers probably have a close age gap within a few years.

00:35:24.620 That's not true.

00:35:25.540 I think Speed has the youngest fan base out of me, Kai, and Speed, and Bruce, and your

00:35:30.320 age and stuff, and Gideon.

00:35:31.860 I think Speed has the youngest for sure.

00:35:34.580 I don't know.

00:35:35.660 I just...

00:35:36.320 That's a fair statement, I think.

00:35:37.560 Yeah.

00:35:38.020 Yeah.

00:35:39.160 But, I don't know.

00:35:40.300 Like I said, bro, I believe that...

00:35:42.300 I do think most streamers have a young audience.

00:35:45.060 I think it tailors towards young.

00:35:47.860 That's...

00:35:48.260 I would say mine is honestly...

00:35:49.840 I would say mine is getting older, though.

00:35:52.420 I really am telling you.

00:35:53.240 I don't have a lot of young people watching me anymore.

00:35:55.240 I think the important thing is this.

00:35:58.460 Like, whether they are or aren't, I think the important...

00:36:01.120 The better question is, is the content that you're putting out, are you trying to cater

00:36:06.080 toward younger people, or are you trying to cater toward your own age group, right?

00:36:10.080 That's the better question, in my opinion.

00:36:11.800 I would say my own age group, bro.

00:36:13.680 I've been doing things that, like...

00:36:16.020 Like, I don't know, bro.

00:36:16.700 I've been doing things that, like, people have lately not...

00:36:19.340 My own community has not been liking lately.

00:36:21.280 And they know that my core is not the content I've been putting out lately.

00:36:24.060 Like, podcasting and talking about certain things and all these topics.

00:36:27.880 I'm trying to really cater towards more of the older people, the people that are more

00:36:30.960 mature and grown.

00:36:32.520 That's just what I've been on.

00:36:34.080 I like doing that more, and it's something I like enjoying more, putting out.

00:36:38.600 So...

00:36:38.880 I guess what I was getting at was, do you feel responsibility, like, knowing that at least

00:36:42.660 part of your audience...

00:36:43.860 I think some might argue a big part of your audience is young, younger than you.

00:36:48.500 Do you ever feel, like, a responsibility?

00:36:50.200 And that's a great question from Train, too.

00:36:51.880 Like, not the...

00:36:52.600 Yeah, of course.

00:36:53.500 Or them, or your own, but do you ever feel a responsibility of what you're putting out

00:36:56.160 there, then?

00:36:56.540 Like, that could influence a lot of people, a lot of impressionable people.

00:36:59.940 For sure, bro.

00:37:00.720 I've learned throughout my career of certain stuff that I've done and, you know, certain

00:37:06.660 things, but I think if you're...

00:37:08.260 I think it's the parents' fault if, you know, if they're not of age to be able to be influenced

00:37:13.460 and stuff.

00:37:13.840 I really do look for parents.

00:37:15.240 I mean, at my stream, whenever I'm doing certain things that require a certain age, I'm always

00:37:20.300 putting 18-plus stuff.

00:37:21.480 I kind of already answered this question, though, you know?

00:37:23.960 We already talked about it earlier.

00:37:27.520 But, yeah, that's...

00:37:28.240 Don't answer?

00:37:28.620 I mean, that's what I said, you know?

00:37:31.380 We talked about parents training.

00:37:33.100 I remember you spoke on it.

00:37:35.080 Yeah.

00:37:35.200 I think what falls on the streamer is...

00:37:40.440 I think one of the only responsibilities that falls on the streamer is to always be transparent,

00:37:45.660 you know, to not mislead, right?

00:37:48.520 So, you know, those kind of things are important, right?

00:37:51.820 So, let's say for gambling, for example, right?

00:37:53.740 For me.

00:37:54.280 I've always been known to have an older...

00:37:56.520 One of the oldest, actually, demographics on all of Twitch, and I'm sure on Kik as well.

00:38:02.220 But still, I think it's the streamer's responsibility to not mislead, not sell a false reality, right?

00:38:08.020 To be transparent about all these things.

00:38:09.800 That's what falls on the responsibility of the streamer.

00:38:12.040 As far as who's watching, I think that falls on the responsibility of the parents.

00:38:16.020 Do you understand?

00:38:16.600 Because we get into a real slippery slope once we start saying,

00:38:20.200 Oh, well, there's a 12-year-old watching.

00:38:21.680 So, where do we stop that, Jake?

00:38:23.560 Like, do we stop it at, you know, politics?

00:38:26.560 At, you know, a hot tub streamer?

00:38:28.460 Like, where does the line get drawn?

00:38:30.040 Because the problem is, if we set a standard for one thing, right?

00:38:34.620 You know damn well, the next thing comes up.

00:38:37.220 Then the next thing, the next thing. 1.00

00:38:38.160 Then the next thing you know, we're on a platform where you can only sit there and read fucking church sermon. 0.99

00:38:43.580 And even then, it'll be like, wait a second. 0.99

00:38:46.880 I don't want my 12-year-old watching a Christianity video. 0.99

00:38:49.920 What if my 12-year-old's Muslim?

00:38:51.320 What if my 12-year-old is, you know, something else?

00:38:53.540 So, like, where does it end?

00:38:54.760 There has to be something where the parents take responsibility of how they raise their kid. 0.99

00:38:58.260 On top of that, I remember the shit that I saw when I was younger. 1.00

00:39:01.140 This idea that because I see Aiden doing something, I'm going to become that person, it is just such bullshit. 1.00

00:39:07.200 It's virtue signaling trash from creators who are trying to hold back other creators that don't fit their mold and aren't giving them a piece. 0.99

00:39:14.260 Because realistically, bro, the responsibility is in the parent to raise their kid right.

00:39:19.340 So if the kid sees something, they can make their own decisions once they're old enough. 0.97

00:39:22.800 The shit that I saw, if I turned out based on what I saw when I was 14 years old, right? 1.00

00:39:28.060 Bro, God knows what the fuck I'd be. 1.00

00:39:30.120 But my parents raised me right, so I gathered everything I witnessed, everything I saw, and I made my own decisions when I became old enough. 1.00

00:39:36.600 So this idea that, you know, if someone watches Aiden at 12, they're going to become this fucking crazy extremist villain at fucking 22, it is bullshit. 1.00

00:39:44.620 It is such bullshit. 1.00

00:39:45.460 Yeah, and I want to add on, Trey, thank you for that. 0.99

00:39:46.940 I want to add on. 1.00

00:39:47.500 What about rappers that rap about fucking bitches and selling drugs and shit? 1.00

00:39:53.420 Like, when I was 14, you know, when I was 12, I had a PSP, and I listened to Get Rich or Die Trying and Eminem all the fucking time, all day. 1.00

00:40:00.300 Like, I didn't become a drug dealer and do drugs and hate my mom, like, and cleaning out my closet, Eminem said. 0.89

00:40:05.360 And I didn't do all these things. 1.00

00:40:06.760 And look at Ice Spice and Cardi B and all these rappers talking about, ooh, I want to, ooh, look at my fat ass. 1.00

00:40:12.240 Oh, my God, I want to dance to this pole naked. 1.00

00:40:14.300 And, oh, my God, look at my ass. 1.00

00:40:15.820 Oh, my God, fuck me. 1.00

00:40:16.680 Oh, my God, I'm going to fuck you and then rob you. 1.00

00:40:18.840 And then, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:40:19.540 Like, I don't, you know, so it's the same thing.

00:40:22.140 You know, hold people responsible if you're going to on all levels, not just this.

00:40:26.380 You should start saying Frick more.

00:40:27.840 I think you'd enjoy it.

00:40:28.700 I think it might catch with you.

00:40:29.980 I'm good off that.

00:40:31.400 I'm a realist.

00:40:32.180 I'm me.

00:40:32.640 I'm authentic. 0.98

00:40:33.440 I'm allowed to say whatever the fuck I want. 0.97

00:40:35.220 Like, there's two genders, Mr. Lucky. 0.99

00:40:37.800 I think the devil's advocate to all that and the counter that, you know, that your lawyer has been this whole time would be that when it comes to streamers,

00:40:46.680 a lot of these kids are watching their favorite streamers for four, six, eight hours a day.

00:40:51.080 They're watching you every single day as opposed to just one music video.

00:40:54.480 So I think it's fair to say that they're impressionable to the point where your humor, maybe your lifestyle,

00:40:59.880 maybe all these things that you do might have greater influence on these kids than a rapper would.

00:41:05.600 You have greater influence.

00:41:07.220 Want to hear the bass take?

00:41:09.080 Let's go.

00:41:10.100 I'll give you a bass response to that.

00:41:11.620 In my opinion, it's bass and it's way ahead of this time. 0.83

00:41:13.600 If you want to get to the real damaging shit mentally and psychologically, I think this idea that we've perpetuated in the streaming world that we are role models, 0.90

00:41:20.980 we need to act perfect and robotic causes way, far more psychological damage and drama because we look at these streamers, 0.98

00:41:27.620 especially younger impressionable audiences, and say, wait a second, I'm not that.

00:41:31.060 I have these feelings.

00:41:32.100 These feelings aren't normal because this person doesn't have them.

00:41:34.340 Oh, this person's perfect.

00:41:35.320 This person doesn't cuss, doesn't do this, doesn't do this, doesn't do that.

00:41:37.380 And suddenly, people start not liking themselves and start hating themselves because they think that is what a human should be.

00:41:41.880 But in reality, that is not what a human should be.

00:41:43.900 These perfect robotic showings of streamers lead to sadness, misery.

00:41:50.220 This is why those streamers are miserable and sad all the time.

00:41:53.540 They don't stream.

00:41:53.980 They take three-month breaks at a time, four hours a month streaming. 1.00

00:41:56.520 It is fucking. 1.00

00:41:57.480 And they're on. 1.00

00:41:57.820 Because I'm telling you.

00:41:58.140 There's nothing wrong with it.

00:41:59.300 But, and they're on a lot, you know, they're on antidepressants and they do things to numb their pain and stuff.

00:42:03.700 And look, there's nothing wrong.

00:42:04.720 I have family members that are on that too.

00:42:05.820 I'm just saying.

00:42:06.540 I wouldn't go to those areas, bro.

00:42:08.420 But I'm not attacking you.

00:42:09.780 All I'm saying is this.

00:42:10.600 I know you're not.

00:42:11.160 I know you're not.

00:42:11.620 I'm not.

00:42:12.420 But what I was going to say was, you know, let's not try to idolize everyone.

00:42:17.380 You know what I'm trying to say? 0.99

00:42:18.000 Like, it's just, it's setting a standard to idolize streamers when reality, bro, we're really fucked up. 0.97

00:42:25.780 You know, I'm not a normal person. 1.00

00:42:27.720 I'm fucked up. 1.00

00:42:28.580 Yeah, but you have to be careful of using that to rationalize and justify stupid behavior, right? 1.00

00:42:32.240 At the end of the day, like, you can't say I'm fucked up and then go do fucked up shit and say, oh, I'm human, right? 1.00

00:42:36.740 So there's two sides. 1.00

00:42:37.840 There has to be a happy medium between the two, right?

00:42:40.020 I do think the extreme ideology of these sponsors that sponsor streamers that are perfect robotics, smile on their face all the time. 0.99

00:42:48.400 They don't say fuck this. 0.99

00:42:49.360 They don't ever do anything with their friends. 0.99

00:42:51.340 They're always like, hey, how are you?

00:42:52.520 Are you having a good day?

00:42:53.560 Yes, I am.

00:42:54.140 That is not human.

00:42:55.580 That is not realistic.

00:42:56.540 It's setting a standard that no human will ever meet. 0.99

00:42:59.200 And people, I think that causes more psychological damage and trauma than Aiden pulling up a fucking Pornhub site on the fucking page. 0.99

00:43:05.380 And I don't see any coverage on that. 0.99

00:43:06.720 Why?

00:43:06.940 Because we're not there as a society to see that damage yet.

00:43:09.040 Because that damage, it's not something you can see.

00:43:11.380 That happens beyond the scenes.

00:43:12.440 There's no actual data on that. 0.99

00:43:13.580 It's something that you know is happening from experience yourself in real life when you're reviewing that kind of shit, right? 0.98

00:43:19.120 I think we should get to a time where sponsors say, you know what? 1.00

00:43:25.160 Let's, you know, maybe we don't sponsor someone that's extreme and says crazy shit all the time. 0.91

00:43:29.120 But should we really push out this idea that human beings are this perfect robotic thing? 0.97

00:43:33.660 Like, think about, like, what that is saying to younger people who are, by the way, at their most vulnerable when it comes to self-identity.

00:43:40.680 And you could use that argument and say, oh, well, they're impressionable and they're watching Aiden do this.

00:43:43.880 That's when it comes down to parents, though, right?

00:43:45.960 That's when it moves – that's the line where I believe it moves the parents to properly raise their child, know what they're doing at all times.

00:43:51.700 And obviously, we can go further down to this argument, you know, at another time.

00:43:56.700 It's kind of a lengthy one.

00:43:57.560 It's a very lengthy one.

00:43:58.760 It's going to take, like, two, three hours.

00:44:00.060 But it does also go – thank you for saying that.

00:44:03.200 It does go both ways.

00:44:03.940 Like, can I ask you a question?

00:44:05.420 And I love Lizzo, but, like, why is she worshiped but she's, like, you know, like, obese?

00:44:13.580 What?

00:44:13.940 What's – what?

00:44:15.780 I'm your lawyer on this.

00:44:17.900 What?

00:44:20.560 I'm like, well, I'm actually asking a genuine question.

00:44:23.140 No, I'm asking – I'm not trying to – I'm not trying to – I mean, for real, train.

00:44:26.140 Like, what's the –

00:44:26.940 Can you guys debate this while I go pee?

00:44:28.120 Am I allowed to go pee?

00:44:28.940 Yeah, go ahead.

00:44:29.460 I want to ask a turn about it.

00:44:30.340 Go pee.

00:44:30.900 Am I cool?

00:44:31.560 Wait, how old are you?

00:44:33.760 Me?

00:44:34.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:35.160 32.

00:44:36.160 Oh, you're my age.

00:44:37.300 I got a small bladder, too, so –

00:44:38.720 Let's take a look at those thighs, boy. 1.00

00:44:40.720 Yeah, yeah, stand up.

00:44:41.980 Yo, really train? 0.99

00:44:43.940 Bro, what the fuck does Lizzo – bro, what does worshiped and being obese have to do with anything? 0.98

00:44:49.000 No, I'm not – and again, I'm not fat-shaming. 0.99

00:44:51.460 I don't – I guess I should –

00:44:52.600 No, you can fat-shame.

00:44:53.400 That's fine.

00:44:53.720 I guess I should just use – I guess I should use Cardi B as an example.

00:44:56.480 Oh, her being worshiped because of her music or whatever is fine.

00:45:02.200 Her being obese has nothing to do with that, right? 1.00

00:45:04.540 Like, now, if people want to say, oh, being obese is fine, like, love bodies that are obese, yeah, I think that's fucking stupid, and that's the exact extreme ideology that is just fucking – it's dumb, right? 1.00

00:45:15.040 Like, that's an unhealthy lifestyle. 0.99

00:45:16.880 Now, if it's a medical condition, you can't control your weight, then that's a different story. 0.97

00:45:20.280 But if you're sitting there justifying eating pounds of fucking McDonald's hamburgers all the time saying, oh, we'll love your body, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I think that's fucking irresponsible, and that's manipulating today's movements, right? 0.96

00:45:30.800 That are pushing for equality and acceptance of all humans. 0.99

00:45:33.660 But this idea that she can't be worshiped because she's fat is ridiculous, and you have to be very careful because you can easily get discredited and destroyed in an argument for that. 0.94

00:45:41.500 Does that make sense? 0.94

00:45:42.600 Yeah, thanks, Trey.

00:45:46.440 That's why I have you here. 0.99

00:45:50.120 Bro, like, every time you're up and you're doing something right, you say some dumbass shit like that. 0.99

00:45:55.200 All right, let me substitute the argument, then, okay? 0.99

00:45:58.640 You're right.

00:45:59.340 You're right.

00:46:00.180 Cardi B, for example, okay?

00:46:02.000 Okay. 1.00

00:46:03.040 Like, again, she's doing what she's got to do, but women, like, obviously look at her and they, like, you know, you know, they want to, like, beat Cardi B and shit and shake ass and shit. 1.00

00:46:13.720 Cool. 0.99

00:46:16.040 But isn't that kind of being a bad influence on, like, kind of like that argument, like, people say that he says that, like, younger people watch me, younger people probably listen to music, Cardi B's music, and they watch and they want to, like, shake ass just like her. 0.95

00:46:27.160 Yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, that proves that they're hypocrites and they only hold people that, right? 0.93

00:46:35.020 Like, all this stuff comes, bro.

00:46:36.780 But I'm saying, is that better than the Lizzo one or no?

00:46:39.680 What I just said, is that better than the Lizzo argument?

00:46:42.900 I get what you're trying to say.

00:46:47.220 So, like, yeah, I guess so.

00:46:48.340 But it's just like, you're just saying, like, she sexualizes herself all the time, right?

00:46:52.460 Yeah.

00:46:52.780 So, like, in certain contexts, people justify their sexualization because it's empowerment, but then in other contexts, you're doing it to young people, so it's weird, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:47:00.820 Yeah.

00:47:01.160 There's definitely some...

00:47:01.680 Yo, really, dude?

00:47:02.980 Jake Lucky, come on, bro.

00:47:06.400 Sorry, I didn't know the camera was on. 0.99

00:47:08.300 Damn, bro. 0.99

00:47:08.700 Think about this. 1.00

00:47:09.340 If I was a news reporter, I could say, Jake Lucky bashing Aiden...

00:47:13.340 Right.

00:47:13.400 Hold on, wait, wait. 1.00

00:47:13.980 Jake Lucky bashing Aiden Roth for showing tits and ass to young viewers. 1.00

00:47:19.100 Jake Lucky shows his ass knowing it's a younger audience. 1.00

00:47:22.720 That is just weird. 1.00

00:47:24.980 No, literally. 0.96

00:47:26.080 Oh, frick. 0.98

00:47:26.740 Are you... 1.00

00:47:27.580 Dude, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. 1.00

00:47:30.620 Come on. 1.00

00:47:31.740 Have some fun with it. 1.00

00:47:33.280 Bro, I promise when he was taking a piss, he's like, fuck, this feels good. 1.00

00:47:36.300 I know. 1.00

00:47:37.460 For sure, bro. 1.00

00:47:38.560 He was just like, oh, fuck. 1.00

00:47:41.840 Okay, I'm gonna hit some fast fire questions. 1.00

00:47:43.660 Is that cool?

00:47:44.720 Sure.

00:47:44.860 Are we allowed to expand on the whole steak and kick stuff or no?

00:47:49.800 But what are you talking about?

00:47:50.840 Wait a second.

00:47:51.520 Wait a second.

00:47:52.140 I know what happened.

00:47:53.520 What?

00:47:54.120 I know what happened.

00:47:55.440 What happened to you?

00:47:56.200 I mean, I could be completely schizo and paranoid here. 0.92

00:48:02.160 Some people pulled you over, huh?

00:48:03.560 Hey, Jake, Jake.

00:48:04.460 No, I got a list.

00:48:04.980 Come over here.

00:48:05.900 I got a list.

00:48:06.360 I got a list.

00:48:06.660 I got a list. 0.99

00:48:07.300 Say you got to take a piss. 0.94

00:48:08.500 Say you got to take a piss. 0.65

00:48:08.920 I have a small bladder and a list. 0.81

00:48:11.520 Expand on this, brother.

00:48:12.680 Expand on this.

00:48:13.480 Say this.

00:48:13.940 Say this.

00:48:14.260 We got some messages right now.

00:48:15.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:16.320 Say this, this, this, this, this.

00:48:17.600 You can just say no.

00:48:18.620 I have a list right here.

00:48:20.120 You ding ding?

00:48:21.220 No, we called you a ding ding train. 0.63

00:48:24.460 You can't take it.

00:48:26.280 It's okay, bro.

00:48:27.200 It's okay.

00:48:27.640 He says ding ding. 1.00

00:48:28.400 I say dickhead. 0.97

00:48:29.420 Can you at all expand on that partnership between steak and kick? 0.98

00:48:33.680 And if not, that's totally cool.

00:48:35.160 No, it's pretty simple.

00:48:36.060 Um, um, um, so kick and kick and steak are two, are two separate businesses, right?

00:48:41.100 But the investors of, you know, steak are invested in kick, right?

00:48:45.920 A big investment in, uh, kick.

00:48:48.720 So yeah, there are, uh, a steak owner is invested in kick.

00:48:55.920 Gotcha.

00:48:56.580 Thank you.

00:48:56.900 To a large degree.

00:48:57.660 Yes.

00:48:58.580 And then, so real quick, totally backtracking as well.

00:49:02.960 Earlier, I think train, you also mentioned, and this is back on the Twitch thing, Aiden,

00:49:07.820 this could also bring you in as well.

00:49:09.640 You don't got to touch on it.

00:49:10.340 You don't got to touch on it.

00:49:11.480 You mentioned, and I know you guys got a lot to say.

00:49:13.260 We were, I was going to hop into this later when I said kick versus Twitch, but you said

00:49:16.300 like Twitch teachers, pets.

00:49:18.760 Yes.

00:49:19.280 Oh, the train's about to go crazy.

00:49:21.400 Yes.

00:49:22.260 Don't got to expand on it, but I'm just curious what you mean by that.

00:49:25.120 And Aiden, you can obviously chime in too.

00:49:26.560 You know what he means, but go ahead and do that.

00:49:28.840 What I mean is this, okay?

00:49:30.000 Here's what I mean, okay?

00:49:32.040 What I mean is these, these streamers, right?

00:49:36.440 The contracted ones that you see all the time.

00:49:38.660 Who are the teachers, pets, chat?

00:49:39.960 Name them.

00:49:40.520 Like everything's perfect.

00:49:41.620 Name the streamers, chat.

00:49:43.260 Right?

00:49:45.140 They do things for show.

00:49:47.020 So, for example, right, they'll band together and for the clicks and the clout, say, hey,

00:49:53.080 let's, let's all boycott our, uh, our ad revenue for the highest ad month and boycott Twitch.

00:49:59.720 And if they don't ban gambling, we don't stream.

00:50:02.560 They'll do these things knowing damn well that that's, that they gain from the popular opinion.

00:50:07.700 But when it comes to real issues, such as creator splits, such as the smaller and mid-sized

00:50:12.480 creators, do you see them boycotting their, uh, uh, protected Twitch contracts?

00:50:16.520 Do you see them boycotting their, uh, highest ad months? 0.98

00:50:19.000 No, because they don't actually give a fuck. 0.89

00:50:20.500 They'll only do it if they get maximum, uh, clout and likes from something that they know 0.99

00:50:25.880 the public hates.

00:50:26.740 But when it comes to real issues, such as splits, money, uh, uh, the ad incentive programs,

00:50:31.800 poor rates, these things, do you see them banding together and, uh, boycotting Twitch?

00:50:36.900 Nope.

00:50:38.220 These are the teacher's pets.

00:50:39.780 Do you understand? 1.00

00:50:40.380 It's all for fucking show. 0.99

00:50:41.540 There's no consistency in any of their, uh, between what, what they preach and their, their 0.99

00:50:45.380 actual actions.

00:50:46.880 And that's what I mean. 0.97

00:50:47.880 It's just a big fucking monopoly of people trying to mold other people into content that 0.98

00:50:53.680 they themselves can get a piece of. 0.99

00:50:55.440 And if they cannot, they will villainize, they will vilify you.

00:50:58.180 And that's what we saw in the beginning stages with Aiden, Kai, Bruce, uh, your rage and speed.

00:51:02.940 You saw them come in, these guys refuse to give them a piece, refuse to join their kingdom

00:51:08.300 they've created.

00:51:09.320 And what do we see in the first three months?

00:51:11.620 A war, a war that set out to ruin Aiden, to ruin Bruce, to ruin Kai, to destroy them,

00:51:17.460 to de-platform them, to remove them from Twitch.

00:51:20.080 This is the kind of monopolization that's happening if you don't fit into a certain mold

00:51:24.100 and Twitch backs it, whether it's malicious or whether it's unintentional and Twitch is just

00:51:27.780 naive.

00:51:28.180 I don't know.

00:51:29.100 I can't comment on that.

00:51:30.540 What has Kai done?

00:51:32.940 It's not about, it's not about what Kai's done.

00:51:35.080 It's about that war that broke off between the Poggers community and the W and L community, 0.97

00:51:39.620 right?

00:51:40.940 Cause I, I just see from my perspective, like Kai is doing incredible and he hasn't done

00:51:44.420 I'm referring to the beginning stages, brother, the beginning stages.

00:51:46.640 And let's, and, and let's touch up on that.

00:51:48.780 Kai has been doing incredible.

00:51:50.380 So where is his $10 million a year contract?

00:51:52.780 Where is his true ad split ad revenue?

00:51:55.820 Where's lots?

00:51:56.880 I might have to have you back on a separate time because I think we could talk about everything

00:52:00.440 you bring up for a lot longer.

00:52:01.960 However, is it fair to say that these, these deals have, we probably shouldn't, we shouldn't

00:52:06.640 die.

00:52:07.020 Do it. 1.00

00:52:07.560 Come on.

00:52:08.380 But you're asking about my deals.

00:52:09.980 Ask about, talk about the deals.

00:52:11.220 You're asking about my personal.

00:52:12.380 If you guys are cool with time.

00:52:13.480 Yeah.

00:52:13.920 Come on.

00:52:14.540 I want to focus on 80 and interview.

00:52:16.180 So yeah.

00:52:16.640 But you want to talk about deals.

00:52:17.720 Let's talk about everyone's deals.

00:52:18.580 Come on.

00:52:19.260 Okay.

00:52:19.600 So from my perspective, these streamer deals are drying up like crazy.

00:52:23.660 I mean, if Kai had done what he did today, a year ago, two years ago, heck yeah.

00:52:28.420 I would assume he'd be set up for a really fricking hefty contract.

00:52:32.520 Ninja shroud.

00:52:33.560 Lucky with timing.

00:52:34.420 Nick Merckx.

00:52:35.280 Lucky with timing of where the space was.

00:52:37.160 And the space is not in a space where now where it, where it was then.

00:52:41.040 I wouldn't say lucky with timing because all of them just renegotiated contracts recently

00:52:45.360 and they got renewed.

00:52:46.700 If it was a lucky with timing thing, Twitch would have declined the renewals of those.

00:52:50.700 So Twitch believes.

00:52:53.040 Is Twitch.

00:52:53.360 Chad, you're not coming up and boy.

00:52:54.920 Back then.

00:52:55.860 And I don't think they are. 0.89

00:52:57.740 They're, they're not giving the big money in that sense, but they're giving ridiculous

00:53:03.720 deals to a group of people.

00:53:06.200 I think the Nick Merckx deal is fine.

00:53:08.080 I think Nick Merckx is a valuable streamer.

00:53:09.360 There's a lot of streamers that I think they should lock up that are, are, uh, beneficial

00:53:13.400 and are necessary to like keep Twitch's core going.

00:53:18.420 But I think, I think a lot of their streamers, the streamers that they do back just, these

00:53:23.460 are the teacher's pets I'm referring to.

00:53:24.600 I think that is the, uh, uh, corruption that there, there is no basis to why certain streamers

00:53:31.640 should have deals like that.

00:53:33.140 And others like Kai and, you know, Aiden at the time, obviously now he's gotten some, 0.99

00:53:37.580 into some trouble, done some stupid shit, but right. 0.99

00:53:40.980 There's no reason why these guys shouldn't have bigger deals or at least deals if they're 1.00

00:53:44.900 going to get renewed.

00:53:45.520 Well, Jake, let me ask you a question.

00:53:46.960 So Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, let me ask you one question.

00:53:50.100 Kai is the biggest streamer on Twitch.

00:53:51.720 Speed is the biggest streamer on YouTube.

00:53:53.680 They still get hit with bands.

00:53:54.960 They still get hit with all this stuff.

00:53:56.800 And here's the thing, Twitch shows fake love to Kai by tweeting at him and following him

00:54:01.800 and gifting subs.

00:54:03.800 But the real love comes where, hey, Kai, let's make sure you feel at home here.

00:54:08.140 Let's give you a multi-million dollar deal.

00:54:09.920 Make sure you know you're good and you're, and you're, and you're good and you're set

00:54:12.640 here.

00:54:13.300 Why are they not doing that?

00:54:14.440 But they're offering people who are involved in this little cult Twitch pet.

00:54:18.860 Like Train said, they care so much about Twitch and their communities, right? 0.99

00:54:22.640 And they're, and they're small streamers, but they don't ever preach that these motherfuckers 1.00

00:54:26.680 are literally getting fucked by getting 50, 50 sub deals and getting spammed with ads. 0.99

00:54:31.760 And it just doesn't make sense. 0.98

00:54:33.180 It's inconsistent.

00:54:34.120 Do you understand?

00:54:35.020 Speed doesn't have a match contract on YouTube.

00:54:36.900 He's the biggest YouTube streamer.

00:54:39.120 It just doesn't make sense.

00:54:41.080 Speed is banned on Twitch.

00:54:42.520 So the leverage is lessened.

00:54:43.880 Now I hear your point.

00:54:45.000 And I think I agree with actually a bit of what you said there.

00:54:47.620 And I think a lot of those streamers that got deals, it was a different time, but it's

00:54:51.140 also like when you think about it, okay, here's my counter to that.

00:54:55.060 I agree.

00:54:55.520 Kai should be having the biggest deal Twitch has ever offered or close to, right?

00:55:00.500 But the bigger question is now that you said that if Kai is not leaving to a platform like

00:55:05.880 kick who is offering him, I want to ask him why, what does he see in Twitch, some sort

00:55:11.580 of stability.

00:55:12.140 He obviously sees something that is worth a counter to a potentially multi tens of millions

00:55:17.820 of dollars from kick, but I, but I agree with you on that other notion too, right?

00:55:21.900 He should be getting that deal regardless.

00:55:24.200 It's actually the other, it's the other way around for the kick stuff.

00:55:27.320 Can you expand?

00:55:28.400 I can't.

00:55:30.420 Motherfricker. 1.00

00:55:31.280 It's like, if you say fuck, we'll expand. 1.00

00:55:34.200 How about that? 1.00

00:55:34.580 Can you say fuck? 1.00

00:55:35.060 No, we're not going to expand. 1.00

00:55:36.480 I know, I just, I just want to make sure he says fuck. 1.00

00:55:39.240 I want him to say fuck so bad, bro, please. 1.00

00:55:41.780 But do you understand, do you understand my point though? 1.00

00:55:43.700 If he, if Kai is not getting a deal, I'm still curious why he's not going elsewhere then.

00:55:47.800 He obviously feels like Twitch is a great place to be.

00:55:50.160 Because he doesn't have an offer yet like that.

00:55:52.040 That's why.

00:55:52.500 You're assuming that there was a kick offer on the table.

00:55:54.520 I saw the tweets train.

00:55:56.240 So I figured there was an offer maybe in the works.

00:55:59.700 In the works and on the table are two different things.

00:56:02.680 Gotcha.

00:56:03.000 So you guys are saying you don't think that kick is, sorry, you don't think Twitch is

00:56:09.580 going to offer Kai a multi-million dollar deal that he deserves?

00:56:12.460 I hope they do.

00:56:13.640 Personally, even though I'm on kick here, I hope they give Kai everything he deserves.

00:56:17.860 I hope they give him a true 50-50 ad split, not revenue, not sub-split, sorry, ad split.

00:56:24.460 As you know, it's advertised as if we all get 50-50 on ads, but it's capped at a certain

00:56:31.520 CPM, so we're not actually getting 50-50, right?

00:56:34.080 If you look at a real 50-50 ad deal for the contracted streamers, I'll give you an example,

00:56:38.840 right?

00:56:39.320 If I'm making, let's say, 40K a month on ads because of my premium deal that I have, right?

00:56:45.260 That's not a real 50-50 split on ads.

00:56:47.460 That's capped at a certain CPM value.

00:56:49.420 If you look at a real contracted streamer that has an actual contract with Twitch, right?

00:56:54.520 And you look at their ad contract, when they make 50-50, they're making 40K a stream, right?

00:57:00.480 So just on ads.

00:57:01.820 So it's like, there's a lot of things that are misleading in the contracts as is.

00:57:06.600 So I hope Kai gets a $10 million a year country, even if it means he doesn't come to kick.

00:57:10.600 I hope he gets that because that's what Twitch should be striving for.

00:57:12.940 They disconnected from the creators.

00:57:14.560 They've literally gotten way too big.

00:57:16.320 They don't care about anything other than the bottom line, which they're not even meeting anymore.

00:57:21.000 And all they do care about is locking up streamers that, in my opinion, have no business being locked up at all.

00:57:27.440 They're not doing anything.

00:57:28.320 They just fit the perfect mold Twitch wants on their magazine covers, right?

00:57:33.380 This is perfect with him peeing, though, real quick.

00:57:35.760 I had a question actually for you, too, because you find yourself in a very unique spot where you still have a huge following on Twitch

00:57:42.040 and obviously a huge following to be and obviously going to be in the future on Kick, too.

00:57:46.940 And I saw a thread the other day and they were like, man, I just feel really bad.

00:57:51.200 And I know you're going to correct this anyway, but I feel bad for Train because he is offering a potential solution to streamers

00:57:57.180 with these high splits, these high ad deals or monetary benefits for streamers that Twitch does not offer over on Kick.

00:58:03.780 But unfortunately, some streamers are clearly taking advantage of that and ruining it for what could be the masses.

00:58:11.160 So my question to you being like, how is taking on this kick deal been for you?

00:58:15.760 Like, has it been way more stressful than you expected?

00:58:18.400 Has it been way more fun than you expected?

00:58:20.040 Like, give me some details, too.

00:58:21.740 Um, well, I did say we wouldn't get into this, but I will give you that since he's peeing.

00:58:25.440 Um, I the one thing that irritates me is when I try to create a platform that has more freedom, right?

00:58:32.780 It actually looks at context.

00:58:34.000 And then people decide to come and cross lines and do things for the sake of clout and high viewership.

00:58:42.400 Who's winning, chat?

00:58:44.320 And that's what ruined it.

00:58:45.400 It's on slow-mo.

00:58:46.340 I'll take the chat on slow-mo.

00:58:47.160 Do you want to see, bro?

00:58:48.360 Chat's on slow-mo. 0.99

00:58:49.120 Say hi in the chat if you're in this bitch. 1.00

00:58:50.420 And reason and common sense, I think we could run a successful platform where people are more free. 0.97

00:58:55.760 They can put the content out that they want as long as it doesn't cross those hateful lines or those lines of nudity or whatever the hell the case is.

00:59:01.540 Unfortunately, that's not the case.

00:59:02.700 You give someone an inch, they've taken a yard thus far.

00:59:04.760 So hopefully we get to a point.

00:59:06.440 I'll release more on Twitter and update the TOS to make it a little bit more clear. 0.76

00:59:11.180 But, yeah, it definitely gets frustrating from time to time when I see people coming here and thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want.

00:59:17.320 And they cross those lines every day for views, clicks, and clout. 0.73

00:59:21.140 Yeah, great answer.

00:59:22.820 We back to it, though, boys, huh?

00:59:24.220 Yeah, let's do it.

00:59:25.200 Uh-huh.

00:59:25.500 What you got?

00:59:26.840 I got lots.

00:59:28.280 This has been great.

00:59:29.460 And thanks for actually taking the time.

00:59:31.340 I actually did not expect a response on all this.

00:59:33.080 So just a quick thanks to both of you all for hopping on.

00:59:35.040 I do appreciate it.

00:59:35.900 I know we've had our differences, but I think people can appreciate the expansion on all these topics because it is a very interesting time to be a streamer, a creator in this space, you know?

00:59:44.800 So with that being said, again, obviously, everything I say from here on out, you guys can just say no comment, whatever.

00:59:52.880 The streaming of the Super Bowl stuff was pretty freaking wild, huh?

00:59:56.780 Are you guys allowed to talk on it?

00:59:58.800 I spoke to Jax and Mahomes, okay?

01:00:02.820 Give me permission.

01:00:05.420 Nice.

01:00:06.300 That's the TikTok guy, right?

01:00:09.160 No comment.

01:00:10.100 No, I'm kidding.

01:00:10.820 Trey, that's my lawyer.

01:00:12.300 So he can, he can, uh, yeah, the watching of anything will not be tolerated.

01:00:18.940 DMCA laws do exist and they will be enforced.

01:00:22.480 So have that common sense if it's ever happened.

01:00:25.800 And it clearly was, um, because there was a special circumstance in that scenario.

01:00:31.500 Um, beyond that, that's as much as I can give you.

01:00:35.400 So you can't explain what that special circumstance was?

01:00:39.120 No.

01:00:39.640 Uh, was this all just a big marketing ploy and it somehow worked out?

01:00:45.780 Definitely not.

01:00:46.640 I have, uh, believe me, my marketing ploys go way, way deeper than, uh, something as, you know, simple.

01:00:54.020 Chat, be nice, bro.

01:00:55.540 That.

01:00:56.100 Chat, stop spitting. 1.00

01:00:57.100 He's gay, bro. 1.00

01:00:57.820 Chill out, bro. 0.98

01:00:58.720 Uh, this is back to Aiden.

01:01:01.120 Do you, uh, do you ever think you've been canceled?

01:01:04.300 Yeah.

01:01:07.480 When?

01:01:07.880 All the time, for like four years.

01:01:12.380 So what, like, what does being canceled mean to you then?

01:01:15.020 You tell me.

01:01:15.760 I don't believe in it.

01:01:16.880 I don't believe in it either.

01:01:18.440 Oh.

01:01:19.220 That's actually the first thing you've said that I've actually respected about you.

01:01:23.140 Nothing else?

01:01:23.900 Not even the frick?

01:01:24.740 Uh, man.

01:01:26.640 No, but I do, I do like the shorts.

01:01:28.780 I do like the shorts.

01:01:30.520 Thanks.

01:01:31.020 All right.

01:01:31.360 We can.

01:01:31.800 Genuinely.

01:01:32.920 Pretty nice thighs too.

01:01:34.160 You know, I don't mean to get weird, but those are pretty nice thighs.

01:01:36.680 I, but no, man, I, I enjoy the quadriceps too.

01:01:39.820 Go ahead.

01:01:40.900 Um, I, like, like I said, bro, I think being canceled is so miss.

01:01:47.960 That word.

01:01:48.660 Train, tell me about that word.

01:01:50.880 Uh, sorry.

01:01:51.480 I wasn't listening.

01:01:52.000 I was looking at, uh, his quadricep muscle right there.

01:01:54.260 That's just bulging.

01:01:55.040 That's a nice little, oof.

01:01:58.720 Yeah.

01:01:59.120 Yeah.

01:01:59.380 Train, you're making him uncomfy, bro.

01:02:00.820 Look at him.

01:02:01.420 He's a little bit scared now.

01:02:03.500 Now, look.

01:02:04.460 Um.

01:02:05.940 Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:02:07.360 Oh, sorry.

01:02:08.060 Stutter.

01:02:08.740 I was just going to say, bro.

01:02:10.620 I've been, I've been, I've been canceled a lot throughout my career, right?

01:02:13.220 Quote unquote canceled. 0.84

01:02:14.580 Um, I don't, I don't fuck with it because I think if you make a mistake, Jake, I think 0.64

01:02:18.080 if you're a person and you do something that like you actually like are in the wrong for, 0.95

01:02:22.540 I don't think you should be deplatformed.

01:02:23.700 I don't think you should be getting sent a bunch of people to completely try to ruin

01:02:27.240 and bash you. 0.86

01:02:28.280 I think you should just correct, be corrected. 0.57

01:02:31.340 I think that's what needs to be, um, uh, happen, right?

01:02:35.620 I think, I think being corrected is more important than being deplatformed and canceled.

01:02:39.180 You know what I mean?

01:02:39.680 So, um, yeah, but I, I do find it extremely hypocritical from the, uh, so cancellation

01:02:46.900 definitely came from, uh, an obvious political side, right?

01:02:50.880 Um, or an obvious political affiliation.

01:02:54.100 And it, it, it's, it's funny to me because it's, cancellation has been perverted and

01:02:59.160 manipulated in my opinion, right? 0.97

01:03:00.920 These are the same people that preach and push for the rehabilitation of fucking serial 1.00

01:03:05.420 killers that are in prison, right? 1.00

01:03:07.540 Yet that rehabilitation stops there.

01:03:13.280 Where's the rehabilitation in a streamer who acts, who says something and gets corrected?

01:03:18.300 Where's the rehabilitation in making a mistake on stream that is nowhere close to that of

01:03:23.920 people who are in prison for murder, right?

01:03:26.220 So it's funny how these values don't follow the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the goal

01:03:30.380 post is moved for each context, uh, conveniently, uh, uh, based on what outcome that they want.

01:03:37.360 Right.

01:03:37.700 So at the end of the day, I agree with Aiden.

01:03:39.480 I think what we should push for is rehabilitation and teaching rather than cancellation.

01:03:43.820 But Jake, and I want to add in trade, Jake, your platform is to literally cancel people.

01:03:49.820 You just said you don't believe in cancel culture, but your platform.

01:03:51.860 I don't, I don't, that's why I like this discussion.

01:03:53.980 Yeah, but, but, but, but that's, but, but you lead it and you can put out, you choose

01:03:58.060 what you're putting out.

01:03:58.920 And sometimes you don't report on positive things and only negative things.

01:04:02.640 And you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're kind of leading the, the, the cancel

01:04:07.500 culture in a way in our space, I would think so, because if you only report on things that

01:04:12.300 are, have a negative context to it, I think it's, it's, it's, it's, it's bad.

01:04:17.040 Like, you know, you're not only giving context sometimes to certain things and you know,

01:04:20.840 you, you, you've, you've definitely done some damage to myself and, and speed and, and,

01:04:25.400 you know, Kai in the past and all these other streamers, you got to understand, bro, you

01:04:29.740 hit, you, you have a blog and you post and, and, and it brings, you know, a lot of attention

01:04:34.340 to it and people see, people like to retweet it and it gets out there.

01:04:37.400 Right.

01:04:37.940 So you're part of the problem.

01:04:40.120 I, you know, your platform is part of the problem because you're choosing what you're

01:04:43.580 putting out there as well and you, you know, the cancel culture, as far as the cancel culture

01:04:49.580 goes, yeah, you're, you're, you're a part of it, bro.

01:04:52.080 So then who have I canceled?

01:04:55.260 This is a general question.

01:04:56.280 You've tried to cancel me speed for sure.

01:05:00.380 No, I've never tried to cancel anyone.

01:05:02.600 I name a time where I maybe, but maybe, maybe that's not, maybe that's not your intent to

01:05:06.720 do so.

01:05:07.540 Never, never my intent.

01:05:08.640 I'm going to be honest.

01:05:09.920 I believe it is your intent for sure.

01:05:11.720 I can't cover you if you're canceled.

01:05:15.820 Yeah, you can.

01:05:16.640 You get more lights off it.

01:05:18.000 No, I can't.

01:05:18.740 Then your existence is done.

01:05:19.820 There's no such thing as cancellation completely.

01:05:22.040 And by the way, the speed instance, that's a good one to bring up speed.

01:05:26.140 When I covered him, covered him two times in a negative light.

01:05:29.380 And that was probably one of the biggest learning curves of my time, but that dude blew up during

01:05:33.880 that time.

01:05:34.320 And you could say he got a YouTube strike.

01:05:35.880 I didn't ask for that.

01:05:36.720 I hope I wish he didn't.

01:05:37.780 I wish he hadn't had because of the repercussions that I served.

01:05:40.480 Like the things that I got sent, the things that I got involved in, and people I had

01:05:44.620 to get in touch with because of that.

01:05:46.220 So that for me was the biggest learning curve of like, you got to be careful who you talk

01:05:49.400 about.

01:05:50.060 But it was never my intent to cancel someone because you can't, if you're covering news

01:05:54.440 on speed.

01:05:55.700 But you're biased about it.

01:05:56.760 You're biased about it.

01:05:57.620 So what?

01:05:58.220 So let's, let's focus on cancel.

01:05:59.680 I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to let you, this has to do with cancel.

01:06:03.420 You're, you're biased about how you state things.

01:06:06.340 So when you're biased about how you state things, your intention is to cancel the person

01:06:10.400 because my intent is not to cancel anyone.

01:06:12.760 Hold on a second.

01:06:13.440 Jake, maybe you're saying that, but it is because if you specifically don't, I'm going to let

01:06:17.780 you finish, but if you specifically don't like anyone, a specific person, Jake, and the way

01:06:22.480 you tweet out only wrong things about it or about that person, and you never tweet out

01:06:27.580 anything positive about that person, it looks like your intention is to cancel this person.

01:06:32.560 Now you're talking, now you're talking.

01:06:34.480 Perception is a crazy thing because negative news gets a lot more highlights than positive

01:06:38.440 news.

01:06:39.100 And I promise you, you go to my page each day, you're going to see different news than what

01:06:43.460 pops up in your timeline.

01:06:44.520 And I also will say when it comes to Twitter, right?

01:06:46.580 We're, we're limited to these characters.

01:06:48.020 I don't word everything the best way possible.

01:06:50.340 It's a huge learning curve, but I can't promise you it was never my intent to actually cancel

01:06:54.080 someone and nor have I ever like speed after the instance, you check his socials blew through

01:07:00.000 the moon.

01:07:00.540 And I, I wish YouTube had not given him a strike.

01:07:03.060 Cause I tell you what, when it's a learning curve from my side of things too, but if I cancel

01:07:07.760 someone, I can't cover them and get the clicks that I supposedly do want.

01:07:13.260 Right.

01:07:14.080 But I think it's a good discussion.

01:07:15.440 I think you make good points.

01:07:16.880 I believe in some of my points too, but I don't think anyone has been canceled ever.

01:07:22.820 Besides the, if you get canceled, you just nowadays, you deserve to be canceled and you

01:07:27.020 can name, can you name anyone?

01:07:31.380 Yeah.

01:07:31.780 They try to cancel my boy Andrew Tate.

01:07:35.220 They tried.

01:07:36.720 He's still the most talked about man.

01:07:39.220 And I don't want to get into it.

01:07:40.400 I don't cover the Andrew Tate stuff.

01:07:41.780 Do you like, do you like, do you like Andrew?

01:07:44.360 I got no comment for you on this subject, man.

01:07:46.280 Wow.

01:07:46.620 You can't even say if you like, do you agree with some of his points?

01:07:48.880 Some, any one of his points.

01:07:50.140 Do you agree with any one of his points?

01:07:51.620 Any one of them?

01:07:53.480 I agree with some of Lizzo's points.

01:07:54.980 You don't like her.

01:07:55.660 What, where, where, where is this going?

01:07:56.880 That was a bad example, but don't, don't try to put it on me.

01:07:58.860 I'm asking.

01:07:59.200 Have you ever, have you ever looked at one of the Andrew Tate's videos or anything he's

01:08:02.400 ever said and just be like, I agree with that.

01:08:04.560 I might say you have to agree with everything.

01:08:05.820 Just one of his points.

01:08:07.640 Aiden, I cover, I cover streamer gaming news.

01:08:10.660 I don't cover Andrew Tate.

01:08:12.160 I'm just asking you if you, if you, you could just say yes or no.

01:08:14.300 Do you agree with one of his points?

01:08:15.720 One of them.

01:08:17.120 What do you get out of this?

01:08:18.220 Like why?

01:08:19.080 I'm just curious.

01:08:20.320 What do you get out of the things you do?

01:08:21.620 I'm just curious.

01:08:22.540 You're asking questions.

01:08:23.140 I'm asking questions as well.

01:08:24.000 I just want to conversate, bro.

01:08:26.340 Converse.

01:08:27.180 Thank you.

01:08:27.580 It's not, it's for me.

01:08:29.200 For where I come from, right?

01:08:30.300 And I still like that we were talking about bias and cancel culture more than Andrew Tate.

01:08:34.300 It's not worth having an opinion on a lot of these topics for me, right?

01:08:37.500 Like I cover news.

01:08:40.860 I don't come from any kind of means that you guys have made for yourselves.

01:08:44.220 And rightfully so.

01:08:44.780 You built your audiences.

01:08:45.700 You've earned your money, whatever.

01:08:47.320 But coming from where I come from, if I speak on those things, you start to really riddle your

01:08:51.680 audience down and down and down.

01:08:53.240 I don't touch on those things.

01:08:54.440 I don't care.

01:08:55.100 I focus on streamers and gamers.

01:08:57.200 I'm just saying.

01:08:58.060 Do you have TikTok?

01:08:59.200 I don't.

01:09:01.660 I'm just trying to stay away from TikTok.

01:09:03.120 Okay.

01:09:03.460 You have YouTube, correct?

01:09:05.460 Where are you going with this, man?

01:09:07.020 We were just talking about cancer culture.

01:09:08.200 Let's get back to it.

01:09:09.240 Because if you converse with me, I want to converse back with you.

01:09:13.320 I got no comment on that guy.

01:09:14.840 I don't care.

01:09:16.580 All right, bro.

01:09:17.080 All I wanted to know is if you just agree with anything he's ever said.

01:09:20.480 But okay.

01:09:21.260 Okay.

01:09:24.220 No, because I haven't heard enough.

01:09:27.660 Okay.

01:09:27.980 Well, let me continue that, though.

01:09:31.280 Because you bounced off me.

01:09:32.020 Let me bounce off you.

01:09:32.620 I would say, as a big streamer, you were involved with a very controversial figure like Andrew Tate.

01:09:39.640 Have you heard from him recently?

01:09:41.600 No comment on that, bro.

01:09:44.680 See how...

01:09:45.360 So you...

01:09:46.080 That's way different, though, bro. 1.00

01:09:47.600 This motherfucker's in jail right now. 1.00

01:09:49.720 That's way different. 1.00

01:09:50.220 So I can comment on him, but you can?

01:09:51.620 All I asked was, have you ever agreed with anything he's ever said?

01:09:54.020 Ask me that question.

01:09:54.840 I'll say happily, yes!

01:09:55.960 All I asked was if you've actually talked to the guy.

01:09:58.200 I can't comment on that type of stuff, bro.

01:10:00.920 There's a literal legal case going on right now.

01:10:04.040 And I don't want to get involved with the legal part.

01:10:05.880 What?

01:10:06.680 That's fair.

01:10:07.200 That's fair.

01:10:07.460 That's a great point.

01:10:08.060 Yeah.

01:10:08.900 So back to the whole cancer culture thing.

01:10:10.740 Because that, to me, is a very interesting discussion.

01:10:12.460 Because I briefly spoke to Speed because of Gideon, who I really appreciate for bringing Speed on.

01:10:17.840 Because there was no way to get in touch with Speed because he's just like...

01:10:20.460 He's up there, right?

01:10:21.900 He's made it.

01:10:23.660 So I really appreciate Gideon for bringing Speed on because we actually had a tiny conversation.

01:10:28.060 I don't think he likes me by any means, and that's fair.

01:10:30.860 But I don't think I've actually canceled anyone.

01:10:33.480 Can you name for me someone who's actually really been canceled?

01:10:36.900 You actually got me banned for, I think, like, what, a month and a half?

01:10:41.540 Something like that.

01:10:42.600 From you posting.

01:10:43.940 Do you want to talk about this?

01:10:45.240 I'm not going to go into that topic at all.

01:10:47.560 I mean, that whole case.

01:10:48.720 Come on, no. 1.00

01:10:48.840 You can't bring it up like that.

01:10:50.200 Like, I got you banned.

01:10:50.860 I can't talk about it.

01:10:52.020 I'm just saying it's just funny, though, because you did post in that.

01:10:55.920 I got confirmed.

01:10:56.720 That was what got me banned.

01:10:58.380 Your post.

01:11:00.020 So are you made into saying it then?

01:11:03.160 Hey, bro.

01:11:03.800 No comment.

01:11:05.460 You see?

01:11:06.220 Okay.

01:11:06.740 So we probably should move on from this topic because that's not very fair.

01:11:09.640 I mean, I'm just letting you know right now.

01:11:11.020 Now, that specific clip you tweeted out got me banned for a month and a half.

01:11:15.840 The specific clip of you saying it?

01:11:19.620 I mean, you can't blame me for reporting it, can you?

01:11:22.100 This is where the weird line is, right?

01:11:24.100 Like, I shouldn't be friends with streamers.

01:11:27.780 Do I not cover that if I know it's you?

01:11:31.520 And we don't get you can just pass.

01:11:32.940 We can move on to better things.

01:11:35.460 Yeah.

01:11:36.520 Next question.

01:11:40.840 Okay.

01:11:41.260 I see a question.

01:11:41.760 Who do you like more?

01:11:42.340 Trump or Biden?

01:11:43.940 I don't get political, dude. 1.00

01:11:45.100 I'm too dumb to know politics. 0.98

01:11:46.440 So you don't vote? 1.00

01:11:47.060 You don't vote.

01:11:51.880 You're an interesting fella.

01:11:53.600 I'm asking.

01:11:54.180 You don't vote.

01:11:56.060 Why does it matter?

01:11:57.060 I'm just curious.

01:11:57.760 Who did you vote for?

01:11:58.400 I'll tell you who I voted for.

01:12:00.600 I just don't like getting into politics, man.

01:12:02.180 I don't think there's very good options on our side.

01:12:04.440 All right.

01:12:05.000 Who did you vote for?

01:12:06.180 If you answer, I'll answer.

01:12:07.440 Happily.

01:12:12.680 Anything else you got?

01:12:14.360 Yeah, I got plenty.

01:12:15.580 I voted for Biden.

01:12:19.640 What's good?

01:12:20.920 Thanks, lawyer.

01:12:21.700 I appreciate that.

01:12:23.440 All right.

01:12:25.540 You guys are.

01:12:26.860 No, that was my response.

01:12:28.180 No, no, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.

01:12:31.360 So when it comes back to this whole twitch versus kick thing,

01:12:33.620 it's really interesting to me because we're in a very wild time of,

01:12:36.920 I agree with you, train.

01:12:37.740 This is not a mixer situation.

01:12:39.500 You know, when mixer came up, and I think people forget,

01:12:42.120 mixer was doubted from day one,

01:12:43.760 at least from my point of view. 0.99

01:12:45.600 Chat, I'm going to call this shit, chat. 1.00

01:12:47.140 How long have you been doing this shit for? 1.00

01:12:48.420 How long have you been live for, chat? 1.00

01:12:51.680 Let's get into the end.

01:12:53.680 I think kick actually has, if not the same,

01:12:56.860 maybe potentially more traction, if not just in headlines.

01:12:59.600 I'm not sure viewership-wise.

01:13:00.660 So, Aiden, how would you compare kick to twitch?

01:13:08.620 That's a good question, bro.

01:13:09.980 It's honest.

01:13:10.900 Can I be honest?

01:13:12.280 I can't give you a full on answer yet because...

01:13:16.460 It's not done.

01:13:17.180 It's in beta.

01:13:17.420 It's not done.

01:13:17.920 Yeah, it's not even, like, fully launched yet.

01:13:20.780 It's, we're nowhere, I'm nowhere near where I can finally compare.

01:13:23.600 I'm nowhere near where I can, it's, this is like,

01:13:25.080 it's not even at its peak yet.

01:13:27.600 It's not even at, like, where it needs to be.

01:13:29.780 I want to ask you that question later on.

01:13:31.420 I'm down to talk to you about that later on.

01:13:33.580 But I think...

01:13:34.160 I can give you a better answer right now.

01:13:35.700 Go ahead, Trent.

01:13:36.440 Yeah, please.

01:13:37.240 Yeah, at the end of the day, listen, I'm not going to sit here and,

01:13:40.240 you know, discredit twitch, twitch's product.

01:13:43.620 Okay?

01:13:44.040 Twitch's product is great.

01:13:45.660 You know, all of us enjoy the site.

01:13:48.060 We enjoy going on there.

01:13:49.220 It's kind of like our homes, right?

01:13:50.800 Or our second homes.

01:13:52.300 The problem is...

01:13:53.240 Chatty, I'll call the kick.

01:13:54.180 I think they got it twisted, right?

01:13:56.100 They went down the wrong path.

01:13:57.240 They lost touch with their creators. 1.00

01:13:58.940 Their policies went to shit, right? 1.00

01:14:00.960 They started leaning toward a political side. 1.00

01:14:04.420 And they catered only to that side, right?

01:14:07.620 And once you get into those areas and you start, you know,

01:14:10.100 censoring that kind of stuff,

01:14:12.940 and your policies begin to match that,

01:14:15.820 and you start taking care of the people who fit that mold,

01:14:18.540 that's when things go down the route where things begin to get...

01:14:21.640 You know, they start to get a little muddy and weird.

01:14:24.300 So I don't think...

01:14:25.400 Twitch's product is great.

01:14:26.440 I don't think they messed up there.

01:14:27.660 I think where they messed up are their policies, their splits,

01:14:30.380 their creator revenues, their creator revenue streams,

01:14:33.340 things like this,

01:14:35.040 I think there's a major disconnect from the higher-ups to that.

01:14:37.440 I think they're focusing too much on streamers

01:14:39.180 that they think they need to represent their site,

01:14:41.360 when in reality, that's just a perception.

01:14:43.240 That's what it appears to be.

01:14:44.280 But it's not the actual case.

01:14:46.080 Because there's a lot of streamers that aren't taken care of.

01:14:48.360 Asmongold's one of them. 1.00

01:14:49.700 I think Asmongold is someone that should be on a contract,

01:14:52.000 someone that should be protected.

01:14:53.080 But instead, they choose to protect these people

01:14:55.240 that look good on paper

01:14:56.600 and look good for the masses of the vocal minorities

01:14:59.340 that get them clicks and pander points.

01:15:02.020 But in reality, you can tell

01:15:03.280 that people like Asmongold aren't taken care of.

01:15:04.820 People like Kai aren't taken care of.

01:15:05.980 Why?

01:15:06.500 Because they are out of touch

01:15:07.780 with what is actually going on on the ground.

01:15:11.120 They're way too high up in their ivory towers 0.99

01:15:12.800 to see what the fuck's good these days. 0.99

01:15:14.480 And that's the issue right now. 0.97

01:15:16.000 So until they fix that problem,

01:15:18.020 it's just going downhill for now.

01:15:19.620 So I think that's the biggest issue.

01:15:20.920 Aiden, do you think other big Twitch streamers

01:15:25.960 are going to be joining Kik?

01:15:27.080 I can't comment on that.

01:15:28.840 That's more of a train question.

01:15:30.620 Yes.

01:15:31.120 All right, there you go.

01:15:32.200 That's a train question

01:15:33.100 because at the end of the day,

01:15:34.660 this is Train's project.

01:15:37.060 And he brought me in.

01:15:38.840 And he did tell me a lot of stuff

01:15:40.760 and a lot of plans that he has.

01:15:42.660 And I'll just say this, man.

01:15:44.940 If these plans follow through,

01:15:47.540 you know, I think we're going to have

01:15:49.380 a really, really successful platform over at Kik.

01:15:51.900 And they will.

01:15:53.140 You know, I have a feeling that it's going to be,

01:15:55.080 it's going to happen.

01:15:56.400 Aiden, one of your homies, 1.00

01:15:58.120 you know, pretty crazy,

01:15:59.700 the same day we're doing this,

01:16:01.420 Kai broke the all-time record on Twitch,

01:16:03.800 also breaking 300,000 subs on the platform.

01:16:06.560 Pretty freaking crazy.

01:16:07.780 I saw you tweet responding to him.

01:16:09.880 Wish you could have called him on Twitch.

01:16:11.360 Do you have like a message for him?

01:16:12.620 Thank you for actually asking that question, bro.

01:16:14.420 That's a good question

01:16:15.180 because that's a positive thing to ask, right?

01:16:17.820 Thank God because that just happened.

01:16:19.600 And, you know, I'm so proud of him.

01:16:22.040 And again, I had conversations with him

01:16:23.580 prior to the Sabbath,

01:16:24.840 when he was in LA and I was in LA.

01:16:26.340 And we were talking and, you know,

01:16:28.680 he was like, bro, I don't know,

01:16:30.440 like I'm kind of nervous that I'm going to do it. 1.00

01:16:31.840 I'm like, yeah, bro, you got this shit. 0.99

01:16:33.300 The only difference is now, Kai, 1.00

01:16:35.380 is that you got the fucking juice. 1.00

01:16:37.180 Everyone knows you got the fucking juice. 1.00

01:16:38.980 And you're a good person. 1.00

01:16:40.100 So it's inevitable for you to do this shit, bro. 1.00

01:16:43.260 And I'm very proud of him, bro. 1.00

01:16:44.420 But that's, again, man,

01:16:45.580 he's well-deserving of this. 0.86

01:16:46.860 And honestly, he's worked so fucking hard 0.78

01:16:49.200 to be where he's at. 0.85

01:16:49.860 And you can't say anything else.

01:16:51.520 He deserves it all for sure.

01:16:53.460 Yeah, that number, dude.

01:16:54.400 300,000. 0.87

01:16:55.160 Holy frick. 0.87

01:16:57.740 Whatever word you guys use. 0.95

01:16:59.160 But one last one.

01:17:00.000 I'll leave you on this. 1.00

01:17:00.420 Holy fucking cocksucking shit. 1.00

01:17:02.840 Can I ask you a question? 1.00

01:17:04.500 Can I ask you a question?

01:17:05.600 Can I ask you?

01:17:06.400 Because I know you're probably close to closing.

01:17:07.840 I've kept you for way too long.

01:17:09.380 But can I ask one more after you?

01:17:11.500 You ask one more and then I'll ask my question.

01:17:13.400 We'll close it off mine.

01:17:14.780 All right, cool.

01:17:16.980 Could be Kai, could not be Kai.

01:17:18.620 Who's your favorite streamer right now and why?

01:17:24.080 It changes a lot.

01:17:26.740 It changes a lot.

01:17:28.720 Give me top three then.

01:17:30.700 Top three.

01:17:31.220 Honestly, bro, my top three streamers, without offending anybody, Bruce.

01:17:42.320 I like Bruce a lot. 0.91

01:17:43.200 He has balls. 0.99

01:17:44.040 I love balls. 1.00

01:17:44.940 I love the motherfuckers who have balls and stand on business. 1.00

01:17:48.780 Bruce. 1.00

01:17:51.220 Train.

01:17:52.780 I was about to side with Jake right there. 1.00

01:17:54.280 Good shit, buddy. 1.00

01:17:54.940 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:17:56.300 You know what I mean?

01:17:59.880 Jake had to go in on you, baby.

01:18:01.240 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:18:01.680 Ben's going to give you some good dick, baby. 1.00

01:18:03.500 Woo! 1.00

01:18:03.920 Is that true?

01:18:04.580 Is that true, Jake?

01:18:05.480 Is that what you were going to do?

01:18:07.120 Oh, yeah.

01:18:07.700 I'll take you to Paris, my man.

01:18:09.120 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:09.940 Jake, you want the front or the back?

01:18:11.480 Sheesh, I'll take either.

01:18:12.640 And I'm going to just say this third one is probably tied with, I'm going to put them all in one category. 0.95

01:18:22.240 My SSB boys, slash, who the fuck else has been watching lately? 0.90

01:18:29.560 I don't know, bro. 0.96

01:18:30.780 I'm going to just put SSB.

01:18:32.400 For those who don't know, can you elaborate real quick?

01:18:35.000 Just my boys, my actual, my boys' boys.

01:18:39.360 You know?

01:18:42.140 Would you put Speed in there?

01:18:43.240 Would you put Kai in there?

01:18:43.940 Where do they fall on your top list then?

01:18:46.120 Speed?

01:18:46.480 Oh, yeah.

01:18:46.740 Well, the thing is with Speed and Kai is I haven't been able to watch Kai's stream because I've been banned lately.

01:18:55.520 You're banned?

01:18:57.160 You know I am, bro. 1.00

01:18:58.140 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:19:00.040 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 1.00

01:19:02.100 I can help you out, Aiden.

01:19:03.140 I mean, realistically, like, an example of this would be, like, me and XQC are very close friends, right?

01:19:07.540 But right now, like, who I watch are, like, Summit1G, Tyler1, and, you know, Asmongold, right, on his alt account.

01:19:14.680 So it's, like...

01:19:15.320 Summit's so good, dude.

01:19:16.620 Summit's really good, right? 1.00

01:19:17.540 Summit1G and Tyler1, like, both, I fuck with them. 1.00

01:19:19.840 You know, I love Tyler's sexy-ass eyes. 1.00

01:19:22.040 Those eyes, oh, man. 1.00

01:19:23.440 When he looks up at me, god damn, bro. 1.00

01:19:26.200 My God. 0.99

01:19:27.000 Like, if him and Mikayla don't work out, hey, T, my man, you let me know, bro, in the DMs.

01:19:31.800 I'd love to look at those eyes while they're looking up at me.

01:19:33.520 Oof.

01:19:34.140 Continue. 1.00

01:19:34.420 But, yeah, bro, I fuck with a lot of... 1.00

01:19:38.900 Let me just give you top five. 0.99

01:19:40.540 Trade, Bruce, Kai, Speed, and SSB.

01:19:45.020 That's my top five.

01:19:46.500 Gotcha, and I'm so sorry, because I probably...

01:19:49.220 I might never get you...

01:19:50.020 Call Home, Prime, Neon, Cheezer, Schneggios, that type of...

01:19:54.240 Rage?

01:19:54.860 Your rage?

01:19:55.540 Your rage is not part of SSB. 1.00

01:19:57.640 I fuck with your rage. 1.00

01:19:58.360 Oh, I thought you meant, like, streamers. 1.00

01:20:00.200 My bad.

01:20:01.340 No, of course your rage is up there for me, too.

01:20:02.660 And my bad, real quick, because I might not ever get you again.

01:20:05.500 If not, it might be a long time.

01:20:06.940 So, like, when it comes to, like, someone like Speed...

01:20:08.280 I might be able to talk to you. 0.98

01:20:09.760 Just report positive shit I do, too. 0.99

01:20:11.400 That's all I ask. 0.99

01:20:12.180 But go ahead.

01:20:12.720 Hey, you can...

01:20:13.660 And tell your boys to send me the positive.

01:20:15.400 I can only cover what I see.

01:20:16.680 So, but...

01:20:17.460 Bounce out the point, though.

01:20:18.680 Yeah.

01:20:19.000 So, when it comes to someone like Speed, he's the biggest streamer on YouTube.

01:20:23.160 Yes.

01:20:23.340 Arguably, right?

01:20:23.980 I think you could probably...

01:20:24.460 No, he is.

01:20:25.260 He is.

01:20:25.740 He is.

01:20:26.060 I gotta stop you both.

01:20:27.080 I gotta stop you both.

01:20:28.100 I gotta stop you both.

01:20:29.460 I gotta stop you both.

01:20:30.020 I'm sorry for this 2v1 stuff.

01:20:32.740 But listen.

01:20:34.220 Chaz, be the biggest streamer on YouTube.

01:20:36.180 Yes, sir. 1.00

01:20:36.300 That was bullshit, Jakey. 1.00

01:20:37.060 Which part? 1.00

01:20:37.580 That was bullshit. 0.99

01:20:38.420 I only cover what I see. 1.00

01:20:39.260 That's some bullshit. 1.00

01:20:40.320 You know damn well a good reporter that does his due... 1.00

01:20:43.100 Does he or she's or they's due diligence and looks into everything to present the whole story and the truth.

01:20:50.420 There is no...

01:20:51.040 That's all I see.

01:20:51.760 That's true.

01:20:52.740 I'm just speaking from the fact of, like, I didn't see that Aiden Ross gave a camera to a photographer.

01:20:58.020 It's your job to see and find out.

01:21:00.160 Whether it's reaching out.

01:21:00.780 No, no, no.

01:21:01.300 And you're right.

01:21:02.060 But Trey, you know how much goes on in this space, bro.

01:21:04.960 I do.

01:21:05.380 But if you're gonna make a career and living out of this, then you better do the due diligence.

01:21:08.620 The problem is, in today's world, all of you guys, all the reporters, not just you, it's everyone.

01:21:12.500 Stick Surto as well. 1.00

01:21:14.040 Y'all just wanna get it out as fast as possible because you wanna be the first.

01:21:16.980 Therefore, it destroys that due...

01:21:18.800 Right?

01:21:20.220 That window of due diligence leaves because you wanna get it out first.

01:21:22.740 So there's no due diligence at all.

01:21:25.020 There's no looking into, again, the full story, seeing what's been good, what's been bad.

01:21:28.240 But the funny thing is, if you only go off of what you see, let me tell you what's gonna happen.

01:21:32.840 There's already a preset narrative.

01:21:34.020 There's already a preset group of popular people that are only gonna have good clips pushed up and bad clips pushed up.

01:21:38.660 Right?

01:21:39.000 So if you're going off of what you see, you're only gonna regurgitate the truths that are being pushed by the Reddits that have already monopolized and run the narrative on all of Twitch.

01:21:47.480 Right?

01:21:47.840 So, for example, if you get your news from, let's say, Reddit, I can already tell you right now the positive and negative posts you're gonna have in the next two weeks.

01:21:54.160 I can tell you exactly the names of the streamers that are gonna be good and the ones that are gonna be bad.

01:21:58.160 Because if you're only going off of that, it's just a regurgitation of the popular kids.

01:22:02.160 Right?

01:22:03.440 That's why you need to do your due diligence. 1.00

01:22:04.720 That's why there's frustration with me because I know where your shit's coming from. 0.99

01:22:08.660 I know where all these YouTubers' exposed clips are coming from. 1.00

01:22:10.800 It's coming from the same place that has been proven to be a biased cesspool of shit. 0.99

01:22:17.640 Thank you. 1.00

01:22:18.700 No, that's a solid point, right?

01:22:20.540 It's tough to look past that and sift past that.

01:22:24.020 But it's like if Aiden does something very extreme, like we've already talked about on this stream,

01:22:29.900 you're not gonna look past that and be like,

01:22:32.540 Hey, Aiden, I know you showed this to your audience, but have you given a camera to someone else this week that I can show the good stuff to?

01:22:39.260 So there is a, like, do you know what I mean?

01:22:42.340 But I think it's time for you to put aside.

01:22:43.600 It's a tough line, right.

01:22:44.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:44.880 I'm referring to, right, so yeah, there isn't gonna be a clip of that for you to see,

01:22:48.900 but I think you should, you know what, I've, if I wanna be a long-term,

01:22:53.120 if I wanna have a long-term career in this, right,

01:22:55.260 if I don't wanna just be just like every other reporter in the last 10 years.

01:22:58.340 The negative Nelly, right?

01:22:58.540 I don't wanna be a negative Nelly all the time.

01:22:59.800 Well, it's not even that.

01:23:00.440 It's just, it's that everyone that does, that goes into the exposed culture world,

01:23:04.420 they die off in a year to year and a half.

01:23:06.180 Always, always.

01:23:07.140 Because you can't keep up, you have to really look at viral clips all the time.

01:23:12.800 That doesn't come. 0.96

01:23:13.560 So you start making shit up, you start going as you go and seeing things and believing anything, 0.98

01:23:16.740 right? 0.98

01:23:17.360 So what I'm saying is if you grab that clip of, let's say, Aiden doing that,

01:23:20.620 I think you should say, okay, you know what, guys, it's not gonna get as many clicks,

01:23:23.340 but let's go into it and see some of the good he's done, right?

01:23:25.500 Like, these are the things that I think will cement your career, right, in time 0.91

01:23:30.620 and won't have you die off in a year to year and a half or whatever the fucking time frame is, 0.97

01:23:34.360 right? 0.97

01:23:34.580 But the problem is no one wants to do that because it doesn't get likes.

01:23:36.820 That clip that you post might get 2,000 likes versus the one of Aiden being canceled would

01:23:41.300 get 85,000 likes, right?

01:23:42.840 Like, so it just matters what your principles are in that regard.

01:23:45.840 Does that make sense?

01:23:46.460 And this is why I also respect it and, like, an invitation like this because most streamers

01:23:51.300 who have done some pretty crazy things the last couple months wouldn't come on and talk

01:23:54.880 about them.

01:23:55.220 So, like, I – and that's – hopefully you can share it.

01:23:57.740 There's going to be clips out of this that are painted.

01:23:59.860 Charity to end it.

01:24:00.840 Clips that are painted.

01:24:01.920 Good.

01:24:02.240 So, hopefully there's a level balance in that.

01:24:04.140 But, yeah, I definitely see the point you're making.

01:24:06.660 It's also tough if you really talk it out of, like, okay, when would I show the good Aiden

01:24:11.440 Ross stuff after the bad stuff, you know?

01:24:13.600 But we don't need to dive too far into that.

01:24:15.320 But I do see the point you're making.

01:24:18.140 Let me just – can I just end it off?

01:24:19.900 Because I do think we're just dragging it.

01:24:21.560 I want to say, Jake, I just want to say thank you for coming on my platform.

01:24:25.540 And respectfully, bro, it was a great conversation.

01:24:28.300 We can maybe have a conversation like this in the future when more stuff has obviously

01:24:31.920 happened and stuff.

01:24:33.240 All I ask, man, from your part, like Trane said, do your job better, man.

01:24:37.040 And I'll do my job better as a role model and, you know, representation.

01:24:40.680 I'll do my job better.

01:24:41.900 Hold on, Aiden.

01:24:42.920 You are not – listen, Aiden. 1.00

01:24:44.380 That's one thing that needs to go away from streaming in general, bro, even your ass. 1.00

01:24:47.460 Listen, if you're a role model, if any streamer is a role model, we are fucked. 1.00

01:24:52.980 We need to get away from this role model bullshit. 0.99

01:24:55.200 You understand? 0.99

01:24:55.480 The only role models should be the parents. 0.98

01:24:57.600 I don't even give a fuck about superheroes or this and that. 0.97

01:24:59.440 I'm talking about parents and that's it. 0.96

01:25:03.240 Streamers, no streamer, no streamer.

01:25:05.420 Even the most PG1s have no business, and they know it themselves deep down in private.

01:25:11.180 They have no business being a role model.

01:25:13.740 Do you understand?

01:25:14.760 None.

01:25:15.540 Thank you.

01:25:16.420 Okay, thank you.

01:25:17.380 But thank you, Trane.

01:25:18.780 The thing I want to say is, man, with Kik, it's exciting, bro.

01:25:22.080 It's going to be amazing. 0.99

01:25:24.100 Honestly, you know, Twitch is worth billions of dollars, bro, and they give their biggest creators a tiny, tiny little crumble of the fucking chip. 0.98

01:25:33.460 And, you know, it just doesn't make sense. 0.73

01:25:35.560 But that's why Kik is here now, man, and we're going to finally see creators get what they deserve.

01:25:40.060 And also, man, you don't have to worry about getting banned.

01:25:43.580 You don't have to worry about a board meeting of all these Twitch fucks, these Twitch higher-ups banning you indefinitely without any type of email or any type of phone call or anything like that or trying to correct you. 0.51

01:25:54.280 Kik, that's what Kik is here for, bro. 0.66

01:25:55.420 You're allowed to be yourself and you're allowed to speak how you want to speak freely.

01:25:58.840 Obviously, no hate speech, but you're allowed to be yourself, bro, and you don't have to worry about that type of stuff as long as you're doing your thing and, you know, you're spreading positivity.

01:26:05.980 And as far as everything goes, Jake, I'm excited because now it's my time to take the biggest streaming deal ever signed and give back and bless people and change lives. 0.51

01:26:17.080 And I hope you report that whenever you see some cool shit. 0.81

01:26:19.840 And that's all I've got to say. 0.97

01:26:21.140 Yeah, and one last thing to all your viewers.

01:26:23.640 Listen, I appreciate you coming on to you and Train, your lawyer, for explaining things and to all your viewers out there, too.

01:26:29.660 Like, if they ever see some positive stuff you're doing, man, hit me up.

01:26:33.180 The DMs are always open, but most of all, man, I appreciate you coming on and actually conversing about all this stuff.

01:26:37.760 For sure.

01:26:38.280 And I think the last thing I want to say, by the way, Jake, is, you know, we're living in a really hard world, bro, in 2020, 2023.

01:26:43.160 You just got to keep yourself safe, bro. 1.00

01:26:45.400 A lot of fuck shit going on. 1.00

01:26:49.860 I think we'll probably stand it there, huh? 1.00

01:26:51.280 Dude, really?

01:26:51.940 It was a joke.

01:26:52.800 It was a joke.

01:26:55.360 All right.

01:26:55.740 Seriously, thank you guys.

01:26:56.640 I appreciate it.

01:26:57.160 Yeah.

01:26:58.140 All right, bro.

01:26:58.920 Have a good one.

01:26:59.320 Oh, white socks as well, bro.

01:27:00.780 Yeah, definitely a white shirt for sure on that.

01:27:02.580 You match the white shirt with the white socks.

01:27:04.420 But then again, maybe the shoes, I mean, what color shoes are those?

01:27:07.320 Do those shoes match the shade of color on your shirt?

Adin Live - March 01, 2023

Adin Ross Interview with His BIGGEST Hater (Full Stream)

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