Adin Live - Adin Ross & Vivek Ramaswamy Have An Unfiltered Conversation

00:00:00.000 It's good. It's pretty good. What's up, guys?

00:00:02.320 Hey. Oh, man.

00:00:03.560 Where do we sit?

00:00:04.220 Let me get you a good chair.

00:00:05.540 I don't care about that.

00:00:07.180 I got some books for you.

00:00:09.040 Books?

00:00:09.760 Yes.

00:00:10.280 Oh, my gosh.

00:00:12.500 Three of my four.

00:00:13.940 Oh, my gosh. Thank you, man.

00:00:15.440 No, I'm just kidding.

00:00:16.660 Wait, did you actually write?

00:00:17.560 This was some years ago.

00:00:18.060 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:18.540 What?

00:00:19.460 I've written four books.

00:00:21.080 I had three of them at home when we were leaving this morning.

00:00:23.080 That's so nice, man. Thank you so much.

00:00:24.840 I appreciate it.

00:00:25.140 Tell me what you think.

00:00:25.940 Okay.

00:00:26.160 Tell me what you think.

00:00:26.600 Well, I have a question.

00:00:27.460 My thoughts evolve through them.

00:00:28.960 Wait.

00:00:29.120 So, they're not all, they're not, you know, I kind of had different spots.

00:00:32.380 Woke ink.

00:00:32.980 Okay.

00:00:33.480 And then this one's niche.

00:00:34.240 That was my first one.

00:00:35.120 This is your first book right here?

00:00:36.020 Yeah, that was the hardest one to write because once you start doing it, then it becomes easier.

00:00:39.740 This is my most recent.

00:00:40.620 This one?

00:00:41.180 Yeah.

00:00:41.700 Amazing.

00:00:42.420 Here, you sit in this chair.

00:00:43.760 You sure?

00:00:44.260 Yes.

00:00:44.880 You get the Lamborghini chair.

00:00:46.100 Okay.

00:00:46.600 Where's yours, dude?

00:00:48.520 You know, I'm going to sit right here.

00:00:49.720 It's okay.

00:00:50.220 No, we can get another one.

00:00:51.140 You're my guest.

00:00:52.560 I sit over here.

00:00:53.380 How long have you been live?

00:00:54.520 Like 20, 30 minutes.

00:00:55.940 Oh, really?

00:00:56.280 Yeah, just getting them kickstarted.

00:00:57.340 I got an event February 1st.

00:00:59.200 I was going to invite you to go to, but it's like a boxing.

00:01:02.240 I'm starting out my own boxing.

00:01:03.340 Is that what's downstairs?

00:01:04.120 Yeah, the ring.

00:01:04.920 We're setting everything up.

00:01:05.500 Looks pretty good.

00:01:06.020 Yeah, man.

00:01:06.560 We're trying to put it together.

00:01:07.400 I was doing it last year, but I got shut down because I wasn't doing it, like, right.

00:01:11.840 Like, I wasn't doing it by...

00:01:12.600 Shut down by who?

00:01:13.580 The commission.

00:01:14.360 They didn't like that.

00:01:14.720 What commission?

00:01:15.280 I had to get, like, basically, like, sanctioned.

00:01:17.220 Like, which commission, though?

00:01:18.460 I'm actually very interested in this.

00:01:20.020 Is it a state law or federal?

00:01:21.400 Yeah, Florida Combat.

00:01:22.520 I got served at my warehouse for doing unsanctioned boxing events a year ago.

00:01:29.600 Yeah, so it took a while to get my license.

00:01:31.260 So what is...

00:01:31.740 Actually, you got my attention now.

00:01:33.380 So, because I am generally an anti-regulation guy, unless it's, like, an absolute necessity.

00:01:39.920 So what is the necessity of people having to sanction whether or not...

00:01:45.380 To have amateur and pro boxing or boxing fights?

00:01:50.020 Yeah.

00:01:50.720 I don't know the real reason behind it.

00:01:52.880 What's the purpose?

00:01:53.440 Yeah.

00:01:53.760 I don't really know.

00:01:54.780 I know that it's difficult to do in a lot of states.

00:01:57.460 Okay.

00:01:57.600 I know Florida was one of the easy ones, which I got lucky with.

00:02:00.200 Okay, well, that's better, but maybe not as easy.

00:02:02.940 Maybe that...

00:02:03.560 Money.

00:02:04.300 Okay, they're all saying money.

00:02:05.320 Safety, money, safety mainly.

00:02:07.340 Yeah.

00:02:07.560 I mean, it makes sense.

00:02:08.080 What does safety mean, though?

00:02:09.320 Like, for safety of the boxers to make sure...

00:02:11.100 I'm cool in this chair.

00:02:11.740 Thanks, guys.

00:02:12.400 You sure?

00:02:12.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:13.240 I like this chair.

00:02:13.820 It's cool.

00:02:14.080 You want to leave it open?

00:02:15.400 Sidious, can you close the door?

00:02:16.780 Yeah.

00:02:17.180 The sound will be better.

00:02:18.780 I think because, look, when I was doing my first few events, it wasn't really done through

00:02:22.940 the full safety precautions, meaning, like, the paramedics weren't fully there.

00:02:26.480 There was doctors.

00:02:27.380 We take blood.

00:02:28.160 We do drug tests.

00:02:29.120 So you think it was reasonable for you to have to...

00:02:30.600 Yeah, to get sanctioned.

00:02:31.600 Have to...

00:02:32.320 Eventually.

00:02:32.820 Because eventually it would be shut down and all that stuff.

00:02:35.040 Yeah.

00:02:36.180 But, yeah.

00:02:36.860 Man, I'm really, really excited.

00:02:38.060 I'm very passionate about it.

00:02:39.960 You know, it's great.

00:02:40.160 So what's the first fight looking like?

00:02:42.440 Well, we have eight fights.

00:02:43.620 A lot of them are streamers and other content creators in my world.

00:02:49.340 But I'm very, very excited.

00:02:50.240 Who are going to fight?

00:02:50.720 Who are going to fight?

00:02:51.260 They're going to fight, yeah.

00:02:51.920 You're not fighting.

00:02:52.540 No, no, no, no.

00:02:53.280 I want to be the Dana White of this thing.

00:02:54.620 Okay, got it.

00:02:55.280 Got it.

00:02:56.120 I've seen you at a few of the UFC.

00:02:57.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:58.700 We met.

00:02:58.960 You've kind of got your instincts of how you want to do things, you know?

00:03:04.180 Exactly.

00:03:04.720 No, exactly.

00:03:05.500 That's good.

00:03:06.420 I want to start today, guys.

00:03:08.120 And again, like, this is just such a big thing for me.

00:03:10.400 I mean, you and I spoke.

00:03:12.100 It was at the UFC where Jon Jones fought.

00:03:14.900 And I got your number.

00:03:16.040 And you're like, let's do something.

00:03:16.940 And honestly, like, I instantly was like, wow, this is great because what you've done is amazing.

00:03:23.340 And what I want to do this new chapter I'm going down is motivate people and help them find paths.

00:03:29.500 And American excellence is what you kind of were.

00:03:31.600 That's my big theme.

00:03:32.560 Right.

00:03:33.140 So I want to, like, even if one person in my chat can be inspired to do something by this conversation is kind of like my goal here.

00:03:41.160 And that's just kind of like the thing.

00:03:42.960 I want people to gain from watching my stream.

00:03:44.720 I don't want people to be like, yo, why do you watch Aiden's stream?

00:03:47.700 Like, why do you watch it?

00:03:48.960 You know, I don't want people to be like, oh, it's a waste of time, all this stuff, because I can see how degenerate content constantly being spammed can be that way.

00:03:55.320 And people also, they love me, but I want people to also gain from my stream.

00:03:59.220 I want people to, like, even if it's one person, they're like, okay, I saw this and I love this and I'm going to apply this to my real world.

00:04:05.440 That's my whole purpose of kind of like, oh, I wanted to rush and do this.

00:04:09.360 That's cool, man.

00:04:10.020 Yeah.

00:04:11.320 But I see that you just did Breakfast Club, right?

00:04:14.720 Yeah, I did.

00:04:15.180 I was in New York yesterday.

00:04:16.740 I was in, slept in Ohio, my home bed last night.

00:04:20.260 I have a rule.

00:04:20.980 Like, I travel so much.

00:04:22.120 Yeah.

00:04:22.600 As many nights, even if it's 1 a.m., I'll be sleeping there tonight, too.

00:04:25.500 My home bed, head on my pillow at home, see the kids in the morning and then go.

00:04:28.880 Oh, so you're here and you're going right back to Ohio.

00:04:30.280 I was in New York.

00:04:30.900 I went to Ohio last night.

00:04:31.980 Yeah.

00:04:32.340 I came to Miami.

00:04:33.180 I'm back to Ohio tonight.

00:04:34.240 Oh, my gosh.

00:04:34.720 Yeah, so that's a good rule of thumb.

00:04:36.760 You probably have a younger audience.

00:04:38.020 But once you have, certainly once you have kids and even once you're married, if you have

00:04:41.760 a job that's taking you in a lot of different directions, I think things can go in, you know,

00:04:47.760 you used to see other people and friends when they go through, you kind of just lose connection

00:04:50.960 with your home base.

00:04:52.600 Yeah.

00:04:53.100 So the rule that I set up before I ran for president or anything else is we own a plane.

00:04:57.020 Let's use it.

00:04:58.160 Get back that night, even if it's 1 a.m., go to sleep at home base.

00:05:01.720 I love that.

00:05:02.480 I love that.

00:05:02.880 So it's like you go do what you need to do.

00:05:04.300 You come right back home.

00:05:05.040 You're in your own bed.

00:05:05.740 That's great.

00:05:06.900 Guys, I wanted to actually ask you guys this question because when people first started

00:05:11.300 watching me, they grew up with me.

00:05:13.700 I kind of like it like that.

00:05:14.740 They mature with me.

00:05:15.400 They're growing with me.

00:05:16.840 How old are you guys?

00:05:17.900 Everybody in my chat.

00:05:18.940 Yeah, let's see it.

00:05:20.280 Because we grew up together.

00:05:22.820 And it's 23, 19, 31, 19, 30.

00:05:27.340 So I'm like, yeah.

00:05:29.100 So when I mentioned, when we had talked on the phone a couple of days ago, it's cool

00:05:35.040 to see when I was speaking about, you know, when Trump did the stream with me, I told you

00:05:40.540 or I told everyone that Baron Trump was appointing his dad to do, you know, me, Theo and all

00:05:47.780 these things.

00:05:48.200 And it's cool because it's like, I like to think even if it was a 0.001%, if I had any

00:05:53.880 type of effect on an actual presidential election, it's crazy.

00:05:57.220 I don't think it was 0.001%.

00:05:59.080 I think it's bigger than that.

00:06:00.320 Because.

00:06:00.900 Yeah, I don't know.

00:06:01.540 I think you help.

00:06:02.200 Yeah.

00:06:02.320 I mean, it's whether it's a combination of you had a guy who, despite in his case being

00:06:07.840 in his 70s, still saying, you know what, I want to reach the next generation.

00:06:10.640 I think that's great.

00:06:11.460 Yeah.

00:06:11.920 And that was one of the things I tried to do when I ran was, in some ways, the political

00:06:16.340 class forgets about who the youngest demographic is they're serving, even though the whole purpose

00:06:21.820 of what we're doing is for the next generation.

00:06:24.220 At least it should be.

00:06:25.660 So anyway, I thought it was cool.

00:06:27.360 Thank you.

00:06:28.060 You know, it was a little different for a politician or presidential candidate to show

00:06:31.560 up in a stream like this.

00:06:32.760 Yeah.

00:06:33.000 And I think it really helped us.

00:06:34.440 Yeah.

00:06:34.680 It really helped President Trump.

00:06:35.500 I think so, too.

00:06:36.140 I like, people like to see the fun side of people.

00:06:40.080 I actually, what do you do, by the way?

00:06:41.860 Like, outside of like, you know, business and politic world and all, you know, what do

00:06:46.440 you do for fun?

00:06:47.300 Like, what do you do?

00:06:47.520 I'm like a tennis fanatic, actually.

00:06:49.100 Tennis guy?

00:06:49.560 There's a good chance I'll be at the Ohio State tennis practice tomorrow morning.

00:06:52.860 Oh, my God.

00:06:53.460 Most days when I'm in Columbus, I show up and I'll warm up with coaches of the team.

00:06:59.980 I used to train with some of those guys in the juniors.

00:07:02.860 And so I play tennis.

00:07:03.600 I'm pretty into tennis.

00:07:04.380 And then once you have kids, you've got to narrow your hobbies.

00:07:06.880 You can't do everything.

00:07:08.140 I'm big into hiking.

00:07:09.160 I like to go out to the quietest place I can get to.

00:07:13.860 You know, if it's winter hiking in Cold Mountains in Colorado, whether it's Brazil where we spent

00:07:18.400 Christmas in the Amazon, I love being in solitude in nature.

00:07:22.920 I love playing tennis at a competitive level.

00:07:25.340 I like doing things that I'm really good at.

00:07:26.940 I don't like doing things where it's like you only have to enjoy something after you get

00:07:31.320 really good at it.

00:07:32.020 So I pick a few of the things I'm good at.

00:07:33.540 I enjoy playing the piano.

00:07:35.260 I think better when I'm fit.

00:07:38.680 So, you know, I'm not like a, obviously not like a bodybuilder or anything, but I work

00:07:42.860 out probably four or five days a week with a trainer.

00:07:45.680 It gets me focused, dialed in.

00:07:47.220 And then after that, just take a bunch of quiet time, maybe with a notebook.

00:07:52.680 Write stuff down.

00:07:53.440 Get your ideas flowing.

00:07:54.460 That's where the books come from.

00:07:55.500 Got it.

00:07:56.020 So I like that.

00:07:56.720 I like writing.

00:07:57.200 I like quiet, time in nature.

00:07:59.480 I love playing competitive sports, especially tennis.

00:08:02.920 And I like spending time with my kids.

00:08:04.580 That's amazing.

00:08:05.220 That's amazing.

00:08:06.200 W, dad, is what I would say.

00:08:09.400 So it's funny you mentioned books.

00:08:12.000 Somebody like myself, you know, I'll be real.

00:08:14.560 I'm telling you guys, I'm telling him, I've never read a book in my entire life.

00:08:18.400 Yeah.

00:08:18.760 Well, let me tell you something about that before you, you know, sort of think that that's

00:08:23.900 something you have to admit.

00:08:24.800 Yeah.

00:08:25.300 I actually, each person is writing differently.

00:08:27.240 I actually write much more easily than I read.

00:08:30.960 You know, so I'm actually, people expect me to be like a really super fast reader or whatever.

00:08:34.500 I'm actually not.

00:08:35.000 I'm a relatively slow reader.

00:08:37.160 It takes you, you know, you read something you want to think about it.

00:08:40.020 So there's many ways to, to consume other ideas, but let me ask you, like reading is

00:08:45.580 one medium of doing it.

00:08:46.840 How do you consume other ideas?

00:08:49.980 Well, I like watching, um, whether it's, you know, you know, you know, movies, not even

00:08:55.540 movies.

00:08:56.140 Yes.

00:08:56.340 I love the movies where actors reenact real life events.

00:08:59.260 Okay.

00:08:59.660 Like for example, um, I just watched this, this recent one that was so fixated on it.

00:09:05.020 It was the Aaron Hernandez, HBO TV shows, like a series of actors actually acting.

00:09:10.020 Out there in Hernandez and his life and what happened.

00:09:12.500 And I was fascinated by it because it's like, I like to think how people who obviously aren't

00:09:16.340 are there, like how they think I'm very interested in like, how does it like, how, like I'm very

00:09:20.700 interested in like human beings and their minds and all that stuff.

00:09:23.720 So I was really, you're clearly a deeply curious person.

00:09:26.560 Yeah.

00:09:26.980 That's what I find a little surprising if you say you've never read a book, but you clearly

00:09:30.680 consume your, the inputs for your thought, right?

00:09:33.780 Yeah.

00:09:34.720 It's once you start to think, you could think on your own, but you got to have some inputs

00:09:37.880 to, to juice that.

00:09:39.760 So movies maybe for yourself, movies, and you know what I watch conversations?

00:09:43.140 I don't know.

00:09:43.300 Yeah, no, that too.

00:09:44.200 I also like YouTube short videos telling stories.

00:09:47.260 Like I didn't, for example, like in high school, I wasn't the best student and I make

00:09:51.260 it very clear, um, to everybody that watches and stuff like that.

00:09:54.120 But, uh, like when I didn't know the full on history of like the cold war, for example,

00:10:00.160 right?

00:10:00.900 I, I went back and I watched a YouTube video of animations and cartoons and I was like, okay,

00:10:05.720 now I understand.

00:10:06.720 And it's easier for me to understand this than in, in, in high school and the history

00:10:11.200 textbooks.

00:10:11.960 I, you know, I had learning disabilities too, as well.

00:10:13.920 So.

00:10:14.180 Well, is there anything you wish your high school would have done differently to teach

00:10:18.100 you about the cold war?

00:10:18.740 A lot.

00:10:19.060 Yeah, like what?

00:10:19.560 I think the high school is very outdated.

00:10:21.040 I think it's a very, oh, okay.

00:10:24.940 Nice.

00:10:26.020 I think, I think high school is a very outdated system.

00:10:28.940 Um, I'm, I'm all for people getting an education.

00:10:31.900 It helps with social skills.

00:10:33.660 It helps with people's, how it helps their brains and it helps people kind of like get

00:10:37.340 into like a scheduled routine.

00:10:38.740 But I think, I think the subjects are mentally outdated.

00:10:41.060 A lot of them are, in my personal opinion.

00:10:42.760 Well, like what?

00:10:43.200 I mean, history is clearly a core high school subject.

00:10:46.340 That's a good one.

00:10:46.840 Well, clearly you're interested in history.

00:10:47.900 Yeah.

00:10:48.180 You're studying the cold war.

00:10:49.220 Um.

00:10:49.740 Like what else is outdated?

00:10:50.740 I would just say like, like, I don't know, like, like, and, and again, this is very general

00:10:55.500 what I'm about to say, but like.

00:10:56.280 Yeah.

00:10:56.560 I haven't used the periodic table since junior year chemistry.

00:11:00.100 You know what I mean?

00:11:00.700 And so it's like, um, or I haven't talked about, you know, um, how chromosomes work, um,

00:11:07.040 and photosynthesis and all these things.

00:11:08.820 And it's like, I get it.

00:11:10.340 I'm, I'm, I'm just speaking for like mainly people that don't really, you know, um, I don't

00:11:15.060 know.

00:11:15.220 Sorry, I lost my thought there.

00:11:16.080 Um, what am I going to say?

00:11:17.460 Yeah, you're speaking for, you're, you're saying high school isn't for everybody and

00:11:20.040 like it didn't, it didn't.

00:11:20.940 I just think some subjects are outdated.

00:11:22.560 In my personal opinion, I never went to college.

00:11:24.820 I don't give people educational advice for that specific reason.

00:11:27.680 Like I'm far from the person people should listen to and all that.

00:11:30.600 Um, I think that in high school you should be taught more social skills.

00:11:33.900 I think kids go through more things nowadays because of TikTok and all these things.

00:11:37.780 What about physical?

00:11:38.400 How do you feel about physical education?

00:11:39.580 That as well.

00:11:40.000 I think you should start PE.

00:11:41.200 I think.

00:11:41.600 Well.

00:11:41.700 They make, they make America, everyone's, everyone's fat.

00:11:44.820 Everyone's obese.

00:11:45.400 It's so easy.

00:11:46.460 And it's, it's not just when you're obese.

00:11:47.820 It's like when you're not active, you become depressed.

00:11:49.620 Yes.

00:11:50.120 You have anxiety.

00:11:51.580 Low testosterone.

00:11:52.080 Low testosterone.

00:11:52.760 Low testosterone.

00:11:53.900 Yes.

00:11:54.080 Less less overall happiness.

00:11:55.140 Yeah.

00:11:55.760 So there used to be this thing called the presidential fitness test.

00:11:58.240 That was the norm in middle school where there's just many push-ups.

00:12:01.440 Yep.

00:12:02.080 Pull-ups.

00:12:02.400 Pull-ups.

00:12:02.840 Exactly.

00:12:03.420 Exactly.

00:12:04.400 I have advocated for bringing that back.

00:12:06.460 Actually, when I ran for president, that was one of the things I wanted to do.

00:12:08.740 It's great.

00:12:09.100 It's called the presidential fitness test, but it's actually for junior high school.

00:12:12.720 I think that'd be good.

00:12:13.360 Why would they stop doing that?

00:12:15.320 I don't know.

00:12:16.600 I mean, even in terms of like the SAT, you've got math, you've got reading, you've got writing.

00:12:21.280 And I'm in favor of all of those subjects, but I also think there should be a physical

00:12:24.620 component to it as well.

00:12:25.340 100%.

00:12:25.700 100%.

00:12:26.260 I think that's part of, in some ways, you prioritize what you measure.

00:12:29.940 Yeah.

00:12:30.200 And so I'm a big fan of the physical fitness piece.

00:12:32.260 The only thing I would say is I totally get the way that biology and stuff is taught.

00:12:39.180 Here's photosynthesis.

00:12:39.940 Here's the periodic table.

00:12:40.820 It's very memorization-based.

00:12:42.340 And what does that matter?

00:12:43.700 Yeah.

00:12:44.100 Yeah.

00:12:44.320 Yeah.

00:12:44.400 Of course.

00:12:44.680 The two letters for iron is F-E.

00:12:46.480 So what?

00:12:46.940 Yeah.

00:12:47.100 What more do you know about the world if you just happen to know that?

00:12:50.260 Yeah.

00:12:50.440 But at its best, actually, there's a different version.

00:12:55.280 I think it comes down to the way it's taught.

00:12:57.480 What's really interesting is even if you never want to go be a chemist or a biologist, if it's

00:13:00.660 taught in the right way, it makes you change the way that you actually think about other

00:13:05.740 problems in the world.

00:13:07.680 Like even like genetics, about chromosomes.

00:13:09.520 It's just fascinating the idea of every one of the cells in your body has 23 chromosomes, one from your dad, one from your mom, and that that is entirely determinative of the proteins that are produced in your body that help decide who you are visually and physically.

00:13:27.080 And even you could debate spiritually as a person.

00:13:29.720 It makes you think about what you're actually made of.

00:13:31.900 And then if that's an entry point to not just memorize which chromosome or which gene is on an X or Y chromosome, but instead to think about it's like a path to reflecting on the fact that you are made of something that preceded you.

00:13:46.600 So that's actually education at its best causes us to really think about questions we otherwise wouldn't have.

00:13:53.040 And I know that high school education doesn't necessarily go there.

00:13:56.780 It's very rote memorization.

00:13:57.900 Here's your quiz.

00:13:58.480 Here's your test.

00:13:59.320 And I don't think that that is necessarily something that helps people discover a love of learning.

00:14:04.740 Right.

00:14:05.240 Right.

00:14:05.380 But if you get to sort of just seeing the beauty of describing the world, right?

00:14:10.440 Like I love biostatic biology.

00:14:12.480 Gotcha.

00:14:12.800 So I'm like a partial fan of that.

00:14:15.180 But I do think that there's the version it's taught where it's memorization rote, not good.

00:14:20.240 But if there's an opportunity to sort of see just the beauty of this is one lens to understand how the world works, I think that's pretty cool.

00:14:27.840 And the next time you go for one of those long hikes, you think about the world around you a little bit differently.

00:14:31.860 It's cool.

00:14:32.440 No, I know.

00:14:33.140 The way that you put it, you know, it's like you're agreeing that it is fascinating.

00:14:37.220 It is.

00:14:37.600 Yeah.

00:14:37.800 I just think.

00:14:38.280 Like the same genes that make you and me are also you go hiking in the forest and you see a bunch of trees or like the ant that's like biting you.

00:14:44.940 And in the Brazilian rainforest that I went to, we're all made up of the exact same underlying genetic material and makeup.

00:14:53.300 Just ever so slightly different.

00:14:55.560 That's wild.

00:14:56.020 It makes you think about, right?

00:14:57.400 About seeing the universality of it even merges with religion at that point.

00:15:01.340 Like where your respect for other human beings or your respect even for nature comes from, it's grounded in something that's true that you can study.

00:15:09.620 I love it.

00:15:09.940 And I think that might, for me, that's where I really discovered my love of learning is it's just a different, it's like a different set of shades through which you view the universe.

00:15:18.220 Then it's like, oh, okay, I kind of want to learn more of that even if I don't know that FE means iron.

00:15:22.200 What is your IQ?

00:15:23.900 I tested only like a long time ago.

00:15:26.480 So I tested 150 at the time, but they said it only went up to 150 when I was in the fifth grade.

00:15:32.340 Oh, wow.

00:15:32.780 So I don't know.

00:15:33.440 Wait, fifth grade was the last time you tested it?

00:15:35.120 Sixth grade, fifth grade, something like that.

00:15:36.440 Oh, my gosh.

00:15:37.320 I don't want to want to.

00:15:38.180 It's probably lower now.

00:15:39.200 That's crazy.

00:15:40.140 I don't get too much sleep.

00:15:41.300 That's crazy.

00:15:42.080 Wait, oh, how many hours of sleep does somebody like you get?

00:15:45.420 Not enough.

00:15:46.060 So I would, I'm not an example.

00:15:47.900 Like, I'm not a good example for what I want to be, but like.

00:15:51.040 By the way, do you want a water?

00:15:52.060 Yeah, I'll take a water.

00:15:52.940 Cool.

00:15:53.100 I'm probably averaging about four hours this week.

00:15:55.400 Every night?

00:15:56.360 This week I'm averaging about four hours, but I feel like my brain's working a little more slowly because of that.

00:16:01.580 Got it.

00:16:02.080 Got it.

00:16:02.360 So I would rather, I would rather be at seven or eight, to be honest with you.

00:16:05.740 Do you take any supplements, vitamins?

00:16:08.200 Do you take anything to kind of help?

00:16:09.520 So I am, I'm normally skeptical of it, but I do, I've recently started taking magnesium glycinate before you go to bed.

00:16:20.120 Just helps you calm down.

00:16:21.240 It's like a supplement.

00:16:22.000 It's magnesium.

00:16:22.580 And again, it goes back to your study of basic elements.

00:16:25.220 It's just elements.

00:16:25.820 Chemistry, MG, two plus.

00:16:27.140 Okay, it's easy.

00:16:28.280 So it's not like some sort of synthetic, made up, ultra process thing.

00:16:32.400 It's just basic element, magnesium.

00:16:34.120 So I take that.

00:16:34.640 It actually has a, I found it, maybe it's just psychological, but I feel like I get to sleep a little bit faster.

00:16:40.700 Tastes good.

00:16:41.340 It's like a gummy.

00:16:42.140 Take two of them.

00:16:42.720 Is it better to do than melatonin?

00:16:44.300 Would you recommend?

00:16:44.600 Yeah, I don't like melatonin.

00:16:45.680 No.

00:16:46.140 Not for me.

00:16:46.660 Not for me.

00:16:46.980 Do you wake up groggy for me?

00:16:47.900 I think, I think, I've actually never taken melatonin because I believe I would take up groggy.

00:16:53.280 I would wake up groggy based on my understanding of how it works.

00:16:55.620 Yeah.

00:16:56.800 Versus magnesium, which is super low level.

00:17:00.200 So that would be, that's like the only thing that I take for sleep.

00:17:02.380 Got it.

00:17:02.960 Got it.

00:17:03.560 Got it.

00:17:03.900 Yeah, because I used to, I used to take, I used to have a lot of sleep problems, a lot, a lot of sleep problems.

00:17:08.900 But what I, what I noticed helps me the most was the melatonin.

00:17:12.440 But it's so hard.

00:17:13.420 You wake up the next day, you're groggy.

00:17:15.180 You know what I mean?

00:17:15.540 You're just groggy.

00:17:16.500 And I don't know if it's from not drinking enough water.

00:17:18.340 I don't know what it's from.

00:17:18.880 Probably just, because melatonin is a vitamin, isn't it?

00:17:21.000 I read it's some type of a vitamin.

00:17:23.180 I mean, it depends on what is a vitamin.

00:17:25.120 You could sort of, yeah, call anything a vitamin.

00:17:27.900 I wouldn't call it a vitamin.

00:17:28.940 No?

00:17:29.200 No.

00:17:29.720 What would you say it is just a sleep, like a sleep?

00:17:31.500 Yeah, I mean, it's like closer to affecting your kind of hormonal and metabolic balance.

00:17:36.960 Yeah.

00:17:37.320 What are your thoughts on like CBD?

00:17:39.580 What are my thoughts on CBD?

00:17:41.540 I'm CBD curious.

00:17:43.380 This is where I'm at.

00:17:44.280 But I do think that some of the longer term effects make me a little bit freaked out.

00:17:48.320 So I'm not, you know, like I'm not going to get a CBD oil massage just because I think it might make my brain work a little more slowly.

00:17:55.000 I got you, yeah.

00:17:56.640 Yeah, what's your thoughts on CBD?

00:17:58.380 I mean, what I do know is for sure it's been proven like, you know, because I've had a couple family members that have had cancer.

00:18:06.060 Oh, really?

00:18:06.560 Yeah, they've had to go through chemo and all that stuff.

00:18:08.660 So when they would smoke, they wouldn't do the THC.

00:18:11.820 They would just do CBD.

00:18:13.060 And from what I, how they would basically tell me, they would tell me like it would help them a lot like when it comes to like sleeping.

00:18:17.920 I mean, also just dealing with pain, cancer pain.

00:18:20.920 Yeah, it's horrible.

00:18:21.860 If you don't mind me asking, what kind of cancer did they have?

00:18:24.140 Breast cancer.

00:18:24.960 And the other one was Hodgkin, I think.

00:18:26.580 Hodgkin, Oklahoma.

00:18:27.060 Hodgkin, Oklahoma.

00:18:27.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:28.700 So.

00:18:29.040 Yeah, I mean, it's one thing.

00:18:30.100 I have a totally different view if you have a disease state and you're looking at managing your disease.

00:18:34.460 But in ordinary life, I think we've got to find ways to relax that don't rely on chemicals all of the equal.

00:18:41.560 Like I take my magnesium gummy once in a while.

00:18:43.360 Yeah.

00:18:43.540 So that's, I think you want to, don't want to use external chemical substitutes for something that like some deep breaths and some quiet time might actually take care of.

00:18:54.140 You're right.

00:18:54.680 No, I mean like that's the thing.

00:18:55.800 Like I feel like with nowadays, you know, pharmacies are so easy to just prescribe X, Y, and Z.

00:19:00.780 It's like, it's so easy and accessible, you know?

00:19:02.640 Totally.

00:19:02.660 But, you know, so I mean, the only thing I would say is, yeah, pharmacies can prescribe.

00:19:05.780 But also even the stuff that's not prescribed, but just because you can get it doesn't mean that it's any better than the stuff that was prescribed.

00:19:10.760 It would just be equally bad and somebody didn't have to prescribe it.

00:19:13.140 Yeah.

00:19:13.840 Versus, you know, however far you're able to get without chemical dependence.

00:19:19.840 I'm just a big fan of chemical independence.

00:19:21.780 I'm actually just a big fan of independence, period.

00:19:23.580 I just love independence.

00:19:24.680 Independence from my government, independence from chemicals, independence from addiction.

00:19:29.520 And, you know, it's easy to look to the outside to substitute for, you know, what you probably may do better to find inside.

00:19:37.980 Yeah.

00:19:38.540 No, yeah.

00:19:38.980 I know, I know.

00:19:39.500 Do you do meditation ever?

00:19:40.360 You know, it's crazy.

00:19:41.460 I, okay, so I had a, I feel like I had a, I've had a few spiritual, um, I wouldn't call it a full-on awakening, but I feel like I've had a couple spiritual moments in my life.

00:19:52.560 Like, I feel like, you know.

00:19:53.720 Are you religious?

00:19:54.100 So, I believe in a God.

00:19:56.080 I believe in a higher power.

00:19:57.460 Uh, my, my relationship with God right now.

00:19:59.160 Do you believe, you believe in one?

00:20:00.280 I believe in one God.

00:20:01.160 Universal God.

00:20:01.580 Yes, I do.

00:20:02.560 Um, I do believe in a third eye, though.

00:20:05.080 Do you know what that is?

00:20:05.960 No, not, I mean, tell me.

00:20:07.240 I don't think I do.

00:20:07.780 Like, I believe in, like, if you're, like, spiritual, you have, like, a third eye.

00:20:10.480 I feel like, like, like, you know.

00:20:11.840 It's interesting you use that, because that's actually, like, a very Hindu concept, but I think you might mean it in a different sense.

00:20:16.120 Um, like, um, I just don't know what I believe in yet.

00:20:20.320 Okay, that's fair.

00:20:20.980 That's super fair and very honest.

00:20:22.480 Yeah, yeah, because I don't.

00:20:23.320 I think it's probably true of most people.

00:20:24.820 You're willing to admit it.

00:20:25.920 I just, you know, it's just, like, I don't know what's real.

00:20:29.080 Sometimes I don't know what, what to believe in, what to not believe.

00:20:31.980 But are you, are you interested in finding out?

00:20:33.720 Oh, 100%.

00:20:34.320 I want to know everything.

00:20:36.080 But I want to, because I feel like my life right now is so mechanical, and it's so, the word is, like,

00:20:40.960 it's just so, um, I'm not, I don't have that spot that I want to find.

00:20:47.600 Like, I, I want to find it.

00:20:49.380 I want to know what, I want to, I want to know what's true, and I want to know what to believe in,

00:20:54.160 and I want to know what to praise, and, because I do know there's a God.

00:20:57.620 I know there's a higher power, for sure.

00:20:58.740 I, am I, I felt, you know, I've had.

00:21:01.640 It kind of, it's kind of the only way it could be, I believe.

00:21:04.360 Yeah.

00:21:04.920 Actually, so one of the things I, so the, the book I gave, what did I give?

00:21:08.620 Truths.

00:21:09.140 Sorry.

00:21:09.680 You don't have to get it.

00:21:10.440 That doesn't matter.

00:21:11.300 This one right here.

00:21:12.080 Yeah, just take a look at it later.

00:21:12.980 The first chapter is about, is about the question of belief in God, actually.

00:21:17.500 The chapter's titled, God is Real, but it goes through, actually, many people think of the

00:21:23.280 scientific explanation for the universe as being the Big Bang.

00:21:26.300 You familiar with the Big Bang?

00:21:27.000 Big Bang theory, of course.

00:21:27.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:28.580 So, um, it's a TV show, but it's also.

00:21:31.260 Yeah, I know about the TV show.

00:21:32.380 Yeah, yeah, but it's also, you know, you understand.

00:21:34.020 No, I know, I know.

00:21:34.780 That's how Earth created, that was created.

00:21:35.980 Yeah, the universe started on Big Bang.

00:21:37.980 But actually, there was a funny thing, is they thought that that was

00:21:40.220 supposed to defy religion.

00:21:41.800 And then the Catholic Church came out and said, no, no, no, we love this, actually.

00:21:45.180 We love the existence of the Big Bang.

00:21:46.820 Yeah.

00:21:47.060 Because it is consistent with the idea of a supreme being, of a God, who actually created

00:21:53.420 the world into existence.

00:21:55.160 And so, it's kind of interesting.

00:21:56.760 Like, it didn't, the Big Bang theory doesn't include Adam and Eve, but it includes the

00:21:59.420 idea of a universe who banged the Big Bang, who catalyzed the Bang.

00:22:04.340 Got it.

00:22:04.680 Right?

00:22:05.000 That had to be something that started before the Big Bang, which they argue actually means

00:22:08.600 the existence of God.

00:22:09.640 And conversely, there was, like, a Maoist legend.

00:22:13.260 It's a Mao, who was a Chinese communist, who was totally opposed to the idea of a God.

00:22:17.600 Yeah.

00:22:18.180 They were totally opposed to the idea of a Big Bang.

00:22:20.180 Because if there's a Big Bang, that means that that might suggest the actual existence

00:22:23.040 of God.

00:22:24.060 So, you know, back to our earlier discussion about, like, boring stuff about biology and

00:22:27.480 chemistry and the way it's taught in high school, which I agree with you, is largely unhelpful.

00:22:33.980 But at its best, I actually think that studying, my study of science, certainly leads me to

00:22:40.160 greater conviction.

00:22:41.480 Right.

00:22:41.900 In the existence of God.

00:22:43.380 Right.

00:22:43.780 Yeah.

00:22:44.360 Yeah.

00:22:44.820 I mean, it's just, it's just, that conversation can just be, you know, you could, I mean,

00:22:49.500 man, you could speak about that for hours and hours and hours, because there's so much

00:22:52.840 to talk about, and there's so many, like, different things.

00:22:57.480 I wanted to ask.

00:22:58.300 Everybody's telling you what to ask me about?

00:22:59.820 I like this.

00:23:00.480 Yeah.

00:23:00.760 So, guys.

00:23:01.080 This is so real time.

00:23:01.980 I like it.

00:23:02.160 It's great.

00:23:02.560 You've never done anything live before?

00:23:03.460 This is your first, really?

00:23:04.420 I think it's my first stream like this.

00:23:06.080 Yeah.

00:23:06.140 Oh, my gosh.

00:23:06.640 All right, guys.

00:23:07.160 Ask some questions.

00:23:08.660 Ask some questions.

00:23:09.480 You guys, you guys, my dad actually wanted me to ask you a few questions, too.

00:23:13.580 I'm going to ask you as well.

00:23:14.140 All right, sweet.

00:23:14.640 My dad is probably watching.

00:23:15.600 He's so fast, too.

00:23:16.080 This is, this is, this is not an easy job.

00:23:19.220 Just hang in here.

00:23:20.080 It's not.

00:23:20.700 No.

00:23:20.920 This is harder than a regular round of five.

00:23:22.640 I'm kidding.

00:23:23.160 It was a joke.

00:23:23.980 No, because it's, no, it's not.

00:23:25.060 It's really not.

00:23:25.500 It was a controversial thing.

00:23:27.420 I want to make it very clear to everybody.

00:23:29.380 Streaming is nowhere near as hard as a nine to five.

00:23:31.900 I'm just being real with all of you, and I actually know that.

00:23:34.200 Have you ever had a nine to five?

00:23:35.000 I've worked four jobs.

00:23:35.840 Oh, you have.

00:23:36.280 Okay, all right.

00:23:36.760 So, you can say you have authority to say that.

00:23:38.080 I cut and split wood when I was in high school.

00:23:40.120 I worked as a busboy in two different restaurants, and then I cleaned Airbnbs.

00:23:44.060 So, those are my four jobs that I worked before I was a streamer.

00:23:48.600 Yeah.

00:23:48.800 Yeah, nothing crazy, crazy, but I mean, I have some type of experience.

00:23:55.460 What's it called?

00:23:57.060 What are they saying?

00:23:58.360 Okay, so this is a big one for me, because my dad was a vegetarian at one point of his

00:24:03.960 life, and my mom, too, and my, actually, a lot of my family were.

00:24:06.880 You're a vegetarian.

00:24:07.640 I want to ask a vegetarian now, because I've tried it as well.

00:24:12.520 How do you get your protein?

00:24:15.440 It's a little bit harder.

00:24:16.340 It is, yeah.

00:24:16.880 So, I do whey protein shake when I work out in the morning.

00:24:20.860 I eat a lot of nuts, beans, lentils, chickpeas, eggs, milk.

00:24:28.900 Those are my big cheese.

00:24:30.180 Those are my big sources of protein.

00:24:31.860 Do you eat, like, veggie patties?

00:24:34.600 I do, yeah.

00:24:35.200 Those are often not great sources of protein.

00:24:37.260 Depends on what it is.

00:24:37.880 Soy, right?

00:24:38.460 Yeah.

00:24:38.620 So, yeah, I mean, there's ones that are high protein.

00:24:41.760 The ones that are made of, like, grain and veggies are less so, so.

00:24:44.620 Got it.

00:24:44.800 Yeah, but eggs, whey protein, direct, cheese, milk, nuts, lentils, chickpeas, like, that's

00:24:52.460 kind of how I do it.

00:24:53.020 How long have you been vegetarian for?

00:24:55.280 So, I was raised that way.

00:24:56.160 Got it.

00:24:56.600 So, your whole life.

00:24:57.200 Yeah.

00:24:57.380 Yeah, so it kind of makes it easier.

00:24:58.440 I mean, as a lot of people switch into it, it becomes a little bit more difficult.

00:25:01.560 It's not necessarily, I wouldn't argue that it's necessarily healthier.

00:25:04.120 I mean, eating just, like, a straight fish diet with lean meats or fish and chicken.

00:25:09.160 Do you eat fish?

00:25:10.040 I don't.

00:25:10.560 No.

00:25:10.660 I'm not saying that, like, if you're looking at it from a pure health perspective,

00:25:14.140 you can be really healthy as a vegetarian.

00:25:15.700 You can also be really unhealthy as a vegetarian.

00:25:17.940 Yeah.

00:25:18.380 And same thing.

00:25:18.940 You can obviously be really unhealthy if you eat meat, but you can also be really healthy

00:25:23.480 if you pick the right kinds of.

00:25:25.000 Got it.

00:25:25.440 The right kind of diet.

00:25:26.440 Makes sense.

00:25:26.760 So, your dad is?

00:25:27.820 Well, he's not anymore.

00:25:28.780 Okay, okay.

00:25:29.300 But he was for a little while.

00:25:31.680 But, yeah, I just, it's so hard to be vegetarian.

00:25:34.980 Yeah.

00:25:35.080 In my opinion, I've tried it myself.

00:25:38.220 It's just.

00:25:38.880 Yeah, I mean, I, it comes to me from, like, more of a religious sort of background or whatever,

00:25:44.340 which is, I would prefer all else equal, not to take life for the sake of just my pleasure.

00:25:52.280 Now, if it comes down to my health, absolutely, I would do it.

00:25:54.940 Got it.

00:25:55.120 If it comes down to necessity, absolutely would do it.

00:25:57.460 But if it's just down to my preference, yeah, all else equal, I'd rather not.

00:26:01.220 Yeah, makes sense.

00:26:01.940 I'd rather not kill an animal.

00:26:02.520 Makes sense.

00:26:03.080 Makes sense.

00:26:05.120 Guys, again, this is his first time live.

00:26:07.440 This is really cool for him.

00:26:08.600 I just want to show him the difference.

00:26:10.700 You want to ask him a question, like anything like that.

00:26:12.680 Yeah, just, I mean, what do you guys want to hear about?

00:26:15.520 Literally.

00:26:16.300 He's here, man.

00:26:17.020 He's, it's so cool you pulled up on me, by the way, man.

00:26:19.180 This is really cool.

00:26:19.780 So I appreciate it.

00:26:20.040 Yeah, this is good.

00:26:20.600 It was in Miami.

00:26:21.180 Yeah.

00:26:21.260 Yeah, seriously.

00:26:21.980 I kind of like the idea of taking live, live questions from.

00:26:24.940 No, it's awesome.

00:26:25.640 Because they're going pretty fast.

00:26:26.740 So let's just sort of.

00:26:27.580 Okay.

00:26:28.320 Somebody said.

00:26:29.520 A lot of crypto.

00:26:31.060 Yeah.

00:26:31.480 What do you, okay.

00:26:32.000 What do you think about crypto?

00:26:32.960 Yeah.

00:26:33.220 I mean, look, I think it's like anything else.

00:26:36.580 I think that there are opportunities.

00:26:38.360 I think there are also opportunities to get screwed along the way.

00:26:43.140 Yeah.

00:26:43.380 I think that there's a difference between cryptocurrencies where there's a finite supply versus ones where

00:26:50.740 there's not a finite supply.

00:26:52.140 Okay.

00:26:52.280 The ultimate example of one where there's a finite supply is Bitcoin.

00:26:55.260 Yeah, I know.

00:26:55.820 Yeah.

00:26:55.940 Through the mathematical formula, they can't print and make up more of it.

00:26:59.360 Yeah.

00:26:59.560 But you look at the dollar, you look at most kinds of currencies around the world, what

00:27:03.780 can they do?

00:27:04.120 They can just print more money.

00:27:05.680 So crypto is interesting potentially as an alternative to say, if the government's money

00:27:11.000 isn't real, right?

00:27:12.340 It's just kind of made up.

00:27:13.100 They could just print more money, which means all the money in circulation is worth less.

00:27:17.080 Got it.

00:27:17.560 That's what every government's able to do.

00:27:18.840 And that's how the governments have been able to overspend money.

00:27:21.200 Wow.

00:27:21.620 Is they literally just go to the printer and just say, oh, there's this many dollars.

00:27:24.000 We have debt to pay down.

00:27:25.720 We have to pay back down the debt.

00:27:26.960 Let's make the debt, let's make the dollars worth less so we can actually pay back the

00:27:31.240 debt.

00:27:32.180 We just print much more money and release it into circulation.

00:27:35.580 Got it.

00:27:35.760 I'm not really making it up.

00:27:36.640 That's not like an exaggeration.

00:27:37.640 That's just how governments generally have operated.

00:27:39.620 Right.

00:27:40.020 So the promise of an alternative to that historically has been gold because the thought is gold is

00:27:44.720 finite in supply.

00:27:45.920 You have to get it out of the ground.

00:27:47.200 So that's like a finite supply.

00:27:48.800 Right.

00:27:49.760 But there's alternatives.

00:27:53.280 Hard gold doesn't have to be the only gold.

00:27:54.620 Gold has to be transported.

00:27:55.680 It has to be held.

00:27:56.400 What if there was a different way to hold a finite supply of something of inherent value?

00:28:00.080 So that was actually part of the premise behind Bitcoin.

00:28:02.100 Bitcoin, yeah.

00:28:02.700 So I would put that in a different and in some sense superior category to something that

00:28:08.780 you could just print more of because then it's not differentiated.

00:28:11.980 I'm not one of these people, though, that turns crypto into like a new religion.

00:28:16.040 Like I'm all in on this coin or that coin.

00:28:18.740 It becomes like a substitute for faith.

00:28:20.560 Got it.

00:28:20.900 But I do think that the ability to opt out of the traditional financial system is a good

00:28:26.640 thing and it would hold people accountable, hold people's feet to the fire by keeping

00:28:32.200 the government more accountable if people had the ability to opt out of the traditional

00:28:37.240 currency system.

00:28:38.460 That then forces the government itself in the long run to be more disciplined about its

00:28:42.520 spending rather than just turning on the money printing machine.

00:28:45.040 Makes sense.

00:28:45.360 Competition is generally good, is my view.

00:28:47.280 Got it.

00:28:47.680 Got it.

00:28:48.480 What were your thoughts on the, you know, are you aware of Silk Road is?

00:28:51.960 Yes, of course.

00:28:52.780 Yeah.

00:28:53.040 So what were your thoughts on the pardoning of, you know.

00:28:55.540 Well, my thoughts on it was it was a good decision to pardon him.

00:28:57.800 And the reason I say that is I think when I ran for president, I think I was the first

00:29:02.140 person who called for pardoning Ross.

00:29:04.920 Yeah.

00:29:05.060 I met his mom twice.

00:29:06.820 And I kept an open mind.

00:29:07.880 But the first time I met his mother, it was in New Hampshire at like a place called, it

00:29:13.300 was called Pork Fest.

00:29:14.200 It was like a festival randomly in northern New Hampshire.

00:29:17.780 And I was introduced by a mutual friend.

00:29:20.140 And she shared with me how she felt that her son had been badly, unfairly treated.

00:29:24.040 I promised her I would look into the details of the case, which I did.

00:29:27.860 And having looked at it, it was clear that he was held to a really different standard,

00:29:31.120 right?

00:29:31.300 Because the guy was just operating a platform.

00:29:34.040 There's all kinds of platforms today on the internet where people do awful things.

00:29:38.580 But the owner or the founder of the platform doesn't go to prison for all the awful things

00:29:43.400 that happen on their platform.

00:29:44.520 And I think that Ross was held to a very different standard.

00:29:47.380 And the poor guy spent about a decade of his life that he's not going to get back.

00:29:51.740 But the fact that he got a pardon, I think, is a good thing.

00:29:53.340 Yeah, no, that's really, really good.

00:29:54.620 I've been a big public advocate for it, actually.

00:29:56.960 That's great.

00:29:57.440 No, that's super, super good.

00:29:58.620 But yeah, the chat's very happy about that as well.

00:30:02.300 People love that, that he knows he got pardoned.

00:30:04.580 You guys have any other questions for my man?

00:30:09.920 Let's see here.

00:30:11.160 What are your...

00:30:11.420 These are going so fast.

00:30:12.460 You're good at this.

00:30:14.740 Okay.

00:30:15.720 They want me to ask you about Elon.

00:30:17.940 Sure.

00:30:19.440 What about Elon do you guys want me to ask about?

00:30:21.800 Be very specific with him.

00:30:22.980 Deep Seek.

00:30:24.620 Okay.

00:30:25.040 Oh, well, isn't that what I saw about the AI?

00:30:27.960 Yeah, yeah, that was this week.

00:30:29.580 Yeah, well, I mean, Elon's obviously super genius.

00:30:31.760 I think we need more super geniuses in America.

00:30:33.860 Yeah, he's great.

00:30:34.520 And so, like, let's get some more of them, please.

00:30:37.000 Well, you're one of them, man.

00:30:38.120 Seriously, I don't mean to toot your horn, but you really are.

00:30:40.040 I don't know.

00:30:40.760 We each are good at certain things and not others.

00:30:43.840 But I will say that we are a country where we want to celebrate super geniuses.

00:30:48.180 Yeah.

00:30:48.420 We want...

00:30:49.420 You're going to be super good.

00:30:50.760 And not just super geniuses in, like, math or in writing or anything.

00:30:54.580 Like, the best athletes, the best musicians, the best engineers, mathematicians, all of

00:30:59.400 them.

00:30:59.740 Yeah.

00:31:00.060 And then if those super geniuses are also willing to at least dedicate a little bit of

00:31:03.040 time to helping the government get better, I think that's better for our country.

00:31:05.460 It's great.

00:31:05.820 No, it's great.

00:31:06.280 So that's the way I look at it.

00:31:07.080 It's great.

00:31:08.760 Yeah, no, I...

00:31:09.760 Seriously.

00:31:10.760 Go ahead.

00:31:12.520 Let me see here really, really quick.

00:31:14.440 I actually saw...

00:31:15.180 No tax.

00:31:15.560 I like that one.

00:31:16.280 Yeah, can we get that in place?

00:31:17.280 Yeah, I think no tax is...

00:31:18.820 So look, I think that we didn't have an income tax for most of our history.

00:31:24.200 Yeah?

00:31:24.640 Keep that in mind.

00:31:25.500 For most of our national history, during our early national rise, right, we started as,

00:31:31.140 like, effectively the equivalent of, like, a backwater third world country in the global

00:31:36.080 scheme of things, 13 colonies on the eastern seaboard.

00:31:39.060 And by the early 1900s, we were the rising ascendant dominant force on the global stage.

00:31:45.340 It was a one-way path.

00:31:46.840 So what went wrong?

00:31:47.440 And we didn't have an income tax.

00:31:48.460 So what happened?

00:31:49.080 So I think what happened is actually starting the income tax laid the foundation for government

00:31:55.080 overgrowth.

00:31:55.720 And once you have government overgrowth, what happens is people start to think of themselves

00:31:59.540 as victims, okay?

00:32:01.020 And I think that's probably...

00:32:04.660 I'm tempted to say the biggest problem in America, it's one of the biggest problems in

00:32:07.960 America, is victimhood culture for the last hundred years is the idea that you ought

00:32:12.680 to be dependent on your government rather than independent from it.

00:32:15.740 Got it.

00:32:16.060 And the income tax, I think, was one of the original sins in making that happen.

00:32:19.280 Because once you have the income tax, then the government's able to fund itself to grow,

00:32:22.580 to tax those who achieve, to tax those who are able to produce things.

00:32:26.240 Once you do that, then everybody else views them as a villain.

00:32:29.260 And it's one giant game of, you know, tug of war of who gets what from whom.

00:32:35.080 Got it.

00:32:35.300 Because what I like better is, let's just consider a world, in theory, if you had a world without

00:32:40.440 an income tax, a country without an income tax, then you actually have more people with

00:32:44.740 the maximum incentive to actually create things in that country.

00:32:47.480 Right.

00:32:47.760 So that's at the federal level.

00:32:48.820 Right.

00:32:49.020 At least at the state level.

00:32:50.180 And here's a good way to look at this.

00:32:51.600 The states that have no income tax are whooping the rear end of the states that do have an

00:32:56.360 income tax.

00:32:57.200 Yeah.

00:32:57.460 So the number one and two states that people move into are Texas and Florida.

00:33:00.960 Florida, yep.

00:33:01.460 What's true about both of them?

00:33:02.380 They don't have an income tax.

00:33:03.160 That's right.

00:33:04.060 I love my home state.

00:33:04.920 I love Ohio.

00:33:05.580 But unfortunately, Ohio is one of the states that people aren't moving into.

00:33:08.580 Because of the tax, right?

00:33:09.280 They're moving out of.

00:33:09.920 What percent is Ohio?

00:33:11.040 It's kind of middle of the road.

00:33:12.500 Okay.

00:33:12.860 The top end is around four and a half percent.

00:33:14.820 California and New York are at the highest end of people who are moving out.

00:33:17.320 Isn't there city tax, too, in LA and in New York City?

00:33:19.560 Oh, totally.

00:33:20.140 Yeah.

00:33:20.260 It can add up.

00:33:20.780 Oh, New York City tax adds up.

00:33:21.960 It's horrible.

00:33:22.140 And so if for every dollar you earn, half of it, 50 cents of it goes away, you have

00:33:28.600 less of an incentive to earn.

00:33:29.700 If you have less of an incentive to earn, you have less of an incentive to create, and

00:33:32.680 our economy shrinks, and actually everybody's left worse off.

00:33:35.440 So anyway, I think the – I know it was a fast comment.

00:33:37.760 Somebody made it going down, but I thought the no tax thing caught my eye.

00:33:40.200 But it also doesn't make sense.

00:33:41.840 Yeah.

00:33:43.300 You love the chat.

00:33:44.200 Guys.

00:33:44.340 I love this.

00:33:44.660 It's like a new experience.

00:33:48.040 So here's what also doesn't make sense to me.

00:33:49.600 Like, you got a state like California, Los Angeles, you know, the city, homeless people

00:33:54.340 everywhere on skid row.

00:33:55.540 I live in Los Angeles.

00:33:56.640 People are getting robbed into.

00:33:57.560 You call 911.

00:33:58.400 They don't even answer.

00:33:59.080 They say to text 911 in some neighborhoods.

00:34:01.180 There's break-ins.

00:34:02.060 There's all this crime.

00:34:03.340 The police are defunded.

00:34:04.760 Why are we paying the highest tax in somewhere like Los Angeles, California, where it's the

00:34:08.780 worst state to live in?

00:34:09.620 So, dude, that is a –

00:34:10.320 Or city.

00:34:10.740 That is a shockingly sensible question.

00:34:13.920 It's ironic, right?

00:34:15.040 It's not only ironic.

00:34:16.460 It actually – it's not even a coincidence.

00:34:18.100 It's actually the reason why.

00:34:20.240 So generally, when you have a government that is running on the excess of taxing its people,

00:34:26.160 it is actually doing a worse job for the people they're supposed to serve.

00:34:29.440 And somebody mentioned DeepSeek earlier.

00:34:30.680 This is kind of a private sector analogy, but it goes back to government, which I'll come

00:34:35.040 back to in a second.

00:34:36.140 That thing was created with like a tiny budget, but with scarcity, you actually are often able

00:34:41.940 to achieve more than companies that have hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:34:45.460 So that was like the news of this past week.

00:34:48.000 Well, the same thing is true for the government.

00:34:49.120 Just because your government takes in a whole bunch more money from its citizens doesn't

00:34:53.120 mean that it's doing a better job of providing for those citizens or preventing fires or putting

00:34:56.740 them out when they occur.

00:34:57.800 Yeah.

00:34:58.360 How do those taxes do for us there in L.A.?

00:35:00.700 Oh, nothing.

00:35:01.260 Non-existent.

00:35:01.680 Come on, yeah.

00:35:02.220 So you might as well actually figure out the best way you're able to get out of the way

00:35:06.220 and do the minimal function that you're supposed to do.

00:35:08.420 So I think the minimal function for government, the only proper function for government, I

00:35:12.020 believe, is protect private property rights and protect actual national defense.

00:35:16.820 All right?

00:35:16.960 We shouldn't have foreign invaders coming into the country.

00:35:19.080 We need physical security in the country.

00:35:20.940 Provide that, protect private property rights, and then mostly just get the heck out of the

00:35:25.820 way.

00:35:26.520 And the irony right now is we have a government that's not doing those two things well, but

00:35:29.660 it's trying to do a bunch of other things well and taxing the hell out of us as a way

00:35:33.540 to do it.

00:35:33.820 Yeah.

00:35:34.060 And I just reject that.

00:35:34.820 It makes no sense.

00:35:36.000 Did you see?

00:35:36.960 Well, I want to talk about the California fires a little bit because it didn't really

00:35:41.180 make sense to me.

00:35:41.940 Also, I saw President Trump meet with the mayor.

00:35:44.660 What's the girl's name?

00:35:45.600 Sorry.

00:35:45.900 I'm a little bit out of the girl.

00:35:47.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:48.380 The L.A.

00:35:48.920 It slipped in my mind.

00:35:49.560 Yeah.

00:35:50.000 The L.A. mayor.

00:35:50.760 Yeah.

00:35:50.840 What's her name, Chad?

00:35:51.540 Y'all know who it is.

00:35:52.360 Go ahead.

00:35:52.800 Look it up.

00:35:53.320 Come on.

00:35:53.780 What's her name?

00:35:54.440 You don't even look it up.

00:35:55.120 Ready?

00:35:55.240 And it's going to give us in five, four, Karen Bass.

00:35:59.160 That's her, right?

00:35:59.640 Karen Bass.

00:36:00.140 Yep.

00:36:00.380 Yep.

00:36:00.680 I saw she was trying to be like, we need to wait all this time.

00:36:04.220 Trump's like, why?

00:36:05.320 Like, you know, it's people's properties.

00:36:07.240 Let them go clean it out themselves.

00:36:08.980 Let them go do it themselves.

00:36:10.040 Because in L.A., and specifically in San Francisco, these major cities, it's like you're living

00:36:17.540 in an actual GTA V video game where it's like chaos mode.

00:36:22.600 It just doesn't make sense to like, why would you spend millions of dollars on a house out

00:36:26.640 there?

00:36:27.260 You know what I mean?

00:36:27.880 And like, and it's not safe for you, your family.

00:36:30.660 It's just not the place to be.

00:36:31.980 I feel sorry for California.

00:36:33.900 I do.

00:36:33.980 I have a deep heart, space in my heart for California.

00:36:37.320 I live there for some of my life.

00:36:38.300 I love California.

00:36:38.920 It's beautiful weather, nice people, nice people.

00:36:41.360 You have the mountains, you have the snow, yeah.

00:36:42.980 It's like one of the most naturally best endowed states probably in the world.

00:36:47.620 So how do you save California?

00:36:49.240 How do you save California?

00:36:50.180 I mean, these are man-made problems, right?

00:36:51.640 This is a man-made problem, demands a man-made solution.

00:36:54.380 I think California should try and go into being a zero tax state.

00:36:56.960 I mean, that would actually work pretty well.

00:36:58.240 People would no longer leave the state, come back, get the government actually out of the

00:37:02.140 way, and then get competent people into government.

00:37:03.940 Have you met Gavin before?

00:37:05.040 I have met Gavin, yeah.

00:37:05.980 Do you like him?

00:37:06.380 He's a smooth operator as a person.

00:37:08.020 He's a very smooth guy.

00:37:08.920 You know, I mean, he didn't get to where he is by, you know, he's a very, he knows how

00:37:13.760 to deal with people.

00:37:14.740 He's got a good people skill about him.

00:37:17.280 Yeah.

00:37:17.640 But in terms of the results for running the state, it doesn't look great.

00:37:19.940 No, it doesn't.

00:37:20.940 And I don't think some of this, what you can attribute to incompetence, never attribute

00:37:25.940 to malice.

00:37:26.600 So what I believe is, always bet on incompetence first as the first and best explanation.

00:37:32.000 But part of what we need is actual competition.

00:37:34.220 There's going to be an election.

00:37:34.900 I think there could be a good next governor of California.

00:37:37.000 So out of the ashes comes greatness, usually.

00:37:40.580 That's great.

00:37:40.860 So hopefully that'll be true for California.

00:37:43.260 And, you know, I'm pursuing a similar path elsewhere in my home state.

00:37:46.820 But that's the way I think about this.

00:37:48.140 It's not just one.

00:37:49.100 I mean, Donald Trump's in the White House.

00:37:50.320 I'm so excited about that.

00:37:51.400 He's going to do what he needs to at the federal level.

00:37:53.160 Right.

00:37:53.640 But the country's also led at the state and local level all the way, too.

00:37:57.020 Yeah.

00:37:57.380 There's been a lot of damage, man.

00:37:58.360 We need to heal as a nation.

00:38:01.720 You know what I mean?

00:38:02.060 We need to figure some stuff out.

00:38:04.160 Go ahead, guys.

00:38:05.140 I got one.

00:38:05.900 Because I get this question a lot.

00:38:07.940 What is it?

00:38:08.260 And I actually want to kind of address it because it's, frankly, part of my language,

00:38:12.180 just a bunch of bullshit from the internet.

00:38:14.260 What is it?

00:38:14.580 Ask about Alzheimer's scam.

00:38:16.420 You guys want to hear about that?

00:38:17.160 Who's that?

00:38:17.760 Yeah, it's like a bunch of – it's this – it's the thing we run for office.

00:38:21.660 Okay.

00:38:21.880 People make up the worst crap about – like literally we'll just have no problem on the internet

00:38:27.300 just like straight up telling lies about you.

00:38:29.560 Donald Trump, everybody's gone through it.

00:38:31.000 And you know what?

00:38:31.540 I've gotten into this world.

00:38:32.420 I've learned the same thing.

00:38:33.660 So I'll tell you about my business background.

00:38:34.820 Sure.

00:38:34.980 Because I think this is something that is – it's interesting.

00:38:37.620 I'm proud of it, but I also want to share the story to give people ideas of how they –

00:38:41.340 They're laughing.

00:38:42.120 That means they're laughing.

00:38:43.240 Okay, got it.

00:38:43.840 Yeah, go ahead.

00:38:44.340 I'm learning the lingo.

00:38:46.760 You are.

00:38:47.180 You are.

00:38:47.600 Yeah, you are.

00:38:48.120 You're doing great.

00:38:48.500 So I started a company after I left my job as an investor.

00:38:51.800 So I got my first job investing in biotech stocks.

00:38:54.680 Nice.

00:38:54.820 Super interesting.

00:38:55.520 Really interesting.

00:38:55.920 So I studied biology, applied that to figure out what companies were developing interesting medicines.

00:39:01.140 You make bets accordingly at Edge Fund.

00:39:03.080 Learned a lot doing that.

00:39:04.340 And then I saw an opportunity, which is that big pharma companies behave like governments.

00:39:09.760 They're super bureaucratic, and they're like lemmings.

00:39:12.660 They all go in the same direction at the same time, right?

00:39:15.240 So you mentioned people in the family with cancer.

00:39:17.280 Yeah.

00:39:17.660 Well, back in 2007, 2008, all the pharma companies were like, oh, no, no, we don't want to do cancer.

00:39:22.300 It's not a hot area.

00:39:23.040 But five years later, cancer is like the main area they want to go into.

00:39:25.960 They leave behind a bunch of other areas.

00:39:27.480 So in 2014, I started this company, and the whole premise was we'll develop the drugs in the area that big pharma has actually run away from.

00:39:36.660 And big pharma has run away from many of those areas after developing those drugs.

00:39:40.540 They do early research on them.

00:39:42.180 But then when they switch direction, a lot of those projects are hanging half complete.

00:39:45.460 Let's pick the best of those in the areas pharma is ignoring and develop those drugs.

00:39:50.260 And the whole model is, you know, some of them are going to succeed.

00:39:52.420 Some of them are going to fail.

00:39:53.640 That's drug development.

00:39:54.640 But even if you have a few successes in the world of developing new medicines, that's how it makes up for all the failures.

00:40:00.760 That's the whole model of biotech.

00:40:02.060 Got it.

00:40:02.380 So I ended up developing a company which focused on areas like women's health, focused on dermatology.

00:40:08.140 And then one of the areas that pharma had completely decided they were abandoning at the time was in Alzheimer's disease.

00:40:13.800 So one of the first drugs I developed, and it was the biggest challenge of my life, was an area with 99.7% failure rate.

00:40:22.360 Oh, my God.

00:40:22.660 Nearly every drug in Alzheimer's disease has failed.

00:40:24.880 So everybody in the farm industry threw their, you know, towel and said, we're not doing this.

00:40:29.360 I said, okay, there's a drug that this company GSK was developing.

00:40:32.740 They had gotten it partway through the process.

00:40:35.200 The guy who was heading their neuroscience division said, this thing has promise.

00:40:38.260 But they said, we're not doing Alzheimer's disease anymore.

00:40:40.580 Wow.

00:40:40.980 So I did a deal with them and said, you know what, we'll develop this drug.

00:40:44.280 And if we get it to the finish line, you guys participate in the upside of it.

00:40:48.120 Right.

00:40:48.300 But we got to take the risk of running that study.

00:40:50.580 So what we did is each, I did that for a bunch of drugs.

00:40:53.060 And each of those drugs, we took them public in their own separate subsidiaries.

00:40:56.260 So the Alzheimer's one went public.

00:40:58.220 And there's a chance it would succeed.

00:40:59.460 There's a chance it would fail.

00:41:00.580 Most Alzheimer's drugs fail.

00:41:01.840 Yeah.

00:41:02.240 We thought it had a good chance.

00:41:03.700 Took it to completion.

00:41:04.960 What do you know?

00:41:05.560 You turn over the trial.

00:41:06.820 The drug failed.

00:41:07.580 Okay.

00:41:08.480 Well, hey.

00:41:08.920 It sucks.

00:41:09.460 It's all right.

00:41:09.920 It sucks.

00:41:10.240 But hey, one of my great lessons in life.

00:41:12.160 You learned a lot from it.

00:41:13.040 You get through failure to success.

00:41:16.880 And so that drug didn't work.

00:41:18.060 So the thing that people made up, and this is,

00:41:19.920 this is like in American politics, one of the, way worse than business.

00:41:23.940 Dirtiest lines of business is American politics.

00:41:25.760 So what's the rumor?

00:41:26.620 So what they say is, oh, I made money off of that failure.

00:41:30.340 Oh, I see.

00:41:31.000 Because there was like a, was there a sale of shares in that company, Axevan?

00:41:35.260 Here's a hard fact.

00:41:37.020 Public information.

00:41:37.820 People want to go look it up.

00:41:39.020 Did not sell a single share of Axevan, that company, all the way through the failure.

00:41:43.640 Wrote it all the way down.

00:41:44.440 For me, it was like.

00:41:45.220 Did anybody around you sell it though?

00:41:46.780 Nope.

00:41:47.140 Nope.

00:41:47.660 Not me.

00:41:48.080 So why did they make up a lie about you?

00:41:49.560 They literally will just, people will make shit up with zero accountability.

00:41:53.860 Well, you know what, you know.

00:41:54.500 Which is ridiculous.

00:41:55.220 Well, you know, you know what I, you know what I saw.

00:41:56.580 Like everyone was Trump's friend.

00:41:58.160 Like before he was running.

00:41:59.080 Everyone.

00:41:59.540 Oprah would.

00:42:00.380 Oh, he's such a nice person.

00:42:01.460 And the stuff they made up about him.

00:42:02.600 Oh, it's horrible.

00:42:03.420 The stuff, I mean, the stuff I've, the people made up about me is by now a tiny comparison

00:42:06.840 to the stuff.

00:42:07.320 Oh yeah, they, they, they, they accused him of being the most craziest, horrible human

00:42:11.100 being.

00:42:11.640 They accused him of being this insane person, this, this felon, all the, made up stuff about

00:42:15.920 his businesses too.

00:42:16.620 It's crazy.

00:42:17.140 But the, but the moral of the story, I don't want to end on the, on the, on the sad part

00:42:20.400 because I think the reality is even though that drug failed, the company, and this is

00:42:25.360 the, my experience in my life is we're all strengthened by our failures.

00:42:29.960 The company got stronger in the sense that the people who worked there were doubly committed

00:42:33.920 to the mission.

00:42:34.960 They know we did everything the right way.

00:42:36.900 Then five other drugs get through phase three, succeed.

00:42:40.100 Those are FDA approved products today.

00:42:42.300 One of them is a life-saving therapy in kids where a hundred percent of kids die with this

00:42:46.800 disease by the age of three.

00:42:47.960 One of the drugs that we developed, 70% of those kids now live lives of normal duration.

00:42:52.620 It's a prostate cancer, a bunch of others.

00:42:54.240 That's actually insane.

00:42:55.020 And so that's how I generate my wealth.

00:42:55.840 And I just think, and that's like an $8 billion company traded on the NASDAQ today is Roivant,

00:42:59.900 the company.

00:43:00.180 You're a hero.

00:43:01.240 Seriously.

00:43:01.740 Thank you, man.

00:43:02.280 I'm proud of it.

00:43:03.560 That's crazy.

00:43:04.080 But one of the things that, that irritates me, but then you remind yourself, okay, this

00:43:09.340 is how things go.

00:43:10.600 You're a hero.

00:43:10.980 Is when people, when people sort of make the kind of stuff up that they've done with Donald

00:43:15.560 Trump or me or whatever, it's what deters people from going into

00:43:17.940 politics.

00:43:19.140 But you know what?

00:43:19.800 You speak the truth and good things happen.

00:43:21.720 Yeah.

00:43:22.240 I want to ask you a question because obviously like with my generation, I want to give people

00:43:26.180 kind of like a comfort thing.

00:43:28.980 What are your pronouns?

00:43:29.820 I go by like they, he.

00:43:31.420 What do you, what do you go by?

00:43:32.580 Win, win.

00:43:35.100 My buddy, my buddy Sneak, Nicholas is his real name.

00:43:39.560 He asked Vivek, how many genders are there?

00:43:42.260 There are two genders, male and female, period.

00:43:45.920 You know, I lost, you know, I lost, you know, I lost like millions of dollars of deals because

00:43:49.000 of that.

00:43:49.400 I didn't know that.

00:43:50.060 I tweeted that out two years ago.

00:43:52.140 See, this is where the biology class would have come in handy.

00:43:53.940 There's two X chromosomes, you're a woman, and X and a Y, you're a man.

00:43:57.240 Yeah.

00:43:57.420 Period.

00:43:57.880 Yeah.

00:43:58.320 And look, that doesn't mean that there's many different ways to be a woman.

00:44:00.920 You don't have to wear a skirt, you can wear pants, you can wear whatever you want.

00:44:03.280 Yeah, no, do whatever you want.

00:44:04.320 You want hair, short hair, do what you want.

00:44:05.300 Right.

00:44:05.660 But it is a biological hard fact that there are two genders.

00:44:09.340 For sure.

00:44:09.980 It's foundational, actually.

00:44:10.600 Yeah.

00:44:11.300 Across species.

00:44:12.200 I mean, reproduction, genetic diversity is fostered.

00:44:15.180 Yeah.

00:44:15.720 Through.

00:44:16.180 Yeah.

00:44:16.560 Male and female.

00:44:17.260 Of course.

00:44:17.800 Sex.

00:44:18.120 And the idea that, look, I think we, I don't want to, I think we sometimes get into the

00:44:22.820 habit of just trampling on people who are suffering.

00:44:26.140 And I don't want to do that because if you believe your gender does not match your biological

00:44:31.440 sex, especially if you're a kid, that means that you likely are suffering from a mental

00:44:36.000 health disorder, that you have a delusion.

00:44:38.200 And I think that our response should not be to laugh at that person.

00:44:41.180 It should be, it should be compassion.

00:44:43.140 Somebody's going through a hard time.

00:44:44.440 If they believe, despite having male sex organs and an X and a Y chromosome, and they

00:44:49.580 were born a boy, but then they get to 16 years old and decide they're a girl, that

00:44:53.920 means something else is probably going wrong in their life.

00:44:56.360 Yeah.

00:44:56.480 And we should actually have the compassion to figure out what that is and address it

00:45:00.160 rather than, you know, indulge a fantasy, which actually is worse for the very person.

00:45:06.520 Most people after going through gender conversion surgery, they don't, yeah, they don't have

00:45:10.260 this, it's not like their depression is suddenly gone.

00:45:13.040 They're still as unhappy as they were before.

00:45:15.280 It was just that they assumed that that was what was actually going to make them feel better.

00:45:18.500 Fulfilled.

00:45:19.160 Yeah.

00:45:19.340 And I've met, I've met young women who, two young women when I ranked for president

00:45:23.220 who cut off both their breasts.

00:45:25.320 One of them had her uterus removed.

00:45:26.900 Wow.

00:45:27.180 Took a bunch of chemical intervention.

00:45:28.900 It's horrible.

00:45:29.340 They're never going to be the same again.

00:45:30.400 And they regret their decision.

00:45:31.680 They wish they hadn't done that.

00:45:32.960 They're in their twenties, but they did it when they were in their teens.

00:45:35.800 I don't think somebody under the age of 18 should be allowed to make permanent decisions.

00:45:39.000 Ever.

00:45:39.480 I think 18 plus for sure.

00:45:40.640 Yeah.

00:45:40.660 I mean, if you're an adult, it's different if you're an adult.

00:45:43.020 Right.

00:45:43.280 Do what you want.

00:45:43.800 If you're an adult, do what you want.

00:45:44.500 Yeah.

00:45:44.700 As long as you're not hurting somebody else.

00:45:46.000 Of course.

00:45:46.460 Of course.

00:45:46.620 You don't get to compete with women in sports competitions.

00:45:49.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:50.160 Of course.

00:45:50.840 But broadly speaking, you want to live your life the way you want.

00:45:53.420 No problem if you're a fully grown adult.

00:45:55.000 Yeah.

00:45:55.260 You respect everybody's individual rights, but kids aren't the same as adults.

00:45:58.760 Yeah.

00:45:58.980 That's my view.

00:45:59.440 It just sucks, man, because obviously now you can kind of say what you want to say

00:46:03.360 and stuff now.

00:46:04.580 Things have changed, yeah.

00:46:05.600 Well, two, three years ago when I made a tweet about there's two genders, I lost out on

00:46:09.640 a bunch of stuff.

00:46:10.320 A bunch of deals.

00:46:11.400 Everyone started to kick me, ban me, all these things.

00:46:14.080 I just liked showing people the real side of me.

00:46:16.820 I just feel like when you hide behind something and of who you are and you can kind of like

00:46:21.300 mask certain things.

00:46:22.960 I don't know.

00:46:23.300 I just never really thought that was cool, but I am working on something big.

00:46:26.360 Like I said, I want to help people out.

00:46:28.000 I want to inspire people to do good things for people.

00:46:30.200 And that's kind of like the way I want to do my streams and what I do.

00:46:33.840 Yeah.

00:46:33.900 I just feel like America in general, right?

00:46:37.560 And the reason why I say America is because, look, you look at a country like Japan, it's

00:46:41.900 so fascinating.

00:46:42.820 I watched a video.

00:46:43.720 When somebody drops a pen and if you're walking down Shibuya, if you drop a pen, they're all

00:46:49.540 going to try to help you grab your pen and hand it to you.

00:46:51.840 You know, in America, you drop a pen.

00:46:53.480 Nobody will help you.

00:46:54.560 Not anymore.

00:46:55.140 Not anymore.

00:46:55.560 It's like we are in a, it's like we're so divided as a nation and it really sucks because

00:47:00.940 it's just, I don't know if it was COVID.

00:47:03.820 I don't know what it was.

00:47:05.000 I don't know when, because I was young at that point.

00:47:06.880 Maybe you know when there was a shift, but man, there was a shift at some point where

00:47:11.260 America really, like everyone just started saying, you know, F you to everybody and everyone

00:47:15.080 was separated and, you know, I don't know.

00:47:17.020 Maybe you know when that turn was.

00:47:19.020 I don't know that it was a turn.

00:47:21.880 I think we go through these cycles over time and over the years.

00:47:24.820 I mean, but I will tell you this idea of speaking openly, I believe that actually unites us.

00:47:30.400 I think that the idea that you could say these controversial things, they would say that,

00:47:33.240 oh, that's going to divide us.

00:47:34.780 Now, people feel more united when they actually are able to speak their mind freely.

00:47:39.980 So that first book I gave you, Woke Inc.

00:47:42.100 Yeah.

00:47:42.360 So I wrote that, so talking about my time as a biotech CEO, I told you about the business

00:47:46.040 background.

00:47:46.880 Let's continue that story a little bit.

00:47:48.180 So May of 2020, George Floyd dies.

00:47:50.920 You remember this?

00:47:51.480 Of course.

00:47:52.560 Riots across the street, what they call mostly peaceful protests.

00:47:55.360 It wasn't.

00:47:55.760 Riots.

00:47:56.180 Yeah, I know.

00:47:56.920 Riots across the streets.

00:47:57.360 Yeah.

00:47:57.480 The company was in New York.

00:47:58.800 And suddenly there was an expectation that every biotech and tech CEO is supposed to say

00:48:04.300 some statement in favor of BLM.

00:48:08.100 It didn't feel right to me.

00:48:09.140 I looked at the BLM website.

00:48:10.700 It said, Black Lives Matter website.

00:48:11.960 It said that they called for dismantling the nuclear family structure.

00:48:15.420 That didn't make sense to me.

00:48:16.940 But then also, I didn't think a company should be wading into this.

00:48:19.340 So I said that.

00:48:20.160 I said that our company is not wading into this.

00:48:22.480 Our company's mission is to develop medicines.

00:48:25.060 And we're not getting into that.

00:48:26.100 Yeah.

00:48:26.440 That actually created a lot of controversy for me.

00:48:28.260 It came in great...

00:48:28.820 Really?

00:48:29.100 I know you said you face a lot of consequences for saying there's two genders.

00:48:32.240 The equivalent of this for me was there was a lot of controversy in the biotech world.

00:48:36.660 I would say six months later, I refused to get into this realm of the company wading into

00:48:41.380 politics.

00:48:41.780 I basically had to make a choice.

00:48:43.100 Either I could remain the CEO of the company that I founded by then, a multi-billion dollar

00:48:46.720 company.

00:48:47.100 I've been the CEO for seven years.

00:48:48.720 I could remain the CEO and shut up on, you know, follow the line, toe the line, which

00:48:54.520 is just to say whatever the other CEO was, some statement in favor of BLM or whatever

00:48:57.820 the cause was of the day.

00:48:59.100 Yeah.

00:48:59.640 Or I could actually speak my mind, like actually tell people what was on my mind, which is

00:49:03.400 what I put in that book.

00:49:04.140 So you did.

00:49:04.560 But then I would have to step down as my job as a CEO, which I did.

00:49:07.040 Oh, you did?

00:49:07.840 Yeah.

00:49:08.060 So you stepped down to say what you really wanted to say.

00:49:09.800 Yeah, that's when I wrote the book.

00:49:11.020 And you know what?

00:49:11.580 That was a liberating experience for me.

00:49:13.820 So I'm sure it didn't feel good when you lost the deals that you lost at the time.

00:49:18.240 Yeah, nah.

00:49:18.840 But in the long run, you got to be you.

00:49:20.260 You know, it feels good to just know that, okay, here's one thing.

00:49:23.340 And I'm not saying a bunch of streamers are...

00:49:26.260 No, I wouldn't...

00:49:27.040 People in my realm, like people in my world realm, a lot of them are like, they have these

00:49:30.780 major signing deals and stuff.

00:49:32.580 And obviously, they have to kind of bite their tongue on what they can and can't say.

00:49:35.720 They're not allowed to have like a political opinion.

00:49:37.340 They're not even really allowed to speak about certain things.

00:49:39.500 And again, like if they want to go down that path and they want to be brand friendly and

00:49:42.180 stuff, I'm all for that.

00:49:43.100 Like let them do what they want to do.

00:49:44.440 Yeah.

00:49:44.780 I just always...

00:49:45.760 I just love the path of just being me.

00:49:47.300 Like at any moment, if someone's like, Aiden, what do you think about this?

00:49:49.520 I'm allowed to say whatever I want to think about it.

00:49:50.900 It's working out for you.

00:49:51.840 Yeah.

00:49:52.400 It's good.

00:49:53.160 But...

00:49:53.440 I mean, people are hungry for that.

00:49:54.720 Yeah.

00:49:57.040 My boy, this is a great question too from Sneak.

00:49:58.880 He said Luigi.

00:50:00.440 The whole thing about that Luigi guy.

00:50:01.720 I want to know your thought on that.

00:50:02.860 Because so many people were calling this guy a hero.

00:50:06.040 He's not a hero.

00:50:06.780 Well, he's a killer.

00:50:07.720 He might be deranged.

00:50:08.540 He might have deep-seated psychological issues.

00:50:11.240 But why are people saying that he's a hero?

00:50:13.920 And you know, it's like, is it because he was a handsome guy?

00:50:16.280 Like what was the actual reason?

00:50:17.920 It's interesting.

00:50:20.260 I don't think that played into it as much.

00:50:23.240 Only because people had already turned him into kind of like a...

00:50:25.800 The cult hero worship started even before they knew what he looked like, right?

00:50:29.680 Like it was initially...

00:50:30.640 That's true.

00:50:30.980 When the video came out, people were saying, you know, this guy's a hero.

00:50:34.580 All these things.

00:50:35.140 That already had started before.

00:50:36.200 Right.

00:50:36.700 I think it reveals that the people just have a lot of deep-seated frustration, right?

00:50:40.920 We live in a moment where people are understandably frustrated, that they feel like they've been

00:50:47.880 told that you go to four years of college, take on a loan, graduate, live the American

00:50:52.880 dream when it hasn't worked out that way.

00:50:54.620 You can't even make basic ends meet.

00:50:56.500 You may struggle to get health insurance.

00:50:58.340 You may not be able to afford what you think of as a reasonable way of life.

00:51:02.200 Even if you're working hard, you're not being able to access a better life for yourself.

00:51:05.500 So I think that there's a lot of latent frustration and mistrust of the system.

00:51:09.660 I think people feel like they've been lied to.

00:51:11.480 And why do people feel like that?

00:51:12.580 Because people have been lied to.

00:51:13.880 I think the government and our leaders in every domain of life haven't been forthright.

00:51:18.120 But then there's this culture of not being able to talk about it in the open that you

00:51:21.420 and I were talking about.

00:51:22.840 And when you tell people to shut up, sit down, do as they're told for a really long time,

00:51:27.060 they bottle that up and really toxic things start to happen.

00:51:30.440 All of that being said, that's not an excuse at all.

00:51:33.700 No, it's not.

00:51:34.860 It's completely unacceptable and disgusting and subhuman.

00:51:42.240 It's not the standard we want to hold ourselves to to say that somebody's going to kill another

00:51:45.440 person in cold blood in America.

00:51:47.360 You're going to see people celebrating that.

00:51:48.920 No.

00:51:49.320 It's crazy.

00:51:49.800 That's not us.

00:51:50.180 It's crazy.

00:51:51.000 But I think that the way we're going to address this is one, call that out.

00:51:54.520 There's no justifying it.

00:51:56.280 At the same time, understand that there's a deep sickness in our country, a mental health

00:52:00.000 epidemic, a deep sickness of frustration, a deep sense of disempowerment that we have

00:52:05.580 to give people a true sense that they're in charge of their lives again so that we can

00:52:11.180 get back to a place when a murderer kills somebody in cold blood that there isn't people

00:52:16.520 in America who thinks that that's an act worthy of celebration.

00:52:19.040 It's crazy.

00:52:19.360 Look, I think people, some people do deserve, like I'm all for like death penalty on some

00:52:26.160 occasions, like pedophiles in my opinion.

00:52:27.960 I think, look, I.

00:52:30.160 You're talking about a guy who's a healthcare CEO.

00:52:31.960 Yeah, I know.

00:52:32.740 I know.

00:52:33.060 I know.

00:52:33.240 You're talking about the guy who killed him.

00:52:34.480 No, no, no, no.

00:52:35.020 I'm just saying in general, like I just don't think like death, like killing is wrong,

00:52:38.660 right?

00:52:38.840 Killing is wrong.

00:52:39.200 Killing is wrong.

00:52:39.780 Yes.

00:52:40.260 But I'm all for like being like pedophiles.

00:52:42.860 Like that's why I love DeSantis.

00:52:45.040 He passed something where like pedophiles in Florida, they get death penalty.

00:52:48.480 I'm like, I personally like that.

00:52:50.220 I just, I think nowadays, man, with pedophilia and you see a bunch of like famous people who

00:52:55.380 used to work in Hollywood, stuff's coming out about them.

00:52:57.320 You see the Diddy stuff.

00:52:58.840 I mean, it's like, I mean, some of that stuff's just like, but it's crazy, right?

00:53:02.600 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:53:03.600 It's like, first of all, what do you think about the Diddy, by the way, the Diddy stuff?

00:53:07.340 I mean, what I think is, it sure seems like a lot of other people who are now coming out

00:53:13.260 with their virtue signaling.

00:53:14.760 I mean, anybody in Hollywood who immediately after that comes out trying to come out as

00:53:20.820 some sort of virtuous saint, you better, you better believe that they were probably part

00:53:25.120 of what was going on.

00:53:25.540 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:53:26.540 Like, bro.

00:53:27.060 It's insane.

00:53:27.880 I mean, you got the Epstein version in the business world and the political world.

00:53:30.620 Then you got the Diddy world in the music world.

00:53:33.040 Rappers, athletes, the top of the line.

00:53:35.040 Yeah.

00:53:35.240 It's like, come on, what do they know?

00:53:36.860 You know what I mean?

00:53:37.380 It's nuts.

00:53:38.020 I think that it wasn't that long ago either, by the way.

00:53:42.960 Like, I think this was a kind of a norm in the country that somehow, when it was with

00:53:46.700 respect to somebody who's in like a pop star position, you're supposed to look the other

00:53:50.920 way.

00:53:51.800 And, you know, I'm always a fan of somebody getting a fair trial and going through the

00:53:56.480 judicial process before we pass judgment.

00:53:58.160 But assuming some of those accusations are true, assuming that, shame on, like, our entire

00:54:05.880 country for turning our eye away from the kind of disgusting behaviors that we're hiding

00:54:12.980 in plain sight.

00:54:14.120 Epstein, Diddy, you name it.

00:54:16.120 You know, it's kind of shameful that we claim to be a values-grounded Christian values nation

00:54:22.420 or whatever when we're actually just tolerating all of this vile, vile child abusive behavior.

00:54:28.440 I'm not going to leak anybody specifically, but let me tell you this.

00:54:31.240 Some of the biggest musicians, like, they got paid to promote and endorse Kamala.

00:54:35.660 I know for a fact that they wanted Trump.

00:54:37.980 And I know for a fact, because I saw, check this out, I saw actual proof with my own eyes

00:54:42.380 of a private text conversation between somebody and somebody saying that I did this for the

00:54:46.700 bag.

00:54:46.940 I swear to God on everything I love.

00:54:48.100 I'm not lying.

00:54:48.460 Oh, that's really funny.

00:54:49.120 I promise you.

00:54:49.640 Oh, man.

00:54:49.980 So, it just goes to show you.

00:54:52.000 It's like, and I'm giving you an example of, like, how easy it is for people, you know,

00:54:56.240 in the A-listers to easily sell out, man.

00:54:59.060 It's like, you know, it's just, it's crazy.

00:55:01.540 It's really nuts.

00:55:03.260 It's nuts.

00:55:04.840 I'm telling you, it's nuts.

00:55:06.040 It's kind of.

00:55:07.140 It's scary, though.

00:55:07.920 It really is scary.

00:55:09.020 Because you're making, these guys are making hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:55:12.140 You really want to take a quick little five, ten million dollars to just go.

00:55:15.640 I mean, any amount of money, really.

00:55:16.860 But it's like, you already have a hundred mil.

00:55:18.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:18.680 It doesn't even make any sense.

00:55:19.560 It doesn't.

00:55:20.120 It doesn't make any sense.

00:55:20.540 This is none of my business, but, like, what's your net worth?

00:55:23.360 I'm sorry.

00:55:23.540 I'm not a billion.

00:55:24.060 I'm like a poor billionaire.

00:55:25.000 You're a billionaire?

00:55:25.420 I only have one.

00:55:26.320 What?

00:55:26.740 I don't have, like, multiple billions.

00:55:27.820 You have a billion dollars.

00:55:28.940 Yeah.

00:55:30.100 What?

00:55:30.780 That's crazy.

00:55:31.360 Okay, congrats.

00:55:32.120 A lot of people have a lot more than that, but, you know.

00:55:34.500 Congrats, though.

00:55:35.180 Thanks.

00:55:35.500 I appreciate it.

00:55:35.560 You're a billionaire, and, like, you say what you like.

00:55:37.660 Yeah, I mean, my view is, the funniest thing is, some of the people who are the most scared

00:55:42.600 of sharing their beliefs are actually billionaires, at least from, until about maybe a year ago.

00:55:46.680 That was definitely true in America.

00:55:47.940 Yeah.

00:55:48.160 And my view is, what's the point of having a billion dollars if you can't even speak your

00:55:51.120 mind?

00:55:51.380 That's true.

00:55:51.860 The true free person is the person who's actually able to speak his mind, and actually

00:55:55.860 be able to enjoy true freedom.

00:55:58.280 Of course.

00:55:58.800 And so, I don't think that happiness correlates all that much with how much money you have,

00:56:03.140 actually.

00:56:03.600 No, definitely.

00:56:04.000 I really don't.

00:56:04.340 I think you need to have a certain minimal amount to be able to-

00:56:06.560 For freedom.

00:56:07.260 Yeah, to be able to put food on the dinner table.

00:56:09.440 Yeah.

00:56:10.820 To be able to make sure that, you know, if you get sick, which everyone does at some

00:56:14.180 point, that it doesn't bankrupt you.

00:56:15.480 That much is important.

00:56:16.420 But above that, you know, I don't think your happiness necessarily correlates to how much money

00:56:20.520 you have.

00:56:20.600 No.

00:56:20.820 I want to ask you a personal question.

00:56:22.160 Is there a difference between $50 million and $100 million?

00:56:25.280 Yeah.

00:56:25.660 A lot more taxes.

00:56:26.600 Oh, okay.

00:56:27.500 Besides the tax part-

00:56:28.420 I'm just kidding.

00:56:28.620 I'm just kidding.

00:56:30.100 Well, I'm not kidding about that.

00:56:30.980 That's true, too.

00:56:31.600 Yeah, it is.

00:56:32.500 You know, I mean, yeah.

00:56:34.640 Depends on just what your view of the world is, man.

00:56:36.880 Like, I think that our house, you know, we're grateful for where we live, but it's like

00:56:41.460 some people come to our house, it's like, oh, it's just like a- it's a beautiful

00:56:45.320 house when I said, but it's like a regular house.

00:56:46.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:47.340 And it's like, oh, wait.

00:56:48.820 That's not like a traditional billionaire house.

00:56:51.040 And it's like, would I be happier if I had, like, more space to take care of?

00:56:55.600 Like, maybe.

00:56:56.040 We also like going on, you know, vacations to nice places, but I also like having a house

00:56:59.800 that's not that different than the one that I grew up in as a kid.

00:57:02.160 Yeah.

00:57:02.380 And so, I don't know, man.

00:57:03.480 I don't think, like, with difference between 50 to 100 million.

00:57:05.680 I think at a certain point, what you can do is you can start using that money to do good

00:57:10.840 for other people.

00:57:11.700 Yeah, of course.

00:57:12.500 Or to change the country for the better, hopefully.

00:57:15.140 Of course.

00:57:15.560 Or at least in the way you want to.

00:57:16.420 Like, that, to me, that is a threshold you could hit where if you're, you know, able

00:57:22.620 to write a $100,000 check, that could change somebody's life.

00:57:27.260 And, you know, I think you can't do that if you're, you know, or if you have a family,

00:57:32.220 but you're a millionaire, you're worth two million bucks, but, you know, you can't necessarily

00:57:36.700 just take that money out of your accountant without thinking about it, donate it to some

00:57:40.000 cause that you believe in if you also have a family that you feel like you need to take

00:57:43.360 care of, so that, to me, is, I think, one of the liberating parts about actually generating

00:57:47.180 liquid wealth is that you can then at least start putting it to use in ways that you think

00:57:53.000 actually make the country better.

00:57:55.960 100%.

00:57:56.280 I want to ask you a question.

00:57:57.660 It's already 8.30.

00:57:58.260 How long do I have you?

00:57:58.960 Because this is amazing.

00:57:59.800 This is pretty good.

00:58:00.480 I really do love this.

00:58:01.680 Maybe let's, I got to fly back tonight, so maybe we'll go till nine.

00:58:04.620 How's that?

00:58:04.920 All right, we've got 30 minutes with them.

00:58:06.160 Chat, how do you help?

00:58:06.780 First of all, chat, I love this.

00:58:08.260 This is great.

00:58:08.680 I don't usually do this.

00:58:09.720 I really don't.

00:58:10.860 It's fun, man.

00:58:11.520 I like your downstairs, too.

00:58:12.620 I was shooting some boops on the way up.

00:58:14.080 Pretty good.

00:58:14.880 You're a ping pong player?

00:58:16.440 Yeah, I actually do.

00:58:17.660 I play ping pong.

00:58:18.080 We'll play a game before we go.

00:58:19.140 Cool, cool.

00:58:20.740 They're actually enjoying it, too, man.

00:58:22.040 They're putting Ws, which is meaning a win, meaning they like you.

00:58:24.780 I love how you have to translate this for me.

00:58:26.420 That's right.

00:58:26.920 You got, like, the guy with the mustache.

00:58:28.300 That means they're laughing at you, yes.

00:58:30.780 It's the cacua.

00:58:31.440 That's called the cacua.

00:58:33.440 Ask him about social media censorship.

00:58:35.320 My boy here is asking this question.

00:58:37.280 Let me just give you a little background.

00:58:39.220 He's been on Instagram.

00:58:40.480 He's been on YouTube.

00:58:41.480 You know him?

00:58:41.940 It's Nico, yeah.

00:58:42.800 He's my good friend.

00:58:43.840 That's really funny.

00:58:44.720 Okay, you can see this.

00:58:46.540 Social media censorship.

00:58:47.640 So I'm dead set against it.

00:58:49.080 Yeah, okay, okay.

00:58:50.100 I'm dead set against it.

00:58:51.060 There's multiple levels of social media censorship.

00:58:53.080 One is when social media companies ban particular expression of content on their website, I'm against that.

00:59:00.080 And I think the reason they've been doing it is, in many cases, the government has been threatening them behind closed doors to do it.

00:59:06.600 Got it.

00:59:07.140 When you mean the government, do you mean like the-

00:59:08.580 The U.S. government.

00:59:09.360 I'm saying the presidential administration who's currently in office?

00:59:13.860 Most of the Biden administration.

00:59:14.520 So the Biden administration, okay.

00:59:15.600 It's happened to the Biden administration.

00:59:16.500 But frankly, even under the first Trump administration, you have a lot of actors in what's called the deep state, okay?

00:59:22.200 The people who we never elected to run the government, but for a few bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., where the president has no visibility into what they're doing.

00:59:28.920 They think of themselves as totally unaccountable.

00:59:30.740 Right.

00:59:30.920 Where behind closed doors, they tell these tech companies, hey, you've got to remove that or else we're going to come after you.

00:59:35.280 Got it.

00:59:35.460 Well, then those tech companies censor that content, but that's not really big tech censoring the content.

00:59:39.480 It's the government censoring the content.

00:59:40.960 Makes sense.

00:59:41.460 Which in the United States of America, the government's not allowed to do because we have a speech.

00:59:43.900 For speech, of course, yeah.

00:59:44.380 Exactly, the government says the government can't do that.

00:59:46.200 Yeah.

00:59:46.500 So what the government started to do is they started to threaten these companies to do through the back door what the government could not do through the front door under the Constitution.

00:59:54.180 So that's one kind of social media censorship.

00:59:55.860 But let me talk about a different kind of social media censorship.

00:59:57.740 Okay.

00:59:57.980 I talked about this when I ran for president and got myself in major trouble.

01:00:02.000 Actually, I want people to remember this.

01:00:03.680 Okay.

01:00:03.880 I'm glad we're talking about this.

01:00:04.840 Uh-oh.

01:00:05.640 So in 2023, when I said this, it's 2025 now.

01:00:09.780 In 2023, when I said this, this wasn't considered like, ooh, that was kind of brave.

01:00:14.420 This was considered heretical.

01:00:16.220 What did you say?

01:00:17.260 This was in the Republican Party, the idea that this could, like a candidate for president could say this was nuts.

01:00:22.980 What I said was, I don't think we should ban TikTok.

01:00:25.540 And what I said was, in fact, I'm going to join TikTok.

01:00:29.260 Now, today that feels normal.

01:00:31.860 In 2023, go back and watch the debates.

01:00:35.360 They tried to eviscerate me for this.

01:00:37.840 They said, how are you going to join this toxic platform?

01:00:40.840 My view is, if you want to reach the next generation, are you sure you just want the other side to have a monopoly on it?

01:00:46.000 And instead, everybody and their mother was in favor of the Republican Party of banning TikTok.

01:00:51.560 And I just thought it's a bad idea where we don't want to act like we're not going to beat China by being China.

01:00:55.640 And if it's TikTok today, it'll be X tomorrow.

01:00:58.320 It'll be Snapchat the next day.

01:01:00.360 You can't set that precedent in the United States.

01:01:02.720 So that's what I believed.

01:01:03.720 Yeah.

01:01:04.540 And one of the things I've learned is, in business, it's a big advantage.

01:01:07.460 It pays to be early.

01:01:08.560 Got it.

01:01:08.980 In politics, it does not pay to be early.

01:01:10.620 Got it.

01:01:11.280 If you're too early in politics, all people remember is that that was a guy who said some really weird things.

01:01:16.740 I don't remember what they were.

01:01:17.840 But actually, those weird things ended up being right.

01:01:19.780 Because now most Republicans, most Republican influencers are on TikTok.

01:01:23.160 Even some of the very ones who back then were hitting me hard for being on TikTok,

01:01:27.080 they're now making their name and making their careers on TikTok as well.

01:01:31.620 So I think that that's a different kind of social media censorship is just censoring entire platforms,

01:01:37.260 which I'm against as well.

01:01:38.160 My question to you, this is, you know, with TikTok, obviously, it's ran by China.

01:01:41.660 They have all our information.

01:01:42.960 But at the end of the day, we get everything from China.

01:01:44.740 Everything's made in China.

01:01:45.560 So it's like, I don't know.

01:01:46.960 Solve the actual problem.

01:01:48.520 So how do we solve it?

01:01:49.480 How do we solve it?

01:01:50.080 Because it's not solved yet.

01:01:50.920 The number one app on the iTunes app.

01:01:54.620 What?

01:01:55.460 Apple store is...

01:01:56.620 TikTok.

01:01:57.140 Well, now, DeepSeek.

01:01:58.820 Guess where that came from?

01:01:59.680 China.

01:02:00.000 China.

01:02:00.280 Yeah.

01:02:00.420 And they use way less money, right?

01:02:02.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:02.760 That's a separate point, too.

01:02:03.600 But it's just so funny that like everybody fixated on TikTok when there are plenty of other Chinese

01:02:07.520 apps in the app store.

01:02:08.560 Right.

01:02:08.980 That's just like, oh, well, that wasn't what made the news headlines.

01:02:11.180 And therefore, I'm not going to pay attention to it.

01:02:12.620 Right, right.

01:02:13.220 I just prefer applying principles across the board.

01:02:16.100 Are you...

01:02:16.400 Oh, someone said...

01:02:17.180 I know this is personal.

01:02:17.920 Someone said, are you vaccinated?

01:02:19.140 COVID?

01:02:19.840 Vaccinated?

01:02:20.080 I did take the COVID vaccine.

01:02:20.920 You did?

01:02:21.240 Yeah.

01:02:21.720 And I will say it was because I wanted to travel around, man.

01:02:24.300 Like we were...

01:02:24.840 Oh, yeah.

01:02:25.320 You couldn't travel without it.

01:02:26.720 You could travel without it.

01:02:27.600 I'm a big tennis fanatic and I wanted to go to the US Open.

01:02:30.380 You couldn't do it.

01:02:30.900 I would just say, you know, was I at risk for it?

01:02:33.660 Thank God I was not.

01:02:34.720 Yeah.

01:02:34.920 And even at the time, we didn't even know what this was going to do.

01:02:37.340 But did I want to get on with my life?

01:02:38.800 I did.

01:02:39.020 You just wanted to live your life.

01:02:39.980 Yeah.

01:02:40.240 They're asking this one thing.

01:02:41.400 I don't really know if I should ask.

01:02:42.640 Here, you could just...

01:02:44.040 Wait, hold on.

01:02:45.340 Let me pull it up for you really, really quick.

01:02:47.180 Sorry.

01:02:47.640 This...

01:02:48.040 I don't even know what that is.

01:02:49.140 That right there.

01:02:50.460 Did you prefer me to...

01:02:51.100 A lot of people are asking about the APAC.

01:02:53.000 What is that?

01:02:53.760 Ask about APAC.

01:02:54.780 Oh, this guy keeps going.

01:02:56.040 Ask him.

01:02:56.420 Yeah, so APAC is basically a PAC.

01:02:59.840 Oh, here's a PAC.

01:03:00.680 It's like a political donation group.

01:03:04.560 But APAC is a particular political donation group that supports the cause of Israel and

01:03:08.780 the United States.

01:03:09.440 Oh, okay.

01:03:10.020 So they're saying, ask about APAC.

01:03:11.500 And I think that probably what they mean is like, what's the influence of APAC on our

01:03:15.160 politics?

01:03:15.740 Here's the truth.

01:03:17.500 The influence of all kinds of PACs on our politics is huge, right?

01:03:22.020 There are all kinds of PACs.

01:03:23.820 But there are all kinds of...

01:03:25.260 I don't want any kinds of malicious foreign interference in the United States.

01:03:29.980 There are all kinds of malicious foreign interference in the United States.

01:03:32.420 Of course.

01:03:32.900 No, of course.

01:03:33.420 Yeah.

01:03:33.740 And at least as it relates to APAC, they're a lot more transparent.

01:03:37.580 Say what you will about it.

01:03:38.380 They're a lot more transparent than other kinds of foreign influence in the U.S.

01:03:42.060 So I'm not a big fan of politicians turning into puppets of PACs.

01:03:46.220 That's just, unfortunately, the way modern politics works.

01:03:48.460 So a better second best solution is at least have enough competition in the marketplace

01:03:52.240 such that it's transparent to everybody.

01:03:55.300 And at least you know who's paid for by whom.

01:03:58.220 And at least then people can judge for themselves whether their politicians are actually telling

01:04:02.280 the truth.

01:04:02.660 That's where I land.

01:04:03.340 Got it.

01:04:03.800 Got it.

01:04:04.240 Got it.

01:04:05.360 Let's see here.

01:04:06.520 Let's see.

01:04:06.960 Let's see.

01:04:07.280 Let's see.

01:04:07.640 Let's see.

01:04:07.980 Let's see.

01:04:11.360 Ask about George Soros.

01:04:13.880 Who's that?

01:04:14.820 George Soros is a very wealthy man who has funded democratic causes and has effectively

01:04:21.520 turned a lot of prosecutors across the country into soft on crime, you know, left-wingers.

01:04:29.640 Okay.

01:04:29.860 So basically a lot of crime waves in many cities across the country have gone up.

01:04:33.660 Right.

01:04:34.020 After George Soros helped fund the election of prosecutors.

01:04:37.480 Got it.

01:04:37.860 That no longer prosecuted even violent crimes or theft or robbery.

01:04:42.900 It's part of why San Francisco and other cities have actually done that.

01:04:45.200 Oh, because of him?

01:04:46.320 Well, I mean, you could say it's a lot of reasons, but was he funding the prosecutors

01:04:49.640 who were going soft on crime?

01:04:51.380 Yes, he was.

01:04:51.960 Got it.

01:04:52.380 And was it part of a vision of just rolling back prosecution and tough on crime policies?

01:04:55.980 Yes, it was.

01:04:56.680 Got it.

01:04:57.000 And so I think a lot of people are understandably, I'm among the pissed off that you have somebody

01:05:01.780 using vast amounts of wealth to put prosecutors in seats where they're not actually enforcing

01:05:07.160 the law in ways that leave everyday Americans suffering.

01:05:09.900 Makes sense.

01:05:10.280 Yeah.

01:05:10.440 Makes sense.

01:05:10.940 What else you guys got, man?

01:05:12.700 We don't got him from that much longer.

01:05:14.280 Oh, you like UFC.

01:05:15.920 Yeah.

01:05:16.280 Who's your favorite fighters?

01:05:17.680 Actually, it's probably not a popular answer, but I like Bo Nickel, actually.

01:05:21.020 Really?

01:05:21.340 Yeah.

01:05:21.660 That's your favorite?

01:05:22.520 Well, because he's got his scrappy style.

01:05:27.440 Yeah, I think he does what he needs to do to win.

01:05:31.560 So it's not designed to be, you know, it's like, it's not designed.

01:05:35.200 I'm not doing all, I'm not doing any frills.

01:05:37.800 The scoring system is set up the way it is.

01:05:39.940 Yeah.

01:05:40.060 I'm going to do what it takes to it.

01:05:40.940 I've also gotten to know him a little bit.

01:05:42.440 Oh, nice.

01:05:43.140 Okay, cool.

01:05:43.640 He's a good guy.

01:05:44.120 We went to the Penn State game, we went to the Penn State-Ohio State game in Pennsylvania

01:05:47.720 together, which Ohio State thankfully won, but we hung out that day.

01:05:50.860 And I always admired him from afar in terms of his discipline.

01:05:53.940 Yeah.

01:05:54.120 But I forgot to know him.

01:05:56.460 I said, okay.

01:05:57.060 That's cool.

01:05:57.880 No, UFC is such an awesome thing.

01:06:00.320 It's a good sport.

01:06:00.820 I love it.

01:06:01.340 Yeah, it's great.

01:06:02.040 It's so amazing.

01:06:02.920 It's also kind of one of these things we were talking about business before, about finding

01:06:06.020 undervalued opportunities.

01:06:07.820 It existed, but the thing I love about Dana White and the Fertitta Brothers is they spotted

01:06:11.840 that opportunity.

01:06:12.900 And they were like, oh, no, no.

01:06:13.740 So market that and build that the right way.

01:06:17.400 This could actually be a little bit of structure around it.

01:06:20.580 It could be huge at a time where people thought that was going to be a nothing.

01:06:23.400 I love that.

01:06:23.860 It's like the same way that we were looking at, I was giving you the examples of like

01:06:26.320 biotech drugs that pharma had abandoned.

01:06:29.000 They were all the way over here.

01:06:30.380 When I met Dana and his investors, I told him about the analogies in the worldview.

01:06:34.480 They saw value where others did not.

01:06:36.860 Right.

01:06:37.020 And they made it something great.

01:06:38.520 That's so cool.

01:06:39.020 So I respect that story.

01:06:39.860 That's cool.

01:06:40.700 What about TV shows?

01:06:41.600 You watch any TV shows?

01:06:42.800 You know, I mean, TV's not good anymore.

01:06:44.840 It's really not, actually.

01:06:45.680 TV's like not good.

01:06:46.700 And you know, I miss good movies, too.

01:06:48.980 So I used to be a big movies guy.

01:06:50.880 I'm just, you know, there aren't great movies made quite in the same way anymore.

01:06:55.260 Right.

01:06:55.400 I like, I like, you know, some great movies.

01:06:59.260 I love Interstellar.

01:07:00.180 I love The Dark Knight.

01:07:01.780 I love Whiplash.

01:07:03.040 That's her.

01:07:03.560 Yeah, Whiplash is good.

01:07:04.540 Dark Knight's really good, too.

01:07:05.600 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:06.000 You know, I've never seen Interstellar.

01:07:07.240 High quality movies.

01:07:07.720 Interstellar was good.

01:07:08.320 It makes you think.

01:07:09.020 Yeah.

01:07:09.220 It makes you think.

01:07:09.960 Yeah.

01:07:10.040 Okay.

01:07:10.420 So I mean, I like just like quality.

01:07:12.220 High quality.

01:07:12.780 I've heard this movie, what was it?

01:07:13.940 The second, Jura, Jura number two, I heard it was pretty good.

01:07:16.520 It's a Clint Eastwood movie.

01:07:17.780 So it's on my list to watch, but I haven't seen that.

01:07:19.900 I just recently watched Shutter Island with Leonardo.

01:07:21.860 Shutter Island's pretty good.

01:07:22.420 That's a cool movie.

01:07:23.100 It's a pretty psychological thriller.

01:07:23.700 You gotta think about it.

01:07:24.880 You gotta rewatch it.

01:07:25.900 It's cool.

01:07:26.520 Totally.

01:07:27.220 That's a good one.

01:07:27.940 They want to know about JFK.

01:07:31.280 What?

01:07:31.880 I'm sorry.

01:07:32.320 I want to know about JFK.

01:07:34.560 So it makes two of us, or makes a bunch of us.

01:07:36.960 I will say that, you know, Trump has been probably most forthright in his willingness

01:07:44.240 to declassify the stuff you're not supposed to touch.

01:07:46.800 Yeah.

01:07:46.900 Actually, give the public transparency.

01:07:48.520 JFK, MLK, give it, give me a Malcolm X.

01:07:51.940 Wait, I saw something come out about MLK.

01:07:53.480 Is that true?

01:07:54.680 Well, I mean, look, I think that his biography was written last year.

01:07:57.760 There's a lot of documents that have been declassified.

01:08:00.840 I think we should just see historical figures for who they are.

01:08:02.900 Got it.

01:08:03.340 Got it.

01:08:03.740 Great men are imperfect men.

01:08:07.880 Yeah.

01:08:08.140 And so a lot of people who have done great things, I mean, people say the same thing about

01:08:11.000 our founding fathers were imperfect.

01:08:12.360 We're all imperfect beings, but we don't need to make up mythology and pretend that our

01:08:16.580 figures from history were perfect human beings.

01:08:18.440 That's the problem, though.

01:08:19.240 In order to still admire the parts of them that were respectable.

01:08:21.160 Definitely.

01:08:21.400 My view is, you know, whether or not, just give us the truth.

01:08:26.680 Yeah.

01:08:27.300 JFK, just give us the truth.

01:08:29.660 And I think transparency, I think, is the way forward because people trust their government.

01:08:34.340 When the government says, oh, no, no, people can't handle the truth, then people actually

01:08:37.700 imagine far worse than the truth might have even actually been.

01:08:41.500 Just tell us the truth.

01:08:42.300 Got it.

01:08:42.520 And be straight about it.

01:08:43.000 I think President Trump's been good about that, as good as we've had in modern history.

01:08:47.460 And I hope he continues that for the next couple of years.

01:08:49.540 Definitely.

01:08:50.120 Do you think the Earth is flat?

01:08:52.200 No.

01:08:52.640 No.

01:08:53.000 Okay.

01:08:53.300 I don't think so either, by the way.

01:08:54.720 I just don't.

01:08:55.920 You know what I think is most compelling proof?

01:08:58.260 What?

01:08:58.840 Photographs of Earth taken from outer space.

01:09:00.540 But those are not real.

01:09:02.060 I think.

01:09:02.820 Those are AI.

01:09:03.580 I think a lot of them actually are real.

01:09:04.700 Oh, they are?

01:09:05.200 I think a lot of them predated AI.

01:09:06.500 Ah.

01:09:06.960 Yeah.

01:09:07.540 I'm always one to question conventional wisdom, but I'm sorry the Earth is not flat.

01:09:11.900 Do you think that we've ever been to the moon?

01:09:14.960 I do.

01:09:15.460 So, why haven't we been there, like, anytime soon?

01:09:17.480 I think we need to go back more, actually.

01:09:19.300 I'm a big fan of returning.

01:09:20.180 Would you?

01:09:20.380 I thought we, okay, because, look, and again, maybe I'm incorrect.

01:09:22.660 Actually, it's interesting you bring that up.

01:09:23.920 I think one of the targets of space exploration should include, I mean, I'm a fan of all of

01:09:28.640 the above, Mars, moon, but I think we're a little bit underweight on going to the moon.

01:09:32.660 Well, didn't we send a chimpanzee to the moon, right?

01:09:35.860 We sent a monkey to the moon, right?

01:09:37.880 You might know something I don't.

01:09:39.320 No.

01:09:39.660 You might know something I don't.

01:09:40.120 I'm missing.

01:09:41.320 Something got sent to the moon here.

01:09:42.760 I don't know.

01:09:43.120 Yeah, you might know something I don't, but I'm a big fan of continuing to expand our exploration

01:09:49.600 and even preparation for long-term life on the moon.

01:09:54.020 I think that's strictly good.

01:09:55.580 No, I mean, it's fascinating.

01:09:56.160 I think, like, no, you're right.

01:09:58.080 Do you think, within the next 10 years, do you think that we'll be able to live on Mars?

01:10:02.960 The next 10 years is...

01:10:05.220 20, sorry, 20.

01:10:06.180 I think 20 is...

01:10:07.680 I would bet on that.

01:10:09.040 Would you live on Mars if you had the option to?

01:10:11.080 I'd have to learn more about it.

01:10:12.440 I like Earth a lot.

01:10:13.820 Yeah, of course.

01:10:14.880 And this is sort of...

01:10:16.100 My view is for exploration of human...

01:10:20.780 For the expansion of humankind's possibilities, go as far as we possibly can and learn as much

01:10:25.600 about the universe as we possibly can.

01:10:27.080 Got it.

01:10:27.480 For the purpose of individual satisfaction, if you believe that you have to look that far

01:10:33.000 to find actual satisfaction, it means you're not looking close enough to home.

01:10:36.780 So that's the way I look at it.

01:10:37.480 I love that.

01:10:38.100 Yeah.

01:10:38.400 It's great.

01:10:39.220 Great.

01:10:39.580 What other funky question you guys got?

01:10:40.980 I love how open you are, too.

01:10:42.340 It's really amazing.

01:10:43.000 I got you, man.

01:10:43.440 I like this.

01:10:43.940 I think people...

01:10:44.440 It's really awesome.

01:10:45.220 People seem to like that about you.

01:10:45.640 No, it's just awesome, this dynamic.

01:10:47.760 It's great.

01:10:48.600 I think you being...

01:10:50.000 Okay, UFOs, aliens?

01:10:52.000 You know, I mean, you got to have that intellectual humility, right?

01:10:56.040 Yeah.

01:10:56.260 Are there phenomena about outer space or even phenomena that have been observed in the Earth

01:11:00.900 that we need to be curious about and learn more about?

01:11:02.920 That's hard to argue with.

01:11:04.400 But, you know, I'm not...

01:11:05.380 I'm a guy who's grounded in fact, so I'm not going to make up fairy tales.

01:11:08.260 Gotcha.

01:11:08.860 Yeah.

01:11:09.220 So you think there are?

01:11:10.300 I'm open-minded to the possibilities that we do not know everything we think we know

01:11:16.820 about what exists, whether life exists in outer space or not, and even whether there

01:11:21.800 are other forms of intelligent non-human life even on Earth.

01:11:25.120 I have no idea.

01:11:25.880 Got it.

01:11:26.760 I haven't seen evidence to that.

01:11:27.820 I haven't seen evidence to that effect on Earth, but I do think that it is a...

01:11:31.220 Certainly, when you think about the expansiveness of the universe, the idea that we are the

01:11:35.760 only intelligent beings in the entire universe, I think is at least...

01:11:39.680 It's not a crazy question to ask.

01:11:41.080 No, it's not.

01:11:41.460 And I think that we should have curiosity to explore it.

01:11:43.980 At the same time, I don't think that you should just make stuff up and believe in something

01:11:48.380 without evidence of it existing either.

01:11:50.380 Got it.

01:11:50.720 I'm an evidence guy.

01:11:51.560 Got it.

01:11:52.320 What are your thoughts on AOC?

01:11:54.640 I don't have a lot of...

01:11:55.340 I don't think about AOC that much.

01:11:56.840 I don't have a ton of thoughts.

01:11:59.180 I think she, at times, has said some interesting things, maybe.

01:12:04.400 I think Bernie is maybe more interesting to me, frankly, if I'm looking at figures on

01:12:08.400 the hard left.

01:12:10.200 I find Bernie slightly more interesting than AOC.

01:12:14.600 Yeah.

01:12:14.980 Yeah.

01:12:15.480 That's what I would say.

01:12:16.160 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:16.520 There's not really anything interesting to talk about there.

01:12:18.600 Yeah.

01:12:19.060 I think Bernie's a little bit more interesting just because he's willing to take positions

01:12:22.700 that actually sometimes will challenge the left.

01:12:25.480 And I think it's always interesting...

01:12:27.260 It's super boring when you have politicians in either political party where, like, the

01:12:31.740 only thing they say is the thing that they are supposed to say...

01:12:35.820 Yeah, of course.

01:12:36.520 ...for their political party.

01:12:37.340 You see it all the time.

01:12:38.100 And it actually, like, it irritates me when I see it amongst fellow Republicans.

01:12:40.960 Like, even when you run for president, you see this stuff.

01:12:43.220 Like, other people on, you know, who are in partisan politics.

01:12:49.320 They literally just sort of check what they're supposed to say they say.

01:12:52.340 So anyway, what I like about Bernie is he's on the hard left and I disagree with him

01:12:55.200 on most issues.

01:12:57.000 And at times he'll just say stuff that actually people on the left will be like, wait a minute.

01:13:02.360 He wasn't supposed to say that.

01:13:03.500 Oh, wow.

01:13:03.760 And the guy seems to just not really care.

01:13:05.700 So I haven't told this story before, but when I was running for president, I was in

01:13:10.620 the backseat of a car in D.C.

01:13:11.860 And I think Bernie had just said something kind of interesting.

01:13:13.760 I forget what it was.

01:13:15.020 I was like, I texted my old friend.

01:13:16.600 I had a friend who had worked in the Obama administration.

01:13:19.180 I was like, you have Bernie Sanders' phone number.

01:13:20.680 He's like, I'll get it for you.

01:13:21.520 And so he gave it to me and I just picked up the phone and I called Bernie Sanders.

01:13:27.060 And I think he thought it was some type of, he thought it was some type of prank call.

01:13:30.600 No way.

01:13:31.040 Yeah, I was like, hey, it's Vivek Ramoswam.

01:13:32.440 He doesn't, he, like, I think he did not believe that it was actually me.

01:13:35.260 And he was just like, he kind of lost it.

01:13:37.560 And then we never ended up talking.

01:13:38.960 But I'm sure we'll end up, I'm sure we'll end up meeting at some point.

01:13:41.400 That's great.

01:13:41.740 Does he know that or that was your first time I've ever seen that?

01:13:44.340 I don't know.

01:13:44.860 I don't, I doubt he knows it.

01:13:46.080 Yeah.

01:13:46.200 Oh my God.

01:13:46.660 I decided not to follow up by other things too.

01:13:48.780 But in that particular moment, I thought it'd be kind of interesting to give a call.

01:13:51.440 That is.

01:13:52.020 That's funny.

01:13:52.740 Yeah.

01:13:53.040 That's funny.

01:13:53.940 Come on, guys.

01:13:54.560 We've only gone for a little long.

01:13:55.720 You are really an interesting guy.

01:13:57.800 You should come to Ohio, man.

01:13:58.880 I'm coming.

01:13:59.540 I'll come.

01:13:59.980 I promise you.

01:14:00.580 Hey, were we going to, um.

01:14:02.160 Yes.

01:14:02.400 I'm waiting.

01:14:03.660 It's about 10 minutes-ish.

01:14:04.520 Okay, good.

01:14:04.900 Yeah, I got you.

01:14:05.420 Don't worry.

01:14:05.820 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:06.520 Well, guys, I'll let him give you a little background on that in about 10 minutes or so.

01:14:10.180 I started joining, yeah.

01:14:10.580 Yeah, we're going to have something cool.

01:14:12.660 What else you guys got, man?

01:14:13.840 This is some really awesome stuff.

01:14:15.300 Wait, so what part of Ohio are you from?

01:14:16.880 What part?

01:14:17.140 I grew up in Cincinnati.

01:14:18.100 Oh, okay, nice.

01:14:18.820 Yeah, Cincinnati's a good city, but I live in Columbus today.

01:14:20.880 Okay.

01:14:21.640 So, um, yeah, we used to go to Columbus a lot growing up.

01:14:23.880 Columbus is a pretty nice city.

01:14:24.920 Is it cold, by the way, right there?

01:14:26.360 It's pretty frigid, yeah.

01:14:27.400 Yeah.

01:14:27.600 But it's okay.

01:14:28.380 I mean, you deal with, like, no big deal.

01:14:29.740 Of course.

01:14:29.960 I like living in Columbus, and I like visiting places like Miami.

01:14:33.940 It's good.

01:14:34.420 It gives me an appreciation.

01:14:35.420 So, what do you like more?

01:14:36.280 I like having four full seasons, though.

01:14:38.180 Okay.

01:14:38.620 Okay, yeah, yeah.

01:14:39.260 That makes sense.

01:14:39.660 I value that.

01:14:39.920 It's real.

01:14:40.400 Yeah.

01:14:40.740 Yeah.

01:14:41.200 What do you like more, Miami or L.A. as of right now?

01:14:45.360 As of right now?

01:14:46.360 Yeah.

01:14:47.240 As of right now, definitely.

01:14:48.560 But that's because of the political circumstance.

01:14:50.420 If it weren't for the man-made damage done to California and L.A.

01:14:54.140 Cali, definitely.

01:14:55.120 I would prefer L.A.

01:14:55.640 Me too, yeah.

01:14:56.320 I like elevation.

01:14:57.220 I like to hike.

01:14:57.920 I like Miami, but, like, there's no mountains here.

01:15:00.060 No, there's not.

01:15:00.200 Same thing as Ohio, there's no mountains.

01:15:01.400 Yeah.

01:15:01.540 I mean, L.A., you know, just L.A. and the surrounding areas, it doesn't really, just the nature,

01:15:06.400 it doesn't get much more beautiful than that.

01:15:07.860 It's the best.

01:15:08.400 You have everything.

01:15:08.900 There's no mountains, snow, mountains, everything.

01:15:10.100 Totally, totally, yeah.

01:15:11.240 It's great.

01:15:11.820 So, at its best, but obviously the way it's been mismanaged, you probably don't want to

01:15:15.260 be there right now.

01:15:15.920 Right.

01:15:16.260 By the way, did you see what happened with Selena Gomez?

01:15:18.140 I did not.

01:15:18.840 You gotta watch that.

01:15:19.720 Matter of fact, can we get that link right now?

01:15:21.060 I gotta show it to you.

01:15:22.300 I saw, I feel like I, in my social media feeds, have seen her name pop up more recently

01:15:26.880 now that you mentioned it in the last day, but I have not.

01:15:29.600 Oh, do you listen to music?

01:15:30.860 What are your top three, like, artists or musicians?

01:15:32.940 You know, it used to be, I like classical, I like solid rappers.

01:15:37.080 Oh, really?

01:15:37.540 Yeah, old school rappers.

01:15:38.380 I mean, I used to like Eminem until...

01:15:40.020 Me too.

01:15:40.420 ...until he changed.

01:15:41.580 Until he changed.

01:15:42.260 I know, I know.

01:15:43.020 I like Eminem 1.0.

01:15:44.220 I know.

01:15:44.880 I know, because he's like a savage.

01:15:47.000 He doesn't care about any...

01:15:48.160 Yeah.

01:15:48.420 You know, I love Slim Shady.

01:15:50.640 That's...

01:15:50.960 The real Slim Shady.

01:15:51.580 The real Slim Shady.

01:15:52.100 Yeah, the OG Slim Shady.

01:15:53.160 Yes.

01:15:53.960 Yes.

01:15:54.580 That's good.

01:15:55.300 I like, you know, I mean, I actually like classical music also.

01:15:59.160 Nice.

01:15:59.580 Funny enough.

01:15:59.940 Like Beethoven and stuff?

01:16:00.900 Yeah, Beethoven and Mozart.

01:16:01.900 Nice.

01:16:02.080 I play the piano myself and...

01:16:03.760 That's great.

01:16:04.640 So what about you?

01:16:06.440 Right now, for me, Drake.

01:16:08.340 I like Kanye, Drake, J. Cole.

01:16:11.660 I like...

01:16:12.860 You know his concert I went to in Columbus recently, who's actually really, like, really freaking

01:16:17.200 talented, is Lupe Fiasco.

01:16:18.680 Oh, yeah.

01:16:18.980 He is?

01:16:19.380 Yeah, of course.

01:16:20.060 He's one of the OG guys.

01:16:21.340 Yeah, we were just...

01:16:21.960 My wife and I, we were just taking...

01:16:22.860 We're at dinner one night, and we were looking up what was going on, and he was just performing.

01:16:27.340 And actually, the place we went, it was surprisingly not big.

01:16:30.560 It was just like a smaller kind of club.

01:16:33.200 Maybe a few hundred people.

01:16:34.780 I was listening to this guy.

01:16:35.500 This guy's seriously talented.

01:16:37.240 Lupe Fiasco, yeah.

01:16:37.960 He's got some hits.

01:16:38.920 Yeah, I think he's going to make a comeback.

01:16:40.200 I'll predict that.

01:16:41.100 I love that.

01:16:41.600 I think he's solidified.

01:16:43.560 I think he's great.

01:16:44.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:44.540 But the comeback, for sure.

01:16:45.920 I'll go on record.

01:16:46.800 I think I'm going to predict a second comeback for him.

01:16:48.740 Oh, wow.

01:16:49.300 I love to hear that.

01:16:50.180 I love to hear that.

01:16:51.740 Wait, what'd you say, Lico?

01:16:53.360 Or pin?

01:16:53.840 Okay.

01:16:54.460 So, I don't know.

01:16:55.600 I don't have the speaker here, but you can kind of hear it through here.

01:16:59.900 So, Selena Gomez was crying about the deportions, but she deleted it quickly after.

01:17:05.640 Hold on.

01:17:05.960 Let me just go like this.

01:17:06.860 You can kind of hear it through here.

01:17:08.160 Okay.

01:17:08.700 All right.

01:17:09.160 One second.

01:17:09.800 Here.

01:17:09.920 This is Selena Gomez video?

01:17:11.140 Yeah.

01:17:11.280 Okay.

01:17:11.760 I didn't see this.

01:17:13.540 Oh, wait.

01:17:14.120 Hold on.

01:17:14.380 I'm just going to have you listen to it.

01:17:16.480 Here.

01:17:16.700 You can put these on.

01:17:17.220 All right.

01:17:17.300 This sounds good.

01:17:17.640 Yeah.

01:17:18.040 Put those on.

01:17:18.880 Let me know if you can hear it.

01:17:19.580 Ready?

01:17:19.960 How old is she to set contact?

01:17:22.120 Just like to adjust for the emotional response.

01:17:25.140 Wait, chat.

01:17:25.640 How old is she?

01:17:26.840 Because I don't want to be ragged in one person.

01:17:28.320 She is, she is, let's see.

01:17:33.160 Put play, put play.

01:17:34.720 40.

01:17:35.120 She's 30.

01:17:35.940 Oh, okay, okay.

01:17:36.820 Do you hear it?

01:17:37.360 I just want to say that I'm so sorry.

01:17:40.180 All my people are getting attacked.

01:17:46.180 The children.

01:17:51.060 I don't understand.

01:17:54.020 I'm so sorry.

01:17:55.320 I wish I could do something, but I can't.

01:17:58.480 I don't know what to do.

01:18:01.760 I'll try everything.

01:18:04.280 Yes, that was it.

01:18:06.500 I'm just, I haven't seen more than that clip.

01:18:09.860 It didn't strike me as real.

01:18:12.860 It didn't strike me as real.

01:18:14.300 Of course not.

01:18:14.880 She, she reviewed it.

01:18:16.040 It didn't strike me as real at all.

01:18:16.920 Yeah, she reviewed it and then she posted it.

01:18:18.960 It doesn't make.

01:18:19.420 It's just like, it's one thing.

01:18:20.540 Self to camera.

01:18:23.200 Yeah, of course.

01:18:24.220 I don't know.

01:18:25.180 I, I, I, I didn't buy it.

01:18:27.240 I wonder that.

01:18:27.960 It's like, you, you, you, you recorded that.

01:18:30.920 You waited a little bit and then you posted it.

01:18:32.760 It's just like, okay, then upload.

01:18:34.360 Wait till then upload.

01:18:35.440 It's all, upload fail.

01:18:36.920 Do that again.

01:18:37.620 Yeah, of course.

01:18:38.220 Oh, I didn't record it right.

01:18:39.100 Rerecord, you know, like that's, you know.

01:18:41.420 But no, seriously, yeah.

01:18:43.020 I don't know.

01:18:43.440 I, I, you know, it was, it was.

01:18:44.960 Yeah, I don't know.

01:18:45.800 Was that, was that like a big deal on the internet?

01:18:47.340 Yeah, it went viral, viral everywhere.

01:18:49.580 Yeah.

01:18:49.780 Everyone was like, I can't believe this.

01:18:51.280 This is hilarious.

01:18:52.160 Yeah.

01:18:52.520 I think, I think it probably convinced many more people to be in favor of mass deportations.

01:18:59.220 Probably.

01:18:59.660 It was like some sort of ingenious, uh, psyop, maybe.

01:19:03.520 Well, I want to ask you a quick question here.

01:19:05.600 I love America.

01:19:06.540 I really do love this country.

01:19:07.680 Yeah.

01:19:08.340 Um, what are your actual thoughts on mass, uh, deported, what is it?

01:19:12.040 Mass deportation.

01:19:12.800 Yes.

01:19:13.040 I know what it is.

01:19:13.580 I just, well, cause here's my thing, right?

01:19:15.680 Yeah.

01:19:15.820 It's like, look, some immigrants in my opinion are good.

01:19:19.120 Like they are.

01:19:19.900 I'm not saying like all people are bad.

01:19:21.620 I'm just saying like, there's bad people that come to this country and there's good people

01:19:24.420 that come to this country.

01:19:25.360 Yeah.

01:19:25.640 I want to find a way where, well, not me obviously, but I want there to be a way where the good,

01:19:30.080 the good people can come and be here and they come to America like the right way and all

01:19:33.940 that stuff.

01:19:34.320 But like the bad criminals and the, and the, and the, the guys that come in here and they

01:19:37.920 do all the damage, they got to get out.

01:19:39.560 Yeah.

01:19:39.660 So like, what do you, what do you, yeah.

01:19:40.820 What are your thoughts?

01:19:42.520 So my thoughts are, um, follow the law, the rule of law.

01:19:47.860 Oh yeah.

01:19:48.160 So, so you're right.

01:19:49.440 I like the way you framed it.

01:19:50.440 Yeah.

01:19:50.720 Yeah.

01:19:50.820 But what's an easy way to first separate the good from the bad, or at least the bad.

01:19:55.460 The first way of separating the bad is if your first act of entering the country broke

01:19:59.140 the law, then you don't get the right to remain here.

01:20:02.000 Got it.

01:20:02.480 Period.

01:20:02.880 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 It's that simple.

01:20:03.420 Yeah.

01:20:03.680 Of course.

01:20:04.200 If you did not come legally, there's a lot of people who are trying to do it the right

01:20:07.300 way, waiting in line, years may never come to this country, despite the fact they would

01:20:11.660 work hard and make contributions.

01:20:12.880 All those people are following the law.

01:20:14.600 If you decided to just come in through the back door across the Southern border, your first

01:20:18.740 act of entering this country broke the law and we're going to send you back.

01:20:20.880 But the, the one caveat to that is the government's given them a wink and a nod for a long time.

01:20:25.100 Like Biden's given them a wink and a nod.

01:20:26.320 So maybe it's, they're not a bad person, but they still broke the law.

01:20:29.860 So my view is, if you look at the people who came in just in the last two years of Joe

01:20:34.220 Biden, you're talking about millions of people in just those last two years who illegally

01:20:38.840 entered this country.

01:20:39.560 It's insane.

01:20:40.180 I think every one of those people, at least, should be returned to their country of origin.

01:20:44.520 I think most people think that's reasonable because some of the arguments you'll hear

01:20:46.720 is, oh, people have established roots in this country and what are you going to do?

01:20:49.300 No, somebody who came here in the last 12, 18, 24 months.

01:20:52.460 No, I'm sorry.

01:20:52.880 They have not established roots in this country.

01:20:54.880 If they entered illegally, return them to the country of origin.

01:20:57.840 Start with that.

01:20:58.380 That's already millions of people.

01:20:59.620 That is a mass deportation.

01:21:00.200 That's crazy.

01:21:00.700 No, it is.

01:21:01.040 In fact, not only is that a mass deportation, that alone would be the largest mass deportation

01:21:06.340 in American history.

01:21:07.100 And I think that that is morally, ethically, not only justified, but necessary to protect

01:21:13.660 the people who live in this country.

01:21:15.740 True Americans.

01:21:16.600 As law-abiding citizens.

01:21:17.560 Yeah.

01:21:18.380 Yeah.

01:21:18.800 No, I want to just tell you something really quick.

01:21:20.600 So my buddy, his name is Vitaly.

01:21:22.000 Like, he used to do these, he would catch pedophiles, meaning he would hire an actor who looked

01:21:26.300 like a 16-year-old boy.

01:21:27.720 He would really be like 20.

01:21:28.780 He would hire an actor.

01:21:29.600 They would go to LA.

01:21:30.720 It would be an illegal person who would try to meet up with a little 16-year-old boy who's

01:21:35.640 like 35 years old.

01:21:36.880 Let me tell you this one thing.

01:21:38.140 So this, this like 45-year-old man, right?

01:21:41.200 He meets up with this, again, 16 years old.

01:21:44.060 He has meth, okay?

01:21:45.540 And he's illegal.

01:21:46.180 He's not from California.

01:21:47.660 Interesting, yeah.

01:21:48.240 The cop comes.

01:21:49.600 He lets the guy go for free with the meth on the table.

01:21:52.340 Tells him to get out, go away.

01:21:54.180 And the cop says to Vitaly, you keep recording these pedo catches.

01:21:57.140 We're going to arrest you for basically filming some.

01:22:00.740 Unbelievable.

01:22:01.320 Isn't that crazy?

01:22:02.040 It is crazy, but I learned a lot about this.

01:22:04.040 Last year, I was an executive producer on a movie.

01:22:06.640 We're talking about movies.

01:22:07.440 Yeah.

01:22:08.280 Check it out, if you don't mind.

01:22:09.560 It's called City of Dreams.

01:22:10.720 Okay.

01:22:11.120 The movie City of Dreams.

01:22:12.200 I'm going to write it down.

01:22:12.900 I'm actually going to write this down.

01:22:13.680 Yeah.

01:22:13.920 It is about, it tells a, it's based on a true story of this young man who is a boy.

01:22:19.300 Okay.

01:22:20.740 15 years old, who is trafficked into the United States of America from Pueblo, Mexico.

01:22:25.800 Okay.

01:22:26.020 Into LA.

01:22:26.520 Okay.

01:22:27.360 And it is a riveting story.

01:22:29.240 Exactly, some of the incidents that you described, exactly the same type of situation where the

01:22:33.440 cops would actually get in trouble for going after.

01:22:37.100 The guys who were actually doing the trafficking rather than actually just sit back and let

01:22:42.760 them get away with it.

01:22:43.280 It's crazy.

01:22:44.180 It's insane.

01:22:45.060 So, so in some ways you can only explain this to people who don't believe it, but if you

01:22:47.580 watch that movie, it at least highlights one boy's story.

01:22:50.700 This boy actually managed to escape.

01:22:51.940 You produced it?

01:22:52.780 I was an executive producer.

01:22:53.580 Let me ask you a question.

01:22:54.500 And if it's a no, it's a no.

01:22:55.580 Is there a possible way you can give me copyright so I can watch it on my live stream in front

01:22:59.300 of my chat or not?

01:22:59.980 Dude, let me, let me see if we can work on that for you.

01:23:01.780 For real?

01:23:02.180 I will work on that for you.

01:23:03.040 Oh my gosh.

01:23:03.640 Actually, let me, let me, let me, you want me to make me call the guys right now?

01:23:06.800 Yeah, what?

01:23:07.520 Of course.

01:23:08.260 Let's see.

01:23:08.720 But I wanted to, there was a second part.

01:23:10.300 Okay.

01:23:10.620 Yeah.

01:23:10.800 So then we did a petto catch in Miami.

01:23:12.960 The police here, guess what they did?

01:23:14.300 They arrested him.

01:23:15.240 And guess what?

01:23:16.540 It was, it was a 24 year old guy who wants to meet up with a 16 year old.

01:23:20.060 Yeah.

01:23:20.420 He had HIV AIDS.

01:23:21.960 He was going to give it to a 16 year old boy.

01:23:24.020 We got him arrested.

01:23:25.180 He got, he got a charge.

01:23:27.100 We actually put him in jail.

01:23:28.480 Florida police.

01:23:29.420 They did the right thing.

01:23:30.320 Yeah.

01:23:30.500 I mean, most of the country has common sense.

01:23:32.640 I think you just need the courage to sound and call the director of the movie.

01:23:35.120 See if he's cool with it.

01:23:36.760 How you doing, man?

01:23:41.880 Are you kidding?

01:23:42.500 So I was with, I was with Sean earlier today.

01:23:44.700 I thought of you, but I can tell you, I'm actually live on a stream right now with Aiden

01:23:48.740 Ross.

01:23:49.120 Do you know him?

01:23:51.520 Of course he says he interviewed Trump.

01:23:53.420 That's what he said.

01:23:53.860 Oh, that's great.

01:23:54.400 So he has a question and it's zero pressure, dude, but he says, as I was talking about

01:23:59.760 City of Dreams, cause he was talking about human trafficking in the U S and I said, he

01:24:03.180 has people have to watch this movie.

01:24:05.020 He asked, would he, would it be cool if he actually streamed the movie live to his viewership

01:24:11.160 without like violating any, any, uh, rights and stuff?

01:24:14.540 Does that work?

01:24:15.820 Can we arrange for that?

01:24:16.820 Streaming just opened on Hulu, he says on Friday.

01:24:25.640 Okay.

01:24:26.100 Okay.

01:24:28.520 Okay.

01:24:31.080 So can you talk to Hulu?

01:24:32.480 Cause, cause it would be, it would, I'm sure they could work it out with Aiden to make

01:24:35.660 it work.

01:24:36.060 Yeah.

01:24:36.240 I'd make it work.

01:24:36.880 It'd be huge for everybody.

01:24:37.920 Cause he has a big followers.

01:24:39.220 Hulu would be great.

01:24:40.640 I'd love to work with Hulu.

01:24:41.700 He says he would love to work it.

01:24:42.760 Come on, let's go.

01:24:44.940 It's a good movie.

01:24:45.880 Yeah.

01:24:46.020 I'll put you guys on a text.

01:24:54.520 Oh, that's great.

01:24:55.500 He's a, maybe he may, he has some ideas on how to make it work.

01:24:57.860 I think we got to make it work.

01:24:58.700 So we're literally live on the stream right now.

01:25:00.680 So I'm going to, I'll, I'll hook you up with him on text and I think it will actually

01:25:04.700 get, especially when you have a kind of a younger audience.

01:25:07.120 It will be like a younger audience, uh, to watch them.

01:25:09.900 Yeah.

01:25:10.040 They're not really old, old, but they're, they're getting there.

01:25:12.220 Yeah.

01:25:12.400 Yeah.

01:25:12.680 Yeah.

01:25:13.140 I'll hook you up with Aiden after that.

01:25:15.060 I'll, I'll put you guys on a text.

01:25:17.100 Sounds amazing.

01:25:18.380 Take care, brother.

01:25:19.140 Bye.

01:25:19.600 Bye.

01:25:20.240 Good dude.

01:25:20.820 Dude.

01:25:21.080 Thank you.

01:25:21.880 No, I mean, we'll see.

01:25:22.800 He says it's going to work.

01:25:23.440 He wants to make it work, but he did this deal with Hulu.

01:25:25.300 So they got to jump through, you know, make sure it's done the right way.

01:25:27.700 But you guys will figure it out.

01:25:28.700 You should totally do it.

01:25:29.460 No, I will.

01:25:30.120 It is.

01:25:30.520 And it's, it's like, I don't mean to be bragging about my own movie that I was executive producer

01:25:33.700 of.

01:25:34.140 I don't make money off of this.

01:25:35.240 It's the goal is to achieve impact, to be able to at least educate people about an issue.

01:25:40.180 Yeah.

01:25:40.460 But it's like, when you have like a heavy handed, like documentary movie, it's just

01:25:44.360 like, people know it's an issue, but they don't feel like watching it.

01:25:46.780 Yeah.

01:25:47.200 No, I know.

01:25:47.620 The goal with this movie is, it was made to be at once, it's like a thriller, actually.

01:25:52.820 It's made as like a movie that is a, designed to be a thriller, but it is actually a true,

01:25:58.120 based on a true story that educates people on an issue that otherwise they're, they have

01:26:02.800 no clue about.

01:26:03.520 I love that.

01:26:03.980 I think even most people who will watch this will be like, that can't possibly be happening

01:26:07.040 in the United States.

01:26:08.800 And then you go actually open your eyes and it's like, once you see it, you can't unsee

01:26:12.420 it.

01:26:12.640 It's actually a story.

01:26:13.440 It's like the one that you just described.

01:26:15.060 Yeah.

01:26:15.240 It's crazy.

01:26:16.120 Yeah.

01:26:16.540 It's insane.

01:26:17.260 I mean, it just really is.

01:26:19.240 Guys.

01:26:19.820 That'll be, that'll be a super good stream.

01:26:21.340 Oh, please.

01:26:21.640 If you have to come to Ohio sometime or do it, I'll, I'll even try to join you if you

01:26:24.680 guys do that one remotely.

01:26:26.360 What I would like to do with you our next time, we only have a few minutes here, but guys,

01:26:30.360 this is great.

01:26:31.080 I think this is a really amazing dynamic here.

01:26:33.440 I, I honestly feel like I could literally conversate with you for hours.

01:26:36.460 Yeah.

01:26:36.840 I don't know what it is.

01:26:37.460 It's fun.

01:26:37.760 You're very, very good at speaking.

01:26:39.140 I mean, obviously, but like it just, it's insane.

01:26:41.020 We could do more of this.

01:26:41.420 We could do more of this.

01:26:42.120 I will come to Ohio.

01:26:43.460 We could do an IRL stream and do some fun stuff and like in real life.

01:26:46.840 Yeah.

01:26:47.060 Oh, well, we're going to have a camera follow us and do.

01:26:49.360 Sounds great.

01:26:49.980 Yeah.

01:26:50.440 Sounds great.

01:26:51.220 I'd love to.

01:26:52.060 Let's do that.

01:26:52.820 Yeah.

01:26:54.140 Guys, before we, we, we, we do, you know, we say goodbye or whatever.

01:26:58.980 I do want to say he loved the idea of helping me find somebody.

01:27:03.820 I told you guys, I'm looking for people with stories out there.

01:27:06.580 I'll let you obviously give the background, the context about the story, but guys, we,

01:27:10.660 you know, I explained to him how I'm trying to help out one person per stream to motivate

01:27:14.160 at least one viewer out there to do something nice, just, just, just to help heal the world.

01:27:18.540 And I know it may sound corny, but it's really not because if one person doesn't think it's

01:27:22.440 corny, one person can use it and apply it to the real life.

01:27:24.620 I win for the day.

01:27:25.440 And that's how I look at it.

01:27:26.180 So with that being said, he picked somebody and you can give it a, a little update on

01:27:30.000 Eric.

01:27:31.000 Is Eric on, is he on the screen?

01:27:32.840 We, we have his stuff.

01:27:33.780 We're about to, we're going to give him a call.

01:27:35.200 If you want to just give like a quick 30 seconds to them about Eric.

01:27:38.560 Go ahead.

01:27:39.040 So Adrian and I were talking and you were keen on, you know, particularly thinking about

01:27:43.180 a younger person who might be going through some, some struggles.

01:27:46.560 Yeah.

01:27:46.760 And that's one of the things I care about as well is, um, so this is a good guy.

01:27:51.400 He's, I met him.

01:27:52.480 He's a senior at Ohio state and his dream in life was to serve in the military, serve our

01:28:00.140 country.

01:28:00.520 And I love that.

01:28:01.280 I respect that.

01:28:02.260 I met him because he ended up being an intern for me where like when I was doing my

01:28:06.560 presidential campaign in the period afterwards, he started interning.

01:28:10.080 He was open to do anything for an internship, but he ended up being the guy who helped me

01:28:13.260 with a lot of the camera work, which is actually not an easy job, but he was so diligent.

01:28:17.260 We didn't really, we didn't speak directly, but there was this, be this guy who's tall

01:28:21.120 young man showing up.

01:28:22.280 I would recognize him.

01:28:23.940 And then after a while I started talking to him, his name's Eric.

01:28:26.300 And I said, okay, thank you for being so diligent early hours of the morning, or if

01:28:30.080 it's a late hour in the night of a trip, whenever I'm needed, unless he plays in a band,

01:28:34.260 unless his band has a concert, he would always be game to just show up.

01:28:38.060 I just asked him, what's your passion?

01:28:39.640 He said, I want to serve in the military.

01:28:41.060 He was really excited about it.

01:28:42.680 What happened over the course of the last year was he had shared at the time that he

01:28:47.600 registered for ROTC, he signed up for ROTC.

01:28:50.280 You know, that is like on the college campus.

01:28:51.560 Yeah.

01:28:52.080 They train you and recruit you into the military.

01:28:54.420 Yeah.

01:28:54.980 But they also pay for part of your education.

01:28:57.040 So that's part of the, part of the positive of being able to pay for your education, but

01:29:02.880 then you serve in the military afterwards.

01:29:04.260 He told him when he signed up, everything about him, including the fact that he had

01:29:08.100 a peanut allergy, no big deal, knows how to handle it, lived his life the whole way.

01:29:12.340 Later, when it comes to his senior year, he goes back and just reveals the same thing

01:29:16.040 he's shown them before, which is that he had a peanut allergy.

01:29:18.300 They're just like, oh, no, no, no, no.

01:29:19.700 Sorry.

01:29:20.560 Despite the fact you've gone through the whole program, put all of this time and effort in,

01:29:24.120 you can't serve.

01:29:24.940 And by the way, you don't get your money.

01:29:26.540 It's horrible.

01:29:27.120 That you thought you were going to get.

01:29:28.480 Scam.

01:29:28.800 And so he was, he went through a tough time this year with that.

01:29:32.940 And he asked me if there was anything I could do to help him.

01:29:36.200 He didn't even ask me that.

01:29:37.440 I asked him if there was anything I could do to help him.

01:29:40.320 And he was, he was just humble about it.

01:29:44.140 He said, look, I'd just like to serve my country.

01:29:45.720 I introduced him to Pete Hegseth, who very recently was confirmed as our Secretary of

01:29:51.040 Defense.

01:29:51.740 I think he had a good conversation.

01:29:53.920 But I always told him that I'd help him if I could.

01:29:56.500 And he's so diligent at what he does that if I could hire him on my team to do something,

01:30:00.460 I would.

01:30:01.000 But his passion is to serve in the military.

01:30:02.620 In the meanwhile, he was screwed over out of the money that he thought he was going to

01:30:07.640 have help pay for his situation.

01:30:10.460 So anyway, I hope he doesn't mind me having shared all of that.

01:30:13.500 But when you called me and said, think of who's a young person, maybe in their 20s or

01:30:21.020 whatever, who we could think about helping out, who deserves it, who is somebody who is

01:30:27.740 a good example for all people and young people in the country, I thought of Eric.

01:30:33.940 That's great.

01:30:34.420 Yeah.

01:30:34.860 That's great.

01:30:35.440 And guys, again, it's an amazing story.

01:30:38.180 And it's just unfair sometimes.

01:30:39.860 It's super unfortunate, this specific story.

01:30:44.840 But I'm really, really happy he brought Eric to call in.

01:30:49.100 And we're going to help him out.

01:30:50.340 And it's a great moment.

01:30:51.940 It's a really, really good moment.

01:30:53.520 Shout out to Eric.

01:30:54.240 And honestly, he has that hero mindset where he wanted to just basically protect all of

01:30:59.540 us and, you know, and I love, I love people that are all for, you know, being a part of

01:31:04.880 the military and literally any branch at all.

01:31:09.320 You're, you're, you're here on my book and I look at you so differently.

01:31:12.140 It's just this country.

01:31:13.960 It's to, to have the love and, and, and, and, you know, you want to help serve and protect

01:31:18.300 it.

01:31:18.580 It's, it's, it's beautiful really.

01:31:20.140 And it really is.

01:31:20.760 So put a dub in the chat for Eric.

01:31:22.680 I'm going to call him in right now over, uh, discord.

01:31:25.280 Um, let's, uh, let's get him, uh, let's call him up really, really quick.

01:31:29.200 Prismal, did you, uh, oh, he connected.

01:31:32.120 Perfect, perfect, perfect.

01:31:33.620 Okay.

01:31:33.980 Let's give him a call really quick.

01:31:36.400 Let me call him really quick.

01:31:37.360 Let me call him, let me call him.

01:31:38.640 I'm going to put this higher.

01:31:42.140 There he is.

01:31:43.900 Oh, he got a haircut.

01:31:45.360 Hey, can you hear me?

01:31:46.400 We can hear you.

01:31:47.240 I'm sorry.

01:31:47.700 It's going to be a little bit low, Eric.

01:31:49.640 Uh, talk.

01:31:51.760 Hey, can you hear me?

01:31:52.660 You can hear me.

01:31:53.060 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:31:54.140 We can hear you.

01:31:55.100 Hey, awesome.

01:31:56.400 Thanks for having me on.

01:31:57.220 I appreciate it.

01:31:57.900 No, of course.

01:31:58.840 Um, Eric, look, man, it's, it's a pleasure to meet you and connect with you.

01:32:02.640 And, um, I'm really, really happy that, uh, you know, Vivek had connected you and I together.

01:32:07.540 Um, I was so fascinated by your story and I just want to say, I appreciate you.

01:32:11.300 The whole chat's putting W's in the chat because, you know, you're, you're a hero, man.

01:32:14.720 And, um, people really admire that.

01:32:16.420 And, you know, you've, you've just won.

01:32:18.260 I don't want to take words out of your mouth, but you've, you've wanted to protect, uh,

01:32:22.220 and fight and, and, and, and, you know, be, be a hero to this country.

01:32:25.120 And I just want to tell you, I personally, I appreciate you.

01:32:27.380 And this chat does as well.

01:32:28.640 Well, I appreciate that.

01:32:31.260 Thank you very much.

01:32:32.240 Um, you know, my whole life, I always wanted to be a part of that elite group.

01:32:36.540 Um, that though, I mean, those are the true heroes, you know, I'm not a hero by any means

01:32:40.960 at all.

01:32:41.640 Um, I just wanted to, to, to be given the opportunity to be, to be a part of that elite group.

01:32:46.480 Um, and I, you know, I tried my hardest and I think I tried my best and, and, and I was

01:32:52.160 able to pick up that scholarship through ROTC.

01:32:55.440 Um, so I picked that up and, um, I took, uh, after I was able to pick up that scholarship

01:33:00.820 and get that contract, I was going to be, um, an aviator from Marine Corps.

01:33:04.580 That is when I started going through the medical process.

01:33:07.400 And that is when, um, everything kind of got caught up and, and, uh, kind of ended

01:33:12.720 the middle of my junior year.

01:33:14.820 Got it.

01:33:15.240 So you did not end up getting the scholarship though, right?

01:33:17.140 They didn't get worked out, the money.

01:33:19.660 So no, I never got the money.

01:33:21.220 I, I had earned the scholarship.

01:33:22.740 So I, I had got, like, they gave it to me.

01:33:25.740 I never got the money though, because in order to actually get the contract and get the scholarship

01:33:30.760 was I had to pass through the medical process.

01:33:33.220 And that is where I got tripped up.

01:33:35.360 And I went through immunotherapy, um, trying to take different doses of, of, of nuts to

01:33:41.580 try to bridge that, um, or to try to overcome that allergy.

01:33:45.200 And, uh, ultimately it, it didn't work out, but, um, that's correct.

01:33:49.620 I was never, never given the money.

01:33:51.900 Got it.

01:33:52.540 Well, look, um, what I could tell you what I could do for you today, Eric, is, uh, we're

01:33:56.420 going to give you $20,000 today.

01:33:58.480 Um, and that's, you know, hopefully that'll help you take care of what you need to be, you

01:34:02.600 know, at least if it's a piece or whatever it is, hopefully this can help you, man.

01:34:05.560 And, uh, you know, like I said, if I would love for you to give, um, some, some words

01:34:09.720 for people in your position, people that want to, you know, acquire education like yourself

01:34:13.900 and, uh, you know, uh, you could just say some words as well.

01:34:17.020 Um, for sure.

01:34:19.140 And I, honestly, I'm speechless.

01:34:21.320 Thank you very much.

01:34:22.600 Um, from the bottom of my heart, it means the world to me.

01:34:25.460 And, um, you know, my family thanks you.

01:34:28.760 Um, my family, it's very, they're a very service oriented family.

01:34:32.440 My dad is a lieutenant on the fire department in Chicago and my mom's a nurse and she's a

01:34:36.700 professor now.

01:34:37.800 My brother's a firefighter as well.

01:34:39.120 And they just work so hard to help send me to school and get me through school.

01:34:44.040 And, um, from the bottom of my heart and the bottom of their hearts, thank you very

01:34:47.400 much.

01:34:47.760 It means the world to me.

01:34:49.240 How much was the scholarship amount?

01:34:52.980 So I believe it would have been at my stage, it would have been two years of college.

01:34:57.360 So around a hundred thousand, I believe.

01:35:01.760 Um, that you missed out on.

01:35:03.000 Because, right, because I picked up because, because when I joined the program, I entered,

01:35:08.240 it's called the college programmer.

01:35:09.640 So they're not on scholarship.

01:35:10.760 And the whole idea is you need to earn, um, your way through the scholarship.

01:35:14.560 And, and I worked hard and I was able to earn it.

01:35:16.880 He's the real deal.

01:35:17.760 Yeah.

01:35:18.100 And I'll just say, um, I didn't know what, what portion of it.

01:35:21.980 I'll, I'll match what Aiden is doing.

01:35:24.560 So we'll double that up.

01:35:25.980 Oh, wow.

01:35:26.680 Yeah.

01:35:27.060 Wow.

01:35:27.740 So that'd be good.

01:35:28.520 Oh, that's awesome.

01:35:29.700 That's like our, for that's.

01:35:30.880 Thank you very much.

01:35:31.580 Thank you for all the hard work you've done, dude.

01:35:33.360 No, it's awesome, man.

01:35:34.360 Thank you, dude.

01:35:35.080 I'm planning on coming out to Ohio in a couple of weeks, man.

01:35:37.100 I would love to meet you, you know, be great.

01:35:39.300 Oh, I love that.

01:35:40.280 And this is to spend most, I don't even know what to say.

01:35:43.300 Thank you very much.

01:35:44.440 No, thank you.

01:35:45.460 You know, it's.

01:35:46.020 We should bring this guy to Ohio.

01:35:47.220 Yeah.

01:35:47.380 Yeah.

01:35:47.860 Yeah.

01:35:48.180 Literally.

01:35:49.040 You come to, you come, you come, uh, you come kick it with us a little bit.

01:35:51.780 That'd be cool.

01:35:52.960 Oh, that'd be awesome.

01:35:53.820 I'd love to.

01:35:54.420 It'd be great, man.

01:35:55.280 And, um, and look, whatever, whatever you got going on in life, man, uh, just, I could already see it,

01:36:00.040 man.

01:36:00.180 I mean, you seem like a very pure soul and keep going.

01:36:02.580 You seem very, very well-spoken.

01:36:03.820 You seem very, very, you know, awesome, man.

01:36:05.800 And, um, God bless you and your family.

01:36:07.560 Seriously.

01:36:09.020 Thank you very much.

01:36:09.780 And also, I just wanted to say, um, to Vivek that I just wanted to say how much I appreciate,

01:36:16.340 um, everything that, that you've done for me and the ability to see potential.

01:36:22.220 Um, because when I, when I was started as a policy researcher intern, um, it was right

01:36:28.440 after I got out of the ROTC program.

01:36:30.020 And I didn't really know what my plan was.

01:36:32.620 I was kind of lost.

01:36:33.360 I didn't know what I was going to do.

01:36:34.680 Um, but working there and then continuing on with videography, it's just been the best

01:36:39.360 experience of my life.

01:36:40.660 And thank you for that.

01:36:42.400 I appreciate it, man.

01:36:43.060 We miss you.

01:36:43.980 Yeah.

01:36:44.420 But I hope that, uh, and I'm glad you had that.

01:36:48.240 For sure.

01:36:48.960 Yeah, no, this is dope.

01:36:50.080 Yeah.

01:36:50.360 This is dope.

01:36:51.700 We'll get you guys together in Ohio.

01:36:53.180 Cool.

01:36:54.000 All right, Eric.

01:36:54.800 Well, uh, my team will be in touch with you.

01:36:57.100 And, uh, I just want to say thanks for jumping on and I appreciate you, man.

01:37:00.440 Thank you so much.

01:37:01.500 Yeah.

01:37:02.060 I appreciate you guys.

01:37:03.060 Thank you.

01:37:03.820 Have a good night, man.

01:37:04.740 All right, Eric.

01:37:05.340 Yeah.

01:37:05.940 You too.

01:37:06.460 All right.

01:37:07.340 Oh man, that was awesome.

01:37:08.480 That was good, dude.

01:37:09.140 Yeah.

01:37:09.400 No, it's good.

01:37:10.080 That's great.

01:37:10.460 I like to see, uh, the world is often not kind in the short run to the, to the best of us,

01:37:17.320 but we can change that.

Adin Live - January 29, 2025

Adin Ross & Vivek Ramaswamy Have An Unfiltered Conversation

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