Alex Jones Show - 19980101_Alex_Jones_Exposing_Corruption-2

00:00:00.000 They're going to restrict the money supply like they did from 29 to 36. They're going to bring us to our knees further and consolidate all this new money that's developed.

00:00:09.000 And they're going to start thumb scanning us to buy and sell.

00:00:12.000 Well, I think one thing that normal average folks can do to protect their sales is to buy up bulk silver coins.

00:00:24.000 Silver 50 cent pieces quarters minted before 1964. If you can afford $3,000 or even $2,000 worth as an average family, those coins will be worth more than the cash.

00:00:38.000 Leland, there's a problem.

00:00:39.000 Don't you think?

00:00:40.000 Leland, there's a problem.

00:00:41.000 You know what they did in 1933. They brought us to our knees for three and a half years.

00:00:47.000 They brought in Roosevelt.

00:00:48.000 The Roosevelt family is a well-known heroin-running family from Hyde Park, New York. 0.80

00:00:53.000 British intelligence.

00:00:56.000 He was a...

00:00:57.000 British operative.

00:00:59.000 And all they did is they outlawed gold.

00:01:02.000 Ask your grandparents.

00:01:04.000 They outlawed gold for many years for a share of commodity.

00:01:10.000 You could still have it as a wedding ring or something, but you couldn't sell and trade in gold.

00:01:14.000 They made you turn it in for paper because they knew they were constricting the money supply.

00:01:20.000 People were using their silver coins, their gold coins.

00:01:22.000 Things were getting better there for about a year.

00:01:25.000 Then they started pushing for this, started having these buyback plans, and 33 outright banned gold.

00:01:32.000 They outlawed the possession by citizens, didn't they?

00:01:34.000 Yes, yes.

00:01:35.000 They deepened the possession, yes, for a commodity.

00:01:38.000 They deepened it.

00:01:39.000 They had this big grand opening of Fort Knox.

00:01:42.000 Everybody turned in their gold for paper.

00:01:44.000 The private banks laughed.

00:01:45.000 They had had the Federal Reserve for about 15 years before that.

00:01:49.000 Transferred the gold to Europe.

00:01:50.000 It was legal for Europe to buy our gold.

00:01:53.000 The Firestone Corporation family got in trouble for setting up dummy corporations to buy gold.

00:01:58.000 Europe has all the gold reserves.

00:01:59.000 Britain has all the gold reserves.

00:02:01.000 Our U.S. Treasury has no gold reserves.

00:02:03.000 If people use silver, they'll simply outlaw it as a commodity.

00:02:06.000 And they'll do it.

00:02:06.000 They'll say on the news that it's hurting the economy.

00:02:08.000 This is what's keeping the depression going.

00:02:11.000 So we had to submit to thumb scanning and to a cashless society.

00:02:15.000 We still have cash, but you'll have to thumb scan to get your cash that is numbered specifically with electronic tape through it.

00:02:24.000 So it's a very serious Orwellian deal we're entering into.

00:02:27.000 The Y2K thing looks to me like a scam, how they're hyping it up. 1.00

00:02:31.000 If it was a real problem, they wouldn't be talking about it.

00:02:35.000 Perhaps they're going to create some kind of panic with that.

00:02:38.000 Pretty serious.

00:02:39.000 Yes.

00:02:40.000 There's going to be some kind of big problem created that they will step in and be happy to solve for us.

00:02:47.000 The Hegelian Principle.

00:02:48.000 Yes.

00:02:51.000 It's very upsetting.

00:02:53.000 And, you know, Alex, I didn't really know about this up until about four or five years ago.

00:02:59.000 I began to look around, began to read, began to get up.

00:03:02.000 I started reading, like, the London Daily Telegraph, the Jerusalem Times.

00:03:09.000 The New York Times, Washington Post, you can't read the Austin American States and consider yourself well-informed.

00:03:16.000 Well, it's a CFR rag, and Cox Chambers, Cox News Service, is at the top levels of the Council on Foreign Relations, which is the political arm of the CIA. Now, look at this right here.

00:03:28.000 None Dare Call It Murder.

00:03:30.000 I'm going to play this next week.

00:03:32.000 It's not as good as some of his other documentaries just because of the quality.

00:03:37.000 It has interviews with editors of Forbes magazine.

00:03:40.000 It has editors with Christopher Ruddy who exposed the Vince Foster murder, the Ron Brown murder. 0.97

00:03:46.000 You want to hear about Clinton selling nuclear secrets, Clinton being in drug rehabs for cocaine, Clinton calling black people niggers. 0.94

00:03:55.000 This is the tape for you. 1.00

00:03:57.000 I'll be damned. 1.00

00:03:58.000 I mean, he is a racist, fake piece of garbage who's conned people. 1.00

00:04:03.000 He's just a surly, slimy... 1.00

00:04:06.000 He's a scary individual, Alex. 1.00

00:04:09.000 He's a psychotic. 0.99

00:04:09.000 He's scary. 0.99

00:04:11.000 Well, are you going to play that tape soon?

00:04:13.000 I'd like to...

00:04:14.000 Yeah, I'm going to play it next Tuesday.

00:04:15.000 Okay, good.

00:04:16.000 I'll have my VCR going.

00:04:17.000 Well, I'll see you, buddy.

00:04:18.000 All right, man.

00:04:19.000 Take care, Leela.

00:04:20.000 Hello, you're on the air.

00:04:22.000 Hey, Alex.

00:04:22.000 I've been watching you for a while.

00:04:23.000 I think you're doing a really great job.

00:04:25.000 And I saw Erwin Schiff on your TV show a couple weeks ago, and then I know he came in town, and I went to his seminar.

00:04:33.000 You talk about, you've detoxed.

00:04:35.000 You've done detox.

00:04:37.000 Look, I said a year ago, hold on one second.

00:04:40.000 A year ago, I said I was going to go do a thumb scanning protest.

00:04:44.000 I am studying it.

00:04:45.000 I've talked to Erwin a couple times this week on the phone.

00:04:48.000 I know what he's saying is true.

00:04:50.000 Hold on, my father has read his book this week.

00:04:54.000 And what he's saying is true. 0.81

00:04:56.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:04:57.000 The IRS is backed up by these guys.

00:04:59.000 They don't care.

00:04:59.000 They're the sheriff of Nottingham.

00:05:01.000 Right.

00:05:01.000 I understand that, but does that mean that you've taken the step to do this zero return deal?

00:05:06.000 Are we going to close your...

00:05:06.000 I know.

00:05:08.000 They're scary folks, and I don't want them on my front door either, but did you do the zero return?

00:05:12.000 I'm studying it too, but did you do it?

00:05:15.000 Are you going to file an extension now, or did you...

00:05:17.000 What's this all about?

00:05:19.000 Well, I have a CPA, and I'm studying it as we speak.

00:05:25.000 That's really my private information, but I've pretty much decided to do it, but I'm studying it.

00:05:30.000 I'm studying it, too.

00:05:31.000 I talked with Erwin the other day, and I find his stuff absolutely fascinating.

00:05:35.000 But you know what?

00:05:36.000 We're dealing a bunch of corrupt judicial systems.

00:05:38.000 Well, what are they going to do if they come to your door in ten years and demand the right of prima noctue?

00:05:43.000 And that's not just in the movie Braveheart.

00:05:45.000 That was real. 0.93

00:05:46.000 In Europe, the lords were allowed to have sex with whoever they wanted to. 0.53

00:05:49.000 They were allowed to take your chickens because it was the law, the divine right. 0.83

00:05:54.000 And how dare you question them?

00:05:55.000 And you know, that's the proof.

00:05:57.000 The IRS... Gets most of its money from the middle class.

00:06:01.000 That's a fact.

00:06:02.000 And a lot of it from people 25,000 to 30,000.

00:06:05.000 They shake people down.

00:06:06.000 They will come to people, and there's dozens of cases, people whose mothers, you know, one example, let's say works for the phone company.

00:06:14.000 This is a true story.

00:06:15.000 Works for the phone company.

00:06:17.000 The father dies.

00:06:18.000 She has two young boys.

00:06:20.000 What do they do?

00:06:21.000 What does the government do?

00:06:23.000 They will take 100% of that woman's wages. 1.00

00:06:27.000 I know, but Alex, this is not new.

00:06:31.000 They've been doing this for years, but does that mean that we stand up finally?

00:06:35.000 Do we stand up finally against these people?

00:06:37.000 It's getting worse because they're stealing our labor.

00:06:39.000 Then how do we win?

00:06:41.000 How do you win against the IRS if you follow Irwin Schiff's principles?

00:06:45.000 Hold on.

00:06:46.000 You educate people.

00:06:48.000 Okay.

00:06:48.000 But how do you protect yourself?

00:06:50.000 If I'm going to jump the gun, I'm making $25,000 this year, a single parent, two kids, do I take this risk and do this zero return, or what?

00:07:00.000 What's the deal?

00:07:02.000 I'm not going to advise you on that.

00:07:04.000 I'll let you make your own decisions.

00:07:05.000 Oh, I know.

00:07:06.000 You can't make that kind of an advice to people, but, I mean, do you take the risk against the IRS? Do you know what you do?

00:07:13.000 What's your first name?

00:07:14.000 Gail.

00:07:15.000 You go to work, and every day of every year, you talk once or twice about how the IRS is criminal.

00:07:21.000 I do.

00:07:22.000 Hold on.

00:07:22.000 You read these books, you get, or you read the Federal Code, you study it for yourself, and you educate people, and you turn others into educators until there's an army of us, and we'll go up there and throw these politicians out, and if they send the army against us, we'll have to oppose them, and the revolution's here.

00:07:40.000 It is coming on full bore.

00:07:42.000 And it's coming, and nothing's going to stop it.

00:07:45.000 They're going to use violence.

00:07:46.000 We're going to use information.

00:07:47.000 But if we lay down to their violence, it will strike a chord of defeat in the enemy.

00:07:53.000 It works all through history.

00:07:54.000 If we fight them violently, it will create a civil war, and they will use the technocracy to enslave us. 0.74

00:08:00.000 So we cannot be violent unless they're raping you or attacking you.

00:08:04.000 Then you must defend yourself. 0.98

00:08:05.000 If people in black ski masks come in and start trying to rape you or your family, Or trying to steal from you or trying to take your children because they want to threaten you.

00:08:15.000 And the IRS threatens people with this.

00:08:18.000 So is this a good thing to do?

00:08:20.000 I mean, now is a good time to stand up.

00:08:22.000 The army's not big enough yet.

00:08:24.000 There's not enough people that know about these tax codes and that income is based on corporate profit.

00:08:33.000 People don't know that.

00:08:34.000 People don't know that under the income tax in the tax code book...

00:08:37.000 There is no section that says that you are liable for, there is no penalty for, and there is no payment of, such as they list under alcohol and gas tax.

00:08:45.000 I mean, the Army's not big enough, Alex.

00:08:47.000 I mean, it's not big enough yet to...

00:08:50.000 Now, wait just a second.

00:08:51.000 I appreciate your call.

00:08:53.000 Let me tell you something.

00:08:56.000 We could sit around all day.

00:08:57.000 I don't want to take a risk.

00:08:59.000 I don't want them to fraudulently trump up charges on me, plant drugs in my car.

00:09:06.000 Or anything else.

00:09:07.000 But I've got to take that risk.

00:09:10.000 You can have fear all day long.

00:09:12.000 And I'm not advising you.

00:09:13.000 You're a woman.

00:09:14.000 You have kids.

00:09:15.000 You need to take care of your kids.

00:09:17.000 But as me, as a young man, it's my job to stand up for freedom.

00:09:22.000 So I'm not going to sit here and talk about how big and powerful the enemy is.

00:09:25.000 It was 2% were the first people to stand up against Britain.

00:09:29.000 And then it was about 20% that finally fought the war.

00:09:32.000 There's still courage out there.

00:09:34.000 We're going to win this battle.

00:09:36.000 Most of it is psychological.

00:09:39.000 Now we've got Keith Perry from Radio Tejas, Pirate Radio, who was shut down by the FCC for the second time in the last year.

00:09:46.000 He was shut down, 95.9.

00:09:48.000 You can hear it in far north Austin, for about 400 square miles.

00:09:52.000 Sounds big, but 400 square miles isn't that huge, but it's a big area.

00:09:55.000 He was shut down.

00:09:56.000 He was not interfering with other stations.

00:09:58.000 He fell off.

00:10:01.000 How did that happen?

00:10:03.000 Well, bring me a pin.

00:10:04.000 Get his number from Mike.

00:10:06.000 Is Mike still here?

00:10:09.000 Oh, he...

00:10:10.000 Well, then why'd you come in here and tell me he's not here?

00:10:15.000 Oh, okay.

00:10:16.000 Thanks a lot.

00:10:16.000 Hello, you're on the air.

00:10:19.000 Hello?

00:10:20.000 Hey, what's going on, Keith?

00:10:23.000 Is this Keith?

00:10:24.000 Hello?

00:10:24.000 What's going on, Keith?

00:10:27.000 Can you hear me, Keith?

00:10:31.000 Keith doesn't have cable.

00:10:33.000 We're trying to...

00:10:34.000 He lives outside Austin.

00:10:36.000 And we run the sound down the cable.

00:10:38.000 Let's try to run it through the phone in there, guys.

00:10:40.000 You know how to do that?

00:10:42.000 Keith, I'm going to put you on hold.

00:10:43.000 We're going to get a technician in there and try to...

00:10:46.000 Okay, I put Keith back on hold.

00:10:51.000 We'll try to get that problem remedied.

00:10:53.000 Again, this is public access television.

00:10:56.000 We're doing the best job we can.

00:10:59.000 We're going to show you one more time.

00:11:02.000 Yes.

00:11:02.000 Can you hear me now?

00:11:05.000 This is Keith here, and I can't hear you at all.

00:11:08.000 Okay, as soon as we get it fixed, we'll put him back on.

00:11:13.000 Anyways.

00:11:14.000 Hello, you're on the air, caller.

00:11:17.000 Hello?

00:11:18.000 Yes.

00:11:19.000 This is John.

00:11:20.000 I'm calling.

00:11:21.000 I'm visiting Texas.

00:11:24.000 I called earlier.

00:11:27.000 You were talking about the abduction of the three-year-old child.

00:11:32.000 Yes.

00:11:32.000 There was a situation in the UK with a kid called Jamie Bulger who was abducted by two minors, 11 and 13 years of age.

00:11:43.000 They're now in what you would call a state penitentiary for juvenile delinquents.

00:11:49.000 There's an outcry in the UK just now because they're trying to, the families of those children are trying to free them.

00:11:57.000 We need to keep them in prison. 0.97

00:12:01.000 What I wanted to hear, what your view was.

00:12:04.000 Should they serve long-term sentences for that felony?

00:12:10.000 I'd say they should stay in prison about 50 years and then let them out.

00:12:19.000 How does that accord with the idea that perhaps their parents were responsible for the actions of those children?

00:12:29.000 Well, look, it's not a perfect world.

00:12:31.000 You said these kids were 11 and 13?

00:12:33.000 11 and 13. They're now, I suppose, in their early teens.

00:12:36.000 When I was 13, I was already not a man mentally, but a man physically when I was 13 years old.

00:12:45.000 So personally, I think the 13-year-old should stay in for 40 or 50 years.

00:12:48.000 The 11-year-old, maybe 20 or so.

00:12:51.000 And I don't care if they turn into criminals inside there.

00:12:53.000 We need to teach these kids they can't get away with it.

00:12:56.000 How does that break, for example, in the state of Texas?

00:13:00.000 How does that go in terms of the law?

00:13:04.000 Would you see all of those individuals, like the kids in this situation that have abducted the three-year-old girl, should they receive...

00:13:17.000 It's obvious that the 11-year-old was probably leading, and I couldn't imagine 7- and 8-year-olds doing this, or actually thinking of it.

00:13:23.000 For those that are just tuning in, it was in the Dallas Morning News today, that a 7-, 8-, and 11-year-old kid abducted a little girl out of her front yard, a 3-year-old, bashed her over the head with a brick in their shoes, took her down in a creek bed, and drug her through the creek bed and raped her.

00:13:40.000 They use bricks, so I guess Clinton wants to ban bricks next, you know.

00:13:44.000 Again, it's the object that does it, not the actual crime person.

00:13:47.000 But there's a real psychosis, a real sickness in our youth.

00:13:52.000 Because children can't separate reality from fantasy, and they're in deep trouble.

00:13:59.000 Isn't that then the case?

00:14:00.000 If you're saying that, that they can't separate reality from fantasy, they shouldn't be the victims?

00:14:07.000 Well, I'm sorry.

00:14:08.000 Hey, hey, hey, if our society creates animals, then we've got to lock those animals up. 0.99

00:14:13.000 But are they the animals?

00:14:15.000 Yeah, no, no.

00:14:15.000 The society is an animal.

00:14:18.000 Well, why then should the 11- and 13-year-olds...

00:14:20.000 Well, we can't lock up the whole society, even though the government's trying.

00:14:23.000 See, that's the Hegelian principle, sir.

00:14:25.000 Hegel, the German philosopher, that's exactly what it is.

00:14:28.000 You create the crisis, drum up fear, offer the solution.

00:14:32.000 That's what this is all about.

00:14:35.000 And this is a new thing on me, this access television, the way that you do this, the way that you're able to expend views on public television, and that's a great thing.

00:14:45.000 Well, this is a rarity in America.

00:14:47.000 Some cities have it, but it's usually real curtailed and real conservative, you would say.

00:14:54.000 Not conservative in the helter-skelter semantics of the day.

00:14:59.000 I mean conservative in a classical sense of it's very straight-laced and very...

00:15:02.000 It's more public service announcements.

00:15:06.000 Austin has the most funding and the best access facility and the most airtime of any city in the country.

00:15:13.000 How do you reintegrate those kids, though?

00:15:16.000 Say they are released from jail, from their juvenile imprisonment.

00:15:24.000 If they are released into the community, how do you...

00:15:27.000 Do you see that they should be integrated or do you see that they should be incarcerated for life?

00:15:31.000 I mean, you're saying now that they should be incarcerated?

00:15:34.000 Incarcerate them for life and put up billboards about what they did.

00:15:37.000 But what about the PIMS? I mean, should they be incarcerated as well?

00:15:40.000 I think they should show films of those kids to the school kids in school.

00:15:44.000 And I think they should show people those video games in school where it shows them raping and slaughtering and stabbing women and men and walking through pools of blood. 0.66

00:15:53.000 No, no.

00:15:54.000 And then they should show those kids that and say, this is a video game.

00:15:57.000 This is reality.

00:15:59.000 But aren't they then the victims of what is on the media?

00:16:02.000 I don't care if they're a victim.

00:16:03.000 I don't care if some pet bull that was beaten by their owner when it was a puppy comes up and is trying to bite my 10-year-old sister.

00:16:11.000 If I can't beat that pet bull off with a shovel, which I've done before, when, well, someone, someone, a Rottweiler, came over and tried to bite my sister, I just, you know, whacked it upside the head and never came back over again as it left with blood dripping from its head. 0.99

00:16:22.000 If a wild animal is trying to hurt me or my family, I'll blow its head off. 0.95

00:16:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:16:28.000 So it doesn't matter.

00:16:29.000 If these children have been ruined, have been turned into these mind-numbed robots, then lock them away.

00:16:35.000 Put them away.

00:16:35.000 But then what you're saying surely is that if they've been ruined, then the state will ruin them again by incarcerating them.

00:16:43.000 Sir, that goes against what you're saying about...

00:16:47.000 Sir, what you're talking about is the same psychology and the same Dr. Spock garbage that has given us this crime wave.

00:16:55.000 No, no, no, no, you're misunderstanding me.

00:16:58.000 What I'm saying is, if you're going to incarcerate the victims of society...

00:17:06.000 Sir, have you been listening to this show?

00:17:09.000 We have a fiat money system that private banks control.

00:17:12.000 The IRS is criminal.

00:17:13.000 They're backed up by people in black ski masks.

00:17:16.000 Chemical and biological weapons have been tested on our people.

00:17:19.000 I've showed those MKUltra documents here on the program.

00:17:22.000 The UN is a genocide arm of the World Bank.

00:17:25.000 Our country's being set up for total takeover economically.

00:17:29.000 They're putting in thumb scanning computers in all the banks and post offices.

00:17:32.000 They want a urine and blood test for driver's license.

00:17:35.000 They're already doing biometric scans at the state and federal offices at some of them.

00:17:41.000 They make you do it to get a driver's license.

00:17:43.000 They randomly give out driver's license.

00:17:45.000 The computer spits it out.

00:17:46.000 We're an Orwellian...

00:17:49.000 World now, and it's coming on full bore, and reality is starting to blur.

00:17:54.000 They have computer systems with morphing where they can create newscasts that are false.

00:17:59.000 Soon people won't know what reality is.

00:18:02.000 They're getting ready to restrict the Internet.

00:18:04.000 They're trying to ban guns incrementally through successive approximation.

00:18:07.000 The whole system is coming under control, and people are obsessed with their local football coach.

00:18:14.000 But are you...

00:18:15.000 I mean, I agree with a lot of the things that you're saying.

00:18:18.000 The thumb scanning thing is something that's coming across the UK, the electronic tagging of convicted criminals that may go to the state.

00:18:26.000 No, no, no.

00:18:27.000 Here in Texas, they do it to people who are on TV and radio like me.

00:18:32.000 They do it to everybody.

00:18:33.000 Okay.

00:18:33.000 But aren't you then advocating that...

00:18:36.000 We're not getting to the source of the solution, but we're hitting the problem.

00:18:41.000 You're right.

00:18:42.000 The source is the...

00:18:43.000 Let's talk about the source again.

00:18:44.000 One more time for you.

00:18:45.000 The solution is still the same.

00:18:46.000 Abolish the Federal Reserve.

00:18:48.000 Create constitutional money, controlled by the Congress in the full light of day.

00:18:52.000 Either a silver currency, since all our gold's been stolen since 1933, with Frank Adorno Roosevelt making it illegal and transferring it to his masters that installed him.

00:19:01.000 Or we have a fiat money system out in the light, controlled by our federal government.

00:19:05.000 We abolish the Federal Reserve, we abolish the CIA, and create a new security service that has a lot of eyes on it, and quit letting it have all this secrecy when it comes to shipping in drugs.

00:19:17.000 We do that, okay?

00:19:18.000 That's what we do.

00:19:20.000 And Alex, I think what he's asking though is what will that do for the child murderers and the mass pedophiles?

00:19:28.000 Can I break in a second?

00:19:32.000 Okay, well, the only thing is you seem to be challenging the problem and not taking a solution-driven approach, and that is...

00:19:41.000 If there is a solution to this, you're shaking your head there.

00:19:45.000 The thing about it is, if these kids are victims of society, why should they be incarcerated?

00:19:51.000 I am not advocating the idea that these kids should be out in society and then recommit.

00:19:57.000 Why should they not be rehabilitated?

00:20:00.000 What's your first name?

00:20:01.000 What is your first name?

00:20:02.000 My name's John.

00:20:04.000 John, I should...

00:20:04.000 I made the mistake.

00:20:05.000 I'm never talking about kids murdering kids anymore with bricks or with guns.

00:20:09.000 No, no, no, no.

00:20:10.000 I'm going to put you on hold because you're not listening to me.

00:20:12.000 What I'm saying to you is...

00:20:14.000 I'm not talking about that.

00:20:15.000 You know what?

00:20:16.000 I don't care.

00:20:16.000 This show is an SOS program.

00:20:18.000 It's going to be Federal Reserve, black ski mask, secret police under Clinton's control, under the CIA's control, and the IRS running rampant.

00:20:25.000 And that's what I'm going to talk about from now on.

00:20:27.000 I don't care if it gets old to people that have seen it a hundred times.

00:20:30.000 I'll play documentaries from time to time.

00:20:32.000 I don't care.

00:20:32.000 It's that SOS program.

00:20:34.000 You know what?

00:20:35.000 You're the one that is diverted, and I'm sorry to be rude to you.

00:20:38.000 Am I on air?

00:20:40.000 Yes.

00:20:41.000 Can I answer that?

00:20:42.000 I'm not being diverted.

00:20:44.000 Answer my question.

00:20:45.000 Criminals run things.

00:20:47.000 The basic tenets of our society are lies.

00:20:50.000 People don't even know what's really going on, and it's right in front of their face, but they are so lazy, they take the news at face value.

00:20:57.000 You seem to be under the impression that I don't agree with freedom of speech, and I agree with all the things that you said earlier.

00:21:03.000 I'm talking about freedom of speech.

00:21:05.000 Liberty, I'm talking about freedom to walk down the street and not be hassled by the police.

00:21:09.000 But what I'm saying is that you brought up a notion earlier on that society dictates the way that children are brought up.

00:21:17.000 Society is to blame, not the kids who are incarcerated.

00:21:21.000 That's what I said.

00:21:22.000 Yeah, but you were saying, you said earlier, those kids, they should be locked up for 40 or 50 years.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:27.000 Why?

00:21:28.000 Because you have to...

00:21:29.000 They are victims.

00:21:30.000 Do you know why these...

00:21:31.000 They are victims.

00:21:33.000 Sir, I've spent enough time on you.

00:21:34.000 I appreciate your call.

00:21:35.000 Let me explain something to you.

00:21:36.000 The kids hear this victimology.

00:21:38.000 They hear it from their school counselors.

00:21:40.000 That's why it's exploding.

00:21:41.000 They're getting off.

00:21:43.000 That's why they're doing it.

00:21:46.000 Plus, we give it all this attention.

00:21:48.000 They feel like they'll be movie stars.

00:21:49.000 They're little animals.

00:21:51.000 And once their minds have been destroyed, there's not much helping them.

00:21:54.000 We have to make examples of them.

00:21:57.000 I believe that, Alex, and we need to go to this call in just a second, but I need to make one small comment, and that is, of course, that I think that you have to look at this in one aspect towards...

00:22:07.000 I don't know why we're getting...

00:22:09.000 I don't know why you have the television on.

00:22:11.000 No, it's not coming through here.

00:22:15.000 Are you done?

00:22:15.000 It's completely done.

00:22:16.000 No, the point is, is that...

00:22:18.000 Is that you have to look at this situation also with a compassionate angle. 0.69

00:22:22.000 You have to look at those kids and know that somewhere along the line they got screwed up.

00:22:25.000 And yes, they're going to pay for it in millions of ways.

00:22:28.000 And I don't think that you and I are the kind of people that have the ability or the right to judge on them and say that they're going to go to jail for 50 years, etc.

00:22:36.000 But the question...

00:22:37.000 A three-year-old girl and bashed her head in. 1.00

00:22:42.000 I say you blow their heads off in public. 0.99

00:22:45.000 Okay? 0.99

00:22:46.000 Okay.

00:22:47.000 Well, then we disagree.

00:22:48.000 I have no idea where this feedback is coming from.

00:22:50.000 It's not inside the board.

00:22:51.000 I mean, what the hell?

00:22:52.000 I got a little sister here. 0.99

00:22:54.000 I don't want some slobbering little demonic punks that have been programmed by the government. 1.00

00:22:59.000 Once a child has been... 0.91

00:23:00.000 Brains stopped developing at age four.

00:23:03.000 I mean, the growth and the real wiring of the brain.

00:23:06.000 We have got a bunch of satanic little animals out there. 1.00

00:23:09.000 Don't you understand that? 0.87

00:23:10.000 It almost destroyed me.

00:23:12.000 But I would never... 1.00

00:23:14.000 When I was a little maniac, go out and rape some three-year-old girl. 1.00

00:23:18.000 Give me a break! 1.00

00:23:20.000 And I take that back.

00:23:21.000 I just think about my sister.

00:23:23.000 Look, I'm not for executing these kids, but they need to be punished so other kids don't do it.

00:23:28.000 Exactly.

00:23:28.000 And that's what I wanted to hear from you.

00:23:31.000 Well, I get angry, Buckley.

00:23:33.000 It's quite alright, and we understand your passion, and it's what drives this show.

00:23:36.000 But at the same time, it...

00:23:37.000 The people that are creating the victims, an example.

00:23:40.000 I said!

00:23:41.000 In fact, that's why I said I'm not going to talk about kids anymore.

00:23:43.000 That's great.

00:23:44.000 We're going to go to call number three, which is your friend...

00:23:47.000 Can we fix the problem?

00:23:48.000 I believe so.

00:23:49.000 Go ahead.

00:23:50.000 Keith, I'm sorry about the technical difficulties.

00:23:53.000 Can you hear me, Keith?

00:23:55.000 Is this the Alex Jones Show?

00:23:56.000 Yeah, you got me, buddy?

00:23:58.000 Alex, I can't hear you at all.

00:23:59.000 I'd like to make an announcement.

00:24:01.000 Sure, go ahead.

00:24:01.000 It's not a problem.

00:24:02.000 If it is a problem, you can cut me off.

00:24:04.000 All right.

00:24:05.000 Basically, I've gone off the air because of FCC action against me.

00:24:09.000 Micro-broadcasting.

00:24:10.000 They're wanting to forfeit $11,000.

00:24:15.000 Hello?

00:24:16.000 I don't know what's going on in there.

00:24:17.000 Go ahead, sir.

00:24:18.000 I heard something for a second there.

00:24:19.000 Yeah, somebody just put you on cue.

00:24:20.000 Hold. 0.96

00:24:21.000 They're wanting me to forfeit some $11,000 of my worth or whatever.

00:24:28.000 I don't know if that takes the House or what to do that, and I think they're willing to use SWAT teams to get it, and that's what they want to do, unless I can prove they shouldn't otherwise.

00:24:38.000 And one of the things that the FCC is required to do is pay attention to the public interest.

00:24:43.000 And if there's enough interest out there, basically what I've done is put together a little letter for the FCC as a generic complaint that you can customize at your will.

00:24:57.000 And if you send me a self-addressed stamped envelope to Keith Perry, P.O. Box 816, Leander, Texas, 78646, I will send you a copy of that letter.

00:25:08.000 Just send me a self-addressed stamped envelope.

00:25:12.000 And if you will complain to the FCC and maybe your congressman as well with this letter, it may actually have some pull.

00:25:21.000 But we're in an administrative court, so I'm not sure what...

00:25:27.000 What value it will have over an agency that judges itself and its own actions.

00:25:36.000 So I need experts at administrative law at the moment more than anything else, I guess.

00:25:44.000 And maybe a really good bulletproof jacket or something like that.

00:25:48.000 But I think probably the most efficient thing is rather than calling them, And harassing them on the phone, writing a letter, a specially certified or registered letter, to the FCC would do the most good.

00:26:05.000 If anybody's actually behind this, I've had a lot of people call since I went off the air, or the station went off the air might be a better way to put it.

00:26:16.000 It sort of has a life of its own, or did.

00:26:21.000 That's all I've got to say, Alex.

00:26:23.000 Okay, guys, get back on the phone and tell him to hold on.

00:26:26.000 I can't hear you.

00:26:27.000 I understand.

00:26:29.000 Sounds like we're having a conversation here.

00:26:31.000 What it comes down to is the FCC is engaging in criminality, and I am on an FCC station.

00:26:42.000 If a station is micro-broadcasting over a small area and is not interfering with major transmissions, they should be allowed to do it.

00:26:49.000 And they shouldn't use SWAT teams in intimidation.

00:26:52.000 Keith was called and threatened by a SWAT team individual from the state and said, we're going to kill you if you do not comply.

00:27:00.000 Ask Keith on the phone to tell us about if he'll tell us about how they said that they were going to kill him over the telephone.

00:27:06.000 Can we go to that, please?

00:27:08.000 Relay that to him and then put him back up on the air.

00:27:11.000 In a minute, we're going to go to some video, about two minutes of the concentration camp documentation, or others would say...

00:27:20.000 They're at least admitting that it's top secret.

00:27:22.000 This is back in the mid-'80s during Iran-Contra.

00:27:25.000 And we're also going to go to about a five-, six-minute piece of Irwin Schiff and a whitewash in the media acting like the IRS is legal.

00:27:36.000 Anybody who is a real lawyer can read the tax code and see that it is fraudulent.

00:27:41.000 Most forms of taxes are constitutional, but the income tax is a serf's tax.

00:27:45.000 It is a slave's tax.

00:27:47.000 It is not a consumption tax.

00:27:49.000 It is not a pay-as-you-go tax.

00:27:51.000 Okay, Alex, we have a response.

00:27:53.000 Okay, let's go ahead and go to Keith.

00:27:55.000 Yes, Alex.

00:27:57.000 Basically, I got a phone call that sounded pretty real.

00:28:01.000 I've had a few threats over the phone before, and a few weeks ago, somebody cut the cable from my satellite dish, and none of that scared me, but I got this one phone call last week that made me believe that...

00:28:16.000 They were going to come here not only just to raid me, but to shoot me.

00:28:23.000 And, you know, maybe it was just a psychological warfare thing that they're pulling on me to scare me.

00:28:28.000 But it worked pretty well, I would say.

00:28:30.000 I haven't slept hardly at all for the past five days or so.

00:28:35.000 Now, put him on hold.

00:28:36.000 I want him to say exactly what I said.

00:28:38.000 Because that's what Keith told me on the phone.

00:28:40.000 It was a direct threat.

00:28:40.000 It was more of a warning that was about to happen.

00:28:46.000 In addition to the SEC filing a forfeiture against me for $11,000 and or a show cause order.

00:28:54.000 Now put Keith on hold and ask him to repeat what he told me on the telephone.

00:29:00.000 Hang on, Alex is going to ask you a question, okay?

00:29:02.000 Ask the question, Alex.

00:29:04.000 Keith, we're kind of playing with stuff to be able to talk to you.

00:29:07.000 I don't know why we can't get through to you outside Austin.

00:29:10.000 Now you told me on the phone they said you're going to get hit. 0.80

00:29:13.000 You're going to get hit.

00:29:14.000 You said, you mean I'm going to get raided? 0.99

00:29:16.000 No, you're going to get hit, which is a term for you're going to get killed.

00:29:20.000 Did they say that to you, sir? 0.92

00:29:24.000 Hello?

00:29:25.000 Yes.

00:29:26.000 Did they say that they were going to...

00:29:27.000 I don't know whether that's the signal on the air.

00:29:30.000 Well, you know what, guys?

00:29:32.000 Just forget it.

00:29:33.000 Ask him the question for me.

00:29:35.000 Okay.

00:29:36.000 At any rate...

00:29:39.000 How many people are actually behind micro-broadcasting?

00:29:42.000 The people at KIND have also gotten this forfeiture notice down in San Marcos, and they have been playing some of the same kind of right-wing programming we have here, even though that's mostly not what it is.

00:29:54.000 But not right-wing, I don't think.

00:29:56.000 It's just constitutional, which appears to have no relationship to this problem.

00:30:02.000 Okay, guys, I want you to put Keith on hold and get him to repeat.

00:30:05.000 Just tell him the question.

00:30:07.000 Say, repeat what you told Alex that they were going to hit you.

00:30:11.000 My crew's doing a great job.

00:30:12.000 I'm real stressed out.

00:30:13.000 I haven't been getting enough sleep.

00:30:15.000 I've been saying this for the last couple of weeks, and I'm, you know, and I'm real disgusted about the state of our country right now.

00:30:21.000 I mean, it is disgusting. 0.92

00:30:23.000 It is disgusting. 0.99

00:30:24.000 That people in black ski masks are running around threatening to kill people. 0.96

00:30:28.000 Okay, here we have Keith with the exact quote.

00:30:29.000 Okay, hold on a second.

00:30:30.000 They called the SWAT team out on me when I went down to the commissioner's court.

00:30:35.000 Now, let's go back to Keith Perry, micro-broadcaster.

00:30:40.000 Go ahead, Keith.

00:30:41.000 Okay, the exact quote was, this is a piece of friendly advice.

00:30:45.000 They're going to hit you.

00:30:47.000 And I said, you mean they're going to raid me? 0.68

00:30:49.000 And he said, no, they're going to hit you.

00:30:51.000 And he hung up the phone.

00:30:55.000 The way he said it and everything made me think that it was actually fed with a conscience that didn't think it was right for that kind of thing to go on.

00:31:06.000 Then again, people tell me it might be just a psychological warfare trick to make me uneasy and cooperate with the beast system, which it seems to be.

00:31:19.000 Yeah, because they're afraid.

00:31:21.000 They're very afraid to come in.

00:31:24.000 Because, you know, they think you're armed. 0.99

00:31:26.000 They're chickens.

00:31:27.000 And, of course, if they're going to raid somebody that's got guns, they're just going to open up fire. 0.85

00:31:30.000 That's what they do.

00:31:32.000 They even shoot their own police out here in Austin.

00:31:35.000 All 50 police, two of them got shot a couple months ago by the SWAT team.

00:31:38.000 Not by the Travis County.

00:31:40.000 They're nice guys, I guess.

00:31:41.000 No, by the Austin SWAT team.

00:31:45.000 I'm sorry I don't like people in black ski masks running around my community in armored personnel carriers and coming to commissioner's court meetings.

00:31:51.000 I just don't like it.

00:31:53.000 Let's go ahead and get back to Keith real fast.

00:31:58.000 And of course, we're fixing to go to some more FEMA information.

00:32:02.000 In fact, there's some stuff.

00:32:04.000 In fact, guys, tell Keith we appreciate him calling in and since we had problems that we're going to try to stand behind him.

00:32:10.000 And all fair, get his address in case anybody wants to write to Keith.

00:32:14.000 Get his address for us and put that up.

00:32:16.000 And again, I know I've been rude to my producers.

00:32:18.000 It's not personal.

00:32:19.000 I've been rude to myself here tonight.

00:32:21.000 It's so sad.

00:32:22.000 I'm so depressed.

00:32:23.000 And I wish I could go back to being delusional.

00:32:26.000 Gosh, I really wish.

00:32:29.000 Government admits concentration camp plan.

00:32:32.000 Now here's the quote you're fixing to hear.

00:32:33.000 The truth is, the plans are here where you could, in the name of stopping terrorism, invoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps.

00:32:40.000 Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez, Democrat, Texas.

00:32:42.000 Now that's a whitewash.

00:32:45.000 It talks about...

00:32:46.000 The master arrest warrant, the master search warrant, how the president can suspend the Constitution and anyone with shortwave radios, propaganda material, financial records, organizations or groups that have been declared subversives or may hereafter be declared subversive by the Attorney General may be detained permanently at a detention center.

00:33:05.000 That is Senate Resolution 21. There is also government violence is illegitimate.

00:33:10.000 The Deputy Attorney General of California commented at a conference.

00:33:14.000 That anyone who attacks the state, even verbally, becomes a revolutionary.

00:33:17.000 And then Louis Grafilia, who was head of FEMA, stated that legitimate violence is integral to our form of government, for it is from this source that we can continue to purge our weaknesses.

00:33:27.000 Sounds like something that Adolf Hitler would say.

00:33:30.000 Okay, let's go ahead one more time tonight.

00:33:33.000 Go to, it's slipping out in a Senate hearing back in the 80s about these concentration camps, these detention centers that they've set up.

00:33:40.000 And by the way, since the 80s, we've gone from about 55 to 125 FEMA detention centers.

00:33:46.000 We're not sure how many other detention centers there are camouflaged under the guise of federal prison, but they're set up for families.

00:33:54.000 This is very serious.

00:33:55.000 Let's go ahead and go to that.

00:33:59.000 As soon as we're ready.

00:34:04.000 Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned at one time to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?

00:34:14.000 Mr. Chairman?

00:34:19.000 I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area, so may I request that you not touch upon that, sir.

00:34:30.000 I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers and several others that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of an emergency that would suspend the American Constitution.

00:34:52.000 And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was the area in which he had worked.

00:34:58.000 May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage.

00:35:05.000 If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.

00:35:11.000 And tragically, the only member who got close was Jack Brooks, and he was stopped by the chairman.

00:35:18.000 But the truth of the matter is that, yes, you do have those standby provisions, and the plans are there, and the statutory emergency plans are there, whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism, apprehend, invoke the military, and arrest Americans and hold them in detention camps if the president ordered a direct strike into Central America.

00:35:47.000 Well, there you have it.

00:35:50.000 Pretty serious, pretty hardcore.

00:35:52.000 Next week I may have a class running my show, they tell me.

00:35:56.000 So I don't know I'm going to play my documentary next week simply because they have a deal down here.

00:36:01.000 You can either not have your show when a class teaches it and run a tape, or you can't have a class run your show.

00:36:09.000 So I don't know next week exactly what we're going to be doing, but I may have my documentary that's excellent.

00:36:14.000 And that my cousin, Buckley Hammond, was there on the trip, did a great job, along with Nick Murphy.

00:36:19.000 David Bradford contributed to it.

00:36:23.000 Mike Hansen, camera work here in Austin.

00:36:27.000 And many other people.

00:36:28.000 And we go around the country.

00:36:31.000 And from the U.N. taking over our bases, I mean, excuse me, from the U.N. taking over our national parks, the Chinese taking over Long Beach Naval Base and other bases are attempting to. 0.74

00:36:43.000 To Oklahoma City, we visit there.

00:36:45.000 To some concentration camp documents, to actual photos of the Ryder truck being loaded with fuel oil at Camp Grouper.

00:36:52.000 We're going to add that.

00:36:53.000 To the UN meetings here in Austin, Texas with our children at UT. I've played that in its entirety, but it'll have excerpts.

00:37:00.000 So there's going to be a lot of stuff you haven't seen, a lot of stuff you have seen.

00:37:03.000 We'll also add the thumb scanning, excerpts of that.

00:37:07.000 But the big portion, 80% of the documentary, stuff you've never seen before here on the program that we actually went out ourselves around the country and got about six, seven months ago. 0.96

00:37:16.000 And I finally got off my butt.

00:37:17.000 I've been working 14 hours a day some days on the documentary. 0.97

00:37:21.000 Me and Kirk Hunter is doing the editing.

00:37:24.000 I'm directing it.

00:37:25.000 And so it's going to be really good.

00:37:27.000 Let's go ahead and go to Dave Gumbel.

00:37:29.000 Of course, let's thank our sponsor, 98.9 KJFK FM Radio.

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00:37:38.000 They have a diverse programming there.

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00:37:53.000 And, of course, I am a radio host on 98.9 KJFK every Saturday evening from 7 to 11 p.m.

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00:38:04.000 So, thank you, 98.9, KJFK, Central Texas, superstar.

00:38:13.000 I'm not sure what that is.

00:38:20.000 I want to apologize, everybody.

00:38:22.000 I mean, I should get on here and do a better job, but you can't hide from what's happening in the country.

00:38:28.000 You can't escape it.

00:38:31.000 It's something that's got to be dealt with up front.

00:38:36.000 And it's the real deal.

00:38:38.000 So well, give us the order and we'll blow the head. 1.00

00:38:43.000 What exactly are we playing?

00:38:47.000 Every single thing on the board is down.

00:38:49.000 I have no idea where that's coming from.

00:38:51.000 Can you hear me on the air?

00:38:53.000 Absolutely.

00:38:53.000 It's in the background and it's kind of nice.

00:38:55.000 It's weird.

00:39:01.000 I have no idea where that's coming from, honestly.

00:39:07.000 Did it just stop?

00:39:10.000 I think we're still talking.

00:39:12.000 We'll go around other studios and see if something's bleeding through.

00:39:14.000 But go ahead and continue.

00:39:16.000 Your audio is fine.

00:39:17.000 Thank you.

00:39:17.000 Okay, great.

00:39:18.000 In fact, we have somebody on the phone on line three.

00:39:20.000 Well, we got everybody.

00:39:21.000 The lines are jammed.

00:39:22.000 Who's on line three?

00:39:23.000 Just somebody.

00:39:24.000 Go ahead and go to them.

00:39:24.000 Thank you.

00:39:25.000 Hello, you're on the air.

00:39:27.000 Yes, caller.

00:39:28.000 Hi, this is Clarissa.

00:39:29.000 I have a couple of questions that I needed to clarify.

00:39:33.000 You were talking earlier with somebody about the federal registry, and I believe I heard you say July 2nd of 97, volume 27?

00:39:43.000 62. Number 62. Number 127. Is that the one that I need to look up?

00:39:50.000 Yes.

00:39:51.000 Okay, I have my TV turned down completely, so I'm kind of like reading your lips.

00:39:55.000 Let me see if I can turn this up.

00:39:57.000 The other thing that I had a question for, and I'm sure I know your answer already to this, is there any way that I could subscribe to this new American, and do you think that the chances of subscribing to it would cause some sort of a government official to be looking at us?

00:40:12.000 Oh, yes, most definitely.

00:40:14.000 Their own codes right here say that they...

00:40:17.000 They check this out, and you can be put in a concentration camp for reading stuff like this.

00:40:23.000 Okay, okay.

00:40:24.000 I mean, do you think they want you to see the U.N. burning kids?

00:40:27.000 Well, I know.

00:40:28.000 You think they want you to get, I mean, this information?

00:40:31.000 It's not just the New American, and I can't tell you where to subscribe to it or tell you to.

00:40:35.000 I can look into that.

00:40:37.000 But, I mean, look at this.

00:40:38.000 I mean, this is just, their conspiracy issue is all documented.

00:40:44.000 It's all historical.

00:40:44.000 I've read the historicals on all this.

00:40:47.000 You wanna know about the fraud and the deceit?

00:40:51.000 Well, I'm gonna try to get into...

00:40:54.000 Well, don't talk about getting magazines on the show.

00:40:57.000 This is not a commercial program.

00:40:59.000 Of course, true commercialism would be if I sold this magazine, which I don't.

00:41:04.000 But it's just a good source of information.

00:41:07.000 The Free American is also an excellent source of information.

00:41:09.000 I've heard of that one.

00:41:10.000 Listen, I've got to get to this Irwin Schiff piece.

00:41:13.000 Okay.

00:41:13.000 Do you have any more questions?

00:41:15.000 About the only other thing was I wanted you to try to explain in detail, almost on an elementary level, of how people can go Do you have a website?

00:41:33.000 I mean, a computer.

00:41:34.000 I don't have that kind of stuff.

00:41:35.000 He does.

00:41:36.000 It's www.atlantainfoguy.com.

00:41:41.000 Well, he apparently reads them for a living.

00:41:44.000 I asked him to give me, download the Federal Registry every day to me.

00:41:48.000 And he'd tell me why it's the most boring information.

00:41:51.000 And I said, because I'm an American, I need to be educated on this information.

00:41:55.000 Yeah, and understand, the Federal Registry is just where executives and branches and bureaucracies just write code, and it's the law, and they'll send people in black ski masks if you don't follow it.

00:42:05.000 Right.

00:42:06.000 But I'm just hoping that there's some way for the average person without a computer to go to...

00:42:11.000 Close shot.

00:42:11.000 ...and get this information.

00:42:13.000 And if you could explain in an elementary way, because you've got to realize these people have been dumbed down and duped by the school system since the 60s.

00:42:21.000 Well, listen, I really appreciate your call, okay?

00:42:22.000 Thanks.

00:42:23.000 Thanks a lot.

00:42:23.000 Okay, let's go ahead and go to some excerpts from Brian Gumbel, Public Eye.

00:42:31.000 This is Erwin Schiff, who was on the program a couple weeks ago here on Access Television.

00:42:35.000 Let's go ahead and go to that.

00:42:36.000 It's time for the American people to wake up and stop it.

00:42:45.000 We're not slaves.

00:42:46.000 We should not be taxed on our wages.

00:42:50.000 I'm going to prove to you very quickly...

00:42:53.000 It doesn't take much to prove you don't have to pay income taxes.

00:42:56.000 It's all because of this man, Erwin Schiff, who claims he's done more than anyone for the cause of tax haters since the patriots who organized the Boston Tea Party.

00:43:07.000 Schiff relentlessly preaches his message in books, on the radio, and at seminars and speeches around the country.

00:43:14.000 I don't protest the law.

00:43:16.000 I think the law is fine because there's nothing in here that says you have to pay income taxes.

00:43:19.000 He tells people what they want to hear.

00:43:22.000 That they can thumb their noses at the IRS and get a refund check to boot.

00:43:27.000 Maggie, the IRS doesn't bother me.

00:43:29.000 You're looking at a man who pays no income taxes.

00:43:31.000 I keep no books and records.

00:43:33.000 It may sound crazy, but Erwin Schiff says it works.

00:43:37.000 These are copies of refund checks he provided to Public Eye, which he claims show hefty refunds paid to people using his zero-tax strategy.

00:43:46.000 And this year, he says, thousands of other Americans are flooding the IRS with zero returns.

00:43:53.000 Why won't that get them into trouble?

00:43:55.000 Well, as bizarre as it may seem, according to Erwin Schiff, nowhere in this three-pound book of IRS tax codes is there any definition of the word income.

00:44:05.000 No legal definition.

00:44:06.000 No taxes on income.

00:44:09.000 According to Schiff, that is.

00:44:11.000 Are you going to file a zero return this sheriff?

00:44:14.000 I would, but I'm married, and my husband, he has that fear of going to jail, you know, which he keeps telling me.

00:44:23.000 But I'm not afraid.

00:44:24.000 I would file a zero tax.

00:44:26.000 These people already have filed zero returns.

00:44:29.000 They're a group of friends who asked us not to use their last names.

00:44:33.000 Most of them work for the same company and share middle-class jobs and values.

00:44:39.000 But they're willing to put it all on the line because they ardently believe Irwin Schiff has found the loophole in the system.

00:44:47.000 Karen, for instance.

00:44:49.000 I object to the way they're taxing me.

00:44:52.000 I'm just a middle-class person.

00:44:53.000 You know, I'm a single parent.

00:44:55.000 I have kids in school.

00:44:56.000 And I don't see why I have to pay so much.

00:45:01.000 And Brad.

00:45:02.000 We're not loading our individual rights on a cattle car with commodities and privileges and heading them off into the IRS gas chambers anymore.

00:45:12.000 We're loading our rights and our lives on that freedom train going the other way.

00:45:17.000 And we're not looking back.

00:45:18.000 What could happen to this gentleman?

00:45:20.000 Well, if he's done what he said he's done and he files a return with all zeroes, Ted Brown is the Chief Criminal Investigator for the Internal Revenue Service.

00:45:32.000 So this gentleman is in trouble?

00:45:34.000 Could be, yes.

00:45:36.000 I don't want anybody else in this country to walk in that dream world thinking that I just don't file or file zero, whatever, and nothing is going to happen to me.

00:45:46.000 Because I thought the same thing, and I went to prison.

00:45:48.000 This man has been there, in federal prison, for protesting the income tax by not filing returns.

00:45:55.000 He asked us not to show his face or reveal his name.

00:45:59.000 He says filing a zero return or relying on advice from people like Irwin Schiff...

00:46:04.000 Is crazy.

00:46:06.000 Irwin Schwift is making a lot of money off of this.

00:46:10.000 I listened to Irwin Schwift when I was in prison.

00:46:13.000 I very much believe he's misguiding the American public.

00:46:18.000 It says pay your taxes.

00:46:20.000 So pay them.

00:46:21.000 Most of the people who file my zero return, they're not in trouble.

00:46:24.000 They can't be in trouble.

00:46:26.000 According to the IRS, people who file zero returns are not going to get off Scott Freight.

00:46:30.000 Well, they're lying.

00:46:31.000 They haven't prosecuted one person yet for doing so.

00:46:33.000 Okay?

00:46:34.000 Has anyone ever gone to jail for filing a zero income tax return?

00:46:37.000 Yes, there have been convictions and people have been sentenced to jail for filing zeros on their income tax return.

00:46:42.000 The law is meaningless.

00:46:44.000 It's not as if Irwin Schiff has avoided the IRS radar.

00:46:48.000 He's been campaigning against the agency for two decades, even posing for magazine photos setting a 1040 form ablaze.

00:46:57.000 And over the last 18 years, he's been locked up in federal prison four different times, twice for willfully failing to file his returns.

00:47:06.000 What does that prove?

00:47:07.000 Galileo was under house arrest for the last six years of his life for teaching that the earth revolved around the sun.

00:47:14.000 Charles Denysen spent time in jail.

00:47:16.000 Sherensky's from Mandela.

00:47:17.000 The fact that I'm going to spend time in jail, anybody who was against a government particularly gets railroaded.

00:47:24.000 Erwin Schiff considers himself just that kind of revolutionary.

00:47:28.000 But how is it that this 70-year-old man who used to sell health plans for a living is able to convince people to abandon common sense when it comes to the IRS?

00:47:39.000 The tax burden is a serious heavy burden.

00:47:41.000 It's real money for a lot of people.

00:47:44.000 And here's somebody telling them that they don't have to do it.

00:47:46.000 Why wouldn't you believe?

00:47:48.000 Why wouldn't you want to believe?

00:47:50.000 Michael Gretz is a former Treasury Department official and one of the nation's leading experts on income tax.

00:47:56.000 It's deep-seated anger against the IRS, he says, which convinces otherwise law-abiding people to sign on to seemingly bizarre schemes.

00:48:06.000 The people who listen to Erwin Schiff are looking for a way to assuage that anger.

00:48:12.000 And this anger is well justified.

00:48:16.000 There's no reason for anybody on the eve of filing their tax returns to feel good about the current state of the income tax.

00:48:25.000 So, Erwin, let me ask you this.

00:48:26.000 How much money did you make this year?

00:48:28.000 I'm the Vegas idea.

00:48:29.000 I don't keep books and records.

00:48:31.000 You sell the tax code books, $75 a piece.

00:48:33.000 You travel, you tour, you've got your business.

00:48:36.000 Estimate for me.

00:48:37.000 Estimate for me what you made this year.

00:48:39.000 Well, certainly it's going to be in excess of $100,000, I would say.

00:48:42.000 Are you going to file a zero return this year yourself?

00:48:44.000 I may.

00:48:46.000 Personally, Maggie, I may not file any returns.

00:48:48.000 I didn't file one last year.

00:48:49.000 Up until a year before, I filed zero returns.

00:48:51.000 Ironically, while Erwin Schiff is being cagey about his 97 return, the people he's persuaded to follow him are plunging right in.

00:49:00.000 If enough people follow zero income filing and they say, not only am I filing zero income this year, I want my money back from last year, the government's going to have to listen.

00:49:14.000 Do you think people like Erwin Schiff are dangerous?

00:49:18.000 If he tells them there's no chance they're going to prison, yes, he's very dangerous to them because they can go to prison.

00:49:25.000 I was told I wouldn't go to prison, too.

00:49:27.000 I went.

00:49:29.000 By some estimates, the government each year...

00:49:32.000 Well, it's the IRS. Can we stop the tapes in there?

00:49:38.000 Because I can hear them in here.

00:49:39.000 I don't know if y'all know that.

00:49:44.000 Look, the IRS is criminal, guys.

00:49:48.000 They engage in criminality.

00:49:50.000 There is no innocent until proven guilty.

00:49:52.000 It'll be the same answer as it was this week.

00:49:54.000 No innocent until proven guilty.

00:49:56.000 No due process.

00:49:58.000 Half of everything you make goes to some form of taxes.

00:50:01.000 For every federal dollar of taxes they take from you, they only give you 30 cents back in the form of a service.

00:50:07.000 30 cents on the dollar.

00:50:09.000 Whereas a free market corporation delivers 90 cents back on the dollar on average.

00:50:15.000 Do you understand it is not working?

00:50:17.000 They have lied to you.

00:50:18.000 It is about control.

00:50:20.000 I was just reading in the paper, Wall Street Journal last week, or was it?

00:50:26.000 I believe so.

00:50:28.000 Got it out in the car, as usual, got stacks of stuff.

00:50:30.000 And it said that Japan is going to cut taxes because their depression is so bad.

00:50:37.000 When Kennedy cut taxes, revenue increased.

00:50:40.000 When Truman cut taxes by half, revenue doubled.

00:50:43.000 It's not a set-sum game.

00:50:45.000 You cut taxes, money flows in the private sector and is multiplied, not squandered.

00:50:51.000 Your Social Security money is not there.

00:50:54.000 It is totally bankrupt.

00:50:55.000 They spend it as soon as it comes into the Federal Reserve, private banks.

00:50:59.000 It's all a big lie.

00:51:00.000 It's all a big Ponzi scheme.

00:51:03.000 And they're getting ready to cash in the chips.

00:51:06.000 Alright, we'll take some phone calls.

00:51:07.000 Ten minutes of the show.

00:51:09.000 Then the show's over.

00:51:10.000 And I'd like to go out with...

00:51:13.000 Track one on that CD that's in the player in there.

00:51:16.000 It's some pretty opera.

00:51:19.000 Hello, you're on the air.

00:51:20.000 Alex, it's Tony.

00:51:21.000 Hey, Tony, how you doing?

00:51:23.000 Oh, everything's all right.

00:51:24.000 Listen, it's interesting that you're bringing up Henry Gonzalez.

00:51:27.000 My brother's a good friend of his down in San Antonio.

00:51:30.000 And did you know Henry's quitting?

00:51:32.000 He's leaving Congress because of a number of reasons, but I don't have a lot of time here, so just let me make a couple quick points.

00:51:40.000 Through some CIA... Ex-agents that he's involved with.

00:51:45.000 He's learned a lot about what is planned.

00:51:50.000 Now, this doesn't mean it's going to come about, but what is planned is a communistic-style government under the UN. Okay, now I know you know this.

00:52:03.000 It's obvious.

00:52:04.000 Watch the news.

00:52:05.000 Hold on.

00:52:05.000 You watch the news.

00:52:06.000 You in this.

00:52:07.000 You in that.

00:52:08.000 Ted Turner, U.N., U.N. Children, UNICEF, rock concerts, U.N., U.N., Madeline Albright, U.N., telling a state not to execute somebody.

00:52:18.000 Oh, aren't they sweet?

00:52:19.000 Now the U.N. is going after Pol Pot after they helped him for 20 years. 0.93

00:52:22.000 Oh, U.N., U.N. It just goes on and on.

00:52:27.000 They're preparing us psychologically to accept world governance, world taxation system.

00:52:32.000 So what were the other reasons that he said?

00:52:34.000 Right.

00:52:34.000 And another thing that is very big, I mean, it's probably the second biggest thing going on, is how they use the media to totally brainwash the public.

00:52:45.000 I mean, this is huge.

00:52:47.000 It's called conditioning.

00:52:49.000 They use everything.

00:52:50.000 They use the movies.

00:52:51.000 They use magazines.

00:52:53.000 They use television, radio.

00:52:54.000 They use all of the media in a very orchestrated, propaganda, machine-like system.

00:53:02.000 It's a group psychology paradigm.

00:53:05.000 Right, and it's, I mean, there are think tanks all over this country that feed this, really, it's like organized crime.

00:53:15.000 It's like a mob control.

00:53:17.000 But, let's explain.

00:53:19.000 People would say, why would these think tanks do this evil?

00:53:21.000 Because they're funded and financed by those.

00:53:24.000 That's right. 1.00

00:53:24.000 That all the people in power have got to do is keep us stupid. 1.00

00:53:27.000 Keep us shackled. 1.00

00:53:28.000 They make their money out of slavery, not out of creation, not out of ideas.

00:53:33.000 That's right.

00:53:34.000 People are ruled by money in this country.

00:53:36.000 I mean, as long as they make $50,000 or $100,000 working for the government, they don't care how many people get hurt.

00:53:41.000 And it's paper that the controllers print.

00:53:44.000 That's why they have huge taxes, even though it hurts the economy, because it gives them control.

00:53:49.000 Yeah, here's another point that he told my brother.

00:53:51.000 It's very interesting, okay?

00:53:53.000 Russia has nuclear bomb shelters for 60% of their population.

00:53:57.000 China has nuclear bomb shelters for 100% of their population now.

00:54:03.000 And what do we have?

00:54:06.000 For 1%. 0.87

00:54:07.000 That's all the bomb shelters we have in this country, for 1%.

00:54:12.000 Does that look fishy or what?

00:54:15.000 Well, don't worry.

00:54:16.000 They've got huge underground complexes.

00:54:18.000 In Australia.

00:54:19.000 Well, yes, well, for our establishment.

00:54:22.000 Yeah, there's another thing you said.

00:54:23.000 They built a $100 billion nuclear bomb shelter city complex in Australia for the elite.

00:54:33.000 This is in Australia.

00:54:35.000 Well, it was actually in last month's Popular Mechanics, yes.

00:54:38.000 Okay, so what's going on is that...

00:54:42.000 The American public is being completely sold out.

00:54:46.000 They look at us as sheep that are going to follow anything that's on television.

00:54:50.000 Yes, back in 1995, Clinton sold the newest nuclear weapons diagnostic equipment, guidance systems to guide nuclear weapons.

00:55:02.000 So now China, according to...

00:55:04.000 Some congressmen and even the New York Times, but they told you it was a wonderful, not a problem.

00:55:09.000 That's part of their conditioning.

00:55:10.000 They tell you how bad it is and say, but you can't do anything, and then that makes you feel even more feeble.

00:55:14.000 He sold them guidance weapons, and now China can hit our entire country. 0.96

00:55:19.000 Thank you, Bill Clinton.

00:55:20.000 That's right.

00:55:20.000 And here's another interesting thing that Henry said.

00:55:23.000 He's been in Congress, I think it's 24 years or something like that.

00:55:26.000 There's not one other congressman that's willing to stand up with him against this.

00:55:32.000 What do you mean Ron Paul is?

00:55:33.000 Not completely.

00:55:34.000 He said that there isn't one.

00:55:36.000 I don't know Ron Paul that well, but he says that they're all controlled to some extent.

00:55:42.000 You see?

00:55:42.000 And I don't know.

00:55:44.000 I don't know Ron Paul, but this is what he said.

00:55:46.000 So that's why he's leaving, because he's so frustrated.

00:55:48.000 You know, like you were talking about earlier, how you're getting frustrated and depressed about this whole thing.

00:55:53.000 Yeah, you've seen these smiley-faced slaves all over the place. 1.00

00:55:56.000 You know you're not doing the best job that you can do to fight it.

00:55:58.000 And at a certain point, you just say, God Almighty!

00:56:01.000 I know it.

00:56:02.000 Maybe I should just go to the Coach Pender's going away party like I'm invited.

00:56:06.000 But anyway...

00:56:07.000 Listen, Tony, I've got to go.

00:56:08.000 Okay, but one more thing.

00:56:09.000 I think people should really listen to what Henry is saying because he's done a lot of investigation in the last 20 years into all this.

00:56:16.000 So they might go to listen to his speeches or whatever that he's got coming up in the state, you know?

00:56:22.000 Well, listen, Tony, since you know him...

00:56:25.000 You know, you're from San Antonio, and you're from the Hispanic community.

00:56:28.000 Be sure and tell me, and we'll go with the film crew, me and you, and we'll go down there and interview Henry.

00:56:33.000 That sounds real good.

00:56:34.000 Tony, now do it.

00:56:35.000 You can do something for the movement.

00:56:36.000 Yeah, we're going to do it.

00:56:37.000 Okay, thanks a lot.

00:56:38.000 Give me a call when it comes time.

00:56:39.000 Hello, you're on the air.

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:44.000 Hello, you're on the air.

00:56:45.000 Hello, Alex.

00:56:46.000 Yes.

00:56:46.000 How you doing?

00:56:47.000 I talked to you down at the studio Saturday when you were editing with Kirk.

00:56:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:53.000 I was wondering if you could enlighten me.

00:56:58.000 I tuned in towards the end of the program with Jeff and Erickson today.

00:57:12.000 We're alluding to some type of trouble or something Jeff was having.

00:57:17.000 No, Jeff is an alright guy.

00:57:20.000 Jeff has been under stress.

00:57:21.000 Him and his producer had a falling out?

00:57:23.000 Yeah, that's what they had talked about at the beginning of the show and described it.

00:57:27.000 And when I called to query about what the nature of it was, they all of a sudden decided that they didn't want to air their dirty laundry on the air.

00:57:39.000 And I thought it was ironic that they put...

00:57:41.000 Questions to everybody, and they expect answers, but when a caller puts a fair question, they've already made privy of the information on the air once, and they wouldn't tell me.

00:57:54.000 I thought it was a bit ironic.

00:57:56.000 I just have a comment to make, and you know that I'm not a prank caller or anything, or I'm not trying to get your goat or anything.

00:58:04.000 That's fine.

00:58:04.000 We have about three minutes.

00:58:05.000 Go ahead.

00:58:05.000 I just have a suggestion you might pass along.

00:58:08.000 I think that Erickson and Haywood Would get a lot further with his inquiries if he would act a little more decent in his initial approach with people instead of being so confronting in the very inception.

00:58:27.000 I mean, I can understand you can get angry if you get shut down.

00:58:30.000 Listen, Greg's a nice guy, and he's frustrated, too, and we're all frustrated.

00:58:34.000 I appreciate your call.

00:58:35.000 Alex, we have a...

00:58:40.000 Keith Perry's phone number actually is addressed so people can write.

00:58:43.000 Yeah, flash that up and then we want to thank KJFK again and we have to have the address up at the end of our tagline.

00:58:53.000 Please write in support to Keith Perry, a letter to your congressman, etc.

00:58:56.000 If you want to mail the actual letters to Keith Perry, he can compile them.

00:58:59.000 Yeah, Keith Perry's a micro-broadcaster who was just shut down.

00:59:03.000 He wasn't intruding on any other signals and he was...

00:59:06.000 Providing a public service.

00:59:07.000 Most other countries allow micro-broadcasting.

00:59:10.000 Only America doesn't.

00:59:12.000 So there's Keith Perry's address.

00:59:14.000 Again, I want to thank my crew tonight.

00:59:16.000 Guys, I'll be done with the documentary next week.

00:59:18.000 Much more rested.

00:59:19.000 I'm going to prepare some new stuff for y'all next week.

00:59:21.000 I'd like to bring you new information and things.

00:59:24.000 Believe me, I could talk all day about badminton.

00:59:27.000 I don't play badminton.

00:59:28.000 That's a joke.

00:59:29.000 It's just so hard for me not to talk about this.

00:59:32.000 It's real hard.

00:59:34.000 Can we get a close shot?

00:59:37.000 It's real hard not to talk about that.

00:59:41.000 The government is creating these all over the nation.

00:59:43.000 They're under federal control.

00:59:45.000 Secretary of Defense announced it.

00:59:48.000 Concentration camps are being built all over the nation.

00:59:51.000 Of course, again, one more time, there is the sponsor of this program, 98.9 KJFK FM Radio.

00:59:58.000 And, of course, I am a host with 98.9 KJFK every Saturday evening from 7 to 11 p.m.

01:00:05.000 And, of course, that is 98.9 KJFK. I want to thank everybody for their phone calls tonight.

01:00:12.000 You heard that last caller who's an Access producer.

01:00:14.000 I've been up here seven days a week, at least ten hours a day, on top of programming on radio and television.

01:00:20.000 I'm going to try to...

01:00:21.000 This documentary's going to be hot.

01:00:23.000 Next week, I'm going to play None Dare Call It Murder.

01:00:28.000 Depends on if they have a class next week or not.

01:00:30.000 If they have a class next week, I'm going to run this.

01:00:31.000 If they don't, I'm going to run my documentary.

01:00:34.000 So next Tuesday, 8.30 to 11 p.m., and of course, Mike Hansen's show, Mondays, with Steve Lane and myself sometimes, and that is the Freedom Report on Monday night from 7 to 8.30 p.m.

01:00:47.000 All right, thanks a lot, everybody.

01:00:52.000 You actually won't get through on that number, because it's...

01:00:59.000 And of course, please write to me.

01:01:01.000 I really appreciate your letters and news clippings or any clips and videotape or anything.

01:01:08.000 This has been Exposing Corruption.

01:01:10.000 I don't have all the answers, but I know one thing.

01:01:12.000 You're being lied to.

01:01:13.000 If 10% of what I say is true, we're in deep trouble.

01:01:16.000 I'll see you Tuesday night.

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