On this episode of Conspiracy Theories, we have a special guest on the show, Jesse Jackson. Jesse is an American journalist, author, historian, and political philosopher. He is a frequent contributor to the New York Times, USA Today, and the Wall Street Journal. He is also the author of the best selling book, Behold a Pale Horse, which has been a best seller for over 30 years. In this episode, Jesse talks about the Blackhawk helicopter chase in Arizona, and how it relates to the current state of the country.
00:00:03.000Uh, kind of ironic you're talking about black helicopters today.
00:00:07.000Uh, me and my son were out and, uh, out and about in town today, and, uh, my wife was here at home with the other... Well, I gotta go, buddy, but call me back later.
00:03:33.000That's because the global mafia runs things, and our president's just a little drill bit that they... a little front man, a little pitch man.
00:03:48.000Well, I know you're... we'll get into what's been going on there in Arizona a little bit later.
00:03:53.000I really appreciate you taking out the time to do this program with your busy schedule.
00:03:57.000Where do you think things are going to be in the next two years?
00:04:01.000Well, either Americans are going to wake up and they're going to stand up in unison and take up arms and challenge the federal government to step back within the boundaries of the Constitution, or there's going to be a civil war in this country.
00:04:15.000The only alternative to that is total enslavement of the entire human race on a global scale, because that's where this is going.
00:04:24.000This is all about a one-world totalitarian Socialist government.
00:04:29.000It's about destroying all existing nation states, destroying all existing religions, save the religion of those who are bringing this about, which is the secular humanist socialist religion.
00:04:43.000That way you can devalue human life and kill people.
00:04:49.000And they've already convinced the American people that it's okay.
00:04:52.000The people whose ancestors came to the New World to escape religious persecution in the Old World stood and watched the Branch Davidians burn, including all of their children, all of their women, and they cheered and said that it was because they were a bunch of religious fanatics.
00:05:33.000I used to cry big alligator tears for them in their ignorance, and I used to do everything I could to wake them up.
00:05:40.000I've drawn my line in the sand, and I'm going to do what's right by God, and I don't give a damn who cares or who likes it or who doesn't.
00:05:48.000Even if it means I have to die on my doorstep.
00:05:52.000Well now we're getting to what's been happening.
00:05:56.000The feds are saying that you didn't show up for a court date but they never gave you a subpoena did they?
00:06:04.000We have never received any subpoena, no notification, no nothing.
00:06:08.000No nothing, and now the newspapers are reporting that Militiaman, they don't say best selling author, military veteran, no criminal record, William Cooper, they just say Arizona Militiaman tax fraud and bank fraud is refusing to come into the loving arms of Janet Reno.
00:06:33.000Not only will I not come in, but if the Civil War has to start right here, it will.
00:07:38.000The only ones that have reached the public eye are the Weaver family and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas, but it's happened on a large scale all across this country in every state.
00:07:49.000It usually is contained at the local level, and one of the indications that you will know that I'm right is that you haven't seen what's happening here on any of the major news networks, and you're not going to.
00:08:04.000Because I've taken a stance documented in the law.
00:08:22.000And anybody that comes up here and tries to encroach upon my rights or take away the protection of the Constitution from me and my family is going to get a bullet.
00:08:35.000Just to go back to what you just hinted at is the compartmentalization of news.
00:08:39.000We stopped, myself and a few others in this town, stopped the Delta Force from coming and doing secret military training and paying off our police chief.
00:08:48.000Now the San Antonio police chief, a man that you ought to be aware of, is Al A. Philippus, and I went down and got an interview face-to-face on videotape And I've actually played the audio here on the show several times, where he said they tried to bribe him.
00:11:23.000That's right, and that's why we're getting beat by the Marxist-Socialist-Communists, because they have 5-year plans, 10-year plans, 15-year plans.
00:11:31.000Twenty-five year plans and fifty year plans, and they stick to them.
00:11:39.000It's just going to be... I think that... Either the American people are going to become slaves within just a few years, and it's going to be an enslavement like nobody can even dream of, and it's going to extend worldwide, and we're the only people that can stop it, because we're the only people in the world, still, who have the capabilities... Have the arms.
00:12:03.000Or there's going to be a civil war which will last between 5 and 15 years to restore constitutional republican government and freedom and liberty worldwide.
00:12:28.000Ever since I saw the plan back in 1971 and 1972 when I was on the intelligence briefing team for CINCPAC Fleet to bring about one world totalitarian socialist government, and when I saw that the United States was behind the whole thing, this is not coming from without.
00:12:46.000The United States created the United Nations.
00:12:50.000created the european union that has just been formed. Well you're saying the united states
00:12:56.000is acting as the world police force right now. Well you're saying the united states,
00:13:01.000wouldn't you say a foreign aristocracy out of new york and boston that controls our nation?
00:13:07.000United states. Okay who? United states.
00:13:10.000It's with its headquarters in Washington DC. District of Columbia.
00:14:02.000It's the reason this country was founded, and Americans don't understand that.
00:14:05.000The Founding Fathers, many of them were deists.
00:14:08.000They were members of the Secret Society.
00:14:10.000Some of them were members of the Illuminati.
00:14:13.000They created this country and gave the common man freedom for the first time in the history of the world, making him a king in his own right.
00:14:19.000They told him what he had to do to keep his freedom and what he would lose if he didn't do it.
00:14:26.000And when they did this, giving the common man freedom, it toppled all the kings and queens off their thrones all around the world and that was the major goal of establishing this country.
00:14:36.000If the common man could have been vigilant and maintained his freedom and not given in to the I want, and I want, and I deserve, and you've got to feed me, and you've got to do this, and you've got to take care of me, and change my diaper, and wipe my butt, and get me a job, and entertain me, and all that kind of stuff, which always leads back into what they call democracy, which always leads into socialism, which end goal stated by Marx and Lenin is communism.
00:15:03.000Democracy is absolutely indispensable to socialism.
00:15:07.000What did you first think when you saw this openly being discussed in the top levels of the military?
00:15:14.000Well, it shocked the hell out of me, but they thought I was one of them.
00:15:16.000It was an accident, but I got in there.
00:15:19.000I'd been a member of the Demilay Society when I was 13 years old, only attended three meetings, and then my father was transferred to Japan.
00:15:27.000I never saw another lodge and never went to another meeting.
00:15:31.000When I filled out all my documentation for my top secret QSI security clearance, which was required to be able to work in the command center and on the briefing team at CPAC Fleet, I didn't see DMLA on there.
00:15:46.000And when I checked Freemason, that's what opened all the doors and got me the security clearance and put me in those positions to be able to see what I saw.
00:15:54.000And I think the hand of God was working when that happened.
00:15:58.000so that I would be able to warn his people of what was coming.
00:16:25.000Just to go back to what's happening here locally in Central Texas.
00:16:31.000We know that there are dozens of different alphabet soup agencies that have the helicopters with the forward infrared looking radar and all the rest of this.
00:17:01.000Well, because they know what's coming.
00:17:03.000They know that there's a hard core group of American men and women who are devout, religious, moral people, love freedom.
00:17:14.000and are dedicated to the concept of liberty and freedom and will fight to protect and defend constitutional republican government against anything that comes along.
00:17:25.000And when that begins, it's going to be a terrible, terrible thing.
00:17:30.000I've spent most of my adult life trying to warn people and wake up enough people so that this did not have to happen because I know it's going to be terrible.
00:17:40.000Now, President Clinton has now openly come out, and I'd actually read that they were pushing three years ago and I was talking about it.
00:17:47.000about the national ID card and biometrics, thumb scanning, retina scanning.
00:17:52.000And since 94 in Texas, they've been thumb scanning us to get driver's license and people just stampede in there like, shoot, we had a big protest down there where I was arrested.
00:18:01.000I guess it's six or eight months ago now.
00:18:03.000What does it mean to the public when we have one card that our insurance and our credit cards and our bank accounts and our receipts and everything is on that one card?
00:18:13.000Means the public is stupid and they're already a hair's breadth away from total enslavement.
00:18:18.000If they had any brains at all, they would have said, no, I'm not taking that.
00:18:22.000And if you don't like it, that's tough.
00:18:23.000And all those businesses and all those driver's license bureaus and all those, the revenue that it brings in for all those cities and counties would have just evaporated in smoke and they would have backed down and said, okay, okay, you don't have to do it, we'll do it another way.
00:18:40.000They don't understand that the power in this country is the power of the people, and that they don't have to do anything that's outside the bounds of the Constitution.
00:18:49.000And the government can be held within the bounds, the restraints that the Constitution put upon it, that our Founding Fathers created so that the American people could never be enslaved.
00:19:00.000What is the main goal of biometrics, retina scanning, thumb scanning?
00:19:02.000In my opinion, it is total loss of control of your destiny.
00:19:04.000the American people. The only way it could be done is from within if the American people
00:19:36.000There won't be any insurance cards or anything like that.
00:19:39.000Everybody will have an account on a computer.
00:19:43.000Everybody will have a computer chip implant somewhere on their body that will access the computer.
00:19:52.000Everybody, when they go to work, will get so many credits for that work, and they can go out and wave their little computer chip in their hand, or whatever it is, under a scanner at the supermarket, and buy whatever they've got credits to buy.
00:20:04.000And if they don't have credits, they've got to stay home until they get some credits.
00:20:30.000And it says the best part, now this is their words, the best part about it is your daughter in the near future can have a chip under her skin and you won't have to buy the drinks for at the bar.
00:20:42.000I mean, everything's insane about that paragraph.
00:20:46.000And the whole 10 page article is about how great the smart card is and then the chip.
00:20:51.000And as we know, Time Magazine is a filthy, elitist propaganda rag.
00:20:58.000So I can't see how anybody would deny this.
00:21:00.000But I guess most people only see it as a convenience.
00:21:04.000What's insane about it is that the American people think that that would be convenient or that that would be good for them.
00:21:10.000It is the ultimate end-run goal to enslave the populace and to steal what's left that's not already stolen.
00:21:18.000By the elite who are engineering and machinizing all of this stuff to make it come about.
00:21:28.000Now, the goal of a debt based economy is not to get caught stealing.
00:21:34.000And that's what they're doing, stealing the wealth and the substance and the nation right out from under us.
00:21:39.000That's the only end result that can come out of a debt based economy.
00:21:43.000And the only way that they can't get caught is if the people allow them Go to a cashless system.
00:22:00.000That's why they want to go to a cashless system and that's why they ultimately have to.
00:22:04.000Anybody understands how this economy works and what the end result of a debt-based economy, where the interest is never created or printed, It's a fiat Ponzi scheme.
00:22:28.000So what you're saying is that we have a fiat ponzi scheme, con game government monetary system based on fractional
00:22:37.000reserve banking and that the money machines are printing out of control.
00:22:41.000I talked to Congressman Ron Paul just a few weeks ago, and he said, yes, the Federal Reserve is printing 10% more money into the supply every six to eight months.
00:22:50.000So this is creating this false prosperity, and the public just loves it.
00:22:56.000But meanwhile, they're just coaxing us in to this cashless society so the fairy tale can continue.
00:24:18.000Clinton didn't do anything except eliminate the deficit.
00:24:23.000You know how you eliminate the deficit?
00:24:25.000You either don't spend as much so that you stay within the bounds allotted by Congress, or you have Congress pass more allotments So that you can spend more than what you need to spend.
00:24:37.000Yeah, I mean, I make... It did not pay off the national debt.
00:24:58.000So when he says we got a zero deficit, that means absolutely nothing except Congress is allotting more money for the government to spend, because the government is not spending less, they're spending more than they ever have had.
00:25:09.000They are spending more, and they're using this to beef up the police state.
00:25:14.000It's obvious to anybody that honestly looks at it.
00:26:40.000What is your opinion of the UN passing its new world court?
00:26:48.000Well if they passed a world court, how can they have a world court if there is sovereign
00:26:54.000nations because sovereign nations are not subject to any courts but their own.
00:26:59.000So how can they have a world court unless there's a world government to which sovereign nations have given up their sovereignty?
00:27:10.000Does the Constitution for the United States of America say that we are subject to the dictates or the jurisdiction or the rulings of a world court?
00:27:22.000Does it say that anywhere in the Constitution?
00:27:25.000And when I watch the local news, all I hear is how wonderful the United Nations is.
00:27:32.000Our public are being indoctrinated about this.
00:27:35.000Sir, I know that you didn't ask me about this, but do you have a 1-800 number or a number where people can order Behold a Pale Horse?
00:27:41.000No, I don't have a 1-800 number, and even if I did, they couldn't order because I will not contribute to the To the debt-based destruction of our economy and property of the American people.
00:27:52.000So they can't order anything from us by phone.
00:27:55.000If they want to order something from us, they have to send blank postal money orders or cash.
00:27:59.000If you hold a pale horse, it's $30 delivered to your door, and you can order by sending blank money orders or cash to Harvest Trust, in care of, and make sure you put in care of on the address.
00:30:24.000Well, a lawful tax would be a state sales tax down at your local grocery store.
00:30:30.000A lawful tax would be a property tax for which you paid for it with the Fiat Federal Reserve notes instead of gold or silver coin.
00:30:40.000You can't pay off a debt with a debt, so you never really purchase anything in this country in this debt-based economy with the Fiat Federal Reserve notes.
00:30:50.000All you do is take possession under a lease.
00:30:54.000And the ownership stays with the government.
00:30:57.000That's why you get a warrant deed when you pay off your house instead of the patent title to the property.
00:31:04.000And that's why you get a certificate of title when you think you paid for your automobile instead of the actual patent title to that property.
00:31:13.000This is all being done with contract fraud and people can't even... Yes, it is fraud.
00:31:20.000That's why I catch myself, as I get deeper and deeper into this, becoming more angry, Flat out, I guess I'm at the point where you said that you were several years ago, where you're just sad about it, because you see the people thinking they have a grasp of what's happening in the civilization.
00:31:38.000But I've read enough history, I know enough about the country and what's been happening, to realize that pretty much everything that you're told in the media has lies weaved right into it.
00:31:51.000The American people are standing inside the gates of Disneyland, holding their e-ticket, which is expired, None of the rides are working and they're just having a great time.
00:32:19.000I'm not a prophet and I'm not a psychic.
00:32:22.000But I can tell you from what I saw in that plan when I was with ONI.
00:32:28.000And what I have researched since then tells me that within a very few years the American people are either going to be totally enslaved in the worst enslavement that you can even dream of or there's going to be a civil war actively being fought under the most terrible conditions in this country.
00:32:46.000Well I don't have a crystal ball but it's pretty simple to predict what these guys are going to do now that they're out in the open.
00:32:53.000I mean ten years ago it wasn't so out in the open.
00:33:06.000Secret military teams are trading with your local police.
00:33:08.000It's pretty much in your face now and I don't know if Clinton wants to leave office or maybe he wants to go be Head of the UN or something.
00:33:16.000Who do you think as leaders from your intelligence networks, do you think are on the horizon?
00:33:21.000Who do you think the next president will be?
00:33:24.000They're not my leaders, and it's not my government anymore.
00:33:28.000They have subverted my government, destroyed it from within, and my only hope is that I can find enough good American patriots who are moral, who are good men, who understand what liberty and freedom is all about.
00:33:45.000To go in there and restore constitutional Republican government by any method that it requires, including the force of arms.
00:33:53.000Otherwise, my children and my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren are going to be slaves.
00:33:58.000So you've totally turned your back completely on the festering system.
00:34:13.000There is a subversion of government going on as we speak in the halls of government throughout this country, not just in Washington, D.C.
00:34:23.000So you're saying it is criminal enterprise, incredibly sophisticated, controlling Hollywood, the universities, and the major mass media through foundation money and through control of finance, and all their whores and all their pumps and all their little agents don't mean a damn to you.
00:34:41.000You're going to take care of your family, try to educate the public, and just continue to prepare.
00:34:47.000And you're saying that you have not committed any crimes, You're not bothering anybody, and if the feds try to come and take your home and take your family, that you're going to oppose them with force of arms?
00:35:00.000They have declared war upon me and all patriots and everybody in this country who is a loyal constitutionalist, who has taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and if the Civil War has to start on my doorstep, that's as good a place as any.
00:35:46.000I can guarantee you that that's not what he said.
00:35:49.000I can guarantee you that what he quotes that Sheriff Arthur Lee said is not the truth.
00:35:56.000We spoke to Sheriff Arthur Lee last night.
00:35:59.000Arthur Lee says that I'm right, that he has jurisdiction over the feds in this county, and he has told them not to come in this county and harass this family.
00:37:15.000That's what Congressman Ron Paul, and I was shocked when even he said that.
00:37:19.000He said to me in the past and to my associates that all he can do is try to get the word out up in Washington that he really doesn't have any power.
00:37:28.000All he can do is try to raise alarm bells about fascistic, communistic legislation that comes rolling past him every day.
00:37:36.000And he said that he thinks things are far gone.
00:37:40.000I said, so sir, the sun is setting on the republic.
00:37:43.000And he goes, well, it's pretty much already set.
00:38:15.000I just hope they cling to their technology with all they've got.
00:38:18.000I hope they train every soldier to use computers and not be able to function without a satellite uplink and all of that stuff so we can just kick their butts all the way back to Washington D.C.
00:38:30.000and try them for the crimes that they're guilty of.
00:38:35.000Sir, I don't want to get into the things that you've already sacrificed and done for your country, but you've actually You've been threatened quite a bit and people have actually attempted to try to kill you, haven't they?
00:39:13.000They lost their property, they lost limbs, they lost everything.
00:39:18.000And it was only really 2% at the start of the revolution that got it going, wasn't it?
00:39:24.000Well, I believe it was about 3.8% of all the people in the colonies helped found this nation and fought the Revolutionary War to create it and give what they called their posterity liberty and freedom.
00:39:39.000And the United States government was created to protect the rights of individuals, whether or not they voted.
00:39:46.000No matter what happened, they were supposed to stay within the bounds of the Constitution and protect the rights of individuals and guaranteed us in that document constitutional Republican government.
00:39:58.000Not just in Washington, D.C., but in every state, every county, every city of this country.
00:40:04.000So Mr. Cooper, you think that It doesn't matter what they do, they lose and they know it.
00:40:09.000They've stepped on their dicks this time.
00:40:10.000No matter what they do, they lose and they know it.
00:40:12.000and uh... launching a hellfire attack with a doesn't matter what they do they
00:40:17.000lose and they know it they've stepped on their dicks this time no matter what
00:41:24.000Well, sir, again, I really appreciate you taking out this time to speak to people here in Central Texas.
00:41:29.000I'd like to give out the website because that's where people can get the documentation and the law and see what's really happening and understand why we're right and not just blowing smoke and understand that this is the stance that they're also going to have to take if they want to be free.
00:41:52.000Will you stay with us for a break, because I'm actually behind two breaks, and if you'd stay with us... I just wanted to give out the website, though, because I've got to get going, too.
00:42:01.000Okay, go ahead and give out your website, sir.
00:43:05.000Well, Mr. Cooper, thanks a lot for being with us this evening, and I'll be following what's going on from here in Austin with the controlled media, and try to keep in touch with you and find out what's happening.
00:43:15.000And I've been very attentive to try to Come out to Arizona, but I figured that you had everything under control.
00:43:20.000I was just going to come out and probably do a news story, but I don't have the time either.
00:43:23.000And if they kill you, well, who knows?
00:43:27.000And they've got their little unmarked driving around and all the rest of the behavior going on.
00:43:30.000And I'm sure sad that there's elements of our federal government and a lot of dupes that work for them that really don't know who they're really working for.
00:43:39.000What would you say to the law enforcement officers out driving around in their cars?
00:43:42.000Because I get a lot of calls from them on this program.
00:43:44.000Well, the only thing I can say to them is they're not going to like being slaves either.
00:43:47.000That badge and that gun isn't going to give them any special privileges in the New World Order.
00:43:52.000In fact, if they'll read State Department Publication 7277, they'll find out that most of their law enforcement agencies are going to disappear except for a small group that will be just used to maintain internal order once they have everybody in the bonds of enslavement.
00:44:11.000And also, if they study the history of Socialism and Communism, everybody who helped Socialism and Communism come to power are the first people that they eliminate once they have welded the last chains in place.
00:44:28.000Yes, I say this all the time, because they were the people that helped get the establishment into full command.
00:44:35.000They know how the system works at certain levels.
00:44:39.000It's just like this, whenever some little slime ball comes up to the gate and opens up the castle gate and lowers the drawbridge for the enemy to come in, the first person the enemy kills is that traitor because the enemy knows that next week that little rat traitor is going to open the gate for somebody else.