Alex Jones Show - 20021106_Liddy_Alex

00:00:00.000 Passing through the lies and disinformation, it's Alex Jones, only on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:10.000 All right, folks, we're here in the final 27 minutes of the State Time Show.

00:00:13.000 We'll be back tonight from 9 to midnight Central Standard Time.

00:00:18.000 And that we do have G. Gordon Liddy on the line with us.

00:00:20.000 He has written a new book.

00:00:22.000 I read his book, Will, many years ago and found it to be superb.

00:00:26.000 A new book.

00:00:27.000 When I was a kid, this was a free country and basically it covers all the issues that we go over on this show.

00:00:32.000 The BATF, gun grabbers, the land grabbing, phony environmentalists, all of it.

00:00:38.000 And Mr. Liddy, it's good to have you on the show today, sir.

00:00:41.000 Alex, it's a delight to be with you.

00:00:43.000 I'm glad we could hook up.

00:00:45.000 Indeed.

00:00:47.000 A great title.

00:00:48.000 When I was a kid, this was a free country.

00:00:51.000 Write down the book for us.

00:00:53.000 Well, you know, the reason that I wrote the book is because of the remarkable difference in the way this country was when I was a kid.

00:01:05.000 We had all these freedoms that have been taken away from us one by one, salami tactic, always in the interest of some You know, good reason, quote-unquote. 1.00

00:01:18.000 And the young people don't miss what they never had.

00:01:23.000 And I wanted to show them what it was like when we were really free.

00:01:28.000 And to get them stirred up enough, I'm hoping, that they will stop this constant erosion of our liberties.

00:01:38.000 Now, G. Gordon Liddy, I mean certainly you are famous for Watergate and you've got a very popular in the top five nationally syndicated radio show and you've written another best-selling book.

00:01:52.000 I was always pleased that you have the courage that all these other phony neocon conservative big talk show hosts don't have to criticize the BATF and for incidents like Ruby Ridge and Waco.

00:02:05.000 Why does that concern G. Gordon Liddy?

00:02:08.000 Well, because it is a huge abuse of government power.

00:02:13.000 Now remember, I served in the FBI, and I was very proud to serve in the FBI.

00:02:17.000 And back in the days of the late, great J. Edgar Hoover, we never did anything like that.

00:02:23.000 We did not, first of all, have a, quote, hostage rescue team, end quote.

00:02:28.000 We didn't need a hostage rescue team.

00:02:31.000 A bunch of out-of-control cowboys. 0.92

00:02:35.000 Uh, whose idea of, uh, how to rescue someone is to burn them, you know, alive.

00:02:40.000 Well, I read the Delta Force memo that came out in Congress.

00:02:43.000 They didn't want to go on the mission.

00:02:45.000 They said that, uh, this is, you know, not an arrest situation.

00:02:48.000 We're being sent in to take them out, and they went ahead and ordered them in as well.

00:02:52.000 Is that a good precedent to have Delta Force Army Special Operations under FBI operating domestically against the American people?

00:02:59.000 No, as a matter of fact, it's against the law.

00:03:01.000 The Posse Comitatus statutes Uh, directly forbid that.

00:03:06.000 And what they did to get around that is they declared this a national security situation.

00:03:13.000 When you have a bunch of fundamentalist Christians down in rural Texas, and they call them national security problems, that was a phony reason just to involve Delta Force.

00:03:26.000 And it's, uh, you never want to mix The armed forces and law enforcement together anyway, because the armed forces are not trained for law enforcement. 0.69

00:03:35.000 The armed forces are trained, when you see a bad guy, to blow him up or kill him.

00:03:41.000 Armed forces are not trained to go halt federal officer and all that kind of business.

00:03:45.000 Nor should they be, because you train for what you do.

00:03:51.000 And it's against the law, and it's bad public policy, and all the rest of it.

00:03:57.000 I was just appalled at what went on down there.

00:03:59.000 And then Ruby Ridge, here they've got a sniper who boasts that he can put a bullet in a quarter at considerable range.

00:04:08.000 And he shoots a woman right in the head, and she's holding nothing more dangerous than her baby on her own front porch.

00:04:14.000 And then Bill Clinton, Solicitor General, two and a half years ago, in the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, argued that the federal officers have a license to kill, even when they're wrong, against innocent people.

00:04:25.000 That was in his brief.

00:04:28.000 You're a lawyer.

00:04:28.000 Does that sound constitutional to you?

00:04:30.000 No, it certainly does not.

00:04:32.000 Absolutely not.

00:04:33.000 And, you know, this whole business is getting way out of hand.

00:04:39.000 In the first place, those people weren't doing anything down there, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms ginned this whole thing up, notifying the press and everything else so that they would have something spectacular to watch, because they were coming up for their annual appropriations review in Congress, and they wanted to have something to demonstrate to Congress, you know, that they needed more money.

00:05:05.000 Again, folks, we're talking to G. Gordon Liddy.

00:05:13.000 No need to introduce him.

00:05:14.000 You must know who he is or you probably don't know much.

00:05:18.000 Joining us here today, Mr. Liddy, I saw you a few weeks ago.

00:05:22.000 We got a lot of calls about it.

00:05:24.000 You were on Fox News, one of the only people that had the will.

00:05:27.000 Uh, to truly stand up as a constitutionalist and point out that the Patriot Act, which I, by the way, have scanned through all 1,016 sections, is totally, uh, un-American.

00:05:37.000 And, uh, I just want to point out, at the same time, they leave our borders wide open, issue record numbers of visas to Islamic terrorist states and to Russia, but then tell us we need, uh, to accept the Patriot Act, the national ID card.

00:05:50.000 So, your take on the Patriot Act?

00:05:51.000 Uh, I think it's, uh, way out of line.

00:05:54.000 Uh, it is...

00:05:56.000 Completely against what the framework of our Constitution wanted, and it is something that I think is very dangerous to our civil liberties, and I'm wholly Totally and utterly opposed to any kind of internal passport, and that certainly is what it was they were looking for.

00:06:18.000 Now, you served, Richard Milhouse Nixon, of course, in his administration.

00:06:23.000 You're one of the few that didn't go along with the other little snitches. 1.00

00:06:30.000 But at the same time, looking at the Republican Party today, we see Jesse Helms getting replaced with Libby Dole, who said, yeah, go ahead and ban semi-automatic guns, period.

00:06:39.000 We look at this new type of Republican that votes for open borders, signs campaign finance reform, gives nuclear reactors to North Korea.

00:06:48.000 I've really looked at Bush, and other than his rhetoric, his actions seem to be a carbon copy of Bill Clinton.

00:06:54.000 Well, no, I certainly wouldn't think his actions are a carbon copy of Bill Clinton, especially Morally, and his sexual morality and everything else.

00:07:03.000 To be fair, the reason we've got up to 13 million illegal aliens, most of them from south of the border, milling around in the country with nobody doing anything about it, is the fault of both Republicans and Democrats.

00:07:20.000 Neither party wants to do anything about it for differing reasons.

00:07:23.000 The Democrats don't want to do anything about it because they want to grab all amnesty and register them as Democratic voters.

00:07:31.000 The Republicans don't want to do anything about it because they want cheap labor.

00:07:36.000 And the fact is that it's very bad for the country to have this going on and the INS is failing.

00:07:45.000 I want to talk about some of the key areas you hit in your book.

00:07:48.000 Obviously an excellent book.

00:07:48.000 I have a copy and I've read about half of it.

00:07:50.000 doing that which they are paid to do. Which is to identify these people, round them up, and ship them out.

00:07:56.000 I want to talk about some of the key areas you hit in your book. Obviously an excellent book. I have a copy and I've

00:08:00.000 read about half of it.

00:08:01.000 But getting back to Bush, because this is important. He's a big pacifier for conservatives to not stand up for the

00:08:08.000 Constitution.

00:08:09.000 Barbara Boxer says she'll vote to arm all the pilots, but Bush says no.

00:08:13.000 Now, I mean, how do you square that one, G. Gordon Liddy?

00:08:17.000 I don't.

00:08:17.000 I think that he's wrong on that issue, but my understanding of the situation is that if it gets through Congress, Bush will sign it.

00:08:27.000 I don't think he's going to take the political heat.

00:08:35.000 It'll get through Congress on large majorities.

00:08:39.000 He's not going to waste political capital on that.

00:08:42.000 People are pro-gun.

00:08:44.000 Politicians are winning all the elections pro-Second Amendment.

00:08:47.000 Why wouldn't Bush want to repeal a bunch of these unconstitutional gun laws?

00:08:51.000 I mean, if we could get a G. Gordon Letty behind calling for repeal of gun laws, we could probably get that done, sir. 0.89

00:08:57.000 Well, I certainly am for repeal.

00:09:01.000 My own view is that with the possible exception of prohibiting felons from having firearms, I don't think that there is a constitutional gun control law in the country.

00:09:17.000 The Second Amendment is very clear, and one of the problems that we have is that people Uh, are no longer educated in the English language.

00:09:26.000 They don't parse sentences in school anymore.

00:09:29.000 They don't diagram sentences and so forth.

00:09:32.000 If, uh, they did, which is what we used to do when I was a kid, you would know that the words, uh, the, uh, uh... A lot of the people who keep firearms shall not be in print.

00:09:44.000 No, no, no.

00:09:45.000 The first part.

00:09:46.000 The first part, which says that a, a, uh, well-regulated militia being necessary Uh, for the security of a free state.

00:09:53.000 That is simply a present participle.

00:09:56.000 It's a statement of fact.

00:09:58.000 And, uh, it's an adjective.

00:10:01.000 It in no way modifies the meaning of the second part, which is the right of the people to keep, uh, uh, uh, bear arms shall not be infringed.

00:10:09.000 And there's, and if you look at all the, uh, Founding Fathers statements about it, it was quite clear what they meant.

00:10:17.000 These people who are saying that the militia reference means the State or National Guard, obviously can't read either because if you look at Title 10 in the current U.S.

00:10:29.000 Code, which defines the militia, it's all able-bodied males, and now of course it would be all able-bodied people because of political correctness.

00:10:39.000 Between the ages of 17 and 45.

00:10:42.000 The last I heard, all people between 17 and 45 are not members of either the state or national guard.

00:10:49.000 Well, then they try to claim that professor up in Chicago is now getting kicked out of his college for saying the founding fathers were actually anti-gun.

00:10:57.000 The globalists and their minions just lie.

00:11:00.000 That's the problem.

00:11:01.000 You're speaking about a man named Belisles who wrote a book that said that, in effect, The Colonials had very few weapons, and the Frontiersmen had very few weapons, and he falsified his data, and was caught at it, and his college, where he had tenure, had three top scholars, I think one from Princeton, one from Harvard, one from Yale, form a committee to examine his work, and they found it

00:11:35.000 unsatisfactory uh... falsification and everything else and all that's why i

00:11:39.000 hired but he still hasn't had that big reward revolved

00:11:42.000 and saying that that the people of america and colonial american

00:11:46.000 work and staff with guns is like saying that sailing ships didn't have sails well they weren't

00:11:51.000 obsessed with guns a gun was a a a gun to those people

00:11:55.000 well you have to have an axe i mean you have to have a tool

00:11:58.000 It was a regular, ordinary, everyday tool.

00:12:01.000 They used them to hunt with.

00:12:03.000 They used them for security against marauders and Indians and the rest of it. 1.00

00:12:08.000 And, of course, the real reason for the Second Amendment was because we had just thrown off a tyrannical government, that of George III.

00:12:19.000 And the framers wanted the people to have the means, should the government become tyrannical again, to be able to throw it off again.

00:12:28.000 Alright, we're talking to G. Gordon Letty, best-selling author, syndicate of talk show hosts, obviously the leader of what we saw happen there at the Watergate Hotel.

00:12:38.000 Now, let's go back to the Patriot Act, because your book talks about that, and your book gets into the whole police state manipulation.

00:12:44.000 I've read the Patriot Act.

00:12:45.000 The whole thing has to do with taking our rights away, and it has nothing to do with protecting the American people.

00:12:53.000 How do we repeal the Patriot Act, or what is G. Gordon, what is G. Gordon Liddy calling for?

00:12:59.000 What's the course you want?

00:13:01.000 We've already gotten rid of part of it, if you'll recall.

00:13:05.000 The business about the internal passport, that got shot down in a hurry.

00:13:09.000 And we can shoot down the rest of it, but you've got to Notify the people, and that, Alex, is what you're doing, and what I'm doing is letting them know, look, here are the problems.

00:13:22.000 This is what that means.

00:13:24.000 It means the Fourth Amendment no longer is valid, because they can do things, you know, without probable cause, without going before a magistrate and all the rest.

00:13:35.000 It is simply arbitrary, unilateral power.

00:13:40.000 Uh, on the part of the federal government.

00:13:42.000 And the ironic thing is that the general police power that had resided in the crown of England when we were colonies did not, upon our achieving independence, devolve upon the federal government.

00:13:59.000 It devolved upon the several states.

00:14:02.000 And yet here's the federal government now, uh, asserting Well, Mr. Liddy, you're right that the provision making it the law that all states must have biometric national ID cards for the driver's license and ID cards is correct, but the Clinton signed an executive order

00:14:24.000 In 1997, saying that if states want their highway funds, they must implement it.

00:14:28.000 38 of the 50 states have implemented it.

00:14:30.000 The protectors have implemented it.

00:14:32.000 Now the other 12 are moving to implement it.

00:14:35.000 From Denver to Arlington, Texas, they're putting thumb scanners in to buy and sell, saying you've got to use this with credit cards and checks.

00:14:41.000 They're talking about doing it with cash.

00:14:44.000 What about this Big Brother surveillance state?

00:14:46.000 The satellite trackers in the cars.

00:14:48.000 Government policy boards saying they want to tax us with these systems.

00:14:51.000 Well, as far as I know, nobody's really doing anything with that.

00:14:53.000 well i don't have a program that was shot down to your recall well that army

00:14:57.000 said they were going to shoot it down but the thing in our team

00:15:00.000 but set up under another name known as secure court well not as far as i know nobody really doing anything

00:15:06.000 about it i don't think that they're getting anything but

00:15:09.000 uh... by way of separating out the american people don't like that sort of

00:15:12.000 thing and they don't participate There's no way they can really make them participate.

00:15:15.000 But what does that say about the mindset of the government, Democrat or Republican, that this is what they're pushing?

00:15:21.000 What it says is they do not trust the American people.

00:15:25.000 And that's one of the problems that we have with this elitism in this country.

00:15:30.000 You know, they go to the elite schools, and they believe that they know best for the American people.

00:15:37.000 For example, their attitude is, you Alex and I and the rest of us are not able to take good prudential judgments as to how we will spend our discretionary income.

00:15:53.000 So their solution to that non-problem is to take our discretionary income away from us via taxes.

00:16:03.000 And then spend it in a way that they consider to be good.

00:16:09.000 So more social... That's the whole attitude.

00:16:13.000 More social engineering.

00:16:14.000 We're talking to G. Gordon Liddy.

00:16:15.000 We're going to fire out his website and how to get the book, the new book.

00:16:18.000 Here it is in a second.

00:16:22.000 You were in prison for a couple years, for... Actually, about five.

00:16:26.000 Yes, for not ratting people out.

00:16:29.000 And now we have 7.5 million Americans, up from 6.3 last year, in the criminal justice system.

00:16:38.000 Now it's the biggest part of our economy.

00:16:39.000 Does that concern you, to see us turning into a giant prison state with more people in prison than China?

00:16:46.000 Well, I don't think that we have more people in prison than China. 0.99

00:16:49.000 I wouldn't trust the Chinese figures. 1.00

00:16:51.000 I think the Chinese Have huge numbers of people that they might not be in prison cells, but they're in prison camps. 0.96

00:16:58.000 Well, yeah, they're schools or labor camps, yes.

00:17:01.000 Yeah.

00:17:03.000 You know, we do have a crime problem in this country, and the only legitimate remedy for, you know, serious crime like bank robbery and rape and things like that is prison.

00:17:18.000 Well, they're letting those guys out.

00:17:20.000 The only thing I think that could lessen the crime problem is if just about every decent, law-abiding citizen was armed.

00:17:30.000 If you'll notice, those states which have concealed carry permits, the crime rate goes down drastically because of armed populists.

00:17:41.000 G. Gordon, let him do five more minutes.

00:17:42.000 I want to come back and plug the book.

00:17:44.000 Can you do that?

00:17:46.000 Uh, yes.

00:17:47.000 All right, thank you.

00:17:48.000 Stay right there.

00:17:49.000 We'll be back in three minutes to a couple more minutes.

00:17:51.000 On the other side, I do appreciate you joining us out of your busy schedule.

00:17:55.000 We'll talk more about his book when we get back.

00:17:56.000 Stay with me.

00:17:59.000 Hey folks, Alex Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

00:18:04.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:18:08.000 I know we're getting a lot of callers who want to talk to G. Gordon Liddy.

00:18:10.000 I'm sorry, we don't have time to do that today.

00:18:12.000 Maybe in the future we can get him back up for a little bit longer periods.

00:18:15.000 We have time to do that.

00:18:16.000 He has a new book out, G. Gordon Liddy.

00:18:19.000 When I was a kid, this was a free country.

00:18:22.000 When I was a kid, this was more of a free country.

00:18:25.000 And it seems like the Republicans are just Democrat lite.

00:18:30.000 And G. Gordon Liddy, I have to tell you, sir, right here in Austin, Texas, They treat us like criminals.

00:18:36.000 You have to have ID cards to walk down the road.

00:18:38.000 They arrest you for failure to ID.

00:18:40.000 Meanwhile, illegals, they won't even hardly arrest them or they release them. 1.00

00:18:44.000 Just like this Mohammed sniper guy had been in their custody and nothing had been done. 0.91

00:18:49.000 They ordered his release when he was committing felonies.

00:18:51.000 So you talk about packing the prisons full of criminals, they seem to release The evidence shows the violent offenders, while keeping the good, non-violent offenders in there, are building widgets for Wackenhut. 0.52

00:19:01.000 How do we stop this police state?

00:19:03.000 I mean, is it, like your book says, going back, like your book states, going back and showing what we had in the past in this country and relearning that Bill of Rights and Constitution?

00:19:14.000 Well, I think, you see, people don't miss what they never had.

00:19:19.000 What I'm trying to do is show them what it is that they have.

00:19:24.000 And how valuable it was, and that they should get it again.

00:19:28.000 But, you know, it's worse with respect to the snipers than you believe.

00:19:33.000 They stopped the snipers 11 times and released them 11 times.

00:19:40.000 Can you imagine that? 0.93

00:19:42.000 Well, they were looking for angry white guys. 0.97

00:19:43.000 That's right. 0.98

00:19:44.000 And so they figured, well, it can't possibly be a black guy, so they just let him go.

00:19:52.000 Where do you see America in 10 years?

00:19:55.000 Well, I think I see America a lot stronger astride the world.

00:20:02.000 I think because we are going to, within 10 years, knock out terrorism.

00:20:08.000 President Bush has said it will take 10 years, and I believe he's correct. 0.99

00:20:12.000 Because we've got to effect a regime change in every regime that supports terrorism.

00:20:19.000 And having done that, that will keep our military strong and up to speed and we're going to

00:20:28.000 be very powerful militarily.

00:20:30.000 Now, unless we can stop the salami tactics on our individual liberties, we are going 1.00

00:20:39.000 to continue year after year to become less and less free.

00:20:42.000 But Mr. Liddy, earlier you said violating positive commentators is wrong.

00:20:46.000 I've read the North Com report.

00:20:48.000 They plan to put hundreds of thousands of troops in our streets, at the stores, at the factories, on the roads while the border stays wide open.

00:20:55.000 I'm sure you've heard of the P-2-O-G now, that Rumsfeld's document.

00:20:59.000 Let me read from the document here.

00:21:01.000 P-2-O-G would launch secret operations aimed at stimulating reactions among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction. 0.99

00:21:09.000 We're talking about provocateuring here.

00:21:10.000 Our government created Saddam, created Bin Laden, did all this, and all I see him doing is destroying our Bill of Rights and Constitution. 0.91

00:21:17.000 Well, I think it's an overstatement to say that we created Saddam and created Bin Laden.

00:21:23.000 Certainly we supported uh... saddam in the uh... war against iraq against iran on

00:21:30.000 the general theory that the enemy of my enemy is my friend

00:21:35.000 plainly we supported the soviet union against adolf hitler i don't think we

00:21:39.000 created a problem lot at all i think uh... the problem of a lot

00:21:43.000 was created by or hobbits uh... all you mean the same all of our government radical

00:21:49.000 adhesives of the madrasas

00:21:51.000 i mean that the head of the uh... the the the saudis are certainly not our

00:21:56.000 friends they are enemies and uh... they have the school around here which are

00:22:01.000 preaching hatred of the west the people of the 0.71

00:22:05.000 Let me stop you, because we're about to end the show.

00:22:07.000 I just want to tell you, because I think you're a decent guy, that you're smart enough to know there is this global New World Order.

00:22:13.000 It's selling our sovereignty out.

00:22:16.000 And this war on terrorism is a war on the Bill of Rights.

00:22:18.000 And I hope you'll come out more against this system.

00:22:21.000 Well, I've been telling people for years, we've got to get the U.S.

00:22:25.000 out of the U.N.

00:22:26.000 and the U.N.

00:22:26.000 out of the U.S.

00:22:28.000 Alright, a five second question.

00:22:30.000 Who do you think Deep Throat was?

00:22:32.000 I don't think there really was an individual deep throat.

00:22:35.000 I think it's a composite of a number of lower-level informers.

00:22:39.000 All right.

00:22:39.000 G. Ward, Lennie, thanks for joining us.

00:22:40.000 Take care.

00:22:42.000 All right.

00:22:42.000 I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight Central Standard Time.

00:22:45.000 God bless you all.

Alex Jones Show - November 06, 2002

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