When I was a kid, this was a free country. We had all these freedoms that have been taken away from us one by one, always in the interest of some good reason. And the young people don t miss what they never had. And I wanted to show them what it was like when we were really free.
00:00:53.000Well, you know, the reason that I wrote the book is because of the remarkable difference in the way this country was when I was a kid.
00:01:05.000We had all these freedoms that have been taken away from us one by one, salami tactic, always in the interest of some You know, good reason, quote-unquote.
00:01:18.000And the young people don't miss what they never had.
00:01:23.000And I wanted to show them what it was like when we were really free.
00:01:28.000And to get them stirred up enough, I'm hoping, that they will stop this constant erosion of our liberties.
00:01:38.000Now, G. Gordon Liddy, I mean certainly you are famous for Watergate and you've got a very popular in the top five nationally syndicated radio show and you've written another best-selling book.
00:01:52.000I was always pleased that you have the courage that all these other phony neocon conservative big talk show hosts don't have to criticize the BATF and for incidents like Ruby Ridge and Waco.
00:02:05.000Why does that concern G. Gordon Liddy?
00:02:08.000Well, because it is a huge abuse of government power.
00:02:13.000Now remember, I served in the FBI, and I was very proud to serve in the FBI.
00:02:17.000And back in the days of the late, great J. Edgar Hoover, we never did anything like that.
00:02:23.000We did not, first of all, have a, quote, hostage rescue team, end quote.
00:02:35.000Uh, whose idea of, uh, how to rescue someone is to burn them, you know, alive.
00:02:40.000Well, I read the Delta Force memo that came out in Congress.
00:02:43.000They didn't want to go on the mission.
00:02:45.000They said that, uh, this is, you know, not an arrest situation.
00:02:48.000We're being sent in to take them out, and they went ahead and ordered them in as well.
00:02:52.000Is that a good precedent to have Delta Force Army Special Operations under FBI operating domestically against the American people?
00:02:59.000No, as a matter of fact, it's against the law.
00:03:01.000The Posse Comitatus statutes Uh, directly forbid that.
00:03:06.000And what they did to get around that is they declared this a national security situation.
00:03:13.000When you have a bunch of fundamentalist Christians down in rural Texas, and they call them national security problems, that was a phony reason just to involve Delta Force.
00:03:26.000And it's, uh, you never want to mix The armed forces and law enforcement together anyway, because the armed forces are not trained for law enforcement.
00:03:35.000The armed forces are trained, when you see a bad guy, to blow him up or kill him.
00:03:41.000Armed forces are not trained to go halt federal officer and all that kind of business.
00:03:45.000Nor should they be, because you train for what you do.
00:03:51.000And it's against the law, and it's bad public policy, and all the rest of it.
00:03:57.000I was just appalled at what went on down there.
00:03:59.000And then Ruby Ridge, here they've got a sniper who boasts that he can put a bullet in a quarter at considerable range.
00:04:08.000And he shoots a woman right in the head, and she's holding nothing more dangerous than her baby on her own front porch.
00:04:14.000And then Bill Clinton, Solicitor General, two and a half years ago, in the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, argued that the federal officers have a license to kill, even when they're wrong, against innocent people.
00:04:33.000And, you know, this whole business is getting way out of hand.
00:04:39.000In the first place, those people weren't doing anything down there, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms ginned this whole thing up, notifying the press and everything else so that they would have something spectacular to watch, because they were coming up for their annual appropriations review in Congress, and they wanted to have something to demonstrate to Congress, you know, that they needed more money.
00:05:05.000Again, folks, we're talking to G. Gordon Liddy.
00:05:24.000You were on Fox News, one of the only people that had the will.
00:05:27.000Uh, to truly stand up as a constitutionalist and point out that the Patriot Act, which I, by the way, have scanned through all 1,016 sections, is totally, uh, un-American.
00:05:37.000And, uh, I just want to point out, at the same time, they leave our borders wide open, issue record numbers of visas to Islamic terrorist states and to Russia, but then tell us we need, uh, to accept the Patriot Act, the national ID card.
00:05:56.000Completely against what the framework of our Constitution wanted, and it is something that I think is very dangerous to our civil liberties, and I'm wholly Totally and utterly opposed to any kind of internal passport, and that certainly is what it was they were looking for.
00:06:18.000Now, you served, Richard Milhouse Nixon, of course, in his administration.
00:06:23.000You're one of the few that didn't go along with the other little snitches.
00:06:30.000But at the same time, looking at the Republican Party today, we see Jesse Helms getting replaced with Libby Dole, who said, yeah, go ahead and ban semi-automatic guns, period.
00:06:39.000We look at this new type of Republican that votes for open borders, signs campaign finance reform, gives nuclear reactors to North Korea.
00:06:48.000I've really looked at Bush, and other than his rhetoric, his actions seem to be a carbon copy of Bill Clinton.
00:06:54.000Well, no, I certainly wouldn't think his actions are a carbon copy of Bill Clinton, especially Morally, and his sexual morality and everything else.
00:07:03.000To be fair, the reason we've got up to 13 million illegal aliens, most of them from south of the border, milling around in the country with nobody doing anything about it, is the fault of both Republicans and Democrats.
00:07:20.000Neither party wants to do anything about it for differing reasons.
00:07:23.000The Democrats don't want to do anything about it because they want to grab all amnesty and register them as Democratic voters.
00:07:31.000The Republicans don't want to do anything about it because they want cheap labor.
00:07:36.000And the fact is that it's very bad for the country to have this going on and the INS is failing.
00:07:45.000I want to talk about some of the key areas you hit in your book.
00:09:01.000My own view is that with the possible exception of prohibiting felons from having firearms, I don't think that there is a constitutional gun control law in the country.
00:09:17.000The Second Amendment is very clear, and one of the problems that we have is that people Uh, are no longer educated in the English language.
00:09:26.000They don't parse sentences in school anymore.
00:09:29.000They don't diagram sentences and so forth.
00:09:32.000If, uh, they did, which is what we used to do when I was a kid, you would know that the words, uh, the, uh, uh... A lot of the people who keep firearms shall not be in print.
00:10:01.000It in no way modifies the meaning of the second part, which is the right of the people to keep, uh, uh, uh, bear arms shall not be infringed.
00:10:09.000And there's, and if you look at all the, uh, Founding Fathers statements about it, it was quite clear what they meant.
00:10:17.000These people who are saying that the militia reference means the State or National Guard, obviously can't read either because if you look at Title 10 in the current U.S.
00:10:29.000Code, which defines the militia, it's all able-bodied males, and now of course it would be all able-bodied people because of political correctness.
00:10:42.000The last I heard, all people between 17 and 45 are not members of either the state or national guard.
00:10:49.000Well, then they try to claim that professor up in Chicago is now getting kicked out of his college for saying the founding fathers were actually anti-gun.
00:10:57.000The globalists and their minions just lie.
00:11:01.000You're speaking about a man named Belisles who wrote a book that said that, in effect, The Colonials had very few weapons, and the Frontiersmen had very few weapons, and he falsified his data, and was caught at it, and his college, where he had tenure, had three top scholars, I think one from Princeton, one from Harvard, one from Yale, form a committee to examine his work, and they found it
00:11:35.000unsatisfactory uh... falsification and everything else and all that's why i
00:11:39.000hired but he still hasn't had that big reward revolved
00:11:42.000and saying that that the people of america and colonial american
00:11:46.000work and staff with guns is like saying that sailing ships didn't have sails well they weren't
00:11:51.000obsessed with guns a gun was a a a gun to those people
00:11:55.000well you have to have an axe i mean you have to have a tool
00:11:58.000It was a regular, ordinary, everyday tool.
00:12:03.000They used them for security against marauders and Indians and the rest of it.
00:12:08.000And, of course, the real reason for the Second Amendment was because we had just thrown off a tyrannical government, that of George III.
00:12:19.000And the framers wanted the people to have the means, should the government become tyrannical again, to be able to throw it off again.
00:12:28.000Alright, we're talking to G. Gordon Letty, best-selling author, syndicate of talk show hosts, obviously the leader of what we saw happen there at the Watergate Hotel.
00:12:38.000Now, let's go back to the Patriot Act, because your book talks about that, and your book gets into the whole police state manipulation.
00:13:01.000We've already gotten rid of part of it, if you'll recall.
00:13:05.000The business about the internal passport, that got shot down in a hurry.
00:13:09.000And we can shoot down the rest of it, but you've got to Notify the people, and that, Alex, is what you're doing, and what I'm doing is letting them know, look, here are the problems.
00:13:24.000It means the Fourth Amendment no longer is valid, because they can do things, you know, without probable cause, without going before a magistrate and all the rest.
00:13:35.000It is simply arbitrary, unilateral power.
00:13:40.000Uh, on the part of the federal government.
00:13:42.000And the ironic thing is that the general police power that had resided in the crown of England when we were colonies did not, upon our achieving independence, devolve upon the federal government.
00:14:02.000And yet here's the federal government now, uh, asserting Well, Mr. Liddy, you're right that the provision making it the law that all states must have biometric national ID cards for the driver's license and ID cards is correct, but the Clinton signed an executive order
00:14:24.000In 1997, saying that if states want their highway funds, they must implement it.
00:14:28.00038 of the 50 states have implemented it.
00:14:32.000Now the other 12 are moving to implement it.
00:14:35.000From Denver to Arlington, Texas, they're putting thumb scanners in to buy and sell, saying you've got to use this with credit cards and checks.
00:14:41.000They're talking about doing it with cash.
00:14:44.000What about this Big Brother surveillance state?
00:14:48.000Government policy boards saying they want to tax us with these systems.
00:14:51.000Well, as far as I know, nobody's really doing anything with that.
00:14:53.000well i don't have a program that was shot down to your recall well that army
00:14:57.000said they were going to shoot it down but the thing in our team
00:15:00.000but set up under another name known as secure court well not as far as i know nobody really doing anything
00:15:06.000about it i don't think that they're getting anything but
00:15:09.000uh... by way of separating out the american people don't like that sort of
00:15:12.000thing and they don't participate There's no way they can really make them participate.
00:15:15.000But what does that say about the mindset of the government, Democrat or Republican, that this is what they're pushing?
00:15:21.000What it says is they do not trust the American people.
00:15:25.000And that's one of the problems that we have with this elitism in this country.
00:15:30.000You know, they go to the elite schools, and they believe that they know best for the American people.
00:15:37.000For example, their attitude is, you Alex and I and the rest of us are not able to take good prudential judgments as to how we will spend our discretionary income.
00:15:53.000So their solution to that non-problem is to take our discretionary income away from us via taxes.
00:16:03.000And then spend it in a way that they consider to be good.
00:16:09.000So more social... That's the whole attitude.
00:17:03.000You know, we do have a crime problem in this country, and the only legitimate remedy for, you know, serious crime like bank robbery and rape and things like that is prison.
00:18:40.000Meanwhile, illegals, they won't even hardly arrest them or they release them.
00:18:44.000Just like this Mohammed sniper guy had been in their custody and nothing had been done.
00:18:49.000They ordered his release when he was committing felonies.
00:18:51.000So you talk about packing the prisons full of criminals, they seem to release The evidence shows the violent offenders, while keeping the good, non-violent offenders in there, are building widgets for Wackenhut.
00:19:03.000I mean, is it, like your book says, going back, like your book states, going back and showing what we had in the past in this country and relearning that Bill of Rights and Constitution?
00:19:14.000Well, I think, you see, people don't miss what they never had.
00:19:19.000What I'm trying to do is show them what it is that they have.
00:19:24.000And how valuable it was, and that they should get it again.
00:19:28.000But, you know, it's worse with respect to the snipers than you believe.
00:19:33.000They stopped the snipers 11 times and released them 11 times.
00:20:48.000They plan to put hundreds of thousands of troops in our streets, at the stores, at the factories, on the roads while the border stays wide open.
00:20:55.000I'm sure you've heard of the P-2-O-G now, that Rumsfeld's document.