Alex Jones Show - 20021126_McCullag_Alex

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00:00:10.000 All right, your calls are coming up.

00:00:11.000 Barney and Stan and Fred and Craig and many, many others here momentarily.

00:00:15.000 In this quick segment, we've got Declan McCullough, award-winning journalist and chief political correspondent for CNET News.

00:00:23.000 He also writes for Wired and does a lot of work on international law going on with the Internet.

00:00:31.000 We know with the Total Information Awareness Network and Poindexter and the rest of it, that it's total military occupation.

00:00:38.000 They wanted to add a internet tracker number to everything you do on the web, and you'd have to use a virtual browser that we offer at infohorse.net once you want them tracking everything you do.

00:00:48.000 This is total Fourth Amendment violations they're talking about in the tens of billions a week.

00:00:53.000 Declan, good to have you on the show, sir.

00:00:55.000 Hi there.

00:00:56.000 Thank you for the invitation.

00:00:58.000 So, what in the New World Order is really going on, Declan?

00:01:02.000 Well, well put.

00:01:04.000 It's a little unclear.

00:01:06.000 I mean, the problem is that a lot of these are proposals in progress, and you've got these work in papers, all these PowerPoint presentations, and you're trying to figure out what the government actually means.

00:01:19.000 But what we do know, and this is largely due to the reporting of the New York Times, there was a plan to tag internet users out with the unique identifier so that the

00:01:36.000 clear email and web browsing would have these unique identifiers

00:01:40.000 and if you were trying to go to a secure area of the internet and you did not

00:01:45.000 have the identifier but they are coming from a country that didn't allow that didn't require or have this

00:01:51.000 then you would not be allowed in and that's what the european union has been

00:01:55.000 asking for is a way to block their public from australia to england from our websites

00:02:01.000 yeah i don't know what the europeans are at the separate but the little wacky

00:02:06.000 But the broad theme here is that this is coming out of DARPA, a defense department agency, and another defense department project that's also coming out of DARPA is one that is headed by John Poindexter, the retired admiral who got into trouble over Iran-Contra.

00:02:29.000 Uh, then you have the Department of Homeland Security bill signed into law by President Bush less than an hour ago that makes it easier for police to spy on internet traffic and telephone conversations without a court order first.

00:02:44.000 It allows Internet providers like AOL or corporations or universities or what have you to turn over confidential information about subscribers.

00:02:54.000 Well that's a hallmark of Homeland Security is actually paying big Fortune 500 companies to be spies for the government then not letting corporate employees blow the whistle on that.

00:03:07.000 Well put.

00:03:08.000 So what you have, the Poindexter program, the tagging Internet users suggestion, the Department of Homeland Security, now law, all this is coming together in sort of a perfect storm to limit Americans' privacy and increase government It's exactly the wrong direction.

00:03:34.000 So they're burrowing in even deeper, secretly, giving themselves more power, taking our rights, while leaving the north and southern borders wide open.

00:03:44.000 Yes.

00:03:45.000 What we should be doing is going the other direction.

00:03:48.000 We should be protecting privacy while trying to prevent terrorism, but increasing our ability to conduct oversight of government.

00:03:58.000 I mean, we know that some government people, bureaucrats, Agencies are perfectly honorable and accountable, but you can't trust all of them.

00:04:08.000 And so that's why you need open government laws and that kind of thing, which is what the Bush administration is trying to shield against, and the Department of Homeland Security specifically disallows.

00:04:21.000 Now they'll say, we're not going to do the TIPS program now, but go ahead and ram forward with it.

00:04:26.000 Certainly this internet tagging thing isn't dead.

00:04:28.000 We know Echelon's already been doing this for decades.

00:04:30.000 Now they're just going public with this plan, aren't they?

00:04:33.000 They are, but it wasn't because they wanted to.

00:04:38.000 They didn't choose to say, hey, here's our plan, hold a press conference, or maybe another way would have been to brief Congress and say this is what kind of scheme we're concocting.

00:04:49.000 That at least would have had the veneer of some sort of public oversight.

00:04:53.000 What happens is that reporters get a hold of these documents uh... or on and then they could they could they

00:04:59.000 get leaked out in the press and this is not a way to run a government if you

00:05:02.000 want to find every american

00:05:04.000 at least have the balls to get out there and say this is what we're doing that don't don't try to 0.92

00:05:09.000 hide it behind closed doors and when they found out 0.96

00:05:12.000 they all that we never meant to do that i mean that's just sneaky and wrong

00:05:16.000 well mccollough you're right you're the chief of washington bureau chief of

00:05:19.000 wired news also political correspondent chief political correspondent for cnet

00:05:25.000 news.com.

00:05:27.000 I really do appreciate you joining us, and can we have you back up as this thing develops?

00:05:32.000 I would love to do it.

00:05:33.000 Fire off those websites real quick for us.

00:05:36.000 On news.com, also politechbot.com, that's P-O-L-I-T-E-C-H-B-O-T.com.

00:05:43.000 We've got links to that on InfoWars.com.

00:05:45.000 Thanks.

00:05:46.000 Your calls are coming up.

Alex Jones Show - November 26, 2002

20021126_McCullag_Alex

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