Alex Jones Show - 20030103_Watmore_Alex

00:00:00.000 I read a chilling news article on air that a lot of people couldn't believe, but we link directly on InfoWars.com to the Times of London and other news reports.

00:00:09.000 Channel 4 will show performance artists eating baby.

00:00:12.000 Now, the Bohemian Grove footage I shot was used on Channel 4, our production, and Channel 4 has been accused of sensationalism over a decision to broadcast a program that will show a performance artist eating the flesh of a dead baby.

00:00:25.000 It shows the Chinese artist, as they call him, the degenerate, And washing the newborn dead baby and then eating it. 1.00

00:00:33.000 And this is to be aired tonight in the United Kingdom.

00:00:38.000 I guess on some satellite channels around the world.

00:00:40.000 No wonder some of these foreign countries hate the West so much now, giving the image that the West would show something like this. 0.89

00:00:46.000 We know this has been going on in the East for a long time, but do we have to go to the level of total barbarism where there's no value on human life?

00:00:56.000 It's just amazing.

00:00:57.000 We're joined right now Uh, by John Milton Whitmore, chairman of Media Watch, and we have a link to their fine organization on InfoWars.com.

00:01:08.000 He's saying the artist is being controversial.

00:01:10.000 For controversy's sake, not for art.

00:01:12.000 It is also typical of Channel 4 to try to be sensationalist.

00:01:15.000 I would say much more than sensationalist.

00:01:17.000 This, uh, should be criminal.

00:01:19.000 It's totally obscene and just totally evil.

00:01:23.000 And doctors in the U.S., and I believe in the U.K., you have a special license just to own a skull.

00:01:28.000 My father is a oral surgeon and teaches at Baylor University, a medical school, and he has to have a special license to own a skull.

00:01:37.000 But this guy can sit around eating babies!

00:01:39.000 I think this is the angle we need to attack this from.

00:01:42.000 Thank you for joining me, John Milton.

00:01:43.000 Now, what more?

00:01:45.000 Good morning to you, Alex.

00:01:46.000 Thank you.

00:01:46.000 I don't know why you've got me on the show.

00:01:47.000 You made a very good case out of yourself there.

00:01:50.000 Well, you're there.

00:01:53.000 This is airing in just a few hours.

00:01:56.000 You're trying to block it, admirably so.

00:01:59.000 Tell us about your organization and when you first learned of this horror.

00:02:04.000 Well, Media Watch has been in operation over here, Alex, since 1964.

00:02:10.000 And it was inaugurated by the late Mary Whitehouse, CBE.

00:02:16.000 She died last year.

00:02:17.000 And for many years now, we've been fighting any organization in the media, whether it be the written word or radio or television or what, and latterly the internet as well, who are Attempting to put out material for general consumption that we feel is morally indefensible, that lacks taste and decency.

00:02:42.000 And we have a small but dedicated team that goes about this work, and I'm the chairman of the organization, and I'm an ex-television producer, so I know the area very well.

00:02:55.000 When we heard about this particular Outrage.

00:03:00.000 In fact, Channel 4 have kept it very close to their chest, and I heard it, first of all, when one or two of my friends in the press phoned me up.

00:03:11.000 As outraged and as surprised as you are... By the way, we gave Channel 4, we've been calling them since this weekend, they will not return our calls, they do not want to come on.

00:03:22.000 So we gave them a chance to give their side.

00:03:25.000 Well, perhaps I ought to tell your listeners a little bit about the television set-up over here.

00:03:30.000 Being a much smaller country than the United States, we mainly have a very few national broadcasters, of course.

00:03:38.000 Everyone will have heard of the BBC, and the independent television company, ITV, which is the commercial arm of television over here.

00:03:47.000 They've got one or two channels, and luckily, Digital has come on stream, they've got several more as well.

00:03:52.000 Channel 4 was They were put into operation 20 odd years ago, so they're quite the baby of the group.

00:03:59.000 It's important for your listeners, Alex, to know that Channel 4 was set up deliberately to make programs for minority audiences, and they've succeeded admirably.

00:04:13.000 If Channel 4 were a little more successful at making If they were a little less consistent with making successful programs for minority audiences, we could just ignore them and go away. 0.98

00:04:29.000 But unfortunately, they make either very good programs or absolutely atrocious programs, and this clearly falls into the absolutely atrocious.

00:04:39.000 Also, I've seen a lot of British writers point out that they do some serious issues and they mix it in with a bunch of trash, thus Destroying the legitimacy of other programs.

00:04:53.000 So it's almost being used to discredit a lot of different things now.

00:04:58.000 Details of this baby eating, according to the Times of London, it's scheduled to air tonight.

00:05:03.000 Do you know what time?

00:05:05.000 Yes, I haven't seen the program.

00:05:07.000 I ought to state that up front.

00:05:10.000 I haven't actually seen the program.

00:05:12.000 It is due to go out UK time at five past eleven in the evening this evening.

00:05:18.000 And it lasts about an hour.

00:05:20.000 So that's in about four or five hours?

00:05:23.000 Absolutely, yeah.

00:05:24.000 And it's very unlikely at this stage that it will be pulled from the screen.

00:05:29.000 Channel 4 are enjoying the notoriety of the publicity they're getting at the moment, and I have a feeling because of it, they'll be more than viewers listening in and looking in than perhaps would have been otherwise.

00:05:42.000 Well, that's obviously one of the reasons they're doing this now.

00:05:47.000 Channel 4 did talk to the Times of London and they admit that it shows the stills of this Chinese so-called artist washing a newborn stillborn baby and then eating it and then getting sick from eating it.

00:06:04.000 Can you give us any details of what Channel 4 has said or what other press reports are saying about the details of this crudely wicked production?

00:06:16.000 Curiously enough, as I say, wallowing in the publicity they're getting on this particular one issue, the program itself is about art culture in general in China, and I suspect that this particular piece in the program will only take up three or four minutes of an hour-long program.

00:06:39.000 The program isn't about the artist concerned, it's just touching on some of his work.

00:06:44.000 And it's interesting to note, and I'm not speaking to justify this at all, but just again so we have a bit more background information, the artist has gone on record as saying that his work, questionable though you may think it be, is attempting to fall between what is legal, just about, and what is morally indefensible.

00:07:12.000 We've had serial killers that kidnap women and gut them and then say it was an art performance.

00:07:19.000 It says Zoo, the degenerate who's doing this, who claims to be a Christian, says his group has a major impact on his art. 0.53

00:07:25.000 Jesus is always related to blood, death, and wounds, and this is a reflection of my art. 0.96

00:07:32.000 This person needs to be in a mental institution, in my opinion.

00:07:36.000 I'm inclined to agree with you, and I too am a Christian, and I'm deeply offended By him drawing lines parallel with the Christian faith.

00:07:46.000 Well, how can they arrest the former BBC host of A Man and His Dog, Robin Clark?

00:07:54.000 How can they arrest him for saying farmers deserve the same rights as other minority groups? 1.00

00:08:00.000 Blacks, Muslims and gays, homosexuals. 1.00

00:08:02.000 And then he gets arrested, but then this guy can go on TV and eat babies. 1.00

00:08:06.000 I mean, this is insane.

00:08:08.000 It is.

00:08:09.000 I agree.

00:08:10.000 Of course, we don't have any jurisdiction over the artist.

00:08:14.000 He's in China.

00:08:15.000 But Channel 4 is airing this and propagating this crash.

00:08:20.000 Well, I agree with you, and we're doing all we can.

00:08:22.000 I've had numerous calls this week from around the world to talk about this, and we have inquired of all our membership, and they're going to write to the Broadcasting Standards Commission about this.

00:08:34.000 Channel 4 have already had an avalanche of phone calls and letters From people associated with us about the impending program, they will get a lot more when it's come out as well.

00:08:44.000 But it's curious, you know, that over here we do have in the UK a very far too liberal attitude about these things.

00:08:53.000 We've had our own artist, Tracy Ermin, with her Unmade Bed, winning an award.

00:08:59.000 Damien Hirst, Preserving a sheep in formaldehyde winning award.

00:09:03.000 The pile of bricks that won an award a few years ago at the Tate.

00:09:07.000 We do have a rather sad record as far as I'm concerned.

00:09:10.000 Look, I mean here we've got people going in and smearing elephant dung on Christian icons and pictures of You know, $200,000, the government buys a picture of a crucifix and a glass of urine.

00:09:25.000 But that all pales in significance to eating a baby.

00:09:29.000 Also, I take it from the article here in the Times of London, you may be able to correct this, that this was shot in China.

00:09:37.000 And in China, we know they have forced abortion and infanticide. 0.93

00:09:41.000 We know that you can buy baby parts in health food stores.

00:09:44.000 Um, so, I mean, obviously it's, it was done in China where this is legal, but at the same time, do we know the history of this newborn dead baby?

00:09:55.000 We don't at the moment, and you quite rightly point out, Alex, that this did happen in China, has been filmed in China, and has been bought by Channel 4 to transmit here.

00:10:05.000 One couldn't do this in the UK.

00:10:07.000 One would be locked up.

00:10:08.000 But apparently one can buy material and show it for public service consumption and not be locked up.

00:10:14.000 They don't have laws in China, but I guess there's no law on having body parts and eating them there. 0.75

00:10:20.000 Well, apparently not.

00:10:24.000 Well, here in the U.S.

00:10:25.000 you can't even own body parts now, the middle law in the 60s, unless you're a doctor, or in medical teaching, or a student.

00:10:32.000 Do you have a law on that in England?

00:10:34.000 Well, can I just say that I have been to China some 16 or 17 times, and I'm fairly well acquainted with the country and its people in certain areas.

00:10:45.000 It's such a vast country, of course.

00:10:47.000 And there is no doubt, Alex, that there is a deep divide in the cultural attitude of the people of China, as opposed to the people of the West.

00:10:58.000 And I'm not defending this at all, but clearly when you go to foreign countries, they behave in different ways.

00:11:03.000 They have different rules and regs, and they operate their lives in different ways.

00:11:08.000 Even the divide between Americans and UK across the pond.

00:11:12.000 It differs, as you know, to a fair degree as well.

00:11:15.000 Well, the Chinese ambassador is, or the undersecretary, is very upset about this.

00:11:22.000 At least the Chinese, who have a much lower view of life culturally, at least in the past, at least the communist Chinese don't want to have this on television. 0.90

00:11:31.000 At least they know you're supposed to hide this type of stuff.

00:11:34.000 You don't splatter it all over national television.

00:11:36.000 There were two things on that.

00:11:38.000 We have to keep this in proportion, Alex.

00:11:41.000 This guy is one of very, very few that is conducting his art in such a controversial way.

00:11:48.000 I'm with you 120% on the fact that it's outrageous and morally indefensible.

00:11:55.000 But we have to put that in perspective.

00:11:58.000 For every one guy that's doing this, there's a million that are doing something else which we can actually relate to.

00:12:03.000 As for the second thing, as for putting it on television, that is, I believe, indefensible.

00:12:08.000 And our organization has been rattling up every single address and telephone number that we can think of this last week.

00:12:15.000 Well, here's the problem.

00:12:16.000 Where does it go next?

00:12:17.000 How much further down the toilet bowl do we have to go here?

00:12:22.000 I mean, how much worse can it get now?

00:12:25.000 I mean, they're always trying to push the boundaries here.

00:12:28.000 Sure, they are.

00:12:30.000 And with Channel 4, they are actually pushing them further and further back, and it's very demoralising.

00:12:35.000 Even the BBC, though, I have to say, over the Christmas period over here, on the 22nd of December, put out a documentary which was blasphemous, in my view, as a Christian, and I was offended by it, questioning the virgin birth of Mary.

00:12:52.000 So it doesn't just stop with Channel 4.

00:12:54.000 We've got quite a fight on our hands over here, actually, Alex.

00:12:57.000 So they're trying to destroy any...

00:13:00.000 basis, any foundation of the society in the West.

00:13:05.000 This is obviously a tool of social control to push the agenda, to change our worldview so we're more easily suggestible, according to the government psychiatrist I've seen that have written about this.

00:13:15.000 This is part of a larger plan.

00:13:17.000 We've been talking to John Milton Watmore, chairman of Media Watch, and you can link through at InfoWars.com to their fine site to learn more about what they're doing and what they're putting up with over there.

00:13:29.000 Television here has turned into just a bunch of trash, and they're always pushing the boundaries, and I just can't see how much further it's going to go, but obviously, it's got to sink further.

00:13:38.000 Are you starting to see a grassroots backlash against this?

00:13:42.000 Well, I wish I could report that we could, but in actual fact, we have completely restructured our organization over the last three or four years.

00:13:51.000 We used to be known as the National Viewers and Listeners Association.

00:13:54.000 And we rebranded a few years ago, called ourselves Media Watch, and we're trying to repackage all of the things which we believe are wholesome, and part of a wholesome society with regard to the media, so that younger people can relate to it.

00:14:07.000 And we have an active campaign with colleges, schools and universities, and in fact we're putting together at the moment an award scheme for universities that we're going to distribute once a year on the basis of films that they can make, which we think would be worth it.

00:14:22.000 But it's a very, very hard job and I wish I could report that the position is getting better quickly, but it's not.

00:14:30.000 And I think I agree with you, it'll probably get worse before it gets better.

00:14:34.000 Well, will it ever get better or will one day will we be obscene because we like mom and apple pie and football games?

00:14:43.000 Will people that just want decency, will we be labeled, I guess like Sodom and Gomorrah or something, as the bad people, the extremists?

00:14:53.000 Because I've seen reactions in this country to wholesome things as if they are obscene.

00:14:58.000 It seems like the world is now upside down.

00:15:01.000 I think it's in fashion and in vogue at the moment to take the pillars and the foundations away from any establishment and certainly the Christian religion in the UK gets a bit of a battering.

00:15:13.000 We just had a new appointment with an Archbishop of Canterbury and he's quite a controversial chap.

00:15:19.000 He's a top druid, a high priest, as reported by your papers, did the whole ritual up there.

00:15:27.000 Well, the church over here is very traditional and is slow to change.

00:15:32.000 The free churches probably have a freer reign, literally, to change more quickly.

00:15:37.000 In one sense, it's its own enemy, I think.

00:15:41.000 It's the best enemy sometimes, the church, because it doesn't actually relate very quickly to things like this.

00:15:46.000 But certainly, Christians Over here, I get a bad time from the media on average.

00:15:53.000 Oh, I've seen it. 0.98

00:15:54.000 Totally ridiculed, but some sex slaughtering goats in the street is totally protected.

00:16:02.000 John Milton-Watmore, Chairman of Media Watch, what's your website real quick if folks want to go directly to it?

00:16:08.000 Our website is www.info.netco.

00:16:19.000 All right.

00:16:19.000 We've got a link to it on Infowars.com.

00:16:21.000 So this show, it looks like it's going to go ahead in about four or five hours and air on national British television.

00:16:27.000 Yes, indeed.

00:16:28.000 And we're expecting a bit of fallout afterwards.

00:16:31.000 Well, there should be, and we shouldn't let them continue to push the lines.

00:16:34.000 Thank you for joining us and taking some time out, John.

00:16:37.000 My pleasure.

00:16:38.000 Take care.

00:16:39.000 Now there goes John Milton Watmore from the United Kingdom.

00:16:42.000 We'll come back and talk to David and Daryl and many others if you'd like to join us on air.

00:16:48.000 Our next guest has been joining us for about 40 minutes.

00:16:51.000 Joining us in the middle of the next hour.

00:16:55.000 1-800-259-9231 Don't forget, the American Psychological Association said pedophilia is good. 0.99

00:17:02.000 They're trying to train you to be degenerate scumballs. 1.00

Alex Jones Show - January 03, 2003

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