Alex Jones Show - 20030114_Nitschke_Alex

00:00:00.000 ...or something else and just so busy with his machine that he was unable to join us.

00:00:05.000 But we now have the doctor, Dr. Philip Nietzsche, if I'm pronouncing that right, hailing from Australia here in the United States.

00:00:16.000 Doctor, good to have you on the show today.

00:00:19.000 Yes, good morning.

00:00:22.000 Where are you in the United States right now?

00:00:24.000 I'm in San Diego.

00:00:25.000 I came here from Australia to talk to the conference of the Hemlock Society of America and that conference ended yesterday.

00:00:32.000 I spoke to the conference yesterday and now I've got a few days in the U.S.

00:00:36.000 before heading back to Australia.

00:00:37.000 Were you able to reconfigure your suicide machine?

00:00:41.000 No, not before the conference.

00:00:43.000 I mean, it just simply didn't have the time after the customs department in Australia took it from me at Sydney Airport.

00:00:49.000 So, we've been building one since that time.

00:00:52.000 We're just about finished the device.

00:00:55.000 No, but it wasn't available to give anyone a look at yesterday.

00:01:00.000 Well, I would think that a bottle of carbon monoxide and a gas mask with a feeder tube to it would be sufficient.

00:01:07.000 I'm a little worried about your design here saying it's just in the nostrils because somebody will open their mouth and then you might just brain damage them.

00:01:14.000 No, well, there's a few issues here.

00:01:16.000 I mean, it's very hard to get hold of cylinders of carbon monoxide.

00:01:19.000 They're difficult to obtain for a assortment of reasons.

00:01:22.000 So the generator actually makes the gas.

00:01:25.000 It is true that we have it delivered through, as you say, a nasal tube, as opposed to a face mask.

00:01:31.000 But, I mean, two or three breaths of pure carbon monoxide delivered this way causes the death of a patient.

00:01:37.000 So, it's not as if it's easily dislodged, and it's not as if one is likely to, in some way, during some protracted process, dislodge the tube.

00:01:48.000 What about just a cooler full of dry ice in a contained room?

00:01:52.000 That'll do the job.

00:01:54.000 Dry ice, but that's carbon dioxide.

00:01:57.000 We're talking carbon monoxide here.

00:02:02.000 The dry ice will kill you too.

00:02:04.000 Well, carbon dioxide is a dreadful death.

00:02:06.000 It's quite a different death from carbon monoxide.

00:02:08.000 I guess the physiology is quite different here.

00:02:12.000 Now, we know that in Europe they've been legalizing euthanasia.

00:02:18.000 Doctor, what made you get into this line of work?

00:02:21.000 Well, I was in the Northern Territory of Australia when the world's first law was passed.

00:02:26.000 It only lasted eight months before the Australian Federal Government overturned it.

00:02:30.000 But in that time, I was involved in getting the legislation passed and four of my patients were legally Able to receive lethal injection.

00:02:37.000 People dying from cancer were able to elect to have an injection given to them and I was involved in those four incidents.

00:02:46.000 So I saw the advantages of having decent legislation and I was appalled when it was overturned and we're back in the jungle now.

00:02:55.000 Well, why have they changed the Hippocratic Oath?

00:02:55.000 Really?

00:02:58.000 Just a few years ago, doctors in this country still gave the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm.

00:03:02.000 They've gotten rid of that.

00:03:03.000 Have they gotten rid of that in Australia?

00:03:05.000 Well, I mean, the Hippocratic Oath is an oath which is designed to suit the prevailing Okay, we've got a break.

00:03:12.000 I've got some other questions for you, Dr. Nietzsche.

00:03:14.000 Can you stay with us?

00:03:15.000 Yes, I can.

00:03:16.000 doctors shouldn't cut the skin. So I mean in a sense the Hippocratic Oath is a

00:03:20.000 oath that's changed and because of that in Australia doctors don't take such an oath

00:03:24.000 because it as I said it's just used to suit certain interests. Okay we got a

00:03:29.000 break I've got some other questions for you Dr. Neitzsche can you stay with us?

00:03:32.000 Yes I can. Okay we'll be right back in four minutes all right. We'll put you on

00:03:37.000 hold we'll come back to him and Maybe you want to call in and talk to the doctor.

00:03:41.000 Maybe you've got a question or a comment for him.

00:03:45.000 Tell the folks answering the phone if that's the subject you want to discuss.

00:03:50.000 That's the only questions we're taking.

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00:04:01.000 Alright folks, we're talking to Dr. Philip Neitchie, and he's got his assisted suicide machine that was confiscated

00:04:09.000 by the Australian government when he flew out to San Diego last week,

00:04:13.000 and he gave his talk at the conference this weekend, over the weekend.

00:04:18.000 Dr. Nietzsche, I don't think it's progressive and loving and compassionate to have the government, to have doctors involved in suicide Certainly people should be given whatever type of painkillers they need.

00:04:33.000 But I see the government moving.

00:04:35.000 I don't know if you're aware of the cases.

00:04:37.000 Have you ever heard of Wesley Smith and the articles he's written for the Wall Street Journal about how they've already got these bioethics boards where they're not going to give people care?

00:04:45.000 If they don't think that their quality of life is good enough to try to take care of them, it's this whole movement I'm concerned about.

00:04:53.000 Where do you see yourself?

00:04:55.000 How would you define the work you do?

00:04:57.000 I'm certainly well aware of Wesley's contribution to the debate, and disappointing it is too.

00:05:05.000 I see that it's a caring and compassionate thing to give people options and to give people choice.

00:05:09.000 And if you don't give people options and you don't give them choice, you see the sorts of things that are happening in your society and ours right now.

00:05:16.000 The commonest way the over 75 end their lives in Australia now is by hanging.

00:05:21.000 A grim and grotesque death.

00:05:23.000 And to do nothing is to leave that situation in place.

00:05:26.000 When you actually engage with people, when you actually give them choice and give them options, people Perhaps paradoxically, live longer.

00:05:32.000 When they've got choices and they know that they can have a peaceful death in the face of severe suffering, they're more inclined to let the disease process take its place.

00:05:41.000 If you deny them that choice and tell them that all that they will get given is better and better pain relief, when pain is often not the issue, then you find that people do desperate things.

00:05:51.000 Well, I saw in the reports of a lot of the people that Kavorkian killed and others, and these are confirmed reports, some of them weren't even physically ill, they were just nut cases.

00:06:01.000 And I mean, what about killing people that are mentally ill? 0.99

00:06:05.000 I mean, if somebody shows up and says, I'm dying, I'm in pain, kill me, and then, you know, you sell them the machine. 0.99

00:06:11.000 I mean, this is a... Well, we don't sell the machines.

00:06:13.000 People join our organization, and as members of our organization, and they've been members for quite a while, over a year, in fact, and then they've attended workshops.

00:06:23.000 Then they might get access to such devices and such machines, but it's not as though they're available on the street corner.

00:06:30.000 We say basically that people that are...

00:06:33.000 Suffering from psychiatric illness and what have you that you've just indicated are not people who are going to get access to these things.

00:06:39.000 But I mean, look, we're doing what we can in the light of no decent legislation.

00:06:43.000 There's no indication that politicians of our country, or for that matter your country, are planning to introduce progressive legislation such as we saw in the Northern Territory and such as you now have in Oregon.

00:06:54.000 And if that were the case, no one would be running around developing such machines.

00:06:58.000 It's in the light of politicians Well, Denver, Colorado hospitals said a few months ago that they're not going to defibrillate people, even though their brains are still alive.

00:07:10.000 I mean, that's scary.

00:07:11.000 I'm worried about the bioethics move that supports the kind of stuff you're doing, Dr. Nietzsche.

00:07:17.000 I'm worried about states, you know, in a kind of soylent green type mode.

00:07:22.000 I mean, some people in some of the Scandinavian nations are now wearing little toe rings that say, don't kill me, and carrying cards in the backs of their pockets that say that.

00:07:31.000 We're the states moving in to force this on people.

00:07:34.000 In fact, you say you're aware of Wesley Smith.

00:07:36.000 I mean, he names the names of people that have been begging for water, begging for food, who've been paralyzed from the neck down, who've been denied it.

00:07:44.000 Are you aware of those cases?

00:07:46.000 I'm well aware of Wesley's misinformation.

00:07:48.000 He does this on a global scale.

00:07:51.000 We occasionally are afflicted by the visits of Wesley in Australia, and he has a profession and a business out of pushing this sort of misinformation.

00:07:59.000 Now... Wait a minute, he names the names of hospitals?

00:08:02.000 Hold on, Doctor.

00:08:02.000 He names the names of hospitals, doctors, what happened?

00:08:06.000 I guarantee you, the Wall Street Journal would not let him write that and name doctors and name people.

00:08:11.000 If it wasn't true, you would get sued so big, it would be insane.

00:08:15.000 Well, look, do you want my opinion, or do you want to interview yourself?

00:08:18.000 I'm trying to answer your question.

00:08:18.000 No, go ahead!

00:08:20.000 Go ahead!

00:08:20.000 Oh, thank you.

00:08:22.000 I'm saying that we can equally name hospitals, we can equally name doctors, and we can equally name patients.

00:08:28.000 Where the converse has taken place, and we do do this.

00:08:32.000 So it's very well, I'm sure there are...

00:08:35.000 Our examples on both sides of this fence, and quoting of examples is not what we need to do.

00:08:40.000 What we need to do is to look at the theory, to look at the principles behind that practice, and say, do we want choice or don't we want choice?

00:08:47.000 Do you want the choice, when your suffering is so great, do you want the choice to be able to end it or not?

00:08:53.000 Now you can answer that question to me.

00:08:54.000 Do you want that choice or don't you?

00:08:57.000 Well, I know that my grandfathers didn't take that way out, and I know that other members of my family didn't, and one of my grandfathers... Would you condemn them if they did?

00:09:06.000 Well, people just didn't do this in the past.

00:09:09.000 Well, they do it now, and do we condemn them, is the question.

00:09:12.000 My point is, is that the government worldwide, and you can say that's not true, I've seen the evidence that the government's pushing where they decide.

00:09:20.000 You know, it's like China. 0.68

00:09:22.000 Well, it's a woman's choice to have an abortion, yeah, but the government comes in and does it. 1.00

00:09:25.000 I'm talking about this whole eugenics move. 0.99

00:09:27.000 Doctor, we've got some callers here for you, and I want to give out your website or other information.

00:09:32.000 Can you stay with us about ten more minutes?

00:09:34.000 Of course I can.

00:09:34.000 Okay, thank you.

00:09:35.000 We'll be right back.

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00:09:39.000 We appreciate him coming on the show and defending his ideas.

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00:10:23.000 All right ladies and gentlemen, Alex Jones here back live and we're talking to Dr. Philip Nietzsche from Australia,

00:10:29.000 who's here in the United States in San Diego.

00:10:31.000 He just spoke to the National Hemlock Society.

00:10:36.000 We have a lot of callers here that would like to speak to you, Dr. Nietzsche.

00:10:40.000 Any other points you'd like to make before we go to these calls, your website or information along those lines?

00:10:46.000 Dr. Nietzsche, are you there?

00:10:48.000 Yes, hello.

00:10:48.000 Yes, we can get straight into the calls if you like.

00:10:50.000 Okay, does your organization have a website?

00:10:53.000 Yes, it's just euthanasia.net.

00:10:57.000 www.euthanasia.net.

00:10:59.000 euthanasia.net.

00:11:01.000 Okay, let's take some calls here.

00:11:03.000 Let's talk to Alice in Oklahoma. 0.92

00:11:06.000 You're on the air with Dr. Nietzsche.

00:11:08.000 Go ahead.

00:11:09.000 Hello?

00:11:10.000 Hello.

00:11:12.000 Yes, you've already answered one question.

00:11:14.000 You don't sell them at the local department stores.

00:11:17.000 No.

00:11:18.000 Um, the other thing that I have, uh, I've had in a past experience to want to die myself, but then turn around the next day and was glad I wasn't dead.

00:11:30.000 And then the question that I really have is, have you investigated the insurance, the life insurance?

00:11:38.000 Most of these policies won't pay for suicide.

00:11:43.000 Yes, I'm not totally familiar with the situation in the US.

00:11:48.000 In Australia, once the 13-month period is up, life insurance does pay out on cases of insurance, and that's certainly the case in the UK too.

00:11:57.000 Look, I couldn't comment on the situation in America.

00:11:59.000 My understanding was that suicide is certainly no preclusion to life insurance after the period of 13 months, which is a normal time.

00:12:11.000 Does that answer your question, Alice?

00:12:13.000 Oh yeah, that answers my question.

00:12:15.000 What do you think of this whole move towards euthanasia?

00:12:18.000 I think just like you said, just another push for our government to put it into law.

00:12:24.000 But Mr. Nietzsche would say that governments are resisting this.

00:12:29.000 I don't agree with the bioethic standards they're pushing to get adopted.

00:12:34.000 I don't agree.

00:12:34.000 I mean, I don't know about Australia, but here in the U.S., I've actually seen quite a push by a large camp in and out of government for this.

00:12:41.000 There's certainly another large camp that is against it.

00:12:44.000 Thanks for the call, Alex.

00:12:45.000 Any comments to what I just stated there, Dr.?

00:12:48.000 Well, I don't know.

00:12:49.000 I mean, you've got it in Oregon.

00:12:50.000 You've seen citizen-initiated referendum go down in three or four other states, now most recently in Maine.

00:12:56.000 So I can't see that there's exactly a great wave of enthusiasm on the part of various state legislatures.

00:13:05.000 Alright, let's take another call.

00:13:06.000 Let's talk to Carol in Colorado.

00:13:08.000 Carol, you're on the air with Dr. Nietzsche.

00:13:11.000 Go ahead.

00:13:11.000 Hi.

00:13:12.000 Hello.

00:13:13.000 I just wanted to comment that I'm... I want a choice.

00:13:17.000 My dad happened to be progressive in emphysema and they took him off water and food and They gave him painkillers and he was gone in three days.

00:13:28.000 And it was painful to watch for those three days.

00:13:32.000 He would have rather had a choice.

00:13:34.000 My uncle in California had cancer of the spine.

00:13:37.000 It deteriorated so bad and he was in so much pain there was no pain medication available for him.

00:13:44.000 Kept trying to go in, trying to get the doctors to do something.

00:13:47.000 He ended up shooting his head off because there was no other way for him to end his suffering.

00:13:53.000 So I just want to let you know that I do want the choice.

00:13:56.000 I don't want the government to force it on me.

00:13:58.000 But I do want the choice.

00:14:00.000 If I were in that situation, I don't want to have to hold a gun to my head and leave that for my family.

00:14:07.000 Yes, I think, look, Carol, that's exactly my position.

00:14:09.000 It's summed up exactly in the way that I hope to have been able to sum it up, too.

00:14:13.000 That people want choice.

00:14:14.000 They're not wanting it pushed upon them, but they don't necessarily want things shoved down their throat.

00:14:19.000 But they do want that option.

00:14:21.000 Exactly.

00:14:22.000 And to tell you the truth, it was painful to sit with my dad for three days.

00:14:25.000 It was better I suppose than sitting at home with him and watching him go through something because they did give him quite a few doses of morphine.

00:14:35.000 But he would have rather had the choice.

00:14:37.000 He knew it was time for him to go.

00:14:39.000 His body just wasn't shutting down, but he was tired and he was ready to go.

00:14:43.000 And I want that choice when I'm that tired.

00:14:46.000 Yes, me too.

00:14:48.000 So, thank you very much.

00:14:50.000 All right, Carol.

00:14:50.000 Thanks for the call.

00:14:51.000 And this is a debate that has to happen, folks, because it's going on worldwide, and I'm here to tell you government, especially in Northern Europe, is enthusiastically behind it, and people are there having to carry cards around their wallets saying, don't kill me.

00:15:09.000 Can I comment on that point?

00:15:10.000 I mean, This is one of these stories which is taken off and swept and publicised by people like Wesley Smith, that there are people carrying cards.

00:15:18.000 Yeah, there are some people carrying cards, but there's a whole lot more people carrying cards saying, I want choice.

00:15:23.000 And it's true that in Holland and in Belgium they have that choice, but they don't have it in France or in Germany.

00:15:29.000 They don't have it in England, so it's not exactly as if it's a groundswell, again, of change happening over there.

00:15:35.000 Well, Doctor, I've got a bunch of callers here, and I just want to take three more.

00:15:38.000 John, Rose, and Scott, and then we'll let you go, and I appreciate all the time and the websites.

00:15:42.000 Thank you.

00:15:42.000 Euthanasia.net, but stay right there.

00:15:43.000 We've got three more calls for you.

00:15:45.000 Thanks.

00:15:45.000 But I want to bring a point up to you.

00:15:48.000 I was shocked whenever I mentioned what Wesley Smith and others were saying, and you said, well, that's his opinion, or what he's saying, or disinformation, or whatever.

00:15:58.000 I said, wait a minute, the Wall Street Journal isn't going to let him name doctors, name hospitals, name names of people, because I'm in radio.

00:16:05.000 I can't get up here and say something that is blatantly not true, because we'll get sued.

00:16:09.000 I have to be careful.

00:16:10.000 And Wesley Smith has documented what he has to say meticulously, and it's been in major papers around the country.

00:16:17.000 They don't just let him write this.

00:16:19.000 And then you said, well, I think it's bad for him to show examples.

00:16:22.000 We need to talk about it.

00:16:23.000 I didn't say that.

00:16:24.000 I didn't say there was anything bad with him showing examples, and I don't even dispute his examples.

00:16:28.000 What I'm saying is that there are equal examples of the converse, where people are being prolonged, they're having their lives extended when they don't want it, they're being forced not to have options, they're being told that they can't have the drugs they want to end their life.

00:16:42.000 Now we can quote the doctors, we can quote the patients, and we can quote the hospitals.

00:16:46.000 Nothing wrong with Wesley doing that, but let's be fair about this and say that this is not the answer, simply to quote one side.

00:16:52.000 Now wait a minute.

00:16:54.000 Now, this show's going out nationwide.

00:16:56.000 Millions of people heard what you said 15 minutes ago.

00:17:00.000 And I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, Dr. Philip Neji.

00:17:03.000 I'm trying to understand.

00:17:04.000 Did I mishear you then?

00:17:06.000 Because you said, I said, he gives all these examples, they wouldn't let him do this, because of liability, if these examples were not accurate and true and had been checked out by the newspapers, and you said, well, you know, I don't think, you know, we should give examples, I think it's bad what he's doing, we need to look at the theory.

00:17:21.000 Now that's almost an exact quote, because I've got a good memory here, and it was just 15 minutes ago.

00:17:25.000 Are you saying you didn't see that?

00:17:28.000 Explain to me what you're saying.

00:17:30.000 Look here, I'm not going to go down that track, and I'm not going to get sucked into that sort of argument.

00:17:34.000 I'm saying to you that examples are important, but they're not the end of the story.

00:17:37.000 That theory is what it's all about, and examples are as many as people want to produce, and we can give just the same number of examples.

00:17:44.000 This is a red herring.

00:17:46.000 No, I was saying this guy's got his evidence.

00:17:49.000 You had impugned what Leslie Smith was saying, Doctor, and I've been very polite with you, and I was trying to find out exactly what you're saying.

00:17:56.000 I was not coming at this from a destructionary, red herring level.

00:18:01.000 Let's take these final calls.

00:18:03.000 John in Texas, you're on the air with Dr. Nietzsche.

00:18:05.000 Go ahead, John, welcome.

00:18:07.000 Or John in Tennessee, go ahead.

00:18:08.000 Yeah, that's me.

00:18:10.000 My mother-in-law apparently euthanized herself about ten years ago when she was at a hospice for AIDS and cancer.

00:18:18.000 Now we find out AIDS is a Pentagon bioweapon and that cancer cures are censored from people, apparently in a genocide program.

00:18:26.000 I'd like to add that my mother-in-law was a nurse, got AIDS in a transfusion during heart surgery.

00:18:34.000 What's your comment on that?

00:18:37.000 Look, I'm not too sure of the issue, John.

00:18:40.000 Are you saying that she had AIDS from transfusion and then she got some form of treatment which ended her life that she didn't want?

00:18:48.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:18:50.000 That's what we suspect.

00:18:51.000 She was out of hospice.

00:18:53.000 She was homeless.

00:18:53.000 She couldn't work in the hospital as a nurse anymore when she got AIDS.

00:18:58.000 The AZT was so devastating.

00:19:01.000 It was worse than the disease.

00:19:04.000 If that happened, it's a disgrace.

00:19:05.000 If that happened in the way you describe, of course, it's a disgrace.

00:19:07.000 chair. They found her three days, her daughter found her three days later in a sitting in

00:19:12.000 an easy chair with a cigarette burned through her hand and holding family pictures. So we

00:19:16.000 suspect that we don't know that it was a euthanasia, probably just took some pills.

00:19:22.000 Yeah, look, if that's tough, if that happened in the way you describe, of course, it's a

00:19:26.000 disgrace. And obviously it's something that no one would condone.

00:19:29.000 Well, how do you feel about all the cures for cancer that are censored and the fact

00:19:33.000 that the government's pumping out these genocide programs with all their medical experiments?

00:19:39.000 Well, I don't see much evidence that they're pumping out their enthusiasm towards helping people, giving people the choices about ending their life.

00:19:47.000 But, I mean, obviously there are better cancer treatments available now, and there are better treatments for HIV and maybe AIDS and maybe Your mother-in-law would have benefited had she stayed alive long enough to develop or to experience some of these better treatments.

00:20:02.000 Well, we know that mycoplasma, the main symptom of AIDS, is a pentagon bioweapon and a Gulf War illness that all the troops in Desert Storm 1 got is genetically spliced with the AIDS virus to make the bacteria more deadly.

00:20:18.000 Yes, well I can't comment on that.

00:20:20.000 Well, I appreciate the call, John.

00:20:23.000 And what John's saying is accurate.

00:20:25.000 We've been in the mainstream news quietly in the back of the paper.

00:20:29.000 Rose in South Carolina and Scott, two final callers for Dr. Nietzsche.

00:20:34.000 Go ahead, Rose, you're on the air.

00:20:37.000 From South Carolina, Rose, go ahead. 0.99

00:20:40.000 Alright, did we lose Rose?

00:20:41.000 No, here I am.

00:20:43.000 Okay, good job.

00:20:44.000 I was going to say that insurance companies would probably go along with this because if you had a protracted disease that lasted for a long time, the insurance company would probably pay off or pay somebody to give you euthanasia to keep from having to put out all your medical bills.

00:21:00.000 But I want to ask the doctor, does he believe in the Lord Jesus Christ?

00:21:06.000 Yes, look, it's a simple question, Rose.

00:21:07.000 It's a fair enough one.

00:21:09.000 No, I don't.

00:21:09.000 I have to confess, I'm an atheist.

00:21:13.000 Well, I tell you, it's a shame and disgrace with a doctor having the ability to cure people that you would go the way you're going and play God within yourself.

00:21:26.000 Well, I don't see it as playing God, giving people choice.

00:21:30.000 Well, God gives life and God takes life, and I don't think people, it's the mind-numbed robots running around here that people can brainwash so easily.

00:21:40.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:21:41.000 Look, that's a very valid position, Rose, and I don't argue with you, I just have a different one.

00:21:46.000 Well, Dr. Nietzsche, look, What about this euthanasia being institutionalized for the general public with the elites getting access to the real developments in science.

00:22:00.000 There's a lot of evidence showing that they're suppressing some of the real live extension technologies.

00:22:05.000 And then kind of having like a Logan's Run type society.

00:22:09.000 Couldn't this put a damper on newer medical developments by making a large area of the market of healthcare becoming euthanasia?

00:22:18.000 Yeah, look, it is a worry.

00:22:19.000 I mean, I can see the line you're putting here and I think we have to be pretty aware of it.

00:22:24.000 I mean, elites in society that get access to the best new treatments and the rest who don't is a real concern.

00:22:31.000 I mean, I suppose I think that what we've got right now...

00:22:34.000 Is that the elites in society get access to the drugs that can give them a peaceful death.

00:22:38.000 I mean I can get them because I'm part of an elite and you might be able to get them but most people out there can't go out and get the best drug to give you a peaceful death because they're not part of that elite.

00:22:47.000 The good thing about legislation such as we see in countries like Holland is that it broadens it out for the whole community to have choice and so it's an equitable and just change that we could benefit from.

00:22:59.000 I mean, you admit some of them have the cards in their back pocket saying, don't kill me.

00:23:03.000 If everything's so perfect, why would they have those cards in their back pocket?

00:23:06.000 Well, I guess, of course, some people have got those cards, but I think there's an awful lot of people that have got cards in their pocket saying, I want choice.

00:23:13.000 I mean, you can't just drag out a small example and say that that proves anything.

00:23:17.000 Well, I mean, we've had a 60-minute special about five years ago in this country, where they admit that hospitals could revive you, you're still alive, but they want your organs, so oops, you don't get the care.

00:23:28.000 It's a very dangerous, slippery slope, doctor.

00:23:32.000 Well, I mean, that's your position there, but I mean, it's not my position, and all I can tell you in this interview is that's not what I think.

00:23:38.000 All right, one final call.

00:23:39.000 Scott in Florida, you're on the air with Dr. Philip Nietzsche from Australia here in the United States right now.

00:23:48.000 How you doing, Dr. Nietzsche?

00:23:49.000 Hello, Scott.

00:23:51.000 I'm for a choice to have a right to die, because I've seen other people in a lot of pain.

00:24:03.000 One thing that scares me about this is before Clinton was elected him and his wife trying to push socialized medicine, which I believe one day will come about with this new surgeon they have in the House majority talking now.

00:24:18.000 I mean, I see the medical rising on the road.

00:24:20.000 What I'm scared of is to save money that they're going to put us to sleep without a choice.

00:24:26.000 If you have your organs They give away?

00:24:29.000 They're just gonna let you go?

00:24:30.000 I just... Well, I mean, the Denver Post already reported that.

00:24:32.000 Six area hospitals, and we're on right now in Denver.

00:24:36.000 You read this, folks there in Colorado, will not deprivulate you now.

00:24:40.000 Your brain's still alive.

00:24:41.000 I mean, most people I know have really bad heart attacks.

00:24:43.000 Their heart stops, they get them started, they live another 25 years.

00:24:47.000 This is dangerous, and just quietly, while the government says they're against euthanasia, they're really setting it up to the bioethics boards.

00:24:54.000 How do you respond to that, Dr. Nietzsche?

00:24:56.000 Well, look, this is an assertion and I don't see evidence of that.

00:24:59.000 So, I mean, it's your particular position.

00:25:03.000 I find quite the contrary.

00:25:04.000 I find that there's no great groundswell towards this.

00:25:07.000 We find we have to battle to get the most basic human choices and human rights established in medical environments.

00:25:14.000 People typically don't have that choice.

00:25:15.000 There's no enthusiasm to give them that choice, certainly not in a legal sense.

00:25:19.000 People get it usually through the back door, a little bit like abortion was 25 years ago in our country, where Where you didn't get an abortion unless you were very wealthy or very well connected.

00:25:30.000 Now, of course, in our country, at least, abortion is available to all if they want it.

00:25:35.000 And that's a choice and we are happy about that.

00:25:36.000 Well, abortion is murder. 1.00

00:25:38.000 Well, we'll see.

00:25:39.000 This is a position that you take.

00:25:40.000 It's not my position.

00:25:41.000 And now, well, yeah, but that's a whole moral relativist view.

00:25:45.000 You know, look.

00:25:47.000 Abortion is killing a human life, and that is a human, and that is developing, and it is destroying our society.

00:25:56.000 And look, Communist China does it, and so do we.

00:25:58.000 It's wrong.

00:26:00.000 Well, again, you're making that position.

00:26:01.000 It's not my position.

00:26:02.000 I can only say to you that I don't agree with you.

00:26:05.000 Alright, well, I'd like to make one other comment.

00:26:06.000 Sure.

00:26:07.000 People try to commit suicide every day.

00:26:09.000 What happens to them?

00:26:10.000 They don't prosecute them.

00:26:11.000 It's against the law in those countries, so you take it from there.

00:26:14.000 Where is the mind?

00:26:16.000 All right, thanks for the call.

00:26:18.000 I'm from Florida, sir.

00:26:20.000 Okay, well, Dr. Nietzsche, that which doesn't kill us only makes us stronger, huh?

00:26:26.000 Yes, that's exactly right.

00:26:27.000 That which kills us makes us stronger, I guess.

00:26:30.000 Well, that's a variation, but there you go.

00:26:33.000 Okay, take care and thanks for joining us, and I hope you change your mind because I think that you're clouded and I think you're blinded here.

00:26:41.000 See you later.

00:26:42.000 Oh boy, there's no point screaming at that guy.

00:26:45.000 You know, the Bible says murder is wrong.

00:26:47.000 The Bible says coveting your neighbor's wife is wrong.

00:26:51.000 The Bible says stealing is wrong.

00:26:53.000 And the Bible says suicide is wrong.

00:26:56.000 And I think God knows a little bit better than we do.

00:26:59.000 And I found that the code that the Bible gives us to live our lives creates powerful, dynamic, happy society.

00:27:08.000 And now I may be in a position someday with bone cancer and incredible pain like my father's father and lung cancer and everything else.

00:27:17.000 But my grandfather didn't want to die.

00:27:19.000 He wanted to spend those final hours with his family.

00:27:22.000 I was there when he died when I was five years old.

00:27:24.000 And that was an incredible experience and it's an important part of growing.

00:27:30.000 And I just I know this, I'm not going to commit suicide.

00:27:37.000 I will never, never commit suicide.

00:27:40.000 No matter how much pain I'm in.

00:27:42.000 And I've been in a lot of pain before, folks.

00:27:44.000 I've had compound fractures and, you know, stuff like that.

00:27:47.000 I didn't want to commit suicide.

00:27:48.000 I wanted to live that much stronger.

00:27:50.000 Every minute of precious life will be right back.

Alex Jones Show - January 14, 2003

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