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00:00:26.000 We're already into the third and final hour of this global transmission against tyranny.

00:00:32.000 And in the last hour we had Hutton Gibson, expert on the New World Order, and of course Father Mel Gibson on, talking about the different key issues.

00:00:42.000 In this hour, we're joined by Andres von Bulow, and he was the Federal Minister of Defense, or the equivalent of our Secretary of Defense, been in the German government since the 70s, and up until just a few years ago, he was also the Minister of Technology, and he's written a book that, according to Reuters, is the bestseller in Germany, that translates into 9-11 and the CIA.

00:01:09.000 And he's not the only German minister that has said that we're looking at world fascism here, and powerful military industrial complex institutions engineering terror attacks to scare us into submission.

00:01:22.000 And Andres von Bülow, we are so honored to have someone of your stature and obvious intelligence and your courage on this show.

00:01:34.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:01:36.000 Hello, this is Andres von Bülow speaking.

00:01:40.000 We're going to break here in a few minutes and come back in a longer segment, but for those that just joined us, tell us a little bit more about yourself and then your book, please.

00:01:49.000 Well, I have been 25 years in politics.

00:01:54.000 Now I am out.

00:01:57.000 In the end, I was a Minister of Technology before I was Secretary for Defense.

00:02:06.000 Then I had to deal in In a commission about the East-West transactions, about the secret service of East Germany.

00:02:17.000 And this was a very interesting inside story.

00:02:23.000 Because on the Western side, on doing deals between East and West and violating the laws of economics in Germany, in the European community and the United States, It was always two parts which were dealing between East and West.

00:02:47.000 And this brought me a lot of insight in the Secret Service business.

00:02:52.000 In fact, I remember reading about the huge investigations you did.

00:02:55.000 That was massive international headlines concerning Wisconsin.

00:02:59.000 And how different governments have actually been working with these people.

00:03:03.000 And if you'd like, you're welcome to get into that as well.

00:03:06.000 Again, folks, the equivalent of the Secretary of Defense, Minister of Defense in Germany, and then of course technology, the head of that.

00:03:15.000 Just absolutely amazing.

00:03:18.000 Your best-selling book, and I wish there was an English translation, because I would certainly buy one, My wife does read German, but please tell us about your book.

00:03:32.000 Well, I was writing another book, and then 9-11 happened, and it was strange to me watching.

00:03:43.000 Well, we all were horrified what was going on, and we said, well, it's impossible, and how can a crew of people manage to do such things?

00:03:56.000 At the first hours we didn't know who was it, then within hours came out that probably Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda was behind that, and then within two or three days These 19 people came out and my objection was, or my looking at it, to whom make it bring good and I found out that it's rather damaging to the Islamist world and perhaps 0.99

00:04:38.000 It might be not only a terrorist attack, perhaps it might be a covert operation.

00:04:43.000 And I watched the scenery going on, what the American government is... Minister, Minister, we've got a break, we'll be back in three minutes.

00:04:52.000 Absolutely, we'll go into this in great detail, we're honored to have you.

00:04:55.000 We're talking to Andres Von Muehlo, we'll be back.

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00:08:08.000 That's right, my friends.

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00:08:15.000 I am so honored to have on Andres von Bulow, former German Defense Minister, head of their Defense Department, and then, of course, just a few years ago, the head of their technology system, which is a very high-level post, just as high-level as the Defense Minister in Deutschland.

00:08:32.000 And he's written a best-selling book.

00:08:35.000 I've read some of the quotes out of it that have been translated into English.

00:08:39.000 And the title translated is, 9-11 and the CIA.

00:08:42.000 And he lays out the evidence of the military-industrial complex carrying out the attacks.

00:08:47.000 Also, we're lining up for the show Michael Meacher.

00:08:51.000 And he, of course, was the British Environment Minister who resigned over Tony Blair's fraud.

00:08:57.000 uh... and uh... has written articles saying of the globalist uh...

00:09:02.000 didn't carry the attacks out uh... they are certainly funded a lot of take place so

00:09:06.000 you got a brain and look at the evidence is clear and i'm a stir up on

00:09:10.000 below very intelligent individual

00:09:13.000 has gone over the so sorry you said that on the day of the event you began to look at it you began

00:09:18.000 to research it and from your specific expertise of intelligence and

00:09:22.000 military and technology you know having up uh... entire sectors of a couple of what

00:09:27.000 the uh... world's third largest economy

00:09:30.000 uh... please uh... the good discuss for us

00:09:33.000 your research and uh... how you wrote the book and what really happened

00:09:37.000 on nine eleven At 9-11 I just watched the scenery and I said, well, there must have gone something very wrongly, in the wrong way.

00:09:52.000 And I watched the TV, for example, and in the same minute where the TV showed the planes driving into the World Trade Center, You found these Palestinians dancing and laughing and a few days later one could find out that this was a fake. 1.00

00:10:20.000 It was made by a TV crew of the Defense Ministry in Israel and they gave candies to the people and they laughed about it and nobody told it and the question for me was Who brought this TV stuff right in time into the international networks like CNN and CBS and so on and so on?

00:10:44.000 And then we looked for the... and then the story came up, this has been done by Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda and these were 19 people of Muslim background which did this.

00:11:01.000 And then you could watch at the passenger list, and nobody showed up.

00:11:07.000 Not one Arabic name is showing up there.

00:11:10.000 Then one is interested to see videos, because all these 19 passengers must have passed a lot of video cameras in these three airports.

00:11:23.000 In Dallas, I think, in Newark, and in Logan in Boston.

00:11:27.000 And in Portland, in the North.

00:11:32.000 You don't get this stuff.

00:11:35.000 We are looking for the black boxes.

00:11:37.000 We don't get them.

00:11:39.000 And the story how these World Trade Centers broke down.

00:11:43.000 They were constructed against an approach by airplanes.

00:11:51.000 The firemen of New York, they were able to come to the floor where the fires were burning.

00:11:58.000 And the fire commander said, well, I need two teams more to fight these fires, and then it's finished.

00:12:06.000 So the heat, it's impossible that the heat was as high as it has been written in the papers and in all the media.

00:12:16.000 And then, and then, The Feds declared that all the firefighter tapes had malfunctioned.

00:12:23.000 Turns out that wasn't true.

00:12:24.000 We got copies of them.

00:12:26.000 And it did say that the firefighters said the fires were out.

00:12:29.000 Others are almost out.

00:12:31.000 There's video of people standing in the holes in the buildings with no fire around them.

00:12:39.000 We're going to go over the evidence that's in your book, sir, and why you came to these educated conclusions.

00:12:45.000 But first, I wanted to ask you, have you heard the new developments?

00:12:49.000 The owner of the World Trade Center slipped up on TV and said that they blew Building 7 up, the 47-story building that wasn't even hit by an aircraft.

00:13:01.000 This just broke two weeks ago.

00:13:02.000 Have you heard this?

00:13:03.000 You're sure I have heard this?

00:13:05.000 I follow the whole scenery.

00:13:07.000 You know, normally it's not coming out in Germany, it's coming out in your country.

00:13:14.000 And it's a fascinating background to research via internet, because all this stuff is broadly spread over the internet.

00:13:25.000 So it's very easy to follow, but in the main media, you don't get a yoda about this.

00:13:30.000 Well I'll tell you what, later in this hour, it's only three minutes of audio clips, we will air from the PBS documentary America Rebuilding, where they admit they blew up WTC7.

00:13:40.000 Now that's important because they said that building fell from fire, even though it wasn't hit by a plane, and now he slips up and says, we decided to demolish it, On 9-11, but then the mainstream media just ignores that.

00:13:53.000 I mean, this is a public admission, sir.

00:13:56.000 Yeah, especially because the CIA headquarter in New York was within this building, and I think the, how do you call it, the emergency center for the governor, or no, the major mayor of New York was in this building.

00:14:15.000 So, um, and it was not hit by a plane, and the fire was very low, and the surrounding steel constructions were left over.

00:14:26.000 They didn't collapse, but the building number 7 collapsed in the late afternoon, at 5 o'clock, I think.

00:14:33.000 Well, from our internal sources, they were running the attack, sir, out of the building, and so conveniently got rid of the evidence in one fell swoop.

00:14:43.000 This is one theory.

00:14:44.000 It might be.

00:14:45.000 It's convincing, but one has to get the whole proof.

00:14:49.000 But the problem is that the elements for proof are destroyed.

00:14:54.000 Also... You find them in Japanese cars and in ships of the American Navy.

00:15:01.000 Also, sir, we have Norad standing down for an hour and 25 minutes, but when the golfer Payne Stewart went off course for 15 minutes, he was surrounded in 18 minutes by five F-16s.

00:15:13.000 Why did Norad stand down?

00:15:16.000 Well, this is a big question, because it happened in 2001, I think, more than 60 times.

00:15:26.000 That fighter went up to clear what has been done to airplanes which showed some irregularities.

00:15:37.000 At 9-11 four planes for two hours were able to drive around, fly around, even one hour going in direction to the west, then turn around and then come back.

00:15:53.000 And the military air force was not able to interdict them.

00:16:01.000 It's unimaginable.

00:16:03.000 And the whole story is totally unclear what happened between the Federal Aviation Agency and NORAD.

00:16:11.000 Now, I don't know if you've seen the Associated Press, but the CIA was running a drill 15 miles from the World Trade Centers that day, applying jets into buildings in New York and D.C.

00:16:11.000 Absolutely.

00:16:21.000 My sources inside the Pentagon, the lawyers who represent them, have said on this show that they were told to stand down because it was, quote, just a drill.

00:16:31.000 That's how you get the good military to stand down.

00:16:33.000 You tell them, oh, it's just a drill, and that drill was going on at 8.30 in the morning.

00:16:38.000 Is that not obvious, sir?

00:16:40.000 It's quite obvious, yeah.

00:16:43.000 It's so strange.

00:16:44.000 And the most strange thing for me is that after two years you don't have a white book which is documenting everything.

00:16:50.000 If you are looking for the timetable, for example, you have to make a medium between two or three or five newspapers and radio and TV announcements.

00:17:05.000 So, everything is unclear.

00:17:07.000 On the other hand, the American government is running, as they call it, a world war against possibly 16 nations without showing what really was the background of 9-11.

00:17:21.000 For me, it's impossible.

00:17:23.000 Now by that, they admit that 9 of the 19 hijackers, the BBC says 7, but it's 9 are still alive.

00:17:30.000 Bin Laden has not been convicted.

00:17:32.000 Bin Laden's known CIA.

00:17:34.000 You've got Bush meeting with the head of the Bin Laden family that morning in D.C. 0.96

00:17:38.000 at the Rich Carlton.

00:17:39.000 You've got the General of Pakistan, the head of their intelligence, meeting with the House and Senate Intelligence Committee at 8.30 that morning.

00:17:46.000 His second trip in his life to the United States.

00:17:50.000 You've got the FBI paying for the houses, the cars, the credit cards of the supposed hijackers.

00:17:56.000 I mean, sir, you've got public officials, Mayor Willie Brown, Joint Chiefs of Staff, told not to fly to New York that day.

00:18:03.000 That's all admitted.

00:18:04.000 What do you say to that?

00:18:05.000 It's all admitted.

00:18:08.000 So for me, the official version is not credible at all.

00:18:14.000 It's totally incredible.

00:18:17.000 The second solution is a covert operation.

00:18:21.000 And this is a way to influence, to brainwash the American people into a long, long ongoing conflict with the Muslim world in order to get, to bring, for example to the oil companies, the last oil reserves which we need for the next decades. 0.92

00:18:44.000 Before finally the oil age is going out.

00:18:49.000 And probably behind this is a philosophy of geopolitical thinking that finally China has to be taken up and China is too big and you have to be able.

00:19:04.000 This is put down in the idea of a new American century.

00:19:10.000 Which has been written by a lot of people which are now in government, like Cheney, like Rumsfeld and others.

00:19:18.000 Now, sir, we've got a break.

00:19:19.000 We're going to get into the project for the American Century, Operation Northwoods. 0.62

00:19:23.000 Are you aware of the U.S.

00:19:24.000 government plan to carry out 9-11 style attacks?

00:19:29.000 You mean in Northwoods?

00:19:32.000 Yes, sir.

00:19:32.000 You're sure I know?

00:19:34.000 Is that not a key piece of evidence?

00:19:36.000 Well, this is a key piece of evidence of the thinking of the military, probably in a dialogue with the politics.

00:19:45.000 Finally, I think Kennedy decided not to do it.

00:19:48.000 But it was... I think all of the... Stay there, we got a break.

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00:24:00.000 Alright my friend, I'm Alex Jones, your host.

00:24:10.000 For the rest of the hour, we're honored to have Andres von Bülow, former Defense Secretary, and then, of course, former head of technology, Department of Technology, in Germany.

00:24:21.000 And he just got out of government a few years ago.

00:24:23.000 He's written a best-selling book, 9-11 and the CIA.

00:24:26.000 We have info on that at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:24:32.000 We'll also be posting this interview on the website here in the next few days as well.

00:24:38.000 There's so many facets of this.

00:24:42.000 Mr. Bombiolo continuing With the process of you waking up to what happened on 9-11 and researching it, what are some of the other key points that clearly show that it's impossible that these 19 people did this?

00:24:56.000 We know that's a fraud.

00:24:57.000 The conspiracy theory is to say they did it alone.

00:25:01.000 From your intensive research and your understanding of high-level government activities, what do you think really happened on 9-11?

00:25:11.000 Well, nobody can prove what has happened directly, because if it has been a covert operation, then you don't find proofs.

00:25:23.000 You will find only indications.

00:25:27.000 And one of the indications is, the indication that everything is right with these 19 people in Osama Bin Laden, Is that the government is free to show all the proof which is on the table, which is on the street, which lays on the ground of World Trade Center and so on and so on. 0.90

00:25:51.000 If you have a covered operation, the probability is always that the leftover Pieces of proof are taken away immediately, and a lot of secrecy, a band of secrecy is taken over everything.

00:26:11.000 And this has happened with 9-11.

00:26:12.000 Well, that also happened, were you aware in the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune reported this in 93, the FBI cooked the bomb, trained the driver, had an Egyptian security agent doing it for him, had two retarded Muslims, literally retarded, drive the truck and park it, let the bombing go forward, In Oklahoma City, the same company that destroyed the remnants of the World Trade Center blew up the remnants of Oklahoma City, had that buried under machine gun guard at a private landfill to this day. 0.92

00:26:43.000 They hold the rubble away from the WTC complex to China.

00:26:47.000 They wouldn't let you take photographs.

00:26:49.000 Yes, exactly.

00:26:52.000 At the beginning, the engineers were not allowed to go to the steel process and so on.

00:27:02.000 They had a lot of problems and there was very scarce money.

00:27:06.000 You know, to clear up the story of Bill Clinton with Monica Lewinsky, the Republican majority gave out 60 millions of dollars.

00:27:18.000 Boy, I think even 17 it's now.

00:27:21.000 And then they started with $600,000 to try to find out what happened in 9-11.

00:27:27.000 And they were taken away from doing research and so on and so on.

00:27:35.000 And they are upset.

00:27:37.000 And the fire engineer magazine is saying, well, it's totally, totally unbelievable what happened with this This extermination of 9-11. 0.66

00:27:50.000 Well, they say it's a criminal cover-up.

00:27:53.000 And now, sir, we've turned into a police state.

00:27:55.000 They can secretly arrest citizens, secretly execute us.

00:27:59.000 They're building admitted prison camps all over the country.

00:28:02.000 This is in our news.

00:28:03.000 I mean, we're turning into something like the Soviet Union here.

00:28:07.000 I can't comment on this, but what's going on in Guantanamo is like that.

00:28:14.000 I think, and the problem is if you put people away, like in Guantanamo on Cuba, if you take them away for one or two years without letting a lawyer do them, without showing them what you are reprising to them, without having contacts with families, finally they tell in all court processes What the FBI is wanting from them.

00:28:42.000 So you get faked evidence from these kind of people if you behave like that.

00:28:49.000 Our mainstream news says torture is good and they say they are torturing people.

00:28:55.000 That's the Washington Post.

00:28:56.000 Is that a concern that our government now admits they're torturing?

00:29:00.000 Well, I'm informed that, I don't know whether they are torturing, the kind of keeping them is a kind of a torture, but I'm told that there is an agreement with a lot of states to put these people, for example, to Egypt or to other states where torture is accepted and is done, and then you get the The final outcome out of this torture, and you can produce this before German courts or American courts, and try to bring about final judgment.

00:29:40.000 Well, that's it.

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00:35:24.000 going back to our response you love uh... sir we were talking during the break and i said what

00:35:29.000 are some of the other key points uh... that you'd like to go over

00:35:33.000 You mentioned the CIA and insider trading and the anthrax attacks.

00:35:37.000 Please discuss it.

00:35:39.000 Well, the inside trading, everybody knows that there were news about insider trading.

00:35:50.000 I think all together about $15 billion.

00:35:55.000 And there was speculation about the going down of United Airlines and American Airlines, both airlines which were touched by 9-11 and other things.

00:36:11.000 And so normally you could find out because I think the American, the CIA together with the financial department, the treasury, They developed this FinCEN watching the markets to find out speculations about going on terrorist attacks.

00:36:39.000 So they could immediately find out there's something going on and they could find out.

00:36:45.000 And in this case, in 9-11, the NSA people, which are the guys watching via satellites, the whole transactions going on, on Earth, they said, they told The people to destroy the tapes.

00:37:03.000 They had tapes about this interior trading and they said we have to destroy them.

00:37:08.000 So they are not there any longer for proof.

00:37:10.000 Now again, interior trading, that's a good term for it, insider trading or interior trading going on here.

00:37:19.000 And 15 million dollars, I think that's a low estimate.

00:37:23.000 It came out the first week.

00:37:24.000 Germany reported on it.

00:37:25.000 France, the U.S. 0.98

00:37:26.000 Oh, we're going to catch them.

00:37:28.000 Record put options against United and American.

00:37:30.000 Not against other airlines, but specifically against these.

00:37:34.000 And it led back to the CIA.

00:37:36.000 Suddenly they destroy the evidence.

00:37:38.000 Again.

00:37:39.000 Another smoking gun.

00:37:41.000 Then you get into anthrax attacks.

00:37:43.000 Bush on Cipro.

00:37:44.000 The most weaponized anthrax ever seen.

00:37:46.000 Tell us about that.

00:37:48.000 Well, there the question just is, who has the responsibility for this?

00:37:54.000 Because, you know, it overlaid the whole public debate, what was the background and the reason for 9-11, for weeks.

00:38:04.000 Because these attacks were going on for weeks and weeks and weeks.

00:38:08.000 And finally nothing came out.

00:38:11.000 We have no report on who was responsible, who did it.

00:38:16.000 And this, again, is amazing.

00:38:20.000 I think it belongs probably to the cover-up, the psychological cover-up of the whole scenery.

00:38:27.000 And then the Vice President and the President asking the Congress not to go too much into detail about the background of 9-11.

00:38:38.000 What does this mean?

00:38:39.000 And then, until now, what the President knew before 9-11 is a total secret.

00:38:48.000 I think there is no Secret Service around the world which gave not hints to the American Secret Service community, the CIA, the DIA and so on and so on.

00:39:00.000 They did nothing out of it.

00:39:02.000 And the most disturbing thing is that these guys, which knew about something about coming up 9-11, they were cut out.

00:39:12.000 Before.

00:39:14.000 I mean, the local level, the regional level of the FBI offices, they knew quite a lot and they forced, they tried to force the central, The central organization to go into the details about Arabs taking lessons in flight schools and so on, and the guy who decided on top, I think it's the second man within the FBI, he told, no, we don't do this, and he got promoted after 9-11.

00:39:44.000 By the way, the U.S.

00:39:47.000 embassies that allowed supposedly al-Qaeda back in, Got record cash bonuses.

00:39:53.000 The FBI agents that ordered other FBI agents not to stop Al Qaeda, they got bonuses.

00:39:59.000 Bush signed W199I months before 9-11, ordering the FBI not to stop Al Qaeda.

00:40:06.000 They threatened to arrest FBI agent Robert Wright if he tells us what he knows.

00:40:11.000 I've interviewed his lawyer, David Shippers, who knew about the attacks beforehand.

00:40:15.000 He went to Bush.

00:40:16.000 Bush wouldn't talk to him.

00:40:17.000 Ashcroft Wouldn't talk to him.

00:40:20.000 And you said something very astute, sir.

00:40:23.000 You talked about the anthrax being a psychological cover-up of the scenery.

00:40:29.000 That is, all these questions in the early days, coming out about 9-11, got blacked out by the anthrax attacks.

00:40:36.000 And that's absolutely why that happened.

00:40:38.000 And we've tracked that back to Fort Detrick, Maryland.

00:40:41.000 And they said it wasn't weaponized anthrax.

00:40:44.000 It turned out it was the most weaponized anthrax they'd ever seen.

00:40:48.000 Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

00:40:51.000 And then the wars which were reasoned to be as fights against terrorism.

00:40:59.000 the war against Afghanistan to put out the Taliban uh... it was decided long before and I think in June before

00:41:07.000 before 9/11 uh... the Afghanistan government no not the Pakistan

00:41:13.000 government and the Indian government was uh...

00:41:17.000 was told that there will be an intervention in October And also, 44,000 U.S.

00:41:24.000 troops, 18,000 U.S.

00:41:26.000 troops were in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

00:41:29.000 Bush had the battle launch orders on his desk two days before 9-11.

00:41:33.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:41:36.000 And I want to digress, sir, back to torture for a minute, because you have impressed me by how... I mean, you know so much about this.

00:41:42.000 You've researched it so well.

00:41:44.000 On the torture issue, General Rick Baucus Quit Guantanamo because he quote refused to torture the people there and the CIA section chief bragged in the Washington Post that they fly them to foreign countries and the CIA tortures them themselves.

00:42:02.000 So they do admit the torture.

00:42:07.000 Sure.

00:42:09.000 I can't, I can't comment on this.

00:42:11.000 It's, it's, it's obvious and all the, all the court proceedings against, for example, Maasai, I think it was the 20th, normally supposed to have in each, each aircraft five hijackers.

00:42:32.000 And one was taken into prison by the FBI before, and then the process was made, I think, in Alexandria, in Virginia, and the judge said, well, if you don't give the proof by these guys who run Al-Qaeda, as the government is telling, if you don't give these people for cross-examination, then I can't deliver a judgment.

00:42:59.000 The same is true in Germany.

00:43:01.000 We have some people which are related to Al-Qaeda, or probably Al-Qaeda, because Al-Qaeda is probably an artificial... 0.95

00:43:12.000 C.I.A.

00:43:13.000 nomination of of c_i_a_s that you know uh... elements of uh... of of islam people

00:43:20.000 uh... uh... within a number of the the the the the the the trials are are

00:43:26.000 are failing because uh... the american government is not delivering the the

00:43:30.000 the proof absolutely and and and look we've had military officers

00:43:37.000 many others on It's clear, Al Qaeda is a CIA creation, a foggy boogeyman, so the military-industrial complex can carry out a tax, and then pin it on them.

00:43:48.000 And we know, I mean, when Bin Laden blows up a building, supposedly, our government pays their family to rebuild it. 0.61

00:43:56.000 I mean, there's the payoff right out in the open.

00:44:02.000 The whole background, the whole personal, like Bin Laden, like Al Qaeda, like Taliban, even Saddam Hussein, these are all figures which were handled by CIA in former times.

00:44:18.000 So probably they are recycled in the system now as bad guys.

00:44:22.000 Before they were the good guys, I'm taking away the Russians out of Afghanistan and dealing with this and getting money for that, paid for this and now they are used as bad guys and Osama Bin Laden has been, I think, in 95 0.87

00:44:46.000 In the Balkans, in an operation where the Americans were with the UKG in Albania.

00:44:56.000 You find these guys all over.

00:44:57.000 You find them in Chechnya, for example.

00:45:03.000 And these are also former Afghanis, as they are called.

00:45:10.000 And they are driving the global play of secret services, of CIA for example.

00:45:18.000 Absolutely, and then they provide the crisis, so the Big Brother can provide the police state solution.

00:45:25.000 Andres Von Bulow, it's clear that if we do not expose who at least stands to gain from the terror, and who is involved in it, that is the large financial interests that own our government, they're going to be able to use America as the engine for, quote, imperial mobilization and world domination, as Brzezinski and the PENAC documents and others have said.

00:45:46.000 How important is it To expose this for the future of free humanity?

00:45:52.000 I think it's for everybody outside of the United States it's extremely important because it's a question of whether democracy will survive and the state of law is kept up or we are driven by public relation and financial interests and the main thing I think for the Americans is Who pays for all this?

00:46:18.000 Because if the oil companies get more cheap oil and make their money out of it, the American taxpayer has to pay for the military machine.

00:46:31.000 Not the oil companies are paying for that.

00:46:34.000 Not the military industrial complex is paying for it.

00:46:39.000 It's the American taxpayer.

00:46:40.000 So it's extremely important.

00:46:42.000 Absolutely, and now we are paying record amounts for fuel, for petrol, Mr. Vombulo, in this country while they have record supplies and the oil companies are posting record profits.

00:46:57.000 I want to get into WTC7.

00:47:00.000 Because I want people to hear these clips.

00:47:02.000 This is from the PBS documentary, and this will just take a minute, sir, and we'll get your comment on it, where they describe how Building 7 fell, how they removed it first after it fell because, quote, nobody died in it.

00:47:13.000 And then it's the owner, Larry Silverstein, saying that they pulled it, gave the order to demolish it, on the afternoon of September 11th.

00:47:22.000 So, Mark, go ahead and hit that clip for us, please.

00:47:26.000 Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding.

00:47:32.000 Located north of the slurry wall, seven had been cleared faster than the rest of the site.

00:47:38.000 And there had been no bodies to recover.

00:47:44.000 Pelted by debris when the north tower collapsed, seven burned until late afternoon, allowing occupants to evacuate to safety.

00:47:53.000 I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.

00:48:01.000 We made the decision to pull, and then watch the building collapse.

00:48:05.000 Now here's Dan Rather, seconds after it collapses, replaying the collapse of 7.

00:48:09.000 And this is what Dan Rather had to say, then we'll get Bombilo's comment.

00:48:12.000 Go ahead and hit it.

00:48:13.000 We made the decision to pull and then watch the building collapse.

00:48:17.000 Now here's Dan Rather, seconds after it collapses, replaying the collapse of 7.

00:48:22.000 And this is what Dan Rather had to say, then we'll get Bombilo's comment.

00:48:25.000 Go ahead and hit it.

00:48:26.000 What you're seeing are high shots.

00:48:29.000 Now here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself.

00:48:33.000 So describe that to me.

00:48:34.000 Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building.

00:48:37.000 It's amazing.

00:48:40.000 Amazing, incredible, pick your word.

00:48:43.000 For the third time today, reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.

00:48:57.000 Again, the seismographs show multiple explosions, the firefighters were told to get back, uh, Von Bielow, how important is this piece of evidence?

00:49:09.000 Uh, the explosions?

00:49:10.000 Well, sure, it's, uh, you know, um, the government has to explain it.

00:49:17.000 They have to prove their case.

00:49:20.000 They have to prove their conspiracy theory about these 19 Muslims under the direction of Osama Bin Laden. 0.72

00:49:27.000 That's not my business.

00:49:29.000 My question is only, if there are explosions, is this true?

00:49:36.000 Can it be that the heat out of kerosene is able to destroy these huge buildings in a manner that they are collapsing in a semantical fall?

00:49:53.000 In a very short, in a few seconds, they broke together.

00:50:00.000 It's nearly impossible.

00:50:03.000 So, everything which is on the table is telling that the government story is not true.

00:50:12.000 And that must be another story.

00:50:14.000 There must have been explosions.

00:50:17.000 And if there are spikes on the geological institutions in five states, 2.2 on the Richter scale, You have to find out what's the background and five or seven days later the temperature on the ground were 500 degrees or a little bit more or 450.

00:50:43.000 Huge, if it's only five flowers which were destroyed and where the fire was burning.

00:50:54.000 We've got a break.

00:50:57.000 We'll be right back.

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00:54:02.000 the Well, I'm the one that...

00:54:11.000 We're talking to Andres von Bulow, a minister at the highest levels of the German government.

00:54:17.000 His last post as the head of technology.

00:54:21.000 And I know we've got a lot of callers.

00:54:22.000 We only have time to take one or two from Dan in Oklahoma.

00:54:25.000 I just want to commend Andres von Bulow for writing his book, 9-11 and the CIA.

00:54:33.000 And I would hope that a publisher in the U.S.

00:54:34.000 would get it translated and published here, because I would definitely carry it.

00:54:38.000 You can find information on the book for those that read and speak German at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:54:47.000 Andres Rambulo, let's take a call.

00:54:49.000 Let's talk to Dan in Oklahoma.

00:54:51.000 Dan, you're on the air.

00:54:52.000 Go ahead.

00:54:53.000 Thanks, Alex.

00:54:54.000 Mr. Rambulo, my question is, following this disaster of 9-1-1, I understand Germany, France, and Russia, why they didn't want to get involved because of the money that they had invested in Iraq.

00:55:09.000 With the military-industrial complex like it is, what do you understand the new world order to be, especially since they said they could use this event of 9-1-1?

00:55:18.000 Now, who are the forces behind government-sponsored terror?

00:55:25.000 Who are the forces behind government I didn't understand this.

00:55:29.000 Well, we know there's this global government now forming.

00:55:32.000 We know powerful financial interests are engineering terror attacks.

00:55:35.000 Who are the forces behind the military-industrial complex?

00:55:39.000 Well, there is always an interest, if you look at the munition factory, as I observed

00:55:50.000 in the East-West conflict or in the Near East conflict, they are always trying to sell their

00:55:55.000 material to both sides and they are always interested in conflict and they would like

00:56:02.000 after the breakdown of the Soviet Union, the normal thing would be that we cut down this

00:56:12.000 military industrial complex, which cost the American taxpayer a huge amount of money.

00:56:18.000 And exactly at the same time when the Soviet Union is breaking down, this new terror thing comes up. 0.61

00:56:23.000 And the first terrorist attacks were, I think, the World Trade Center One, where we found out that the leading guy of this bomb building, which was at this time an agricultural bomb, he was immediately going to the FBI and telling them, I tell you everything about this.

00:56:45.000 And they agreed about that finally 24 hours before the attack in 1993, they would change the powder, the dangerous powder against an undangerous powder.

00:57:02.000 And the FBI didn't come up.

00:57:04.000 to do this so yeah i think they took the bomb and train the drivers and that's another

00:57:09.000 i was out of the people there were a lot of uh... uh... uh... brain fractured

00:57:14.000 and and six people that that

00:57:16.000 in oklahoma you had nearly the same thing to attacks

00:57:20.000 One was of perhaps McNay and this other guy.

00:57:27.000 But there was another attack much more stronger than this agricultural bomb and there is an American general and an Air Force general who had it for I think 10 years or 15 years.

00:57:40.000 Explosive Institute, and he said, never could this aquarium bomb bring about such a damage.

00:57:48.000 There must be something else, and they found that within the building there were demolition charges.

00:57:56.000 Absolutely.

00:57:57.000 Dan, thanks for the call.

00:57:59.000 I hope we can get you on in the future again.

00:58:01.000 Andres Frambulo, you've been so kind.

00:58:03.000 You have such amazing courage to stand up and tell the truth, and we've been honored to have you on the show from Germany.

00:58:10.000 God bless you.

00:58:12.000 Thank you.

00:58:13.000 Thank you very much.

00:58:14.000 Have a good evening.

00:58:16.000 Folks, we're out of time.

00:58:17.000 Back tonight, 9 to midnight Central Standard Time.

00:58:19.000 We'll re-air The Centerview till everybody you know to tune in.

00:58:22.000 I'll be back tomorrow, 11 to 2 as well.

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00:58:29.000 Get the films, the books.

00:58:30.000 Get them out to everybody, because 9-11's only a primer.

00:58:34.000 They're getting ready for even bigger events, unless we expose these creatures.

00:58:38.000 Great job to all the folks running the show, and all our affiliates and sponsors, and you, the listeners.

00:58:43.000 And thanks to God, number one.

00:58:45.000 I'm Alex Jones, signing off.

00:58:46.000 We will expose the terrorists.

Alex Jones Show - February 04, 2003

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