Alex Jones Show - 20030225_Palast_Alex

00:00:00.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents The Alex Jones Show.

00:00:06.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

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00:00:16.000 All right, my friends, I'm Alex Jones, your host, coming to you live from Austin, Texas.

00:00:21.000 And we're joined by award-winning investigative journalist, Greg Pallast of the BBC,

00:00:27.000 who has just been named by a major publication in England as the greatest investigative journalist of all time.

00:00:33.000 He's been doing it for decades, and he exposes the Republicans and the Democrats for their criminal activities, and he's going to break some major news stories here on the show today.

00:00:45.000 And I assure you, we'll get a transcript of it and post it by the end of the week on InfoWars.com.

00:00:53.000 Joining us from the radio studios there in Houston is Gregg Powless, joining us for a full hour.

00:00:59.000 Gregg, great to have you back on the show.

00:01:01.000 Alex, it is a real privilege.

00:01:03.000 You are the bit of light that's breaking through the electronic Berlin Wall.

00:01:08.000 For those who don't know me, I report for BBC Television, which is the major news outlet of the world, except it doesn't come into the U.S., my reports.

00:01:16.000 They're basically blacked out.

00:01:18.000 And so the only way I can kind of get through is if you hear me on Alex Jones and a few courageous radio stations.

00:01:26.000 You've done tremendous work, Alex, and you're right.

00:01:29.000 I'm considered a real annoyance, a pain in the bottom to both the Republicans and Democrats, because I'm an investigative reporter.

00:01:37.000 I have to go after both.

00:01:38.000 And today, the reason I wanted to come out today was to break a bit of news.

00:01:43.000 And especially because today my book is coming out from Penguin Press, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.

00:01:49.000 It comes out just today, and I asked Alex if I could launch the book on his program, not on the usual suspects on the big networks.

00:01:57.000 I think that this is where I want to be.

00:01:59.000 So, it's coming out today, Best Democracy Money Can Buy.

00:02:01.000 It's the real story of the Bush family, Democrats, Republicans.

00:02:05.000 It has everything from 9-11, to theft of the election in Florida, to the World Bank, and IMF secret documents that I've uncovered.

00:02:13.000 I've got brand new stuff.

00:02:14.000 Those of you who had the hard down, this is completely rewritten.

00:02:17.000 It's twice as long.

00:02:18.000 And Greg, I'm not trying to toot my horn or your horn, but the example of what one person can do, people say, well, what can I do?

00:02:25.000 Whoever leaked the Patriot Act to the Justice Department is causing them big problems.

00:02:30.000 The person that, one of our listeners that made a transcript, when you were on the show back on March 4th, that was published in hundreds of newspapers, translated into all these languages.

00:02:40.000 It shows what the alternative media can do.

00:02:43.000 Can you speak to that?

00:02:44.000 That's right.

00:02:44.000 Well, I have to say, I was back in March, I was on your program, and I broke the fact that I had obtained a series of documents marked secret and confidential from inside the IMF.

00:02:56.000 And the World Bank, which basically, nation by nation, laid out plans for reorganizing these nations' economies.

00:03:03.000 They are basically plans for financial coup d'etat in places like Argentina, Bolivia, Tanzania.

00:03:09.000 And needless to say, those are plans which benefited a few New York financiers and a few corporations to their benefit.

00:03:18.000 And the plan detailed how to blow out economies, cause riots, take over the government, and install a new government.

00:03:24.000 And I have to say that our interview ran on the front page of papers in Turkey, Argentina.

00:03:31.000 In fact, it's been translated in something like 40 languages.

00:03:35.000 And I have to tell you that finally the mainstream press is catching up because it's been a year since that broadcast, but this month's Harper's Magazine, which is of course one of the great voices Of New York establishments.

00:03:47.000 It's a terrific journal.

00:03:49.000 They are running that story now with copies of some of the documents.

00:03:52.000 And I have brand new stuff.

00:03:53.000 So Alex, you're a year ahead of the pack.

00:03:56.000 It's going to be all over the place now.

00:03:58.000 But you were the guy who was ahead.

00:03:59.000 It's in the book, by the way.

00:04:01.000 My discussions with you and the newest information.

00:04:05.000 Your files keep coming out.

00:04:07.000 Because I have your hardback.

00:04:08.000 You're saying the new edition coming out in how many languages has our interview?

00:04:14.000 Well, I have your interview in something in 12 languages in the book.

00:04:20.000 In the U.S.

00:04:21.000 edition, I make mention of it.

00:04:22.000 You're acknowledged in the back for the stand-up work that you have done.

00:04:26.000 Wow, I didn't know that.

00:04:27.000 Well, thank you, Greg.

00:04:27.000 That just shows the alternative media can't have an effect.

00:04:31.000 Joe Hendry's the alternative.

00:04:33.000 You've got some new bombshells today.

00:04:35.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:04:36.000 Well, there's a few.

00:04:37.000 One of the stories I broke on BBC television was that before September 11th, f_b_i_ agents and c_i_a_ a agents 0.99

00:04:47.000 told bbc television that they were blocked from investigating

00:04:52.000 certain members of the bin laden family in america who were tied to suspect

00:04:57.000 terrorist organizations and that they could not investigate

00:05:02.000 how do you read in funding about kyle and other terrorist groups and they were

00:05:05.000 very frustrated that they could not

00:05:08.000 through this investigation before september eleventh we have a document

00:05:11.000 showing the investigations were were uh... some of them were

00:05:14.000 uh... political for beginning september thirteenth two thousand

00:05:18.000 And I have to say, you know, I'm not saying, I don't know whether George Bush had any knowledge or pre-knowledge of September 11th or any of that, but what I was investigating, though, was why were the intelligence agencies told to stay away?

00:05:33.000 And now I want to give you a piece of information, Alex, which some of it's in the new book and some of it just will be on your show for the first time today.

00:05:41.000 One of the things I was very concerned about, BBC learned about from two completely separate sources about a meeting in June of 1996 in Paris between Saudi Arabian billionaires, international arms dealers, and the finance arm of Al-Qaeda.

00:05:58.000 And there was a discussion about how much the Saudis would pay to Al-Qaeda and these other so-called charities.

00:06:04.000 that were really fronts for terrorist organizations.

00:06:06.000 The idea was that the Saudis were going to pay off these guys to get out of Saudi Arabia.

00:06:11.000 That was the month that 19 American servicemen were killed in Saudi Arabia when Al-Qaeda blew up the Khobar Towers.

00:06:19.000 So 19 American servicemen were dead.

00:06:21.000 So the Saudis, rather than go after these guys, said, well we'll write them a big check and tell them to go play in Afghanistan. 0.71

00:06:27.000 And I was wondering why the intelligence agents were not free We're not free by the Bush administration to really go after that source of funding.

00:06:36.000 You know, the old rule of investigation is follow the money.

00:06:38.000 If you can't look at Osama Bin Laden's piggy bank, and you can't check out a checking account, you're not going to know what he's up to. 0.85

00:06:46.000 So I found out who was at the meeting.

00:06:49.000 And one guy at the meeting, according to two separate sources, is a Saudi rich Saudi named Sheikh Abdullah Baksh. B-A-K-S-H

00:06:57.000 is usually how it's spelled in English.

00:06:59.000 And he was involved in Harkin in the 70s.

00:07:02.000 Boy, you've got a good memory. You know exactly where it comes from.

00:07:06.000 This guy was supposedly in this meeting about funding al-Qaeda and what we also know is that

00:07:13.000 when George W. Bush was in the oil business, he...

00:07:17.000 He made millions in the oil business, though he never struck oil, but he seemed to strike the pockets of several Saudi sheikhs.

00:07:23.000 Every time he had an oil venture going south, he had one called Arbusto, then another called Spectrum.

00:07:28.000 Finally, those were bought up by Harkin Oil.

00:07:32.000 A Gulf sheikh would come in and put up the money to pull George W. out of the financial fire. 1.00

00:07:40.000 And it was Abdullah Sheikh, Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh, who was the big money helping to refinance Harken Oil and save George W. from basically from bankruptcy in the oil business.

00:07:52.000 And so this is the guy, this is George, you know when our president says there are thousands of people out there trying to kill us and people supporting terror, he might want to look at some of his own business partners.

00:08:02.000 Now isn't he one of the richest people in Saudi Arabia and also bin Laden's older brother was involved in it too right here in Texas.

00:08:09.000 Well, you know, we did have... I haven't been able to get the information on the Texas story.

00:08:14.000 You may have more information on that.

00:08:15.000 What I was concerned about is that there are two members of the Bin Laden family in Washington, D.C., in Virginia Falls, which overlooks the Pentagon. 0.91

00:08:29.000 Abdullah and Omar Bin Laden.

00:08:30.000 Now, we have to be careful, there's lots of Abdullahs and there's lots of Omar Bin Ladens. 1.00

00:08:33.000 The guy had 52... Osama had 52 brothers and sisters, so, you know, it's quite a family.

00:08:39.000 So not all of them, just because they're named Bin Laden or even Abdullah, are suspects.

00:08:43.000 But these two guys, and you had this on your program, because this was from the FBI document 199-I, which is a national security secret document, which agents basically dropped off for us.

00:08:54.000 Because they were upset that they couldn't investigate these guys.

00:08:58.000 And they were fronting an organization called Whammy.

00:09:01.000 And, which sounds very nice, the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, you know, and they do actually support, like, little baseball teams and basketball teams and that type of thing.

00:09:09.000 But, I saw some of their films of their training camp for kids.

00:09:14.000 It was basically recruitment for suicide bombings, recruitment for jihad.

00:09:20.000 This is going on in Florida, by the way.

00:09:22.000 And now it turns out that a member of this organization, headed by, at one point, by Bin Laden, And by the Saudi Royal Family.

00:09:32.000 Turns out to be the conduit for the tapes from Osama Bin Laden to Al Jazeera television.

00:09:37.000 The guy was just arrested in Somalia from Whammy.

00:09:42.000 This is the organization that the FBI wanted to investigate and they were told, back off.

00:09:47.000 And what we have to be concerned about is whether... I'm very concerned whether the Bush family's finances are prejudicing their view of how to conduct foreign policy and how to handle the intelligence community.

00:10:02.000 Well, in early 2001, Wall Street Journal called for the Bushes to get out of the Carlisle Group.

00:10:07.000 Yes, for those who don't know, and if you've been listening to Alex, I'm sure you do know, the Bin Laden family is one of the funders of the Carlisle Group. 0.76

00:10:15.000 This is one of the problems you run into with many things.

00:10:18.000 You were talking about the Homeland Security and USA Patriot Act.

00:10:22.000 One other thing that's coming out in the book, and by the way, if you don't mind me mentioning the book out today, it's the best democracy money can buy, acknowledging the great work of Alex Jones.

00:10:31.000 And to get this word into the U.S.A.

00:10:34.000 Like I say, it's mainstream stuff in the rest of the world, but you know, I'm kind of put out as a pariah on U.S.

00:10:43.000 television.

00:10:43.000 They now admit universal censorship.

00:10:49.000 They're actually telling them, from the nightly newsrooms to the Grammys, no criticism of the Fuhrer. 1.00

00:10:55.000 Well, you know, I've got to tell you, I had Dan Rather on my show in Britain.

00:10:59.000 Another reporter was questioning him, and he said, look, we can't ask the tough questions about September 11th.

00:11:04.000 We can't ask tough questions about the war in Iraq.

00:11:07.000 I know we should.

00:11:09.000 But we just can't do it because I'll be lynched as unpatriotic.

00:11:13.000 And when does questioning become unpatriotic, Alex?

00:11:16.000 It really gets me a bit concerned.

00:11:17.000 Well, Teddy Roosevelt said that was the definition of being patriotic.

00:11:21.000 Well, you know, when you talk about Homeland Security and keeping track of your private finances, whether you own a legal weapon, etc., who is the company making the money off this?

00:11:34.000 Forbes Magazine says that we don't know who's lost the war on terror, but we sure know who's won.

00:11:40.000 It's a company called Choice Point.

00:11:42.000 And you'll find this in the book, which is the best democracy money can buy.

00:11:46.000 And what's interesting about Choice Point, if you remember, I broke a story in BBC, which Alex, you also mentioned, that before the Florida election of 2000, before the presidential election, Catherine Harris and Jeb Bush knocked off 57,000 legal voters off the voter rolls.

00:12:03.000 Um, and it turns out that most of them were black.

00:12:05.000 It's not that they had prejudice against black.

00:12:06.000 They didn't like the fact that they're the color of black voters, which is generally vote Democratic.

00:12:12.000 And, um, who gave them this list of voters?

00:12:15.000 Supposedly they were knocked off because they were felons and evildoers who were not allowed to vote in Florida.

00:12:20.000 Well, it turns out all those people, 90.2% of the people on that list were innocent.

00:12:24.000 And that swung the election.

00:12:25.000 Who came up with that rotten little list?

00:12:27.000 It was a company called Choice Point.

00:12:30.000 Who is the biggest contractor for the War on Terror and Homeland Security for spying on Americans?

00:12:35.000 Choice Point.

00:12:36.000 They picked the President.

00:12:38.000 The President has picked them for the total information awareness business.

00:12:43.000 These guys are, and now they want your blood, Alex.

00:12:46.000 You'll find this in the book, too.

00:12:48.000 There's a company called Bode Technologies.

00:12:51.000 Which has been getting a lot of good airplay because they supposedly find all the kiddies who you see their pictures on the milk cartons, missing children.

00:12:58.000 They try to use DNA samples to find the missing kids.

00:13:02.000 It's a very heartwarming story.

00:13:04.000 And they encourage you to send them, you know, your blood and your DNA and your hair and all that in case your kid gets lost.

00:13:09.000 What they should tell you is that this company, Bode Technologies, is also the biggest contractor to the FBI for supplying their DNA CODIS.

00:13:18.000 Well, that even said, I had one of these individuals connected to the group on the show who had pushed back in the early 90s for a federal law that we all have to give DNA at birth and now it's come out that a lot of those healed blood tests they've been doing, most of the states have now been caught, but they keep doing it.

00:13:36.000 They go, oh, it's a blood test for your baby.

00:13:38.000 They take three ampoules, one goes to the health department, which is for the blood test, one goes to the state, and one to the feds.

00:13:45.000 They've got illegal DNA databases, and again, this is just being done, and it's always shadowy, you know, slash CIA front companies involved in it, as you just mentioned.

00:13:56.000 Well, in fact, this company, Bode Technologies, is 100% owned subsidiary of the company that made Bush president, Choice Point, the same I mean, for picking our president, they've done very well for themselves.

00:14:08.000 While the rest of the stock market's going down the tubes, this company is rising.

00:14:12.000 Well, yeah, look at it.

00:14:13.000 The oil's up, the bank's up, the security, the police state, stocks are all up.

00:14:17.000 This is our new economy as a gulag. 0.90

00:14:20.000 Well, you know, so I have some chapters of who's really winning the war on terror in the book.

00:14:26.000 in the best democracy money can buy and i gotta tell you this you know we've

00:14:29.000 got other problems not only in the bush family is deeply involved with saudi

00:14:34.000 arabia so it's like you know saudi evil here no saudi evil speak no saudi evil which is fine if that helped the

00:14:40.000 interest of the united states

00:14:42.000 but what have to ask when you have fifteen of nineteen hijackers coming from

00:14:45.000 saudi arabia what's really going on here

00:14:49.000 I'm very concerned, and I have to tell you, I spoke to agents, FBI agents, CIA agents, and you know, some of them, you know, those are agencies which have done some pretty strange things that we wish they hadn't done, but there's a lot of guys in there who are really trying to protect America, and not one of them... That's why we're getting all these leaks now.

00:15:07.000 That's right, they're leaking it out, because you know, and not one of them said, Alex, if we didn't have the Bill of Rights, We could have gotten these guys.

00:15:14.000 if we didn't have personal freedom we could have gotten this guy in.

00:15:18.000 Ashcroft and others and George Will are now saying exactly that while they leave the borders wide open.

00:15:23.000 Greg, let me, just for a second, because I know you've got some other news you want to break here and we're honored to

00:15:27.000 have you.

00:15:27.000 Bill Moyers reported on something that MSNBC, that the New Yorker magazine, Fox just mentioned a year ago,

00:15:34.000 that as Kunduz and Kandahar were falling, then it was 6,000, now it's upwards of 8,000.

00:15:40.000 cream of the crop al-qaeda and taliban loaded on government aircraft with ISI flown out to safety, and we know that the Republican Senate report in 1999 said that Al-Qaeda was being funded by Clinton, that means the CIA, to attack the Serbs to start that war.

00:15:58.000 And so here we have the government flying them out, and Bill Moyers, I read part of his transcript yesterday, well they did fly them out, it's just an accident.

00:16:07.000 You start connecting all this together.

00:16:09.000 We know they were CISs in the past. 0.99

00:16:11.000 You start connecting it all together.

00:16:12.000 Greg, I ought to tell you.

00:16:13.000 I know you're a BBC reporter.

00:16:14.000 You can't, you know, go out on a limb here.

00:16:16.000 I do because I have the facts and all of it together.

00:16:18.000 You know, this thing is a giant operation.

00:16:22.000 And, you know, we were kooks to say prior knowledge.

00:16:24.000 That's now admitted fact.

00:16:26.000 I think you've got more than prior knowledge.

00:16:27.000 You've got funding and training.

00:16:28.000 The LA Times reported tens of millions of dollars in early 2001 being sent to the Taliban.

00:16:34.000 The only Taliban leader to be held by our government was the one guy who blew the whistle about 9-1-1.

00:16:40.000 He stayed behind it and he'd be a hero.

00:16:42.000 They grabbed him.

00:16:43.000 He's off at some undisclosed location.

00:16:45.000 Now, they have this top Taliban general, Washington Times reported, CIA ordered his release.

00:16:50.000 I mean, all these pieces together, what do you have to say about that?

00:16:53.000 Well, you know, that's what I'm hunting down, the pieces.

00:16:55.000 I'll let you put it together, Alex.

00:16:57.000 I just provide the dots, you can make the connection.

00:16:59.000 One of the reasons why I believe that the bin Laden connection to this terrorist organization was not hunted down before September 11th. 0.87

00:17:08.000 Our terrorist front organization, or recruiting organization, however you want to call it, is that, as you said, it started really with the Daddy Bush administration and carried through the Clinton administration.

00:17:19.000 Well, what about Larry Klayman got up on national TV and said, we can't tell you what we know, here's a letter threatening to arrest us, he had Robert Wright, the FBI agent, and then he added to all of this, so the Bushes, by the way, vacation with the Bin Laden, that's all I can say. 0.84

00:17:33.000 It's amazing, Greg.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, well, there's, you know, the backing of the Chechens, that's all blowback.

00:17:41.000 I mean, these guys were created by the Bush family.

00:17:44.000 Tell you what, stay there, Greg Palast.

00:17:46.000 Quick break.

00:17:46.000 We've got the IMF stuff, too.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, we've got more new IMF revelations, a bunch of stuff about the election, the CIA military industrial complex takeover.

00:17:55.000 We're joined by Greg Palast.

00:17:57.000 I'm Alex Jones.

00:18:02.000 Alright, the second hour is coming up.

00:18:08.000 And Greg Pallast will be with us for another 35 minutes.

00:18:12.000 We'll be opening the phones up a little bit later.

00:18:15.000 The toll-free number to talk to Greg Palast is 1-800-559-9231.

00:18:22.000 If you'd like to get my documentary films about September 11th or my book, "Descent

00:18:27.000 into Tyranny," just go to InfoWars.com or net.

00:18:32.000 Or call toll-free 1-888-253-3139.

00:18:38.000 That's 888-253-3139 or infowars.com.

00:18:44.000 Greg Pallas' website that we have a link to is gregpallas.com.

00:18:47.000 He has a best-selling book, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, and all this talk about the loving world government, the democracy.

00:18:55.000 It's bad enough we need a constitutional republic, but they're just calling pure tyranny their loving world democracy.

00:19:03.000 And Greg's got a bunch of other bombshell news stories, latest developments to drop on us, and we're honored to have him here with us today.

00:19:12.000 Greg Palast, continuing with the information.

00:19:15.000 Any other key points you want to add?

00:19:17.000 There's several.

00:19:19.000 Like you say, the book just came out today, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, The Hardbound, I think it hit the New York Times Best Seller list because of Alex Jones, because so many of the listeners decided that they needed this information.

00:19:31.000 It shocked everyone.

00:19:32.000 The Times said, where did this book come from?

00:19:35.000 Well, Alex, we know.

00:19:37.000 But the new book is a special U.S.

00:19:38.000 edition.

00:19:39.000 It's double in size of what it was.

00:19:41.000 And one of the new things in there is we're about to go into Iraq.

00:19:45.000 Part of the reason is that Saddam has a bomb, or he has at least a rector set to make one. 0.93

00:19:51.000 And who gave him those components?

00:19:53.000 Yeah, read it right in the book.

00:19:54.000 What you have is we had a defector.

00:19:57.000 That came from Saudi Arabia with 14,000 documents in his possession from the Saudi Arabians.

00:20:04.000 The FBI was offered these documents.

00:20:06.000 This is when Bill Clinton was president.

00:20:08.000 The FBI was offered these documents.

00:20:10.000 They said, no thanks, we're not allowed to look.

00:20:13.000 But I could tell you what was in those documents.

00:20:15.000 one of things with information at the saudi arabian government

00:20:21.000 billion dollars to saddam to build his bomb and that could only

00:20:26.000 happen that happened during the bush reagan and reagan bush

00:20:29.000 administration because at that time to remember we didn't have an access

00:20:32.000 to the we had a unicycle evil iran

00:20:35.000 and the idea was we give saddam the bomb so he could shake it at the iranians we 0.52

00:20:40.000 didn't care if you had a bomb that berserker you know that is very interesting so

00:20:44.000 that's in the book by the way i want that information rumsfeld just one of the black man

00:20:50.000 for that sarin the v_x_ the west nile the anthrax 0.99

00:20:54.000 the botulism for six months over there

00:20:57.000 He also was involved on the board of ABB, transferring nuclear reactors that can produce 100 warheads a year, that we now learn, to North Korea.

00:21:07.000 Well, yeah, it's kind of all war all the time, economy, hoping that that will save our economy.

00:21:12.000 saddam or a story aga it's always somebody they are and then we gotta have

00:21:17.000 our kids march off to death in in this world war three when bush says it's a

00:21:21.000 new hundred-year war well yeah it's kind of all war all the time economy hoping

00:21:26.000 that that will save our economy and you know some of the goofy things that

00:21:30.000 they're doing for example one of the big projects our government is now busting

00:21:37.000 the budget to order three dozen Virginia-class nuclear submarines

00:21:42.000 These were supposed to attack Soviet subs.

00:21:44.000 Well, there aren't any Soviet subs.

00:21:46.000 There's no Soviet Union.

00:21:48.000 So what they're doing is they're making them War on Terror machines to fight the War on Terror.

00:21:52.000 And what they're loading these billion-dollar babies with are torpedoes. 0.84

00:21:57.000 Listen to this one, Alex.

00:21:58.000 You'll love this one.

00:21:59.000 Torpedoes, which will be filled with nine Marines.

00:22:04.000 I don't know where they're going to get the volunteers to go into the torpedo.

00:22:06.000 But this is how they said, here's how you land.

00:22:08.000 We're going to fight the war on terror by landing Marines, Navy SEALs and Marines on the beaches.

00:22:12.000 The Israelis do this type of commando operation. 0.99

00:22:15.000 They use canoes.

00:22:16.000 We're going to use a $1.6 billion submarine to fire torpedoes filled with Navy SEALs.

00:22:21.000 Stay right there, Greg Palast.

00:22:22.000 I want to get back into the World Bank, the IMF, because when you were on this show March 4th, you said there's going to be a coup in the next month, and there was an attempted coup two weeks later, actually a week and a half later.

00:22:33.000 I want to talk about the World Bank, IMF, how they brag of how they're going to destroy all these economies, how they institute the police state, who's really behind all this.

00:22:41.000 It's all coming up and your calls, second hour.

00:22:44.000 i'm out with the other part of the drug palestine for dot com

00:22:51.000 Big Brother.

00:22:54.000 Mainstream media.

00:22:56.000 Government cover-ups.

00:22:57.000 You want answers?

00:22:59.000 Well, so does he.

00:23:01.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:23:05.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:23:13.000 In this e-mail Rick Palos sent me, he said, you're allowing me to speak about the sinister and secretive plans of the IMF World Bank.

00:23:21.000 Have now become mainstream approval.

00:23:23.000 This is my exposure.

00:23:25.000 This is his exposure of Inside Documents from Inside the New World Order will be featured in this month's Harper's Magazine.

00:23:32.000 And then we have the New York Times last week, Richard Bernstein, Nations Seek World Order centered on UN, not US.

00:23:39.000 And it says the meeting was saturated by the World Bank with the heads of Europe.

00:23:44.000 The meeting was saturated with a commitment to what may be viewed as a form of world government, the supervision of countries by international civil service bureaucracy.

00:23:53.000 And this is all run by the World Bank and the IMF, and it's not freedom-loving, it's tyranny-loving.

00:23:59.000 It's the new empire, it's not about left or right, it's about organized crime syndicates.

00:24:05.000 Ladies and gentlemen, and joining us is Greg Hallast, who was just talking about confirmed connections with the Bin Laden family and the Bushes, with the WAMY group being protected in these meetings in the late 1990s, and then Bush protecting these people as well as Clinton doing it, and how all this ties together, and now how the military-industrial complex is winning the war on terror, that is, winning the profits.

00:24:35.000 Uh, the hundreds of millions of dollars of profits, they say it'll be a 1.7 to 1.9 trillion dollars!

00:24:42.000 This is very important.

00:24:44.000 1.7 to 1.9 trillion dollar, five-year occupation and war cost in Iraq.

00:24:48.000 Greg Powell, getting back into the latest revelations on the IMF World Bank documents, they never deny that you got those from a secret source.

00:24:56.000 They just tried to spin it, but it has caused a firestorm.

00:25:00.000 How are they dealing with this now that the evidence came out that they were orchestrating the implosion of economies?

00:25:05.000 Well, what they're doing is once again saying that I'm a conspiracy.

00:25:11.000 I always think it gives the conspirators a good laugh.

00:25:18.000 What's happened is they have a problem in that they vilified me and they vilified the guy who interpreted the documents.

00:25:24.000 He didn't hand me the documents, but he interpreted them.

00:25:26.000 The former chief economist of the World Bank, he knew that these documents were authentic.

00:25:33.000 And his name is Joe Stiglitz, and they got a problem because they were vilifying him as a nutcase and an evil guy, and then he just won the Nobel Prize in Economics.

00:25:40.000 So this is a Nobel Prize winner who said, Alex, that the information we had was authentic.

00:25:45.000 What these are is documents about, some of them are called nicely, politely, country

00:25:50.000 assistance plans, but they direct these nations to give up their resources.

00:25:55.000 For example, in the nation of Ecuador it says that this country could receive no international

00:26:00.000 funds, and just like if you can't go to the bank to get a mortgage, you can't get a house,

00:26:05.000 they were going to cut off their finance unless they met certain what they called conditionalities.

00:26:09.000 One of the conditionalities was that a permit be given to British Petroleum for a pipeline

00:26:16.000 over the Andes, and that they give their gas to British Petroleum.

00:26:19.000 In the case of Argentina, they required the nation to give up its water systems to guess

00:26:23.000 who?

00:26:24.000 A company named Enron.

00:26:25.000 And, you know, who was lobbying for Enron, I discovered, and is brand new to my book.

00:26:30.000 My book, by the way, again came out today, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, the brand

00:26:36.000 new U.S. revised edition.

00:26:37.000 And in this new U.S. edition, I say, who benefited from that World Bank dictate to Argentina

00:26:43.000 to turn over its gas supplies, its oil supplies, and its water supplies to Enron and a couple

00:26:48.000 of other operators?

00:26:50.000 The Public Works Minister of Argentina got a call from a guy named Jeb Bush saying, "Listen,

00:26:58.000 my daddy was just elected President.

00:26:59.000 This was in 1988, and he would appreciate, and it would create good relations with the

00:27:04.000 United States, if you would please give a company named Enron that contract for Argentina's

00:27:11.000 gas." 0.70

00:27:11.000 [BLANK_AUDIO] 0.70

00:27:12.000 And the guy from, the public works minister in Argentina was horrified because Enron was only going to pay one-fifth of the world price for this stuff.

00:27:21.000 What was the Bush family doing getting involved in that?

00:27:24.000 It's amazing, it's criminal, and on top of it, the World Bank IMF documents also state how their actions, grabbing the water, the roads, the fuel, the forest, will cause riots, and how that's good, because then they get to crack down even more.

00:27:38.000 We'll be right back in three minutes with Greg Palast to launch into some of the latest revelations about the IMF-World Bank takeover.

00:27:44.000 Now it's finally breaking in the mainstream news, then your calls.

00:27:47.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.

00:27:54.000 The organization the FBI was blocked from investigating by Clinton and Bush was headed by the U.S.

00:28:02.000 bin Laden family is now unquestionably tied to terrorism.

00:28:07.000 The new book is the best democracy money can buy.

00:28:09.000 It's already a bestseller and now it's in paperback twice the size with a lot of added information coming out in paperback today around the country.

00:28:16.000 We're joined by Greg Palast and coming up in a few minutes we're going to go to your calls, John and Jan and others that are patiently holding the toll-free number to join us on air nationwide is 1-800-259-9231.

00:28:26.000 one eight hundred two five nine nine two three one reactor

00:28:32.000 uh... palestinian back into the i_m_f_ world bank you detail in our interview 0.94

00:28:37.000 march four there would be a coup guaranteed you said you don't

00:28:41.000 again go out on land you've always got to have a documentation how did you know

00:28:45.000 there'd be a crew in the military grabbed me was about to have an accident and suddenly there were riots

00:28:49.000 may have to releasing

00:28:51.000 How did you know that was going to happen?

00:28:53.000 That was the president of Venezuela.

00:28:54.000 Well, it was not much guessing because I know how these guys operate and I was able to get the word from the plotters.

00:29:02.000 And, you know, so I have my hands into both camps.

00:29:06.000 I try to get the information.

00:29:08.000 So it was, it turns out that OPEC got advance warning of what was about to happen.

00:29:16.000 Now the problem that we run into is, you know, no one's looking at Venezuela except for you and a few people.

00:29:22.000 The war is aimed at Iraq, but this is where we get most of our oil.

00:29:26.000 Right. Our oil coming into Texas is heavy Venezuelan crude.

00:29:31.000 It was Venezuela which broke the Arab oil embargo in 1973.

00:29:36.000 And the Bush administration wants to make sure that we have control of Venezuela's oil now.

00:29:40.000 So they keep talking about Iraq.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, so they can keep oil prices high during the war.

00:29:44.000 They don't want Venezuela bringing us cheap crude.

00:29:46.000 They want to rip you off at the pump. 0.99

00:29:48.000 I hope you enjoy it.

00:29:50.000 Heating fuel has doubled in prices.

00:29:52.000 Yeah, well it's gone crazy.

00:29:53.000 And then now, and then also the story about the World Bank.

00:29:56.000 As you know, I went through the documents from the World Bank, Mark's Secret, and one of the things it had in there, it said, well, if we go ahead with these plans, we know, for example, in the case of Ecuador, it says right in the plan, if we go ahead and require you to double the price of cooking gas in Ecuador, because that's the only way you can cook your food in Ecuador, is with bottled gas.

00:30:16.000 So this is like, you know, life and death food out in people's mouths.

00:30:19.000 If you increase the price of food, you increase the price of gasoline, you increase the price of cooking gas, we know that this will create That's what they call social unrest.

00:30:27.000 And when they did that, of course, the social unrest, what they mean by social unrest, I wasn't quite sure.

00:30:31.000 I said, it looks like they think that there's going to be a riot if they impose these plans, and they know it.

00:30:36.000 And Joe Stiglitz, who's the chief economist for the World Bank, so he was the guy on the inside, he says, oh yeah, that's what we call the IMF riot.

00:30:44.000 The riot was written into the plan, and then it says that the government has to respond with With political resolve and strong resolve, they keep using that term.

00:30:53.000 That means troops in the streets.

00:30:55.000 Greg Powell, I just want to go back for a second here.

00:30:57.000 This is so important, we cannot just glaze over this, folks.

00:31:00.000 You've got to listen carefully.

00:31:02.000 They create the climate to create the disaster to offer a police state solution and then before that they don't want this Venezuelan crude coming into the country to keep prices down. 0.94

00:31:13.000 They want a staged war where they'll make massive profits on increased gas prices.

00:31:19.000 This is total criminal activity.

00:31:22.000 Well, you know what's happening is that also Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, has been vilified by the liberal press, by the right press, the establishment press.

00:31:32.000 He's a guy who just says, look, we're poor brown people down here, and we need a few extra bucks.

00:31:38.000 And he's, as his minister told me, he's the dissenter from the New World Order, and they can't let him stay in office. 1.00

00:31:45.000 I have to kill him. They have to get rid of him now because he said no to these plans. 0.99

00:31:51.000 The IMF comes to you and the World Bank guys, they fly in their teams, they stay at the

00:31:54.000 big intercontinental hotels and the five star hotels and then they dictate their plans an

00:31:59.000 average of 114 conditions, an average, to each nation's finance minister. And they have

00:32:05.000 a pre-written document with a place for his signature.

00:32:09.000 So they say it's voluntary.

00:32:10.000 It's voluntary, like, you know, there's a financial gun to this guy's head.

00:32:14.000 Well, it's like Don Carleone in The Godfather, an offer you can't refuse.

00:32:17.000 Right.

00:32:17.000 And so, of course, they sign off.

00:32:19.000 Usually these plans are kept secret, or partly secret, and people only see the effects.

00:32:24.000 Suddenly the prices of gasoline or oil rise, and suddenly food prices rise.

00:32:29.000 People don't know what's going on, or their pensions are cut.

00:32:31.000 Last week in Bolivia, 35 people were killed because the IMF ordered.

00:32:35.000 The IMF ordered an increase, a massive increase in taxes on working people

00:32:42.000 there.

00:32:42.000 And while they cut salaries, people couldn't afford it.

00:32:45.000 The taxes were bigger than their salaries, so they rioted.

00:32:48.000 But the IMF knew there was going to be a riot.

00:32:49.000 Like you say, riots have their value because then that allows the reaction.

00:32:54.000 We've caught them at demonstrations here, the feds in Seattle hiring provocateurs,

00:33:00.000 housing them, so sometimes they provocateur it as well.

00:33:04.000 But people in the third world are starting to get wind of this because of your writings and work and because of the transcripts that went worldwide and in hundreds of newspapers as you said.

00:33:15.000 The thing that folks have to understand here is they're doing it here in another fashion, and they're telling police, and I'm getting this all over the country, Greg, that they're going to engineer a major financial implosion here, and that they've been issuing riot gear and riot training, and I'm not kidding, Humvees with microwave guns, And the Sunshine Project reported helicopters with knockout gas.

00:33:40.000 I mean, it is an insane police state they're setting up for an engineer collapse here.

00:33:45.000 Are you getting that from your sources?

00:33:48.000 What I'm getting is, I haven't looked at the police side of it.

00:33:51.000 What I'm looking at is the intelligence side.

00:33:53.000 What's breaking down now, for example, I talked about the company getting the DNA samples.

00:33:57.000 They say, well, we don't, this is private, we don't turn it over to government.

00:34:00.000 Choice Point, the company that fix the election in Florida, says we have 20 billion pieces

00:34:05.000 of data on Americans, and that is supposed to be private data, but under the USA

00:34:10.000 Patriot Act, every little bit of that information is suddenly opened without a search warrant for

00:34:15.000 the first time in American history, without a search warrant.

00:34:18.000 That gives liability protection to the companies doing the DNA and other data mining.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, and so this data mining, which is done without search warrants.

00:34:27.000 They can go through your private records now for the very first time.

00:34:29.000 So when these companies say it's all private, no it ain't.

00:34:32.000 Not under the new law, it ain't.

00:34:33.000 And that's one of the big problems.

00:34:35.000 And I gotta tell you, agents aren't saying we need that to capture the bad guys.

00:34:39.000 They know where the bad guys are.

00:34:41.000 They just want to be able to use the laws that already exist.

00:34:44.000 other on the one you're there on c_ one thirty getting blown out of canada are

00:34:47.000 you know and i gotta tell you is that the uh...

00:34:50.000 uh... you know when you look at who's doing the data mining there's a company

00:34:53.000 called in tech which was hired

00:34:56.000 which is given up big fat contract by john poindexter whose head of the

00:35:00.000 total information awareness Who's the convicted felon?

00:35:03.000 By the way, five felony convictions.

00:35:05.000 Well, they were all returned on technicalities, Alex, I have to say.

00:35:07.000 But you've got a guy who's running our spy agencies who has five felony convictions.

00:35:12.000 Yes, they were overturned on technicalities, but it was serious.

00:35:14.000 By a political judge?

00:35:16.000 Yeah, so what's happened is that this is the guy in charge.

00:35:18.000 The company Syntec, which is getting the big contracts to do the data mining on Americans, Was the Senior Vice President until recently was John Poindexter, the guy in charge of Total Information Awareness.

00:35:31.000 These guys are like building each other their own companies.

00:35:35.000 Greg, have you read the new Patriot Act?

00:35:38.000 Just part of it.

00:35:38.000 It's so big and so mind-boggling.

00:35:40.000 Well, I read all of it.

00:35:41.000 I wrote an analysis on InfoWars.com if you want to pick it up on your site so all of your millions of viewers can distribute it.

00:35:50.000 I've read the whole thing and it's been picked up by quite a few papers have asked for permission to reprint.

00:35:54.000 I read it when it first came out three weeks ago.

00:35:58.000 It turned out there was a Senate version, S-22, already introduced.

00:36:01.000 And so now Ashcroft and his minions are out promoting it.

00:36:05.000 This thing says that they can grab American citizens for any reason, secretly, hold them in detention camps, and not even tell anyone that they were grabbed.

00:36:14.000 I know.

00:36:15.000 In fact, you know, there's an organization which sued the U.S.

00:36:18.000 government and simply asked for a list of people being held in detention.

00:36:21.000 Not even asking for open trial, simply asking for the list of those who were held in detention.

00:36:26.000 And, you know, the government has just dragged its feet.

00:36:28.000 I mean, you know, I'm very concerned that there are two things.

00:36:33.000 One, like I say, there are those people who are connected financially to the Bush family who seem to be getting a nice free ride on investigations, and yet they're Americans.

00:36:42.000 We don't know who they are, because we can't get the list.

00:36:45.000 And we don't even know how many.

00:36:46.000 I'm very concerned about this.

00:36:47.000 I know you are, and it's just a personal question of, you know, our civil liberties.

00:36:51.000 I've just moved... I have had to report these stories on BBC television, which goes all over the planet.

00:36:57.000 But I've just moved my family back to the United States.

00:36:59.000 I want my kids to be Americans, but I want them to have an America that, you know, I learned about in school, you know, freedom of speech and, you know, the government, you know, doesn't snoop around your home or your bank accounts or go into your underwear drawer.

00:37:11.000 Well, I just want to point out, they're saying all this, they're saying more attacks are coming, and that will generalize Patriot Act 2.

00:37:17.000 Now we're hearing about Patriot Act 3.

00:37:20.000 And while they leave the borders wide open, Greg, let's take some calls.

00:37:23.000 John in Florida, you're on the air with Greg Powell.

00:37:25.000 Let's go ahead, John.

00:37:27.000 Thank you for taking my call.

00:37:28.000 Thank you for all your hard work, Joe, and both of you.

00:37:29.000 I mean that very sincerely.

00:37:31.000 My question is going to be directed to something that happened many years ago, but Greg, maybe you can give some light on this, is what happened to the Well, Clark Clifford, the author of the National Security Act that made the government go secret, I've talked to Greg.

00:37:46.000 BCCI is involved, aren't they?

00:37:47.000 has been recycled in some way shape or form into these institutions that you speak of.

00:37:52.000 Well Clark Clipper, the author of the National Security Act that made the government go secret,

00:37:56.000 I've talked to Greg, and BCCI is involved, aren't they, the same players?

00:38:00.000 Yeah, Khalid Bin Mahfouz was the principal of BCCI, which is the bank of, it's a Saudi

00:38:07.000 Arabian bank, BCCI. 0.81

00:38:09.000 Its nickname was those banks of crooks and criminals.

00:38:13.000 But it was a huge international operation, which was basically a giant money laundering operation for everything from crime to terrorism.

00:38:20.000 Thank you.

00:38:21.000 And the Bushes and everybody were involved.

00:38:23.000 Well, Khalid Bin Mahfouz, remember I just told you about how Bush's partner, according to two sources, was at this meeting in which Al Qaeda funding was discussed in Paris in 96.

00:38:33.000 Uh, one of the other people in that room, according to two sources, Khalid Bin Mahfouz of BCCI.

00:38:39.000 So, it's, you know, it's the same crew and, you know, look, I can't blame George Bush for these guys having some secret meeting.

00:38:46.000 Uh, you know, he wasn't invited as far as I know, but, you know, the FBI and CIA would really like to follow up on these things so we can find out what these characters are up to.

00:38:56.000 Anything else, John?

00:38:57.000 The BCCI hasn't talked about it enough.

00:39:01.000 We're talking about up-to-date stuff.

00:39:03.000 I just want to throw that in there.

00:39:05.000 Yeah, BCCI technically has now collapsed and taken billions of dollars down the rat hole.

00:39:11.000 But the principles of this operation... They always blow off their fronts, whether it's BCCI or Enron.

00:39:17.000 Thank you, Alex.

00:39:18.000 Thank you, John.

00:39:19.000 We'll come back and talk to others with our guest, Greg Palast.

00:39:23.000 A new book just came out today, Best Democracy Money Can Buy, doubled in size.

00:39:28.000 The hardback was a bestseller.

00:39:29.000 Website's gregpalast.com.

00:39:31.000 We have a link to that at infowars.com.

00:39:34.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

00:39:36.000 Final segment with Greg Palast.

00:39:38.000 Your calls and other key news items.

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00:40:12.000 Good morning, Alex and Greg.

00:40:13.000 It's still morning in Montana.

00:40:14.000 We're talking to Greg Palast, we've only got time for a couple more calls and any other

00:40:18.000 comments he wants to make.

00:40:20.000 Let's talk to Jan in Montana.

00:40:24.000 You're on the air, welcome.

00:40:25.000 Good morning Alex and Greg.

00:40:27.000 It's still morning in Montana.

00:40:30.000 My question is, my comment is, there's a name that I've been waiting for Alex to hit on

00:40:35.000 hard and heavy this week and I was wondering what Greg Palast has heard about it or any

00:40:40.000 information.

00:40:42.000 All Arianne, I thought would be a huge chapter in your case against 9-1-1, Alex.

00:40:49.000 We have a, we printed a picture about a year ago when O'Reilly says he broke the story on All Arianne, the professor from Florida.

00:40:57.000 And it turns out he's been hanging out with Bush and these other organizations.

00:41:01.000 Greg, any comments on that?

00:41:03.000 Yeah, I just started looking at this.

00:41:06.000 You know, the question is whether there was some, also donations again to The Bush family.

00:41:11.000 It's definitely a line of investigation.

00:41:14.000 Once again, you know, where is the American press?

00:41:17.000 I mean, I can't do it all.

00:41:19.000 I'd like my brothers in the American press to be looking at this before the arrests are made.

00:41:25.000 And what's even more dangerous is when the arrests aren't made at all.

00:41:29.000 It's a very complex business, and I just feel like the U.S.

00:41:33.000 press has just completely fallen down.

00:41:36.000 They won't talk about a Miami Herald report, and with just a few others, that for the three days that all air traffic was shut down, locked down, there were jets leaving Miami and jets leaving Boston Logan full of Bin Ladens. 1.00

00:41:49.000 Well, you know, I know that at least after the air traffic control limit was lifted, there was a charter jet which moved some of the members of the Bin Laden family out. 0.96

00:42:02.000 And remember, they're not terrorists just because their name is Bin Laden.

00:42:06.000 The thing is that FBI agents have wanted to Well, why were they allowed to leave and nobody else could?

00:42:13.000 Well, um, I think that it was still, they had a special charter supposedly on the grounds that, you know, being bin Laden, that they might be attacked by angry Americans. 0.98

00:42:22.000 Though, you know, Americans are not that dumb. 0.97

00:42:24.000 They don't just take someone's last name and attack them. 0.99

00:42:27.000 We haven't had any concept of that.

00:42:30.000 And in fact, the two guys that the FBI was looking for left even before September 11th, Abdullah and Omar.

00:42:35.000 That was the real tragedy, is that those guys had a few questions to ask.

00:42:39.000 What about the insider trading?

00:42:40.000 You know, that was traced back to some of the airlines themselves, and of course to some of the CIA people.

00:42:46.000 That I haven't been able to look into.

00:42:47.000 You know, like I say, we need a more active American press.

00:42:52.000 Dan Razor, when he was on my show, said, look, we can't ask tough questions.

00:42:58.000 Art in Kansas, you're on the air.

00:43:00.000 Go ahead, Art.

00:43:01.000 Last caller, Art, you're on the air.

00:43:03.000 If you are aware of the connection of the Bushes with the Eli Lilly Company...

00:43:08.000 Oh yeah, well of course, there is a financial connection between the Republican administration now.

00:43:15.000 And throwing out over a thousand lawsuits over autism being directly linked to their vaccine additive.

00:43:21.000 That's right.

00:43:23.000 And in fact, I'm also here in Houston, Texas, where I'm talking from, and one of the big dangers we have to look out for in terrorism is attack on our chemical plants.

00:43:33.000 And what, for example, if you live within two miles of the giant Exxon refinery here and you have a pentane release, anyone within two miles is going to have their skin burned off.

00:43:46.000 There's 7,000 people living in that vulnerability zone.

00:43:50.000 And there are two ways to fix that problem.

00:43:52.000 First, you can make the plant safer and more secure.

00:43:55.000 Or second, you can simply I have a newsletter here from Robert Chapman.

00:43:59.000 He says Bush's budget director, Mitch Daniels, formerly worked at Lilly.

00:44:01.000 that's what they've done for exxon, they've now blocked all the EPA records so you don't

00:44:07.000 know what the danger is.

00:44:08.000 If you're living in vulnerability zones, you're still as vulnerable.

00:44:12.000 I have a newsletter here from Robert Chapman.

00:44:15.000 He says Bush's budget director, Mitch Daniels, formerly worked at Lilly.

00:44:20.000 The CEO, Sidney Terrell, sits on the Presidential Homeland Security Council.

00:44:26.000 And Bush Sr. sat on the Eli Lilly board.

00:44:29.000 And the new Federal Trade Commission guy is a Skull and Bones member.

00:44:32.000 Thanks for the call, Art.

00:44:33.000 I tell you, it's one big happy family, isn't it, Greg?

00:44:36.000 Yeah, what I'm worried about is the money poisoning of our political system.

00:44:40.000 It's not a case of one party or another.

00:44:42.000 What I'm worried about, and the reason I call the book The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, it looks like we're holding auctions Auctions, not elections.

00:44:49.000 And the question is, what are these donations buying?

00:44:53.000 That is a very, very big problem.

00:44:55.000 In fact, let me end with one final thing, Alex.

00:44:59.000 Who won the last Gulf War? 0.65

00:45:01.000 After the last Gulf War, remember we were promised democracy in Kuwait.

00:45:05.000 I'm still waiting for the election returns from Kuwait, from that little royal dictatorship. 0.98

00:45:09.000 But who did win?

00:45:10.000 I'll tell you.

00:45:11.000 Chevron Oil.

00:45:12.000 After Poppy Bush left the White House, or he was removed by two-thirds of the American electorate, after he left the White House, he wrote a letter to the Emirate asking Kuwait to give Chevron Oil an oil concession.

00:45:24.000 The ex-President of the United States, the guy who saved their Rolls Royces, asked them to give Chevron Oil.

00:45:31.000 They did that, and his son got half a million bucks into his campaign kitty.

00:45:36.000 Unbelievable.

00:45:37.000 Thanks for joining us, Greg Pallast, and good luck with your new book, and I appreciate you coming on the show and your great work.

00:45:43.000 Alex, you're the best.

00:45:44.000 Truth to power.

00:45:46.000 All right, thank you very much.

00:45:48.000 There goes Greg Pallast.

00:45:49.000 All right, I'm going to come back, get into all the other news, a bunch of news.

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Alex Jones Show - February 25, 2003

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