Alex Jones Show - 20030305_Icke_Alex

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00:00:49.000 torture chemical weapons to be used in iraq uh... reeducation centers for women

00:00:54.000 and children women and children to be killed if they try to flee 0.62

00:00:58.000 msnbc and the sickening 0.99

00:01:01.000 brainwashed population is being turned into what their masters are 1.00

00:01:06.000 A mirror image of demonic creatures.

00:01:11.000 This is the warping of society, turning evil into good, and good into evil, black into white, white into black.

00:01:18.000 This is the mass mind control.

00:01:20.000 But there is an awakening taking place globally, across political lines, across national lines, to the New World Order, and just how evil these people are.

00:01:32.000 They are the masters of engineering societies.

00:01:36.000 For the next two hours, we're joined by David Icke.

00:01:40.000 He is a best-selling author, former BBC reporter, famous soccer player.

00:01:49.000 And about 98% of what he has to say is totally documented, up one side and down the other.

00:01:54.000 2% I have a problem with, but we're honored to have him on the show, joining us from the United Kingdom, and this should be a very eventful broadcast.

00:02:06.000 David, thanks for taking time out to join us on the show, sir.

00:02:11.000 You see, which is now known as the Blair Broadcasting Corporation, because of its support for him over the years.

00:02:18.000 Unfortunately for him, he's having a real problem here now.

00:02:20.000 Persuading the British people that they should go and kill innocent people, which is a real good sign that awakening's underway. 0.98

00:02:28.000 David, we didn't have you faded up right there at the start.

00:02:30.000 Can you start over what you were saying about Blair and BBC?

00:02:32.000 I just said that the BBC is known in Britain now as the Blair Broadcasting Corporation.

00:02:37.000 Because it's been pretty much a propaganda tool for him for some time.

00:02:41.000 He's got a Labour supporter as Director General, he's got a Labour supporter and funder as Chairman, and it's just been taking the government line for a long time now.

00:02:52.000 His job is to bring England into the Euro and destroy sovereignty, correct?

00:02:58.000 Absolutely right.

00:02:58.000 I mean, I wrote in a book some years ago that one of the things that Blair was being brought into was to bring us into the Euro.

00:03:07.000 Because, I mean, as you've talked about, and many people that have researched this have talked about, the agenda for the global fascist state includes a global currency.

00:03:17.000 And of course, if you go from where we are now to a single currency in one leap, Then people look up and say, hold on, what's going on here?

00:03:27.000 So you do it in stepping stones, as this is how they've unfolded the agenda over the decades and more.

00:03:34.000 And so the euro is the stepping stone to the world currency.

00:03:37.000 And of course, the British people have We've been very adverse to accepting it and so other European countries, France, Germany and the Netherlands have gone into it first.

00:03:49.000 But Blair's job is to bring the British people into it and he will do it in the way that we were stuck in the European Union to start with.

00:03:57.000 They have what they call a democratic vote, a national referendum, but what they do is put millions and millions of pounds behind the do what we want camp And the others have to scratch around and get funded wherever they can with donations, and it's a completely unequal debate, and that's what they're planning for the Euro.

00:04:19.000 Well, David Icke, of course, in much of Europe, people were not allowed to vote on it, and I want to go over your unique, and you are very well researched and truly insightful on the subject of the New World Order, I want to go over your view of history of the new world order, how old it is,

00:04:37.000 what it goes back into, the things we can prove, and then what life will be like under

00:04:42.000 the new world order if they succeed and what you see happening in the next few years,

00:04:47.000 your predictions, and then any other sectors of this discussion, you can lead us where

00:04:53.000 you'd like to go.

00:04:54.000 Deb will open the phones up for callers later in this hour.

00:04:57.000 Stay with us, David.

00:04:58.000 We'll be right back.

00:04:59.000 This is Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

00:05:04.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:05:08.000 Alright, it's eight minutes into the hour.

00:05:11.000 We've got David Icke.

00:05:15.000 Next part on the New World Order, very insightful author, former BBC broadcaster, professional soccer player, you could say football player.

00:05:26.000 Joining us, and I agree with about 98% of what David has to say, again the word is insightful.

00:05:34.000 The word is, tying it together, great analysis, and we're going to talk about the history of the New World Order, what their total plan is, what life will be like under this Matrix-like system if we don't defeat it.

00:05:47.000 And I also want to get into Bohemian Grove and the satanic nature of the New World Order because I didn't believe this just five years ago.

00:05:54.000 I had to go investigate it myself with my own eyeballs.

00:05:58.000 It is true But they're predators, and it's the religion of predators.

00:06:05.000 David, where would you like to begin your presentation with this listenership?

00:06:10.000 Well, Alex, I think I can bring in what you've just been talking about quite early on here.

00:06:15.000 If I just give a brief summary of where I went with this.

00:06:19.000 First of all, when I was a journalist, and for a short time, I was actually a national spokesman for the British Green Party back in the 80s, which was very important for me.

00:06:28.000 I didn't stay long because once I saw politics as it worked on the inside, you know, I was throwing up symbolically.

00:06:35.000 I just wanted to get out.

00:06:36.000 But what it did was show me what an irrelevance politics is and how, and this was really what got me thinking, is how people who were hurling abuse at each other in public debate and on television, We're actually anything but like that behind the scenes.

00:06:54.000 And I started to realize that there was a there were connections between apparently unconnected indeed even antagonistic people in politics that I really hadn't seen before.

00:07:05.000 And what happened is I started to research the nature of the way the world is manipulated today much of along the lines of what appears on your website and on this show.

00:07:16.000 And I started to realize the The structure through which a few could control the world through structures that can be symbolized as pyramids, compartmentalized pyramids where the vast majority of people

00:07:29.000 Who are working in the banking system or the political system, what have you, and in the military and the media are actually compartmentalized from the knowledge of what those organizations are really being used for.

00:07:41.000 It's what intelligence agencies and stuff like that call the need to know.

00:07:46.000 They only know enough to do their job and make their contribution.

00:07:51.000 Only the few at the top of the pyramid, at the capstone, really know how all these apparently innocent contributions lower down the pyramid fit together to create anything but an innocent picture and an innocent pattern in the way that the world is going.

00:08:08.000 If I could jump in, in one of your videos, a very revealing comment you made was about visiting Europe, a Bilderberg Group meeting, and you come face-to-face on that road with that police officer, a nice man, yarding the people that literally would like to suck the blood right out of the veins of his children.

00:08:27.000 Can you describe that story?

00:08:29.000 Yeah, what happened was that, as coincidence would have it, someone invited me, a friend, to have a week's holiday with my family in southern Switzerland, and just around the time that that happened, or just after, I got a round-robin letter from what was then known as the Spotlight newspaper, saying that this is where the Bilderberg meeting is this year, and it was In Switzerland, and anyone in that area is invited to come along.

00:08:58.000 So, of course, I went along.

00:09:01.000 I went along about two days before it started, and it was the top of this mountain, three hotels all owned by the same people.

00:09:09.000 It was clear that something was happening already.

00:09:13.000 There were people with badges on, and there were security people, and there were fences going up.

00:09:18.000 And I had a sniff around and then left, and then I came back.

00:09:22.000 on the last day of the, I think it was a five day meeting that year,

00:09:26.000 and suddenly I met a roadblock, literally as you turned onto the road to go towards the mountain.

00:09:34.000 This is a very long distance from where the hotels and the meeting were actually taking place.

00:09:39.000 And there was this guy on the roadblock in this massive orange coat with Swiss police on the back.

00:09:45.000 And I just talked to him.

00:09:46.000 Nice man, like you say.

00:09:48.000 What's going on up here?

00:09:49.000 Why can't I go? 0.96

00:09:50.000 Playing the ignorant. 0.98

00:09:52.000 And he hadn't got a clue. 0.88

00:09:54.000 He just said that there is an event going on, there's a meeting going on here, and people are not allowed to go on the mountain until it's over, and he was told that it would be breaking up towards the end of that afternoon.

00:10:07.000 He hadn't got a clue.

00:10:08.000 And this is, as you rightly point out, this is how the pyramid works.

00:10:13.000 The vast majority of people who are playing their part, pushing the world towards this global centralized fascist state, have either no idea they're doing so, or no idea of the consequences of doing so.

00:10:27.000 and this is how a few, because at the real peak, compared with the global population,

00:10:31.000 as you know, it's a very few, can actually manipulate the masses to imprison themselves.

00:10:38.000 They are actually manipulating the prisoners to build their own prison and stand on the gates

00:10:44.000 of the prison. We're guarding and controlling each other under that manipulation.

00:10:50.000 That's what the war on terror is all about.

00:10:52.000 The globalists create the fear, and then we imprison ourselves, and it gets us behind their system, adding incredible power, turning the puny globalists into a juggernaut.

00:11:03.000 Exactly.

00:11:03.000 And when I kind of started to realize all this, because I'm kind of one of these kind of illogical people, I like to see the structure in which something works, and then I can start to pin things on it and add more detail to it.

00:11:14.000 But once I realized that's how they did it, and I saw how they were controlling the institutions of society, all the major institutions that control society, the media, the finances, the politics, etc.

00:11:28.000 I asked a simple question, which was starting to take as It was clear to anyone with a brain cell that this was not something that could be put together in a few years, or even 50 years.

00:11:41.000 This force that was manipulating and created the structure had to go back a very long time.

00:11:48.000 And you don't have to go back very far to realize that these institutions of the free society have not actually been infiltrated by this force, this Illuminati, they were actually structured from the start to give the illusion of freedom while

00:12:05.000 fundamentally taking it away.

00:12:07.000 Because people who are in a prison cell with bars they can see know where they are and

00:12:14.000 their desire for freedom will motivate them to try to get out of it.

00:12:19.000 Let me throw a small example of this in.

00:12:21.000 I've read some of the published policy reports, the few that are out there.

00:12:24.000 A hundred years ago, the British Empire was getting a lot of heat because their flag was flying over all these capitals, but after World War II, they shifted their policy with the round table grips to taking their flag down, putting a dictator in, a strong man, or a group of plutocrats that looked Exactly how they did it.

00:12:44.000 It's what I call the prison without the bars.

00:12:46.000 in some cases ten to twenty times the corruption and abuse

00:12:51.000 if they thought that it was their country and they were still free

00:12:54.000 uh... is that an example exactly how they did it is what i call the prison

00:12:59.000 without the bars uh... you give people the illusion that they're free and it

00:13:03.000 is an illusion to the point where

00:13:07.000 designated as a free country if people have the right to put a cross or whatever next to a name every four or five

00:13:14.000 years and between the copies complete control of what those

00:13:17.000 people do in the name of the people who voted them in

00:13:20.000 Or in the case of George Bush, it doesn't even go that far anymore.

00:13:22.000 You know, they put him in whatever.

00:13:26.000 The prison without the bars, where people think they're free, that is the ultimate prison, Alex, as we know, because people will sit in that prison indefinitely because they don't think there's a prison to get out of.

00:13:39.000 it's the ultimate illusion of being in a prison while thinking you're free.

00:13:42.000 And that's exactly the way they have evolved the original in your face

00:13:47.000 dictatorships to create this dictatorship that most people can't see.

00:13:53.000 So I went back and back and back. I, I, the, the theme of this manipulation went back to people like the

00:14:00.000 Knights Templar back at the time of the crusades and the 1200s in in the

00:14:05.000 Middle East.

00:14:06.000 And I kept going back and eventually, and this is not the start,

00:14:09.000 it's just a point where I picked it up. Eventually I'm thousands of years BC.

00:14:14.000 before I'm picking up, back in Babylon and what have you, before I'm picking up any kind of point where you can say, hey, this is not a starting point, but it's a place where you can pick it up.

00:14:25.000 And then David, then I go to Bohemian Grove and they're calling it the Owl of Babylon of Goodly Tire.

00:14:32.000 They are always staking their history on that.

00:14:35.000 That's their symbol.

00:14:37.000 Their symbol is Egypt.

00:14:38.000 The pyramid, the all-seeing eye, it's all around us.

00:14:43.000 And this really is, I guess, the science of controlling populations.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, and I can tie together the Bohemian Grove and what we've been talking about in this way.

00:14:54.000 I have a completely open mind.

00:14:57.000 I let information be my guide.

00:14:59.000 I don't have a belief system to defend.

00:15:01.000 I'm just interested in what's going on and communicating that information so people have an alternative reality to the one that's constantly pounding their minds through the Mainstream media.

00:15:12.000 And a number of things started to become clear.

00:15:15.000 First of all, the kind of rituals, as you rightly point out, that are being done by the elite of today.

00:15:21.000 I mean, the famous people that are telling us, out of compassion and humanity, we must go and bomb innocent people in Iraq. 0.99

00:15:29.000 They're doing the same kind of rituals as your secret filming of Bohemian Grove confirmed.

00:15:35.000 These people were doing back in Babylon.

00:15:39.000 And indeed are doing all over the world today and long time past.

00:15:44.000 The idea that human sacrifice is some kind of aberration of history when we weren't kind of civilized like we are now, I'm sorry, that is an illusion.

00:15:53.000 It's still going on and it's still going on on a scale that staggered me.

00:15:57.000 It wasn't it was going on, Alex, that really took me aback.

00:16:00.000 It was the scale of it that I started to uncover.

00:16:03.000 So here we have the elite of today, Doing the same kind of sacrificial rituals that the elite of ancient Babylon were doing.

00:16:12.000 So, what, how do you fill the gap in between?

00:16:14.000 Well, what started to happen is I started to realize, um, was I pulled together genealogical research, um, from many different sources of American presidents and the royal families of Europe and the aristocracy of Europe.

00:16:27.000 The bloodline, yeah.

00:16:28.000 And I started to realize also that These Illuminati families are obsessively into breeding with each other, and always have.

00:16:37.000 Now, when... We've got a break, David.

00:16:40.000 We've got a break.

00:16:41.000 We'll be right back with David Icke.

00:16:44.000 How many of you knew that Reuters had reported that the entire Bush family, on both sides, is related to the Saxe-Coburts, the German roll family of England?

00:16:55.000 We'll be right back, stay with us.

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00:17:32.000 A little bit later in the shower, I'll ask David Icke about Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin.

00:17:40.000 I believe David Icke's analysis about Benjamin Franklin.

00:17:44.000 We know he was a British agent.

00:17:45.000 We know he died in England.

00:17:47.000 You know, they dug some interesting things out of the bottom of his house a few years ago that got little or no attention.

00:17:51.000 It wasn't a few of the major British papers.

00:17:54.000 But the Thomas Jefferson thing, I'm not sure about that.

00:17:58.000 That's one of the points that I want to bring up.

00:17:59.000 But David, you were continuing with these bloodlines of the Illuminati, which are clearly there.

00:18:06.000 And you have the world's royalty admittedly saying that the head of the world's royalty is England, whether it's the Japanese or the Arabs or the Dutch.

00:18:17.000 They're all connected.

00:18:19.000 And please continue.

00:18:22.000 Well, if you go back to Babylon and that ancient era, you had bloodlines put into positions of royal ruling power, and who claimed the right to rule because of their descendants from the gods, or God, the divine right to rule.

00:18:41.000 And I started to wonder, hold on, what is this divine right to rule, which I'll come to in a second.

00:18:47.000 So as you follow the bloodlines of the ruling royal elite of that ancient time, you can

00:18:53.000 follow their bloodline up into Europe, where it became the aristocracy and royal families

00:18:58.000 of Europe, which of course ran Europe, which was controlling vast areas of the world for 0.86

00:19:04.000 a very long time.

00:19:05.000 And through the empires of Europe, not least the British Empire, the French too, but particularly

00:19:11.000 the British, these bloodlines were exported all over the world to the Americas, to Australia, 0.51

00:19:18.000 to Africa, etc.

00:19:21.000 And what happened, and again this comes up to what we talked about earlier, the movement

00:19:26.000 from the in-your-face dictatorship, colonial rule in this case from Britain, and the British

00:19:31.000 Empire, to a...

00:19:33.000 (sniffles)

00:19:34.000 An apparently free country, but it's still controlled covertly.

00:19:39.000 There was a movement which appeared on the surface to be these empires pulling back from their control of these countries, colonial rule, and giving, quote, independence to these former colonies.

00:19:51.000 What happened, in fact, is that only happened on the surface.

00:19:56.000 What was left behind in these countries were the bloodline and the secret society network through which this bloodline manipulates itself into power.

00:20:07.000 And those bloodlines and those secret society networks have gone on manipulating these Apparently free countries ever since, like the United States and others around the world.

00:20:17.000 David, I want to go back to something, and then we'll get back into the line you're on here, because when you started the show, you brought up how you got involved in politics, you were a BBC broadcaster, you know, famous soccer player, and you're getting involved and you find out that the equivalent of your Republicans and Democrats, you know, Labor and the Tories, are fighting with each other out in the open, It's Shakespearean theater, but behind the scenes, they're voting the same.

00:20:42.000 They're going along with each other.

00:20:43.000 They're all buddies playing golf.

00:20:45.000 It's the same thing here.

00:20:47.000 Bush is gun-grabbing, open borders, signing onto U.N.

00:20:50.000 deals, biggest government ever, destroying sovereignty.

00:20:54.000 You try to tell the average conservative that he's a good person, they will try to deny it when faced with it, they go, well, at least he's not Bill Clinton.

00:21:02.000 So it's form over substance.

00:21:06.000 What you find when you study this is that they will debate and argue over things that are not absolutely relevant to the movement, the incessant movement to the global fascist state.

00:21:21.000 In other words, the constant centralization of power.

00:21:25.000 Sovereign nations giving more and more power away to global institutions.

00:21:29.000 They'll talk about what judge is going to get appointed for 10,000 hours.

00:21:33.000 But when you study it, when the key votes come on key elements to advance this new world order, centralized global state, they vote together.

00:21:47.000 And so we have the illusion, because fundamental to the illusion of being free, While not being so, is to give the illusion that there is free debate going on and people actually have a choice.

00:22:01.000 One of the great things, Alex, that is happening now, certainly in this country, is people are starting to see this.

00:22:09.000 Again and again you hear this line, it doesn't matter who you vote for, nothing ever changes.

00:22:14.000 And one of the ways that this works, that it's so obvious in Britain, and I'm sure it is in America,

00:22:20.000 is that you have a two-party state.

00:22:23.000 Now, whichever party is in government has the power at that time to introduce the agenda for the fascist state.

00:22:33.000 The opposition party does not.

00:22:36.000 Therefore, it can oppose and question and all that stuff, because it has no power to do anything.

00:22:43.000 Only the governmental party does, and therefore it introduces the agenda.

00:22:48.000 Then we have this farce called an election, and often they change places.

00:22:53.000 Stay there, David.

00:22:54.000 We've got a break again.

00:22:54.000 Long segment coming up.

00:22:55.000 Plenty of time to develop this, and I've got some examples of what David's talking about that I'll give you here in just a minute.

00:23:01.000 And then later we're going to open the phones up.

00:23:03.000 We've got him for a whole other hour and a half.

00:23:06.000 David Icke, I'm Alex Jones, InfoWars.com.

00:23:10.000 We're on the march.

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00:23:21.000 Join Alex live on the air toll-free at 1-800-259-9231 or email the InfoWarrior at Alex at InfoWars.com Alright, we got callers from Missouri to Minnesota to Delaware and they're coming up before this hour ends and then into the next hour but I want to give David plenty of time to talk, and then later, before the show ends, I've got a few questions, points of criticism.

00:23:57.000 You can probably answer them.

00:24:00.000 Overall, I think David's doing a lot of really good work.

00:24:03.000 He uses this example of the farce of an election, or the phony debate.

00:24:09.000 Let me give you an example of the left and right in America.

00:24:13.000 About three years ago, I saw what the current script was.

00:24:16.000 Right down to using Iraqis to blow stuff up. 1.00

00:24:19.000 Connecting them to the American right wing.

00:24:21.000 One group, the Patriots, is really fighting them here, head on.

00:24:27.000 And I laid that out, now you see it being scripted.

00:24:29.000 And I laid out, it's painful how obvious all this has gotten now that we put so many pieces in.

00:24:34.000 Now we're just to the final few pieces and it's clear where they go.

00:24:38.000 That they would try to push an agenda for a world government.

00:24:41.000 That they'd deny this world government was forming until it had basically gotten so big they couldn't deny it anymore, the elephant in the living room.

00:24:48.000 So they said, okay, the question is, what type of new world order will it be?

00:24:52.000 I think that's where David Icke was going with this, was that They'll have one party who is for this agenda publicly, and then the other that's supposedly opposition, but they won't criticize the bulk of it or any real substance.

00:25:07.000 They will debate some tertiary little side issue, and then people automatically have the debate framed and limited in their minds.

00:25:17.000 To use a simpler example, You got three shells in a shell game.

00:25:22.000 And one of them has a cyanide pill under it.

00:25:24.000 You're gonna have to eat it if you pick up the wrong one.

00:25:27.000 Well, the globalists just have a cyanide pill, say, in England with five or six parties.

00:25:32.000 They got five or six different shells.

00:25:33.000 Every shell, every walnut shell, has a cyanide pill under it.

00:25:38.000 So, it's a win-win for them.

00:25:40.000 They select the candidates.

00:25:43.000 They, with the media power, present them to you, and then they have a phony debate.

00:25:47.000 Is that what you were getting at, David?

00:25:52.000 David Icke?

00:25:54.000 Do we have David Backmark?

00:25:58.000 Are we there?

00:25:59.000 Ah, yes.

00:26:00.000 Ah, great.

00:26:01.000 Fantastic.

00:26:01.000 Yeah, as I was saying, the party in government has the power to introduce the agenda, the party in opposition does not.

00:26:09.000 And sometimes you'll have opposition parties criticizing elements of the agenda that the governing party is bringing in.

00:26:17.000 But then after a farce of an election, and every so often the two parties change sides, and one becomes the government, the government becomes the opposition, suddenly the opposition party as was, that was saying we shouldn't have this, we shouldn't have that, then start introducing it.

00:26:32.000 And there's no better example I've ever come across than Blair's Labour Party.

00:26:38.000 Virtually every element of what Blair's Labour Party has introduced Since he was first elected, which has advanced the agenda, he and his party opposed in opposition.

00:26:50.000 And this is the way the scam works, so that whoever's in power introduces the agenda, but the opposition gives the feeling that we're in a free society and we're having a free debate.

00:27:01.000 Another way the scam works is that they'll give one party a certain image and another party a different image.

00:27:08.000 For instance, the Labour Party In Britain has the image, or had it before Blair got involved, of being the party of freedom and against invasions of freedom and privacy and all this stuff.

00:27:22.000 And the Conservative Party had the image of being for those things, very much more invasive of privacy and stuff like that.

00:27:30.000 So what they do, and it's the same across the Democrats and Republicans in America, They put through their most freedom-destroying policies when there's a Labour government in power because that has the image of not being for that.

00:27:45.000 If a Conservative party did it, people would say, hey look, or a Republican party, hey look, hey, see...

00:27:52.000 This is exactly what this party does.

00:27:54.000 So they do it through the over-posing part of it as a different image.

00:27:57.000 So David, it's basically good cop, bad cop analogy.

00:28:01.000 And then another quick example, you know, they have the left and right here.

00:28:04.000 Will it be a left-wing world government or a right-wing world government?

00:28:07.000 The debate, the question is never asked, do we want a world government?

00:28:12.000 They're setting the debate.

00:28:12.000 They already used that example.

00:28:14.000 Another one is, Colin Powell, for years, I'm against the Iraq War, it's wrong, why he might resign, and then right at the last minute, oh, the war's good, it's perfect, and people say, oh, see, he was a dub, but now he's a hawk, oh, it must be good, and it's totally staged.

00:28:30.000 Right out of the open.

00:28:31.000 Another example, NRA, National Rifle Association, totally anti-gun, pushes for the most out-of-control gun control laws.

00:28:40.000 Their members don't even know it.

00:28:42.000 They won't even tell them.

00:28:44.000 And here's this group.

00:28:45.000 Oh, I don't have to get involved in my gun rights because the NRA is doing that for me.

00:28:50.000 Hmm.

00:28:51.000 Well, I mean, there's so many examples of it.

00:28:54.000 For instance, if you want to run drugs and not be investigated, then a great way to run drugs is through an anti-drug agency or administration.

00:29:05.000 Basically, what we're looking at, the foundation of the whole conspiracy is a mind game.

00:29:11.000 It's the manipulation of the population's sense of reality.

00:29:14.000 A great example of this is September the 11th.

00:29:19.000 So much has happened since then, not least, at least 5,000 civilians and then some dying in Afghanistan as a result of the British and American government bombing.

00:29:31.000 All these things that have followed on from September the 11th have been justified in the public mind by the official story of 9-11 being true.

00:29:42.000 It is not!

00:29:44.000 Therefore, because the people, and it must be 90 odd percent and plus of the global population, have accepted the official story, have allowed themselves to be manipulated to believe a lie, Everything that has followed from that, including the bombing and the war on terrorism and all this stuff, has been justified.

00:30:05.000 And they know that if they can manipulate people, sense of reality, in other words,

00:30:11.000 to get them to believe things that suit the agenda, then that's the foundation way

00:30:18.000 that they will make it unfold.

00:30:19.000 And the key to that, as you mentioned it earlier, is to get people in fear.

00:30:26.000 Once people are in fear of something, they look outside of themselves to others,

00:30:31.000 to authority, whatever, to protect them from what they've manipulated to fear.

00:30:35.000 And that's one key reason why they wish to keep the global population in a constant state

00:30:40.000 of insecurity and fear.

00:30:42.000 Now, David, I did my own research from my two videos in my book about September 11th,

00:30:48.000 but I have read your book.

00:30:49.000 It is the most comprehensive, and I have to tell you, it's totally documented.

00:30:57.000 It's all their own admissions, but they never put it all together for you.

00:31:02.000 It's all fragmented, and much of what is in your book is on PrisonPlanet.com and our 9-1-1 archive, or on InfoWars.com.

00:31:11.000 It's all right out hidden in plain view and and they just announced something

00:31:17.000 calmly and then move on uh... your new book will talk about that in just a second i'll

00:31:23.000 skip that because it's very important uh... i have found that people can't get over the horror

00:31:31.000 that the government would do this because they might have to do something about it

00:31:37.000 But really, we have so many historical examples, like the Northwoods document, a U.S.

00:31:42.000 government plan to carry out just this exact type of attack.

00:31:46.000 And I have to tell you, I think it's more like 30% in the U.S.

00:31:50.000 that have now woken up that know it wasn't just prior knowledge, they carried this thing out.

00:31:56.000 I support everything you've just said and I think this is why, Alex, it's so important

00:32:03.000 that along with the documentation of the political and the economic and media manipulation, people

00:32:12.000 also alongside that have the information about the, what you might call, satanic nature of

00:32:20.000 these families that are running the show.

00:32:23.000 Once people realize what these people get up to, the mental block on accepting the possibility

00:32:31.000 that these people could actually orchestrate the horror of September the 11th to advance

00:32:36.000 their agenda, which they have massively as a result of that, that mental block falls

00:32:40.000 because those that will sacrifice children, those that will abuse children on a vast scale,

00:32:49.000 people like Father George Push, infamously so, will have no problem whatsoever with killing

00:32:58.000 3,000 people plus to advance their agenda.

00:33:02.000 Can we get an example?

00:33:04.000 There was a New York Daily News article a few months ago.

00:33:07.000 I had the lawyer on, declassified document, confirmed, no debate, just a few articles, massive story, should have been top story for weeks.

00:33:17.000 Calmly, they got the Roosevelt documents signed by him, where he ordered our troops, our sailors, not to let 7,000 men, women, and children, civilians, American citizens, on the ships, and the ships were half empty, to take them out of the Philippines, so they could be captured by the Japanese, the documents said, for war propaganda purposes.

00:33:36.000 Now that's snuffing out, and over half of them were killed and died.

00:33:39.000 7,000 people just for propaganda purposes, they're caught doing it, Sixty years later, it's calmly reported like it's no big deal.

00:33:52.000 You've got your London Guardian, about ten other papers three months ago, four months ago, reported that MI6 calmly has done most of the bombings in London and in Ireland.

00:34:03.000 In the last twenty-three years, twenty-four years now since Margaret Thatcher started it, they just calmly announced, yeah, we've been doing most of the bombings to be legitimate with the terrorists.

00:34:14.000 How do they take massive stories and just calmly report, yeah, we do this, yeah, we do that?

00:34:21.000 Well, one of the key elements, I think, to appreciating the way that people are manipulated in all these ways is the understanding they have that people do not retain detail.

00:34:34.000 Even people who read newspapers, very few actually retain detail.

00:34:36.000 And people who get their news, most people from television, retain no detail at all.

00:34:41.000 what they retain is an image, a feeling.

00:34:45.000 What these people are doing, therefore, is manipulating that image.

00:34:49.000 This is why, and I mentioned this in Now It's in Wonderland and the World Trade Center disaster,

00:34:54.000 this is why they will call a news conference immediately after 9/11, the FBI,

00:34:59.000 and announce they've found a passport from one of the hijackers.

00:35:03.000 You know, I mean, I'm not a physics major, but when I look at a fireball and I'm told that

00:35:08.000 a paper passport from one of the hijackers has just been found near ground zero,

00:35:12.000 where vast numbers of bodies have never been found right the way through. 0.78

00:35:17.000 It is utterly ludicrous.

00:35:19.000 But I sat in this very chair, Alex, and I watched on this television here a BBC newsreader on national news calmly, without any questioning at all, announce that this had been found.

00:35:31.000 What happened is, when I was researching the book, I went back to the New York police to say, well, hold on.

00:35:36.000 Could you just tell me whose passport of these hijackers you're naming it belonged to?

00:35:41.000 And I was told I couldn't get that information because there was an ongoing investigation and what have you.

00:35:46.000 And then on the anniversary of September the 11th, what, six months or so ago now, An ITV documentary asked that question also, and the FBI's reply was, the hijacker passport, wait for this, is a rumor that might be true.

00:36:01.000 This is a year after they called a news conference to announce they'd actually found it.

00:36:05.000 Let me stop you, let me stop you. 0.85

00:36:06.000 Khalid Mohammed, there was a report, Asian Times, a Reuters report, in October, early October of last year, They announced it, and when I saw the article, I went, oh yeah, I remember that.

00:36:20.000 Big victory, they've killed Khalid Mohammed in his home, captured his children and his wife. 0.98

00:36:25.000 Then this weekend, we've captured him, he's alive, and then ABC News, we've got his son, his sons, seven and nine, we're going to torture them so he'll answer questions, and then it says, but we're not torturing.

00:36:38.000 I mean, it's just insane Orwellian doublespeak worse than what Winston saw at the Ministry of Truth in Oceania in 1984.

00:36:46.000 The point is that they know because of this phenomena that people do not retain detail.

00:36:54.000 That they can say A at this time and they can say Z at another time and people will not connect the two and see the contradiction.

00:37:02.000 It's only people like you, me and other people investigating this that put A to Z and B to D so that people can say, hey, how can they say that and then say that?

00:37:12.000 Unless that happens, people just don't make the connection and they get away with it.

00:37:17.000 It appears to be swapping on purpose.

00:37:19.000 I mean, they could have easily sent some other guy under some name and show a picture of anybody and say, this is the mastermind.

00:37:24.000 Why do they?

00:37:25.000 It's like they're getting caught on purpose. 0.99

00:37:27.000 It's like they're ridiculous lies. 0.96

00:37:29.000 Is this like an inside joke or something?

00:37:33.000 Well, my feeling is, and I can only give my opinion on what I feel, I feel that these guys are in a state of panic now, and I think this is one of the key reasons they're trying to push this on so rapidly, is because there is an awakening going on.

00:37:49.000 When I first started talking about this a year ago, a decade ago, a man and a dog used to turn up.

00:37:55.000 I mean, you're talking to the man who pulled in a crowd of eight in Chicago, Alex.

00:37:59.000 That doesn't happen now because there is an awakening going on and people are starting to see through more and more and more of what's actually happening.

00:38:07.000 And this is one of the for the key reasons they want the microchipped population 1.00

00:38:12.000 and they want this fiercely centralized dictatorial state in place to suppress the awakening of the

00:38:19.000 people and they're panicking to push on and push on faster and faster. People who panic

00:38:25.000 just stop thinking straight and I think personally mate that they're making a lot of mistakes. No I

00:38:30.000 heartily agree and I think that because there's only a few thousand top technicians.

00:38:35.000 I think they're overstretched.

00:38:36.000 I think their compartmentalization is breaking down, and they are having trouble command and controlling all of this.

00:38:44.000 And whereas you had eight people a few years ago, now it's thousands coming to hear you speak.

00:38:48.000 I've done 700 radio interviews in the last year and a half, and one out of 30 callers calls in to disagree.

00:38:55.000 And I'm on the air saying it as hardcore as it gets, David.

00:38:59.000 Yeah, I think what's happening is that up to this point, up to shows like yours and researchers and what have you who have started to put this together and communicate it, people only had one version of possibility, i.e.

00:39:15.000 political parties were not connected and transnational corporations were not in effect controlled

00:39:20.000 by the same people, the banks were in competition with each other and all this stuff.

00:39:24.000 Once this alternative view of what's happening in the world started to be communicated and

00:39:29.000 more and more effectively, people could see that there was actually another explanation,

00:39:33.000 and actually one that makes far more sense about what's happening in the world than the

00:39:38.000 official one they're being given.

00:39:40.000 And this is having an increasingly dramatic effect on the way people see the world.

00:39:45.000 I mean, you will have had the same experience.

00:39:47.000 There are people who are waking up to this and coming to the conclusion that, no, we can discuss the detail, but the themes we agree on, but the themes actually are correct, and they are people who would have laughed in your face a year ago, or two years ago.

00:40:03.000 This is a wonderful time, this, Alex.

00:40:06.000 This tyranny is Unraveling.

00:40:10.000 And we need to keep going and expand this so it continues to unravel.

00:40:15.000 Well, they're going to use more terrorism to try to get us back in line.

00:40:18.000 I don't want people to underestimate the scorched earth policy that they do plan to take.

00:40:24.000 And I want to talk about the microchips.

00:40:25.000 I mean, I remember reading one of your books five years ago where you talked about the microchip population.

00:40:30.000 I remember reading Army documents three years ago and we were kooks to talk about it.

00:40:34.000 Now it's take your chips.

00:40:35.000 It's good.

00:40:36.000 Exactly.

00:40:37.000 It's the craziness of it.

00:40:39.000 I mean, I think they've gone too fast because they know it's unraveling, and that now they've even shown more of their hand.

00:40:45.000 Do you agree?

00:40:46.000 Yeah, and you know, we have a president who's really, he's a smoking bomb, really, from their point of view.

00:40:55.000 Alright, I want to come back and jam three calls into this next five, six minute segment.

00:40:59.000 I want to start the second hour, come back and take more calls, and then get back into David's analysis of what life would be like under the New World Order if we don't defeat it.

00:41:08.000 Uh, and we'll also tell you how to get to Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center disaster.

00:41:12.000 We have a link to his website, DavidIke.com.

00:41:15.000 We have some fun questions, too, coming up in the next, uh, hour.

00:41:18.000 us. Thanks for joining us, David.

00:41:18.000 Stay with us.

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00:42:03.000 Jeff, Mark and Doug, we're going to try to get to you right now.

00:42:07.000 David Icke, real quick, and we'll do a better plug for it in the next hour.

00:42:11.000 How do folks get your latest book, Alice Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disasters?

00:42:16.000 Well, they can get it through DavidIcke.com or a number, 888-609-5006.

00:42:19.000 eight eight eight six oh nine five double a six eight eight eight six oh

00:42:23.000 nine five double a six and uh... it's uh...

00:42:28.000 why the official story of nine eleven is a monumental lie and uh...

00:42:31.000 the number of brain cells acting in unison it actually takes the demolished

00:42:35.000 official story is depressingly few uh... and yet most of the world is bought it because that's

00:42:40.000 the only version that had so long as you know your book is encyclopedic

00:42:44.000 uh... was like five hundred pages

00:42:46.000 five hundred pages yeah. Give us that number again. It's uh...

00:42:50.000 eight eight eight six oh nine five oh oh six. It's based in Texas.

00:42:55.000 All righter, David Icke dot com Let's talk to, real quick, Jeff.

00:43:01.000 Jeff's calling from Missouri.

00:43:02.000 You're on the air with David Ike.

00:43:02.000 Jeff, go ahead.

00:43:04.000 Hello, gentlemen.

00:43:05.000 David, I saw you on the Trio Network along with Alex over a week of where they had the show, Dealing with the Secret Rules of the World.

00:43:14.000 And I have to apologize.

00:43:15.000 I have to apologize for saying something mean about David on that.

00:43:19.000 Hold on a second, Jeff.

00:43:20.000 Those guys followed me around, hopping on for two years.

00:43:23.000 hold on a second Jeff, those guys followed me around for, off and on for two years and

00:43:26.000 like anything bad I said over two years got thrown in there.

00:43:30.000 I mean they, yeah.

00:43:32.000 I wouldn't trust the presenter of that show as far as I could throw him.

00:43:37.000 His book is a fairytale.

00:43:41.000 It takes real stuff and turns it into a joke.

00:43:44.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:45.000 I'm sorry, Jeff, go ahead.

00:43:46.000 You were saying something?

00:43:47.000 No, Alex, just a little side remark.

00:43:50.000 The remark and the analogy you made about the dog extra will always stick in my wife and I's mind for quite some time.

00:43:57.000 an ingenious analogy but anyway but the aspect of what uh...

00:44:01.000 david was saying concerning shape-shifting losers from a biblical standpoint

00:44:06.000 uh... one of the things one of the guys yesterday when you walked up he said

00:44:09.000 well i i have i'm not sure that genealogy yet but i kind of looked at each other because from a biblical

00:44:15.000 standpoint there was a time in genesis six

00:44:17.000 when the fallen angels uh... went into the daughters of men and bore them

00:44:20.000 children [laughter]

00:44:22.000 Noah was perfect.

00:44:23.000 I wanted to get into this in the next hour.

00:44:26.000 I'd like to too because the gentleman is absolutely right.

00:44:29.000 When you look at biblical references, you look at references from ancient societies around the world, there is a common theme here.

00:44:36.000 But I believe it's spiritual.

00:44:39.000 And that's where we'll probably disagree.

00:44:41.000 Jeff, thank you for coming.

00:44:42.000 Well, I don't believe it's physical either.

00:44:44.000 I think we're looking at other dimensional entities that possess human form.

00:44:48.000 I don't think we're necessarily looking at people in space helmets, mate, no.

00:44:54.000 There is a guiding spiritual force at Grand Design on both sides of this thing.

00:44:59.000 Let's talk to Mark in Minnesota.

00:45:00.000 Mark, you're on the air.

00:45:01.000 Go ahead.

00:45:04.000 Okay, Mark, are you there?

00:45:05.000 I'm here.

00:45:06.000 Hey, how are you guys doing?

00:45:07.000 Fine, go ahead.

00:45:08.000 Yeah, actually, that's what I wanted to bring up, the reptilian stuff.

00:45:13.000 I mean, what empirical evidence do you have to support that?

00:45:17.000 See, that's my criticism point, is that you add this as a cherry on top, that's the one or two percent.

00:45:23.000 Everything else is documented mainstream, and then this gets added.

00:45:26.000 We're going to have to cover this next hour.

00:45:28.000 Yeah, a discrediting mechanism.

00:45:31.000 Well, I want to point out, actually, George Bush, he's a ninth cousin of mine.

00:45:37.000 Everybody has millions of ninth cousins.

00:45:40.000 In fact, George Bush is probably related to about half of America, distantly, very distantly.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, but to the royals in England, he's very closely related.

00:45:48.000 I mean, I think that sort of destroys the idea that he's some sort of... I'll tell you what.

00:45:57.000 The third hour is coming up, Mark.

00:45:58.000 You stay there and then David can talk to you when we get back.

00:46:03.000 This is the one percent of the story that everybody wants to talk about.

00:46:05.000 We'll be right back.

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00:46:59.000 Alright, we're talking to David Icke.

00:47:03.000 BBC.

00:47:06.000 Sports anchor.

00:47:09.000 Soccer champion, goalie, best-selling author, lecturer, and he has a great understanding.

00:47:17.000 98% of what he covers, and I've read three or four of his books and watched a couple of his videos, is very, very accurate and totally documented out in the open, and he's very insightful about that.

00:47:26.000 Then there's the one or two percent, you know, getting into who runs the New World Order.

00:47:32.000 That people have a problem with, and him saying it's spiritual, I would agree with him more now, because the globalists do believe in this.

00:47:39.000 They are devil worshippers. 0.64

00:47:40.000 I've been to Bohemian Grove, and what is the Bible's description of this devil? 0.96

00:47:45.000 It is a snake.

00:47:50.000 Can I just put this into context, Alex, so that people understand what I'm saying here about this.

00:47:56.000 A little while ago I was talking about the fact that these bloodlines moved out of the ancient world into Europe and became the aristocracy and the royal families of Europe and then through the colonial empires expanded around the world.

00:48:10.000 There is a connection between the way that they used to do rituals, sacrificial rituals, and what have you, in the ancient world, and what they do today in Babylon.

00:48:21.000 I picked up, and again, the caller Jeff, who mentioned this, is absolutely right.

00:48:27.000 When you look at the biblical references, and you look at the ancient accounts of peoples around the world, I mean, I've got a great friend in South Africa who's now an 80-odd year old, man who is the official historian of the Zulu nation, a man

00:48:42.000 called Kredo Mutwa, who asked to see me simply because what I was writing about these

00:48:48.000 matters was exactly what he had been initiated to know from the ancient African culture and

00:48:53.000 the way that was passed on.

00:48:55.000 There's even been Discovery Channel shows about the cave drawings and what they say

00:48:59.000 and this scar and all that stuff.

00:49:01.000 So I began to say, well, hold on a minute.

00:49:05.000 When you follow these bloodlines through, these royal bloodlines, you find that there is this idea of a divine right to rule.

00:49:13.000 So what the heck is that?

00:49:15.000 and then you start to pick up this theme of the right to rule being your connection to the gods.

00:49:22.000 So what are the gods?

00:49:24.000 And when you look at these various accounts, biblical and otherwise, right up to the present day,

00:49:29.000 and I've been to more than 40 countries researching this.

00:49:32.000 David, I think the point you're making here is these people are already bizarre.

00:49:36.000 We know they go to Bohemian Grove and worship Moloch the Owl.

00:49:39.000 They think they're gods.

00:49:40.000 They say that they are descended from this.

00:49:42.000 And we know that that's what the Illuminati thinks. 1.00

00:49:44.000 They call us bugs, useless feeders. 0.92

00:49:47.000 So whether it's real or not, you're saying this is what they believe. 0.58

00:49:50.000 I'm saying it's real.

00:49:52.000 I'm saying it's real in this sense.

00:49:54.000 The common theme, biblical and otherwise, is of what are termed demonic entities who

00:49:59.000 possess human beings and take over their emotional and mental processes.

00:50:04.000 Possession.

00:50:05.000 It's an ancient, ancient theme coming right up to the present day.

00:50:10.000 And one of the things that is happening in many of these rituals that span these hundreds

00:50:16.000 and hundreds of years to the present day is that during the ritual the situation is created

00:50:22.000 in which this possession takes place.

00:50:24.000 It's worth pointing this out.

00:50:26.000 When we look through our eyes, we think we're looking at a world.

00:50:30.000 We think we're seeing everything there is to see.

00:50:33.000 What we're actually seeing is just a frequency range.

00:50:36.000 It's the frequency range that our five senses, i.e.

00:50:39.000 our sight, etc., can perceive.

00:50:43.000 Yeah, we don't see 90% of even the light spectrum.

00:50:46.000 Exactly.

00:50:48.000 So, beyond the frequency range of the visual senses of human beings is an infinity of other frequencies of

00:50:57.000 existence.

00:50:58.000 The reason that you'll be sitting in a room, for instance, and you'll see a cat reacting to what is to us empty space, 1.00

00:51:05.000 and you're going, "What's wrong with a cat, the stupid thing?" 0.66

00:51:07.000 It's because the cat's visual frequency range is greater than ours, and therefore, to the cat, that is not empty 1.00

00:51:14.000 space.

00:51:15.000 It is something there that they can see.

00:51:17.000 That's what they're reacting to.

00:51:19.000 Now, the point I'm leading to is this... We got a break.

00:51:21.000 We got a break.

00:51:22.000 Okay.

00:51:23.000 Pardon me?

00:51:24.000 I'll come back after the break.

00:51:26.000 Yes, yes.

00:51:27.000 Sir, we've got 15 minutes left, roughly.

00:51:31.000 Uh, and I do want to go to these calls, and I want to get into all the stuff we can't breathe here.

00:51:34.000 I got some questions, but we'll go back into this when we get back.

00:51:42.000 Big Brother.

00:51:43.000 Mainstream media.

00:51:45.000 Government cover-ups.

00:51:46.000 You want answers?

00:51:48.000 Well, so does he.

00:51:49.000 He's Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.

00:51:54.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:52:02.000 There is a double-edged sword effect to what David Icke does.

00:52:08.000 98% of it totally provable and demonstrated by fact.

00:52:11.000 If you can go out and verify.

00:52:14.000 2% he would say documented, I would say speculative.

00:52:17.000 But, here's the problem.

00:52:18.000 3, 4, 5 years ago when I read the government documents about microchips for you and your family and how they were going to try to sell it to you.

00:52:25.000 In 2000, Army War College report of how they'd use the media to sell it to you.

00:52:29.000 Talking about how weak-minded we are.

00:52:32.000 And now, last year, the news blitz, every child needs a microchip, wall-to-wall coverage, a hundred times a day for months on end.

00:52:40.000 Who would have ever thought that would happen?

00:52:41.000 Who would ever think they'd be on the news saying torture is good, and, oh, our government's gonna use some of the weapons on Iraq?

00:52:46.000 That's okay, but it's not okay if they use it.

00:52:48.000 Who would have ever thought they'd be out in the open in the New York Times two weeks ago saying it's a new world order for the UN to run America?

00:52:54.000 Who would ever think the Associated Press would report that foreign groups are massing for, quote, anti-terrorism operations here in the US?

00:53:01.000 But that's all documented!

00:53:05.000 But there is a danger, and we have all this incredible stuff that we can prove that people can't still believe, some of them, to go into things that we cannot completely prove.

00:53:13.000 And I'll give you an example.

00:53:14.000 I told you a couple weeks ago, I had the roofers at my house putting a new roof on.

00:53:17.000 And the guy walks up and he goes, you know, I recognize your voice over the phone when you were setting up this job.

00:53:23.000 I just wanted to tell you, my dad, you know, knows about this new world order.

00:53:27.000 I thought he was crazy.

00:53:29.000 He goes, do you really believe there's a trilateral commission?

00:53:32.000 And he'd heard my show, he said, many times.

00:53:34.000 I said, sir, the Trilateral Commission is a public organization with offices in New York and D.C.

00:53:39.000 They call for world government.

00:53:40.000 They have publications.

00:53:42.000 They have presidents and people as members.

00:53:46.000 That's like saying, is the world really round?

00:53:49.000 Does the sun really come up in the morning?

00:53:51.000 Was there really a George Washington?

00:53:54.000 So, if people have trouble with that, you know, when I went and shot video of Police State 2000, troops trying to take your guns and put you in camps.

00:54:01.000 I mean, this was up close, color video of them saying it, them doing it, news articles on top of it.

00:54:05.000 People couldn't believe that.

00:54:07.000 Therein lies the danger.

00:54:08.000 We were going to go to Mark in Minnesota, but he hung up.

00:54:10.000 I'm going to give him a chance to, because he wanted to ask questions of Mr. Ike, but we do have a bunch of other callers.

00:54:16.000 David, you were trying to make a point.

00:54:17.000 Go ahead and finish that point.

00:54:18.000 Let's go on to some other calls.

00:54:20.000 Okay, well a couple of things.

00:54:21.000 As I was saying when I was last speaking, just outside The frequency range of the five senses, that which our eyes can see, not that it's actually our eyes that see, it's our brain that sees, and that's another area of manipulation, but is where these entities live, which have been mentioned and documented throughout history in their various forms under the collective term of demonic entities.

00:54:48.000 Now, all I'm saying Not in my experience of sitting in a darkened room contemplating what I think is going on, by talking to hundreds of people around the world from every different walk of life you can imagine, who have had the experience of seeing these entities, overwhelmingly, in the experience of people that I've talked to, they seem to take a reptilian type form, and are possessing

00:55:15.000 The people who are in positions, major positions of power, and therefore controlling their mental and emotional processes.

00:55:22.000 I'm saying nothing new compared with what people have been saying for hundreds of years, including biblical references.

00:55:27.000 Well, you're right, and the Bible says that these principalities run the high places.

00:55:32.000 Well, if the leader is running it, that means that they have been controlled.

00:55:39.000 And how do you describe this evil, this lack of conscience?

00:55:43.000 This compulsion to commit huge wars and kill hundreds of millions of people and that ritual at Bohemian Grove.

00:55:51.000 This is what opened my eyes up to some of what you're saying.

00:55:53.000 Those rituals at Bohemian Grove, it was about not having a conscience.

00:55:58.000 It was about getting rid of care.

00:56:00.000 Yeah, the other thing, Alex, another theme that I've picked up over these decade or more of research is that these entities that possess the bodies, if you like, of people in positions of power, they feed off human fear.

00:56:18.000 The more fear that is generated in this world frequency range, whatever you want to call it,

00:56:24.000 the more energy there is for these entities to absorb.

00:56:28.000 Not only that, when you look throughout history of these rituals,

00:56:32.000 you'll see a recurring theme of sacrificing to the gods.

00:56:37.000 Now what the heck do the gods of these entities have to do with sacrificing people?

00:56:43.000 Why is the sacrifice something you're giving to them?

00:56:45.000 It's like an H.P.

00:56:46.000 Lovecraft book.

00:56:48.000 You're saying it.

00:56:49.000 See, here's the thing.

00:56:50.000 I'm trying to say what they do in these rituals is that the intense fear, terror, that they do as they build it up with the victim, and eventually at the point of death, a massive amount of energy is released, which the sheer terror that these entities absorb, that's what Well, let me just say this.

00:57:11.000 I talk about legislation.

00:57:12.000 I talk about the New World Order. 0.77

00:57:13.000 and now deeply regret it, who have actually explained this to me.

00:57:17.000 Let me just say this. I talk about legislation, I talk about the New World Order, I will say,

00:57:23.000 yes, the leaders are satanic, because, I mean, ABC News, skull and bones, they catch video

00:57:29.000 of the satanic ritual, slitting women's throats, blood spraying on ABC News, a lot of you have 0.54

00:57:34.000 seen the video, national television, Fox ran it, and they said, oh, they're just having

00:57:38.000 fine i don't know police investigation was that real or was it simulated

00:57:43.000 I go to the Grove, a bound body, begging for its life, the Grove admits on national television, worldwide, I did get that footage.

00:57:49.000 That is real, they're saying, but it's just a theater, a theatrical thing.

00:57:53.000 But then we see these leaders in the real world carrying out wars, carrying out mass killing, which is where they're so... I agree that they believe this.

00:58:02.000 I agree they believe in the devil.

00:58:05.000 I agree that there is a devil.

00:58:07.000 But at that point, you see, I don't attach the whole new world, even though it's at the head of it, What happens is, you go out and attach that to this, the average person won't be able to come to terms with it.

00:58:19.000 Let's take some calls.

00:58:20.000 Well, that's not been my experience, I must say.

00:58:24.000 Alright, well, I'm telling you that when I go out and talk about the New World Order, occasionally, the few criticisms I get, oh, you're like that David Icke guy, you know, this, you believe this is going on, and it's being used as a discrediting mechanism.

00:58:37.000 Yeah, the point is, though, Alex, you know, that we are a tapestry.

00:58:41.000 of people uncovering and communicating what's going on in the world

00:58:46.000 and uh... if we were all the same i mean what's the point of coming from a different points

00:58:51.000 of observation that's what we don't hear

00:58:54.000 now what we need to do surely is uh...

00:58:58.000 communicate what we believe to be true if we start editing what we found that

00:59:02.000 what we what we believe to be the case then what are we doing you see if if if

00:59:07.000 people had not come out and i'm faced with saying criticism indeed i did that

00:59:12.000 i should not have come out and talked about The way that these children were being sacrificed and abused by people like George Bush and others.

00:59:20.000 People would now, not further along the line, be opening up to this.

00:59:25.000 Someone has to throw it in there first.

00:59:28.000 Otherwise, it never moves and never expands.

00:59:31.000 If someone had not said the Earth was round and not flat, how long would people have gone on believing it was flat?

00:59:36.000 Well, that's an example I use.

00:59:38.000 Now listen.

00:59:39.000 You're not being censored here.

00:59:40.000 I mean, I know they want to try to ban you from Canada and all that.

00:59:43.000 I think that's ridiculous, but I'm here.

00:59:46.000 We're talking about it. 0.76

00:59:47.000 I'm telling you, we're discussing this situation.

00:59:51.000 We're going over it and I think it's been revealing now, but we got to go these calls, but I've got to say this again for those who just tuned in.

00:59:59.000 All of you may not have heard of Bohemian Grove, but you've heard about Skull & Bones, 4 or 5 Generations of Bushes, most CIA directors, this elite Blue Blood, New Haven, Connecticut, Skull & Bones, they do worship Satan, it is MSNBC, they talked to 100 members, the US branch of the Bavarian Illuminati, That is a fact, and that's hard for people to believe, but that's out in the open.

01:00:22.000 They do have Paul Bonacci in his diary, and this is a state senator who wrote the book.

01:00:27.000 He's never been sued.

01:00:28.000 A TV station in Virginia said it wasn't true.

01:00:31.000 He sued them for $1.3 million, won.

01:00:34.000 He has the diary, the police reports, and one of his later editions added something that he didn't put in the first one.

01:00:39.000 About Paul Bonacci and these kids, mentioning Northern California, and this happening, and we know that the Aztecs did this, we know that the ancient tribes all over did this.

01:00:51.000 Why is it the same ritual?

01:00:53.000 Why is it the same activity?

01:00:55.000 Why do we see this?

01:00:56.000 And that is a legitimate point.

01:00:58.000 And it is bizarre, it is out of control, but it is happening.

01:01:02.000 Let's talk to Doug in Delaware, who's been holding for about an hour.

01:01:05.000 Go ahead, Doug, you're on the air.

01:01:06.000 Hi, Alex, and hi, David.

01:01:09.000 I had about a million questions for you, but I think I can narrow it down to two.

01:01:13.000 Well, I haven't got a million answers, mate.

01:01:16.000 I've got more questions than anyone listening to this show, I tell you.

01:01:20.000 I imagine you do.

01:01:21.000 The first thought that I had was, do you think that simply by Delving into these types of subjects about the source of all these evils we're seeing and learning and being aware is like winning half the battle, say.

01:01:37.000 Well, yeah, because, you know, the Illuminati do not run around trying to control our sources of information to give us their version of events rather than the true version because they get fun out of it.

01:01:50.000 They do it because it is fundamental to them controlling us.

01:01:54.000 They're controlling our reality.

01:01:56.000 And our reality, our sense of belief, our sense of ourselves, and our sense of the world, is what fundamentally dictates our physical behavior.

01:02:04.000 I'm sitting here with a phone in my hand, not because my body's decided to do it, but my mind decided to do it.

01:02:11.000 So if you like, for want of a term, and I don't like it, the battleground is actually the human mind, the human perception.

01:02:17.000 And crucial to that is Keeping from that human mind information that would get us to see what's going on and emphasizing constantly only that which leads us to a false reality of what's going on.

01:02:30.000 So awareness is absolutely the bottom line of bringing this whole network to an end.

01:02:38.000 You shall know the truth and truth will set you free.

01:02:40.000 My people perish for lack of knowledge.

01:02:43.000 Okay, I have one more quick question, and that is, in your reptilian theory, how many do you think of, let's say, ordinary people have this bloodline?

01:02:53.000 For example, I'm Irish.

01:02:54.000 Well, you're saying it's just possession.

01:02:55.000 Go ahead.

01:02:56.000 Well, I'm saying it's possession, but I'm saying this.

01:02:59.000 There had to be a reason, and then I was just asking questions about things that were obviously True.

01:03:05.000 Why are these Illuminati families so obsessed with interbreeding with each other, as they still are?

01:03:09.000 I mean, look at the aristocratic families and royal families of Europe.

01:03:13.000 To this day, they interbreed with each other.

01:03:17.000 Why?

01:03:18.000 Talking to people that have been involved in these rituals, talking to people who have been close to people like Princess Diana, a close confidant of hers for nine years, We'll talk about it when we get back.

01:03:31.000 I know this, they are occultists.

01:03:33.000 What they are, who they are, we've got to figure that out.

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01:04:18.000 alright ladies and gentlemen we're back live The toll-free number to join us on air is 800-259-9231.

01:04:25.000 I'm Alex Jones.

01:04:27.000 We're talking to obviously controversial anti-New World Order crusader researcher David Icke.

01:04:35.000 And the globalists are into satanic rituals.

01:04:39.000 That is proven, admitted, mainstream.

01:04:42.000 Now, do you believe in a devil?

01:04:44.000 Do you believe in those types of things?

01:04:49.000 I know I certainly do, and that is a perfect example and description of why they're acting and behaving like this, turning our planet into a prison planet.

01:04:57.000 David, we've got a lot of callers here, but you had a point you were trying to make when we slammed into that last break.

01:05:03.000 Go ahead.

01:05:04.000 Yes, I was just saying that I've met so many people, including a lady called Christine Fitzgerald, who was a close confidante of Princess Diana for nine years, who I met after Diana's death, not to talk about anything like this, but to talk about what she knew about the way the Windsors treated Diana and what the relationship was.

01:05:22.000 And right out of the blue, she said to me, Do you know what Diana's nickname for the Windsors was?

01:05:27.000 And I said, no.

01:05:28.000 And she said, the lizards and the reptiles.

01:05:31.000 She used to say they weren't human.

01:05:32.000 And she went on to tell me how the royal family of Britain were just apparently human when you look at the five sense

01:05:39.000 level, but they were just possessed by these entities, which took a reptilian form.

01:05:44.000 And so the way I've come up with this whole area of information and research is simply by the number of people

01:05:55.000 I've met around the world that have told me basically the same story.

01:05:58.000 So you follow the New World Order back and it always runs into this demonic situation?

01:06:03.000 Yeah, well this is the point Alex, you know, when you, and many people have done this now, when you research back over hundreds of years and thousands of years, and you can follow this theme, a question that people ask me, and it's a relevant one on the face of it, is hold on a minute, if this is the case, Why would all these different people, going back thousands of years, why would they work themselves through their physical lifetimes trying to advance and create a global kind of controlling state when they knew they were going to be long gone before it came?

01:06:38.000 There had to be, Alex, a common theme which spanned The centuries of this manipulation, and with its common force and source, and it is these entities that possess these particular bloodlines.

01:06:54.000 Well, they certainly believe in this.

01:06:56.000 They certainly are satanic, and that's what we can prove.

01:07:00.000 And let's talk to Regina in Pennsylvania.

01:07:04.000 Regina, you're on the air with David Icke.

01:07:06.000 Go ahead.

01:07:06.000 Hi, Alex.

01:07:08.000 Hi, Dave Icke.

01:07:09.000 I've heard about you, and I was encouraged to get your book.

01:07:13.000 I'm encouraged to talk to you a little bit.

01:07:16.000 When you bring up the centralization, I'd like to cue in here.

01:07:20.000 This situation right now with Alex bringing up at the beginning of his show about what was happening on the street last night.

01:07:29.000 I find it interesting.

01:07:31.000 George Will had an article in the Tribune Review on Sunday the 2nd about holding schools accountable.

01:07:37.000 And I find it real interesting that now they want to use the name NAEP to shame schools into compliance of the federal government goals.

01:07:48.000 And I see this as the same entity that Alex experienced last night with what he saw on the street.

01:07:54.000 Well yeah, the feds train us how to act like animals and then get more control when the system falls apart, but they engineered it.

01:07:59.000 Problem, reaction, solution.

01:08:01.000 Yeah.

01:08:01.000 Right.

01:08:02.000 And they're gonna, they're gonna, the people that are trying to run outside this confusion uh... will be graded and then we'll have uh... the expansion of power over them and then we'll have parents like such as the parent gratings standing up.

01:08:16.000 Yeah, they're now arresting parents in the U.S.

01:08:18.000 if their kids don't finish the homework from Houston to Pennsylvania and uh... look at this article.

01:08:24.000 Torture for terrorists.

01:08:25.000 Gershwin's torture could be justified. 0.96

01:08:27.000 The globalists are giving us their worldview, their values.

01:08:31.000 It says in the ABC News report they've got their children for torture And then they say, but this isn't torture.

01:08:37.000 Torturing people's children to get them to answer questions?

01:08:40.000 How much more evil?

01:08:42.000 They're giving us their values, aren't they, David?

01:08:45.000 Exactly, and the point is that when something that's remained hidden has reached the point where it wants to manifest its agenda in the world, there is always a window of time where what has remained hidden breaks the surface where we can start to see it, because they want to now bring it into everyday society reality.

01:09:06.000 And this is why, at this point, we're now beginning to see that which has gone on underneath the surface up to this point now being put in our faces.

01:09:15.000 Less centralization of power is fundamental to the goal for this reason.

01:09:20.000 When there's not that many of you, compared with the global population, you have to, if you're going to control those people, centralize decision-making.

01:09:27.000 The more points of decision-making there are, the more diversity, the less control you're going to have.

01:09:32.000 It's like standing on a stage with loads of plates on sticks and you've got to run around and keep them in the air.

01:09:37.000 We've got a break.

01:09:39.000 Come back and talk to Vance and Stan and Storm and others.

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01:12:03.000 Going back to David Icke, David, we've got a bunch of callers here.

01:12:08.000 You were trying to finish up a point you were just making.

01:12:10.000 Yeah, I was just saying very quickly, what I was saying was that when there's a few trying to control the many, the points of decision making have to be centralized.

01:12:19.000 The more decision-making goes on, the more diverse it is, the less control they have. 0.99

01:12:24.000 And I was making the point of someone on a stage with plates spinning on lots of sticks, eventually they're going to crash because there's just too many to keep control of.

01:12:32.000 What they want, ideally, is one big plate and one big stick, and they can stand there and keep that going indefinitely.

01:12:39.000 And this is why we've had this Incessant centralization of power.

01:12:44.000 And there's another equation that the more you centralize power, the more power you have to then centralize even quicker.

01:12:51.000 And this is why this centralization of power has got faster and faster and faster.

01:12:56.000 Well, it's a cashless society control grid.

01:12:59.000 You know, the biometrics are going in our grocery stores to buy, the face scanning cameras, the police helicopters have been given systems that look right through our walls with a crisp image.

01:13:08.000 Total violation of the Fourth Amendment in any canon of a free society.

01:13:12.000 And the average person has no idea, as the physical prison is being set up now, around the prison of the mind, and they're having to do this because there is an awakening, and they're losing control.

01:13:24.000 I want to ask you a few questions, then we'll go to Vance.

01:13:27.000 uh... stand storm and john and clinton many others that are holding here

01:13:32.000 abilities calls quick have you seen my uh... film dark secrets inside the hero

01:13:38.000 uh... yeah and as you saw the rituals there

01:13:41.000 That's real.

01:13:41.000 The Grove admits we got the footage.

01:13:43.000 And for anybody that's doubting this, they are devil worshippers.

01:13:46.000 This is a fact.

01:13:47.000 You know, we're weird for reporting it.

01:13:48.000 No, they're weird for doing it.

01:13:50.000 I thought the blood-curdling scream at the point that they brought that, quote, effigy onto the slab under the owl and set fire to it was stunning.

01:14:03.000 In the sense that even if that wasn't a real human being, the very fact is that they actually, these people, these people that run our world actually put that sound of that scream of agony actually on a tape as part of the ritual.

01:14:18.000 And it begs for its life.

01:14:19.000 The point is, it's obviously an outer ritual.

01:14:22.000 Then we have police reports, documents, information that can't be refuted.

01:14:25.000 The real thing going on in a similar looking place, Redwoods and the Big Owl, going back into the 80s before the Grove was even discussed, the reason I bring the film up is that People will deny this stuff's going on.

01:14:40.000 Then they see the evidence, they go, oh yeah, big deal, let's move on.

01:14:43.000 And that's a psychological defense mechanism, so people don't have a responsibility to fight this.

01:14:51.000 What I want to expand out into is that, you know, you talked about Benjamin Franklin and there's evidence he clearly was a British agent.

01:14:58.000 They tried to control these revolutions.

01:15:00.000 I believe a lot of it got out of their control for a while.

01:15:02.000 That's why you had so much freedom and expansion here.

01:15:05.000 I believe they did get back into control.

01:15:06.000 I want to get your response to that.

01:15:08.000 But you talk about Thomas Jefferson.

01:15:10.000 He obviously did uh... some damage

01:15:14.000 you say these theaters of fighting today that is going on it's always going on

01:15:17.000 but uh... what about saying thomas jefferson is a bloodline and

01:15:20.000 they are using thomas jefferson one of them too

01:15:23.000 talk about franklin and jefferson well i think it's coming up

01:15:27.000 my feeling is that uh... at least the vast majority of uh...

01:15:31.000 presidents from washington to bush

01:15:33.000 i've either been uh... in awareness uh... uh...

01:15:36.000 puppets because that's what presidents are of of this uh...

01:15:40.000 this manipulation all they have been people putting power who have themselves

01:15:44.000 been manipulated to i'd fancy gender unknowingly

01:15:48.000 Benjamin Franklin was a member of something called the Hellfire Club at a place near wickham

01:15:56.000 uh... just north of london uh... on the estate of a guy called sir francis

01:16:00.000 dashwood uh... who was a british government minister

01:16:03.000 and uh... the hellfire club uh... on that uh... dashwood estate used to take

01:16:07.000 part in in uh...

01:16:09.000 satanic ritual of human sacrifice indeed members of the british royal family the

01:16:12.000 benjamin franklin supposed to be opposing uh... were members of the hellfire club and that you

01:16:18.000 mentioned earlier in uh... a street uh... just off of trafalgar square where

01:16:24.000 benjamin franklin used to live

01:16:25.000 a few years ago it uh... there was reported in uh... some british

01:16:28.000 newspapers that uh... they had a One and a half million pound grant to renovate this house as a museum to Benjamin Franklin's life.

01:16:37.000 It was in the level of when he had been there.

01:16:41.000 Yeah, Craven Street near Trafalgar Square.

01:16:43.000 And when they dug the floor up as part of this renovation, they found ten bodies, six of them children.

01:16:49.000 And the newspaper articles were saying that Uh, they had been dated to the time Franklin was there.

01:16:56.000 He must have been doing a medical experiment, though, they said.

01:16:58.000 Well, that's exactly what they said.

01:17:00.000 They said he and his housemate must have been into body-snatching for medical research.

01:17:04.000 But when you put together the Hellfire Club with that, it could take on, quite clearly, other possibilities.

01:17:12.000 Well, we know he was a British agent.

01:17:13.000 He died in England.

01:17:14.000 Yeah, and he was also, if you look at his history, he was in London.

01:17:20.000 He was also in Paris.

01:17:23.000 And Paris and London are very much a dynamic duo of the Illuminati manipulation in Europe.

01:17:29.000 Indeed, when you follow this through, you find when they left Babylon, they eventually headquartered very, very much in Rome at the time, the

01:17:38.000 Roman Empire, and then they moved eventually through Europe into London, and interestingly

01:17:42.000 that was the run up to the British Empire.

01:17:45.000 And more and more I've understood that these empires, like the British Empire, the Roman

01:17:49.000 Empire, etc., are not empires of Rome and England.

01:17:53.000 and britain so much as empires of the illuminati which had a quarter that

01:17:56.000 operation in those countries at the time i think america now is obviously um...

01:18:01.000 very much uh... part of the uh... the control also um...

01:18:06.000 but i still think europe is a is the major player

01:18:08.000 and all the majority owner of the private central banks is uh...

01:18:12.000 cold money and whether it's the crops or the uh... you know that the the british love their own

01:18:17.000 families on the but i mean there are a couple of different

01:18:21.000 They're Sachs-Coburgs. 0.99

01:18:24.000 They're not even British, they're German.

01:18:26.000 This is the ludicrous nature of the way people are manipulated.

01:18:31.000 The German royal family moved in to become the British royal family, as you rightly say, the Saxe-Coburg Gophers. 0.99

01:18:37.000 And then when the British and the Germans were fighting each other in those staggeringly appalling trench warfare... The press was hanging out in Nazi Germany later, and then finally... Yeah, and the royal family thought it'd be good PR, or bad PR, to retain a German name.

01:18:56.000 So that's why they changed the name from Saxe-Coburg Gophers to Windsor.

01:19:01.000 For no other reason than to obscure, as much as possible, the German roots.

01:19:06.000 And people like Lord Mountbatten and other members of the royal family were very, very close and fundamentally involved with the, well, their family members in Germany who were supporting Hitler.

01:19:19.000 And then a few Nazis got burned, but the Krumps and all the people that got the power, they own the banks, the pharmaceuticals, Ford, you know, they own it all now. 0.96

01:19:29.000 Yeah, plus the fact that, of course, from the American expression of that, exactly the same thing was going on.

01:19:35.000 You had the Dulles brothers, who later became head of the CIA and Secretary of State.

01:19:40.000 You had the Rockefellers, you had the Harrimans, and you had the Bush family also involved in the supporting of Hitler and the Nazis.

01:19:48.000 In 1942 and 1943, they paid giant fines.

01:19:50.000 Prescott was briefly arrested for running 53% of Nazi steel production.

01:19:55.000 Yeah, and they were just, if you like, the American arm of the Illuminati.

01:20:01.000 And out of these crises, they were doing the same, supporting their German relatives who were supporting Hitler. 0.69

01:20:07.000 I mean, the real story behind the official history is the official reality.

01:20:14.000 And then out of this crisis, they get their world government.

01:20:16.000 their failed League of Nations gets restarted and now they have the same thing.

01:20:20.000 The live CIA guy admitted that they give the nukes to North Korea,

01:20:24.000 they give them to Pakistan, they give the weapons to Saddam. 0.77

01:20:27.000 Over and over again they arm the boogeymen.

01:20:29.000 I would actually make this point, Alex, in relation to that.

01:20:33.000 I wonder out loud whether this apparent crisis in the UN and what Germany and Russia and France are doing

01:20:45.000 is not a subplot to bring to public appreciation that the UN is not working.

01:20:56.000 Therefore, if the UN is not working and does not have credibility, then there has to be something to replace it that has.

01:21:04.000 What we need is a world government.

01:21:06.000 I just wonder whether this sub-plot is actually... Well, no, I mean... David, they've already said... The question is, do you want a left-wing or a right-wing world government?

01:21:14.000 Instead of, do you want a world government?

01:21:16.000 They've already set that debate up, and this is also energizing the left-wing worldwide.

01:21:22.000 You know, the general public, you feel like their ideas are good, so... It's just massive, but it turns out the UN's already got the invasion takeover administration plan for Iraq.

01:21:32.000 It's all just smoke and mirrors.

01:21:35.000 Plus, the people are against the war, so they've got to play along a little bit.

01:21:38.000 Do you agree with that?

01:21:39.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like what's happening now is there is a kind of reaction going through the UN and all that stuff to what the public is saying.

01:21:50.000 And one of the things I said on my website, just hold on a second, Why is there such a large number of people in opinion polls who are against America and Britain going alone and killing thousands of Iraqi civilians, but still a majority if the UN sanction it, as if the UN is an entity that is operating independently?

01:22:16.000 The same forces that are working through the U.N.

01:22:18.000 are the same forces that are working through the British and American governments. 0.54

01:22:22.000 So, in effect, whether there's another resolution or whatever is irrelevant to the fact that they intend to go and kill these civilians.

01:22:30.000 Now, either you agree that that's right or you don't.

01:22:32.000 It's no good saying, yes, I agree if there's a resolution, another one, but I don't if there's not.

01:22:36.000 That's a total mind game and totally irrelevant.

01:22:39.000 All right, we've got a bunch of calls.

01:22:41.000 Let's go through them quick.

01:22:42.000 Question or comment?

01:22:43.000 We've got to move on.

01:22:44.000 I just wanted to call and encourage you guys to get together again on Alex's show or whenever you get a chance.

01:22:48.000 Hey David, both you guys, I just wanted to call and encourage you guys to get together

01:22:54.000 again on Alex's show or whenever you get a chance.

01:22:59.000 Big New World Order fighter, myself and my family.

01:23:03.000 So I just wanted to encourage you to do that.

01:23:06.000 I've been on hold for like an hour so I'm kind of just trying to keep up with the subjects

01:23:10.000 you're going over.

01:23:11.000 But as far as, we were talking about a few minutes ago about how they kind of shift their

01:23:16.000 centers of power from one country to the next.

01:23:20.000 And I was going to mention to you, I'm sure...

01:23:21.000 I know David Icke is familiar with Carol Quigley because he quotes her in your books.

01:23:27.000 You quote Carol Quigley all the time.

01:23:29.000 I'm sure you're familiar with Carol Quigley as well, but in "Evolutions of Civilizations"

01:23:34.000 and his book by Carol Quigley, "The Tragedy and Hope" a little bit, he goes over it.

01:23:39.000 That's just certain patterns to civilization.

01:23:42.000 and you know on how they start and how they grow and how they die.

01:23:46.000 Let me break that down real quick, just in a nutshell, and I'll let you finish up in a second, Vance.

01:23:51.000 What you've got going on here, California is where it all starts now,

01:23:56.000 the center for the revolutionary moves here to take over, or New York.

01:23:59.000 After they've set up their tax base, dumbed the people down, sucked them dry like vampires, they have to move on to a new area.

01:24:07.000 David, do you agree with that?

01:24:09.000 Yeah, I think they have moved to several headquarters, and it may well be that the move, the real center of operation may well be moved to the United States.

01:24:22.000 But my feeling about this is that if you want someone to look in the opposite direction to where the real manipulation is being orchestrated from... Absolutely, it's definitely in Europe.

01:24:33.000 You have to set up a foreguy, and my feeling is...

01:24:37.000 I'm married to America.

01:24:38.000 I'm married to an American.

01:24:39.000 And I feel for Americans in so many ways for this reason.

01:24:42.000 I think America has been set up to take the heat, to be the great Satan in the eyes of many people.

01:24:48.000 I agree.

01:24:49.000 And in the U.N.

01:24:50.000 and the Euro, that's where the real power is.

01:24:53.000 And in the Euro, plays the part of the good guy.

01:24:54.000 Vance, you've got 20 seconds.

01:24:55.000 Finish up.

01:24:57.000 Oh, that's about it.

01:24:58.000 Just wanted to encourage you guys to get together and, uh, more often so we can listen to you.

01:25:02.000 And, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm sure you know I just wanted to... Politics is a battle for power, a struggle for power.

01:25:09.000 Over the course of time, one political unit gathers so much power, they're able to overwhelm the rest of the political units, eliminating... That's why the globalists try to control revolutions, thanks for the call, and create them.

01:25:21.000 Real quick, gotta go to these calls quick now.

01:25:23.000 Stan in Missouri, go ahead.

01:25:27.000 All right, we'll let him go.

01:25:29.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:25:30.000 This is Stan.

01:25:31.000 Okay, Stan.

01:25:32.000 Hi, Stan.

01:25:33.000 David, in your second book, I read that you mentioned that Hillary Clinton is a practicing witch and she belongs to a witch coven. 0.73

01:25:41.000 How high up is she in this coven? 1.00

01:25:44.000 Well, I can only go on what people who are involved in that kind of thing and now very reluctantly involved or have been involved in have come out.

01:25:54.000 She's done séances publicly, Time Magazine's reported it.

01:25:57.000 Yeah, and I think she's certainly higher from the people that have talked to me than her husband, and certainly more powerful.

01:26:06.000 But again, if someone is In the public eye, who is there to be identified and targeted, they're still nowhere near the top of the hierarchy, because those people don't do that.

01:26:18.000 They don't put themselves on public display.

01:26:20.000 Thanks, Stan.

01:26:20.000 Yeah, they pose.

01:26:21.000 They pose like presidents are really our leaders.

01:26:24.000 A good question.

01:26:24.000 Thanks, Stan.

01:26:26.000 Storm in Texas.

01:26:27.000 Go ahead.

01:26:27.000 You're on the air.

01:26:28.000 Hello, Alex.

01:26:29.000 Hello, David.

01:26:30.000 Hello, Storm.

01:26:31.000 I want to hit on two points.

01:26:32.000 First off, reptilian genetics.

01:26:34.000 And second, the ultimate, I believe, in the problem-reaction-solution scenario, The staged alien invasion, which I think is due pretty soon.

01:26:43.000 There's an admitted government plan to do that.

01:26:45.000 They got the big hologram machines or Allah or Jesus.

01:26:48.000 Whatever they want, they can project it.

01:26:50.000 That's admitted.

01:26:50.000 David, any comments?

01:26:52.000 I think there's a strong possibility of something like that because Henry Kissinger was reported to have said at one of the Bilderberg meetings, basically, If people can be frightened of something, they will give

01:27:07.000 their power away.

01:27:07.000 And the greatest fear that people have is fear of the unknown, which is true.

01:27:12.000 Therefore, if people were threatened or feared an invasion from outside of this earth,

01:27:22.000 They would have no problem not only in accepting, and I'm paraphrasing here, but demanding that troops were on the streets of Los Angeles.

01:27:31.000 Hold on, Storm.

01:27:32.000 And we see the media playing this up and now legitimizing with the Disclosure Project and others.

01:27:37.000 Go ahead, Storm.

01:27:38.000 Yeah, I actually have the quote right in front of me.

01:27:40.000 It says, Today, America will be outraged if you and your troops in Los Angeles restore order, referring to the riot.

01:27:45.000 Tomorrow, they will be grateful, believe it or not.

01:27:47.000 This is especially true if they were told that an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence.

01:27:54.000 Thanks for the call.

01:27:54.000 I gotta break.

01:27:55.000 Final segment.

01:27:55.000 David Icke, coming up.

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01:28:34.000 We know this.

01:28:35.000 The Globalists are cunning. 1.00

01:28:36.000 They're ruthless. 1.00

01:28:37.000 They're totally evil. 0.99

01:28:40.000 That is clear.

01:28:41.000 And they must be resisted.

01:28:43.000 We must have an awakening across the planet against the New World Order.

01:28:46.000 We must retain our national sovereignty and our freedom.

01:28:48.000 We must kick the globalists out.

01:28:50.000 And to do that, it's going to take a renaissance of understanding.

01:28:52.000 We're only going to have time to talk to John and Cliff.

01:28:55.000 I'm sorry to the other callers.

01:28:57.000 David, I hope that you will come back on the show because my producer walked in just now with about 50 emails.

01:29:05.000 I never have time to get to all these questions.

01:29:07.000 We've got a bunch of other callers.

01:29:08.000 Will you come back on in a month or so?

01:29:09.000 Not a problem, mate.

01:29:10.000 It's been really, really good.

01:29:11.000 All right.

01:29:12.000 Real quick, how do folks get Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center disaster?

01:29:15.000 Well, they go to the website davidike.com, David Ike being one word in the address, or they call 888-609-5006, 888-609-5006.

01:29:22.000 uh... eight eight eight six oh nine five oh oh six eight eight eight six oh nine

01:29:27.000 five oh oh six and i'm speaking in tyler texas on a all day on april the

01:29:32.000 twelfth the sheraton hotel

01:29:34.000 and uh... that's in the carter taxes say perlite

01:29:38.000 April 12th.

01:29:39.000 April 12th, all day.

01:29:40.000 At the Sheridan Hotel.

01:29:41.000 Details are on the website of how to get tickets.

01:29:44.000 All right.

01:29:45.000 And that's going to be about 6-7 hours of taking the whole spectrum of the thing.

01:29:50.000 Well, it takes time.

01:29:52.000 John in Ohio, you're on the air with David Icke.

01:29:54.000 Go ahead.

01:29:55.000 Well, I was just trying to say that a lot of things, but you mentioned about the U.N.

01:29:59.000 bribery and blackmail.

01:30:00.000 John Pilger on The Great British Journalist on ZMAG.org pointed out that the United States has been using gangster mafia tactics to bribe, blackmail, and threaten.

01:30:10.000 But it's not the United States.

01:30:11.000 It's the globalists controlling it.

01:30:13.000 Okay, but they've been using mafia tactics to, in effect, Use this charade that if people say, if you can bribe blackmail and get some of these corrupt politicians on the Security Council to go along with it.

01:30:25.000 Yeah, they said that!

01:30:26.000 Out in the open they're doing this.

01:30:27.000 Do you have a question or comment for David Icke?

01:30:30.000 Yeah, I think this occultism of the conspirators is really an attempt by them to sort of psych themselves up sociopathically for the kinds of genocides.

01:30:41.000 Yeah, we see psychopaths always engaging in bizarre rituals.

01:30:44.000 Thanks for the call.

01:30:45.000 Any comments to that, David?

01:30:46.000 Yeah, I think what he was saying about the bribery and corruption is something that's just coming to light here and there, but it's actually going on behind the scenes all the time.

01:30:56.000 And the comment you made, I would like to emphasize, this is not the United States, it's not Americans, it's not the British, it's not this...

01:31:08.000 All pervading kind of title we give to... It's hijackers controlling the mechanisms of power through large governments and populations manipulating the Grand Chess Board.

01:31:19.000 Exactly.

01:31:19.000 It is the same force that is working through all these apparently unconnected governments and sources of power.

01:31:25.000 It is not America. 0.68

01:31:27.000 It is those that control America. 0.96

01:31:29.000 Alright, one last caller.

01:31:32.000 Absolutely, one last caller.

01:31:33.000 You've got 45 seconds.

01:31:34.000 Cliff in Oklahoma, go ahead.

01:31:35.000 Hello, Alex?

01:31:36.000 Yes.

01:31:37.000 Hey, how are you doing?

01:31:37.000 I just want to say I like the show.

01:31:38.000 I'm really glad that you'll have David Eichen on here.

01:31:42.000 And I just want to say that, you know, regardless of our theories about the endgame, the globalists, I just want to say we've all got the same mindset about stopping them and stopping the corruption and setting up a better world.

01:31:54.000 God bless you.

01:31:55.000 Thanks for that call.

01:31:56.000 That's a good final note.

01:31:57.000 David, what will life be like under the New World Order if we don't defeat them in five years?

01:32:02.000 Well, quite simply, I would say basically look at Nazi Germany and then expand that to the globe. 0.73

01:32:08.000 And that's what you're looking at.

01:32:10.000 You're looking at all areas of our lives being controlled.

01:32:13.000 With a brave new world genetic engineering thing thrown in.

01:32:15.000 All that stuff, microchip population, and I could say a lot about that and the nature of what the microchip's about.

01:32:21.000 It's not just about electronic tagging, it's about mental and emotional manipulation and indeed effects on the physical body of people they want to take out.

01:32:31.000 But I am so, so positive that we are looking here at a trans... 0.97

01:32:37.000 I agree.

01:32:38.000 We're on the march.

01:32:40.000 The Empire is on the run.

01:32:42.000 God bless you.

01:32:42.000 I appreciate you and all the listeners and our affiliates and sponsors.

01:32:48.000 David Ike, take care.

01:32:49.000 We're on the march, the empire's on the run.

01:32:52.000 God bless you, I appreciate you and all the listeners and our affiliates and sponsors.

01:32:56.000 David Ike, take care, talk to you again.

01:32:59.000 I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight, Central Standard Time.

01:33:03.000 We will rebroadcast this interview.

01:33:05.000 God bless you all.

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