Alex Jones Show - 20030423_Pratt_Alex

00:00:01.000 Not be that hardcore, but he knows what's going on.

00:00:04.000 Larry, thanks for joining us via ISDN via stereo line.

00:00:09.000 It's like you're in the studio.

00:00:12.000 There's a lot going on.

00:00:13.000 Can you give us the skinning on what's happening?

00:00:17.000 Well, the most recent development, you've already mentioned, I think, is the Bush gun ban.

00:00:25.000 He wants to team up with Dianne Feinstein.

00:00:29.000 And when we learned about that, our mouths dropped open.

00:00:33.000 What in the world would be the political advantage?

00:00:38.000 Forget the Constitution, because we know what regard that's got here in town, but to I would suggest that the thing that put him in the White House is now an issue that he wants to flip over on the other side on.

00:00:54.000 It was the perception, correct, that Al Gore wanted to grab your guns that made the yellow dog state of West Virginia go Republican.

00:01:02.000 And it sounds like the thing that did his daddy's political career in, saying, vote for me, I'll cut your taxes, and then raising them, it's that same lying instinct.

00:01:12.000 Well, it's very perplexing because both of them, I guess, got a little heady when they had a successful war going on.

00:01:21.000 Ratings are high, and Bush 1 told Republicans, when he wanted them to vote for the tax increase, just blame it on me.

00:01:30.000 Well, they did, and he took it right in the head, politically.

00:01:36.000 And if Bush thinks that his popularity will endure an assault on guns the same as a, you know, if he wants to team up with Charlie Schumer and Dianne Feinstein, not to mention Hillary Clinton, I don't think he's going to like the outcome.

00:01:55.000 Now, Barbara Boxer is more conservative than Bush, in reality, on the gun issue. 0.99

00:01:58.000 She said arm all pilots.

00:02:01.000 That showed Bush didn't want to arm any of them.

00:02:03.000 So he said, OK, jump through 100 flaming hoops, you might be able to have a gun.

00:02:07.000 In my Democrat-Bureaucrat, Tommy Thompson says you can.

00:02:12.000 So this is the reality.

00:02:13.000 And now, I talked to you a few weeks ago, and you said you had your lawyers, your constitutional scholars, there in D.C.

00:02:19.000 looking at the Patriot Act.

00:02:22.000 I read the analysis last night.

00:02:24.000 It's worse than my analysis.

00:02:26.000 It's on InfoWars.com.

00:02:27.000 We now have your analysis posted, a hyperlink directly to it, on InfoWars.com, or you can go to GunOwners.org.

00:02:32.000 Well, the advantage we had is that the particular individual that ended up doing this had worked in the Senate for perhaps a quarter of a century, and he now does consulting, and we're fortunate to have him.

00:02:47.000 He was able to look at the different areas of the code and there's, I don't know, three

00:02:53.000 or four different sections of the federal code that are amended by this act or added

00:02:59.000 onto and so you had to go back and look at the original language to understand what was

00:03:05.000 being said.

00:03:06.000 If all you had was the bill itself in front of you, you really didn't have enough.

00:03:10.000 My analysis is six pages long, and I give the subsection where they say, you don't have to commit a crime, we'll secretly arrest you, you'll never be seen again, secret executions, basically gun owners are going to be terrorized. 0.68

00:03:23.000 You guys have written an analysis that says the same thing, in fact even worse, can be secretly arrested, never seen again.

00:03:30.000 On page six it says, here's the bottom line at its lowest common denominator, a native-born American could be stripped of his citizenship and permanently and clandestinely detained in a secret location without charges and without an attorney, if he, and then it also says later you can be secretly executed.

00:03:48.000 That's what it says in the bill.

00:03:49.000 and uh... it can hear it says uh... basically is uh... engaging terrorist activity

00:03:56.000 uh... in the use of a firearm with the intent to endanger directly or indirectly

00:04:01.000 the safety or one or more individuals or cause substantial damage to property

00:04:06.000 so and that's just one section you found there are dozens where it says

00:04:09.000 any action that endangers human life uh... the gets your life in prison

00:04:14.000 uh... any action that aids terrorist unknowingly gets you secretly in prison

00:04:19.000 or executed i mean this thing is worse than what Stalin put on paper

00:04:22.000 Larry and even if they were nice to you and let you out after a couple of

00:04:26.000 days because you have been suspected of being a terrorist they

00:04:29.000 would have taken a d_n_a_ sample and added it into the national database that they're

00:04:33.000 building Oh, and then they say, oh, well, we're not really trying to pass this.

00:04:37.000 USA Today, last Wednesday, Bush wants DNA database for all, not just criminals or those that have misdemeanors, but anyone who's ever arrested, including a traffic stop.

00:04:47.000 They want to slurp your blood. 0.99

00:04:49.000 And now I have the articles from Oklahoma, from Arizona, from Colorado, where they say they're going to have roadside checkpoints taking our blood.

00:04:57.000 Does that sound like a free country, Larry?

00:04:59.000 I think what we need is to take the DNA of all politicians and leave the rest of us alone.

00:05:04.000 They've got it backwards.

00:05:05.000 The people are not supposed to be transparent.

00:05:08.000 The government is.

00:05:09.000 And there's not supposed to be that much government, so you don't have that much to look through anyway.

00:05:13.000 Well, it's a giant analysis of the Patriot Act.

00:05:16.000 Key points.

00:05:17.000 Second Amendment points.

00:05:18.000 Key areas that Larry Pratt's constitutional scholar found.

00:05:21.000 It was a very impressive job.

00:05:24.000 This guy not only is good at analyzing bills, he's good at writing them, and he's He knows the rules of the Senate, I think, better than any senator.

00:05:34.000 Several years ago, there was a filibuster going on that the Republicans were leading when there was still some willingness to try to throw roadblocks up.

00:05:44.000 Bobby Byrd was the majority leader at that time, and when he came into the chamber and saw the snarl that everything was in. He said, "I'll bet it's that

00:05:55.000 blankety blank" and then he named the guy that did that. He's the only blankety blank 0.51

00:06:01.000 that can get us out of this mess too. So we had a very keen eye looking at this and we're

00:06:08.000 very certain that what he has produced is right on. He doesn't miss much. One of the

00:06:16.000 things that he's good about is he doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt.

00:06:20.000 If there's any ambiguity in the language...

00:06:24.000 He has learned over the years that that ambiguity will always be exploited by the guys that have the most guns.

00:06:31.000 Well, let me give you an example.

00:06:33.000 You know, I read the first Patriot Act, and frankly, I was one of the first people, like two days after it finally was made public, as Ron Paul said, they weren't allowed to read it.

00:06:41.000 They were told at midnight past this, the Democrats, Republicans in the House had taken bad stuff out.

00:06:46.000 The Democrats teamed up with Bush.

00:06:48.000 Schumer had the really bad stuff put back in.

00:06:50.000 Again, these two were probably vacationing together, literally.

00:06:54.000 And it passed and then I went in and looked at the section and on the sunset section it said there is no sunset and it listed the key police state provisions like 213 and others and and and you know I've made that point and now I look at the first Patriot Act section 802 says if you try to influence politicians that's terrorism well that's that's Gunners of America.

00:07:17.000 That's Alex Jones.

00:07:18.000 You know that's the ACLU that's anybody.

00:07:22.000 Then it says Or any action that endangers human life is a violation of any federal or state law.

00:07:28.000 Well, the new Patriot Act says in a subsection, we have this in my analysis, says it doesn't matter, Section 802 isn't strong enough.

00:07:35.000 We want everything to be terrorism.

00:07:37.000 We want to be able to grab you for no reason.

00:07:40.000 And if a cop tells the news where we took you, he gets life in a FEMA camp.

00:07:44.000 So, this is insane, Larry.

00:07:47.000 As you know, this is the very definition of tyranny.

00:07:52.000 What are we going to do about it?

00:07:54.000 We might point out that there's not a whole lot of difference between the provisions of this act and the way Saddam Hussein was running his little tyranny, or for that matter, the tyrannies of the last century.

00:08:06.000 This is the provision for a secret police.

00:08:09.000 When the police do things in secret, that is, by definition, secret police.

00:08:15.000 And I think we help ourselves to a certain extent by calling things what they are.

00:08:22.000 And by the way, there may well be some kind of a sunset in that first Patriot Act still because Orrin Hatch wants to take it out.

00:08:34.000 he's got a bill in his committee that would do that so and and that's a conservative republican

00:08:41.000 trying to do that uh... these guys are giving us a lot of challenging i'm

00:08:46.000 just delighted that members of gun owners of america are not

00:08:49.000 bedazzled by and

00:08:51.000 the popularity of the president at the moment. I think most of our members

00:08:56.000 tend to support the president on the war, but it didn't stop him from

00:09:00.000 immediately responding with real vigor to tell him that... Well, I mean, Larry, let's be honest.

00:09:06.000 They're using that goodwill.

00:09:08.000 In the election, they're going to say, "Who are you going to vote for?"

00:09:11.000 Gore, or Stonebones, Kerry, or are you going to vote for me?

00:09:15.000 Ha, ha, ha.

00:09:16.000 And I say, let the Democrats in, because that will energize the conservative base in reality, and oppose the UN takeover, oppose this whole New World Order.

00:09:26.000 I think if we put George Bush back in office, he's going to do what his daddy did.

00:09:30.000 He's going to gun grab, he's going to raise taxes, he's going to do all this.

00:09:33.000 I'm tired of it.

00:09:34.000 I'm tired of neocons.

00:09:36.000 You know, Larry, on these big national talk shows, the big establishment ones, they won't, they will tell you you're a liar if you say Bush is supporting Clinton's gun ban.

00:09:46.000 I mean, it's almost like reality isn't allowed or something.

00:09:51.000 And I, for one, am sick and tired of it.

00:09:53.000 I mean, they want to secretly arrest me and they say for crime, not even terrorism now, and I disappear forever.

00:10:00.000 And by the way, they want my guns.

00:10:01.000 I mean, that gets my blood boiling, Larry.

00:10:04.000 It's so much of a police state provision that's unbelievable.

00:10:09.000 And to his credit, by the way, Bob Barr, who did vote for it, now is repenting and says that it's a terrible piece of legislation.

00:10:17.000 This is Patriot One.

00:10:19.000 He's obviously had a chance to read it.

00:10:22.000 But you know, part of the problem, and where I might disagree with you, is that when you talk about the conservatives being energized, I didn't really see enough of that under Clinton.

00:10:32.000 to make me confident that that would happen if there were a Democrat.

00:10:36.000 And the Republicans were so supine during that time that they were letting judges go through,

00:10:42.000 they were voting for education...

00:10:46.000 Well Larry, you're up there in D.C.

00:10:48.000 Okay? Bush is for open borders.

00:10:51.000 Senator Bob Smith, they targeted him because he was a real conservative.

00:10:54.000 Got him removed, put the neocon Sununu in. 0.86

00:10:57.000 They publicly said they're targeting Tom Tancredo because he's pro-America.

00:11:01.000 They're putting hit pieces in the media on him.

00:11:03.000 Bush said you're not going to be re-elected.

00:11:05.000 Uh, because he's for sovereignty.

00:11:07.000 Uh, Bush is signed on to UNESCO.

00:11:10.000 Uh, Bush is blocking Dan Burton's Committee of Investigation of Pardongate.

00:11:14.000 He signed campaign finance reform, where if that was implemented, I couldn't have you on 60 days before an election.

00:11:21.000 You know, I think we forget here, I don't know, I mean, I mean, I...

00:11:25.000 I think we got Chuckie Schumer in the White House.

00:11:27.000 I mean, past the rhetoric, I don't know what we're supposed to do.

00:11:30.000 I mean, this is a nightmare.

00:11:31.000 Well, at least politically, I don't think they're going to be able to budge Tom Tancredo, nor get him out of office.

00:11:38.000 The problem that Bob Smith had was that he had left the Republican Party and said some strong truths about them, and then had come back in.

00:11:48.000 Now, others have done that successfully, but the first test is your first re-election.

00:11:55.000 Ron Paul actually had run for president as a libertarian and then had come back in and gotten elected and the party threw everything at him but the kitchen sink.

00:12:05.000 But he has his own funding sources.

00:12:08.000 He didn't have to depend on the Republican Party largesse, and so he was able to withstand it.

00:12:13.000 In Tancredo's case, he's been re-elected since taking his position.

00:12:17.000 68%, yeah.

00:12:18.000 Yeah, so I think, you know, if they want to fire at him, fine, they're just going to waste their ammo, and it'd probably be a good idea if they... Oh, and you've got Bush taking millions from known terror sponsors.

00:12:30.000 That's been all over the news.

00:12:32.000 Well, I think it's getting harder for them to carry out these campaigns.

00:12:35.000 credo does all of these evil 0.98

00:12:38.000 when there's no way to know where these donations are coming from sure and they

00:12:41.000 can call any group whatever they want to meet you know some group did

00:12:44.000 senior donation you wouldn't know they have an affiliation with another group

00:12:47.000 so i see these dirty tricks against real conservatives it makes me

00:12:52.000 compute and i'm sick of it larry well i think it's getting harder for them to carry out

00:12:57.000 these campaigns now admittedly

00:13:00.000 uh... mckinney went down uh...

00:13:03.000 Yeah, she's not a conservative, but my point is it's that same dirty trick. 0.91

00:13:03.000 She was targeted. 0.91

00:13:06.000 I was just using the example.

00:13:08.000 But if and when they try that on a conservative, we now have assets that we didn't have ten years ago.

00:13:14.000 And we're able to communicate directly with the American people, and you're certainly an excellent... So you mean real conservative, real constitutional internet sites and alternative conservative radio shows that aren't the ultra-liberal neocons?

00:13:30.000 Exactly, and I mean this afternoon, unless they change the schedule, I'm supposed to be on MSNBC.

00:13:35.000 Pat Buchanan may have a new hour, so I'm going to have a shot at talking about these frivolous lawsuits that are being brought against gun companies.

00:13:44.000 And, you know, I get to go out on live television, so... If they win one of those, Larry, one of these suits, we're cooked.

00:13:52.000 And we're cooked even if we don't stop them because these things are absolutely draining these companies financially.

00:13:58.000 And that, as the head of the NAACP said the other day when he filed his suit up in Brooklyn, we're aiming to break the back of the gun industry.

00:14:09.000 Yeah, and Cuomo said we're going to kill a death by a thousand cuts.

00:14:11.000 Clinton said we're going to eat it like an elephant, one bite at a time. 0.90

00:14:14.000 I mean, this is racketeering.

00:14:16.000 This is criminal subversion.

00:14:19.000 We'll be right back.

00:14:26.000 I got a star on my car.

00:14:28.000 Well, I really do appreciate Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners America, joining us at the website

00:14:32.000 gunowners.org.

00:14:34.000 I appreciate gun owners because they'll put out an alert and tell you what the gun bills are.

00:14:40.000 The NRA won't really do that on most gun bills, just let them pass.

00:14:44.000 And I guess supports S-22 that will register all gun owners.

00:14:48.000 And Larry told us a few weeks ago he was on that it actually has a total information awareness network clause to spy on gun owners.

00:14:55.000 So it's worse than I had first thought.

00:14:57.000 And I guess I just want to punish the neo-con-Republicans. 0.96

00:15:01.000 I want... Because they're worse than Democrats. 0.59

00:15:04.000 They get more through than Democrats.

00:15:06.000 And conservatives go to sleep and allow it.

00:15:09.000 But Larry, you're saying that you've seen the real conservatives, the constitutionalists, get really angry about Bush's latest gun grab, trying to reinstate the Clinton gun bill.

00:15:20.000 What has happened?

00:15:21.000 We had more response to this alert by far than anything else we've ever done before, ever.

00:15:30.000 People were just, I think they were insulted.

00:15:35.000 Not to mention anything else that might have been going through their heads.

00:15:38.000 What in the world?

00:15:41.000 And we didn't put it quite so tough, but some of the folks have gotten back to us and showed they not only sent our letter, but they sent one of their own.

00:15:51.000 And it starts off saying, so why don't you want to get re-elected, Mr. President?

00:15:59.000 Unbelievable.

00:16:00.000 Well, I mean, look, he's being hailed by Chuckie Schumer and Barbara Boxer and Feinstein and the million mommy bureaucrats. 0.97

00:16:09.000 I mean, it's disgusting. 0.70

00:16:12.000 It is the most amazing thing.

00:16:14.000 It doesn't really have any rational explanation that I can tell.

00:16:19.000 Well, it's a new world order agenda, Larry, and you've written about that, and you know what's going on.

00:16:26.000 Frankly, that's all it can help.

00:16:28.000 It doesn't help Republicans.

00:16:29.000 It doesn't help conservatives.

00:16:32.000 It completely neutralizes, to the extent that he succeeds with this, One of the more effective issues the party had to differentiate itself from the Democrats.

00:16:41.000 87% of those that were pro-gun won in the 98 elections and even higher than that in the 2000.

00:16:49.000 I'm sorry, what was the beginning of your sentence?

00:16:51.000 I saw statistics of 87% that were pro-gun won in 98 mid-term, and in 2000 it was even higher than that.

00:16:57.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:16:58.000 It's a winning issue.

00:17:00.000 It turned about 60 seats in 94.

00:17:04.000 Clinton was willing to admit 20, but of course we never really trust him for anything anyway.

00:17:10.000 And we know it turned the presidential election.

00:17:13.000 Now that's a whole lot of power.

00:17:14.000 He wouldn't even be in office if it weren't for this issue.

00:17:17.000 And to go and embrace the opposition to it, it absolutely tells you where he's headed.

00:17:23.000 And I tell you, the thing that struck me was, he's really thinking like the folks inside the Beltway do, this whole Homeland Security idea, the idea that we want to ban Homeland Security rifles, which is what we're really talking about.

00:17:39.000 This is a response of a bureaucrat of a control freak.

00:17:44.000 Larry, let's put it all together.

00:17:45.000 They got legislation to secretly arrest us for no reason.

00:17:48.000 It even says you don't have to commit a crime or be a terrorist.

00:17:51.000 Secretly take you away for your life and put you away.

00:17:53.000 No one knows where you're at.

00:17:55.000 And they want our guns with it.

00:17:56.000 That's exactly what Saddam did. 0.98

00:18:00.000 Well, I guess more lenient gun laws.

00:18:02.000 That's exactly what Hitler and Stalin did. 0.89

00:18:04.000 So this is bad, this is scary, and even time's up to stay with us into the next hour, part of the next hour.

00:18:11.000 The toll-free number to talk to Larry Pratt here on the Alex Jones Show is 1-800-259-9231 if you have any questions about there.

00:18:21.000 Incredible analysis of Patriot Act 2, or the Republican gun-grabbing with the Democrats that's going on, 1-800-259-9231.

00:18:31.000 Larry, what are some of the other things you want to talk about in the next 30 minutes?

00:18:35.000 Well, I'd like to continue along with this Homeland Security idea and show the mindset, what it's really... It's anti-individual citizen, anti-individual responsibility.

00:18:48.000 Absolutely.

00:18:49.000 It's a national ID card, thumb scanner by itself, Pentagon watching you.

00:18:54.000 It's a running man, Matrix, Brave New World, 1984, Orwellian Nightmare.

00:19:02.000 Second hour, I'm angry, you should be angry.

00:19:05.000 We got Larry Proud on with us.

00:19:06.000 Stay with us at 4Wars.com.

00:19:10.000 Big Brother.

00:19:17.000 Mainstream media.

00:19:18.000 Government cover-ups.

00:19:20.000 You want answers?

00:19:22.000 Well, so does he.

00:19:23.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:19:27.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:19:33.000 All right, my friends.

00:19:34.000 We've got some news on the economy coming up in about 30 minutes.

00:19:38.000 Also, what's happening in Iraq, the attack on Syria, and Rumsfeld's documents, where he says they want to attack North Korea next October.

00:19:47.000 We'll be discussing that later in the hour, and coming up in the next segment, we'll be taking your calls.

00:19:53.000 What did you think when you heard that Bush wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban, and all the stuff that that entails, and that he supports all these other bills that are going after our guns?

00:20:03.000 I'm asking the listeners that.

00:20:05.000 What did you think when I told you six months ago, I told you a year ago he was going to do this in 94, when the reauthorization comes up.

00:20:13.000 How did that affect you out there, and did that make you angry?

00:20:18.000 1-800-259-9231.

00:20:19.000 800-259-9231 with Larry Pratt in the next segment.

00:20:28.000 Larry, how are things going with, I know the House passed a bill to block lawsuits against gun makers.

00:20:36.000 Wonderful.

00:20:36.000 Where is that going?

00:20:37.000 Will Lord Bush sign it?

00:20:40.000 That's one measure that we do think he will sign.

00:20:43.000 He signed something similar as governor in Texas.

00:20:47.000 His position has been supportive of it.

00:20:51.000 It's been in committee in the Senate.

00:20:54.000 The antis will try to mount a filibuster, but I think that can be overcome because I think there are enough senators who, even if they're not pro-gun, they're anti-lawyer.

00:21:08.000 And this bill has a lot of a tort reform flavor to it because after they do this I

00:21:15.000 think they ought to come back for more put a cap on what some of these sharks can gargle. Well we've

00:21:21.000 already discussed that it's collusion and tracketeering.

00:21:24.000 And when you've got Cuomo, you've got all these other leaders saying, we're going to get the gun manufacturers, we're going to ban your guns by shutting down the manufacturers, death by a thousand cuts, eat the elephant one bite at a time.

00:21:35.000 That is the definition of racketeering.

00:21:36.000 They're saying they're going to shut a business or group of businesses down by discriminating and attacking them with frivolous lawsuits.

00:21:45.000 I mean, it's obvious.

00:21:45.000 They better give them liability protection, or they're now going to sue the hamburger makers.

00:21:50.000 They're going to sue Ford when a drunk runs over somebody in the street.

00:21:54.000 Or the Greens may well decide that they want to target a particular industry, and they're mean enough to do the same kind of thing that the anti-self-defense folks have been doing.

00:22:03.000 Well, my gun... I mean, if I want to go buy a $400 .40 Cal pistol, now the thing's $700 when it was $400 just a couple years ago.

00:22:11.000 So we're already seeing the cost of these lawsuits.

00:22:14.000 Oh, you bet we are.

00:22:15.000 And the other cost is going to be when you can't find a gun anywhere because a lawsuit in one state resulted in the changing of a policy system-wide.

00:22:27.000 Eventually, these companies are either going to go out of business or they're going to start capitulating.

00:22:32.000 And either way, we lose and Sara Brady wins.

00:22:37.000 And my capitulate, when Smith & Wesson was owned by the Redcoats, they tried to make people sign an agreement to waive their rights just to carry their guns. 0.99

00:22:45.000 They were going to be a shill for the gun grabbers, but luckily we found out and defused that and look where Smith & Wesson is.

00:22:51.000 That's right.

00:22:52.000 Now, they're slightly on the mend, but frankly, I'm not that happy with them because they now are owned by a company that makes trigger locks, and I really don't think I know when I would ever want to use a trigger lock.

00:23:06.000 If I don't want to use the gun for self-defense, I'm going to put it in a safe.

00:23:09.000 Well, this is training us to accept biometrics, Larry.

00:23:12.000 Well, I think that's definitely where they would like to go with it, and one of the things that Uh, so upset us about, uh, a gun with a chip in it, say, that it was an electronic device, is that that can be scrambled.

00:23:25.000 And then your gun is simply a three-pound paperweight.

00:23:29.000 Well, New Jersey passed that smart gun technology.

00:23:32.000 It was on the governor's desk in New Mexico.

00:23:34.000 California's probably going to pass it.

00:23:36.000 And then that'll set the precedent where manufacturers will have to make these, and then it's easy for them to pass it across the board.

00:23:42.000 We're very close to losing our guns.

00:23:44.000 We'll talk about the globalist strategy to disarm us, our strategy to defeat them, and we're talking to the head of the real, no-compromise gun group, not the Trojan horse gun grabber group. 0.51

00:23:55.000 We're talking to Gun Owners of America, GunOwners.org.

00:23:58.000 I'm Alex Jones, InfoWars.com is my website.

00:24:01.000 We'll get to your calls after this break.

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00:24:18.000 Alright, we're talking to Larry Pratt.

00:24:19.000 We've got a bunch of callers that want to talk to him, but Larry wanted to get into Homeland Security and this police state mentality and some of the other key areas where they're attacking our Second Amendment.

00:24:30.000 Give us that key analysis from your expert position there in the District of Criminals in D.C.

00:24:37.000 and then we'll go to these calls, Larry.

00:24:39.000 Okay, well let me be real brief.

00:24:41.000 I just wanted to make a contrast.

00:24:43.000 The response to an attack on the United States During World War II.

00:24:48.000 And it wasn't just Pearl Harbor.

00:24:49.000 There were Japanese and German submarines that were harassing both coasts.

00:24:53.000 The Japanese were trying to start forest fires with unmanned dirigibles loaded with fuel. 1.00

00:24:59.000 And the governors responded.

00:25:01.000 Not by calling Washington and asking for help there.

00:25:05.000 They figured Washington was out doing what it had to do abroad.

00:25:09.000 They called on the militia, and they had the militia patrol the shorelines, and actually, the Civil Air Patrol was part of that militia movement, looking at the coast, flying out a little bit into the ocean.

00:25:22.000 If you didn't have a gun, they'd hand you one.

00:25:25.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:25:26.000 And today, it's, oh, we need your guns, we've got to have armed police searching you.

00:25:32.000 We're going to leave the border wide open.

00:25:34.000 It's obvious they're using it as an excuse to crack down on us.

00:25:37.000 Only the experts need to be involved in self defense 60 years later.

00:25:41.000 This is a government problem.

00:25:43.000 And of course, even if you just accept what they're talking about, how is it that if a large bureaucracy, the FBI and the other Police agencies like that here in Washington were incapable of handling September 11 and completely missed them.

00:26:02.000 They were out looking for guys like you and me in the vast right-wing conspiracy because Reno had so directed the FBI and really made them politically correct.

00:26:12.000 And so the plane loads of victims flew right by their nose.

00:26:15.000 They never had a clue.

00:26:16.000 And when Patrick Leahy, Senator from Vermont, Ask Ashcroft, prior to the enactment of Patriot One, what are the powers in here that would have been used to stop September 11?

00:26:29.000 He said, none.

00:26:30.000 Oh no, they've told us now that they've taken more liberty.

00:26:32.000 Oh, get ready for even bigger attacks!

00:26:34.000 So then we'll take even more liberty.

00:26:37.000 We hate getting our pension funds expanded, more power and control.

00:26:40.000 Government never likes that, but gee, we've got to go ahead and enslave you. 0.99

00:26:44.000 And somehow we were supposed to believe that the ineptitude of a large bureaucracy was

00:26:50.000 somehow going to be relieved by making it even bigger.

00:26:53.000 And giving it unlimited power.

00:26:55.000 Sounds like a good idea.

00:26:56.000 That's a great point, though, Larry.

00:26:58.000 In World War II, they handed out guns.

00:27:00.000 We didn't have one.

00:27:02.000 They had the people defend the border.

00:27:04.000 Now you go down to defend the border.

00:27:05.000 The police will arrest you.

00:27:07.000 I drive through checkpoints.

00:27:09.000 They search my car internally, but there's no one on the border. 0.99

00:27:12.000 This is pathetic.

00:27:13.000 You know, it would be so simple to even make do, perhaps, with the existing Border Patrol forces that they have, if they would use the same technology they're using to try to seal borders in Afghanistan and work with our troops in Iraq. 0.94

00:27:30.000 Those Predator drones would be just excellent. 0.96

00:27:33.000 But let me tell you the scam.

00:27:35.000 Warner, you know, the Senator, Well, what is he, defense chairman right now over the committee?

00:27:41.000 Armed forces, I guess.

00:27:42.000 Yeah, he came out and he said in the news, he said, no, I want drones to watch U.S.

00:27:47.000 citizens.

00:27:49.000 And then they came out and they said, OK, well, what we're going to do is we're going to go ahead and we're going to say it's for the border.

00:27:56.000 It's the same story.

00:27:57.000 It isn't going to be for the border, Larry.

00:27:59.000 Well, I missed what Warner said.

00:28:01.000 That's outrageous.

00:28:02.000 I'm not surprised that he said it because he's really a New World Order type.

00:28:08.000 Uh, well, anyway, why don't we talk to the callers?

00:28:13.000 Let's see how they sell it to us.

00:28:14.000 We're about to go to Brisbane to be hung up.

00:28:16.000 Let's talk to Sylvester in South Carolina.

00:28:18.000 Sylvester, you're on the air.

00:28:19.000 Go ahead.

00:28:22.000 Go ahead, Sylvester, you're on the air.

00:28:24.000 Good morning, Mr. Pratt and Mr. Jones.

00:28:25.000 Hello.

00:28:26.000 Look, I'd like your opinion.

00:28:27.000 I can do a little article in a little paper, a small town little tape, and it was written by Robert Novak.

00:28:37.000 It's all about this bill that we've been talking about, the lawsuit bill.

00:28:43.000 Congressman Paul?

00:28:44.000 Yes sir.

00:28:45.000 And if the gun owners of America would.

00:28:51.000 It's all about this bill that we've been talking about, the lawsuit bill.

00:28:59.000 And Congressman Paul, I happen to disagree with him, but he made his argument based on

00:29:04.000 his understanding of the Constitution that this legislation was a violation of the basic

00:29:10.000 federal structure in the country and he had some criticisms that were perhaps even more

00:29:16.000 forceful about the wording of the law and it may not be as effective as people would

00:29:20.000 hope it would be.

00:29:22.000 Well, I disagreed with him, particularly on the federalist angle, because I think letting

00:29:27.000 a state determine what all states do is not federalism.

00:29:31.000 But that was an honest disagreement.

00:29:33.000 He's arguing that states should pass bans on suing that magnifier.

00:29:37.000 And that was the rest of his argument.

00:29:39.000 But how are you going to say that Ron Paul is anti-gun when he's the guy that has the legislation introduced that would do away with federal gun control?

00:29:49.000 That's a hard sell, and that's not going to go down in his district.

00:29:53.000 I know that district, and I've talked to the office since that.

00:29:58.000 He's right down the line.

00:29:59.000 and since the vote took place and there were people that wrote in and questioned why he

00:30:03.000 had voted the way he did and when he explained it, they can live with it because they know

00:30:07.000 that Ron Paul isn't playing games.

00:30:10.000 He is calling it the way he sees it.

00:30:12.000 He's right down the line.

00:30:13.000 He's got a bill to abolish the Federal Reserve, get us out of the UN.

00:30:17.000 He's got bills to repeal all the gun laws.

00:30:19.000 And so he's saying, hey, this is more federal control.

00:30:21.000 And I've read the bill.

00:30:22.000 It does have some holes in it.

00:30:23.000 But we have got, look, I'm for criminal charges against those that have called for racketeering and going against gun manufacturers.

00:30:30.000 They have said it's a conspiracy, Larry, to shut down the Second Amendment.

00:30:34.000 So I don't know why they're still walking around.

00:30:36.000 They're not behind bars.

00:30:37.000 They have absolutely done that.

00:30:39.000 The attorneys general at one point under Clinton, We're doing the same thing.

00:30:44.000 We're in an open conspiracy.

00:30:47.000 But of course, they're above the law, so RICO wouldn't apply to them.

00:30:50.000 It just applies to pro-lifers, and if gunnies ever had enough demonstrations to really bother them, they would do the same thing to gun owners.

00:31:00.000 So anyway, I think the NRA is... I'm not quite sure why they're that piqued with the congressman, because they had a zillion and one votes.

00:31:11.000 They're posing, Ron Paul didn't hold them up.

00:31:15.000 And so it's some petty issue.

00:31:16.000 They can now attack a real conservative and go after one of their real enemies.

00:31:21.000 I guarantee you, if they try something against him, it will be fruitless.

00:31:25.000 That man is so... He has been able to effectively explain to cotton farmers why the subsidies they've been getting are not good for them.

00:31:34.000 I mean, this guy is a very effective and articulate spokesman.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, he certainly is.

00:31:39.000 We've had him on many times.

00:31:40.000 We support him.

00:31:42.000 Yeah, there's one thing I have to say about this.

00:31:45.000 In my opinion, in other words, the federal government, you know, I'm in agreeance with what he says.

00:31:50.000 The federal government is trying to run the state.

00:31:55.000 Well, and... Isn't that the issue that he's against?

00:31:57.000 Of course, and... They already are, though, so we're just going to the federal government and saying, okay, then you can't go after gun makers.

00:32:05.000 You can't say that I can't have a gun in Virginia because of a lawsuit you had in Brooklyn, New York, which is the ultimate impact of what... And this becomes a larger, I guess, kind of preemption debate.

00:32:16.000 Exactly.

00:32:17.000 Thanks for the call, Sylvester.

00:32:19.000 Fred in South Dakota.

00:32:22.000 Fred, you're on the air with Larry Pratt.

00:32:23.000 Go ahead.

00:32:24.000 How are you doing, gentlemen?

00:32:25.000 Hello.

00:32:26.000 Yeah.

00:32:29.000 I've got two questions, essentially.

00:32:31.000 The first one would be, I tuned in a little late and I was wondering how far this S-22 has gone in their greasy little legislation, if it is law or whatever it is.

00:32:46.000 And the other question is, Mr. Pratt, you've lived in Washington for a time.

00:32:53.000 And it's been my experience that I've lived from one coast to the other coast in this country.

00:32:58.000 And I've seen that even, I can think way back when they were just getting rid of the cattle guards.

00:33:07.000 In the West, people didn't realize that they were pieces of steel grating to keep cattle in a particular area.

00:33:14.000 There were people in areas that actually believed that it was a human being that was being laid off.

00:33:19.000 Right.

00:33:19.000 People back here were thinking, well, I wonder how they dress cattle guards out there in the country.

00:33:24.000 Yes, it was amusing.

00:33:25.000 But the point is, are they that far out of touch?

00:33:30.000 They're dismally out of touch.

00:33:32.000 Oh, of course.

00:33:33.000 And do you believe in your heart of hearts that The day's coming when they start like this S-22 business.

00:33:41.000 They're going to be in for a surprise.

00:33:43.000 They didn't plan on it.

00:33:44.000 Well, let him answer it.

00:33:45.000 I mean, I can real quick say that thing passed the house last year.

00:33:49.000 The session ended.

00:33:50.000 Now it's back.

00:33:51.000 Where is it right now, Larry?

00:33:52.000 A component of it did.

00:33:54.000 Perhaps the nastiest, which is the so-called Our Lady of Peace, which would allow the psychiatrist to determine who does or does not have a gun.

00:34:02.000 But it's part of a larger bill that would put gun shows out of business and do all kinds of things.

00:34:08.000 It's kind of the omnibus barf bill.

00:34:11.000 And that is happily not moving at the moment.

00:34:17.000 It's still to be heard in committee.

00:34:19.000 But of course, with Bush shaking things up, it's going to embolden the other side.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, that's Bush giving aid and comfort to the enemy Democrats.

00:34:29.000 Well, there's all too much truth to that, I'm afraid.

00:34:31.000 You know, you guys are older than I am.

00:34:32.000 You're telling me people in D.C.

00:34:34.000 with people that are completely out of touch with their constituents totally, unfortunately.

00:34:41.000 But all too much truth to that, I'm afraid.

00:34:51.000 Well, actually, I talked to a congressman that had beaten George Bush.

00:34:56.000 I'm struggling to remember his name.

00:34:58.000 He was a very conservative Democrat.

00:35:01.000 And he told a joke without ever saying the word Bush, but he talked about this Connecticut Yankee that had been driving on his limo along the Texas road and he got lost and he asked for directions.

00:35:14.000 the directions finally led him up to the entrance to the ranch and the guy said

00:35:18.000 and you'll you'll uh... as soon as you go across the uh... the cattle

00:35:22.000 guards you'll be you know on the ranch and

00:35:25.000 the window rolled up at the limousine and they drove on and all of a sudden it

00:35:29.000 backed up and they said oh by the way those cattle guards how will

00:35:33.000 they be dressed I heard that

00:35:36.000 Hey, but here's the deal.

00:35:37.000 For those that don't know, in case, a cattle guard has bars in the ground so a cow won't step on it, because they look for holes in the ground, it won't walk across and leave your land, so the gate can be open so you can drive onto your property.

00:35:52.000 Exactly.

00:35:54.000 For those that didn't know, the Second Amendment is an individual right, too.

00:35:58.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

00:35:59.000 A lot of it is just these people are just delusional silver spoon morons. 1.00

00:36:04.000 And that's a big part of our problem. 0.99

00:36:06.000 We'll be right back with Larry Pratt's final segment, War Calls.

00:36:10.000 Well, Larry Pratt's going to be on MSNBC this afternoon with Pat Buchanan.

00:36:13.000 Well, Larry Pratt is going to be on MSNBC this afternoon with Pat Buchanan.

00:36:19.000 I hope he mentions not just the suits of the gun manufacturers, but Bush's gun grabbing,

00:36:26.000 trying to reinstate the Clinton program and more.

00:36:28.000 Are you going to do that, Larry, when you're on the show?

00:36:30.000 Well, I think there might be a way to slip it in, and that would be to point out that

00:36:36.000 Uh, maybe these lawsuits won't make that much difference if Bush ends up banning our guns anyway.

00:36:42.000 Well, that's, you know, that's the way the media controls things, is they'll tell you, because I've been on Good Morning America and all these shows, not as much as you have, obviously, and they'll tell you that you're talking about this issue, this alone.

00:36:53.000 Well, how can you talk about an issue without connecting it to everything else?

00:36:57.000 Well, at least with Pat Buchanan, I'll probably have a chance to get a word in edgewise if it's something critical of Bush.

00:37:05.000 Now, is press on that show?

00:37:06.000 Yes.

00:37:07.000 Now, there's an aggressive liberal.

00:37:10.000 He's a piece of work.

00:37:11.000 He's extremely personable and friendly when you're off camera.

00:37:15.000 As soon as the camera's on, And he'll bring a point up, challenge you, and you can see

00:37:20.000 his lip quivering.

00:37:22.000 He gives every impression that he's almost out of control.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, it's just another break.

00:37:25.000 As soon as we get into an act.

00:37:26.000 We've got a bunch of callers.

00:37:28.000 A quick question/comment for Larry Pratt.

00:37:30.000 Bruce in Arizona and George, Michael, and Joe.

00:37:32.000 Go ahead, Bruce.

00:37:33.000 You're on the air.

00:37:34.000 Okay, I have a question.

00:37:35.000 In 1776, did we vote King George off this continent?

00:37:41.000 And when are you going to start telling people to do what they need to do, versus just being informed?

00:37:45.000 Because informed people can be moved aside just as well as uninformed people.

00:37:49.000 Well, did you hear what Paul said, that the Founding Fathers revolted over much lighter forms of oppression, but right now we've got to educate people.

00:37:56.000 Comments, Larry?

00:37:57.000 I have to agree with you, Alex, that people were willing to Well, let's put it this way.

00:38:05.000 Let me make an anecdote to give you an answer.

00:38:07.000 They were enforcing Patriot Act-like activities.

00:38:11.000 Well, indeed they were.

00:38:13.000 Before the Battle of Lexington and Concord, Pastor Clark, Jonas Clark, had been asked by someone, well, would your men fight?

00:38:21.000 And his answer was, well, of course they will.

00:38:24.000 That's what I've been preaching.

00:38:25.000 Well, have you heard that being preached in very many places?

00:38:28.000 No, we've got them telling us.

00:38:29.000 The Baptist Church here in Austin says, turn your guns in.

00:38:31.000 Good point, Bruce.

00:38:32.000 I appreciate the call.

00:38:34.000 We've got to educate folks first, and we've got to take our country back, and we've got the Republic now.

00:38:39.000 It's this group of scallywags that have taken it over. 1.00

00:38:42.000 George in Tennessee, you're on the air.

00:38:44.000 Go ahead.

00:38:44.000 Hello, this is George from Texas.

00:38:47.000 Okay, doesn't matter.

00:38:47.000 Go ahead.

00:38:49.000 Yes, Mr. Pratt, I'm honored to be a new life member of your organization.

00:38:55.000 I've done my part.

00:38:55.000 Thank you very much.

00:38:56.000 I appreciate that plug.

00:38:57.000 By the way, people can find out how to do that at gunowners.org, or they can call our

00:39:02.000 toll-free number, 888-886-GUNS.

00:39:11.000 Real quick, George, any comments?

00:39:13.000 Yes, I was involved in George W. Bush's 1994 campaign for governor and I distributed a lot of his yard signs and bumper stickers.

00:39:22.000 Well, it does matter you're from Texas then, okay.

00:39:24.000 And I did get a personal commitment from him face-to-face when I talked to him because I did get a chance to talk to him about the gun issue.

00:39:34.000 That he would never betray the gun owner.

00:39:37.000 And I think he might be getting some bad advice.

00:39:40.000 He may not be aware of what...

00:39:42.000 Some of the people are going on underneath him.

00:39:46.000 Oh yeah, maybe Skull and Bones is a crushing organization too, George.

00:39:50.000 Well, Alex, I agree with you on everything about Mr. Bush, but I think on this issue, he may be being betrayed.

00:39:57.000 I got you.

00:39:58.000 Bad political advice. 1.00

00:39:59.000 For even if he wants our guns, it's a stupid move. 1.00

00:40:02.000 Thanks for the call. 1.00

00:40:03.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:40:05.000 Michael in Kentucky.

00:40:06.000 Michael, go ahead.

00:40:06.000 You're on the air.

00:40:09.000 Hey, Alex and Larry.

00:40:12.000 I hope I can use your first names.

00:40:16.000 You better call me Lord Jones!

00:40:20.000 You know how Southerners are and there are politeness sometimes.

00:40:25.000 It took me a while after I found this out to sneak in, but you read the original intent in the preamble to the Bill of Rights and they're kind of misnamed.

00:40:39.000 They're actually the Bill of Restrictions.

00:40:43.000 I'm trying to be polite, too.

00:40:44.000 We're not as polite in Texas.

00:40:46.000 I need to know what your point is because we're almost out of time.

00:40:48.000 Right.

00:40:48.000 I'm trying to say that when we say that these things are rights that are in the Bill of Rights, it's actually a restriction on the government.

00:40:55.000 And when you think about it that way, everybody's kind of looking at them the wrong way in the Supreme Court.

00:41:00.000 Uh, rule them on them back.

00:41:01.000 Thank you, Michael.

00:41:01.000 You know, that's a good point, Larry.

00:41:03.000 These really are restrictions on them.

00:41:05.000 The whole Constitution was set up, uh, to make it clear what the government could do.

00:41:09.000 Wasn't very much.

00:41:11.000 And just in case somebody didn't get the idea from the main body of the Constitution, they gave us the Bill of Rights.

00:41:17.000 And I think the Tenth Amendment is perhaps the most important.

00:41:19.000 So is the ninth.

00:41:20.000 Uh, that phone number again.

00:41:22.000 Uh, triple eight, double eight, six guns.

00:41:24.000 That's eight, eight, eight.

00:41:25.000 Eight, eight, six.

00:41:27.000 And that's where you get on our email list.

00:41:32.000 Absolutely, great email list, free.

00:41:34.000 Patriot Act, Soviet Union America, wouldn't you say? 0.94

00:41:38.000 Very, very bad comparison.

00:41:40.000 Well, fair comparison, but yeah, sobering.

00:41:44.000 Yeah, you mean scary.

00:41:45.000 It's scary.

00:41:46.000 Very bad.

00:41:47.000 Well, you've written a great analysis of your constitutional scholars, and we appreciate you.

00:41:50.000 Thanks for coming on.

00:41:50.000 I'll try to watch on MSNBC.

00:41:52.000 Take care.

00:41:52.000 Thanks, Alex.

00:41:53.000 Sorry to other listeners.

00:41:55.000 We'll go to your calls.

00:41:56.000 Coming up next, Larry had to go.

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