On this episode of Conspiracy Theories, host Alex Blumberg is joined by Larry Cohen to discuss the latest in the Bush administration, including the latest on the Bush gun ban, the Patriot Act and the proposed DNA database.
00:00:13.000Can you give us the skinning on what's happening?
00:00:17.000Well, the most recent development, you've already mentioned, I think, is the Bush gun ban.
00:00:25.000He wants to team up with Dianne Feinstein.
00:00:29.000And when we learned about that, our mouths dropped open.
00:00:33.000What in the world would be the political advantage?
00:00:38.000Forget the Constitution, because we know what regard that's got here in town, but to I would suggest that the thing that put him in the White House is now an issue that he wants to flip over on the other side on.
00:00:54.000It was the perception, correct, that Al Gore wanted to grab your guns that made the yellow dog state of West Virginia go Republican.
00:01:02.000And it sounds like the thing that did his daddy's political career in, saying, vote for me, I'll cut your taxes, and then raising them, it's that same lying instinct.
00:01:12.000Well, it's very perplexing because both of them, I guess, got a little heady when they had a successful war going on.
00:01:21.000Ratings are high, and Bush 1 told Republicans, when he wanted them to vote for the tax increase, just blame it on me.
00:01:30.000Well, they did, and he took it right in the head, politically.
00:01:36.000And if Bush thinks that his popularity will endure an assault on guns the same as a, you know, if he wants to team up with Charlie Schumer and Dianne Feinstein, not to mention Hillary Clinton, I don't think he's going to like the outcome.
00:01:55.000Now, Barbara Boxer is more conservative than Bush, in reality, on the gun issue.
00:02:27.000We now have your analysis posted, a hyperlink directly to it, on InfoWars.com, or you can go to GunOwners.org.
00:02:32.000Well, the advantage we had is that the particular individual that ended up doing this had worked in the Senate for perhaps a quarter of a century, and he now does consulting, and we're fortunate to have him.
00:02:47.000He was able to look at the different areas of the code and there's, I don't know, three
00:02:53.000or four different sections of the federal code that are amended by this act or added
00:02:59.000onto and so you had to go back and look at the original language to understand what was
00:03:06.000If all you had was the bill itself in front of you, you really didn't have enough.
00:03:10.000My analysis is six pages long, and I give the subsection where they say, you don't have to commit a crime, we'll secretly arrest you, you'll never be seen again, secret executions, basically gun owners are going to be terrorized.
00:03:23.000You guys have written an analysis that says the same thing, in fact even worse, can be secretly arrested, never seen again.
00:03:30.000On page six it says, here's the bottom line at its lowest common denominator, a native-born American could be stripped of his citizenship and permanently and clandestinely detained in a secret location without charges and without an attorney, if he, and then it also says later you can be secretly executed.
00:03:49.000and uh... it can hear it says uh... basically is uh... engaging terrorist activity
00:03:56.000uh... in the use of a firearm with the intent to endanger directly or indirectly
00:04:01.000the safety or one or more individuals or cause substantial damage to property
00:04:06.000so and that's just one section you found there are dozens where it says
00:04:09.000any action that endangers human life uh... the gets your life in prison
00:04:14.000uh... any action that aids terrorist unknowingly gets you secretly in prison
00:04:19.000or executed i mean this thing is worse than what Stalin put on paper
00:04:22.000Larry and even if they were nice to you and let you out after a couple of
00:04:26.000days because you have been suspected of being a terrorist they
00:04:29.000would have taken a d_n_a_ sample and added it into the national database that they're
00:04:33.000building Oh, and then they say, oh, well, we're not really trying to pass this.
00:04:37.000USA Today, last Wednesday, Bush wants DNA database for all, not just criminals or those that have misdemeanors, but anyone who's ever arrested, including a traffic stop.
00:04:49.000And now I have the articles from Oklahoma, from Arizona, from Colorado, where they say they're going to have roadside checkpoints taking our blood.
00:04:57.000Does that sound like a free country, Larry?
00:04:59.000I think what we need is to take the DNA of all politicians and leave the rest of us alone.
00:05:24.000This guy not only is good at analyzing bills, he's good at writing them, and he's He knows the rules of the Senate, I think, better than any senator.
00:05:34.000Several years ago, there was a filibuster going on that the Republicans were leading when there was still some willingness to try to throw roadblocks up.
00:05:44.000Bobby Byrd was the majority leader at that time, and when he came into the chamber and saw the snarl that everything was in. He said, "I'll bet it's that
00:05:55.000blankety blank" and then he named the guy that did that. He's the only blankety blank
00:06:01.000that can get us out of this mess too. So we had a very keen eye looking at this and we're
00:06:08.000very certain that what he has produced is right on. He doesn't miss much. One of the
00:06:16.000things that he's good about is he doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt.
00:06:20.000If there's any ambiguity in the language...
00:06:24.000He has learned over the years that that ambiguity will always be exploited by the guys that have the most guns.
00:06:33.000You know, I read the first Patriot Act, and frankly, I was one of the first people, like two days after it finally was made public, as Ron Paul said, they weren't allowed to read it.
00:06:41.000They were told at midnight past this, the Democrats, Republicans in the House had taken bad stuff out.
00:06:48.000Schumer had the really bad stuff put back in.
00:06:50.000Again, these two were probably vacationing together, literally.
00:06:54.000And it passed and then I went in and looked at the section and on the sunset section it said there is no sunset and it listed the key police state provisions like 213 and others and and and you know I've made that point and now I look at the first Patriot Act section 802 says if you try to influence politicians that's terrorism well that's that's Gunners of America.
00:07:54.000We might point out that there's not a whole lot of difference between the provisions of this act and the way Saddam Hussein was running his little tyranny, or for that matter, the tyrannies of the last century.
00:08:06.000This is the provision for a secret police.
00:08:09.000When the police do things in secret, that is, by definition, secret police.
00:08:15.000And I think we help ourselves to a certain extent by calling things what they are.
00:08:22.000And by the way, there may well be some kind of a sunset in that first Patriot Act still because Orrin Hatch wants to take it out.
00:08:34.000he's got a bill in his committee that would do that so and and that's a conservative republican
00:08:41.000trying to do that uh... these guys are giving us a lot of challenging i'm
00:08:46.000just delighted that members of gun owners of america are not
00:09:16.000And I say, let the Democrats in, because that will energize the conservative base in reality, and oppose the UN takeover, oppose this whole New World Order.
00:09:26.000I think if we put George Bush back in office, he's going to do what his daddy did.
00:09:30.000He's going to gun grab, he's going to raise taxes, he's going to do all this.
00:09:36.000You know, Larry, on these big national talk shows, the big establishment ones, they won't, they will tell you you're a liar if you say Bush is supporting Clinton's gun ban.
00:09:46.000I mean, it's almost like reality isn't allowed or something.
00:09:51.000And I, for one, am sick and tired of it.
00:09:53.000I mean, they want to secretly arrest me and they say for crime, not even terrorism now, and I disappear forever.
00:10:19.000He's obviously had a chance to read it.
00:10:22.000But you know, part of the problem, and where I might disagree with you, is that when you talk about the conservatives being energized, I didn't really see enough of that under Clinton.
00:10:32.000to make me confident that that would happen if there were a Democrat.
00:10:36.000And the Republicans were so supine during that time that they were letting judges go through,
00:11:31.000Well, at least politically, I don't think they're going to be able to budge Tom Tancredo, nor get him out of office.
00:11:38.000The problem that Bob Smith had was that he had left the Republican Party and said some strong truths about them, and then had come back in.
00:11:48.000Now, others have done that successfully, but the first test is your first re-election.
00:11:55.000Ron Paul actually had run for president as a libertarian and then had come back in and gotten elected and the party threw everything at him but the kitchen sink.
00:12:18.000Yeah, so I think, you know, if they want to fire at him, fine, they're just going to waste their ammo, and it'd probably be a good idea if they... Oh, and you've got Bush taking millions from known terror sponsors.
00:13:08.000But if and when they try that on a conservative, we now have assets that we didn't have ten years ago.
00:13:14.000And we're able to communicate directly with the American people, and you're certainly an excellent... So you mean real conservative, real constitutional internet sites and alternative conservative radio shows that aren't the ultra-liberal neocons?
00:13:30.000Exactly, and I mean this afternoon, unless they change the schedule, I'm supposed to be on MSNBC.
00:13:35.000Pat Buchanan may have a new hour, so I'm going to have a shot at talking about these frivolous lawsuits that are being brought against gun companies.
00:13:44.000And, you know, I get to go out on live television, so... If they win one of those, Larry, one of these suits, we're cooked.
00:13:52.000And we're cooked even if we don't stop them because these things are absolutely draining these companies financially.
00:13:58.000And that, as the head of the NAACP said the other day when he filed his suit up in Brooklyn, we're aiming to break the back of the gun industry.
00:14:09.000Yeah, and Cuomo said we're going to kill a death by a thousand cuts.
00:14:11.000Clinton said we're going to eat it like an elephant, one bite at a time.
00:15:06.000And conservatives go to sleep and allow it.
00:15:09.000But Larry, you're saying that you've seen the real conservatives, the constitutionalists, get really angry about Bush's latest gun grab, trying to reinstate the Clinton gun bill.
00:15:41.000And we didn't put it quite so tough, but some of the folks have gotten back to us and showed they not only sent our letter, but they sent one of their own.
00:15:51.000And it starts off saying, so why don't you want to get re-elected, Mr. President?
00:16:32.000It completely neutralizes, to the extent that he succeeds with this, One of the more effective issues the party had to differentiate itself from the Democrats.
00:16:41.00087% of those that were pro-gun won in the 98 elections and even higher than that in the 2000.
00:16:49.000I'm sorry, what was the beginning of your sentence?
00:16:51.000I saw statistics of 87% that were pro-gun won in 98 mid-term, and in 2000 it was even higher than that.
00:17:14.000He wouldn't even be in office if it weren't for this issue.
00:17:17.000And to go and embrace the opposition to it, it absolutely tells you where he's headed.
00:17:23.000And I tell you, the thing that struck me was, he's really thinking like the folks inside the Beltway do, this whole Homeland Security idea, the idea that we want to ban Homeland Security rifles, which is what we're really talking about.
00:17:39.000This is a response of a bureaucrat of a control freak.
00:18:02.000That's exactly what Hitler and Stalin did.
00:18:04.000So this is bad, this is scary, and even time's up to stay with us into the next hour, part of the next hour.
00:18:11.000The toll-free number to talk to Larry Pratt here on the Alex Jones Show is 1-800-259-9231 if you have any questions about there.
00:18:21.000Incredible analysis of Patriot Act 2, or the Republican gun-grabbing with the Democrats that's going on, 1-800-259-9231.
00:18:31.000Larry, what are some of the other things you want to talk about in the next 30 minutes?
00:18:35.000Well, I'd like to continue along with this Homeland Security idea and show the mindset, what it's really... It's anti-individual citizen, anti-individual responsibility.
00:19:34.000We've got some news on the economy coming up in about 30 minutes.
00:19:38.000Also, what's happening in Iraq, the attack on Syria, and Rumsfeld's documents, where he says they want to attack North Korea next October.
00:19:47.000We'll be discussing that later in the hour, and coming up in the next segment, we'll be taking your calls.
00:19:53.000What did you think when you heard that Bush wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban, and all the stuff that that entails, and that he supports all these other bills that are going after our guns?
00:20:54.000The antis will try to mount a filibuster, but I think that can be overcome because I think there are enough senators who, even if they're not pro-gun, they're anti-lawyer.
00:21:08.000And this bill has a lot of a tort reform flavor to it because after they do this I
00:21:15.000think they ought to come back for more put a cap on what some of these sharks can gargle. Well we've
00:21:21.000already discussed that it's collusion and tracketeering.
00:21:24.000And when you've got Cuomo, you've got all these other leaders saying, we're going to get the gun manufacturers, we're going to ban your guns by shutting down the manufacturers, death by a thousand cuts, eat the elephant one bite at a time.
00:21:35.000That is the definition of racketeering.
00:21:36.000They're saying they're going to shut a business or group of businesses down by discriminating and attacking them with frivolous lawsuits.
00:21:45.000They better give them liability protection, or they're now going to sue the hamburger makers.
00:21:50.000They're going to sue Ford when a drunk runs over somebody in the street.
00:21:54.000Or the Greens may well decide that they want to target a particular industry, and they're mean enough to do the same kind of thing that the anti-self-defense folks have been doing.
00:22:03.000Well, my gun... I mean, if I want to go buy a $400 .40 Cal pistol, now the thing's $700 when it was $400 just a couple years ago.
00:22:11.000So we're already seeing the cost of these lawsuits.
00:22:15.000And the other cost is going to be when you can't find a gun anywhere because a lawsuit in one state resulted in the changing of a policy system-wide.
00:22:27.000Eventually, these companies are either going to go out of business or they're going to start capitulating.
00:22:32.000And either way, we lose and Sara Brady wins.
00:22:37.000And my capitulate, when Smith & Wesson was owned by the Redcoats, they tried to make people sign an agreement to waive their rights just to carry their guns.
00:22:45.000They were going to be a shill for the gun grabbers, but luckily we found out and defused that and look where Smith & Wesson is.
00:22:52.000Now, they're slightly on the mend, but frankly, I'm not that happy with them because they now are owned by a company that makes trigger locks, and I really don't think I know when I would ever want to use a trigger lock.
00:23:06.000If I don't want to use the gun for self-defense, I'm going to put it in a safe.
00:23:09.000Well, this is training us to accept biometrics, Larry.
00:23:12.000Well, I think that's definitely where they would like to go with it, and one of the things that Uh, so upset us about, uh, a gun with a chip in it, say, that it was an electronic device, is that that can be scrambled.
00:23:25.000And then your gun is simply a three-pound paperweight.
00:23:29.000Well, New Jersey passed that smart gun technology.
00:23:32.000It was on the governor's desk in New Mexico.
00:23:34.000California's probably going to pass it.
00:23:36.000And then that'll set the precedent where manufacturers will have to make these, and then it's easy for them to pass it across the board.
00:23:44.000We'll talk about the globalist strategy to disarm us, our strategy to defeat them, and we're talking to the head of the real, no-compromise gun group, not the Trojan horse gun grabber group.
00:23:55.000We're talking to Gun Owners of America, GunOwners.org.
00:23:58.000I'm Alex Jones, InfoWars.com is my website.
00:24:01.000We'll get to your calls after this break.
00:24:03.000How do we get our Second Amendment back?
00:24:09.000He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:24:18.000Alright, we're talking to Larry Pratt.
00:24:19.000We've got a bunch of callers that want to talk to him, but Larry wanted to get into Homeland Security and this police state mentality and some of the other key areas where they're attacking our Second Amendment.
00:24:30.000Give us that key analysis from your expert position there in the District of Criminals in D.C.
00:24:37.000and then we'll go to these calls, Larry.
00:25:01.000Not by calling Washington and asking for help there.
00:25:05.000They figured Washington was out doing what it had to do abroad.
00:25:09.000They called on the militia, and they had the militia patrol the shorelines, and actually, the Civil Air Patrol was part of that militia movement, looking at the coast, flying out a little bit into the ocean.
00:25:22.000If you didn't have a gun, they'd hand you one.
00:25:43.000And of course, even if you just accept what they're talking about, how is it that if a large bureaucracy, the FBI and the other Police agencies like that here in Washington were incapable of handling September 11 and completely missed them.
00:26:02.000They were out looking for guys like you and me in the vast right-wing conspiracy because Reno had so directed the FBI and really made them politically correct.
00:26:12.000And so the plane loads of victims flew right by their nose.
00:26:16.000And when Patrick Leahy, Senator from Vermont, Ask Ashcroft, prior to the enactment of Patriot One, what are the powers in here that would have been used to stop September 11?
00:27:13.000You know, it would be so simple to even make do, perhaps, with the existing Border Patrol forces that they have, if they would use the same technology they're using to try to seal borders in Afghanistan and work with our troops in Iraq.
00:27:30.000Those Predator drones would be just excellent.
00:27:49.000And then they came out and they said, OK, well, what we're going to do is we're going to go ahead and we're going to say it's for the border.
00:29:33.000He's arguing that states should pass bans on suing that magnifier.
00:29:37.000And that was the rest of his argument.
00:29:39.000But how are you going to say that Ron Paul is anti-gun when he's the guy that has the legislation introduced that would do away with federal gun control?
00:29:49.000That's a hard sell, and that's not going to go down in his district.
00:29:53.000I know that district, and I've talked to the office since that.
00:30:47.000But of course, they're above the law, so RICO wouldn't apply to them.
00:30:50.000It just applies to pro-lifers, and if gunnies ever had enough demonstrations to really bother them, they would do the same thing to gun owners.
00:31:00.000So anyway, I think the NRA is... I'm not quite sure why they're that piqued with the congressman, because they had a zillion and one votes.
00:31:11.000They're posing, Ron Paul didn't hold them up.
00:31:42.000Yeah, there's one thing I have to say about this.
00:31:45.000In my opinion, in other words, the federal government, you know, I'm in agreeance with what he says.
00:31:50.000The federal government is trying to run the state.
00:31:55.000Well, and... Isn't that the issue that he's against?
00:31:57.000Of course, and... They already are, though, so we're just going to the federal government and saying, okay, then you can't go after gun makers.
00:32:05.000You can't say that I can't have a gun in Virginia because of a lawsuit you had in Brooklyn, New York, which is the ultimate impact of what... And this becomes a larger, I guess, kind of preemption debate.
00:32:31.000The first one would be, I tuned in a little late and I was wondering how far this S-22 has gone in their greasy little legislation, if it is law or whatever it is.
00:32:46.000And the other question is, Mr. Pratt, you've lived in Washington for a time.
00:32:53.000And it's been my experience that I've lived from one coast to the other coast in this country.
00:32:58.000And I've seen that even, I can think way back when they were just getting rid of the cattle guards.
00:33:07.000In the West, people didn't realize that they were pieces of steel grating to keep cattle in a particular area.
00:33:14.000There were people in areas that actually believed that it was a human being that was being laid off.
00:33:54.000Perhaps the nastiest, which is the so-called Our Lady of Peace, which would allow the psychiatrist to determine who does or does not have a gun.
00:34:02.000But it's part of a larger bill that would put gun shows out of business and do all kinds of things.
00:35:01.000And he told a joke without ever saying the word Bush, but he talked about this Connecticut Yankee that had been driving on his limo along the Texas road and he got lost and he asked for directions.
00:35:14.000the directions finally led him up to the entrance to the ranch and the guy said
00:35:18.000and you'll you'll uh... as soon as you go across the uh... the cattle
00:35:22.000guards you'll be you know on the ranch and
00:35:25.000the window rolled up at the limousine and they drove on and all of a sudden it
00:35:29.000backed up and they said oh by the way those cattle guards how will
00:35:37.000For those that don't know, in case, a cattle guard has bars in the ground so a cow won't step on it, because they look for holes in the ground, it won't walk across and leave your land, so the gate can be open so you can drive onto your property.
00:36:06.000We'll be right back with Larry Pratt's final segment, War Calls.
00:36:10.000Well, Larry Pratt's going to be on MSNBC this afternoon with Pat Buchanan.
00:36:13.000Well, Larry Pratt is going to be on MSNBC this afternoon with Pat Buchanan.
00:36:19.000I hope he mentions not just the suits of the gun manufacturers, but Bush's gun grabbing,
00:36:26.000trying to reinstate the Clinton program and more.
00:36:28.000Are you going to do that, Larry, when you're on the show?
00:36:30.000Well, I think there might be a way to slip it in, and that would be to point out that
00:36:36.000Uh, maybe these lawsuits won't make that much difference if Bush ends up banning our guns anyway.
00:36:42.000Well, that's, you know, that's the way the media controls things, is they'll tell you, because I've been on Good Morning America and all these shows, not as much as you have, obviously, and they'll tell you that you're talking about this issue, this alone.
00:36:53.000Well, how can you talk about an issue without connecting it to everything else?
00:36:57.000Well, at least with Pat Buchanan, I'll probably have a chance to get a word in edgewise if it's something critical of Bush.
00:37:35.000In 1776, did we vote King George off this continent?
00:37:41.000And when are you going to start telling people to do what they need to do, versus just being informed?
00:37:45.000Because informed people can be moved aside just as well as uninformed people.
00:37:49.000Well, did you hear what Paul said, that the Founding Fathers revolted over much lighter forms of oppression, but right now we've got to educate people.
00:39:13.000Yes, I was involved in George W. Bush's 1994 campaign for governor and I distributed a lot of his yard signs and bumper stickers.
00:39:22.000Well, it does matter you're from Texas then, okay.
00:39:24.000And I did get a personal commitment from him face-to-face when I talked to him because I did get a chance to talk to him about the gun issue.
00:39:34.000That he would never betray the gun owner.
00:39:37.000And I think he might be getting some bad advice.
00:40:20.000You know how Southerners are and there are politeness sometimes.
00:40:25.000It took me a while after I found this out to sneak in, but you read the original intent in the preamble to the Bill of Rights and they're kind of misnamed.
00:40:39.000They're actually the Bill of Restrictions.
00:40:48.000I'm trying to say that when we say that these things are rights that are in the Bill of Rights, it's actually a restriction on the government.
00:40:55.000And when you think about it that way, everybody's kind of looking at them the wrong way in the Supreme Court.