Alex Jones Show - 20030523_Fri_Alex

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00:00:32.000 Welcome ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another live edition of the Alex Jones Show.

00:00:41.000 It is the 23rd of May 2003.

00:00:45.000 It is Friday.

00:00:46.000 We'll be live for the next three hours.

00:00:48.000 I do this show Monday through Friday from 11 to 2 Central during the day and then back from 9 to Midnight Central.

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00:01:14.000 A lot of news and information to cover.

00:01:17.000 Let's launch straight into it.

00:01:19.000 Outrage over new wrong door blunder by police.

00:01:23.000 You may have heard last week how a SWAT team went in the wrong apartment of an old city worker.

00:01:32.000 She had a heart attack and died? 0.86

00:01:34.000 Well, this time, they've raided an entire building and found nothing and then said, oops, sorry, wrong building.

00:01:43.000 We'll get to that, just this new Gestapo world. 0.91

00:01:46.000 Also, 9-1-1 panel urged to use every power in its whitewashing abilities.

00:01:52.000 There's a northern revolt, ABC News is reporting.

00:01:55.000 Alaska passes anti-Patriot Act resolution.

00:01:58.000 Second state to oppose the feds, now it's Hawaii and Alaska.

00:02:03.000 Greensburg police stop illegal immigrants at a seatbelt checkpoint.

00:02:09.000 They were giving everyone else tickets, but they didn't give the illegals tickets and let them go because they are above the law. 0.98

00:02:16.000 This is out of the Pittsburgh Tribune.

00:02:19.000 We'll be covering it.

00:02:21.000 Also, Cloudcroft Chief stops Israelis with suspicious cargo out of Alamogordo, New Mexico, but the feds are keeping them from opening the boxes in the back of the vehicle.

00:02:34.000 Wonder what was in it.

00:02:36.000 Is it like 9-1-1 again?

00:02:39.000 Also, NASDAQ proposes Fingerprinting, FBI checks, so does the New York Stock Exchange as well.

00:02:46.000 Biometrics for everything.

00:02:48.000 CIA to review Iraq intelligence and to whitewash all their lying.

00:02:53.000 U.S.

00:02:54.000 penalizes China firm over alleged missile aid to Iran.

00:02:57.000 Better penalize yourself then, globalist.

00:02:59.000 Pentagon okays robo-war research.

00:03:02.000 $15 billion project to develop new army weapons network.

00:03:07.000 Also, six French journalists detained, sent back to France and not allowed to Come to our country, I guess now.

00:03:13.000 Freemasons identities revealed on the internet.

00:03:16.000 New revelations on 9-1-1.

00:03:19.000 Ridge says unmanned drones could be patrolling, not just our borders, but our cities.

00:03:25.000 Also, envoy hints at Moscow cooperation on missile defense, merging our militaries.

00:03:31.000 General Tommy Franks is retiring, we'll tell you why.

00:03:35.000 Analyst Israel weighing EU membership in the European Union.

00:03:40.000 More mad cow linked herds under quarantine in Canada because it's spread to the US.

00:03:46.000 Actors flee Morocco after attacks.

00:03:49.000 Hollywood rejects poor Cannes films.

00:03:52.000 Putin orders the clouds not to rain on his parade using weather control systems.

00:03:58.000 The Times of London.

00:04:00.000 Another SARS case surfaces in Toronto.

00:04:04.000 Vice President cancels appearance because of security fears but sends his wife.

00:04:09.000 Doctor gets ill after investigating SARS overseas has flown back to the U.S.

00:04:15.000 It goes on and on.

00:04:17.000 We are going to discuss it all here on the show.

00:04:20.000 Radio ID chips may track banknotes already happening.

00:04:24.000 Again, they say may track banknotes as it's already being made official with the RFID tracker tags.

00:04:32.000 Firms Uh, up for Iraq contracts, Bush acquitted with Hitler in the new Matrix sequel, outrage over new police measures nationwide.

00:04:44.000 It's all coming up.

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00:08:35.000 It's Friday.

00:08:35.000 Alright, folks.

00:08:37.000 Wide open phones.

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00:08:47.000 We've got this massive string of bombings all over the Middle East and now, of course, at Yale.

00:08:53.000 As the globalists accelerate the terror to scare us into submission.

00:08:56.000 And the New York Post reports outrage over new wrong-door blunder by police.

00:09:03.000 Now, it's not a blunder, folks.

00:09:04.000 They're setting the precedent.

00:09:07.000 Residents of a Bronx building are outraged after getting an unexpected morning greeting yesterday from a police drug squad which burst into their homes, waved guns at children, and then left after finding nothing.

00:09:19.000 At 7.50 a.m.

00:09:20.000 they burst down the door to the building, said Joe Selesis, a teacher whose mother and sister live in the home.

00:09:28.000 After an hour and a half, they said, sorry, wrong house, and left.

00:09:31.000 The cops were armed with a warrant that allowed them to search all the units, it's an apartment building, at 3629 Olinville Avenue, a four-family apartment building.

00:09:43.000 They smashed open a door, handcuffed several people, and put a gun in the face of a 12-year-old Jennifer Espidae before going through everyone's belongings, witnesses said.

00:09:52.000 They came in with guns, drawn, and pushed me, Jennifer said.

00:09:56.000 The cops were looking for two handguns, a pile of marijuana, and evidence of a pot-selling operation.

00:10:02.000 They found nothing.

00:10:04.000 The NYPD spokesman said the cops stand by their decision to raid the building and noted that two simultaneous raids in the neighborhood both uncovered drug dealing and led to seven arrests.

00:10:16.000 The spokesperson said the information that led them to the building was accurate unlike a May 16th raid in which a bogus tip led cops to the home of a 57-year-old church volunteer who died of a heart attack after a stun grenade was tossed into her home.

00:10:33.000 In the Bronx last night, the Olinville Avenue residents insisted there was never been any drug activity there, and they want compensation.

00:10:41.000 I want the city to pay, said Jennifer's mom.

00:10:43.000 How can a 12-year-old forget having a gun pointed at her?

00:10:47.000 She was treated like she was in Iraq.

00:10:50.000 Well, that's the point, lady.

00:10:53.000 So, look, this is happening everywhere.

00:10:55.000 You know, we talked about the situation out in Oregon.

00:11:00.000 Where they raided the end of the street, several homes, and didn't find any drugs.

00:11:05.000 The people have no criminal record.

00:11:07.000 Middle class area.

00:11:08.000 They had a National Guard troops on scene.

00:11:10.000 This is in the newspaper.

00:11:13.000 Eugene, Oregon.

00:11:14.000 And when they didn't find drugs, they confiscated the potting soil.

00:11:19.000 They had rose bushes and other things in the backyard.

00:11:22.000 They confiscated the potting soil, arrested one family, saying potting soil is drug paraphernalia.

00:11:28.000 They found a cooking timer in the kitchen, arrested them and another family for that.

00:11:35.000 And, uh, this is the new America, folks.

00:11:38.000 And when a school teacher came out four hours into the raid at like seven in the morning and said, I need to go to school, may I back out of my driveway, please?

00:11:46.000 The police officer in a black ski mask with no badge or number visible said, I haven't killed anyone in two weeks.

00:11:54.000 So this is the new America. 0.70

00:11:56.000 You'd expect to hear stories like this out of Russia or China, but no, it's here.

00:12:01.000 And more often than not, the SWAT teams kill innocent people and plant guns on them.

00:12:04.000 They've been caught many times from Miami to Lubbock, Texas.

00:12:08.000 Miami, Florida to Lubbock, Texas.

00:12:11.000 Last year, cops shot two of their own officers, killing one, tried to frame people.

00:12:16.000 They are the number one cause of death for police officers now, SWAT teams.

00:12:19.000 They've shot their own members twice here in Austin that we know of.

00:12:22.000 Several other cases are very suspect.

00:12:26.000 9-1-1 panel urged to use every power, this is UPI, the commission established to inquire into September 11, 2001 attacks, oh sure, yeah, on Thursday was urged by senior lawmakers to cooperate and complete the work of congressional inquiry into the perceived intelligence failures, the perceived intelligence failures, that allowed suicide hijackers to kill some 3,000 people.

00:12:50.000 I urge you to use every power you have been given by Congress to obtain the information you need to fulfill the mission the law gives you, said Senator Joe Lieberman, whitewasher from Connecticut, told the 10-member panel during its second public hearing.

00:13:05.000 The unflinching Representative Jane Harmon, Democrat-Californian, the most senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, urged the commission.

00:13:12.000 Folks, Bush has already made all the stuff secret.

00:13:15.000 They tried to have Kissinger the head of it.

00:13:17.000 It's not working.

00:13:18.000 No one's buying it.

00:13:19.000 It's nothing but a cover-up that dwarfs the Warren Commission.

00:13:23.000 We've got a Northern Revolt is the headline out of ABC News.

00:13:28.000 Alaska passes Anti-Patriot Act resolution, second state to oppose the Feds.

00:13:33.000 Alaska has joined a growing national rebellion against the USA Patriot Act, voting to oppose the massive federal anti-terrorism law passed by Congress soon after September 11, 2001.

00:13:41.000 The state legislature used some of its strongest language yet in passing a resolution condemning USA Patriot Act following the lead of Hawaii and 112 cities, towns, and counties.

00:13:53.000 It's over 400, by the way, folks.

00:13:55.000 The country that have passed similar resolutions against the law.

00:13:59.000 But Alaska's measure goes further than most, advising police and other state agencies not to initiate, participate in, or assist, or cooperate with an inquiry, investigation, surveillance, or detection if there is not reasonable suspicion of a criminal activity under Alaska state law.

00:14:14.000 Now, what has happened here?

00:14:17.000 Well, in liberal California, the Deputy Attorney General said in the Oakland Tribune That if you protest the war, the war is against terrorists, so you're aiding terrorists, and they actually say, on the record, that protesters can be shot at even if they're non-violent because they are terrorists, and that protesting may be a terrorist action.

00:14:40.000 In Oregon, in Salem, they're trying to pass a law.

00:14:45.000 Where you get life in prison if one person blocks traffic.

00:14:47.000 Every protester gets life in prison.

00:14:49.000 It says it word for word.

00:14:51.000 It's even wider than that.

00:14:52.000 It lists possession of guns they ban as life in prison.

00:14:56.000 It lists copying music, life in prison.

00:14:59.000 Tier to tier, computer to computer, transfer of music, life in prison.

00:15:03.000 Hundreds of little crimes.

00:15:05.000 Life in prison.

00:15:06.000 Go read it for yourself.

00:15:07.000 It's on Infowars.com.

00:15:09.000 Just type in the search engine, Oregon law, life in prison, labor camp.

00:15:13.000 Also mentioned, 25 years in a forced labor camp.

00:15:17.000 So it's all right there.

00:15:19.000 So we see this trend, and the Deputy Attorney General, the head of this terrorism database in California with the Feds, said that, well, people think terrorism is bombs or killing people.

00:15:31.000 It's not.

00:15:32.000 It's blocking commerce.

00:15:34.000 It's aiding terrorists by protesting.

00:15:37.000 So they're trying to sell this idea and it's not working.

00:15:42.000 The problem is the globalists will let everybody complain and gripe, let a movement build against it, then the globalists will carry out more terror and say, oh see, you caused all this to happen, you're with the terrorists basically.

00:15:56.000 We hope that the resolution like this, with the bipartisan support of that it has, will urge Congress to re-examine the provisions of the USA Patriot Act that challenge the individual freedoms that make this country great.

00:16:07.000 Representative John Coghill, a Republican from the North Pole, who co-sponsored the resolution.

00:16:13.000 If we sacrifice our freedom, we let terrorism win.

00:16:16.000 Bravo, John Coghill, a real conservative.

00:16:23.000 Bravo!

00:16:25.000 Bravo!

00:16:26.000 We have a concern the Patriot Act can be abused.

00:16:28.000 The potential for it is too great for Representative Dan Guttenberg, a Democrat who co-sponsored the resolution.

00:16:34.000 America is an open state.

00:16:36.000 There's a cost to that.

00:16:38.000 We are willing to sacrifice for that.

00:16:40.000 Guys are dying on the battlefield to protect our freedom.

00:16:43.000 It's up to us to protect those freedoms here at home.

00:16:46.000 And they're doing nothing about the open border, folks.

00:16:48.000 Any argument about national ID cards and all the surveillance and total information awareness and giving up your liberty is a sick joke.

00:16:57.000 And then you find out who's behind the terror, it really becomes a sick joke.

00:17:01.000 Now here's an incredible illustration of what we're talking about.

00:17:04.000 Greensburg Police stop immigrants.

00:17:06.000 This is out of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, being posted on InfoWars.com right now.

00:17:14.000 I even heard mainstream talk show hosts pointing this out yesterday.

00:17:17.000 Good job!

00:17:19.000 Finally, you're starting to get it.

00:17:21.000 All over the country, I talk to cops all the time, I see the news articles, they will stop 18 wheelers full of illegals, just like the folks that died, tragically, 19 of them, a couple weeks ago here in South Texas.

00:17:33.000 And the police arrest them, INS won't come get them, they're ordered to release them.

00:17:39.000 And if they don't, the Mexican Consulate sues them, or the Ford Foundation sues them.

00:17:45.000 Now understand this is this is widespread over 800 cities now accept the matricula card.

00:17:52.000 Poland and others are chiming in saying they're going to issue fake ID cards to everybody.

00:18:00.000 They found out these things are fake over and over again but nobody seems to care.

00:18:03.000 Greensburg police stop immigrants.

00:18:05.000 Now listen to this.

00:18:06.000 There's multiple important facets of this article.

00:18:11.000 A wrong turn led a truck of illegal immigrants into a seat belt awareness checkpoint in Greensburg on Monday, but an hour and a half detainment, police let them go.

00:18:20.000 So, a police officer handed out ticket or ticket flyers to drivers of a North Main Street near Cabin Hill Drive.

00:18:28.000 Notice two men, later determined to be Mexicans, sitting up front in the truck were not wearing seat belts.

00:18:34.000 They were told to pull over.

00:18:35.000 To search the truck, found five other Mexican men lying side by side in the back, concealed by tinted windows.

00:18:41.000 Two women were riding behind the front seats. None of them spoke English. 0.70

00:18:46.000 And it goes on to say City Police Chief Walter J. Wally, Lyons, said police contacted immigration officials about the

00:18:54.000 matter, but the U.S.

00:18:55.000 Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, now been changed in her homeland security, said it wasn't interested in getting involved unless any of the Mexicans had a criminal background or an outstanding warrant.

00:19:06.000 Lance Payne, a spokesman for the Immigration Service Bureau, did not return calls for comment yesterday.

00:19:11.000 Of the nine Mexicans in the truck, seven were illegal aliens, one had a green card, and one, the driver, had the naturalized lion's head.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, that's the coyote.

00:19:19.000 The truck apparently took a wrong turn off Interstate 70 in New Station.

00:19:23.000 The Mexicans told translators they were coming from Columbus, Ohio on their way to Philadelphia in hope of finding construction jobs.

00:19:29.000 Their names were checked through the police crime computer line and said none showed a record of criminal activity.

00:19:34.000 Well, they've all got four or five fake IDs, so, you know, you don't know what's happening.

00:19:38.000 Many other motorists driving on North Main Street found themselves in trouble after the police stopped them.

00:19:42.000 And it says they got tickets.

00:19:45.000 Some were arrested.

00:19:46.000 Cars were searched.

00:19:47.000 There were drug arrests.

00:19:49.000 But the illegals went on.

00:19:52.000 And the police chief says that he is very angry.

00:19:56.000 He says that, you know, we're in a war on terror and they did this.

00:19:59.000 Folks, if you're an illegal, you get a free ride.

00:20:02.000 It's by design.

00:20:03.000 It's about keeping control of you, the people.

00:20:06.000 We'll talk more about this when we get back.

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00:24:28.000 Just got back from Versailles, where the Merovingians were meeting.

00:24:34.000 So that's coming up.

00:24:36.000 Look, I'm looking at an article here where they're announcing drones are going to surveil the border for your safety to stop the illegals. 0.99

00:24:42.000 Meanwhile, Bush has called thousands of border patrol off the northern and southern border.

00:24:47.000 That is a fact.

00:24:48.000 Thousands and thousands have quit in Texas alone to become air marshals and then Bush supplemented it with 640 more.

00:24:56.000 So you lose thousands and they add a few hundred more and call it an added amount of border patrol.

00:25:01.000 We need the military on the border, but they're not going to do that.

00:25:05.000 If they do it, it's going to be to harass you 50 miles on our side checking your vehicles.

00:25:12.000 So they're saying they're going to have drones.

00:25:14.000 Well, Senator Warner, in a report that I read, his actual quotes, his testimony on the Armed Services Committee said, surveilling U.S.

00:25:24.000 cities, 80 plus FBI aircraft are surveilling us, manned aircraft, Cessnas whistling with antennae and sensors and infrared and radar that looks through your walls.

00:25:38.000 They are now going to launch massive drone surveillance against us.

00:25:41.000 It's already begun.

00:25:42.000 I have family who's in the Army who is at Bergstrom Air Force Base.

00:25:48.000 It's still an Air Force Base.

00:25:49.000 It was the big Air Force Base.

00:25:51.000 Now it's supposedly the airport, but half of it's the military.

00:25:54.000 They're in an office with the APD and the state police out there.

00:25:58.000 They've got drones.

00:26:00.000 They've got helicopters.

00:26:01.000 They're there.

00:26:02.000 They're already surveilling us.

00:26:05.000 And then you've got police stopping vans and trucks full of illegals even after the deaths of last Monday of 10 days ago and nothing or 12 days ago and nothing is being done. 0.93

00:26:20.000 Nothing is being done.

00:26:22.000 They're ordering them released and the Tribune Review, the Pittsburgh Tribune Review reports That the citizens were given tickets, they were fined, they were feed, some were arrested at the seatbelt checkpoint, the seatbelt awareness checkpoint, but the illegals were released.

00:26:46.000 All committing felonies, and the coyote committing the felony was released.

00:26:54.000 And in Alamogordo, they caught Israelis with sealed boxes.

00:26:58.000 The Feds have gotten involved and they will not tell us what are in those boxes!

00:27:06.000 Now, they caught Israelis in the Midwest with bomb diagrams and explosives. 0.91

00:27:11.000 They were ordered release.

00:27:13.000 They had diagrams of nuclear power plants.

00:27:17.000 And the names trace back to Mossad.

00:27:20.000 They caught them videotaping the collapse of the towers while the planes hitting and were ordered release when it led back to the storage company.

00:27:28.000 It turned out that a Mossad agent ran it and they pulled out a day after the attacks and disappeared.

00:27:34.000 You start adding this all together.

00:27:35.000 I'm not saying Israel carried the attacks, but they certainly had knowledge and were involved in the operation.

00:27:40.000 And this is the reality.

00:27:43.000 And now, same thing, they caught Israelis trying to bomb the Mexican Parliament.

00:27:49.000 The Mexican Congress and that story was shut down.

00:27:54.000 Folks, we're in deep trouble.

00:27:55.000 And by the grace of God, police are profiling and are, without the feds controlling them, catching most of the terrorists.

00:28:04.000 Again, a round of applause.

00:28:05.000 They are stopping the New World Order.

00:28:09.000 Excellent!

00:28:12.000 Police in Florida, in Jacksonville, caught a Special Forces officer planting explosives on a secure location on the one wire that would shut off half of George's power.

00:28:21.000 They don't know how he knew this classified information, how he got into the structure.

00:28:26.000 They caught two guys outside of Fort Bragg trying it.

00:28:31.000 Police continue, by the grace and by the direction of God, to catch these people.

00:28:39.000 If we had these attacks carried out against nuclear power plants and other facilities in the Mexican Parliament, the Mexican Congress, we would be in deeper tyranny right now.

00:28:49.000 And the police just continue, good police officers, to see suspicious activity and to stop it.

00:28:55.000 I've got to commend you.

00:28:56.000 This is what you're supposed to do instead of kicking down old ladies doors and spraying them with machine gun fire, looking for narcotics shipped in by the CIA. 1.00

00:29:05.000 So again, I want to thank our good police officers, our good peace officers, the men and women, in uniform, doing a real job.

00:29:11.000 I mean it.

00:29:12.000 I gotta commend you.

00:29:13.000 Great job!

00:29:15.000 Great job!

00:29:16.000 This police chief who caught these illegals, good job! 1.00

00:29:20.000 Of course, you're outraged you were ordered to release them while giving citizens tickets.

00:29:24.000 Are you starting to figure things out?

00:29:26.000 Are you starting to understand the ballgame?

00:29:29.000 By the way, Bill Clinton's National Seat Belt Initiative of 98 said in Part 3 of the Four-Part Plan that they were going to use these as internal checkpoints.

00:29:38.000 This is about training us to be in checkpoints.

00:29:40.000 It has nothing to do with seatbelts.

00:29:41.000 It's training you that the Amber Alert does things other than Amber Alert.

00:29:45.000 Highway signs flashing, click it or tick it. 0.96

00:29:47.000 You know, garbage like that. 0.78

00:29:48.000 It's about training you to have checkpoints. 1.00

00:29:51.000 Wake up!

00:29:51.000 The Federal Plan says it!

00:29:53.000 They're going to have drones watching us, but not the boarders. 1.00

00:29:57.000 We'll be right back with Big Jim Tucker.

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00:30:45.000 Yesterday I had the journalist on, former BBC documentary maker and head of a large branch of the media union over in England, who was at Bilderberg meeting this year.

00:31:01.000 Today we're joined by the granddaddy of it all, Jim Tucker of American Free Press, formerly with the Spotlight for 25 plus years.

00:31:10.000 He has been covering the Bilderberg Group.

00:31:12.000 He's an expert on the New World Order. 0.76

00:31:14.000 He's an old-time journalist, worked with some of the big syndicates in the news before he found out about the New World Order 20 plus years ago.

00:31:22.000 And he just got back from Bilderberg.

00:31:24.000 He sneaks through drainage pipes.

00:31:26.000 He climbs over fences.

00:31:28.000 He's been detained, arrested.

00:31:30.000 Others have been.

00:31:30.000 He's been chased by men in dark sunglasses and vehicles.

00:31:33.000 This has been on national TV here in the U.S.

00:31:35.000 on the TRIO Network and a documentary I was in as well, Secret Rulers of the World, a five-part series.

00:31:43.000 And he has now returned from the, well, the most plush hotel in France, right next door to the Versailles Palace.

00:31:52.000 Fantastic.

00:31:54.000 Jim, thanks for coming on the show with us, sir.

00:31:55.000 A big Jim Tucker is on with us fresh back from France and the Merovingian folks that 1.00

00:32:01.000 are over there.

00:32:02.000 Jim, it's great to have you on the show with us.

00:32:06.000 I appreciate you coming on the show, Jim.

00:32:08.000 Do we have Jim Tucker there?

00:32:10.000 Can he hear me?

00:32:12.000 Oh, yes.

00:32:13.000 I can hear you.

00:32:14.000 Fantastic.

00:32:15.000 Jim, thanks for coming on the show with us, sir.

00:32:18.000 I'm very happy to join you.

00:32:21.000 Tell us a little bit about yourself for those that haven't heard you in the last few months

00:32:24.000 and how you got involved in Bilderberg, what Bilderberg Group is, and what happened this

00:32:29.000 year and any inside information you got out from inside the complex.

00:32:34.000 Well, as a quick capsule, I spent 20 years with the establishment press, with Washington Daily News, Akron Beacon Journal, Richmond Times Dispatch, other newspapers, until 1975, When I was being interviewed by Willis Carter at Liberty Lobby for the position of editor of a newspaper he was getting ready to create called The Spotlight, he asked me what I thought about Bilderberg and I said, who are they?

00:33:01.000 And he gave me a brief description.

00:33:02.000 I said, that's impossible.

00:33:04.000 I've been with newspapers all my life.

00:33:06.000 Such a group could not exist without me knowing.

00:33:08.000 He gave me some background material and I became fascinated, then enraged that such an organization could exist.

00:33:17.000 With the collaboration of the American press.

00:33:20.000 They've been operating in absolute secrecy all these years, making decisions that affect the lives of all of us in Europe and North America and sometimes throughout the world.

00:33:32.000 Bilderberg is a group of 120 men with a solid membership of about 100, year after year, replaced by those who die in the fullness of time.

00:33:42.000 They've been under the name Bilderberg since 1954.

00:33:46.000 There's normally two or three newcomers each year.

00:33:49.000 Some are invited back, others are cast aside when they're found not to be useful.

00:33:55.000 But they do make decisions that affect war, peace, the economy.

00:34:02.000 They make decisions that affect the lives of all of us.

00:34:05.000 What is the relationship between Bilderberg Group and larger organizations that have similar memberships at the top, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Committee of 300?

00:34:14.000 Well, the Trilateral Commission is sort of the junior varsity.

00:34:17.000 They'll have 300 members and they are less secret.

00:34:20.000 They have an office in Washington.

00:34:22.000 You can call them up and they'll cheerfully tell you where their next meeting will be.

00:34:26.000 They will not take over the whole resort like Bilderberg.

00:34:29.000 They will take over two floors of a hotel and maybe some big meeting rooms and they'll mingle in the lobby with others of unwashed multitudes. 1.00

00:34:39.000 They include Japan.

00:34:42.000 and Korea. The Bilderberg is strictly North America and Europe, but they have an interlocking

00:34:49.000 leadership. Henry Kissinger on the executive committee of both groups. David Rockefeller

00:34:56.000 founded the Trilateral Commission. He was a co-founder of Bilderberg, so he has a power

00:35:03.000 in both groups. And they do have an interlocking agenda, which probably defined as moving the

00:35:10.000 United Nations into a world government, which it almost is now, and subjugating the whole world

00:35:19.000 to the wills of the elite class.

00:35:22.000 The Council on Foreign Relations has about 3,000 members, quite public also.

00:35:29.000 But nevertheless, the Kissingers and Rockefellers also belong to it. 1.00

00:35:32.000 and normally when you find out what happens at Bilderberg, it wasn't Bilderberg meeting, but then a year of scholarly

00:35:40.000 white paper coming out will support that view.

00:35:42.000 So basically the Bilderberg group is the 100 top upper echelon, the Dutch, the British royal families, the Rockefellers,

00:35:50.000 the Rothschilds, the Crumps, all these classic names, and then you've got the Trilateral

00:35:56.000 Commission with 300 that comes up with the, that more fine-tunes the policy,

00:36:01.000 And then you've got the three.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, sort of the propaganda ministry.

00:36:06.000 that uh... carry out the different areas of the agenda and people

00:36:09.000 uh... some of the mid-level echelons of the media uh... the military the government and banking

00:36:16.000 uh... yes or the propaganda ministry yeah now you'll turn on fox or c_n_n_ and every person on 0.95

00:36:23.000 the panel is counsel on foreign relations here

00:36:28.000 and of course the collaboration of the uh... american press is the 0.99

00:36:32.000 nothing short of a scandal They're journalistic prostitutes. 1.00

00:36:36.000 The Washington Post, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, the three major networks, they've all participated. 0.97

00:36:42.000 The Washington Post is quite regular.

00:36:44.000 Every publisher since the late Phil Graham in 1954, then his wife, now the late Katherine Graham.

00:36:53.000 Now the Sun, the publisher Donald Graham, they attend these meetings on promises of absolute secrecy and they're quite successful in a complete blackout in the American press.

00:37:03.000 They're not so successful in Europe.

00:37:04.000 There's several European reporters were there.

00:37:07.000 I was interviewed just this morning by BBC from London.

00:37:11.000 They interviewed me twice at Versailles.

00:37:16.000 Reports from Norway and several other countries were present in Versailles.

00:37:22.000 You also got a lot of photographs of them.

00:37:23.000 we've worked together to identify and Christopher Boleyn also of the American Free Press staff

00:37:29.000 spent a lot of time out there positively identifying many of the 120 who appeared.

00:37:37.000 You also got a lot of photographs of them. Now last year the media was all saying the

00:37:43.000 attack was coming in 2002.

00:37:46.000 For sure, they said.

00:37:47.000 You said, that is not correct.

00:37:49.000 I have it from inside Bilderberger, from our sources inside the estate where they were meeting outside D.C.

00:37:56.000 You said, I have it that they're going to be attacking in February or March, and that's exactly what happened.

00:38:01.000 You said you saw Arab leaders there, something you never saw.

00:38:05.000 So, what internal information did you get out this year?

00:38:10.000 uh... this year the rest between the the american european bill burr

00:38:14.000 brogden even more understated

00:38:16.000 uh... for the poor half a century is all very congenial that uh...

00:38:21.000 the europeans and uh...

00:38:23.000 uh... americans in canadian bill burr luminaries

00:38:27.000 have a love affair They split over the war last year with Rumsfeld promising to not go to war in 2002.

00:38:34.000 Interesting that the Jim Hoekman of the Washington Post was there, but he let his own newspaper continue with the prediction that the war would start in late summer or early fall of 2002 when he knew that Rumsfeld had made the promise not to go to war in the year 2002.

00:38:48.000 year two thousand two but he's rather than betray bill burke he let his own 0.87

00:38:53.000 newspaper make the mistake or make a wrong forecast I should say well Graham

00:38:58.000 was there too so it's obvious what they're doing now Who were some of the folks that were there this year?

00:39:03.000 I hear that after having riot police and basically the army out there, that later, near the end, they all got on buses and went up to the palace, and that some of the reporters were actually able to talk to Rockefeller, David Rockefeller and others.

00:39:17.000 Were you involved in that?

00:39:18.000 Were you able to talk to them?

00:39:20.000 No, I was meeting sources back near the hotel at that time.

00:39:25.000 Christopher Boleyn of American Free Press spent a lot more time.

00:39:29.000 Actually, the first two days prior to their meeting, Christopher Boleyn was the European press outside the gates most of the time.

00:39:37.000 He was the one who played tourist and walked up and photographed David Rockefeller and his bodyguard, who will be the next issue that you receive of American Free Press.

00:39:50.000 Excuse me, I didn't come back with SARS, but they teased me about it because it's heavy cold.

00:39:57.000 Well, Rock Miller's actually looking physically better than he did a year ago.

00:40:00.000 He stooped and failed a year ago.

00:40:01.000 He's upright and a little bit fiskier now.

00:40:04.000 Well, I'm sure all the advanced medical techniques that his medical cartel have suppressed are helping him.

00:40:11.000 Well, he's in his 80s now.

00:40:15.000 I'm not sure just how old he is, but he's 80-something years old now.

00:40:20.000 In spite of all the evil done, he's always been a very gracious chap.

00:40:23.000 I've talked to him a number of times where he knew who I was.

00:40:27.000 He was most gracious.

00:40:30.000 He may not tell you anything, but he's very gracious, soft-spoken, unassuming.

00:40:34.000 Interesting difference between the personalities of Rockefeller and his valet, Henry Kissinger.

00:40:42.000 Both are Ph.D.

00:40:43.000 in economics, but Rockefeller is Mr. Rockefeller.

00:40:47.000 Kissinger is Dr. Kissinger.

00:40:49.000 Always Dr. Kissinger. 1.00

00:40:51.000 And he's a pompous ass anyway. 1.00

00:40:52.000 He affects the German accent. 0.99

00:40:56.000 He's been in this country since he was 14 years old, but if you take him by surprise with a question, he'll forget to affect the German accent for a moment and catch himself and then get back into his German accent.

00:41:07.000 Now also, there's that British Lord who was in the documentary we were in about Bilderberg,

00:41:13.000 I forget his name, but he was yelling and cussing and screaming basically at the news

00:41:18.000 reporter.

00:41:19.000 How many of them behaved like that and who was that Lord in that Secret Rulers of the

00:41:23.000 World video?

00:41:24.000 You know, I don't remember.

00:41:25.000 I thought it was, but that was a year ago.

00:41:29.000 I don't remember either.

00:41:30.000 I know the name.

00:41:31.000 It'll pop in my head in a second.

00:41:32.000 How many of them act like that are real arrogant and out of control?

00:41:35.000 I know the story of last year, a couple of years ago, they didn't have his wine, Rockefeller's wine, so they sent a jet back to the U.S.

00:41:43.000 just to get him wine.

00:41:44.000 Yes, that was some years ago.

00:41:47.000 People who are filthy rich are just used to living that way.

00:41:50.000 I'm not much of a winer myself, but I couldn't imagine having jets fly back to get the right kind of wine and having it driven from the airport 40 miles to the site of the crime.

00:42:04.000 But you have to think about the way those people live.

00:42:06.000 Now you said in an article before Bilderberg this year that it's violating federal law to have public officials meeting in secret with the power elite.

00:42:14.000 Why do you say that?

00:42:14.000 What's the law?

00:42:16.000 Well, the law came to my attention during the Clinton years when the first alleged lady, Hillary, decided to reform the nation's health care system into a Canadian-style single-payer system.

00:42:28.000 She set up this big, fat health care task force. 1.00

00:42:32.000 It involved so-called experts from the private sector and the government.

00:42:36.000 They held secret meetings.

00:42:38.000 Judge Royce Lambert, federal judge, chewed the White House out.

00:42:42.000 Chewed out their lawyers.

00:42:44.000 He pointed out And he said it's going to put federal law for federal employees to meet behind closed doors with private citizens to discuss and plan public policy.

00:42:56.000 Wasn't Ross Perot on that board?

00:42:58.000 On what board?

00:43:01.000 On the secret healthcare board.

00:43:03.000 I don't know if he was or not.

00:43:04.000 There's about 300 of them.

00:43:07.000 Well, actually, the board itself, I don't think it was so secret.

00:43:09.000 They were kind of proud of being on the task force.

00:43:12.000 There'd be stories about this guy and that guy on the task force, this or that, but they would actually have secret meetings behind closed doors.

00:43:19.000 Nobody knows what transpired behind the closed doors.

00:43:24.000 But the White House was fined several hundred thousand dollars for violating the civil penalty for violating Federal law.

00:43:32.000 And of course the taxpayers paid the fine, which is not very gratifying.

00:43:36.000 But it stresses the fact that when, and always at Bilderberg meetings, there are high officials from the Treasury Department, State Department, Defense Department.

00:43:46.000 In case last year Rumsfeld didn't attend the Bilderberg before.

00:43:49.000 Yeah, Rumsfeld and the Prince of Darkness, Richard Perle are there.

00:43:52.000 Right in the middle of all this.

00:43:53.000 Well, Rumsfeld was there this year, but Richard Perle was positively identified among those Well, the Asian Times reported that Rumsfeld was there, and that Pearl was there, but you're saying you can't confirm that Rumsfeld was there?

00:44:10.000 I've not personally confirmed Rumsfeld, but I've personally confirmed Pearl.

00:44:15.000 Now, who else was there, and what were some of the other agendas that you got from your spies inside?

00:44:23.000 Let's see, as far as who was there was concerned, the next week's paper is going to list all those that we identified.

00:44:30.000 I don't, of course, don't have it in front of me at the moment, but as I said, so far as we can determine, the regulars were there.

00:44:38.000 Rockwell, Kissingers, and Richard Perrills, all identified.

00:44:43.000 As far as their agenda was concerned, they were, of course, angry about Uh, the invasion of Iraq anyway.

00:44:52.000 They didn't like it any better.

00:44:53.000 And they questioned the motives of the war.

00:44:57.000 They were teasing the Americans. 0.74

00:44:58.000 Well, teasing may not be the right word.

00:45:00.000 Sarcastic, inquiring.

00:45:01.000 Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

00:45:04.000 You are so concerned that the, uh, that the UN inspection team go

00:45:12.000 without finding them that your board already called for a trip up

00:45:15.000 finding weapons of mass destruction

00:45:18.000 now jim we all know that the central bankers of europe on our fellow reserve

00:45:22.000 it'll know that they're together on these big moves and uh... so that you believe there is a real fisher

00:45:29.000 on the subject of the pax america or this global empire being based in the u_s_

00:45:34.000 not europe wall and why is bush bad mouthing the dollar

00:45:38.000 and helping europe out by driving up the euro uh... when we saw the table switzerland for almost four

00:45:44.000 years ago where they agreed

00:45:46.000 to drive down the dollar We see unification on subjects like that.

00:45:51.000 Yes, the dollar costs about $1.15 to buy one euro now.

00:45:57.000 So when you travel to Europe, it's going to cost you a little bit more.

00:45:59.000 And the Secretary of Treasury says, that's just fine, it'll help our exports.

00:46:05.000 But the stock market didn't buy that and started plunging.

00:46:08.000 Right.

00:46:10.000 Any adventures that you had?

00:46:12.000 I mean, we know you've been arrested, kidnapped, grabbed, followed.

00:46:15.000 What happened this year in Paris or in Versailles?

00:46:19.000 Oh, just the usual shadowing.

00:46:20.000 Nothing dramatic as far as being grabbed or detained.

00:46:28.000 Well, my shadow is always with me, of course, and they're not hard to spot.

00:46:31.000 It's just the same two men who are always in the same room you are at all times.

00:46:37.000 And that lasts for as long as you're in the Treeline Palace.

00:46:42.000 I don't think they were... I didn't observe them underfoot at the Novotel where I was staying along with the other reporters, which is about a mile away from the Well, three years ago in Portugal, you know, there's a video of the black cars with the men in black sunglasses following you around.

00:47:01.000 Yes, that was when the Channel 4 of England guys, of London guys, were with me.

00:47:07.000 They were driving.

00:47:10.000 They were very concerned about these guys following us around, but I told them it's rather normal.

00:47:18.000 Well, as far as the Their agenda is concerned.

00:47:23.000 They're also very cynical about our role in the Middle East.

00:47:30.000 They were telling the Americans that Sharon should be ordered by the United States to accept the very modest demands made on the so-called Roadmap to Peace, which only requires that the Israelis withdraw to the Uh, they're outposts as of March of 2002.

00:47:53.000 Not all the way back or anything like that.

00:47:56.000 And Sharon contemptuously said, uh, rejected it.

00:48:00.000 At the same time Bilderberg was meeting, he was contemptuously rejecting the roadmap to peace.

00:48:06.000 And they're saying things to the effect that, uh, American administrations always oppose Israeli expansion.

00:48:14.000 With your mouth, but not your money.

00:48:17.000 All right, stay there.

00:48:18.000 There's also an article about Israel joining the EU.

00:48:21.000 We'll find out if you heard about that.

00:48:22.000 Take a call or two.

00:48:24.000 In the conclusion of our interview with Jim Tucker, I'm Alex Jones, InfoWars.com.

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00:51:27.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

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00:51:46.000 Coming up at the bottom of the next hour, in about 35 minutes, I have a doctor involved in the Belgium War Crimes Tribunal, which of course is totally illegitimate, but so are the globalists in this country.

00:51:58.000 And they're in a fight over power right now, and they're trying to indict Tommy French.

00:52:05.000 And you'll see the response of the Globalist on this side of the Atlantic.

00:52:08.000 That's come up in about 35 minutes.

00:52:10.000 I know we have callers for Jim Tucker, and we're going to take your calls coming up here in a few minutes.

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00:53:54.000 Jim, I know there's other points you'd probably like to make, and we'll do those coming up in the next hour.

00:53:59.000 But right now, let's go to Regina in Pennsylvania.

00:54:02.000 Regina, you're on with Jim Tucker covering the Bilderberg Group for 26 years.

00:54:06.000 Go ahead.

00:54:07.000 Thank you, Mr. Tucker.

00:54:08.000 I just had to bring something up, Alex.

00:54:11.000 You mentioned about Rockefeller, you know, getting his wine and going a long ways.

00:54:16.000 It came up real interesting this morning on a 50,000 watt coming out of Pittsburgh area.

00:54:24.000 There was a comment by the talk show host that In Russia, for some kind of celebration, he might be familiar with what this was.

00:54:33.000 Vladimir Putin's going to use aircraft and magnetic systems to clear the skies.

00:54:38.000 Yeah, isn't that wonderful?

00:54:40.000 Yeah, that's from the Times of London.

00:54:41.000 You can purchase that for $1,500,000, they will guarantee to clear any skies, any time, for any parade or function.

00:54:51.000 But the general public says there is no weather control.

00:54:54.000 Well, that confirmed it for sure, and it's way out in the open.

00:54:56.000 And I just encourage people that with the good work you've done with this, all your movies and stuff, but laying it out in this descent into tyranny, with us going into this commission under Lee Hamilton and the governor, you know, get this information into your congressman.

00:55:11.000 Make him not forget that... Do you have any comments, though, for our guest?

00:55:17.000 Just the good work, and he just, you know, makes everybody realize that it's all our job to really find out, even though it's, you know, intimidating.

00:55:26.000 Twenty-six years ago when he started, no one knew about Vildenberg Group, and now most Americans know about it.

00:55:31.000 Thanks for the call, Regina.

00:55:32.000 Thank you.

00:55:33.000 Jim, any comments to what she just said?

00:55:35.000 I'll just thank her for these kind words.

00:55:38.000 Absolutely.

00:55:40.000 Jim, we're about to break.

00:55:41.000 Any other key areas that you can reveal about this year's Vildenberg Conference that you'll tell us about when we get back?

00:55:47.000 What are some of the other areas you might mention?

00:55:52.000 Especially the split over the Middle East situation, the pressure being brought upon President Bush for the first time, such direct pressure has been brought on President of the United States.

00:56:05.000 To insist that Israel accepts the Roadmap to Peace, are we stuck giving away billions of dollars?

00:56:11.000 I want to understand that division and who the power players are here.

00:56:15.000 And if it's a real division, when we get back, you can answer that.

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00:56:58.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:57:03.000 Alright, my friends.

00:57:15.000 Already into the second hour of this live Friday edition.

00:57:20.000 We've got Big Jim Tucker on the line.

00:57:22.000 We'll have time to take a few other calls before he leaves us.

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00:57:30.000 For 40 years, he's been covering politics in Washington for some of the big syndicates.

00:57:35.000 twenty five twenty six years ago started covering the builder bird group

00:57:39.000 became the editor there at the spotlight now i worked for the american free press

00:57:43.000 he just got back from her size with the dot british royal families rockefellers rothschild's were 0.97

00:57:48.000 meeting with their minions

00:57:49.000 defense secretary rumsfeld and the president are consistent all richard

00:57:53.000 perot or their

00:57:55.000 how to get me up the planet their main goals unified the pan-american union with the e_u_ 0.91

00:58:01.000 increase world taxation regulation bring in a new world order but

00:58:04.000 jim is given a spackard information for decades from what he gets from his spies inside the conferences

00:58:10.000 because he gets there beforehand and gets people into getting information once

00:58:14.000 they find out how Jim has said that a very telling piece of evidence is a lot of times the hotel workers won't talk to him before they've been threatened with firing and blackballing and blacklisting, but once they see the corruption they will always come to him and spill their guts

00:58:29.000 And he was telling us about a rare division.

00:58:33.000 Have you ever seen division like this in the 100-power elite, Jim?

00:58:38.000 Not until last year, and to a much greater extent this year. 1.00

00:58:41.000 I mean, the language, some things are congenial, but sometimes kind of really rough, like the European Bilderberg who told a grim-faced American, you are too stupid to know when you've been assaulted by a moral midget. 0.93

00:58:56.000 And he was referring to the fact that at the very moment Powell, Secretary of State Colin Powell, was on his knees before Errol Sharon saying, please accept the roadmap to peace. 0.97

00:59:08.000 He was rejecting it with sneering contempt, according to the Jerusalem Post.

00:59:14.000 He ridiculed any idea that there would be no suspension of settlements in the occupied areas, in the occupied Palestinian lands of West Bank and Gaza.

00:59:25.000 He made the point that Sharon made the point that all American presidents, all American administrations have always opposed Israeli expansion and occupation of Palestinian lands.

00:59:38.000 But we'd do it anyway, and the strong implication there was, we're going to give them blank check aid no matter what they do.

00:59:45.000 Why would the Rothschild-controlled EU, allied with the Dutch and British royalty, why would they be against Israel's expansion? 0.67

00:59:57.000 All these years, it's been much more widely reported in Europe, the brutality of the occupation, the wars of expansion in 1967, they call it a preemptive strike, they destroyed the Egyptian air force on the ground, they deliberately sunk the USS Liberty ship, killing 34 American... Trying to blame that on Egypt?

01:00:20.000 Trying to blame that on Egypt?

01:00:24.000 Well, even earlier stories have been confirmed by Casey, the late CIA director, in a book published posthumously.

01:00:33.000 We just had something this week.

01:00:35.000 He said that he was absolutely sure that Israel knew it was an American ship, as was Secretary of State, oh Lord, what's his name under Well, I've had Admiral Thomas Moore on this show to say that they let that happen, that our government was involved with Israel trying to sink a deployment on Egypt for World War III.

01:00:56.000 Oh yes, Admiral Moore is very strong at that point, and has been all of these years.

01:01:01.000 He was Chairman and Chief of Staff, he has a long, illustrious military record, but they

01:01:07.000 sure want to gag him, and of course the American press gives it very little attention whatsoever.

01:01:13.000 But the very arrogance of Israel saying, "The six billion dollars a year we get," and that's

01:01:19.000 another long story about how they forget it, the so-called loans.

01:01:22.000 Okay, but the question is why is the EU, I think this is only on the surface, why is this going on?

01:01:28.000 Stay there, we got a few calls for you Jim Tucker.

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01:04:43.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

01:04:50.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:04:54.000 Exposing the liberals, exposing the neocons.

01:04:58.000 In reality, between the Republicans and Democrats, there's no difference, only in the rhetoric.

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01:05:14.000 The Republicans are Trojan horses.

01:05:16.000 We're talking to Jim Tucker, American Free Press, and we're about to go to Umar and Daryl and others, and then we're going to have another guest coming on.

01:05:23.000 Jim, You say in your 26 years of covering Vildenberg you've never seen divisions until last year.

01:05:29.000 Now we're seeing divisions again.

01:05:31.000 Do you believe this is a genuine split inside the power elite of the New World Order at Bilderberg Group?

01:05:38.000 I believe it is a genuine heartfelt dissent, but I do think they'll repair it and kiss and make up.

01:05:45.000 This will pass, but it's interesting they're capable of disagreeing, particularly over the war in the Middle East.

01:05:53.000 To a lesser extent, on this issue of the Independent European Union Army, It is not eyeball-to-eyeball between the United States and the European Bilderbergs.

01:06:06.000 Many European Bilderbergs are opposed to the separate European Union Army, especially George Robertson, the Secretary General of NATO.

01:06:20.000 Obviously, he does not want to see a rival.

01:06:23.000 Well, the European Union Army would not be much of a rival to NATO, but he says it would be incoherent to have a separate force.

01:06:30.000 So we have jockeying of will NATO be the global force?

01:06:35.000 Will the EU Army be the NATO force?

01:06:37.000 How will America's military factor in as a unit?

01:06:40.000 Of that force, this transatlantic battle over the shape of the New World Order you say is a surface thing, but deep down at the roots they agree on the overall New World Order strategy of destroying national sovereignty.

01:06:51.000 I think the result will be nothing more than a European Union army that is a wing of NATO, a sublet of NATO, or maybe it will not come into existence at all, although it seems to be gearing up pretty quickly because, as Robertson and some of the others said, this has been incoherent.

01:07:10.000 NATO has now been established for the last two years.

01:07:13.000 As the World Army of the United Nations, I think we mentioned this last year because it came about during the 50th anniversary celebration of NATO in Washington, when Pennsylvania State said this, they said that now that we've invaded Yugoslavia, the first time NATO fired a shot in anger was to invade, not to defend Europe as this charter required, we can now go anywhere in the world Where our services are needed.

01:07:44.000 Okay, one more question, and then I've got two final calls and we'll let you go, Jim.

01:07:49.000 Sure.

01:07:50.000 This is very important.

01:07:51.000 The founder of the Bilderberg Group, this Dutch prince, he was a Gestapo Nazi officer.

01:07:59.000 Kirk Voltheim, who ran the UN, was a Nazi, '72 to '82. 0.57

01:08:03.000 We have the Bushes, Grandfather Prescott, trading with the enemy, running most Nazi 0.89

01:08:08.000 operations in this country, Brown Brother Harriman.

01:08:10.000 How does all this factor in together?

01:08:12.000 Because it seems to be cut from the same cloth.

01:08:14.000 Then you've got weirdo Rothschilds involved.

01:08:17.000 What is the overall driving ideology of the Bilderberg Group?

01:08:21.000 Who is the dominant subgroup in that 100 power brokers?

01:08:26.000 Well, money is power. 0.51

01:08:27.000 Power is money.

01:08:28.000 You make money on wars, arming both sides of of big wars and little wars

01:08:38.000 I believe it's simply the lust for power, certainly not ideology

01:08:45.000 So it's just power on control?

01:08:49.000 The Rothschilds, at least in recent years, have not attended by name

01:08:53.000 in the...

01:08:54.000 Twenty years ago, there would always be Baron Edmund, the Rothschild, and there was Evelyn Rothschild.

01:09:00.000 At first I thought Evelyn Rothschild was a woman, but it's a man.

01:09:04.000 Now, the Rothschild family is there, but through marriage and so forth, they have different last names.

01:09:10.000 Absolutely.

01:09:11.000 Okay, let's talk to Umar in Michigan.

01:09:13.000 Umar, you're on the air.

01:09:14.000 Go ahead, sir.

01:09:15.000 How you doing?

01:09:16.000 Fine.

01:09:17.000 Alright, Mr. Tucker?

01:09:19.000 Yes, sir.

01:09:19.000 I'm very familiar with your work in the spotlight.

01:09:23.000 You know, being well-read on the subject of the New World Order, I done talked to various people like Dr. Don Coleman, Anthony J. Hilder, and Bill Cooper.

01:09:35.000 I read a lot of books about it, this and that.

01:09:39.000 And up until now, You know, nothing ever happened as far as them coming out like they have recently.

01:09:47.000 Now, with what I understand from reading Carol Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, they want to get rid of black's undesirable population and, you know, the scars and other race-targeted virus that they got out here like HIV and everything. 0.99

01:10:08.000 This leads me to believe That I'm being attacked.

01:10:11.000 The question I think he's raising is how the Ted Turners and Prince Phillips of the world say they want to reduce world populations and then lo and behold are involved in controversial vaccine programs worldwide.

01:10:21.000 Any comments to that environmentalist agendas in the Bilderberg Group?

01:10:26.000 Well, it's interesting.

01:10:27.000 They want to control the world population and they all have a platoon of children themselves. 0.94

01:10:34.000 Okay.

01:10:34.000 So any comments to what you've gotten in the 26 years of covering them when it comes to eugenics and population and all that?

01:10:41.000 Well, year after year they've called for population control.

01:10:44.000 By population control they mean stop breeding so fast and be in poor countries. 0.84

01:10:50.000 And they've advocated, which many of us would not, publicly funded abortions on demand, which raises moral issues with a lot of China is also their model with forced abortion and femicide. 0.84

01:11:05.000 They love the Chinese model, do they not?

01:11:08.000 Yes, I think in China you're punished if you have more than one child or something.

01:11:13.000 One last question, and I'm going to let you go.

01:11:17.000 With all this proof that we have, or rumor, or in the endo about treason and so forth, Why isn't anything being done about it?

01:11:28.000 You know, I mean, we can pull up all kinds of stuff.

01:11:30.000 I understand the question, and thank you, sir, for the call.

01:11:32.000 We only have time for one more caller.

01:11:34.000 Because the establishment is the establishment, they regulate themselves.

01:11:37.000 We got the Fox guarding the hen house.

01:11:39.000 Any comment to that, Jim?

01:11:41.000 Except that I agree with you.

01:11:43.000 All right, let's talk to Darrell in Pennsylvania, last caller for Jim Tucker, then I'll take more calls.

01:11:47.000 We've got another guest coming on.

01:11:48.000 Darrell, you're on the air with our guest.

01:11:50.000 Go ahead.

01:11:50.000 Yeah, and Alex, I tend to agree more with you.

01:11:53.000 I think this so-called rift is much more just on-the-surface type stuff, sort of like the professional wrestling we see between the Republican and Democratic leadership in the House and Senate.

01:12:04.000 And to think that guys like, low-level guys, We've got Bush bad-mouthing the dollar, exactly what the Europeans asked for four years ago in Davos, Switzerland.

01:12:12.000 and the US is doing all this stuff in Iraq on their own against the Europeans' interests.

01:12:17.000 It just seems like more good cop, bad cop, with the US being the bad cop and the UN and

01:12:23.000 the Europeans being the good cop.

01:12:25.000 Now we've got Bush driving, we've got Bush bad-mouthing the dollar, exactly what the

01:12:30.000 Europeans asked for four years ago in Davos, Switzerland.

01:12:33.000 Jim, any comments?

01:12:34.000 Well, the anchor between the Europeans and the Americans was quite visible. 0.83

01:12:39.000 I think it is sincere, as far as the two main topics of the Middle East and the invasion of Iraq is concerned.

01:12:47.000 Otherwise, they're all singing in the same choir.

01:12:51.000 So on a hundred other issues of globalism there together, and that's all expanding, why is the EU contingent of the Bilderberg Group against taking over all these sovereign countries, or do they want to do it through detente instead of the military?

01:13:05.000 Uh, they talk instead of military.

01:13:08.000 Okay, but why is that?

01:13:09.000 Because they have large Muslim populations and the general public is against it?

01:13:13.000 Uh, yes, and they, uh, well, they're very concerned over so-called nationalism.

01:13:18.000 The election in Belgium this past Sunday, they were discussing it even while they were meeting.

01:13:28.000 The name of the party escapes me.

01:13:30.000 The Strong Nationalist Party in Belgium that picked up about 18 seats in their legislature.

01:13:37.000 They're considering punishing Belgium, even as they punished Austria for having a free election in which George Heider's party did well a few years ago.

01:13:46.000 So all of these elements come into play.

01:13:50.000 There's also been assassinations carried out against more conservative organizations.

01:13:54.000 I believe so, yes.

01:13:56.000 Yes.

01:13:56.000 Anything else, real quick?

01:13:59.000 Yes, Alex.

01:13:59.000 Caller?

01:14:01.000 Would you both agree that John Kennedy was the last American leader that really showed a big streak of independence?

01:14:08.000 And I'll drop off.

01:14:09.000 Thank you.

01:14:10.000 Okay, thank you.

01:14:10.000 Comments on JFK?

01:14:14.000 Yes, I voted for Nixon in 1960, but Kennedy was very strong on trying to Uh, keep Israel under control, to keep Israel from expanding its borders, and there's much speculation about could that have been the, uh, one of the reasons he was killed.

01:14:31.000 Well, he'd always gone with their agenda, and then suddenly after he saw the Northwoods plan, the U.S.

01:14:35.000 government plan to carry out terror to blame it on enemies, and then this has even been on Frontline now, they finally mentioned it, He moved to abolish the CIA, abolish the Federal Reserve, print our own money instead of Federal Reserve notes, get us out of Vietnam and the Israel thing, and I think all of that together contributed to the globalists going after Kennedy.

01:14:53.000 Why do you think Kennedy defected into the people's ranks there at the end, Jim?

01:14:58.000 Well, the Kennedys never have been associated with a big bucks voice because they're snobs. 0.99

01:15:04.000 The Kennedy money was new money.

01:15:06.000 The Rockefeller money is old money by American standards.

01:15:09.000 I think so.

01:15:11.000 President Kennedy's granddaddy came over as a poor Irish boy, set up a small bar, and

01:15:17.000 his daddy, the late Joe Kennedy, made the big bucks and made them rich, but it was all

01:15:21.000 new money.

01:15:22.000 Of course, he made it on whiskey and then on films, so they were just the new kids.

01:15:29.000 They were not old money.

01:15:30.000 They were not part of the elite.

01:15:33.000 Absolutely.

01:15:33.000 Well, but I really appreciate you coming on the show.

01:15:37.000 Jim Tucker, we'll check in with you.

01:15:38.000 We appreciate your work.

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01:16:00.000 Right.

01:16:01.000 Alright, Jim, thank you for coming on the show.

01:16:04.000 Appreciate it.

01:16:04.000 God bless you.

01:16:06.000 Of course, my websites are InfoWars.com, InfoWars.net, and PrisonPlanet.com, and I would add a caveat to all of this, that this is theater to manipulate the population, but definitely there are some internal fights going on, but as Jim said, on the surface.

01:16:23.000 We'll be back, take more calls, and I've got, speaking of Belgium, I've got a doctor involved in the War Crimes Tribunal over there.

01:16:31.000 Talk about the indictment of General Franks for war crimes.

01:16:34.000 Some of the real stuff that went on in Iraq.

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01:21:03.000 Welcome back.

01:21:04.000 Let me jump into some more news.

01:21:06.000 Then we've got a guest coming up in the next segment from overseas.

01:21:13.000 Earlier, I got into this very revealing article out of the Tribune Review, the Pittsburgh Tribune Review.

01:21:20.000 It's oninfullwars.com.

01:21:22.000 Greensburg police stop immigrants.

01:21:25.000 A wrong turn led a truck of illegal immigrants to do a seat belt awareness checkpoint in Greensburg.

01:21:30.000 Of course, it had nothing to do with seat belts.

01:21:33.000 They said they had a lot of arrests and fines and fees and other traffic citations at the checkpoint.

01:21:40.000 But for citizens, They detained the illegals and were ordered to release them.

01:21:45.000 The INS, well no longer the INS, now a division of Homeland Security, U.S.

01:21:51.000 Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, said, release them!

01:21:54.000 We don't want them!

01:21:55.000 We don't care if they're felons! 0.98

01:21:58.000 What an illustration!

01:22:00.000 But it says here in the lengthy three-page article that the citizens were grilled, there were many arrests, many fines and fees handed out to everyone.

01:22:11.000 And this was a four-hour checkpoint with 1,262 vehicles.

01:22:16.000 And it goes on and on and on with all the arrests and all the other stuff.

01:22:23.000 And it's got the police keep saying he's angry because they're going after citizens but not illegals.

01:22:30.000 Well, that's the way it is.

01:22:31.000 If you're in California, you're an illegal, you get more tuition than a citizen. 0.91

01:22:36.000 800 plus cities accept illegal ID cards from hundreds of countries now.

01:22:40.000 We're just totally wide open.

01:22:42.000 You can buy a fake ID anywhere.

01:22:43.000 It's totally accepted.

01:22:44.000 The banks accept it.

01:22:45.000 But if you're a citizen, now they're putting in thumb scanners, not just the ink readers, to get a bank account, not just to cash a check.

01:22:53.000 And then I have this article here where they're going to have drones over our cities.

01:22:58.000 But, oh, it's to stop illegals. 1.00

01:23:00.000 Do you really believe that?

01:23:01.000 Senator Warner said it is to watch the American people.

01:23:04.000 There was a backlash to military drones, so now it's for the illegals. 1.00

01:23:08.000 Everything is for the illegals. 1.00

01:23:09.000 Right here in Texas, when they started thumb scanning part of the federal plan, it was to stop the illegals. 0.94

01:23:15.000 And then they were given waivers and don't have to go through the system. 0.57

01:23:19.000 So, basically, you are a first-class citizen if you're an illegal, second-class citizen if you are the bovine-type creature citizen that we all are citizens to fund and be bled by this vampiric, parasitic state. 0.51

01:23:35.000 So, what an amazing illustration.

01:23:38.000 And then another story out of the New York Post, more raids in New York, this time of an entire apartment building, Busting down the doors.

01:23:46.000 Wasn't even government housing.

01:23:48.000 They just said, we can search wherever we want, whenever we want.

01:23:50.000 Nothing was found.

01:23:51.000 Of course, last week they raided an apartment, kicked down the door.

01:23:54.000 The old lady, the city worker, died of a heart attack.

01:23:57.000 They don't care.

01:23:58.000 They say they're just doing their job.

01:24:00.000 This is the new America. 0.51

01:24:02.000 But there is massive resistance starting to mount to this.

01:24:06.000 And then I have this bizarre story out of the Alamogordo News online at Infowars.com mainstream.

01:24:14.000 Uh, news article, Cloudcroft Chiefs stops Israelis with suspicious cargo.

01:24:19.000 They stopped them, they lied, they told a bunch of different stories, their visas had expired, they had sealed crates, and the Feds took over and won't tell people what was in the crates.

01:24:29.000 You have the AP article of the Israelis caught with the bomb diagrams and explosives last year, and diagrams of nuclear power plants.

01:24:40.000 The Feds took over, we never heard anything else about it.

01:24:43.000 We have the Israelis jumping up and down filming the buildings getting hit by the aircraft on 9-11 in 2001.

01:24:50.000 They were arrested, the government ordered their release, and then it turned out the Mossad really did run the moving company they were in, and the storage company, and they went to the building a week later and everything was pulled out.

01:25:03.000 A day after the event, everyone had already been out of the building.

01:25:06.000 Computers, desks, everything gone.

01:25:09.000 Files gone.

01:25:10.000 You know, this is a subject we've got to talk about, folks.

01:25:14.000 It's got to be discussed.

01:25:16.000 And we've got to tell the truth as patriots, as Christians, as Americans.

01:25:21.000 I'm not even saying Israel carried out the attacks.

01:25:24.000 The Deputy FBI Director did get up there on Fox and say we've arrested hundreds of Israelis before and after 9-1-1, shadowing Al Qaeda.

01:25:31.000 Yeah, but the FBI was paying for their homes, paying for their cars, paying for their credit cards for the actual people that they say were the hijackers.

01:25:38.000 So Israel is just as much involved in this as our government.

01:25:43.000 I'm not going to say that it's Israel, because Israel couldn't train hijackers at U.S.

01:25:48.000 military bases in Florida and Monterey, California.

01:25:52.000 They couldn't have a no-fly list for public officials and tell Mayor Willie Brown not to fly.

01:25:57.000 That was the FAA to New York that day.

01:26:01.000 They could not have U.S. 1.00

01:26:02.000 troops mashing into Tajikistan and Uzbekistan for the invasion of Afghanistan.

01:26:08.000 They couldn't have Bush on Cipro, the anthrax-fighting antibiotic, on September 10th, four weeks before anthrax popped up in Boca Raton, Florida.

01:26:15.000 They certainly are involved, that is clear, and a lot of good police have been stopping them involved in all sorts of incendiary activities.

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01:27:17.000 All right, my friends.

01:27:19.000 Joining us from Belgium is Dr. Van Morderb.

01:27:23.000 He is going to be giving testimony in the war crimes trial, if it ever gets off the ground, of General Tommy Franks and some of his other minions.

01:27:31.000 He was a doctor in Iraq.

01:27:33.000 He witnessed machine gunning of vehicles full of pregnant women.

01:27:40.000 And now the U.S.

01:27:41.000 government, the global government, is trying to pressure them not just to not have this trial or they're going to move funding out of there and move some of the government buildings out of there, the global government buildings out of there.

01:27:52.000 They are also wanting them to never have a war crimes trial.

01:27:57.000 And so this is all this global jockeying to see, I guess, who's in command of this new system.

01:28:04.000 Dr. Van Morter, I really appreciate you coming on the show today, sir.

01:28:08.000 Hello, nice to meet you.

01:28:10.000 It's nice to talk to you, and it's great the English you speak.

01:28:14.000 I guess a lot of folks over there in your deck of the woods do speak English, don't you?

01:28:19.000 Well, it's one of our languages that we learned at school.

01:28:23.000 And by practicing it in some places, I get a bit better in it.

01:28:28.000 Absolutely.

01:28:29.000 Tell us about yourself, what you saw in Iraq, and what's happening with this war crimes trial that Belgium can carry out.

01:28:38.000 Well, first of all, we have a law in Belgium that makes it possible to make a court case against people, even if they are not Belgian citizens, and even if they committed crimes outside Belgium.

01:28:52.000 But this law was already adapted some weeks ago under pressure of the United States, which felt already that there might be a possibility that maybe some Iraqi citizens would introduce a court case against the U.S.

01:29:06.000 authorities.

01:29:08.000 So it was already adapted and weakened so that the possibilities of making that trial was already lesser.

01:29:15.000 But nevertheless, The United States, when they heard that we were preparing a court case, and when I say United States, I don't mean the citizens of the United States, but I mean the regime and the president and the authorities, that they were already pressuring the Belgian government, not allowing that there would be introduced a court case.

01:29:37.000 So even they first pressured to change the law, And then when they hear that somebody wants to use that law, they do not respect the sovereignty of Belgium as they needed it with Iraq. 0.57

01:29:50.000 And they put already pressure on a government which officially, you have the separation of the forces, so normally a government doesn't have to interfere into court cases.

01:30:01.000 But the United States, the regime, they think that they can order what they want.

01:30:06.000 They think that they can give orders to the Belgium government.

01:30:10.000 to do like this and unfortunately the Belgium government feels the pressure of the United States the only military superpower in the world and they're now trying to shift that court case out of their hands and giving it in the hands of the court Of the United States, which is, of course, when you know that already so many pressure was put from the United States to Belgium to not try to dare to introduce a court case.

01:30:37.000 How fair will be the chance for a court case in the United States?

01:30:41.000 Because we did the most important things for war crimes. 0.92

01:30:45.000 Our war crimes described as this in the Geneva Convention, a special protocol that is not signed by the United States.

01:30:54.000 And now you've got weird terror alerts in your country, I guess kind of a smokescreen over all of this, just like we have here for political gain and as a way to divert attention with these Reichstagian events.

01:31:06.000 You were in Iraq, and you're going to be testifying if this trial ever gets off the ground.

01:31:12.000 I want to get back into some of the pressure that the cartel is using that runs this country to block it, but what did you see, Dr. Van Morter, in Iraq when you were there?

01:31:21.000 What was your position there?

01:31:24.000 Well, first of all, to come back to the crimes that were committed over there, normally you should try to avoid not to target the civil population.

01:31:33.000 Well, by bombing and destroying the electricity and water supply and telephones, etc., Who do you think who is hit by this?

01:31:42.000 We have seen it in the civil population who is targeted by this and hit by this.

01:31:47.000 Even we had a high-ranking Belgian military who said, if you don't hit the civil population or not target them, you never will be able to win a war.

01:31:56.000 So, even in military circles, they say you have to hit the civil population, but officially, they say, of course, we do our utmost best not to touch them.

01:32:07.000 But with water and electricity in a modern society, which Iraq was, When you take away this, this causes a lot of dead people even without using a bullet directly to kill children. 0.99

01:32:20.000 You know one in four children is malnourished in Iraq.

01:32:24.000 When they have no drinkable water and you give this, this makes them having infection, diarrhea, they will die.

01:32:31.000 But during the days of the, when they were conquering Baghdad city, At that time, they were shooting at really everything that moved.

01:32:41.000 I make the comparison, it's like an ordinary bank robbery, which a hold-up, while the difference is that with a hold-up, people that do it, the bandits, they cover their face, and they do not say, we do it in the interest of the...

01:32:57.000 The workers and the owners of the bank.

01:33:00.000 In this context, I have seen the ambulance that shifted two heavy wounded people from the hospital that we were working to another hospital, came back 10 minutes later and it was shot all over.

01:33:13.000 Two young people that still had a chance to survive when I entered that ambulance had fresh keyholes, I mean bullet holes.

01:33:20.000 in their body all over. So they were shot. I heard later because the driver was wounded

01:33:26.000 heavy as well. When he came out of theater we asked him what happened. They saw a tank,

01:33:31.000 an American tank in the distance so they slowed down. I wanted to make a U-turn and at that

01:33:37.000 time they were shot without warning, without stop sign, without shooting in the air. Directly

01:33:43.000 they were shot by American GIs who were standing there.

01:33:46.000 Dr. Ann Mortar?

01:33:47.000 Yes?

01:33:48.000 I have just a few questions here for you.

01:33:52.000 Number one, Iraq's been under siege for 12 years.

01:33:56.000 Number two, Saddam was the CIA's creation. 0.93

01:33:58.000 They told him to invade Kuwait.

01:34:00.000 U.S.

01:34:00.000 Ambassador April Gillespie said go ahead and do it.

01:34:02.000 He'd always followed orders in the past.

01:34:04.000 This was a setup.

01:34:06.000 And I saw footage on Fox, live, of the tanks driving through Baghdad.

01:34:12.000 You had civilian trucks on the highway, the Marines whooping and yelling, machine gunning trucks, men, women, and children spelling out dead on the street.

01:34:22.000 Images of burned dead molten bodies.

01:34:25.000 They would cut away from it quickly.

01:34:26.000 It was a bloodthirsty free-for-all.

01:34:28.000 We now found out that most of the Republican Guard had already been paid off weeks before in gold bars by British SAS and U.S.

01:34:36.000 Delta Force.

01:34:37.000 We already know that this was basically a staged deal in the final weeks, and the average American has no idea that it's confirmed that in many cases Iraqis are not shooting back in these protests.

01:34:48.000 They're mowing them down.

01:34:50.000 It's a Tiananmen Square every week over there.

01:34:53.000 And now they're fighting to keep this news out of our country.

01:34:58.000 It is embarrassing.

01:34:59.000 This is a staged war.

01:35:01.000 You have the Project for a New American Century, penned by Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, saying Saddam isn't a threat, that they wanted the oil and as a military launch base.

01:35:11.000 All of these factors together, though, answer those questions or comment on them.

01:35:16.000 How can Belgium, though, yes, you're sovereign, but how can Belgium, then, ever bring justice to people like Tommy Franks?

01:35:24.000 Well, we got it from about 20 Iraqi people, got their testimony, and they will to bring Franks to a Belgium court case.

01:35:36.000 So, we do not say it's an individual soldier because stories with ambulances, I can tell you another one where two pregnant women were inside, it was shot at when they were clearly with the sirens noise and with the lights flashing and clearly seen as an ambulance who was shot by an American tank.

01:35:55.000 And when the husband who was there with his woman in labor, he find himself when the car exploded outside of the car, and when people wanted to rescue him, these people were shot at by American GIs.

01:36:06.000 And later, in that incident with the ambulance where I was seeing the ambulance returning, I went to an American tank with my hands up, And shouting, I'm a Belgian medical doctor.

01:36:17.000 And when I arrived to that tank, my heart beating because I did not know if they were shoot at me, yes or no.

01:36:23.000 Because normally we would have been taken to that ambulance if there were not that two heavy wounded people.

01:36:28.000 So it could have that we have been killed by it. 0.98

01:36:31.000 So I said to this man, are you crazy? 1.00

01:36:33.000 You shoot to an ambulance. 1.00

01:36:34.000 You know what he answered?

01:36:36.000 He answered, he was not really nervous.

01:36:39.000 He was sitting relaxed over there.

01:36:40.000 And he said, well, it might have been full of explosives.

01:36:44.000 Well, if you reason like this, then it's a kind of the preemptive strike that Bush was doing to Iraq that these soldiers were instructed to do in Iraq itself.

01:36:55.000 Also, Dr. Van Morder is there in the middle of this.

01:37:00.000 Also, now North Korea is saying they'll preemptively nuke people because of this policy.

01:37:04.000 Japan is now going to arm with nuclear weapons.

01:37:06.000 They covertly have already built hundreds, the evidence shows.

01:37:09.000 They're now going to launch a bunch of ships uh... fighter aircraft cruise missiles we know the japanese

01:37:14.000 industry can do and will do now we have a global escalation of of countries arming

01:37:20.000 themselves now because of this preemptive empire strikes first attitude

01:37:26.000 that's true and for that reason i think it's not a

01:37:29.000 all the world is in danger by this bush and his administration

01:37:33.000 not only do countries he's attacking but also i'd say also with the citizens of the united states because

01:37:40.000 Who is paying for all this militarization?

01:37:43.000 Well, let me just give you news from the U.S., Dr. Van Morter.

01:37:46.000 They are now saying, the Deputy Attorney General of California, that they may arrest you if you protest.

01:37:51.000 That may be a terrorist act.

01:37:53.000 They've got a law they want to pass where you get life in prison if one person blocks traffic in a protest.

01:37:58.000 the police are wearing black ski masks and skull patches, they are building giant prison camps,

01:38:03.000 it's in our news. Sir, we are turning in, let me tell you, from Austin, Texas, and I'm a conservative,

01:38:09.000 we are turning into Nazi Germany, prominent people are now fleeing the country,

01:38:14.000 they are massing troops, it is hell on earth, sir. Well, you see, the words that I was going to say

01:38:23.000 If they made a comparison with Saddam and Hitler, I think the comparison Bush and Hitler is much more accurate. 1.00

01:38:30.000 Because he is now responsible for militarization and for repression in his own country.

01:38:36.000 And we see the same things in Europe as well.

01:38:38.000 We see here, in Europe, that all decisions are made on European level, and that there is no democratic control anymore about it.

01:38:47.000 And again, here, as in the United States now, if you dare to protest, you will be coming on very relatively easy on a list of terrorists.

01:38:57.000 So maybe in the future the phone call that we are making now might be illegal because they might say you're trying to stimulate people to react and that's true.

01:39:07.000 We wanted to do that when we were there in Iraq.

01:39:09.000 We were there also together to see the real dirty face of the so-called clean war. 0.54

01:39:17.000 Six French reporters, reporters without borders, with credentials to cover a computer trade show.

01:39:22.000 They said this whole group isn't allowed here now because you went into Iraq unembedded.

01:39:27.000 I mean, now they're making it illegal globally for any reporter to cover things outside globalist control.

01:39:33.000 You mentioned how Europe's going under terrorism.

01:39:35.000 They're getting rid of juries.

01:39:37.000 They're getting rid of freedoms.

01:39:38.000 They're getting rid of your sovereignty.

01:39:39.000 They have an unelected board.

01:39:42.000 That's going to run the EU.

01:39:44.000 We see darkness settling.

01:39:46.000 It is very, very frightening to see this happening.

01:39:49.000 How is the globalists that control the US, how are they pressuring Belgium not to have this war crimes trial against Tommy Franks?

01:39:59.000 Well, the officials said already, if you dare to do that, it will have heavy consequences.

01:40:04.000 I think mayors are something like the head of your army, or I mean the total army, you use other terms than in Belgium, I mean the whole of the military, the head of it.

01:40:14.000 He came to Brussels to the NATO office and he said, well, if this is going to happen, He clearly said, well, we threatened we will not come here anymore with NATO, so they are threatening with economical, they are threatening with isolation of Belgium, and even now that the government is saying that they want to shift that process, that trial to the United States, we go in appeal for that.

01:40:38.000 But it is what the position of the Belgian government, even with an illegal procedure that they were following, even now they're doing everything what the United States is asking.

01:40:48.000 Now even officials from the United States said they are not satisfied yet.

01:40:53.000 They want the Belgian government to change that law because it will never be possible anymore to make one American citizen How do they think they have God?

01:41:06.000 Or what do they think?

01:41:07.000 They're bringing the whole world in danger and all freedom of speech and the impunity that I have seen from American soldiers who were really instructed to shoot at everything.

01:41:18.000 That was moving towards them, every vehicle and person that was not to be seen as an American one, they had instructions to shoot at. 0.80

01:41:26.000 So this responsible... Let me stop you, Dr. Van Morter, who was a doctor involved there in Iraq, saw this, eyewitnessed to this stuff, and is now going to be a witness if they ever have this trial over there.

01:41:40.000 Now, here's an article out of the Herald, civilian deaths in Iraq could be as high as 10,000.

01:41:46.000 We know it's well over a million from the sanctions.

01:41:48.000 Even Secretary of State Albright said that was a good price to pay.

01:41:51.000 500,000 dead Iraqi children alone.

01:41:54.000 That was on NBC four years ago.

01:41:56.000 We know what they're doing.

01:41:57.000 We know what they're all about here.

01:42:00.000 This is so evil.

01:42:02.000 But again, I want to show that you mentioned Europe's going under tyranny.

01:42:05.000 It's a worldwide thing.

01:42:07.000 Belgium is going to do this separately.

01:42:09.000 I guess not part of the UN.

01:42:11.000 What are some of the other atrocities that you saw over there?

01:42:15.000 Because I want to mention everything he's talking about.

01:42:18.000 I saw sections of on Fox as they showed our troops machine gunning small cars off the road.

01:42:24.000 People falling out dead.

01:42:26.000 It's incredible.

01:42:28.000 And then all the lies.

01:42:29.000 How they claim they got nuclear parts from Africa.

01:42:32.000 Turns out that was a falsification.

01:42:34.000 This mass grave, a falsification.

01:42:36.000 Falsification after falsification after falsification.

01:42:40.000 How can we believe anything that comes out of this crime cartel?

01:42:44.000 Well, at least the witnesses that I had recalled there, they are original.

01:42:51.000 So, you see the victim, you see people with amputations, you see people who are paralyzed, etc.

01:42:57.000 that I videotaped when they were telling, yes, we want justice to be done.

01:43:01.000 And this is, I think, also from the psychological part already.

01:43:05.000 People who lost their relatives, their limbs, their lives, their everything, at least if they know that this impunity, that in some place in the world, maybe there is a chance that somebody goes for a court case, That is already a psychological support.

01:43:21.000 And I say to the United States authorities, if they have nothing to hide, if they are sure they did do nothing wrong, well, that they'd be happy that there comes a court case and they can defend themselves.

01:43:33.000 But apparently, if they do everything to stop the possibility to start a court case, it means they say already in advance they're guilty.

01:43:44.000 And I have seen what they have done.

01:43:46.000 So they are guilty.

01:43:48.000 the war crimes that have been done over there.

01:43:51.000 There was an article in the BBC and there were several others where

01:43:55.000 news people witnessed troops mowing women down at a hundred yards away and high-fiving and saying hey

01:44:04.000 I had to take the bleep bleep out.

01:44:07.000 Ha ha, like it was a bloodthirsty video game.

01:44:10.000 It's scary to know these troops are going to come back now.

01:44:13.000 You know, the Delta Force, a unit just slaughtered four of their wives from the same unit.

01:44:18.000 There's all sorts of people flipping out now and killing here.

01:44:22.000 Do we want people that have been warped like this coming back?

01:44:25.000 That's another question. 0.77

01:44:27.000 Well, I think the people in your army are those, I think, the most brainwashed in the world.

01:44:33.000 I talked with a lot of them when I had to enter the hotel and they wanted to have a physical check on me.

01:44:40.000 So I most of the time said, what are you doing here?

01:44:43.000 You're destroying here.

01:44:44.000 You're looting.

01:44:45.000 Because that's one of the points as well.

01:44:47.000 They organized the looting by saying... I tell you what, stay there doctor.

01:44:50.000 Can you stay with us for more?

01:44:52.000 Okay, great.

01:44:52.000 Yes.

01:44:53.000 Because I want to take some calls and let you finish the story.

01:44:55.000 A witness inside the whole thing, folks. 0.75

01:44:57.000 I tell you, it's disgusting.

01:44:59.000 And they're going to come back and be your cops. 0.96

01:45:01.000 We'll be right back.

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01:50:08.000 Dr. Van Morter, you were talking about the looting.

01:50:10.000 Other key areas you'd like to discuss that you were a witness to, and the witnesses you talked to as a doctor during the invasion and the takeover of the oil supplies in Iraq.

01:50:22.000 Dr. Van Morter, what did you see exactly?

01:50:25.000 Well, from the looting, that was also one of the most hallucinant pictures that still remains in my memory.

01:50:32.000 That when I was, for example, on the fertility hospital, where people were looting, they were taking gynecological tables, ultrasound equipment.

01:50:43.000 Wheelchairs, etc.

01:50:44.000 So it was clearly obvious that they were looting the hospital, and at that time there were American tanks passing by, and they were waving, hello, hello, and the looters were waving back, hello, and nobody did something.

01:50:55.000 So I went to one of the soldiers that was then at the Southern Center for Plastic Surgery, with the only hospital that they were protecting at that time, because Reuters asked them, because one of the British journalists from Reuters, who was shot in the Palestine Hotel when I was there as well, They asked to the American soldiers, please protect our British journalists.

01:51:18.000 So I went to the soldier and I said, you know, three, four hundred meters from here, they're looting the hospital.

01:51:23.000 So the other said, so what?

01:51:25.000 It's not my task, man.

01:51:26.000 Things like this.

01:51:27.000 And nobody's perfect.

01:51:28.000 Answers like this.

01:51:30.000 So, it was so hallucinant that you could see when even they did not shoot in the air, they did not say stop, they were waving at them.

01:51:37.000 So, it's more than stimulating.

01:51:40.000 Well, let me stop you, Doctor.

01:51:41.000 Rumsfeld then gave a press conference and said, freedom is untidy, ha ha ha, this is what freedom looks like.

01:51:48.000 Saddam was gone, this was the people's infrastructure being destroyed, now cholera is sweeping the country.

01:51:54.000 I know.

01:51:57.000 I can understand if you say people were suppressed and that they're attacking the symbols of the Saddam State, for example, photos, etc.

01:52:04.000 But at that time, even who was destroying the statues of Saddam Hussein?

01:52:09.000 It was the American Army who was doing it, or the Marines.

01:52:13.000 At the time that I said we don't have enough manpower in here to protect hospitals or museums, etc.

01:52:21.000 At that time, their men could be used, were used to topple the statues, as if the statue of Saddam was going to run away.

01:52:29.000 Come on! 0.61

01:52:30.000 Be serious! 0.58

01:52:30.000 This was really disgusting! 0.58

01:52:33.000 This is organizing the chaos for having the excuse for staying there for, as you said, not only to install a puppet regime, but to say, we are needed here for law and Incredible, Dr. Van Morder, please stay there. 0.74

01:52:48.000 I'd like to speak with you some more and take some calls.

01:52:50.000 Stay right there, sir.

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01:53:38.000 All right, my friends.

01:53:39.000 Already into the third hour of this worldwide Friday edition of the Alex Jones Show.

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01:53:57.000 And no, it's not.

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01:54:09.000 Here's a story out of the Herald.

01:54:11.000 Civilian deaths in Iraq could be as high as 10,000.

01:54:15.000 And the looting was organized and directed to break down that society further so the globalists can stay in the country longer.

01:54:21.000 Dr. Van Morder is a medical doctor who was in the war, who was in Iraq during the war.

01:54:28.000 And he's going to give his testimony in a war crimes trial, if they have it, in Belgium.

01:54:32.000 But now that's being blocked.

01:54:34.000 And he is a witness to much of this.

01:54:37.000 He also interviewed other witnesses to it.

01:54:39.000 And we're going to take calls for Dr. Van Morder.

01:54:44.000 Let me get back in the next segment if you'd like to talk to him or you have any questions for this eyewitness.

01:54:50.000 1-800-259-9231 800-259-9231.

01:54:54.000 Dr. Van Morter, you talk about how they organized the looting to break down the society.

01:55:03.000 Can you talk more about that and more of what you saw?

01:55:06.000 And you said the most brainwashed troops in the world are our troops thinking that shooting women is okay.

01:55:12.000 Can you talk about that please?

01:55:14.000 Well if you talk to normal people I mean not and I don't generalize neither did the Iraqi people also did not say the Americans not generalizations they were always talking about The President and the regime in the United States.

01:55:29.000 So please apologize if it comes over that I am attacking the United States population.

01:55:35.000 This is not my purpose.

01:55:37.000 I do apologize in advance if I should have been misunderstood by this.

01:55:42.000 But what I've seen is by these Marines, who I'm talking with, Nobody of them apologized him for the shooting of the ambulance. 0.99

01:55:52.000 Even if I was talking, someone was saying, come on, don't give me that shit, things like this. 0.99

01:55:57.000 If I was even telling what was happening, they were going to say that I was a liar. 0.99

01:56:02.000 I say, come on, it's turning the things upside down.

01:56:07.000 So I became a lot of times angry, and most of the time they started with giving excuses.

01:56:13.000 If you tell the stories, if I tell in Belgium the stories, what I've seen, people say, oh, that's pretty bad.

01:56:20.000 Oh, I feel sorry for you.

01:56:22.000 Oh, that is criminal, etc.

01:56:24.000 This is a normal human being reaction.

01:56:27.000 If you tell them stories about how they were shooting at everything that moved on their way without any excuse.

01:56:34.000 So if I tell this to Marines... 0.75

01:56:37.000 I understand all the things they were saying, but we don't need to go into that anymore because I have a lot of children listening.

01:56:43.000 But trying to understand something here for people...

01:56:46.000 In America now, SWAT teams, every week I see articles where they go to the wrong house and shoot somebody, or somebody has a heart attack and dies, or they shoot their own officers, you know, these devil teams, these guys that dress up in exact Nazi uniforms, you know, with skull and bones, crosses and everything, and black ski masks covering their identities, no badge numbers.

01:57:07.000 Well, the Nazis not, they don't. 0.71

01:57:10.000 Every week I see them killing innocent people.

01:57:12.000 They go, they raid whole apartment complexes now, But if they catch illegal aliens on our streets, they order them released. 0.76

01:57:20.000 Citizens are under attack here.

01:57:22.000 So the general public is used to this.

01:57:23.000 We have shows like Cops, where they train us like the running man, like a gladiatorial sport chasing us down.

01:57:30.000 The police dogs bite us on the news and blood sprays and people cheer.

01:57:35.000 So I want you to know that much of the public here has been warped into this bloodthirsty mindset, Doctor.

01:57:43.000 Well, it's a pity to hear that for the American population.

01:57:46.000 Well, a large portion of us aren't like this.

01:57:50.000 But more and more... Sir, they teach us that 2 plus 2 equals 5 in America.

01:57:56.000 I'm not joking.

01:57:57.000 Were you aware of that?

01:57:58.000 Can you repeat that, please?

01:58:00.000 The government teaches children 2 plus 2 equals 5.

01:58:04.000 No, I'm not joking.

01:58:05.000 I can send you the articles. 0.99

01:58:06.000 They're training us to be dumb here. 0.98

01:58:08.000 They're training us to be a giant satanic army, basically. 1.00

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02:02:38.000 Well, Dr. Van Morder is a medical doctor who was there and saw this.

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02:02:51.000 But we're talking to Dr. Van Morter.

02:02:53.000 Doctor, let's just talk about the war itself and get your response to that, not just the carnage and the organized looting and the mass murder of women and children by psychotically brainwashed globalist forces.

02:03:05.000 They're not even American forces now.

02:03:09.000 Let's talk about that because they said they were going to find these weapons.

02:03:12.000 They didn't.

02:03:13.000 They did give the stuff to Saddam.

02:03:15.000 I guess he destroyed it or hit it well.

02:03:16.000 The point is, it's an illegitimate war because hundreds of countries have these weapons.

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02:03:38.000 Your response to that and where you think all this is going?

02:03:42.000 Well, I'm glad to hear that you make that kind of analysis, because we in here, I'm active in here in a Stop USA committee, where Stop USA stands for Stop the United States of Aggression, not Stop United States of America, but in this context it is the authorities of the United States of America who are now acting like the United States of Aggressions.

02:04:08.000 So, we We make that analysis as well.

02:04:14.000 As you said, that Bush is more like a puppet.

02:04:16.000 Well, I think the strongman is Dick Cheney behind him and behind all this is the petrol industry and the military industrial complex.

02:04:27.000 As they wanted to invade Iraq, it was clear and obvious for all the world, I think, except some people in the United States.

02:04:34.000 Because when you would have looked to Fox TV, I don't think the people who only look to Fox TV, they will not know where it's really about.

02:04:42.000 They really were making... When I was hearing this journalist from Fox TV, when I could hear him speaking on the Palestine Hotel roof, I thought, hey, this man lives in another place and I live here because he was telling stories that I did not saw.

02:04:57.000 And they wanted to make believe the American population that it was done for the freedom of Iraq and the Iraqi population.

02:05:06.000 Even with the first day, I think, on April 9th, when they were entering in Baghdad and destroying the statue of Saddam, this was all organized.

02:05:16.000 This was all fake.

02:05:17.000 It was all surrounded by American troops and they controlled who could come inside and who could play a part of the show.

02:05:23.000 Doctor?

02:05:24.000 Yes?

02:05:24.000 Doctor, people like Oliver North, I mean he's known CIA, still is.

02:05:30.000 A lot of those reporters are publicly been part of the government, been part of the secret police apparatus, been part of all sorts of different enterprises.

02:05:43.000 So, I mean, when you talk about Fox, that's CIA television with a right-wing flavor.

02:05:49.000 CNN is CIA television with a left-wing flavor to give this false illusion of choice.

02:05:55.000 So, of course you had them up on the roofs telling 180 lies from the truth.

02:06:00.000 Of course that's happening.

02:06:01.000 Well, I could find out that, for example, NBC, the journalist, was interested in my story of things that I have seen.

02:06:09.000 He wanted to bring me on his show for NBC, but a senior guy in the United States, he decided, oh no, we don't need that guy.

02:06:18.000 Well, I mean, we've got a colonel who was running Iran-Contra, and a guy who's been running special operations takeover stuff for decades, and now he's on Fox telling you what's happening, embedded with the troops, wearing Army and Marine Corps insignia.

02:06:34.000 I mean, this is not fair and balanced, folks.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, but I'm glad to hear that there is a radio channel and that you have a show at least where people get some other stories because I was told that in the United States big majority of the press, the mainstream press is Telling just what the government wants them to say, so that they influence the public opinion in that way, and the majority believes that they were there for saving the Iraqi population.

02:07:05.000 The media here, they will pay ten times what a station's worth just to get it off the air.

02:07:10.000 They're buying everything up, they're trying to shut down the internet here, they're trying to regulate it, but they are in trouble.

02:07:17.000 People are waking up, I just want to tell you that.

02:07:20.000 That's the good news.

02:07:22.000 Anyway, I wanted to tell if people wanted to support us for that court case that we want to do against General Franks, there is an international appeal for that, which you can find on www.stopusa.be.

02:07:39.000 There is an English version as well of the appeal for supporting that at least impunity will be bring for court and that there at least will be a chance that responsibles for making this massacre in Iraq, that they will come for court.

02:07:57.000 Now let's make it clear, doctor, that's the United States of aggression you're talking about.

02:08:00.000 I would call it stop the criminal cabal that's hijacked America takeover system.

02:08:08.000 Because that's what's happened, is that we have the military-industrial complex that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about in that famous speech in 1960, has hijacked our government, has carried out terror attacks, and is using that to attack sovereign nations.

02:08:22.000 And the Project for a New American Century says, this was the White House's own document, they need catastrophic terror attacks in America as a pretext for this new world order, and they wrote this years before 9-1-1.

02:08:37.000 Well, it might be interesting for having in your program one of my friends in Belgium, Peter Frentzen, who is a journalist who wrote a book about the September 11th attack with the title, Why the Kidnappers Get Freedom of Doing It.

02:08:51.000 Absolutely.

02:08:52.000 Let's take some calls.

02:08:54.000 Alan in Kansas and then Sue and others.

02:08:58.000 Alan, you're on the air.

02:08:59.000 Go ahead.

02:09:00.000 Hello, Alex.

02:09:01.000 How you doing?

02:09:02.000 Fair, fair.

02:09:04.000 Doctor?

02:09:05.000 Yes.

02:09:05.000 I understand you're a medical doctor?

02:09:08.000 That's correct.

02:09:10.000 Now, my question is, and understand, we know from Afghanistan that our pilots were using a substance similar to amphetamines.

02:09:22.000 Sorry?

02:09:24.000 A substance similar to amphetamine.

02:09:25.000 He's asking about our troops who were hopped up on drugs, including ground forces now, in some tests were given aggression drugs, they're then given amnesiacs after committing murder of children.

02:09:36.000 Now that's my question to you, Doctor, is in your experience, from what you saw, and talking to the American military, did you see evidence that they may have been using some kind of Uh, drugs to stay awake and to drive them to their work.

02:09:55.000 Well, in case the doctor doesn't know, let me just tell him, they admit they're drugging ground forces now and not just giving them amphetamines for speed, they're now giving them aggression drugs that make them go into psychosis.

02:10:06.000 Doctor, did you see any evidence of the troops on drugs?

02:10:10.000 Well, uh, I did not see them literally taking the drugs, but it's quite possible if I describe you the way that I say that they look for me brainwashed, with eyes staring a bit, uh, in, in, in, uh, I apologize for my language, uh, um... You're a doctor.

02:10:26.000 Did they look like they were hopped up on something?

02:10:29.000 Well, sometimes I had the impression that people were really not when I was talking normally to them and I did not get normal eye contact with them.

02:10:37.000 They were avoiding eye contact with me and giving some standard answers that I thought, well, everybody tells the same story.

02:10:44.000 It's as if they're repeating the brainwash story in their head.

02:10:47.000 So it's quite good possible that at that time they were... Let me just tell you, we had a whole Delta Force unit come back.

02:10:53.000 Well, that's possible.

02:10:54.000 of them slaughtered their wives. And then one of them, the North Carolina News reported,

02:10:59.000 when the cops got there was flopping around convulsing.

02:11:03.000 They can only describe it as like demon possession. They don't know what's happening to these

02:11:07.000 troops.

02:11:07.000 Well, that's possible. I think before you're able really to shoot, to shoot at unarmed

02:11:14.000 children that you see when you look through your telescope of your gun and you have no 0.88

02:11:20.000 problems to shoot at it. 0.96

02:11:22.000 I think there must be something changed in your brain. 0.99

02:11:24.000 A normal person cannot do that.

02:11:27.000 Well, our troops rarely did that in Vietnam.

02:11:30.000 Our government couldn't get them to do it.

02:11:31.000 Why have our troops changed from the 70s?

02:11:34.000 To now in 2003, they will.

02:11:36.000 And Doctor, it sounds nuts earlier when I told you they teach the kids 2 plus 2 equals 5.

02:11:41.000 I have the mainstream news articles.

02:11:43.000 Caller, tell him, have you heard about how they teach fuzzy math?

02:11:47.000 Tell the doctor what I'm talking about.

02:11:50.000 Allen, have you heard of that?

02:11:52.000 I'm not, well, you know, I'm not certain about that, but I know instead of teaching math numerically, they've been doing a lot of verbal Well, for those that don't know, I have the Wisconsin Tribune article, the headline, 2 plus 2 equals 5.

02:12:08.000 They are brainwashing, our test scores are dropping, doctor, on purpose.

02:12:12.000 So there is brainwashing going on.

02:12:15.000 Yeah, but it was clearly that these Marines that I talked with, it's clearly that they were brainwashed.

02:12:21.000 Well, I saw on the news a lot of them look whacked out.

02:12:24.000 Any other comments, Alan?

02:12:25.000 Well, that is pretty much it, but I'd just like to say to the doctor, I've been at war.

02:12:30.000 I know what adrenaline surge is.

02:12:34.000 And I know how people act under it.

02:12:36.000 I've been there and done that.

02:12:38.000 But this question about them doing things as though they enjoyed and as though they were past what a normal person would understand and know to be right.

02:12:49.000 I'm wondering if that might not be drug-induced.

02:12:52.000 So you're saying, sir, you've been in combat and killed and you didn't enjoy it?

02:12:56.000 No, sir.

02:12:57.000 Well, that's what I've heard from family that have killed.

02:12:59.000 Well, I heard from one who was making at the entrance of the Palestine Hotel, who was aggressively trying to search me.

02:13:07.000 I tell you what, let's hear the story when we get back.

02:13:09.000 Stay with us, doctor.

02:13:10.000 We really appreciate you joining us.

02:13:11.000 Sue and others are up next.

02:13:13.000 Stay with us.

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02:17:15.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

02:17:22.000 We're talking to Dr. Van Morten.

02:17:25.000 And, folks, you remember Delta Force coming back.

02:17:29.000 And out of one unit, four of them killed their wives.

02:17:32.000 One of them even tried to get to his children.

02:17:35.000 And then went into some type of bizarre spasm, flopping around on the ground.

02:17:39.000 But the police reported.

02:17:40.000 Doctor, what type of drug?

02:17:42.000 The Pentagon admits they've got some new secret drugs.

02:17:45.000 Aggression drugs.

02:17:46.000 And then they give them a type of Halcyon amnesiac afterwards to forget it.

02:17:53.000 Do you as a medical doctor know of a drug that will make you become psychotically aggressive?

02:17:58.000 Well, I'm not a specialist in that topic, so I cannot give you the right answer on that.

02:18:08.000 I've seen some people having strange reactions over there.

02:18:11.000 For example, one guy who was trying to search me, and I said, don't search me too much, man, because he was kind of aggressive to me.

02:18:18.000 So he said, I'm just doing my job, man.

02:18:21.000 And I said, sorry.

02:18:22.000 He said, I'm doing my job just as you are paid for doing your job.

02:18:26.000 So I answered to him.

02:18:29.000 Sorry man, I'm here as a volunteer.

02:18:30.000 I'm not as a paid doctor in here. 0.99

02:18:32.000 But you are paid here with the trips to kill children. 0.77

02:18:35.000 I said, because I was so angry because I just have seen what I've done.

02:18:39.000 And he answered with a face I should have been able to videotape it.

02:18:44.000 He just shouted to me and I said, and I love it man!

02:18:48.000 Then I said, how is it possible?

02:18:49.000 A man so shouting. 1.00

02:18:52.000 He loves to kill children. 1.00

02:18:53.000 He was shouting to me. 1.00

02:18:55.000 Was it a leering, satanic type face?

02:18:58.000 Yeah, really satanic, really.

02:19:00.000 All the muscles in his face were so tight and so... Like this?

02:19:05.000 I love it!

02:19:06.000 Yeah, really shouting.

02:19:09.000 We're the good guys.

02:19:11.000 I said, this man was... I think this is a lunatic or something. 0.99

02:19:14.000 This is not normal anymore. 0.83

02:19:17.000 And this was the man who had to control me to see, to check if I could come back inside the hotel, yes or no?

02:19:22.000 He said, you said you kill children, that took a lot of courage, and you're not armed, he is. 0.94

02:19:27.000 You say you love to kill children, he goes, yes, I love it. 0.99

02:19:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:19:32.000 Unbelievable. 0.99

02:19:33.000 So what did you say to him when he said, I love killing children? 0.62

02:19:37.000 Well, I'm not going to say it on your radio here, but then I lost my self-control for a moment as well.

02:19:42.000 Well, let me just say this.

02:19:44.000 You can go to counterpunch.com.

02:19:46.000 The LA Times writer Alexander Cockburn runs it.

02:19:49.000 They interviewed a retired Marine who in the late 90s, they changed one of their cadences.

02:19:55.000 This is system wide.

02:19:56.000 You know, the little songs they sing. 0.99

02:19:59.000 And it's about taking American school children out, putting candy on the ground and then killing them. 0.97

02:20:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:05.000 No, I'm not kidding, sir.

02:20:07.000 In reality.

02:20:10.000 Unbelievable.

02:20:10.000 Sue in Missouri, then Jason in California.

02:20:13.000 Sue, you're on the air.

02:20:13.000 Go ahead.

02:20:14.000 Hi, Alex.

02:20:16.000 Great, Tim.

02:20:17.000 Meeting you ahead in Kansas City.

02:20:19.000 Well, thank you.

02:20:19.000 Oh, and did you see my Wisconsin article, 2 plus 2 equals 5?

02:20:24.000 That was in my presentation.

02:20:26.000 Yes, I was there.

02:20:29.000 I wanted to ask the doctor, what is the position of the Communist Party in his country, or any other Group with similar ideas by a different name.

02:20:41.000 Yeah, she's wanting to know if the move to do this is some left-wing deal and I'm sure at some level it is.

02:20:46.000 Go ahead.

02:20:47.000 Well, I'm wondering what that party in his country, what their position is.

02:20:53.000 And position in what context?

02:20:55.000 On the war.

02:20:57.000 Well, you know, officially nearly everybody was against the war. 0.95

02:21:02.000 But those who were in Parliament, they, in Belgium, were a bit hypocrite in that way as well.

02:21:07.000 They said we are against the war, but they allowed American troops to pass via Belgium and via the seaport of Antwerp, so that's... Well, I would add, I would add that the former ten communist blocs and Poland and others were involved in the war, and Putin's involved in his own deal with the Chechens, so I think at the higher levels they're all in it together. 0.63

02:21:26.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:21:29.000 No, I said in the official parties who are in the Parliament, but you have a Communist Party, the Communist Party in Belgium, which calls in here the Labour Party of Belgium, I believe, in English.

02:21:40.000 They had a firm stand against the war, and were also active in mobilizing people in rallies against this war. But what I'm saying is that then makes

02:21:51.000 the left wing look good. I'm saying at the higher levels of the Soviet Union, which is still around,

02:21:57.000 at the higher levels of that, they are actually involved in this war and not really against it. Only on the surface

02:22:01.000 were they against it.

02:22:03.000 I don't know about the party there, but...

02:22:05.000 Well, in the Belgium context, that's different. That's real...

02:22:09.000 I know some people from them as well, because I know from most parties I know people.

02:22:13.000 So I made an appeal when I was in Baghdad.

02:22:16.000 I made an appeal to the Belgian politicians, of whom I know a lot of them, to do really to stop the transport of US weapons via the Belgian seaport.

02:22:26.000 And they were still discussing, discussing, discussing what I was saying.

02:22:30.000 Well, you don't have to discuss while the killing is going on.

02:22:33.000 You have to stop the murder while the killing is going on.

02:22:35.000 Okay, hold on, Doctor.

02:22:36.000 The only part you really actively protest against it and try to block it in the Antwerp seaport... One more quick segment, Doctor.

02:22:44.000 We've got a break.

02:22:45.000 We'll just do about eight more minutes with us and we'll come back and talk to Jason in California and a few others.

02:22:49.000 Does that answer your question, Sue?

02:22:51.000 Yes, thank you.

02:22:52.000 Thank you.

02:22:52.000 We'll be right back with Jason in California and others.

02:22:55.000 I'm Alex Jones.

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02:22:59.000 Dr. Ben Morter, stay right there.

02:23:01.000 One more segment.

02:23:01.000 Thank you.

02:23:04.000 We're on the march.

02:23:06.000 The Empire's on the run.

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02:23:51.000 Alright, my friends, Alex Jones here, back live.

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02:24:28.000 It's important for you to get involved in this fight.

02:24:30.000 We're talking to Dr. Van Morder, a medical doctor who volunteered and went to the area.

02:24:36.000 Doctor, was that part of Doctors Without Borders, or what organization did you go with, or did you go by yourself?

02:24:43.000 No, I went with Medical Aid for the Turtled World.

02:24:47.000 Which is a small Belgium based NGO and the first goal most was in the preventive medicine.

02:24:57.000 We say that doctors and health workers have to be involved in actions and rallies against the war because I give the example if you do not only treat lung cancer you also try to prevent it by doing actions to stop people smoking.

02:25:12.000 So if you want to avoid that people get victims in a war Then you have to do actions to stop a war before it starts.

02:25:19.000 So that's a preventive medicine in the broad sense of the word.

02:25:23.000 In that way we differ from some big NGOs, for example Doctors Without Borders.

02:25:27.000 They did not want to pronounce them against the war because they are so-called neutral.

02:25:33.000 We say that does not exist.

02:25:35.000 When there is a war going on, you cannot say I am neutral.

02:25:38.000 If you say, if nobody says to Bush, I don't want you to make that war, but I am ready

02:25:43.000 to deal with the patience that you make, when then you help Mr. Bush to do that.

02:25:48.000 So our position is clearly on that point, political, and when people hear political,

02:25:53.000 they think party political.

02:25:55.000 That is not the case.

02:25:56.000 Political, it means you try to go into the political decisions that have consequences on the health of the population.

02:26:05.000 So when somebody decides to make a war, this has big consequences on the health of the population.

02:26:11.000 Now, our media is really saying nothing about the cholera spreading, the 12 years of degradation, how it's worse there now.

02:26:17.000 When you left Iraq, what was the situation like, then we'll take a call?

02:26:22.000 Well, it was pretty bad over there.

02:26:24.000 It was already pretty bad because of the sanctions and the embargo.

02:26:28.000 I told you one in four children is malnourished, and then if you put on them no drinkable water anymore, or no water, then they die from diarrhea.

02:26:38.000 But they said, they said that was all Saddam's fault.

02:26:41.000 Now they're in control, and it's worse, and they're mowing crowds down that protest.

02:26:45.000 And the Associated Press puts out false reports about the banners they have.

02:26:49.000 The banner said, killers leave. 0.99

02:26:51.000 And they, then in the news, said that the banner said, we're going to kill you. 0.76

02:26:54.000 When it's said in English, clearly from the photo, killers leave.

02:26:58.000 We're seeing this incredible propaganda.

02:27:02.000 Well, I'm sure the propaganda will continue, but what I know, I saw a recent report now, that the acute malnutrition is already doubled.

02:27:11.000 So I'm sure a lot of children and people will die now, without bullets, but because of having no purchasing power, because having bad living conditions.

02:27:21.000 You know, the water system is destroyed, the shoeing system is destroyed.

02:27:25.000 sewage system is destroyed, no electricity.

02:27:29.000 So they said, the propaganda from your country said that 50% was already repaired.

02:27:34.000 Even, I don't believe it, but if it was true that means still

02:27:38.000 50% is without electricity or drinkable water.

02:27:42.000 That's 10 million people.

02:27:44.000 And folks, before you say "Ah, so what about those Iraqis?"

02:27:47.000 I thought it was the Liberatum, folks.

02:27:50.000 All they've secured is the oil.

02:27:51.000 How would you like not having water and power and medicine?

02:27:54.000 Let's talk to Jason in California.

02:27:56.000 Jason, you're on the air with our guest, Dr. Van Morter.

02:27:59.000 Hey, how you doing today?

02:27:59.000 Go ahead.

02:28:00.000 Good morning.

02:28:02.000 Happy Memorial Day, everybody.

02:28:04.000 I just had a couple of questions.

02:28:05.000 I wanted to know when this general goes to the International Criminal Court.

02:28:10.000 I wanted to find out who actually decides the outcome of this.

02:28:12.000 This isn't the International Criminal Court.

02:28:14.000 This is a Belgium war crimes court.

02:28:16.000 And now it's all being shut down.

02:28:19.000 But what would happen if Belgium did indeed indict General Frontman Tommy Franks?

02:28:27.000 Yeah.

02:28:28.000 Well, stay there and I'll let him answer your question, Jason.

02:28:30.000 Okay.

02:28:31.000 How would the process work, Doctor?

02:28:35.000 I told already, now the government is under the pressure of the American regime is trying to get rid of this court case.

02:28:44.000 So they're trying to give it in the hands of the United States.

02:28:48.000 So, I think it is really unfair they are killing the victims for a second time.

02:28:53.000 Because there is no one single chance that in the United States there will be a fair trial.

02:29:00.000 That's clear.

02:29:01.000 Because they do not recognize, or they did not sign the Geneva Convention, the second protocol, and they do not accept the International Criminal Court Now, there were also calls to indict Ariel Sharon, but then there were some car bombings killing witnesses in Europe.

02:29:16.000 be a cover-up action. But normally, when it would have been in Belgium, and I tell you

02:29:22.000 we still go in appeal for that, so we try to get back that process in Belgium, then

02:29:28.000 it is normal that there should be at least to start with an investigation.

02:29:33.000 Now there were also calls to indict Ariel Sharon, but then there were some car bombings

02:29:38.000 killing witnesses in Europe. Do you know anything about that, Doctor?

02:29:42.000 No, but I know why we took Franks and not Bush and Blair, because in that law there

02:29:47.000 is immunity for presidents or for ministers.

02:29:52.000 That's why we don't take a minister or I think you don't call it minister in your country like Cheney and Rumsfeld.

02:29:59.000 We did not take them because they have immunity.

02:30:02.000 Yeah, they're part of the cabinet.

02:30:04.000 Yeah, so for that reason we took the highest ranking man who was actively in that war.

02:30:11.000 For that reason it was taking General Franks.

02:30:14.000 now he's retiring now uh... do you think that's because of all the heat or what

02:30:18.000 he thinks going on there

02:30:20.000 i don't know you should ask him but i think uh...

02:30:23.000 this man and also bush and blair and other people i should like them to have

02:30:28.000 at least for one day to fear that the people had in iraq the children when

02:30:32.000 they were not able to sleep at night during the bombing to see

02:30:37.000 the the the pain that victims are feeling when they are wounded when they

02:30:41.000 were not allowed I'm not...

02:30:43.000 Enough major painkillers due to the embargo of the United States and Britain.

02:30:47.000 Well, I wish them to feel for one day the pain and the fears, and then I will see if they are still able to sleep.

02:30:54.000 Because I cannot imagine how somebody who is responsible for making such a mess can still sleep.

02:31:02.000 Well, they publicly meet every year at Bohemian Grove and have a ceremony about not having a conscience or caring.

02:31:09.000 It's called the Cremation of Care at Bohemian Grove.

02:31:11.000 And by the way, yesterday we posted on InfoWars.com, from the Pentagon, the transcript of a speech where Cheney gave Rumsfeld the Doolittle Award.

02:31:22.000 And he talked about Bohemian Grove in that speech.

02:31:25.000 You can go read that.

02:31:26.000 These guys are out of control.

02:31:27.000 They enjoy this type of stuff. 0.98

02:31:29.000 They are very, very sadistic and ruthless.

02:31:32.000 And, uh, you know, they have divorced themselves from a conscience, and I would also have people say, well, Saddam kept all the money for himself. 0.60

02:31:40.000 Certainly he was a thug, that's why the CIA set him up in power in 58 as a hitman, and they got him into power in 76.

02:31:45.000 I mean, admittedly, it's a historical fact, but they would allow him to sit on the dental chairs, but not the tubing.

02:31:52.000 They would allow them to send the drill bits for a dental piece, but not the dental piece.

02:31:58.000 They would not allow them the parts, folks, and you don't know what this is like until you've experienced it, and it's horrible what has happened, and now it's gotten worse, so where's the excuse there?

02:32:11.000 Anything else you'd like to add, Jason?

02:32:14.000 Yeah, I was just going to say, in the case of an international criminal court trial, Who actually serves?

02:32:20.000 Who decides the outcome?

02:32:21.000 Is it a jury, a judge, a president, the United States?

02:32:24.000 Who do you know?

02:32:26.000 It's a tribunal, correct, doctor?

02:32:28.000 But it's not for the International Criminal Court case, so I'm not a lawyer.

02:32:33.000 Who decides?

02:32:34.000 I don't know.

02:32:35.000 This is a thing in Belgium, sir.

02:32:38.000 In the court in Belgium, it's a federal prosecutor.

02:32:42.000 Who first have to examine the case and then to see if they accept the case, yes or not, and if they will ask for an investigation.

02:32:51.000 And at least, if you look, if you let see people, people of the records, from judges of the records, they said to present here as well, that what the file that is introduced normally should require at least, at minimum, that there has been made an investigation on it.

02:33:09.000 Because it's really talking about war crimes.

02:33:13.000 But what the caller is saying is, in your federal court, in your country, it would be a group of judges, correct?

02:33:19.000 A tribunal?

02:33:20.000 Yeah, judges.

02:33:21.000 We've always pointed out, and I know you've grown up under it so you don't accept it, but you do accept it.

02:33:27.000 We don't accept it.

02:33:28.000 We believe in juries of the people, and obviously England now is getting rid of juries, and that's a bad trend.

02:33:37.000 Well, but I remember now, although I'm not a judge, I know from the Rwanda genocide where some people judged in Belgium for that, and this was for a jury.

02:33:47.000 So when it should come to a point whether he will be, Franks will be Yes or no, this will be by a jury.

02:33:58.000 So that's how it works.

02:33:59.000 The prosecutors and the judges decide if you're going to be tried.

02:34:04.000 And then when it gets into more serious phases, it's a jury.

02:34:07.000 Well, that's better.

02:34:08.000 Yeah, that's the procedure.

02:34:10.000 But as I said, the Belgian government is trying to get rid of it.

02:34:14.000 So they want to give it to the American court.

02:34:16.000 So that's a joke.

02:34:18.000 Hey, did you know in America now, Doctor?

02:34:21.000 Did you know in America they now arrest citizens without a trial, secretly?

02:34:26.000 Well, that doesn't surprise me if I know what they're doing already to the people in Guantanamo, who are almost two years already without a trial or without the right to see an attorney.

02:34:39.000 Doctor, did you know that General Rick Baucus, the general over the camp, resigned refusing to torture the people there?

02:34:45.000 And it turned out none of them were real Taliban or Al-Qaeda?

02:34:48.000 And did you know that our government admits they torture people to death in Afghanistan?

02:34:52.000 Those are war crimes right there!

02:34:54.000 And unfortunately it risks that those responsible for it never will appeal or will come for a court.

02:35:01.000 So in that context I'm glad that we took the initiative to give some people the chance.

02:35:06.000 By the way, for folks that are tuning in and think, "Oh, well that's just for those foreigners or for citizens that

02:35:12.000 are bad, for terrorists," 0.95

02:35:13.000 the definition of domestic terrorism in Section 802 of H.R.

02:35:17.000 3162...

02:35:18.000 3162, the U.S.A.

02:35:19.000 Patriot Act, passed October 27, 2001, is any action that endangers human life that's a violation of any federal or state law.

02:35:26.000 Now the Deputy Attorney General of California has said that protesting a war is an act of terrorism, open tribune.

02:35:33.000 So I want to warn everybody, it's just like Germany. 0.99

02:35:36.000 It's one group first, then it's everybody next.

02:35:38.000 And that's a lesson from history.

02:35:40.000 Let's talk to Clint in Missouri.

02:35:42.000 Clint, you're on the air.

02:35:43.000 Go ahead.

02:35:44.000 Yeah, I wanted to ask the doctor a question.

02:35:48.000 Sir, in your opinion, do you think we bought the Iraqi officials off?

02:35:52.000 Well, that's admitted fact now, sir.

02:35:53.000 They announced it before the war and then after.

02:35:55.000 Go ahead.

02:35:57.000 Hang off the Iraqis and gold bars. 1.00

02:35:59.000 Doctor, any comments?

02:36:02.000 Well, I didn't see with my own eyes, but what I saw was that at a certain moment in Baghdad, the people in the streets were ready to fight.

02:36:10.000 And let me say, they won the war up till now, but they did not won the hearts nor the minds of the people in Iraq.

02:36:20.000 I saw a lot of people who said to me, we are obliged to have a double face now.

02:36:24.000 We have to say thank you, thank you, welcome, welcome when we see them.

02:36:28.000 But when we are back, we say, please leave our country.

02:36:32.000 And I saw before, during the bombing, the morale of the people was still high and of the soldiers as well.

02:36:39.000 And so suddenly, it all collapsed.

02:36:42.000 So, I'm still wondering what's the reason of that.

02:36:44.000 And I think that's quite possible.

02:36:47.000 Some people said to me that there was treason on a high ranking... Let me clear all this up now, because I read the newswires daily.

02:36:57.000 Rumsfeld, before the war, said, don't worry, it'll be an easy victory.

02:37:01.000 We're in contact by cell phone, fax, and email with the Iraqis.

02:37:05.000 We're promising them amnesty or deals.

02:37:07.000 If they give up, already whole divisions have given up before the war starts.

02:37:11.000 Then it came out in the British and American news that, yes, gold bars, euros, and dollars were paid by Iraqi officials, Republican Guard generals.

02:37:19.000 They were flown out by helicopter.

02:37:21.000 That is a fact.

02:37:22.000 Go ahead.

02:37:24.000 Uh, yeah, I just, uh, you know, the other thing I wanted to comment on, uh, a couple days ago, somebody commented about the Hitler movie.

02:37:32.000 Uh, you know, I sat back and I, I'm one of your columnists on Prison Planet, and, uh, I wrote an article about it, and I had the same feelings, too.

02:37:40.000 Uh, I couldn't help but wonder in my mind if whoever produced that movie, uh, wasn't trying to warn everyone.

02:37:46.000 Well, for those who don't know, the Hitler parallels to using a crisis to seize power. 0.61

02:37:51.000 All of this is parallel, and as the doctor, any comments to that?

02:37:56.000 Well, I see a lot of parallels when you see that the American economy has now difficulties to sell its products on the world market, so they invest in the products that they are sure that are going to be used and to be bought.

02:38:10.000 Because every American citizen is paying for the militarization of your country, but the profits go to the shareholders of the military industrial complex.

02:38:20.000 So in the time of Hitler, he was investing as well in his military apparatus. 0.66

02:38:25.000 And at a certain moment he also had to invade other countries to use that army and also to get the regions, the regions in that countries.

02:38:35.000 So he robbed the national banks in countries that he was invading.

02:38:40.000 Well, I think exactly the same is happening in Iraq now.

02:38:43.000 So they're trying to steal the petrol, and to control the petrol sources where Europe and Asia, especially China and Japan, are depending much more on.

02:38:55.000 So they are their competitors, and they want to have control of their economical competitors.

02:39:01.000 And they're also using Iraq as a launch base for military operations.

02:39:07.000 And when I was interrupting it, you were saying the Iraqis were ready to fight, there was the halt in the bombing, suddenly everything collapsed.

02:39:13.000 It's the exact same system again.

02:39:15.000 Did you know, Doctor, in Afghanistan, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda leaders all work for CIA, and they have the young men lined up out there in the front lines getting bombed.

02:39:26.000 Young men, the goat herders that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda grabbed. 1.00

02:39:30.000 Then the so-called Arab fighters loaded on CIA C-130s, this is mainstream news here, were flown out to Pakistan and were paid in gold bars again.

02:39:40.000 We saw the same thing in Iraq.

02:39:41.000 So these are actually staged wars as well.

02:39:44.000 Saddam wanted to take the amnesty and leave two months before the war.

02:39:48.000 Bush said we're withdrawing that.

02:39:50.000 It's clear they gave him amnesty right at the end and flew him out to Crete.

02:39:56.000 There were actually aircraft that were escorted by our aircraft into Russian airspace.

02:40:00.000 I think they, if we keep saying this though, they may try some innocent Patsy, one of Saddam's doubles, as Saddam Hussein, who knows. 0.69

02:40:08.000 What do you think about that situation, Doctor?

02:40:11.000 Well, I think, I hope the truth will come out one day, but it's...

02:40:20.000 It's a possibility.

02:40:23.000 Even people in Iraq are wondering where he is.

02:40:25.000 I heard some people as well saying that at the end he was still playing the game of the United States.

02:40:31.000 And that he was rescued by the United States as being a spy for them and doing plans or doing things that were good for the American people.

02:40:40.000 Well, he was their boy in 1958, but I believe they got him cornered, let him have the amnesty at the end.

02:40:45.000 That's actually been in some mainstream newspapers.

02:40:47.000 Clint, anything else you'd like to add?

02:40:49.000 No, thank you, Doctor.

02:40:50.000 Thank you, Alex.

02:40:51.000 Doctor, it's been a real pleasure having you on.

02:40:54.000 You have a lot of courage going to Iraq, and thanks for your information and your testimony you gave us.

02:41:00.000 We don't stop this militarism in this police state.

02:41:02.000 It's going to affect all of us.

02:41:04.000 Domestically, we're under attack by the same system, but the people have been mesmerized, and I want to thank you and Godspeed to your work, sir.

02:41:11.000 Thank you, and maybe a last suggestion, if people want to know more about Iraq as well, we have a good website, www.

02:41:18.000 Iraq with a K from kilo dot B E. So Iraq dot B E but Iraq written with K where there's a lot of English information as well.

02:41:28.000 Give that website out one more time.

02:41:31.000 W W W dot Iraq. 1.00

02:41:34.000 So I... Stay there.

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02:44:32.000 Alright, Dr. Van Morder is still with us.

02:44:51.000 He didn't have time to really give out that website.

02:44:53.000 We should have done it earlier.

02:44:54.000 If folks want to check out a website detailing all of these crimes, how do they do that, Dr. Van Morder?

02:45:01.000 It's on the website www.

02:45:06.000 I-R-A-K. 1.00

02:45:08.000 So it's Iraq written with a K from kilo at the end and not with a Q. Iraq dot B-E.

02:45:15.000 I don't know if that's clear.

02:45:16.000 Iraq with a K dot B-E.

02:45:19.000 So Iraq dot B-E. 0.95

02:45:22.000 Alright, well thank you for joining us and we'll perhaps have you on again as this develops and you're wanting my contact information, you can just email me at Alex at InfoWars.com or I'm sorry, Alex?

02:45:34.000 Yes, Alex at InfoWars.com InfoWars.com Or tips at InfoWars.com, might be a better one.

02:45:45.000 And I believe you have the phone number here to my office, if not I'll have my producer call you next week and give you that number.

02:45:52.000 I know it's a little too late for us to do that now.

02:45:54.000 They're in Belgium.

02:45:55.000 What is it?

02:45:55.000 About ten o'clock at night?

02:45:57.000 I think nine or something like that.

02:45:59.000 I don't know.

02:46:00.000 All right.

02:46:00.000 Well, thank you so much for coming on the show and God bless you, sir.

02:46:03.000 And do you have a website as well that I heard of?

02:46:05.000 Yes.

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02:46:16.000 That's what we're turning into, yes.

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02:46:20.000 Thanks for joining us.

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02:46:22.000 Take care, my friend.

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