On today's show, Alex and Alex are joined by Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America (GOAA) to discuss gun control, the Iraq War, the assault weapons ban, and the Patriot Act 2.0. They also discuss Canada's refusal to hand their guns over to the federal government.
00:00:03.000Larry, what are some of the things we're going to be talking about in the next 30 minutes here on the air?
00:00:08.000Well, Alex, one of the things that strikes me as peculiar is the greater amount of firearms freedoms being allowed to people of Iraq compared to the folks in the United States by the same administration.
00:00:19.000Well, they haven't gotten them trained yet like they have us.
00:00:23.000They're telling them, just, just, first they said hand them in, they wouldn't, so, okay, just let us register those.
00:00:29.000The Iraqis are saying in their news, you want to take them, we know what you'll do.
00:00:33.000You know, these guys may have had a tough life, but that didn't make them stupid.
00:00:39.000So that strikes me as hopefully something that's going to enable us to kill the renewal of the semi-auto ban.
00:00:50.000The disparity is so In Iraq we're talking about actual military full-auto machine gun AK-47.
00:00:59.000In the United States we're talking about semi-auto firearms that have never been used by any military in the world.
00:01:06.000We'll talk about the new Bush, Clinton, Schumer assault weapons ban.
00:01:11.000They want to reauthorize And my surprise at the NRA two weeks ago finally doing an analysis of the legislative center that could have been written by gun owners of America admitting the ban on semi-automatic shotguns and all that.
00:01:23.000I want to get your take on NRA members forcing them and gun owners members forcing them to finally tell some of the truth.
00:01:30.000And I also want to talk about Canada, many of their provinces refusing to turn their guns in.
00:03:03.000two five three three one three nine i authorized my listeners to make
00:03:09.000copies of my videos for non-profit not for sale purposes spread the word of the use of power of the grassroots
00:03:15.000educate the people who are really facing So, take action to get the new film today.
00:03:20.000Larry Pratt, before we get into Iraqis having more freedom with guns than Americans, and before we get into Canada and most of its states, its provinces saying, no, we're not going to turn our guns in, And before we get into the new assault weapons ban by Hare Bush and the liberals and the neocons, Patriot Act 1 and 2, your lawyers wrote an incredible 20-plus page analysis of it, even scarier than mine.
00:04:57.000Not only do I defend the first one, I want more.
00:04:59.000We do have to take the offense on this for a very important reason.
00:05:05.000Even though there is officially no such proposal on the table as HR such-and-such with a billed number.
00:05:13.000This thing is what I would term opportunistically poised.
00:05:19.000What would be the next terrorist tragedy striking us would be an opportunity for them.
00:05:26.000And we've got to make it as clear as we possibly can before that opportunity quote-unquote arises to let the Well, elected officials know that we don't want you to do anything at the next crisis except make it easier for us to defend ourselves.
00:05:43.000But for goodness sakes, we don't want you to pass another bill concentrating more power in Washington.
00:05:54.000And they're also trying to get rid of the Sunset, as you just said, but already in the First Patriot Act, the key provisions like 213, the Snick and Peek, and others, and the expanded definition of terrorism, Section 802, those are not Sunset.
00:06:07.000And Larry, this is their incredible spin.
00:06:11.000I've written an analysis of Patriot Act 2.
00:06:14.000The legislative control sheet was brought by the Justice Department to Dennis Hastert, brought to him secretly, handed to Cheney, but that's the red herring of the House bill.
00:06:49.000Well, S-22 definitely is the mother of all gun control bills.
00:06:54.000It's got everything Short of a ban that they would love to have.
00:07:00.000It is the Brady campaign shopping list.
00:07:05.000And of course, in moments of crisis, they can easily tack on anything that they might have left out to see if they can't slip that through as well.
00:07:14.000I think that's the great danger and that we've just got to be doing our work now.
00:07:20.000And what is so wonderful about the members of Gun Owners of America is that They have been so tenacious and so persistent.
00:07:28.000They remind me of the widow in Luke 18 who went before an unrighteous judge, times don't change, and he blew her off because she was a nobody and he didn't think that he had to give her anything.
00:07:43.000Well, a lot of folks would say, well, gee, I guess if the government said so, it must be legitimate.
00:07:48.000And then and now, most people would have just walked away.
00:07:51.000But the widow knew that what she wanted, whatever it was, was right, and she persisted.
00:07:55.000And finally the judge, the unrighteous judge, gave in, gave her what she wanted, saying, and this is the quote from the scripture, she troubles me.
00:08:04.000And if we don't trouble them, I guarantee you they're going to trouble us.
00:08:27.000And then they'll say, you're a liberal making up information to discredit Bush.
00:08:31.000Why do we see, I don't see this widespread, but I do see pockets of it, massive denial by so many conservatives to the neocon agenda we see in Washington.
00:08:42.000I think denial is a very major and consistent human problem that we all have to deal with at one time or another about one thing or another.
00:08:53.000If something just seems too horrible to think about, you just Well, that couldn't happen here.
00:09:01.000No government in the United States would ever become tyrannical.
00:09:03.000Well, ask a bunch of Germans what they thought in 1930 and then what they thought in 1940.
00:09:08.000You know, a lot can change in a very short period of time.
00:09:13.000And to say that it can't happen here, is meant to a certain extent i suppose lazy man's way of
00:09:18.000dealing with a if it if it can happen and i want to deal with it
00:09:21.000i want to do anything and therefore i don't even need to ask for an excuse
00:09:25.000well larry it is happening here and we got a unified front by the hillary clinton's the chucky schumer's with bush
00:09:33.000on open borders on gun control on napkin gap on all these key issues on protecting
00:09:39.000uh... bill clinton blocking them burdens committee uh...
00:09:42.000Ari Fleischer, the Press Secretary, a couple weeks ago told the WorldNet Daily reporter when they brought up Hardingate and how Bush is protecting Clinton, he said, the President's moving forward and he suggests you do the same.
00:09:54.000Let me point back to the gun issue and the semi-auto ban just for a minute because Some people that will acknowledge that they've heard the President's spokesman anyway say that that's what he wants to do, to renew the ban, keep it on the books.
00:10:10.000They'll say, well, but hey, we don't have to worry about that.
00:10:13.000The House of Representatives isn't going to vote for that.
00:11:14.000And here's how it is likely to happen, and here's how it would have happened had Lautenberg been confronted in the Senate.
00:11:22.000Look, buddy, until your measure comes out of that appropriation bill, I'm going to filibuster your bill.
00:11:28.000Well, that's all well and good, perhaps on most legislation, but inside the beltway It's just unimaginable to think that you might shut down part of the government.
00:11:38.000And that's what the filibuster of an appropriations bill would do.
00:11:41.000So, which do you think is more important?
00:11:43.000Operating the government, or keeping the people free to own firearms?
00:12:36.000I think reality has begun to impinge on the principal culprit, in my opinion.
00:12:42.000Well, of course, it's the president for allowing the statements to be made, but Karl Rove is his principal political advisor, and I don't see him as a principled man at all, and I see him figuring that, hey, we're going to get some easy votes from the soccer moms, and the Gunnies don't have any other place to go.
00:12:59.000Well, first of all, that's a flawed analysis.
00:13:02.000Because the people that voted for George Bush in West Virginia are not quote-unquote gunnies.
00:13:07.000They're Democrats who normally vote Democratic no matter what.
00:13:12.000Yeah, Bush would have totally lost the election worse than he did in the general vote if it wasn't for the gunners.
00:13:19.000Absolutely, and so these people have no fear whatsoever of voting for Democrats.
00:14:32.000And it is important for gun owners to be involved and conservatives to be involved by pointing this out.
00:14:39.000We are now seeing a shift, at least in rhetoric, back to a more conservative viewpoint because of pressure I talked about how the NRA wouldn't talk about the assault weapons ban, how Bush was going to reauthorize it.
00:14:51.000They finally did in their legislative alert.
00:14:53.000They really won't do it in their magazine.
00:14:55.000How important was it that the real gun owners, real conservatives, are forcing the NRA to not be as anti-gun as they are?
00:15:05.000We hear from our members all the time, those that get emailed particularly, because that's how word spreads so quickly and effectively now.
00:15:16.000They belong to both and they see us doing something and they want the NRA to do the same thing.
00:15:22.000And I can tell you that they can express themselves in very forceful ways.
00:15:27.000I wanted to share with you an anecdote of just days after the first announcement was made by a spokesman for Bush that he was going to ban guns again if he had a chance.
00:15:41.000Carl Rove, his principal advisor, went up to New Hampshire, gave a talk at a university, and afterwards entertained questions from the audience, one of whom was our member.
00:15:52.000But Sam asked a question something like, What in the world do you think you guys are doing with this?
00:15:59.000And he got back a very imperious answer that this is the way it is, Bud.
00:16:05.000Well, Sam didn't really like that, so he went with a group of other people that wanted to shake Rove's hand and whatnot as he was on his way to the limo.
00:16:14.000And just before he popped in the back door, Sam was able to repeat the question, and Rove was visibly angry and started repeating how he didn't understand politics and blah, blah, blah, and grabbed Sam on the arm I'm older than he is and I'm bigger than he is.
00:16:30.000I grabbed him on his arm and I said, look, you tell your boss if he signs that bill, he's crossed the line.
00:16:41.000and Roe was beside himself, didn't know what to say, just let him drive him away at that point.
00:16:47.000They're finally beginning to see that this is not something like whether the sugar beet industry gets
00:16:55.000more protection or not, and people do have strong feelings, but hey, those sorts of things.
00:17:02.000No, they're understanding this is about the Bill of Rights and what America is, and if they're going to wrap themselves in that flag, they're going to have to uphold the values of that Constitution and that Bill of Rights.
00:17:13.000Larry Pratt, I want to shift gears for a second.
00:17:16.000Canada, many of their big provinces are saying, we are not going to enforce your gun ban.
00:17:23.000You register them, you confiscate them.
00:17:24.000They're actually saying, one of the heads of the provinces says, their law enforcement arm says, this only hurts law-abiding citizens, this is wrong.
00:17:33.000And now police, the federal police are warning the provinces, and more provinces are defecting, now the majority of them.
00:17:42.000I think it's extremely good news, particularly when you consider that it's Canada, where they have more of a British mindset that whatever the government says is legitimate because there's no legitimate constitution in writing.
00:17:53.000But they've heard about the crime rate exploding in England and Australia after the gun bans.
00:17:59.000They do, and I think the driver for this resistance to this tyranny has been the province of Alberta.
00:18:08.000Those folks really think like people in the western United States.
00:18:11.000They've taken the lead on this, and frankly, at the province of Alberta, and I've talked to people from there, in fact, interviewed one on my little talk show that's a weekly hour thing, Live Fire, an editor of a conservative publication up there who printed the results of a public opinion survey that found that a bare majority of the people of Alberta, if you had it on the ballot right now, do we want out of here?
00:18:38.000In a heartbeat, and then make themselves an independent country with lots of oil and... But, I mean, that's exciting that you have whole states refusing and then their citizens are on TV saying, I'm not turning my gun and you can come get it.
00:18:50.000We need more of that attitude here and we need to have those revolutions of information and standing up in these states like Massachusetts, California.
00:18:58.000I know we've got the people, we just don't have the media power.
00:19:01.000We've got to promote the alternative media in those states.