Alex Jones Show - 20030610_Pratt_Alex

00:00:00.000 About 30 minutes and he joins us now.

00:00:01.000 We're about to break.

00:00:03.000 Larry, what are some of the things we're going to be talking about in the next 30 minutes here on the air?

00:00:08.000 Well, Alex, one of the things that strikes me as peculiar is the greater amount of firearms freedoms being allowed to people of Iraq compared to the folks in the United States by the same administration.

00:00:19.000 Well, they haven't gotten them trained yet like they have us.

00:00:23.000 They're telling them, just, just, first they said hand them in, they wouldn't, so, okay, just let us register those.

00:00:29.000 The Iraqis are saying in their news, you want to take them, we know what you'll do. 1.00

00:00:33.000 You know, these guys may have had a tough life, but that didn't make them stupid. 0.99

00:00:37.000 Exactly. 0.98

00:00:39.000 So that strikes me as hopefully something that's going to enable us to kill the renewal of the semi-auto ban.

00:00:50.000 The disparity is so In Iraq we're talking about actual military full-auto machine gun AK-47.

00:00:59.000 In the United States we're talking about semi-auto firearms that have never been used by any military in the world.

00:01:06.000 We'll talk about the new Bush, Clinton, Schumer assault weapons ban.

00:01:11.000 They want to reauthorize And my surprise at the NRA two weeks ago finally doing an analysis of the legislative center that could have been written by gun owners of America admitting the ban on semi-automatic shotguns and all that.

00:01:23.000 I want to get your take on NRA members forcing them and gun owners members forcing them to finally tell some of the truth.

00:01:30.000 And I also want to talk about Canada, many of their provinces refusing to turn their guns in.

00:01:35.000 Okay, Larry?

00:01:36.000 Very good.

00:01:37.000 Fantastic.

00:01:38.000 GunOwners.org is the website.

00:01:39.000 Link through at Infowars.com.

00:01:42.000 Larry Pratt, who we're honored to have on the show, bearing the standard for the Second Amendment.

00:01:42.000 We'll be right back.

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00:01:59.000 [Music]

00:02:17.000 All right, folks.

00:02:19.000 We're talking to Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America.

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00:03:20.000 Larry Pratt, before we get into Iraqis having more freedom with guns than Americans, and before we get into Canada and most of its states, its provinces saying, no, we're not going to turn our guns in, And before we get into the new assault weapons ban by Hare Bush and the liberals and the neocons, Patriot Act 1 and 2, your lawyers wrote an incredible 20-plus page analysis of it, even scarier than mine.

00:03:47.000 You found stuff I didn't find.

00:03:49.000 I found stuff you didn't find in it. 0.94

00:03:51.000 The secret arrest of citizens, the secret executions, the guns being crimes, all of this garbage.

00:03:57.000 Ashcroft said there wasn't a Patriot Act, too, before Congress two months ago. 0.82

00:04:02.000 Now, last Thursday, he admitted it.

00:04:04.000 There is an expansion of it.

00:04:06.000 Your response, your analysis of the Patriot Act, and why do you think Ashcroft had to admit this?

00:04:12.000 I believe he had to admit it because the grassroots is afire with this.

00:04:18.000 Interestingly, both on the left and on the right, but the left doesn't really have much of a grassroots.

00:04:23.000 So when you're talking about grassroots, you're really talking about folks like us.

00:04:28.000 And the input to Congress is picking up.

00:04:32.000 The opposition being expressed to the White House is picking up because more and more people are finding out about this stuff.

00:04:39.000 And they can't believe that, oh no, here we go again.

00:04:42.000 So the best defense is an offense.

00:04:44.000 He launched and said, yeah, I don't apologize for the first one.

00:04:48.000 Tried to make it an illegal alien issue, knowing that we're against open borders, when it's not really about that.

00:04:54.000 A red herring there.

00:04:55.000 And saying, I want more.

00:04:57.000 Not only do I defend the first one, I want more.

00:04:59.000 We do have to take the offense on this for a very important reason.

00:05:05.000 Even though there is officially no such proposal on the table as HR such-and-such with a billed number.

00:05:13.000 This thing is what I would term opportunistically poised.

00:05:19.000 What would be the next terrorist tragedy striking us would be an opportunity for them.

00:05:26.000 And we've got to make it as clear as we possibly can before that opportunity quote-unquote arises to let the Well, elected officials know that we don't want you to do anything at the next crisis except make it easier for us to defend ourselves.

00:05:43.000 But for goodness sakes, we don't want you to pass another bill concentrating more power in Washington.

00:05:48.000 You've already gone too far.

00:05:50.000 Let what you've got expire.

00:05:54.000 And they're also trying to get rid of the Sunset, as you just said, but already in the First Patriot Act, the key provisions like 213, the Snick and Peek, and others, and the expanded definition of terrorism, Section 802, those are not Sunset.

00:06:07.000 And Larry, this is their incredible spin.

00:06:11.000 I've written an analysis of Patriot Act 2.

00:06:13.000 We have a copy of it.

00:06:14.000 The legislative control sheet was brought by the Justice Department to Dennis Hastert, brought to him secretly, handed to Cheney, but that's the red herring of the House bill.

00:06:23.000 It has been introduced.

00:06:24.000 The House version is the Domestic Security Enhancement Act.

00:06:28.000 The House version was introduced six months ago in January.

00:06:32.000 It is the Justice Domestic Security Enhancement Act.

00:06:35.000 It has all the same provisions under different subsections as the House bill.

00:06:40.000 It has been enrolled.

00:06:41.000 And in it, it has added gun control.

00:06:44.000 It is sponsored by the worst Democrats on the Hill.

00:06:46.000 So, I might point you to S-22.

00:06:49.000 Well, S-22 definitely is the mother of all gun control bills.

00:06:54.000 It's got everything Short of a ban that they would love to have.

00:07:00.000 It is the Brady campaign shopping list.

00:07:05.000 And of course, in moments of crisis, they can easily tack on anything that they might have left out to see if they can't slip that through as well.

00:07:14.000 I think that's the great danger and that we've just got to be doing our work now.

00:07:20.000 And what is so wonderful about the members of Gun Owners of America is that They have been so tenacious and so persistent.

00:07:28.000 They remind me of the widow in Luke 18 who went before an unrighteous judge, times don't change, and he blew her off because she was a nobody and he didn't think that he had to give her anything.

00:07:43.000 Well, a lot of folks would say, well, gee, I guess if the government said so, it must be legitimate.

00:07:48.000 And then and now, most people would have just walked away.

00:07:51.000 But the widow knew that what she wanted, whatever it was, was right, and she persisted.

00:07:55.000 And finally the judge, the unrighteous judge, gave in, gave her what she wanted, saying, and this is the quote from the scripture, she troubles me.

00:08:04.000 And if we don't trouble them, I guarantee you they're going to trouble us.

00:08:09.000 Well, that's it.

00:08:10.000 We've got to keep their feet to the fire.

00:08:13.000 This is curious.

00:08:14.000 I've done a lot of talk show interviews.

00:08:16.000 You probably do as many as I do or more, Larry.

00:08:19.000 And I've been on conservative talk shows, and I'll say, Bush says he's going to reauthorize the assault weapons ban.

00:08:24.000 And they'll say, that's not true.

00:08:27.000 And then they'll say, you're a liberal making up information to discredit Bush.

00:08:31.000 Why do we see, I don't see this widespread, but I do see pockets of it, massive denial by so many conservatives to the neocon agenda we see in Washington.

00:08:42.000 I think denial is a very major and consistent human problem that we all have to deal with at one time or another about one thing or another.

00:08:53.000 If something just seems too horrible to think about, you just Well, that couldn't happen here.

00:09:01.000 No government in the United States would ever become tyrannical.

00:09:03.000 Well, ask a bunch of Germans what they thought in 1930 and then what they thought in 1940.

00:09:08.000 You know, a lot can change in a very short period of time.

00:09:13.000 And to say that it can't happen here, is meant to a certain extent i suppose lazy man's way of

00:09:18.000 dealing with a if it if it can happen and i want to deal with it

00:09:21.000 i want to do anything and therefore i don't even need to ask for an excuse

00:09:25.000 well larry it is happening here and we got a unified front by the hillary clinton's the chucky schumer's with bush

00:09:33.000 on open borders on gun control on napkin gap on all these key issues on protecting

00:09:39.000 uh... bill clinton blocking them burdens committee uh...

00:09:42.000 Ari Fleischer, the Press Secretary, a couple weeks ago told the WorldNet Daily reporter when they brought up Hardingate and how Bush is protecting Clinton, he said, the President's moving forward and he suggests you do the same.

00:09:54.000 Let me point back to the gun issue and the semi-auto ban just for a minute because Some people that will acknowledge that they've heard the President's spokesman anyway say that that's what he wants to do, to renew the ban, keep it on the books.

00:10:10.000 They'll say, well, but hey, we don't have to worry about that.

00:10:13.000 The House of Representatives isn't going to vote for that.

00:10:15.000 It's under control.

00:10:16.000 Well, part of that's true.

00:10:18.000 I don't think the House of Representatives is where we're going to get clobbered.

00:10:22.000 But here's how it can happen.

00:10:24.000 It's already happened this way in the past.

00:10:26.000 When Lautenberg put his gun ban in, greatly expanding the number of prohibited people that are

00:10:31.000 allowed to own a gun in this country

00:10:34.000 people that have had domestic violence misdemeanors uh... spanking a child yelling at a dad things like that

00:10:41.000 uh... those people got stuck in nineteen ninety six it was a measure that he inserted in a conference committee

00:10:50.000 uh... in the senate behind closed doors yeah they can load it in his pork barrel

00:10:55.000 at any time and bush says he'll sign it now here's the here's the problem it comes out of a

00:10:59.000 conference committee sorry been voted on

00:11:02.000 some fashion the of the underlying bill has anyway in

00:11:08.000 Now they can no longer make amendments from the floor.

00:11:11.000 This is the final vote.

00:11:12.000 It's up or down.

00:11:14.000 And here's how it is likely to happen, and here's how it would have happened had Lautenberg been confronted in the Senate.

00:11:22.000 Look, buddy, until your measure comes out of that appropriation bill, I'm going to filibuster your bill.

00:11:28.000 Well, that's all well and good, perhaps on most legislation, but inside the beltway It's just unimaginable to think that you might shut down part of the government.

00:11:38.000 And that's what the filibuster of an appropriations bill would do.

00:11:41.000 So, which do you think is more important?

00:11:43.000 Operating the government, or keeping the people free to own firearms?

00:11:46.000 Well, take S-22.

00:11:48.000 It's a law enforcement, anti-terror, law enforcement funding package.

00:11:53.000 It's a giant spending bill, and they've got all this stuff in there.

00:11:57.000 I mean, this is what they're doing.

00:11:58.000 Exactly.

00:11:59.000 And now, Bush wouldn't sign that.

00:12:02.000 At least we don't think he would.

00:12:04.000 So that probably keeps my scenario from occurring.

00:12:08.000 But with the semi-auto ban, he said he would sign it.

00:12:11.000 So, hey, we don't have to shut down the government.

00:12:13.000 We'll just give it to him and he'll sign it.

00:12:14.000 Well, he's supposed to be a conservative.

00:12:17.000 And we're seeing the opposite from Bush.

00:12:22.000 And I just think it's a big wake-up call for people.

00:12:25.000 And there could be a mass shooting the week of the vote, which even Limbaugh has pointed out just keeps happening right on time for them.

00:12:33.000 And that could easily get it through.

00:12:35.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:12:36.000 I think reality has begun to impinge on the principal culprit, in my opinion.

00:12:42.000 Well, of course, it's the president for allowing the statements to be made, but Karl Rove is his principal political advisor, and I don't see him as a principled man at all, and I see him figuring that, hey, we're going to get some easy votes from the soccer moms, and the Gunnies don't have any other place to go. 0.53

00:12:59.000 Well, first of all, that's a flawed analysis.

00:13:02.000 Because the people that voted for George Bush in West Virginia are not quote-unquote gunnies.

00:13:07.000 They're Democrats who normally vote Democratic no matter what.

00:13:12.000 Yeah, Bush would have totally lost the election worse than he did in the general vote if it wasn't for the gunners. 0.90

00:13:19.000 Absolutely, and so these people have no fear whatsoever of voting for Democrats.

00:13:24.000 And it could happen all over again.

00:13:26.000 But maybe we'll have a chance to continue.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, we'll talk about that.

00:13:29.000 Great analysis from Larry Perrette, founder and president of Gunners of America.

00:13:33.000 Gunners.org.

00:13:34.000 Great analysis, great information, great organization.

00:13:37.000 And we'll come back and talk about Iraq.

00:13:39.000 They have more rights there than we do here.

00:13:41.000 Ha ha, for guns.

00:13:42.000 Then we'll talk about Canada.

00:13:44.000 Most of their big provinces are saying, we're not going to register and take the guns.

00:13:48.000 No fads!

00:13:50.000 No fads!

00:13:52.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk!

00:14:05.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:14:12.000 We're talking to Larry Pratt, Gunners of America.

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00:14:21.000 Larry, it's not just the gun issues that the neocons are on the big government tyranny side of the fence.

00:14:31.000 It's across the board.

00:14:32.000 And it is important for gun owners to be involved and conservatives to be involved by pointing this out.

00:14:39.000 We are now seeing a shift, at least in rhetoric, back to a more conservative viewpoint because of pressure I talked about how the NRA wouldn't talk about the assault weapons ban, how Bush was going to reauthorize it.

00:14:51.000 They finally did in their legislative alert.

00:14:53.000 They really won't do it in their magazine.

00:14:55.000 How important was it that the real gun owners, real conservatives, are forcing the NRA to not be as anti-gun as they are?

00:15:05.000 We hear from our members all the time, those that get emailed particularly, because that's how word spreads so quickly and effectively now.

00:15:14.000 That they've also contacted the NRA.

00:15:16.000 They belong to both and they see us doing something and they want the NRA to do the same thing.

00:15:22.000 And I can tell you that they can express themselves in very forceful ways.

00:15:27.000 I wanted to share with you an anecdote of just days after the first announcement was made by a spokesman for Bush that he was going to ban guns again if he had a chance.

00:15:41.000 Carl Rove, his principal advisor, went up to New Hampshire, gave a talk at a university, and afterwards entertained questions from the audience, one of whom was our member.

00:15:50.000 And I'll just refer to him as Sam.

00:15:52.000 But Sam asked a question something like, What in the world do you think you guys are doing with this?

00:15:59.000 And he got back a very imperious answer that this is the way it is, Bud.

00:16:05.000 Well, Sam didn't really like that, so he went with a group of other people that wanted to shake Rove's hand and whatnot as he was on his way to the limo.

00:16:14.000 And just before he popped in the back door, Sam was able to repeat the question, and Rove was visibly angry and started repeating how he didn't understand politics and blah, blah, blah, and grabbed Sam on the arm I'm older than he is and I'm bigger than he is.

00:16:30.000 I grabbed him on his arm and I said, look, you tell your boss if he signs that bill, he's crossed the line.

00:16:41.000 and Roe was beside himself, didn't know what to say, just let him drive him away at that point.

00:16:47.000 They're finally beginning to see that this is not something like whether the sugar beet industry gets

00:16:55.000 more protection or not, and people do have strong feelings, but hey, those sorts of things.

00:17:01.000 That's just the way it is.

00:17:02.000 No, they're understanding this is about the Bill of Rights and what America is, and if they're going to wrap themselves in that flag, they're going to have to uphold the values of that Constitution and that Bill of Rights.

00:17:13.000 Larry Pratt, I want to shift gears for a second.

00:17:16.000 Canada, many of their big provinces are saying, we are not going to enforce your gun ban.

00:17:23.000 You register them, you confiscate them.

00:17:24.000 They're actually saying, one of the heads of the provinces says, their law enforcement arm says, this only hurts law-abiding citizens, this is wrong.

00:17:33.000 And now police, the federal police are warning the provinces, and more provinces are defecting, now the majority of them.

00:17:40.000 Is this good news?

00:17:42.000 I think it's extremely good news, particularly when you consider that it's Canada, where they have more of a British mindset that whatever the government says is legitimate because there's no legitimate constitution in writing.

00:17:53.000 But they've heard about the crime rate exploding in England and Australia after the gun bans.

00:17:58.000 They know the truth.

00:17:59.000 They do, and I think the driver for this resistance to this tyranny has been the province of Alberta.

00:18:08.000 Those folks really think like people in the western United States.

00:18:11.000 They've taken the lead on this, and frankly, at the province of Alberta, and I've talked to people from there, in fact, interviewed one on my little talk show that's a weekly hour thing, Live Fire, an editor of a conservative publication up there who printed the results of a public opinion survey that found that a bare majority of the people of Alberta, if you had it on the ballot right now, do we want out of here?

00:18:36.000 They'd say, yes.

00:18:38.000 In a heartbeat, and then make themselves an independent country with lots of oil and... But, I mean, that's exciting that you have whole states refusing and then their citizens are on TV saying, I'm not turning my gun and you can come get it.

00:18:50.000 We need more of that attitude here and we need to have those revolutions of information and standing up in these states like Massachusetts, California.

00:18:58.000 I know we've got the people, we just don't have the media power.

00:19:01.000 We've got to promote the alternative media in those states.

00:19:04.000 What about Iraq?

00:19:05.000 Not arming Disarming the American people, but having to back off and not disarm the Iraqi people. 0.92

00:19:12.000 I think that's going to be a very effective tool in trying to keep the lid on the semi-auto ban and keep it from being renewed.

00:19:20.000 Because they're going to be allowed to own semi-autos, fully autos there, but we can't here.

00:19:25.000 Oh, I think that really sticks in the throat.

00:19:28.000 Alright, Larry Pratt, GunOwners.org.

00:19:30.000 Thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:19:32.000 Alex, thank you.

00:19:33.000 Your site's got incredible legislative analysis and information.

00:19:36.000 I visit it daily.

00:19:37.000 God bless you.

00:19:38.000 We look forward to having you back up in the future.

00:19:39.000 Same here.

00:19:40.000 Thank you.

00:19:41.000 Take care, my friend.

00:19:42.000 I'll be right back.

00:19:43.000 I'll get into Walmart, pushing the RFID.

00:19:46.000 New information on that.

00:19:48.000 Retina scanners to drive your car.

00:19:49.000 It's all coming up.

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