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00:00:22.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:26.000 and now live from austin texas alex jones

00:00:37.000 all right my friends another powerful broadcast lined up for you today as we

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00:00:53.000 We do have some guests coming up on the show a little bit later, and I'll be telling you about those a little bit later.

00:00:59.000 A bunch of news in the offing that we need to go over as we track the New World Order.

00:01:09.000 Websites being updated are InfoWars.com, InfoWars.net, and PrisonPlanet.com.

00:01:16.000 All three of the sites are different sites for different looks and different information.

00:01:22.000 Yesterday I had a journalist on with his book, The Silent Invasion, and He's even put me in touch with some of the people, and we're going to be having some of the folks that are in the book on the show, some of the customs officials and other federal officers, witnesses to the feds pulling up, grabbing other federal officers who were never seen again.

00:01:50.000 I mean, that's how corrupt this has gotten.

00:01:53.000 The family never sees them again.

00:01:54.000 The police won't discuss it.

00:01:57.000 The newspapers won't report on it.

00:01:58.000 It's just part of your new freedom.

00:02:00.000 And this was going on a year and a half ago when people in customs were trying to expose the government shipping in weapons, shipping in heroin, shipping in other forms of trash to destabilize our society.

00:02:16.000 That was an amazing interview yesterday.

00:02:19.000 Oh, but the Feds are back at it again.

00:02:21.000 You know, this guy they grabbed who supposedly was going to cut the suspension cables on the Brooklyn Bridge.

00:02:26.000 Turns out he's a Fed.

00:02:28.000 Bunch of the guys they grabbed in Afghanistan and the Middle East, turns out, are Feds.

00:02:33.000 And they quietly released him a few months later when you've forgotten about the big arrest.

00:02:37.000 And it's a minor footnote that, oh, he was really an agent.

00:02:40.000 They released him.

00:02:42.000 After putting out terror alerts.

00:02:43.000 After fear-mongering.

00:02:45.000 After taking control of our society.

00:02:49.000 And here's the Houston Chronicle.

00:02:50.000 Terrorists possibly targeting Texas.

00:02:53.000 Internet chat sites attack in July.

00:02:56.000 Energy facilities on alert.

00:03:00.000 So what you have is the Feds have been caught mailing fake anthrax letters in a congressional study that was done.

00:03:08.000 In 1999, remember all those powdered letters that got mailed to businesses and private businesses and government buildings and the feds then got lots of fear going and said, oh, we need more federal funding.

00:03:21.000 And then it turned out the CIA actually sent some super weaponized anthrax for real in 2001 and Bush and his cabinet were on Cipro, the anthrax fighting antibiotic, months before, a month before anybody ever heard of a case of it.

00:03:39.000 Well, they're just doing it again.

00:03:42.000 And Bush wants a six-plus billion dollar fund for forced inoculation?

00:03:47.000 Not just smallpox.

00:03:49.000 Bananthrax shots.

00:03:50.000 Oh, they're so deadly.

00:03:51.000 We've seen what they've done to the Tribs. 1.00

00:03:54.000 We have the medical evidence.

00:03:57.000 It's a great new system where they have giant bureaucracies being set up, new agencies, a $6 billion a year fund to force inject.

00:04:06.000 Can you imagine?

00:04:07.000 They'll make the CPS child kidnappers look like saints!

00:04:12.000 They've got the Amber Alert to take over the radio and TV stations.

00:04:15.000 It's real name is EAS, FEMA Takeover System, but now we have NORTHCOM, the military over the U.S.

00:04:22.000 But here it is.

00:04:23.000 Terrorists possibly targeting Texas.

00:04:25.000 And the reason I got off into anthrax and fake letters and real letters is, you know, the feds are out there on chat rooms trying to create fears.

00:04:32.000 They always do.

00:04:33.000 We'll get into that.

00:04:33.000 Another headline out of the Colorado Springs Gazette.

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00:04:41.000 Here's another one.

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00:04:46.000 They now say it can be considered terrorism.

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00:04:53.000 And they say they're having problems with the tags.

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00:04:59.000 Bunch of articles on this.

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00:08:04.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:17.000 Alright ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another live edition of the Alex Jones Show.

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00:08:33.000 The Chief of Police of Houston, Texas has gone public saying that you cannot get a fair trial in Houston, that things are hopelessly corrupt, that the crime lab publicly is in the job of operating a criminal syndicate, framing everyone.

00:08:55.000 That story's coming up.

00:08:56.000 You know, we've talked a lot about this because all over the state of Texas, and I see articles around the country with similar stories, but Texas lately it's been coming out in a particular way, a particularly large number of stories where they want to fill the prisons.

00:09:16.000 They just go round up 40-something people.

00:09:19.000 No drugs are found.

00:09:20.000 People don't have criminal records.

00:09:22.000 There's one witness, the undercover cop.

00:09:24.000 Everybody gets 20 to 90 years in prison.

00:09:26.000 Turns out later it's all totally fake and made up.

00:09:29.000 They just drive out and pick you up off the street and say you're a drug dealer.

00:09:33.000 The Houston Crime Lab has framed thousands publicly and they think it's funny that they plant DNA or make up DNA results or plant hair or fibers.

00:09:46.000 And it's just pandemic.

00:09:48.000 It's Williamson County.

00:09:50.000 Just north of Austin.

00:09:52.000 I mean, you can get pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt and you end up in jail for years once they get you into the courts.

00:10:00.000 I mean, it makes Boss Hogg look like a choir boy.

00:10:07.000 And, you know, this sounds incredible, but we read the article out of Massachusetts where the cop, the veteran cop, was at a party and somebody supposedly saw him smoke a cigarette, and it's an anonymous letter, and they fire him, and then the state says, uh, hey, you don't need to have witnesses.

00:10:26.000 They don't need to sign their name to a complaint.

00:10:29.000 We will fire you.

00:10:31.000 You don't get a trial.

00:10:32.000 You don't get a hearing.

00:10:33.000 And the cop says, well, what about innocent until proven guilty?

00:10:36.000 And they say in the article, the Associated Press article, hey, it's our policy.

00:10:43.000 So, if you're planting drugs on people, killing people, running prostitutes, and you're a police officer, you're going to go far.

00:10:51.000 But if you don't trim your fingernails properly, you're going to be fired.

00:10:56.000 So everybody's getting a big taste of this.

00:10:59.000 That story I just mentioned is coming up.

00:11:02.000 But look at this story out of the Houston Chronicle.

00:11:06.000 Terrorists possibly targeting Texas!

00:11:09.000 Now we've had the Fed send out the fake anthrax letters, warming us up for the real ones they mailed out in 2001.

00:11:15.000 That's a confirmed fact, by the way.

00:11:18.000 And then it goes on, U.S.

00:11:19.000 intelligence agencies early this month eavesdropping on two suspected al-Qaeda operatives discussing potential terrorism in Texas.

00:11:28.000 Time for July 4th weekend.

00:11:32.000 Raising the specter of an attack on energy facilities in the Houston area, officials here said Monday.

00:11:39.000 That information, which should not specify a target, an exact time, or a type of terrorist attack, was passed along to state officials.

00:11:47.000 We get these reports on a regular basis, said an official with the Department of Homeland Security.

00:11:52.000 We are currently in the process of assessing the credibility of the report concerning Texas.

00:11:56.000 There's always these discussions of credibility, and we've got to be credible, and we've got to check it out.

00:12:02.000 It came out in Capitol Hill Blue, and then Newsmax, and then the Associated Press, and then ABC News, and they tried to put a spin on it.

00:12:10.000 But it is admitted fact that the White House ordered FBI and CIA to create, quote, fake terror alerts to generate public hysteria and fear, is what the White House memo said of the FBI and the CIA.

00:12:27.000 Generate hysteria and fear in the public.

00:12:31.000 Now that is totally illegal for you or I to do it.

00:12:35.000 You know, try going into a theater and announcing fire, or try getting on the air and saying there's been a bio-attack, when there hasn't been.

00:12:44.000 But see, we'd go to jail for that and we should, but not the government!

00:12:49.000 Oh no!

00:12:50.000 Folks, in my film, The Road to Tyranny, we have footage from 2000.

00:12:56.000 From early 2001 with fake bio-attacks in downtown Austin, fake nuclear spills, okay?

00:13:02.000 They were shutting down parts of the city, shutting down hospitals, quarantining hundreds, and then they would quietly announce days later, oh, that was a drill you saw, that was part of a continuity of government drill.

00:13:14.000 They've had them in Denver and Cleveland and New York and Miami and Chicago and all over the place, but now they announce generally, okay, we're going to have this big drill.

00:13:26.000 And they announce it once or twice on the news and then all of a sudden cars are blowing up and down town.

00:13:30.000 There's smoke and fire and panics.

00:13:33.000 Last month when they had the top off too, some people did panic.

00:13:37.000 They got thousands of calls.

00:13:38.000 People didn't know what was happening, see?

00:13:40.000 Because they know the average person, if they announce it once or twice in the back of the paper, doesn't pay attention.

00:13:45.000 And then the next day it has the feeling of a real terrorist attack and raises that hysteria.

00:13:51.000 And then the government slips in as the controller and as the savior.

00:13:56.000 And offers to sell you protection.

00:13:59.000 You know, it's like the capo of the mob in New Jersey drops by your little warehouse and says, look, you've got a nice mattress factory here.

00:14:13.000 A nice little company here.

00:14:15.000 I'm not going to burn it down and I'm not going to beat your employees up or shoot them, but there's a guy across town who works for me and he's a little out of control, but I can make him back off if you'll just pay me, well, let's start with 10% of your gross receipts.

00:14:35.000 You say 10% of our gross receipts?

00:14:39.000 That would be about our profit.

00:14:42.000 Well, I'm sorry.

00:14:45.000 I've got an idea.

00:14:46.000 How about I give you a couple of my boys who work here in the factory and overseas stuff, and maybe that'll get you caught up.

00:14:56.000 Now, see, what is Homeland Security doing?

00:14:58.000 Putting FBI, Special Forces in plainclothes in key infrastructure positions, private corporations, They are going to boost your taxes in a dozen areas to pay for all of this and they're saying if you don't do it, instead of Luigi or Franco or Jimmy the Bull or whoever,

00:15:24.000 That's going to come get you if you don't follow orders.

00:15:27.000 It's Bin Laden. 0.57

00:15:28.000 Oh, I'm not going to do any terrorism, the federal government says.

00:15:33.000 We're trying to stop that.

00:15:35.000 But if you don't give up your liberty, you've heard them say it, give up your liberty for security.

00:15:40.000 That's what the killer says, or the kidnapper.

00:15:43.000 He puts the gun to the head and says, everybody back off!

00:15:45.000 Do as I say, or the girl dies! 1.00

00:15:47.000 See? 0.99

00:15:48.000 They got a gun to your head going, now do what we say, or Bin Laden's going to get you!

00:15:55.000 And then we, again continuing the analogy, This mob boss or this mob captain says I'll protect you from Franco or Luigi if you just pay me 10% of your gross receipts and take a few of my boys on to work here for you to make sure you're paying up. 0.98

00:16:15.000 You know, so they can sit there and become fat pigs playing dominoes while you and your family work. 0.94

00:16:19.000 See, you've heard of this before. 0.99

00:16:20.000 It's the government.

00:16:21.000 It's what the government's done.

00:16:22.000 They're sitting there in your house, eating your food, and telling you to thank them, because they're going to stop the bad man from burning down your warehouse facility, where you've got a little factory making mattresses, or clothes, or canning tomatoes, whatever.

00:16:40.000 Your family grocery store.

00:16:43.000 But then, as the Capo walks out the door, you see him get in the car, and you see him get in the car with the guy he was telling he was going to attack you, but he's got some sway with him.

00:16:56.000 He can stop him.

00:16:58.000 He can stop Franco from coming after you, but you see the Capo getting in the car, and he's getting in the car with Franco.

00:17:07.000 See, that's all this is, folks.

00:17:09.000 That's all any of this is, is more sophisticated, organized crime, shakedowns, extortion, racketeering.

00:17:18.000 And so they got Ridge in this article.

00:17:21.000 Oh, and the Houston Chronicle.

00:17:22.000 We're trying to, you know, get accurate information.

00:17:26.000 We only give you the best information about the terror attacks.

00:17:30.000 We've got to make sure these threats are credible.

00:17:32.000 And then, out of the other side of their mouth, they're telling people, give us fake Terror alerts produce false information.

00:17:41.000 The White House gave orders to the Pentagon, the CIA, to produce evidence of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

00:17:50.000 And so, when our troops come along, the dirigible mobile trucks that are for pumping up artillery surveillance blimps, which our government has, which the British and the Russians sold to Saddam, By the way, it's come out now that our government bought some of the same systems, same trucks from the British.

00:18:11.000 They make some of the best.

00:18:13.000 The Russians also make some of these systems, but of course we don't buy from them.

00:18:17.000 Our troops knew day one off their software, the Jane's Weapons Encyclopedia.

00:18:23.000 They knew exactly what that was, but it doesn't matter.

00:18:26.000 I still hear people on national talk shows.

00:18:28.000 Why Saddam?

00:18:29.000 We found the mass graves.

00:18:31.000 Why we found the weapons trucks.

00:18:35.000 I heard one of the big national hosts saying that again yesterday.

00:18:40.000 And by the way, folks, I also heard not just an afternoon show, but I heard a morning show on a different syndicator saying the exact words in the same order.

00:18:50.000 They are reading off scripts, people.

00:18:53.000 Okay.

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00:19:03.000 So you need to understand this.

00:19:05.000 They are the liberals, people.

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00:19:08.000 Chuckie Schumer's for the war. 0.99

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00:19:14.000 Get behind the war!

00:19:16.000 When the real Trotskyites, the Fourth International, this was the National Post of Canada reporting, headline, Trotsky's ghost walks the halls of the White House, Trotskyites running the White House, gun grabbing, open borders, regulation, growth in government, secret police, wake up and see it for what it is. 0.66

00:19:37.000 But it's bankers, it's not communists.

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00:19:45.000 So you've got mob bosses telling you, give up your rights or we're going to stick Bin Laden on you.

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00:24:20.000 Alright folks, we're back live.

00:24:32.000 And I kind of gave that long, meandering analogy of what organized, classical organized crime, the stereotypical pipe, In the big corrupt city system, better pay our group protection money or this loose cannon in our organization is going to burn down your business.

00:24:58.000 And that's what Bin Laden is for the globalists. 0.95

00:25:00.000 Oh, we're going to protect you from him, just let us run your lives.

00:25:04.000 And here's the Houston Chronicle today.

00:25:12.000 And then, you know, two dots, Chief, and there's a statement, Texas Justice Unfair.

00:25:17.000 Now again, that's the headline, Chief.

00:25:20.000 Texas Justice Unfair urges Crime Lab Court of Inquiry.

00:25:27.000 Criminal defendants in Texas are at the mercy of prosecutors in an unfair system that emphasizes winning rather than justice.

00:25:36.000 Houston Police Chief CEO Bradford said Monday, trial by ambush.

00:25:44.000 That is a Texas criminal justice problem, the chief said.

00:25:48.000 In a two-hour meeting with the Houston Chronicle editorial board, Bradford also said he believes there is sufficient probable cause for Harris County judges to convene a court of inquiry into And to publicly and independently investigate the entire Police Department Crime Lab, not just the troubled DNA portion.

00:26:13.000 He distanced himself, however, from any direct responsibility for the problems at the lab where DNA tests have been suspended amid questions about their accuracy.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, and the report by the legislature says that thousands of people were framed, okay?

00:26:29.000 I mean, it's just a joke.

00:26:31.000 The lab will give a prosecutor, without even having samples, they'll just say, that person's blood's at the scene.

00:26:39.000 And this got embarrassing for them, because people would have alibis, they'd be at football games, and the lab would be saying, oh, their blood's at the scene.

00:26:48.000 It turned out they framed a bunch of innocent people, and again, it's the same way here in Texas in small towns.

00:26:54.000 They'll just go out in a small town of 5,000, they'll arrest 45, 50 people, Charge them all for drugs, give them twenty to ninety years apiece, no drugs are found, all in the words of a corrupt cop who's now going to go to prison.

00:27:09.000 Now, it's good that the police chief's doing this, and some will say he's not taking responsibility.

00:27:15.000 Well, that crime lab has been doing this since before he got into office, by the way.

00:27:20.000 And that's what a chief's supposed to do, is call for an investigation and say it's corrupt.

00:27:26.000 And when he did this, of course, a few weeks ago, people tried to say, oh, he's bad.

00:27:30.000 And now the police are attacking him, saying he needs to go.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:27:35.000 Just let the corruption continue to breed and fester.

00:27:39.000 And don't stop it.

00:27:41.000 Just keep framing the innocent people.

00:27:45.000 Bradford advocated major changes in criminal prosecution that he said would make the justice system More fair.

00:27:52.000 And we'll tell you more about that coming up later in the show.

00:27:58.000 This is the type of news story I see every day around the country.

00:28:01.000 I mean, for those that don't know, I'm sure you've heard about Massachusetts, the former head of the Senate, and he's now the head of a major university.

00:28:15.000 His brother was a FBI, quote, informant, actually a mob boss.

00:28:20.000 carrying out all these different uh... major crime syndicate operations of course it's wasp mob they're not italian so you never hear about it and uh... when uh... when it came out the FBI was using the crime syndicates and the FBI was actually the top of organized crime that's when they went after his brother and now they're trying to go after the head of the university former head of the senate saying he's hiding them And the head of the university is now saying they're trying to kill him and his brother, that it's a cover-up of their corruption.

00:28:56.000 Well, the FBI has already been caught and convicted of running the informants, running murder for hire, running cocaine and heroin nationwide in a national syndicate.

00:29:05.000 You want evidence of this, though, going back into the 50s?

00:29:09.000 Mob boss J. Edgar Hoover.

00:29:12.000 He was a mob, he was a mafia boss.

00:29:14.000 He was the head of the mafia in the United States, folks.

00:29:16.000 That is, under the CIA.

00:29:19.000 It was founded in 47, you know it as OSS before that.

00:29:22.000 Founded directly by the big banks.

00:29:26.000 He got up before Congress and said, there is no organized crime in America.

00:29:29.000 La Cosa Nostra doesn't exist.

00:29:31.000 And of course, the FBI knew that wasn't the case, because they were running the mafia.

00:29:37.000 And then when they got caught, they decided to burn the low-level Italians. 1.00

00:29:40.000 They didn't go after the WASP. 0.83

00:29:42.000 They didn't go after the Jews and others that were higher up in the Mafia system.

00:29:50.000 That's just a fact, folks.

00:29:51.000 They didn't go after the Bushes or the Kennedys or others.

00:29:57.000 We'll be right back.

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00:30:40.000 it's alex jones and the gcn radio network so the chief of police in houston says that they're framing

00:30:54.000 a bunch of people and that

00:30:56.000 it's all about getting convictions it's Not about carrying out justice.

00:31:00.000 Well, yeah, that's criminal to frame people.

00:31:03.000 In fact, bearing false witness is about as bad as it gets, ladies and gentlemen.

00:31:07.000 But they admit that the police now call testifying, test-a-lying, or lie-a-testing.

00:31:16.000 And they just get up there, the courts have ruled they can lie on the stand, but the general public isn't aware of this.

00:31:24.000 And so all over Texas these articles are coming out from Dallas to Houston to Tulia to Austin where they lie and the courts are corrupt and they deal the drugs and they run the prostitutes and this is the government that's going to run our lives and the federal government then when cities get caught in corruption comes in and federalizes things as the US attorneys giving the orders over the police departments and controlling them with federal funds and The Feds just do a better job of corruption.

00:31:56.000 It's more of a top-down system.

00:32:00.000 But they've been caught many times.

00:32:03.000 So this is the government that's now running things.

00:32:07.000 The toll-free number to join us on air is 800-259-9231 on this Live Tuesday, 24th of June, 2003 edition.

00:32:12.000 nine ninety two thirty one on this live tuesday twenty fourth of june two

00:32:18.000 thousand three addition eight hundred two five nine nine two three one

00:32:24.000 so we have the terrorist in the form of the government the illegitimate

00:32:27.000 government that's overthrowing america posing as if they care about the country

00:32:31.000 and telling us give up our liberty or the terrorist are gonna get us

00:32:35.000 That's just simple extortion.

00:32:37.000 The equivalent of holding a gun to our heads.

00:32:40.000 That makes me angry.

00:32:42.000 The Colorado Springs Gazette is reporting, the headline, Northcom makes strong progress.

00:32:51.000 Now that's The organization merged with FEMA to form the Department of Homeland Security, and they had announced years before, 9-1-1, that massive terror attacks would happen, they would take over our lives, they would put troops on the streets, they would make secret arrests, special forces would take out the terrorists without trials, and that they would set up a New World Order, as the CFR Commission, chaired by a Mr. Rudman,

00:33:22.000 Warren Rudman and Gary Hart.

00:33:26.000 And here's the Colorado Gazette and the Springs Gazette and we're on in Colorado Springs.

00:33:31.000 Say hi to the folks there.

00:33:32.000 U.S.

00:33:33.000 Northern Command Military's Homeland Defense Nerve Center is streaming towards full operation while its civilian counterpart founders a member of Congress said Friday.

00:33:46.000 Now that's just not true.

00:33:48.000 It's all merged into one system.

00:33:51.000 Again, they play good cop, bad cop.

00:33:53.000 They say, oh, the military is doing its job of taking over our society.

00:33:57.000 My cousin is helping head it up out here at the Austin Airport.

00:34:01.000 Out there with the Army and the police in the same building with their helicopters and drones, I would add.

00:34:06.000 But, oh, see, they're doing a good job, but Homeland Security is doing a bad job.

00:34:10.000 No money for the states or the cities unless it's for more cameras or more surveillance, but no medical of funding.

00:34:20.000 Isn't that what we need in a bio attack or other attack?

00:34:23.000 Well, instead all we're getting is bullets, the doctors are saying.

00:34:27.000 That's not how you fight something like this.

00:34:30.000 Because this whole Homeland Security is a smokescreen for martial law takeover.

00:34:36.000 They're saying it's Homeland Security.

00:34:37.000 They've fallen down on the job.

00:34:39.000 It's their fault.

00:34:41.000 No, no, no. 0.99

00:34:42.000 You know, it's like when the kids get dumber, they say education's failed. 0.98

00:34:42.000 They're not failing. 0.98

00:34:45.000 Well, it was publicly stated by UNESCO and Department of Education, the former head of policy, Department of Education, on this show many times.

00:34:53.000 It's their publicly stated goal to dumb your kids down.

00:34:56.000 Last Friday, I remember they said, quote, the family's the enemy, it's a disease, must be eradicated.

00:35:01.000 Out of official UNESCO documents!

00:35:03.000 I mean, I know this sounds insane, but it's mainstream, people!

00:35:09.000 So see, they say, oh, Northcom's succeeding, but Homeland Security's failing, or education's failing, more funds.

00:35:17.000 No, no, no, it's succeeding.

00:35:19.000 But see, it's never for what the stated goal is, so they claim it fails for its stated goal, and always expand it, while the unstated goal's a police state, centralization of control, herding us into the compact cities, the cashless society control grid, while all that's being set up.

00:35:36.000 The Department of Homeland Security, the civilian agency, charged!

00:35:40.000 Well, it's not civilian.

00:35:43.000 It's in a military command, folks.

00:35:45.000 The Department of Homeland Security, the civilian agency, charged with protecting the nation, hasn't produced a single picture of where... Okay, it goes on.

00:35:55.000 I need to get my light more erected on this story.

00:35:58.000 My lamp fell out of its housing and slid down.

00:35:58.000 Ah, there we go.

00:36:02.000 I couldn't read.

00:36:03.000 Ah, now I can see.

00:36:04.000 The Department of Homeland Security, the civilian agency charged with protecting the nation, hasn't produced a single picture of where terrorists might strike, and won't for months.

00:36:13.000 Said U.S.

00:36:14.000 Representative Jane Harmon, a ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

00:36:20.000 Well, yeah, terrorists never want you to know where they're gonna strike.

00:36:25.000 That's the point of the fear, to get the political outcome.

00:36:29.000 That's why governments are the number one Uh, perpetrators of terrorism.

00:36:33.000 That's a fact, by the way.

00:36:35.000 Scientific fact, historical fact.

00:36:37.000 Without that picture, leaders can't decide where to spend scarce money and what needs most protection to harm in Democrat California.

00:36:45.000 For instance, she said, the focus has been on making airliners safe and less attention and money has gone to increasing port security.

00:36:52.000 Well, they don't want the cocaine and heroin to stop flowing in, lady. 1.00

00:36:56.000 In places, we are much safer, but we still lack an overall strategy to make the whole country safe.

00:37:02.000 Well, don't worry, they've announced RFID tags to go in the food, a national ID card to have a job, troops in the factories and on the streets, secret police everywhere.

00:37:12.000 Don't worry, Ms.

00:37:13.000 Harmon, they're going to do what's needed.

00:37:17.000 So you read these articles and it's a bunch of psychobabble.

00:37:21.000 Here's another story out of Scotland, Scotland on Sunday newspaper.

00:37:28.000 10-year-old Tearaways to be tagged!

00:37:32.000 Tearaway children as young as Tim will be electronically tagged under government plans to crack down on a nationwide epidemic of youth crime.

00:37:39.000 Youngsters responsible for terrorizing see their terrorists.

00:37:43.000 Scottish communities will be forced to wear the tags to prevent them from leaving their homes at night under the proposals.

00:37:50.000 And yes, it's been proposed in past articles to put chips in them, by the way.

00:37:54.000 The Bureau of Prisons in California signed a deal to implant their prisoners.

00:37:59.000 That was in Reuters.

00:38:00.000 When the news got out, they cancelled the deal because you complained.

00:38:04.000 So they're already moving to do that.

00:38:06.000 We're not speculating that's the plan here, folks.

00:38:08.000 This is just a transitional phase.

00:38:11.000 And parents who fail to help impose tagging orders on their out-of-control children will face fines and even jail.

00:38:18.000 So see, now you're indentured servants carrying out the job of a jail guard.

00:38:24.000 At the same time, they want to arrest any parent that even spats their child.

00:38:28.000 They're even talking about making verbal reprimands illegal.

00:38:33.000 I have just an article on that today.

00:38:36.000 So, don't discipline your kids.

00:38:38.000 Then they turn into demonic even And then the state tags them and puts them in juvenile hall. 0.98

00:38:45.000 They come out after being raped many times by the older thugs, in many cases, or the jail guards. 0.91

00:38:52.000 They got caught doing that right here in Austin, the jail guards did, in multiple prisons. 0.57

00:38:56.000 Well, we've covered those stories.

00:38:57.000 But they come out learning all the tricks of the trade, how to be criminals, and it's great universities of crime.

00:39:04.000 The controversial move is part of Scottish executive campaign against the rising tide of petty crime And any social behavior perpetrated by the under-16s. 0.99

00:39:14.000 Now, of course, they've taken guns all over the country, all over the United Kingdom, and the crime rate went from being the lowest next to Switzerland in the world, to being the most crime-ridden country in the industrialized world.

00:39:28.000 Official numbers!

00:39:30.000 The U.S.

00:39:31.000 is way down the line.

00:39:33.000 Much safer.

00:39:35.000 Now, what the media does is they'll go, England's much safer than America, and they'll focus into New York City, in the worst ward, and use that statistic to put it up against England, and say that England's safer.

00:39:48.000 That's not true, folks.

00:39:49.000 The FBI crime statistics just came out.

00:39:53.000 Most of our crime is in the big cities, and the eastern cities, and in the California cities, with almost total gun control.

00:40:01.000 You disarm the people.

00:40:02.000 I mean, here in Texas, folks, We don't have a lot of home invasion unless somebody's gone and doesn't have a dog.

00:40:12.000 I mean, crooks, I'll tell you, they don't come in your house in Texas.

00:40:15.000 I mean, in New York, they'll bust in with a knife or gun right in front of you because people don't have guns.

00:40:20.000 And they will give you a lot of time in prison if you hide a gun and defend yourself.

00:40:25.000 Even if you're being physically attacked in your own home. 0.98

00:40:29.000 But, I mean, I can't imagine what it would be like sleeping in my house Without firearms and bands of crackheads and heroin heads running around, busting down doors, raping and killing. 0.98

00:40:45.000 I mean, they don't do that in Texas. 0.98

00:40:47.000 Because they know what happens. 0.87

00:40:50.000 These crooks, by the way, are smart.

00:40:53.000 In my neighborhood, they've had a lot of cars getting broken into.

00:40:58.000 There has not been one car broken into that I know of.

00:41:01.000 I've talked to all the neighbors, and we've been robbed as well.

00:41:03.000 There has not been one person who's been robbed when the car is parked in the parking lot.

00:41:08.000 But you park it on the street, and that's what happened to us, they will come after you.

00:41:13.000 Do you know why?

00:41:14.000 Because they know, the Texans know, that we can't kill them if they're robbing our cars on the street. 1.00

00:41:22.000 But you come on my driveway, I can kill you. 1.00

00:41:26.000 And I will, by the way, if I ever. 1.00

00:41:28.000 I got cameras up.

00:41:30.000 And if I see somebody in my car, I'm going to go out and I'm going to... I don't know.

00:41:34.000 I don't want the trouble of killing them. 0.98

00:41:35.000 I'll probably just tell them to get on the ground. 1.00

00:41:36.000 If they try something with a weapon, I'll probably shoot them. 0.99

00:41:39.000 Just because I don't want the hassle, but... 0.99

00:41:42.000 Plus, I don't really know if somebody just robbing my car needs to die.

00:41:46.000 But, that is legal and lawful, and if you feel threatened in state law, go ahead and do it, and I'll back you.

00:41:53.000 But, I will tell you, you step foot in my house, or try to get in my house, or I catch you trying to break in my window or something, I will visually look at you and make sure it's not somebody I know, and I will defend my family.

00:42:09.000 I don't want to get off into meandering discussions.

00:42:11.000 I've got all this news here.

00:42:12.000 I know we've got callers.

00:42:13.000 The toll-free number to join us on air is 800-259-9231.

00:42:19.000 A 10-year-old tearaways to be tagged.

00:42:24.000 And under new UK laws and Scottish laws, cussing at someone.

00:42:31.000 Using profanity.

00:42:33.000 Can get you labeled as a hoodlum or hooligan as they call them over there.

00:42:40.000 And they call it hooliganism.

00:42:42.000 It says electronic tag has been available to courts in Scotland in the past year.

00:42:46.000 It has been restricted to adult offenders chiefly as an alternative to prison.

00:42:50.000 The tag sends a signal to the transmitter in the offender's home.

00:42:52.000 It is relayed to a central control.

00:42:55.000 Scottish executive is now proposing the children's hearing should have the right to order that under 16's be tagged to curb their offending behavior.

00:43:03.000 This would bring Scotland in line with England and Wales where 4,000 10 to 15 year olds have been tagged since 2001.

00:43:13.000 In Scotland, the tagging of a child would be considered in cases where the youngster had already broken an antisocial behavior order.

00:43:23.000 See, it's now antisocial behavior.

00:43:25.000 Yelling, cussing, fist fighting, Kids have been seen wrestling.

00:43:31.000 I mean, who didn't do that?

00:43:33.000 I mean, I was never a big potty mouth, but we certainly would go play baseball after school in a field in the neighborhood, and there were fistfights almost every couple weeks.

00:43:49.000 I wasn't always involved in them, but fistfights did take place.

00:43:52.000 Somebody hit a baseball.

00:43:54.000 We played baseball, and it would hit somebody in the head, and they'd say, you did that on purpose, and there'd be a fistfight.

00:43:59.000 That happens now.

00:44:00.000 You get tagged.

00:44:01.000 You go to jail.

00:44:02.000 You get into the system.

00:44:03.000 You get put on drugs.

00:44:05.000 I don't want to keep going on with this.

00:44:08.000 I mean, a kid, I talked about it yesterday, his dad is an officer in the army over in Iraq and he drew a picture of his dad with an M16 and he was detained, police came, they want to put the kid on drugs, he's been expelled, can't go back to school until he's on drugs because they say that he's hyper and he drew a picture of a gun and he may get people and this is the new America, folks.

00:44:37.000 Just incredible.

00:44:38.000 So, the stuff you and I did as kids, as children, is now punishable by tagging and jail, and this is happening here, too.

00:44:49.000 I mean, I remember when I was growing up, if, you know, we'd be getting in fist fights, and adults would, you know, stop a car, look at what we were doing, and, you know, if it wasn't too serious, they'd just drive off.

00:45:03.000 I mean, obviously, if you're adults bashing each other's I don't know though, growing up they wouldn't even call the police for stuff like that.

00:45:16.000 I don't know, but I know this, we didn't have all the school shootings and all the problems, because people would work it out in a fist fight.

00:45:24.000 And if the coaches in school caught you fighting, they'd say, okay, you've had your fight, but they'd stand there and let you fight.

00:45:31.000 They go, okay, now that you're done fighting, how about we go run until you puke your guts out?

00:45:37.000 I got in a few fights, not a lot of fights, and I remember getting walked out to the football stadium around the track, and the coach sitting there drinking lemonade, filling out, doing test scores, you know, the all-talk classes.

00:45:54.000 I remember running around the track for an hour, hour and a half, With the coach yelling faster every time we rounded the bend and scoring homework assignments.

00:46:06.000 And you didn't want to get in a fight again after you had... Oh, and then generally, they would catch you doing something small the next time and they'd take you in and give you four or five swats.

00:46:19.000 You'd have a big ol' bruise across your hind end. 0.75

00:46:23.000 And by the time I was a freshman in high school, I really wasn't into fighting anymore.

00:46:30.000 And no one really was.

00:46:33.000 But you can't do that.

00:46:34.000 That's cruel and unusual.

00:46:36.000 You gotta have kids hopped up on Prozac and Luvox and Ritalin.

00:46:36.000 Nope.

00:46:44.000 Harrison Kleibol were on Ritalin and Prozac.

00:46:47.000 And one of them was on, what was it, Paxil.

00:46:51.000 And, uh, so this is the new America.

00:46:55.000 Okay?

00:46:56.000 So, again, we'll talk about all this 800-259-9231 in the next segment.

00:47:05.000 And also, coming up, we've got the recall Governor Davis campaign.

00:47:10.000 They will be coming on the show.

00:47:12.000 It's gained steam and public officials are saying it may be illegal.

00:47:17.000 Recalls may not be allowed.

00:47:19.000 Now, there was a story last year in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, early 2002, where they had a recall going against a council member, and the city manager called for martial law in a public meeting.

00:47:33.000 And she said in the article, this was in a city council meeting, this is out in the open, this is how delusional they've gotten, she said, maybe we need martial law.

00:47:40.000 We've had discussions, she said, about martial law in the past, maybe it's time for that now.

00:47:46.000 Of course, the Feds got very upset and others got very upset.

00:47:48.000 You're not supposed to talk about that in the council room in front of the citizens.

00:47:59.000 But now they're saying that it's despicable, it may be illegal, that it's a threat to democracy.

00:48:07.000 Oh, a recall vote.

00:48:09.000 There's nothing more freedom-oriented.

00:48:12.000 There's nothing more American.

00:48:14.000 Nothing more part of our constitutional republic than recalling slime.

00:48:19.000 We'll talk about that when we get back.

00:48:21.000 You know, when you read about Milwaukee and they just go, hey, we've talked a lot about martial law.

00:48:26.000 Could it be time to declare it now?

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00:52:06.000 This situation with the recall of criminal Davis.

00:52:10.000 This is a guy who got caught with Enron and others.

00:52:14.000 Buying a megawatt of power for $137, that was on average, according to Sacramento Bee, and then selling it back to the energy giant for $1 a megawatt, over and over again, every day, in just tens of thousands of purchases of megawatts.

00:52:36.000 I mean, just blatantly criminal, and the head of the army, Mr. White, who now had to leave, he gave legislators a tour of fake computers, hooked up to fake trading systems, it wasn't even a real trading system, I mean, just total fraud, maximum financial corruption, just unbelievable, and of course nothing's happened.

00:52:58.000 It's admitted, it's totally criminal, it dwarfs what Martha Stewart may have done By about, in terms of money, a hundred million to one.

00:53:09.000 I mean, the scams that are being run in derivatives and in speculations with the currency is in the tens of trillions every day.

00:53:17.000 Multi-trillion is just here in the U.S.

00:53:19.000 And there'll be no discussion of that.

00:53:22.000 No nothing.

00:53:24.000 And just middle-sized scams like White and Enron and Davis over there, you know, in the hundreds of billions, it's no big deal.

00:53:32.000 Many hats may enter recall ring.

00:53:34.000 This is a story here out of the Sacramento Bee as well.

00:53:38.000 The State Attorney General calls efforts to recall Governor Gray Davis a profound threat to democracy.

00:53:45.000 And another government official in this article saying this may be illegal.

00:53:49.000 The Lieutenant Governor calls it an expensive perversion.

00:53:53.000 Oh yes, it's a perversion to recall criminals.

00:53:56.000 Of the recall process, the State Treasurer describes it as an odious use of the system One after another, at the urging of labor leaders who support the governor, five of Davis' fellow Democratic officeholders said last week they don't intend to run should a recall make the ballot.

00:54:13.000 On Saturday, U.S.

00:54:14.000 Senator Dianne Feinstein added her name to the list.

00:54:16.000 I am not a candidate, said Feinstein, who appeared with Davis at ceremonies to open a BART extension to San Francisco's International Airport.

00:54:25.000 So if Davis faces recall, who would be alternatives B?

00:54:29.000 The possibilities include some of the usual suspects including the man who lost to Davis last time.

00:54:35.000 The list of potential governors also includes the Terminator.

00:54:38.000 And Meathead and not everyone at the Capitol is convinced the Democrats who bowed out last week would resist the temptation to run.

00:54:47.000 Recall Drive has yet to collect hundreds of thousands of signatures of voter support needed to qualify for what would be a history-making election this fall or next spring.

00:54:57.000 Funny, I talked to them last week.

00:54:58.000 They said they've basically got it.

00:55:00.000 But they've got to get a bunch of extras because the state's going to throw most of it out.

00:55:03.000 Probably all of it out.

00:55:05.000 When they had propositions to control their borders and not give all this welfare to felons, illegal aliens, the governor just said, I don't care what you say, we're not following it, ha ha ha. 0.99

00:55:15.000 Still there is now a swarm of public figures with gubernatorial ambitions who are hurriedly polling and strategizing.

00:55:23.000 And we'll take some calls and I'll get more into this article as well in the next hour.

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00:56:40.000 Big Brother. Mainstream Media. Government Cover-Ups.

00:56:52.000 You want answers?

00:56:53.000 Well, so does he.

00:56:54.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:56:59.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:57:04.000 I'm uh, sitting here...

00:57:12.000 [Music]

00:57:13.000 Reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's bio for a possible run for Governor of California, and they like him over there.

00:57:20.000 He's for gun control.

00:57:21.000 He's a good Bush Republican.

00:57:24.000 He's for massive gun control.

00:57:26.000 So I'm sure that you will all enjoy that.

00:57:32.000 And he also, of course, is pro-abortion.

00:57:35.000 So he's a good neocon.

00:57:38.000 So it won't matter if you get rid of Davis, you'll just have some creature like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

00:57:43.000 He fits in nicely, though.

00:57:44.000 His father was a Gestapo officer in Austria, helped with the roundups and political dissidents.

00:57:49.000 And Arnold has said he'd like to be a police officer.

00:57:52.000 He said he'd like to run a large law enforcement agency.

00:57:57.000 He said, if I don't become president someday, I'd like to... I saw this in an Esquire article years ago.

00:58:02.000 He said he'd like to run a national police force.

00:58:04.000 Oh! 0.60

00:58:06.000 It's in the blood, isn't it, Arnie?

00:58:08.000 Gun-grabbing, abortion, neoconservatism.

00:58:12.000 And so it doesn't matter what slimeball you get, really, in this runoff.

00:58:16.000 I guess we might be able to get some type of conservative in there, but don't hold your breath.

00:58:21.000 So that's coming up.

00:58:22.000 I said that we would take polls in this hour, and we are going to do that right now.

00:58:29.000 And I guess, first off here, Mark, who should I go to first here today?

00:58:38.000 Larry in Ohio, then Sam Maryland and Richard in Colorado and others.

00:58:43.000 You're on the air.

00:58:44.000 Go ahead, sir.

00:58:46.000 Hi, Alex.

00:58:46.000 How are you doing today?

00:58:47.000 Fantastic.

00:58:48.000 Hey, doesn't Arnold attend Bohemian Grove?

00:58:51.000 Yes, he's been there.

00:58:52.000 I thought I wanted to talk about a couple of things.

00:58:55.000 First, I want to say about people calling in and suggesting that you do things.

00:58:59.000 I can't believe how much you do, Alex, and the videotape, 9-1-1, The Road to Tyranny.

00:59:05.000 I've handed out at least a couple hundred copies of that.

00:59:09.000 Good job!

00:59:10.000 I tell you what, that tape speaks to everybody. 0.95

00:59:14.000 Someone who watches that who's a Christian, they come right back and say, I can't believe they say Christians are terrorists.

00:59:21.000 And I said, does it sound like the book Revelations?

00:59:24.000 You talk to someone who watches the news, and all of a sudden, You know, I heard this, I heard that part, I heard that, and all of a sudden the thoughts are connected.

00:59:31.000 Yeah, so what happens is, the reason The Road to Tyranny is so powerful is they've already heard everything that's in it, they just never saw it all together.

00:59:40.000 And that's why the film, in fact you just hit on something that I never seem to articulate but I've thought of many times, a much more cogent, intelligent, insightful, Revelations when I'm not on the air, but what you just said is something I've thought many times.

00:59:53.000 The film, that film is so powerful, because it's their words, it's their statements, it's stuff that everybody has already seen or heard, because we put it all together.

01:00:03.000 And it's not Alex's opinion, it's what they say, it's the news, it's what's out there in your face, and it is so heavily documented.

01:00:11.000 I've gone in and I've looked at, when I first heard this, I mean, actually I was stationed down at Berkshire Mariforce Base, I was in the 12th Tactical Intelligence Squadron, You're familiar with that.

01:00:21.000 Well, now Bergstrom is the airport, but my cousin's there merging the Army with the police right now.

01:00:29.000 Yeah.

01:00:30.000 I tell you what, I was in Air Force Intelligence on 9-1-1.

01:00:35.000 I'm watching the TV and I'm thinking, this is absolutely impossible.

01:00:39.000 There's absolutely no way this could happen without them letting it happen or being part of it.

01:00:43.000 That's when I went on a search and that's when I found you.

01:00:45.000 And I tell you what, I like to tell it just like it is.

01:00:50.000 There's absolutely no way that that could happen.

01:00:51.000 I mean, when you showed the one, the golfer on the airplane, and they were up behind him in what I believe was seven minutes, but yet we have one of the big jumbo jet airliners flying around for an hour.

01:01:03.000 They had jets scrambled in seven.

01:01:04.000 They had three planes surrounding him in 18.

01:01:09.000 When you're where I was at, there's absolutely no way that you could believe that that could happen.

01:01:14.000 You can see it.

01:01:14.000 Stay there.

01:01:15.000 I want you to talk more about working in Air Force Intelligence and Uh, how you instinctively knew the 9-1-1 story was a fraud and you saw all the evidence.

01:01:23.000 Will you stay there?

01:01:25.000 Don't hang up, okay?

01:01:26.000 I'll put you on hold.

01:01:26.000 I won't.

01:01:27.000 We'll come back and let you finish up and we'll go to Sam and Richard and others.

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01:04:51.000 Paul, I was talking to a fella in Ohio, and you were saying that you were an Air Force intelligence.

01:05:06.000 During 9-1-1 or that you had been in an Air Force Intelligence so understood how these operations worked and going over the information with NORAD and that you instinctively knew something was wrong.

01:05:20.000 What went through your mind on September 11th and then researching the information and finding out for yourself what's it been like for you?

01:05:29.000 It was just a real wake-up call.

01:05:35.000 Radar systems that they have all around this country, they know everything that's in the air.

01:05:39.000 When something's coming in from out of the country, they have lines, certain sized objects, once they cross a certain line, they have to scramble planes.

01:05:49.000 Once they lose contact with a plane, any plane up in the air, they have to scramble.

01:05:54.000 The procedures are all there.

01:05:57.000 There's just absolutely no way that a jumbo jet could, they could turn off their transponders, And not be followed within 10 minutes.

01:06:07.000 There are, they have people, the Air Force pilots, are sitting there in their suits, the planes running, just waiting for something like this to happen all over the country.

01:06:17.000 And again, with the golfer Payne Stewart, they launched planes within 7-8 minutes, had the aircraft surrounded by three planes within 18 minutes.

01:06:26.000 They followed it for about an hour until it crashed in the Midwest.

01:06:30.000 And that had happened because of depressurization.

01:06:33.000 Uh, in the aircraft.

01:06:34.000 So we know about these cases.

01:06:36.000 We know this stuff happens.

01:06:37.000 We know this develops.

01:06:39.000 And we've seen many other cases.

01:06:40.000 But they have four planes, all by the way, at exactly 20% occupancy.

01:06:45.000 There was a malfunction in both the airline's computers, so they only allowed booking of 20%, they claim.

01:06:50.000 And the transponders all turned off.

01:06:52.000 As the transponder turns off, they have to scramble the jets.

01:06:56.000 But not that day.

01:06:57.000 It's now come out in the White House.

01:06:59.000 was on the line right at the time the transponders turned off with NORAD, with the Pentagon,

01:07:04.000 with the FAA, they declared national security with all those tapes,

01:07:08.000 and you do all the math from the time the transponders were turned off to the time the

01:07:14.000 first plane hit was over 58 minutes. Then you add the second plane, it's over an hour,

01:07:21.000 then the third, the fourth, but we're supposed to just buy all this, aren't we?

01:07:25.000 It's a joke.

01:07:27.000 So why did you say day one when you saw this happen?

01:07:29.000 When the second plane hit, my skin was crawling.

01:07:35.000 I mean, I knew that there's absolutely no way someone else could have pulled this off.

01:07:40.000 There's no way.

01:07:43.000 A big national newspaper, one of the big papers in Portugal, the news in Portugal covered a bizarre, they said 70 plus hour Press conference with hundreds of military men, generals, troops from our country, captains, generals, retired, naval aviators, air force aviators, saying no one could pull this off but the U.S.

01:08:09.000 government.

01:08:11.000 And they went over all the evidence for 70 plus hours with the Portuguese and Spanish and French media there, and nothing in our news about it.

01:08:20.000 Yeah, I just went over the evidence for hour after hour after hour after hour with witness after witness after witness, so you're not the only one understanding this.

01:08:31.000 You know, and the thing is, that's one aspect of 9-1-1 or the tyranny, but if you watch it, after you're done watching that movie, it's decision time.

01:08:40.000 I mean, there's just no two ways about it.

01:08:42.000 You're either going to go into fantasy land, pull the cover over your eyes, or else you're going to be a man and stand up.

01:08:48.000 I mean, there's just no two ways about it.

01:08:50.000 Well, I have to tell you that we spend more time on the planes and the NORAD stand-down.

01:08:56.000 Ian Masters of Terror, Part 2 of the Road to Tyranny, but people made whole films.

01:09:04.000 One was made for Canadian television, we've had the guest on, just about the NORAD stand-down, and that right there.

01:09:10.000 Then you have the hijackers trained at U.S.

01:09:12.000 bases.

01:09:13.000 You have their houses and cars and credit cards paid for by the government.

01:09:17.000 You have their passports fluttering down from the sky, unburned, at two of the crash sites in Pennsylvania and New York.

01:09:24.000 You have the head of Pakistani intelligence wiring $100,000 at Muhammad Ata, his second trip in his life to the U.S.

01:09:32.000 Two days before 9-1-1, he's meeting with the White House and the heads of the Senate.

01:09:37.000 uh... intelligence committees I mean it's incredible and you got Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco told not to fly, Ashcold told not to fly Joint Chiefs of Staff told not to fly and then they admit all this and then shut up later because that shows it's a level even above these guys.

01:09:52.000 Yeah and the thing is that's just the start of it when you look into Oklahoma City bombing and when you see the videotapes of the news broadcast of them removing bombs from the building And the seismographs and the eyewitnesses and no BATF in the building.

01:10:06.000 Yeah, but Timothy McVeigh could not have put those bombs in that building.

01:10:09.000 It's absurd.

01:10:10.000 Well, Jane Graham was an eyewitness.

01:10:12.000 She was the head of HUD.

01:10:13.000 She saw two white men planting large gray sticks of butter on support columns that morning at 8 o'clock in the morning.

01:10:21.000 You watch that movie, you can't deny it.

01:10:23.000 I mean, it's wake-up time.

01:10:24.000 It's time to stand up.

01:10:26.000 What do you want to say to the globalists then, sir?

01:10:31.000 It's like people want to say the government's corrupt.

01:10:36.000 A lot of people just can't seem to accept the fact that there's a global tyranny.

01:10:44.000 I try to explain the new world order, the U.N., and all these groups.

01:10:49.000 And they can't even accept reality as it's in their face.

01:10:51.000 Did you hear me Friday read where UNESCO that Bush has signed on to at the U.N.

01:10:56.000 says, quote, the family is the enemy, must be destroyed?

01:11:00.000 This is public!

01:11:00.000 Yes.

01:11:03.000 Their own policies!

01:11:05.000 Then people go, oh, they don't want to dumb our kids down.

01:11:08.000 And people are concerned with their stock portfolio.

01:11:12.000 It's incredible.

01:11:13.000 Thanks for the call.

01:11:14.000 Alex?

01:11:15.000 Sure.

01:11:16.000 What else is on your mind?

01:11:18.000 FID tags.

01:11:20.000 Oh, the FRIDs?

01:11:21.000 Yeah.

01:11:23.000 I work with a large automotive supplier, and to give you an idea of the level, they're going to put these in every part.

01:11:29.000 Right now, the whole plant where I've been working, they're wired for all of the terminals to go throughout the plant.

01:11:35.000 They're putting them on pallets at this level.

01:11:38.000 The next phase is, well, the end phase is, they're going to put them on every part that comes in so that when the part's actually tested, it's verified that all the information from that ID tag is sent to a large database up in Toronto, Canada.

01:11:52.000 Then what happens is, once it arrives at the next plant, they scan the entire pallet, the whole thing at one time.

01:11:58.000 They verify that all those parts have been tested and all those parts are going through all the procedures, and then We assembled parts using those and it's all, you know, complete confirmation everything's been tested.

01:12:11.000 It goes all the way to where when something arises, they scan it and they say that that part was tested and then they know that they can put it on the car.

01:12:23.000 Eventually, if you have a knock on your car, that part will then void your warranty as you're driving and they're claiming that this is going to stop all the chop shops, They're going to have complete control over your car.

01:12:37.000 Well, they already have transponders in your car that are red as you go down the road.

01:12:41.000 They already have the antenna arrays.

01:12:43.000 The satellite tracking box hardware is already in all the new cars.

01:12:47.000 This is all announced.

01:12:48.000 They're racing ahead.

01:12:50.000 Total surveillance, total control, total taxation.

01:12:54.000 And people will still deny it as it's in the newspaper until they're being daxed in their car.

01:12:58.000 And then they'll say, oh, I'll just accept it.

01:13:00.000 I love Globalist.

01:13:02.000 Thanks for the call, sir.

01:13:03.000 Appreciate it.

01:13:03.000 You're welcome.

01:13:04.000 Sam and Marilyn, thanks for holding them.

01:13:06.000 We'll go to Richard and others.

01:13:07.000 Sam, you're on the air.

01:13:09.000 I don't have anything earth-shattering, but occasionally you talk about the way the globalists do their mind-bending.

01:13:18.000 I was surfing frequencies last night and came across a frequency that I hadn't heard before.

01:13:24.000 And I kept listening off and on.

01:13:26.000 I'd go back to it to try to catch the Yeah, please don't give it out here.

01:13:34.000 No, I'm not.

01:13:39.000 They were running a program that seemed to be criticizing Bush over the Iraq War, so that kind of made it interesting, but I didn't really listen to enough of it to get the whole gist.

01:13:49.000 So they gave out an 800 number that I called later, and they kept referring to themselves as Alternative Radio.

01:13:58.000 Right?

01:13:59.000 That's what we normally refer to shortwave as, is alternative radio, but we understand that to mean there are programs like yours and others of the same nature.

01:14:11.000 So I called the 800 number out of curiosity to see if I could get a program schedule.

01:14:17.000 It's Radio for Peace International out of Costa Rica.

01:14:21.000 The UN station.

01:14:23.000 Yeah, who by the way, the evidence shows, and one of their heads has attacked me personally, and it looks like they're the ones that have done some jamming before.

01:14:32.000 Probably, but my point is that they're now using the term alternative radio, and that's going to fake some people, you know, briefly, but not long.

01:14:42.000 But they're trying to insert a new meaning for the term alternative radio.

01:14:47.000 Well, I'll tell you how it works.

01:14:48.000 See, they control both sides of the paradigm.

01:14:51.000 The phony right-wing can point at the liberals and go, see, they're wrong, they're against the war, they're pro-UN, pro-New World Order, and then they'll say, we're conservative, we're for the New World Order, it's just different flavors of the same thing, but then the key liberals, the Hillarys, the Chuckie Schumers, they vote for the war.

01:15:08.000 See, so it's only a rhetorical fight, whereas the war is wrong, they don't criticize the war for the right reasons, they don't reach out to the To the real Americans, black, white, it doesn't matter, who understand the real paradigm, they just reach out to the dumbed-down masses. 0.81

01:15:29.000 But let me give you a really good example of mind control.

01:15:33.000 I went and saw a late-night edition of The Hulk last night.

01:15:37.000 And the bad guy in the movie, he is anti-world government.

01:15:43.000 He's anti-corrupt government.

01:15:46.000 Sounds like you've got a siren in the background.

01:15:48.000 Thanks for the call, Sam.

01:15:49.000 I appreciate it, and thanks for that information.

01:15:52.000 They go in, and at the end of the movie, the bad guys against big government.

01:16:00.000 See, it's always that message.

01:16:02.000 The bad guys against big government.

01:16:04.000 And you watch the daytime talk shows.

01:16:08.000 The Jerry Springers. 0.92

01:16:09.000 They'll have some toothless Klan guy up there calling black people all these horrible names, then he'll add to it, by the way, it's a New World Order. 0.95

01:16:17.000 New World Order. 0.90

01:16:18.000 And he'll speak out against the New World Order and taxes and regulation in the UN.

01:16:24.000 So now, when... I mean, they would never have me on one of those shows, because I bring people together to defeat the New World Order, to expose the threat.

01:16:31.000 But no, they'll have some unsavory person out there saying similar things.

01:16:35.000 It's just pure demonization.

01:16:37.000 And most of those Klan guys that are on TV, we later found out, are federal agents.

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01:20:56.000 Then I have Ray McGovern.

01:20:59.000 He's a retired and former senior CIA analyst who was assigned to Ronald Reagan's White House, one of his chief advisors.

01:21:05.000 Tell you how fake the war was, all the lies, the corruption.

01:21:08.000 One of the good guys that's gone public with the information and everything he's said now has come out in the mainstream news from when we had him on before the war and during the war.

01:21:17.000 Let's go ahead and go to Richard in Colorado.

01:21:19.000 Richard, you're on the air.

01:21:20.000 We'll go to Garfield, Brian, and others.

01:21:23.000 Hi Alex.

01:21:24.000 Pleasure to talk with you again.

01:21:26.000 I just wanted to let you know, I don't know if you heard or not, but there's a place in Iowa, some Federal Land Army Corps of Engineers, they want to donate, or I should say sell.

01:21:38.000 A Muslim Center.

01:21:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:21:40.000 Have you heard about that?

01:21:43.000 Well, I've seen the reports and You notice that it's okay for the government to give it to the Harry Potter Wiccans or the Muslims or anybody but Christians? 0.93

01:21:54.000 Exactly.

01:21:55.000 Exactly.

01:21:56.000 Well, I mean, you know, that's nothing compared to creating Al-Qaeda and the Taliban and then training them at U.S. 0.91

01:22:02.000 military bases and paying for their houses, their cars, and credit cards before 9-1-1 and blocking FBI from arresting them, but yeah, it's pretty bad.

01:22:11.000 They're getting bold.

01:22:12.000 They're getting real bold.

01:22:13.000 It's going to be, I've heard it described in some articles as a training camp.

01:22:18.000 But then I get all these different stories.

01:22:19.000 What have you heard on this?

01:22:22.000 That's basically about it.

01:22:24.000 As a matter of fact, on the other program I heard it on, the host of the show, he's going to go to Iowa City, Iowa, and have a town hall meeting.

01:22:33.000 Yeah, I know who that is.

01:22:34.000 That guy's a neocon.

01:22:36.000 Oh, is he?

01:22:37.000 Yeah, in a way it's kind of a... Yeah, that's the same person I hear saying that, still reporting that the mobile weapons labs are over there and are going to get us in Iraq.

01:22:46.000 See, the neocons will take some issue that has some importance, but is dwarfed by all these other issues.

01:22:53.000 I heard that same host on Monday saying Harry Potter's good, and it's not the occult, and it's not a problem.

01:22:59.000 Oh yeah, they just released it on the summer solstice, folks.

01:23:02.000 I mean, come on, if you can't see that, you're blind.

01:23:07.000 Now, that's a neocon.

01:23:08.000 He says a lot of the right things, but then a bunch of the other stuff is propaganda.

01:23:13.000 Well, my question about that is, do you think he's trying to be right in his heart, just misled, or do you think he knows what he's doing?

01:23:23.000 Oh, that individual definitely knows what he's doing.

01:23:25.000 Okay.

01:23:26.000 They all do.

01:23:26.000 At that level, believe me.

01:23:29.000 I had one of the big syndicators come to me, like four years ago, and offer me a million bucks, okay?

01:23:35.000 Like $350-something thousand to sign the contract.

01:23:38.000 If I got ratings on four of the 15 stations, which I was guaranteed to get, that was already there at the stations, then I would get $700,000 additional.

01:23:45.000 It was over a million in the first year.

01:23:51.000 And I had lawyers look at the contract.

01:23:52.000 It was the real deal.

01:23:53.000 And they told me, no more New World Order.

01:23:55.000 I want you to be a fiery conservative.

01:23:59.000 And no more Federal Reserve.

01:24:01.000 No more black helicopters.

01:24:03.000 Oh, interesting.

01:24:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:04.000 I mean, don't think somebody's on 300 radio stations and not controlled.

01:24:09.000 Okay, so they just buy these people off.

01:24:11.000 These people sell out their soul and their country for all the money they can get. 0.69

01:24:15.000 Yeah, and then they'll talk about, don't take the Ten Commandments down, or gun control's dumb, but then they won't go after Bush for being the biggest gun grabber of them all, see? 0.91

01:24:25.000 Right.

01:24:26.000 Or they'll say, put anybody that disagrees with the government in a prison camp.

01:24:31.000 Well, yeah, that was kind of my next thing I wanted to hit on.

01:24:35.000 I ordered some videos of yours and the book, and I've been letting friends know about tuning into your show and what it's all about.

01:24:45.000 They look at me like I'm crazy and then one of my neighbors told me, he says, yeah I listened to that Alex Jones guy and I called the FBI and I said, what do you mean you called the FBI?

01:24:57.000 What did you call the FBI for? 0.94

01:24:59.000 So the guy's a nutcase. 0.96

01:25:00.000 He needs to be taken off the air. 0.92

01:25:02.000 Oh, it's okay for your First Amendment rights to say whatever you want, but it's not okay for Alex Jones.

01:25:07.000 But see, that shows the mindset.

01:25:09.000 We're talking about the tyranny.

01:25:10.000 We're saying it's a police state. 1.00

01:25:12.000 The guy goes, he's crazy.

01:25:13.000 I'm going to call the FBI, proving our point that he thought something would actually happen to me.

01:25:19.000 Maybe if his type takes over, which they're trying, you know, we read the subsections.

01:25:24.000 We cover the facts.

01:25:26.000 We talk about Houston with a corrupt crime lab.

01:25:29.000 We talk about the FBI running drugs.

01:25:31.000 They've been caught doing it.

01:25:32.000 We talk about real issues here, but oh, that's crazy, I'm gonna call the FBI.

01:25:38.000 What did you say to this nutcase when he said that? 0.52

01:25:40.000 Basically, about the First Amendment, I said, oh, it's okay for you to practice your First Amendment right, but you want to shut up Alex Jones.

01:25:47.000 What did he say to that?

01:25:49.000 What did he say to that?

01:25:50.000 Oh, it's the typical BS, you know, well, if you don't like living in this country, you know, why don't you go move somewhere else?

01:25:57.000 So protesting and demonstrating and being informed is bad and I should be, did he say I should be arrested or what did he say?

01:26:04.000 Well, you know, I'm sure he would be all for that if he's going to, you know, he told me he called the FBI, so what did he call the FBI for?

01:26:11.000 What did he say the FBI said?

01:26:12.000 Well, it was on a weekend, he said he tried to call the FBI.

01:26:16.000 Oh, there's a radio talk show host.

01:26:19.000 He talks bad about you.

01:26:21.000 Arrest him!

01:26:22.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:26:24.000 Useful idiot. 1.00

01:26:25.000 Well, I tell you what, stay there. 1.00

01:26:27.000 We got a guest coming up and I want to hold you on.

01:26:28.000 Go ahead and get the guest on, but I want the guest to hear what you have to say.

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01:27:02.000 From Northern California to Southern Florida, to Rochester, New York, to Austin, Texas,

01:27:22.000 Colorado.

01:27:23.000 I'm Alex Jones.

01:27:24.000 Thank you for joining us today.

01:27:26.000 Blasting out on the AM and FM dial.

01:27:28.000 Simulcasting on the internet at infowars.com and prisonplanet.com.

01:27:33.000 And on Global Shortwave, serving the international audience at 12.172 and 9320 from 11 to 2 Central Time during the day and 5.085 and 6890 from 9 to midnight Central Standard Time.

01:27:47.000 I know that we have a bunch of callers holding.

01:27:50.000 We will get to you.

01:27:52.000 Here in just a few minutes.

01:27:53.000 Right now we are joined by 27-year veteran analyst working at the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:27:59.000 He worked at the most senior levels of intelligence and policy in Washington.

01:28:03.000 He conducted daily briefings of the Vice President and the Secretary of State and Defense.

01:28:09.000 He is part of an organization called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

01:28:15.000 He now works in the inner city of Washington for a non-profit that reaches out to help the poor.

01:28:21.000 And Ray McGovern gave us great information on air about how it was really the Iranians that nerve-gassed the people. 1.00

01:28:28.000 In the key cases they talk about, not Saddam.

01:28:31.000 He talked about how there really wasn't weapons of mass destruction because they'd all been destroyed in the first Cold War.

01:28:35.000 Most of them had been.

01:28:36.000 He talked about fake intelligence, which has now all been proven, with the Vice President at the CIA basically ordering him to lie, ordering him to put out fake terror alerts.

01:28:45.000 That's been on ABC News.

01:28:47.000 We have all this on InfoWars.com.

01:28:50.000 But Ray, I wanted to bring you up, but I have a caller, and I get this now, I hear this about once a week, in Colorado, one of our listeners there, and he told his neighbor to listen, his neighbor tuned in and heard the show and called the FBI on me.

01:29:06.000 Of course, nothing ever happened, but there have been confirmed cases of this in a couple newspapers.

01:29:10.000 Where people think that criticizing corruption in the executive branch is illegal, there's a national talk show host who has a show on MSNBC on the weekend who calls for anyone disagreeing with the government, he's Michael Savage, being put in a quote, work camp, having their assets taken.

01:29:26.000 The Deputy Attorney General in California said protesting may be illegal two weeks ago in a quote on television, and it was then quoted in the Oakland Tribune.

01:29:40.000 He said that protesting the war helps terrorists.

01:29:42.000 It may be illegal.

01:29:44.000 So across the board, we see him setting up a Soviet-slash-Nazi system. 0.78

01:29:50.000 We hear about arrest of citizens now for political reasons, Patriot Act II.

01:29:55.000 What do you make, and I want to bring Richard back up here, Mr. McGovern, but what do you make of this mindset?

01:30:03.000 Does this concern you?

01:30:05.000 Well, it's of great concern, Alex.

01:30:08.000 I was born in August of 1939, and that was a key month in the history of Germany.

01:30:18.000 I know a lot about it because I've looked into what happened in that month, and that was of course the month before the invasion of Poland and the start of World War II.

01:30:28.000 What happened then was the most highly educated populace of Europe, of the world at that time, was drummed into submission by fear and by fear of speaking out, by fear of saying, it's wrong what you've just done to my Jewish neighbor.

01:30:49.000 And if we inculcate that kind of mindset into our citizenry, and we've lost it all.

01:30:55.000 So this is even more incentive for folks like you and me and for others to speak out, speak out now, and speak out strongly.

01:31:04.000 Because that'll back them off.

01:31:05.000 We can't be cowed by this.

01:31:06.000 Just briefly, and then we'll get into how you were right, everything you said.

01:31:10.000 In fact, it turned out being worse than what you said with the Gulf War, too.

01:31:14.000 I want to bring just briefly Richard in Colorado back up.

01:31:18.000 Tell Ray McGovern what your neighbors said after he tuned into the show, Richard.

01:31:24.000 I mentioned to him about Alex Jones and he ought to, you know, listen to him.

01:31:29.000 And I thought, you know, then we'll kick it around and talk about it.

01:31:33.000 And next time I saw him, he said, yeah, I tuned into that show and I called the FBI. 0.97

01:31:38.000 The guy's a nutcase. 0.74

01:31:40.000 Are you referring to me? 0.99

01:31:42.000 No, I'm referring to Alex.

01:31:44.000 I'm just talking about this mindset right now.

01:31:46.000 Okay.

01:31:47.000 And he said he called the FBI and I said, well, what'd you call the FBI for?

01:31:50.000 Since the guy needs to be taken off the air.

01:31:52.000 And I said, oh, it's okay for you to practice your First Amendment right, but it's not okay for a guy like Alex Jones.

01:31:58.000 But I'm crazy because I say they're setting up a police state, and then he goes and proves my point.

01:32:04.000 Yeah, I wish that were funny, you know?

01:32:06.000 Yeah, it's incredible. 1.00

01:32:08.000 And I call people like that useful idiots. 1.00

01:32:10.000 Richard, I want you to follow up on that. 1.00

01:32:13.000 I want to invite that guy on the air because they'll never call this show.

01:32:17.000 I get their emails. 0.99

01:32:18.000 They say, you know, I want to kill you. 1.00

01:32:20.000 I hope they arrest you and put you in a camp. 1.00

01:32:24.000 I mean, this is what America's about.

01:32:25.000 Our veterans fought and died so we could live in the equivalent of Soviet Russia. 0.77

01:32:30.000 Thanks for the call, Richard.

01:32:32.000 Ray, I just wanted to illustrate that because I hear this national talk show host here locally in Austin say every day, I tune in probably ten times, I've heard it five times, anyone that disagrees with the government should be arrested and put in a camp.

01:32:44.000 Are you aware of what Michael Savage is saying?

01:32:46.000 No, I'm afraid I'm allergic to listening to those things, Alex.

01:32:52.000 I'm not aware of it, but I'm not surprised.

01:32:54.000 Did you see the Reuters story about how they're going to build an execution chamber at Camp X-Ray?

01:32:59.000 I did see that, yeah.

01:33:01.000 Boy, talk about, you know, it's really very frightening when you look at the tactics that the U.S.

01:33:08.000 military and the U.S.

01:33:09.000 government has chosen and how we've ended up here with uh...

01:33:15.000 uh... the necessity or the perceived necessity to to turn our weapons on little boys throwing rocks at us in

01:33:23.000 iraq it's very reminiscent of course uh... what the the

01:33:26.000 situation of the israelis face in the west bank and the other occupied territories in

01:33:30.000 the middle east so we've backed ourselves into the kind of situation where

01:33:35.000 we're occupiers and where we

01:33:36.000 resort to things that used to be only done by israel like preemptive strikes

01:33:42.000 and uh... targeted assassinations and and perhaps even uh... some questionable tactics on

01:33:48.000 interrogating folks Oh, they've said torture.

01:33:53.000 Yeah, so I'm careful not to say anything declaratively unless I can prove it.

01:33:58.000 There is a lot of press on this.

01:34:01.000 Dana Priest in the Washington Post did a very big article just before Christmas.

01:34:05.000 So these things are very disquieting and again... He talked to the CIA section chief in the Middle East and he told him, it said off the record, that the real people they torture, they don't fly to Camp X-Ray, they fly them to to uh... egypt and uh... to some of the other allies over

01:34:21.000 their quote where they can torture them and threaten their families and i have fox

01:34:26.000 on on on tape with with government officials and others

01:34:29.000 uh... on fox news saying uh... you know we should torture their kids to so that this

01:34:35.000 is in the open yeah

01:34:37.000 that's pretty pretty blatant and pretty bad uh...

01:34:41.000 i uh...

01:34:42.000 just don't know where it will end This business about the weapons of mass destruction, of course, is the most interesting.

01:34:48.000 Yeah, now they say it's Syria and Iran.

01:34:51.000 And I actually saw PBS, their news hour, last Thursday.

01:34:54.000 They said, well, so what if Bush didn't find them in this country?

01:34:57.000 He has more credibility on Iran.

01:34:59.000 But let's go back and recap and pick your expertise on this.

01:35:03.000 Ray McGovern, 27 years, senior analyst, of course, advisor to Ronald Reagan and others.

01:35:11.000 You documented on this show that it was a bunch of made-up intel and fraud from people in and out of intelligence, and of course you worked and did intelligence on Iraq when you were advising the White House in the 80s, but what about these blimp-filling trucks that the British sold The Iraqis and the Russians did too.

01:35:32.000 It turns out our government has actually bought a bunch of these trucks from the British.

01:35:35.000 They're for pumping up hydrogen balloons.

01:35:37.000 Here it's helium.

01:35:40.000 But the average American, I still hear him on the news talking about the bio-weapons trucks.

01:35:44.000 Any comments?

01:35:45.000 Yeah.

01:35:46.000 Well, the comment, Alex, is that this is an incredibly clever, some might say diabolically clever, PR-oriented regime here.

01:35:58.000 The initial reports come out as you describe them, and people are most impressed by what they hear first.

01:36:06.000 If there's a disclaimer later, and, well, those weren't really trucks for biological warfare, they were something else, they conveniently kind of blot that from their consciousness.

01:36:15.000 And so the American people are incredibly misled on this whole nexus of events.

01:36:21.000 You know, this business where the President was told about these two trailers and he's in Poland and he says, well, there you go, there's weapons of mass destruction.

01:36:30.000 That was so strange that I call that the President's Polish joke.

01:36:38.000 It's really beyond belief that he would say, well, there you go, these two trailers, weapons of mass destruction.

01:36:44.000 Well, we've got the memo out of the African country.

01:36:46.000 Turns out the thing was manufactured out of whole cloth.

01:36:49.000 It was just a fake document of supposed transfers of nuclear materials to Saddam.

01:36:54.000 Then you have the dossier that Powell holds up as evidence at the UN.

01:36:59.000 Turns out it's totally fabricated.

01:37:03.000 A graduate student wrote it twelve years ago.

01:37:05.000 I mean, this stuff is just massive!

01:37:09.000 They claim a bakery in northern Iraq, a bio-weapons lab, the BBC goes there, it's a bakery?

01:37:14.000 I mean... Yeah.

01:37:15.000 Alex, the forgery is the most interesting and the most unequivocal demonstration of what's going on here.

01:37:22.000 People can quibble, you know, they can say that people have different interpretations of this or that piece of evidence, but a forgery is a forgery, and the U.S.

01:37:31.000 government has admitted That a forgery was used to persuade our elected representatives to vote to authorize the president to launch an unprovoked war.

01:37:42.000 That's the bottom line for me.

01:37:44.000 I'll say it again.

01:37:45.000 A forgery that senior officials in our government knew to be a forgery was used to persuade congressmen and senators to vote for war.

01:37:55.000 That's really serious stuff.

01:37:57.000 Probably some of your listeners don't know what the forgery had to do.

01:38:01.000 It's very simple.

01:38:04.000 There were some documents that purported to say that Iraq was trying to get uranium from the African country of Niger.

01:38:12.000 Now, the only reason they wanted uranium would be for a nuclear program.

01:38:16.000 Well, Vice President Cheney's office sent down a retired U.S.

01:38:23.000 diplomat I'm an ambassador to investigate this in February of last year.

01:38:29.000 It's February 2002.

01:38:31.000 He came back at the end of February and said, he was holding his nose, he said, boy, that evidence really stinks.

01:38:37.000 He says it's a forgery, pure and simple.

01:38:39.000 Don't touch it.

01:38:41.000 He reported that to various and sundry and it sort of seemed to die a natural death until, until the end of the summer when the decision had been made to make war.

01:38:54.000 To make war, it's nice to have a Congressional resolution that lets you do that. 0.99

01:38:59.000 So they had to persuade Congress.

01:39:01.000 The only thing they had, the only thing they had, was this forgery.

01:39:05.000 And so they decided to use it.

01:39:07.000 Now, uh, that's criminal, because they're going before Congress, bringing known, fake documents.

01:39:15.000 People have gone to prison for that.

01:39:16.000 I think that's criminal.

01:39:17.000 Yeah, when you think of what other people have been impeached for, Like sexual dalliances in the White House and almost impeached for a third-rate burglary.

01:39:29.000 How does this stand up against it?

01:39:30.000 How does it stand up when the President and his senior advisors... Well, sir, we have another forgery in the LA Times.

01:39:39.000 The London Guardian have reported it's admitted.

01:39:42.000 I'm sure you know more about Jane's Weapons Encyclopedias than I do, but I actually take some of their general books.

01:39:49.000 I don't have the entire, on disk, every weapon in the world, or weapon component system.

01:39:55.000 I don't have the thing that costs $10,000.

01:39:59.000 But our troops do, and they admit that all colonel and above officers have that, that they've been briefed that they knew what those trucks were.

01:40:07.000 Within hours, they were marked British serial numbers, directions.

01:40:11.000 That's why they wouldn't show close-up video inside those trucks.

01:40:14.000 That's a forgery, too.

01:40:16.000 They knew those weren't bio-weapons trucks.

01:40:19.000 They knew they were for pumping up surveillance balloons.

01:40:23.000 Yeah, it's like the rescue of Jessica Lynch.

01:40:28.000 You know, the folks going in there, guns blazing, and it all being incredibly unnecessary.

01:40:35.000 She was well taken care of.

01:40:38.000 They tried to drive her in an ambulance to them and got shot at.

01:40:40.000 They told them two days before, the Iraqis have pulled out, please come get her. 1.00

01:40:46.000 At that particular point in time, the war did not seem to be going well and we didn't need a real morale boost.

01:40:51.000 So you get the Hill and Knowlton's of this world and they do the story and the U.S.

01:40:56.000 Press, at least up till now... Did you know that Jerry Bruckheimer actually consulted for that?

01:41:02.000 No, I didn't.

01:41:02.000 Yeah, that was in the BBC, the Blackhawk Down producer.

01:41:06.000 Yeah.

01:41:07.000 When you mentioned forgery and the Guardian, I thought you were going to refer to the blackening of that member of Parliament, Galloway.

01:41:18.000 That, too, was done on the basis of forged evidence.

01:41:23.000 I noticed that the Christian Science Monitor very sheepishly admitted that last Friday and apologized to Galloway.

01:41:29.000 There's a lot of hit pieces going on.

01:41:31.000 Bad stuff.

01:41:32.000 Well, now they want to go in, and we'll go to calls here in a second.

01:41:35.000 I appreciate you joining us, Ray.

01:41:37.000 Now they want to go into Syria, Iran, but the big one, and I want to get your analytical comments on this.

01:41:44.000 It's very important, or your analysis of it.

01:41:48.000 Am I correct in saying, two months ago, when Rumsfeld leaked the battle plan to attack North Korea, that he leaked that to escalate tensions, to get North Korea to do something stupid, just like the ten-part plan to get the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor?

01:42:02.000 Yeah, I don't think so, Alex.

01:42:04.000 I think that they were so preoccupied with Iraq at that time, that they would have little incentive to stir the waters out there.

01:42:13.000 That's not to say that, unconsciously, they're not doing precisely that, because actually they are.

01:42:19.000 but whether he was doing that deliberately i had kind of doubt that

01:42:23.000 it's shaming battle complete battle plans for preemptively striking

01:42:30.000 north korea i mean that

01:42:31.000 that does escalate things doesn't it that does feel uh... and i don't know how that we could

01:42:37.000 occurred but uh...

01:42:38.000 that you're right to focus on north korea because that's the one 0.96

01:42:42.000 place where we have we don't have a clue I mean, there isn't anybody that I know that pretends to understand what's going on within that leadership.

01:42:50.000 All I know is usually when they catch a boat of North Korean military out of their waters, most of the time they all take cyanide.

01:42:58.000 I mean, that's mind control.

01:43:00.000 This will not be a pushover.

01:43:03.000 So, what's happening there now with the U.S.

01:43:05.000 withdrawing from the front lines, if I were a North Korean, I would say, well, hmm, looks like the U.S.

01:43:14.000 isn't going to defend as it usually has, so there'd be a tripwire before they have to use nuclear weapons.

01:43:21.000 Looks like they're just reconciled to using nuclear weapons as soon as there's a real threat, so we better beef up our own nuclear deterrent before they do that.

01:43:32.000 It's very destabilizing.

01:43:34.000 So it's an escalation in world arms races, and then the Karloff Group's there to sell weapons to all the parties.

01:43:40.000 Yeah, they're doing pretty well.

01:43:43.000 So problem, reaction, solution, create this world arms race, and then the government itself and the officials arm the so-called axis of evil worldwide.

01:43:52.000 That's crazy, yeah.

01:43:54.000 Well, it's not crazy for them.

01:43:55.000 Makes a lot of money.

01:43:56.000 No, yeah, but I mean, when you look at what Eisenhower said as he left, you know, beware.

01:44:02.000 It's just amazing that the country can allow this to happen.

01:44:07.000 I have a bedrock faith, though, in the American people, and I think that you can fool some of the people some of the time, and I think probably as many people as are going to be fooled now by this administration have been, and that we're sort of recooling them back as word leaks out that we've been ahead.

01:44:25.000 Oh, I see.

01:44:25.000 I'm a conservative, and I see conservatives finally waking up to Bush.

01:44:31.000 Well, I think conservatives are the people we have to depend on here because if they stand for anything, they stand for the values for which we were created and for which we were created as a country.

01:44:42.000 And those values have to do with telling the truth.

01:44:45.000 Okay, Ray McGovern, stay right there.

01:44:47.000 Can you stay with us and take some calls?

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01:48:25.000 All right, folks, we're back live with Ray McGovern, a 27-year veteran analyst working at the Central Intelligence Agency.

01:48:34.000 He worked at the most senior levels of intelligence and policy in Washington, and he's part of an organization, Veterans, who are for a little bit more sanity, and we're honored to have him on the show today.

01:48:52.000 Again, ladies and gentlemen, he is part of an organization called Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

01:48:57.000 And the government is insane.

01:48:58.000 It's out of control corrupt.

01:49:00.000 The big corporations are engaging in open piracy against us.

01:49:03.000 They're setting up a police state.

01:49:05.000 We have to resist it.

01:49:07.000 Ray, before I go to some of these calls, I know there's a lot of information you have.

01:49:11.000 Any other lies or corruption points you'd like to cover concerning the upcoming, and I've been told by family in the military, the upcoming set invasion Yeah, that much is clear.

01:49:22.000 Syria and another key piece of evidence that just came out, special forces were already

01:49:28.000 in Iraq a month or two before the invasion and that ultimatum, that 48 hours, all of

01:49:35.000 that was nothing but pure theater. Any comments on this?

01:49:38.000 Yeah, that much is clear. As a matter of fact, they were in there looking for weapons of

01:49:42.000 mass destruction of all things and cleared the first 30 or 40 sites before the war actually

01:49:49.000 So, yeah, it was made clear even when somebody asked one of the senior officials, suppose Saddam did go away?

01:50:01.000 And the answer was, well, we still need to go in there and clean stuff out.

01:50:06.000 So the idea was, The decision was made last summer to occupy and take control of Iraq. 0.70

01:50:13.000 Well, how does PNAC, the Project for a New American Century, fit in?

01:50:17.000 You know, I read one of their documents where they say that Cheney wrote that, oh, Saddam's not a threat, he's a pretext to get the oil, he sees Iraq as a military base.

01:50:26.000 I mean, we have premeditated admissions of what this war was really about.

01:50:31.000 Well, I'm really glad you mentioned that, Alex, because if people are really interested in that, all they need to do is go on the web.

01:50:37.000 It's the Project for a New American Century.

01:50:41.000 And those documents go back to 1992, when Wolfowitz wrote what was called the Defense Posture Statement.

01:50:48.000 It's all laid out.

01:50:49.000 It's really the ideological and strategic justification for what's been going on.

01:50:54.000 It's very much like Hitler's Mein Kampf. 0.91

01:50:56.000 It sort of lays it all out.

01:50:58.000 And so, once you've read that, you'll be able to understand, and you won't be so confused about the different rationales that have been adduced.

01:51:06.000 And Ray, this is where it really gets weird.

01:51:08.000 The National Post and the Washington Post have both written about how most of the neocons are really former Trotskyites, or their parents were Trotskyites, and then you've got them following also this economist Strauss, who was for dictatorships.

01:51:22.000 He wrote policy reports.

01:51:24.000 So we've got a fascist Well, the bottom line is that they're real ideologues.

01:51:29.000 people in the fourth international as the other founders, just sounds like they like tyranny, period.

01:51:34.000 I mean, why do you have this bizarre brainchild in fascism and communism, creating the neocon movement?

01:51:41.000 Well, the bottom line is that they're real ideologues.

01:51:46.000 They know what's best for us all, and they dovetail very nicely with the folks in Israel,

01:51:53.000 who also know what's best for the world.

01:51:55.000 As a matter of fact, most of these folks, Doug Feith and Wolfowitz and those folks, they have actually worked for the Israeli government as well as for ours.

01:52:04.000 They've written position papers for Netanyahu and others.

01:52:08.000 So double agents?

01:52:11.000 Now let me stop you there.

01:52:12.000 Wouldn't that have been illegal for you, Ray, as a top analyst in the CIA for Ronald Reagan?

01:52:17.000 Wouldn't that have been illegal for you to be an Israeli citizen and carry out policies for them and then to be in the White House? 0.84

01:52:24.000 Well, you ask a really good question.

01:52:26.000 I think the answer, Alex, is it wouldn't have been illegal, but it would have been impossible, because in the CIA we had this policy.

01:52:34.000 Hey, Ray, will you stay with us?

01:52:35.000 Sure.

01:52:36.000 I know you're busy.

01:52:37.000 We're really honored to have you, and I promise we'll go to Tim and Garfield and Brian and everybody else has been patiently holding.

01:52:44.000 Just Ray's an incredible guy, and he's just doing this out of the goodness of his heart, and he's got really good information, because I've already checked it all out myself.

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01:53:31.000 and now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:53:38.000 Alright folks, I got a bunch of news and it dovetails with our guest, Ray McGovern,

01:53:48.000 senior policy analyst with the CIA, retired 27-year veteran, part of an organization who's speaking out against the lies

01:53:56.000 and corruption.

01:53:57.000 I've got articles here where people beg for food in Iraq.

01:54:01.000 They're given nothing.

01:54:03.000 The troops laugh at the children.

01:54:05.000 Children who come in with blown off fingers, charred bodies, can't walk, and the troops say, no medical care for you.

01:54:13.000 Oh, the government's so nice, it says they offer them $20 a month to work for Halliburton and others.

01:54:20.000 So what we have now is a nation of 22-23 million slaves.

01:54:23.000 We've killed We've killed a million and a half of them.

01:54:30.000 That's conservative numbers. 0.58

01:54:32.000 Madeleine Albright said 500,000 kids being dead.

01:54:34.000 This was in 97.

01:54:35.000 It was a good price to pay.

01:54:36.000 And now the ethnic cleansing is continuing.

01:54:41.000 Ray, the comments I just made, and I have the articles here in front of me.

01:54:44.000 We'll mention them a little bit later, and we're about to go to the calls, but does that anger you that children who pick up cluster bombs and blow fingers off, our troops won't give them treatment?

01:54:55.000 Yeah, I feel incredibly angry, Alex, not only at what's going on, but at what's being done, not only to these children, to the Iraqis, but what's being done to the souls of our troops.

01:55:08.000 We really can't blame the troops.

01:55:09.000 You know, they signed up most of them from the inner city, most of them from the farms. 0.97

01:55:14.000 They hoped that the army would give them a way into education and so forth.

01:55:17.000 They didn't bargain for this. 0.92

01:55:18.000 And now they're being trained to be bloodthirsty psychopaths.

01:55:21.000 They're going to come back here and become our police officers. 0.99

01:55:23.000 And if somebody says, oh, you don't support the troops, shut up. 0.95

01:55:26.000 Hey, a unit of Delta Force came back and in one week killed four of their wives, folks. 0.96

01:55:31.000 Something's happening to their souls.

01:55:33.000 Go ahead, Ray.

01:55:34.000 So that's a really important aspect of all this.

01:55:37.000 As for what needs to be done, well clearly this needs to be internationalized.

01:55:44.000 We can't pretend to have the answer to these things.

01:55:46.000 We had no plan going in.

01:55:48.000 We had no plan for what would happen after the war.

01:55:52.000 So we need to get the U.N.

01:55:53.000 in there, and we also need to invite the U.N.

01:55:55.000 inspectors back.

01:55:57.000 I mean, what's really, really difficult for me to understand is the U.S.

01:56:01.000 refusal to allow the very people who know everything there is to know about Iraqi weaponry, where it is, how it's made, how it's procured, the scientists they know, why don't they let them back if they're interested in finding this stuff?

01:56:15.000 Well, Ray, before I... We're going to come back, and I promise, right when we get back, we're going to take calls.

01:56:20.000 Okay.

01:56:20.000 Everybody's been patiently holding, so everybody stay there.

01:56:22.000 But, Ray, before I get jumped on here, you know, the UN was a creation of that military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about.

01:56:30.000 It's a tool, a rubber stamp for the globalists, and every time it doesn't do exactly what they want, they just abandon it.

01:56:37.000 And, obviously, Blix wasn't saying what they wanted to hear, because Blix said I wasn't going to be, you know, made a fool of later.

01:56:43.000 You know, there weren't weapons of mass destruction.

01:56:45.000 We couldn't find them.

01:56:46.000 But, you know, to say, oh, use the U.N.

01:56:48.000 I mean, the U.N., NATO, all this, it's run by the same people.

01:56:53.000 It's really turned into a good cop, bad cop thing where they just use it as a tool of the takeover.

01:56:59.000 They'd like to do, but they weren't able to do that.

01:57:01.000 You know, they had to go forward without the UN blessing, and that's a big, big difference, and it's all the more inexcusable for the US to go ahead, and with the British, to sort of thumb their nose at the rest of the world.

01:57:12.000 Well, it makes America look like the bad guy.

01:57:14.000 Well, yeah.

01:57:17.000 So, and then it makes the UN look good.

01:57:20.000 Well, the UN, to its credit, tried to put the brakes on this war, Alex, and we can't forget, you know, that the French and the others, as maligned as they are, they said that we don't abide by this new doctrine that you can, because you're strong enough, that you can go and do a preemptive strike on somebody. 0.91

01:57:39.000 Is that because Europe is within nuclear strike range of more countries on the hit list and they're worried?

01:57:45.000 Well, it could be, but I think it's more a case that the French have been around for a while, and they realize what happens when you let one country exert this kind of unfettered power.

01:57:57.000 All right, Ray McGovern, we're honored to have you stay there.

01:57:59.000 We're going to come back and take calls, and we'll talk more about the lies and the corruption, folks.

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02:01:50.000 You know, click on some of the earlier listings from six months ago, a year ago, where Ray laid out the lies, the propaganda, how they were manipulating the population with stunning accuracy, and then it all came out later.

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02:02:14.000 Ray, you were Right on target with everything you said on this show and what you said on Fox News and other places, how did you have such accurate information?

02:02:28.000 Is it your sources still in intelligence or is it your understanding of analyzing the geopolitical system and the tricks of this current regime?

02:02:37.000 Well, it's a fair question, Alex.

02:02:40.000 It's sort of a combination of three things.

02:02:43.000 One is the experience.

02:02:45.000 There's no substitute for having lived and breathed at the high levels of intelligence and policy in Washington as long as I did.

02:02:53.000 I guess the most important factor, though, is the Internet.

02:02:56.000 I can come down in my pajamas and get read up on just about everything I need to know in two hours by just tuning into the right websites and the right newspapers.

02:03:04.000 And then the value added to, say, the next 20 percent, the last 20 percent, that comes from contacts inside.

02:03:12.000 Most often these contacts we use mostly To affirm or to confirm our own analysis.

02:03:21.000 We say, this is what it looks like to us.

02:03:24.000 Tell us if we've gotten wrong.

02:03:25.000 The answer usually is no.

02:03:28.000 You've got it right, but there's also this.

02:03:30.000 Then we'll get extra little confirmation, extra detail.

02:03:33.000 What about Dick Cheney visiting, we now find out, the CIA and literally putting his hand on senior analyst's shoulders and going, we need these weapons.

02:03:45.000 I spent 27 years at the CIA.

02:03:48.000 Not once, not once in all those years did a Vice President of the United States come to the CIA for a working visit to help us analyze things.

02:03:59.000 And that whole concept of him paying repeated visits to the CIA until he browbeat them into coming up with the quote correct and quote answer is just beyond the pale.

02:04:10.000 It's bizarre.

02:04:11.000 Well they'd also tell him to, in one report, they told him to rewrite it seven times.

02:04:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:17.000 Well, that's the tactic used, and unless you have a very strong director, a strong director of the CIA, you're pretty much done for.

02:04:25.000 And unfortunately, the current incumbent is not a very strong director.

02:04:29.000 Well, I don't go off looks, but to me, I mean, just the way he looks, Kennett is ready for the Sopranos.

02:04:36.000 I'm sorry, I just... I mean... Well, he's, you know, he's an interesting guy.

02:04:40.000 He's got all the credentials for being a very successful congressional staffer.

02:04:46.000 And those same credentials are the antithesis of the credentials needed by the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

02:04:53.000 All right, let's take some calls, Ray.

02:04:54.000 It's great to have you on the show.

02:04:57.000 I really appreciate Garfield in Arkansas holding the last 45 minutes.

02:05:00.000 Go ahead, Garfield, you're on the air.

02:05:02.000 Gentlemen, I just want to pass on a quick news bit I caught on PBS the other morning.

02:05:10.000 And I didn't get all the details.

02:05:12.000 I don't know who is trying to introduce this bill, but apparently there's a bill trying to be introduced to change the Constitution to allow a non-Native-born citizen to run for President. 0.99

02:05:25.000 And they go on to say that this would allow people such as Madeleine Albright, they used her expressly to... Or Arnold Gustavo Schwarzenegger.

02:05:34.000 Yeah, to run for President.

02:05:38.000 I wondered if you'd heard anything about that.

02:05:40.000 Well, I know that they've got a new continuity of government thing the CFR just put out and they want the governors to appoint people during the decapitation of Congress.

02:05:48.000 And I know that during that CONCON, Constitutional Convention, they could rewrite the whole Bill of Rights during that period and they're already trying to do that with Homeland Security, Patriot Act 1 and 2.

02:05:59.000 Any comments to that, Ray?

02:06:00.000 Well, I was just reflecting here on the prospect of having Henry Kissinger as president and Albright as vice president.

02:06:10.000 I have a cold sweat coming down the back of my neck there, Alex.

02:06:14.000 And Garfield, I wish you hadn't raised that.

02:06:16.000 Yeah, I wish I could find what you just said funny.

02:06:20.000 Well, yeah.

02:06:21.000 All this stuff, you know, you have to keep a sense of humor, but when you come right down to it, man... Well, the Republicans and Democrats have introduced bills to prepare the process of repealing the 22nd Amendment.

02:06:31.000 That, of course, keeps presidents from running more than two consecutive terms.

02:06:35.000 Right.

02:06:37.000 That's not a good sign.

02:06:39.000 That was most recently introduced by a Republican representative.

02:06:42.000 Henry Hyde.

02:06:43.000 Well, actually, there's another one as well.

02:06:47.000 It's in committee right now.

02:06:48.000 There's about five different versions that I've seen.

02:06:50.000 Hyde's the same one that when Ron Paul tried to get him to put a rider on the bill that would appropriate the money for the war, Ron Paul wanted to put a rider on that bill.

02:07:01.000 I would say that Congress was actually declaring war by voting for that.

02:07:06.000 I told him that would be frivolous if the Constitution had nothing to do with this.

02:07:10.000 I got that quote out of the AP.

02:07:11.000 I wish I had it on video.

02:07:12.000 That's the most conservative member of Congress against the war, but the media never focuses on that, Ray.

02:07:18.000 They make it a left-right debate to polarize.

02:07:22.000 Listen, I'll let you go on to some more collars.

02:07:24.000 Thank you both, gentlemen, for what you're doing.

02:07:27.000 Thank you.

02:07:28.000 Let's talk to Brian in Virginia.

02:07:30.000 Brian, you're on the air.

02:07:31.000 Go ahead.

02:07:31.000 Thanks for holding.

02:07:32.000 Hello?

02:07:33.000 Yes, sir.

02:07:34.000 Oh, you guys are real patriots, Ray and Alex.

02:07:36.000 Oh, thanks, Brian.

02:07:37.000 Pleasure to talk to you.

02:07:41.000 I think I got fired because I was giving out your tape, Alex.

02:07:45.000 Well, last hour it was, you know, somebody's going to call the FBI because we speak out against corruption.

02:07:50.000 So you're passing out my videos, and what happened?

02:07:57.000 Asked not to visit anybody that would take one.

02:07:59.000 I mailed them out to everybody I had an address for.

02:08:03.000 You know, the next thing I know, I was fired for literally no reason.

02:08:10.000 I'm drawing unemployment now.

02:08:13.000 What companies do you work for?

02:08:14.000 Bell and Howell.

02:08:16.000 Your phone's distorting.

02:08:17.000 What did you say?

02:08:18.000 Bell and Howell.

02:08:20.000 Oh, and they make the They ruined a little bit of everything. I'm a technician

02:08:26.000 and I was servicing their mail processing machine.

02:08:31.000 Well, I know that Dell Computer fires anyone that goes to a pro-life site, an environmentalist site, my site.

02:08:40.000 I mean, we have this censorship going on all over the place.

02:08:44.000 And I know that Stanley Hilton, who's suing Bush for involvement in 9-1-1,

02:08:49.000 has taken the case of one of our listeners who worked at a luxury store.

02:08:54.000 And they were allowed to give friends and people stuff during their lunch break,

02:08:57.000 but he gave somebody a copy of one of my videos and the manager said,

02:09:01.000 "I'm firing you. You're a traitor for being against the war." 0.98

02:09:05.000 And again, this has actually been in the news out in San Francisco. 0.95

02:09:09.000 So, we've seen this before.

02:09:10.000 It's what I'm talking about.

02:09:11.000 This, this, this, this.

02:09:13.000 If you don't agree with the government, you should be arrested or fired.

02:09:17.000 Right?

02:09:17.000 It's becoming a real problem.

02:09:18.000 Yeah.

02:09:19.000 The need is to get together with folks that are still untainted by this kind of fear.

02:09:26.000 And speak out.

02:09:27.000 That's really what's responsible, what responsible behavior is these days.

02:09:31.000 And that's what did not happen in August of 1939 in Germany.

02:09:35.000 People just got too afraid, too afraid to speak out and just watching out for themselves.

02:09:40.000 We have to watch out for one another.

02:09:42.000 Absolutely.

02:09:43.000 You know, I'm sorry to hear that happen, Brian, but you're going to be blessed in the end.

02:09:46.000 You know, I've had similar stuff happen to myself for standing up for the, you know, for what's right.

02:09:50.000 But we won't have a society if people don't stand up like you do and, or like you did.

02:09:55.000 I think I will.

02:09:56.000 I think my next step is going to try to get to the local city council and the county.

02:09:59.000 right land, the new homeland.

02:10:18.000 Well, 400 cities in two states, not 150 or 200, it's over 400 cities and towns in two states have said no to Ashcroft and the Patriot Act.

02:10:28.000 Thanks for the call.

02:10:29.000 Thank you.

02:10:30.000 Good to hear from you.

02:10:30.000 Tim in Texas.

02:10:31.000 Tim, you're on the air.

02:10:32.000 Go ahead.

02:10:33.000 For you.

02:10:35.000 Hi, how are you?

02:10:38.000 How's your guest?

02:10:39.000 What I want to talk to you about, Alex, is Bush.

02:10:44.000 They didn't do it by Congress, the Declaration of War against Iraq, so they violated international law.

02:10:50.000 I'm not for Saddam, but they violated international law by invading a sovereign foreign nation. 0.98

02:10:56.000 Sir, they violated our own constitution.

02:10:59.000 That's correct.

02:11:00.000 Ray, any comments to that?

02:11:02.000 Well, if they certainly are in violation of international law, whether Congress can delegate the ability to make war is a contentious question.

02:11:13.000 Congress did vote, they did give the President authorization to make war, so most people would say they chickened out, but they chickened out in a legal way.

02:11:22.000 Yeah, but they didn't declare war.

02:11:24.000 The declaration of war is required in the Constitution. 0.66

02:11:28.000 They gave him a blank check.

02:11:29.000 They gave him a blank check to invade whoever he wanted.

02:11:32.000 Right, right.

02:11:33.000 Which I find even worse.

02:11:35.000 Yeah, well...

02:11:37.000 Basically, they're running the United States government under executive orders

02:11:43.000 under national emergency since 1933, when the FDR put the whole United States government under a

02:11:50.000 state of national emergency.

02:11:52.000 Well, I know that we are now under continuity of government.

02:11:55.000 Ray, did you see the stories about a year and a half ago where they admitted that we were under continuity of government and quote, shadow government?

02:12:02.000 Oh yeah, I remember the, you mean right after 9-11?

02:12:04.000 Yes.

02:12:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:12:08.000 Yeah, and Congress hadn't even been informed of that.

02:12:11.000 Oh yeah, that was another thing.

02:12:13.000 The House leaders and the Senate leaders were not informed and were not involved in continuity of government, again violating the Constitution, despite the fact they're in direct line of ascension.

02:12:22.000 Alex, the Articles of Confederation, though they treat the Constitution, the 1787 Constitution, like it's suspended, remember this to all the listeners out there, That the Articles of Confederation were written before the Constitution.

02:12:39.000 There's no provision for suspending it.

02:12:42.000 And people out there who use the Articles of Confederation, they have to go in the courtroom.

02:12:47.000 Alright, sir.

02:12:49.000 I appreciate the call, Tim.

02:12:52.000 Ray McGovern, I want to get more into going into Iran and Syria and North Korea and your analysis of that.

02:12:58.000 And then we'll talk to Warren in Colorado and Tim in Wisconsin and a couple others.

02:13:04.000 I appreciate you staying with us.

02:13:05.000 We'll be right back.

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02:17:27.000 Talking to Ray McGovern.

02:17:28.000 Ray McGovern, 27-year veteran analyst working at the Central Intelligence Agency.

02:17:28.000 We're taking calls.

02:17:33.000 Part of a group of former analysts who spoke out against the war and the fraud and the lies and have been proven totally correct and accurate. 0.70

02:17:40.000 Unfortunately, I wish they were wrong.

02:17:42.000 We're about to get some of his comments on the upcoming wars, which are basically a foregone conclusion, unless we stand up and speak out to the new lies that they're putting out daily.

02:17:53.000 Warren in Colorado, you're on the air with your host Alex Jones and our guest Ray McGovern.

02:17:57.000 Go ahead, Warren.

02:17:59.000 Okay, hi Alex.

02:18:00.000 How you doing?

02:18:01.000 Last week, on one of your last segments, I caught it late at night, 10 to 11 here in Colorado, and you made a great point about how these so-called pilots weren't There's no way that they could fly those large airplanes into the towers.

02:18:17.000 And I've got a pilot's license, and I guess my question is, has any veteran pilot made any comments to the fact that that could not have happened for an inexperienced pilot?

02:18:30.000 Well, sir, to get into this takes hours, and we've done it.

02:18:33.000 It's an important question.

02:18:36.000 You know, how was NORAD ordered to stand down?

02:18:39.000 You know, the list goes on and on.

02:18:41.000 And yes, a bunch of veteran pilots have said that with all their skills, it'd be hard to hit one of those buildings the way they did, much less two or three.

02:18:52.000 And why did NORAD get scrambled?

02:18:56.000 why did bush keep reading a little goat story for twenty seven minutes after knowing

02:19:02.000 second tower been hit i mean it was just theater and then later he put out

02:19:05.000 different stories and we just to get into nine one one just takes so long but

02:19:09.000 and now bush has declared even the public hearings classified

02:19:13.000 and and and now it turns out that the the spokeswoman for the f_a_a_ said in

02:19:17.000 front of the press oh yeah we got called but after the transponders got turned off

02:19:22.000 they took control of the situation. So it's so horrible though, the average person doesn't have the will to face it.

02:19:29.000 But it's clear, they're doing nothing to stop terrorism while using the threat of terror to destroy our liberties.

02:19:34.000 Ray McGovern, do you have any comments to what Warren is saying?

02:19:37.000 Well, yes, I would. I think that the joint hearings in Congress that wound up in September and later last year,

02:19:48.000 that shows that Congress is not able to investigate something like this.

02:19:53.000 You may recall that after months and months of investigation for the last public hearing, Eleanor Hill, the very gutsy staff director, got up and said, Now, I want everyone to know before we start here that our negotiations with the White House went well into the night, but we were unsuccessful.

02:20:10.000 The White House is insisting that we keep everything that has to do with what the President was told.

02:20:17.000 Before 9-11, out of the record.

02:20:21.000 So now the Executive Branch bosses the Legislative?

02:20:25.000 That's exactly what's happening here.

02:20:27.000 And you see that in all kinds of ways.

02:20:29.000 Representative Henry Waxman of California wrote a blistering letter to the President on the 17th of March saying, look, you lied to me and that's why I voted for this war.

02:20:39.000 Now I want an explanation.

02:20:41.000 That was the 17th of March, Alex.

02:20:43.000 He hasn't still received a... Well, when Judicial Watch tried to depose the White House Press Secretary on Halliburton and some of their activities in the war, they threatened to arrest the Judicial Watch server.

02:20:59.000 I mean, even Bill Clinton, for all of his corruption, never threatened to arrest somebody in a legal serving procedure.

02:21:08.000 It's pretty crazy.

02:21:09.000 It's getting crazy.

02:21:10.000 Thanks for the call, Warren.

02:21:11.000 Ray McGovern, what do you see happening in Iran and Syria?

02:21:15.000 Well, I think you're right to be extremely concerned about that.

02:21:19.000 If you look again at those Project for a New American Century documents, you see a kind of a plan where the U.S.

02:21:27.000 would increase its influence in those areas, as well as Israel would do the same.

02:21:35.000 There was an interesting comment right after our victory in Iraq.

02:21:42.000 The U.S.

02:21:43.000 senior officials started talking about Syria, saying that Syria was the next target, and they were harboring criminals and escapees from Iraq and doing other things.

02:21:51.000 They had weapons of mass destruction, of all things, okay?

02:21:54.000 So it looked pretty scary, and the Israeli defense minister was asked to comment on all this, and he said, in an unguarded moment, Oh yes, we Israelis have a whole list of grievances against Syria, but we just assume that the Americans take care of it at this point.

02:22:13.000 So there you have a very clear manifestation of the fact that the Israelis are delighted to have us do their bidding there.

02:22:20.000 And what is their bidding?

02:22:21.000 Well, both Iran and Syria do harbor terrorists, do harbor folks that support terror in the occupied territories of Palestine.

02:22:32.000 The Israelis don't like that, and so the Israelis would just be delighted if we went after Syria and or Iraq. 1.00

02:22:38.000 The good news is... Well, Lane McGovern, we've had you on for an hour, we know you're busy.

02:22:44.000 Can you do ten more minutes with us?

02:22:46.000 I could do ten more.

02:22:47.000 Sure.

02:22:48.000 Okay, we'll come back in three.

02:22:48.000 I'll keep talking about seven more after that.

02:22:51.000 And I want to get into some other questions about this issue.

02:22:53.000 Netanyahu said yesterday, and I have the article right here out of Reuters, they will be taking the oil from Iraq out of the pipeline.

02:22:59.000 They're going to get it for free.

02:23:01.000 Now folks, if that isn't criminal, I don't know what is.

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02:23:34.000 All right, folks.

02:23:35.000 Our final segment with Ray McGovern.

02:23:36.000 I'm going to be back in a minute.

02:23:52.000 I only have time to take one more call from Elias in Michigan, but first I wanted to get more into Syria and Iran.

02:23:59.000 Ray, the White House just said they want to go into Syria and Iran.

02:24:02.000 About two months ago, a month and a half ago, Rumsfeld said we want to start destabilization of Iran, maybe even broadcast into Iran, use the student movement.

02:24:11.000 That's now happening.

02:24:13.000 And I just want to point out that in Iraq, they're saying they're going to appoint The people that will then, quote, vote for who runs the country.

02:24:20.000 Well, that's a puppet dictatorship. 0.79

02:24:23.000 As I said earlier, and I've got the articles on Infowars.com, $20 a month for Iraqis that are lucky enough to get hired, the whole infrastructure taken over, working for private firms that Dick Cheney and others are profiting from. 0.87

02:24:37.000 I mean, this is amazing.

02:24:43.000 How do we get the message out to the people and your comments on this whole spectrum of things I've been speaking of?

02:24:48.000 I mean, I don't know if you saw the article out of Reuters where Netanyahu says, oh yeah, we need oil, we're going to be given the oil.

02:24:55.000 Given the oil?

02:24:56.000 I mean, that's horrible!

02:24:58.000 That belongs to the Iraqi people! 0.77

02:25:00.000 Yeah.

02:25:01.000 Yeah, Alex, one comment.

02:25:03.000 It's sort of a good news, bad news type of thing.

02:25:07.000 Bad news for the poor troops that we've sent over there.

02:25:11.000 They're going to be embedded down there for a long time in Iraq.

02:25:16.000 I think there are about 145,000 of our guys there and women.

02:25:21.000 It turns out that the Chief of Staff of the Army was quite right when he said it's going to take a couple hundred thousand folks to pacify and to occupy Iraq. 0.69

02:25:31.000 And we'll probably have to send in more folks. 0.88

02:25:33.000 Those of you who have been around Vietnam, it's really the quagmire that we saw there.

02:25:37.000 So, why is this also good news?

02:25:39.000 Well, it's also good news because even the most arrogant and ideological folks can outstrip themselves.

02:25:46.000 They've got their hands full in Iraq now.

02:25:49.000 I can't conceive of them going to the army now and saying, OK, we need a couple hundred more thousand to do Iran and Syria.

02:25:56.000 The army doesn't have it.

02:25:57.000 So our capabilities are stretched to the point where if we can do Iraq, so to speak, we'll be doing well. 0.98

02:26:03.000 And I don't think we can even do Iraq. 0.99

02:26:05.000 But now they've got a Republican and Democrat version of bills for a national compulsory draft, never before seen, for men and women.

02:26:14.000 They're talking about using NATO in other countries.

02:26:17.000 They just had the G8 meeting.

02:26:19.000 They were authorizing that Iran and Syria don't follow orders going in.

02:26:23.000 Did that concern you?

02:26:25.000 Well, not so much.

02:26:27.000 I think that the Europeans are trying to put up a strong front there.

02:26:32.000 But I can't conceive of it.

02:26:33.000 There are other ways to put the brakes on nuclear programs besides going in militarily.

02:26:40.000 Europeans know that.

02:26:41.000 Most sensible people know that.

02:26:43.000 And in many ways, Alex, the nuclear genie is out of the bottle.

02:26:48.000 I mean, what we're doing with respect to North Korea, for example, is we're hastening their attempts to get nuclear weapons by the way we're acting.

02:26:58.000 So, it's not going to be possible to prevent people like, well, North Korea is already gone.

02:27:06.000 Iran will probably get a nuclear capability.

02:27:10.000 Israel already has one.

02:27:12.000 They have 400 chemical, biological, race-specific viruses and bacteria, but why aren't the globalists running things?

02:27:20.000 Why aren't they concerned about India and Pakistan.

02:27:24.000 Why did our government help develop China systems? 0.90

02:27:27.000 Why did Rumsfeld on the board of ABB help transfer the reactors to North Korea in the mid-90s?

02:27:33.000 I mean, this goes on and on and on and on.

02:27:35.000 Yeah, it's pretty crass when you look at it.

02:27:37.000 But Mighty Buck speaks to most of that.

02:27:41.000 There is concern with respect to India and Pakistan, but it looks like that... You know, deterrence worked for, what, since 1945?

02:27:50.000 A deterrence can work if sensible people are in power.

02:27:54.000 But by having these pre-emptive strikes, this is escalating the arms race.

02:27:58.000 Yeah, when I said sensible people in power, I rule out those who would mount pre-emptive strikes against international law.

02:28:06.000 That creates an instability in the world.

02:28:08.000 It is just the first time it's been so unstable in a doctrine, strategic way, since World War II.

02:28:17.000 But I have family.

02:28:18.000 Yeah, they were trained for that.

02:28:19.000 and i talk to a lot of people have seen their policy reports

02:28:23.000 as well in the news i mean they're telling the troops this is about three months ago that one of my family

02:28:29.000 members is an officer in the army were told

02:28:31.000 within two years they are going into syria yeah uh... that's

02:28:36.000 you know that they can they were trained for that that's just makes uh... good prudence

02:28:42.000 to to to train for that to get the syrian maps out and all that kind of

02:28:44.000 thing for the contingency reasons

02:28:47.000 uh... israelis would be delighted of course if we went to syria

02:28:51.000 But I think that, well, I may be gilding the lily here, but I think that the quagmire that we find ourselves already in, in Iraq, will militate against any quick decision to do the same to Syria.

02:29:04.000 By the way, we didn't have our troops getting shot.

02:29:06.000 We're getting more resistance now that we've taken over than even taking the country over in the first place.

02:29:14.000 The evidence is the people are fighting back now because so many of them were mowed down at weddings and protests, has no connection to Saddam.

02:29:21.000 They're actually putting the Ba'athists back in in an attempt to get control, but then the news tries to say, oh, Saddam's secretly commanding them.

02:29:29.000 That's why they don't like our troops.

02:29:32.000 Is that propaganda?

02:29:33.000 Yeah, well, sure it is.

02:29:34.000 It's the same propaganda as, you know, the prospect that they would go up on the rooftops and wave American flags.

02:29:41.000 You know, I was thinking, Alex, just the other day, as I saw more of our people getting killed, there's a Rudyard Kipling doublet here that really speaks volumes.

02:29:51.000 About riding the tiger?

02:29:53.000 No, well, it's this.

02:29:55.000 If they ask you why we died, tell them because our fathers lied.

02:30:03.000 I forget the saying, that's a good saying, but I forget the one Kipling was talking about, about riding the tiger, you end up being the meal.

02:30:10.000 Yeah, we are riding a tiger in Iraq, and the thought that we can pacify and direct 23 million people with 150,000 troops is absurd.

02:30:24.000 But why should Exxon and Mobil care if they're getting record profits, if our boys die?

02:30:31.000 Yeah, well they don't care.

02:30:33.000 Uh, it's just, it's really a mark of, well, there's the arrogance and there's the fact that they don't really know what they're doing.

02:30:42.000 It's the same as Vietnam. 0.97

02:30:43.000 What you have is a president from Texas, LBJ Bush.

02:30:47.000 What you have is a Ivy League defense secretary who thinks he knows everything there is to know in the world and the relatively ignorant The president from Texas is so impressed by this Ivy League quick-talking Secretary of Defense that he allows him to set policy for the United States of America.

02:31:06.000 Well, Bush is Ivy League, too, but even though he got in with a 65 score, but Mr. Skull and Bones, one last call, we'll let you go, Ray, and we appreciate all the time.

02:31:15.000 Elias in Michigan.

02:31:16.000 Elias, you're on the air.

02:31:17.000 Go ahead.

02:31:18.000 Thank you very much.

02:31:19.000 Hello to Ray.

02:31:20.000 Hi, Elias.

02:31:22.000 Yeah, hi.

02:31:24.000 Uh, what I was interested in, what I've been thinking about is, where are, you know, where are all the clones of Alex gone?

02:31:31.000 And it just hit me today when he was talking about that.

02:31:33.000 And I suppose you know, there should be hundreds, literally, Giving out this message on local radios.

02:31:42.000 I don't have any local here, so I hear it on the shortwave.

02:31:46.000 But you can't find anything.

02:31:47.000 Well, there are people in every city.

02:31:49.000 Well, there used to be one here.

02:31:50.000 He was called Mark Scott.

02:31:51.000 But he is long gone.

02:31:53.000 You never hear of him anymore.

02:31:54.000 So, what is your opinion on this?

02:31:57.000 Where are they all?

02:31:58.000 Well, I know this.

02:31:59.000 This show gets good ratings, great ratings, number one ratings in many cases.

02:32:04.000 There are a lot of sponsors out there.

02:32:07.000 There is a market for it, for the truth, for alternative news and information, but look at the FCC ruling with Powell's son saying they can own unlimited.

02:32:18.000 That's not free market, that's monopoly or oligopoly.

02:32:21.000 Ray McGovern, how does this consolidation of the media feed into destroying a free society?

02:32:26.000 That's the worst thing that's happened here in town in several months, and there have been a lot of bad things happening.

02:32:32.000 That Powell would do this without holding public hearings?

02:32:36.000 That he would do this against Congressional opposition?

02:32:39.000 It's just really unconscionable.

02:32:41.000 And the result will be that folks like you and others that would speak truth to power are in jeopardy now.

02:32:50.000 Absolutely.

02:32:51.000 Thanks for the call, Elias.

02:32:53.000 And, Ray McGovern, any closing comments for the listeners?

02:32:55.000 local radios they're going to be in charge of pretty much all there is on

02:32:59.000 radio and that's really really uh... noxious absolutely thanks for the call

02:33:04.000 elias and reyma governor any any closing comments for listeners yeah i i just would say

02:33:09.000 that uh... we need to kind of focus our interest on uh... on the real

02:33:14.000 the real demonstrably arrogant

02:33:19.000 unsupported things I'm thinking of the forgery.

02:33:23.000 Now, we know that a forgery was used to deceive our Congress into voting for war.

02:33:29.000 We have to figure out how to get at that.

02:33:32.000 Vice President Cheney, frequent trips to the CIA, unprecedented sort of behavior, he exaggerating the nuclear threat.

02:33:42.000 I believe that the evidence is very persuasive that he was behind that.

02:33:46.000 And what we need to do is to kind of get up and out, talk about this and say, is it right?

02:33:53.000 That our elected representatives should be conned like this.

02:33:59.000 And then we talk to our elected representatives.

02:34:01.000 You voted for the war. 0.82

02:34:03.000 Now, are you disturbed at all at realizing that the intelligence so-called that was used to justify this war was a hoax?

02:34:12.000 Are you concerned about that at all?

02:34:13.000 Well, Ray, that's the problem.

02:34:15.000 They're committing frauds, forgeries all the time.

02:34:19.000 Domestically, internationally, the Republicans, the Democrats do it.

02:34:22.000 It's a big fat cash machine up in Washington.

02:34:27.000 They're literally freebooting or pirating our entire society.

02:34:32.000 Bush has announced they're going to now change the rules where we won't own our pension funds.

02:34:37.000 Across the board this is happening.

02:34:39.000 I've never seen such corruption and the media, the supposedly liberal media, which is a joke, totally ignoring this.

02:34:47.000 And I see government growing, liberties being destroyed, Bush is going to sign the assault weapons ban, open borders.

02:34:54.000 I mean, Bush isn't a conservative or a liberal.

02:34:57.000 He is a command and controller trying to wreck this country, and of course he's just a puppet as well, the military-industrial complex.

02:35:04.000 So, how do we stop this system?

02:35:07.000 Well, I mean, that's my final question, right?

02:35:10.000 Yeah, that's our challenge, and the way we do it is together, and the way we do it is to try first through the political process, We hear ever since 9-11 in Washington a bunch of us that consider ourselves progressive or conservative or conservative progressives who have been lamenting and we've been talking and we've been shouting but we need to start doing and what we need to start doing is getting together and making sure that the people that will be running next November are people that represent what we stand for and will try to get at the truth.

02:35:46.000 Now, what percentage, and this is the last question, what percentage of the former and current intelligence people you talk to are upset about what's happening and see the Orwellian nature of the lies for what they are?

02:35:58.000 Well, the colleagues that we talk to are mostly of the kind that know us by reputation as having a thing about integrity.

02:36:06.000 So, we're not talking to a cross-section of the community.

02:36:10.000 But even having said that, I think about 80% of the folks still slogging away in there are just trying to bite their tongues and wait so that they can fight another day.

02:36:20.000 Because right now, because of their director caving in to the powers that be, their voice is not being heard.

02:36:28.000 So what strata is it, I mean you say 80%, that's almost the entire strata, or all the different layers, I mean, so you're saying top to bottom there are people that don't like butchering America?

02:36:39.000 Not really, Alex, I'm afraid I have to say that the bureaucracy is, there's bureaucracy even in the Central Intelligence Agency, and that means that if you know how to sniff the wind right, you know, Yeah, you figure out what the right answers are and you're interested more in self advancement and getting promoted than you are in pursuing the truth.

02:37:01.000 It will bubble to the top, and so that other 20%, I'm afraid to say, is at the top of the agency.

02:37:07.000 Alright, Ray McGovern, I really appreciate you coming on the show today, and we look forward to having you on again in the future, and God bless you.

02:37:15.000 And to you, too.

02:37:16.000 Take care.

02:37:17.000 And talking about integrity, talking about sniffing the wind, I mean, here is the Houston Chronicle today, Chief Texas Justice Unfair.

02:37:26.000 That's the headline.

02:37:27.000 The Chief says, you know, big bold headline, Chief.

02:37:32.000 It says Chief.

02:37:33.000 Texas Justice Unfair urges Crime Lab Court of Inquiry.

02:37:38.000 Criminal defendants in Texas are at the mercy of prosecutors in an unfair system that emphasizes winning rather than justice, Houston Police Chief C.O.

02:37:48.000 Bradford said Monday.

02:37:50.000 Trial by ambush.

02:37:51.000 That is a Texas criminal justice problem.

02:37:54.000 In a two-hour meeting with the Houston Chronicle editorial board, Bradford also said he believes that there is sufficient probable cause for Harris County judges to convene a court of inquiry to publicly and independently investigate the entire police department crime lab, not just the troubled DNA portion.

02:38:12.000 Now, police have gone forward.

02:38:14.000 They've been caught framing innocent people.

02:38:16.000 Thousands of them!

02:38:18.000 Of course, you heard last week about Tulia, Texas with the 56 people Excuse me, 46 people arrested, enraged, no drugs, paraphernalia found.

02:38:27.000 One cop said, I saw drugs on all of them.

02:38:30.000 And it turned out he hadn't even ever talked to about half of them.

02:38:33.000 They all got prison time between 20 and 90 years.

02:38:36.000 Turned out it was all made up and fake.

02:38:39.000 Now that's just Texas.

02:38:40.000 It just came out that in Dallas they frame people in the crime lab.

02:38:43.000 That they have a whole locker of fake drugs they plant on people and then later substitute it with real ones.

02:38:48.000 I mean, it's wall-to-wall, folks.

02:38:50.000 And when your government's that corrupt, you can't believe a thing they do.

02:38:53.000 And it's Republicans, it's Democrats, it's everybody.

02:38:55.000 I mean, somebody like Ray McGrath, you know, kind of a moderate, was a conservative in the Reagan administration.

02:39:01.000 And he's here freaking out over all this.

02:39:03.000 We've got Charlotte Esserby, former head of Policy, Department of Education, Reagan Administration, giving you the documents where they say they want to dumb your kids down. 0.99

02:39:12.000 There's a lot of conservatives and liberals and people across the board that are waking up right now.

02:39:18.000 And I'm a real conservative.

02:39:20.000 To be conservative, a constitutionalist, I'm pro-gun, pro-family, pro-border, I'm for lower taxes, getting rid of the Federal Reserve.

02:39:28.000 Well, the neocons you hear on the news, they're not. 0.99

02:39:31.000 They've got some red herring of beating up some mindless soccer mom on the air who's got half-baked idiotic ideas, but that soccer mom isn't the real threat. 1.00

02:39:41.000 She can be deprogrammed. 1.00

02:39:43.000 Okay?

02:39:44.000 Joe Sixpack can be woken up.

02:39:46.000 It's these neocons who are taking the energies of conservative America, of Christian America, and misdirecting it into empowering the New World Order.

02:39:56.000 And somebody like Ray says, we'll see the UN's against the war, they must be good. 0.98

02:40:00.000 And no, Ray's wrong about that because the U.N.

02:40:03.000 was founded by the military-industrial complex.

02:40:05.000 He didn't argue with that.

02:40:06.000 And they're just there to play good cop-bad cop while the world demonizes America!

02:40:11.000 As they provide internal propaganda to make people think the war is good here, they provide propaganda worldwide that's based much of it in truth, that's not propaganda, but misdirected to demonize America and make the UN look good.

02:40:24.000 So we're seeing the rise of the EU and world government and the private shareholders of our fellow reserve that are making the money and the power off of this acquisition of natural resources, the oil, and the population of Iraq.

02:40:38.000 So that's the real system.

02:40:41.000 There is so much government corruption now that I can't even begin to even try to cover it.

02:40:45.000 You've got to go to Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com to look at it for yourself.

02:40:50.000 But I want to remind so-called conservatives that Hillary Clinton and Chuckie Schumer were for this war.

02:40:56.000 This war was based on lies and fraud.

02:40:58.000 Iraq was targeted as a military launch base.

02:41:01.000 Iraq was targeted, ladies and gentlemen, for its oil.

02:41:05.000 Now that's the President's own policy board statement.

02:41:10.000 Now, when they can have public documents where they tell us the truth for internal circulation, and then they have a public lie for the general public, and people accept that, we're in deep trouble.

02:41:22.000 I'll come back and tell you about some key final news stories, and believe me, they're important, so stay with us.

02:41:27.000 And yes, I'll put in a brief plug for my videos and my book, which we haven't really plugged today.

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02:44:52.000 Face recognition surveillance bound for Miami River.

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02:44:59.000 Long known as a haunt for smugglers and a home for small traders and high-priced yachts.

02:45:05.000 The technology that debuted at the 2001 Super Bowl in Tampa will scan for matches, the faces, and ship silhouettes of known terrorists and smugglers.

02:45:14.000 Oh, yes.

02:45:15.000 Known terrorists just everywhere are going to get us.

02:45:19.000 And of course, they put this in in Igor City.

02:45:23.000 They're in Tampa.

02:45:26.000 And it ended up causing massive problems.

02:45:29.000 With innocent people being flagged down.

02:45:31.000 In fact, they didn't catch anyone.

02:45:33.000 It was just some guy be sitting there drinking a Sprite with his girlfriend.

02:45:36.000 A SWAT team would come running up with machine guns.

02:45:39.000 And we even had that guy on the air.

02:45:41.000 The police tried to arrest people protesting it.

02:45:43.000 They said, those cameras give you justice protesting them.

02:45:46.000 Obstructs justice.

02:45:47.000 That was actually in the Tampa paper.

02:45:50.000 Actually, the St.

02:45:51.000 Petersburg Times.

02:45:51.000 That was about two years ago.

02:45:53.000 I don't know how I can remember all this stuff, but I can.

02:45:56.000 Miami River has Brandish a black eye with law enforcement.

02:46:01.000 For as long as I can remember, said Miami River Marine Group Director Frank Boschag, the times have changed.

02:46:07.000 The legitimate business of the river wanted to do something to show their commitment to rivers improvement.

02:46:15.000 Oh yes, so now you'll be face scanned folks.

02:46:17.000 It's spreading all over the country.

02:46:19.000 Hundreds of cities now doing it.

02:46:21.000 It's totally illegal.

02:46:22.000 Total violation of the Fourth Amendment.

02:46:25.000 And here's another story out of Reuters.

02:46:27.000 Apocalypse Now music fires up U.S.

02:46:29.000 troops for a raid.

02:46:30.000 It says when they attack towns, they play Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries right out of the movie Apocalypse Now before crashing into Iraqi homes to hunt gunmen.

02:46:38.000 And it said they're going ahead in some towns and just arresting most of the men and taking them to camps that MSNBC has reported are re-education centers complete with movie screens, broadcasting propaganda.

02:46:50.000 I guess it was good in Red Dawn, you know, and movies like that.

02:46:53.000 Or for real in the Soviet Union, so now our government does it.

02:46:56.000 With these strings of Wagner's right of the Valkyrie still ringing in their ears, and the clatter of helicopters overhead, soldiers rammed vehicles into metal gates, and hundreds of troops raided houses in the western city.

02:47:08.000 After sunrise and it goes on.

02:47:11.000 Our troops at war before the war.

02:47:14.000 This is out of the City Morning Herald.

02:47:15.000 I thought they were waiting to see if Saddam followed orders.

02:47:18.000 Australian, US, and British Special Forces took control of a quarter of Iraq before the war was officially launched on March 20th.

02:47:24.000 Allied Forces Commander General Tommy Frank said yesterday in an extraordinary statement that suggests Australians were engaged in the war prior to Prime Minister John Howard's officially committing troops.

02:47:35.000 General Frank said more than 50 Twelve member Special Forces units secretly entered Iraq's desert before hostilities began.

02:47:44.000 So, there you go, ladies and gentlemen.

02:47:47.000 But I thought it was all, they didn't follow orders, didn't do what the U.N.

02:47:50.000 said.

02:47:50.000 See, it was all lies, people.

02:47:52.000 They always intended to go in.

02:47:54.000 That's admitted.

02:47:56.000 And they say that's all happening because Saddam's still in there giving orders, and Bin Laden's still alive, but don't worry about that. 0.98

02:48:04.000 I mean, it's just totally made up.

02:48:06.000 It's total theater.

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