In the first half of the show, Paul Joseph Watson joins us to talk about his new book, Order Out of Chaos. In the second half, Bob Barefoot and Catherine Albrecht of Caspian International come on the show to discuss the growing threat posed by the New World Order. Finally, we get a British perspective on the high-tech police state they have developing in the UK, the disarmament of the British people, and the lies of the government concerning Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction.
00:01:06.000He has a great head on his shoulders for analyzing the New World Order and covering and posting pertinent facts and tracking their lies and doing daily flashbacks to show how they put out different propaganda almost on a daily basis now.
00:01:22.000We'll also talk about his upcoming book, and no, we're not offering it yet, and yes, I'm publishing it, Order Out of Chaos.
00:01:30.000Well, it's a powerful book, and it's lengthy.
00:01:33.000We'll go over some of what's in the book, some of the key smoking guns of September 11th, and we'll get a British perspective on the high-tech police state they have developing there, the disarmament of the British people, We'll talk about the lies of that government concerning Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and his opinion on British citizens held at Camp X-Ray to be tried without juries and, yes, to be executed.
00:01:59.000So that's all coming up in about 30 minutes.
00:02:01.000Then in the third hour, We've got Catherine Albrecht, the head of Caspian, coming on the show.
00:02:11.000You know, we were talking about RFIDs before RFIDs were cool, as they say.
00:02:16.000The small, trackable microchips that are going to go in all your clothes, all your razors, all your food cans and containers, everything!
00:02:25.000And we told you it was about a control grid to tax and trace you.
00:02:29.000Well now, Caspian, their organization has basically, I want to say hacked But used software to get into internal areas of the big RFID consortium's website and got secret documents.
00:02:47.000And the RFID group admits they're accurate and are very angry.
00:02:50.000And they talk about how they want to, quote, manipulate, neutralize, pacify you, and get you to accept the cashless society control grid.
00:03:00.000It's great what the technology people on the side of Liberty are able to do.
00:03:05.000It's like when Orrin Hatch came out and said, hack anybody's computer and destroy it if they download anything that's not authorized, video, audio.
00:03:16.000Well, folks just went to Hatch's website and found out that he had pirated software.
00:03:20.000He'd used pirated software to build his very fancy, expensive website.
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00:09:44.000They actually got more fireworks than I did.
00:09:48.000Alright, this sounds like mainstream radio now.
00:09:51.000I'm starting the show discussing fireworks, but I do enjoy going out with family in the middle of the countryside on a beautiful star-filled night and shooting fireworks off for three hours.
00:10:06.000And I love the Fourth of July, but I don't love the Fourth of July just because my dad made the best beef, ribs, and brisket that he smoked all day.
00:10:16.000And I didn't just enjoy the Fourth of July because we shot all these fireworks off, what my uncle bought, what my dad bought, and what I bought.
00:10:23.000I enjoyed the Fourth of July because I remembered those that fought and died to make America the successful experiment it was, and should still be, but it's frankly not, folks, in many respects, a free society.
00:10:39.000Because on my way, and I talked about this some yesterday, but you really can't stress it enough, on my way to East Texas to visit family from Central Texas, I watched swarms, wolf packs, and they even call them wolf packs, of state police and others with local police swarming in MJTF wolf packs, multi-jurisdictional task forces, they would exit off the road, come back onto the road, randomly pull over five, ten cars, all together in mass, just totally randomly, and then you'd come across wolf packs that had already pulled over their quarry,
00:11:14.000And they would have families standing out on the side of the road in the heat and the fire ants, their goods stacked out on the road, their fireworks being inspected.
00:11:23.000I saw this toddler standing there with his mother in fear, looking at these officers as they directed the father to dig through his car and remove the spare tire for them.
00:11:34.000And I wanted to pull over, and I wanted to scream at those police officers that they're desecrating everything America is, was, and is going to be!
00:12:20.000A bill that almost passed to ban fireworks.
00:12:23.000How Estes Rockets, little rocket kits you buy as a kid, that I did with my father, about to be out of business because they can't ship their rockets to people.
00:12:34.000I thought about our jobs shutting down and our factories leaving our shores forever.
00:12:38.000I thought about how the number one part of our economy is giant prisons and law enforcement and security and surveillance.
00:12:44.000I thought about the Pentagon announcing that everything we do will be watched and tracked.
00:12:49.000I thought about how they're getting rid of posse comitatus and bringing in foreign troops.
00:12:53.000I thought about the forced inoculation plans and the new $6.3 billion federal bureaucracy yearly called BioShield to forcibly inoculate you and to build the giant infrastructures.
00:13:16.000Sometimes I, just for a few seconds, will lose the fire, the will, and the desire to get on the radio and to do interviews morning, noon, and night, and to do my own syndicated show.
00:13:28.000And I sometimes lose the fire to make a new documentary film, or I lose the fire in my belly to sit there for hours every night reading news stories on the news wires.
00:13:40.000But I always get the fire back if I just turn on CNN or Fox or if I listen to talk radio.
00:13:48.000And yesterday I went over to News Talk 1260, KWNX, the great affiliate that picks up my show here in Austin, and I I drove over there, met with the great folks, we talked about the New World Order, people shared news stories with me, I had great discussions with them, and then I get back in my car and I'm listening to that station and I flip over to see what the other station's doing.
00:14:18.000And, stuck in traffic, I listened to 30 minutes of the host Saying that every child needs vaccines.
00:14:26.000It should be illegal not to take vaccines.
00:14:29.000Everybody should be forced to take all the new vaccines.
00:15:38.000And I said, well, uh, I said, autism's up 2000% and some of it could be misdiagnosis or more diagnosis, but a lot of it is, has been proven to the additives of the vaccine.
00:15:50.000They've admitted that George Bush had the vaccine record sealed and tried to sign an executive order and then passed a law that got repealed by the way.
00:15:57.000I didn't tell him that part, uh, last year guarding the vaccine makers.
00:16:01.000So I said this to him and of course I had something cogent to say.
00:18:33.000But if you don't agree with them, or you don't sound like an incoherent idiot, some dumb liberal they can slap around, or some dumb neocon they can slap around, they won't have you on.
00:18:43.000And, you know, I've called into a lot of national shows and had this happen.
00:18:46.000You know, I've been on road trips and tried for an hour to get through.
00:18:49.000You get through, you get on, you get to the call screener, and they hang up on you.
00:19:14.000It was already a law that you couldn't make a kid take a shot.
00:19:17.000The article acts like there was a law where you had to, but what the new law actually does is it says CPS can't come after you, because I went and got the law yesterday.
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00:24:35.000Vaccines, if they were produced properly by trustworthy organizations, not eugenics-obsessed Nazis.
00:24:43.000Publicly funding extermination programs worldwide against the third world and being caught doing it to the vaccines.
00:24:48.000Official government plans, Australian, US, Canadian, British, to do this.
00:24:55.000We didn't have all the reports, the mercury and the microplasms and the cancer viruses and the weird hormones and the UN getting caught sterilizing women with a tetanus shot that had a hormone added.
00:25:12.000But yeah, we have companies that can be trusted in four or five groups, independently tested the vaccine lots, and yes, vaccines can be a good thing.
00:25:23.000But there's no substitute for being healthy.
00:25:27.000But certainly, vaccines can be a good thing, but they shouldn't be mandatory.
00:25:32.000And we've got a government that's trying to make dozens of new ones every year mandatory.
00:25:37.000In fact, there was an article last week about how they want, now, a whole new class of shots to be given.
00:25:43.000They're talking about making an anti-smoking vaccine mandatory.
00:25:46.000They were talking about making an Alzheimer's vaccine mandatory.
00:25:49.000If they could get approval, then it killed a bunch of the people that took it, so they backed off.
00:25:54.000They used to give kids before the age of two shots in Japan.
00:25:58.000Now they made a law where you can't do it in Japan.
00:26:01.000It killed and brain damaged so many children.
00:26:03.000They didn't have cases of autism that were known!
00:26:07.000uh... in uh... japan and now they do and their government freaked out and said no autism was unheard of it was it was an unknown thing just a few decades ago now it's all over the place you go to the mall you see kids all over the place nodding their heads twiddling their fingers in front of their faces this is real people and I wanted to call into the show and I also wanted to make the point you know while I'm sitting there ...on hold before they came and screened my call and wouldn't let me on the air.
00:26:37.000I was thinking, hey, I'll point out that if we're all kooks, why did 99 plus percent of doctors and medical workers and police and firemen refuse a smallpox shot?
00:26:46.000Why did the government have to suspend the experimental anthrax shot they gave the troops, now admittedly killing a bunch of them and injuring many others?
00:27:04.000Especially if you've got them in these daycares, which is insane, with all the, you know, the big disease factory, because all the kids are on antibiotics, that only the superbacteria survive.
00:27:15.000It's like sick building syndrome, or sick hospital syndrome.
00:27:18.000You know, they always find the flesh-eating bacteria in the hospital.
00:27:22.000Because they're the most immune in that environment of vaccines and in that environment of all the antibiotics over-prescribed.
00:27:33.000Every time somebody gets flesh-eating bacteria, you know, they're in the army and they give people shots with the same needles out of those guns they claim are safe.
00:28:49.000A new Texas law that will allow unvaccinated children to attend public schools and daycare centers if their parents philosophically object to state immunization requirements has alarmed pediatricians and public health experts.
00:29:02.000The new measure, which was tacked to a mammoth health and human services reorganization bill, Well, that's been there forever.
00:29:09.000This is what's new in the law right here.
00:29:11.000to obtain a state health department form that would allow their children access into public schools upon notarization.
00:29:18.000Well, that's been there forever. This is what's new in the law right here.
00:29:23.000The new policy signed into law by Governor Rick Perry also prohibits a health and human services agency from taking
00:29:30.000punitive action against parents for not immunizing their children.
00:29:33.000That's the new law. But of course, below New World Order Dallas Morning News doesn't tell you that.
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00:31:56.000The police and firefighters and doctors.
00:32:00.000Because they know how dangerous it was.
00:32:02.000The evidence showed it was more dangerous than what the Feds had said.
00:32:06.000So, again, the New World Order can give its orders.
00:32:09.000The question is, are people going to follow those orders?
00:32:16.000Okay, let's go ahead and go to our guest, and then I'm going to get to, before this hour ends, Andy and Peter and Dan and many others that are patiently holding.
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00:35:54.000We don't, uh, censor people like the neocons and the liberals.
00:35:59.000We tell the truth and can defend ourselves because we have the facts.
00:36:04.000Now, Paul Joseph Watson, I became aware of his work a couple years ago when he started, uh, Propagandamatrix.com, and I don't work with a lot of people because A lot of folks get off into conspiracy theories, things they can't prove.
00:36:27.000They don't understand the manipulation and a full field view of the paradigm to see the lies, the different tricks they play in paradigm management, in psychological warfare.
00:36:38.000Paul Watson has a great grasp of this, and we think along very similar lines, which is a rarity, unfortunately.
00:36:46.000So I got Watson to start with our help, prisonplanet.com, and it has now gone, in just the last year, to being in the top 1% of patriot, conservative, constitutionalist websites.
00:37:06.000It is as big as Infowars.com was a year ago, only a year into its existence, and now Infowars.com has raced up the charts.
00:37:17.000Up there into the very highest percentile now with just a few dozen websites ahead of us that cover similar information.
00:37:24.000With tens of millions of visitors per month to both the websites.
00:37:30.000I'm giving you a status report out there on the front lines that our message is winning.
00:37:35.000That our war against the New World Order is very successful and that you can become leaders in this fight as well.
00:37:42.000But only in our little corner of the world we're having massive effect and there are tens of thousands of people fighting in a big way and millions fighting in small ways and together we're moving mountains.
00:37:55.000Most Americans now have heard the government carried out 9-1-1.
00:37:58.000Many Americans have investigated it and found out that it is in fact the truth.
00:38:04.000And just like Galileo was a kook for saying the world was round, just a decade later after his death, people, most people knew that it was round, and you were a kook to say it was flat.
00:38:15.000So, joining us is another radical, a man who believes the world is round, and believes the sun comes up in the morning, and believes government is corrupt, and needs to be watched and contained, Paul Joseph Watson.
00:38:28.000Paul, thanks for joining us from the United Kingdom.
00:39:07.000What turned the lightbulb on in Paul Joseph Watson's brain?
00:39:11.000Well, this ties into something you were discussing just a few minutes ago, actually.
00:39:17.000The idea of paradigm management or paradigm control.
00:39:22.000Basically, I woke up to the New World Order by realising that both left and right were controlled because originally I got into politics in the first place through the liberal channel, basically.
00:39:34.000Then I started to read some books which proved that both the left and the right were controlled, especially in relation to the biggest example that we can provide, which is the Cold War.
00:39:47.000Obviously, we know the work of Anthony Sutton, who's done a great job Now deceased, sadly, but he did a great job in exposing the fact that the Communists were actually funded from New York by the Capitalists.
00:40:00.000And I've got, just recently found an article, which hasn't been online or anywhere that I've seen, and it's way back in 1959, and it's from the Wisconsin Daily Journal, and the title of the article is, Kozlov leaving California for chilly Detroit.
00:40:20.000And it's an Associated Press article, and it goes on to explain how Kozlov, Romanovich Kozlov, who was Khrushchev's right-hand man, was invited in 1959 to Bohemian Grove.
00:40:34.000Obviously, your listeners are well aware of Bohemian Grove.
00:40:37.000And the quote in this Associated Press article is that he was wined and dined by the capitalists.
00:40:44.000And Kozlov actually stated that Into the first day of his trip, saying, business will be good, is the quote.
00:40:53.000And he was obviously discussing this with the capitalists.
00:40:56.000So we have Cruz Chess, right-hand man at the height of the Cold War, meeting with New York bankers at Bohemian Grove.
00:41:04.000Now, Paul, you told me about that about two weeks ago.
00:41:06.000Have we posted that yet on Prison Planet?
00:41:09.000Not yet, no, but in a few days or a week maximum, I will have a full article on that with a link to the original newspaper article.
00:41:19.000Now, continuing this line of discussion, and we're going to go to some calls and back into news, it's admitted that the Red Cross was used to bring 25 million in gold bullion, the equivalent of a billion at the time, when Lennon was about to fail in 1917.
00:41:35.000We know that I was watching the History Channel a couple years ago and almost fell out of my chair.
00:41:40.000They have the old CIA section chief, he was like 85 at the time now, He's bragging that, yeah, we actually put Mao into power.
00:41:47.000We thought it was a greater stabilizing effect.
00:41:49.000And then I have got CBS Classics off the CBS Classics channel.
00:41:57.000It's got McCarthy, right before he got burned, going, I have discovered that there is a global system, that there's a group above the communists, that the army is funding the communists.
00:42:07.000And that's when they all turned against McCarthy, and now the KGB files, the East German Stasi files have come out.
00:42:13.000Turns out it was, in fact, the Wall Street Journal reported, quote, McCarthy was right.
00:42:45.000I mean, during the Cold War, it was the Rockefellers and others that were funding, and Uncle Joe Stalin in our newspapers.
00:42:53.000The National Post of Canada, three weeks ago, the headline, The Ghost of Trotsky Walks the Halls of the White House, and it mentioned that all the neocon leaders, their fathers were all top Trotskyites.
00:43:05.000William Kristol's father was the head of the Communist Fourth International in this country.
00:43:11.000I mean, Paul, you can't make stuff up, it's so bizarre.
00:43:32.000Actually, I read today some excerpts from one of Anthony Sutton's books, who was the main exposer of this false paradigm.
00:43:40.000He was talking about the Hegelian dialectic and how left was played against right not just during the Cold War but afterwards to ensue that this would happen.
00:43:53.000I mean what it boils down to today is that you can be against illegal immigration but then you have to be pro-war or you can be anti-war but then you have to be pro-abortion which is
00:44:06.000obviously what the liberals are. And then on top of it you're not really
00:44:09.000against the war just the UN's got to authorize it. You're for the quote left-wing new
00:44:14.000world order so they bypass the discussion of we don't want a new world order
00:44:17.000they admit there is a new world order which they didn't admit five years ago but
00:44:21.000oh will it be a left-wing or right-wing new world order. A couple years ago
00:44:25.000I started seeing the position papers by the globalists saying this is how they
00:44:28.000were going to sell it to us and bypass any discussion but then look at Bush
00:44:32.000signing on to UNESCO United Nations Educational Cultural Organization who says
00:44:37.000quote the families of disease must be eradicated. Is that very conservative?
00:44:44.000And the fact is that before the war actually started, all the left-wing so-called alternative media websites were calling for anti-war protesters to wave the UN flag as they marched.
00:44:57.000And the UN and the Americans and the Germans and the French, their solution to avoiding the war was full-scale UN occupation anyway.
00:45:06.000So the end result was basically the same system.
00:46:22.000And I've seen articles from people that were putting out good information.
00:46:26.000I mean, I won't name any names, but now those same people are writing voluminous articles praising the virtues of John Kerry and how the Democrats will save us.
00:46:38.000And John Kerry, like George Bush, is a member of Gull and Bones.
00:47:49.000The lies come out, but then they're just whitewashed, and people don't take any action of them.
00:47:54.000And that conditions you to accept more of a kind of a revelation of the method, and that makes people think we've still got a free press, but you notice this all comes out after the war, then there'll be a new war, and it'll come out after the war, further degrading the government and how the people see
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00:52:05.000Andy in Ohio, then Peter, Dan, and others.
00:52:38.000I mean, it was getting thousands and thousands of listeners a day, but I just decided to concentrate on other things, but it may be back in the future.
00:52:46.000Okay, yeah, I really like the archives.
00:52:48.000The archives are really good on the website, too.
00:54:34.000Well, yeah, speaking about Marx, that again ties into how I woke up to the whole system, because when I went to university about two years ago, Marxist ideology was pushed as the accepted version of history.
00:54:48.000It was sort of a revisionist history, but with a communist bias.
00:54:52.000And then they tell you communism's dead as the system of big government spreads worldwide.
00:54:57.000It's just the control of the communist system is by private banks.
00:55:00.000Yeah, and I mean, you were talking about the firework ban earlier, which is again, sort of a communist sort of law, you know, big government.
00:55:09.000Because it might hurt somebody, we gotta ban it.
00:55:11.000Oh, we gotta have a satellite tracker box in your car if it saves one child.
00:55:15.000Yeah, and I mean, I was watching the news just before I came on today, and it showed a policeman with a hidden camera.
00:55:23.000And it showed a man smoking a cigarette and dropping the stub on the side of the street, and the policeman went up to him and said, that'll be a £50 fine, sir.
00:55:33.000So, again, these tiny laws that come in, again, condition us to accept the bigger laws that ban things like firearms.
00:55:41.000Exactly, and now in New York, they've been ordered to arrest people for any petty reason.
00:55:46.000It's about squeezing and getting us all into the system.
00:55:50.000Just out of Webster's Dictionary under Dialectic Materialism, a philosophy founded by Karl Marx which forms the basis of communist doctrine.
00:56:02.000It combines the materialistic idea of matter over mind with the Hegelian dialectic in which opposing forces are constantly being reunited at a higher level.
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00:57:37.000They got into the big RFID consortium website with Walmart and the Department of Defense
00:57:43.000using the, just trying random passcodes like "authorize."
00:57:49.000They got into some internal areas, all legally and lawfully, this was off the main site, no hacking involved.
00:57:55.000And I found out where they've used words like how they want to manipulate, how they want to neutralize us, how they want to destroy opposition to the RFID trackerships.
00:58:53.000Peter in Florida was bringing up the dialectic and dialectic materialism and how Karl Marx talked about taking so-called opposing forces and merging them over and over again, a system of psychological warfare.
00:59:06.000Go ahead and re-read that Webster's Dictionary definition, Peter.
00:59:09.000A philosophy founded by Karl Marx which forms the basis of communist doctrine.
00:59:18.000It combines the materialistic idea of matter over mind with the Hegelian dialect in which opposing forces are constantly being reunited at a higher level.
00:59:52.000Well, actually I was reading about this sort of topic earlier today.
00:59:57.000An Anthony Sutton excerpt from his Gull and Bones book, which I'll be posting on prisonplanet.com tomorrow, he talks about Marxism and Hegelianism.
01:00:08.000And he states that the answer to this seeming political puzzle lies in the Hegelian logic.
01:00:14.000Remember that both Marx and Hitler, the extremes of left and right, presented as textbook enemies, evolved out of the same philosophical system, Hegelianism.
01:00:24.000That brings screams of intellectual anguish from Marxists and Nazis, but is well known to any student of political systems.
01:00:32.000Well, Hitler socialized things, a big welfare system, he called himself a National Socialist, but they call it fascism when Hitler and Stalin were buddies.
01:00:40.000Again, the globalists try to give you two false choices, a left-wing UN, a right-wing UN, what type of world government, bypassing any discussion of, hey, we don't want a world government.
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01:05:38.000I'd also think that the way this is done, in fact, is the constant redefinition of meanings.
01:05:45.000It gives an example, in other words, good people do evil things, and evil people do good things.
01:05:51.000In other words, that premise... And now the good guys on all the sitcoms and dramas, they have to torture, but torture's now a good thing, and... Exactly.
01:06:00.000Right, the constant redefining of... and I'm just giving examples because it's more subtle than that.
01:06:06.000And the other thing... That's what Orwell talked about in the 11th edition of Ingsoc, where they're getting rid of whole words, where you can't use words.
01:06:37.000Something related to that came out just yesterday with the British ID card that's being introduced by stealth, even though 80% or more of the British people oppose it.
01:07:20.000And what I was going to say, you were talking about Unitarian before.
01:07:24.000The Unitarian is the most, it's not Muslim that's dangerous, the Unitarian is the most dangerous force out there.
01:07:29.000Well, Communitarian, and then they have their churches in our communities that are the Communitarian or Unitarian, and I've been to Unitarian churches before to see what they're doing.
01:07:39.000I mean, it's openly a Communist meeting.
01:07:42.000Each person has the truth within himself.
01:07:45.000So that means each person can make his own definition, and it's okay.
01:07:48.000That's what the most dangerous thing out there.
01:07:50.000But it's like a big change agent, though, because they all get led in a certain direction.
01:07:54.000Well, because it's like not standing on the ground.
01:07:57.000Once you're up in the air, you can get blown around with anything.
01:07:59.000Well, that's what O'Brien says to Winston in the Ministry of Love when they're torturing him.
01:08:04.000He says, you know, Winston says, well, you're not really holding up three fingers, but you say you want four or two or one.
01:08:09.000He goes, hey, We want you to where you see all fingers at all times and have no real thoughts, to where I could be a soap bubble floating up off the ground.
01:08:20.000I hope we're not getting too esoteric here, getting off into too much psychology.
01:08:25.000But the other thing I wanted to mention was that, under the disguise, we're very aware that the rights are being given up, but the communist influence of what's really going on is the responsibility is being handed over.
01:08:55.000Well yeah, we talked about communism and rights being given up.
01:08:58.000Obviously we know that communism was controlled anyway, but the fact is they are following the The so-called cream of communist and Nazi ideals merge together because left and right are the same system at the top.
01:09:12.000One of the major planks of this is the moral decline of society.
01:09:16.000You can go to the 45 goals of communism and find, and this has entered into the congressional record, And, um, number 25 actually states that present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal, natural, and healthy.
01:09:34.000Well that goes back to UNESCO saying the family's a disease, terminate it, but it's okay to say heterosexuals are a disease and should be terminated and call us breeders, but then it's okay for this group.
01:09:46.000See how, also, in their whole hate crimes lexicon, they get to be hateful but we can't counter that.
01:09:54.000There's all your redefinitions right there.
01:09:57.000Up is down, down is up, black is white, white is black.
01:10:00.000The family is the disease rather than the heart of any situation.
01:10:04.000Well the historical and basic common sense facts show that you're four to five times more likely in a single parent home to end up on drugs or in crime.
01:10:20.000And they know if you're degenerate, or you're on drugs, you're doing whatever, you're not going to care about your neighbor or corrupt government.
01:10:30.000You know, in the socialist system, materialism becomes more and more important.
01:10:33.000Not that material stuff is bad, but that when it's your God, and that comes first, past your family, and when you're so materialistic, you'll sell out Jesus Christ himself for twenty pieces of silver.
01:10:46.000That's materialism when you become Judas Iscariot.
01:10:51.000That's quite, and talking about degeneracy, I mean, the whole emphasis in the culture and on MTV is that they Put out that it's cool to be part of some kind of fad, whether that be fashion, music, whatever.
01:11:06.000And that masquerades itself as culture and free expression and freedom itself, when in actual fact it divides the population into different slave camps.
01:11:16.000I mean, we saw the analogy in the Pinocchio movie where some of them got decadent and ended up getting shipped off to slave camps.
01:11:25.000So it's important to rediscover what's really important morally to tackle the New World Order because that is a major attack on the degeneracy of culture and society.
01:11:38.000Well, I've used that example many times.
01:11:40.000They get the kids, they get them to engage in behaving as thugs.
01:11:45.000The establishment takes them out to this wonderland, gets them to party and steal and do all this and then that transforms them into beasts, mindless beasts that are then slaves of the system.
01:11:57.000And then you look into who's pushing all this, who was the financial backer behind feminism, and the same names crop up again and again.
01:12:06.000Gloria Steinem, in one of her own books, admits that this magazine was funded by the Central Intelligence Agency, and she was an active officer.
01:12:20.000And that's the main point to emphasize, that the New World Order itself is not only a political movement, it's a cultural movement.
01:12:28.000And at the lower levels, it's a societal brainwashing method.
01:12:32.000Well, yeah, I mean, if a woman wants to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist, I'm sure she can do a great job as good or better than a man.
01:12:40.000And they tried to brainwash women to do this, but their instincts, what their desire is switched back against them so the government's panicking.
01:12:47.000All these professional women now want to make money early so they can go be mommies at home and enjoy that incredible thing that God's created.
01:12:55.000But the CIA came in, it's admitted, broke up the family so they'd have women working in factories So they could have a higher tax bracket, the taxes at higher levels, so the kids would be in the daycare centers and the head start getting their vaccines, learning how to turn mommy and daddy in for owning a gun.
01:13:13.000And it came out that the whole 60s movement was part of that same agenda with the LSD.
01:13:18.000Yeah, the CIA released the patent on it.
01:13:20.000Leary was their agent the entire time.
01:13:24.000Again, conservatives would have been against the Vietnam War, but they would hire beatniks, and many of them known government agencies and now public folks.
01:13:32.000They would come into a town, spit on people, break windows, act like horrible beasts, and then the conservatives would go, well, this war must be good if these guys are out here doing this.
01:13:44.000And those beatniks later became conservative talk show hosts like Michael Savage.
01:13:51.000And you notice then in the redefinition he gets fired off MSNBC for saying something about a group and engaging in the First Amendment.
01:14:01.000But it's bad to talk about the homosexuals, but not bad to say put anyone in a forced labor camp that disagrees with the government.
01:14:19.000And he engaged in inciting violence by saying attack peace protesters.
01:14:24.000Now it doesn't matter if these protesters are left-wing.
01:14:27.000I mean, advocating attacking them is Not really acceptable.
01:14:31.000I mean, the comment that he made that he got sacked for is a complete distraction from what he said before, which is now being pushed under the rug.
01:14:39.000Yeah, it's saying put everybody in a camp, or slaver camp, take their assets, if they disagree with the government, and then now we see the Deputy Attorney General of California, Mike Van Winkle, agreeing, he's a liberal, saying protests may not be allowed because protesting a war aids the terrorist.
01:14:55.000Now the Republicans are with Gray Davis.
01:14:59.000Let's say Arnold Schwarzenegger runs and wins.
01:15:01.000He's for gun control, he's for abortion, his father was a top Gestapo captain who arrested people, Later became the police chief of a major city?
01:15:13.000And by the way, Schwarzenegger in a Rolling Stone interview about eight years ago said he'd like to be the head of a federal police force.
01:15:21.000Yeah, and then you get... I mean, obviously Schwarzenegger's been in these films like The Running Man, where he was a so-called freedom fighter, so brainwashed conservatives think that he's actually standing up for freedom and morality when he's the archetypal neocon, pro-abortion, pro-police state.
01:15:40.000And then it doesn't matter if you've got Davis or him, same deal.
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01:21:11.000I really appreciate your work and how well cited and documented it is.
01:21:17.000On your latest film, which is real good by the way, one of the most poignant parts of it was, I guess it was on 6th Street, being a Texas girl.
01:21:33.000Yeah, the guys in the ski masks refusing, covering their badges up with tape.
01:21:37.000Yeah, Paul, you would have appreciated it.
01:21:39.000They could have been in front of Buckingham Palace.
01:21:41.000Yeah, they wouldn't say anything back.
01:21:45.000Yeah, what can we do as citizens to, as a cause, to stop that kind of action and cause them to wear identification?
01:21:59.000Well, we went to the City Council and pointed out, Mike Hanson dug out the actual law, that if they're not an undercover work, they were violating state law.
01:22:08.000And if they do it willingly... That's a pretty public place there on 6th Street.
01:22:11.000If they do it multiple times willingly, it becomes a felony.
01:22:14.000It's a misdemeanor if they do it unwittingly.
01:23:25.000Oh, Alex, a friend of yours and I were talking about owls the other day, and, you know, the Bohemian Grove thing with the owl statue and all that, and I had never heard the term molex.
01:23:41.000So I happen to have a metaphysical Bible dictionary from the Unity Church, and it's kind of interesting Molek is Hebrew for King, Ruler, Counselor, or Judge.
01:23:55.000But the metaphysical description of it is the ruling of public opinion and of the mind of the flesh in one's consciousness.
01:24:06.000Children being sacrificed in the fire to this God signifies one's mentally burning and destroying of new ideas by letting fear of or deep regard for What other persons may think, i.e., public opinion.
01:24:22.000And that's what they did in the ceremonial cremation of care.
01:24:24.000They bring the bound effigy of a child.
01:25:01.000Well, Alex, I've just, um, and anyone can do this, it's on the internet right now, I've just typed in Molek to dictionary.com and the very first definition is, quote, in the Bible, the God of the Canaanites and Phoenicians to whom children were sacrificed, and that's dictionary.com, the biggest referral site on the internet, so anyone can see that right now.
01:25:50.000Along with public opinion, or swaying public opinion, with the prejudices, customs, and desires outer man of the flesh rule in one's life to the extent
01:26:01.000that one refuses or neglects to give place or expression to these new and
01:27:23.000I'm about to go to your calls and into more of this news.
01:27:27.000Before I go any further, I do want to encourage the listeners to visit Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com to go to the Secure online shopping cart, and to order my documentary films, to make copies of them for non-profit, not-for-sale purposes, to air them on AXS TV, to get them out to talk show hosts and opinion makers and preachers, public officials and authorities in your area now, because a lot of them are good old boys and are corrupt.
01:27:52.000But they have no idea what they're part of, the bigger system they're part of.
01:27:56.000They need to see the crimes of the globalists.
01:27:59.000The globalists own and run the dominant media and spin this system, but if we put their crimes end-to-end, they would circle the planet hundreds of times.
01:28:29.000government plans to carry out terror attacks like Operation Northwoods, what really happened in Oklahoma City, the first World Trade Center, the second World Trade Center attacks on 9-1-1, where the globalists are going in the future, the police state, Homeland Security, the Patriot Act.
01:28:58.000We have Police State 3 Total Enslavement that gets into dozens of other examples of government-sponsored terror we don't cover in the other two films.
01:29:06.000And then it gets more into Homeland Security, Total Information Awareness Network, Patriot Act 2.
01:29:12.000It gets into government-run white slavery rings.
01:30:35.000What, next Thursday or Friday they're going to have their 129th ritual.
01:30:41.000And Helmut Schmidt, we have his own publication, his own book, Men and Powers, close up of the cover, close up to the page numbers and subsections.
01:31:17.000Then we have video of the ritual itself.
01:31:19.000Paul, you want to comment on Skull and Bones and the occult?
01:31:22.000Being behind this, whether people want to admit it or not, then we'll take some calls.
01:31:28.000Well yeah, just a side note, the popularity of your videos, which you were just mentioning, are proven by the fact that the bandwidth for PrisonPlanet.com is something ridiculous like 129%, simply because most of your videos are actually posted online in the video section, which again is another, you know, point.
01:31:48.000Describe how many gigs the Prison Planet's using.
01:31:53.000Well, obviously, Dwayne Cootes has got some systems that can handle massive surges of bandwidth, but InfoWars.com, now it probably gets double the amount of hits that PrisonPlanet.com gets, obviously, because it's been around longer.
01:32:08.000But InfoWars.com is on about 11% of the maximum, because they've got these massive systems that can handle it.
01:32:16.000But PrisonPlanet.com I'm having to pay for that.
01:32:19.000estimate that I got is actually on 129% of its maximum.
01:32:24.000And that's because we've got a lot of videos and obviously audio of the interviews that
01:32:41.000They always take them down after a while when a million people come through.
01:32:45.000Literally, we put up a clip of payoffs at the Texas Capitol a couple years ago that I caught on tape, and it got linked on the NRA's website, and gun owners, and Eaton Bear Arms, and like a million people watched it, a million hits of it, and it was like $1,000 a day or something.
01:33:27.000In your research of Bohemian Grove or Skull and Bones, you just mentioned the AP article from the 50s you found that you'll be posting tomorrow, Associated Press, where you have the communist leaders going to the Grove in the 50s.
01:33:43.000Obviously, you have to pay for the access to dig back in the archives 50 years.
01:33:48.000But it's associated to a press article out of the Wisconsin Daily Journal, July 6, 59.
01:33:53.000So obviously it's around this time period, back when Bohemian Grove were actually meeting in 59.
01:34:01.000And it says, quote, the Soviet Union's first deputy premier today winds up a stay in California during which he was wined and dined by capitalists.
01:34:12.000And it goes on to describe how the rest of the political spectrum were very opposed to his Just his visit, and this was covered in other newspapers.
01:34:21.000Well, who was one of the top folks at the Grove in 59 but Prescott Bush, grandfather of the Fool's Society president we have now?
01:34:28.000What do you think about that Brotherhood group that just came out with Ashcroft and others and congressmen living in buildings together and saying Hitler was good?
01:34:37.000Did you see all that came out in the Harpers?
01:34:40.000Yeah, and these are the sort of groups that are even above groups like Skull and Bones.
01:34:46.000The ones that, you know, haven't come out in published newspapers.
01:34:49.000You know, it's funny, that just came out about the Brotherhood, and when I was having to make arguments with, you know, just about their power, we already knew about them, a few months ago in Kansas City, with the guy that wrote The Unseen Hand, Ralph Epperson, was saying, no, the top group's the Brotherhood.
01:35:05.000They've got all these interlocking groups, as Tax Mars has documented, they're all members of the same groups.
01:35:10.000And people sometimes don't believe the sort of rituals and practices that go on at places like Bohemian Grove but I've got a Washington Post article here from June 1997 and it talks about how then Secretary of State George Shultz actually proposed to his wife at Bohemian Grove and it goes on to casually mention that Last month, Schultz gave her a ruby diamond and sapphire engagement ring that would be red, white and blue and popped the question at San Francisco's Bohemian Club in July, he'll repair for the club's rustic camp at the Bohemian Grove where men often romp naked.
01:35:51.000And that's an exact quote out of the Washington Post six years ago.
01:35:56.000Well, also, that would mean meeting at the clubhouse in downtown San Francisco in an ornately built building with gargoyles on it.
01:36:36.000I mean, with that, obviously we're talking about people labeling as conspiracy theorists.
01:36:42.000We're talking about stuff that's in the mainstream newspapers. I mentioned
01:36:47.000earlier this process, what some people call externalization of the hierarchy, and this is
01:36:52.000whereby the agenda and the forces behind it are so blatant that the process, their entire
01:36:59.000agenda is openly visible. And I mean, that makes it so easy to run a website like Prison
01:37:05.000Planet, because there's so much information out there on a day to day basis. Well, a month
01:37:10.000ago, Rumsfeld accepted the Doolittle Award, you know, after the famous guy who flew the B-23s or
01:37:16.000B-24s off the front aircraft carriers to bomb Tokyo.
01:37:20.000And he said, oh, I got a chance to meet dude a little at the Bohemian Grove.
01:37:23.000Yeah, and I mean, you go to the newspaper archive website and just type in Bohemian Grove and you get like 300 articles spanning Right back to, I mean, if you type in Illuminati, you can get London Times articles from 1898 talking about German Illuminati and how it had infiltrated the Christian church in the Greek.
01:37:46.000John Quincy Adams had a band that said that a secret German society was taking over.
01:37:51.000The founding fathers that were Masons all quit.
01:38:24.000Anyone can go to Google and type in New World Order and check that every day, and articles every single day pop up where people are talking about a New World Order.
01:38:33.000Sydney Morning Herald, Moscow Times, Associated Press, MSNBC, Yeah, whether that be in Russia, China, France, or in America.
01:38:42.000I mean, you get stories like, conservative push for a new world order, neo-conservative.
01:38:49.000And those sort of articles are on there every day, and yet, we're still conspiracy theorists to say that new world order exists.
01:38:58.000Talk about double-think, that's 1984, where they say one day you're at war with East Asia, and then the same newscast say we've never been at war with them, and then say we have been at war with them, and then if you say, hey, that's saying different things, you're crazy, they come arrest you.
01:39:11.000Yeah, and we get that sort of thing with the so-called nations that the neocons are planning to invade.
01:39:17.000One week they're our allies, and the next week they're our enemies, and Libya in particular.
01:39:23.000Well, they're giving North Korea nuclear reactors and weapons parts while saying they're going to nuke us, and it's just crazy.
01:40:14.000Actually, not a question, but more or less like a statement about You know, the form of governments and everything.
01:40:24.000The political spectrum, as we've been believed and learned, is that we stay in the middle of the road, and democracy's in the middle, and everything's on the left and the right.
01:40:47.000Well, the anarchist system is basically at one extreme end of the political spectrum.
01:40:54.000Republicanism is quite a way before that, but obviously before democracy.
01:40:59.000But again, this whole paradigm is staged.
01:41:01.000It's about freedom or command and control.
01:41:04.000And you get these anarchists that call for, you know, revolution.
01:41:07.000It's about collectivism versus individualism.
01:41:11.000It's a Fabian society, basically, what we have.
01:41:13.000It's Fabian socialism that's being moved towards the left.
01:41:17.000Yeah, the whole political spectrum of the world has been moving left for several decades.
01:41:23.000And the right acts like the money is against socialism, when in truth they finance it because they need a large government that they control the levers of to control the population and confiscate wealth and control society and set the parameters.
01:41:36.000But the real political spectrum You could put either point on the left or right, okay?
01:41:58.000Very close to anarchy, about 90% towards it in the spectrum, is the Constitutional Republic, the rule of law.
01:42:08.000Then in the middle of that spectrum, you have your democracy.
01:42:11.000But once you hit the middle of the democracy, you're already in the gravitational pull of the tyranny, and you accelerate at light speed towards the heavenly body of tyranny that has a political gravitational vortex, or black hole function, sucking you towards it.
01:42:26.000So you've got to always try to escape from the command and control, like you're a spaceship, in an analogy, at full thrust.
01:42:34.000Racing towards anarchy, trying to reach the Republic, and then maintain the Republic, always being pulled back towards despotism, as our founding father said.
01:42:44.000Well then you've got all the anarchist useful idiots that are in fact propping up the agenda of the globalists.
01:42:51.000I mean, I even read an article the other day where the top, the main traffic, you know, anarchist websites, the biggest ones on the internet, will refuse any articles on Bilderberg because they see it as an anti-semitic right-wing conspiracy theory, when we had the BBC reporting just four days ago on it.
01:43:11.000Yeah, see, they put that label You know, we criticize Russia, China, New York, whoever, and then you say Israel's doing something corrupt.
01:43:18.000And so the anarchists are all wearing red stars, they're really communist, and then when you really got, you know, the founder of Bilderberg was an admitted top Nazi, Prince Bernhardt, and then, oh, you talk bad about him, you're anti-Semitic.
01:43:34.000Yeah, and I mean, BBC did a report on Bilderberg just four days ago, and BBC had You know, mainly center-left, as you would call it, on the controlled paradise.
01:43:43.000Yeah, but the anarchists, I mean, look, most of the anarchists are federal officers.
01:43:56.000Okay, let's go ahead, because again, there's no difference.
01:43:58.000Let's go ahead and, you know, we were just talking about anarchy, you know, is what we're, you know, is on the other end of the political spectrum.
01:44:03.000This isn't real anarchy they're talking about.
01:44:59.000And I am going to throw out a few of the other headlines we haven't hit on, though we've covered most of them in the discussion.
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01:48:33.000They've now gotten in with a password into stuff that was not really protected on the big Biometrics Consortium website, Walmart, Department of Defense, publicly are parts of it, and it talks about how they're going to dumb you down, how they're going to manipulate you.
01:48:49.000And the documents posted on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
01:48:52.000What they got off of the government's website, it's supposedly private, with Walmart and the Defense Department of how to quote neutralize the public's anger over this, how to manipulate the public.
01:49:05.000So that's coming up, and Watson's going to ride shotgun with us right now.
01:49:09.000Let's go back to the calls, and I'm going to hold our next guest off about eight minutes into the next hour so we can get to everybody.
01:49:14.000Randy in North Carolina, make your point real quick, then I'm going to go to Wyatt, Alan, Joan, and others.
01:49:47.000And the next time these people over here in Europe and the rest of the world are freed, they will not be freed by United States military as it is right now, sir.
01:49:56.000They'll be freed by people like you and me and the gentleman that owns the air time right now.
01:50:27.000Online supporters of Democratic presidential hopeful Dick Gephardt appear to have trouble organizing.
01:50:32.000Recent email exchanges reveal his official campaign tried to have a grassroots meeting, several of them online.
01:50:38.000When less than five people showed up, they canceled it.
01:50:41.000They can't even get five of their dumb minions, and Bush has trouble too, to meet up on some online chat.
01:50:47.000That shows their grassroots support, whereas we can't grow anymore because we're getting too many people visiting us.
01:50:54.000Paul, that shows that we've got the grassroots, they've got the illusion.
01:50:58.000I talk to big newspaper writers, they get one or two emails a day, I get thousands a day.
01:51:03.000We've got the people, they just haven't figured out their leaders yet, Paul.
01:51:07.000That's the point, and all the big mainstream news websites are now going to subscription.
01:51:11.000And it's not working out for them, because they're hit the dwindling week by week, and they hit the alternative websites that are going up in droves.
01:51:21.000And a new Gallup poll shows that only 32% of the American people trust the mainstream media, 80 plus percent trust the alternative media.
01:51:29.000Yeah, and we've also got a poll out of the London Times today which fits into the same context.
01:51:34.000There's voters losing faith in Blair over Iraq war.
01:51:38.000And 80 plus percent are against the national ID card and the Euro, but he doesn't care.
01:51:42.000But yeah, the government tried to suppress the votes against the National ID Card because they had a big online poll and it was 89% against or even more.
01:51:53.000Then they tried to claim they lost it, but it turned out they hadn't.
01:52:01.000Listen, the independence day that came on the movie with Will Smith, it's a complete Illuminati New World Order movie.
01:52:09.000You have a common threat That global destruction by an outside enemy and then the entire world unites to defeat it.
01:52:22.000Also, the movie is completely and entirely filled with special effects, if you still frame it, frame by frame, with Illuminati symbolism, pyramids that are all through the movie... Well, I agree.
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01:53:39.000As we ended the last segment in the second hour, Wyatt Maryland, who joins us, and my webmaster from PrisonPlanet.com, Paul Joseph Watson joins us, who are talking about Illuminati symbolism and conditioning.
01:53:52.000They admit that one of the former sub-directors of the CIA wrote the movie The Exorcist and put hidden images in the film, subliminals.
01:54:11.000That was in the Times of London and everywhere.
01:54:13.000Gotta find that again, watch it and post it.
01:54:15.000But this new Matrix movie is full of subliminals.
01:54:18.000I was catching them just watching the film.
01:54:21.000uh... got nauseated watching it and uh... total new world order in your face revelation of the method the grand architect is the head of it you know the the masonic lucifer paradigm and then now these kids just like Harrison Kleibel wanted to go on a giant killing spree and were obsessed with the movie matrix and uh... Wyatt you were talking about independence day I got Reagan on video he did say an outside threat from another planet attacking us would unify us The Bilderberg Group has talked about this.
01:54:49.000I don't get into flying saucers and aliens, but the Kansas City Star and, before that, Wired Magazine reported that this Rothschild consultant, the former chief of staff for Clinton, are behind this, quote, disclosure project to tell us that the UFOs are real.
01:55:05.000That's Project Iron Mountain to, quote, have this outside threat to get us unified.
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02:01:48.000Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering.
02:01:52.000They've broken dozens of major stories about how these supermarket discount cards really rip you off, how they share and sell the data, the governments involved, RFIDs we've been covering here for years, the small radio frequency identification tracker tags, The Cashless Society, Control Grid, the Biometrics, all of it.
02:02:11.000And they have just broken a massive story, riding shotgun with us for another 30 minutes or so, is Paul Joseph Watson, my webmaster.
02:02:19.000He's also an author of Order Out of Chaos.
02:02:22.000He's joining us here, and I know we have some callers holding.
02:02:25.000Let me give you some background on this and read the Commworld July 8th news story today.
02:02:33.000I also have another article here out of the Associated Press covering this, and another one out of Line 56 newspaper.
02:02:43.000consumer group opposing the rollout of RFID tags has grabbed a bunch of documents from an RFID industry site and mirrored them, and we've posted them too on Infowars.com, and what it says is an attempt to expose the industry's intended publicity campaigns.
02:03:52.000The documents cited by Cryptome, however, have been interpreted as evidence of negative attitude towards consumers.
02:03:59.000They speak of a need to pacify consumers when unfavorable RFID tagging news stories emerge and look for ways to, quote, neutralize opposition.
02:04:09.000The RFID industry has for some time focused on its publicity on supply chain issues and away from consumer tracking.
02:04:16.000Though earlier last year, Walmart told the USA Today that it was about tracking you, so that they've already been caught.
02:04:23.000Partly because of privacy concerns reflected in a survey in the Caspian documents, which shows 78% of consumers in America are worried that tags will invade their privacy.
02:04:31.000However, the industry is also to deal with considerable consumer ignorance and Scaremongering, for instance, the consumers fear that health impacts of RFID tags, presuming, I guess, the microwatts the tags momentarily use to communicate are somehow more dangerous than holding a more powerful transmitter against your ear.
02:05:31.000I know you've got copies of the documents.
02:05:34.000Tell us exactly what you've discovered in the incredibly arrogant statements.
02:05:37.000But frankly, from when you were on three weeks ago, you heard similar statements.
02:05:41.000And a lot of biblical references when you were up in Chicago at their big consortium meeting.
02:05:47.000Yeah, well, you know, the thing that's been happening is behind the scenes since 1999 when this Auto-ID Center first got founded.
02:05:53.000And to put this in perspective for your listeners, by the way, the Auto-ID Center, the folks who had this gaping security hall where we were able to just go in and see all these embarrassing and confidential documents, They're actually, you know, it could be argued that they are one of the most powerful organizations in the world right now in terms of futuristic technology.
02:06:11.000Well, they're connected to all the people.
02:06:12.000Walmart got the barcode to become universal in the 80s.
02:06:16.000They're doing it again by them forcing all of their manufacturers to adopt this.
02:06:23.000Walmart being one of the sponsors of the Auto ID Center, it's comprised of now more than a hundred different organizations and companies, product manufacturers, retailers all around the world.
02:06:34.000They have gotten together and for, as I said, the last three years have been meeting secretly behind closed doors in these meetings having discussions And that is the definition of racketeering, I will say it.
02:06:44.000They are colluding to change industry and to make us accept the new system with additional costs as well.
02:06:50.000This is racketeering, setting up a new industry, and then it has the privacy implications.
02:06:55.000Well, and the problem here is it would be one thing if they were meeting behind closed doors to talk about, oh, I don't know, new forms of forklifts or something to develop for the warehouse.
02:07:03.000But what they have developed is something that has the potential to influence every single human being on the planet.
02:08:08.000It talks about hijacking jet airliners to crash them to blame on foreign enemies.
02:08:12.000I mean, the stuff that gets leaked by government and quasi-government, tell us about the group and exactly who's in it and what's in the documents.
02:08:20.000Well, these documents contain everything from board meetings that are confidential, secret PowerPoint presentations that they have given to, say, everyone from the Department of Transportation.
02:08:30.000It has references to meetings with Homeland Security Chief Tom Ridge.
02:08:35.000It has references to trials, actual store-level trials where they're putting these ...tagging devices into actual products that people are taking home with them.
02:08:44.000This has been vehemently denied in the media, and yet these internal documents openly state and specify that this is happening.
02:08:50.000This is massive, and you talked about it at the public meeting in Chicago.
02:08:54.000They said, if we can get Homeland Security to endorse this for security, now they're saying they want all the cows and sheep to have this, federal inspectors, a whole new level of bureaucracy, a security clearance to have any job.
02:09:13.000And I watched this live, and he was meeting with corporate heads, and he talked about this control grid.
02:09:18.000Well, and I think that this is one of the concerns, is that, you know, the companies involved in this would tell you that their only concern is better efficiency in the supply chain, that they're only worried about warehouses and, you know, transporting things more efficiently.
02:09:35.000Yeah, and one of the things that you'll see on here, and let me just re-read that quote that I mentioned last time we were on together, Alex, and this is a quote by Larry Kellum.
02:09:44.000He's the Director of B2B Supply Chain Innovation for Procter & Gamble.
02:09:48.000He gave a whole presentation about how item-level tagging is going to be the future of RFID.
02:09:56.000Now, item-level tagging is actually putting one of these tiny remote transmitter chips on every consumer product manufactured in the world.
02:10:19.000They've been putting it in the packaging, but the potential is quite large that they would put this right into... I mean, for some things, the packaging may as well be the product.
02:10:30.000Yes, and we have seen schematic diagrams, and that has been going forward to the best of my knowledge.
02:10:35.000Let me stop you, Catherine, because we've got Paul Watson here, and we're so honored to have you.
02:10:38.000I know I'm jumping in a lot, just adding 10 minutes, and I want to get into what the documents actually say in the next segment, but let's bring Paul Watson, our researcher from England, on.
02:10:45.000Paul, any comments to what Catherine's saying?
02:10:48.000Well, you mentioned the first interview with Catherine, and anyone can go online and listen to that now at prisonplanet.com in the audio section, June 20th interview.
02:10:58.000But also, we posted just yesterday a picture which one of our Prison Planet columnists actually took personally from Walmart, and it reads, and you can go online and see this now, To our valued customers, for your protection, and to bring you low prices, we use closed circuit televisions and electronic merchandise tagging systems.
02:11:21.000And that picture's on prisonplanet.com right now.
02:11:28.000And the problem here with Walmart is that they're putting these hidden reader devices in shelves and in floor tags.
02:11:33.000We actually have a document that states this is happening now.
02:11:36.000They have vehemently denied it in interviews with reporters.
02:11:40.000So they're scanning you as you walk around inside the store, and you said the cameras watch you when you pick up the Gillette razors?
02:11:45.000Well, that is one of their stated plans, absolutely.
02:11:48.000And let me give you a list of products that we have a document right here that specifies, at Walmart, in Phase 3 testing, they are testing Caress Soap, Right Guard Aerosol Deodorant, Pantene shampoo, Huggies, baby wipes, Coca-Cola 2 liter bottles, and of course Gillette products.
02:12:06.000Now, when you look at this document that talks about Walmart doing this, it actually says that for each of these products, they're doing a shelf read.
02:12:13.000Now, a shelf read means actually reading the items on the shelf.
02:12:17.000So this means that the tags must be in the items themselves in order to do that.
02:12:21.000They're in the items themselves, and they said they weren't doing that.
02:12:24.000Well, one of the other ones is a floor reader.
02:12:26.000There's a reference to a floor read for Coca-Cola.
02:12:29.000And the question we are now raising is we actually, I have in my possession right here, right now, a pair of shoes.
02:12:35.000by the company, a company called Footstar, and right on the tag it says, attention, our products have theft detection devices embedded, which will be deactivated at the register or at the service desk.
02:12:47.000So if you combine that with floor readers, you have the potential to read people through their shoes.
02:12:52.000After they leave, and in San Francisco they're using an RFID to begin taxation off the toll roads, turning the entire city into toll roads, San Mato times, three weeks ago.
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02:18:03.000And now they went to their website and the idiots had whole areas that were accessible that said You know, classified, not for distribution, internal, and going over these documents, and Paul Watson, jump in any time, these documents you've gotten, Catherine, are just bombshell, and of course you've got them and excerpts of them on your website, and we'll talk about that in a few minutes, and how folks access them.
02:18:35.000I mean, not just how they're already in the shoes and stuff and going to read you.
02:18:38.000I mean, there was a Washington Post article last year saying they already have pressure plates and cameras that read your eye movement, how long you watch something for psychological algorithms to be built, psychological dossiers on us.
02:18:51.000I don't know if you saw that article where they admitted all this, but what about their statements about pacifying us and about neutralizing opposition and manipulating the public?
02:19:03.000Sure, I think one of the big problems that the Auto ID Center and hence all the over 100 companies affiliated with it have right now is they have an enormous problem with consumers right now.
02:19:15.000percent as you mentioned earlier seventy eight percent of consumers
02:19:18.000uh... that they that they studied in their own internal documents
02:19:22.000have turned up saying that they are extremely concerned or somewhat concerned
02:19:26.000about privacy invasion associated with this technology
02:19:30.000sixty one percent are concerned about uh... electromagnetic energy
02:19:36.000affecting their physical health so they've got a big problem and their big problem is
02:19:40.000called a public relations So they have called in heavy hitter PR firm Fleishman Hillard to devise a PR strategy for them.
02:19:49.000And one of the things, they've actually done two things.
02:19:52.000They called in Fleishman Hillard to say, come up with a PR strategy for us.
02:19:55.000The second thing, they actually studied a whole bunch of consumers all around the world in Japan, Germany, England, the United States, France.
02:20:03.000And what they found was in every case that the people they surveyed did not like the technology.
02:20:08.000In that particular document, Helen Deuce, who is their researcher over there in England, she actually comes right out and says, well, and in fact at the November board meeting where all these guys got together again behind closed doors to talk about this, she presented the results of the study and from what I have been told, her comment was, well, we've got some good news and some bad news.
02:20:28.000The bad news is that people really don't like this technology.
02:21:14.000I mean, Catherine mentioned the fact that this same system is being implemented in, you know, what we call the Echelon countries, specifically my country.
02:21:22.000But people in this country say, oh well, we haven't got a Walmart over here, so they're not introducing it.
02:21:27.000But Walmart, in fact, owned the major supermarket store over here, which is Asda.
02:21:32.000But it's the same system being implemented across all those countries.
02:21:35.000It's interesting that We're talking about these documents that have just been released that lay the groundwork and the quote I read out of one of the stories that came out today is that these companies talked about how they would manage the release of negative stories about RFID which mirrors
02:22:08.000so now they've got a direct apathy, think about how arrogant they are to you and your family folks
02:22:13.000uh... katherine Let me tell you one of the ways that this is actually a strategic, an element of their strategic plan, is to encourage apathy.
02:22:21.000One of the things in the Fleshman-Hiller document, or one of the many Fleshman-Hiller documents we have obtained, they actually say, emphasize in all public communications with the press, the inevitability of this technology.
02:22:33.000So emphasize, you know, it's coming, it's inevitable, there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.
02:23:55.000Order Outta Chaos that I'm publishing.
02:23:57.000I know we got Joan and Bob and Bill and others that are holding.
02:24:00.000Your calls are coming up in a few minutes.
02:24:01.000I am hyperventilating over this issue.
02:24:03.000This is such a key area in the fight for liberty.
02:24:06.000It's like open borders, gun control, RFID, cashless society, biometrics.
02:24:11.000These are all the top, most important issues, strategic things we've got to stop the globalists from putting in.
02:24:17.000And, Paul Watson, I'm giving you a mission, my friend.
02:24:20.000I don't just want an audio file of this interview with Catherine up on the website.
02:24:26.000I am asking our listeners, three or four of you that do this, calling all cars, I want a transcript of this interview posted because Greg Pallast and others at the BBC have posted them.
02:24:37.000The transcripts of this show get published in major newspapers around the world.
02:24:41.000I don't know why I guess the interviews are so insightful with these great guests.
02:24:45.000Listeners, you know who you are, email it to Watson, okay?
02:24:50.000Because at the time, we get so many thousands a day, sometimes I won't see it the first day.
02:24:54.000Email it to tips at infowars.com and what's in the transcript of this, where should they email it to you to get it posted so millions of listeners can email it out to folks?
02:25:03.000Listeners can email it to paul at propaganda matrix dot com and I'll get that.
02:25:09.000Alright, and we'll publish it under the Prison Planet headline.
02:25:26.000Before we go any further and go to these calls, who got the incredible idea at Caspian to go to the site, to snoop around, not hack it, but just look around and find their classified documents of this governmental quasi-private group setting up this racketeering takeover?
02:25:45.000How did you get in and get this and tell us about some of the other secret documents you've gotten?
02:25:49.000Well, let me tell you, Alex, what I think is the most disturbing part of this whole thing is that here are the people who reassure us that we can trust them to put these tagging devices in everything we come in contact with, that we can trust them because they are going to use Internet security.
02:26:06.000And this is actually a quote from one of their documents, their public relations documents out to the public saying, hey, you know, well, what about security?
02:26:13.000Isn't that going to be an issue when you put RFID tags in everything and you're tracking everything through the Internet and through these massive databases?
02:26:19.000Their response has been, uh, you don't have to worry about that.
02:26:43.000But for many months, and potentially even years, you could type in whatever you wanted and you would get access to their internal documents.
02:26:51.000These people do not have a clue about security.
02:26:53.000They do not have the first idea of how to protect their own sensitive information.
02:26:58.000Well, Catherine, Catherine, now they're going to tie us all into this grid.
02:27:01.000They're the people, this same grid, same companies, Walmart and others, that had pushed for the social security numbers as an identifier everywhere now.
02:27:09.000They admit that has caused the proliferation of identity theft.
02:27:14.000And now they're opening a bigger Pandora's box and they'll offer more tracking and tracing and I mean this is incredible.
02:27:22.000I have to say the amount of, I mean the idea of leaving these bozos in charge of my personal data being collected on me everywhere I went through RFID tags is enough to send chills down my spine.
02:27:32.000I'm not just talking about Massive corporations or government entities that might want to use it against me, but I'm talking even, you know, you don't even have to be a hacker to access this kind of information.
02:27:41.000Any criminal could go online, if they had everything online, and, you know, download anything they wanted about you.
02:27:51.000They are dangerous because they don't see the future they're creating.
02:27:54.000They are dangerous because they don't take reasonable, even common sense, precautions.
02:27:59.000Even to protect their own selves, which is where, you know, clearly they have an interest in that.
02:28:03.000A criminal can also scan boxcars, warehouses, homes, and find out what you've got inside.
02:28:09.000They admit that a lot of these can transmit over distances between 2 feet and 100 yards is what I've read in the mainstream news.
02:28:16.000And remember, this all comes on the heels of the Total Information Awareness Network getting announced by the convicted felon, Admiral Poindexter, with their all-seeing-eye logo of the Pyramid.
02:28:28.000And the Pentagon said, everything you buy, you sell, your email, what you say, will be put in this grand database.
02:28:36.000And then now you've got Ridge and these documents meeting with them.
02:28:39.000You go to their public meetings and they say, we've got to get Homeland Security to be behind this and pushing it.
02:28:45.000Tell us about those secret documents, please.
02:28:47.000Well, the quote I wanted to read you about Larry Kellum said, if we get a declaration from Homeland Security that this is the step we need to take to protect the food supply, that's the step that will move this technology forward.
02:28:59.000We're already hearing that out of Ridge.
02:29:01.000And that was in reference to item-level tagging, which means putting remote tracking devices on every item in the food chain.
02:29:08.000And you said you got shoes that already have this in it?
02:31:11.000The first and second phases are now complete.
02:31:14.000They are now in the middle of Phase 3, and Phase 3 is item-level tagging, among other things, meaning putting these into individual items, seeing how consumers interact with them, seeing how the stores and readers interact with them, seeing what happens when they try to read many dozens of things at a time on a shelf in a store.
02:31:32.000Here are the products, and I hope we do get a transcript of this, because I would like this to be made public.
02:31:37.000Here are the products that are being tagged Currently, it says Summer of 2003.
02:31:41.000Procter & Gamble is tagging Bounty Towels and Pantene Shampoo.
02:31:48.000It says Cape Girardieu Factory, Iowa City, D.C.
02:32:44.000Now when I look at another chart here from their internal documents, it says Caress soap 6-pack, Pantene shampoo 750 milliliter bottle.
02:32:54.000On the right, it says Walmart running vertically down between all of these products, meaning that these are all being tested at Walmart right now.
02:33:25.000Now, floor readers, I think, are one of the biggest concerns we face with this technology, Alex, because it has already been demonstrated through research that has been done, associated with the Auto-ID Center, that these reader devices can be embedded into floor tiles and carpet, meaning that if Now, and by the way, the read range on these, the read range really doesn't go beyond about 20, 30 feet unless you put a battery in it or unless you hack around a little.
02:33:51.000The read range typically is, I would say, between 5, 10, 15 feet in that area, but the more powerful devices have a shorter read range in some cases.
02:34:01.000Now, if you can put RFID tags into shoes, and if you can get away with hiding them in shoes, and you have reader devices in floors, Then there just went away your read range problem of 20-30 feet to track people.
02:34:14.000You simply put down a mat at the entrance of your store, or wherever it is you want to track people, and you take a read right off their shoes.
02:34:22.000In the Washington Post article last year, and Paul, when you dig all these up and post them in the story when we do a transcript, They said that pressure plates will read what you're buying, tiny cameras, and I know somebody at UT who works for the CIA and the psychology department, Department of Defense funded, it's all about retina readers that read void comp, like Blade Runner, type movements in the eyes.
02:34:45.000Get your psychological read off something you read on a package, and it talks about scanning and tracking you, and the store Prada said they're going to already have this in stores in New York, is what they said, where you go in, you buy something, next time you come in, they face scan you, they know what you bought last time, or if you're wearing the RFID, it reactivates it, and then they can custom tailor things to you.
02:35:09.000Well, you know, that's really the idea, is to find ways to custom-tailor things to individuals to identify them.
02:35:14.000I have in my possession... That's what they claim on the surface, yeah.
02:35:17.000Well, I have in my possession a prototype loyalty card that actually contains within it an RFID tag that can be read right through your purse, backpack, or wallet.
02:35:27.000Well, they have the IBM ad a few years ago where the guy, you think he's stealing food, he's putting it in his jacket, he walks out, the security guard comes over and says, sir, your receipt.
02:35:36.000Now in that case though, the reader device in the doorway has read the products that he's carrying and presumably also read some identifier of him so that those products could be deducted from his payment system, whatever that is.
02:35:48.000That's an IBM ad for this new chip credit card.
02:35:51.000Paul Watson, any comments to what she's saying?
02:35:54.000Yeah, just to throw this in now, we actually had an article on PrisonPlanet.com last week where One of these RFID tags was actually discovered in women's underwear.
02:36:04.000So we've got all these products on top of each other.
02:36:07.000But the question that I wanted to put to Catherine is about Benetton because we know that Catherine led a successful campaign against Benetton, to boycott Benetton, against putting RFID tags in clothes.
02:36:21.000But we recently had an article out of the RFID Journal, which is the main propaganda organ of RFID, Where Mauro Benetton actually stated that his company were ongoing with the test for RFID and that that original back down to the successful campaign against them was just a smokescreen.
02:36:42.000Yeah, Catherine, that question and then also the quotes here out of the news where you have the documents that talk about quote neutralizing opposition, pacifying consumers, Answer his question and mine, please.
02:36:56.000The issue with Benetton is that Benetton, I think, was astonished at the speed and power of the firestorm that consumed them when they made the announcement that they were going to be embedding RFID remote tracking devices in clothing labels.
02:37:10.000Now, that is absolutely over the line.
02:37:12.000I think everyone who heard the story agreed.
02:37:15.000They were inundated with press requests from as far away as Tasmania.
02:37:21.000We've been featured all over France, Australia, all over the world.
02:37:24.000People went nuts when they heard about this.
02:37:26.000Now, what I did not realize at the time, apparently, is that Mauro Benetton, a member of the Benetton family, is also deeply involved with a company called LabID that is developing and promoting this label tagging technology.
02:37:40.000And so apparently our boycott against Benetton caused a big family rift in the Benetton family.
02:37:48.000This is what I've been told from inside sources.
02:37:50.000That Malraux Benetton apparently had put in about $15 million to developing this RFID technology and investing in it.
02:37:58.000And was going to apparently use his family's company Benetton as one of the first examples of bringing it to market.
02:38:05.000And when the rest of the Benetton family heard what had happened, or we're right in the middle of this firestorm, they said, you know what?
02:38:30.000We must boycott them 110% all of them.
02:38:33.000You know who I want to call for the biggest boycott of all against is Gillette.
02:38:37.000I think that Gillette is one of the most despicable companies I have ever come in contact with in working with this technology.
02:38:43.000I personally was in a Brockton Walmart.
02:38:45.000Now this is another story I'll give you a little exclusive on here.
02:38:49.000I went into the Brockton Walmart after reading in the Boston Globe a few weeks ago that they were going to begin their shelf level tagging test the following week.
02:38:58.000So I drove, you know, an hour and so down there to get to the store.
02:39:02.000It was in a predominantly minority community.
02:39:05.000That was the first thing that struck my notice, so that, for example, if people felt that their privacy had been violated, there wouldn't be a whole lot of Manhattan lawyers potentially shopping there to sue them.
02:39:15.000Yeah, disenfranchised groups are always tested on first.
02:39:18.000And I had several lengthy conversations with a family who spoke Spanish.
02:39:24.000I am also fluent in Spanish, so I was able to... They were also fluent in English, but we conversed in both languages about their concerns about this technology.
02:39:31.000I was interacting in that store, I would say, for over two hours.
02:39:35.000I spent a great deal of time in front of that shelf.
02:39:37.000I even purchased a disposable camera at Wal-Mart, and I took photographs of that shelf, which I now have in my possession.
02:39:44.000Now, the astonishing thing to me is that given that there's been 110 Absolutely amazing!
02:39:49.000or Google hits on Brockton, Walmart and RFID.
02:39:53.000When the Brockton Enterprise newspaper ran a front page story on the smart shelves being
02:39:58.000in the Brockton store, they backpedaled, they removed the shelf overnight and they claimed
02:40:04.000that they had no intention of doing any such test and they did not know what she was talking about.
02:40:21.000But another thing I wanted to mention is that--
02:40:24.000Catherine was talking about the Google hits on the term RFID.
02:40:28.000You don't be surprised if they actually change the terminology for that because we've seen that with programs like Total Information Awareness being changed to Talon and Lysol.
02:40:41.000You know, one of the things we uncovered in this strategy document by Fleischmann-Hillard was they actually have toyed around with the idea of calling these green tags.
02:40:49.000Safer, better, smarter, something like that.
02:40:51.000You know, actually promoting them is this wonderful thing that's somehow going to make the world better.
02:40:56.000And you know, I saw that and I thought, you know, that is really, that is such a stretch.
02:41:00.000And you know, I really hope they do something like that because that means they would take a public splash, they would take this public, and believe me, the public would be on them like white on rice.
02:41:09.000Well, that's really stupid because green tag is something even easier to get across to people.
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02:45:47.000Catherine, what about the website for Caspian?
02:45:49.000How do folks visit the website and get more informed?
02:45:51.000You can find us online at www.nocards.org.
02:45:56.000We are No Cards because we originally started fighting supermarket cards, which are just a drop in the bucket compared to the data you can collect with RFID.
02:47:06.000Absolutely, and you know, the limits of what this will be used for are just the limits of the human imagination.
02:47:12.000If they can find a reason for collecting the data, this technology will enable them to do it.
02:47:17.000And Alex, You know, you talk about a number of other concerns about illegal immigration, about police brutality and other issues.
02:47:25.000I'm telling you, no matter what your concern is, envision that the people doing the oppressing have access to this technology.
02:47:32.000And you will see why this affects all of us, no matter what your freedom issue or your personal issue, no matter what it is, RFID will take that issue and bring it to a whole new level of bad.
02:48:15.000Alright, the final one, this is the one at the end, it says Mr. Kimball mused on future applications including a telepathy tag.
02:48:22.000VeggieTag does not exist, nor can we guess how it might work, but the point is that the Department of Defense is careful not to go down a course of action that precludes adoption of a new technology when that technology becomes feasible.