Alex Jones Show - 20040114_Wed_Alex

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00:00:07.000 Big Brother.

00:00:13.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:15.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:17.000 You want answers?

00:00:18.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:20.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:24.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:29.000 All right, my friends.

00:00:38.000 Believe it or not, it's already Wednesday.

00:00:43.000 The 14th day into the new year of 04.

00:00:47.000 I'm Alex Jones.

00:00:48.000 Your host will be live for the next three hours.

00:00:52.000 And we do have a guest coming on here in about 30 minutes.

00:00:55.000 T.J.

00:00:56.000 Bonner, the president of the Border Patrol Council.

00:01:00.000 That's the union for the rank-and-file Border Patrol officers.

00:01:05.000 They're calling this betrayal.

00:01:06.000 They're calling this a slap in the face, treason, you name it.

00:01:12.000 So he'll be joining us in about 30 minutes.

00:01:15.000 We've got some other guests we're lining up as well.

00:01:17.000 And of course, we're going to be taking your phone calls throughout the show.

00:01:24.000 Right now, let's launch straight into the news.

00:01:27.000 I saw this headline this morning and I thought, oh good!

00:01:31.000 But then I read into the article and said, oh well, I guess that's not good.

00:01:37.000 Forex dollar rebounds buoyed by narrowing U.S.

00:01:42.000 trade gaps.

00:01:45.000 Now, for the last, what, three years, the trade gap gets bigger each month.

00:01:49.000 And it's still bigger than what it was three or four months ago, but it went down a little bit from what it was the month before last month.

00:01:59.000 And so the dollar that had been trading, the euro, $1.29 above the dollar, well, it went

00:02:05.000 down 2.5 cents to $1.26.

00:02:14.000 Hey, I hope the dollar stops its plunge now.

00:02:17.000 It's bad enough.

00:02:18.000 Look at gas prices.

00:02:19.000 Why do you think gas prices are so high?

00:02:21.000 And they're saying they're going to stay that high.

00:02:24.000 Because it takes more dollars that are devalued to buy that fuel from the Middle East.

00:02:30.000 And we can't have our oil out of Alaska.

00:02:33.000 BP gets the contract on that, and it all goes to Asia, where they can get a premium for the fuel.

00:02:41.000 See, it's not free market, folks.

00:02:44.000 It's crony capitalism, or what you'd call fascism.

00:02:48.000 A lot of news about Halliburton and scams they're running.

00:02:52.000 Salon is reporting, Salon Magazine, that Halliburton's going to get a big piece of the increased NASA funding.

00:02:58.000 I guess now they build spaceships and satellites.

00:03:02.000 Now, they never have before, but now they're going to be getting that.

00:03:05.000 Also, Halliburton trainees complain they're not being paid.

00:03:09.000 And contractors serve troops dirty food and dirty kitchens.

00:03:13.000 This is out of the Taipei Times.

00:03:15.000 I mean, just to show what they think of the troops, we'll go over this.

00:03:17.000 Not to mention double-charging the Pentagon for fuel they were selling.

00:03:23.000 There's just no end to these people.

00:03:25.000 But no one's being indicted.

00:03:26.000 Nobody's going to jail.

00:03:28.000 It's like Enron.

00:03:31.000 But in the case of Dixon Cannon, up in Dallas, In the IRS case, they're trying to get life imprisonment now for failure to withhold.

00:03:45.000 Axe murderers don't get that now, but also that doctor up in Missouri who treated someone and testified about how they brutally beaten someone in the jail.

00:03:56.000 They pulled her over, beat her up, and are charging her criminally with a bunch of stuff.

00:04:00.000 The state prosecutor got involved, and they're wanting to know why the governor wants her behind bars.

00:04:06.000 And there's an article on that U.S.

00:04:09.000 civil rights groups vow to fight color-coding of air passengers.

00:04:12.000 It's not just for air passengers.

00:04:14.000 This is what's going to be on your national ID card and the new discrimination system.

00:04:19.000 Bush to seek unmanned missions to moon this decade.

00:04:23.000 It's rumored that he was going to announce manned mission, but because the polls came out against it, now it'll just be unmanned missions.

00:04:31.000 Also, the new World ID Card shaping up.

00:04:34.000 We'll get into that. 0.93

00:04:36.000 Four dead and suicide. 0.99

00:04:39.000 Bombing in the Gaza Strip.

00:04:41.000 Court upholds use of random police roadblocks.

00:04:46.000 That's just some, some of what's coming up here on the show.

00:04:52.000 And I even plan to go to your calls before our first guest gets on with us here in about 25 minutes.

00:04:55.000 We want to get involved on air on any of these news items or any stories you want to discuss,

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00:08:06.000 Big Brother.

00:08:13.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:15.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:17.000 You want answers?

00:08:18.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:20.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:24.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:30.000 Alright, my friends, it's eight minutes past the hour.

00:08:36.000 We do have the President.

00:08:38.000 The National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush's proposed guest worker program, calling it a slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States.

00:08:59.000 The agents are told in a letter From Vice President John Frecker, that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference implies that the country really wasn't serious about immigration enforcement in the first place.

00:09:14.000 Well, that's the way it's been for years.

00:09:17.000 They'll make a Border Patrol agent sitting in a truck by himself in the most dangerous law enforcement job statistically you can have, and they're allowed to look, say, north down a road or south down a road, but not both ways.

00:09:32.000 They're fired routinely if they get outside that purview.

00:09:37.000 They're told to spend about half their time picking up garbage.

00:09:41.000 They have to go into the woods, into the scrub brush, and pick up the garbage left by the millions of illegals. 1.00

00:09:48.000 And they get shot at and killed by Mexican troops and drug dealers.

00:09:54.000 They've been killing about, what, three Border Patrol agents a year for the last five years.

00:09:59.000 They've killed two Forestry Service agents, killed an FBI agent, injured two more, killed a bunch of sheriff's deputies, killed a whole bunch of citizens.

00:10:08.000 They find dead Mexicans all the time at the Coyotes.

00:10:11.000 And I don't mean the dog kind, or the canine type.

00:10:14.000 I mean the drug dealing, human smugglers, feed on the illegal aliens coming across who aren't authorized.

00:10:22.000 Makes me very, very angry.

00:10:24.000 And we could not talk enough about this subject.

00:10:26.000 Frankly, I don't think I've been discussing it enough.

00:10:28.000 We've been talking about it so much over the last few years.

00:10:31.000 Bush tried amnesty right before 9-11.

00:10:35.000 And tried to say that, well, amnesty is a good thing.

00:10:38.000 Well, now amnesty is even worse.

00:10:41.000 That was going to be a one-time amnesty of whoever was here.

00:10:44.000 Now it's going to be whoever's here and whoever gets here in perpetuity.

00:10:49.000 So perhaps you'd like to comment on this.

00:10:52.000 I've been talking to so-called conservatives and they've been listening to talk radio and they're going, well, I guess it's a shrewd move by Bush.

00:10:59.000 You know, we can't vote for Dean.

00:11:02.000 Might as well support it.

00:11:05.000 This is what we're getting.

00:11:07.000 And I confronted one of my longtime friends last night out in the TV studio.

00:11:11.000 He runs a pro-life show.

00:11:13.000 And I said, you know, what about our loss of liberty?

00:11:15.000 Well, we've got to do that to be safe from terrorists.

00:11:17.000 Well, what about the open borders?

00:11:18.000 Well, I guess we've got to do it.

00:11:20.000 Well, what about Bush saying he's going to sign the assault weapons ban?

00:11:23.000 Well, you're not for Howard Dean, are you?

00:11:26.000 And I go, no, I'm not for Howard Dean.

00:11:28.000 My question is, what are you going to do about it?

00:11:31.000 Well, I guess nothing.

00:11:32.000 Yeah, I guess nothing.

00:11:35.000 We've totally capitulated. 0.93

00:11:37.000 It's disgusting.

00:11:39.000 And of the Limbaugh's and the Hannity's, they're not saying much about this open border thing. 0.76

00:11:43.000 They're saying, well, we could just secure it and stop terrorists.

00:11:46.000 I guess it'd be okay to have all these immigrants here. 0.99

00:11:50.000 They're already capitulating.

00:11:51.000 The only big national host that isn't saying that is Michael Savage, which I have to commend.

00:11:57.000 He's saying, impeach Bush. 0.94

00:11:59.000 And I heard two of my conservative friends who haven't woken up yesterday saying, oh, he's a nut. 0.80

00:12:04.000 I don't like him now.

00:12:06.000 I mean, anything to worship Bush!

00:12:09.000 Oh, you liked Michael Savage when he was saying, put anybody that disagrees with the government in a forced labor camp, but you don't like it when he finally says, we cannot have open borders, and impeach George W. What do you think about all this?

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00:12:30.000 for a good back into the news i was just thinking about this

00:12:34.000 this morning how time speeds past

00:12:37.000 I mean, years are what months were when I was a child or even a teenager.

00:12:43.000 Seasons go by like they're weeks.

00:12:49.000 Like weeks would go by in the past.

00:12:51.000 And I thought long and hard About this, why is that?

00:12:56.000 Well, it's because when you're a child, everything is new.

00:12:59.000 Your mind is alive.

00:13:01.000 It's soaking everything up.

00:13:03.000 You're developing your personality and your psyche.

00:13:08.000 And that's why time goes by so slow.

00:13:11.000 But when you get older, you're so set in your ways.

00:13:15.000 You've got blinders on.

00:13:16.000 You've got so many responsibilities.

00:13:18.000 You're working so hard that everything basically flows past you.

00:13:22.000 And before you know it, The big heart attack's hitting you and your life is over.

00:13:28.000 Well, I want to challenge people.

00:13:30.000 Before you die in a car wreck, before you get diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, before any of this happens to you, get involved in spreading the word about freedom.

00:13:42.000 Get involved in fighting for this country's sovereignty, for the sake of your children and grandchildren.

00:13:48.000 Don't live as a spectator.

00:13:51.000 Don't spend your life as someone on the sidelines.

00:13:58.000 And when you do get involved in fighting the New World Order, your life does become richer, your mind does become more focused and sharp, and the time slows down a bit.

00:14:11.000 It doesn't slow down to the speed of when you were a child, but when I am fighting the New World Order and when I am working hard in the fight against it, every day is longer and fuller and richer.

00:14:25.000 But when I'm just doing busy work or tearing out the trash or cleaning out the garage, time goes by in an instant because it's just mindless work.

00:14:37.000 I don't know if that instruction helps you any.

00:14:39.000 Perhaps you'd like to instruct me about the world.

00:14:42.000 I'm learning more every day, and that's why I'm so alive.

00:14:46.000 Because I want to learn more.

00:14:48.000 I want to understand history.

00:14:50.000 I want to understand the present.

00:14:52.000 I want to understand the future.

00:14:54.000 And I do, to a greater degree, every day, thanks to God.

00:14:58.000 But at the same time, I realize how much I don't know And then I sit here in shocked amazement at the ignorant masses of people that don't know what it means to have a weak dollar, that don't understand what it means to our society to have open borders, that don't know what NAFTA and GATT is doing to us, that don't know about the cashless society beast system that's being put in place.

00:15:21.000 It's very frustrating. 0.56

00:15:22.000 I want to reach out to them and throw cold ice water on them and awaken them.

00:15:29.000 Let me tell you, what's worth more than all the gold in the hills to myself, what's worth more than all the treasures, is unlocking minds, seeing someone who was in darkness, who was only focused on themselves, to the point that they destroy themselves.

00:15:46.000 The thrill of my life is seeing the blinders come off, unlocking minds.

00:15:53.000 And that's the goal of this show.

00:15:57.000 We're losing our freedom, They're breaking up our families.

00:16:01.000 They're isolating humanity.

00:16:03.000 They're dumbing us down.

00:16:05.000 They're suppressing advanced technologies that could extend our lives and improve the quality of our lives.

00:16:11.000 They are destroying our institutions and replacing it with police state mechanisms.

00:16:16.000 America is on fire!

00:16:19.000 I do not have words.

00:16:21.000 I do not have semantics.

00:16:22.000 I do not have the vocabulary to describe the full weight and horror of what I have seen developing.

00:16:35.000 We are already inside the New World Order.

00:16:37.000 We're like a frog in the pot, and it's set now from simmer to medium, and now the globalists are cranking the dial to high.

00:16:47.000 And the bubbles are forming at the bottom of the pan, and the country is almost cooked.

00:16:55.000 And there is a lot of struggling happening.

00:16:57.000 A lot of people are uneasy.

00:16:59.000 A lot of people are more perceptive and receptive to what we're saying, and deep down know it's true.

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00:17:12.000 Research history, research the present, then you'll know the future.

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00:17:39.000 Get involved and you say, oh there's nothing we can do.

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00:17:58.000 Have you gotten in the face of a lobbyist?

00:18:00.000 Have you caught bribery going on at the Capitol?

00:18:03.000 Have you stood up to Presidents and Prime Ministers and Governors?

00:18:08.000 Have you put up websites?

00:18:09.000 Have you gotten access to television shows?

00:18:12.000 The answer is no, you haven't!

00:18:14.000 Have you called into local talk radio shows to have your two cents put in each day?

00:18:20.000 Because it's your responsibility and it's a lot of fun to get out of the benches and get on the field and stand up for the final battle of humanity against the dehumanizing forces of the New World Order!

00:18:34.000 Who's up first, Mark?

00:18:38.000 Bretton, Missouri, you're on the air, go ahead.

00:18:41.000 Alex, enjoy your show.

00:18:42.000 First time caller.

00:18:43.000 I actually didn't know I could get you in Kansas City until this weekend, so I'll be a loyal listener from here on out.

00:18:49.000 You can listen to me six days a week in Kansas City.

00:18:52.000 I just wanted to make one quick comment.

00:18:52.000 Wonderful.

00:18:55.000 You called Michael Savage perfectly yesterday.

00:18:58.000 You took notice of him calling for Bush's impeachment and gave him 30 days to turn around and start worshiping the man.

00:19:06.000 It took less than 30 hours, my friend.

00:19:09.000 Last night on his show, he pointed out how he called for Bush's impeachment, and then he was saying how he thought he was a wonderful man, he's a good man, he just needs help, and we're trying to save your presidency, Mr. Bush, and it was blatantly sickening.

00:19:23.000 I mean, up until that point, I had listened to Savage, and I had observed that he was kind of wishy-washy on certain subjects.

00:19:29.000 He'd mention the New World Order at times, but then he'll go right back into Republican-Democrat stuff.

00:19:34.000 Well, he will claim, I've only listened probably 20 times, he will claim that fighting globalism is a New World Order plan.

00:19:44.000 He'll say you're with the New World Order if you're fighting globalism.

00:19:47.000 Have you heard him say put people in concentration camps?

00:19:49.000 I have.

00:19:51.000 Stay there, we'll talk about it.

00:19:53.000 And I never really talk about other talk show hosts, but you've got to when Limbaugh says there's no New World Order.

00:20:00.000 Edwin Savage just put people in concentration camps.

00:20:02.000 I mean, folks, you gotta talk about that!

00:20:09.000 Late summer 2003.

00:20:11.000 Mainstream press tells us we're having a stock market recovery.

00:20:15.000 Late summer 2002, I heard the same thing.

00:20:18.000 Late summer 2001, you heard the same thing.

00:20:21.000 The Dow Jones Industrial Average, currently trading in a 93 to 9400 range, is down 7% from two years ago.

00:20:29.000 That's recovery?

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00:24:31.000 Let's go back to Brett in Missouri.

00:24:33.000 Finishing up with his comments, then we'll go to Manuel and Barry and Rhonda and others.

00:24:37.000 Go ahead, Brett.

00:24:39.000 Again, I was focusing on Michael Savage and his spin last night back to basically worshipping George Bush, and I just wanted to commend you again.

00:24:47.000 You called it perfectly. 0.70

00:24:50.000 And as for your limbos, he'll totally dismiss anybody who can get past the screeners who mentions any kind of global plan or New World Order. 0.97

00:24:59.000 He dismisses it as rubbish. 0.72

00:25:01.000 He says there's no proof. 0.98

00:25:02.000 And he will just, he will nix them as soon as he can.

00:25:05.000 And this is while Presidents, and the Pope, and Prime Ministers, and UN plans, and hundreds of news articles about urban warfare with black helicopters terrorizing people, it doesn't exist, even when it's in USA Today, it doesn't exist.

00:25:20.000 You're crazy if you say it exists.

00:25:24.000 You're correct.

00:25:25.000 I mean, what did you think when you'd hear Savage call for anyone that disagrees with the government is aiding terrorists, put them in a forced labor camp?

00:25:32.000 It's, I mean, it's speechless at times.

00:25:36.000 I mean, you think, okay, he's, you listen to him and he'll get on a tirade and then he's like, okay, he's shooting off at the mouth.

00:25:41.000 And then, but if you stop and actually just, and you know, uh, comprehend what he is saying, you know, it makes, it makes it very difficult to, uh, to, uh, haven't, you know, to give any credibility to anything he says.

00:25:54.000 I mean, I'm, I'll, I'll openly admit I was somewhat gullible to different talk radio shows.

00:26:00.000 I listened to certain things.

00:26:01.000 Well he's an elitist supporter.

00:26:02.000 okay look at what you know that and then it make another comment on the came up a little bit off the

00:26:06.000 wall and all of them on starting to be the big picture that

00:26:10.000 okay he's not easy

00:26:11.000 you know part of liberal

00:26:13.000 is what the little left that would recall people you've got something i don't know what he is

00:26:18.000 well he's only a supporter thanks for the call yeah i mean folks were losing our freedoms

00:26:24.000 America is about freedom.

00:26:25.000 We're becoming the biggest police state in the world with the most draconian controls of any nation.

00:26:30.000 We're becoming communist China. 0.71

00:26:32.000 They treat protesters like they do in China now, here in America. 0.54

00:26:35.000 They hire provocateurs.

00:26:37.000 They beat them up. 1.00

00:26:38.000 They kill them. 1.00

00:26:38.000 They run over them. 1.00

00:26:40.000 This isn't freedom!

00:26:42.000 And they control the fake right wing, they control the fake left wing, and there's no difference.

00:26:47.000 I've told liberals, you should love George Bush.

00:26:49.000 He's following every Clinton policy to a tee, and getting it ramrodded through.

00:26:54.000 Let's talk to Manuel in Pennsylvania.

00:26:56.000 Manuel, go ahead.

00:26:57.000 Alright, we're having another good discussion here.

00:26:59.000 I got good news, man.

00:27:01.000 When you made a rant one day about your local news host, talk host, not being able to get in through the screener, And them fading you out, basically censoring us like they all do all over the country.

00:27:14.000 I started listening to my A.M.

00:27:15.000 band here.

00:27:16.000 Found the local show.

00:27:18.000 And I'm going to tell you my two experiences.

00:27:20.000 This makes me feel very good.

00:27:22.000 In this city, we passed the reaffirmation of the Bill of Rights and Constitution here against the Patriot Act.

00:27:28.000 Well, today there was a discussion with a general, a gentleman named Mike Williams.

00:27:34.000 And he was talking about the Patriot Act 1 and 2, pushing it as if it's something good.

00:27:39.000 Well, the host took a lot of calls, and in those calls was one of mine.

00:27:43.000 And I mentioned the subsection of the Patriot Act, how they strip our citizenship, the new definitions of terrorism.

00:27:48.000 They did not dispute that.

00:27:49.000 The host even said, yes, I have a copy here.

00:27:52.000 The next caller was, this is what you're really going to like, a Vietnam veteran.

00:27:56.000 He said, listen, sir, this is to the general.

00:27:58.000 When I swore my oath to protect this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic, I'm going to tell you, sir, and he was talking to the guest, he said, you are a domestic enemy.

00:28:08.000 And the guests had nothing to say to that.

00:28:10.000 Nothing at all.

00:28:11.000 And this is what I like hearing.

00:28:12.000 All of the corners were against this.

00:28:14.000 Also, we had another time a couple weeks ago... You're telling me there was a general... Mike Williams... ...defending the Patriot Act is for all citizens and all crimes, saying it's good.

00:28:22.000 Check this out.

00:28:23.000 He's General Mike Williams.

00:28:25.000 I got his name.

00:28:26.000 I remember this.

00:28:26.000 Yeah, I know who he is.

00:28:27.000 Defense Science Board.

00:28:28.000 I have no clue what this is.

00:28:30.000 It doesn't mean anything to me.

00:28:31.000 They're helping set up the Total Information Awareness Network.

00:28:33.000 They want to sound legitimate, Defense Science Board.

00:28:35.000 Well, check this out.

00:28:36.000 A couple weeks before this, We had a Second Amendment discussion.

00:28:40.000 Show comes on at 11.

00:28:42.000 Always run to it.

00:28:43.000 Ever since I heard it.

00:28:44.000 They don't censor your calls.

00:28:45.000 And I'm going to tell everybody out there quickly.

00:28:47.000 Any host, no matter what they talk about, if they do not censor your calls, get in there.

00:28:51.000 Because once you call in there consistently with the facts, it doesn't matter what they're saying, they can't argue with you.

00:28:57.000 So I'm going to tell you this about the Second Amendment.

00:28:58.000 We called in.

00:28:59.000 Everybody here was calling in for the Second Amendment.

00:29:02.000 This was the case.

00:29:03.000 Our local newspapers, two of them, We're using a commonly used tactic, and I'm sure you're very aware with this, where they said, oh, this guy has diabetes.

00:29:12.000 He's about 76 years old.

00:29:14.000 And he is a veteran.

00:29:15.000 He was carrying a so-called arsenal of weapons.

00:29:17.000 You want to know the arsenal of weapons?

00:29:18.000 Two handguns.

00:29:20.000 And they kept making a point about a hollow point bullet, and how he had potassium iodate, and a Kevlar helmet, and a water filter.

00:29:28.000 So what?

00:29:29.000 Well, check this out.

00:29:30.000 All of the callers were against it.

00:29:32.000 When I called in and told them, that's a classic propaganda piece of the whole.

00:29:35.000 He didn't even disagree.

00:29:38.000 Oh, look, look, you can call into these shows and make the host change his opinion.

00:29:42.000 Exactly, that's what I tell people.

00:29:44.000 They don't stand for your calls.

00:29:45.000 Call in, people.

00:29:46.000 No matter what they're saying.

00:29:47.000 If you can get through, call in there with facts consistently, be coherent and cogent, and you'll do a good thing.

00:29:52.000 Absolutely, that's where the fight for this country's taking place.

00:29:55.000 Thanks.

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00:33:52.000 Earlier, I read out of the Washington Times, Border Council calls Bush plans slap in the face.

00:33:57.000 The National Border Patrol Council, which represents 9,000, all 9,000, of the Border Patrol non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush's proposed guest worker program, calling it a slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States.

00:34:14.000 The agents are told in a letter from Vice President John Brecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference implies that the country really wasn't serious about

00:34:24.000 immigration enforcement in the first place and fox says that's not enough he wants

00:34:29.000 totally open borders well that's what this plan does

00:34:32.000 but joining us uh... is the president uh... of the national

00:34:37.000 uh... border patrol counsel and he's tj bonner

00:34:41.000 mister bonner it's good to have you on the show great to be here

00:34:45.000 uh... tell us about the national border patrol council of course the website and

00:34:48.000 uh... what your members are saying and uh...

00:34:51.000 what this uh... total amnesty package will do Hmm.

00:34:55.000 Well, there's a website that people can visit if they want to express their displeasure with the proposal, and it's noamnesty.com.

00:35:04.000 And basically what this would do is reward people who have broken our laws, and encourage other people to come in illegally, and this is not speculation, this happened During the 1986 amnesty, and we will see it happen again, only in much larger numbers.

00:35:24.000 Now your organization represents all of the foot soldiers, the rank and file of non-supervisory Border Patrol, and we've gotten calls from Border Patrol agents, we've read their quotes in the papers, they're hopping mad, they're getting killed, putting their lives on the line, and Bush says we're just going to legalize all these people. 0.51

00:35:41.000 Yeah, it's a huge slap in the face to all Border Patrol agents or any other person who has enforced the immigration laws, and more importantly, it's bad public policy for the entire country.

00:35:58.000 Well, absolutely.

00:36:01.000 What is your organization doing trying to stop this?

00:36:04.000 I mean, when you've got the Border Patrol against what Bush is doing, that doesn't bode well for his plans.

00:36:10.000 Well, we're encouraging our members to speak out, and we're also encouraging the public to speak out.

00:36:15.000 Because the only way you can turn bad policy around is by making your voice heard.

00:36:20.000 If enough people tell the President and tell the Congress, this isn't what we want, you're going down the wrong path.

00:36:27.000 Perhaps they'll wake up and come to their senses.

00:36:30.000 I've heard from border folks, listeners, and organizations on the border that since this announcement was made last week, that there are record numbers of illegals now pouring across in Arizona and California.

00:36:43.000 Well, that's no surprise.

00:36:44.000 It happened back in 86.

00:36:45.000 As soon as they announced it, the volume of traffic increased dramatically.

00:36:51.000 And it really never went back down to the pre-amnesty levels.

00:36:56.000 Back at that time, they were estimating that there were 3 or 4 million people in the country illegally.

00:37:01.000 Since then, the latest census figures show 8 million, and that's 8 million people who stood up and said, yes, I'm here illegally, count me that way.

00:37:11.000 And I would guess that 90 plus percent of illegals don't come to the door and tell the person that they're illegal.

00:37:17.000 Precisely.

00:37:19.000 So, the real figure is much, much higher than the 8 million that the Census Bureau estimates.

00:37:25.000 A lot of the think tanks that have done the research say it's 25 to 30 mil.

00:37:30.000 It's quite possible.

00:37:33.000 We've got a real problem on our hands, and rewarding these people who have broken our laws is not only a slap in the face to those who enforce the immigration laws, it's a slap in the face to everyone who has played by the rules and waited patiently in their country waiting to get in here legally.

00:37:51.000 What feedback are you getting from the Border Patrol that you represent?

00:37:57.000 We're getting a lot of positive feedback on this effort to educate the public and our opposition to this amnesty.

00:38:05.000 Well how can you have people committing federal crimes and then reward them by saying you're all legal now and anybody that ever gets here is legal now?

00:38:13.000 You might as well not even have a Border Patrol.

00:38:15.000 Exactly.

00:38:16.000 You may as well not have Any immigration laws at all just open up the borders, but as we all know, that would be a disaster vis-a-vis homeland security.

00:38:28.000 Because if it's easy, which it is right now, for an illiterate, impoverished peasant from Mexico to slip across the border, how much easier is it for a well-financed terrorist to do the same? 0.79

00:38:41.000 Well, I know that the police will apprehend large groups of Arabs, and it doesn't even make the local news, and they just release them, just like all the other illegals. 1.00

00:38:50.000 There's been articles as central states as Virginia and Tennessee, where sheriffs are running checkpoints, sobriety drug gun checkpoints, and they catch van loads of illegals and smugglers, coyotes, and they call the INS.

00:39:04.000 The INS says, release them.

00:39:06.000 It's almost like if you're illegal, you've got more rights than a citizen.

00:39:11.000 Well, sadly, the strategy that the government is employing is ignoring the entire interior of the country.

00:39:18.000 They've focused almost all of their efforts on the borders, and yet that's a very narrow window.

00:39:24.000 Once you transit the border, then you're going to be staying in the country for years. 0.99

00:39:29.000 The efforts need to shift, and the focus needs to be on Finding a way to stop people from taking jobs from American citizens.

00:39:39.000 There was an LA Times article on Monday, sir, Mr. Bonner, President of the Border Patrol Council, an organization representing all 9,000 of the Border Patrol non-supervisory agents.

00:39:51.000 There was an article about how the only bus at the interior

00:39:55.000 at a business in the last three months was the wal-mart bust of three hundred

00:40:00.000 and that that's it and that now enforcement which was going on before at a low level

00:40:05.000 is now gone it's almost like that was a PR piece and then now nothing's being done

00:40:10.000 uh... this is amazing it truly is

00:40:15.000 but i hear about college students writing a school paper for their

00:40:20.000 architecture class about a bridge and they get an FBI raid but the borders wide open.

00:40:25.000 I mean, how can they sell this to us? 1.00

00:40:28.000 I guess they think they were pretty unsophisticated and stupid. 1.00

00:40:34.000 But I don't believe that to be true. 0.98

00:40:36.000 I think the average American is a lot more Mr. Bonner, I read an article in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram over a year ago where it said that thousands of Border Patrol had quit because they were tired of having to pick up garbage on the streets and not being able to go after people, but mainly because they get tens of thousands of dollars more starting pay to be an Air Marshal.

00:41:03.000 How has that affected the Border Patrol?

00:41:06.000 We took a pretty big hit.

00:41:07.000 At that time, our attrition was up at 20%.

00:41:09.000 That's one out of every five people leaving.

00:41:14.000 It's a little better now, but not nearly good enough.

00:41:18.000 I think we're down at 15, 16%, which is still pretty high.

00:41:24.000 And that's yearly.

00:41:25.000 So I guess, if there's 9,000 foot soldiers on the Border Patrol, the article saying 2,000 was accurate then?

00:41:35.000 Yeah, well, we're hiring.

00:41:37.000 I think this year we'll be hiring in the neighborhood of 2,600 people.

00:41:42.000 And that's to just make up for all the losses.

00:41:47.000 Slight growth, but mainly it's making up for those attrition losses.

00:41:50.000 You've got less people than a mid-sized city as police.

00:41:56.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:41:57.000 And we have 6,000 miles of land border to patrol.

00:42:01.000 4,000 between the U.S.

00:42:01.000 and Canada, 2,000 between the U.S.

00:42:03.000 and Mexico.

00:42:04.000 I want folks to think about this.

00:42:07.000 If you've got 9,000 Border Patrol, and I'd say a third of them are off at any one time, you know, for the weekend, and then you've got three shifts a day, what is that about?

00:42:18.000 2,500 Border Patrol actually on the border at any one time nationwide?

00:42:23.000 Yeah, approximately.

00:42:25.000 That is, I mean...

00:42:27.000 We should have a hundred thousand border patrol agents.

00:42:30.000 That's the only place we need more law enforcement. 0.77

00:42:35.000 I mean, you're the president of the, of the, uh, of the, uh, what I call it, a union, or?

00:42:41.000 Yeah, it's a union.

00:42:43.000 So what's going to happen, Mr. Bonner?

00:42:46.000 With the amnesty?

00:42:47.000 I mean, we're just not going to have a border patrol.

00:42:49.000 I mean, we already really don't have one.

00:42:52.000 Well, some of the policies have effectively tied our hands behind our back.

00:42:58.000 And it seems that there are people who make the laws for this country who aren't too serious about stopping people from coming into the country. 0.98

00:43:05.000 I'm not sure.

00:43:06.000 the border patrol says over a million illegals cross in Cochise County, Arizona alone, each year, one county.

00:43:13.000 How many agents you got in Cochise County?

00:43:16.000 I'm not sure. I can tell you not nearly enough.

00:43:23.000 I mean, what country in the world lets a million people come through in one county?

00:43:28.000 I mean, you don't have a country if you don't have a border.

00:43:33.000 It's pretty hard to be a sovereign nation when people can just come and go at will.

00:43:37.000 What will Mexico do if a million of us try to cross there?

00:43:43.000 Oh, you know, that there'd be this international outcry of how we're invading their country, blah blah blah.

00:43:51.000 I'm sure you know, sir, that Mexico claims the Southwest is theirs and is teaching that in high school and college and grade schools, elementary schools, and I've got both Mexican presidents on tape, the last two, saying that they're going to take this country over. 0.67

00:44:07.000 I think they've already made a pretty good start.

00:44:11.000 Well, 80 plus percent of Hispanics are against open borders and polls, but Bush claims Hispanics want this.

00:44:16.000 But that's a fraud.

00:44:17.000 They're doing this because corporations want cheap labor. 0.97

00:44:20.000 Sure.

00:44:22.000 Absolutely has nothing to do with what the Hispanics want. 0.99

00:44:27.000 Because Hispanics who have come into the country legally, rather, are very upset about this. 1.00

00:44:35.000 Because it's slapping them in the face and saying, you were stupid to wait in line for five years to come in under our laws. 1.00

00:44:43.000 You could have just broken the law and we would have forgiven everything. 0.99

00:44:49.000 This would be like proposing a tax cut For everybody in the country and say, oh and by the way, anyone who has not paid their taxes for any reason previously, it's all forgiven.

00:45:01.000 And then no one would follow the law from that point on?

00:45:06.000 No, exactly not.

00:45:07.000 Why should you?

00:45:08.000 Because you know that down the road they're going to figure, they'll run another amnesty and they'll forgive me.

00:45:14.000 Now this amnesty, sir, is different than others because it's not just, okay, for three months you all get amnesty, line up at the offices of the INS.

00:45:22.000 Now they're saying it's in perpetuity.

00:45:24.000 Well sure, if you're here, and you have a job, and when you walk across the border you can show up at some ranch and say, hire me.

00:45:35.000 And they hire you and you say, okay, I have a job.

00:45:37.000 Well you obviously lobby.

00:45:39.000 What is your advice for my listeners, and there's millions of them, What is your advice for my listeners to do to stop this?

00:45:47.000 My advice is that the most effective way of communicating with your member of Congress is to write out a letter, a handwritten letter.

00:45:55.000 The next most effective way is to send an email.

00:46:01.000 I know that's somewhat counterintuitive because a lot of people think, well if I pick up the phone, if you pick up the phone you're going to get some staffer who's 22 years old and they're just going to check some block that says he opposes or he supports this. You're not going to get to

00:46:18.000 someone who is going to really put down your feelings in words. So the best bet is to have

00:46:24.000 some form of communication, whether it's a postcard, a letter or an email, and let them

00:46:29.000 know how upset you are.

00:46:31.000 I have found the best, other than that, the best tactic is when your congressman or woman is coming to meet and greet in their district, which they do all the time folks, it's in the newspaper.

00:46:42.000 Oh absolutely, if you can get in front of their face and stand up and say, this is bad public policy, What's your position on this?

00:46:49.000 I hope you're not supporting this travesty.

00:46:51.000 That's absolutely the best way to do it, but those opportunities don't always present themselves.

00:46:57.000 Okay.

00:46:57.000 I've got loaded phone lines, and a lot of them we're holding before you've joined us.

00:47:00.000 I'm going to ask my folks in front of the show.

00:47:02.000 We don't screen calls, but I want to find out who wants to talk to you so we can go to them.

00:47:07.000 We're talking about a bunch of different issues.

00:47:09.000 Mark, find me some of these callers that want to talk to Mr. Bonner, and we'll go to the others after he's gone, because I want to go to these calls.

00:47:15.000 I should have told you that in the break.

00:47:16.000 I'm sorry.

00:47:17.000 Give us the website again, Mr. Bonner, please.

00:47:20.000 It's pretty simple.

00:47:21.000 It's noamnesty.com.

00:47:24.000 All one word, noamnesty.com.

00:47:26.000 Mr. Bonner, I've never seen my listeners as angry about any issue, even gun control, as they are about this.

00:47:33.000 I guess people instinctively know this is the end of our sovereignty if they allow this to happen.

00:47:39.000 And they're absolutely correct.

00:47:43.000 What feeling are you getting, the sense of the Congress?

00:47:46.000 Are they going to go along with Bush on this?

00:47:49.000 He's getting a lot of opposition from his traditional supporters.

00:47:53.000 The conservatives are not happy with this.

00:47:56.000 And then, of course, the liberal Democrats are not happy because it doesn't do enough.

00:48:00.000 So, perhaps between the two of those, we can have a coalition to sink this bad idea.

00:48:08.000 All right.

00:48:08.000 Mark, who should we go to first here?

00:48:13.000 All right, Barry in Arizona, you're on the air, go ahead.

00:48:16.000 Alex, hi, good to talk to you again.

00:48:19.000 I'm listening to this conversation and I have in my hand an article from the Arizona Republic today about how Organ Pipe, one of our parks here in our state, is being endangered and trampled and ruined because of border crossers, okay? 1.00

00:48:31.000 But the interesting thing is that Organ Pipe is part of a UN biosphere that was one of the great gifts that Clinton gave us, okay?

00:48:40.000 What I'm not hearing in this conversation are issues of jurisdiction, and I want to address that.

00:48:46.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:48:47.000 Why can't the sheriffs, because you can do this for a forest fire or an axe murderer that's loose, why aren't the sheriffs calling up citizens, veterans, a quick week-long training course to go out and help arrest these people and to aid the Border Patrol?

00:49:04.000 Why can't that happen?

00:49:05.000 I can answer that.

00:49:06.000 Okay, the reason why is because In the Constitution, only the President is empowered to do that.

00:49:13.000 In his original jurisdiction capacity.

00:49:16.000 But Bush is not seated in his original jurisdiction capacity.

00:49:20.000 Nobody in our legislatures or in Congress are.

00:49:23.000 Because we're, again, like I spoke to you yesterday about... Let me get a comment from our guest on this.

00:49:28.000 I want to hear what he thinks about, and yes, the sheriffs and the state governors can do whatever they want.

00:49:33.000 I don't need the president to do it.

00:49:34.000 You're incorrect.

00:49:36.000 Sir, go ahead.

00:49:37.000 Actually, they have a law in the books that passed a few years ago that empowered these state and local jurisdictions to assist us.

00:49:47.000 If they go through some training, but very few have stepped forward and said they want to do that.

00:49:51.000 Most of them say, we'd lose the trust of the Hispanic community if we were out there arresting illegals.

00:49:58.000 And again, that's not true.

00:49:59.000 The majority of Hispanics are with the rest of America. 0.63

00:50:01.000 They know this is killing the country.

00:50:03.000 Yeah, but you know, that's their excuse for not.

00:50:06.000 Stepping up to the plate and helping out.

00:50:08.000 Yeah, Barry, I'm not trying to sit here and tell you you're wrong, but we don't need the President to tell the Governor what he can do.

00:50:13.000 Oh, I agree with you, Alex.

00:50:14.000 I'm not saying it's right, but I'm just saying what the Constitution says, and I don't know what the state statutes say about that.

00:50:19.000 But, let me tell you something.

00:50:21.000 If that, under the law now, which is a color of law, okay, if organ pipe, for example, is under U.N.

00:50:29.000 control and jurisdiction, how is a sheriff The sheriff is waiting at the county line of that national park to arrest those illegals and they levy taxes to pay for it.

00:50:42.000 That's something you're supposed to pay taxes for.

00:50:44.000 Exactly.

00:50:45.000 All right.

00:50:46.000 Thanks for the call.

00:50:47.000 We're going to come back with our guest in the final segment of this hour and talk to Roger and Elizabeth for our guest.

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00:56:10.000 zero four our guest is the

00:56:14.000 president of the uh...

00:56:16.000 the only it's it's a big union for all border patrol agency

00:56:19.000 who are in a non-supervisory capacity, all 9,000 of them.

00:56:24.000 He's T.J. Bonner, and the website is noamnesty.com.

00:56:29.000 Is it dot com or dot org, sir?

00:56:30.000 Dot com.

00:56:31.000 Dot com.

00:56:32.000 We've got a link to that on InfoWars.com.

00:56:34.000 This is a side issue, but I found it really illustrates things for people.

00:56:38.000 I'm sure you're aware that foreigners who come here legally get seven to ten years of tax exemption,

00:56:44.000 but most folks aren't aware of that.

00:56:47.000 Why do you think, as the head of this major lobby and union, why do you think the government discriminates against citizens in so many ways?

00:56:57.000 Boy, you're asking me to crawl inside the head of someone that I don't care to do.

00:57:04.000 I really don't know why they come up with these policies.

00:57:08.000 Disfavor the people that they're constitutionally bound to protect.

00:57:14.000 Do you think we can defeat this legislation?

00:57:18.000 I think we have to.

00:57:20.000 I don't think it's a question of just giving it our best effort.

00:57:24.000 I think we absolutely have to defeat this legislation.

00:57:27.000 If we want to remain as a sovereign nation, we have to.

00:57:33.000 I mean, we're not going to have a country if we do this.

00:57:36.000 That's precisely That's my point.

00:57:40.000 You know, if you allow anyone to come in here, then soon we will just become yet another third world nation. 1.00

00:57:47.000 Mr. Bonner, they're also on record in this legislation saying that they're going to allow companies to bring illegals in legally from anywhere in the world now.

00:57:57.000 Right.

00:57:58.000 And the scary thing is, the devil's always in the details on these things, but it could be engineered in such a way that they say, That if you can't find somebody to work at minimum wage, an American citizen, then you can bring in someone else.

00:58:11.000 Well, that's what I said.

00:58:11.000 Well, you take a skilled trade, you're not going to find someone in the U.S.

00:58:15.000 who's willing to lay bricks at minimum wage.

00:58:18.000 But yes, you would find someone from Mexico willing to do that.

00:58:21.000 All of our jobs could be taken over by foreigners. 1.00

00:58:24.000 Right.

00:58:25.000 what this does is drive down the wages where a meat packer got fifteen bucks an 1.00

00:58:29.000 hour now they get eight uh... where a truck driver got uh... you know sixty seventy

00:58:34.000 thousand dollars a year now they're gonna get twenty 1.00

00:58:37.000 this is destroying us and i hear these idiots saying it's a good thing 1.00

00:58:45.000 Stay there, Mr. Bonner. 1.00

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01:00:21.000 All right, folks.

01:00:22.000 We've only got our guests about 10-15 more minutes, but I want to get as many of your calls in as possible.

01:00:27.000 He's T.J.

01:00:28.000 Bonner, President of the National Border Patrol Council, the union which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, He's called Bush's activities a slap in the face of all Americans in the Border Patrol.

01:00:43.000 Now, let's go to the calls.

01:00:45.000 Roger in Pennsylvania, you're on the air with our guest.

01:00:47.000 Go ahead.

01:00:48.000 Yeah, thanks, Jensen.

01:00:49.000 I think no one will be able to find any law to preclude average citizens from interdicting any federal criminals, let alone any local or state law enforcement from doing the same.

01:00:59.000 Problem is, the FBI will still come after you.

01:01:01.000 They do not want people protecting their own private property.

01:01:05.000 Well, nor requiring any special training precedent to doing so.

01:01:08.000 Now, two questions, please.

01:01:10.000 Even the more establishment read a Bush administration-friendly analyst, pointed out in the last week or two, about how totally unworkable Bush's proposals are, among other things, requiring additional, vast new bureaucracies to administer the guest worker programs and such.

01:01:31.000 And they point out that the systems are already two years in backlogs and all this already.

01:01:41.000 Roger, it's total capitulation.

01:01:43.000 What's your question?

01:01:44.000 Yeah, now it's one thing for these local clear channels to grouse on a weekly basis about illegal immigration.

01:01:50.000 Yet, do you find yourself with a shortage of interviews or getting turned down at the last minute once you cause real serious embarrassment?

01:02:01.000 Okay, thanks for the call, Roger.

01:02:03.000 Comments, Mr. Bonner?

01:02:05.000 Well, it's going to be logistically Difficult to administer a program like that, obviously.

01:02:14.000 And I'm not arguing against a guest worker program, but there are two things that would have to happen in order for it to be legitimate.

01:02:23.000 One, don't reward the people who broke the law.

01:02:26.000 Don't give them any of the jobs.

01:02:27.000 And the other is, you have to turn off the job magnet.

01:02:32.000 You have to make it so that Immigration agents can enforce the laws against hiring people who don't have permission to be here. 0.99

01:02:39.000 Well, in the last three months, since the Walmart rate of 300, there have been no visits to any companies.

01:02:45.000 They need to charge these owners with felonies, and if they start doing that, the jobs will dry up real quick. 0.67

01:02:50.000 Well, the problem is the law puts the onus on the back of the employer.

01:02:54.000 They're the ones who have to come up with... They're charged with Proving that the person is here illegally, and that's not fair.

01:03:05.000 They're not the experts.

01:03:06.000 Federal agents study for years to pick off counterfeit documents.

01:03:11.000 You have 70 some odd documents... No, I'm not talking about counterfeit documents.

01:03:14.000 I'm talking about where they know they're illegal.

01:03:17.000 That's what I'm saying, Alex.

01:03:18.000 There are 70 some odd documents that you can...

01:03:21.000 So what we do is we come up with one identification that a foreign worker has to have. 0.98

01:03:26.000 those can be easily counterfeited so when we go in and raid these places

01:03:30.000 they say look here's the photocopy and you look at it and you say well this is phony as a

01:03:35.000 three dollar bill but you can't prove that they didn't know that. So what we do is we come up

01:03:39.000 with one identification that a foreign worker has to have. Exactly. 0.82

01:03:45.000 But anybody who is here illegally is deported. 0.88

01:03:48.000 Can't we do something like Eisenhower did? 0.66

01:03:49.000 Round up these millions and throw them out of here?

01:03:52.000 We could if we had the will.

01:03:57.000 And it wouldn't be very hard.

01:03:58.000 I guarantee you, you start arresting a couple thousand people a day in every state, the others are going to head for the hills.

01:04:05.000 That's what happened last time.

01:04:08.000 But when we really boil it down, Mr. Bonner, the government wants it legalized, don't they?

01:04:13.000 The government wants, they want to reward the big business owners who want cheap exploitable labor.

01:04:21.000 They want to drive down the wages.

01:04:22.000 They want to eliminate the middle class. 0.92

01:04:26.000 And that's the state of government plan.

01:04:27.000 Eliminate the middle class. 0.91

01:04:28.000 We've got one more quick segment with our guests.

01:04:30.000 We'll come back and talk to Elizabeth and then Kevin and then we'll let our guests go and we'll go to Rhonda and Stacey and others that are patiently holding.

01:04:42.000 We're talking to the President of the National Border Patrol Council, P.J.

01:04:48.000 And the website is noamnesty.com.

01:04:48.000 Bonner.

01:04:52.000 We've got a link to it at infowars.com.

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01:08:12.000 From deep in the heart of Texas, we're coming to you live on this 14th day of January 2003.

01:08:18.000 It's going to take two or three more calls for our guest and let him get back to his important work there in Washington, D.C.

01:08:24.000 He's the president of the big union of 9,000 Border Patrol agents, the National Border Patrol Council.

01:08:31.000 Got a bunch of news articles with their comments and analysis at InfoWars.com.

01:08:36.000 Their site is NoAmnesty.com.

01:08:39.000 Mr. Bonner, again, President of the organization, right before the break you said it, that's what I said yesterday, this is about, because we have a big corporation saying this on record, getting rid of the middle class, turning this into a third world country, that's what the elite want, that's what they're doing, but still the average American I don't think understands that.

01:09:00.000 From what experience do you draw that conclusion?

01:09:03.000 You look at the way Mexico is run now and people say, Mexico is such a poor country.

01:09:11.000 It's not a poor country.

01:09:12.000 They have more natural resources than we do.

01:09:15.000 The problem with Mexico is all of the money is in the hands of a very few people at the top.

01:09:21.000 They have more billionaires, according to Forbes, per capita per population than any country in the world.

01:09:28.000 But they don't spread the wealth and I think that some people believe that that's the solution to the Illegal alien problem. 1.00

01:09:38.000 We depress our economy to the point where it becomes like theirs, so then there's no incentive for them to come across. 0.99

01:09:44.000 Everything is normalized.

01:09:45.000 They go up a little bit, we go down a lot.

01:09:49.000 That's not the American dream that I grew up.

01:09:52.000 Well, sir, you're very eloquent, right to the point.

01:09:56.000 Certainly you've heard NPR or the nightly news shows.

01:09:59.000 I hear them, Republicans and Democrats.

01:10:01.000 Oh, it's good the dollar's plunging.

01:10:03.000 Oh, it's good wages are dropping.

01:10:04.000 We've had it too good too long.

01:10:06.000 We're going to lower ourselves to the other standards.

01:10:10.000 This is fair.

01:10:11.000 But really, it's just a bunch of elitists setting up a command and control system.

01:10:15.000 Sure.

01:10:16.000 You don't see them giving up any of their money.

01:10:20.000 Well, number one, when you lower standards of service and wages, it hurts the entire economy.

01:10:24.000 It only helps the elite.

01:10:26.000 We don't have to accept, you know, the bottom falling out and, you know, the giant sucking sound.

01:10:32.000 That's what globalism does, is it brings down the mass of people and centralizes the power for a tiny elite.

01:10:39.000 Absolutely.

01:10:41.000 Man, I tell you, we're blessed to have you as the Border Patrol Union Head.

01:10:41.000 Unbelievable.

01:10:48.000 I would guess that you're elected?

01:10:49.000 Yes.

01:10:50.000 Well, that's why.

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01:10:52.000 This man is a representation of our Border Patrol.

01:10:57.000 Before we go to these calls, these final calls, what about the Mexican troops shooting and killing your officers and the federal government? 0.95

01:11:04.000 I mean, I know that if some right-winger or left-winger killed a Fed, there'd be a task force of 500 Feds hunting them down, their mommy, their daddy, and their greedy, greedy granny. 0.68

01:11:14.000 But when Border Patrol gets killed or forest agents get killed by Mexican troops or shot at, nothing happens.

01:11:20.000 Talk about that.

01:11:22.000 Well, even worse than that is if the shoe's on the other foot, nothing happens.

01:11:27.000 A good example was there was a Marine Sergeant out in San Diego a few years ago.

01:11:33.000 Went down to Tijuana to pick up a couple of his troops who had been disordered the night before.

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01:11:43.000 He said, well, I've got my hunting rifle behind the seat.

01:11:46.000 They seized his truck, threw him in jail.

01:11:49.000 It took several months with congressional intervention to get him out of Mexican prison.

01:11:54.000 Fast forward a few years, Later in El Paso, Texas, near El Paso, Texas, 14 armed Mexican soldiers in two Humvees firing automatic weapons shot at Border Patrol agents.

01:12:09.000 We apprehended them within hours.

01:12:11.000 State Department told us, let them go.

01:12:13.000 Everything went back to Mexico.

01:12:17.000 Well, look, I mean, the case you talk about, somebody can have a .22 shell under the seat that they forgot, and they take your car, beat you up, put you in a dirt-bottom jail, take, extort $100,000 out of your family, but nobody weeps and wails, you know, about that.

01:12:33.000 Oh, that's loving!

01:12:36.000 All I'm saying is, if we're gonna, if they want to play it that way, we should play it the same way. 0.84

01:12:41.000 Well, sir, I've said that next time Mexican troops open fire, which they do now on a weekly basis on people, we need to have the military down there and wipe them out.

01:12:52.000 Generally speaking, when someone crosses your borders with their military and fires upon your citizens, that's an act of war.

01:12:59.000 Well, sir, absolutely, this is all just common sense, but...

01:13:03.000 You know, they're putting troops on the streets, giving military hardware to police where it shouldn't be.

01:13:07.000 The one place it should be is on the Border Patrol.

01:13:09.000 Have you, uh, has your union and the 9,000 officers called for armored vehicles and 50-cal weapons and helicopters to engage these enemy forces?

01:13:19.000 No, but we have asked for the military to support us.

01:13:22.000 Well, why not just militarize the Border Patrol?

01:13:24.000 That's totally constitutional.

01:13:26.000 I suppose that's one way to do it.

01:13:31.000 Look, how about the governors sending the state guards down there, contingents, to serve their yearly terms on the weekends with you guys?

01:13:39.000 I mean, we need troops down there now!

01:13:42.000 Well, I disagree that we need troops to stop illegal immigrants because it takes specialized civilian law enforcement training and you have to understand the language so that you don't get yourself hurt when somebody I was saying have troops there to stop the Mexican troops. 1.00

01:14:02.000 Okay, that I agree with.

01:14:05.000 Okay, let's take three calls.

01:14:06.000 We'll let you go.

01:14:07.000 We appreciate all your time.

01:14:08.000 Let's talk to Elizabeth in Maryland. 0.86

01:14:10.000 Elizabeth, go ahead. 0.99

01:14:15.000 Yes, go ahead.

01:14:17.000 Yes, Mr. Bonner, I think one of your key points is to enlist the middle class.

01:14:22.000 It's a big voting bloc.

01:14:24.000 And I think what people don't realize, the border is right out by our front door.

01:14:31.000 It's coming closer and closer to all this anarchy.

01:14:34.000 And I want to say something that Alex said that sometime back, that we had a small window of time to stand up against various things within the New World Order, like the RFID.

01:14:46.000 And he encouraged me, he was part of my encouragement, to start a talk show.

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01:15:06.000 And this will continue next week, too.

01:15:08.000 Okay, ma'am.

01:15:09.000 What else is on your mind about immigration?

01:15:11.000 Alright, I think that it is very imperative that each of us takes our conscience and our will And does what Mr. Bonner said, and writes, we write a letter to our congressman.

01:15:25.000 And I think that we have to get out of this apathy.

01:15:28.000 And if three million listeners are hearing you, Alex, all three million should do it, not just listen.

01:15:33.000 Absolutely.

01:15:34.000 Thanks for the call.

01:15:35.000 So many people say, oh, we can't do anything, there's nothing we can do.

01:15:37.000 That's because you've never gotten off your hind end.

01:15:40.000 We'd be in a lot worse shape if it wasn't for people like Mr. Bonner.

01:15:44.000 Sir, comments to that?

01:15:45.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:15:46.000 And, you know, if you don't want to write your own letter, Visit our website, noamnacy.com.

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01:15:56.000 No excuse.

01:15:57.000 Jay in Colorado.

01:15:58.000 You're on the air.

01:15:59.000 Go ahead.

01:16:00.000 You took my question.

01:16:00.000 Hi Alex.

01:16:01.000 I was hoping you would talk about the military coming across and kidnapping people.

01:16:06.000 Oh yeah.

01:16:07.000 What about kidnapping that family, sir?

01:16:09.000 Outrageous.

01:16:10.000 Outrageous.

01:16:11.000 Could you imagine the outcry if U.S.

01:16:13.000 troops had done that with Mexico?

01:16:15.000 We would not hear the end of that during our lifetimes.

01:16:19.000 And yet, I haven't heard a word about it.

01:16:21.000 Just a little bit of media coverage, and it's gone.

01:16:25.000 Sir, what did you think, or were you aware that Fox came to Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, gave awards to governors, to police forces.

01:16:33.000 I bullhorned him, shut down his speech in his press conference.

01:16:37.000 He gave awards to the police and said, thank you for not enforcing the immigration laws and accepting the Council of Matricula. 0.97

01:16:45.000 That's sad.

01:16:48.000 What if Kim Jong Il came here from North Korea and gave awards to people for not, you know, letting him infiltrate?

01:16:59.000 The American public needs to be outraged and they need to make their voices heard.

01:17:03.000 Okay, Jay, anything else?

01:17:04.000 No one else really had any more details on what the family, the family of five and the dad was kept and the family was released, what they were charged with and what that guy, you know what I mean?

01:17:15.000 But that was the reason besides showing they could do it, I know someone opined that, but I wonder if Mr. Bonner knew what that guy was even charged with, why they even said they needed to take him.

01:17:25.000 He lived a mile over the border, he was shooting at rabbits with a .22, and then for some reason a day later, the Mexican troops thought they had been shot at and came and grabbed the family.

01:17:35.000 Is that what you got, Mr. Bonner?

01:17:36.000 Yeah, and all I have is what I read in the paper.

01:17:39.000 I don't have any inside information on this, unfortunately. 0.84

01:17:43.000 i got shit through or something but should be on the news that's all go right last night 0.78

01:17:48.000 talking to a a a principal and uh... new york city 0.98

01:17:51.000 and they were talking about security guards can we get some cops in there and 1.00

01:17:53.000 the guy said enough

01:17:55.000 principle that we don't want to turn in there kept x-ray guantanamo

01:17:59.000 even if it is or at least that you have to do

01:18:02.000 if i do I appreciate it, Jay.

01:18:08.000 Your Border Patrol agents routinely get their vehicles shot up.

01:18:11.000 What have they been instructed to do when they're shot at by Mexican troops?

01:18:15.000 Because I've read they've been told not to return fire.

01:18:18.000 Yeah, especially if it's going across the border, they're told you have to be really careful about that.

01:18:24.000 So don't shoot back when you're getting shot at.

01:18:26.000 Pardon?

01:18:27.000 So don't shoot back when you're getting shot at.

01:18:29.000 Well, they haven't gone quite that far.

01:18:32.000 But they're saying that, look, if you're going to be shooting into Mexico, you can harm innocent people.

01:18:38.000 And it's like, well, wait a second, they're shooting into the United States, and there's the odds are that they're going to harm some innocent person here. 0.69

01:18:45.000 Well, they've been killing people.

01:18:47.000 Let's take one final call.

01:18:49.000 David, last caller.

01:18:50.000 Go ahead real quick.

01:18:51.000 Yes, sir.

01:18:52.000 Thank you.

01:18:52.000 You know, you talk about certain things that make it apparent that you understand.

01:18:58.000 I'm sure you do understand the larger ramifications of this.

01:19:02.000 like uh... you know one percent a fox and uh... the mexican army were parading

01:19:06.000 around and uh...

01:19:07.000 uh... mexican war type uniforms up and down the border

01:19:12.000 and how people love that too claim that their property is being trespassed i'll get sued

01:19:17.000 by morris these and even get arrested

01:19:20.000 when uh... illegals cross their their there are all hold you over david let you finish up i got a

01:19:24.000 lot of guests go comments are what he just said

01:19:28.000 uh...

01:19:30.000 it's pretty outrageous when mexico's creating its military force and using actually

01:19:37.000 using their military to

01:19:39.000 service for all four the drug runners

01:19:42.000 Bye.

01:19:43.000 But until the United States stands up and says, this is unacceptable, it will continue.

01:19:49.000 Alright, Mr. Bonner, President of the Big Border Union, Border Patrol Union, thanks for spending time with us.

01:19:55.000 Take care.

01:19:56.000 Thank you, bye.

01:19:57.000 We'll be back folks.

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01:24:10.000 down. No, I.

01:24:12.000 But what an amazing interview with the head of the Border Patrol Union, talking about plans to get rid of the middle class, plans of the elite, end of America, end of sovereignty.

01:24:24.000 I mean, these are the exact things I say on this show, because it's what's happening, folks.

01:24:28.000 It's the reality.

01:24:29.000 We're about to go back to David in Michigan and Rhonda in Missouri, because they've been holding so long, and then I'm told Don in Pennsylvania disagrees with me or something, so you'll be next after them and then Mark and others.

01:24:41.000 David in Michigan, making great points.

01:24:44.000 Go ahead and continue.

01:24:46.000 Sir, well, what I wanted to say, and I wanted to say this, if I could, to Mr. Bonner, but, you know, people that you interview on these subjects, a lot of times they see these things in isolation because they're so close to the thing.

01:24:58.000 But it sounded like he does understand that what this is really about is the end of national sovereignty and the fact that you have people getting arrested for invoking their rights under our laws Yet our people somehow go to Mexico, including our president.

01:25:15.000 We're expected to make concessions so that we can be more like them. 0.99

01:25:19.000 And at the future of all of this, George W. Bush is not acting out of stupidity. 0.98

01:25:24.000 And Vicente Fox is giving speeches saying, I'm taking America over. 0.98

01:25:29.000 He's got armed troops marching along the border, publicly saying we're taking things back, putting out bounties on Border Patrol agents' heads.

01:25:37.000 And it's so cute.

01:25:38.000 It's so funny.

01:25:40.000 GW is doing what he's there to do, just as Clinton was doing the same thing, that we were outraged about these things.

01:25:46.000 Somehow the neocon talk shows, now they're making noise about it when it doesn't matter anymore.

01:25:51.000 You know, let us burn out our anger and talk about this until we're tired and then, you know, we'll go on.

01:25:57.000 But we could have done something about this before Bush actually, you know, pulled this off.

01:26:04.000 There could have been so much rage and there could have been so much interest in the public that they might have They contacted Congress and put a lot of pressure on them to stop, but they're not about to do that.

01:26:14.000 Now they'll let us burn our anger out after the deed is already done.

01:26:18.000 Well, Bush has to... Bush, you know, he's saying he may not even need Congress, but yes he does, and we're not going to let him do that.

01:26:25.000 Thank you.

01:26:25.000 Thanks for the call.

01:26:26.000 Let's talk to Rhonda in Missouri. 0.66

01:26:28.000 Rhonda, go ahead. 1.00

01:26:29.000 Hi, Alex.

01:26:31.000 Hey.

01:26:32.000 You're my big Berkey to this toxic stream of information we have to listen to all the time. 0.62

01:26:40.000 Yeah, boy, opening up these borders ought to make Al-Qaeda easier to find. 0.85

01:26:44.000 Doesn't that ought to make it easier to find them Al-Qaeda boys? 0.84

01:26:48.000 Them Al-Qaeda's. 0.94

01:26:49.000 We got to give all our rights up, because Al-Qaeda will get us. 0.99

01:26:52.000 Let's open the border up.

01:26:53.000 Let's just legalize them all.

01:26:55.000 You know, people say, well, CNN can't expose the PNAC document, and Fox can't expose Clinton's involvement in putting HIV into the blood supply.

01:27:09.000 Because evil can't cast out evil.

01:27:11.000 Because they're, like you said, all the time, they're two arms of the same beast.

01:27:16.000 And what prompted me to call was your opening remarks at the beginning of the show.

01:27:22.000 And I agree with a lot of what you said.

01:27:25.000 And, you know, what I've come to discover is, you know, what faith does it take to wait until you see the Lord Jesus Christ before you speak the truth?

01:27:35.000 I figure I won't see him unless I do speak the truth.

01:27:39.000 You know, because the Lord is the truth.

01:27:42.000 And I see it as my duty, if I want to bring heaven to earth, to bring it, let the Lord come through me.

01:27:49.000 And He is the living vine.

01:27:53.000 And you know, all this talk about, well, you know, the Lord's got to return.

01:27:58.000 I'm seeing more and more that He doesn't have to return to me, I've got to return to Him.

01:28:01.000 We create hell on earth by going along with evil and not standing up against it.

01:28:07.000 And we can create heaven on earth, too, just like you.

01:28:10.000 The things you've gone through, you know, being kidnapped by their, you know, goblins and, you know, speaking out the truth, you know, the Lord's protected you.

01:28:19.000 Not because he's somewhere else.

01:28:21.000 Because he's here.

01:28:22.000 Oh, I have no doubt of that.

01:28:24.000 Thanks for the call, Rhonda.

01:28:26.000 Yeah, you talk about his goblins.

01:28:27.000 That's when I asked Bush a question about the CFR, and they kidnapped me for 45 minutes and threw me out on the side of the highway.

01:28:34.000 There's video of that in Police State 3, total enslavement.

01:28:37.000 Let's go to Don in Pennsylvania, and Don will hold you over, so don't hang up during the break.

01:28:42.000 You say I don't have credibility or something?

01:28:44.000 Oh, no, I apologize.

01:28:44.000 Maybe I wanted to clear something up.

01:28:45.000 No, I want you to.

01:28:46.000 I want you to disagree with me.

01:28:47.000 Go ahead.

01:28:48.000 I've been listening to your show since August 15th.

01:28:50.000 You've optimized a few things.

01:28:51.000 I have a concern I want to bring up to you as a friend here.

01:28:54.000 Look, you had said a few days back something about how, it was a small snippet of information, how with all these companies facing all these crises of stock games and insider trading and all this stuff, you had mentioned how the Enron hadn't gotten in any trouble because they were Bush buddies.

01:29:09.000 Yeah, this is not a head guy they're prosecuting right now.

01:29:14.000 It's not?

01:29:14.000 No, it's just a little side minion.

01:29:17.000 You're not going to see anything happen to Kenneth Leigh.

01:29:19.000 My point was, is they're going after Martha Stewart for nothing, while not going after all the... I mean, look at the stuff Halliburton's doing right now.

01:29:29.000 All the scams they're engaged in, right out in plain view.

01:29:31.000 Stay there, Don.

01:29:32.000 Yeah.

01:29:33.000 I'll come back to you after the break and talk about this, and we'll talk to Mark, and then I'm going to go into news and back into calls.

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01:33:22.000 Don in Pennsylvania was calling in and He volunteered to the folks answering the phone that he thinks I've lost some credibility.

01:33:30.000 Then once we got him on air, we're trying to find out exactly what he's saying.

01:33:36.000 What I'm telling you, sir, is that everybody at the high levels in Enron needs to have already been tried and convicted.

01:33:43.000 It's so obvious what they did.

01:33:44.000 They're a giant offshore money laundering operation.

01:33:48.000 But instead, you've had a few top-level people in Arthur Anderson and Enron with their heads blown off.

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01:34:12.000 And that's what they've done in the past with the SNL scams and all of it.

01:34:18.000 They just do this over and over again.

01:34:20.000 Go ahead.

01:34:21.000 Okay, thanks.

01:34:22.000 I wasn't meaning to attack you.

01:34:26.000 I was just concerned that maybe you had said something that turned out to be different than what you had said.

01:34:30.000 Apparently, though, I wasn't paying enough attention to the information I heard on the news today.

01:34:35.000 I've actually got the article here about going after one of the executives, and it is an executive, but it's not Ken Lay or the other top people.

01:34:43.000 Okay, okay.

01:34:43.000 Well, I learned something today.

01:34:45.000 The point I was making last week about these corporate scammers, the show I think you heard, was it last week?

01:34:51.000 I think so.

01:34:52.000 Somewhere, it was a few days ago.

01:34:53.000 What I said was, is they're going after, yeah, it was last Friday with the international forecaster Bob Chapman on.

01:34:59.000 We were talking about after hours trading By Martha Stewart, that didn't even amount to a million dollars, that is unethical but not illegal.

01:35:09.000 And I've seen the law.

01:35:11.000 Meanwhile, we've got Bush with Harkin Energy dumping all his stock right before they imploded the company.

01:35:17.000 That clearly was illegal.

01:35:20.000 So, it's a joke.

01:35:23.000 Martha Stewart isn't even on the Richter scale compared to the big scams of Halliburton and Enron.

01:35:31.000 Yeah, Martha should be left alone. 1.00

01:35:32.000 I do agree with you on that.

01:35:35.000 I just saw something on the news this morning.

01:35:38.000 Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention.

01:35:39.000 I didn't catch the name of who it was.

01:35:41.000 I thought it was one of the higher-ups.

01:35:43.000 And I just wanted to call and say hey.

01:35:44.000 Well, that's how they phrase it.

01:35:46.000 That's how they phrase it.

01:35:47.000 OK.

01:35:49.000 OK.

01:35:49.000 I got you.

01:35:51.000 Thanks for the call, bud.

01:35:52.000 I learned something.

01:35:53.000 I appreciate the call.

01:35:53.000 Thanks.

01:35:54.000 Good to hear from you.

01:35:55.000 Man, I thought that was somebody who was mad at me.

01:35:57.000 Those make for great calls.

01:36:00.000 I get mad at those calls, but they are interesting.

01:36:03.000 I like to hear why folks think I'm wrong, but no, they're not bringing the real corporate criminals to justice.

01:36:11.000 Bottom line.

01:36:12.000 Let me give you a few examples of that and we'll take some more calls.

01:36:15.000 Here's a couple examples of that.

01:36:17.000 Okay?

01:36:18.000 This is from KHOU Television.

01:36:20.000 Halliburton trainees complain they're not being paid.

01:36:25.000 And it says, Channel 11 News, with more devastation happening every day, the big job of rebuilding Iraq is the responsibility of Houston-based Halliburton.

01:36:35.000 Hundreds of Americans have been recruited and brought to Houston for training.

01:36:40.000 Busloads of skilled workers, like carpenters and mechanics, have been hired by KBR, a division of Halliburton.

01:36:46.000 While we're not here, While we are here, we are not being compensated with pay, said one worker.

01:36:53.000 And he won't be until his work in Iraq for a month.

01:36:55.000 He's a truck driver who asked not to be identified.

01:36:58.000 He's been in Houston since December 14th.

01:37:01.000 And he goes on to talk about how they were promised pay, and then weren't given it, and are being strung along, and are sent to Iraq and not paid.

01:37:08.000 I mean, that's like indentured servant.

01:37:10.000 But compared to that, I remember a story last year when Halliburton went in there and took over most of the contracts.

01:37:16.000 They will not let Iraqis sell beer, fish, dates, pomegranates, everything on the street corners unless, and this was in Baghdad, Chalibi, unless they go to Chalibi and sign up with Halliburton and pay Halliburton a percentage, a license to be able to work. 0.84

01:37:39.000 And then they have to wear an RFID bracelet or necklace.

01:37:43.000 And then I, a little microchip, and then I had to scan who they are and if they're registered.

01:37:47.000 And then a week later I saw an Associated Press photo, an accompanying article, of a truck full of men with bags over their heads.

01:37:57.000 And it said these men were caught selling items without provisional government authorization, and so now they're being taken to the Baghdad airport as terrorists.

01:38:07.000 And it listed what they've been caught selling.

01:38:09.000 Beer and fish.

01:38:12.000 Now, are you starting to get an idea?

01:38:15.000 You go to the airport, where they've got barbed wire fences and people with their children living in sand with nothing but a blanket over them.

01:38:25.000 They torture the living daylights out of people.

01:38:27.000 There's articles every day admitting that.

01:38:28.000 I mean, this is what they've done to Iraq? 0.84

01:38:31.000 This is freedom?

01:38:33.000 They're confiscating their guns, something Saddam didn't do. 0.71

01:38:36.000 How could Saddam stand there in a crowd of thousands with AK-47s?

01:38:39.000 You know, ten yards from people below them with loaded weapons firing them in the air.

01:38:50.000 Again, I want you to think about that.

01:38:52.000 And I'm not saying he's a good guy, but they were freer there with the Second Amendment, their own Second Amendment, than we are here today. 0.96

01:38:59.000 And he's a dictator and he's so wicked.

01:39:03.000 Wow, he must have really been hated, folks. 0.97

01:39:05.000 But the point is, they're taking their guns, they're taking everything.

01:39:09.000 And listen to this.

01:39:10.000 Contractors serve troops dirty food in dirty kitchens.

01:39:14.000 This is out of the French News Agency.

01:39:16.000 Also have one here out of the Taipei Times.

01:39:19.000 It says the Pentagon reportedly warned contractor Halliburton KBR that the food it served to U.S.

01:39:25.000 troops in Iraq was dirty, that's the quote, and as were the kitchens it was served, NBC News reported on Friday.

01:39:33.000 Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown and Roots promises to improve have not been followed through, quote, according to a Pentagon report that warned serious repercussions may result if the contractor did not clean up.

01:39:44.000 The Pentagon reported finding blood all over the floor, dirty Pans, dirty grills, dirty salad bars, rotting meats and vegetables.

01:39:54.000 And for the military messes, the company operates in Iraq, NBC said, citing Pentagon documents.

01:39:59.000 I'm just trying to give you an idea of Halliburton.

01:40:03.000 Did you know I saw an article last year where, when the invasion had just been successful, where it said the federal government will not allow water filters to be shipped to the troops.

01:40:13.000 They won't pay for them.

01:40:16.000 Instead, Halliburton trucks water from Kuwait in trucks, and it's making the troops sick.

01:40:23.000 Because why?

01:40:24.000 Halliburton makes more money trucking in tankers of water than sending the troops water filters that every other military issues their troops.

01:40:37.000 He's starting to get the picture here.

01:40:42.000 By the way, they're also, the Pentagon now makes the troops pay for their meals.

01:40:47.000 This has never been done, but over half of the meals they eat, they must purchase.

01:40:55.000 Oh, support the troops.

01:40:56.000 Oh yeah, this is while they're breathing depleted uranium.

01:40:59.000 But you think, you know, what's the big deal with that?

01:41:05.000 This is what they're doing to the troops.

01:41:06.000 Halliburton, there's been no bids allowed.

01:41:10.000 Halliburton and its subsidiaries got all the contracts.

01:41:13.000 Bechtel and Dyncor and the rest of them all got the contracts.

01:41:19.000 Nobody else did.

01:41:20.000 Then when heat got put on them for not allowing bids, they said, we're not going to give them Frenchies any contracts.

01:41:26.000 That was a red herring.

01:41:28.000 No one's been given contracts.

01:41:29.000 Not American companies.

01:41:30.000 No one.

01:41:31.000 No one but these three groups with Halliburton getting over 80% of it.

01:41:36.000 So then there's the red herring on the news of, are we going to let those evil French have some of the contracts? 1.00

01:41:40.000 No, no, no!

01:41:42.000 You see, when they get caught not allowing contracts for American companies, they put the red herring out of, we can't allow the French to get it! 1.00

01:41:48.000 See?

01:41:48.000 And then they keep a close shop.

01:41:50.000 This is how they deceive you.

01:41:52.000 Great example of that.

01:41:54.000 And folks, that's not even the beginning of it.

01:41:57.000 I have a Salon Magazine article here in front of me.

01:42:02.000 And I bet you didn't know that Halliburton makes rockets and satellites.

01:42:06.000 Well, they didn't, but Bush's new giant $80 billion over the next decade, NASA increase he's scheduled to announce today, but I've got the details right here.

01:42:19.000 Guess who's going to get the money?

01:42:21.000 That's right, Halliburton.

01:42:23.000 I mean, it's just like a giant private cash machine.

01:42:27.000 First they caught Halliburton charging over double what fuel cost and not allowing others to bring fuel in to sell it to the army.

01:42:37.000 Oh, and then they found the fuel had had water mixed into it.

01:42:40.000 I mean, you talk about a criminal looting, folks.

01:42:44.000 That's what's happening.

01:42:46.000 And then Limbaugh gets on the air and goes, the liberals are attacking Halliburton.

01:42:50.000 No, all the liberal leadership are in on the cash cow.

01:42:53.000 Halliburton on Mars, take me to your CEO.

01:42:56.000 When President Bush inspires us onward and upward to Mars this week, his political calculations may be more earthly.

01:43:03.000 Expanding space exploration is a wonderful aspiration for America's humanity, I agree.

01:43:08.000 And also quite promising for the Houston economy, the national aerospace industry, and one company in particular that has long pondered exploration of the red planet, Halliburton.

01:43:18.000 Yes, the firm once headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, fabled beneficiary of the no-bid multi-billion dollar military contracts and high-priced provider of Kuwaiti oil, is determined to drill on Mars and the Moon.

01:43:30.000 Surely this scheme has nothing to do with the Bush Space Initiative, but somehow, no matter what worthy motivations lie behind the President's policies, he and Cheney always appear to be shifting with a corporate clientele.

01:43:44.000 And then I get into the article here, a handful of top firms including Halliburton Shell and Schlumberger showed up for NASA's workshop at Los Alamos, New Mexico.

01:43:56.000 And I looked into this this morning.

01:43:58.000 What they're doing is, They're not going to go drill on Mars or the Moon.

01:44:02.000 They're going to have giant, multi-billion dollar test stations, where instead of having a $3 million oil drilling rig, it'll be billions, because it's designed specifically for Mars, and they won't even be drilling.

01:44:15.000 They'll just be out in the desert doing tests.

01:44:17.000 See?

01:44:18.000 I mean, this is just craziness, folks.

01:44:25.000 They plan to be drilling on the moon by 2007.

01:44:26.000 I mean, now we're going to be sending spacecraft to the moon with oil rigs on it.

01:44:36.000 And of course, it's all just, oh, it's research!

01:44:41.000 This is just getting nuts, man.

01:44:43.000 I mean, you know, rotten food, double-priced oil, not paying their employees, scamming everybody. 0.97

01:44:53.000 They're organized criminals, folks. 0.53

01:44:58.000 Let's go back to the calls.

01:45:00.000 Now I don't know who's up next.

01:45:02.000 It's my fault, as usual.

01:45:04.000 Who's up next, Mark?

01:45:07.000 Mark in Texas, then Rodney and others.

01:45:10.000 Go ahead, Mark.

01:45:12.000 Hey, Alex.

01:45:13.000 Hello.

01:45:13.000 I wanted to make a couple of points.

01:45:15.000 Your previous caller, Rhonda, alluded to two arms of the same beast.

01:45:20.000 I caught the tail end of your cable access show here in Austin last night.

01:45:25.000 You were speaking to a couple of University of Texas students about a sociology textbook that made reference to the New World Order.

01:45:35.000 At the tail end of their call, one of them had mentioned the symbology on Fox, some of the symbols on Fox.

01:45:44.000 For those that don't know, this textbook, we had a bunch of callers about it, and I don't doubt it because I've seen similar stuff in the news, said we're going to go under martial law, new world order, if you try to leave the city you'll be machine gunned, it's good, yeah.

01:45:57.000 And I did get the ISPN number by the way, and that is a real textbook.

01:46:02.000 Yeah, what I thought was crucial in helping people understand the two arms of the same beast is this symbology.

01:46:12.000 That's right under our nose, right in front of our face.

01:46:15.000 You made mention of PBS and some other, AOL.

01:46:20.000 Yeah, the Time Warner symbol is the eye of Lucifer.

01:46:25.000 Same thing that's on the dollar bill.

01:46:26.000 It says New World Order under it, and then Rush Limbaugh says there's no New World Order.

01:46:32.000 Exactly.

01:46:36.000 It's just so blatant and in your face.

01:46:39.000 Hey, they've got a new Army of One ad.

01:46:42.000 I heard about it, went online and watched it.

01:46:44.000 They have a new Army of One ad.

01:46:45.000 I forgot to tell my webmaster to post that.

01:46:47.000 Paul or Violet, post that.

01:46:48.000 That's important.

01:46:49.000 New Army of One ad where it goes, I was a Russian Spetsnaz.

01:46:53.000 Now I am here in America and going to help you.

01:46:57.000 I mean, now the foreign troops are on the Army of One ads.

01:47:02.000 It's absolutely insane.

01:47:04.000 Uh, if you can stomach enough of Hannity and Combs, if you watch the camera shots that they make of them, they actually have little pyramids with a star over their head.

01:47:15.000 Uh, the symbology now on Fox, they've just changed a bunch of their graphics.

01:47:19.000 Now they're also mixing football reports with war, like it's entertainment.

01:47:24.000 Very sick.

01:47:25.000 And MTV is now, I've seen the articles, callers were calling about it last night, are flashing, Global Army, take over! 0.52

01:47:32.000 Power Rage! 0.99

01:47:33.000 You know, flashing all these images.

01:47:35.000 And the kids were all, Power Rage!

01:47:36.000 War!

01:47:38.000 It's just getting nuts!

01:47:40.000 I think it would be an important segment in your next documentary film to include I just had one other point I wanted to make and I'll let you go.

01:47:54.000 You know, I appreciate everyone who's out there that's handing out tapes, that's talking to people, but I think we need to start thinking in And how we can reach more people with one fell swoop, whether it's going into chat rooms, whether it's breaking through these call screeners at these neocon talk shows. 0.78

01:48:18.000 We need to start thinking about how many people can we reach at once.

01:48:22.000 To get the message across.

01:48:23.000 Think about that.

01:48:24.000 These big national shows screen the calls.

01:48:26.000 If you get through and expose them as phony conservatives, they will claim you are a seminar caller, that you don't exist.

01:48:33.000 I've had it happen to me.

01:48:35.000 I've had them claim I'm a Democratic Party plant because I exposed Bush for wanting to sign the assault weapons ban.

01:48:42.000 Thanks for taking my call, Alex.

01:48:44.000 Hey, good to hear from you.

01:48:45.000 We'll break, come back with more news and more calls.

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01:54:13.000 All right, Rodney and Ron and Brandon and Malta and Gene, your calls are all coming up.

01:54:19.000 Third hour, straight ahead.

01:54:22.000 Court upholds use of random police roadblocks.

01:54:26.000 Supreme Court.

01:54:27.000 Four dead in a suicide bombing.

01:54:29.000 Facing a biometric future.

01:54:31.000 BBC, the world ID card.

01:54:34.000 Bush to seek unmanned mission to the moon this decade, as well as Mars.

01:54:38.000 civil rights groups vow to fight color-coding of air passengers.

01:54:38.000 U.S.

01:54:42.000 That goes into the world ID card.

01:54:44.000 And more.

01:54:47.000 First off, court upholds use of random police roadblocks.

01:54:52.000 They say that's not a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

01:54:55.000 And they say as long, and it's a reissuance of what they said last year.

01:55:00.000 They keep ruling like this.

01:55:01.000 Well, as long as you violate everybody's rights, it's not discrimination.

01:55:05.000 It's fair.

01:55:06.000 Just search everyone, dig through everyone, and it's okay.

01:55:10.000 Folks, that's not what the Bill of Rights says.

01:55:13.000 But again, people don't know the Bill of Rights.

01:55:15.000 They don't know our history.

01:55:16.000 So, oh, it must be good.

01:55:17.000 Court upholds use of random police roadblocks.

01:55:19.000 The Supreme Court yesterday upheld the use of random roadblocks by police to track suspected criminals.

01:55:25.000 Oh, see, now it's to track suspected criminals, saying limited checkpoints do not violate the constitutional right and privacy of motorists.

01:55:32.000 Having somebody demand you get out of your car, they're going to search you.

01:55:35.000 In a 6-3 decision, the high court overturned an Illinois Supreme Court ruling that said 97 alcohol-related arrests of a motorist at a roadblock set up by police to collect tips about a hit-and-run driver, oh, there's always for that, violated a man's Fourth Amendment guaranteed against illegal search and seizure.

01:55:50.000 Folks, the Feds preemptively announced national checkpoints for Christmas and other holidays.

01:55:57.000 New Year's and Thanksgiving.

01:55:59.000 And they've upheld that.

01:56:01.000 Are those national search warrants that are announced?

01:56:03.000 Is that to stop hit-and-run drivers?

01:56:05.000 No, it's to search people's vehicles as the National Seatbelt Initiative Act of 98 funded it $4 billion a year.

01:56:13.000 To set up checkpoints, to train us to accept checkpoints, to then set up polling.

01:56:19.000 That is toll roads.

01:56:21.000 To get us ready for that and to fund that.

01:56:23.000 And to federalize your local police.

01:56:26.000 Have you got the AMBER Alert?

01:56:28.000 It had nothing to do with AMBER.

01:56:30.000 I've had the former top FCC people on, who are now retired, admitting that it's a control grid to have the feds take over radio and TV.

01:56:39.000 So, just so amazing that that's happening.

01:56:42.000 And there's this article here out of the BBC.

01:56:45.000 I remember about four years ago, I read the articles where the UN called for a world ID card.

01:56:52.000 Now, you'll still have your driver's license, which is a fiat national ID card with federal standards of biometrics and a face scan, a thumbprint, a strip on the back to be used for the new national sales tax.

01:57:04.000 But that is set according to the international treaty.

01:57:07.000 All the cards go into the same database system and are integrated.

01:57:12.000 And we all hear about, oh, the foreigners now have to thumbprint and facecam when they come into the country. 0.99

01:57:17.000 Yeah, but when you leave the country, you've got to do it too.

01:57:20.000 See, it's a world ID card.

01:57:22.000 They set this up last year.

01:57:23.000 They admitted it.

01:57:24.000 They talked about it four years ago.

01:57:27.000 But again, they don't call it open borders.

01:57:29.000 They don't call it end of sovereignty.

01:57:30.000 They call it amnesty.

01:57:32.000 Or they say they don't call it amnesty.

01:57:33.000 They call it guest worker.

01:57:35.000 They don't call it the Pan-American Union.

01:57:38.000 They call it the Free Trade Area of the Americas.

01:57:40.000 They label things differently.

01:57:42.000 Facing a biometric future, by the middle of next year the British passport could be quite different than the document currently waived at immigration.

01:57:50.000 As part of a growing concerns about national and global security, immigration and asylum, as well as a plain old identity theft.

01:57:56.000 The old UK travel document will not just carry a photograph, it will also have a microchip in it.

01:58:01.000 The chip will hold biometric data, unique psychological or behavioral characteristics.

01:58:07.000 Oh! 0.60

01:58:08.000 See all the data from what you buy and do.

01:58:10.000 And will be mandatory in passports renewed from 2007 to 2008.

01:58:16.000 From mid 2005, the data will be in the form of a digital photograph, which will be matched with a passport's chip.

01:58:22.000 And it goes on and on.

01:58:24.000 And our government's doing it, too.

01:58:27.000 So, there you go, boys and girls.

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02:00:08.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:00:14.000 Welcome back, folks.

02:00:15.000 Now into the third hour of this January 14, 2004 edition, this Wednesday edition.

02:00:23.000 We got loaded phone lines here.

02:00:25.000 I want to go to your calls, and then I'm going to get back into the news.

02:00:29.000 IRS gives no quarter.

02:00:31.000 Business owner faces life in prison for tax stance.

02:00:35.000 Also, bid to keep state off doctor's case rejected.

02:00:39.000 That is the case of Dr. Ramona Miller.

02:00:41.000 If you haven't heard about this, you'll definitely want to stay tuned.

02:00:45.000 soldiers kill protesters in Fuljala.

02:00:45.000 U.S.

02:00:48.000 Israelis to quiz Jacques Chirac on anti-Semitism.

02:00:52.000 U.S.

02:00:52.000 Iraq.

02:00:53.000 demolitions may violate laws of war.

02:00:57.000 Also, I've got a bunch of news about the National ID Card, the CAHPS II System, and the Total Control Grid.

02:01:03.000 Now, that's all coming up and a lot more.

02:01:06.000 Right now, let's go ahead and talk to Rodney in Texas.

02:01:10.000 Rodney, welcome.

02:01:11.000 Doing, and thank you for taking my call.

02:01:13.000 You bet.

02:01:15.000 I was interested in that article that you read about the Supreme Court ruling 6-3 to allow these checkpoints to be set up.

02:01:27.000 And the reason why I was interested is, in the article you were saying that there were random checkpoints, correct?

02:01:35.000 Well, what I'm saying is, is that there have been a bunch, they've been ruling multiple times yearly on different types of checkpoints.

02:01:43.000 They say if you're looking for drunks, you can do it.

02:01:44.000 If you're looking for drugs, you can do it.

02:01:47.000 Now it's, oh, in this case, if you think there's a hit-and-run driver, you can search everybody's cars. 0.88

02:01:51.000 I mean, it's ridiculous.

02:01:52.000 The cars don't even look the same.

02:01:54.000 the feds have funded a whole days nationally where you know the news

02:01:54.000 Yeah, I just don't understand.

02:01:59.000 announces there'll be thousands of checkpoints in the state this week

02:02:03.000 uh... you know they have federally funded random checkpoints then the supreme court says oh you can keep the checkpoints

02:02:09.000 going if it's for a specific thing you're looking for

02:02:12.000 uh... but but then they've also ruled they can have the big random ones

02:02:17.000 yeah i just don't understand you know i was listening to your guest uh...

02:02:21.000 uh... mister uh...

02:02:23.000 yeah i want to have a checkpoints on the border Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

02:02:27.000 You know, why don't you take some of those random checkpoints and put them down there on the border?

02:02:31.000 I mean, you know in that one county in Arizona that you mentioned, you got over one million coming into that state alone.

02:02:41.000 So why don't you put some of those random checkpoints down there rather than harass, you know, your Americans who are legally here in this country over You know, insignificant things like maybe having an open can of beer, you know, in the front seat at Starbucks.

02:02:58.000 Well, the other thing is, why do you give foreigners 7 to 10 years of tax exemption on income tax? 0.88

02:03:07.000 Why don't citizens get that?

02:03:08.000 Well, the news doesn't tell people about that, so they don't know!

02:03:11.000 You know, and I have actually witnessed that.

02:03:14.000 I've lived in neighborhoods where you had businesses, neighborhood, you know, little maw and paw businesses put out.

02:03:21.000 of business because the foreigners came in because they had the seven and ten year tax break 1.00

02:03:28.000 they were allowed to undercut you know in terms of prices undercut these mom-and-pop businesses

02:03:34.000 put them out of businesses now they have the monopoly and meanwhile an american citizen

02:03:40.000 challenges withholding goes public and they're about to give him life in prison

02:03:46.000 But sure, if you're a foreigner, hey, no taxes for you, baby. 1.00

02:03:49.000 Yeah, yeah, see this, this is, it really angers me, and there's one other thing that I want to touch on.

02:03:55.000 Well, what angers me is the foreigners are creating a monopoly of motels, hotels, and gas stations. 1.00

02:04:00.000 Right.

02:04:00.000 And grocery stores.

02:04:01.000 They're going to own everything.

02:04:03.000 That is by design.

02:04:05.000 Well, on Salon.com I was looking at an article where they were saying Bush was trying to sell his free trade to the Latin American countries.

02:04:14.000 Well, the Orange County Register back in November ran an article saying that out of 27 Latin American countries, upwards of 75% of those people over there hate George Bush with a passion.

02:04:27.000 Now they have started to associate Americans with all the bad things.

02:04:32.000 That have came as a result of so-called free trade.

02:04:35.000 And by the way, they pointed out that poverty is up in all 27 of those countries.

02:04:43.000 Look, look, look.

02:04:45.000 This so-called open border stuff is bad for everybody.

02:04:48.000 Great points, great call.

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02:08:02.000 Alright, let's go right back to these calls because the callers bring up different issues

02:08:09.000 from different angles and really gives us a good view of what's going on and make a

02:08:12.000 lot of wonderful points.

02:08:13.000 Uh, what?

02:08:15.000 Ron, and then Brad, and Malta, Gene, Alki, and Hawaii.

02:08:18.000 Everybody stay there, we're going to get to you.

02:08:20.000 Ron in New York.

02:08:21.000 Go ahead, you're on the air.

02:08:22.000 Hi, Alex.

02:08:24.000 You were correct when you said that equality is not just the purpose of the Constitution.

02:08:28.000 It's supposed to be not an equality of abuse of the citizens, but an equality of the enabling and the liberty of the citizens.

02:08:35.000 Well, the Supreme Court says as long as there's an equality of abuse, that as long as you search everyone on the highway, it's good.

02:08:44.000 I'd like saying, you know, Hitler isn't bad now because we found out he killed all Jews. 0.94

02:08:50.000 If one Jew wouldn't have escaped, it would have been good because he didn't discriminate, he killed all of them. 1.00

02:08:56.000 The Supreme Court no longer holds legitimacy as a judicial or political institution when two of its more senior members come out and make public pronouncements. 0.88

02:09:06.000 That their decisions should be based on international and foreign law as opposed to our Constitution.

02:09:10.000 Sir, four of them have said they're going to follow foreign courts, and the majority of the court has ruled citing foreign cases, so it's not two of them.

02:09:19.000 Okay, well it's even worse than I thought.

02:09:21.000 But that just proves my point all the more.

02:09:23.000 Sir, I've been seeing him say this for at least eight years since I got really informed and got on the air. 1.00

02:09:29.000 And let me tell you something, I have been accused so many times, I would say the Supreme Court's following you in law, following, oh you're a liar, shut up! 0.99

02:09:37.000 But now it's been all over the news, hasn't it? 0.97

02:09:39.000 Alex, with reference to the most recent ruling yesterday with the checkpoints for automobiles for the purposes of investigating unsolved past crimes.

02:09:48.000 Now how cleverly it's put, and if you look at that ruling, you'll see.

02:09:52.000 Unsolved past crimes.

02:09:54.000 Anybody who was in law enforcement, or probably anybody who watches TV, will know that there are a zillion unsolved past crimes.

02:10:02.000 The ruling didn't stipulate that even the crime that they might be stopping you for has to be one in an immediate time proximity.

02:10:10.000 They could set up a roadblock to check out a grocery store shooting from 1967.

02:10:13.000 Also, uh... that they are saying that the point here is the feds since ninety eight paid four billion dollars a year to pay the states to have checkpoints on a regular basis they've announced it on the news oh we got this federal program we're gonna be running hundreds of checkpoints in the city thousands of states and so how can the supreme court then claim oh well it's okay because it's looking for past crimes Alex my point is this

02:10:46.000 That if you have a zillion past unsolved crimes, that means you will almost in perpetuity, if you choose to, the state can have road checkpoints set up because there'll be a zillion reasons on a zillion occasions to set these checkpoints up.

02:11:01.000 Now let me stop you.

02:11:02.000 They got federal and state funded, that is state that are federally funded handbooks.

02:11:07.000 I've got dozens, dozens and dozens.

02:11:08.000 I've probably got a hundred of them, folks.

02:11:10.000 Well, of course.

02:11:10.000 and law enforcement magazines and publications where if you've got an anti-UN bumper sticker

02:11:16.000 it says go ahead and take them into jail they might be a terrorist.

02:11:19.000 Or, oh you've got a road almanac or world atlas, might be a terrorist, the FBI said

02:11:25.000 this is our excuse to go ahead and take people in.

02:11:27.000 Well how many of you have road atlases in your car?

02:11:32.000 It's any excuse to get their hooks into us.

02:11:34.000 That's correct.

02:11:35.000 You really don't think, and I don't think your audience is so naive as to think that these checkpoints will largely be set up to find out about old grocery store robberies.

02:11:44.000 They will be used as a dragnet to call as many violations and arrests as they can and inquires as they can for everything else Other than that, that's what this is about.

02:11:53.000 Okay, the National Seat Belt Initiative Program, that I have the images of the document in Police State 2000, my first Police State film, it says that it is to get us used to checkpoints, to set up internal toll roads that are state manned, and also with volunteers, citizen volunteers at them, and it says these checkpoints are a great way to look for guns and drugs.

02:12:19.000 You got it, and not only that, As much as they've been doing it, now with this ruling they have an excuse to even do it far more than they have and they've been doing it too much.

02:12:28.000 And the Supreme Court also ruled on Monday that they can keep the names secret of who they've arrested as citizens and not release them.

02:12:36.000 Well you know what that's about Alex?

02:12:37.000 As it turns out that those detainees, none of them since 2001 have been charged with a crime.

02:12:43.000 I've come to this conclusion on my own.

02:12:45.000 The federal government made a big mistake.

02:12:47.000 If they could keep these people in jail until they die, they figure they could avoid any civil liability lawsuits if they let them out, and that's what they're going to do, probably, in my opinion.

02:12:57.000 Now, another thing, too, if the Illinois... This is another habit of the Supreme Court lately.

02:13:02.000 If a state chooses to give its citizen more protection and more liberty above and beyond the minimums of the U.S.

02:13:09.000 Constitution, that has been understood since time immemorial that any state has a right to do that.

02:13:14.000 It would seem to me, in this case, as in many, many others, Illinois chose to give its citizens greater protection from police intrusion.

02:13:22.000 Yet the Supreme Court chose to intervene and override Illinois.

02:13:27.000 The state of Illinois.

02:13:27.000 The courts of Illinois.

02:13:31.000 Absolutely.

02:13:32.000 Thanks for the call, Ron.

02:13:33.000 I appreciate it.

02:13:34.000 Let's talk to Brad in Illinois.

02:13:36.000 Brad, go ahead.

02:13:40.000 Yeah, I'm sorry I had the radio on.

02:13:44.000 I just wanted to call about talking about Illinois.

02:13:47.000 in yesterday's chicago sometimes are communist governor uh... showed his true colors

02:13:53.000 by uh...

02:13:54.000 going to state legislature that he wants to pass the forty-hour mandatory

02:13:59.000 community service for all high school students attending public school in

02:14:03.000 illinois before they can graduate and that's the national service

02:14:07.000 act uh... the compulsory uh... uh... uh...

02:14:11.000 national uh... draft that's in there

02:14:15.000 and it's going to turn into dozens of hours a week digging ditches picking up trash watching

02:14:21.000 title tale uh... computer monitors feeding them

02:14:25.000 uh... the surveillance cameras around town That's what your young children are going to be trained in.

02:14:29.000 How to be an East German Stasi.

02:14:32.000 Absolutely.

02:14:32.000 Now my son graduated last year, and they had a less restrictive A program in the school he went to and he didn't go through it.

02:14:41.000 I told the school he wasn't going to go through it.

02:14:43.000 My daughter's upset.

02:14:45.000 But what gets me is in the letter, in the article, one of the social engineers that worked for this commie, another communist, made the comment, he said, that at first the students seem to resist this program because they don't understand what we are trying to accomplish.

02:15:04.000 I called my state representative, I fired a letter off the three newspapers, and I tried to get a hold of this guy who made this comment, but I told my state representative I said, the reason why the students resist this at first is because they want to be paid for their services just like all of you people do.

02:15:21.000 And I said, what does he mean by they don't understand what we are trying to do?

02:15:25.000 Also, they're going to take your daughter, and again, the federal proposed stuff is thousands of hours.

02:15:32.000 We're talking 8-10 hours a week.

02:15:35.000 Your children.

02:15:36.000 And they're going to tell them where to go, and it's going to be with these government perverts, and the rest of it, and with the police, and all of it. 0.94

02:15:43.000 Taking your children as slaves.

02:15:45.000 It's not enough to have 7 million people in prison, and the prison factories putting all the outside businesses out of business.

02:15:51.000 I got articles on that today.

02:15:53.000 It's not enough.

02:15:54.000 Now it's going to be your children, folks!

02:15:56.000 Hey, you want to live in the Soviet Union?

02:15:58.000 You're living in it, folks!

02:16:00.000 Well, it's not going to happen in this household.

02:16:02.000 And the last thing I want to say before I go, and I've been on the John Stattmiller Show and the Power Hour, and I've said it there and I've said it for a few years now to people at work, and that is this.

02:16:12.000 One of the ways that all of your listeners, everybody out there, can help fight back against these people, writing letters to the newspaper is a good one, but they've got to get in the frame of mind to stop supporting them Look, it's already started.

02:16:26.000 stop buying the new cars, buy used, preferably from a private owner, go to swap meets, go

02:16:32.000 to flea markets, quit going to these sports programs, quit going to the show, you've got

02:16:37.000 to hit them in the pocketbook, and if there was millions of people across the country

02:16:40.000 that would start doing that, I think the message would get across.

02:16:43.000 Hey, look, look, look, it's already started.

02:16:47.000 Most people won't go to a basketball or football game because they're tired of supporting a

02:16:50.000 bunch of drug-dealing rapists, and so they just charge the cult members even more, you

02:16:56.000 you know, 200 bucks for a back row seat. 0.97

02:16:58.000 But yeah, look, people are tuning out of the mainstream media.

02:17:01.000 They are tuning into alternative press.

02:17:02.000 People are waking up.

02:17:04.000 But they just keep putting out the illusion that we're all buying it.

02:17:07.000 And the good news is, we're not buying it, brother.

02:17:09.000 Well, that's right, we're not.

02:17:10.000 My brother's a truck driver.

02:17:12.000 And he says, you can't believe the new cars that got stocked up in the farmer's fields up in Michigan.

02:17:17.000 He says, there's just rows and rows of them in farmer's fields. 0.90

02:17:20.000 He says, don't give me this garbage about they're selling these cars. 0.80

02:17:23.000 He says, they're not selling. 0.66

02:17:24.000 Okay, well thanks a lot and keep up the good work.

02:17:27.000 Absolutely.

02:17:28.000 I appreciate the call.

02:17:28.000 And you're like, well, that'll hurt our economy.

02:17:32.000 Folks, don't be part of their system. 0.99

02:17:33.000 Get your children out of the public schools.

02:17:33.000 And you know what?

02:17:36.000 There's no way to fix them, okay?

02:17:37.000 It just don't get worse.

02:17:38.000 And they're trying to outlaw homeschooling.

02:17:40.000 Better do it while you can.

02:17:42.000 We're coming to the point of hiding underground, you know, just like You know, in Nazi Germany, you know, people hiding in the back room.

02:17:50.000 I mean, it's really coming to that. 0.97

02:17:52.000 These sicko social engineers. 0.95

02:17:53.000 Folks, I have the UT textbook. 0.97

02:17:55.000 They use it at UT.

02:17:56.000 The Calhoun Reader.

02:17:57.000 I've read it on air many times.

02:17:59.000 It says, this is the CPS manual.

02:18:02.000 People going to school to be CPS.

02:18:04.000 The family is the enemy of the state.

02:18:05.000 It must be eliminated.

02:18:07.000 The family must be broken up.

02:18:08.000 The children belong to us.

02:18:09.000 And a caller called in and talked about it.

02:18:11.000 I was sent the link to it.

02:18:12.000 I've seen it.

02:18:13.000 IBM runs an ad.

02:18:15.000 Where they go, the future will not be... In the future, the strong or the intelligent will not survive.

02:18:20.000 Only children of the world adopted by the global system.

02:18:25.000 If you do not change, if you do not alter, you will die.

02:18:30.000 I mean, they're running ads talking about you will die if you don't accept the change that's coming.

02:18:36.000 And they've got Army of One ads going, I am a Russian Spetsnaz!

02:18:40.000 Now I serve in the U.S.

02:18:41.000 Army!

02:18:41.000 Army of One!

02:18:43.000 I mean, we've known the foreign troops were here, now it's, I am Russian, and I am here for you!

02:18:48.000 And they hired the former KGB general to run Homeland Security with the internal passport system?

02:18:54.000 I mean, that's admitted!

02:18:55.000 It's all craziness!

02:18:58.000 It's all total and complete massive insanity!

02:19:04.000 By the way, we're going to talk about massive insanity. 0.87

02:19:05.000 I told myself at this point in the show today, I was supposed to do that after the break, I would explain something that happened on the show yesterday that is incredibly ridiculous and hilarious.

02:19:15.000 And so I'm going to tell this story briefly when we get back.

02:19:21.000 Because yesterday I wanted to re-air this interview in the last hour with a cloning doctor.

02:19:27.000 Talking about New Jersey legalizing taking clones through birth and then after birth and using them for body parts.

02:19:34.000 Wait till you hear it.

02:19:35.000 It's just funny.

02:19:36.000 I've got to talk about this.

02:19:37.000 And I knew I'd get some emails.

02:19:38.000 I did get a couple.

02:19:39.000 Because the way it sounded on air, because I was driving down the road leaving the studio listening, it sounded so nuts.

02:19:45.000 It was something else.

02:19:47.000 We'll come back.

02:19:48.000 I'll tell you about that, too.

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02:24:01.000 it's alex jones and the gcn radio network All right.

02:24:11.000 I just want to hammer through these calls because I do want to get into more of this news.

02:24:14.000 Let's go to them quickly.

02:24:16.000 Gene in Florida.

02:24:17.000 Gene, you're on the air.

02:24:18.000 Go ahead.

02:24:20.000 Thank you for taking my call.

02:24:20.000 Yes, sir.

02:24:21.000 I wanted to know, do you want to know Supposedly a conservative talk show that's replaced you here for 30 minutes. 0.58

02:24:29.000 The scam they run.

02:24:30.000 They're not really conservative is what I'm getting at.

02:24:35.000 Where are you in Florida?

02:24:36.000 Pensacola.

02:24:41.000 Those are great stations.

02:24:42.000 They carry me at night.

02:24:44.000 I called them to see if they wanted a complaint and they told me no one hung up.

02:24:49.000 Are you talking about WVTJ?

02:24:52.000 Yeah, well what happens is, I believe they still carry all three hours at night.

02:24:55.000 Yeah, they do.

02:24:56.000 On one of their sister stations.

02:24:57.000 So, I mean, that's pretty good right there.

02:25:00.000 That covers, you know, hundreds of square miles.

02:25:02.000 And then, they've gone over the years from an hour in the day to two hours during the day.

02:25:07.000 How much are they carrying during the day right now?

02:25:09.000 They carry you sometimes 15 minutes from 11.45 to 12.

02:25:14.000 And then sometimes, depending on what they've got scheduled from About 12, 10 to 1, sometimes they'll cut in for even a half hour.

02:25:24.000 So I'm on still about an hour every day during the day?

02:25:26.000 Yep.

02:25:27.000 Yeah, look, I think, I've gotten calls on this, I get called, Jay Seculo, right?

02:25:33.000 And they tell you how good the Patriot Act is, and if you're not for the Patriot Act... Well, I can tell you how they run the scam.

02:25:33.000 Yeah.

02:25:38.000 I've called them four times with three different questions.

02:25:40.000 They run the same scam every time.

02:25:42.000 Okay, tell me about it.

02:25:44.000 They'll tell you, well, that sounds like a good question, but all our phones are real busy right now.

02:25:48.000 Why don't you let me record it, and then when we don't have anybody talking, I'll go ahead and put it on for them.

02:25:54.000 Yeah, I know.

02:25:56.000 But isn't that Christian? 0.87

02:25:58.000 To screen your call out every time and claim that they just didn't have time to get you on?

02:26:03.000 That's right.

02:26:04.000 I can get movie stars on this show.

02:26:07.000 I can get senators on this show in about a week.

02:26:09.000 But I've called 20 times and Jay Sekulow's people say he's too important to come on my show.

02:26:18.000 Sounds like it.

02:26:19.000 Bottom line, if you're not for gun control and open borders and the Patriot Act, you're a liberal. 0.96

02:26:24.000 You're a devil worshipper.

02:26:25.000 He likes to brag about having been a hero part of the Patriot Act. 0.98

02:26:31.000 He likes to brag about that.

02:26:33.000 He didn't know that.

02:26:34.000 Oh yeah, I had seen that.

02:26:37.000 Okay.

02:26:38.000 Well, anyway, I just want to understand, folks, that we don't pay to be on the air there.

02:26:44.000 Jay Sekulow does, and we've had a lot of this happen.

02:26:46.000 We've had Sekulow take our time on a lot of stations to the point of, I'm starting to think it's on purpose, and we need people to call the sponsors, support them, sponsor shows locally, go spend money with those radio stations, Especially stations we've been on like four years, like WVTJ, but I don't want to gripe at the station because they've already got me on three hours a night.

02:27:05.000 They just upset me when they said they didn't even want to hear a complaint.

02:27:08.000 They didn't even know the program I was wanting to complain about.

02:27:12.000 Young lady just said, no, we're not interested and slammed the phone down. 1.00

02:27:17.000 Well, folks get stressed out.

02:27:19.000 Okay.

02:27:19.000 I've talked to the folks at that station.

02:27:21.000 They're great people, but again... They need to have a different lady answering the phone, I'll tell you that. 1.00

02:27:27.000 Well, call them and tell them that.

02:27:29.000 Alright.

02:27:32.000 Anything else on your mind?

02:27:33.000 No, sir. 0.99

02:27:34.000 Yeah, Jay Sekulow is an absolute piece of filth. 0.99

02:27:38.000 I mean, look, he says the Patriot Act is Christian. 0.98

02:27:41.000 I've actually tuned in and heard it.

02:27:43.000 Uh, because they re-aired it night here in Austin.

02:27:45.000 I listen to Christian radio, okay?

02:27:47.000 And I-I-I just, I can't listen to it anymore.

02:27:49.000 It's-it's-it's satanic.

02:27:51.000 It's anti-Christ.

02:27:51.000 Uh, and I'm not just talking about his show.

02:27:54.000 So many of these shows are lying, deceptive whores of the New World Order. 1.00

02:28:01.000 The Patriot Act's being used against Rush Limbaugh! 0.99

02:28:03.000 The Patriot Act's being used against county commissioners!

02:28:06.000 The Patriot Act's being used against zit-faced teenagers! 1.00

02:28:10.000 Okay?

02:28:11.000 And Sekulow tried to claim it wasn't.

02:28:13.000 Now he admits it is and says it's good and brags about how he wrote parts of it.

02:28:17.000 That is shameful!

02:28:18.000 That is devilish!

02:28:22.000 So they're lying to you.

02:28:23.000 This is war.

02:28:24.000 Why don't you call into that show and lie and go, I just think Bush is so wonderful and I want to talk about it.

02:28:29.000 You'll be on the air. 0.99

02:28:31.000 And then you'll prove that they're liars.

02:28:35.000 I don't want to get nasty here, folks. 0.97

02:28:37.000 Nothing makes me madder.

02:28:38.000 I can't stand Bill Clinton.

02:28:39.000 I can't stand Al Gore.

02:28:41.000 Howard Dean makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

02:28:43.000 Okay?

02:28:44.000 But I know they're evil.

02:28:45.000 Okay?

02:28:46.000 They don't claim they're conservative.

02:28:47.000 They don't claim they're Christian.

02:28:50.000 Alright?

02:28:51.000 But when I get George Bush and the rest of these guys up there destroying America, I get angry.

02:28:57.000 And Jay Sekulow.

02:28:58.000 I mean, I've heard him 20, 30 times at night.

02:29:01.000 When I'm driving around, I'll tune into the local Christian station, and I'll hear him on there.

02:29:06.000 That guy's very smart, by the way. 1.00

02:29:08.000 And he is the biggest liar. 0.99

02:29:11.000 And you know, I've never talked about him like this. 1.00

02:29:13.000 But he won't come on this show.

02:29:15.000 He won't defend his propaganda.

02:29:21.000 Okay, now I don't want to get off into side issues here, folks, but I'm sick of it.

02:29:27.000 So, if you want that off, stations, where they're covering us up with it, take your carpet business, or your whatever your business is, and go down there and plop down some money, and I know we got listeners, I know you'll get a response.

02:29:40.000 Get them off there! 1.00

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02:32:51.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, now into the home stretch with two segments left.

02:33:13.000 I'm going to talk to four more callers and that's it because I've got some important IRS news and some other stuff here we want to go over.

02:33:22.000 Let's talk to Alki in Hawaii.

02:33:25.000 Welcome to the airwaves.

02:33:27.000 Hello, can you hear me?

02:33:28.000 Yes, I can.

02:33:31.000 Okay.

02:33:32.000 Bush is going to Mars, right?

02:33:35.000 Well, I wish he would go to Mars, but no, he wants to send a... I thought he said Mars.

02:33:41.000 Did he say Mars or not?

02:33:43.000 Okay.

02:33:44.000 Bush, as of right now, hasn't made the announcement yet.

02:33:47.000 The White House said a month ago they were going to make the announcement.

02:33:49.000 They said it again last week.

02:33:51.000 And yes, they say they're going to go to Mars and the Moon.

02:33:54.000 Because here's my prediction.

02:33:56.000 I predict that the current Um, car or rover that's on Mars right now.

02:34:03.000 I think it's going to find oil.

02:34:06.000 That's what I think.

02:34:08.000 And then I think Bush is going to try to go to Mars for the oil.

02:34:12.000 Well, that's what Halliburton is saying since 97.

02:34:15.000 That's in Salon News Magazine right now.

02:34:19.000 Someone already predicted that?

02:34:22.000 Uh, yes.

02:34:24.000 I read that last hour.

02:34:26.000 Okay, well, and here's another one of my I have an analysis of, I think that people that vote, I think that their vote, because the, who said that they control everything, the um, the voting system?

02:34:43.000 Like, even if you vote, it really doesn't matter?

02:34:46.000 The CIA or the, someone?

02:34:46.000 Who said that?

02:34:49.000 Well, the new electronic touchscreen systems that are going in federally pushed and mandated, uh... to replace it are fraud rather than we've proven that

02:34:58.000 a lot of shadow without

02:35:01.000 i think the current systems when you vote

02:35:05.000 it goes to some big huge building right Well, it's still, a lot of the systems, whether it's Scantron or Bubble systems, you know, with the hanging chads, those do go into a computer.

02:35:16.000 They have caught them manipulating those.

02:35:19.000 But this new electronic system is centralized, where just a few people can steal whole regional elections, whole national elections.

02:35:29.000 Okay, one last thing.

02:35:30.000 I think the courts I think like you were talking earlier about how the Supreme Court and everything like that, if you were to go in there with a case that, like, if you were to sue, let's say, the state for wrongfully going into your house, you'd never win.

02:35:50.000 Well, no.

02:35:50.000 A lot of those cases get won, and then the government doesn't care about paying out the damages, because it's just more tax money they take from you, and they keep doing it.

02:35:59.000 Thanks for the call.

02:36:00.000 I appreciate it.

02:36:01.000 Chris in Kentucky.

02:36:02.000 Go ahead, Chris.

02:36:05.000 Hello, Alex.

02:36:05.000 How are you doing?

02:36:06.000 Fine.

02:36:06.000 Go ahead.

02:36:07.000 These roadblocks are going to be so good for the new America out here. 0.98

02:36:07.000 Thanks. 0.98

02:36:11.000 I'm just so sick and tired of people just saying this is going to be for their safety.

02:36:15.000 they've got an article in here because of the elizabeth spark kidnapping and we

02:36:18.000 need more to protect the children and make sure everybody's safe

02:36:22.000 it's nothing but a gun grab like the previous callers were all saying they

02:36:26.000 want to get this to eviscerate the port of the train house just like in the soviet

02:36:31.000 union stand up against the wall for inspection

02:36:33.000 papers out keep your mouth shut you know this morning there was a car flipped over

02:36:38.000 on the road by my house and uh...

02:36:41.000 you know i'm driving through a parking lot to exit back out and everybody's driving quickly don't recall turning on the

02:36:48.000 road and you know that the accident in the thirty minutes in the

02:36:51.000 sheriff's deputy wishes hatefully

02:36:54.000 i mean you thought we were all killers or something waving his arms yelling at people hurry it up

02:36:59.000 And there weren't any ambulances backed up.

02:37:01.000 Nothing like that.

02:37:02.000 People were already taken away.

02:37:03.000 They're just flipping out on us.

02:37:05.000 We're bad. 0.77

02:37:06.000 We're criminals. 0.90

02:37:07.000 We've got to be bossed around.

02:37:09.000 We've got to be treated with hatred. 1.00

02:37:10.000 You know, we're a bunch of idiots. 1.00

02:37:12.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:37:13.000 And those who never got the film Police Day 2000 get that because that's very informative on that when you're out there on those roadblocks because that's the system.

02:37:21.000 That's what they want to do.

02:37:22.000 And that was before 9-11 folks preparing this for us.

02:37:26.000 It's going to get a lot worse.

02:37:27.000 We go over the federal plan.

02:37:29.000 It's all a federal plan to train you for eventual hardened checkpoints outside every city and on every state line where they search everyone's vehicle.

02:37:37.000 The harassment you see at the airports will be at every major highway.

02:37:42.000 It will be a lot worse.

02:37:43.000 You have to stand out in your car and you may even lose your car.

02:37:47.000 They've said they're going to do that.

02:37:48.000 It's not like it's my opinion.

02:37:51.000 And they're training us to accept it.

02:37:53.000 And they're getting all these TV shows on here that violence is okay, and we're going to torture you if you don't let us do this.

02:37:58.000 This is okay, but Hitler's bad, and Saddam is bad, but it's okay to do it here. 1.00

02:38:02.000 Okay, thanks for the call.

02:38:03.000 And Mark just did something really good, the fellow running the show.

02:38:08.000 I'm really bad about saying I'll come back with something, then I get distracted and go into something else.

02:38:13.000 About 15 minutes ago, I said that I would, when I got back from break,

02:38:19.000 tell a story of something hilarious and bizarre that happened yesterday.

02:38:25.000 Okay, last Tuesday, seven days ago, now eight days ago, I had the big top bioethics scientist

02:38:34.000 We read the New Jersey law where they can take clones up to birth, give birth to them, surrogate mothers, keep the babies alive, grow them up even larger, take their organs, grow organs in them, use them for biological testing.

02:38:50.000 And I wanted to re-air that interview because it was so important.

02:38:52.000 Well, part of it didn't get re-aired because I said sayonara, went to take care of some business, was on the highway listening to the local station.

02:39:00.000 And I noticed it was another hour of that Tuesday show, and they rarely make mistakes.

02:39:04.000 You know, I mean, that happens.

02:39:05.000 It was the wrong hour airing off the computer.

02:39:09.000 And so I called in, and I said, hey, I don't care if it sounds bad.

02:39:13.000 I said, I want you to go to the right interview at the same minute.

02:39:17.000 And they said, OK.

02:39:19.000 So I hang up the phone, and I'm listening.

02:39:21.000 And this takes them a few seconds to do it, and this is what I hear.

02:39:25.000 I'm on the air from last Tuesday, eight days ago.

02:39:29.000 And I'm talking about how SWAT teams look at people's power bills, and they know how many people live in a house.

02:39:36.000 And if somebody's got a bunch of fish tanks, or indoor stuff, or a lot of computer equipment, it's drawing too much power, it will You know, make you use too much power, and then they think, oh, you're growing marijuana.

02:39:50.000 And I've talked to the former SWAT team commander who admits that they'd bust in a house, some old lady's house, there'd be nobody there, it'd be a bunch of fish tanks, they'd feel embarrassed, and leave, and then not even file a report.

02:40:03.000 Okay, that's in Austin.

02:40:05.000 So here I am on the air, and this is what I say.

02:40:07.000 Again, a different hour from that same show airing, I'm talking about the police bust in, the SWAT team bust in, and there's these big old fish tanks.

02:40:17.000 Right then, they switched to the next hour from that show, and you couldn't even hear it.

02:40:26.000 Word for word, it just meshed perfectly, because when Mark Cassidy does something like that, he'll do it when a word ends.

02:40:33.000 I go, yeah, the SWAT teams bust in, and there are these fish tanks, and they're growing clones in them!

02:40:38.000 Yes, yes!

02:40:40.000 Uh, clones of babies! 0.76

02:40:41.000 And they're going to have them in these tanks!

02:40:43.000 And the scientist I have on goes, Yes!

02:40:45.000 Yes!

02:40:46.000 Growing them in tanks!

02:40:48.000 I almost ran off the road!

02:40:50.000 I mean, you just... If that doesn't sound funny, folks, you had to hear it.

02:40:55.000 And I knew I was going to get some emails.

02:40:56.000 I got a few emails.

02:40:58.000 One of them, in fact, I got it right here.

02:40:59.000 It's like, you have gone off the deep end. 1.00

02:41:02.000 You are completely insane. 1.00

02:41:04.000 The police bust in. 1.00

02:41:05.000 They're growing clones in old ladies' fish tanks. 0.99

02:41:11.000 Hey Mark, I know you don't like to go on air, but you've got to admit that's funny, isn't it?

02:41:20.000 Oh, you went back and re-listened to it this morning?

02:41:24.000 Oh yeah, the site just comes back and goes, yes, growing people in tanks.

02:41:31.000 They've legalized it.

02:41:33.000 Imagine listeners for the first time.

02:41:35.000 And there's no way to take it back either. 0.92

02:41:37.000 I mean, thousands of people think I'm a complete lunatic now.

02:41:41.000 There'll probably be a New York Times article where it says, they've done this before, you know, Mr. Jones believes old women grow clones in fish tanks. 0.99

02:41:51.000 Hey, Mark, if you were listening to that this morning, is there any way to go back to that recording of that narrative again?

02:41:57.000 Yeah, you want to do that again?

02:42:00.000 Yeah, yeah, see if you can find it.

02:42:02.000 It was about 14 after.

02:42:05.000 14 after when you merged the two.

02:42:11.000 All right, he's gonna grab it.

02:42:12.000 I mean, we rarely have humor here on this show, but imagine Murphy's Law that it meshed with me talking about old ladies with their fish tanks, and then, yes, they're growing clones in them! 1.00

02:42:25.000 In fact, I might ask callers... I wanted to get to the news, though, didn't I?

02:42:29.000 I'll get to some of it here in a second.

02:42:30.000 I ought to ask callers if they heard that.

02:42:31.000 What'd you think when you heard that?

02:42:33.000 I literally almost ran off the road.

02:42:35.000 I was laughing so hard.

02:42:37.000 It was high humor, folks.

02:42:40.000 I mean, and what's the chance?

02:42:41.000 Talk about synchronicity or synchronicity isn't the proper term.

02:42:51.000 Serendipity.

02:42:52.000 I mean, to have those two things mesh like that.

02:42:56.000 That was nuts.

02:42:57.000 Let's go ahead and real quick finish up with these two callers.

02:43:01.000 Eric in Connecticut.

02:43:02.000 Go ahead.

02:43:02.000 Hey, Alex.

02:43:04.000 How you doing?

02:43:04.000 Great.

02:43:05.000 You made my weekend.

02:43:06.000 I saw Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove Friday night on the internet.

02:43:13.000 And I'll tell you, you've got brass lobes. 1.00

02:43:14.000 And I was cheering you all the way.

02:43:17.000 How you snuck in there and you caught that bizarre ritual.

02:43:21.000 On tape.

02:43:22.000 And the Bohemian Grove that Bush and others attend admit in the San Francisco Chronicle and on national television, with the British documentary that I was in with the footage, they admit that I got that and that that is the ritual.

02:43:35.000 It is not debatable.

02:43:38.000 What did you think of the film?

02:43:40.000 I liked it.

02:43:42.000 I thought you covered the bases.

02:43:43.000 I liked how you had little snapshots, so to speak, of your airline trip.

02:43:49.000 From Texas to California, and just sort of how you... The film flowed very well.

02:43:55.000 You know, I think you chronicled your trip very well, too, and how you met up with the British reporters.

02:44:00.000 Well, we had to do that.

02:44:01.000 I mean, we couldn't just say, we snuck in, here's the footage, no one would believe it.

02:44:06.000 No, I agree.

02:44:07.000 And I think the film flowed very well.

02:44:09.000 You covered a lot of information.

02:44:11.000 And I think, frankly, I think you made believers out of a lot of people who kind of had a quizzical eye towards you.

02:44:18.000 I tell you, the human sacrifice that goes on by these people, the scale is... I don't think a lot of people just know or realize the scale of which these sacrifices take place all over the world with children and everything.

02:44:32.000 They admit it.

02:44:34.000 Every week I see in Germany, France, the U.S.

02:44:36.000 it'll be just a tiny news story, never makes national news.

02:44:40.000 Satanist, you know, murder, man cut his heart out, Satanist killed baby.

02:44:44.000 You can ask police about this.

02:44:45.000 They see this all the time and they're told by their departments here in Austin, don't file that as a ritual.

02:44:52.000 Just file it as a murder.

02:44:54.000 We don't want to, you know, get off into religious discrimination.

02:44:57.000 I thoroughly recommend all your listeners See, Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, I'll tell you, that was a mind-bender.

02:45:05.000 And the owl truck, how they took you up to the site and everything else.

02:45:10.000 The way that you caught it on video, I loved it.

02:45:15.000 It was great.

02:45:16.000 And you know, on a dollar bill, you can actually see the Owl of Moloch.

02:45:20.000 By the way, they have a History Channel show where they show all the hidden stuff in the money and the history, and they even show that owl.

02:45:26.000 It's not like we're saying it says New World Order.

02:45:28.000 It's not like we claim there's an owl.

02:45:31.000 It's really there.

02:45:32.000 Yeah, on the upper right-hand one, the shield surrounding the one, just to the left of the top, it's so small you need a real strong magnifying glass or a low-power microscope to see it.

02:45:44.000 But it's actually the Owl of Moloch right there.

02:45:47.000 One last thing, Alex.

02:45:48.000 I saw a show, it's a new show called Jake 2.0, a real new World Order advertisement, and they supposedly foiled a plot by the militia to resend-bomb a subway.

02:46:03.000 Oh, see, there's hundreds of these shows with the militias killing everyone and it creates the illusion that, oh, these groups are really doing that with the average TV head who gets the reality from the dramas.

02:46:15.000 Thanks for the call.

02:46:15.000 Thank you.

02:46:16.000 And folks, I never really plugged our secrets inside Bohemian Grove.

02:46:20.000 Three years ago, I snuck in there.

02:46:22.000 British media called me and said, we think you've got what it takes to sneak in.

02:46:26.000 I asked Mike Hanson, who does some camera work for me, though I ran the cameras inside the Grove, a little hidden camera.

02:46:31.000 I said, you want to sneak in with me?

02:46:32.000 It'll be easier for two to do it.

02:46:34.000 We snuck in, acted like we were members, got that footage, and the Bohemian Grove admits I snuck in, admits that's their ritual, and says, oh, I'm just making a big deal out of it.

02:46:44.000 You need to get Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.

02:46:48.000 Call toll free to get it.

02:46:49.000 1-888-253-3139.

02:46:50.000 That's 888-253-3139 or prisonplanet.com or infowars.com to order the documentary film.

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02:47:04.000 order the documentary film up like a better later but uh...

02:47:08.000 okay well it is going to begin yesterday decided to rear this interview with his

02:47:12.000 doctor about new jersey legalizing cloning Past birth.

02:47:16.000 He uses the body parts.

02:47:17.000 It's so horrible you can't, it's hard to describe it.

02:47:20.000 But, the wrong show got here.

02:47:22.000 A show where I was talking about SWAT teams busting into old ladies' houses because they were using too much electricity because of fish tanks.

02:47:29.000 So I'm talking about SWAT teams busting in because of fish tanks because of too much power.

02:47:33.000 They think somebody's growing marijuana in there.

02:47:36.000 And then when I told them, switch it back to the right interview, it switches to me talking about tanks and clones.

02:47:41.000 And it was pretty funny.

02:47:42.000 So here it is again.

02:47:44.000 Play it, Mark.

02:47:45.000 I've talked to former SWAT team people.

02:47:47.000 One of them works at the airport now.

02:47:49.000 He's a retired Vietnam veteran sniper in Vietnam.

02:47:52.000 He was the head of the SWAT team.

02:47:53.000 I've talked to others.

02:47:57.000 Many times they would be told, go raid this house.

02:47:59.000 They'd bust in.

02:48:00.000 It'd be generally some old retiree. 0.98

02:48:03.000 There'd be four or five fish tanks.

02:48:06.000 and maybe some plants and they were using too much about allowing them to bring a clone to term and then after that in the development for medical parts.

02:48:16.000 So I guess it's going to be like a Frank Herbert book where you've got these tanks with these humanoids growing in it. 1.00

02:48:21.000 I mean I'm not saying that's what they're doing but you just said they legalized that.

02:48:25.000 Oh absolutely.

02:48:26.000 It's very explicit.

02:48:27.000 They say that you can produce through cloning these human beings.

02:48:31.000 You can Let them develop as embryos.

02:48:34.000 You can develop all the way through the field stage.

02:48:35.000 So women can be carrying these clones. 1.00

02:48:39.000 And then it says that you can kill them, abort them, take their parts. 0.98

02:48:46.000 And it says, although it puts in place saying, well, you can't actually make big profits off this. 0.99

02:48:56.000 And then it goes on to say, you can't make big profits, you can make some profits.

02:48:59.000 But, I don't know, driving along hearing that, it was pretty funny how those two things went together.

02:49:05.000 Ron in Oklahoma.

02:49:06.000 Ron, go ahead.

02:49:09.000 Good to talk to you.

02:49:10.000 Good to talk to you, Alex.

02:49:11.000 Alex, I'm appealing to your listeners around the United States and around the world who have friends or relatives in the state of Oklahoma.

02:49:19.000 Contact these friends or relatives.

02:49:22.000 Tell them about Alex Jones, John Stattmiller, InfoWars, Prison Planet.

02:49:27.000 Send them your tapes, your books, your bumper stickers.

02:49:30.000 Here in Oklahoma, the media is so tightly controlled, we don't get you on AM or FM.

02:49:34.000 The only way we have listening to you is the internet or shortwave.

02:49:42.000 There are a number of people I know here in Oklahoma working to get the word out and information, but there are also a lot of people around the country I know that have Friends and relatives in Oklahoma.

02:49:55.000 And if they would spread the word back to the Oklahomans, we could really get a movement going here.

02:50:02.000 Absolutely.

02:50:03.000 And it was Oklahoma that passed a law that they wouldn't be part of the U.N.

02:50:06.000 or world government, and a month later, you had the bombing there to get you back on track, didn't you?

02:50:12.000 I missed that one, Alex, but I'm not surprised.

02:50:17.000 I'm not surprised.

02:50:18.000 You see, after the bombing, Alex, we were absolutely, totally flipped with media propaganda.

02:50:24.000 We were simply overwhelmed.

02:50:25.000 It was 24 hours a day.

02:50:27.000 It never stopped.

02:50:28.000 People were never given a chance to stop and think about what happened or gather any information on their own.

02:50:34.000 So, uh, we're just... So many people are really in the dark and have no idea what's going on.

02:50:40.000 And the best way... I'll tell you, I've been in Oklahoma many times, and every person I've talked to on the street thinks the government did it.

02:50:47.000 Stay there, I'll let you finish up real quick and I'll hit some final news.

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02:53:51.000 I'm going to finish up two calls real quick because I want to go to this caller in Nicaragua.

02:53:58.000 Ron in Oklahoma, finish up.

02:53:59.000 Go ahead.

02:54:00.000 Okay, Alex.

02:54:01.000 You are right in one regard.

02:54:03.000 I am seeing a lot more letters to the editor for the Daily Oklahoman, which sound like they're from Alex Jones listeners.

02:54:10.000 But also the best example I can give is a story told to me by a young man when he said one of his high school classmates at the time of the bombing, just after the bombing, complained to the teacher about all of the bombing, incessant bombing coverage, on and on and on, and instead told his high school teacher that he was tired of it and didn't want to hear about it anymore, he was sick of it, he'd had enough of it.

02:54:34.000 The kid was expelled from class and sent to the principal.

02:54:41.000 The nail that stuck up in Oklahoma was hammered down.

02:54:45.000 He did not dispute the party line.

02:54:48.000 Absolutely.

02:54:49.000 Thanks for the call.

02:54:50.000 Thank you.

02:54:51.000 Let's talk to Nick in Nicaragua.

02:54:53.000 Last caller.

02:54:53.000 Go ahead, Nick.

02:54:55.000 Hi.

02:54:55.000 Greetings and job blessings, Alex.

02:54:58.000 Good to have you on.

02:54:59.000 Yeah.

02:54:59.000 Good to have you.

02:55:00.000 I've been listening to you on the internet here.

02:55:03.000 It's good to get some news from the states, especially some different news, and it's nice to call up a radio show without getting Screen first.

02:55:11.000 A couple of things.

02:55:13.000 First, talking about the Illuminati and the dollar bill.

02:55:16.000 If you look on the back of the dollar bill and you make that pyramid with the all-seeing eye into a tetrahedron, into a Star of David, you draw another triangle pointing down, and you connect, you circle the letters at each point.

02:55:32.000 It spells Mason.

02:55:33.000 Yeah, this point was made, yeah.

02:55:35.000 Oh, you heard that.

02:55:37.000 The other thing was I want to know your thoughts on the Illuminati and I'm sure you know the history of the Illuminati tracing their bloodlines back to Mesopotamia, which is now modern-day Iraq.

02:55:53.000 Well, that's where they trace Moloch and their Babylon mystery religion gods back to. 0.87

02:56:01.000 Right, and the Anunnaki, no? 0.99

02:56:03.000 Well, they think they're gods.

02:56:05.000 I mean, the elite is on a power trip, and elitists always think they're God.

02:56:09.000 I mean, that's what Idi Amin thought he was God. 0.75

02:56:11.000 Thanks for the call from Nicaragua.

02:56:13.000 Nicaragua.

02:56:14.000 I can't suddenly pronounce it.

02:56:15.000 Nicaragua.

02:56:16.000 And I'll try to get into that.

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