Alex Jones Show - 20050202_Wed_Alex

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00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:23.000 It's the second day of February 2005.

00:00:30.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

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00:00:41.000 Don't let Congress fund Orwellian psychiatric screening for kids.

00:00:46.000 This is the latest Release out from Congressman Ron Paul.

00:00:51.000 They're already back in the new session after passing the new Freedom Initiative.

00:00:55.000 And now they want to get even more funding.

00:01:00.000 So we'll be Covering this report by Ron Paul, every parent in America should be made aware of a presidential initiative called the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health.

00:01:10.000 This commission issued a report last year calling for the mandatory mental health screening of American school children, meaning millions of kids will be forced to undergo psychiatric screening whether their parents consent or not.

00:01:24.000 That issue is the fundamental right of parents to decide what medical treatment is appropriate for their children.

00:01:30.000 That's coming up.

00:01:31.000 Also, every day I have articles like this.

00:01:34.000 There's five of them in the stack today.

00:01:36.000 Here's just a few of them.

00:01:37.000 Man again sent to prison for junk in yard.

00:01:43.000 Three years in prison.

00:01:45.000 And, of course, when he bought the property, it wasn't zoned.

00:01:48.000 He had some old cars and airplane parts out on his acreage and now he's already gone to jail once, this time three years in prison.

00:01:56.000 Another one here.

00:01:56.000 A blind man jailed for using non-standard browser.

00:02:03.000 Used a Linux browser when he went to a website to donate money, a few bucks, to the Tsunami Fund.

00:02:10.000 A SWAT team hit him and hit him hard.

00:02:14.000 I think about 10% of the country uses Linux, but I guess, you know, they say if you've got a World Almanac or driving Atlas in your car, you're a terrorist.

00:02:23.000 Wrist watches as a sign of terrorism.

00:02:26.000 I don't wear a wrist watch.

00:02:27.000 I do actually have a Road Almanac in my vehicle and the SWAT team may be hitting me within minutes.

00:02:36.000 And I want to talk about how they're tracking your cell phones even at the county level.

00:02:40.000 This is out of Capital News 9.

00:02:42.000 Another article here.

00:02:43.000 Teen claims antidepressant led to murder.

00:02:46.000 We'll go over that story.

00:02:47.000 Also, a 12-year-old raised terrorism alarm.

00:02:51.000 It was below zero.

00:02:55.000 And they were waiting outside in their car at the airport to pick up family.

00:03:00.000 And he had, you know, a face mask on.

00:03:03.000 A little boy with a little mask on.

00:03:06.000 And they called the SWAT team. 0.98

00:03:08.000 Hit them. 1.00

00:03:08.000 Hit them hard. 1.00

00:03:10.000 Gotta do that. 0.98

00:03:12.000 Of course, everybody knows terrorists wear black masks, unless it's the wonderful security forces in Iraq or our police, but anybody else wears a mask, even in sub-zero temperatures, and it's terrorism.

00:03:25.000 I mean, obviously, if somebody's walking down the street in broad daylight in the summer with a mask on, you might want to check them out.

00:03:33.000 But if it's, you know, you're up in Minnesota or Norway and it's 56 below zero, you don't wear a mask, your nose is going to fall off.

00:03:43.000 It can kill you.

00:03:45.000 It can make your nose freeze off.

00:03:46.000 The end of your nose.

00:03:48.000 It's called frostbite.

00:03:49.000 But don't you wear that mask.

00:03:51.000 We've got laws against you wearing a mask, even in the snow.

00:03:54.000 Just like You've got a fishing knife in your tackle box?

00:03:57.000 Doesn't matter if you've got a bucket of fish in the back of your truck.

00:04:00.000 Doesn't matter if you're an old World War II vet.

00:04:02.000 We're gonna take you to jail. 0.98

00:04:04.000 Everything's a crime.

00:04:06.000 Everything.

00:04:08.000 Everything.

00:04:09.000 So, uh... I was up in New Mexico, up there skiing, and it was real cold.

00:04:14.000 Zero.

00:04:15.000 Like five degrees one day.

00:04:17.000 And I did have a ski mask.

00:04:19.000 I was wearing it.

00:04:21.000 I thought about it when I put it on, but other people were wearing ski masks, so I guess we were all terrorists.

00:04:26.000 And, uh, well, you know.

00:04:28.000 Ha ha ha ha!

00:04:29.000 So that's all coming up, too.

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00:04:32.000 That's just the tip of the iceberg.

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00:08:21.000 Already Wednesday, the second day of February 2005.

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00:08:28.000 Diving straight into the news, in the last segment I got into a whole bunch of different reports about people being arrested for junk in their yard, three years in prison, using a Linux browser to donate money to an online bank account, they arrest you, they SWAT team you, wearing a mask in below zero weather outside, they come and SWAT team you, just everything is terrorism, everything is evil.

00:08:55.000 The American people are just flat bad and have to be corralled and kicked around and told whose boss or Al-Qaeda is going to get us.

00:09:04.000 Basically, if we're slaves, we're safe.

00:09:06.000 If we're free, we're not.

00:09:07.000 And, you know, the government loves us and it's a tough job and they hate ruling us.

00:09:12.000 Powerful people always hate ruling others, but it's a job that somebody's got to do and, well, they're just going to be our lords and masters.

00:09:19.000 And it's just a good thing.

00:09:22.000 And hey, after all, they just told us that the Iraq election was free and fair.

00:09:26.000 It's the same government that tells us that open borders is good.

00:09:30.000 It's the same government that tells us that there's no inflation.

00:09:35.000 When a car that cost $15,000 10 years ago cost $35,000 a day, and a house that cost $100,000 20 years ago cost $350,000 a day, and, well, when your dollar's been devalued by 40-plus percent, and, yeah, it doesn't really matter. when your dollar's been devalued by 40-plus percent, and, yeah, Yeah, it doesn't really matter.

00:09:54.000 It's the same government that told you don't buy gold.

00:09:56.000 It's not a good investment, as they buy it all up.

00:10:00.000 It's the same government that has been caught lying to us thousands of times, but you know what?

00:10:04.000 They're not lying to us this time.

00:10:06.000 And that's what matters.

00:10:07.000 We can trust them.

00:10:09.000 We can give our rights up to them.

00:10:11.000 Of course, Congressman Ron Paul is a little bit upset about the New Freedom Initiative.

00:10:15.000 You see, they do this piecemeal.

00:10:18.000 About a month and a half ago, in early December, December 7th to be exact, a day that will live in infamy, they passed the New Freedom Initiative and gave it a paltry funding mechanism of only 25 million dollars.

00:10:35.000 Because they successfully in Congress did block some of the funding.

00:10:39.000 But they got the initiative passed and then the feds simply tie it to other federal funds going to the states and the schools and so It is still moving forward.

00:10:50.000 Well, now they're coming back with more funds to radically expand and implement the program.

00:10:59.000 The forced psychological testing of all public schoolers, homeschoolers, and private schoolers across the nation.

00:11:07.000 By law.

00:11:08.000 Taking your children from you twice a year.

00:11:11.000 Premeditated.

00:11:14.000 So we'll be covering that in a few minutes.

00:11:16.000 Then, of course, yesterday we talked about the legislation to expand the National ID Card.

00:11:23.000 Now, again, a month and a half ago, in mid-December, they passed the 9-11 Bill, the Intelligence Act.

00:11:31.000 It had several different public names that they brand-named it with.

00:11:38.000 But in there, it federally standardizes all driver's license and ID cards, and federalizes the DMV facilities, and federalizes the databases.

00:11:50.000 Well, the new bill will index hundreds of private databases into your file, and it will also standardize it with every country from Chile to Venezuela to Mexico to Canada.

00:12:05.000 for the Pan-American Union, and actually goes into that in the bill.

00:12:11.000 And then simultaneously, Ridge is calling for a global ID card.

00:12:14.000 We're already merging and standardizing with Europe, Australia, and a score of other nations, Japan, just so many different countries that this is now happening.

00:12:30.000 And it's the world government.

00:12:31.000 It's the world ID card.

00:12:34.000 So within a month and a half of them passing the National ID Card, they're already racing towards the International ID Card and calling it the National ID Card.

00:12:42.000 And if you, you know, read USA Today or the Associated Press or Reuters or any of these articles, it's ridge-going, the outgoing ridge.

00:12:50.000 We need a National ID Card!

00:12:54.000 We really need it to stop terrorists.

00:12:56.000 And then really what he's pushing and promoting is the World ID Card.

00:12:59.000 You can punch in, Ridge calls for World Biometric Standards for IDs and you'll get him over in England calling for a World ID Card.

00:13:08.000 It's a big deal, folks!

00:13:11.000 I think you might want to be concerned about a World ID Card.

00:13:16.000 Perhaps you'd like to mention that subject when you call in.

00:13:19.000 I mean, I know the callers are always coming at us from left field and right field and from outside the field, but that's what makes it interesting.

00:13:27.000 But I'd like you to address that, at least, to comment on the World ID Card on the heels, in train, right behind the National ID Card.

00:13:40.000 We are now getting our regional ID card that's already being standardized and merged with the world identification system.

00:13:50.000 And that is, they're doing the deals with Europe and Latin America and Asia where it's the same number sequence, the same biometric algorithm, key Same database, same system, but you'll argue with me, I know, in five years, when you're having to swipe this with the new national sales tax, may even be sooner, the new national war tax, well, a sales tax for the war, and we're about, don't worry, we're going to cut the income tax by 70%, and we do it.

00:14:21.000 That'll be the pitch.

00:14:22.000 That could be within two years.

00:14:23.000 Maybe even sooner.

00:14:24.000 But it looks like five.

00:14:25.000 When you're swiping your card at the grocery store, you can turn back and argue with me in line, like some of you like to do, and tell me, this isn't a National ID card.

00:14:35.000 And I can say, no, it's not!

00:14:36.000 It's a World ID card! 0.71

00:14:37.000 You're absolutely correct!

00:14:40.000 So it's very painful to see this happening.

00:14:43.000 And all the controls that it'll bring, but, ah, so what?

00:14:47.000 What do I got to hide?

00:14:49.000 Let me have a National ID card.

00:14:51.000 Let me have a national sales tax! 0.99

00:14:53.000 Well, it'll mean more taxation, more regulation.

00:14:57.000 It'll mean a federal terminal into every single cash register and company out there, by law.

00:15:08.000 It'll track everything you buy, sell, and do.

00:15:12.000 And at the same time, you'll still have to file an income tax return to assess which graduated sales tax bracket you're in, because the sales tax has to be fair.

00:15:24.000 While we can't have poor people paying sales tax, which of course is reasonable, but that'll bring the federal control in, and that'll make it where you have to swipe the card when you do it, and then you'll also have to file that yearly tax return, and then you'll be the same bureaucracy, the same penalties, even worse, quote, trying to evade your tax bracket for your sales tax.

00:15:47.000 And it's gonna, the sales tax will be graduated from 15% to 45% to start.

00:15:54.000 Then of course they can ratchet that up.

00:15:56.000 So, I hope you enjoy your National ID Card.

00:15:59.000 And then of course everything you buy and what you eat will be put into a digital algorithm and formula.

00:16:05.000 And then that will be given to the insurance companies.

00:16:08.000 This is already public.

00:16:10.000 And then they'll decide if you're eating things that are unhealthy and deny you insurance.

00:16:15.000 And, uh, They will also use it to assess just how many people live in your house, and it just goes on and on and on.

00:16:24.000 Meanwhile, while everything we do is being made transparent, they're making it easier for the illegal aliens and ordering the states to accept their fake ID cards, their consular matricula cards, and meanwhile the government's making everything they do a secret. 0.99

00:16:39.000 So they're going into secrecy while giving the illegal aliens a blank check to do whatever they want, but the citizens, the good, gullible, stupid slaves, are now being shackled quite nicely. 0.99

00:16:55.000 Don't let Congress fund Orwellian psychiatric screening of kids! 0.99

00:17:00.000 This is Congressman Ron Pauls on PrisonPlanet.com.

00:17:04.000 Every parent in America should be made aware of a presidential initiative called the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health.

00:17:11.000 This commission issued a report last year calling for the mandatory mental health screening of American school children, meaning millions of kids will be forced to undergo psychiatric screening whether their parents consent or not.

00:17:24.000 Some of you are probably saying, over your dead body.

00:17:26.000 Well, that's fine with the SWAT team.

00:17:28.000 At issue is the fundamental right of parents to decide what medical treatment is appropriate for their children.

00:17:36.000 Forced medical health screening?

00:17:38.000 This goes hand-in-hand with forced inoculation and all of it.

00:17:41.000 Forced mental health screening simply has no place in a freer, decent society.

00:17:46.000 Well, how dare you, Congressman?

00:17:48.000 Sounds kind of al-Qaeda-ish, what you just said.

00:17:51.000 The government does not own you or your kids, really?

00:17:55.000 Uh, I did get the little press release put out by Dr. Phil.

00:17:58.000 He says the state controls your children and that being a parent is a privilege.

00:18:02.000 So, obviously you haven't seen Dr. Phil.

00:18:05.000 Forced mental health screening simply has no place in a free or decent society.

00:18:09.000 The government does not own you or your kids.

00:18:11.000 We'll tell them that.

00:18:13.000 And it has no legitimate authority to interfere in your family's intimate health matters.

00:18:19.000 Psychiatric diagnoses are inherently subjective.

00:18:22.000 Well, you're a medical doctor, so I don't think you have a right to say anything. 1.00

00:18:26.000 Shut up! 1.00

00:18:27.000 And the drugs regularly prescribed produce serious side effects, especially in children developing brains. 0.99

00:18:33.000 Well, their own reports, internal reports, now leaked, say that they know it brain damages them and causes them to commit mass murders and commit suicide, but just, you're a medical doctor, what do you have to say? 0.98

00:18:44.000 Just shut up, Ron Paul! 1.00

00:18:45.000 Just shut up! 1.00

00:18:47.000 Now, the bottom line is that mental health issues are a matter for parents, children, and their doctors, not the government. 0.99

00:18:53.000 Well, again, Congressman, tell the SWAT teams that.

00:18:56.000 Unfortunately, however, the Mental Health Screening Initiative received funding from House and Senate appropriations in a 05 federal budget.

00:19:04.000 This funding allows states to create or expand mental health screening programs with your tax dollars.

00:19:11.000 More importantly, the Commission recommends a broader federal program in the near future.

00:19:16.000 Last fall, I introduced an amendment to eliminate any funding for the proposal in the year-end spending bill.

00:19:23.000 Although the amendment failed, the response to my office was overwhelmingly and highly supportive.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, they admitted that they got 2 million phone calls against this in the week it passed.

00:19:32.000 But still, what was it, 87 people passed it?

00:19:36.000 There's only a few Republicans voted against.

00:19:38.000 The Democrats all voted with Lord Bush in the House and Senate.

00:19:42.000 Of course, Limbaugh got on air and said the evil Liberals didn't want this.

00:19:46.000 Pass it, pass it, pass it.

00:19:47.000 Of course, he didn't tell you all the Democrats voted for it, but that's what he does.

00:19:51.000 That's what his job is.

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00:24:07.000 And we've got Dr. Dennis Cuddy, expert on the New World Order and the globalists.

00:24:12.000 Really one of the most intelligent people I know and most informed out there in the second hour.

00:24:20.000 We're going to be going to Bill and Mike and J.R.

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00:24:24.000 But right now I want to get off to another subject just for a few minutes here.

00:24:29.000 I'm not a Branch Davidian.

00:24:31.000 George Pullian, who we're about to talk about, is not a Branch Davidian, neither is Stewart, who's calling in.

00:24:36.000 We all got together, I guess back in 1999, Because, early 99, because they were going to bulldoze an old veteran's house, and they wouldn't let us fix it up, so in a city record 14 days, I put the call out to listeners, we built him a new house, and they bulldozed the old one.

00:24:55.000 And then I was out at Waco covering what was happening there, and nobody had stood up for the Davidians. 1.00

00:25:01.000 We'd all stood there and watched them murder the children, and they were trying to not kick the Davidians off their land, and I said, you know, We ought to build a memorial chapel out here for all those that died, including the police, the federal misguided thugs.

00:25:16.000 There's even a plaque for them out there.

00:25:18.000 So we built a church that seats 400 people in six months, you know, just working on the weekends, really about 35 days of work or so.

00:25:26.000 And the guy who wrote up the plans for Joe Campana, the World War II vets, new house we built, Nice little house.

00:25:33.000 The guy that wrote the plans for the memorial church at Mount Carmel.

00:25:37.000 And who was there helping the whole time.

00:25:41.000 It's George Pullian.

00:25:42.000 And George, veteran himself, really nice guy.

00:25:45.000 He went in and had surgery.

00:25:48.000 He had his, what, spleen taken out.

00:25:50.000 And then you know these hospitals, they got the superbugs in them.

00:25:53.000 Got a superbug and it's like eating his whole body up.

00:25:56.000 I'm basically shutting his whole body down.

00:25:59.000 And yesterday there was doctors were saying he's going to die.

00:26:01.000 He was in a coma on life support.

00:26:03.000 Now they're saying 85% chance he's going to die.

00:26:05.000 We've been praying for him.

00:26:07.000 We ask you all to pray for George Pullian.

00:26:09.000 You can see him in the video America, Waco for Waco.

00:26:11.000 We played a clip of him last night on the TV show.

00:26:14.000 That'll be in this week's news report on prisonplanet.tv.

00:26:18.000 But George is really a great guy and It's sad to see him on the edge of death, but also we've been encouraging the family not to let the hospital Uh, you know, uh, take his life support off to see if he comes out of it.

00:26:37.000 And now they've gone from yesterday saying he will die to, well, he might live now.

00:26:42.000 So that's encouraging.

00:26:43.000 And joining us is Stuart, good friend of mine, one of the fellows of construction, uh, company guy who was out there on Joe Campana, the Veterans House, and then on the Branch Davidian Memorial Church.

00:26:54.000 He's been talking to the family a lot.

00:26:55.000 Uh, Stuart, what's going on?

00:26:57.000 Well, I just thank you, Alex, for taking the call.

00:26:59.000 I appreciate it.

00:27:00.000 And George is on live support.

00:27:05.000 He's all wired up.

00:27:06.000 Evidently, the stupor bug is shutting down his whole system, like you said.

00:27:11.000 They're saying that he's probably not going to make it.

00:27:15.000 But yesterday it was he's not going to make it.

00:27:17.000 Right.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, they were talking about this morning at 8 o'clock, flipping the switch and turning off his life support.

00:27:25.000 Which, I'm told he's still got brainwaves. 0.98

00:27:27.000 That's ridiculous. 0.96

00:27:28.000 He can come out of this. 0.99

00:27:29.000 My uncle was in a coma with brain-dead brainwaves for six weeks.

00:27:34.000 And, you know, today he's got two children, happily married, and out there riding a horse.

00:27:38.000 He's probably riding the fence line right now.

00:27:41.000 Yeah, and you know, there's people from all over the country.

00:27:45.000 Thousands of people came to help rebuild the Branch Davidian Church.

00:27:51.000 Gosh, all of you that are out there, I'm not saying hello to you, I'm the guy with the little Rottweiler puppy, but George is a hero, and we need this guy here, and we really need, I'm just really requesting everybody just really spend some time just praying for him.

00:28:09.000 Uh, that he pulls through this.

00:28:10.000 We need him here.

00:28:11.000 The planet's a better place with a guy like George William here.

00:28:15.000 Well, I know I said a prayer, uh, on the TV and also said one last night privately, but we all should all pray for George.

00:28:23.000 He's a good guy.

00:28:24.000 Yeah, he's a great guy.

00:28:25.000 And, uh, you know, I know that there's massive things going on.

00:28:28.000 You're doing a great show.

00:28:30.000 We could stop for a couple minutes and just, just put a shout out to the Well, I totally agree with you.

00:28:36.000 And which hospital is she in right now?

00:28:38.000 She's in Seton on I-35 in the middle of Central Austin.

00:28:44.000 In ICU.

00:28:47.000 And the whole family's here now.

00:28:51.000 And they're, you know, gathered around trying to figure out what to do and all that.

00:28:54.000 So I'm trying to, you know, encourage them to keep fighting.

00:28:57.000 Are you at the hospital?

00:28:59.000 No, right now I'm back at my house.

00:29:03.000 Well, I need to go by and see George, but I guess that'd probably get in the way.

00:29:09.000 Well, you know, we can meet up there at noon or so, but whatever you want to do.

00:29:13.000 Well, if I can't meet you at noon, I'm going to be on the radio.

00:29:17.000 Oh yeah, that's right, so too.

00:29:20.000 Well, we should all pray for George, and Stuart, I know that you've been really concerned about this, and I appreciate you notifying me of this yesterday.

00:29:31.000 Okay.

00:29:32.000 Take care, my friend.

00:29:33.000 All right, thank you.

00:29:33.000 Bye-bye.

00:29:34.000 Bye-bye, Stuart.

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00:33:01.000 He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:33:10.000 All over television the last few days they were showing a captured Special Forces American soldier held by the evil insurgents in Iraq. 0.97

00:33:22.000 Turned out it was a toy.

00:33:24.000 A toy sold at US military bases in the Middle East.

00:33:28.000 It's a little plastic G.I.

00:33:29.000 Joe style toy, a little plastic gun aimed at him.

00:33:33.000 And last year, remember, a 20 year old computer programmer did a fake beheading in his garage.

00:33:41.000 And then it was announced to the world that it was a real beheading and it was on the news.

00:33:47.000 And the point in this is that's how easy it is to hoax people.

00:33:52.000 I mean, when I first looked at this picture, this morning, I was like, how could anybody not know that's a toy?

00:34:01.000 I mean, it's a toy!

00:34:03.000 With a little plastic M16 aimed at it.

00:34:07.000 Ugh, I mean, it's just crazy. 0.99

00:34:10.000 Are people, like, getting dumber and dumber or something? 0.99

00:34:14.000 But, see, you can con the general public with things like that. 0.99

00:34:17.000 Well, it's just like the Nick Berg beheading.

00:34:20.000 Or the Fat Bin Laden. 0.61

00:34:22.000 Remember that?

00:34:23.000 Months after 9-11 there's this Fat Bin Laden in a dark room who suddenly had gained 150 pounds and had a nose twice the size. 0.91

00:34:31.000 Then they did voice print.

00:34:32.000 They took real audio of the real Bin Laden.

00:34:34.000 They had a voice print key with it.

00:34:36.000 And then tried to run the other Bin Laden's voice through it. 0.91

00:34:38.000 It wasn't even close.

00:34:40.000 And those voice prints were 100%.

00:34:42.000 And then they even had linguists and experts listen to it.

00:34:45.000 It wasn't even somebody with a Saudi Arabian accent.

00:34:48.000 It was totally fake!

00:34:50.000 You don't like the Nick Berg tape?

00:34:52.000 I mean, that's real.

00:34:53.000 Well, yeah, it's real in that he was grabbed by the FBI, held for 13 days, released directly to Al-Qaeda.

00:35:00.000 That's BBC Associated Press.

00:35:02.000 Al-Syeda chops his head off in the same rooms that were videotaped at Abu Ghraib with the same yellow walls, the same chairs, even with the same grease smears on them. 0.94

00:35:14.000 Like we're not going to notice this with fat guys standing around him. 0.91

00:35:21.000 With two legs, the supposed al-Qaeda chief that's cutting his head off only has one leg. 0.90

00:35:25.000 But not in this!

00:35:27.000 We're not supposed to notice all this! 1.00

00:35:29.000 We're supposed to be stupid. 0.99

00:35:30.000 It was like that aid lady who has been in Iraq for 20 years, married to an Iraqi, against the occupation, and then it's reported in the mainstream news that 15 men in Iraqi military police uniforms, led by two Anglo men, come grab her, then they go shoot her in the head, and Al-Syiada takes credit. 1.00

00:35:51.000 I mean, it's openly admitted that Westerners come arrest her, and then blow her head off, and, oh, see, Al-Qaeda did it!

00:35:58.000 You see, you can fool people with a toy.

00:36:00.000 You can fool them with some kid in a garage doing a mock head chopping.

00:36:04.000 You know, people buy this stuff.

00:36:05.000 And we've tracked most of these real beheading videos.

00:36:08.000 They're uploaded from government servers in Houston.

00:36:11.000 Or private corporations in L.A.

00:36:15.000 Or from the state in Arkansas.

00:36:19.000 Being tracked directly back to the U.S.

00:36:22.000 government.

00:36:23.000 Point of origination.

00:36:25.000 Uploaded from secure servers.

00:36:29.000 It just blows my mind how easy it is to con people.

00:36:35.000 It's amazing.

00:36:36.000 So just start thinking for yourselves.

00:36:37.000 Let's take some calls.

00:36:38.000 I'm going to plunge into the news.

00:36:40.000 There's just so much of it here that's important.

00:36:42.000 Like supermarkets.

00:36:43.000 Let your fingers do the walking.

00:36:44.000 Do the paying.

00:36:46.000 Bill in Texas.

00:36:47.000 Bill, go ahead.

00:36:48.000 Yes, okay.

00:36:48.000 Real quick.

00:36:49.000 It's very important.

00:36:50.000 This is about the money in the Pentagon.

00:36:52.000 My wife's dead and my son's dead.

00:36:53.000 It's an incredible story.

00:36:54.000 I've got a package to send you.

00:36:56.000 William Sessions knows all about the money he took my father-in law down.

00:36:59.000 Walter R. Jensen from IBM.

00:37:01.000 He went to Electronic Data Systems.

00:37:02.000 All right, let me go real quick on this.

00:37:04.000 My name is William Patrick Jennings.

00:37:05.000 I'm 58 years old.

00:37:06.000 I'm a security guard ex-construction worker, ex-marine paratrooper, radio operator, former server.

00:37:11.000 This will come in later.

00:37:12.000 Now, Walter Jensen, 228 Pine Lake Village, Florida.

00:37:16.000 He was with IBM for 30 years, all right?

00:37:18.000 They had, of course, the computer you have today is because they put it together.

00:37:22.000 Now, what happened?

00:37:24.000 When Ross Perot got involved in Electronic Data Systems, they had the software.

00:37:28.000 Now in 1989, William Session knows it because he took them down in 1989.

00:37:31.000 Well first off, just tell me what you're talking about.

00:37:33.000 Okay, the money in the Pentagon.

00:37:35.000 It went through Electronic Data Systems.

00:37:37.000 Now you're talking about the $2.4 trillion that's missing now?

00:37:40.000 Yes sir, yes sir.

00:37:41.000 What happened there sir, the first time the data between the Pentagon and their contractors was controlled, it was IBM.

00:37:47.000 That's called Electronic Data Systems.

00:37:49.000 Ross Perot was with IBM.

00:37:50.000 I follow Walter Johnson was with IBM.

00:37:52.000 Yeah, I know, and he sold EDS.

00:37:55.000 Yes, anyway, that's how they stole the money.

00:37:56.000 In 1989, a DA agent told me in Houston they found the numbers to the Pentagon at Walter's house in Florida.

00:38:03.000 In 1992, when Desert Storm started, they were X-raying the grounds in Connecticut in his old house.

00:38:07.000 He sold that to an IBMer.

00:38:08.000 This is on record.

00:38:10.000 Bill Dershoek was a federal agent that was involved for 25 years with my father-in-law, and he committed suicide here in San Antonio seven years ago.

00:38:17.000 Bill Dershoek.

00:38:19.000 Okay?

00:38:20.000 Now, they've hushed this thing up because of damage control for the order.

00:38:23.000 He was a high-ranking Mason.

00:38:24.000 I'll tell you quick how I got involved in it.

00:38:27.000 And here's what happened.

00:38:28.000 He adopted a girl in 1960. 0.83

00:38:29.000 She was 13 years old and she was raped. 0.99

00:38:31.000 He raped her. 0.98

00:38:32.000 The CIA and the FBI did. 0.99

00:38:33.000 You know what?

00:38:34.000 I think that's enough, sir.

00:38:36.000 Here's the problem.

00:38:36.000 I'm not just going to have somebody call up and just start spewing a bunch of names and a bunch of stuff and, uh, thanks for the call, Bill.

00:38:45.000 You want to write some of this stuff down, send me a news article, send me a file, lay out your case, then I might cover it.

00:38:52.000 But, again, I don't know some of the names you're mentioning, some of the things you're saying.

00:38:57.000 My broadcast is not the place for this.

00:39:00.000 Thank you.

00:39:02.000 Now, 1.2 trillion dollars was missing from 1993 to 2003.

00:39:07.000 In ten years, they admit, 1.2 trillion missing.

00:39:10.000 In 10 years, they admit $1.2 trillion missing.

00:39:17.000 $1,200,000,000,000.

00:39:24.000 Now, I've been saying that number since I learned of it in 2003.

00:39:26.000 Well, I came across a CBS News report, then I found the Congressional Budget Office reports two weeks ago when I was doing research for Marshall Law, the new film I'm making.

00:39:40.000 And I found a press conference given about six months ago by Rumsfeld, I wasn't even aware of this, where he admitted, he just said, yeah, 2.4 trillion is missing now, so it's accelerated.

00:39:52.000 It was 1.2 trillion in 10 years, up to 2003.

00:39:56.000 Now in the last year and a half, now almost two years, it has doubled in In two-tenths of the time.

00:40:07.000 I mean, in two years, as much stealing has gone on as went on under Bill Clinton and then the first three years of Lord Bush's watch.

00:40:20.000 2.4 trillion, and it's a minor story.

00:40:22.000 I found four or five articles about it, and I just admit it.

00:40:24.000 Yeah, it's missing.

00:40:25.000 Nothing's going to be investigated.

00:40:27.000 So what?

00:40:27.000 Then they'll bust a few army captains or, you know, generals who are caught buying computers and Palm Pilots en masse and then selling them out the back of their Winnebago.

00:40:36.000 I mean, stuff like that.

00:40:38.000 And then that just accounts for a few billion dollars a year.

00:40:40.000 You know, classic waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:40:44.000 People selling machine guns out the back, or whatever.

00:40:47.000 That's very small.

00:40:48.000 It is massive, systematic.

00:40:50.000 And yes, I know about EDS and Ross Perot.

00:40:54.000 Ross Perot made his money off the government, selling his EDS system first off for implementing welfare payments in New York.

00:41:00.000 I know he did end up selling it to IBM.

00:41:03.000 I know IBM, from my studies, is the most evil, most powerful corporation in the world.

00:41:10.000 It's numero uno.

00:41:13.000 You know, as you go with classical corporations, obviously the private central banks are the biggest, but it's all owned by the same people.

00:41:19.000 Top bohemian grovers, Mr. Watson, we got photos of him with the Nazis.

00:41:24.000 They had IBM technicians there running the death camps, running the machines, running the tabulators. 0.88

00:41:30.000 They would measure how much fat you had, how old you were, put it into the computer, decide whether to kill you on the spot or use you for slave labor.

00:41:38.000 The tattoos were the code numbers to be issued and entered into the computers of the international business machine.

00:41:47.000 I know IBM is involved in the human genome, the applied digital solutions, the implantable chips.

00:41:52.000 I mean, their tentacles pop up everywhere.

00:41:55.000 I mean, they got their tentacles out puppeteering almost everything.

00:42:01.000 And they literally just traffic in control.

00:42:08.000 I don't know particularly.

00:42:09.000 I know EDS runs a lot of the systems for the government, the Pentagon, hence IBM.

00:42:14.000 And I mean, this is grand larceny, folks.

00:42:18.000 Grand larceny.

00:42:19.000 Just again, they calmly report.

00:42:22.000 You hear about $25 billion or something with Enron, or $10 billion with WorldCom, or $250 million with Tyco, or Martin Stewart and $3 million.

00:42:32.000 I mean, so what?

00:42:33.000 That is nothing.

00:42:35.000 That isn't even That's a thimble compared to a washtub, people.

00:42:40.000 I mean, we're talking 2.4 trillion now, and it's just, yeah, it's missing.

00:42:45.000 What you gonna do?

00:42:46.000 We've militarized the police, we've got machine guns, we've got the cameras going up, uh, we've, uh, you know, we've got the prisons built for you and your family. 1.00

00:42:55.000 Shut up! 1.00

00:42:56.000 Yeah, we took the money, and what are you gonna do about it? 1.00

00:42:59.000 You understand us? 1.00

00:43:01.000 We're keeping you safe from Al-Qaeda, so shut up! 1.00

00:43:05.000 Now, that's the attitude. 0.99

00:43:06.000 And you're going, well, let them steal the money.

00:43:08.000 I mean, let whoever's got it have it. 0.99

00:43:10.000 I mean, you know, shut up!

00:43:14.000 Don't you understand that if they get away with that, they're going to get away with taking your pension funds. 0.98

00:43:18.000 They're going to get away with looting Social Security.

00:43:21.000 Don't you understand that the grand larceny, the galactic level, the galaxy of corruption, the gargantuan, Universal size, and there's no way to describe this, of the just pell-mell open, it's legal theft.

00:43:42.000 I mean, they've said the White House is above the law, all law flows from them, and they're just openly announcing it, and it's just what you're going to do.

00:43:50.000 And that's why they want this control grid.

00:43:53.000 Two years ago, they changed the rules where you no longer own your private pension funds.

00:43:57.000 They changed the pension fund rules, it was in the news, they said it was a wonderful new reform, And they said that now companies, uh, it isn't illegal for them to take your pension fund because, well, it's really their money, they can do with it what they want.

00:44:10.000 And then now you start seeing pension funds fail, and looting of pension funds, and that's all going on right now, too.

00:44:16.000 So just keep thinking it's all cute and funny and everything's fine.

00:44:19.000 Okay, fine!

00:44:24.000 Oh, man.

00:44:25.000 Mike in Colorado.

00:44:26.000 Go ahead, you're on the air.

00:44:27.000 World ID card.

00:44:29.000 Yes, World ID Card.

00:44:30.000 Thank you for calling about it.

00:44:31.000 Now, the new legislation, they passed National ID Card a month and a half ago.

00:44:35.000 Now they've introduced a Pan-American Card.

00:44:37.000 It'll all be unified.

00:44:38.000 That's in the new bill.

00:44:39.000 Is it not enough that we get issued Social Security Cards?

00:44:42.000 I know that's not a form of ID, even though some places require it.

00:44:47.000 Well, the card used to say not to be used for personal identification.

00:44:50.000 My card says exactly that.

00:44:51.000 But, but, but, but, forget the 1986 Privacy Act.

00:44:56.000 Then all the other laws say you have to.

00:44:58.000 And is it not enough that we had the driver's licenses at first and then they turned to the credit card driver's licenses?

00:45:05.000 And you also had, you know, some people have passports that the government issued.

00:45:10.000 I mean, just ID after ID after ID.

00:45:15.000 I'm surprised they don't just skip it all and go right to mandatory microchipping.

00:45:19.000 Well, that's next after the nuke goes off.

00:45:21.000 We never thought we'd say this, but as Andy Rooney said, if everybody had a chip, we'd know who the good people were.

00:45:27.000 It's time, folks.

00:45:28.000 You're not for Al-Qaeda, are you?

00:45:31.000 I think that they're going to make it... 0.90

00:45:33.000 At first, voluntary, then mandatory, and then if you don't take it, they'll either kill you or put you in prison.

00:45:38.000 Well, that's already how it is.

00:45:40.000 Oh, you want to get into the VIP section?

00:45:42.000 Gotta have the chip from Florida to California, from England to Barcelona to Spain.

00:45:49.000 It's happening everywhere.

00:45:51.000 And oh, you want to be in the military?

00:45:52.000 You gotta take it.

00:45:53.000 Or oh, you want to be a fire pilot?

00:45:55.000 You gotta take it.

00:45:55.000 Or oh, you want the hospital care?

00:45:57.000 You gotta take it.

00:45:58.000 This is already all being proposed.

00:46:01.000 Oh, you're a prisoner?

00:46:02.000 Gotta take it.

00:46:03.000 It's just a blueprint of... sometimes I think that these one-worlders are intentionally making some of the prophecies and revelations come true, using it as a script.

00:46:14.000 Well, they are!

00:46:16.000 They think it's a script.

00:46:17.000 They laugh.

00:46:18.000 I've talked to globalists.

00:46:19.000 They laugh and go, yeah, we're using the script you people believe in, but see, that's their own delusion.

00:46:24.000 That's their own deception.

00:46:26.000 You see, they...

00:46:27.000 Go ahead.

00:46:28.000 I mean, no, they're Luciferians.

00:46:30.000 That's admitted.

00:46:31.000 It's all over the news, folks.

00:46:32.000 They're members of these death orders.

00:46:35.000 But to them, and then they'll still tell you, though, oh, but God isn't real.

00:46:38.000 You know, we're really God, and yeah, we're creating this, but only because it's a good idea.

00:46:43.000 Yeah, Jesus offends people, but sacrificial human effigies don't.

00:46:48.000 Well, that's right.

00:46:49.000 You know, we've got to take the Ten Commandments out, but it's okay that our president is a member of the Order of Death.

00:46:54.000 Thanks for the call.

00:46:56.000 Very interesting points.

00:46:57.000 Thanks for the call, Mike.

00:46:58.000 Uh, J.R.

00:46:59.000 in Texas.

00:47:00.000 Hello, Alex.

00:47:01.000 J.R., how's Sue Ellen?

00:47:03.000 Sue Ellen's doing great, man.

00:47:04.000 Okay, that's a joke.

00:47:05.000 A TV show.

00:47:07.000 What's up?

00:47:07.000 Hey, Alex, I noticed something recently on that report you did about a year ago about the World Trade Center Building 7.

00:47:17.000 Yes.

00:47:18.000 Okay, on the footage of CBS with Dan Rather, You can see that at about 22 minutes and 30 seconds in that report.

00:47:27.000 You can actually see when the east side rooftop penthouse of Building 7 disintegrates almost 10 seconds before any collapse actually begins on Building 7?

00:47:39.000 No, the first thing they do, and this is called the wedge, So a building in a controlled demolition falls in on itself, you blow a usually off-center column, so that falls first, the building doesn't fall, and then when you start blowing the other columns, it falls into the place where it's already lost support.

00:48:02.000 It's a science.

00:48:04.000 Very hard to do.

00:48:05.000 And then in the new film I'm making, I show other controlled demolitions of Las Vegas hotels and stuff, and we show the wedge.

00:48:11.000 We show how they blow that key column first.

00:48:15.000 Oh yeah, but that penthouse that collapses first was added on later, after the building was completed in the 80s.

00:48:22.000 Well, the reason you see that... Actually, that's the air conditioning complex.

00:48:28.000 The reason you see that fall in first is because that's what's under that main support pillar.

00:48:32.000 Oh, okay, okay.

00:48:34.000 I've been having a lot of good luck waking up people here in my community, and I've been sending out copies of your documentaries to the The Mexican media, you know, in Mexico City and here locally.

00:48:47.000 And people on the street are, you know, they're interested and they're curious about finding out about what's going on.

00:48:53.000 I mean, I think most people are ready to wake up, you know.

00:48:57.000 Well, yeah, no, I've found that people in third world countries and in just foreign countries, period, go, oh, of course, your government carried out the attacks. 0.56

00:49:05.000 Oh, of course, yes.

00:49:07.000 It's just some Americans that have trouble waking up to it.

00:49:11.000 I know, but if you get a chance Alex, check that footage out again because that's very revealing.

00:49:18.000 It's actually going to be in the new film.

00:49:20.000 Alright man, that's great!

00:49:21.000 That's awesome.

00:49:24.000 I can't wait to see the new documentary you're making.

00:49:28.000 Well, we're fighting to get it out.

00:49:30.000 I'm working 18 hours a day to get it done.

00:49:32.000 Well, good job, Alex.

00:49:33.000 I appreciate everything you're doing, and thank you so much for waking me up.

00:49:36.000 I appreciate your call.

00:49:37.000 Good to hear from you, JR.

00:49:39.000 Yeah, you can watch my Building 7 analysis that I did, I don't know, over a year ago on PrisonPlanet.tv.

00:49:49.000 It's one of the free clips, like a 30-minute analysis that I did of the whole thing, playing the clips and going over it.

00:49:55.000 You can go watch all that and hopefully spread it around to people.

00:49:59.000 Just type Alex Jones WTC7 in.

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00:50:06.000 Alex Jones or Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com.

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00:50:12.000 Biggest WTC7 section that we've built.

00:50:15.000 There's even bigger ones out there on the web that came after.

00:50:17.000 I'm glad folks, I mean there's like hundreds of websites focusing on it now.

00:50:21.000 And see, that's where our power comes in.

00:50:24.000 I can plant the seeds, you can plant seeds and do this too.

00:50:27.000 I'm quite a Johnny Appleseed here.

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00:50:41.000 To be the father of many leaders.

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00:57:15.000 Let's talk to Kyle in California.

00:57:18.000 Kyle, go ahead.

00:57:19.000 Hey, Johnny Infoseed. 0.54

00:57:21.000 Thanks for taking my call there.

00:57:23.000 I had a couple of ideas, Alex, and a question for you.

00:57:28.000 One, maybe change the name of PrisonPlanet.tv to University at Prison Planet.

00:57:33.000 So many hours of useful information there.

00:57:36.000 I appreciate all that you've done there.

00:57:40.000 I know you like to examine things with a little foresight, and not anything against the fine people at Berkeley or anything, but here in the Bay Area, they've got something that's called Listener Sponsored Radio that gives you basically about 30% more information about any given topic that I'm sure you're aware of.

00:57:58.000 The other idea was if you could try and secure an interview with Chris Carter from the Exiles.

00:58:04.000 He really seems like he'd be a keystone piece as far as just giving the masses some information.

00:58:11.000 And the question for you would be, what do you think of Michael Ratner from the Center for Constitutional Rights in his court case in Germany against Rumsfeld, Bush, and Gonzales?

00:58:24.000 Well, I'm aware of that case.

00:58:26.000 What do you think of it?

00:58:28.000 Well, it seems that there's some real positives as far as bringing justice, but I can also see the flip side of it.

00:58:35.000 It's the global government aspect, the global justice movement.

00:58:40.000 It's a little bit deeper.

00:58:41.000 Exactly!

00:58:41.000 You know what?

00:58:42.000 Stay there.

00:58:42.000 We'll talk about this briefly on the other side, then about ten minutes into the next hour, we're going to have Dr. Dennis Cuddy joining us.

00:58:48.000 Stay with us.

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00:59:02.000 You want answers?

00:59:04.000 Well, so does he.

00:59:05.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 Alright, into the second hour on the second day of February 2005.

00:59:22.000 On this Wednesday, I'm Alex Jones, your host coming up.

00:59:25.000 We've got Dr. Dennis Cuddy, expert on the Globalist, expert on the New World Order, just incredibly informed, joining us, and of course your phone calls.

00:59:34.000 And I've got a bunch of news about the Cashless Society Control Grid going in and all these new laws that make us all criminals, plus new information on an expansion of the National ID Card that they passed in December of 2004, just a month and a half ago.

00:59:48.000 Now they want to expand it to a Pan-American ID Card, as we told you they would do.

00:59:53.000 But we were talking to Kyle in California, and he mentioned how these war crimes trials have been introduced in Germany and with the EU courts and the UN courts, all these different things.

01:00:04.000 And he said, you know, it sounds good, but isn't this empowering globalism?

01:00:08.000 And it's true. 0.56

01:00:10.000 They've totally taken people's rights in England.

01:00:12.000 They'll take your property, take your free speech, take whatever.

01:00:16.000 And do these horrible things and then to get justice they go to the EU court or other international courts and the courts will actually hand down good rulings.

01:00:26.000 Which, you look how the courts are codified, they're kangaroos, they're tribunals, their law is that you have no rights in the EU, but they're giving down some good rulings.

01:00:36.000 And so it makes them look like the final recourse, and then England and others will follow their orders, and so it's being seen as a helper or a savior.

01:00:47.000 And it's very, very dangerous, and I'll just say the folks that run the EU courts run our courts, and it's... We had the Supreme Court the last two years go, oh yes, we're going to follow the orders of the foreign courts now.

01:00:59.000 That's where we get our final judgment.

01:01:01.000 So very dangerous.

01:01:03.000 Anything else, Kyle?

01:01:05.000 No, it just seems like this whole globalism, this whole globalist plot is just a way to manipulate Globalism which is happening and do it on their terms which is going to leave the people out to dry.

01:01:18.000 But I appreciate your effort and I look forward to shaking your hand one day.

01:01:23.000 Thank you very much.

01:01:24.000 Alright sir, God bless you.

01:01:25.000 I appreciate the call.

01:01:27.000 Let's go ahead and take another call.

01:01:31.000 Let's talk to Kim in Texas. 0.98

01:01:33.000 Kim, go ahead.

01:01:34.000 Hey, Alex.

01:01:34.000 How are you doing today?

01:01:35.000 Great.

01:01:36.000 Hey, listen.

01:01:36.000 I called in earlier this week about the Weekly Reader and the Arnold Amendment.

01:01:41.000 That's right.

01:01:42.000 Some of the schools use it.

01:01:43.000 It tells you about amending the Constitution for Arnold and how great the vaccines are.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, and I decided to do a little research on the Weekly Reader to find out exactly who they were and who owned the company.

01:01:56.000 What I found out is that they were purchased back in 1999 by a company called Ripplewood Holdings.

01:02:03.000 Are you familiar with that company?

01:02:04.000 No.

01:02:06.000 Well, boy.

01:02:07.000 Boy, in 30 minutes I was able to figure out that it's completely loveless and New World Order.

01:02:16.000 The founder and CEO is a gentleman named Timothy Collins.

01:02:21.000 He has an MBA from Yale.

01:02:23.000 He's a former manager of Onyx Corporation in New York.

01:02:30.000 One of the things that they do is they purchase up, they're a purchasing company or an investment company.

01:02:35.000 And what they've done since they were founded in 1995 is they've purchased education, publishing and training, technology, automotive retail, specialty chemicals, consumer products and food manufacturing, and industrial products.

01:02:54.000 And they also are a subsidiary, or they own, or are affiliated with Timelife Incorporated.

01:03:02.000 So, and some of the other things I found out about this gentleman, you know, is that he serves on the Trilateral Commission.

01:03:13.000 Well, yeah, that's the Globalist for you, along with David Rockefeller and Brzezinski.

01:03:16.000 But, you know, when you first called in, you said, oh yeah, the books at school say Arnold for President and vaccinations.

01:03:23.000 I said, oh, is it Time Magazine for kids?

01:03:26.000 Right.

01:03:26.000 Because, I mean, that's just as bad, and all the schools have that.

01:03:30.000 And, I mean, I've seen copies of this.

01:03:31.000 I mean, it's like Orwellian propaganda.

01:03:35.000 Yeah, well, Timelife Inc.

01:03:36.000 is one of their affiliates.

01:03:38.000 He's on all these boards, like for Rosie's for Kids Foundation.

01:03:43.000 It's time to get our children out of these government training camps.

01:03:47.000 Dr. Cutty's coming up.

01:03:48.000 Great points.

01:03:48.000 Thanks for the call, Kim.

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01:09:04.000 Dr. Cuddy, good to have you on with us.

01:09:06.000 Thanks for having me.

01:09:07.000 You bet.

01:09:08.000 Just kind of a thumbnail sketch for those that don't know who you are.

01:09:12.000 Tell us about yourself and I've got questions for you.

01:09:15.000 Okay.

01:09:16.000 Well, early on, I guess back in the 60s, I think now, after the fact, I was being groomed by these, as I call them, power elite for big and better things because I was an inquisitive type and challenging whatever orthodoxy there seemed to be going.

01:09:35.000 The problem for them was that not only did I do that, which they liked, but I also would question and challenge them as well.

01:09:42.000 So I suddenly found that doors that were opening suddenly closed.

01:09:47.000 And I began to check into these people and found out I'd been at one of the, well, actually the first, as it was called, Governor's School of the Nation, sort of a gifted and talented school.

01:09:59.000 And later I was able to get the correspondence between the Tester, the psychological corporation in New York, That they were using, and the correspondents basically said they wanted to keep up with us, keep tabs on us and any similar groups, and so that opened a little door.

01:10:14.000 It was like a puzzle.

01:10:15.000 You start finding these documents, diaries, private papers, letters, and you start adding them up, and pretty soon you find out what the New World Order is all about.

01:10:25.000 I pursued a graduate degree.

01:10:28.000 And I was still looking into this with the early muckrakers. 0.98

01:10:32.000 About a hundred years ago, those were the investigative journalists of their day.

01:10:36.000 And they were far superior than the current bunch.

01:10:39.000 They actually dug into the Rockefeller group and found out who was really making and breaking empires and so on, and that they had agents in every hamlet of the United States watching people who they could support.

01:10:52.000 Give money to and further up the ladder and so forth and so the the puzzle piecing continued and after that I Had a little stint of teaching at UNC Chapel Hill And then I went up with the federal government and found out how the inside works and it's so like a revolving door You'd found these find these foundation people would flood into the government when they're let's say Jimmy Carter was there and then when somebody

01:11:18.000 They didn't like they'd go back to their foundations and fund various projects and it was a funding mechanism for implementing, in this case, education, but all sorts of other things.

01:11:30.000 Let me stop you for a second.

01:11:31.000 I've got some world books from the 60s, encyclopedias from the 50s.

01:11:36.000 I've got one from the fifties with this big foldout.

01:11:39.000 When you look up the New World Order and it's Mussolini, Hitler, all these people and they called for a New World Order, global government controlled by... And then today we have politicians saying New World Order.

01:11:51.000 H.G.

01:11:52.000 Wells wrote about a New World Order.

01:11:53.000 He wasn't just a science fiction writer, folks.

01:11:55.000 He was a futurist and a top globalist kind of minion.

01:12:00.000 Four people that are always wondering, you know, what is the New World Order?

01:12:03.000 What is their goal?

01:12:06.000 Well, over the years, different people have meant different things, but basically you can boil it down, including today, into a world government.

01:12:14.000 But it's not just the government, it's the world economy, one world religion.

01:12:19.000 The goal isn't to just plop it on the people saying, okay, now you're under this dictatorship.

01:12:26.000 What they do is they create situations so the public actually wants this sort of stuff.

01:12:30.000 It's like in Orwell's 1984 where he said, you will come to love Big Brother, you will actually seek

01:12:36.000 uh... the uh... guidance and uh... beneficence of this uh... powerful a group of people big brother group of people uh... in the world government that they would do it initially by economics the plan was to have regional economic arrangements that they link up into a global economy and then say okay and then no one country can stand by itself only the global corporations that are bigger than the countries can manage and control uh... right global corporations and uh... international investment bankers yeah that's a group of the right

01:13:06.000 And they'd say the global economy has to be managed by a world government, and of course to get everybody buying into it, it would have to be a synthesis of Eastern Communism and Western Capitalism into a world socialist government as the ultimate goal.

01:13:20.000 And we have the biggest bankers, the richest families openly pushing all of this in their own papers, their own publications.

01:13:27.000 Now it's out in the open.

01:13:28.000 I mean, when somebody like Thomas Barnett at the Pentagon comes out, and I don't know if you've seen that lecture he gave on C-SPAN, the top strategist there at the Naval War College, darling, and he says, look, we work for Wall Street, We are about global stock.

01:13:44.000 We don't work for the American people. 0.97

01:13:45.000 It is the four stages of globalism, New World Order.

01:13:48.000 I mean, he's right out in the open saying it.

01:13:52.000 Yeah, he has what he calls a PowerPoint presentation, and he's very out in the open.

01:13:56.000 If you actually follow these people, they will come out.

01:13:59.000 I remember there was this week with, it used to be David Brinkley, now Stephanopoulos.

01:14:04.000 I remember a couple of years ago, somebody, I think Cokie Roberts, was asking Stephanopoulos about why Clinton changed his position on China.

01:14:12.000 Originally, it was a human rights violation.

01:14:14.000 We can't have trade with China.

01:14:15.000 Then he flip-flops and says, okay.

01:14:17.000 And Stephanopoulos just said, oh yeah, that's right, Goldman Sachs, CFR, so forth.

01:14:22.000 That's right, that's what did it.

01:14:23.000 And so, if you keep your eye on them, they'll actually come out and tell you what's going on.

01:14:29.000 They do it all the time.

01:14:31.000 And it's... Now, some people say, well, world government's a logical progression from From hunter-gatherers to agrarian to city-states to nation-states to regional governments to And they've introduced the bill.

01:14:46.000 They passed the National ID Card a month and a half ago.

01:14:48.000 Now a new bill, the supplement, is going to create the Pan-American Union ID with standardized stuff.

01:14:54.000 Rich went to England three weeks ago, called for a World ID Card.

01:14:58.000 Why don't we want to live under this, number one, Dr. Cuddy?

01:15:01.000 Well, it's similar to when people ask me what's wrong with National Education Standards or Curriculum.

01:15:08.000 The problem is the oneness of the thing.

01:15:10.000 There are no options.

01:15:12.000 You have these elite at the top, whether it's in education, whatever it is, saying this is the way to do it.

01:15:17.000 And if those people have been in charge of education back in the 60s, then we'd all be suffering under what was called the new math, which was a disaster.

01:15:24.000 And so if you have, if you follow the logic of the pronouncement that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, then even if you had tomorrow a beneficent or benevolent dictator, as it were, at the top,

01:15:42.000 It wouldn't be any time at all before you really had some sort of autocratic, totalitarian... Exactly, they're putting in mechanisms built for abuse, and they're not helpful, they're not good, they're totally sadistic and power-mad, and they're creating a straitjacket.

01:16:01.000 People don't understand, Dr. Cuddy, I'm sure you know this, That they don't just set up police states for nothing.

01:16:08.000 I mean, they're not setting up this police state for no reason.

01:16:10.000 It's because they're going to take the pension funds, they're going to have the National Graph, they're going to do all this stuff.

01:16:16.000 They're already doing all sorts of horrible things right now to our freedoms.

01:16:22.000 And what will life be like under the New World Order if they succeed?

01:16:28.000 Well, it'll be like the gulags.

01:16:32.000 The thing is, a lot of people are looking at it as something obvious.

01:16:36.000 Something instant.

01:16:38.000 Pardon?

01:16:39.000 Something instant, yeah.

01:16:41.000 Not only instant, but obvious.

01:16:42.000 Like, here comes the villain, you know, with his handlebar mustache and, you know, give me the deed to your ranch or I'm going to put you on the railroad track or whatever.

01:16:50.000 But these people don't do that.

01:16:53.000 They use situations so that the public, you know, if there's school shootings, And then everybody says, oh my goodness, gun control.

01:16:59.000 And they say, OK, we'll give you gun control.

01:17:01.000 And so they'll do that, or 9-11 happens.

01:17:04.000 And oh my goodness, for peace and safety, we'll give up some of our freedoms.

01:17:07.000 OK, you'll get the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Act.

01:17:10.000 And it works more like that.

01:17:12.000 You'll have people losing their credit cards.

01:17:16.000 OK, we'll give you a non-paper currency, or you'll have this handy little number.

01:17:22.000 on this card will be all yours and nobody can swipe it you know and so that's what we'll use instead of actual paper currency.

01:17:28.000 And this is long term.

01:17:29.000 I mean they'll have their pundits out there for years going identity theft, identity theft, identity theft.

01:17:35.000 And then they even create the outcry, set up a system where identity theft was easy, don't prosecute it, and then they have their people come out and say we've got to have a national ID card to stop this.

01:17:47.000 That's right.

01:17:48.000 And they'll do it in various ways.

01:17:50.000 What they try to do is If they come at you with one big proposal, you'll be wise to it.

01:17:55.000 So they do it sort of piecemeal, like in the case of the driver's license.

01:17:59.000 Oh, we don't have a national driver's license, but then the feds sort of regulate what each state is required to do, and voila, as they say, you in effect have a national ID using state's driver's license.

01:18:11.000 And then, by the way, we signed some treaties.

01:18:13.000 It's the same system with Mexico and Germany.

01:18:18.000 Yeah, and people are oblivious.

01:18:20.000 I may have told you this before.

01:18:22.000 Back in 95, we signed with Europe, the European Union, what's called a Transatlantic Agreement, where we more or less Agreed to mesh our social welfare systems, our educational systems, so that if you're in Austin, Texas and you want to go to Brussels, your academic credentials as an electrician will be accepted there.

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01:23:28.000 Dr. Cuddy, before I get into some news items and get your response to them, Can we defeat the New World Order?

01:23:35.000 I mean, obviously, it's not going to be an overnight victory.

01:23:37.000 Their system's incremental.

01:23:39.000 Obviously, if we weren't here fighting it, it'd be much worse today if we weren't here resisting it.

01:23:47.000 But overall, I mean, how do you see a victory taking place against the New World Order, or do you see that not happening?

01:23:54.000 It's going to be difficult for this reason.

01:23:56.000 It's not all, well, I'll have to do two or three things here.

01:24:00.000 Number one, what they've done, they're very clever, is they don't have a single target that you can focus on.

01:24:07.000 What they do is they control systems.

01:24:12.000 In education, for example, if you're locally and you've got a bad superintendent and you say, well, let's, you know, 5,000 people show up to protest and lo and behold, you succeed and out the superintendent goes.

01:24:23.000 The system is rigged, though, so that your next superintendent also has to be credentialed by those same progressive education colleges.

01:24:30.000 So it's like shark teeth!

01:24:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:34.000 Plus, you've got to remember that their attitude is they'll get the public to request something.

01:24:39.000 It's sort of like Crassus.

01:24:40.000 Remember when Spartacus was rebelling in the Roman Empire?

01:24:44.000 Crassus used that rebellion to say, OK, I'll save you people of Rome, but you've got to give me more power.

01:24:49.000 And so the people say, oh, please, Crassus, take more power from us as the members of the Republic.

01:24:55.000 Thirdly, it's not just a single thing.

01:24:58.000 It's multiple layers.

01:25:00.000 For example, it's not just, let's say, the driver's license, his ID.

01:25:04.000 It's not just that.

01:25:06.000 But there's something called the Intelligent Transportation System Joint Program Office, which your listeners probably never heard of.

01:25:12.000 And that's the system that scans your license plates, and the coal roads, and you know.

01:25:16.000 Yeah, and they're going to track by, I guess, by 2015, 57 million cars.

01:25:22.000 So it's not just, you know, a driver's license.

01:25:24.000 They're going to be tracking your car too.

01:25:25.000 And by the way, that's already in in most states.

01:25:27.000 Right.

01:25:27.000 Another thing they do is they say it's coming up in 10 years, when it's already implemented, I think, in like 30 states.

01:25:33.000 Okay.

01:25:34.000 The next thing is, you've got to remember, it's not just something obvious, like here's an incident, but what they've done is preconditioned people.

01:25:44.000 For example, most of the listeners may be in Texas, I'm not sure about Texas, but we're all over the nation, most of the water supplies have fluoride, okay?

01:25:53.000 Your listeners probably heard about a controversy about fluoride, you know, and it really doesn't save your teeth and so forth.

01:25:59.000 What your listeners may not know is that This was originally developed way back by not only the communists, but the German General Staff, the Nazis, found out that there was a tissue in the left side of the brain that sodium fluoride, fluoride in the water, would make people less resistant to domination.

01:26:19.000 And so by pumping fluoride into the water, what they're doing over many, many years is slowly conditioning the people to accept what's happening to them, to not resist the domination.

01:26:31.000 And by the way, we have the documents.

01:26:33.000 I have documents from the University of Texas in the 30s.

01:26:37.000 Where they did tests on rodents with sodium fluoride.

01:26:40.000 This is known.

01:26:41.000 This was done.

01:26:42.000 And then, it doesn't matter if most people are against fluoridation, they still do it.

01:26:47.000 And I've seen millions of dollars spent by even private corporations because they love us so much to get, say, the water fluoridated in San Antonio.

01:26:55.000 Yeah, and the person they picked to do that, I have to give about a 30-second history of this thing.

01:27:02.000 At the end of the Second World War, Truman hired this fellow, Oscar Ewing.

01:27:07.000 And he put him in charge of the Federal Security Agency.

01:27:10.000 Sounds like Homeland Security.

01:27:11.000 And under that agency was the Public Health Service.

01:27:15.000 And he hired Edward Bernays to do this.

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01:28:06.000 And that's the level of control.

01:28:08.000 And listen, Bernays is the father of modern advertising, the father of PR, and he's saying in his book, we are global government, you are slaves, ha ha!

01:28:17.000 Yeah, he's Sigmund Freud's nephew.

01:28:20.000 In fact, perhaps, I've read that quote many times, I even have a copy of the book, but perhaps we should read that when we get back.

01:28:24.000 I mean, folks, this is the thing.

01:28:26.000 It's not debatable.

01:28:28.000 Sodium fluoride, the Nazis used it at the death camps.

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01:34:37.000 Before we go to the calls and cover a few other news items, Dr. Cuddy, how do folks get some of your preeminent books on the New World Order?

01:34:46.000 Well, I'm afraid that's a good question because they're all, except for the cover-up books, sold out.

01:34:56.000 They sell very well and so at the moment they're all sold out except the cover-up book.

01:35:04.000 A bunch of these for me, and I haven't even got them on the website yet.

01:35:07.000 I've had them for months.

01:35:08.000 I need to get that done.

01:35:10.000 Well, the cover-up book's excellent.

01:35:11.000 How do folks get it?

01:35:12.000 Well, I would hope they would get it from you.

01:35:17.000 Well, it's not up there yet.

01:35:18.000 I mean, I guess I could have them put them on the 1-800 number and put it on the website tonight.

01:35:23.000 Okay, we'll do that.

01:35:24.000 I will crack the whip, and I will get it up there.

01:35:27.000 And how much should I sell it for, Dr. Cuddy?

01:35:30.000 Well, the retail is $11.95.

01:35:35.000 Okay, well we'll get them up there on the website by tonight.

01:35:38.000 And we do have the cover-up book.

01:35:40.000 I had no idea we'd be doing this, but that's fine.

01:35:42.000 And what about websites where we can read some of your great writings?

01:35:46.000 Most of my articles are published on newswithviews.com.

01:35:53.000 You know, they're just awesome, but I would ask you to start sending me your articles.

01:35:56.000 We put them on the main page.

01:35:58.000 Uh, I'm going to make a note right there to do that.

01:36:00.000 Let me give you my secret email address during a break.

01:36:03.000 Alright.

01:36:04.000 Because it gets caught and lost in all the spam and the other email addresses.

01:36:08.000 I'll tell you, that spam's out of control.

01:36:10.000 We need to have the government take over the internet.

01:36:13.000 I'm being sarcastic.

01:36:13.000 Right.

01:36:15.000 Well, no, that's the way they work.

01:36:17.000 That's the way they work.

01:36:18.000 Now, I wanted to bring up another point before we take calls.

01:36:21.000 Semantical manipulation and false left-right manipulation.

01:36:25.000 Two questions.

01:36:26.000 I want you to try to get a synopsis.

01:36:28.000 Give us your unique perspective on it.

01:36:30.000 But here's an example of how they semantically manipulate things.

01:36:36.000 Over and over and over again.

01:36:38.000 They will call George Bush A conservative, when he's doubled the growth rate of government for gun control, open borders, almost all his appointees are more liberal than Clinton, he's increased abortion funding by 82% since Clinton, 110% Department of Education, some departments have even quadrupled, but most of them are doubling.

01:37:00.000 All the classic social welfare state things, amnesty, all of this, But then Rush Limbaugh will get on the air and say, you've got to get behind the National ID card.

01:37:13.000 The liberals are against it.

01:37:14.000 I actually heard him say this, but it didn't matter because people didn't check the facts.

01:37:20.000 The Democrats voted more with Bush than Republicans did on that.

01:37:23.000 I mean, how do we explain to people the semantical manipulation? 0.90

01:37:30.000 Unfortunately, the public, through the public schools, has been dumbed down.

01:37:34.000 They, you know, prior to about 40 years ago, people knew exactly what you're talking about if they just read Alice in Wonderland, you know, Humpty Dumpty, and they would say, well, words mean whatever I say they mean, and they were deliberately changing it, and then, you know, more recently, Orwell's New Speak and Double Think, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, War is Peace, you know, they knew the games that people, including the government, Apparently could play, but now they've been so dumbed down, it's really hard.

01:38:04.000 What they do is they'll say, George W. Bush is a conservative, and therefore, if you are to the right of a more conservative than he is, when he's really not a conservative, then you must be some sort of extremist. 0.90

01:38:16.000 And that's part of that, as you've described before, the Delphi Technique.

01:38:20.000 You alienate and discredit people who are at the extreme left or right, doesn't matter.

01:38:25.000 Because what you're driving is the forced consensus.

01:38:29.000 Or a synthesis that is the ultimate goal.

01:38:32.000 And so, what you might have, let's say, in this Iraq election would be a typical example of it.

01:38:40.000 The way you would explain it is say, what is the goal of these people?

01:38:43.000 Well, in their own words, they want this permanent military presence there in the region.

01:38:47.000 All right, how do you get a permanent military presence?

01:38:50.000 You have to have whoever is in control requesting you to stay.

01:38:53.000 Please stay.

01:38:54.000 And you create a quagmire.

01:38:56.000 Uh, okay, right.

01:38:57.000 And so you have this election, which they're saying, oh, isn't this wonderful, all right?

01:39:03.000 The problem is, what they've done is they've pitted the Shiites against the Sunnis, all right, so that the Sunnis say, well, you know, this would be Shiite Islamic law, not like separation of church and state, And so, we, the Sunnis, just like Americans, let's say, Protestants wouldn't want to live under Catholic law or vice versa, they say, well, we can't stand that, you know, so we're not going to participate in this thing.

01:39:29.000 So that throws a monkey wrench into the process, but just in case that doesn't work out, What you do is you create a situation where the Shiites are going along with this because they see themselves a majority, but you put this neat little proviso in there that says if two-thirds of the people, when this assembly drafts the constitution, if two-thirds of the people in just three of the eighteen provinces veto it, it's dead! 0.72

01:39:53.000 And so now the Sunnis can come back when this assembly, dominated by the Shiites, who think they're the majority, come up with a constitution based on Shiite Islamic law and say, guess what? 0.97

01:40:03.000 We three provinces, north and west of Baghdad, veto this thing, so you're out of here! 0.52

01:40:09.000 And so therefore, we're going to have to stay there, because we're going to have this permanent military presence that, like I said about America and the gun control, they will request it.

01:40:18.000 They will continue, please stay, please stay, please stay.

01:40:22.000 And that's the goal.

01:40:23.000 It's amazing, and it's making you love Big Brother at the end of the day.

01:40:28.000 Uh, yeah.

01:40:29.000 They've had a lot of experience.

01:40:32.000 Well, let me take a spin here, too.

01:40:33.000 Rumsfeld had the nerve to get up last year on Face the Nation.

01:40:37.000 We played the clip, and they said, well, you said there were weapons of mass destruction that you knew right where they were at.

01:40:41.000 He said, you know, I don't appreciate you saying that.

01:40:43.000 That's an urban legend made up by enemies of this administration.

01:40:46.000 And so they played clips of him saying it.

01:40:49.000 And, of course, that was one time they actually challenged him.

01:40:52.000 Now they say it was never about weapons of mass destruction.

01:40:54.000 It was about bringing democracy.

01:40:56.000 Well, then they said that they weren't going to let anybody know who was running against the already installed candidates until election day.

01:41:02.000 And then, so you can't even believe the election to begin with.

01:41:06.000 I mean, it's just... But see, oh, now, see, we went there for democracy, and now we've got to spread it to the other Arab countries.

01:41:14.000 Well, getting back to what you began with about the weapons of mass destruction, Even if you look at that, and even if you assume it's correct, it doesn't make sense.

01:41:25.000 I'm not talking about, you know, somebody lying or not.

01:41:27.000 I'm saying it just doesn't make sense, because let's say they had weapons of mass destruction.

01:41:30.000 Let's say they have the up to 500 tons of coal and panels that they have.

01:41:35.000 Why would you want to then put all of your troops right close together in Kuwait and have them subject to this tremendous amount of weapons of mass destruction, or If we say now we had to go in there because Saddam had them and might distribute them to terrorists and wherever else. 0.56

01:41:51.000 Yeah, what about Pakistan?

01:41:52.000 What about North Korea?

01:41:53.000 Well, the one way to assure that Saddam would distribute them was to invade. 0.79

01:41:58.000 And so either they didn't have them or he has distributed them, which was our goal to prevent anyway in the first place.

01:42:09.000 Well, it's simple.

01:42:09.000 They went into Iraq because we've been in control of their intelligence agency since we put Saddam in.

01:42:14.000 The globalists ordered him to invade all these countries, and they knew he was a pushover.

01:42:19.000 Not only that, we in the ISI, the Pakistani intelligence, are virtually the same.

01:42:25.000 And you've got to remember, nobody has ever, well, I mean in officialdom, Nobody has ever asked why that General Mahmoud wasn't questioned after he had given the $100,000, or had the $100,000 wired to Mohammed Atta.

01:42:40.000 Well, and again, he was having breakfast with Porter Goshen Graham the morning of 9-11 at 8-30, and Bush was across town at the Ritz-Carlton having breakfast with the head of the Bin Laden family, Swartz A.P. 0.76

01:42:50.000 Leningradian, and then flying him out of the country, and then they flew out the Taliban and Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan three weeks into the More in Afghanistan.

01:42:59.000 People don't get this.

01:43:00.000 It was all staged, folks.

01:43:01.000 They conscripted little goat herders, little kids in the front lines.

01:43:05.000 And I'll never forget the Northern Alliance going, why don't you bombard the lines behind the lines where the Arab fighters are? 1.00

01:43:11.000 And then they learned why.

01:43:12.000 Helicopters landed, picked them up, took them to air bases, and flew them out.

01:43:16.000 It was all staged.

01:43:17.000 Yeah.

01:43:18.000 There was a fellow down where I am at a military base saying he was there.

01:43:23.000 He had his rifle strained.

01:43:25.000 They were about ready to attack.

01:43:26.000 And all of a sudden, he says, here come these helicopters in and swoop in and pick up these guys who are about ready to hit and fly them off to safety.

01:43:33.000 Well, that was even in the San Francisco Chronicle.

01:43:35.000 A special forces colonel had like 4,000 Taliban Al-Qaeda cornered and they were ordered to stand down and they sat there and watched this helicopter, and this was in the San Francisco Chronicle, black helicopters, that means, you know, above secret, you know, Delta, FEMA, and there's whole groups of these people, of these secret squadrons, as they're called, And they went in and took him out into the airbases and then another general complained.

01:43:59.000 He caught the head Taliban general.

01:44:02.000 They were ordered, give him a convoy, give him food and money, release him, and then watched him drive over the Pakistan border.

01:44:08.000 And for folks that don't understand this, again, they picked Iraq because they controlled it from the beginning with intelligence sources back when they were allies.

01:44:17.000 Same thing with Afghanistan with the Mujahideen in the 1980s.

01:44:20.000 I mean, this is the same MO over and over again.

01:44:26.000 It has a long history.

01:44:27.000 Saddam, back in the fifties, was a CIA-trained hitman assassination.

01:44:31.000 Yeah, trained in Egypt in 1954.

01:44:33.000 Yeah, and the year before that, Allen Dulles had hired Norman Schwarzkopf's father, who had been head of the New Jersey State Police, to train people with a $10 million secret slush fund to overthrow the government of Iran, because they had nationalized their oil, and we didn't like that.

01:44:52.000 That's right, that's why Norman speaks Arabic.

01:44:55.000 All right, let's go ahead and take a call.

01:44:59.000 I appreciate you guys holding patiently.

01:45:02.000 Jim in Michigan, you're on the air with Dr. Dennis Cuddy.

01:45:04.000 Go ahead.

01:45:07.000 Or maybe you're not on the air.

01:45:10.000 He just hung up as I went to him.

01:45:12.000 Tim in Ohio.

01:45:13.000 Tim, go ahead.

01:45:15.000 Good afternoon, Alex.

01:45:15.000 Thanks for taking my call.

01:45:16.000 You bet.

01:45:17.000 Welcome.

01:45:17.000 Hello, Dr. Cuddy.

01:45:18.000 Hello.

01:45:19.000 Interesting conversation, gentlemen.

01:45:20.000 I appreciate you having us on as a guest.

01:45:24.000 1947 is an interesting year.

01:45:25.000 A lot of that came about.

01:45:27.000 Alex, the last couple times I talked, I was asking you about the Tavistock Institute, which got its start in 1947.

01:45:32.000 Isn't that the same year of the Nuremberg Trials and the year that they began fluoridating the water?

01:45:39.000 Same year as the National Security Agency and the National Security Act.

01:45:43.000 Yeah, tell us about 1947, Dr. Cuddy.

01:45:46.000 Well, as your listener said, and earlier I mentioned 1947 is when it was called the Federal Security Agency was begun by Truman.

01:45:56.000 He put Oscar Ewing in charge when he hired Edward Bernays to do the fluoride bit.

01:46:02.000 In terms of Tavistock, yeah, basically you had the psychiatric clinic back in 1920.

01:46:09.000 With Deputy Director John Rawlings-Reese up to his usual tricks.

01:46:14.000 And we have a statement of his back in 1940 saying how they infiltrated the church and infiltrated some other professions to control them.

01:46:23.000 And so during the Second World War, Alan Gregg was Medical Director of the Rockefeller Foundation.

01:46:28.000 They would look around to see who they could get to put wartime psychology into the civilian population.

01:46:33.000 And so they funded something new, the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, which hooked up with Kurt Lewin and the research group on group dynamics at Michigan, and they came out with a journal, Public Relations.

01:46:47.000 But basically, Tavistock sort of did a psychological maneuvering here over the years, and one of their senior associates, Fred Emery, came up with what he called a theory of social turbulence, where he said if you throw a bunch of crises at people, economic, social, political, doesn't matter, they were going to psychological retreat.

01:47:08.000 And so that was really important in the 60s and 70s.

01:47:13.000 You heard the phrases tuned out and turned off and things like that.

01:47:18.000 And so that's what they were trying to do because if you can get the vast majority of the American people tuned out and turned off, then you have fewer people who can control the process.

01:47:29.000 Wasn't that Dr. Timothy Leary's saying?

01:47:32.000 Yeah, Timothy, and he also hooked up with the CIA, which was the chief... Yeah, it turned out he was CIA and admitted he was an FBI mole all those years, setting up the kids, getting them on the drugs, and it's just like Gloria Steinem in one of her own books admits, I was a CIA asset, they gave me the money to start Miss Magazine.

01:47:54.000 Yeah, Larry did all that, and Gloria did that, and Timothy with the CIA was instrumental in a lot of the LSD on college campuses, but the place they got it from was the Eli Lilly.

01:48:06.000 They cooked up a batch of that, and that's where, you know, you have to, like I said, it's putting the pieces of a puzzle.

01:48:11.000 Sidney Torrell was a chief person with Lilly, and Bush put him on the Homeland Security Board.

01:48:17.000 Eli Lilly, I think, is one of the makers of Prozac or one of these antidepressants.

01:48:22.000 Which is classified, actually, as a hallucinogen.

01:48:25.000 Psychotropics are a subdivision of hallucinogenics.

01:48:29.000 Yeah, the psychotropic drugs, their antidepressants as well as other forms, is now a big part of this new quote.

01:48:36.000 Freedom Initiative of President Bush.

01:48:38.000 Yeah, it's New Freedom!

01:48:40.000 Now, that was born of down in Texas, right?

01:48:42.000 The T-MAP, the Texas Medical Algorithm Program, if I'm correct?

01:48:45.000 Yeah, that's where it started.

01:48:47.000 It's gotten somewhat more broad because now there's a New Freedom Commission on Mental Health.

01:48:52.000 And so they're pushing mental health all over.

01:48:56.000 Well, there's two things.

01:48:57.000 There's legislatively in Congress, and then President Bush asked 25 federal agencies to see how they could implement the recommendations of the commission.

01:49:05.000 But there's two different things.

01:49:07.000 There's the executive part, that's Bush and the federal agencies.

01:49:11.000 In terms of federal legislation, a number of conservatives have gotten in trouble for calling up their congressmen and saying, you guys are forcing mental health screenings without... By the way, G. Gordon Liddy refused to shut up about this.

01:49:25.000 He said call, they got millions of calls, and then he was terminated.

01:49:29.000 It's like pages right out of the book Philip Drew, Administrator.

01:49:32.000 Uh, that was, uh, yeah, The New Freedom was, uh, was Woodrow Wilson's theme, and the book was written by Colonel House, who says socialism is dreamed of by Karl Marx.

01:49:41.000 Yeah, stay there.

01:49:42.000 We'll be back.

01:49:43.000 More psychological testing at gunpoint of you and your family, because it's going to start for adults, too.

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01:52:48.000 Coming up, I want to talk to Dr. Dennis Cuddy about how they're criminalizing everything.

01:53:03.000 Don't finish your homework, you're arrested.

01:53:06.000 Don't pick up junk in your yard, three years in prison.

01:53:11.000 Everything becoming a crime.

01:53:12.000 But then government criminality turned loose.

01:53:17.000 But right now, let's go back to the calls.

01:53:19.000 Let's go to John and Barney and Fred and Bobby and Ron and others.

01:53:25.000 John, where are you calling us from?

01:53:29.000 Some reason we're having trouble with the phone lines today.

01:53:32.000 Okay, let's go to the next caller.

01:53:33.000 Barney in Maryland.

01:53:34.000 Barney, go ahead, you're on the air.

01:53:36.000 Yeah.

01:53:38.000 I think that the law that I call the Law of Genetic Probability is a method used to control people.

01:53:46.000 Just like you can train and predict how animals are apt to respond, people respond in a similar way.

01:53:54.000 People in the military are the most glaring example of this.

01:53:58.000 Their unofficial motto is, Ours is not to think or reason why, Ours is but to do or die.

01:54:07.000 The robotic actions of Bush gave the secret away.

01:54:11.000 What do you think?

01:54:14.000 Well, are you talking about how, I mean, the globalists know human nature and are good at manipulating it.

01:54:18.000 Dr. Cuddy?

01:54:20.000 Yeah, they've done a lot of tests.

01:54:22.000 Actually, the Army sort of funded B.F.

01:54:24.000 Skinner back in the 60s about $290,000 to see if, you know, the personnel in the Army could be, I would say, manipulated, to use a term that your listener would be familiar with.

01:54:38.000 Yeah, you watch them, in the military in particular, they have the reverie sounds, they go to a shower, they go to the bathroom, they go do their daily routine, they march around like toy soldiers, yeah.

01:54:53.000 Now there's a process, picking up on what the last caller mentioned about 1947, same time, Tavistock, there was something in this country That fits with what your caller, this caller, is talking about.

01:55:04.000 They set up the National Training Laboratories.

01:55:07.000 It was co-founded by the NEA, National Education Association.

01:55:10.000 So that by 1962, they had come out with a book called Issues in Human Relations Training, where they said the sensitivity training that they were going through, and that's what Skinner would put the Army personnel through, amounted to, quote, brainwashing, quote.

01:55:24.000 That's their word.

01:55:25.000 Yeah, well, I think they used that sensitivity training a lot with the prisoners in North Korea.

01:55:31.000 Yeah, Edward Hunter went into that quite a bit in the '50s.

01:55:36.000 And that's a good example of what Alex was saying earlier.

01:55:39.000 Here you come, North Koreans in, they beat somebody to a pulp, whatever, and then they give them a little food and it turns out that's a conditioning process so the prisoner actually is grateful to the people who are torturing him in the first place. 0.97

01:55:51.000 Well basically they play good cop, bad cop.

01:55:53.000 Bernie, thanks for the call.

01:55:55.000 Pleasure.

01:55:56.000 Dictators and thugs 2,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago, instinctively knew these tactics.

01:56:02.000 And then these things have been written down and codified 1,000 years ago.

01:56:07.000 But I've got the documents.

01:56:10.000 It's been well documented.

01:56:11.000 The French and then the Germans, 200, 300 years ago, developed the ways to have the soldiers march, to look straightforward, to teach them discipline, to abuse them, to break them down, and to quote, build them back up, where they then defended the cult. 0.53

01:56:25.000 And really, The French set up a system of how, or the panopticon, where we all self-enforce on each other, and where society itself is set up like a prison. 0.88

01:56:39.000 Dr. Cuddy?

01:56:40.000 Yeah, that's, if you can condition, it's what Bertrand Russell called mass propaganda.

01:56:48.000 It wouldn't just be an individual that you'd be hypnotizing or something.

01:56:52.000 You could create whole societies in which, as Russell said, you could get them actually to say that snow is black, and when you've got them to that point, you don't even need police.

01:57:00.000 He says the society polices itself.

01:57:03.000 Well, did you see the New York Times quote where this Bush administration official said, we now actually control reality?

01:57:09.000 I mean, the quote sounds like O'Brien in 1984.

01:57:13.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:57:15.000 In the Ministry of Love, where he's got Winston, and that's important that you just said that.

01:57:20.000 Because Winston's saying, well, people will never submit to this oppression.

01:57:23.000 And then O'Brien said, yeah, but what if we quicken the tempo of human life?

01:57:26.000 Because if you speed things up, then people have less time to reflect on what you're doing to them.

01:57:31.000 You keep them busy, you know, going to the shopping mall, the ball game, all this stuff.

01:57:34.000 And you're, it's more easy to, uh, control them.

01:57:38.000 It's unbelievable.

01:57:39.000 We'll be back with the third hour.

01:57:41.000 Big Brother.

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01:57:53.000 cover-ups.

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01:58:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:06.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're now 30 seconds into this third hour.

01:58:18.000 It is the second day of February 2018.

01:58:22.000 We have Dr. Dennis Cuddy with us for about another 20-30 minutes.

01:58:27.000 Time to take your calls and go over some more news.

01:58:30.000 And again, I challenge you to stop Dr. Dennis Cutting into a search engine.

01:58:33.000 You'll see a lot of the articles he's written out there.

01:58:35.000 We posted a lot of them at InfoWars.com.

01:58:38.000 He's got them at NewsWithViews.com.

01:58:41.000 We've been talking about just the system of control.

01:58:43.000 And Dr. Cutting, in the last hour, I said, can we defeat this?

01:58:46.000 You said, well, it's going to be hard because it is this creeping, multifaceted, multivariate system where they already control all the major grids and they're masters at really building the rat maze and then we just accept the contours of the walls as if this is our universe.

01:59:06.000 They're actually map makers of the mind.

01:59:08.000 We have to build new maps, but to do that we have to show people the roadmap itself.

01:59:15.000 That's what we intend to do on this broadcast, but I have faith because We've gone just the last six, seven years from what I witnessed to everybody listening to me, rather than half the people disagreeing, we've gone to folks all over just almost instantly, almost subconsciously, you know, the group consciousness, whatever you want to call it, understanding something's wrong and

01:59:37.000 So it may seem like the New World Order says that things are flat today, but tomorrow we're going to be the majority, but the world is round, but they're good, like judo experts, and even taking control of our own counter-revolutions, which I've seen some attempts to infiltrate. 0.88

01:59:51.000 But I see humanity making it through this, and we're always going to have problems and evil, and this stuff's going to be going on, but do you think we're at least Got them behind schedule and holding them back at certain levels?

02:00:05.000 Yeah, we've got them a little behind schedule, but they're pretty adaptable.

02:00:11.000 They control our choices, and they control them from early on, so by the time you get to be a presidential candidate, you've already been vetted by these people and beholden to them, or they've got something on you.

02:00:25.000 As it were.

02:00:25.000 Plus, if not just that, they actually anticipate that people like you and I will come along and give them a hard time.

02:00:34.000 And so what they do, this sort of multi-headed hydra they have, is a preemptive strike against us by actually creating their own opposition.

02:00:43.000 So let's say, you know, there's this new world order, right?

02:00:47.000 They're going to create, and we're going to wake up to it, and we're going to start exposing it and yelling and screaming.

02:00:51.000 And so they'll create an opposition, you know, and so you join up the XYZ group or whatever it is. 0.74

02:00:57.000 And lo and behold, the XYZ group is really their group that is out there, you know, even more vociferous than we are.

02:01:04.000 So, yo, down with the New World Order!

02:01:07.000 But you can always tell who that group is because they'll finally tell you there's no hope, quit, we were wrong, or they'll start saying really crazy stuff.

02:01:15.000 Forget about the 9-11 truth movement, just go to sleep.

02:01:19.000 Yeah, I'm glad you've made that second point especially because the thing is, With this controlled opposition, not only can they keep tabs and control it, they can also discredit it at any time, make it appear extremist.

02:01:32.000 In other words, let's say there's a militia form, right?

02:01:34.000 New world order, oh my goodness, this is bad, lots of militia to form.

02:01:38.000 So when you create certain oppositions, not only do you control them or the direction, you can actually have two or three people act really weird and discredit them if you need to.

02:01:49.000 It's amazing.

02:01:53.000 Absolutely amazing, Dr. Cuddy. - Thank you, guys.

02:01:57.000 I think they're going to lose, though.

02:01:58.000 I think people are really starting to get wise to them.

02:02:01.000 Well, the people are starting to get wise, but the people have been conditioned to just sort of sit there and say, yeah, this is bad, what can I do?

02:02:08.000 Or, I as an individual will, you know, speak out.

02:02:11.000 What they're really afraid of is publicity from a lasting, organized effort.

02:02:17.000 For some reason, the American public does not want to organize against these people.

02:02:23.000 Well, you try any real organization, that's when the feds and the provocateurs start showing up.

02:02:28.000 I've tried it.

02:02:28.000 That's true.

02:02:29.000 That's true.

02:02:29.000 I mean, they show up, folks, like flies on, you know, sugar.

02:02:34.000 I mean, it just flies on rotten meat.

02:02:37.000 And they're just, they're bam, right there.

02:02:39.000 We'll be right back with Dr. Cuddy and your call.

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02:06:06.000 Yeah, I've got this quote attributed to Karl Rohn in the New York Times. - Where he's saying, hey, it doesn't matter if we say there's weapons of mass destruction one day and there aren't the next.

02:06:21.000 We're an empire now.

02:06:24.000 And we decide what reality is and we'll make reality today, we'll change it tomorrow, we'll change it again the next day.

02:06:29.000 That is almost identical to what O'Brien, who's torturing Winston, Or, re-educating him, loving him, helping him, in O'Brien's words, at the ministry of love.

02:06:41.000 Which isn't very loving, but, hey, in the age of new freedom being forced psychological testing and drugging, I guess it is the ministry of love.

02:06:48.000 And truth, and plenty.

02:06:50.000 But, to read that quote about, we control the reality, they really mean this!

02:06:57.000 They're saying, you people have no mooring, no compass, you just regurgitate whatever we tell you, And you're all just passive.

02:07:04.000 He went on to say that.

02:07:08.000 And we're going to change reality over and over again.

02:07:10.000 You know, Winston, how many fingers am I holding up?

02:07:12.000 He's like, 2, 3, 4, 8, 7.

02:07:14.000 I don't know.

02:07:16.000 Whatever you say.

02:07:17.000 Yes, that's good.

02:07:19.000 You, Winston, are unable to even tell how many fingers I've got up until I tell you.

02:07:24.000 That's the type of jellyfish I want.

02:07:27.000 And this is what they've done.

02:07:29.000 They know what they're doing.

02:07:32.000 And it goes for their minions and the rest of them.

02:07:34.000 I mean, Dr. Cuddy, people will serve this New World Order even though the New World Order does horrible things to them.

02:07:39.000 And sometimes I feel like Winston, you know, where he goes, something will stop you.

02:07:45.000 You know, the human spirit will stop you.

02:07:48.000 And O'Brien's leering over him.

02:07:51.000 You're thinking that my body looks old, Winston, that I'll soon be dead.

02:07:55.000 Well, the, you know, the The pain of the cell is part of the vigor of the organism, always passing on the nerve of power, Winston!

02:08:07.000 How do the top globalists, I know they're social Darwinists, and well, somebody's got to do it, and we're keepers of the light, so we've got to be more evil than anybody, but I mean, you've been around globalists, you've studied them, how do they do this?

02:08:19.000 How do they have a, I mean, my conscience just is seared and in pain, just overlooking at what they're doing, much less imagine being part of it.

02:08:29.000 Yeah, well, if they're breeding, it's the sort of old noblesse oblige.

02:08:35.000 That's why when I talk to people, I say there's a difference between the values of the French Revolution and the American Revolution, although they sound the same, liberté, galité, fraternité, because the elite believes that they're born to rule.

02:08:49.000 In fact, David Rockefeller told William Dannemeyer, a congressman from California, that Most, uh, there are men who are born to rule, but most people, uh, most men are born to be ruled.

02:09:00.000 Arnold Schwarzenegger told U.S.

02:09:02.000 News & World Report that in 1990.

02:09:05.000 And that's, uh, yeah, he, he said in 90 that, uh, he likes control, he likes power, you know, that's, but people need to be, to be led.

02:09:13.000 He told him what to do.

02:09:13.000 Uh, same thing in the movie.

02:09:15.000 Yeah, the same thing in the movie Agency back in 1980, Robert Mitchum was the star there, played, uh, Mr. Quinn.

02:09:21.000 And the way they did it was through subliminal advertising.

02:09:24.000 They said the people want to be led.

02:09:26.000 They need to be told what to do.

02:09:28.000 You notice a lot of them are into, like in the Brotherhood of the Rose, raising flowers.

02:09:38.000 And they also breed horses and cattle.

02:09:40.000 We're just another four of Anna.

02:09:43.000 You're incredible.

02:09:44.000 During the break I was thinking of what I was going to say when I came back.

02:09:47.000 And I was going to say they're collectors.

02:09:50.000 Yeah, they collect.

02:09:51.000 They like to collect whole societies.

02:09:53.000 Like this Monopoly board buying up new movements.

02:09:56.000 They print the money, folks.

02:09:57.000 And I was going to say they're breeders.

02:09:59.000 Like the Queen obsessed with breeding dogs and horses. 0.82

02:10:02.000 That's right.

02:10:03.000 That's what Hitler was obsessed with. 0.81

02:10:04.000 Heinrich Himmler was a breeder.

02:10:07.000 Yeah, they're always into that genetic engineering and eugenics, and that's why Sir Julian Huxley, right after World War II and UNESCO, which we just rejoined, said that was their purpose, to have a world government and to get people to think about eugenics. 0.87

02:10:23.000 We're just going to have to move in that direction.

02:10:26.000 And that's what we are.

02:10:27.000 We are to be managed, to be bred, to be led, to be told what to do.

02:10:33.000 And it's sort of, as you mentioned before, a new type of feudalism.

02:10:38.000 And that's what W.J.

02:10:39.000 Gint, one of the editors of the American Fabian Magazine, wrote this book, Our Benevolent Feudalism.

02:10:46.000 And they said that's what the oligarchs and plutocrats will run us by in the future. 0.99

02:10:50.000 We'll be in this new age where you'll have this managerial elite and we'll all be these little worker bees under them.

02:10:57.000 And then you read what the elite's saying, they plan to cull 80% of the worker bees.

02:11:02.000 Uh, at least 90... Sam Kean at the Gorbachev Forum in 95 said 90% reduction.

02:11:09.000 And Dave Turner said 95%.

02:11:11.000 They all applauded.

02:11:14.000 All of Gorbachev's friends applauded.

02:11:15.000 So, folks, you have, you know, world government, hey, let's have a world government. 0.55

02:11:18.000 Okay, the people that are building it are saying they're going to kill you.

02:11:21.000 I mean, you might want to listen to them.

02:11:23.000 I just might want to.

02:11:26.000 Yeah, or regulation in this sense.

02:11:30.000 I had mentioned Eli Lilly before.

02:11:32.000 What they made was their Marisol, and now just follow this for 15 seconds.

02:11:39.000 You make the Marisol, all right?

02:11:41.000 Now, it's not doing very well at all.

02:11:44.000 It's a mercury-based preservative, and they had to recently remove from childhood vaccines.

02:11:48.000 What they found is that there's like two and a half times The youngsters were more likely to get neurological disorders, okay?

02:11:55.000 So now you've got neurological disorders, right?

02:11:58.000 Like attention deficit disorder.

02:11:59.000 Then you come along and say, hey, we need these mental health screenings, right?

02:12:03.000 And so once you get the mental health screenings under that rubric, you know, that we have these problems with all these youngsters with ADD or whatever, And once you get that, then you can get them on these strong antidepressants.

02:12:14.000 And the psychotropics screw their brains up even worse, so now they'll get on more drugs. 0.67

02:12:18.000 Right.

02:12:18.000 And that way you manage them, you know, Ritalin, whatever it is.

02:12:23.000 And so that, in turn, might cause a person to go berserk and shoot up a school yard.

02:12:28.000 Uh-oh, now we've got to have that gun control. 0.99

02:12:30.000 Well, this new kid who shot his grandparents and burned the house down, totally normal, went on Zoloft, and they doubled the dozen one day, and he went absolutely berserk.

02:12:40.000 And so you have, in the case of the school shootings, whether it's Let's see, uh, Kip Kinkle, and then there was one or two others.

02:12:48.000 Clybold, there's hundreds.

02:12:49.000 I've never seen Larry Ashbrook, Buford Furrow, the woman cutting the toddler's arms off in Fort Worth, the woman drowning the five kids in the bathtub.

02:13:00.000 I mean, I've never seen one where they're not on this stuff.

02:13:05.000 The Muhammad guy, the shootings.

02:13:09.000 Right, and so, therefore, that leads them to one of their other goals, which is gun control.

02:13:14.000 And then it turns out, in 1983, in their own internal trials, they had all this suppressed.

02:13:19.000 They knew it radically increased suicide, because it's like acid, folks.

02:13:23.000 When you're having a good trip, everything's fine, but then you have the bad trip, and it takes the inhibition away, and you're in a dreamlike state, and mommy has a bad dream and starts cutting the kids up.

02:13:34.000 Okay, and so what happens to that, see it's a progression.

02:13:37.000 You have the one, the thimerosal, then the ADD, then the shooting the kids, and the cutting the kids up, or whatever.

02:13:43.000 So now, who might be a problem to that?

02:13:45.000 Well, the problem might be your older folks who have the sense.

02:13:50.000 They've read Orwell's 1984 and Alice in Wonderland.

02:13:53.000 So what do we do about the old folks? 1.00

02:13:55.000 What you do is, you give them a flu vaccine.

02:13:59.000 And what happens there is, this is Dr. Hugh Feudenberg, he's like the premier person in neuroimmunology in the country.

02:14:07.000 And what he found is, in his research, is that for people between 60 and 65 who receive the flu vaccine, say three or four times during the five year period, They become 10 times more likely to get Alzheimer's, and they can't remember.

02:14:22.000 So it's getting rid of, so we don't have to pay these pensions out.

02:14:25.000 Now let me stop people right there, because Dr. Cuddy, if you type this in Google, you'll find AP on this.

02:14:30.000 They announced for a year they took thimerosal out.

02:14:33.000 Right.

02:14:34.000 But, in three of the vaccines that they try to make mandatory, that they really push, they increased it To 250 times safe levels per injection.

02:14:45.000 And the flu shot, again I have AP, has the same 250 times, so they radically increased the Marisol in the flu shots.

02:14:55.000 And can lead to Alzheimer's, which means the old folks who could be a problem for the Paralete, now they can't really think or remember too well. 0.95

02:15:05.000 On two separate occasions, and we're going to go to calls here in a second, on two separate occasions in the last couple of years, they announced there's a shortage, there really isn't a shortage, and they announced, oh, we did have what we needed to create the artificial scarcity, so lines of people show up, but this year it backfired, record levels of people didn't go get it, and everybody I've talked to is getting wise, Dr. Cuddy.

02:15:27.000 Yeah, they are.

02:15:28.000 They're wise to the oil shortage, too, of the 70s, and how that plays out.

02:15:36.000 Before the time's running down here, did you want me to read that Bernays quote?

02:15:40.000 Yeah, read us the father of advertising.

02:15:42.000 Yeah, among many things he said was, quote, this is 1928, those who manipulate the organized habits and opinions of the masses constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of the country.

02:15:54.000 It remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business and our social conduct or ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons.

02:16:04.000 It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who harness all social forces and strive new ways to bind and guide the world.

02:16:11.000 As civilizations become more complex and as the need for invisible governments has been increasingly demonstrated, the technical means have been invented and developed by which opinion may be regimented.

02:16:23.000 Unless you're conscious of the attempt to do it to you, and to face it, you are totally under its control.

02:16:33.000 Yep.

02:16:35.000 And so how do you get to somebody?

02:16:38.000 I've noticed really people who are worth a million bucks think they're the elite because they're at the country club.

02:16:43.000 I find they're some of the biggest defenders of the system.

02:16:47.000 Biggest defenders?

02:16:48.000 Yes, defenders.

02:16:50.000 Yeah, and that's why when people say, well, you know, it's the Masons, it's the Jews, it's the Catholics or whatever, I say, you know, you're missing the point.

02:16:58.000 This is a, like you were saying, a multi-headed Hydra, and in the end, of course, biblically, there's an Antichrist, but before then, you've got a lot of egos out there that need to be stroked, and so these people are given the idea that they're going to be big shots, however, just like what the SS did to the SA is going to happen to them.

02:17:15.000 They'll wipe out some of their main supporters when the end comes.

02:17:18.000 Because these are people that understand the structure and can form power bases that can threaten the monopoly of power.

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02:21:57.000 Alright, let's go to the calls here.

02:21:59.000 Let's go to Georgia and talk to Bobby.

02:22:03.000 Bobby, go ahead.

02:22:04.000 You're on the air.

02:22:05.000 Thanks for holding.

02:22:05.000 Hello.

02:22:07.000 Yes, sir.

02:22:11.000 These phones today, I tell ya.

02:22:13.000 He just picked up his cordless phone and hung it up.

02:22:15.000 That's nice.

02:22:17.000 Ron in New York.

02:22:18.000 You're on the air.

02:22:18.000 Go ahead, Ron.

02:22:19.000 Hello, Alex.

02:22:20.000 Hello, Dr. Cuddy.

02:22:22.000 It's very interesting that you're talking about this topic because just this past Sunday in the New York Times, there was an article in there about how soldiers returning from Iraq are going to undergo even more intensive and inquisitive That's my point.

02:22:36.000 questionnaires several months after they come back.

02:22:39.000 And hundreds of thousands of troops who were in Vietnam go to try to buy a gun and didn't know that somebody put something in a file in 1969.

02:22:47.000 That's my point.

02:22:48.000 Yeah.

02:22:49.000 They're trying to disqualify these people from being able to exercise civil rights.

02:22:53.000 If they can't get us into the criminal justice system, they'll get us into the psychiatric system, or they'll get us into the welfare system.

02:23:00.000 It's about institutionalizing all of society.

02:23:03.000 That is the neo-feudal global state.

02:23:05.000 Dr. Cuddy comments.

02:23:06.000 Feudal state.

02:23:09.000 Yeah, it's all for your own good.

02:23:12.000 Two quick points.

02:23:13.000 C.S.

02:23:14.000 Lewis said, of all tyrannies, the tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive.

02:23:19.000 And the reason I mention that is if you heard George Bush, the current president's State of the Union message, he said, we have lit a fire in the minds of men. 0.94

02:23:28.000 Just like I doubt his daddy could have been ignorant when he used New World Order, had been ignorant of H.G.

02:23:34.000 Wells' New World Order book about the world government.

02:23:38.000 George W., somebody has to have known that that really came from Dostoevsky's book, The Possessed, which was later published as The Devils, in which he's talking about you may have somebody with great, he seems to have great motives, but he really, under these seemingly great motives, is the most, as he said, monstrous of villainies and horrors that filthiest that could ever be perpetrated on the people.

02:24:01.000 So why would he choose a term like that, given that it comes from Dostoevsky like that?

02:24:07.000 That term wasn't pulled out of thin air in a vacuum.

02:24:10.000 It wasn't made up at the moment, obviously not.

02:24:14.000 These guys have a lot of history to work with.

02:24:16.000 You talked about controlled opposition.

02:24:17.000 Lenin talked about controlled opposition.

02:24:19.000 I think he referred to them as the trusts.

02:24:21.000 In other words, set up the opposition to you so you control the opposition to you.

02:24:25.000 So they're standing on the shoulder of giant monsters that came before them, be it the communists, be it the Nazis.

02:24:32.000 They know what they're doing.

02:24:33.000 But understand, their forebearers are the same big banks and the same European U.S.

02:24:38.000 elite that funded all those other creatures that you call giant monsters.

02:24:42.000 They were just wind-up toys.

02:24:44.000 Absolutely, that's correct.

02:24:46.000 That's true.

02:24:47.000 Another thing you mentioned, too, is the utilization of drugs to help control people.

02:24:51.000 Alright?

02:24:52.000 I say to you, I'll take the principle and go further with it.

02:24:55.000 Rather than wait for you to be born and try to drug you 10 or 20 years into your lifetime, I suggest that they're using pharmacology, whether it is illegal street drugs or legal pharmacology, to corrupt the protoplasm seed of life in your parents, so when you're conceived, you're conceived in your... I've got to let you go, Ron.

02:25:15.000 I want to put a final caller in here.

02:25:18.000 Actually, the British have openly talked about pre-screening all embryos and deciding, oh, this child will have aggressive traits.

02:25:25.000 You can't have a child, Dr. Cuddy.

02:25:29.000 Let's talk to our last caller, Fred in Pennsylvania.

02:25:32.000 Go ahead, Fred.

02:25:33.000 Hi, Alex.

02:25:34.000 Hello.

02:25:35.000 Dr. Cuddy, what is your doctorate in?

02:25:39.000 American History, minor in Political Science.

02:25:42.000 Okay.

02:25:43.000 I wanted to ask you briefly, the book Unholy Babylon, I had heard about it from a friend of mine on a show yesterday.

02:25:50.000 Is that from 1982?

02:25:52.000 Or 92?

02:25:52.000 Is that from 1982 or '92 or when?

02:25:56.000 I'm not sure that date.

02:25:58.000 Have you heard of the book?

02:26:01.000 I've heard of it.

02:26:02.000 I'm not sure of the date.

02:26:03.000 Okay.

02:26:04.000 Well, I thought that it had been one of those early books that seemed to pull together all these... There were books written 150 years ago about this New World Order.

02:26:14.000 Yeah.

02:26:18.000 Well, is there a room for divergence of opinion on what is happening?

02:26:25.000 Because in my particular I feel that sometimes you can have two trends going on that are opposite at the same time in history.

02:26:38.000 What do you think about that particular inclusion?

02:26:40.000 Okay, thanks for the call.

02:26:41.000 He's saying is there some other major movement that rivals the globalist paradigm in size?

02:26:48.000 Yeah, there can be, but the problem is we don't know that the synthesizers aren't doing that as part of their process, forcing us into a synthesis.

02:26:59.000 It's like Blumenfeld said in the early 60s, if the communist threat were greatly abated, the West would lose whatever incentive it has for world government.

02:27:07.000 So it may be that this alternate track is trying to force us into a synthesis.

02:27:12.000 Exactly.

02:27:13.000 Dr. Cuddy, always great to have you on with us.

02:27:17.000 You're a real gentleman and God bless you, my friend.

02:27:20.000 You too.

02:27:20.000 Take care.

02:27:21.000 Dr. Dennis Cuddy loves freedom, loves this country.

02:27:25.000 We appreciate him joining us.

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02:33:34.000 All right.

02:33:35.000 We, again, have an amazing individual on.

02:33:38.000 He's Jude Wyninski.

02:33:39.000 And, again, advisor Ronald Reagan, associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, political economist.

02:33:47.000 And a lot of conservatives.

02:33:50.000 You know, we've had generals.

02:33:51.000 We've had admirals.

02:33:52.000 We've had the former judge advocate general of the Navy on about how torture is wrong and the neocons are out of control.

02:33:58.000 And they're getting our troops killed.

02:34:00.000 And the Army told them 400,000 troops or it's going to be a Vietnam.

02:34:05.000 And this staged election and these obvious puppet installments aren't fooling anybody.

02:34:11.000 Maybe they're fooling some people, but it's not fooling those who are really looking at it.

02:34:17.000 The media focuses in on people like Gorbachev.

02:34:19.000 Oh, look at that communist liberal.

02:34:21.000 He says it's fake, so it must not be fake.

02:34:24.000 Again, but the media doesn't focus in on people like Jude Wineski and others that are criticizing a lot of this.

02:34:30.000 Mr. Wineski, good to have you on with us, sir.

02:34:32.000 Thank you, Alex.

02:34:33.000 Thanks for having me on.

02:34:34.000 You bet.

02:34:35.000 Anything for people that don't know who you are that I didn't cover?

02:34:39.000 Well, you mentioned before we went on, I wrote a book called The Way the World Works.

02:34:45.000 And it's really the foundation of the Reaganomics and supply-side economics.

02:34:49.000 And I developed all that when I was at the Wall Street Journal.

02:34:53.000 And I was very proud in the year 2000, the editors of the National Review named it one of the 100 most influential books of the 20th century, the way the world works.

02:35:02.000 Of course, I have to point out that I came in 94th, somewhat behind the joy of cooking.

02:35:09.000 Well, now, and your website is Wanninsky.com.

02:35:12.000 Wanninsky.com, and I have a daily commentary, and I've been writing about Iraq a lot lately, and you can register, and it's all for free.

02:35:21.000 Okay, let's start here with... You talk about your friends, the neocons.

02:35:27.000 I mean, you know these guys intimately.

02:35:29.000 Who are they?

02:35:30.000 Why are you opposing some of their policies?

02:35:33.000 Well, Richard Perle is kind of the ringleader of the neocons.

02:35:38.000 A neocon simply means that you used to be a liberal and now you're a conservative.

02:35:43.000 You're a new conservative.

02:35:44.000 And I was a liberal Democrat for most of my life.

02:35:48.000 I'm 68 years old now.

02:35:52.000 I met Pearl back in 1969 when he was 25 years old and working for Scoop Jackson, the senator from the state of Washington, and George Will, who we all know is now on ABC, and the late Bob Bartley, who was the editor of the Wall Street Journal, and we were all Cold Warriors, and we were united in a very hard line against communism,

02:36:21.000 in Moscow and in Beijing and fought the Cold War together.

02:36:25.000 And we were proud at being successful in fighting that Cold War without having a nuclear exchange.

02:36:34.000 But when the Cold War ended in roughly early 1990s, when the Soviets decided that they had enough of communism, the Russians invited me to Moscow To try and help them turn their communist system into a market economy.

02:36:53.000 And I was glad to do that for free.

02:36:55.000 And I made several trips pro bono.

02:36:58.000 Because I've never taken any money from a politician or a government in all my years at Polyconomics.

02:37:04.000 But I broke, I had to break with my old friends because they said, we didn't beat these guys enough. 0.98

02:37:11.000 We have to smash them into the ground. 0.98

02:37:13.000 And we want to feed them bad economic advice, shock therapy, so that they will fall apart. 0.99

02:37:19.000 And I said, well, you know, as far as I'm concerned, when they come out with their hands up and they say we give up.

02:37:25.000 And we're prepared to be capitalists, and we're prepared to be baptized into the church.

02:37:31.000 That's enough for me, but it wasn't enough.

02:37:33.000 But the truth is, they wanted those few oligarchs in so that big global corporations could work with them a little bit easier.

02:37:41.000 Well, you see, warriors have to be able to fight wars, and otherwise they're useless.

02:37:46.000 So this is really what's behind Eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex.

02:37:51.000 And that's what the neocons are.

02:37:53.000 I mean, Dick Cheney, I've known Dick Cheney since he was in his early 30s.

02:37:57.000 I've known Don Rumsfeld when he was a congressman from Illinois.

02:38:02.000 These are all people I... Paul Wolfowitz, who's a deputy at the Pentagon.

02:38:08.000 They're all people I've known all these years.

02:38:10.000 Bill Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard.

02:38:13.000 I mean, we were buddies.

02:38:15.000 We partied together.

02:38:16.000 Well, I want to go over this, though, because the Washington Post, CNN, big papers in Canada, one headline, what, in the National Mail, the ghost of Trotsky walks the halls of the White House.

02:38:30.000 You say they're these anti-communists, but didn't the neocons become, you know, founded by Crystal's daddy, you know, out-quote of the failure of the Trotskyites?

02:38:40.000 Well, yeah, this is Irving Kristol.

02:38:41.000 He was my mentor.

02:38:43.000 I mean, I called him.

02:38:44.000 I coined the phrase Don Corleone.

02:38:49.000 He's still kicking.

02:38:50.000 He's now well into his 80s.

02:38:53.000 And I think Irving himself, Bill Kristol's dad, he's not a neocon in the sense that he really supported all this war.

02:39:03.000 Probably standing back and saying, look, I'm too old to be involved.

02:39:07.000 So when did he supposedly switch out of the Fourth International to being this conservative?

02:39:13.000 Well, this happened after, at the time, at the time of Alger Hiss and Whitaker Chambers, when you had all kinds of people in the late 1940s who had been thinking in terms of Some form of communism is being acceptable.

02:39:32.000 Trotskyism being what they kicked around when they were at CCNY, the old city college in New York. 0.97

02:39:41.000 This is how they came together.

02:39:43.000 And it was in the late 40s that they began to worry that this is not the way they wanted things to develop in the USSR and gradually shifted out of uh... communism and socialism and then moved into capitalism.

02:40:02.000 I remember there was a time when uh... when uh... Irving Kristol uh... you know came over, came as far as to say write a book called Two Cheers for Capitalism and then became a complete capitalist.

02:40:13.000 Yeah, two cheers passage.

02:40:16.000 I went with him for a good part of that.

02:40:18.000 Two cheers for crony capitalism, command and control.

02:40:22.000 See, I go way past all these Well, there is certainly a lot of corporate capitalism out there.

02:40:27.000 I look at it, is it a command and control government?

02:40:31.000 I mean, some of these big corporations are not free market.

02:40:33.000 They want a big government that can simply control the population and control markets.

02:40:39.000 And I don't see a lot of these Trotskyites that supposedly became conservatives as real conservatives.

02:40:44.000 Well, there is certainly a lot of corporate capitalism out there.

02:40:48.000 Have you read this new book about the confessions of economic hitman?

02:40:53.000 Yes, we've had him on.

02:40:54.000 You've had him on?

02:40:55.000 Yeah, well he's in the ballpark.

02:40:57.000 There's a lot of stuff in the book that I don't quite agree with, but there is big money in the United States.

02:41:04.000 There is an establishment on Wall Street and they find it in their interest to have crises around the world that they can That they can deal with through the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank and make money in the process.

02:41:21.000 We're talking to Jude Wanninski of Wanninski.com.

02:41:24.000 W-A-N-N-I-S-K-I.com or just go to Infowars.com.

02:41:28.000 You can link directly through to his website.

02:41:31.000 He was associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, a political economist, advisor to Ronald Reagan, one of the architects of supply-side economics, a real icon in that movement.

02:41:42.000 And look, Shifting gears here, we have the neocons who, with the PNAC documents, wanting to invade 63 countries.

02:41:55.000 They've invaded two of them.

02:41:56.000 They're already beginning to attack Syria with these Saudis into the country of 20 miles, strafing and bombing troops. 1.00

02:42:06.000 They've got special forces in Iran right now snooping about.

02:42:12.000 Tony Blakely's calling for arresting Cy Hirsch for reporting on it.

02:42:16.000 Michael Savage is talking about arresting anybody that criticizes the government.

02:42:20.000 I mean, these guys are like out of control.

02:42:22.000 I'd call them fascists more than I'd call them Trotskyites or conservatives.

02:42:26.000 I would agree with that.

02:42:30.000 Well, I think they are... Pat Buchanan is a good friend of mine.

02:42:36.000 I talk to him all the time.

02:42:37.000 I've known him from the early Nixon years.

02:42:39.000 You know, he said they've passed their peak, the neocons, and that they've gotten so bloodied in Iraq that they're losing power.

02:42:50.000 And one of the signs, the sure signs, that they're losing influence is the departure of the number three man at the Pentagon, Douglas Fyfe, who's just resigned.

02:43:00.000 And at the State Department, Although I've written that I think Condoleezza Rice is really incompetent to be Secretary of State. 1.00

02:43:10.000 She's competent to do a lot of things because she's very bright, but she has shown no skills in the diplomatic world.

02:43:17.000 But she has brought in with her, as her deputy, Robert Zoellick, who is the U.S.

02:43:22.000 Trade Representative, and a man I much admire for his diplomatic skills, and that I think Let me digress for just a second.

02:43:31.000 The combination of these factors make me a little bit more hopeful that the Bush administration is going to be pointed in a less aggressive direction.

02:43:40.000 Let me digress for a second.

02:43:42.000 Why have we seen such an exodus?

02:43:45.000 That it was just people going to cash in on the private sector while they've still got power for four years with their connections.

02:43:52.000 But then Karl Rove told U.S.

02:43:55.000 News & World Report that no, they weren't energetic enough, were kicking all these people out, plus they were lightning rods, were putting in a new batch.

02:44:02.000 What do you think the truth is?

02:44:04.000 Well, a lot of the people that are leaving are exhausted and they wound up having to Uh, go along with the party line in the first administration on a lot of things that they didn't approve of, and they're gone.

02:44:23.000 So there's a shake-up, there's a...

02:44:25.000 A new team there, and I wish there were... Yeah, but you say they may be lessening.

02:44:30.000 I mean, his speech at his coronation last week, or a week and a half ago when he was on the 20th, I mean, Bush was up there literally talking about a crusade against evil.

02:44:44.000 I know, but he's been backtracking ever since because of the way... You know, that's... President Bush, you know, was chosen by the neocons when he was governor of Texas.

02:44:55.000 In fact, they picked him to be the candidate.

02:44:59.000 In fact, the neocons picked George W. Bush when he was governor.

02:45:04.000 Wasn't it George Shultz that vetted him?

02:45:05.000 Well, George Shultz, he's part of the gang, and George Shultz is the one who introduced Condoleezza Rice into the National Security Council in the first Bush administration, to Brent Scowcroft, and then brought her back when President Bush, when Governor Bush, they said, hey look, we want you to run for President, and he essentially told them that he didn't know anything about foreign policy.

02:45:32.000 knew how to manage the Texas Rangers, a baseball team, but that's as far as it went.

02:45:37.000 And they said, well, we're going to fix you up with the smartest people around.

02:45:41.000 And what they did was they sent him Condoleezza Rice, and she came down to Crawford, and she was there for a week or so, and then she said, Mr. President, you should meet a man I think who's very bright, and she brought Paul Wolfowitz down to Crawford, and their pictures were in the paper, and then a week later, uh... here's a picture of richard pearl And then George Shultz came!

02:46:03.000 Well, and George Shultz was in there, he's a member of the Defense Policy Board, sits right next to Richard Perle, in planning all these maneuvers, and of course, Don Rumsfeld, Don Rumsfeld introduced Rumsfeld to the neocons back when he was in the Ford administration and he's never been his own man.

02:46:29.000 In other words, It's been Pearl and Wolfowitz who have been doing the strategic thinking behind the Pentagon.

02:46:36.000 And Rumsfeld has been one of their agents.

02:46:38.000 Mr. Winensky, so is it a real split when Brent Scowcroft and George Herbert Walker kind of send out signals about not being too keen on the war before the war?

02:46:49.000 Oh, absolutely it was.

02:46:50.000 I was thinking in the last days before we went to war that because of the positions that were being taken by Scowcroft and Bush 41, and also Saddam Hussein and Baghdad essentially saying to us and to the Security Council, look, you can come anywhere you want and as long as you want, and look under my bed, and you're not going to find you can come anywhere you want and as long as you want, and look under It was Bill Clinton who pulled the inspectors out.

02:47:20.000 They never kicked him out.

02:47:22.000 And then notice we heard it was all weapons of mass destruction.

02:47:24.000 Now the war was never about that.

02:47:26.000 Rumsfeld says that's an urban legend.

02:47:28.000 He never said it on Face the Nation.

02:47:30.000 No, it was about bringing democracy.

02:47:34.000 Well, you know, they've run out of all the other excuses, so now they're down to democracy.

02:47:38.000 And of course the elections that we've had, everybody has tears in their eyes about how wonderful it is that all these people stood in line and braved the insurgents.

02:47:47.000 But nothing really has changed.

02:47:50.000 The insurgents don't really care about the turnout, whether it's a big one or a small one.

02:47:55.000 They are there.

02:47:56.000 The insurgency is directed at the United States, which has, as far as they're concerned, over the last 15 years, You know, killed a million and a half Iraqis with the sanctions and with the war, and they want us out of there.

02:48:12.000 And they're not going to stand for any kind of government that has been shaped and managed by people like Hillary.

02:48:19.000 By the way, that's roughly 1 out of 20 Iraqis is dead.

02:48:25.000 Amazing.

02:48:26.000 Jude Winensky, please stay with us, sir.

02:48:28.000 I've got a bunch of other questions for you.

02:48:30.000 I want to talk about what you think is going to happen in Iraq.

02:48:33.000 Where do you think this is all going in the next year, the next two years, the next five years?

02:48:37.000 What's your projection for the future?

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02:51:39.000 I always seem to have more interesting conversations with our guests during the breaks when I'm talking to them.

02:52:00.000 I was talking to Jude Winensky, who of course is a world-renowned political economist and former associate editor for the Wall Street Journal, also a top economic advisor and economic architect for Ronald Reagan during his first term of his presidency and advising during also a top economic advisor and economic architect for Ronald Reagan during his first Uh...

02:52:21.000 Mr. Wyninski continuing, during the break we were talking about what the neocons want, this world empire.

02:52:26.000 But here domestically they're butchering the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

02:52:30.000 Alberto Gonzalez is claiming that President Bush is above the law.

02:52:33.000 They are dismantling the Constitution wholesale.

02:52:37.000 So they promised to spread freedom worldwide.

02:52:40.000 Well, how about spreading some here at home?

02:52:44.000 Well, when you have an objective as large as the one that they have and they believe that right is on their side and this is the way to go, You can't, as they say, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

02:53:01.000 So, whatever you have to do, you do!

02:53:04.000 And you make excuses for it, and if you have to trample on the Constitution, Turn it inside out in order to approve the use of torture, the breaking of international conventions.

02:53:14.000 You find ways to do that, too.

02:53:16.000 But doesn't it, Mr. Winensky, seem like they're getting delusional?

02:53:20.000 I saw a quote in the New York Times by a top White House official saying, hey, you guys go ahead and write about our contradictions.

02:53:26.000 We are the empire.

02:53:28.000 We actually set reality, and we'll change reality day to day.

02:53:31.000 I mean, it's getting Twilight Zone.

02:53:33.000 Well, it is, and people say, are you saying there's a conspiracy?

02:53:37.000 And I say, of course there's a conspiracy, and they advertise it.

02:53:40.000 It's a public conspiracy.

02:53:42.000 They're saying, here's what we're going to do, and we're going to do it for the good of the world.

02:53:45.000 Now let me backtrack a little bit, and remember we were talking in the earlier segment about how I was one of these folks, and that when the Cold War ended, one of the arguments that I was making is that, yes, we are an empire.

02:54:01.000 We are now at the top of the whole political pyramid, of the power pyramid, of the planet Earth.

02:54:07.000 There's nobody else that... So we have a responsibility to manage the world.

02:54:12.000 Managing, not policing it.

02:54:14.000 And the management of it means that we have to consult with all the members of the family of nations, with all of the people in NATO and at the UN Security Council, before we go to war with anyone.

02:54:27.000 And I was opposed With my argument that in terms of peacetime, when you're at peace, you put diplomacy first, because it's less expensive, and you don't really want to have wars all the time.

02:54:43.000 And their argument was exactly the opposite. 0.98

02:54:45.000 They say, we have to have an American empire, but we're going to kick ass. 0.98

02:54:49.000 I want to be clear though. 0.97

02:54:52.000 We the American people aren't part of this empire.

02:54:54.000 There's this supposed reflected glory of people going, yeah, we are an empire now.

02:54:59.000 I'm powerful.

02:55:00.000 No.

02:55:00.000 In this empire, we're going to be slaves.

02:55:03.000 Well, that's true, and the problem we had in the last election is that I broke with the Republican Party.

02:55:11.000 I'd been a Republican voter going back to Rick Nixon in 1968, and I voted for John Kerry, not holding my nose because he was a very good candidate, but I had But cast a vote against these warriors, because I don't like where they're taking us.

02:55:28.000 And this is why Bush only won by a small amount of votes.

02:55:33.000 But you're a smart guy.

02:55:35.000 You know, Kerry was like, we need to increase the troops.

02:55:37.000 We need to... Iran! 1.00

02:55:38.000 Iran's evil! 1.00

02:55:39.000 Let's get them! 0.99

02:55:40.000 And I thought I was listening to George Bush on steroids. 0.97

02:55:44.000 He's terrible.

02:55:46.000 But what are we going to do for the next four years?

02:55:49.000 And all I can say is that from One day to the next, I'm doing everything I can to encourage those forces inside the Bush Administration and inside the Republican Party to move in more moderate directions.

02:56:06.000 And I'm believing that that will happen, that we're not going to have, they're not going to go into Iran. 0.94

02:56:13.000 There's a lot of bluster about it.

02:56:15.000 You know, Cy Hirsch did the whole world a favor by his article in the New Yorker where he pointed out all the plans that we have.

02:56:23.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

02:56:24.000 We've got a break.

02:56:25.000 We're going to start the second hour.

02:56:26.000 I want to get your predictions on what's going to happen in Iraq and take some calls.

02:56:31.000 Thanks for joining us.

Alex Jones Show - February 02, 2005

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