Alex Jones Show - 20050216_Wed_Alex

00:00:04.000 Big Brother.

00:00:05.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:07.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:08.000 You want answers?

00:00:09.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:16.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:20.000 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. ladies and gentlemen. - Mm-hmm.

00:00:40.000 It's already the eighth day of February 2005 and we're going to be live for the next three hours.

00:00:52.000 We've got two big guests coming up today.

00:00:55.000 One to talk about the continuity of government or the congressional doomsday plan that was passed a few weeks ago.

00:01:00.000 And another who is a transhumanist, a top professor and scientist, Talking about how humanity is going to be merging with machines.

00:01:11.000 So that is coming up in the second hour of the broadcast.

00:01:14.000 Tons of vital news and information as usual.

00:01:19.000 Error of big government is back under Bush.

00:01:24.000 A new era of big government.

00:01:27.000 A record budget.

00:01:29.000 But then you read all the other headlines, it's big, deep cuts.

00:01:34.000 Let me see, we had a 1.7 trillion dollar federal budget a year under Bill Clinton and now we're going to have a 2.5 or 2.6 trillion dollar budget for 2006.

00:01:51.000 How is that cuts?

00:01:54.000 And I heard neocons all over talk radio yesterday saying this is a conservative budget and really cuts the government And the evil liberals out there don't want to cut the government.

00:02:07.000 You talk about Orwellian spin.

00:02:11.000 Yes, they do cut a few federal programs while ballooning all the others.

00:02:14.000 And we mean classical FDR or Lyndon Baines Johnson style government.

00:02:22.000 Doubled the size of the Department of Education and now they even expand on that in the last four years.

00:02:30.000 Radically expanded health and human services.

00:02:33.000 Radically expanded abortion funding by 85%.

00:02:37.000 Oh yes!

00:02:38.000 But again, the average conservative has no idea and thinks everything's fine.

00:02:42.000 They think 2.6 trillion dollar budget is smaller than 1.7 trillion.

00:02:52.000 And you're not going to argue with them.

00:02:54.000 You're not going to convince them otherwise.

00:02:56.000 A very small portion of this is military spending.

00:03:02.000 If they do have an inkling that government's getting bigger, well, Al Qaeda it is! 0.96

00:03:07.000 This is the FUD Al Qaeda. 0.95

00:03:09.000 Bush proposes steep cuts in the budget, but huge expansions of other areas of the budget, and to be technical, some reports say 2.5 5 trillion, others say 2.6 trillion.

00:03:29.000 The actual amount, as it stands now, is normally much more once they actually pass it all, is 2.57 trillion.

00:03:39.000 And I was taught to round up, so we'll say 2.6 trillion.

00:03:43.000 Or you can round down 2.5 trillion.

00:03:45.000 What's a hundred billion here or there?

00:03:50.000 Also, some bad news for those that like drafting people that have already served.

00:03:56.000 Judge rejects stop-lawsuit versus the Army.

00:04:04.000 And as usual, it's kind of a double-think ruling by the judge, U.S.

00:04:09.000 District Judge Roy C. Lamberth, for the District of Columbia, said the enlistment contract does not notify those who sign up, but the government could extend their terms of service.

00:04:19.000 While acknowledging minimal harm to the Army, if ordered to release the officer, Lamberth said similar claims could lead to substantial disruption and diversion of military resources.

00:04:33.000 The judge came out and said, yeah, they lied to you, but, hmm, kind of gave a middle-of-the-road ruling, but it's better than nothing, I guess.

00:04:41.000 Golly, scientists get human cloning license.

00:04:45.000 That's out of the Associated Press.

00:04:49.000 And boy, did I get demonized by popular mechanics.

00:04:55.000 We'll be right back.

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00:08:04.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

00:08:06.000 A handful of congressmen could rule America in the event of a catastrophe.

00:08:19.000 No longer do Capitol Hill legislators need a quorum to do the people's business.

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00:08:42.000 5 paves the way for tyranny, allowing only a few to decide for so many.

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00:08:53.000 Then, until there appear in the House a significant number of representatives to constitute a quorum among the whole number of the House, a quorum in the House shall be determined based upon the provincial and provisional number of the House.

00:09:11.000 The provisional number of the House, as for the close of the call of the House, shall be the number of representatives We're responding to the call of the House, so I guess just whoever shows up.

00:09:24.000 Supporters claim the bill, passed under the cover of Congressional darkness, is intended to allow the government to continue operating in the event of a catastrophic emergency or terrorist attack.

00:09:33.000 However, Constitutional experts say the law is blatantly unconstitutional and ripe for challenge.

00:09:40.000 Normally, 218 lawmakers out of the 435 members are needed to declare war, pass laws, ...and validly conduct the people's business.

00:09:49.000 But under the new rule, a majority is no longer needed when circumstances arise, including natural disaster, attack, and terrorist attacks, rendering representatives incapable of attending House proceedings.

00:10:04.000 It's another measure brought up by lawmakers that shows their callous disregard for democracy, said one California attorney who preferred to remain anonymous.

00:10:15.000 GOP House leaders pushed the controversial Doomsday legislation, as it was dubbed, through for passage as part of a hefty and voluminous rules package that drew little attention And it was probably not even discovered by many who voted on it since the rules package centered on recent ethics violations.

00:10:37.000 And we talked about this last year.

00:10:39.000 We talked about the commission that was pushing this.

00:10:44.000 And we have a very special surprise guest joining us in about 22 minutes to talk about this.

00:10:53.000 Believe me, you do not want to miss it.

00:10:56.000 We'll get the other side's view on this.

00:10:59.000 We've been doing that a lot lately here on the broadcast, bringing you the insiders.

00:11:06.000 But I do want to spend some time today on this.

00:11:09.000 Era of Big Government is back under Bush.

00:11:11.000 A 2.6 trillion, to be technical, 2.57 trillion dollar budget for 06.

00:11:19.000 It is fully 900 billion dollars bigger than Bill Clinton's biggest budget.

00:11:33.000 But it's being hailed as a cut in government.

00:11:36.000 I'm not kidding.

00:11:36.000 I'm sure you've seen the newspapers.

00:11:38.000 I was at the convenience store early this morning.

00:11:42.000 They've got four or five papers they carry.

00:11:43.000 They all have the same basic headline.

00:11:45.000 Massive cuts announced by Bush.

00:11:47.000 Huge cuts announced by Bush.

00:11:49.000 New budget has big cuts.

00:11:51.000 The average person?

00:11:52.000 Why?

00:11:53.000 Bush is cutting government.

00:11:55.000 And that's just folks reading the newspaper.

00:11:57.000 If you were to tune in to the neocon lords of disinformation and big government and open borders and gun control yesterday, I heard them yesterday and this morning.

00:12:10.000 Why, look at Bush!

00:12:11.000 Big cuts!

00:12:12.000 And yeah, he's cutting a few things like farm subsidies and they've been cutting VA benefits and doing things like that, though they're now increasing the death benefit for troops.

00:12:21.000 While rolling into that bill, a legislation that gives the vaccine makers total liability protection across the board, but that's a side issue.

00:12:30.000 If you were to hear these shows or read the newspaper, you'd think there were big cuts.

00:12:34.000 No!

00:12:35.000 I have to commend the LA Times.

00:12:36.000 Their headline, Error of Big Government, is back under Bush.

00:12:42.000 And then, here's another headline, an AP headline, that's indicative of the disinformation.

00:12:47.000 Bush proposes steep cuts As part of his 2.57 trillion budget.

00:12:54.000 Now, that's a double thing.

00:12:57.000 He proposes big cuts and they give the amount of the total budget.

00:13:02.000 It's just amazing.

00:13:03.000 So now you can argue with people that think they're conservative, who are really socialist and didn't know it.

00:13:09.000 You can argue with them all day long.

00:13:11.000 They'll tell you the government's smaller and I say just move on to people that have brains in their heads.

00:13:19.000 And again, they'll also say, well, this is for the military.

00:13:22.000 Actually, military spending is only up about $150 billion a year.

00:13:27.000 150 billion a year and over the next four years that is a large part of the total budget increases but it's not even half of it.

00:13:43.000 What is it, about 40%?

00:13:46.000 The rest... Oh, by the way, the way these budgets always work is that they're always at least 20% bigger by the time they actually pass all the spending authorization.

00:13:59.000 Because pork always gets attached and pork barreled on us. 0.90

00:14:03.000 And so I think we're going to be looking, many experts agree, at a three trillion dollar year in 2006 fiscal year.

00:14:14.000 So three trillion dollar budget.

00:14:18.000 Because Bill Clinton would pass a 1.7 and then they'd end up spending 1.9 And Bush has been getting 2.2 trillion dollar budgets passed.

00:14:29.000 Radically expanding government.

00:14:30.000 It was, what, 2.6?

00:14:31.000 So this is 2.6.

00:14:34.000 Who knows how big?

00:14:35.000 It could push past 3 trillion.

00:14:39.000 And I got an interesting email the other day.

00:14:41.000 Somebody asked, well, Alex, if the military budget is only general military budget, then you have all these supplemental 80 billion dollar packages they've been passing twice a year.

00:14:51.000 If the Military budget is $450 billion.

00:15:00.000 Then how can there be missing from the Pentagon, in the last two years, $1.2 trillion?

00:15:07.000 And in the eight years before that, nine years, excuse me, $1.2 trillion.

00:15:13.000 Now a grand total, in the last, um, eleven years, Of 2.4 trillion.

00:15:24.000 So in the last two years, it's accelerated geometrically, or exponentially.

00:15:30.000 It's doubled.

00:15:31.000 Doubled the looting and stealing of Bill Clinton in the first two years of Lord Bush.

00:15:35.000 So, if the budget's only 450 billion, And with all the supplements before that, a little over $500 billion, and then again with the Iraq War the last two years, over that, where's the money coming from?

00:15:52.000 Well, it's simple.

00:15:53.000 They've slashed veterans' benefits, the government had built up its own accounts, had bought its own stock, the Pentagon had its own CAFR, Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, Every time I say that, I get an email from somebody in South Africa going, that's a racist slang.

00:16:12.000 No, it's the name of the comprehensive annual financial reports, okay, that counties and cities and school districts and water districts have and the feds have and different federal departments have and state governments have.

00:16:25.000 I mean, New York back in 96 had a 1.4 trillion dollar surplus, okay?

00:16:32.000 I mean in cream assets, after expenditures.

00:16:35.000 Give you an idea.

00:16:36.000 So the Pentagon had built up all these huge slush funds, and what they've been doing in the last 11 years is dumping, in fact it was first the Pentagon in 1952 that started setting up comprehensive annual financial reports, or the CAFR reports.

00:16:56.000 And so they've started sucking those dry.

00:17:00.000 And look, don't believe me, just type 2.4 trillion missing from Pentagon, and you'll get CBS News. 0.85

00:17:08.000 And I talk a lot about this because I just can't get over it.

00:17:12.000 I mean, I've been talking for years, for two years, since I saw the 1.2 trillion in the Associated Press, which they admitted in the press conference was missing, and we don't know where it is.

00:17:23.000 And then now, a couple years later, Rumsfeld gives a press conference and it makes it in CBS News and one other news wire, but that's it?

00:17:31.000 And then the average person has no idea?

00:17:33.000 2.4 trillion?

00:17:35.000 Trillion!

00:17:37.000 That's almost as big as the entire federal budget for 2006.

00:17:47.000 That's as big as this year's budget was.

00:17:50.000 Gone!

00:17:52.000 And half of it in the last two years.

00:17:55.000 I mean, you wonder why the government's so corrupt.

00:17:58.000 Why they're militarizing the police while they're building all these prisons. 0.95

00:18:00.000 Because they're a bunch of crooks and they know we're getting wise to them. 1.00

00:18:04.000 You know what, crook? 0.99

00:18:06.000 When he's robbing you, he puts you in handcuffs. 0.99

00:18:08.000 Or ties you down.

00:18:10.000 They don't want us getting in the way, folks, because they're not going to stop here.

00:18:13.000 They want your pension funds.

00:18:15.000 They're already grabbing a lot of those.

00:18:16.000 They want to loot more companies.

00:18:18.000 They're coming out with all these new forms of taxation.

00:18:23.000 The state of Texas is about to come out with a business tax, which is really a sales tax.

00:18:28.000 Some new taxing district was announced a few years ago in Austin.

00:18:33.000 Just some new district where they show up for a property tax.

00:18:37.000 It's a new property tax, because they can't get a quote, state income tax is basically what it is.

00:18:46.000 It's just, bureaucrats just show up at your office, start demanding money.

00:18:50.000 I mean, it's just crazy!

00:18:53.000 Just where I live.

00:18:54.000 They're going to have toll roads on almost every major street.

00:18:58.000 $1,800 a year for the first year starting.

00:19:01.000 This is happening all over the country.

00:19:03.000 It's just a nightmare of corruption.

00:19:08.000 State funded universities are now saying there's no cap on tuition.

00:19:13.000 $25,000 a year isn't enough.

00:19:15.000 Then you look at the University of Texas and it's got hundreds Of millions of dollars of assets and a 25 billion dollar pure cream slush fund.

00:19:25.000 That was years ago when I checked it.

00:19:27.000 I'm told it's grown.

00:19:28.000 Not just where I live!

00:19:30.000 Just mass looting, mass greed, total corruption.

00:19:38.000 And everybody I know has lost their job and the news is telling us how great the economy is.

00:19:43.000 And I've talked to people all over the country.

00:19:49.000 Commercial real estate's plunging.

00:19:51.000 People are losing their businesses.

00:19:53.000 Meanwhile, we've got a 2.6 trillion dollar budget.

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00:24:43.000 And we've got conservatives, people that think they're conservative, running around, giggling and laughing, going, praise the Lord, George Bush is in office.

00:24:52.000 He's slashing the government.

00:24:53.000 No, he's not!

00:24:55.000 2.6 trill's bigger than 1.7 trill! 0.98

00:24:58.000 2.4 trillion missing from the Pentagon is not conservative!

00:25:05.000 It's so larcenous, so big, And you're like, well Bill Clinton was part of it too, that's right!

00:25:12.000 And George Bush protected Bill Clinton and blocked Dan Burton's committee that was trying to go after him.

00:25:18.000 I'd love to see Bill Clinton in prison!

00:25:20.000 I actually want to see these criminals brought to justice!

00:25:24.000 I actually don't like Bill Clinton!

00:25:27.000 I'm angry that he's been protected!

00:25:30.000 I don't sit there sucking my thumb listening to neocons while they tell us how great Arnold Schwarzenegger is!

00:25:38.000 You know, while we got the National Talk Show host calling for Arnold for President, we got Jon Bon Jovi calling for Arnold for President.

00:25:49.000 Somebody who campaigned for Clinton and Gore and Kerry and everybody else.

00:25:54.000 Folks, it's just sick.

00:25:56.000 I mean, it really is sick.

00:26:00.000 Later in the broadcast, we've got two guests coming up.

00:26:02.000 I do want to just talk some about this popular mechanic's attacks, it's 9-1-1 lies.

00:26:07.000 It built a straw man in the words of Jim Hoffman, who did a great job.

00:26:13.000 They built a straw man.

00:26:17.000 And once they got it set up, they asked all these fake false questions, then they tore it apart.

00:26:27.000 And they attacked me, I mean, Literally, these were like 20-year-old kids, and I know 20-year-olds that are smarter than I am, but these, these different writers I was talking to, and I talked to the editor, and then I said, look, every time I, they want to talk about bombs in the buildings, and when I say, okay, here's an AP article where they told the reporter, the reporters, get back, we're going to pull the building, and here's Larry Silverstein saying we pulled the building, and gave the order to bring it down, and watched it come down, and here's folks that

00:26:56.000 You know, here's Giuliani saying they were told to get out of the building.

00:26:58.000 Oh, no, we're not going to talk about that.

00:26:59.000 We want to know how you knew there were bombs in there.

00:27:03.000 And then they go, well, we found an article here on your website where you say you interviewed two of the seismologists.

00:27:10.000 And we called them and you didn't interview them.

00:27:12.000 And I went, what do you mean?

00:27:13.000 I went and pulled up the article.

00:27:14.000 I go, this is an American Free Press article we posted.

00:27:17.000 It says American Free Press.

00:27:19.000 It says the name of the writer.

00:27:21.000 And it says he interviewed them.

00:27:23.000 Now, did you call them and ask if he interviewed them?

00:27:25.000 They're like, no.

00:27:27.000 Well, are you?

00:27:28.000 And I called their editor up and I said, you listen here and you listen good.

00:27:31.000 Don't you build... I even used this term.

00:27:34.000 Hoffman's pretty smart.

00:27:35.000 I called their editor up and I said, you don't build strongman arguments.

00:27:40.000 That is a fake argument you can defeat.

00:27:43.000 You better watch yourself.

00:27:44.000 You've got a highly respected publication and if you try to falsify things I've said that I didn't say and try to smear me, you're going to have a problem.

00:27:53.000 And I've got to decide what to do about this right now.

00:27:55.000 I mean, it's bad, folks.

00:27:59.000 And I told the Redditor, man, I had like a 20-minute discussion with him, and he was like, oh, yes, sure, we're going to double-check everything.

00:28:04.000 Oh, yes, I do see the point you've made about, I mean, imagine, it'd be like if I carried an Associated Press article, like I do every day on my website, and then to disprove what the AP reporter had said, they call up the person the AP reporter interviewed and said, Did Alex Jones interview you?

00:28:24.000 Well, no, Alex Jones didn't interview me.

00:28:25.000 Well, thank you!

00:28:27.000 Oh, Alex says he interviewed these people, but he didn't.

00:28:31.000 There's probably 50 new articles posted every day on each of my websites, and 49 times out of 50, I didn't write it.

00:28:39.000 And it'll say where it came from, who wrote it.

00:28:41.000 You've just got to love these people.

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00:32:56.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.

00:33:19.000 I'm Alex Jones, your host.

00:33:21.000 The website's InfoWars.com, PrisonPlanet.tv, fighting the police state, exposing the phony left and right, and our new big, gigantic $2.6 trillion federal budget, and the good old $2.4 trillion missing from the Pentagon.

00:33:38.000 That's what we've been talking about today, but I tell you, I am really honored to have our guest on with us.

00:33:43.000 He's Dr. John C. Fortier.

00:33:45.000 And he is the Executive Director of the Continuity of Government Commission, who we've been talking about now for about six months.

00:33:53.000 And the Commission is an American Enterprise Institute and Brookings Institution project headquartered at AEI.

00:33:59.000 It is funded by the Carnegie and Hewlett Packard and MacArthur Foundations.

00:34:04.000 Presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford and the Honorary Co-Chairs of the Commission, and Lloyd Cutler and Alan Simpson are the Chairman.

00:34:13.000 And our Guest has a bio that's encyclopedic, and I'm not even going to attempt to try to cover it all, but Fortier researches politics, the presidency, continuity of government, elections, the Electoral College, election reform, presidential succession, and disability.

00:34:31.000 He is Executive Director of the Continuity of Government Commission.

00:34:34.000 Hey, we could probably bring up to him the fact that the Pope's real sick, and they're saying may resign.

00:34:39.000 That's another issue, but it's kind of continuity of government.

00:34:43.000 That's coming up later, too, folks.

00:34:45.000 But right now, he joins us.

00:34:47.000 Now, what they propose, the amendment to the Constitution, is not to be confused with what was called the Doomsday Plan.

00:34:55.000 Something right out of Dr. Strangelove that they passed back on January 5th.

00:35:02.000 And just reading one more little paragraph here.

00:35:04.000 A handful of congressmen could rule America in an event of catastrophe.

00:35:08.000 No longer do Capitol Hill legislators need a quorum to do the people's business.

00:35:12.000 Now under a piece of hotly contested legislation passed without media attention on January 5th and a congressional blackout, only a few members of Congress are needed to do official business in the event of a catastrophe instead of the usual 218.

00:35:27.000 Now it's basically any number, and this is very scary.

00:35:29.000 And I was talking to Mr. Fortier, who is Executive Director of the Cognitive Government Commission, and during the break, and he agreed with me, he said, this is not good.

00:35:39.000 Thank you for joining us, sir.

00:35:40.000 Great, thank you for having me.

00:35:41.000 I'm glad we don't have to talk about the Pope's suggestion.

00:35:43.000 That's another layer of difficulty that I don't think I could rise to.

00:35:47.000 I was just, well, I mean, it made me think you're an expert on succession, and so I figured you might have a comment on it, but boy, that's going to be a circus.

00:35:55.000 But tell us just a little bit about yourself and then let's launch into why your commission was formed and what you think of this legislation that passed a month ago.

00:36:05.000 Well, I'm a political scientist here at the American Enterprise Institute and I do a lot of work on institutions with Presidency and Congress and really the commission came about because of 9-11.

00:36:15.000 I'm thinking, my colleague Norm Ornstein started it and others followed on of what would have happened had that fourth plane come and hit the Capitol.

00:36:24.000 We know now from the 9-11 Commission that it was the target of the plane that they'd also considered the White House.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, that or the White House.

00:36:32.000 Additional tragedy certainly, but not only tragedy, loss of human life symbolic.

00:36:37.000 Uh, tragedy, but possibly, uh, trying to take out our leaders, decapitate our government, make us, uh, vulnerable at a time where we needed real leadership.

00:36:46.000 And if you, certainly we would hope the President would stand in a, in a...

00:36:50.000 In an emergency, but we have all sorts of questions about presidential succession, if Congress were knocked out for a period of time.

00:36:56.000 But couldn't he ride in on a white horse and save us if a rice sack was burned?

00:37:01.000 Look, none of us would want that situation where the president was simply in charge and there was no Congress to check him.

00:37:09.000 And you might have a case of a president somewhere down the line of succession, the Secretary of Agriculture acting as president that no one knows with no check.

00:37:16.000 So ideally we'd like to Our commission is aimed at getting constitutional government back in place as quickly as possible after a catastrophic attack on Congress.

00:37:25.000 That was our first report and we are actually working on it.

00:37:28.000 Well, I have to be honest with you, Mr. Fortier, I have to be honest with you.

00:37:32.000 I thought your plan was scary, but compared, I guess this is the dialectic, compared to what they passed a month and three days ago, it's a real gem constitutionally.

00:37:43.000 Right, well, I think, you may not like our plan, but we were up front Constitutionally, we think that you actually need to amend the Constitution, not sort of get around it and interpret things loosely, but we think that you need some sort of temporary people.

00:37:58.000 Quickly appointed in the House of Representatives, like we appoint Senators, to be in place.

00:38:02.000 All 435 districts would have a Representative quickly, until we can get the elections going, which are going to take time, especially after an election.

00:38:09.000 Kind of like the 17th Amendment.

00:38:11.000 It is like that for the House.

00:38:12.000 It wouldn't be in normal circumstances.

00:38:14.000 Why not be like Paul McGonagall, stroke of the pen, law of the land, kind of cool?

00:38:18.000 I mean, our new Attorney General says Bush is above the law.

00:38:21.000 He is the law.

00:38:22.000 He is the sovereign.

00:38:23.000 Well, the alternative to that in Congress really is to either do nothing or to do something very small around the edges.

00:38:29.000 Some people have proposed trying to get the elections speeded up in the states, but there's a real problem, especially with the case where lots of people are incapacitated.

00:38:37.000 Well, in a nutshell, tell us what your plan was.

00:38:39.000 Our plan is, if lots of members of Congress are killed or incapacitated, we would allow some sort of appointments, probably by a governor, but there's some other methods.

00:38:48.000 That would get somebody in there quickly from each district in Congress and so we could have a full membership and we could meet a quorum requirement.

00:38:56.000 A quorum is a majority and then we could have the Congress and the President dealing with our problems with national security.

00:39:02.000 So the regional governors would appoint members to the Imperial Council and then at a later date we would have elections at the state level?

00:39:10.000 The elections are going to go forward but realistically they're going to take three or four months to undertake.

00:39:16.000 In that time period, we did a lot of things after September 11th, and we might find ourselves wanting to have, again, representation from all throughout the country in the body that represents the people the most right after an attack.

00:39:27.000 Our goal is to get those people in place quickly.

00:39:31.000 It could be done by other methods.

00:39:32.000 The governor doesn't have to do it.

00:39:33.000 There's some suggestions that the members themselves could provide a list of successors.

00:39:37.000 Some people think that's a good idea or not.

00:39:39.000 As long as it's a legitimate way of getting people in who are reasonable.

00:39:44.000 How were you going to get this amendment?

00:39:45.000 I mean, were you going to just try to go for the full amendment or maybe have a con-con so we could slip Arnie in while we're at it?

00:39:53.000 Well, no, we were hopefully going through the regular amendment process through Congress.

00:40:00.000 Got some support in the Senate.

00:40:01.000 Actually, in your state, John Cornyn is a big supporter of this sort of approach, Senator Cornyn.

00:40:05.000 And we have supporters in the House as well, although the issue has been somewhat politicized in the House.

00:40:10.000 There are people who worry that we shouldn't have someone appointed to the House, ever.

00:40:16.000 Now, that's interesting.

00:40:17.000 In this other rules package, They passed this on January 5th, a separate plan that's even more draconian. 0.74

00:40:26.000 I mean, it makes your plan look wonderful, and this sucker's passed.

00:40:30.000 Can we talk about that plan while you have problems with it?

00:40:32.000 Absolutely.

00:40:33.000 I mean, we believe that we want a Congress after an attack, but we don't think any old Congress will do that five members or twenty members Uh, it's a good idea with most of the country, you know, left out and unrepresented.

00:40:44.000 You can pick your least favorite.

00:40:45.000 I've got the bill here, it just says whoever can show up.

00:40:48.000 Right.

00:40:49.000 The Constitution says that the House and the Senate must have a majority of its members in order to conduct business.

00:40:55.000 That was to prevent...

00:40:57.000 You know, a small group from running off and saying, we're the Congress, we're doing this, that, and the other thing.

00:41:01.000 I'm in control now from here, as Alexander Hegg said.

00:41:04.000 Exactly, and you can imagine after an attack with the chaos that would ensue, that one would want to be very careful about those things.

00:41:11.000 Well, you know, I think that's a conspiracy theory, doctor, sir.

00:41:15.000 I mean, powerful men don't want more power in history, let's just trust them.

00:41:20.000 Well, we would like to have whatever institutional provisions in place beforehand so that we wouldn't necessarily have to go to that.

00:41:35.000 We could have something like a normal checks and balances constitutional system.

00:41:39.000 We don't think a House of Representatives with Well, it sounds like a dictatorship to me.

00:41:43.000 I mean, you're talking about five people could go in there and do whatever they want, and even for natural disasters?

00:41:49.000 requirement we have in the Constitution is a good idea after an election.

00:41:52.000 Well, it sounds like a dictatorship to me.

00:41:54.000 I mean, you're talking about five people could go in there and do whatever they want, and even for natural disasters.

00:42:01.000 I mean, this thing is so expansive.

00:42:02.000 I mean, they declare an emergency every year to get around the Constitution and get around budgetary controls, as you know well, I'm sure, sir.

00:42:11.000 Right.

00:42:12.000 One of the most worrisome things about this is that the House has to work with others to do many things.

00:42:17.000 But one thing it can do by itself, and that's if we really are talking about some sort of attack on us that happened in the State of the Union or something, where everyone is together and the President and Vice President are killed and many members of Congress The Speaker of the House is next in a line of succession.

00:42:31.000 And in fact, the law is written so that a new Speaker of the House could come bump out the Cabinet member who takes over as President.

00:42:38.000 So, those five people left in Congress, your least five favorite people out there, come together.

00:42:44.000 They have a quorum of three, they vote someone to be their new speaker, and that person becomes President of the United States for the next four years.

00:42:50.000 So it's a troubling thing that the Congress would try to operate with just a few people, but it's especially troubling if you're really talking about the disaster that affects presidential succession as well.

00:42:59.000 Well, we know that political intrigue and assassination has been part of human history, but today we're told it doesn't exist.

00:43:07.000 In America, but I think Congress is doing something that's dangerous to themselves in this climate, passing this.

00:43:15.000 I mean, it's just asking.

00:43:17.000 I know you wouldn't think anyone in the government would go after other members of Congress, but I think it's setting up a recipe for even bigger problems.

00:43:25.000 Yeah, we are concerned about this.

00:43:27.000 Oh, you are concerned about this?

00:43:27.000 We really do.

00:43:29.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:43:31.000 We're against this proposal that has been put forward.

00:43:34.000 We think that... Well, it passed!

00:43:36.000 Yes, it has passed the House Rules.

00:43:38.000 It is now part of the House Rules for the 109th Congress.

00:43:41.000 So how does that operate and link up with the Senate?

00:43:45.000 Say again?

00:43:46.000 So the House is saying, we don't even care if the...

00:43:49.000 We don't even care what the Senate does. 0.95

00:43:50.000 We've just passed our own rules.

00:43:52.000 The House and Senate do have their own rules for their own internal deliberations, but this actually affects something larger.

00:43:59.000 It affects other institutions.

00:44:00.000 It's a constitutional provision that says that the House has a majority quorum.

00:44:06.000 I'm looking at the bill.

00:44:07.000 It just says here, let me find it, it says whoever can Get there, I'll find the actual sentence.

00:44:13.000 Right, what they're worried about is that in the past they've sort of tried to whittle away saying, well it's whoever's alive, half of whoever's alive, which we think is not really consistent with the Constitution.

00:44:22.000 Now they've gone a step further saying, whoever's alive and who's ever able to show up, we'll just say that that group, that's the whole Congress, a majority of them constitute a quorum and we can go ahead no matter how small a group it is.

00:44:34.000 This sounds like the final years of the Roman Empire.

00:44:38.000 Well, I don't want to attribute too many bad motives to the people who have proposed this, but I do think it is somewhat in reaction to what we've said.

00:44:46.000 They've tried very hard to bend over backwards to find some way to keep Congress going.

00:44:51.000 But, you know, our point is we want to have Congress quickly in place, we want to have the House quickly in place, but we want to have a full membership of the House.

00:44:58.000 We want to have each district... Well, explain to me, though, in the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was passed, what, the night before Christmas?

00:45:07.000 Uh, went all through the House, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

00:45:12.000 Uh, and, and, you know, we, we had, what, three Senators, uh, pass it into the rules for the Federal Reserve Act.

00:45:19.000 Uh, I mean, so they've already been doing stuff like this before with the lawmaking.

00:45:23.000 So, what, what does this change?

00:45:26.000 Well, I mean, I don't know all the details of the case you just put forward about three Senators, but certainly there have been, over the years, occasions where they've been one or two short on a quorum and they've kind of played fast and loose, I think, with some of the precedents and the rules to say, well, let's just push this through.

00:45:42.000 A majority of members living or other things.

00:45:44.000 This is just a step further.

00:45:46.000 And this is done with eyes open.

00:45:49.000 With, I suppose, a good intent of trying to keep Congress going no matter what.

00:45:54.000 With eyes wide shut!

00:45:57.000 Well, I think it's a mistaken proposal.

00:46:01.000 A mistaken part of the rules, as you say.

00:46:03.000 It's not part of the rules.

00:46:06.000 I may not persuade you that our proposal is the way to go, but it is a real question of what would happen to Congress and the President if we're talking about many of our leaders being killed and incapacitated.

00:46:17.000 And our belief is the Senate pretty much can take care of itself, with some exceptions.

00:46:24.000 The House is going to face real problems because it has only one way of filling those vacancies by having elections.

00:46:31.000 And that ultimately we need to get people in place quickly, have those elections, and get back to normal.

00:46:36.000 Well, what about repealing this?

00:46:38.000 I mean, last year they passed a law giving liability protection to vaccine makers.

00:46:42.000 When people learned of that, it got reversed.

00:46:44.000 I mean, how do we stop this pell-mell, wild, over-the-edge dash by the executive, the legislative, Even by the judicial.

00:46:53.000 Now, just everybody saying we are the final arbiter of the law.

00:46:58.000 We are the law.

00:46:59.000 It flows from us.

00:47:00.000 Not from the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights.

00:47:04.000 I mean, we've got all these White House officials saying Bush is above the law.

00:47:07.000 We've got Congress saying we are the law.

00:47:10.000 We can have two people, three people here and make it a quorum and do whatever we want and appoint whoever we want president.

00:47:16.000 I mean, it's really across the board, just completely alien to the basic canons and foundations and pillars of our society.

00:47:27.000 Well, the way to repeal this is, it's a rule of the house, and the house just simply needs a majority of their members to change the rule.

00:47:35.000 So they can just pass a rule in the house saying they're God tomorrow?

00:47:39.000 Well, they can, and ultimately it may be challenged in court, but I think they feel confident that this... We hope it never comes to the position where this would be challenged in court.

00:47:47.000 That would mean that there's been some horrible attack on Congress.

00:47:51.000 Well, I know you've talked to a lot of people in Congress.

00:47:55.000 How many of them were aware of this because it was tucked into a rules package centering on recent ethics violations?

00:48:04.000 Well, there were some voices raised against it in the debate, but most of the attention was on the ethics matters, as you mentioned, and not just general things that come up with the new Congress, the way that new committees are set up and the ratio of things that people care about on a day-to-day basis or a next-week basis.

00:48:22.000 This is, unfortunately, thought of, I think, by some as so remote that they don't want to think about it.

00:48:27.000 Or, I mentioned also that the House of Representatives has really become divided on this in a partisan way, oddly enough.

00:48:33.000 It's not a partisan issue, but people believing that because we could never have, they don't want anyone in the House of Representatives who's never been elected, but trying to find some other way, other than what we propose to have appointments, to allow Congress to continue.

00:48:48.000 This is the way this has come about.

00:48:50.000 So, Doctor, finally in the final equation, the House really has more power than the Senate, The House of Representatives, because through the Speaker, you have the line to the Presidency, and so it doesn't matter what rules the Senate makes, the House has basically seized the claim to the Presidential Crown by doing this.

00:49:15.000 Well, the Speaker of the House is above the President pro tem of the Senate.

00:49:19.000 So it's a Vice President, Vice President, Speaker.

00:49:21.000 And if we have a case where The President and Vice President are killed and many members of Congress, and some Cabinet member becomes President.

00:49:29.000 So what is the Senate saying about this?

00:49:31.000 Well, the Senate has its own rules.

00:49:34.000 The Senate is protected in much of these disaster scenarios by the 17th Amendment because governors may make appointments to fill vacancies after they happen.

00:49:44.000 So you see a Senator leaving or dying, and quickly there's a replacement.

00:49:49.000 So the Senate gets to nearly 100 people within a week and the house is sitting around without without anyone They are either trying to operate on these rules.

00:49:56.000 But it sounds to me though like the house can seize total dictatorial control and rewrite the whole form of government under this plan before the Senate is even able to reconvene.

00:50:08.000 Well if the house continues in this case A few members are there.

00:50:12.000 They elect a Speaker quickly.

00:50:13.000 That person is entitled to become President of the United States under the current law, if there's no President or Vice President, because they've been killed.

00:50:21.000 And then under the claims of these executive orders, and now Gonzales' memos, then they're in control.

00:50:28.000 And you can imagine, with really not much of a Congress to check the President, or to even speak up, that there's a sort of greater problem than even our typical operating system.

00:50:38.000 Well, we're talking to the Executive Director of the Continental Government Commission, a subset of the American Enterprise Institute, Dr. John C. Portier.

00:50:48.000 Doctor, can you stay with us about five more minutes?

00:50:50.000 Absolutely.

00:50:51.000 Alright, we'll be right back after this quick break.

00:50:53.000 We'll try to talk about some solutions to this constitutional crisis.

00:50:59.000 Hey folks, Alex Jones here.

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00:54:11.000 The difference between the plan that the American Enterprise Institute had that would take a constitutional amendment and the difference between the plan that they just passed Is night and day.

00:54:21.000 Will you condense that during the break for me?

00:54:24.000 Will you do that again?

00:54:25.000 Sure.

00:54:26.000 The plan we propose, we know is a high hurdle.

00:54:28.000 We're proposing a constitutional amendment.

00:54:30.000 But we're being honest about it.

00:54:31.000 We're saying we think we need this change.

00:54:34.000 We need people to be appointed to the House of Representatives after a major disaster.

00:54:39.000 They could be appointed by the governors or some other way of the states.

00:54:43.000 That would be a change in the Constitution, and we would be proposing it.

00:54:46.000 And that would retain power at the states, though?

00:54:48.000 Yes, it would either allow the governors or the members themselves.

00:54:51.000 This new law is a radical centralization in Washington.

00:54:54.000 Well, this proposal, this new rules change is done, we think, around the Constitution, trying to say, well, it's not really a majority of people we need in a quorum.

00:55:03.000 We don't need at least 218 people here in the House.

00:55:06.000 find some circumstances where maybe it would be okay to say five people or ten people are the House of Representatives.

00:55:12.000 And that has some real bad implications after an attack when we're looking for normal constitutional leadership.

00:55:19.000 So how do we turn this around?

00:55:20.000 Well, it means going to the House of Representatives, going to your representative.

00:55:24.000 It doesn't involve the Senate or the President at all.

00:55:26.000 This is simply an internal rule in the House.

00:55:28.000 So getting your members to speak to their leaders and get rid of that rule that's been passed, it takes just a majority.

00:55:37.000 Okay.

00:55:38.000 I want to take a call.

00:55:41.000 Todd in Florida, you're on the air with a good doctor.

00:55:44.000 Go ahead.

00:55:44.000 Yes, Dr. Fortier, I'm wondering what industry do you consider yourself to be in?

00:55:50.000 Ah I'm a political scientist, so I work for a think tank.

00:55:54.000 I think what he wants to know is are you CFR or Trilateral Commission?

00:55:59.000 No, I don't belong to either of those organizations.

00:56:02.000 As I say, I work for the American Enterprise Institute.

00:56:05.000 This is a joint project with the Brookings Institution and has a bipartisan group of people on the commission.

00:56:12.000 No, I think you're in sales and you're very good at what you do, but would you ever want to admit that you're in sales?

00:56:21.000 uh...

00:56:21.000 i could probably make a lot more money at the end but i uh...

00:56:23.000 i thought that they'll look what i mean just a thought here to be fair you know i have problems with the previous plan compared to what they just passed i mean did you hear what's what they just passed out But it's a Yellian.

00:56:40.000 It's, well, you know, it's good cop, bad cop.

00:56:42.000 No, I understand.

00:56:43.000 They've got one plan that isn't very good.

00:56:45.000 They've got one that's totally horrible.

00:56:46.000 But I'm saying, it's not a dialectic now of, you know, the two false choices, because they just passed the bad choice.

00:56:52.000 No, but the AEI is in sales.

00:56:54.000 I mean, they're not selling anything good.

00:56:55.000 They're selling dehumanization and they're ultimately selling the Alaska to Argentina thing.

00:57:02.000 But Mr. Forte also... Yeah, that's another subject.

00:57:04.000 The whole Pan-American Union of American States.

00:57:07.000 Yeah, you think that's a good idea, Doctor?

00:57:09.000 I actually don't venture into foreign policy and Latin American policy that much.

00:57:15.000 We are a big place with some diversity of opinion here.

00:57:17.000 Yes, and they've got particular experts over different areas, Todd.

00:57:21.000 No, it's many tentacles.

00:57:23.000 Mr. Fortier, you also serve as the project manager for the transition...

00:57:27.000 Governing Project?

00:57:28.000 I do, although that is a completed project now, but yes.

00:57:32.000 Project has published two books and one of them, when I read it, when I read the title, it was kind of scary.

00:57:38.000 It was called The Permanent Campaign and Its Future.

00:57:42.000 Could you tell a little bit about really the crux of that book, I guess?

00:57:47.000 Basically, it's a series of essays by political scientists worried that we spend all of our time campaigning now.

00:57:54.000 We haven't left a lot of room for governing.

00:57:55.000 That the campaign cycles are longer, that people are often looking to... Yeah, all it is is lobbying and campaigning.

00:58:03.000 Well, it affects lots of different areas.

00:58:05.000 It affects Congress, the presidency, the media, and so it's a series of essays looking... We've only got about 30 seconds left.

00:58:10.000 What's your problem with this book, Todd?

00:58:12.000 Well, the title of that one, because permanent campaign seems to imply kind of a let's never really have much of a change.

00:58:20.000 Well, I think he's addressing it.

00:58:21.000 I mean, have you read the book?

00:58:23.000 No, I'm looking at the title.

00:58:24.000 I have another question about the other book, Preparing to be President, the Memos of Richard E. Neustadt.

00:58:29.000 Who is that and what's he about?

00:58:30.000 Okay, listen, we're out of time.

00:58:31.000 I appreciate the call, Todd.

00:58:33.000 We'll have to have Dr. Fortier back on.

00:58:35.000 Doc, thanks a lot for coming on.

00:58:36.000 It was very enlightening.

00:58:38.000 I appreciate it.

00:58:38.000 Thank you.

00:58:39.000 And the website is continuityofgovernment.org.

00:58:42.000 Continuityofgovernment.org.

00:58:43.000 Thanks for coming on.

00:58:44.000 Great.

00:58:45.000 Thank you.

00:58:45.000 We'll be back with another guest.

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00:58:47.000 Hello?

00:58:49.000 Our terror...

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00:59:08.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:15.000 Well, well, well, in the last hour, we talked to the Executive Director of the Continental Government Commission, part of the American Enterprise Institute, funded by the Carnegie, Hewlett-Packard and MacArthur Foundations.

00:59:29.000 President Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford are the co-chairs of it, but we have the Executive Director on, telling us how horrible the basic martial law plan is, and that, well, we could have somebody in the government go in and take out members of Congress for martial law.

00:59:43.000 I mean, I brought that up and he said, oh yeah, that's a real problem.

00:59:46.000 I mean, even when we've got establishment people again telling you this is a problem, their plan was to have an amendment, which I think was dangerous enough to have the states appoint members to Congress if they were incapacitated or killed, and they couldn't get a quorum of 218.

01:00:02.000 The new law that was passed by Congress that no one was even aware of, we talked about it here on the broadcast before it passed, but it was nowhere in the news, This baby passed a month ago, a month and three days ago, is basically total martial law.

01:00:17.000 Three members of Congress can... Others just aren't even there.

01:00:22.000 It's just as if they aren't there, they can pass whatever they want.

01:00:25.000 So we talked about that.

01:00:27.000 Coming up, we're going to get into the merger of man and machine with one of the top scientists in the world on this subject.

01:00:33.000 Right now, let's talk to Troy in Washington.

01:00:35.000 Troy, you're on the air.

01:00:36.000 Go ahead.

01:00:38.000 Yeah, you mentioned the Federal Reserve Act, and earlier you mentioned about the $2.4 trillion missing, I think it was?

01:00:46.000 Yes.

01:00:47.000 What would happen if, and I know your word is the abolishment of the Federal Reserve, what would happen if we just said, you know what, we don't want a private entity Control of a monetary system anymore, and the U.S.

01:01:01.000 government... Well, the government would just take control of it, and then remonetize the debt.

01:01:04.000 There's a whole formula to do it.

01:01:06.000 Ron Paul's done bills on it.

01:01:07.000 I've had talk by economists on.

01:01:09.000 There's a way to do it, and the debt is fraudulent.

01:01:13.000 It's designed to implode.

01:01:15.000 It's designed to get us into financial servitude, and there are procedures that have been introduced as bills to get out of this.

01:01:25.000 But they won't do it?

01:01:26.000 Yeah, and the system's designed to fail.

01:01:29.000 Amazing.

01:01:30.000 Well, that's all I wanted to know, because I was thinking, well, I wonder if they tried to abolish the Federal Reserve, if that would have an effect on, you know, just our national debt.

01:01:40.000 If they were to switch over powers.

01:01:42.000 There's a lot we could do.

01:01:44.000 The problem is that the globalists don't want that, because it doesn't give them control.

01:01:48.000 Thanks for the call, Troy.

01:01:50.000 Who's up next here?

01:01:54.000 Richard in Texas.

01:01:55.000 Go ahead, Richard.

01:01:57.000 How you doing, Alex?

01:01:57.000 Good, sir.

01:01:59.000 I just had a question about Nassara.

01:02:02.000 It's not real.

01:02:03.000 Not real?

01:02:04.000 Not real.

01:02:05.000 Okay, how about HR 418 Section 102?

01:02:10.000 I'm curious if you're familiar with the Strategic Service Branch.

01:02:14.000 Well, I mean, you're not even... You just gave me some numbers.

01:02:17.000 Numbers to what?

01:02:19.000 It's a bill concerning...

01:02:22.000 Is it S or HR?

01:02:22.000 strategic service branch they're trying to set up.

01:02:25.000 - Is it S or HR?

01:02:27.000 - Yeah, HR 418. - I'm not familiar with that particular bill The name sounds like it's part of the national, uh, AmeriCorps, SecureCorps, uh, new compulsory national service to get out of high school that's also rolled into things like S-89, uh, which is the National Compulsory Service Act, Universal Service Act, but I don't, I'm not familiar with this particular piece of legislation.

01:02:52.000 Okay.

01:02:53.000 Do you have it in front of you?

01:02:54.000 What does it say?

01:02:55.000 Um, it, it talks about, um, No, I actually don't have it in front of me, but it basically talks about setting up a branch to investigate here in America.

01:03:14.000 Oh, a Stasi group?

01:03:16.000 Yes, that's it.

01:03:17.000 New funding for the T.I.P.S.

01:03:18.000 program.

01:03:18.000 Well, they've already got that under several different programs they broke it up into two years ago when Dick Armey put on that little theater display of getting rid of the tips system.

01:03:30.000 I mean, tips is in, in full force, under, what, three different programs.

01:03:35.000 And so, uh, I guess this new bill you're mentioning may be funding that.

01:03:39.000 I haven't seen it, so I can't comment.

01:03:40.000 Thank you for the call.

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01:07:12.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. - ladies and gentlemen. - Good afternoon.

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01:07:42.000 If you go to InfoWars.com, you can link through to our next guest's website, the World Transhumanist Association for the Ethical Use of Technology to Extend Human Capacities.

01:07:56.000 And we have Dr. James J. Hughes, and he's the Executive Director of the World Transhumanist Association, and he is a PhD.

01:08:05.000 He's the author of Citizen Cyborg, Why Democratic Societies Must Respond to the Redesigned Human of the Future. 0.85

01:08:13.000 Dr. Hughes teaches health policy at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut, and serves as Trinity's Associate Director of International or Institutional Research and Planning.

01:08:23.000 Dr. Hughes also serves as Executive Director of the World Transhumanist Association as its affiliated institute for ethics and emerging technologies.

01:08:31.000 Dr. Hughes produces the weekly syndicated public affairs talk show.

01:08:35.000 And he also, again, is just involved.

01:08:40.000 Basically, I would call him kind of a futurist.

01:08:42.000 And we're now joined by him.

01:08:46.000 Dr. Hughes, good to have you on with us.

01:08:48.000 Hi, Alex.

01:08:50.000 I've got a bunch of different reports here.

01:08:52.000 Here's one out of the Village Voice.

01:08:53.000 Cyborg Liberation Front Inside the Movement for Post-Human Rights.

01:09:01.000 Sounds like something like a legal entity out of a Larry Niven book or something.

01:09:10.000 Well, that article is a report on a conference that we held at Yale University last summer, or the summer before last.

01:09:19.000 And we focused that conference on trying to get a dialogue going between the transhumanist movement and bioethics.

01:09:27.000 Bioethicists, in general, we believe, have some implicit sympathies with our point of view, but weren't aware of it until we held that conference.

01:09:37.000 And what is your point of view?

01:09:39.000 What does your organization that you head do?

01:09:42.000 Well, we have a couple different facets.

01:09:45.000 One is that we're a civil rights movement for people who believe that they should be able to control their own bodies, their own brains, their own reproductive capacities, and use emerging technologies to go beyond what some people consider yucky or the natural limits of the human condition.

01:10:02.000 So, for instance, we are adamant supporters of life extension technology.

01:10:07.000 We think that people have a right to use that, even if other people think that you shouldn't live past 120 or that it's unnatural for you to do that.

01:10:15.000 We're advocates of people's right to take drugs, for instance, cognitive enhancement drugs that make them smarter, or genetic engineering that makes them smarter.

01:10:26.000 We are advocates of people's right to control their own bodies for aesthetic purposes, the simple body modifications that we see around us today and the things that will come in the future.

01:10:36.000 And we believe in people's right to reproductive freedom.

01:10:39.000 We think that you shouldn't be told what kinds of children to have, when, and how to have them.

01:10:46.000 Well, the problem with some of your statements is that there are inherent dangers in genetic engineering of what type of viruses or bacteria they can give rise to, what changing the basic code of the DNA can do.

01:11:02.000 I mean, I've had a lot of different top scientists thought about the subject, even people that support almost unbridled research admit that there are great dangers.

01:11:10.000 Are you saying there shouldn't be restrictions on any of it?

01:11:13.000 Well, we're principally concerned with biotechnologies that affect the human body, and so we do have opinions, personal opinions, You start talking about what type of children people want to have.

01:11:24.000 I mean, the British government's already talking about pre-screening embryos, quote, to see if they're violent or propensity to be evil, thought criminals.

01:11:32.000 I mean, whatever you guys are going to push, the state's going to jump on later.

01:11:37.000 Well, that's one point of view, and the notion that we can somehow prevent the state from eventually getting involved in biotechnology in order by Forbidding individuals from using biotechnology, I think, is a wrong-headed approach.

01:11:51.000 Well, what they're going to do is they're going to keep it all to themselves and use the movements that are against it to monopolize it for the elite.

01:11:57.000 I mean, look, I know the elite's obsessed with life extension technology.

01:12:01.000 They want to hold on to it forever.

01:12:02.000 They don't want to die.

01:12:03.000 In fact, who does?

01:12:05.000 But the point is, is that I don't see the elite ever letting six and a half billion people, and by the time this stuff's viable, eight, nine billion people have access to this.

01:12:13.000 In fact, they've even said that.

01:12:14.000 Well, I think you may be right.

01:12:16.000 I think there is a strong propensity on the part of certain elites, and we certainly see that in the Bush administration, to raise a bunch of bogus fears about the ways that free individuals and free societies might use these technologies.

01:12:30.000 And some of it is, for instance, that they don't want overpopulation to run rampant, as if You know, saving human lives today with medical technology and allowing people today to use birth control isn't already driving population growth around the world.

01:12:45.000 I mean, there is clearly a genocidal or anti-population control mentality on the part of some of the opponents of life extension technology.

01:12:56.000 But when you read an article like, Why the Future Doesn't Need Us by Bill Joy, or you read Age of Spiritual Machines, I'm sure you've read all that.

01:13:04.000 Sure.

01:13:04.000 The elite, and I mean, I've been around pretty high-level academics and people, and all they talk about is, oh, the people bomb!

01:13:13.000 We've got to restrict them!

01:13:14.000 We need access to this, but not them!

01:13:17.000 And I see it all being walled off behind a wall I think there is a possibility that things could go in that direction.

01:13:26.000 I think that's again why we call ourselves the human rights movement.

01:13:30.000 being shut out of the entire process with the elite then using these technologies to actually, to use a Frank Herbert term, kind of engineer and suboid the general population comments. - I think there is a possibility that things could go in that direction.

01:13:45.000 I think that's again why we call ourselves a human rights movement.

01:13:48.000 We want, in the first place, we believe in the legitimacy of institutions like the Food and Drug Administration because we do think that these new technologies should be tested for their safety.

01:13:58.000 But then we also believe that there should be as wide access to these as possible, and we don't think that bans on any of these technologies will stop despotic governments, either our own or other despotic governments, from using these technologies for police purposes, for surveillance purposes, for military purposes.

01:14:15.000 And so the best way to maintain freedom and liberty around the world is for people to have as widespread and as individual access to these technologies as possible.

01:14:26.000 The problem is there's going to be terrorist attacks using these high-tech systems.

01:14:32.000 Of course, it'll be the global crime syndicate engaging in the attacks.

01:14:37.000 To then, excuse me, restricting control.

01:14:41.000 Comments?

01:14:42.000 Well, I don't know why that's necessarily a problem.

01:14:46.000 From our point of view, it is a problem.

01:14:48.000 I mean, there's always going to be crime, and criminals are always going to use new technologies.

01:14:52.000 But we saw that the 9-11 terrorists only had to use box cutters.

01:14:55.000 So, I think that the modern world is a dangerous and fragile place.

01:15:01.000 And one of the best things that we can do as citizens is keep our bodies and our communities strong.

01:15:09.000 And using these technologies, we can do that.

01:15:11.000 For instance, we can either rely on the government to go out there and identify certain kinds of new bioterrorist weapons that might come online, or we can all keep our immune systems as strong as possible and thereby, as a body, public, in other words, be prepared for some of these bioterrorism attacks.

01:15:31.000 better than if we rely on the government.

01:15:34.000 Earlier, I was doing the rare thing of trying to eat a hamburger in between you talking and I was about to choke there, but I'm back, ladies and gentlemen!

01:15:42.000 We're talking to Dr. James J. Hughes, and he's the Executive Director of the World Transhumanist Association, and their website is transhumanism.org.

01:15:54.000 We have a link to it on InfoWars.com.

01:16:00.000 You know, you say men with box cutters carrying out terror attacks.

01:16:04.000 That's a whole other subject for debate, but that's basically an impossibility when you actually look at the evidence, but I'm not going to debate you on that subject.

01:16:15.000 I see puppets like Bush using good Christian conservatives, who I count myself among them, Saying, oh, we've got to block and control all of this to go back to my previous point.

01:16:26.000 So then the elite can basically ban everything except for themselves.

01:16:30.000 Can you comment more on that?

01:16:32.000 Well, I think that there is a point to that.

01:16:35.000 One of the things that we're very concerned about is that if these technologies are forbidden, it won't mean that they won't be available.

01:16:41.000 The people will just have to pay to go to some place like Singapore or Beijing in order to get these genetic engineerings or these nanotechnologies, whatever it is.

01:16:50.000 But that's why they want global government, so they can have global law. 0.99

01:16:54.000 Well, we probably differ on that.

01:16:56.000 I do think there should be global regulation of some of these technologies, but I think it should be regulation that respects people's individual liberty.

01:17:04.000 Okay, well look at the UN.

01:17:05.000 They give awards to China for being the model nation, and they have hardly any freedoms. 0.90

01:17:12.000 Well, I understand your point about that, and I'm also concerned that Some of the regulations that are being proposed at the UN could be drastically conservative.

01:17:20.000 So, for instance, there's right now a disability rights convention that's being debated and some of the radical disability rights folks who are crafting that proposed legislation are arguing that there should be an international ban on women's right to reproductive freedom over fetuses that might, if they want to terminate pregnancies, where they have a disabled fetus or a handicapped fetus.

01:17:43.000 And I think that most people would find that an extremely troubling restriction on women's liberty if... See, there you go! 0.93

01:17:50.000 You're talking about...

01:17:51.000 human engineering by law being authorized, and then see your argument is, well, it's a deformed baby.

01:17:59.000 But see, then it's going to be the government, and I'm against abortion, by the way, then it's going to be the government coming out and saying, oh, you show aggressive tendencies.

01:18:06.000 We're going to have to terminate this embryo, and you're going to have to come back in for testing on your next one. 0.86

01:18:13.000 What I'm talking about is that women have a right to know the contents of their own bodies and to make decisions about whether to continue pregnancies. 1.00

01:18:20.000 And I think that one of the most traumatic reasons why a woman would want to terminate a pregnancy is if she found out it was severely handicapped in some way.

01:18:29.000 And I think women have a right to make that decision. 1.00

01:18:31.000 So we'll just have to agree to disagree a bit about that.

01:18:33.000 Well, I want to talk more about your organization.

01:18:35.000 I want to get your futurist view on what life will be like in 20 years.

01:18:39.000 Sure.

01:18:39.000 When we get back, I appreciate you joining us.

01:18:42.000 And we shall return on the other side of this quick break if I don't choke on the hamburger.

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01:22:59.000 You know, we're told that all these new technologies are, well, just like the buggy whip makers getting angry at automobiles as they became popular in the first just like the buggy whip makers getting angry at automobiles as they became popular in the And that, oh, it's just the next phase of human evolution, this merger with machine.

01:23:24.000 And I've got Pentagon documents from 2000.

01:23:27.000 Where they say everyone's going to have a brain chip and there's going to be hive minds, all of us connected.

01:23:34.000 But all these precursors to this technology that are being put into track and trace and control, that's how all this is being implemented.

01:23:41.000 And Dr. Hughes, I mean, how do you respond to that?

01:23:44.000 The government out of the gates.

01:23:46.000 Is engaging in really bad applications of some of the building blocks of the future you're talking about?

01:23:53.000 Well, I am concerned about some of the Defense Department research and applications.

01:23:57.000 I think the main thing that's problematic about that is that so much is being done without the transparency of public disclosure.

01:24:04.000 We know from the Gulf War syndrome and from other health problems of U.S.

01:24:09.000 soldiers who return from the field That research is being done on their bodies that they're not being fully informed about, and that they're having long-term health consequences.

01:24:18.000 And then it comes out that they were doing experimental programs on them, which is totally illegal!

01:24:23.000 I mean, even if you're in the military, you have the right to not be experimented on, and they don't care!

01:24:28.000 I completely agree, and I think that the U.S.

01:24:31.000 military needs to be held to a higher standard about that kind of medical research, and that we need to know what's going on, because there is a problem about an asymmetry between A public that doesn't have access to these technologies, and a military and police state that does.

01:24:44.000 Well, the military is a perfect testing zone because you give the troops stuff that makes them sick, then they come back to your VA for treatment.

01:24:53.000 And you get to track what's really happening to them.

01:24:55.000 And they're not rodents, folks.

01:24:57.000 And they're not guinea pigs.

01:24:58.000 But I wanted to get into the future that you see developing, because you're one of the world-renowned experts on this subject.

01:25:07.000 What type of world do you think we'll live in in 20 years?

01:25:10.000 Well, one of the things that makes this kind of prediction extremely difficult is the rapid acceleration in all of the technological trends and scientific developments that are leading in the direction of human enhancement.

01:25:22.000 For instance, nanotechnology is happening much more rapidly than most of the people in the field expected it would.

01:25:29.000 And now we do have the prospect, within about 20 or 30 years, of having nanorobotic systems that could do quite dramatic things inside our bodies.

01:25:38.000 Similarly, the sequencing of the human genome happened much more rapidly than had earlier been predicted.

01:25:44.000 And now, within 10 years, we're going to have, on the spot, a full genome diagnosis available in every doctor's office, maybe as a security system on your door.

01:25:55.000 We're also going to have on-the-spot chromosome genetic engineering machines, machines that can read out new chromosomes for various kinds of tailored purposes.

01:26:05.000 That's going to happen in about 10 or 15 years.

01:26:07.000 So you start to converge all of these technologies, things that are happening at the molecular level, things that are happening in information science, the Moore's Law, the rapid increase in computing power, Our understanding of the functioning of the brain, our understanding of pharmacology, all these things are coming together and we're going to have some pretty dramatic benefits.

01:26:26.000 So a fusion of the third and fourth wave with this exponential growth curve, it's almost unlimited.

01:26:35.000 If you take the positive projection of what could happen, I think we could have quite dramatic increases in our life expectancy.

01:26:43.000 We could see an almost elimination of mental illness.

01:26:47.000 We could see an elimination of mental retardation. 1.00

01:26:49.000 We could see... See, there you go!

01:26:51.000 Who says what is mentally ill?

01:26:53.000 I mean, the new Freedom Initiative that Bush just passed, their own documents say they plan to put half the kids on drugs.

01:26:59.000 Look, half our children aren't mentally ill, and these drugs are horrible.

01:27:03.000 I mean, all their own internal documents show that. 0.88

01:27:05.000 So see, I don't want the crazy people telling me who's crazy.

01:27:09.000 Well, I assume as a conservative that you're in favor of allowing parents to make those decisions with their doctors, so... But it's not!

01:27:16.000 Under New Freedom, they... Have you heard about New Freedom?

01:27:19.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:27:20.000 I think there is a strong concern about when governments and schools collide with parents about what should be done about the medical treatment of children, but it's really a different issue than what I'm concerned about, because what I'm principally concerned about is that All adults should have access to whatever medicines they think help them live better lives.

01:27:42.000 I am concerned about pediatric medication.

01:27:44.000 My kids are on Concerta, which is a version of Ritalin.

01:27:47.000 I was on Ritalin as a kid.

01:27:49.000 I found it helped a lot with being able to get through school in ways that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to do.

01:27:55.000 So I think a lot of parents will find that Ritalin helps their kids, but I think it should be a family decision.

01:28:00.000 So maybe, so you think the drug company is writing up the guidelines and saying half the kids need to be on this stuff?

01:28:07.000 Well, what the American... And how do humans survive without Ritalin freeze?

01:28:10.000 Well, I mean... The American Academy of Pediatrics thinks that about 5 to 10 percent of kids could benefit from stimulant medications for Attention Deficit Disorder, and only about a 5 percent... 4 to 5 percent of American kids are on stimulant medications.

01:28:24.000 Actually, well, yeah, but total with the serotonin reuptake inhibitors and then the We're on the march.

01:28:31.000 The empire's on the run.

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01:32:14.000 A professor, an author, and a lecturer.

01:32:17.000 And he's the head honcho, executive director of the World Transhumanist Association.

01:32:21.000 During the break, Doc, you were telling me how you're a big fan of drugs and kind of taking control of the human evolutionary process.

01:32:28.000 And we were talking about the New Freedom Initiative and this universal screening.

01:32:32.000 Please repeat what you were saying during the break, sir.

01:32:35.000 Well, I think that in the future one of the things that we're going to have is increasing numbers of technologies that allow us to control our own brain chemistry.

01:32:42.000 And the critical issue, and the place where you and I am sure agree, is that people should be able to make those decisions for themselves and not be told by others, by governments, insofar as possible, what to do with their own brains and what to do with their own brain chemistry.

01:32:57.000 So in the cases of, for instance, depression, I'm sure you agree that some people benefit from these depressive drugs and the question is whether individuals get to make those decisions or whether they're under some kind of coercion.

01:33:09.000 I certainly don't want to see any kind of coercion, but I'm not sure that I agree that a universal Government Public Health Screening Program for Mental Illness is necessarily coercive, but it could be coercive.

01:33:20.000 It is!

01:33:21.000 I mean, I've seen hundreds of reports where they force children on these drugs.

01:33:26.000 There was a WOAI TV report a few months ago where the average Texas foster child, over two-thirds are on drugs, and the average is four drugs, some as many as 17 drugs.

01:33:41.000 And I know for a fact Ritalin causes brain shrinkage, heart enlargement.

01:33:47.000 I mean, these are the medical studies done by the institutions and you're saying you're a big fan of it.

01:33:53.000 Well, Ritalin's been in use for 50 years.

01:33:55.000 Originally it was called... Yeah, look at our society.

01:33:57.000 Well, originally it was called minimal brain dysfunction that was being treated for and then it was called hyperactivity and as I said, I was on Ritalin 40 years ago.

01:34:06.000 So, there's a whole lot of evidence about what Ritalin can and can't do and what harmful effects it can have.

01:34:13.000 And you're right that the abuse of stimulants by people who are not prescribed them in the doses that are used in pediatric treatment can have harmful effects.

01:34:22.000 And that's something we have to keep an eye on.

01:34:23.000 Well, Doctor, you're a big supporter of drugs, as you said, to take control of the human mind if it's individually a decision.

01:34:31.000 But what drugs are you on?

01:34:34.000 Oh, well, I have acid reflux, so I take that.

01:34:36.000 I mean, what psychoactive drugs am I on?

01:34:39.000 I drink my red wine in the evening.

01:34:40.000 That's my big health effect.

01:34:44.000 Yeah, that's why they live to 115 over in Italy, huh?

01:34:48.000 Right.

01:34:48.000 Yeah, certainly there have been some studies on that.

01:34:51.000 I believe you there.

01:34:53.000 Okay, I want to get into, because I hear these futurists on the radio, I read their reports, I've read what you've said.

01:35:01.000 I mean, I've heard you guys say, well, the body modification movement, you know, that's paving the way to the acceptance of the cyborg, you know, this new life form.

01:35:11.000 People are already declaring themselves, you know, that professor in England, a new life form.

01:35:16.000 We know the military's doing a lot of secret projects, and I've talked to people who are involved in them, only described as nightmarish, but how soon do you think we see a real, as you call it, new species?

01:35:27.000 Well, it depends on what you mean by a species.

01:35:29.000 I mean, the classical definition of a species is an animal that can't breed with another animal.

01:35:35.000 And I think that we're going to soon be able to have people who ordinarily wouldn't be able to have natural offspring, will be able to have offspring through the intercession of technology.

01:35:47.000 So, for instance, I think that we'll be able to have same-sex children who are the products of both a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

01:35:54.000 Through recombinant nuclear technology.

01:35:59.000 And so I don't think that actually the traditional understanding of what a species is will be relevant very much longer.

01:36:05.000 But there are some suggestions that people might translate out of carbon-based life form altogether and become, you know, computer-based minds.

01:36:14.000 And that would certainly constitute a species change.

01:36:16.000 You know, even as the computers get more and more advanced, I don't think that they're going to become truly You know, what you'd call self-aware for a long, long time.

01:36:26.000 I think that we're gonna see the government and others merging, you know, brain tissue grown from fetuses in with the machines and calling it a machine.

01:36:37.000 I think you're probably right, actually.

01:36:38.000 I think that the challenge of generating a self-aware, self-willed personality inside a machine are much greater than any of the AI enthusiasts think.

01:36:48.000 But what we are going to have is an increasingly intimate marriage of computer technology with neural technology.

01:36:56.000 And you saw this just last year.

01:36:57.000 The FDA approved for people who have severe paralysis a chip that can be inserted into their brain that can communicate directly from their brain into computers.

01:37:06.000 Yeah, the nerve stimulator.

01:37:07.000 Right.

01:37:08.000 Well, not just the stimulator.

01:37:09.000 There's stimulation going towards the brain, but there's also a chip now that allows the brain to control a cursor in a computer.

01:37:16.000 And of course this is a tremendous boon for people who have severe paralysis because otherwise they would be trapped inside a body and not be able to communicate for as long as 15-20 years.

01:37:24.000 What about 20-30 years from now where say 20% of the public, mainly young people, because it will be packaged as some rebellious, trendy thing to do, your parents don't want you to get it, but they pass a global law that you're allowed to go in and be fitted with the new brain chip to interact and the military says you've got to have this to work with us.

01:37:43.000 Well, I don't see us getting rid of the Amish. 1.00

01:37:45.000 different classes of people and then those Christians, they refuse to go along with it and they're living in ghettos because they're refusing and we're having to pay for them and they're just backwards and let's just get rid of them. 1.00

01:37:58.000 Well, I don't see us getting rid of the Amish. 1.00

01:38:00.000 The Amish have rejected all kinds of technologies and are actually quite genetically different from the people around them because of interbreeding, but yet they're not being subject to any But I do think that there is... Actually, they're getting put under the squeeze right now by social services and... Well, there's some legitimate questions about how far the rest of us need to bend over backward, and that is where your question comes in.

01:38:23.000 So for instance, Do people have a right not to be required to know how to read when they go for a job?

01:38:29.000 I think it's perfectly acceptable for employers to expect that their employees, their prospective employees, will know how to read.

01:38:35.000 Yeah, so in the future you've got to have the chip, yeah.

01:38:40.000 The rest of us shouldn't have to bend over backwards for you, so you just say it's an individual decision, but then we extrapolate out right into, it's going to be reasonable, we're going to have to have the chip.

01:38:51.000 Well, you're saying that employers should be forbidden to expect that people have certain kinds of skills.

01:38:57.000 But because of the trump card that these technologies give people and the corporation's consolidation, they're going to be... I don't think you want the government passing a law that says that employers are not allowed to ask that people know how to read when they come for a job.

01:39:14.000 Yeah, but you just talked about chips.

01:39:15.000 Right.

01:39:16.000 Well, I'm saying that in the future, if certain kinds of technologies become widely available and dramatically increase the performance of potential workers, then there may be a little bit of coercion to go and get that.

01:39:28.000 Just as, you know, 50 years ago, or maybe 500 years ago, I wouldn't have been able to see very well without my glasses.

01:39:35.000 And today, if I tried to go for a job and didn't have glasses, I wouldn't be able to do very much.

01:39:40.000 Yeah, but the analogy of putting glasses on your nose and taking a brain chip is light years apart.

01:39:49.000 Well, how about wearing your prosthetic limb in the workplace?

01:39:53.000 Already we have a debate about what exactly constitutes a disability.

01:39:58.000 I have no problem with intelligent artificial limbs.

01:40:03.000 That's different than saying you've got to put something into your brain.

01:40:07.000 It isn't different because already we have people with disabilities who go into the workplace and say, under the Americans with Disabilities Act, you're not allowed to fire me because Although I could put that prosthetic limb on, I want you to give me a wheelchair.

01:40:20.000 What I'm talking about is this technocrat elite, which you obviously are part of, and this future technocrat elite.

01:40:25.000 I wish I could get paid by the technocrat elite.

01:40:27.000 Let me just finish this.

01:40:29.000 What's going to happen, this is going to happen because it always happens, it's the way our society works, what's going to happen is they're going to build the infrastructure, the rapidly expanding infrastructure that's going to overlay the current infrastructure, In the fourth wave, they're going to put the infrastructure in where it's designed for the wireheads, the cyberpunks, and we're all going to be second-class citizens, and we're going to have our children taken from us because we're backwards kooks who don't want the chips. 0.97

01:40:59.000 And it's going to be a hell hole, and it's going to have control designed into it, because that's what the state's always wanted, and you're for the state ordering psychological testing when they're going to write the guidelines, and it's out of control. 0.72

01:41:11.000 This elite is evil, sir.

01:41:12.000 This elite has done so many evil things.

01:41:15.000 You just mentioned what they did to the troops.

01:41:17.000 They're going to control this!

01:41:20.000 Well, I think there's always going to be a question about what constitutes child abuse.

01:41:23.000 And right now, our society leans over backwards to respect the rights of parents who have kooky religious beliefs who want to beat their kids.

01:41:31.000 And those kinds of things, I think there is a legitimate question about whether parents who don't teach their kids to read are committing child abuse or not.

01:41:38.000 And in the future, not giving your kids certain kinds of medicines and enhancements may be considered child abuse.

01:41:43.000 Just like a THX1138, he's bad! 1.00

01:41:46.000 He's caught taking injectors off the little children, and so they need to chase him down?

01:41:52.000 Well, that's clearly not the future any of us want to live in.

01:41:56.000 Look at real life, sir!

01:41:58.000 It's pretty darn dystopic!

01:42:00.000 Well, I think that again... Except for the coddled 4% living here in America and the total 10% living in European nations.

01:42:09.000 Again, where you and I probably are on the same page is that we want as much individual choice over these things as possible.

01:42:15.000 We don't want to see a coercive... But you just said, you just said that it will be basically abusive to not give your child the ZM-12 brain chip.

01:42:24.000 Well, all I'm saying is that for all of your listeners, I'm sure that there is some point at which they consider child abuse committed by some parent towards their kid to be so severe that that kid needs to be taken away from that parent.

01:42:37.000 Because they won't give them the medications they need.

01:42:40.000 Well, if the medication is life-saving, I think most of your listeners probably would agree that the state has a right to intervene and say, look, you have to save your kid's life.

01:42:49.000 What do your colleagues think of your ideas and your work at the college?

01:42:56.000 Most of them don't seem to have a problem with it.

01:42:58.000 I'm always itching for a good argument, but I haven't found one here.

01:43:02.000 I used to get more arguments in graduate school at the University of Chicago, where folks were a little bit more conservative.

01:43:07.000 Well, I mean, I'm going to be honest with you, Professor Dr. Hughes.

01:43:12.000 I'm sitting here and you keep talking, you keep putting out the statement that nothing should be coercive, and it's kind of like Waco and they're ramming the tank into the church going, this is not an assault, and then you come right back with, well, if you're not giving your child the drugs they need, or yeah, the chip they need, yeah, I might need to take them.

01:43:31.000 I mean, it's not backwards and weird if I don't want a chip in my brain.

01:43:35.000 Well, what I'm talking about, what I'm talking about non-coercion, there's principally for adults.

01:43:42.000 With children, we always have the question about what the proper balance is between parents' rights and society's right to protect kids from parents.

01:43:50.000 And I think that all of your listeners would find that there are some kids who need to be protected from their parents.

01:43:55.000 So we see where this is going.

01:43:58.000 Dr. Phil says the state owns the kids.

01:44:01.000 Well, I don't agree with Dr. Phil.

01:44:04.000 You know something, this is unbelievable.

01:44:08.000 You know something, I'm always interested in people by the art, by the fruits, by what they produce.

01:44:13.000 Do you mind telling us, because it's on your website, your organization, tell us about your wife's artwork.

01:44:20.000 My wife has long been interested in the intersection between maternity and domesticity and domestic life.

01:44:30.000 Her mother was a physical anatomist who studied teeth, so my wife has done a lot of art about the human body and in particular about birth.

01:44:40.000 For folks that haven't had the pleasure of seeing some of the art, tell us about an average piece.

01:44:47.000 Well, one of her pieces was that she kept track of every lunch that she prepared for our kids over the course of two years. 0.96

01:44:53.000 Then she made a series of lunch bags, one series out of lead, one series out of paper, one series out of glycerin soap.

01:45:00.000 And then had these installations in various galleries lined up or scattered around.

01:45:07.000 How about the ones with the teeth and the hair and the umbilical cords?

01:45:12.000 Well, the teeth project, again, is kind of a pay-on to her mother who studied the evolution of Native American teeth.

01:45:19.000 But in her case, my wife's case, she took casts of our kids' teeth as they fell out over the course of their five-year-old to ten-year-old selves.

01:45:29.000 And then cast them into silver and had a series of teeth on the wall cast in silver that showed that evolution of their mouths.

01:45:38.000 And what's the umbilical cord part?

01:45:41.000 Well, the umbilical cord, of course, has always been a profoundly spiritual symbol in a lot of different cultures, and so she kept the umbilical cord.

01:45:48.000 We had our kids at home because we're very critical of obstetric practice, and she kept the umbilical cord.

01:45:55.000 But you want the state to have forced psychological testing?

01:45:59.000 Well, I think the state has a role in encouraging public health, subsidizing various kinds of... But you don't trust them to have your children at the facility?

01:46:08.000 Well, the state didn't have very much to do with that.

01:46:10.000 We have private health insurance, and the private health insurance Would either pay for a midwife to come to our house, or we could go to the hospital. 0.78

01:46:16.000 But I'm trying to get this, doctor.

01:46:17.000 See, that's what I mean.

01:46:18.000 You don't trust the government, which I think is pretty reasonable, to have your children at their facility.

01:46:24.000 The government wasn't offering to come and deliver my kids, either at the home or at the hospital.

01:46:27.000 It was a matter of us deciding where to have our kids.

01:46:29.000 You know what I mean.

01:46:30.000 The government sets the standards.

01:46:32.000 Well, I think, yeah, I think the government has legitimate reason to say that certain kinds of people can practice medicine and others can't.

01:46:40.000 And it has a legitimate reason to say that you can deliver kids.

01:46:43.000 You can't deliver them in the street.

01:46:44.000 You have to deliver them... You know, Doc, I think you're talking yourself in circles here.

01:46:47.000 No, I... Well, I think I'm trying to make a point that the government has legitimate rights to set certain kinds of regulation for medical practice.

01:46:55.000 And it doesn't have anything to do with whether there's a legitimate right for me to have my kids at home.

01:47:01.000 If the government were to say I couldn't have my kids at home, then I would have to fight that law, but the government allowed me to have my kids at home.

01:47:07.000 So you see yourself as a pioneer, I would guess?

01:47:13.000 I think we're all pioneers.

01:47:14.000 This time of history, it's hard not to be a pioneer.

01:47:21.000 I mean, I find you to be an intriguing individual, and I appreciate your honesty with this.

01:47:25.000 I just, out of the gates, I see all these applications being used for the bad, not for the good.

01:47:29.000 And I don't see choice being involved.

01:47:32.000 I see choice being phased out quite rapidly.

01:47:35.000 And I think that discussions of taking people's children because they won't put them on the drugs that would advance them, I don't buy the school of thought.

01:47:45.000 I wasn't proposing that, but it's your hypothetical.

01:47:48.000 Well, they are taking people's children by the thousands that won't put them on drugs.

01:47:52.000 I think that we have to have this debate, because no matter, I don't care how extreme your guest or your listener is, There's some point at which they think apparent... But who governs who is extreme?

01:48:06.000 Hold on a minute.

01:48:07.000 Who governs who is extreme?

01:48:08.000 You want to... I'm not casting aspersions about your listeners.

01:48:11.000 I'm just saying...

01:48:13.000 All of your listeners... But who sets the parameters of what's extreme, Professor?

01:48:16.000 All of your listeners have some point at which they think apparently... But who sets... Let me ask you a question.

01:48:21.000 Who sets the parameters of what's extreme?

01:48:23.000 The almighty government, who I say is extremely evil.

01:48:27.000 Well, okay, that's fine.

01:48:30.000 But if someone's walking down the street gibbering to themselves, I think that we have a responsibility, a compassionate responsibility as a society.

01:48:38.000 To go up to that person and try to figure out how we can keep them from hurting themselves and hurting others.

01:48:42.000 Well, they're not hurting themselves.

01:48:43.000 I say leave them alone.

01:48:44.000 I think some of the nuttiest people in the world are running the nut houses.

01:48:49.000 Okay, that's fine.

01:48:50.000 But I still think that most of us would agree.

01:48:53.000 That we have a social responsibility to have a government to stop crime and to make sure that people who are in severe need have what they need.

01:49:02.000 And I think that what you seem to be really worked up about is this government plan to do mental health screening.

01:49:08.000 And I understand why you're worked up about that.

01:49:10.000 But I think that the question of whether the government has an obligation To figure out how much mental illness there is in our society and what we can do about it.

01:49:17.000 I think that's obvious.

01:49:18.000 Sir, I have the government documents and I've had former folks that were, you know, number two, Department of Education, where they were in meetings where the plan is to dumb our kids down.

01:49:28.000 Well, I... You just... I believe very bad things about the Bush administration, but that's not one of the things I believe.

01:49:35.000 Well, I mean, it's not beliefs, sir.

01:49:36.000 It's their documents.

01:49:38.000 It's not the Bush administration.

01:49:39.000 It's all of them.

01:49:41.000 Well, every institution in our government right now is controlled by the Republican Party, so... Yeah, well, stay there, Professor.

01:49:47.000 It's just unbelievable.

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01:54:55.000 Now, going back to Dr. James J. Hughes, who's the Executive Director of the World Transhumanist Association, Mr. Hughes, again, talking to you during the break, you talk about all this freedom and liberty and doing all of this, and then You know, I said to you, well, it's not natural for children to be on drugs.

01:55:22.000 You said, well, death isn't natural anymore at 40.

01:55:24.000 You know, it shouldn't be. 0.98

01:55:26.000 Well, to make the comparison between something like that and people being forced on drugs in mass is ridiculous.

01:55:34.000 Then that gives the state total control over controlling those drugs and how they're distributed and everybody being an addict.

01:55:40.000 But then on top of that, Professor, We then have the fact that it looks like we have an angelic government right now.

01:55:47.000 We're building mechanisms of total tyranny, and tyranny always takes control of those mechanisms.

01:55:54.000 Your comments to that, and tell us about your book.

01:55:57.000 Well, my book is called Citizen Cyborg, and it reviews in the first third of the book the technologies and how rapidly they're going to come upon us for human enhancement, and then I outline The different political factions that are beginning to shape up on the right and the left, opposed to and in favor of these technologies and the different arguments that they use about them.

01:56:18.000 And then I proposed a series of public policies in the latter part of the book.

01:56:23.000 about how to regulate these technologies to ensure that they're safe and universally available and empower people and don't increase the amount of tyranny in our society.

01:56:32.000 You take a liberal country like Germany, I bet you like their laws.

01:56:36.000 They're saying to women, your 25-year-old computer programmer, no, you want your unemployment check, you've got to go be a prostitute and serve as ten men a day because there's no morals anymore. 0.74

01:56:48.000 And there's no moral compass.

01:56:49.000 And, you know, humans, it used to be natural for a woman to, you know, have love with a man.

01:56:54.000 But love doesn't even exist anymore.

01:56:56.000 That's just some chemical in the brain. 0.98

01:56:58.000 And so you go have sex with ten men a day. 0.97

01:57:00.000 Well, I have seen the argument of why you think that the German social policy would lead that direction. 0.97

01:57:07.000 No, no, you didn't hear?

01:57:09.000 I heard, I heard.

01:57:12.000 I'm for the legalization of sex work, as they have in Holland, because I think that... And then, well, they would legalize both, so... And then telling her, you don't get your unemployment unless you go take this job.

01:57:22.000 That only happens when you have coercive workfare policies, as were instituted here in the States, where you tell women who have three kids that they have to go out and find a job, and they can't stay home and take care of their kids. 1.00

01:57:32.000 Yeah, but Germany's doing it. 0.82

01:57:32.000 They're ordering women... 0.82

01:57:34.000 Talk about destructive! 1.00

01:57:35.000 I don't want to have sex with people I don't know! 0.98

01:57:37.000 This is dehumanizing! 0.86

01:57:39.000 We are human beings!

01:57:40.000 I think you did not.

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01:57:49.000 Mainstream media.

01:57:51.000 Government cover-ups.

01:57:53.000 You want answers?

01:57:54.000 Well so does he.

01:57:56.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:58:00.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:04.000 Our guest is Dr. James J. Hughes, head of the...

01:58:19.000 World Transhumanist Association.

01:58:23.000 Used to be a Buddhist monk.

01:58:25.000 And he's into this merger with the machines, I guess, at a spiritual level.

01:58:30.000 Maybe the state would have to take children if you don't give them the drugs they need. 1.00

01:58:34.000 It's the next level of evolution.

01:58:36.000 And this is the school of thought that's going to dominate things in the years to come.

01:58:40.000 And while you won't take the brain chip to have the job, society shouldn't bend over backwards for you.

01:58:45.000 You'll feel much better once you've got it, once you're with us.

01:58:49.000 But he's honored me by staying on with us into this third hour.

01:58:53.000 We've had him on for the last hour to take your calls coming up here soon.

01:58:57.000 Professor, finish up telling us about your lovely book, Citizen Cyborg.

01:59:02.000 Well, I also want to plug my radio show.

01:59:03.000 People want to listen to all of my weekly public affairs radio show, Change Surfer Radio.

01:59:09.000 They can go to changesurfer.com and listen to all the shows there.

01:59:14.000 My book is Citizen Cyborg and I also have a blog called cyborgdemocracy.net.

01:59:20.000 Doesn't sound like much of a democracy talking about forced drugging.

01:59:25.000 Well, you... It depends how you define it.

01:59:28.000 It's all nebulous.

01:59:29.000 Well, you posed a hypothetical about whether employers should have a right to have certain expectations of what their employees are able to do.

01:59:36.000 Having a chip in their brain, yeah.

01:59:37.000 Well, and I... You compared it to breathing oxygen, yeah.

01:59:41.000 I compared it to reading, and I think that employers do have a right to expect their employees to read, and I don't think very many of us... Hey, you're gonna win!

01:59:48.000 You got the men in the black ski masks with machine guns backing you up.

01:59:48.000 Don't worry.

01:59:52.000 I wish.

01:59:52.000 nice friendlies.

01:59:53.000 I wish it doesn't feel that way. 1.00

01:59:55.000 You know, I told you about the Department of Education documents where they said we're going to dumb the people down into unthinking, mindless idiots. 0.96

02:00:02.000 And you did agree during the break with me that, yeah, institutions do tend to want to knock the edges off people. 0.97

02:00:07.000 That's right, and I think that's why we need to give people as much control over their own personalities as possible, because I think most of us would choose to be... No, what you're doing is legitimizing all this so you can then force it on us!

02:00:18.000 Well, I think most of us would choose, to the extent that we have control over our own brain chemistry, to be creative, independent, free-thinking individuals.

02:00:25.000 Have you heard about these viruses they're going to inject people with?

02:00:27.000 They're about to make it law in England that re-engineer the brain?

02:00:31.000 I haven't heard about that.

02:00:34.000 I'll tell you about it after the break, but let's take a call, Doctor.

02:00:36.000 Okay.

02:00:37.000 Bruce in Kentucky, and then Annette and others.

02:00:41.000 Go ahead, Bruce, you're on the air.

02:00:45.000 After you hear the delay, you'll come over to the telephone.

02:00:47.000 Hello?

02:00:48.000 Yes, go ahead.

02:00:49.000 I'm sorry, sir.

02:00:50.000 I'm sorry, go ahead!

02:00:51.000 Well, I just think this is all a bad idea.

02:00:54.000 You know, he was on Ritalin.

02:00:57.000 I was on Ritalin years ago.

02:00:58.000 I didn't like it.

02:01:01.000 I'm sure it affects different people different ways, but I didn't feel any less better.

02:01:06.000 I was pretty much a zombie.

02:01:07.000 You'll feel better with the chip soon.

02:01:10.000 You'll join us in the next level of evolution.

02:01:13.000 You'll be tied into the Evermind.

02:01:15.000 The pain will end.

02:01:17.000 No!

02:01:18.000 We'll be part of the Great Zen.

02:01:20.000 There with our brother, Dr. Hughes.

02:01:23.000 Is that right, Dr. Hughes?

02:01:25.000 So I think you're doing a great disservice to all the parents out there who find that their kids actually do do better at Rowan.

02:01:30.000 Some kids don't, and I think that we need to listen to our kids.

02:01:33.000 When we give them... Doctor, when did you come up with all of this?

02:01:35.000 When you were deep in the... Let me finish my point about medicating kids.

02:01:39.000 I have two kids, and I have listened to my kids very carefully.

02:01:42.000 My daughter doesn't seem to like Ritalin, and she's off it now. 0.92

02:01:45.000 She didn't find any benefit from it, and she didn't like it, so we took her off it.

02:01:48.000 I think any parent has that responsibility.

02:01:50.000 To listen to their kids.

02:01:51.000 And if their kids are depressed and you try antidepressants and it doesn't work... But the state says no!

02:01:55.000 They force kids on it!

02:01:57.000 But not when you got that case in New Mexico, that gentleman being charged with child abuse for taking his kid off Ritalin because it wasn't doing him any good.

02:02:06.000 What about cases like those?

02:02:07.000 You don't have much of a choice then, do you?

02:02:11.000 That is a case I disagree with because I think that this should be left up to, for as much as possible, to the decision between a parent and their kid and their doctor.

02:02:21.000 In the case of the harmful effects of not being on Ritalin, I don't think that they're so harmful that the state should step in.

02:02:27.000 Doctors, stay there. 0.99

02:02:28.000 We'll be back soon with your chip.

02:02:30.000 You'll feel better after this break, doctor.

02:02:32.000 We appreciate him joining us.

02:02:35.000 We'll be right back after this quick break.

02:02:37.000 We'll tell you about his websites as well.

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02:05:56.000 The Casual Society Control Grid straitjacket is going into place.

02:06:01.000 The dehumanization is being accelerated.

02:06:06.000 The entire world population is going to be, in an orderly fashion, exterminated by 80 to 95 percent according to UN documents.

02:06:16.000 And the small group that's left will be a drugged out, mindless minion class, literally with their disconnect buttons at the fingertips of the elite.

02:06:25.000 Now that's what I see being set up, that's what the documents show, that's what the Pentagon says, that's what the Ted Turners and the Prince Phillips are out promoting.

02:06:34.000 I've really been honored to have Dr. James J. Hughes on the website transhumanism.org for those that are public school educated.

02:06:42.000 Since they started all these great new ideas, we can't read and write or even think.

02:06:45.000 Transhumanism is spelled H-U-M-A-N-I-S-M.O-R-G.

02:06:50.000 Or link through to infowars.com.

02:06:52.000 He's the author of Citizen Cyborg.

02:06:56.000 And I want to get into a few issues with him, but I also want to go to Annette and Linda and Bart and George and My wife hadn't called in to my show in about four years, and she called in.

02:07:07.000 She's also my producer, Violet Jones.

02:07:09.000 So we'll see what she has to say.

02:07:10.000 Then there'll be talking to the boss here in a few minutes, folks.

02:07:13.000 So I look forward to this.

02:07:15.000 I told her I was going to tease her and say that.

02:07:17.000 My lovely, intelligent wife.

02:07:19.000 But Doc, you were Earlier, before the break, we were talking about Germany, where they say, OK, there is no right or wrong, so we've legalized prostitution, and now you can't say it's right or wrong.

02:07:31.000 You've got to go service 10 men a day to a 25-year-old woman with a college degree who can't get a job as a software engineer anymore. 1.00

02:07:39.000 And then you were making some comments about that?

02:07:41.000 Well, it's really not a topic that our organization addresses, so it's kind of off-topic.

02:07:47.000 That just shows what the state is doing.

02:07:49.000 You know, when there are no morals, when it's all just Well, generally I'm much more in sympathy with the kind of social policies that they have in places like Holland and Germany, and one of the attitudes that they have over there is that people should be able to smoke marijuana without going to prison, and that women That the best way to control prostitution is not to throw women who sell their bodies in prison, but to get them organized in health check-ups. 0.97

02:08:13.000 And as soon as they did that, my point is, they then jumped right into, we're taxing it now, and we're the state, and we're now your pimp, and we're gonna go grab good-looking young women that have got careers ahead of them, now that the state controls things, and you're gonna have to be our whore! 0.99

02:08:27.000 Prostitution is the oldest profession, probably, in human race. 0.99

02:08:30.000 But what about the state telling you you have to do it?

02:08:33.000 And I think that women should not be thrown in prison for practicing it. 0.94

02:08:38.000 Answer my question, Doc!

02:08:40.000 Well, I am answering your question.

02:08:41.000 I'm saying I don't think that women should be thrown in prison for practicing prostitution.

02:08:46.000 An open profession that we make sure is safe and that women are not infected.

02:08:51.000 But then if we say it's normal, hold on a second, then if we say it's normal, and then in this new futuristic world, there are no morals, but what the state tells you, then the state says you shouldn't have a problem with destroying your psychology and getting in bed with him in a day you don't know.

02:09:05.000 Well, why does the state have to enforce our morals?

02:09:07.000 Why can't women make a decision for themselves? 1.00

02:09:09.000 The state's saying there are no morals.

02:09:09.000 They're telling her!

02:09:11.000 Why can't women make a decision for themselves about whether it's within their morality? 1.00

02:09:13.000 They're telling her she has to!

02:09:15.000 Well, I told you that the problem with the German policy is that they're coercing women who are on public assistance to leave public assistance to find employment, and then you're saying that this is one of the employments that they could find.

02:09:27.000 And that's the problem when the state controls everything and has universal psychological testing for all of this.

02:09:31.000 They're going to tell us what we've got to do!

02:09:33.000 What we need to argue about, I think, in that case is whether governments should force women on public assistance to leave their families in order to get jobs, and I'm opposed to that.

02:09:41.000 I was opposed to it when Clinton did it over here, and I'm opposed to it under the Bush administration as well.

02:09:47.000 Well, let me... I want to tell you, since you didn't know about it, you've heard of the vaccine that, quote, stops the child's synapses from being able to pick up narcotics and nicotine?

02:09:47.000 Okay.

02:09:57.000 Yeah, I'm opposed to that, too.

02:09:58.000 Okay, this is a virus, and they're about to make it law in England.

02:10:01.000 We're talking BBC, London Telegraph, Times of London.

02:10:04.000 I think that kids... I mean, the question of Well, let me just finish for those who don't know.

02:10:08.000 Well, let me just say about that.

02:10:10.000 It's a drug that interferes with kids' ability to uptake certain kinds of drugs.

02:10:16.000 I think the critical question there is obviously we think all parents should have a right and an obligation to keep their kids off of drugs.

02:10:23.000 But for parents to permanently change their kid's brain so that they can never experience certain kinds of drugs, I think it's far too far.

02:10:30.000 Well, then they can't even experience their own endorphins!

02:10:33.000 Right, exactly.

02:10:33.000 But my point is, the government system that you're saying is so great, give them all this power, look at what they're doing out of the gate!

02:10:39.000 Well, it doesn't require a government system.

02:10:41.000 That kind of technology is going to be offered to parents over here without any kind of government interference.

02:10:46.000 No, I know.

02:10:46.000 And they're insane if they do it.

02:10:47.000 It is a virus that creates plaques.

02:10:50.000 In the receptor sites for pleasure-causing chemicals.

02:10:54.000 Exactly.

02:10:55.000 This is insane.

02:10:56.000 When your child scores a touchdown, they won't score a touchdown because they don't want the victory.

02:11:00.000 They're going to be vegetables and England's about to inject every child with it and nobody even knows about it.

02:11:06.000 It's an extremely bad idea and you know what gave birth to that idea is the war on drugs.

02:11:10.000 The war on drugs is the principal handmaiden of... You know, this is classic.

02:11:14.000 You're talking about a war on drugs, but then you're saying the state should be able to forcibly put kids on stuff even worse.

02:11:19.000 Well, what I'm saying is that people have a right to control their own brain.

02:11:22.000 But we're not going to under new freedom!

02:11:25.000 You're too much of an optimist, Professor.

02:11:27.000 We have half a million people who are in prison in the United States for smoking or selling marijuana.

02:11:33.000 I'm for decriminalization, sir!

02:11:41.000 But you're not listening to me.

02:11:44.000 This system you've bought into has been craftily designed to get us in the criminal justice system, the psychiatric system, or the welfare system.

02:11:51.000 It's all designed to get us dependent.

02:11:54.000 Well, I don't share your worldview, but... It's not my worldview, sir!

02:11:59.000 It is the facts!

02:12:00.000 I do think we should have decriminalization of marijuana, because I think people have a right to control their own brains.

02:12:04.000 See, sir, it's not all moral relativists.

02:12:06.000 There are facts in this world.

02:12:07.000 Water boils at a certain point... I'm not a moral relativist.

02:12:11.000 I'm not at all a moral relativist.

02:12:13.000 I have a very strict and clear set of morals.

02:12:16.000 I'll tell you what, my wife, Violet Jones, has called in, I think it's about four or five years, she's got a person to set you up for this broadcast, and we'll go to Annette and Linda and Bart and George.

02:12:26.000 My dear, you are on with a good professor!

02:12:29.000 Hi Alex.

02:12:30.000 Hi Violet.

02:12:30.000 Hi Dr. Hughes, how are you?

02:12:32.000 Good.

02:12:33.000 I wanted to go over what I think is at the core of transhumanism and of your book and of your opinion.

02:12:41.000 What is your background?

02:12:43.000 Now, this is a secular show, but you have a very spiritually oriented background, and I think your approach to transhumanism is a spiritual approach.

02:12:53.000 So, you were once a Buddhist monk, right?

02:12:55.000 Right.

02:12:56.000 Okay, and so, the reason, or how I found out about all of this was on BetterHumans.com, which is an interesting website itself.

02:13:07.000 An article by Wesley J. Smith, who we've had on the show before, who wrote The Culture of Death.

02:13:14.000 A real humanitarian!

02:13:16.000 He's one of my favorite scoring partners.

02:13:18.000 Okay, well here's what I wanted to read from the article that he wrote about your book.

02:13:25.000 He calls it an epistle for the new religion of transhumanism.

02:13:29.000 Which I call dehumanization.

02:13:31.000 Right.

02:13:31.000 End of the species.

02:13:32.000 I think that the real concern here is that it is dehumanist kind of belief or thought.

02:13:40.000 But anyhow, I wanted to read this one sentence if I could.

02:13:42.000 Sure.

02:13:42.000 Um, moreover, transhumanism is nihilistic at its core, holding that being merely human is wholly inadequate to attaining a truly fulfilled and happy life.

02:13:52.000 For transhumanists, humans aren't smart enough, strong enough, pretty enough or healthy enough for life to really be worth living. 0.74

02:14:00.000 Besides, it's all over so soon.

02:14:02.000 So, what do you say to that?

02:14:05.000 Well, let me just correct you about transhumanism and its relationship to spirituality.

02:14:10.000 We have recently polled our membership, our 3,000 members around the world, about their spiritual beliefs, and we found that although the vast majority of transhumanists are secular of one sort or another, secular humanists or whatever, that we have christian transhumanist and hindu transhumanist and eastern orthodox and mormon and all kinds of folks and I happen to be a buddhist.

02:14:32.000 Sir, I think your world view is even more dangerous because of how it kind of squiggles around issues and I call it moral relativist.

02:14:43.000 I think it's... Let me answer your wife's question because I don't think that there's any necessary relationship between a belief in the afterlife and the conclusion That it's probably a good idea for us to have technologies that allow people to live an extra 50 years, or technologies that wipe out... Or forever with the cybernetic interfaces?

02:15:04.000 Well, that people should have a right to control their own brains, and if they find that it's useful to have a cybernetic interface, that they should have a right to have one.

02:15:10.000 Of course, it won't even be the original creature.

02:15:12.000 What Wesley's point is... What Wesley's point is, and what some Christian conservatives have said about transhumanism, is that we're some kind of anti... you know, we hate the body and we hate the human condition.

02:15:23.000 There's a grain of truth there.

02:15:24.000 We think it could be radically improved.

02:15:26.000 We think that people will generally enjoy living a second time this year.

02:15:30.000 I don't want to hear how man and the government and the elites want to improve the body.

02:15:34.000 I see an obsession with death and sickeningness.

02:15:36.000 I'm getting that impression, Alex, but what I'm saying is that... I understand what you're saying, and I understand your response to that, but you clearly are a person with strong spiritual beliefs because you were once a Buddhist monk.

02:15:49.000 Right.

02:15:52.000 I'm still a Buddhist, and I have not had the opportunity to read your book, but basically this review by Wesley J. Smith, whose opinion I admire greatly in most things and everything that I've read about him.

02:16:05.000 Well, you have to read my review of his book.

02:16:06.000 Well, and I, you know, might be... Oh, were you for euthanasia?

02:16:11.000 Well, here's an interesting thing that Wesley J. Smith says, and I was going to try and find it.

02:16:17.000 Has to do with embryos and certain things being unaware or not self-aware.

02:16:23.000 Let me, I'm sorry, I'm scrolling on the internet.

02:16:25.000 Let's just ask him, are you here for using all these baby parts? 1.00

02:16:29.000 Well, one of the concerns that Wesley has about my work... Yeah, I have it.

02:16:34.000 I have it here.

02:16:35.000 Can I just read it real quick?

02:16:36.000 Hughes democrates human embryos, fetuses, presumably infants, who are after all not self-aware, and those with profound cognitive disabilities to the status of property or sentient property.

02:16:49.000 That really alarms me.

02:16:50.000 That's kind of like, I forget who this guy, Peter Singer, who says that retarded babies or newborns...

02:16:59.000 are worth nothing more than macros.

02:17:01.000 And, I mean, Alex was just talking earlier on the program about the possible combination of embryonic... Pimeras.

02:17:09.000 ...neurocells with machines, you know, unborn children who've never had the chance to live out their destiny being combined with some sort of horrific...

02:17:18.000 Oh, this is just too good.

02:17:19.000 And the doctor...

02:17:21.000 Doctor, can you stay with us just a little bit more, take some more calls?

02:17:23.000 Absolutely, I want to answer your wife's question.

02:17:25.000 Alright, honey, stay there, and then we're going to come back and go to Annette and Linda and Bart and everybody else, George that's holding, so whether you're calling from West Virginia or Chicago, Illinois, stay there, we'll be right back, InfoWars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, we're fighting the Prison Planet Builders!

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02:21:55.000 You know, they can call cancer evolution and something good.

02:21:59.000 You know, everything is good.

02:22:01.000 Everything's just a change in that.

02:22:03.000 There's no such thing as a mutation.

02:22:06.000 Everything that gives rise is natural.

02:22:08.000 You know, all of these arguments, this is dehumanization.

02:22:12.000 This is the matrix.

02:22:13.000 And I want to go to Annette and Linda and Bart and all these callers for our guests, but Going back to my wife, Violet, finish up what you were going to say.

02:22:20.000 Well, I was reading again in this article while you were on break, and I just was struck again by another sentence, and of course we're talking about Wesley J. Smith, who wrote The Culture of Death, and his review of... Citizen Cyborg!

02:22:37.000 Right, of Citizen Cyborg.

02:22:38.000 Anyhow, it states how Dr. Hughes, some of your favorite philosophers that you refer to frequently in their book are Infanticide proponents Peter Singer and Jonathan Glover.

02:22:52.000 We're not just talking about embryonic stuff here, we're talking about actual infanticide.

02:23:01.000 I'm just really concerned about this whole issue as not only being nihilistic, but it's an extinctionist thing.

02:23:08.000 I think it's an extension of Peter Singer's animal rights thing, which is extinctionist.

02:23:18.000 From the things that we've been talking about, I envision a horrifically possible future where Children's brains have been melded with machines and things like in the Matrix where people are plugged in, just their minds driving.

02:23:32.000 And whatever happened to humanity, the love of humanity?

02:23:35.000 I think life is beautiful and humanity is beautiful.

02:23:38.000 Why do this?

02:23:39.000 Why say we're not good?

02:23:40.000 Thank you for calling, my dear.

02:23:41.000 Go ahead, sir.

02:23:42.000 Yeah, Violet, I think your concerns are about those kind of scenarios are absolutely legitimate because what we could have is the coercive use of these technologies to restrict people's liberty.

02:23:52.000 I think that's why we need to have a civil rights movement around people's right to use these technologies in self-chosen ways.

02:23:57.000 But let me address the issue.

02:23:59.000 I am, of course, opposed to infanticide.

02:24:03.000 But the issue is framed between people like Wesley J. Smith and myself.

02:24:08.000 Wesley is an advocate of what I call human racism.

02:24:10.000 He believes that Being a human has some kind of meaning and that it is in itself something that needs to be protected from the moment of conception.

02:24:20.000 Oh, now it's racism to want to stand up for the human species.

02:24:23.000 So you're going to stop speeding.

02:24:24.000 And my argument is that humanness in the first place doesn't really exist.

02:24:28.000 You know, we recently discovered the hobbits of Indonesia who were about half our height and were genetically similar to us but wouldn't have been considered human. 0.99

02:24:37.000 But if they were tool users and language users and had culture, I think they should have had rights even if they weren't human.

02:24:44.000 But the cockroaches can't vote, so you'll vote for them.

02:24:51.000 I think the key issue here is whether humanness is a moral category.

02:24:55.000 It's not.

02:24:56.000 It's an irrelevant category.

02:24:57.000 So now we don't have any God-given rights, the state does.

02:25:02.000 Is someone the kind of person who has the kind of thinking and the kind of feeling that we have going on inside of our heads?

02:25:09.000 So the state will decide if you're even a human.

02:25:12.000 And if they do, then they deserve the protection of human rights.

02:25:15.000 But only if the state decides.

02:25:17.000 I understand, only if the state decides.

02:25:19.000 The state's all powerful.

02:25:20.000 The state is the only one that protects rights other than we as individuals.

02:25:23.000 I think the ones that chew it up, we have to restrict the state.

02:25:26.000 That was the founding fathers, what do they know?

02:25:28.000 Annette in West Virginia.

02:25:29.000 Annette, you're on the air, go ahead.

02:25:32.000 Good afternoon, Dr. Jones.

02:25:34.000 Hughes, excuse me.

02:25:37.000 Alex, I have a comment for you, but first I would like to address the root of the basis for a doctor's used tendency to believe or to accept the world of artificiality.

02:25:50.000 And that would be the doctor's demon possession.

02:25:52.000 As necessary, as necessary to perfect human beings.

02:25:57.000 Now, coming from a Christian background with a great deal of uh... investigation into the uh... scientific and uh... sanitation rules of the old testament the laws that were given on mount sinai for to produce the seed well to produce a people that would be physically mentally

02:26:26.000 Intelligent, productive people who thought in terms of the long range, not only of their immediate circumstances, and that would produce a beautiful environment, and witnessed Solomon's reign.

02:26:42.000 So what's your question for the doctor?

02:26:44.000 Well, my question is, were you ever exposed to the scientific laws of the Bible, the Old Testament?

02:26:54.000 There are commandments, statutes, and judgments.

02:26:59.000 And you see, I believe that the Creator gave us a manual.

02:27:03.000 And the manual was to be used... Let me get a comment from him.

02:27:07.000 Doctor?

02:27:08.000 Yeah, actually I have a great deal of respect for the Old and New Testaments.

02:27:12.000 And I actually am teaching a religious education course about the Old and New Testaments at the local Unitarian Church.

02:27:18.000 So I think it's very important for My own kids and for all of us to understand the cultural contributions of the Bible, sure.

02:27:27.000 Doc, just a few more callers and we'll plug your book again.

02:27:31.000 Thanks, Sinead.

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02:30:47.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

02:30:53.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

02:30:58.000 That's right, the dehumanization slave grid's in place.

02:31:01.000 They're just enforcing it daily.

02:31:02.000 We've got to warn the people so we can escape the pens as quickly as possible and resist the enemy.

02:31:10.000 Well, I only have time to take four or five calls.

02:31:12.000 We'll go to Dr. Deagle, then Linda, Bart, George.

02:31:16.000 So that's all the time I have to take.

02:31:17.000 I'm sorry to all the other callers.

02:31:18.000 Real quick, Dr. William Deagle, we've had him on before.

02:31:20.000 He advised Homeland Security, worked in a lot of classified programs, and advised Homeland Security, and he's been in a lot of these meetings.

02:31:28.000 Reported news here that later came out in the mainstream about the Roundup plans, the forced inoculation plans.

02:31:33.000 Dr. Deagle called, and he got a comment for Dr. James J. Hughes.

02:31:38.000 Go ahead, Dr. Diegel, who's a medical doctor.

02:31:40.000 Diegel, go ahead.

02:31:42.000 Yeah, thanks very much.

02:31:43.000 My comment and question would be that it sounds like it's high-minded to be a civil rights advocate for the transhumanist.

02:31:51.000 That doesn't mean you can't get a hip replacement, but what he's proposing, and I'm going to get down to the nub of this, is civil rights for all living things with all boundaries between species broken.

02:32:05.000 And what it will result in is the creation, as I've seen classified documents, to create cyborg soldiers, to create a caste system within our culture.

02:32:13.000 Yeah, it's going to be like India. 0.99

02:32:15.000 Look at the fruits of that country. 0.89

02:32:16.000 Hell itself.

02:32:17.000 Right.

02:32:18.000 And he's a Buddhist, and you know, the cows are walking around. 0.95

02:32:21.000 Exactly.

02:32:21.000 It also is going to create a situation where I know, about classified research going on in anti-aging technologies, Some of them are very benign and very cruel.

02:32:30.000 I told you last time you were on, don't get into that stuff that's classified.

02:32:33.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:32:34.000 But the thing is that this technology is going to extend human lifespan within the next five years by triple or more.

02:32:40.000 I agree.

02:32:41.000 Without making new sub-races or super-races, The elite want to make a super race that basically rules over us for millennia.

02:32:51.000 They're in love with a Nietzschean beast man.

02:32:54.000 I think you've got an absolutely important point there and that is that We need to make sure that the human race moves forward together.

02:33:03.000 It won't do for some of us to become... But you think the state should be able to force drug us?

02:33:06.000 It won't do for some of us to become super beings.

02:33:08.000 You're against them having total control, but you want to give them all the tools to do it?

02:33:11.000 Well, the problem is that people are not going to make, even if they think they're making correct judgments.

02:33:16.000 And I'm going to go back to the quote of the lady earlier that talked about the rules in the Old and the New Testament.

02:33:21.000 And the rule in the Old Testament was, You shall not mix the species and what's going on is what happens when you make a transhuman mouse that has a human brain in it? 0.99

02:33:29.000 What happens when you make a transhuman bear or another animal that it basically thinks, talks, and has a voice box and new neurons that allow them to do things that are human? 0.92

02:33:39.000 Let me set that aside for a question and just ask, do you think that we should all be able to live as long as Methuselah?

02:33:45.000 I don't see any problem with that at all.

02:33:46.000 I don't think that is the issue.

02:33:48.000 What I'm concerned about is not the issue of whether or not we live longer.

02:33:50.000 It's going to go the bad way, period.

02:33:52.000 It's going to go bad.

02:33:53.000 I can tell you this from being on the inside.

02:33:55.000 It is already planned and they've already done research.

02:33:57.000 They succeeded in cloning human beings over 25 years ago.

02:34:01.000 All of the classified research that I've personally seen It's so horrendous you can't even imagine it.

02:34:06.000 And unfortunately it's not available to university professors at the regular secular level because they don't understand.

02:34:11.000 It may be used for evil, it will not be used for good.

02:34:14.000 Doctor, let me ask you this.

02:34:16.000 Which do you think is the better way to assure that that bad outcome doesn't happen?

02:34:21.000 Wait, wait, just let me, the two options I see are to ban civilian use of these technologies or to encourage widespread access to these technologies.

02:34:30.000 Which do you think is a better way to go?

02:34:31.000 I think what we have to do is do something different than either one of those options, which is, number one, we need to, as a human race, make a judgment, as a human race, to actually listen to the wisdom of the Old Testament, which is, if you create new creatures, you're going to have things like the P-E-R-V gene get out of pigs and kill millions.

02:34:50.000 You're going to create new types of catastrophes that are going to cause tremendous cultural and other damage.

02:34:56.000 I mean, look at movies like the Star Wars and the War of the Clones.

02:34:59.000 If we don't think these things are in our future, or thousands of subspecies and superspecies of humanoid beings a thousand years from now, this is what's going to result, and it will not be pleasant.

02:35:09.000 It will be a result in wars and rumors of wars for millennia between these various different types of - Dr. Deagle, I want to thank you for your points.

02:35:17.000 Good to hear from you.

02:35:18.000 Maybe we can have you two guys on for a debate sometime.

02:35:20.000 Let's talk to Linda in Texas. 1.00

02:35:25.000 Linda, go ahead. - Hi.

02:35:27.000 I would like to know where the freedom of choice is for parents when all of our foods are loaded with artificial flavors and colors which are made out of petrochemicals And that's what causes the ADD.

02:35:42.000 Yes, the petrochemicals, the food additives, which we don't seem to have a choice over because the FDA protects the food industry, is actually drugging our children Don't they sell organic vegetables in your local market?

02:35:56.000 They do in mine.

02:35:57.000 I think it's a wonderful idea.

02:35:59.000 I'm talking about the majority of Americans.

02:36:02.000 There's a drop in the bucket.

02:36:04.000 But there is a shift towards the organic.

02:36:06.000 I think if people want to eat Cheetos, they probably have a right to eat Cheetos, as long as it's not making people drop dead immediately.

02:36:13.000 But I think it's up to parents to decide what to feed their kids.

02:36:15.000 And I think parents should be educated about the potential health risks of different kinds of foods for their kids.

02:36:20.000 And then we should allow parents to make those decisions.

02:36:23.000 Why not just have industry take out those petrochemicals that they are in fact drugs?

02:36:28.000 There should be laws against poison in the food.

02:36:30.000 Yeah.

02:36:30.000 Absolutely.

02:36:31.000 It's not very radical.

02:36:32.000 And I'm fully for the Food and Drug Administration.

02:36:35.000 But they built their own bot that's a revolving door!

02:36:38.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:36:40.000 Big corporations have far too much influence over the Food and Drug Administration.

02:36:43.000 We saw that with Vioxx and we've seen it with all kinds.

02:36:45.000 This is one of the big problems with the Bush Administration is that they take all the corporate lobbyists and lawyers and they stick them in to be regulators for these industries.

02:36:53.000 Yeah, but Clinton did that too. 1.00

02:36:54.000 It's both parties.

02:36:55.000 We don't get good regulation out of that kind of a system.

02:36:57.000 Two more calls, Doc, and then I'm going to let you go.

02:36:59.000 I appreciate all the time.

02:37:00.000 Barton, Texas.

02:37:01.000 Bart, go ahead.

02:37:03.000 What I'd like to say is that hell itself has been built on pragmatism and much like one of your callers that was a New Ager that called in last week, I really feel the doctor has been blinded by the potential of these technologies and is not understanding... Yeah, he's caught up in the gray and he's going to get sucked into the black. 0.99

02:37:22.000 Well, but there's a line between technological advancement and fundamentally altering the human race.

02:37:29.000 You know, the buggy whip argument doesn't fly with me Because you're talking about changing the human mind.

02:37:36.000 Oh, the doctor wants to!

02:37:37.000 He thinks it's great!

02:37:38.000 No, but I know.

02:37:39.000 I know he thinks it's great, but I'm saying the dangers in doing that are unlimited.

02:37:43.000 You know, you can even look at popular culture, like movies like Gattaca or Ghost in the Shell, where essentially, you know, in one, the human mind is no longer solid.

02:37:52.000 Well, I think from this we've gotten a solution.

02:37:56.000 Instead of debates about which Super Bowl commercial is our favorite, we should be having a real debate daily in society about this.

02:38:05.000 I think science fiction movies are entertainment.

02:38:08.000 They don't really tell us what's going to happen in the future.

02:38:10.000 The science fiction of 25 years ago is the reality today.

02:38:13.000 Art imitates life, and life imitates life.

02:38:15.000 I don't see the giant ants eating Cleveland yet, but, you know... You can use whatever example you want.

02:38:21.000 I do see space stations and satellites.

02:38:26.000 I'm a great fan of science fiction.

02:38:31.000 I think we can learn a lot from it.

02:38:32.000 But for every dystopian science fiction novel or movie you can come up with, there was also a positive one.

02:38:38.000 Well, atom bombs were science fiction and they're real, and I asked the folks at Japan how great it is.

02:38:44.000 Kevin, you're talking about opening up the human mind.

02:38:46.000 I mean, what happens when we are all connected via computers?

02:38:50.000 I mean, you can have any hacker hack into a computer.

02:38:52.000 What's to keep somebody hacked?

02:38:53.000 We're all connected by computers.

02:38:55.000 Let me add one other thing.

02:38:56.000 We're all connected by computers right now, and we have the problems of spam.

02:38:59.000 That whole argument about the government already has all your personal data, so so what if they get more?

02:39:03.000 I mean, that's like saying you've got one leg that's cut off, so let's cut the other off.

02:39:07.000 We have the problems of spam and personal privacy and computer viruses.

02:39:11.000 Don't worry, the UN will save us with the tax.

02:39:14.000 So we're going to enlarge that problem to include our personal minds and thoughts?

02:39:17.000 So let me ask you, is your solution to the problem to get rid of computers?

02:39:21.000 No, my solution to the problem is not to create technologies that go beyond all bounds of... Okay, well I'm saying... Cool!

02:39:27.000 You know, we have the computer, that's an object that's outside of myself.

02:39:32.000 Whatever problems it creates in the future to have the ability to directly communicate with our computers from our brains, Those problems will be as manageable as we find today, computer viruses and all the other problems that computers bring today.

02:39:46.000 There's nothing profoundly different that's going to change, is what I'm saying.

02:39:49.000 We've been changing, we've been creating external devices to help our brains compute since we wrote down the first written language.

02:39:56.000 Yeah, but not altering the brain itself or hooking it into some government control.

02:39:59.000 As soon as we wrote down written language, we were saying we don't have to memorize these things anymore.

02:40:03.000 It wiped out the whole profession of storytelling.

02:40:06.000 You can't compare writing to having everyone have a chip put in their head by law.

02:40:11.000 Thanks for the call.

02:40:12.000 I appreciate it.

02:40:14.000 Last call, George in Illinois.

02:40:16.000 Go ahead, George.

02:40:19.000 You're a dangerous man, but I don't think you're a mean man, and I think you're a doctor of politics versus a doctor of science, and I prove it to you.

02:40:26.000 If you would subscribe later as a doctor, they will revoke your license.

02:40:32.000 Although thousands and tens of thousands of people in other countries are being cured of cancer.

02:40:37.000 And the quick question I have with you is, is cancer caused by a virus or by bacteria?

02:40:42.000 What is it?

02:40:43.000 Well, I'm a sociologist, not a medical doctor, but I do have an opinion about... Most are caused by viruses and tissue that's already replicated many times and unable to resist the virus.

02:40:54.000 It's a deficient disease, and if we would get the right food in our bodies, we could all be healthy people.

02:41:00.000 But because it's a multi-billion dollar industry, they don't want to find the cure.

02:41:05.000 That's the thing, I don't think the professor knows just how evil the controllers are.

02:41:09.000 He doesn't know anything, this professor here, unfortunately.

02:41:11.000 I'm a man of ten children and I wouldn't even go to you, doctor.

02:41:14.000 I really wouldn't.

02:41:15.000 I'm a medical doctor, so I wouldn't want you to come to me, but let me just say something about the FDA.

02:41:21.000 I think that the FDA has the right and responsibility, as we just said, to ensure that food and drugs in our society are safe.

02:41:27.000 But they don't!

02:41:28.000 Sometimes they don't because they've been corrupted by big corporations.

02:41:28.000 They're police states!

02:41:31.000 All they want to do is take our vitamins! 1.00

02:41:33.000 And sometimes they don't because they've been corrupted by big corporations, and sometimes their regulatory agencies are overly zealous, and sometimes they're not zealous enough.

02:41:39.000 How about the aspartame?

02:41:41.000 How about the red food dye?

02:41:42.000 How about the unsaturated oils?

02:41:46.000 I know, but the answer is not to get rid of the FDA.

02:41:49.000 The answer is for the FDA to do a better job.

02:41:51.000 No, the FDA is in the way of the people because I don't want to be controlled by anybody else.

02:41:56.000 God gave me a brain to think for myself.

02:42:00.000 I understand that point of view, but I think our situation in this society would be a lot worse off if we didn't have the FDA.

02:42:06.000 George, you have 20 seconds.

02:42:07.000 Finish up.

02:42:10.000 We are God-given entities, and God gave us a brain, and he gave us a free choice.

02:42:15.000 I don't need you to tell me what I should do with my service.

02:42:18.000 And we're the most powerful thing on this planet, and the elite can't dominate us, so they want to set the trap for us to merge with their devices so they can control us.

02:42:26.000 And the battle cry now, smash the machines, Bavarian Jihad! 0.93

02:42:31.000 Listen, I appreciate your call, George, and I want to tell the professor, we're going to win, we're going to smash the new world order, and we're never going to stop.

02:42:40.000 Professor, you are the author of Citizen Cyborg.

02:42:44.000 Thank you for joining us.

02:42:45.000 My pleasure.

02:42:45.000 Take care.

02:42:47.000 Now you know the score, ladies and gentlemen, and we're going to win this fight.

02:42:51.000 And they are not going to win.

02:42:54.000 We are going to win.

02:42:56.000 With God's help.

02:42:57.000 And you know what you're facing.

02:42:59.000 Genetic, biometrics, all of it.

02:43:01.000 It's all here.

02:43:02.000 It's all amongst us.

02:43:03.000 And we must defeat them.

02:43:07.000 My humanity just cries out against this.

02:43:09.000 We're God-made creatures and they hate it.

02:43:12.000 The devil wants to make a counterfeit, wants to destroy God's creation.

02:43:16.000 And your Christian leaders are going to tell you to go along with this.

02:43:19.000 Don't go along with it.

02:43:21.000 Alright, let's go to Debbie Morrow, New Millennium Concepts, and I'll hit some final news.

02:43:25.000 Debbie, one thing we can do is quit drinking their water, can't we?

02:43:28.000 We sure can!

02:43:30.000 We can filter our water and be sure that we're getting good filtered water instead of a bunch of chlorine and other types of things that are found in your drinking water.

02:43:40.000 Take control of our bodies.

02:43:43.000 Take control of our good health.

02:43:45.000 You know, your body is over 70% water.

02:43:47.000 It would be good to put non-poisoned water in your body.

02:43:52.000 Well, according to him, or according to others, it just might be something flavorful.

02:43:56.000 Something what?

02:43:57.000 Flavorful?

02:43:58.000 No, there's nothing really bad to the brain.

02:43:59.000 It's just all... Well, you know, it's real funny because when I first came to work here in 1998, I always drank tap water, and I never would buy bottled water, and I was used to drinking chlorine.

02:44:13.000 So it became a real change for me to get used to not drinking flavored water.

02:44:19.000 You know, that's why you go to the store now and they sell all these flavored waters with a little grape or this or that in it.

02:44:25.000 Because people are so programmed to think that their water is supposed to taste like what comes out of the tap, you know?

02:44:33.000 Delicious sodium fluoride!

02:44:35.000 Right, we want to get those chemicals and everything out of the water and help heal your body.

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02:44:53.000 If you don't call Debbie right now and order one of the different models of the Big Berkey and some of the sport bottles and some of the other things they have to offer. 0.96

02:45:00.000 Tell them about the different goodies you have.

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02:45:09.000 Either a potassium iodate Berkey Sport Bottle or the movie Sheltering in Place.

02:45:15.000 Or you can get the Berkey Light with the lights for $2.59 and get two of them.

02:45:20.000 And I have had a few customers call and ask, what exactly is the Berkey?

02:45:25.000 So they said, please come on the air and explain what it is.

02:45:28.000 And what a Berkey is, it's a gravity water filter.

02:45:31.000 It holds two and a half gallons of water.

02:45:34.000 You fill it up through the top using a pitcher, you know, whatever you want to pour the water in with.

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02:45:48.000 It's very simple to use, but it works great.

02:45:51.000 It's very efficient, and it's very cost effective.

02:45:58.000 Also, some things people want to know about the Berkey's is does it take out fluoride?

02:46:02.000 And yes, we do have a post filter that takes out the fluoride.

02:46:05.000 Fluoride's really, really bad.

02:46:08.000 And it's very, very difficult to take out.

02:46:10.000 So it does require a secondary filter to take the fluoride out.

02:46:14.000 Well, that's why it's used as a chemical weapon. 0.98

02:46:16.000 That's right!

02:46:16.000 Exactly!

02:46:17.000 And why do we want to put that in our bodies?

02:46:19.000 I mean, we have enough challenges.

02:46:21.000 You know, chocolate tastes really good, and I love it.

02:46:23.000 You know, that's the challenge I can work on.

02:46:26.000 I don't want to work on fluoride challenge, you know?

02:46:29.000 Exactly.

02:46:30.000 Folks, give Debbie a call. 1.00

02:46:31.000 And if the phone's busy, leave your name and number.

02:46:32.000 She'll call you right back.

02:46:34.000 1-888-803-4438.

02:46:35.000 808-803-4438.

02:46:35.000 Or go to Berkeywater.com and in the comment section, tell them it's an Alex Jones special.

02:46:44.000 And tell them what free gifts you want that are listed there at Berkeywater.com.

02:46:48.000 Or give her a call.

02:46:50.000 At 888-803-4438 or just keep giving your family and your children poison and just ignore what we say and just believe your loving government.

02:47:02.000 888-803-4438.

02:47:02.000 Debbie, thanks for coming on.

02:47:03.000 Thank you, Alex.

02:47:05.000 Appreciate it.

02:47:05.000 Thanks for holding while I finished up with that professor.

02:47:08.000 It was so interesting.

02:47:10.000 I was really glad to listen.

02:47:11.000 Thanks.

02:47:11.000 Well, thank you.

02:47:12.000 It'll re-air tonight for folks that want to hear it.

02:47:14.000 Okay.

02:47:15.000 Bye-bye.

02:47:15.000 God bless you.

02:47:16.000 All right, folks.

02:47:17.000 I want to come back and hit a smattering of other really important news that we covered a little bit in the first hour, but a lot of it I haven't even mentioned.

02:47:26.000 So I'll rattle through some of that on the other side.

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02:51:38.000 I don't want to store shells yet.

02:51:52.000 But we've got it.

02:51:54.000 This popular mechanics piece that's coming out.

02:51:56.000 I'm going to analyze it later this week.

02:52:00.000 Please don't go buy it.

02:52:01.000 Please don't spend money on it.

02:52:03.000 It's like a huge 16-page demonization piece filled with propaganda and half-truths.

02:52:09.000 They built a straw man of false information and attacked it. 0.81

02:52:14.000 And it's pretty sick, folks. 0.99

02:52:16.000 Pretty darn sick.

02:52:17.000 But we're going to be documenting this and going over it. 0.96

02:52:22.000 The era of big government is back under Bush.

02:52:25.000 A new $2.6 trillion budget.

02:52:27.000 Normally the budgets are about 10-20% bigger than what they actually pass.

02:52:31.000 So we're looking at $3 trillion.

02:52:34.000 Or perhaps more, but right now $2.6 trillion.

02:52:36.000 Being hailed, the biggest budget ever, as cuts.

02:52:39.000 Because they're making a few cuts.

02:52:40.000 Oh, why?

02:52:41.000 Bush is a conservative.

02:52:42.000 He just radically increased the budget.

02:52:45.000 Tell you, you've got to learn the double think out there to be normal, I guess, nowadays.

02:52:51.000 Also, Dolly Scientist gets human cloning license.

02:52:54.000 AP, the British government, on Tuesday gave the creator of Dolly the Sheep a human cloning license for medical research.

02:53:00.000 It is the second such license approved since Britain became the first country to legalize research cloning in 2001.

02:53:08.000 Again, it is not the first country.

02:53:12.000 And we have California and New Jersey passing it two years ago, so there you have it.

02:53:18.000 More disinformation.

02:53:20.000 Also, Bon Jovi backs President Schwarzenegger.

02:53:22.000 Rock star Jon Bon Jovi is a staunch Liberal Democrat.

02:53:26.000 But he may be turning over a new leaf.

02:53:28.000 He's now backing Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger for President.

02:53:31.000 Though no one has yet to tell Bon Jovi that the U.S.

02:53:34.000 Constitution forbids the Governor from running for President, the rocker says he would jump the Democratic ship to help Arnold.

02:53:40.000 This is more than a celebrity news item. 1.00

02:53:43.000 Bon Jovi has been a major player in the last two presidential races, holding concerts And appearing at rallies for both Al Gore and John Kerry, Bon Jovi is an idiot. 0.99

02:53:54.000 I'm sorry. 0.96

02:53:54.000 Bon Jovi played the role of crowd builder at the closing days of each campaign. 0.96

02:53:59.000 He's an... Ugh, I can't stand him.

02:54:01.000 Perhaps Bon Jovi is getting tired of his free concerts and wants to back a winner next time.

02:54:06.000 Bon Jovi says, I would vote for him right now.

02:54:09.000 I've known him for a long time.

02:54:10.000 I think he's a brilliant man.

02:54:12.000 On and off the cameras, and he's the most hardworking, the most focused I've ever seen.

02:54:17.000 He knows more about our country, having come to this country as an Austrian.

02:54:21.000 He's better than us, than a lot of people who have never been to our Statue of Liberty.

02:54:26.000 Forget the history concept.

02:54:29.000 He understands what it is to come from nothing, and he knows very well what it is to have everything.

02:54:35.000 He came from a working construction worker in Santa Monica.

02:54:39.000 I think he's a well-rounded background.

02:54:42.000 I've been in a room with him.

02:54:43.000 And talk about people that light up the room, I think world leaders are gonna come to see him the same way.

02:54:50.000 Pretty sick stuff.

02:54:52.000 Stormin Marxist is toast of the neocons, London Times.

02:54:58.000 An obscure Marxist professor who has spent his entire academic life in Manchester has become the darling of Washington right wing for his outspoken support of the war on Iraq.

02:55:07.000 Well, the neocons are all Trotskyites, folks.

02:55:10.000 You didn't know that?

02:55:11.000 Despite his leanings, Norman Grias, who writes a blog diary on the internet, has praised President Bush and says the invasion of Iraq was necessary to oust the tyrannical regime of Saddam Hussein that our government put in.

02:55:24.000 And his daily jottings have brought him to the nickname of Stormin' Norm from the title of his daily Norm blog.

02:55:30.000 The Wall Street Journal has reprinted one of his articles in the online edition of American Pundits often cite his words.

02:55:37.000 So see, everybody being cited are communists.

02:55:41.000 See how this scrambles your left-right paradigm?

02:55:45.000 Again, a $2.6 trillion budget, biggest ever by hundreds of billions, is smaller government!

02:55:52.000 Having in your guns is conservative. 1.00

02:55:55.000 Worshipping the UN is conservative, and being an idiot is conservative. 1.00

02:55:59.000 So don't call me a conservative. 1.00

02:56:01.000 Call me a freedom lover, fighting the pack of liberals, the pack of conservatives, all those that want me and my family to be their slaves.

02:56:09.000 Also, there was an article out of the Fort Wayne newspaper, where when you go in the hospital, you're going to have to have a microchip inserted under you, but that's no big deal.

02:56:18.000 It's for your safety.

02:56:20.000 Things change, you know?

02:56:21.000 Gotta have a chip.

02:56:22.000 Ha ha ha!

02:56:24.000 Now listen to those criminals that are against it. 0.90

02:56:26.000 They should be put in FEMA camps. 0.97

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02:56:30.000 Back tonight, 9 to midnight.

Alex Jones Show - February 16, 2005

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