Alex Jones Show - 20050329_Tue_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

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00:00:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:38.000 Thank you so much for joining us live on this Tuesday edition.

00:00:42.000 The 29th day of March 2005.

00:00:47.000 We'll be live for the next three hours right here on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:53.000 And we're going to take a lot of your phone calls in this first hour.

00:00:56.000 I know many of you are chomping at the bit to talk about the Terri Schiavo Schindler case.

00:01:02.000 And she is clearly in her last days.

00:01:06.000 Or end of days.

00:01:08.000 Not long for this world, as they say.

00:01:11.000 A true travesty of justice.

00:01:14.000 A true public execution and torture.

00:01:19.000 It is truly brutal.

00:01:23.000 Also, we'll be talking about the huge earthquake yesterday.

00:01:26.000 They first said it was an 8.3.

00:01:27.000 By the end of the day it was an 8.7 and hundreds are dead.

00:01:34.000 On top of all of this, the Times of London is reporting depressed Coffey Annan close to quitting over U.N.

00:01:42.000 scandals.

00:01:44.000 And who's waiting in the wings?

00:01:47.000 Bill Clinton!

00:01:49.000 William Jefferson Clinton!

00:01:52.000 And we've got Wolfie Wits, clearly going to be our new World Bank head.

00:01:58.000 They're putting in the The little neocons left and right.

00:02:02.000 And by neocons, Bill Clinton was for the war in Serbia, the neocon idea.

00:02:07.000 Bill Clinton is all for the Iraq war.

00:02:11.000 And George Bush has been protecting him all along, blocking release of documents, ordering Congress, which I didn't think the executive could do, to not investigate Clinton.

00:02:22.000 So we'll get into the geopolitical landscape and what it's shaping up.

00:02:27.000 Ebola-like virus deaths in Angola, A rising travel warning issued.

00:02:34.000 That will be very serious if any of that stuff ever spreads over here.

00:02:39.000 And we'll get into not just the earthquake yesterday, but how earthquakes are at record levels in recorded history right now.

00:02:50.000 We've had two of the biggest earthquakes in recorded history just in the last four months.

00:02:58.000 Less than four months.

00:03:00.000 Yes.

00:03:02.000 And at the same time, there's a whole bunch of new developments concerning Terri Schiavo.

00:03:10.000 Terri's demonstrating her will to live, follow the Constitution, Governor Bush, grant clemency to Terri Schiavo Schindler. 0.65

00:03:21.000 At the same time, different law enforcement groups are calling for a criminal investigation and a freeze on the dehydration and murder of Terri Schiavo Schindler.

00:03:34.000 But as we learned over the weekend, they were already sending state police to rescue her, but the little Pinellas Park police said they were going to have a standoff with them, and even joked how many of us can hold off the National Guard, and Jeb Bush did absolutely nothing.

00:03:50.000 He can harden drug dealers.

00:03:54.000 His brother can pardon drug dealers and murderers.

00:03:58.000 Bill Clinton can do it, but we can't do it for this woman. 1.00

00:04:01.000 And it's been said a thousand times, I'll say it again, you can't execute an ex-murderer the way they're executing Terry.

00:04:10.000 And I've heard so much incredible spin.

00:04:12.000 The Associated Press is reporting that, oh, she's being cared for and treated at the hospital, and she's only had her food taken away.

00:04:22.000 Well, no.

00:04:22.000 She's had her food and water taken away.

00:04:25.000 And she's not being cared for.

00:04:27.000 She's being murdered! 0.96

00:04:29.000 So stop redefining reality.

00:04:32.000 Stop editing reality.

00:04:34.000 Stop engaging in these semantical frauds.

00:04:41.000 There is so much other key news and information coming up.

00:04:45.000 We have a big guest in the second hour.

00:04:48.000 This so happens to be a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:04:53.000 They'll be talking about torture with us.

00:04:56.000 You don't want to miss that.

00:04:57.000 Stay with us.

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00:08:01.000 From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

00:08:08.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:12.000 All right, second segment, 8 minutes, 25 seconds into this first hour.

00:08:26.000 All right.

00:08:28.000 That confuses some people.

00:08:30.000 They say, second segment, we just tuned in to you.

00:08:32.000 We were just listening to the news.

00:08:34.000 I think it's fine if our affiliates carry the news.

00:08:38.000 But to be quite frank with you folks, we cover the real news in the first five minutes of each hour.

00:08:46.000 We cover a lot more news than you hear on most of these news feeds on the different networks out there.

00:08:53.000 Some of the broadcasts on our network choose to have news play before their shows.

00:08:59.000 And that's their prerogative.

00:09:01.000 But I choose to not have it because more of our stations do want that first little five minute segment and they opt out of the supposed news and just get it here.

00:09:14.000 So we are into our second segment now and I do have a Council on Foreign Relations member His book is published by the Council on Foreign Relations, that organization openly calling for world government with most prominent members of academia, finance, government, media, the arts being members of it.

00:09:36.000 And this member of the CFR has written a book that I agree with against torture.

00:09:43.000 And so we're going to be having him on to talk about torture and who knows, maybe a little bit about the CFR.

00:09:51.000 Because the CFR, of course, does have its token good members in it.

00:09:57.000 I guess kind of for PR purposes, but this is an interview you do not want to miss coming up in the middle of the next hour.

00:10:04.000 Well, at the start of the next hour, in the middle of the broadcast.

00:10:08.000 The middle third of this transmission against tyranny.

00:10:12.000 Boy, I tell you, I'm awake now.

00:10:15.000 I had just gotten some coffee kind of late in the morning.

00:10:21.000 I had it sitting up here on my broadcast desk and for some reason was grabbing at some papers under the stack and knocked the whole giant brimming container that I just got at the Rockefeller Exxon into my lap.

00:10:38.000 Yes, I was up late working last night.

00:10:41.000 I did the Jeff Wrench radio program and then did about three hours of research after that.

00:10:46.000 So I went to sleep about 3 a.m.

00:10:48.000 Still got up pretty early this morning, but never got around to making any coffee.

00:10:52.000 So when I left the house and went to the office, I pulled in and got some coffee and just a few minutes after I had gotten into the studio in the middle of that last break, spilt it into my lap.

00:11:02.000 So I am, I think, more awake now than if I would have drunk that coffee.

00:11:08.000 Alright, enough with the mindless issues.

00:11:11.000 I don't think you tune in to hear me talk about coffee, do you?

00:11:15.000 Bill in Ireland, and Kenneth in Louisiana, James in North Carolina, Johnny in Canada, John in Texas.

00:11:21.000 We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.

00:11:23.000 I want to do things a little bit different today.

00:11:26.000 I normally go to calls about 30 minutes into the broadcast.

00:11:28.000 We're just going to go to your calls basically immediately.

00:11:30.000 And then I'll get into Depressed Annan.

00:11:33.000 That's Coffee Annan.

00:11:36.000 For those educated in the government training camps.

00:11:39.000 Close to quitting over U.N.

00:11:41.000 scandals.

00:11:44.000 And a lot of our conservative listeners are probably saying, hooray!

00:11:47.000 Hip hip hooray! 1.00

00:11:48.000 I mean, Kofi Annan's involved in white slavery rings.

00:11:52.000 Kofi Annan's involved in bid rigging and scamming and U.N.

00:11:55.000 food for oil frauds. 0.96

00:11:58.000 He's horrible! 1.00

00:11:59.000 Sex orgies at the U.N. 1.00

00:12:02.000 He's horrible! 1.00

00:12:03.000 They're all horrible! 0.98

00:12:04.000 He's a lot better, though, than Kirk Valtime, the SS officer who hunted down American soldiers and killed them. 0.99

00:12:11.000 He's like a demon compared to Satan. 0.92

00:12:14.000 Yes, he's of hell, but is he the worst? 0.91

00:12:17.000 Of course, there really is no lesser of two evils, so it's all part and parcel of the same flock of blackbirds.

00:12:26.000 At the same time, we have Kofi Annan talking about leaving, and Bill Clinton's lined up.

00:12:32.000 He's got six of the G8, excuse me, seven of the G8 lined up.

00:12:37.000 It's been in major publications for four years that Lord Clinton wants to be Secretary General, and it's the U.S.' 's turn.

00:12:44.000 The U.S.

00:12:46.000 has never had a Secretary General.

00:12:51.000 Never had a Secretary General, and so We're going to get into why this is shaping up to happen.

00:12:59.000 Of course, Ebola-like virus deaths rise in Angola.

00:13:04.000 Travel warning issued.

00:13:06.000 Hundreds died in the Indonesian quake that was an 8.7 right in the same area as the quake that killed hundreds of thousands via tsunamis back on the 26th of December.

00:13:19.000 And hundreds are confirmed dead.

00:13:21.000 They're saying thousands may have died, but not from rising water this time, but from collapsing buildings.

00:13:27.000 In some areas, some of the islands that were hit by quakes, the quake went on for six minutes.

00:13:34.000 The question is, is this a precursor to something larger?

00:13:39.000 Volcanic and tectonic activity is at world record levels.

00:13:45.000 Lot of new Terri Schiavo developments as well.

00:13:49.000 Fathers of Schiavo weak but responding.

00:13:53.000 And now the blood is reportedly coming out of her mouth, her eyes, other areas. 0.62

00:14:00.000 Her skin is flaking off in big cracks.

00:14:04.000 You talk about brutal torture, this is it.

00:14:06.000 But she's still responding.

00:14:08.000 Still fighting.

00:14:11.000 And I am just totally disgusted.

00:14:15.000 Some people have been saying, why am I so concerned about this?

00:14:22.000 150,000 Iraqis have died just since the liberation.

00:14:28.000 Over a million in the 13 years of sanctions.

00:14:31.000 We have 50 million abortions in this country.

00:14:34.000 They're killing people by having their feeding tubes taken, who are openly begging for food and water.

00:14:39.000 It's in regional papers every week.

00:14:42.000 Why are we focusing so much on Terry?

00:14:44.000 Because the globalists decided, the social architects decided, to make her a poster child for death.

00:14:53.000 To redefine terms using Terry.

00:14:57.000 Because she's a dear, sweet creature, who was, now I've got other affidavits and medical reports by doctors, do you know ten years ago they were able to get her up and help her that she could walk?

00:15:10.000 A bunch of other affidavits about her eating, other affidavits about her talking, but anybody who doesn't get rehabilitation isn't going to get better.

00:15:22.000 We already know the details of this.

00:15:24.000 It's just so brutal to watch this happening and so painful.

00:15:31.000 Terry went six and a half, seven days without water back in 2003.

00:15:37.000 Perhaps he could come back now, but he'll never allow her to have rehabilitation.

00:15:42.000 I would say, from the medical experts we've talked to, that it's irreparable what they've done to this young lady.

00:15:50.000 They have tortured her just brutally.

00:15:54.000 We'll get into it later.

00:15:56.000 Right now, let's go to Bill in Ireland, in the Emerald Isle, I believe they call it.

00:16:02.000 Welcome, Bill.

00:16:03.000 Yes, thanks.

00:16:05.000 I'd just like to say on the Terry Schieffer thing that I have two numbers for people to give out.

00:16:10.000 I mean, she is still conscious.

00:16:12.000 Yesterday, from news reports I heard, she raised her arm to greet an old friend that came into the room to see her.

00:16:21.000 She's definitely fighting hard.

00:16:24.000 I mean, I think we should still try to save her.

00:16:26.000 But 10, 11 days without water, it kills most people.

00:16:32.000 Well, as you said, she was through this before, so she has inner strength.

00:16:37.000 She was given Holy Communion, so she has spiritual strength too.

00:16:43.000 I've gotten a lot of emails and personal friends have called me, and there have been historical cases of this.

00:16:48.000 We should all pray for her and pray for a miracle.

00:16:51.000 You know, but even if she stood up and started walking right now, even though she hasn't been allowed outside for five years, and haven't let them brush her teeth for ten years, and won't let them treat her bed sores for a decade, even if she stood up and started walking, they'd say, oh, well, this is just her nerves doing this.

00:17:12.000 I mean, they'd spin it.

00:17:13.000 Yes, but I think pressure still helps.

00:17:17.000 I remember when I was driving around Los Angeles some years ago in 1993, Listen to Rush Limbaugh, he gave out the White House number and it was about the homosexuals in the army or whatever it was, the issue at that time.

00:17:31.000 And people that Clinton wanted to bring up, or bring in.

00:17:36.000 So everybody called the White House, millions of people.

00:17:38.000 But have you noticed now that Bush is in and doing it, it's not a problem, now that Bush wants women in frontline combat, it's okay. 0.74

00:17:45.000 Yeah, they've done away with the don't ask, don't tell thing, have they?

00:17:49.000 Basically.

00:17:50.000 Look, it's all window dressing, but go ahead.

00:17:52.000 Yeah, I just want to say, people should keep calling.

00:17:55.000 This is the number for Jeb Bush, the governor of the Pontius Pilate of Florida.

00:17:59.000 It's 850-488-2272.

00:18:00.000 And let me give that to you again.

00:18:01.000 850-488-2272.

00:18:01.000 Everybody should ring, and it's going to be a busy line, but keep ringing.

00:18:04.000 to give that to you again 850-488-2272 everybody should ring and it's going to be a busy line but keep ringing keep those lines that line tied up and you know bring it to a standstill The other number, when you're finished calling him, call the President, Bush, in the White House.

00:18:25.000 His number is 202-456-1414.

00:18:30.000 Alright, listen.

00:18:32.000 Bill, I appreciate the call.

00:18:34.000 Did you know two days ago, a little baby had his food and support taken away and died in Texas because Bush, before he left, One of his last actions was to pass this cost-saving measure, where when you're a ward of the state, or when you're having your medical care paid for by the state, they will take your feeding tube, take your support away.

00:19:01.000 And why I think we should call for Terry Schindler, known as Shivo, we should also expose the fact that This is very hypocritical what Bush and others have done, and that all of these lives are just as valuable.

00:19:21.000 When we come back, we'll talk to John and Johnny and James and Kenneth and many others.

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00:19:26.000 And I'm going to go to your calls quickly, because I want to get everybody in here.

00:19:32.000 We've got a big guest coming up in the second hour.

00:19:37.000 But, I want to see people get as upset Next time I'm talking about somebody who's begging for food and water who can actually talk.

00:19:47.000 Honey, can I please have some water?

00:19:49.000 No, you're gonna die.

00:19:50.000 The Bioethics Board says so.

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00:24:28.000 But it's going to blow up in their face.

00:24:30.000 If Terry dies from the abuse they've been inflicting on her, if it continues much longer, she will be a martyr for the right to life and pro-life movement.

00:24:44.000 John in Texas, thanks for holding, go ahead.

00:24:46.000 Hi Alex.

00:24:47.000 Can you hear me?

00:24:48.000 Yes sir.

00:24:50.000 You know, when the Romans used to nail a guy to the cross to crucify him, it wasn't a nail that killed him, it was the lack of food, water, and his organs were shut down.

00:24:59.000 And it was a cruel death, and they knew it, that's why they did it.

00:25:01.000 So it sort of looks like we're living in a new Rome, don't it?

00:25:06.000 Well actually, what killed you was suffocation, generally.

00:25:11.000 Because you couldn't support uh... your diaphragm because you were hanging by your arms and that's why people were still alive usually uh... after five or six hours the romans would break your legs because sometimes people could still partially support themselves and give their diaphragm purchase you know hold themselves up but uh... you're right it was a very cruel form of torture and it's ranked right up there with that as far as I'm concerned when they slowly start somebody up like that and uh...

00:25:40.000 And it won't give them any kind of treatment or nothing.

00:25:42.000 It ranks up there with crucifixion.

00:25:44.000 No, you're absolutely right.

00:25:45.000 And they use a very sophisticated, lawyer-like, semantical spin when they say, well, she's going to feel euphoria.

00:25:55.000 And it's true. 0.56

00:25:56.000 Right before you go into a coma, generally, from dehydration, you will feel euphoric for a few minutes, a few hours.

00:26:04.000 But we're talking about days and weeks of torture before that.

00:26:07.000 So it's all semantical.

00:26:13.000 I know another trick that the Romans had was they used to take Christian babies and hang them from a long pole in the arena and let starving hyenas tear them apart. 0.97

00:26:20.000 Well that's true, but the Christians were with Al Qaeda though.

00:26:25.000 We had to stop Al-Qaeda. 0.82

00:26:27.000 But if you read what's been going on in these abortion clinics, with these partial birth abortions, especially where two-legged Irene is ripping them apart, I don't see any difference. 0.97

00:26:34.000 I just don't like the way this country's going.

00:26:36.000 Yep, hundreds of thousands of babies a year that could be adopted, no reason to kill them in the late third trimester.

00:26:43.000 Thanks for the call, John.

00:26:44.000 I hear you.

00:26:45.000 Johnny in Canada.

00:26:46.000 Johnny, welcome.

00:26:47.000 Hey, how's it going, Alex?

00:26:48.000 Good, sir.

00:26:49.000 I took a little vacation this weekend to visit some family for Easter, and I took a drive up the highway.

00:26:55.000 up here in BC and what I saw was I don't know it was weird it was about 50 or 60 military probably Canadian trucks that were coming down the highway different times they had weird what they look like I don't know if they were Russian or Dutch flags flying from parts of the of the truck just like tied to them Kind of like a little flag.

00:27:21.000 Well, there's always a lot of foreign troops doing maneuvers here in the United States, especially in the South and Southwest, but I don't know about what's going on up in Canada.

00:27:32.000 Well, I don't know.

00:27:33.000 I found it kind of weird until I saw a little something on resistancemanifesto.com, which talks about concentration camps, right?

00:27:42.000 And on one of their little slideshow things, I see this enemy prisoner of war compound Sign which is I guess a concentration camp and on one of these pictures is this flag Blue white and red.

00:27:57.000 I don't know what that means That's all check that out.

00:28:01.000 I appreciate the call Johnny.

00:28:03.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Kenneth in Louisiana.

00:28:06.000 Kenneth welcome Hello, we're Alex Hello, sir.

00:28:11.000 How we doing today?

00:28:12.000 Doing a radio broadcast and talking to you, so I'm doing pretty good.

00:28:15.000 Okie doke. 0.85

00:28:17.000 I thought I'd heard over the weekend on one of the news broadcasts that Governor Bush, with his office, was taking any suggestions from anybody that had any ideas on what they could do.

00:28:30.000 Well, that's true.

00:28:32.000 Look, this is what happened over the weekend.

00:28:36.000 Last week the Congress subpoenaed Terry and this little nothing judge said no. 0.84

00:28:44.000 Which is ridiculous.

00:28:46.000 Now, then the governor was going to send in the state police via abuse charges for an investigation, but didn't.

00:28:54.000 The governor could do this if he wanted to, he isn't.

00:28:57.000 He's just basically using it as a political set piece.

00:29:01.000 Yeah, it might be interesting if he stuck somebody from his office on air just to see what they had to say.

00:29:07.000 Well, they're pretty swamped.

00:29:08.000 I'm told it's hard to even get through to the Governor's office, period.

00:29:12.000 Much less get a spokesperson on.

00:29:14.000 And one other question I had, a few years ago, this thing about Bill Clinton and the head of the U.N.

00:29:21.000 had come up.

00:29:22.000 And somewhere I heard that if the country sits on the Security Council, you can't have anybody from that country be in the head of the U.N.

00:29:32.000 You know, I believe that's the case, but I'd have to check that out.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, if I mentioned it, I'd heard that, and maybe you could check it out.

00:29:40.000 I'm glad you raised that, because Bill Clinton says he wants to be Secretary General, and a lot of major publications say he's probably going to be the next person.

00:29:48.000 We'll be right back.

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00:33:24.000 Let's go straight back to the calls and talk to James in North Carolina.

00:33:27.000 James, hello.

00:33:28.000 Hey, how you doing?

00:33:31.000 I'm doing all right, James.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, but it makes it hard to do all right with hearing all this news.

00:33:37.000 Um, my father had, uh, they didn't know if he had Parkinson's disease or Alzheimer's, but he had to go to a rest home and they put him on feeding tubes and then with water and food, and then he naturally died of a heart attack.

00:33:58.000 And I say, "Why take these people off these things?

00:34:02.000 This is terrible." You know what this is leading up to.

00:34:06.000 Well, in a lot of cases, people are in bad shape, but then they get better about half the time.

00:34:12.000 Even when they're elderly, if they have to go on a feeding tube, they build their strength back up, and in many cases, you know, live another decade.

00:34:21.000 Yeah, I mean, my father used to sit there and eat.

00:34:24.000 Now, he wasn't like her, but he could sit in there and say, son, what did you have to eat today?

00:34:30.000 Because his swallowing and esophagus couldn't work anymore, so we fed him on Well, that happens to a lot of people.

00:34:41.000 In fact, my grandfather on my mother's side and my grandmother on my father's side both had strokes.

00:34:50.000 And they were both associated with having surgery, because that's how it always happens, blood clots.

00:34:55.000 And they both had their throats paralyzed where they couldn't eat.

00:34:58.000 And my grandmother went on trips all over the country, cooked food, I guess for about six, seven, eight years, longer than that, before she finally died.

00:35:09.000 But according to these bioethicists, they'd have just go ahead and kill her, because her life isn't valuable. 0.83

00:35:14.000 Thanks for the call.

00:35:17.000 But she toughed it out for a long time.

00:35:19.000 My grandfather, I guess he lived about five years after that happened, and he went from weighing about 250 pounds down to probably about 170.

00:35:32.000 He never got really, really skinny.

00:35:36.000 It wasn't fun, but he had a pretty good quality of life.

00:35:40.000 The point is, you don't want to get the government involved in, oh, you have quality, you don't have quality.

00:35:46.000 They're using the Terry Shadow Schindler case.

00:35:49.000 We say Schindler, folks, because her husband has left her for ten years, has another wife, has children.

00:35:56.000 Under any gauge of civil law, he has divorced her.

00:36:02.000 He has left her.

00:36:03.000 He has abandoned her.

00:36:05.000 And, of course, I don't know if you know the story.

00:36:07.000 Some people still that I talk to on the street, or who email me, don't know the story.

00:36:11.000 He said he wanted to rehabilitate her until he got the settlement.

00:36:16.000 $300,000 for himself and $700,000 for her.

00:36:19.000 As soon as he got the settlement, he totally changed and said, no more treatment, no more nothing. 1.00

00:36:24.000 When is that bitch going to die? 1.00

00:36:27.000 That's from the affidavit. 1.00

00:36:30.000 And she was responding very nicely to the treatment.

00:36:37.000 To the rehabilitation.

00:36:40.000 So, they're now redefining terms.

00:36:43.000 And it's very, very scary.

00:36:46.000 Let's go ahead now and talk to Dave in Wisconsin.

00:36:50.000 Dave, welcome.

00:36:51.000 Good day, anyway, Alex.

00:36:53.000 I just wanted to bring up a couple things.

00:36:56.000 I was down there at Pinellas Park for the last week, and I don't know if you knew that they had snipers on the roof.

00:37:03.000 Well listen, I mean we've gone out and had land rights rallies, second amendment rallies and they've had SWAT teams, I mean I've been walking and seen the rifle aimed at my head and I start waving at them and you know the guys laugh at me and I'm just walking around you know wearing a t-shirt and blue jeans no weapons with a bullhorn

00:37:31.000 But finally people did quote rush instead of one at a time being arrested with glasses of water yesterday and NPR did call it they said the violence escalated with the protesters implying that there had already been violence and then they went on to say when they rushed the police with glasses of water

00:37:58.000 Well, that's not violent, but there they are again, semantically manipulating the words.

00:38:04.000 Also, we were out there with a picture of Auschwitz, and we also brought up on the sign that it was P4, where they started with that secret program the Nazis did of starving children to death, disabled children.

00:38:18.000 And the press We went out with a Nazi flag and the press pretty much ignored us, though, for the most part.

00:38:25.000 They don't want to go that way.

00:38:26.000 They don't want to compare it to Nazi Germany.

00:38:30.000 Well, I've talked to other people that are there.

00:38:32.000 You'll have hundreds of people with anti-death signs, but the media, and I've seen it on the news and in AP and other snapshots, they will show the one or two signs that are for killing Terry.

00:38:46.000 Yeah, I heard one person say that there was about an equal amount of protesters on both sides, which was totally untrue.

00:38:53.000 The most I saw were six for killing Terry, and there was probably 200 to 300 on the other side at the time that she was saying this.

00:39:03.000 Well, when you notice, the news doesn't like to show wide shots of the crowd.

00:39:07.000 That's a trick they play.

00:39:09.000 Since you raised Hitler, since you brought up Adolf Hitler, Shortly after being elected, the Nazi doctrine was kill the old, the infirm, the psychologically unclean. 0.89

00:39:25.000 They called it racial sanitation.

00:39:30.000 And the first person that they publicly killed, now the Nazis for two years after getting into office were killing most of the people in the hospitals, taking their food and water away, giving injections to people that were paralyzed even from the chest down if they weren't politically connected.

00:39:52.000 This is part of the mainstream history books, but... Yeah, that was part of T4.

00:39:56.000 It was secret to keep it from the German people for a long time.

00:40:00.000 Exactly, until 1935.

00:40:02.000 And just like with the Schiavo case...

00:40:04.000 They picked a poster child, because they know that human beings interface on an individual basis.

00:40:10.000 So, through the image of one person, it's easier for us to get a concept.

00:40:15.000 Stalin said it.

00:40:17.000 One person dies, it's a tragedy.

00:40:20.000 Ten thousand die, it's a statistic.

00:40:21.000 So, this family, who were high-level Nazis, wrote a letter to the Fuhrer that was published in newspapers and put in newsreels, and Hitler talked about it in the national speech.

00:40:32.000 In 1935, when he then introduced this to the German people and went public, kind of the maiden voyage where they publicly launched it.

00:40:41.000 And Hitler read the letter on the air, and I've read a copy of the letter, and it was, Our son is totally unhappy. 1.00

00:40:48.000 He is an idiot. 1.00

00:40:49.000 That was the term for being retarded. 1.00

00:40:51.000 He was really autistic.

00:40:53.000 And all he does is walk around, you know, in the woods and murmur and say the same thing over and over again. 0.99

00:41:00.000 Oh please, Fuhrer, give us permission to kill him and rid the Reich of this, you know, of this... They use the same term that eugenics individuals used in this country. 0.93

00:41:14.000 So, Hitler said, all right, you can kill him. 0.97

00:41:18.000 And it was a loving, good thing that Fuhrer did. 0.99

00:41:20.000 And it was all over Nazi news.

00:41:23.000 And in America, Hitler was hailed by the eugenics crowd that runs Planned Parenthood today. 0.78

00:41:28.000 Margaret Sanger got awards from Hitler, gave awards to Hitler.

00:41:32.000 All of this.

00:41:33.000 And so you're absolutely right.

00:41:36.000 And then a few years later, they were basically killing everybody.

00:41:39.000 Yep.

00:41:40.000 And that's where we're headed.

00:41:41.000 If people don't get out there and try to stop them.

00:41:44.000 But notice they use these special cases to introduce it to the public.

00:41:50.000 Any other observations you made, Dave, while you were in Pinellas Park, Florida?

00:41:55.000 Yeah, I would say that the crowd was very peaceful, and I actually, for when they're in their murdering of a person, I thought they should have been a little more vocal and raucous, even though the family would have been a little Because they claimed we were disturbing the other patients at that hospice.

00:42:14.000 But, you know, people, if they love their family members, should get them out of that hospice.

00:42:19.000 Are you saying family members of other people in the hospice or the Schindlers?

00:42:23.000 Family members of both, as a matter of fact.

00:42:26.000 One lady, her aunt had died.

00:42:28.000 She said that we were upsetting other patients in there.

00:42:32.000 Well, you know, that's not your problem.

00:42:34.000 That's the problem of the people engaging in murder.

00:42:38.000 Absolutely.

00:42:39.000 Listen, I want to say this right now.

00:42:42.000 I'm tired of all the word manipulation.

00:42:44.000 I mean, that's the nature of what Eric Blair, known as George Orwell, wrote about in 1984.

00:42:50.000 They call it, in the news, she's being given treatment.

00:42:53.000 She's being given care in the hospice right now.

00:42:58.000 They get on the news and say, we can't give her water because it might hurt her. 0.96

00:43:02.000 Folks, I've actually heard them say this on national news.

00:43:06.000 They're changing all of these semantics around.

00:43:09.000 It's a fraud.

00:43:11.000 You're turning us into a deaf culture. 1.00

00:43:13.000 Totally.

00:43:14.000 They certainly are.

00:43:15.000 Anything else, Soty? 0.85

00:43:16.000 No, that would be all.

00:43:17.000 Thank you very much.

00:43:18.000 I have one last question.

00:43:19.000 What prompted you to get in your car and drive down there from Wisconsin?

00:43:24.000 Well, I looked at it myself and another pastor, as a matter of fact.

00:43:28.000 We looked at it as kind of a watershed case.

00:43:32.000 In that they want to, you know, basically get into the general public euthanasia.

00:43:37.000 No, you're right.

00:43:38.000 It's like Roe v. Wade.

00:43:41.000 It's being introduced to us, and now the next time we hear about it, we won't be as upset, and it'll also give us this feeling of defeatism, this feeling of it can't be stopped.

00:43:53.000 That's right, and that's exactly what they're doing.

00:43:55.000 They're going to shove it down our throats whether we like it or not.

00:43:58.000 And if you watch the National News and the spin they're putting on it, like you say, they're euphoric when they're going without food and water. 1.00

00:44:05.000 I mean, these idiots, I wish they'd go without food and water for a couple of days. 0.99

00:44:10.000 Well, I fasted one time, just because it is healthy to do occasionally, for four days. 1.00

00:44:17.000 Man, I did not enjoy it, but they say that not eating is nothing compared to not drinking.

00:44:23.000 Thanks for the call.

00:44:25.000 I really do appreciate that, and I appreciate you going down there.

00:44:28.000 You did the right thing.

00:44:30.000 God bless you, Dave.

00:44:32.000 Now, they know exactly what they're doing with this case.

00:44:36.000 John in Tennessee.

00:44:37.000 John, go ahead.

00:44:39.000 I have a question about Colonel Bogright filing affidavits of citizen's arrest against Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer but of course it did not succeed and Gritz was arrested for trying to bring water to Terry which serves no useful purpose.

00:44:55.000 Now to make a citizen's arrest a person must make physical contact with the arrestee and take them into custody.

00:45:03.000 But to file a legitimate criminal complaint and get the police to make an arrest It can only be filed with a judge in criminal court who holds an instant hearing on probable cause to determine if he should issue an arrest warrant.

00:45:16.000 But Gritz filed his affidavit with the prosecutor and Governor Bush, so it had no effect.

00:45:21.000 And my question is, as a military officer, Gritz is still in the Army Reserves, so is he an infiltrator that could subvert the arrest of... Well, his name is... he is Bo Gritz.

00:45:34.000 Just so you know, it's not Grits. 0.93

00:45:37.000 That's my take on it.

00:45:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:45:40.000 I understand.

00:45:40.000 It's tongue-in-cheek.

00:45:42.000 Was he sent to protect the massive insurance-reserved frauds in these medical death camps?

00:45:47.000 And to protect Bush and protect the genocide of 7,000 Americans every day in bed now, practice, and aborticide? 0.58

00:45:54.000 Or is he legitimate?

00:45:56.000 John, you know what?

00:45:59.000 I don't think Bo was down there for a bad reason.

00:46:03.000 I think he was down there because he's legitimately concerned and I appreciate your call.

00:46:10.000 Listen, I have nothing against Bo Grites. 1.00

00:46:12.000 I got in a big fight with him on air one time when he was a guest because he's arrogant and he won't admit that he was wrong about what he said about patriots on CNN.

00:46:23.000 But for those that don't know, remember the Teenager, or he was like a college student, 19 years old, who was bombing all over the Midwest.

00:46:37.000 Little mailbox bombs that, thank God, didn't hurt anybody.

00:46:42.000 And I looked at the bombs on TV, the map, and I said, that's almost a smiley face.

00:46:48.000 And then listeners emailed and said, have you seen Fight Club with Tyler Durgan?

00:46:54.000 Where they bomb the shape of smiley faces in buildings.

00:46:56.000 And I said, yep, this is some young drug head who thinks he's part of Fight Club.

00:47:03.000 And that is exactly what it was.

00:47:05.000 And we're on record predicting that.

00:47:07.000 Now we're on air saying what it is with basic criminology.

00:47:10.000 Thanks to you, the listeners, for putting our heads together.

00:47:13.000 That's what police do.

00:47:14.000 They get a bunch of detectives in a room and brainstorm for, you know, ten hours around coffee.

00:47:19.000 Well, that's what we did.

00:47:20.000 We had the answer. 0.92

00:47:22.000 When the government was sucking their thumbs and had no idea what was going on. 0.85

00:47:26.000 Well, Bo gets up on CNN.

00:47:29.000 This was like two or three years ago, so I forget all the details.

00:47:32.000 But he gets up basically out of the video clip somewhere and says, well this is this right-wing, militia-type, black helicopter crowd.

00:47:38.000 That's probably who's behind it.

00:47:41.000 Now, that's pretty suspect, and I don't know why he said that.

00:47:44.000 And then I got him up on the air and said he was wrong, and he said, no, I'm not wrong.

00:47:48.000 So that's why I don't interview Bo, I don't, uh, you know, I don't, I don't, uh, I mean, it was bad.

00:47:54.000 I mean, I've said stuff that's wrong before, nothing of that magnitude, but I'll say I'm wrong.

00:47:59.000 But I don't want to sit here and say, Bo's some government agent, and he's bad, and... And this brings me into a whole other subject, and we'll go to Jim and others.

00:48:09.000 I've heard people on the radio saying it's all a giant theatrical production.

00:48:16.000 That this is all a staged event and the Schindlers are in on it. 1.00

00:48:21.000 Folks, that is clearly not true.

00:48:23.000 I've interviewed the Schindlers three, four years ago. 0.63

00:48:27.000 You're right in the fact that you're saying that it's a theater.

00:48:31.000 That the media has decided to focus in on this.

00:48:35.000 But the Schindlers are good people. 1.00

00:48:37.000 And I'm really, you know, my heart goes out to them, but this happens.

00:48:44.000 Folks that are into the New World Order, into the Truth Movement, they get away from what they can prove, and they get off, so many times, quite frankly, into the absurd.

00:48:57.000 And that's why some people don't listen to us, because they've heard so many kooks out there, Who just extrapolate and basically with the most tenuous fragments of tertiary capillary evidence, start extrapolating and making stuff up.

00:49:18.000 When we've got just so many real things we can prove and focus in on.

00:49:24.000 And really, for the people out there that are attacking the Schindlers now, give me a break.

00:49:31.000 You really need to spend your time on better issues.

00:49:35.000 There are so many real things that are unbelievable that are happening.

00:49:41.000 Like that Cynthia McKinney clip we played from the House Armed Services Committee last week.

00:49:45.000 In a Rumsfeld, government run white slavery rings.

00:49:48.000 Trillions missing from the Pentagon.

00:49:51.000 9-11 war games.

00:49:52.000 I mean, this is real stuff.

00:49:54.000 Cancer viruses in the vaccines.

00:49:56.000 Real.

00:49:59.000 Genetic engineering of most of the crops, the patenting of the food chain, just hundreds of real things that are happening.

00:50:11.000 The free trade area of the Americas, national toll roads going in everywhere.

00:50:17.000 So many people, when I tune into other radio shows, when I go to other, quote, patriot websites, They don't talk about that stuff.

00:50:24.000 It's just all, this Patriot's bad, this Patriot's good, I like this person, I don't like that person.

00:50:32.000 You know, why does Alex Jones do these radio interviews with mainstream talk show hosts?

00:50:37.000 He's evil.

00:50:39.000 No, I'm going into their territory. 0.95

00:50:42.000 I'm engaging in information warfare.

00:50:48.000 It's just mind-blowing.

00:50:51.000 So come on, let's get our heads screwed on straight, and let's stick with the facts.

00:50:55.000 We'll be right back.

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00:56:33.000 Jim in Kansas.

00:56:35.000 Jim, go ahead.

00:56:36.000 Yes, Alex.

00:56:39.000 On this, from a humanistic point of view, I agree with everything you say about this Schindler case.

00:56:45.000 But, when you knock the judge on his decision, you're dead wrong.

00:56:50.000 Because, some time ago, we were converted from people to a resource.

00:56:56.000 Well, just because under Admiralty Law they've all declared us slave chattel of the state under a mercantile enterprise, doesn't mean that this parallel legal system they've built is the legitimate legal system.

00:57:11.000 Well, that's what we ought to work on.

00:57:12.000 Get rid of that.

00:57:14.000 But until we do, and nobody griped, I didn't hear one talk show anywhere talk about being converted to a resource.

00:57:21.000 Well, it's true.

00:57:22.000 Your manager is called the Resource Manager, Human Resources.

00:57:27.000 Absolutely.

00:57:27.000 And under this whole bioethic system, they decide if you're a good resource.

00:57:31.000 Now, as a resource, they can do anything to you they want to.

00:57:35.000 A farmer that has a cow that's not productive, what's he do with it? 0.96

00:57:39.000 Well, again, courts have said black people aren't human beings.

00:57:43.000 We just don't follow that. 0.97

00:57:44.000 That's a fraud.

00:57:45.000 The courts can say none of us have rights and they decide if we're human.

00:57:49.000 That's what the bioethics boards do. 0.99

00:57:50.000 It's a fraud.

00:57:52.000 We've all got to have our living wills clearly stating our rights.

00:57:56.000 Thanks for the call. 0.96

00:57:57.000 But Governor Bush here in Texas, before he left office, made it clear the state, if they're paying for you, will kill you. 0.92

00:58:04.000 And the so-called Christians don't want to talk about that. 0.97

00:58:08.000 Let's talk to, who's up next here?

00:58:12.000 Doug in Canada, go ahead.

00:58:13.000 Hi Alex.

00:58:14.000 Hello.

00:58:15.000 Um, you know it takes a big man to back his words up, but it takes a bigger man to admit he was wrong and carry on.

00:58:21.000 Um, yeah McKinnon, I, or McKinney, I think if more people like, um, if we had more people like her with a backbone, places of power, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in today. 0.84

00:58:31.000 Have you seen that video clip?

00:58:33.000 Yes.

00:58:34.000 I've heard it many many times on the network here.

00:58:36.000 That's just powerful.

00:58:38.000 Well, I'll tell you what, stay there.

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00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:17.000 The essence of mind control is changing our values.

00:59:24.000 Changing and altering our world view to accept Having our private property taken without just compensation.

00:59:33.000 Having our Bill of Rights and Constitution dismantled.

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00:59:40.000 Conditioning the public to accept giving up our sovereignty for world government.

00:59:45.000 We're going to be talking about that with the author of Torture and Truth, America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror, Mark Danner, who's also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:59:58.000 We'll also get more into Terry Shivo Schindler, the earthquake yesterday, and the hundreds of dead.

01:00:04.000 It's all coming up.

01:00:06.000 Right now, going back to Doug in Canada.

01:00:10.000 Doug, you were bringing up that Cynthia McKinney clip we played first last week.

01:00:14.000 Now, others have aired it.

01:00:16.000 It's posted on InfoWars.com, still on the main page today.

01:00:21.000 And if you go to Infowars.com, you can watch it right there, where she brought up all these incredible issues to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and he was at a loss for words and looked quite shaken, did he not?

01:00:34.000 It was actually very satisfying to see that.

01:00:37.000 Just to watch them squirm in their seats.

01:00:41.000 It was.

01:00:41.000 Satisfying's a good word.

01:00:43.000 The one thing, or the major thing I called in about, your call earlier talked about the guy in British Columbia seeing all the military transport trucks.

01:00:52.000 That is going on here.

01:00:54.000 They have admitted they're doing war games with the American military and the Mexican military as per last week's discussion with President Bush.

01:01:02.000 Oh yeah, in fact it's been in the CBC, Canadians are upset about quote, giving up their sovereignty for the Union of American States through the free trade area of the Americas.

01:01:13.000 And so the Mexicans in Canadian newspapers are talking about it, but the average American has no idea this is even going on.

01:01:20.000 Exactly, and it's really, really scary.

01:01:21.000 Like in my city they're doing weather and chemical warfare here.

01:01:25.000 You can see it in the skies.

01:01:26.000 And I have the proof, but you can't tell anybody that because they don't believe you.

01:01:31.000 Well, it's been in the Globe and Mail, it's been on the CBC that you've got this North Com drills with Mexican and Canadian and U.S.

01:01:42.000 troops up there.

01:01:43.000 It was even in one of your big papers a few months ago about state police from Texas up in British Columbia running checkpoints.

01:01:54.000 It's really scary, and just one quick quote here that comes from our military.

01:01:58.000 One minute you can be having coffee with someone, and the next you're gonna need to pull a gun.

01:02:04.000 That pretty much sums it up there.

01:02:06.000 Well, I appreciate your call.

01:02:08.000 And again, terrorism is being used as the pretext to radically shift our entire society into a total police state.

01:02:15.000 They tell you as a citizen you've got to give up all your liberties and allow your life to be under a microscope, but the borders, northern and southern, are more open than they've ever been.

01:02:26.000 It's a fraud.

01:02:27.000 It's a joke.

01:02:29.000 And they engage in what they call acing, where people flying in from Middle Eastern countries don't even have to show their IDs coming off these international flights.

01:02:39.000 You try to fly to see your grandma in Indiana, you're lucky if you don't get strip searched by some foreigner who can't even speak English. 1.00

01:02:47.000 I'm not kidding!

01:02:49.000 I got a report a few years ago at the Boston Logan Airport, 90% of the people working at the airport were not citizens.

01:02:58.000 And something like 20% were illegal aliens.

01:03:01.000 I mean, how do you get numbers like that?

01:03:03.000 And I've been at these airports all over the country.

01:03:05.000 Most of the time it's some foreigner, you know, who was just a few years ago shoving machine guns in people's backs, you know, in Bangladesh, and now they're doing it to you. 1.00

01:03:16.000 It's amazing.

01:03:17.000 All right, we've got a great guest coming up.

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01:07:03.000 Torture and Truth.

01:07:06.000 America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror by Mark Danner.

01:07:11.000 And Mark, like many of our guests, has a gigantic bio.

01:07:16.000 You can just link through at InfoWars.com to his website MarkDanner.com.

01:07:23.000 Danner is D-A-N-N-E-R.

01:07:26.000 And Mark Danner is a writer, journalist, and professor who has written for more than two decades on foreign affairs and international conflict.

01:07:34.000 He has covered Central America, Haiti, the Balkans, and Iraq, among other stories, and has written extensively about the development of American foreign policy during the late Cold War and afterward, and about violations of human rights during that time.

01:07:48.000 His book, Torture and Truth, is what we're about to be talking about.

01:07:52.000 And he is also a member of the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations with its 25, roughly 100 members, most of the most prestigious members of academia, banking and finance, government, entertainment, philosophy, you name it.

01:08:15.000 And I do take Foreign Affairs, the bi-monthly publication, That I consider to basically be the CFR's propaganda, but they do have a diverse group of members.

01:08:26.000 I've had probably 20 CFR members on, actually more than that, over the years.

01:08:33.000 It's great to have Mr. Danner on with us today.

01:08:38.000 Mr. Danner, thank you for coming on with us.

01:08:40.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:08:41.000 Thank you for inviting me.

01:08:43.000 You bet.

01:08:44.000 How did you get into writing this book, Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror?

01:08:51.000 Because I've read the synopsis of it online.

01:08:54.000 You basically, correct me if I'm wrong, point the finger and say, look, this stuff was ordered.

01:08:59.000 Well, we have the Army's own documents, that's admitted.

01:09:01.000 But still, the general public isn't aware of that.

01:09:04.000 And then the other question is, are you popular at the CFR having these views?

01:09:09.000 Because it seems the CFR right now is dominated by the neocons.

01:09:14.000 Well, the first question, how I got involved in writing about it, I had been writing about Iraq and the Iraq War, and this was part of that.

01:09:23.000 In fact, the images that were broadcast about a year ago now were enormously important in the war itself.

01:09:32.000 They gave a very strong boost to the insurgency.

01:09:37.000 Extremely useful to them in propaganda and so on and in recruiting members of the insurgency.

01:09:43.000 So though we look at this as a domestic kind of scandal, it had a lot to do with the Iraq War and giving help to the insurgency in fighting the Americans.

01:09:54.000 So that's the original, originally how I began writing about it.

01:09:59.000 It soon became evident though that a lot of the documents that were being either released by the government Or leaked by the government, were extremely important, it seemed to me, for a public understanding of what exactly happened.

01:10:14.000 This is one of those cases where if you actually look at the documents, if you look at the reports, you look at the depositions of those who were abused and tortured, you look at what the government itself has found to have happened at Abu Ghraib and also at other prisons, it isn't terribly controversial what went on there.

01:10:36.000 What is controversy is the difference between what the government says happened and what was actually found out in these reports.

01:10:46.000 So I felt very strongly that one had to try to bridge that gap.

01:10:52.000 And so the book, Torture and Truth, includes not only my writing about what happened and the Iraq War itself, but the documents from the government that tell what happened.

01:11:01.000 But let me stop you right there.

01:11:02.000 By controversial, you mean, what happened there isn't being debated.

01:11:07.000 Well, it's an interesting... Or do you mean it's not that big of a deal?

01:11:11.000 Please clarify.

01:11:12.000 No, no.

01:11:12.000 I certainly think it is a very big deal.

01:11:15.000 When I say controversial and not controversial, I mean that the effort... It's very transparent.

01:11:21.000 It is transparent if you actually look at the investigations into what happened.

01:11:27.000 But you'll never know what really happened if you watch the nightly news, because... That's right.

01:11:31.000 That's right.

01:11:32.000 Because the government responded to what happened by simply saying, you know, this was a few bad apples, which is the traditional response of governments who are accused of torture.

01:11:45.000 The United Kingdom said that in the early seventies when there was a famous case in Northern Ireland and it's happened a number of times and the few bad apples defense is actually the way lawyers describe it.

01:11:57.000 I like the analogy of cockroaches.

01:12:01.000 We've already seen ten big fat cockroaches on the kitchen floor. 0.99

01:12:04.000 There's probably a thousand in the walls.

01:12:08.000 That's a homely metaphor that's very effective, I think.

01:12:12.000 I mean, they claim, oh, it's just a few bad apples.

01:12:14.000 No, this is just where they got caught.

01:12:16.000 Yeah, I'm afraid that is the case.

01:12:19.000 And, you know, increasingly this stuff has come out.

01:12:22.000 We've essentially had revelations at the rate of a few a week.

01:12:27.000 So the problem is, though, is the administration essentially counts on people not actually looking at the record.

01:12:34.000 Psychological fatigue as well.

01:12:36.000 They just get tired of hearing about it.

01:12:38.000 I think that's very true.

01:12:39.000 I think that's very true.

01:12:40.000 It's a subject that people don't like to think about.

01:12:43.000 It's shameful.

01:12:44.000 It's unpleasant.

01:12:45.000 And I think the administration believes that, you know, most people in the country would just as soon believe what the president says rather than look at things that might contradict what he says.

01:12:55.000 Well, I want to get into your book that's got a lot of reviews for being very scholarly on the subject.

01:12:59.000 I, myself, even made a film about it, so I'm up to speed and have basically all the declassified documents and official Army reports on it, as well as a cross-report.

01:13:09.000 But I want to shift gears back to the CFR, which I would say is dominated by the neocons at this point.

01:13:15.000 Are you popular there in the halls of the CFR?

01:13:18.000 Well, so far as I know, I'm popular there.

01:13:21.000 You know, as you and I discussed before, it's a very large organization.

01:13:27.000 It's ideologically pretty diverse, so it's hard to say what particular strain it's dominated by.

01:13:40.000 It's a membership organization.

01:13:42.000 You essentially go to see people speak and see panel discussions and all the rest of it.

01:13:48.000 And I find it very useful.

01:13:50.000 I've been a member there for, I don't know, nearly 20 years now, I think.

01:13:54.000 But isn't it really just a giant change agent group where they get the best minds involved and then kind of start co-opting people and seeing who will play ball?

01:14:03.000 And by the dominant group being neocons, I mean that particular strain and strata of the CFR is in government right now.

01:14:12.000 Well, you know, I think it's kind of a complicated issue.

01:14:16.000 You know, the council has traditionally been this kind of holding place where people who aren't in government at a given time are in the council, and when the government changes hands, you get a lot of people who are at the council moving into the government.

01:14:31.000 This has traditionally happened for many, many years.

01:14:34.000 It's also true, though, depending on the ideology of the people who are in power, the council likes to be close to powers.

01:14:42.000 So if you have a government that's predominantly, as you say, neocon, the council will want to have high officials who share that ideology and who have access to power.

01:14:53.000 And that has always happened.

01:14:54.000 I don't think that's a particular ideological strain.

01:14:58.000 What was the council founded for?

01:15:01.000 What was the founding principles?

01:15:02.000 And then we'll move on in the early 1920s.

01:15:04.000 Yeah, it was founded essentially right in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of World War I. It originally was this kind of think tank that was put together to help President Woodrow Wilson.

01:15:17.000 League of Nations.

01:15:18.000 In his preparation, well not just for the League, but generally his preparations for the Paris Conference and the Versailles Treaty.

01:15:26.000 So it was kind of a think tank that was then made permanent Well, I don't want to spend all day on that.

01:15:31.000 the mirror of the Royal Institute of International Affairs?

01:15:34.000 Yeah, there's certainly similarities, no question about it.

01:15:38.000 Well, I don't want to spend all day on that.

01:15:40.000 The listeners are very interested in the CFR because they have people in there who kind of dissent from the predominant paradigm, but generally it's world government's good, world government's the answer, we've got to sacrifice our national sovereignty, Whether it's Republicans or Democrats, Strobe Talbot or George Bush Sr., we hear the same diatribe.

01:16:02.000 Are you a supporter of world government?

01:16:05.000 Well, you know, I can't help pointing out that the point you just made contradicts pretty dramatically the earlier point about neocons.

01:16:12.000 It seems to me either it's neocon-sympathetic, as you argued a few minutes ago... What is against the Warren government?

01:16:19.000 Well, as far as I can tell, the people in power, from Rumsfeld to Paul Wolfowitz and others... Bob Mueller?

01:16:25.000 Certainly do not believe in world government.

01:16:27.000 They don't believe in bolstering multilateral institutions.

01:16:31.000 They've taken points of view, notably with the Iraq War, that have been flown in the face of UN decisions and UN feelings.

01:16:40.000 But Mr. Diller, Professor, you know full well that that's all good cop, bad cop.

01:16:47.000 I mean, you know Bush has actually been expanding the U.N.

01:16:50.000 funding and signing on to treaties and going ahead with the free trade area of the Americas.

01:16:56.000 Well, it's true that they certainly have different positions on trade, no question about it, but I think that their attitude toward the United Nations, with all due respect, is not good cop, bad cop.

01:17:08.000 I mean, the decision that was made on Iraq was the strongest and most dramatic break with the United Nations and UN opinions that I can remember.

01:17:17.000 And I don't think there was anything fake about it.

01:17:20.000 I think the attitudes and the hurt feelings and the problems in relations, particularly with the European allies, are very real.

01:17:28.000 And this was a real thing.

01:17:31.000 And the fact that they have different views when it comes to trade policy doesn't contradict that central point.

01:17:37.000 I mean, these issues are Obviously complicated, you know, there are a lot of different areas.

01:17:42.000 Let me ask this, don't most members of the CFR believe in global government, global governance?

01:17:48.000 No.

01:17:49.000 No, I don't think they do.

01:17:50.000 I would say, it depends what you mean by that, but I think, you know, you have a lot of people who are fairly mistrustful of the United Nations, and some who believe it should be strengthened.

01:18:04.000 Opinion in the council is pretty divided.

01:18:07.000 You know, you're talking about a lot of people with fairly diverse political views.

01:18:12.000 Alright, well, fair enough.

01:18:14.000 When we get back, I want to get back into torture and I want to specifically talk about the government documents and who gave the orders for this and just how much of this torture is really going on in light of the Red Sox jet being used to fly people around, you know, the private torture jets in England, the third-party countries, The Army's own report that 90% of those at the camps are totally innocent.

01:18:36.000 I want to discuss this with you and also how television is promoting torture as the new virtue and people on the left like Alan Dershowitz.

01:18:45.000 I appreciate you joining us.

01:18:46.000 Stay with us, Mr. Danner.

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01:23:05.000 Coming up in the next segment, it's your chance Talk to Mr. Danner about his book, Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror, 1-800-259-9231.

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01:23:22.000 Don, Mike, and others will be getting your calls.

01:23:25.000 Continuing, Professor Danner, you talk about documents, and we've got the General's Report, we've got the other reports, 32 camps in Iraq, Camps where they take people in Egypt and in Jordan and in some of the Central Asian countries.

01:23:46.000 Camp X-Ray, a CIA camp within a camp.

01:23:51.000 Admittedly doing things to people we can't even mention on air.

01:23:55.000 They're so horrible.

01:23:57.000 I would imagine your book gets into that.

01:24:00.000 Yes, it certainly does.

01:24:02.000 It begins with the actual depositions from prisoners that were taken by the Army CID, Criminal Investigation Division, in Iraq.

01:24:12.000 And I have the text of those depositions included in the book.

01:24:17.000 It also includes the investigations that you spoke about.

01:24:21.000 And all of these things together have a great number of accounts taken from, usually in judicial type settings, so under oath.

01:24:30.000 taken from prisoners who were treated this way by American troops.

01:24:36.000 Well, there's also the troops pleading guilty.

01:24:41.000 That's right.

01:24:42.000 You have a number of guilty pleas.

01:24:45.000 There's the photographic evidence.

01:24:47.000 But the important thing to say here, I think, is that these photographs came out and suggested that this stuff was Animal House on the Night Shift, which the former Secretary of Defense Schlesinger called it.

01:24:59.000 That is, that it was sort of the late night doings.

01:25:01.000 of a handful of status if you look at the reports themselves you see that a lot of this stuff happened as a result and during interrogation and the depositions confirm that that is interrogators were present it was part of an effort to try to get information from these people well what limbaugh said that it was like a fraternity prank just blowing off steam 0.56

01:25:26.000 Sodomizing people with objects, putting acid on them, raping women, beating people to death.

01:25:34.000 I mean, that's called murder and torture. 0.96

01:25:38.000 And your book, according to the synopsis, according to the stuff I've researched, This leads right back to the White House.

01:25:44.000 I remember Rumsfeld bragging on TV about how they were, quote, pressuring people severely.

01:25:51.000 I remember Dershowitz calling for torture right after 9-11.

01:25:56.000 Right.

01:25:56.000 You know, you can see, and certainly the book shows this, that after 9-11 there was a pretty dramatic change right at the top of the government about the attitude toward interrogation.

01:26:08.000 Decisions were made by the President and by other high officials.

01:26:12.000 First of all, to withhold the protections of the Geneva Convention, and that debate was very vivid in the administration, but they finally decided For the first time in American history, not to grant Geneva Convention protection, and then to essentially redefine what torture is.

01:26:27.000 The US, as you know, is committed not to torture.

01:26:31.000 It's prohibited by our domestic laws, prohibited by international treaties to which we're signatory.

01:26:37.000 There was a debate in the administration that finally resulted in a document that the Department of Justice wrote, which essentially said, you know, we may be prohibited from torturing, but what exactly is torture?

01:26:48.000 And it defined torture... Well, yeah, Alberto Gonzales says if we torture somebody up until their organs fail and didn't mean to kill them, then it's not torture.

01:26:56.000 And by the way, the President is the law.

01:26:58.000 He's above the law.

01:27:00.000 That's exactly right.

01:27:01.000 He basically said Look, you know, for somebody to be tortured, they have to cause pain equivalent to major organ failure or death, which means that you can do an awful lot to people, like waterboarding, for example, which is submerging them underwater until they drown and then reviving them, which has been used by the CIA and apparently was explicitly approved by the Department of Justice for the CIA to use.

01:27:26.000 And also, Mr. Dershowitz's example, which is inserting sterile needles under their fingernails, all of these things under the definition that the administration put together would not constitute torture.

01:27:38.000 So, you know, you have a situation in which the President can say, well, no, no, we do not condone torture.

01:27:44.000 But, when he uses that word, the administration has defined it in a way that most people would not accept.

01:27:49.000 Depends on what is, is, is, is.

01:27:51.000 Well, exactly.

01:27:51.000 It's a verbal stratagem.

01:27:54.000 And, you know, most people, if you describe waterboarding, which is, you know, you strip somebody down, you beat them up, you strap them to a board, and then you lower their head, usually upside down, into a tub of usually fetid, you know, dirty water, sometimes urine, something like that.

01:28:10.000 Until they, essentially until they drown, then you revise them, then you do it again.

01:28:14.000 Now, to most people, they would look at that and say, that's torture.

01:28:17.000 Certainly, people in Argentina and Uruguay, where that was used extensively during the Dirty War, they called it the submarine, they would consider it torture.

01:28:26.000 But under this definition, supposedly, you know, the administration can say, well, we don't torture.

01:28:33.000 Yeah, it's like Terri Schiavo.

01:28:35.000 It's like Terri Schiavo.

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01:28:37.000 We're just treating her by taking her water away. 0.97

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01:32:06.000 Just to analyze what these creatures are doing, how they're trying to warp our psyche, Through fiction and through the mainstream media to accept torture, we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.

01:32:19.000 And I found another clip that's even worse, saying, so what about torture?

01:32:23.000 I still need to get that uploaded to the network computer, but we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.

01:32:29.000 It's about 40 seconds long.

01:32:31.000 Here in a second, go back to our guest, the author of Torture and Truth, America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror.

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01:34:58.000 Before I play this limbo clip, Professor Danner, tell us how we get your new book, Torture and Truth.

01:35:09.000 Well, the book can be gotten through my website, markdanner.com.

01:35:14.000 It can be ordered from Amazon and Barnes & Noble and other online suppliers, but of course what I would prefer is that people go to their local bookstore where the book should be in stock, and if it's not in stock, to ask for it.

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01:35:39.000 Okay.

01:35:40.000 Now, I want to go to calls here, but first I want to talk about the hardening of the psyche and how they're selling us on this evil.

01:35:47.000 Every cop show, every major drama, and then in the real world, all the big editorials, it's the same MO, the same talking points.

01:35:55.000 We now have mainstream news reports that Homeland Security's even paying off an advising threat matrix 24.

01:36:02.000 These shows where they now torture people's children almost every episode to make them talk.

01:36:08.000 Now torturing children is good, so I guess Joseph Mingala wasn't bad, but here's Rush Limbaugh as the change agent Telling his audience that it's just blowing off steam, the torture is no big deal.

01:36:21.000 Here is that clip.

01:36:23.000 What's psychologically wrong with that?

01:36:25.000 It's not the act so much, it was like a college fraternity prank to stack up naked men and women.

01:36:32.000 Exactly!

01:36:33.000 Exactly my point!

01:36:35.000 This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're going to ruin people's lives with it, and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we're going to really hammer them because they had a good time.

01:36:49.000 These people are being fired at every day.

01:36:51.000 I'm talking about the people having a good time.

01:36:53.000 These people... You ever heard of emotional release?

01:36:56.000 You ever heard of needing to blow some steam off?

01:37:00.000 So, there's the clip, and others have called for outright torturing them.

01:37:05.000 I've heard it on talk radio saying it's good, but Alan Dershowitz is off calling it a great American value.

01:37:12.000 Truly, we see the attempt to mass-warp the psyche And then people accept that torture isn't torture, and then we hear reports of a guy's chained down in a hospital bed, he won't give a urine sample on demand, so they taser him, and the police just go, this is our new policy, it isn't torture, it's just pressure.

01:37:33.000 Professor?

01:37:34.000 Well, I'm very glad you played the quote from Russ Limbaugh. 0.86

01:37:39.000 I think basically what it shows is ignorance, first of all.

01:37:43.000 I mean, what he describes as fraternity hazing, that's just not the case.

01:37:48.000 This stuff went on for days and days.

01:37:50.000 It was highly organized.

01:37:52.000 It began with beatings, extensive beatings.

01:37:54.000 People were beaten into unconsciousness in a fairly systematic way.

01:38:00.000 People were injured in such a way they had to go to the hospital.

01:38:04.000 Uh, they were bitten very severely on their legs by dogs.

01:38:08.000 One man's ear was nearly torn off.

01:38:12.000 People were beaten to death, then they'd pack ice on them, put a fake IV on them, and take them out the front door.

01:38:19.000 That's right.

01:38:20.000 At this point, the army has officially admitted, the American military, I should say, has officially admitted that 27 detainees have died under interrogation, and these are the detainees that those are considered homicides.

01:38:35.000 The total number of deaths in detainment situations now is over 70.

01:38:40.000 Now let's be clear, that's what they admit.

01:38:43.000 There's 32 camps in Iraq, a dozen in Afghanistan, two camps at Guantanamo Bay, and camps in at least five other third-party countries.

01:38:52.000 Did you see the Washington Post article in late 2001 where they have the CIA section chief over the Middle East as quoted as saying, we take them to Egypt and Jordan where we can torture them and pressure their families in front of them?

01:39:07.000 Yeah, I did see that.

01:39:08.000 I think that was 2002, but yes, I did see it.

01:39:10.000 Okay, early 2002.

01:39:11.000 I've got it in the film.

01:39:13.000 Well, you know, a lot of this stuff is on the record, you know, which is one of the points of my book, Torture and Treatment.

01:39:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:19.000 But it's not torture if we don't kill them on purpose. 0.99

01:39:22.000 Yes, that's right, if they're killed accidentally. 0.96

01:39:26.000 So if I go up and beat somebody with a baseball bat and didn't mean to kill them, I can just say I was blowing off steam to the cops?

01:39:32.000 Well, under their definition of torture, if your main point is not to cause extensive pain, then in fact it's not torture.

01:39:42.000 That's under their definition.

01:39:43.000 But I think the important thing to underline about what Mr. Limbaugh said is that it's simply not true.

01:39:48.000 It's factually wrong.

01:39:49.000 It's not a question of how he's interpreting things.

01:39:52.000 He's got it wrong what actually happened.

01:39:55.000 And we know what actually happened.

01:39:57.000 The documents have come out.

01:39:58.000 You can read them.

01:39:59.000 They're there in black and white.

01:40:01.000 And, you know, he relies on the fact that nobody is going to read anything that they're just going to listen to him.

01:40:07.000 And so he can say this and basically say things that are absolutely contrary.

01:40:11.000 Well, yeah, I've heard him say that Bush is not for amnesty when Bush has openly said he's for open borders and amnesty.

01:40:17.000 Yeah, well, he does and there is a certain technique here which is simply to tell people A story that seems to fit together itself and to count on the fact that they're not going to check it and you essentially tell them what they want to hear. 0.53

01:40:28.000 Well, I'm blown away by these people because, Professor, all I do is read government documents and what is admitted and I'm telling you, the liberals, the conservatives, they're all up there together basically for all this stuff and they're all a bunch of liars.

01:40:40.000 Well, I think it's true that, you know, there is a lot of lying going on on these things, there's no question.

01:40:46.000 I think it's also true that a lot of this stuff is coming out, that the documentary evidence is coming out, and that increasingly, you know, the truth is getting into the public sphere.

01:40:57.000 So I wouldn't lose hope on this.

01:40:59.000 It's just that, you know, it's taking a long time to get out.

01:41:02.000 And to change people's opinion.

01:41:04.000 But I think it will happen.

01:41:06.000 I think we're heading in that direction.

01:41:08.000 Clearly, Professor, there is an agenda.

01:41:11.000 Homeland Security head Reg and now Chertoff have met with the media They're consulting, and we've got all these paid-for press releases.

01:41:21.000 We know that they are literally writing some of the scripts, we've read these articles on air, for these TV shows.

01:41:27.000 Every time I turn it on, they're now not just torturing the, quote, terrorists on these fiction shows, they're torturing seven, eight-year-old children.

01:41:36.000 And this is a concerted effort to warp our minds.

01:41:40.000 Yes, well, I think that's true.

01:41:44.000 I don't know, but I'll take your word for it, the degree of administration involvement and consulting on these scripts.

01:41:50.000 It's also true, you know, that when people feel anxiety about their safety, when people are bewildered about why the country's been attacked and so on, you get the mass media, and in particular the commercial media, television, responding by trying to satisfy those kinds of anxieties.

01:42:08.000 And I think you see that when you see some of these commercial programs that show torture.

01:42:13.000 That is, you know, in the way of Dirty Harry, the Clint Eastwood movie, trying to take a public that's worried about crime, that's worried about being attacked, and showing them justice being delivered.

01:42:26.000 And I think there's a lot of that going on.

01:42:28.000 But what people don't understand is, is that cops now, since they've been doing this the last three years, suddenly instances of torture by the police, uh, against innocent people is way up.

01:42:40.000 There aren't real Al-Ci-8-us folks running around that are going to get us. 1.00

01:42:45.000 Terrorism is actually at lows, child kidnappings at lows, crime is at lows right now, all-time lows.

01:42:53.000 It is this perception, and torture isn't going to keep you safe.

01:42:58.000 Listen, I want to go to calls, but I've just got one other comment, and then I want you to comment on it, Professor.

01:43:03.000 We're talking to Mark Danner, author of this new book, Torture and Truth.

01:43:10.000 The types of sexual perversion at Abu Ghraib and Camp X-Ray, admittedly associated with this, the types of things they're doing, I've only seen this with serial killers.

01:43:21.000 So even if sickos out there go, we gotta torture them to get answers, why is it all sexually perverted?

01:43:27.000 Well, I think that there's a perception that one of the areas of sensitivity when it comes to Middle Eastern, particularly Arab culture, is shame about sexual matters, and in particular, shame about nudity. 0.98

01:43:40.000 And you can see, pervasively, if you look at what's happened to individual people, not only in Abu Ghraib, but there are instances where journalists, Arab journalists... Yeah, but these guards are raping women in front of the men because they like it.

01:43:55.000 Well, Dave, I don't dispute that some of them may like it.

01:43:58.000 It's a tough job, but I gotta do it!

01:44:00.000 I'm trying to answer your question, which is that it seems to me that a lot of this stuff is systemic, and it's trying to point to particular sensitivities, cultural sensitivities, on the part of Arab men.

01:44:11.000 The fact that it's very unusual and indeed forbidden for men to see one another naked in Arab culture, things having to do with, you know, bathroom stuff and so on is done very secretively.

01:44:25.000 It's very private, and you can tell in the way these torture procedures operate that there's been a clear study of the sensitivities of Arab culture.

01:44:36.000 No, I agree with you, but then the feds also go and they hire former prison guards with bad records who enjoy doing this.

01:44:45.000 Yes, there's no question that some of these people clearly were enjoying themselves.

01:44:50.000 You can see it. 0.99

01:44:52.000 In beating people to death and raping people. 1.00

01:44:54.000 Folks, come on. 1.00

01:44:55.000 Let's take some calls.

01:44:58.000 Don in Missouri.

01:44:59.000 Don, you're on the air.

01:45:00.000 Thanks for holding.

01:45:00.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:45:01.000 I think it's all one cloth.

01:45:03.000 Listen, I wanted to touch upon the Schiavo case again.

01:45:07.000 You know, I haven't been able to listen the last week or so, so I don't know if you've explored this already, but this behavior of Michael Schiavo is just so bizarre, and all these powerful people covering up for him.

01:45:19.000 The only explanation I can come up for it is that since Florida's crawling with CIA agents, that maybe he's an agent.

01:45:25.000 And Terry was his slave.

01:45:27.000 And now the government is caught in this public relations nightmare and they're scrambling to try to... 0.82

01:45:33.000 They were willing to kill her in public just to cover this up.

01:45:36.000 Well, I mean, I can see people trying to give reason to this thing, but it's turned into a media circus.

01:45:42.000 You've got the pro-death people, the anti-death people lined up over all this.

01:45:46.000 Thanks for the call, Don.

01:45:47.000 But, Professor, I mean, we do see the hardening of the psyche in the society.

01:45:53.000 It was Governor Bush who passed a law where if somebody's on government health care, they go ahead and take their feeding tube out.

01:46:00.000 But it's funny, none of these so-called conservative groups want to talk about that.

01:46:03.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:46:05.000 People, certainly it's been in the press, that law that then-Governor Bush passed.

01:46:12.000 I just killed a little baby two days ago, by the way, but go ahead.

01:46:15.000 Yes, yes, I saw that in the news.

01:46:18.000 And there's clearly a very high degree of contradiction here between what people say and the political positions they take, particularly in the Shivo case, and what they've actually done.

01:46:28.000 uh... in their political history and in their own lives for that matter when it comes to Tom DeLay for example uh... so uh... we see those contradictions very dramatically and it shows in this case a lot of politicians are looking at it simply as a lucrative political target you know this is going to help me firm up my uh... position uh... with the evangelical right uh... and the left likes it too.

01:46:49.000 Mike in Washington you're on the air go ahead yeah speaking of contradictions you know we got this uh...

01:46:55.000 I saw that clip of that slimeball Jack Wheeler from the Freedom Foundation saying how we should freeze everyone's lungs and then when they're about ready to die then we'll make them breathe again.

01:47:12.000 You know, that's basically high-tech tabling.

01:47:16.000 I've actually got that clip in Police States for Total Enslavement where they're on national TV saying how good torture is.

01:47:22.000 Exactly, and it's just trying to... it's just justifying everything.

01:47:28.000 But another reason I want to talk to you, Alex, is that I'm sure you're familiar with the 1997 act where Queen Elizabeth, where she enhanced the Social where she enhanced the Social Security.

01:47:48.000 I'm not reading you.

01:47:49.000 I'm not, I'm not understanding.

01:47:51.000 Well, there was, uh, uh, it was, uh, oh, what's it called?

01:47:56.000 Uh, yeah.

01:47:57.000 I really don't know, sir.

01:47:59.000 Queen Elizabeth Social Security.

01:48:00.000 Yeah.

01:48:01.000 Uh, well, um, in 1997, they did a, uh, there was a, uh, in, uh, in England, Queen Elizabeth controls and amended the U.S.

01:48:12.000 Social Security under 1997 number 1778.

01:48:17.000 I wasn't aware of that.

01:48:18.000 You'll have to send me some information on that now.

01:48:21.000 Oh yeah, Queen Elizabeth amended our Social Security back in 1997.

01:48:25.000 Well, you'll have to send me some information on that, Mike.

01:48:28.000 And it's all over the web.

01:48:31.000 Really?

01:48:32.000 Yeah, and it pretty much just points out that we're basically Run by England.

01:48:39.000 I hear you.

01:48:39.000 Thanks for the call.

01:48:40.000 Let's talk to Eric in Oklahoma.

01:48:42.000 Eric, you're on the air.

01:48:43.000 Hey, Alex.

01:48:43.000 Go ahead.

01:48:44.000 How are you doing?

01:48:45.000 Good.

01:48:45.000 Doing a talk show.

01:48:46.000 What's on your mind?

01:48:47.000 I listen to Mark a lot.

01:48:50.000 He's one of the few intellectually honest people that I've heard on the media.

01:48:54.000 I look at everything through the eyes of dialectical materialism.

01:48:59.000 Everything is so dialectic these days.

01:49:02.000 There's the pro, the con, the right, the left.

01:49:05.000 Lately, it seems like instead of just left and right, it's like a pinwheel.

01:49:11.000 People take a position and then it's being spun.

01:49:14.000 So, it's no longer about the right or left.

01:49:17.000 It's really about right and wrong.

01:49:19.000 And they're trying to blur the distinctions between right and wrong.

01:49:23.000 Well, that's what change agents do.

01:49:25.000 That's what MKUltra was about, was how to change the views of Americans.

01:49:29.000 That's right, and that's why we're in trouble.

01:49:31.000 Stay there, Eric.

01:49:32.000 We'll come back and let the professor Comment on your statement.

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01:53:05.000 It's a conspiracy theory and urban legend.

01:53:09.000 And now they say they never called for torture.

01:53:11.000 It isn't torture if we beat and brutalize and drown somebody until they die. 0.84

01:53:16.000 We didn't mean to kill them.

01:53:19.000 I mean, I guess serial killers should try that when they get called a bunch of dead bodies.

01:53:23.000 Well, I didn't mean to kill them.

01:53:24.000 Oh, well, then go free then. 0.99

01:53:25.000 Well, these are terrorists.

01:53:27.000 They don't have the same rights.

01:53:28.000 Come on, folks.

01:53:29.000 They're not even terrorists.

01:53:31.000 This is all by design.

01:53:33.000 Professor, comments to what Eric in Oklahoma was just saying about just both political parties in this whole system?

01:53:45.000 Well, first of all, I was grateful to Eric for his kind comments about my work.

01:53:50.000 I appreciate that.

01:53:53.000 You know, his comments were, I thought, very provocative, but also very broad.

01:53:59.000 I think he's right that You know, the things that we had taken for granted for many years about the left and the right have gotten twisted and very confusing.

01:54:08.000 On the one hand, the political spectrum has moved far to the right when you look at what's going on in Washington, and we're seeing things that would have been really unheard of years ago.

01:54:19.000 I mean, one of the reasons I wrote this book, Torture and Truth, was because I We're seeing Americans undertake acts of torture that I used to cover in Latin America twenty years ago, twenty-five years ago.

01:54:32.000 You say move to the right.

01:54:35.000 I mean, record budgets, 2.6 trillion, open borders.

01:54:40.000 Very good point, which I was going to get to, which is that at the same time as you have a defiantly right-wing agenda, You also have, particularly on the financial fiscal side, the spending side, the fact that the government came into office, supposedly a very conservative administration, with a budget surplus of over $200 billion and has changed that into a budget deficit of nearly $500 billion.

01:55:08.000 It's been the largest shift in the fiscal status of the government in the history of the United States.

01:55:14.000 And by the way, most of that extra expenditure is not even military. 0.96

01:55:18.000 It's all the classic big government control, social welfare garbage. 0.97

01:55:24.000 Let's take another call. 0.99

01:55:26.000 Let's talk to Barney in Maryland.

01:55:27.000 Barney, you're on the air with our CFR member.

01:55:30.000 Go ahead.

01:55:32.000 Go ahead, Barney.

01:55:34.000 Barney, come to your telephone.

01:55:36.000 You with me?

01:55:36.000 Yes, sir.

01:55:38.000 This might seem radical, but once you've been to war, it fits. 0.97

01:55:43.000 I believe that in Iraq, same as the wars in Korea and Vietnam, the purpose is to take us down to a fourth world country. 0.99

01:55:54.000 That there is a planned economic crisis.

01:55:58.000 That millions of American people will be killed?

01:56:01.000 No, you're right.

01:56:02.000 The globalists use America as the imperial model to grab and consolidate more countries under IMF-World Bank control than Europe comes in, like the good cop.

01:56:11.000 But the professor, I think, disagrees with that.

01:56:14.000 Well, I believe that in the end, the patriots and the fascists and the captive nations around the world and the United States are going to win by eliminating all the one-worlders. 0.98

01:56:27.000 Professor, final comments?

01:56:30.000 Well, I'm not... I don't know about reducing America to fourth world status.

01:56:38.000 I think, as a master plan, I don't think what the Bush administration has done seems to fit in, at least in my view, with that.

01:56:48.000 Oh, they're driving down the dollar?

01:56:50.000 They're de-industrializing us?

01:56:53.000 All of this looks like looting, Professor.

01:56:56.000 Well, they are driving down the dollar, that's quite true, which is one of the ways, of course, to deal with the enormous debt that they've got.

01:57:04.000 Hidden inflation, yeah.

01:57:05.000 The Reagan administration did it as well, but I think that's a far cry from talking about, you know, a fourth world country.

01:57:13.000 There's a major shift of income, odd years, up the income scale, in which, you know, when you talk about this deficit, a lot of it has to do with the tax cuts.

01:57:24.000 Not all of it, but a lot of it.

01:57:26.000 All right.

01:57:26.000 Professor, I want to get you back on sometime.

01:57:29.000 I appreciate you joining us.

01:57:32.000 My pleasure.

01:57:33.000 Take care.

01:57:34.000 All right.

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01:58:13.000 And I'm going to take about 20-year calls in this hour.

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01:58:23.000 The record levels of massive earthquakes around the globe, the 8.7.

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01:59:04.000 Alki in Hawaii!

01:59:05.000 Aloha!

01:59:06.000 Hello.

01:59:08.000 How you doing?

01:59:09.000 I think I'm doing pretty good.

01:59:11.000 I think you're right on the mark about I'm trying to change the mindset because I was watching TV last night and basically I saw a commercial show about cops and all they really talked about was torture but that's what I wanted to say about you.

01:59:26.000 And how it was good and how it saved good people.

01:59:29.000 Furthermore, I think this is all just part of their plan to reduce the world population, right?

01:59:36.000 Yes, sir.

01:59:37.000 Because they give us these fake flu shots.

01:59:39.000 I went to the World Health Organization website And they actually have their test on their website of their approved flu vaccinations and it's just like mercury.

01:59:52.000 That's all there is.

01:59:54.000 They actually increase the level of mercury and the flu shot they give you never covers whatever the real flu is that year. 0.97

02:00:01.000 I looked at the flu shot I took when I was six years old and it was, they put mercury into my damn arm. 0.97

02:00:09.000 This makes me mad when I think about it. 0.94

02:00:11.000 And they put hundreds of times the safe level and Nobel Prize winners, top epidemiologists have said people who've had a bunch of these flu shots are a thousand times more likely to get neurological disorders and Alzheimer's.

02:00:23.000 I think they're trying to just kill as much people as they can.

02:00:27.000 But what it is, fluoride, sodium fluoride, mercury, all of it, is an IQ reducer.

02:00:33.000 We have their own documents.

02:00:34.000 The first people to use fluoride, and this is mainstream, famous history books, that Nazis put high levels of fluoride in the water at the camps to sedate the prisoners.

02:00:45.000 It's a toxic, sedative, And, uh, this is what they're doing.

02:00:50.000 I mean, you think vaccines are bad, buddy.

02:00:52.000 The fluoride's even worse, and it's almost impossible.

02:00:54.000 I live in Hawaii, where there's no fluoridation.

02:00:57.000 I'm, uh, I don't know.

02:00:58.000 There's no fluoridation in Hawaii.

02:01:00.000 I got out of high school at age 16, and I'm in college right now, in college calculus.

02:01:05.000 Well, good job!

02:01:06.000 Yeah.

02:01:07.000 So, uh, how long have you been on board?

02:01:08.000 I don't know what to do.

02:01:09.000 How long have you been on board the broadcast, Alki?

02:01:11.000 Oh, I started listening to you guys by, like, when I was, like, 15, I think.

02:01:17.000 I'm 17 right now.

02:01:19.000 I got out of the... Well, are you waking up the young folks around you?

02:01:22.000 A lot of them are already woken up because there's no fluoridation here.

02:01:26.000 They can already tell something's going wrong.

02:01:30.000 Well, San Antonio is a very patriotic anti-New World Order city.

02:01:34.000 They just became fluoridated two years ago and they're already fighting to remove it.

02:01:38.000 And folks, I know Stanley Kubrick says you're a kook if you believe it's bad.

02:01:42.000 We have thousands of medical reports.

02:01:44.000 It is Deadly, and I'm not talking about calcium fluoride that's already existing in the water.

02:01:50.000 That's not bad for you, and you actually need some calcium fluoride.

02:01:54.000 Sodium fluoride, though, is taken directly from the toxic waste of aluminum and fertilizer production, and has other toxins in it as well.

02:02:02.000 Thanks for the call, Alki.

02:02:03.000 Alright.

02:02:04.000 And we're going to be getting more, because I haven't done this in years.

02:02:06.000 I'm going to have a bunch of guests on, doctor, scientist, Nobel Prize.

02:02:09.000 About fluoride, we're going to talk about aspartame, which is just as bad.

02:02:13.000 We're going to be talking about all of this, and I'm going to do more.

02:02:17.000 All the stuff I covered five, six, seven years ago, I'm bringing it all back.

02:02:22.000 Because, you know, I mean, I covered this stuff for years on end.

02:02:24.000 I've got to give it a break for a while.

02:02:27.000 I've been mainly on secret police camps, torture.

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02:06:30.000 We'll coffee in and leave the United Nations where we end up with William Jefferson Clinton.

02:06:35.000 And a lot more.

02:06:36.000 But right now, let's hurry through your calls.

02:06:39.000 Don in Pennsylvania.

02:06:41.000 Hi, Alex.

02:06:41.000 Welcome, Don.

02:06:42.000 Am I coming through clear?

02:06:44.000 Roger that.

02:06:45.000 Okay, great.

02:06:46.000 I just have a real quick technical question, then I will get out of your way and just listen.

02:06:49.000 Okay, I'm sure you know what the Hegelian dialectic is, where there's the propaganda strategy, where they... You know what the Hegelian dialectic is.

02:06:59.000 Create a crisis.

02:07:01.000 Demonstrate the fear, say something must be done, and the very people that created the crisis, or accentuated it, then bring you the solution.

02:07:09.000 Okay, then you know what I mean by political strategy?

02:07:11.000 I'm sorry, propaganda strategy.

02:07:13.000 What I need to know is, is when they, what is a strategy called, when they present, say, a nugget of truth, wrapped around with a lie, and then when you counter the lie, they sidestep the answer, and they go back to, what, don't you believe in, and then they Put the negative truth out there again.

02:07:27.000 Do you follow what I'm asking?

02:07:29.000 Yeah, there's different terms of that, and I was thinking about that today.

02:07:32.000 I mean, there'll be a real crisis, it's just their solution is opportunistic and has nothing to do with the actual crisis.

02:07:42.000 So really, I mean, there's not so much a term for it, it's just a tactic.

02:07:50.000 Well, what I mean is, do you know what, okay, There's different names of strategies, like where they say, for example, that we need to keep our kids safe, and that's true.

02:07:59.000 And then they say, to do that, we've got to give them vaccine shots, which is not true.

02:08:02.000 And then we have to show that vaccines do not keep them safe, even if they're clean, healthy vaccines.

02:08:08.000 Then we show the strategy in the documents of the elite to put different toxins and things that sterilize and other things in the vaccines.

02:08:16.000 Well, what I mean is whenever they present... But even if you give somebody a term, they're not going to know what the term means.

02:08:23.000 You're going to have to explain that to them.

02:08:25.000 Okay.

02:08:25.000 Well, I was looking for the term.

02:08:27.000 I'll just explain it the way I do in this.

02:08:27.000 That's okay.

02:08:28.000 Thanks.

02:08:30.000 I love your show.

02:08:30.000 You're doing a great job again, and have a good one, Alex.

02:08:32.000 Well, I appreciate you.

02:08:33.000 Look, America was founded on mistrust of government.

02:08:39.000 The Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers, the two sides, agreed that don't trust government, keep control of it, keep it very small.

02:08:49.000 Folks in this nation were very distrustful of government.

02:08:54.000 I mean, you'd get tarred and feathered if you started trying to push government's good on people.

02:08:59.000 They had common sense.

02:09:00.000 They had history.

02:09:02.000 But then they gave us the fake left-right paradigm about a hundred years ago.

02:09:06.000 No longer was it freedom versus slavery.

02:09:08.000 Does this government give me more freedom and more liberty?

02:09:11.000 Does it leave me alone or does it try to control me?

02:09:13.000 That was the political debate, not Republican-Democrat.

02:09:18.000 Then it shifted to left-right, when the left and right are both for the very same things, just different implementation and different rhetoric.

02:09:25.000 That confused people.

02:09:26.000 Then we had World War II.

02:09:29.000 The government propaganda got sophisticated after the war.

02:09:31.000 People became very trustful.

02:09:34.000 So many goods and services were produced.

02:09:35.000 We had such incredible prosperity that we got lulled into a false sense of security.

02:09:44.000 And now, some people think you're a kook if you don't trust the government.

02:09:50.000 Or most people know the government's out of control, but still they say, oh, that's just the way it is.

02:09:54.000 There's kind of a fatalistic view of it.

02:09:57.000 So I think that's kind of what you're getting at, but people look at politics two-dimensional.

02:10:04.000 They just hear a politician say something and think, okay, well, we don't have any money for the roads, we better put toll roads in.

02:10:11.000 They don't go get, say, TxDOT, Texas Department of Transportation's own documents that have been released that say, we got plenty of money, we got giant slush funds, we've been paid off by select corporations to give them the roads to tax the daylights out of the people and keep the money themselves.

02:10:29.000 Privatization, see, people hear the word privatization and think, well, I'm for privatization, but is it really privatization?

02:10:37.000 No, it's not privatization to take an existing public works and give it for pennies on the dollar to a private corporation that's paid off the government, who's then going to become government itself in its actions, but with a corporate membrane protecting it with basically no liability.

02:10:58.000 Here's the analogy of privatization.

02:11:00.000 You've paid for 50 years for a big city golf course.

02:11:04.000 And the owner of a golf course company pays for the campaign of everybody they run for city council and the new mayor.

02:11:13.000 They get elected, and there's been real cases of this, and the city literally, for no money, just signs over the golf course and the profits and says, oh, they'll do a better job of managing this private corporation.

02:11:28.000 The fees are going to go down now at the city golf course.

02:11:32.000 But then you forget two years after that happens, and they double the prices, and then they take a city property you paid for, and they call that privatization.

02:11:42.000 No.

02:11:42.000 That's what the Russian oligarchs did.

02:11:45.000 Six guys.

02:11:46.000 And it's now come out in the BBC and London Independent, that those six guys were all agents of Lord Rothschild.

02:11:54.000 That's mainstream news.

02:11:56.000 Lord Rothschild, the same guy who's over Buffett and Schwarzenegger.

02:12:00.000 They had an article two years before he ran for governor, excuse me, a year before he ran for governor, where it said, he's going to be your governor and your president, he's meeting with Lord Rothschild in the Scotsman.

02:12:11.000 But the point is, they were all front men.

02:12:14.000 They didn't really own it.

02:12:16.000 And so, quote, Russia collapses, and then six guys are given by Yeltsin all the industry, the gold mines, the uranium mines, the oil, the timber, the roads, Six guys, just here.

02:12:33.000 It's yours.

02:12:34.000 Literally, one guy paid for all of the nickel and gold and uranium mines.

02:12:40.000 He got basically 90% of the mining in Russia.

02:12:44.000 He got it for, oh I forgot the PBS documentary, it was like a hundred million dollars.

02:12:49.000 I think it was less than that.

02:12:50.000 A few years ago I researched this.

02:12:53.000 And just one of the mines was worth billions.

02:12:58.000 See?

02:12:59.000 And of course, Lord Rothschild can't openly own all this himself.

02:13:02.000 People get angry.

02:13:03.000 So he has six front men in Russia that own everything.

02:13:10.000 Now, how is that privatization?

02:13:12.000 That is not.

02:13:13.000 That is replacing some communist thugs that basically control all those resources and put it in their own accounts and in their own villas and their own racehorses. 0.65

02:13:24.000 That basically just take it from them and give it to six new guys.

02:13:30.000 Who are fronts.

02:13:32.000 But the average person hears the word privatization.

02:13:36.000 Well, yes, I'm for privatization.

02:13:38.000 But is it privatization?

02:13:40.000 No.

02:13:40.000 It is organized crime consolidation.

02:13:43.000 And that's what global government's about. 0.99

02:13:44.000 These corporations are bigger than governments.

02:13:46.000 They are going to give themselves governmental power through a world government they set up to then order around all of our countries.

02:13:55.000 Let's go back to the calls.

02:13:57.000 Let's talk to Jordan in Illinois.

02:14:01.000 Go ahead, Jordan.

02:14:02.000 I just wanted to finish my point from yesterday.

02:14:02.000 Hey, Alex.

02:14:04.000 I know you had so much stuff that you had to get through it all.

02:14:07.000 Um, but I was telling you there are two things about the Terry Schiavo case that were bothering me.

02:14:10.000 Uh, one of your callers earlier today was saying how there has to be something that's going on.

02:14:16.000 He was saying the guy might be CIA.

02:14:17.000 Well, I've I've been hearing a lot from people who actually live in Clearwater.

02:14:22.000 Well listen, I don't want you to comment, but listen.

02:14:26.000 The government wants to set the precedent to kill people and not pay for them. 0.62

02:14:31.000 Right.

02:14:32.000 Not because they don't have money, but because they want it all to go to themselves.

02:14:34.000 Right.

02:14:35.000 So, there's your conspiracy, is that the death-loving culture is pushing this.

02:14:42.000 But go ahead.

02:14:43.000 Well, I just wanted to say that it seems that everybody who lives there, and from what I've read, this all has to do with Scientology.

02:14:49.000 It's like a cult thing where the Clearwater Bar Association is all involved in it.

02:14:55.000 The police and Bush, who gives money to them, and yadda yadda.

02:14:59.000 I just wanted to add that into the fray.

02:15:01.000 I've read the reports and the evidence is extremely tenuous.

02:15:10.000 Folks, I'm not a Scientologist.

02:15:12.000 I don't know any Scientologists.

02:15:14.000 I don't read L. Ron Hubbard.

02:15:16.000 I didn't mean to say anything like that.

02:15:18.000 I know, but I get those emails.

02:15:22.000 Understand, folks, that I'm not just going to run out and say some group is behind something.

02:15:30.000 Uh, just because, I mean, what we do know is his lawyer is a pro-death guy.

02:15:35.000 And they admit that they're using this as a poster child, so there's your conspiracy right there.

02:15:40.000 Yeah, thank God, Alex.

02:15:42.000 I mean, have you read the stuff his lawyer's written about the death of one of his family members?

02:15:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:46.000 I mean, this guy's a sicko. 1.00

02:15:47.000 I mean, there it is right there. 0.99

02:15:49.000 Thanks for the call.

02:15:51.000 I mean, I've read that stuff, and it's like, yeah, Clearwater's nearby, and there's a Scientologist in the area, and L. Ron Hubbard said we've got a quarantine 2.0s and under, which I don't like the sound of.

02:16:04.000 That sounds pretty eugenics style.

02:16:07.000 So I'll say I don't agree with L. Ron Hubbard on that.

02:16:10.000 But does that mean they're involved?

02:16:12.000 I mean, there's not any real evidence.

02:16:14.000 And now all those people will attack me?

02:16:16.000 Fine.

02:16:17.000 I mean, people are saying that the Schindlers are involved in all this.

02:16:22.000 I don't think there's evidence of that.

02:16:24.000 Now I'm involved, see?

02:16:27.000 Okay, fine.

02:16:29.000 I work for the Easter Bunny, too.

02:16:32.000 Let's talk to Tim in Ohio.

02:16:33.000 Tim, go ahead.

02:16:35.000 Alex, thanks for all your hard work.

02:16:36.000 You are like a breath of fresh air in a broccoli farm.

02:16:39.000 Well, thank you.

02:16:40.000 I don't know what that means, but okay.

02:16:42.000 I'll just leave it at that.

02:16:43.000 As evil and tragic as events are, I have a quick comment and a question for you.

02:16:48.000 As evil and tragic as the events are, I noticed something the other night that gave me just a glimmer of hope.

02:16:55.000 On George Scarborough with his itty-bitty eyes and he had Pat Buchanan on.

02:17:01.000 And I'm telling you Alex, you could have been on that show and all been in the same boat with two of these guys and I thought maybe, man, there's a glimmer of hope there if we can get those three guys in the same boat.

02:17:11.000 And I'm not trying to put any of their thinking onto you.

02:17:14.000 What was Scarborough talking about?

02:17:15.000 They're about tribal.

02:17:17.000 Well, see, the globalists pick issues that we agree with to bind us to them.

02:17:22.000 But remember, rat poison is 98% nutritious food.

02:17:26.000 So do you think that when Terry dies, they'll have the agent provocateurs to come in and start riots so they can ratchet down some police state too and show that, see, we told you, we own you, we control you, we're the gods?

02:17:26.000 Right.

02:17:38.000 That might happen.

02:17:40.000 Great point.

02:17:40.000 I don't know.

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02:21:57.000 They socialize the wealth to get control of society to domesticate us.

02:22:03.000 They then transfer those huge institutions into the hands of private corporations that have paid off and controlled the government.

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02:22:27.000 That's how the scam works.

02:22:29.000 Greg in Florida, then Rodney and Leslie and Mike and others.

02:22:34.000 Go ahead.

02:22:36.000 Go ahead, Greg in Florida.

02:22:38.000 Hello, Alex?

02:22:39.000 Yes.

02:22:39.000 Hi, how are you?

02:22:40.000 Good.

02:22:41.000 I had a couple issues.

02:22:42.000 First of all, I just purchased a new vehicle and the owner of the dealership told me that they had to check my name against A terror watch list.

02:22:53.000 Yeah, the Patriot Act, yeah.

02:22:54.000 Yeah, but to buy a new automobile.

02:22:57.000 Sir, do you have a search engine?

02:23:00.000 Oh, yes.

02:23:01.000 Type in Patriot Act compliance, hundreds of thousands of hits.

02:23:05.000 A lot of businesses have shut down.

02:23:07.000 There's 500,000 people on a criminal watch list.

02:23:11.000 That's also there.

02:23:12.000 350,000 on a terror list.

02:23:14.000 Most of them have never been convicted.

02:23:16.000 And now they're talking about expanding it to anyone ever arrested to a misdemeanor.

02:23:20.000 You won't be able to buy guns, anything.

02:23:22.000 Everything is going to be on that list.

02:23:23.000 And if they don't deny you the car, the bank account, the insurance, There's thousands of things, then they go to prison for 50 years.

02:23:34.000 Oh yeah, I think, I can't remember exactly what the penalty was.

02:23:39.000 It's 50 years, a million dollar fine, 10 years, $500,000, I'm sorry, go ahead.

02:23:44.000 I think it was like a million dollar fine for not, or for, if he sold the vehicle and And my name was on that watch list.

02:23:55.000 Yeah, sir.

02:23:57.000 I'm telling you what it is.

02:23:58.000 There's a million bucks and 50 years in prison.

02:24:02.000 There's $500,000 and five years in... There's about, I don't know, it was like seven different penalties, different calculations, but we're talking about hard prison time.

02:24:12.000 If you sell anything to anybody, including cashing a check for anyone on a watch list, it's just like the flying list.

02:24:18.000 There's all these innocent people on it.

02:24:20.000 Sound like freedom to you?

02:24:20.000 Exactly.

02:24:21.000 Not really.

02:24:22.000 But they order the states to issue ID cards to anyone with any fake ID.

02:24:28.000 That's true.

02:24:29.000 The next issue was over on Easter we watched The Passion of the Christ and there's amazing similarities between that movie and what's going on with Terri Schiavo.

02:24:40.000 Oh yeah, they're torturing her to death.

02:24:42.000 And when you watch the movie and you see where he was carrying the cross and that woman came up to give him water And the authorities came and kicked the water glass out of her hand.

02:24:55.000 I mean, it's just so amazing how... I mean, I think there's an intent there, definitely.

02:25:06.000 The parallels are very scary.

02:25:11.000 Exactly.

02:25:12.000 Very poignant.

02:25:13.000 Thank you.

02:25:13.000 Thanks for the call.

02:25:14.000 Rodney in Texas, welcome.

02:25:18.000 Hello Alex, how are you?

02:25:19.000 Good, sir.

02:25:21.000 Today I'm looking at a story out of the Baltimore Sun's news section, and this shows you the hypocrisy of our courts here.

02:25:30.000 It talks about the Supreme Court's waivers on whether or not to decide whether these Mexican nationals on death row in the states of Texas, California, and Illinois.

02:25:40.000 And they're saying they're going to rule according to international law.

02:25:43.000 That's the thing.

02:25:44.000 And I'm like, wait a minute.

02:25:46.000 Well, I didn't read the article today, but are they saying that?

02:25:46.000 We got an American.

02:25:48.000 Because they've said they're going to rule according to the EU.

02:25:51.000 Exactly.

02:25:52.000 It says either the international court, better known as the world court.

02:25:57.000 And I'm like, wait a minute.

02:25:59.000 We got an American here, Gary Schiavo, dying, and these guys don't even want to hear the case.

02:26:08.000 And yet, these Mexican nationals who are on death row... Sir, this is the most socialistic court ever. 0.99

02:26:15.000 Seven of the nine appointed by Republicans.

02:26:17.000 The Republicans have a huge majority in the House and Senate.

02:26:19.000 They have the executive, 30-plus state governors.

02:26:22.000 And do you see government getting smaller?

02:26:24.000 Do you see freedom?

02:26:25.000 No, you see gun laws being passed.

02:26:27.000 You see open borders.

02:26:28.000 You see total world government.

02:26:29.000 Yeah, they take their marching orders.

02:26:31.000 I mean, you can see in the article, they're taking their marching orders from the World Court.

02:26:35.000 And I guess I'm wondering now, Do we know anything about the people who sit on the world court?

02:26:42.000 You have no right to be arrested for criticizing government.

02:26:46.000 Euthanasia is enforced by the European and international courts.

02:26:51.000 It's horrible.

02:26:52.000 It's bad.

02:26:53.000 It's bad.

02:26:54.000 And I looked at that and I said, oh my God, this is...

02:26:58.000 This is the reason why we're not getting a response from the court.

02:27:02.000 But the average yuppie driving along in their car right now doesn't believe there's a world government, even as it's in all the big Canadian papers.

02:27:08.000 That's all I wanted to touch base with you and Alex.

02:27:11.000 Keep up the good work, friend.

02:27:13.000 Always good to hear from you.

02:27:13.000 Thank you, Rodney.

02:27:15.000 Leslie, Mike and others, you're straight ahead when we get back.

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02:34:37.000 Leslie in Virginia, welcome.

02:34:39.000 Hi, thanks Alex.

02:34:41.000 When you were interviewing the professor, he mentioned that when the Council of Foreign Relations was set up, We came during the era of Woodrow Wilson.

02:34:54.000 Yeah, because they failed with the League of Nations.

02:34:57.000 Absolutely.

02:34:58.000 But the founder of that is none other than Colonel Edward Vandelhouse.

02:35:02.000 And you know who that guy is.

02:35:03.000 He's the guy who set up the Federal Reserve.

02:35:05.000 Yeah, he wrote a book about how they're a global government and how they run everything and how they want a dictatorship.

02:35:10.000 And he's from right here in Austin, Texas.

02:35:12.000 Absolutely.

02:35:13.000 That's the founder.

02:35:14.000 And what I find interesting is It's in his book, Torture and Truth.

02:35:17.000 I haven't read it.

02:35:19.000 But the point being, in that organization you have over 250 of its members that are journalists, correspondents, and communications executives.

02:35:28.000 And so this is why we keep hearing on TV that Terry is just being treated and, you know, they don't use the word executed, but that's why we hear this over and over and over again.

02:35:38.000 Yeah, this allows them of people in key positions of every strata of the economic grid to have a unified, concerted effort.

02:35:46.000 Most of them are on the same page.

02:35:48.000 But what I want, absolutely, what I want to ask, and you're quite aware of the watch list, did he get his book approved, Torture and Truth?

02:35:56.000 I mean, you know what happens to these demonstrators, and he's writing this book, Torture and Truth?

02:36:03.000 I mean, do... I hear you, and I appreciate the call, Leslie.

02:36:06.000 Mike in Arizona.

02:36:08.000 Mike, go ahead.

02:36:09.000 Yes, good afternoon Alex.

02:36:11.000 Hello.

02:36:12.000 Yes, a little bit about this Terry Schiavo thing, it's kind of an offset.

02:36:16.000 A couple hours or so ago you had one of your callers, they were saying there was people down there protesting and it had Nazi flags and things.

02:36:24.000 My kind of question is, you know, I understand that bad things happen in war.

02:36:29.000 But, you know, every time we meet a boogeyman, it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. 0.89

02:36:35.000 Well, that's true, but in this case, it fits.

02:36:37.000 Hitler was big on eugenics. 0.74

02:36:39.000 Well, I understand that, but, you know, when you want to talk about some real evil people, and not necessarily... Well, the shoe fits, where?

02:36:45.000 I mean, Hitler was a pioneer of this exact type of stuff. 0.97

02:36:49.000 Exactly, but we could take a look at, under Stalin, you had Lazar Paganov.

02:36:53.000 They did the exact same stuff.

02:36:56.000 Exactly. 0.56

02:36:58.000 Khrushchev said that he was the butcher of the Ukraine, and he was responsible for killing 20 million Christians, and he starved them to death.

02:37:07.000 And I just, you know, I'm kind of confused, and I say, you know, that there are... No, we exposed Stalin.

02:37:13.000 Yes, you know, I'm not saying necessarily you, but just, you know, in the whole bigger scheme of things, it's always, you know, whenever there's a boogeyman, it's always Hitler, but nobody ever talks about Stalin and Mao, who made Hitler look like an altar boy. 0.60

02:37:27.000 I hear you, I appreciate the call, Mike.

02:37:29.000 John in Ohio, you're on the air.

02:37:31.000 Go ahead, John.

02:37:32.000 Oh yeah, you got me off on another track.

02:37:34.000 I agree with you totally on this culture of death.

02:37:38.000 But we certainly do hear a lot about Stalin, and I would consider that the propaganda of the Cold War as bad as Stalin was, we have to realize there was a powerful vested interest in the Cold War and the military-industrial complex And exaggerating, even a beast like Stalin.

02:37:57.000 So I think this... Okay, but you said you had something else on your mind?

02:38:00.000 Yeah, I was watching CNN last weekend and they wanted to give a prominent coverage to look like Larry Klayman and his statement of trying to bind, as you put it, the pro-life people, and I'm on the left and I agree with you on this, to support for the war, the slaughter in Iraq, 0.85

02:38:23.000 I'm saying that Jeb Bush should ignore the courts, just as the wonderful George Bush ignored the United Nations, which only gave 90% cover for his dirty war, and should have behaved like George Bush did.

02:38:38.000 Well, forget the United Nations!

02:38:40.000 Our federal laws say you can't torture people.

02:38:43.000 Well, exactly, but what I'm saying is, it shows the agenda of the CNN, the media, And singling out this comment by Larry Klayman at the demonstrations down there in Pinellas, Florida.

02:38:56.000 And they're supposedly liberal.

02:38:57.000 What do you specifically think about Terry Schindler?

02:39:01.000 Well, I think that, as you say, this is just an attempt to justify enhancing the profits of the HMOs, the insurance companies, the Wall Street banks that hold the debt that those who want to give this huge tax giveaway to the ultra-rich As a way of then taking that money and resources and redirecting all of the social funds from Medicare, from Medicaid, everything else that George Bush cut off when he was governor. 0.54

02:39:29.000 Okay, and Bush signed a law to just kill you. 0.95

02:39:32.000 People with feeding tubes begging for food, they kill them here in Texas. 1.00

02:39:35.000 Exactly.

02:39:36.000 And we're not supposed to talk about that.

02:39:37.000 Thanks for the call.

02:39:39.000 And again, folks, it just shows how it's all controlled by the same people.

02:39:42.000 Who's up next?

02:39:44.000 Wanda in Missouri, then Laura.

02:39:46.000 Wanda, go ahead. 0.99

02:39:48.000 Well, I have a recommendation, a little Bible verse, and a thought.

02:39:53.000 My recommendation first is that Alex, yesterday, the 28th of March, your explanation of the plans, purposes, and practices of the global elite, who in reality run and control our government, was so lucid and profound, like a revelation to you by God.

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02:40:40.000 Yes.

02:40:42.000 I was really impressed with that yesterday.

02:40:45.000 Well, thank you.

02:40:46.000 What section were you talking about?

02:40:49.000 Well, I was talking about when you were explaining about the Global Elite and what their plans, purposes, and practices were.

02:40:56.000 Talking about peak oil in the third hour?

02:40:59.000 Oh, yes.

02:41:00.000 Yes.

02:41:01.000 And all of the things that they're involved in and why they're involved and how much and whatever.

02:41:07.000 I thought it was really excellent.

02:41:09.000 Well, thank you.

02:41:10.000 And the little scripture that I have is Isaiah 1 verse 7.

02:41:16.000 Your country is desolate.

02:41:18.000 Your cities are burned with fire.

02:41:21.000 Your land, strangers devour it.

02:41:24.000 And your presence, and it is desolate, is overthrown by strangers.

02:41:30.000 And to me this describes this elite that is pilfering and everything and changing our laws and whatever.

02:41:38.000 Well, you're right.

02:41:39.000 They're pilfering, looting.

02:41:41.000 I mean, it's almost like they know something big is coming because I've never seen them going this wild.

02:41:48.000 No.

02:41:49.000 And my thought is to initiate more prayer and protest regarding Terri Shiloh.

02:41:55.000 I agree.

02:41:56.000 More people need to know that when Terri went to the hospital with her heart attack, she also had broken bones and bruises.

02:42:06.000 Yeah, and now, he didn't want to have an autopsy, Michael Schiavo, but now because of pressure, he's saying he will.

02:42:13.000 Well, folks, you can't trust these autopsies to begin with.

02:42:16.000 I mean, we've got, you know, classical cases of this.

02:42:18.000 If it's that same county doing it, I won't believe the autopsy.

02:42:22.000 Plus, bones will heal over ten years.

02:42:26.000 Good to hear from you.

02:42:27.000 Great points.

02:42:27.000 Laura in North Carolina.

02:42:29.000 Laura, go ahead. 1.00

02:42:30.000 Hi, Alex.

02:42:31.000 How you doing?

02:42:32.000 Good.

02:42:33.000 I want to mention something about Terri Schiavo.

02:42:37.000 As far as what it looks like to me, the globalists have an agenda here.

02:42:42.000 They want martial law, and they're marching Terri out before the people to try to get them spooled up to get on their agenda. 0.54

02:42:50.000 We're not reacting fast enough.

02:42:52.000 We're not emotional enough.

02:42:54.000 They're trying to emotionally charge things.

02:42:57.000 Oh yeah, they're using her for that.

02:42:59.000 They're parading her around, going, see what we're doing to her?

02:43:04.000 See what we're doing to her and it's getting worse and worse. 0.59

02:43:07.000 And people, if you made a statement not too long ago, don't uprise and take to the street.

02:43:15.000 Don't do it that way.

02:43:16.000 There's other ways to do what we need to do.

02:43:20.000 And that's what people need to remember right now.

02:43:22.000 Don't be caught up in the emotionalism of this.

02:43:25.000 Yes, Harry is suffering.

02:43:28.000 We understand that, but God puts each and every one of us here for a reason just like He does you.

02:43:32.000 He gave you the ability to speak to people.

02:43:35.000 She may have to go through this in order to do what God wants her to do.

02:43:40.000 Well, I mean, for every place and time there's a different response.

02:43:45.000 And what I'm saying is that they want violence.

02:43:48.000 The government has to blow up its own buildings to blame it on pro-lifers and people.

02:43:53.000 We've caught them doing it before. 0.75

02:43:54.000 And they've got their snipers up there and they'd love to kill a bunch of people and they're still going to kill Terry.

02:44:02.000 I mean, I think if a group of peaceful people went in there, and I think what they're trying to do peacefully to stop it is good.

02:44:07.000 But I have said that they do want to have some type of violent outburst.

02:44:11.000 But that's exactly what they're doing.

02:44:13.000 They're making it worse.

02:44:14.000 I mean, every day it's a little bit more shocking what they're doing.

02:44:18.000 And it's shock value.

02:44:20.000 Well, she's now into day 11.

02:44:21.000 It's been 11 days since they removed her water.

02:44:25.000 Yeah.

02:44:26.000 I'm surprised she's hung on.

02:44:27.000 I figured she'd go over the weekend for sure.

02:44:29.000 And she's hanging on.

02:44:31.000 I mean, even she wants to live.

02:44:33.000 And God's keeping her alive.

02:44:36.000 It has to be that.

02:44:37.000 Well, I know this.

02:44:38.000 It's going to blow up in their face.

02:44:40.000 Absolutely.

02:44:41.000 That they've done this.

02:44:42.000 People need not get caught up in the emotionalism of this.

02:44:46.000 Look at it for what it is.

02:44:47.000 We can deal with our situation without taking to the streets and losing control.

02:44:52.000 Michael Schiavo was nothing more than an OJ.

02:44:55.000 We know that.

02:44:57.000 I appreciate your call.

02:44:59.000 Let me just say this.

02:45:00.000 You look at national polls.

02:45:03.000 They've had three decades, what, 32 years of abortion. 0.99

02:45:10.000 50 million in this country.

02:45:12.000 And despite all their propaganda and all the things they do, record levels of young people, it's like almost 70% now, are against it.

02:45:20.000 Record numbers of women, about 60%.

02:45:22.000 About 65% of men.

02:45:24.000 Just 10 years ago, the numbers were the opposite.

02:45:28.000 Abortions are now going way down. 0.99

02:45:30.000 They should be outlawed.

02:45:32.000 But the point is, despite all their propaganda, people are waking up.

02:45:35.000 Our grassroots education is working.

02:45:39.000 And the way it's trending in another ten years, there will almost be no abortions in this country, and then we'll be able to outright outlaw it.

02:45:45.000 And have people give children up for adoption and things like that.

02:45:49.000 So, it's not going to work for them.

02:45:51.000 They're not going to get away with their social engineering.

02:45:55.000 It's not going to happen.

02:45:57.000 Uh, let's go to Mike in Illinois.

02:45:59.000 Mike, go ahead.

02:46:00.000 North Carolina.

02:46:01.000 North Carolina.

02:46:02.000 I apologize.

02:46:02.000 Go ahead.

02:46:03.000 Alex, uh, I believe that the torture was ordered and probably planned before the war, and I believe it's... Well, that's admitted, sir.

02:46:11.000 That's in the government's own documents.

02:46:13.000 Um, I believe it was... They're creating a certain worldview of the United States.

02:46:19.000 Oh, no!

02:46:20.000 That's admittedly part of the plan.

02:46:21.000 We play the part of the bad cop, yes.

02:46:23.000 Well, it's obvious.

02:46:25.000 Thank you very much.

02:46:27.000 What do you think about Terry?

02:46:29.000 Man, I can't say enough about that subject.

02:46:33.000 You know, I guess I should be down there myself.

02:46:36.000 I don't know if I feel guilty for everything I eat and every drop of water that goes into my mouth.

02:46:41.000 You know, I was just drinking some water, and every time I drink water, I think about Terry now.

02:46:46.000 It's on my mind every day and all night, Alex Patton Slips, since it started.

02:46:50.000 Thank you, my friend.

02:46:52.000 Thank you.

02:46:52.000 And that's because this individual, Terry, brings it to mind.

02:46:56.000 Because we think of things and operate on an individual basis.

02:46:59.000 But I want to remind you, this eugenics is going on all over the country with people who are talking, begging for food. 0.97

02:47:06.000 May I please have food?

02:47:06.000 May I please have water?

02:47:08.000 And Bush, the Democrats, they're all behind it.

02:47:11.000 Schwarzenegger loves it.

02:47:13.000 And so remember that when you're cheering Schwarzenegger on for President, when you're worshipping him at the RNC, as I witnessed.

02:47:21.000 You know, let's be congruent here.

02:47:25.000 Oh, what's the term?

02:47:26.000 Let's be consistent.

02:47:31.000 Let's fight for all the others they're killing.

02:47:33.000 Let's fight against abortion. 0.70

02:47:35.000 Want to save some lives?

02:47:37.000 Let's save lives, not just Terry's, but the lives that nobody wants to talk about.

02:47:41.000 The stuff that goes on under the radar.

02:47:43.000 Let's get beneath the radar, outside the box, and see the big picture.

02:47:49.000 Let's discuss that.

02:47:50.000 I did a pretty good job this hour.

02:47:52.000 I think I took about 15 calls.

02:47:56.000 We'll try to maybe take some more coming up.

02:47:58.000 I mean, I used to take 15 calls in a show.

02:48:00.000 I'm getting better at going to your calls and we're going to continue doing this.

02:48:04.000 I don't know.

02:48:06.000 I get zero direction for this broadcast from the folks running the network, which is why I'm on this network, which is always good.

02:48:11.000 But I do enjoy taking your calls and that's always the high point of my day.

02:48:19.000 We'll come back, depressed and close to quitting over UN scandals.

02:48:22.000 We'll also talk about these earthquakes.

02:48:26.000 At record frequency and severity of earth pains.

02:48:33.000 The sun heating up.

02:48:35.000 Ejecting more radiation in the form of heat.

02:48:40.000 Looks like it's going to get rougher before it gets better.

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02:51:40.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents The Alex Jones Show.

02:51:53.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

02:51:55.000 We'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight central on your local AM and FM affiliates.

02:51:59.000 Want to thank all those great folks out there.

02:52:02.000 And on Global Shortwave at night, 3210 during the day, 9.985.

02:52:04.000 And the internet at infowars.com and Prison Planet.

02:52:10.000 I'm just going to have time to talk to one more caller, Diane in South Carolina. 0.77

02:52:15.000 Diane in South Carolina, go ahead.

02:52:18.000 You know, Bush's administration is using this intentional atmosphere of creating hate, not only of the United States, but of the Christian groups and the liberal groups, because he's doing a lot of this in the name of God, and we all know it's not God.

02:52:31.000 Yeah, balkanization, yeah.

02:52:33.000 But my question is, When the federal government did the Disabilities Act, why did that not give them power to go in and help carry it out?

02:52:40.000 See, they're selectively setting the precedent. 0.72

02:52:42.000 They've been creeping around in the shadows doing it for a long time, of killing people who aren't in a vegetative state.

02:52:48.000 And you shouldn't kill somebody in a vegetative state to begin with.

02:52:50.000 I know.

02:52:51.000 One more question.

02:52:52.000 Is there any way we can pay by phone to use your internet?

02:52:55.000 Because a lot of us don't use stuff over the internet.

02:52:58.000 You're talking about PrisonPlanet.tv?

02:53:00.000 Correct, correct.

02:53:01.000 Is there any way we can pay by phone?

02:53:02.000 Well, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, uh, you know, I think we could do that.

02:53:06.000 I think you could maybe call up my office and we could mail a check and then we could mail you back a passcode to PrisonPlanet.tv, but ma'am, we don't sell names. 0.96

02:53:15.000 It's totally private with a secure, certified... Oh, I'm not worried about that.

02:53:20.000 I'm worried about them getting told our visa numbers again, because a lot of us have been pinned before.

02:53:25.000 But ma'am, that happens from hacks.

02:53:26.000 going into the banks.

02:53:28.000 And let me tell you, most of that happens when you go use a credit card at a store.

02:53:32.000 You see, that goes over the phone lines.

02:53:35.000 I've been dying to get your site.

02:53:38.000 Ma'am, let me tell you something.

02:53:39.000 A lot of those employees are taking those numbers and selling them.

02:53:43.000 Most of the fraud, the mainstream media doesn't like the internet, so they demonize the internet.

02:53:49.000 The internet, statistically, with cashless payments, is safer than going to a store.

02:53:55.000 Well, that's where mom got hit, was at a university bookstore.

02:53:59.000 See, I told you.

02:54:00.000 I've got the actual statistics.

02:54:02.000 It's not true.

02:54:03.000 We have a secure, certified server.

02:54:06.000 Very hard to get.

02:54:07.000 Secure, secure server.

02:54:10.000 That doesn't mean there isn't some hacker that couldn't break in there, but it's 15 times harder than somebody over a phone line at a bank.

02:54:18.000 Thanks for the call.

02:54:19.000 I really appreciate your call.

02:54:21.000 CrimsonPlanet.tv.

02:54:22.000 Or use PayPal, ma'am!

02:54:24.000 Get credits on PayPal, and it's not even... then you're through PayPal.

02:54:27.000 What are you talking about being secure?

02:54:29.000 Don't trust us.

02:54:30.000 Go buy creds with PayPal and do it.

02:54:33.000 Alright.

02:54:35.000 Ah, man.

02:54:36.000 I'm almost out of time here.

02:54:37.000 I've got to hurry.

02:54:39.000 Depressed Annan close to quitting over UN scandals.

02:54:42.000 Coffee Annan, the United Nations Secretary General, is said to be struggling with depression and considering his future.

02:54:49.000 By the way, I don't like to use credit cards at stores.

02:54:52.000 I use cash.

02:54:53.000 Colleagues have reported concerns about Annan ahead of an official report this week that will examine his son Kojo's connection to the controversial issue of oil for food scheme.

02:55:05.000 And Bill Clinton's got seven of the G8, this has been in mainstream papers, lined up.

02:55:10.000 He wants to be Secretary General.

02:55:12.000 We'll probably end up with Bill Clinton as Secretary General in the next few years.

02:55:18.000 And then we got Wolfowitz at the World Bank.

02:55:22.000 Then we're going to have, obviously, Lord Bush.

02:55:25.000 So they'll play the whole fake left-right paradigm from both ends of the spectrum.

02:55:30.000 Hundreds have died in the Indonesian quake, BBC reports.

02:55:34.000 Hundreds of people are believed to have died in Indonesia after a massive earthquake that triggered tsunami alerts around the Indian Ocean.

02:55:41.000 But it wasn't water that killed them.

02:55:43.000 It was Collapsing buildings, it was felt as far away as Malaysia and Singapore, and thousands fled their homes across the region, still reeling from Decembers of devastating tsunami.

02:55:52.000 If I was you, I wouldn't go vacation over there anytime soon.

02:55:56.000 And I've got the report here from the U.S.

02:56:00.000 Geological Survey and others.

02:56:01.000 Earthquakes.

02:56:03.000 In the past 24 hours, a record level, and in the last year, a record level for all recorded history.

02:56:09.000 I mean, 9.2s are mega massive.

02:56:12.000 This one was an 8.7, which is mega.

02:56:17.000 Again, we'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight Central Standard Time.

02:56:20.000 God bless you all.

02:56:21.000 Thanks for your support.

02:56:23.000 Now get out there in the info war and take on the New World Order, because there is a war on for your mind.

02:56:28.000 My new film, Martial Law, is out.

Alex Jones Show - March 29, 2005

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