Alex Jones Show - 20050401_Fri_Alex

00:00:00.000 Big Brother.

00:00:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:09.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:11.000 You want answers?

00:00:13.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:14.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:18.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:22.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:39.000 Thank you so much for joining us live on this Tuesday edition.

00:00:44.000 The 29th day of March 2005.

00:00:48.000 We'll be live for the next three hours right here on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:54.000 And we're going to take a lot of your phone calls in this first hour.

00:00:57.000 I know many of you are chomping at the bit to talk about the Terri Schiavo Schindler case.

00:01:03.000 As she is clearly in her last days.

00:01:07.000 Or end of days.

00:01:09.000 Not long for this world, as they say.

00:01:12.000 A true travesty of justice.

00:01:15.000 A true public execution and torture.

00:01:20.000 It is truly brutal.

00:01:24.000 Also, we'll be talking about the huge earthquake yesterday.

00:01:27.000 They first said it was an 8.3.

00:01:30.000 By the end of the day it was an 8.7 and hundreds are dead.

00:01:35.000 On top of all of this, the Times of London is reporting depressed Kofi Annan close to quitting over UN scandals.

00:01:45.000 And who's waiting in the wings?

00:01:48.000 Bill Clinton!

00:01:50.000 William Jefferson Clinton!

00:01:53.000 And we've got Wolfie Wits, clearly going to be our new World Bank head.

00:01:59.000 They're putting in the little neocons left and right.

00:02:03.000 And by neocons, Bill Clinton was for the war in Serbia, the neocon idea.

00:02:08.000 Bill Clinton is all for the Iraq war.

00:02:11.000 And George Bush has been protecting him all along, blocking release of documents, ordering Congress, which I didn't think the executive could do, to not investigate Clinton.

00:02:23.000 So we'll get into the geopolitical landscape and what it's shaping up.

00:02:28.000 Ebola-like virus deaths in Angola.

00:02:31.000 A rising travel warning issued.

00:02:35.000 That'll be very serious if any of that stuff ever spreads over here.

00:02:42.000 And we'll get into not just the earthquake yesterday, but how earthquakes are at record levels in recorded history right now.

00:02:52.000 We've had two of the biggest earthquakes in recorded history just in the last four months.

00:03:00.000 Less than four months.

00:03:03.000 And at the same time, there's a whole bunch of new developments concerning Terry Schiavo.

00:03:11.000 Terry's demonstrating her will to live, follow the Constitution, Governor Bush, grant clemency to Terry Schiavo Schindler.

00:03:22.000 At the same time, different law enforcement groups are calling for a criminal investigation and a freeze on the dehydration and murder of Terry Schiavo Schindler.

00:03:35.000 But as we learned over the weekend, they were already sending state police to rescue her, but the little Pinellas Park police said they were going to have a standoff with them and even joked how many of us can hold off the National Guard, and Jeb Bush did absolutely nothing.

00:03:51.000 He can pardon drug dealers.

00:03:55.000 His brother can pardon drug dealers and murderers.

00:03:59.000 Bill Clinton can do it, but we can't do it for this woman. 1.00

00:04:02.000 And it's been said a thousand times, I'll say it again, you can't execute an axe murderer the way they're executing Terry.

00:04:10.000 And I've heard so much incredible spin.

00:04:13.000 The Associated Press is reporting that, oh, she's being cared for and treated at the hospital, and she's only had her food taken away.

00:04:23.000 Well, no.

00:04:24.000 She's had her food and water taken away.

00:04:26.000 And she's not being cared for.

00:04:28.000 She's being murdered.

00:04:30.000 So stop redefining reality.

00:04:33.000 Stop editing reality.

00:04:36.000 Stop engaging in these semantical frauds.

00:04:42.000 There is so much other key news and information coming up.

00:04:46.000 We have a big guest in the second hour.

00:04:49.000 He so happens to be a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:04:55.000 He'll be talking about torture with us.

00:04:57.000 You don't want to miss that.

00:04:59.000 Stay with us.

00:05:01.000 Hey folks, Alex Jones here.

00:05:03.000 And the behavior of our police is a reflection of our government.

00:05:06.000 One look in the mirror and we know our country is entering a high-tech police state.

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00:05:14.000 In downtown Seattle today, the First Amendment ended.

00:05:18.000 A civil emergency was created by the police.

00:05:21.000 Why have police attacked people on the streets indiscriminately?

00:05:24.000 The medical bills are going to be enormous for me.

00:05:29.000 You see them here with their hands cuffed behind their backs.

00:05:32.000 They are being led into the Sandpoint Brig.

00:05:35.000 The neighbors in that area, Sandpoint Naval Air Station, were shocked to hear that the old brig was being reopened.

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00:08:04.000 Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.

00:08:09.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:13.000 All right, second segment.

00:08:25.000 Eight minutes, twenty-five seconds into this first hour.

00:08:29.000 That confuses some people.

00:08:31.000 They say, second segment?

00:08:32.000 We just tuned in to you.

00:08:33.000 We were just listening to the news.

00:08:35.000 I think it's fine if our affiliates carry the news.

00:08:39.000 But to be quite frank with you folks, we cover the real news in the first five minutes of each hour.

00:08:47.000 We cover a lot more news than you hear on most of these news feeds on the different different networks out there.

00:08:54.000 Some of the broadcasts on our network choose to have news play before their shows and that's their prerogative.

00:09:02.000 But I choose to not have it because more of our stations do want that first little five-minute segment and they opt out of the supposed news and just get it here.

00:09:15.000 So we are into our second segment now and I do have a Council on Foreign Relations member His book is published by the Council on Foreign Relations, that organization openly calling for world government, with most prominent members of academia, finance, government, media, the arts being members of it.

00:09:37.000 And this member of the CFR has written a book that I agree with, against torture.

00:09:43.000 And so we're going to be having him on to talk about torture, and who knows, maybe a little bit about the CFR.

00:09:53.000 Because the CFR, of course, does have its token good members in it.

00:09:58.000 I guess kind of for PR purposes, but this is an interview you do not want to miss coming up in the middle of the next hour.

00:10:05.000 Well, at the start of the next hour, in the middle of the broadcast.

00:10:09.000 The middle third of this transmission against tyranny.

00:10:13.000 Boy, I tell you, I'm awake now.

00:10:16.000 I had just gotten some coffee kind of late in the morning.

00:10:22.000 I had it sitting up here on my broadcast desk and for some reason was grabbing at some papers under the stack and knocked the whole giant brimming container that I just got at the Rockefeller Exxon into my lap.

00:10:40.000 I was up late working last night.

00:10:42.000 I did the Jeff Rents radio program and then did about three hours of research after that.

00:10:47.000 So I went to sleep about 3 a.m.

00:10:49.000 Still got up pretty early this morning, but never got around to making any coffee.

00:10:53.000 So when I left the house and went to the office, I pulled in and got some coffee.

00:10:58.000 Just a few minutes after I had gotten into the studio, in the middle of that last break, spilt it into my lap, so I am, I think, more awake now than if I would have drunk that coffee.

00:11:09.000 Alright, enough with the mindless issues.

00:11:13.000 I don't think you tune in to hear me talk about coffee, do you?

00:11:16.000 Bill in Ireland, and Kenneth in Louisiana, James in North Carolina, Johnny in Canada, John in Texas, We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.

00:11:24.000 I want to do things a little bit different today.

00:11:26.000 I normally go to calls about 30 minutes into the broadcast.

00:11:29.000 We're just going to go to your calls basically immediately.

00:11:32.000 And then I'll get into depressed Annan, that's Coffee Annan, for those educated in the government training camps, close to quitting over UN scandals.

00:11:45.000 And a lot of our conservative listeners are probably saying, hooray, hip-hip, hooray!

00:11:49.000 I mean, Kofi Annan's involved in white slavery rings, Kofi Annan's involved in bid-rigging and scamming and UN food for oil frauds. 0.98

00:11:59.000 He's horrible! 1.00

00:12:00.000 Sex orgies at the UN. 1.00

00:12:03.000 He's horrible. 1.00

00:12:04.000 They're all horrible. 0.97

00:12:06.000 He's a lot better, though, than Kurt Voltheim, the SS officer who hunted down American soldiers and killed them. 0.99

00:12:12.000 He's like a demon compared to Satan. 0.87

00:12:15.000 Yes, he's of hell, but is he the worst? 0.91

00:12:18.000 Of course, there really is no lesser of two evils, so it's all part and parcel of the same flock of blackbirds.

00:12:28.000 At the same time, we have Kofi Annan talking about leaving, and Bill Clinton's lined up.

00:12:33.000 He's got six of the G8, excuse me, seven of the G8 lined up.

00:12:38.000 It's been in major publications for four years that Lord Clinton wants to be Secretary General, and it's the U.S.' 's turn.

00:12:46.000 The U.S.

00:12:47.000 has never had a Secretary General.

00:12:52.000 Never had a Secretary General, and so We're going to get into why this is shaping up to happen.

00:13:00.000 Of course, Ebola-like virus deaths rise in Angola.

00:13:05.000 Travel warning issued.

00:13:08.000 Hundreds died in the Indonesian quake that was an 8.7 right in the same area as the quake that killed hundreds of thousands via tsunamis back on the 26th of December.

00:13:20.000 And hundreds are confirmed dead, they're saying thousands may have died, but not from rising water this time, but from collapsing buildings.

00:13:28.000 In some areas, some of the islands that were hit by quakes, the quake went on for six minutes!

00:13:35.000 The question is, is this a precursor to something larger, volcanic and tectonic activity?

00:13:44.000 Alright folks, it's Alex Jones and it is Friday, the first day of this new month, April. 0.95

00:13:53.000 And no, this is not April Fools.

00:13:56.000 The network is unable to connect to any of its talk show hosts.

00:14:01.000 that are in Texas via the digital lines.

00:14:03.000 I don't want to say it's a conspiracy, but we're going to try to get this fixed so I can give you a live broadcast on this Friday.

00:14:12.000 This happens a few times a year, though it's interesting that it's just Texas that is affected from the Home Office of Minnesota cannot connect.

00:14:22.000 But there's so much news that needs to be covered.

00:14:26.000 If I don't go live today, we don't get it fixed on this Friday edition.

00:14:30.000 Don't worry, we're going to have a CFR member on talking about torture and the interview from a few days ago that a lot of folks missed.

00:14:36.000 I've been requesting Jim Tucker about the Bilderberg Group.

00:14:40.000 That is going to play in the third hour.

00:14:44.000 So two great interviews coming up.

00:14:46.000 Or if we get this fixed, I'll be live and in stereo for you folks instead of sitting here walking around the studio via a cell phone.

00:14:58.000 A few of the news items that just have got to be covered.

00:15:00.000 Oil prices may see super spike.

00:15:03.000 Crude oil prices rose on Friday after a leading investment bank and energy markets trader said the prices could eventually top $100 a barrel.

00:15:13.000 And if that happened, you'd be paying about $4 a gallon, my friends.

00:15:20.000 Also, the Pope has had his last rites after heart failure this morning.

00:15:26.000 Rome, the condition of Pope John Paul II was very grave.

00:15:30.000 The Vatican said Friday morning, and he had been given last rites for suffering cardiovascular collapse.

00:15:36.000 That's the quote from the Vatican on Thursday.

00:15:38.000 But the Pope, 84, whose health has taken a steep dive in the past two months, Decided himself not to go to the hospital, and on Friday morning he was still conscious, lucid, and tranquil.

00:15:50.000 His chief spokesman, Jacqueline Navarro-Vowles, said in a statement he was being treated in the chambers by a team of doctors that includes intensive care specialists and a cardiologist.

00:16:04.000 His assistant said in a statement, the Pope's apartment is now equipped with complete and efficient health facilities.

00:16:12.000 It continued, the statement did not indicate specifically if the Pope had suffered a heart attack or some other form of cardiovascular failure.

00:16:19.000 The latest crisis, a day after his doctors treated him with a feeding tube, was set off Thursday by a urinary tract infection, which the Vatican said had caused a high fever and plummeting blood pressure in the already frail Pope, who has been suffering for more than a decade from Parkinson's disease.

00:16:38.000 So, Pope John Paul II is not doing well, and if he does die, this is going to be a big deal, whoever this new Pope is, regardless of the fact if you're Catholic or not.

00:16:48.000 I'm not Catholic, but there's 40 million Catholics in America, hundreds of millions worldwide, I don't know, what is it, 800, 900 million?

00:16:55.000 I don't want to speak out of turn on that.

00:16:57.000 I'm not sure of the exact numbers.

00:16:59.000 But whoever this next pope is, it's going to be a big deal for world politics.

00:17:07.000 Also, Bush was on TV yesterday saying, yeah, the CIA screwed up.

00:17:14.000 This is why we've got to have more power and bigger agencies and let me reform everything, i.e.

00:17:19.000 take over More of a takeover by the people that told the lies.

00:17:23.000 Dick Cheney went to the CIA, ordered them to put out these assessments, ordered them to lie, and then now they blame them for following their orders.

00:17:33.000 It's like they ordered the people at these camps to torture.

00:17:36.000 We have the memos from the now Attorney General, then one of the Chief Councils of the White House, Alberto Gonzalez, saying, yes, we're torturing people, but it's not torture if we don't mean to kill them.

00:17:47.000 You know, all this weird double-speak, and then people go to prison, but not the government that gave the orders to do it.

00:17:52.000 That's like if a Mafia Don orders somebody to go kill someone, and then everybody admits the Mafia Don gave the order, but when they bust the hitman, the Mafia Don doesn't get in trouble.

00:18:02.000 So, out of a crisis, out of a lie Bush tells, and Bumsfeld and the rest of them tell, along with the Democrats, they then spin this Into C, we need more power and control, and even bigger intelligence agencies, and now they've got, from the Iran-Contra fame, and the Negroponte, John Negroponte, the chief head of all intelligence, Porter Goss, who helped cover up 9-11, and clearly was involved at certain levels, is now the CIA director.

00:18:33.000 Chertoff, who was involved in cover-ups, is now Homeland Security head.

00:18:36.000 They're putting all their people in place.

00:18:39.000 And none of this anti-terror funding has anything to do with terrorism.

00:18:43.000 Plus, there's another article here I have.

00:18:45.000 The Pentagon is saying that, yes, they're going to need a draft.

00:18:48.000 And that article is on PrisonPlanet.com and TheInfoWars.com.

00:18:53.000 We're going to go back to this rebroadcast and then into those interviews.

00:18:57.000 I want to thank you for joining us.

00:18:59.000 Again, my heart goes out to Terry Shivo Schindler.

00:19:03.000 And it's just, the more I research this case, the more despicable what happens.

00:19:09.000 more clear the evidence of how despicable this act was the more that comes out.

00:19:14.000 But again, we will attempt to get me here up on the air via the digital lines.

00:19:20.000 And if not, you've got some great interviews we did throughout the week that you're looking forward to in the second and in the third hours.

00:19:30.000 So again, please stay with us.

00:19:32.000 We'll be back after this quick break.

00:19:35.000 And don't forget my new film, Martial Law.

00:19:37.000 9-11 Rise of the Police State has now been released.

00:19:39.000 It's out on DVD.

00:19:42.000 We'll be right back.

00:19:43.000 Next time I'm talking about somebody who's begging for food and water who can actually talk.

00:19:48.000 Honey, can I please have some water? 0.70

00:19:50.000 No, you're gonna die.

00:19:51.000 The Bioethics Board says so.

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00:19:57.000 We'll be right back, stay with us.

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00:24:08.000 Well, I won't back down.

00:24:12.000 I'll say this.

00:24:15.000 The social architects thought that they would use the Terry Schindler case.

00:24:20.000 I've said this game.

00:24:21.000 To train us to accept the torture and execution of people that are paralyzed.

00:24:29.000 But it's going to blow up in their face.

00:24:31.000 If Terry dies from the abuse they've been inflicting on her, if it continues much longer, she will be a martyr for the right to life and pro-life movement.

00:24:45.000 John in Texas, thanks for holding, go ahead.

00:24:48.000 Hi Alex.

00:24:48.000 Can you hear me?

00:24:51.000 You know, when the Romans used to nail a guy to the cross to crucify him, it wasn't a nail that killed him.

00:24:56.000 It was the lack of food, water, and his organs were shut down.

00:25:00.000 And it was a cruel death, and they knew it.

00:25:01.000 That's why they did it.

00:25:03.000 So it sort of looks like we're living in a new Rome, don't it?

00:25:07.000 Well, actually, what killed you was suffocation, generally, because you couldn't support

00:25:14.000 uh... your diaphragm because you were hanging by your arms and that's why people were still alive usually uh... after five or six hours the romans would break your legs because sometimes people could still partially support themselves and give their diaphragm purchase they'll hold themselves up but uh... you're right it was a very cruel form of torture and it's ranked right up there with that as far as I'm concerned when they slowly start somebody up like that and uh...

00:25:41.000 And it won't give them any kind of treatment or nothing.

00:25:43.000 It ranks up there with crucifixion.

00:25:45.000 No, you're absolutely right.

00:25:47.000 And they use a very sophisticated, lawyer-like, semantical spin when they say, well, she's going to feel euphoria.

00:25:56.000 And it's true. 0.56

00:25:57.000 Right before you go into a coma, generally, from dehydration, you will feel euphoric for a few minutes, a few hours.

00:26:05.000 But we're talking about days and weeks of torture before that.

00:26:08.000 So it's all semantical.

00:26:14.000 I know another trick that the Romans had was they used to take Christian babies and hang them from a long pole in the arena and let starving hyenas tear them apart. 0.97

00:26:21.000 Well that's true, but the Christians were with Al Qaeda though.

00:26:26.000 We have to stop Al-Qaeda. 0.92

00:26:28.000 But if you read what's been going on in these abortion clinics with these partial birth abortions, especially where two-legged Irene is ripping them apart, I don't see any difference. 0.98

00:26:35.000 I just don't like the way this country's going.

00:26:37.000 Yep, hundreds of thousands of babies a year that could be adopted, no reason to kill them in the late third trimester.

00:26:44.000 Thanks for the call, John.

00:26:45.000 I hear ya.

00:26:46.000 Johnny in Canada.

00:26:47.000 Johnny, welcome.

00:26:48.000 Hey, how's it going, Alex?

00:26:49.000 Good, sir.

00:26:50.000 I took a little vacation this weekend to visit some family for Easter, and I took a drive up the highway up here in B.C., and what I saw was, I don't know, it was weird.

00:27:01.000 It was about 50 or 60 military, probably Canadian trucks that were coming down the highway at different times, and they had It's weird what they look like.

00:27:13.000 I don't know if they were Russian or Dutch flags flying from parts of the truck, just like tied to them, kind of like a little flag.

00:27:22.000 Well, there's always a lot of foreign troops doing maneuvers here in the United States, especially in the South and Southwest, but I don't know about what's going on up in Canada.

00:27:33.000 Well, I don't know.

00:27:34.000 I found it kind of weird until I saw a little something on resistancemanifesto.com Which talks about concentration camps, right?

00:27:44.000 And on one of their little flag show things, I see this enemy prisoner of war compound sign, which is, I guess, a concentration camp.

00:27:53.000 And on one of these pictures is this flag.

00:27:57.000 Blue, white, and red.

00:27:59.000 I don't know what that means.

00:28:00.000 Well, I'll have to check that out.

00:28:02.000 I appreciate the call, Johnny.

00:28:05.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Kenneth in Louisiana.

00:28:08.000 Kenneth, welcome.

00:28:10.000 Hello there, Alex.

00:28:11.000 Hello, sir.

00:28:12.000 How we doing today?

00:28:13.000 Doing a radio broadcast and talking to you, so I'm doing pretty good.

00:28:17.000 Okie doke. 0.85

00:28:18.000 I thought I heard over the weekend on one of the news broadcasts that Governor Bush, with his office, was taking any suggestions from anybody that had any ideas on what they could do.

00:28:31.000 Well, that's true.

00:28:33.000 Look, this is what happened over the weekend.

00:28:37.000 Last week the Congress subpoenaed Terry and this little nothing judge said no. 0.84

00:28:45.000 Which is ridiculous.

00:28:47.000 Now, then the governor was going to send in the state police via abuse charges for an investigation, but didn't.

00:28:55.000 The governor could do this if he wanted to, he isn't.

00:28:58.000 He's just basically using it as a political set piece.

00:29:02.000 Yeah, I thought it might be interesting if he stuck somebody from his office on there just to see what they had to say.

00:29:08.000 Well, they're pretty swamped.

00:29:09.000 I'm told it's hard to even get through to the Governor's office, period.

00:29:13.000 Much less get a spokesperson on.

00:29:16.000 And one other question I had, a few years ago, this thing about Bill Clinton and the head of the U.N.

00:29:22.000 had come up.

00:29:23.000 And somewhere I heard that if the country sits on the Security Council, you can't have anybody from that country being the head of the U.N.

00:29:34.000 You know, I believe that's the case, but I'd have to check that out.

00:29:38.000 Yeah, if I'd mentioned it, I'd heard that, and maybe you could check it out.

00:29:41.000 I'm glad you raised that, because Bill Clinton says he wants to be Secretary General, and a lot of major publications say he's probably going to be the next person.

00:29:49.000 We'll be right back.

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00:33:24.000 Let's go straight back to the calls and talk to James in North Carolina.

00:33:28.000 James, hello.

00:33:29.000 Hey, how you doing?

00:33:32.000 I'm doing alright, James.

00:33:33.000 Yeah, but it makes it hard to do alright when hearing all this news.

00:33:39.000 Um, my father, They didn't know if he had Parkinson's disease or Alzheimer's but he had to go to a rest home and they put him on feeding tubes and then with water and food and then he naturally died of a heart attack and I say why take these people off these things this this is terrible You know what this is leading up to?

00:34:07.000 Well, in a lot of cases, people are in bad shape, but then they get better about half the time.

00:34:15.000 Even when they're elderly, if they have to go on a feeding tube, they build their strength back up, and in many cases, you know, live another decade.

00:34:22.000 Yeah, I mean, my father used to sit there and eat.

00:34:25.000 Now, he wasn't like her, but he could sit in there and say, son, what did you have to eat today?

00:34:32.000 Because he was swallowing a sock that couldn't work anymore so we fed him on the tube in water.

00:34:41.000 Well that happens to a lot of people.

00:34:42.000 In fact, my grandfather on my mother's side and my grandmother on my father's side both had strokes and they were both associated with having surgery because that's how it always happens, blood clots.

00:34:56.000 And they both had their throats paralyzed where they couldn't eat.

00:34:59.000 And my grandmother went on trips all over the country, cooked food, I guess for about six, seven, eight years, longer than that, before she finally died.

00:35:10.000 But according to these bioethicists, they'd just go ahead and kill her, because her life isn't valuable.

00:35:15.000 Thanks for the call.

00:35:18.000 But, uh, she toughed it out for a long time.

00:35:20.000 My, my grandfather, uh, he, uh, I guess he lived about five years after that happened, and he, he went from weighing about 250 pounds down to probably about 170.

00:35:32.000 He never got really, really skinny.

00:35:36.000 But, uh, it, it wasn't fun, but, you know, he was, he had a pretty good quality of life.

00:35:41.000 The point is, you don't want to get the government involved in, oh, you have quality, you don't have quality.

00:35:45.000 You understand?

00:35:47.000 They're using the Terry Shiloh Schindler case.

00:35:50.000 We say Schindler, folks, because her husband has left her for ten years, has another wife, has children.

00:35:57.000 Under any gauge of civil law, he has divorced her.

00:36:03.000 He has left her.

00:36:04.000 He has abandoned her.

00:36:06.000 And, of course, I don't know if you know the story.

00:36:08.000 Some people still that I talk to on the street, or who email me, don't know the story.

00:36:12.000 He said he wanted to rehabilitate her until he got the settlement.

00:36:17.000 $300,000 for himself and $700,000 for her.

00:36:20.000 As soon as he got the settlement, he totally changed and said, no more treatment, no more nothing. 1.00

00:36:25.000 When is that bitch going to die? 1.00

00:36:28.000 That's from the affidavit. 1.00

00:36:31.000 And she was responding very nicely to the treatment.

00:36:38.000 To the rehabilitation.

00:36:41.000 So, they're now redefining terms.

00:36:44.000 And it's very, very scary.

00:36:47.000 Let's go ahead now and talk to Dave in Wisconsin.

00:36:51.000 Dave, welcome.

00:36:52.000 Good day, anyway, Alex.

00:36:56.000 I just wanted to bring up a couple things.

00:36:57.000 I was down there at Pinellas Park for the last week, and I don't know if you knew that they had snipers on the roof.

00:37:04.000 Around the buildings, they had two on the hospice that I personally saw, and then they had one on a utility shut, probably about a quarter of a mile away.

00:37:13.000 Well, listen, I mean, we've gone out and had land rights rallies, Second Amendment rallies, and they've had SWAT teams.

00:37:20.000 I mean, I've been walking and seen the rifle aimed at my head, and I start waving at them, and you know, the guys laugh at me.

00:37:26.000 And I'm just walking around, you know, wearing a t-shirt and blue jeans, no weapons, with a bullhorn.

00:37:31.000 uh... but uh... finally people did quote rush instead of one at a time being arrested with glasses of water yesterday and uh... NPR did call it they said the violence escalated with the protesters implying that there had already been violence and then they went on to say when they rushed the police with glasses of water

00:37:59.000 Well, that's not violent, but there they are again, semantically manipulating words.

00:38:05.000 Also, we were out there with a picture of Auschwitz and we also brought up on the sign that it was before where they started with that secret program the Nazis did of starving children to death, disabled children.

00:38:19.000 And the press, we went out with a Nazi flag and the press pretty much ignored us for the most part.

00:38:26.000 They don't want to go that way, they don't want to compare it to Nazi Germany.

00:38:31.000 Well, I've talked to other people that are there, and you'll have hundreds of people with anti-death signs, but the media, and I've seen it on the news and in AP and other snapshots, they will show the one or two signs that are for killing Terry.

00:38:47.000 Yeah, and I heard one person say that there was about an equal amount of protesters on both sides, which was totally untrue.

00:38:54.000 The most I saw were six for killing Terry, and there was probably 200 to 300 on the other side at the time that she was saying this.

00:39:04.000 Well, when you notice, the news doesn't like to show wide shots of the crowd.

00:39:08.000 That's a trick they play.

00:39:10.000 Since you raised Hitler, since you brought up Adolf Hitler, Shortly after being elected, the Nazi doctrine was kill the old, the infirm, the psychologically unclean. 0.89

00:39:26.000 They called it racial sanitation.

00:39:31.000 And the first person that they publicly killed, now the Nazis for two years after getting into office were killing most of the people in the hospitals, taking their food and water away, giving injections to people that were paralyzed even from the chest down if they weren't politically connected.

00:39:53.000 This is part of the mainstream history books.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, that was part of T4.

00:39:57.000 It was secret to keep it from the German people for a long time.

00:40:01.000 Exactly, until 1935.

00:40:03.000 And just like with the Schiavo case...

00:40:05.000 They picked a poster child, because they know that human beings interface on an individual basis.

00:40:11.000 So, through the image of one person, it's easier for us to get a concept.

00:40:16.000 Stalin said it.

00:40:18.000 One person dies, it's a tragedy.

00:40:20.000 10,000 die, it's a statistic.

00:40:22.000 So, this family, who were high-level Nazis, wrote a letter to the Fuhrer that was published in newspapers and put in newsreels, and Hitler talked about it in the national speech.

00:40:33.000 In 1935, when he then introduced this to the German people and went public, kind of the maiden voyage where they publicly launched it. 0.98

00:40:42.000 And Hitler read the letter on the air, and I read a copy of the letter, and it was, our son is totally unhappy, he is an idiot, that was the term for being retarded, he was really autistic. 0.98

00:40:54.000 And all he does is walk around, you know, in the woods and murmur and say the same thing over and over again. 1.00

00:41:01.000 Oh please, Fuhrer, give us permission to kill him and rid the Reich of this, you know, of this... They use the same term that eugenics individuals use in this country. 0.90

00:41:15.000 So, Hitler said, all right, you can kill him. 0.97

00:41:19.000 And it was a loving, good thing that Fuhrer did. 0.99

00:41:21.000 And it was all over Nazi news.

00:41:24.000 And in America, Hitler was hailed by the eugenics crowd that runs Planned Parenthood today. 0.78

00:41:29.000 Margaret Sanger got awards from Hitler, gave awards to Hitler.

00:41:33.000 All of this.

00:41:34.000 And so you're absolutely right.

00:41:37.000 And then a few years later, they were basically killing everybody.

00:41:39.000 Yep.

00:41:41.000 And that's where we're headed.

00:41:42.000 If people don't get out there and try to stop them.

00:41:45.000 But notice they use these special cases to introduce it to the public.

00:41:51.000 Any other observations you made, Dave, while you were in Pinellas Park, Florida?

00:41:56.000 Yeah, I would say that the crowd was very peaceful, and I actually, for when they were in their murdering in person, I thought they should have been a little more vocal and raucous, even though the family would have been a little Upset because they claimed we were disturbing the other patients at that hospice.

00:42:15.000 But, you know, people, if they love their family members, should get them out of that hospice.

00:42:20.000 Are you saying family members of other people in the hospice or the Schindlers?

00:42:24.000 Family members of both, as a matter of fact.

00:42:27.000 One lady, her aunt had died.

00:42:29.000 She said that we were upsetting other patients in there.

00:42:32.000 Well, you know, that's not your problem.

00:42:35.000 That's the problem of the people engaging in murder.

00:42:39.000 Absolutely.

00:42:40.000 Listen, I want to say this right now.

00:42:43.000 I'm tired of all the word manipulation.

00:42:45.000 I mean, that's the nature of what Eric Blair, known as George Orwell, wrote about in 1984.

00:42:51.000 They call it, in the news, she's being given treatment.

00:42:54.000 She's being given care in the hospice right now.

00:42:59.000 They get on the news and say we can't give her water because it might hurt her.

00:43:03.000 Folks, I've actually heard them say this on national news.

00:43:07.000 They're changing all of these semantics around.

00:43:10.000 It's a fraud!

00:43:12.000 They're turning us into a deaf culture. 1.00

00:43:14.000 Totally.

00:43:15.000 They certainly are.

00:43:16.000 Anything else, Steve?

00:43:17.000 No, that would be all.

00:43:18.000 Thank you very much.

00:43:19.000 I have one last question.

00:43:20.000 What prompted you to get in your car and drive down there from Wisconsin?

00:43:25.000 Well, I looked at it myself and another pastor, as a matter of fact.

00:43:29.000 We looked at it as kind of a watershed case.

00:43:33.000 In that they want to, you know, basically get into the general public euthanasia.

00:43:38.000 No, you're right.

00:43:39.000 It's like Roe v. Wade.

00:43:42.000 It's being introduced to us, and now the next time we hear about it, we won't be as upset, and it'll also give us this feeling of defeatism, this feeling of it can't be stopped.

00:43:54.000 That's right, and that's exactly what they're doing.

00:43:57.000 They're going to shove it down our throats whether we like it or not.

00:43:59.000 And if you watch the National News and the spin they're putting on it, like you say, they're euphoric when they're going without food and water. 1.00

00:44:06.000 I mean, these idiots, I wish they'd go without food and water for a couple of days. 0.99

00:44:11.000 Well, I fasted one time, just because it is healthy to do occasionally, for four days. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Man, I did not enjoy it, but they say that not eating is nothing compared to not drinking.

00:44:24.000 Thanks for the call.

00:44:26.000 I really do appreciate that, and I appreciate you going down there.

00:44:29.000 You did the right thing.

00:44:31.000 God bless you, Dave.

00:44:33.000 Now, they know exactly what they're doing with this case.

00:44:37.000 John in Tennessee.

00:44:38.000 John, go ahead.

00:44:39.000 Hello.

00:44:40.000 I have a question about Colonel Bogright filing affidavits of citizen's arrest against Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer.

00:44:48.000 But of course it did not succeed.

00:44:51.000 And Gritz was arrested for trying to bring water to Terry, which serves no useful purpose.

00:44:56.000 Now to make a citizen's arrest, a person must make physical contact with the arrestee and take them into custody.

00:45:04.000 But to file a legitimate criminal complaint and get the police to make an arrest, It can only be filed with a judge in criminal court who holds an instant hearing on probable cause to determine if he should issue an arrest warrant.

00:45:16.000 But Gritz filed his affidavit with the prosecutor and Governor Bush, so it had no effect.

00:45:22.000 And my question is, as a military officer, Gritz is still in the Army Reserves, so is he an infiltrator that could subvert the arrest?

00:45:31.000 Well, his name is He is bogue rights! 0.99

00:45:36.000 Just so you know, it's not grits.

00:45:38.000 That's my take on it.

00:45:40.000 Okay, I understand.

00:45:41.000 It's tongue-in-cheek.

00:45:43.000 Was he sent to protect the massive insurance-reserved frauds in these medical death camps?

00:45:48.000 And to protect Bush and protect the genocide of 7,000 Americans every day in bed-now practice and aborticide? 0.71

00:45:55.000 Or is he legitimate?

00:45:57.000 John, you know what?

00:46:00.000 I don't think Bo was down there for a bad reason.

00:46:04.000 I think he was down there because he's legitimately concerned and I appreciate your call.

00:46:11.000 Listen, I have nothing against Bo Grites. 1.00

00:46:13.000 I got in a big fight with him on air one time when he was a guest because he's arrogant and he won't admit that he was wrong about what he said about Patriots on CNN.

00:46:24.000 But for those that don't know, remember the Teenager, or he was like a college student, 19 years old, who was bombing all over the Midwest.

00:46:38.000 Little mailbox bombs that, thank God, didn't hurt anybody.

00:46:43.000 And I looked at the bombs on TV, the map, and I said, that's almost a smiley face.

00:46:49.000 And then listeners emailed and said, have you seen Fight Club with Tyler Durgan?

00:46:54.000 Where they bomb the shape of smiley faces in buildings.

00:46:57.000 And I said, yep, this is some young drug head who thinks he's part of Fight Club.

00:47:04.000 And that is exactly what it was.

00:47:06.000 And we're on record predicting that.

00:47:08.000 Now we're on air saying what it is with basic criminology.

00:47:11.000 Thanks to you, the listeners, for putting our heads together.

00:47:14.000 That's what police do.

00:47:15.000 They get a bunch of detectives in a room and brainstorm for, you know, ten hours around coffee.

00:47:20.000 Well, that's what we did.

00:47:21.000 We had the answer. 0.92

00:47:23.000 When the government was sucking their thumbs and had no idea what was going on. 0.85

00:47:27.000 Well, Bo gets up on CNN.

00:47:28.000 This was like two or three years ago, so I forget all the details.

00:47:33.000 He gets up basically out of the video clip somewhere and says, well this is this right-wing, militia-type, black helicopter crowd.

00:47:39.000 That's probably who's behind it.

00:47:42.000 Now, that's pretty suspect, and I don't know why he said that.

00:47:45.000 And then I got him up on the air and said he was wrong, and he said, no, I'm not wrong.

00:47:49.000 So that's why I don't interview Bo, I don't, uh, you know, I don't, I don't, uh, I mean, it was bad.

00:47:54.000 I mean, I've said stuff that's wrong before, nothing of that magnitude, but I'll say I'm wrong.

00:48:00.000 But I don't want to sit here and say, Bo's some government agent, and he's bad, and... And this brings me into a whole other subject, and we'll go to Jim and others.

00:48:10.000 I've heard people on the radio saying it's all a giant theatrical production.

00:48:17.000 That this is all a staged event and the Schindlers are in on it. 1.00

00:48:22.000 Folks, that is clearly not true.

00:48:24.000 I've interviewed the Schindlers three, four years ago. 0.63

00:48:28.000 You're right in the fact that you're saying that it's a theater.

00:48:32.000 That the media has decided to focus in on this.

00:48:36.000 But the Schindlers are good people. 1.00

00:48:38.000 And I'm really, you know, my heart goes out to them, but this happens.

00:48:45.000 Folks that are into the New World Order, into the Truth Movement, they get away from what they can prove, and they get off so many times, quite frankly, into the absurd.

00:48:58.000 And that's why some people don't listen to us, because they've heard so many kooks out there, Who just extrapolate and basically with the most tenuous fragments of tertiary capillary evidence start extrapolating and making stuff up.

00:49:19.000 When we've got just so many real things we can prove and focus in on.

00:49:25.000 And really, for the people out there that are attacking the Schindlers now, I mean, give me a break.

00:49:32.000 You really need to spend your time on better issues.

00:49:36.000 There are so many real things that are unbelievable that are happening.

00:49:42.000 Like that Cynthia McKinney clip we played from the House Armed Services Committee last week.

00:49:46.000 In a Rumsfeld, government-run white slavery rings.

00:49:49.000 Trillions missing from the Pentagon.

00:49:52.000 9-11 war games.

00:49:53.000 I mean, this is real stuff.

00:49:55.000 Cancer viruses in the vaccines.

00:49:57.000 Real.

00:50:00.000 Genetic engineering of most of the crops.

00:50:02.000 The patenting of the food chain.

00:50:08.000 Just hundreds of real things that are happening.

00:50:12.000 The free trade area of the Americas.

00:50:14.000 National toll roads going in everywhere.

00:50:17.000 But so many people, when I tune into other radio shows, when I go to other, quote, patriot websites, They don't talk about that stuff.

00:50:25.000 It's just all, this Patriot's bad, this Patriot's good, I like this person, I don't like that person.

00:50:32.000 You know, why does Alex Jones do these radio interviews with mainstream talk show hosts?

00:50:38.000 He's evil.

00:50:40.000 No, I'm going into their territory. 0.95

00:50:44.000 I'm engaging in information warfare.

00:50:49.000 It's just mind-blowing.

00:50:52.000 So come on, let's get our heads screwed on straight, and let's stick with the facts.

00:50:56.000 We'll be right back.

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00:56:34.000 Jim in Kansas.

00:56:36.000 Jim, go ahead.

00:56:37.000 Yes, Alex.

00:56:40.000 On this, from a humanistic point of view, I agree with everything you say about this Schindler case.

00:56:46.000 But, when you knock the judge on his decision, you're dead wrong.

00:56:51.000 Because, some time ago, we were converted from people to a resource.

00:56:57.000 Well, just because under admiralty law they've all declared a slave chattel of the state under a mercantile enterprise, doesn't mean that this parallel legal system they've built is the legitimate legal system.

00:57:12.000 Well, that's what we ought to work on.

00:57:13.000 Get rid of that.

00:57:15.000 But until we do, and nobody griped, I didn't hear one talk show anywhere talk about being converted to a resource.

00:57:22.000 Well, it's true.

00:57:23.000 They call us, you know, your manager is called the Resource Manager, Human Resources.

00:57:28.000 Absolutely.

00:57:28.000 And under this whole bioethics system, they decide if you're a good resource.

00:57:32.000 Now, as a resource, they can do anything to you they want to.

00:57:35.000 A farmer that has a cow that's not productive, what do you do with it? 0.96

00:57:40.000 Well, again, courts have said black people aren't human beings.

00:57:44.000 We just don't follow that. 0.97

00:57:45.000 That's a fraud.

00:57:46.000 The courts can say none of us have rights and they decide if we're human.

00:57:50.000 That's what the bioethics boards do. 0.99

00:57:51.000 It's a fraud.

00:57:53.000 We've all got to have our living wills clearly stating our rights.

00:57:57.000 Thanks for the call. 0.97

00:57:58.000 But Governor Bush here in Texas, before he left office, made it to where the state, if they're paying for you, will kill you. 0.91

00:58:05.000 And the so-called Christians don't want to talk about that. 0.97

00:58:09.000 Uh, let's talk to, who's up next here?

00:58:13.000 Doug in Canada, go ahead.

00:58:14.000 Hi, Alex.

00:58:15.000 Hello.

00:58:16.000 Um, you know, it takes a big man to back his words up, but it takes a bigger man to admit he was wrong and carry on.

00:58:22.000 Um, yeah, McKinnon, I, or McKinney, I think if more people like, um, if we had more people like her with a backbone and places of power, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in today. 0.90

00:58:32.000 Have you seen that video clip?

00:58:34.000 Yes.

00:58:35.000 And I've heard it many, many times on the network here.

00:58:37.000 That's just powerful.

00:58:39.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:58:40.000 Stay there.

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00:58:46.000 Then in about 10 minutes, we've got a big guest coming on.

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00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:17.000 The essence of mind control is changing our values.

00:59:24.000 Changing and altering our world view to accept Having our private property taken without just compensation.

00:59:33.000 Having our Bill of Rights and Constitution dismantled.

00:59:35.000 Having torture promoted as a value.

00:59:40.000 Conditioning the public to accept giving up our sovereignty for world government.

00:59:45.000 We're going to be talking about that with the author of Torture and Truth, America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror, Mark Danner, who's also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:59:58.000 We'll also get more into Terry Shiloh Schindler, the earthquake yesterday, and the hundreds of dead.

01:00:04.000 It's all coming up.

01:00:06.000 Right now, going back to Doug in Canada.

01:00:10.000 Doug, you were bringing up that Cynthia McKinney clip we played first last week.

01:00:14.000 Now, others have aired it.

01:00:16.000 It's posted on InfoWars.com, still on the main page today.

01:00:21.000 And if you go to Infowars.com you can watch it right there where she brought up all these incredible issues to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and he was at a loss for words and looked quite shaken, did he not?

01:00:34.000 It was actually very satisfying to see that.

01:00:37.000 Just to watch them square them in their seats.

01:00:41.000 It was.

01:00:41.000 Satisfying is a good word.

01:00:44.000 One thing, or the major thing I called in about, your call earlier talked about the guy in British Columbia seeing all the military transport trucks.

01:00:52.000 That is going on here.

01:00:54.000 They have admitted they're doing war games with the American military and the Mexican military as per last week's discussion with President Bush.

01:01:03.000 Oh yeah, in fact it's been on the CBC, Canadians are upset about quote, giving up their sovereignty for the Union of American States through the free trade area of the Americas.

01:01:13.000 And so the Mexicans in Canadian newspapers are talking about it, but the average American has no idea this is even going on.

01:01:20.000 Exactly, and it's really, really scary.

01:01:22.000 Like in my city they're doing weather and chemical warfare here.

01:01:25.000 You can see it in the skies, and I have the proof, but you can't tell anybody that because they don't believe you.

01:01:31.000 Well, it's been in the Globe and Mail, it's been on the CBC that you've got this Northcom drills with Mexican and Canadian and U.S.

01:01:42.000 troops up there.

01:01:44.000 It was even in one of your big papers a few months ago about state police from Texas up in British Columbia running checkpoints.

01:01:54.000 It's really scary, and just one quick quote here that comes from our military.

01:01:58.000 One minute you can be having coffee with someone, and the next you're gonna need to pull a gun.

01:02:04.000 That pretty much sums it up there.

01:02:06.000 Well, I appreciate your call.

01:02:08.000 And again, terrorism is being used as the pretext to radically shift our entire society into a total police state.

01:02:15.000 They tell you as a citizen you've got to give up all your liberties and allow your life to be under a microscope, but the borders, northern and southern, are more open than they've ever been.

01:02:26.000 It's a fraud.

01:02:27.000 It's a joke.

01:02:29.000 And they engage in what they call acing, where people flying in from Middle Eastern countries don't even have to show their IDs coming off these international flights.

01:02:39.000 You try to fly to see your grandma in Indiana, you're lucky if you don't get strip-searched by some foreigner who can't even speak English. 1.00

01:02:47.000 I'm not kidding!

01:02:49.000 They had a report a few years ago at the Boston Logan Airport, 90% of the people working at the airport were not citizens.

01:02:58.000 Something like 20% were illegal aliens.

01:03:01.000 I mean, how do you get numbers like that?

01:03:03.000 And I've been at these airports.

01:03:05.000 Most of the time it's some foreigner, you know, who was just a few years ago shoving machine guns in people's backs, you know, in Bangladesh, and now they're doing it to you. 1.00

01:03:16.000 It's amazing.

01:03:17.000 Alright, we've got a great guest coming up.

01:03:20.000 Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror by Mark Danner.

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01:07:03.000 Torture and Truth! 0.84

01:07:06.000 America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror by Mark Danner.

01:07:11.000 And Mark, like many of our guests, has a gigantic bio, you can just Link through at Infowars.com to his website markdanner.com.

01:07:23.000 Danner is D-A-N-N-E-R.

01:07:26.000 And Mark Danner is a writer, journalist, and professor who has written for more than two decades on foreign affairs and international conflict.

01:07:34.000 He has covered Central America, Haiti, the Balkans, and Iraq, among other stories, and has written extensively about the development of American foreign policy during the late Cold War and afterward.

01:07:45.000 And about violations of human rights during that time, his book, Torture and Truth, is what we're about to be talking about.

01:07:52.000 And he is also a member of the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations, with its 25, roughly 100 members, most of the most prestigious members of academia, of banking and finance, government, entertainment, philosophy, you name it.

01:08:15.000 And I do take Foreign Affairs, the bi-monthly publication, that I consider to basically be the CFR's propaganda, but they do have a diverse group of members.

01:08:26.000 I've had probably 20 CFR members on, actually more than that, over the years, but it's great to have Mr. Danner on with us today.

01:08:38.000 Mr. Danner, thank you for coming on with us.

01:08:40.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:08:41.000 Thank you for inviting me.

01:08:43.000 You bet.

01:08:44.000 How did you get into writing this book, Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror?

01:08:51.000 Because I've read the synopsis of it online.

01:08:54.000 You basically, correct me if I'm wrong, point the finger and say, look, this stuff was ordered.

01:08:59.000 Well, we have the Army's own documents, that's admitted.

01:09:01.000 But still, the general public isn't aware of that.

01:09:04.000 And then my other question is, are you popular at the CFR, having these views?

01:09:09.000 Because it seems the CFR right now is dominated by the neocons.

01:09:14.000 Well, the first question, how I got involved in writing about it, I had been writing about Iraq and the Iraq War, and this was part of that.

01:09:23.000 In fact, the images that were broadcast about a year ago now were enormously important in the war itself.

01:09:32.000 They gave a very strong boost to the insurgency.

01:09:37.000 Extremely useful to them in propaganda and so on and in recruiting members of the insurgency.

01:09:43.000 So though we look at this as a domestic kind of scandal, it had a lot to do with the Iraq War and giving help to the insurgency in fighting the Americans.

01:09:54.000 So that's the original, originally how I began writing about it.

01:09:59.000 It soon became evident though that a lot of the documents that were being either released by the government

01:10:07.000 or leaked by the government that were extremely important it seemed to me for a public understanding of what exactly happened uh... this is one of those cases where if you actually look at the documents if you look at the reports you look at the the depositions of those who were abused and tortured uh... you look at what the government itself has found to have happened at Abu Ghraib and also at other prisons uh... it isn't terribly controversial what went on there

01:10:36.000 What is controversy is the difference between what the government says happened and what was actually found out in these reports.

01:10:46.000 So I felt very strongly that one had to try to bridge that gap.

01:10:52.000 And so the book, Torture and Truth, includes not only my writing about what happened and the Iraq War itself, but the documents from the government that tell what happened.

01:11:01.000 But let me stop you right there.

01:11:03.000 By controversial, you mean, what happened there isn't being debated.

01:11:07.000 Well, it's an interesting... Or do you mean it's not that big of a deal?

01:11:11.000 Please clarify.

01:11:12.000 No, no.

01:11:12.000 I certainly think it is a very big deal.

01:11:15.000 When I say controversial and not controversial, I mean that the actual thing... It's very transparent.

01:11:21.000 It is transparent if you actually look at the investigations into what happened.

01:11:27.000 But you'll never know what really happened if you watch the nightly news, because... That's right.

01:11:31.000 That's right.

01:11:32.000 Because the government responded to what happened by simply saying, you know, this was a few bad apples, which is the traditional A response of governments who are accused of torture.

01:11:45.000 The United Kingdom said that in the early seventies when there was a famous case in Northern Ireland and it's happened a number of times and the few bad apples defense is actually the way lawyers describe it.

01:11:57.000 I like the analogy of cockroaches.

01:12:01.000 We've already seen ten big fat cockroaches on the kitchen floor. 0.99

01:12:04.000 There's probably a thousand in the walls.

01:12:07.000 Well, that's a homely metaphor that's very effective, I think.

01:12:12.000 I mean, they claim, oh, it's just a few bad apples.

01:12:14.000 No, this is just where they got caught.

01:12:16.000 Yeah, I'm afraid that is the case.

01:12:19.000 And, you know, increasingly this stuff has come out.

01:12:22.000 We've essentially had revelations at the rate of a few a week.

01:12:27.000 So the problem is, though, is the administration essentially counts on people not actually looking at the record.

01:12:34.000 Psychological fatigue as well.

01:12:36.000 You just get tired of hearing about it.

01:12:38.000 I think that's very true.

01:12:39.000 I think that's very true.

01:12:40.000 It's a subject that people don't like to think about.

01:12:43.000 It's shameful.

01:12:44.000 It's unpleasant.

01:12:45.000 And I think the administration believes that, you know, most people in the country would just as soon believe what the president says rather than look at things that might contradict what he says.

01:12:55.000 Well, I want to get into your book that's got a lot of reviews for being very scholarly on the subject.

01:12:59.000 I myself even made a film about it, so I'm up to speed and have basically all the declassified documents and official Army reports on it, as well as a Red Cross report.

01:13:09.000 But I want to shift gears back to the CFR, which I would say is dominated by the neocons at this point.

01:13:15.000 Are you popular there in the halls of the CFR?

01:13:18.000 Well, so far as I know, I'm popular there.

01:13:21.000 As you and I discussed before, it's a very large organization.

01:13:27.000 It's ideologically pretty diverse, so it's hard to say what particular strain it's dominated by.

01:13:38.000 It's a membership organization.

01:13:42.000 You essentially go to see people speak and see panel discussions and all the rest of it.

01:13:49.000 I find it very useful.

01:13:50.000 I've been a member there for nearly 20 years now, I think.

01:13:54.000 But isn't it really just a giant change agent group where they get the best minds involved and then kind of start co-opting people and seeing who will play ball?

01:14:03.000 And by the dominant group being neocons, I mean that particular strain and strata of the CFR is in government right now.

01:14:12.000 Well, you know, I think it's kind of a complicated issue.

01:14:16.000 You know, the council has traditionally been this kind of holding place where people who aren't in government at a given time are in the council, and when the government changes hands, you get a lot of people who are at the council moving into the government.

01:14:31.000 This has traditionally happened for many, many years.

01:14:34.000 It's also true, though, depending on the ideology of the people who are in power, the council likes to be close to power.

01:14:42.000 So if you have a government that's predominantly, as you say, neocon, the council will want to have high officials who share that ideology and who have access to power.

01:14:53.000 And that has always happened.

01:14:54.000 I don't think that's a particular ideological strain.

01:15:01.000 Well, what was the founding principles?

01:15:02.000 And then we'll move on in the early 1920s.

01:15:04.000 Yeah, it was founded essentially right in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of World War.

01:15:11.000 One, it originally was this kind of think tank that was put together to help President Woodrow Wilson.

01:15:17.000 League of Nations.

01:15:18.000 In his preparation, well not just for the League, but generally his preparations for the Paris Conference and the Versailles Treaty.

01:15:26.000 So it was kind of a think tank that was then made permanent in New York.

01:15:30.000 Isn't it really the mirror of the Royal Institute of International Affairs?

01:15:34.000 Yeah, there are certainly similarities.

01:15:36.000 No question about it.

01:15:38.000 No question about it.

01:15:39.000 Well, I don't want to spend all day on that.

01:15:41.000 The listeners are very interested in the CFR because, you know, they have people in there who kind of dissent from the predominant paradigm, but generally it's world government's good, world government's the answer, we've got to sacrifice our national sovereignty.

01:15:56.000 Whether it's Republicans or Democrats, Strobe Talbot or George Bush Sr., we hear the same diatribe.

01:16:02.000 Are you a supporter of world government?

01:16:05.000 Well, you know, I can't help pointing out that the point you just made contradicts pretty dramatically the earlier point about neocons.

01:16:12.000 It seems to me either it's neocon-sympathetic, as you argued a few minutes ago... Which is against the world government?

01:16:19.000 Well, as far as I can tell, the people in power, from Rumsfeld to Paul Wolfowitz and others...

01:16:25.000 Certainly do not believe in world government.

01:16:27.000 They don't believe in bolstering multilateral institutions.

01:16:31.000 They've taken points of view, notably with the Iraq war that has been flown in the face of UN decisions and UN feelings.

01:16:40.000 But Mr. Gannard, Professor, you know full well that that's all good cop, bad cop.

01:16:47.000 I mean, you know Bush has actually been expanding the U.N.

01:16:50.000 funding and signing on to treaties and going ahead with the free trade area of the Americas.

01:16:56.000 Well, it's true that they certainly have different positions on trade, no question about it, but I think that their attitude toward the United Nations, with all due respect, is not good cop, bad cop.

01:17:08.000 I mean, the decision that was made on Iraq was the strongest and most dramatic break with the United Nations and UN opinions that I can remember.

01:17:17.000 And I don't think there was anything fake about it.

01:17:20.000 I think the attitudes and the hurt feelings and the problems in relations, particularly with the European allies, are very real.

01:17:28.000 And this was a real thing.

01:17:31.000 And the fact that they have different views when it comes to trade policy doesn't contradict that central point.

01:17:37.000 I mean, these issues are Well, let me ask this.

01:17:40.000 You know, there are a lot of different areas of this.

01:17:42.000 Let me ask this.

01:17:43.000 Don't most members of the CFR believe in global government, global governance?

01:17:47.000 No.

01:17:48.000 No, I don't think they do.

01:17:50.000 I would say, I mean, it depends what you mean by that, but I think, you know, you have a lot of people who are fairly mistrustful of the United Nations, and some who believe it should be strengthened.

01:18:03.000 So I think opinion in the Council is pretty divided.

01:18:07.000 You know, you're talking about a lot of people with fairly diverse political views.

01:18:13.000 Fair enough.

01:18:14.000 When we get back, I want to get back into torture and I want to specifically talk about the government documents and who gave the orders for this and just how much of this torture is really going on in light of the Red Sox jet being used to fly people around, you know, the private torture jets in England, the third-party countries, The Army's own report that 90% of those at the camps are totally innocent.

01:18:36.000 I want to discuss this with you and also how television is promoting torture as the new virtue and people on the left like Alan Dershowitz.

01:18:45.000 I appreciate you joining us.

01:18:46.000 Stay with us, Mr. Danner.

01:18:48.000 We'll be right back, folks.

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01:23:05.000 Coming up in the next segment, it's your chance to talk to Mr. Danner.

01:23:10.000 About his book, Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror, 1-800-259-9231.

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01:23:22.000 Don, Mike, and others will be getting your calls.

01:23:25.000 Continuing, Professor Danner, you talk about documents, and we've got the General's Report, we've got the other reports, 32 camps in Iraq, Camps where they take people in Egypt and in Jordan and in some of the Central Asian countries.

01:23:46.000 Camp X-Ray, a CIA camp within a camp.

01:23:51.000 Admittedly doing things to people we can't even mention on air.

01:23:55.000 They're so horrible.

01:23:57.000 I would imagine your book gets into that.

01:24:00.000 Yes, it certainly does.

01:24:02.000 It begins with the actual depositions from prisoners that were taken by the Army CID, Criminal Investigation Division, in Iraq.

01:24:12.000 And I have the text of those depositions included in the book.

01:24:17.000 It also includes the investigations that you spoke about.

01:24:21.000 And all of these things together have a great number of accounts taken from, usually in judicial type settings, so under oath.

01:24:30.000 Taken from prisoners who were treated this way by American troops.

01:24:37.000 There's also the troops pleading guilty.

01:24:41.000 That's right.

01:24:42.000 You have a number of guilty pleas.

01:24:45.000 There's the photographic evidence.

01:24:47.000 But, you know, the important thing to say here, I think, is that these photographs came out and suggested that this stuff was animal housed on the night shift, which the former Secretary of Defense Schlesinger called it.

01:24:59.000 That is, that it was sort of the late-night doings of a handful of statists.

01:25:03.000 If you look at the reports themselves, you see that a lot of this stuff happened as a result and during interrogation, and the depositions confirmed that.

01:25:14.000 That is, interrogators were present.

01:25:16.000 It was part of an effort to try to get information from these people.

01:25:21.000 Well, Rush Limbaugh said that it was like a fraternity prank just blowing off steam. 0.97

01:25:26.000 I think people with objects putting acid on them, raping women, beating people to death. 0.96

01:25:34.000 I mean, that's called murder and torture.

01:25:38.000 And your book, according to the synopsis, according to the stuff I've researched, this leads right back to the White House.

01:25:44.000 I remember Rumsfeld bragging on TV about how they were, quote, pressuring people severely.

01:25:51.000 I remember Dershowitz calling for torture right after 9-11.

01:25:56.000 Right.

01:25:56.000 You know, you can see, and certainly the book shows this, that after 9-11 there was a pretty dramatic change right at the top of the government about the attitude toward interrogation.

01:26:08.000 Decisions were made by the President, by other high officials, first of all to withhold the protections of the Geneva Convention, and that debate was very vivid in the administration, but they finally decided For the first time in American history, not to grant Geneva Convention protection.

01:26:24.000 And then to essentially redefine what torture is.

01:26:27.000 The U.S., as you know, is committed not to torture.

01:26:31.000 It's prohibited by our domestic law.

01:26:32.000 It's prohibited by international treaties to which we're signatory.

01:26:36.000 But there was a debate in the administration that finally resulted in a document that the Department of Justice wrote, which essentially said, you know, we may be prohibited from torturing.

01:26:46.000 But what exactly is torture?

01:26:49.000 Alberto Gonzales says if we torture somebody up until their organs fail and didn't mean to kill them, then it's not torture.

01:26:56.000 And by the way, the President is the law.

01:26:58.000 He's above the law.

01:27:00.000 That's exactly right.

01:27:01.000 He basically said, look, for something to be tortured to have to cause pain equivalent to major organ failure or death, Which means that you can do an awful lot to people, like waterboarding for example, which is submerging them underwater until they drown and then reviving them, which has been used by the CIA and apparently was explicitly approved by the Department of Justice for the CIA to use.

01:27:26.000 And also, Mr. Dershowitz's example, which is inserting sterile needles under their fingernails, all of these things under the definition that the administration put together would not constitute torture.

01:27:38.000 So, you know, you have a situation in which the President can say, well, no, no, we do not condone torture.

01:27:44.000 But when he uses that word, the administration has defined it in a way that most people would not accept.

01:27:51.000 Well, exactly.

01:27:51.000 It's a verbal stratagem.

01:27:54.000 And, you know, most people, if you describe waterboarding, which is, you know, you strip somebody down, you beat them up, you strap them to a board, and then you lower their head, usually upside down, into a tub of usually fetid, you know, dirty water, sometimes urine, something like that.

01:28:10.000 essentially until they drown, then you revive them, then you do it again.

01:28:14.000 Now, to most people, they would look at that and say that's torture.

01:28:17.000 Certainly, people in Argentina and Uruguay, where that was used extensively during the Dirty War, they called it the submarine, they would consider it torture.

01:28:26.000 But under this definition, supposedly, you know, the administration can say, well, we don't torture and include the fact that they do...

01:28:33.000 Yeah, it's like Terry Scheibach.

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01:32:08.000 Just to analyze what these creatures are doing, how they're trying to warp our psyche, through fiction and through the mainstream media to accept torture, we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.

01:32:19.000 And I found another clip that's even worse, saying, so what about torture?

01:32:25.000 I still need to get that uploaded to the network computer, but we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.

01:32:29.000 It's about 40 seconds long.

01:32:31.000 Here in a second, we'll go back to our guest, the author of Torture and Truth, America Abu Ghraib and the War on Terror.

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01:33:03.000 Doing things to people I can't mention here.

01:33:05.000 Large objects, acid.

01:33:09.000 We'll just leave it at that.

01:33:11.000 And this is what they admit.

01:33:13.000 And Congress got thousands of photos and videos that the public never saw.

01:33:17.000 CBS and kind of a psyops just released some of the lighter stuff and then, oh, dogs biting people and then sewing them up without deadening, that's just fine.

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01:34:58.000 Before I play this Limbaugh clip, Professor Danner, tell us how we get your new book, Torture and Truth.

01:35:08.000 Well, the book can be gotten through my website, markdanner.com.

01:35:14.000 It can be ordered from Amazon and Barnes & Noble and other online suppliers, but of course what I would prefer is that people go to their local bookstore where the book should be in stock, and if it's not in stock, to ask for it.

01:35:28.000 It's from New York Review Books, and it should be widely available.

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01:35:39.000 Okay, now I want to go to calls here, but first I want to talk about the hardening of the psyche and how they're selling us On this evil, every cop show, every major drama, and then in the real world, all the big editorials, it's the same M.O., the same talking points.

01:35:55.000 We now have mainstream news reports that Homeland Security's even paying off an advising threat matrix 24.

01:36:02.000 These shows where they now torture people's children almost every episode to make them talk.

01:36:08.000 Now torturing children is good, so I guess Joseph Mingala wasn't bad, but here's Rush Limbaugh as the change agent Telling his audience that it's just blowing off steam, the torture is no big deal.

01:36:21.000 Here is that clip.

01:36:23.000 What's psychologically wrong with that?

01:36:25.000 It's not the act so much, it was like a college fraternity prank to stack up naked men and... Exactly!

01:36:33.000 Exactly my point!

01:36:35.000 This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're gonna ruin people's lives over it, and we're gonna hamper our military effort, and then we're gonna really hammer them because they had a good time.

01:36:47.000 You know, These people are being fired at every day.

01:36:51.000 I'm talking about the people having a good time.

01:36:52.000 These people... You ever heard of emotional release?

01:36:56.000 You ever heard of you to blow some steam off?

01:37:00.000 So there's the clip, and others have called for outright torturing them.

01:37:04.000 I've heard it on talk radio saying it's good, but Alan Dershowitz is off calling it a great American value.

01:37:12.000 Truly, we see the attempt to mass-warp the psyche And then people accept that torture isn't torture, and then we hear reports of a guy's chained down in a hospital bed, he won't give a urine sample on demand, so they taser him, and the police just go, this is our new policy, it isn't torture, it's just pressure.

01:37:33.000 Professor?

01:37:34.000 Well, I'm very glad you played the quote from Russ Limbaugh. 0.86

01:37:39.000 I think basically what it shows is ignorance, first of all.

01:37:43.000 I mean, what he describes as fraternity hazing, that's just not the case.

01:37:48.000 This stuff went on for days and days.

01:37:50.000 It was highly organized.

01:37:52.000 It began with beatings, extensive beatings.

01:37:54.000 People were beaten into unconsciousness in a fairly systematic way.

01:38:00.000 People were injured in such a way they had to go to the hospital.

01:38:04.000 They were bitten very severely on their legs by dogs.

01:38:08.000 One man's ear was nearly torn off.

01:38:10.000 Now, people were also, people were beaten to death, then they'd pack ice on them, put a fake IV on them, and take them out the front door.

01:38:19.000 That's right.

01:38:20.000 At this point, the Army has officially admitted, the American military, I should say, has officially admitted that 27 detainees have died under interrogation, and these are the detainees that those are considered homicides.

01:38:35.000 The total number of deaths in detainment situations now is over 70.

01:38:40.000 Now let's be clear, that's what they admit.

01:38:43.000 There's 32 camps in Iraq, a dozen in Afghanistan, two camps at Guantanamo Bay, and camps in at least five other third-party countries.

01:38:52.000 Did you see the Washington Post article in late 2001 where they have the CIA section chief over the Middle East as quoted as saying, we take them to Egypt, And Jordan, where we can torture them and pressure their families in front of them?

01:39:07.000 Uh, yeah, I did see that.

01:39:08.000 I think that was 2002, but yes, I did see it.

01:39:10.000 Okay, early 2002.

01:39:10.000 I've got it in the film, but...

01:39:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:13.000 Well, you know, a lot of this stuff is on the record, you know, which is one of the points of my book, Torture and Treatment.

01:39:19.000 But it's not torture if we don't kill them on purpose.

01:39:22.000 Yes, that's right, if they're killed accidentally. 0.96

01:39:26.000 So if I go up and beat somebody with a baseball bat and didn't mean to kill them, I can just say I was blowing off steam with the cops?

01:39:32.000 Well, under their definition of torture, if your main point is not to cause extensive pain, then in fact it's not torture.

01:39:42.000 That's under their definition.

01:39:43.000 But I think the important thing to underline about what Mr. Limbaugh said is that it's simply not true.

01:39:48.000 It's factually wrong.

01:39:49.000 It's not a question of how he's interpreting things.

01:39:52.000 He's got it wrong what actually happened.

01:39:55.000 And we know what actually happened.

01:39:57.000 The documents have come out.

01:39:58.000 You can read them.

01:39:59.000 They're there in black and white.

01:40:01.000 And, you know, he relies on the fact that nobody is going to read anything that they're just going to listen to him.

01:40:06.000 And so he can say this and basically say things that are absolutely contrary.

01:40:11.000 Well, yeah, I've heard him say that Bush is not for amnesty when Bush has openly said he's for open borders and amnesty.

01:40:17.000 Yeah, well, he does and there is a certain technique here which is simply to tell people A story that seems to fit together itself and to count on the fact that they're not going to check it and you essentially tell them what they want to hear.

01:40:28.000 Well, I'm blown away by these people because, Professor, all I do is read government documents and what is admitted.

01:40:32.000 And I'm telling you, the liberals, the conservatives, they're all up there together basically for all this stuff and they're all a bunch of liars.

01:40:40.000 Well, I think it's true that, you know, there is a lot of lying going on on these things, there's no question.

01:40:46.000 I think it's also true that a lot of this stuff is coming out, that the documentary evidence is coming out, and that increasingly, you know, the truth is getting into the public sphere.

01:40:57.000 So I wouldn't lose hope on this.

01:40:59.000 It's just that, you know, it's taking a long time to get out and to change people's opinion.

01:41:04.000 But I think it will happen.

01:41:05.000 I think we're heading in that direction.

01:41:08.000 Clearly, Professor, there is an agenda.

01:41:11.000 Homeland Security head Reg and now Chertoff have met with the media.

01:41:16.000 They're consulting and we've got all these paid-for press releases.

01:41:21.000 We know that they are literally writing some of the scripts.

01:41:24.000 We've read these articles on air for these TV shows.

01:41:27.000 Every time I turn it on, they're now not just torturing the, quote, terrorists on these fiction shows, they're torturing seven, eight-year-old children.

01:41:36.000 And this is a concerted effort to warp our minds.

01:41:40.000 Yes, well, I think that's true.

01:41:43.000 I don't know, but I'll take your word for it, the degree of administration involvement and consulting on these scripts.

01:41:50.000 It's also true, you know, that when people feel anxiety about their safety, when people are bewildered about why the country's been attacked and so on, you get the mass media, and in particular the commercial media, television, Responding by trying to satisfy those kinds of anxieties.

01:42:08.000 And I think you see that when you see some of these commercial programs that show torture.

01:42:13.000 That is, you know, in the way of Dirty Harry, the Clint Eastwood movie, trying to take a public that's worried about crime, that's worried about being attacked, and showing them justice being delivered.

01:42:26.000 And I think there's a lot of that going on.

01:42:27.000 But what people don't understand is, Is that cops now, since they've been doing this the last three years, suddenly instances of torture by the police against innocent people is way up.

01:42:40.000 There aren't real Al-C-I-A-T-I-S folks running around that are going to get us. 1.00

01:42:45.000 Terrorism is actually at lows, child kidnappings at lows, crime is at lows right now, all time lows.

01:42:53.000 It is this perception and torture isn't going to keep you safe.

01:42:58.000 Listen, I want to go to calls, but I've just got One other comment, and then I want you to comment on it, Professor.

01:43:03.000 We're talking to Mark Danner, author of this new book, Torture and Truth.

01:43:08.000 Look, the types of sexual perversion at Abu Ghraib and Camp X-Ray, admittedly associated with this, the types of things they're doing, I've only seen this with serial killers.

01:43:21.000 So even if sickos out there go, we gotta torture them to get answers, why is it all sexually perverted?

01:43:27.000 Well, I think that there's a perception that one of the areas of sensitivity when it comes to Middle Eastern, particularly Arab culture, is a shame about sexual matters, and in particular, a shame about nudity. 0.92

01:43:40.000 And you can see, pervasively, if you look at what's happened to individual people, not only in Abu Ghraib, but there are instances where Arab journalists have been harassed. 0.89

01:43:50.000 Yeah, but these guards are raping women in front of the men because they like it. 1.00

01:43:55.000 Well, I don't dispute that some of them may like it. 0.98

01:43:58.000 It's a tough job, but I've got to do it.

01:44:00.000 I'm trying to answer your question, which is that it seems to me that a lot of this stuff is systemic, and it's trying to point to particular sensitivities, cultural sensitivities, on the part of Arab men.

01:44:11.000 The fact that they It's very unusual and indeed forbidden for men to see one another naked in Arab culture.

01:44:19.000 Things having to do with bathroom stuff and so on is done very secretly.

01:44:24.000 It's very private.

01:44:27.000 And you can tell in the way these torture procedures operate that there's been a clear study of the sensitivities of Arab culture.

01:44:36.000 No, I agree with you, but then the feds also go and they hire former prison guards with bad records who enjoy doing this.

01:44:45.000 Yes, there's no question that some of these people clearly were enjoying themselves.

01:44:50.000 You can see it. 0.99

01:44:51.000 In beating people to death and raping people. 1.00

01:44:54.000 Folks, come on. 1.00

01:44:55.000 Let's take some calls.

01:44:57.000 Don in Missouri.

01:44:59.000 Thanks for holding.

01:44:59.000 Don, you're on the air.

01:45:00.000 Yeah, I think it's all one cloth.

01:45:03.000 Listen, I wanted to To touch upon the Schiavo case again, you know, I haven't been able to listen the last week or so, so I don't know if you've explored this already, but this behavior of Michael Schiavo is just so bizarre, and all these powerful people covering up for him.

01:45:18.000 The only explanation I can come up for it is that since Florida's crawling with CIA agents, that maybe he's an agent, and Terry was his slave.

01:45:27.000 And that now the government is caught in this public relations nightmare, and they're scrambling to try to They were willing to kill her in public just to cover this up. 0.99

01:45:36.000 Well, I mean, I can see people trying to give reason to this thing, but it's turned into a media circus.

01:45:42.000 You've got the pro-death people, the anti-death people lined up over all this.

01:45:46.000 Thanks for the call, Don.

01:45:47.000 But, Professor, I mean, we do see the hardening of the psyche in the society.

01:45:52.000 It was Governor Bush who passed a law where if somebody's on government health care, they go ahead and take their feeding tube out.

01:46:00.000 But it's funny, none of these so-called conservative groups want to talk about that.

01:46:03.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:46:05.000 People, certainly it's been in the press, that law that then-Governor Bush passed.

01:46:12.000 I just killed a little baby two days ago, by the way, but go ahead.

01:46:14.000 Yes, yes, I saw that in the news.

01:46:18.000 And there's clearly a very high degree of contradiction here between what people say and the political positions they take, particularly in the Schiavo case and what they've actually done.

01:46:28.000 In their political history and in their own lives, for that matter, when it comes to Tom DeLay, for example.

01:46:33.000 So, we see those contradictions very dramatically, and it shows, in this case, a lot of politicians are looking at it simply as a lucrative political target.

01:46:41.000 You know, this is going to help me firm up my position with the evangelical right.

01:46:47.000 And the left likes it, too.

01:46:49.000 Mike in Washington, you're on the air.

01:46:50.000 Go ahead.

01:46:51.000 Yeah, speaking of contradictions, you know, I saw that clip of that slimeball Jack Wheeler from the Freedom Foundation saying how we should It just frees everyone's lungs.

01:47:07.000 And then when they're about ready to die, then we'll make them breathe again.

01:47:11.000 You know, that's basically high-tech tabling.

01:47:16.000 I've actually got that clip in Police State's Free Total Enslavement where they're on national TV saying how good torture is.

01:47:22.000 Exactly.

01:47:23.000 And it's just trying to... it's just justifying everything.

01:47:28.000 But another reason I want to talk to you, Alex, is that I'm sure you're familiar with The 1997 act where Queen Elizabeth enhanced the social security?

01:47:48.000 I'm not reading you.

01:47:49.000 I'm not understanding.

01:47:50.000 Well, there was a... It was a... Oh, what's it called?

01:47:57.000 I really don't know, sir.

01:47:58.000 I... Queen Elizabeth, Social Security.

01:48:00.000 Yeah, well, in 1997 they did a... there was a... in England, Queen Elizabeth controls and amended the U.S.

01:48:12.000 Social Security.

01:48:14.000 Under 1997 number 1778.

01:48:17.000 I wasn't aware of that.

01:48:18.000 You'll have to send me some information on that.

01:48:21.000 Oh yeah, Queen Elizabeth amended our social security back in 1997.

01:48:25.000 Well, you'll have to send me some information on that, Mike.

01:48:29.000 It's all over the web.

01:48:31.000 Really?

01:48:31.000 Yeah, and it pretty much just points it out that we're basically Run by England.

01:48:38.000 I hear you.

01:48:39.000 Thanks for the call.

01:48:40.000 Let's talk to Eric in Oklahoma.

01:48:42.000 Eric, you're on the air.

01:48:43.000 Hey, Alex.

01:48:43.000 Go ahead.

01:48:44.000 How are you doing?

01:48:45.000 Good.

01:48:45.000 Good to talk to you.

01:48:46.000 What's on your mind?

01:48:46.000 I have Mark Ganner.

01:48:47.000 I listen to Mark a lot.

01:48:49.000 He's one of the few intellectually honest people that I've heard on the media.

01:48:55.000 Mark, I look at everything through the eyes of dialectical materialism.

01:48:59.000 Everything is the dialectic these days.

01:49:01.000 There's the pro, the con, the right, the left.

01:49:04.000 Yeah.

01:49:05.000 Lately, it seems like instead of just left and right, it's like a pinwheel.

01:49:11.000 People take a position and then it's being spun.

01:49:14.000 So, it's no longer about the right or left.

01:49:17.000 It's really about right and wrong.

01:49:19.000 And they're trying to blur the distinction between right and wrong.

01:49:23.000 Well, that's what change agents do.

01:49:24.000 That's what MKUltra was about, was how to change the views of Americans.

01:49:29.000 That's right, and that's why we're in trouble.

01:49:30.000 Stay there, Eric.

01:49:31.000 We'll come back and let the professor Comment on your statement and let you finish up as well.

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01:53:05.000 It's a conspiracy theory and urban legend.

01:53:09.000 And now they say they never called for torture. 0.93

01:53:11.000 It isn't torture if we beat and brutalize and drown somebody until they die if we didn't mean to kill them.

01:53:18.000 I mean, I guess serial killers should try that when they get called a bunch of dead bodies. 0.83

01:53:22.000 Well, I didn't mean to kill them.

01:53:24.000 Oh, well, then go free then. 0.99

01:53:25.000 Well, these are terrorists.

01:53:27.000 They don't have the same rights.

01:53:28.000 Come on, folks.

01:53:29.000 They're not even terrorists.

01:53:30.000 This is all by design.

01:53:33.000 Professor, comments to what Eric in Oklahoma was just saying about just both political parties in this whole system?

01:53:45.000 Well, first of all, I was grateful to Eric for his kind comments about my work.

01:53:50.000 I appreciate that.

01:53:53.000 You know, his comments were, I thought, very provocative, but also very broad.

01:53:58.000 I think he's right that You know, the things that we had taken for granted for many years about the left and the right have gotten twisted and very confusing.

01:54:08.000 On the one hand, the political spectrum has moved far to the right when you look at what's going on in Washington, and we're seeing things that would have been really unheard of years ago.

01:54:18.000 I mean, one of the reasons I wrote this book, Torture and Truth, was because I We're seeing Americans undertake acts of torture that I used to cover in Latin America twenty years ago, twenty-five years ago.

01:54:32.000 You say move to the right.

01:54:35.000 I mean, record budgets, 2.6 trillion, open borders.

01:54:39.000 Very good point, which I was going to get to, which is that at the same time as you have a defiantly right-wing agenda, You also have, particularly on the financial fiscal side, the spending side, the fact that the government came into office, supposedly a very conservative administration, with a budget surplus of over $200 billion and has changed that into a budget deficit of nearly $500 billion.

01:55:08.000 It's been the largest shift in the fiscal status of the government in the history of the United States.

01:55:14.000 And by the way, most of that extra expenditure is not even military. 0.96

01:55:18.000 It's all the classic big government control, social welfare garbage. 0.97

01:55:24.000 Let's take another call. 0.99

01:55:26.000 Let's talk to Barney in Maryland.

01:55:27.000 Barney, you're on the air with our CFR member.

01:55:29.000 Go ahead.

01:55:32.000 Go ahead, Barney.

01:55:34.000 Barney, come to your telephone.

01:55:35.000 You with me?

01:55:36.000 Yes, sir.

01:55:38.000 This might seem radical, but once you've been to war, it fits. 0.97

01:55:43.000 I believe that in Iraq, same as the wars in Korea and Vietnam, the purpose is to take us down to a fourth world country. 0.99

01:55:54.000 That there is a planned economic crisis.

01:55:58.000 That millions of American people will be killed?

01:56:01.000 No, you're right.

01:56:02.000 The globalists use America as the imperial model to grab and consolidate more countries under IMF or World Bank control than Europe comes in, like the good cop.

01:56:11.000 But the professor, I think, disagrees with that.

01:56:14.000 Well, I believe that in the end, the patriots and the fascists and the captive nations around the world and the United States are going to win by eliminating all of one world. 0.53

01:56:26.000 Professor, final comments?

01:56:29.000 Well, I'm not... I don't know about reducing America to fourth world status.

01:56:37.000 I think, as a master plan, I don't think what the Bush administration has done seems to fit in, at least in my view, with that.

01:56:48.000 Oh, they're driving down the dollar?

01:56:50.000 They're de-industrializing us?

01:56:53.000 All of this looks like looting, Professor.

01:56:56.000 Well, they are driving down the dollar, that's quite true, which is one of the ways, of course, to deal with the enormous debt that they've got.

01:57:04.000 Hidden inflation, yeah.

01:57:05.000 The Reagan administration did it as well, but I think that's a far cry from talking about, you know, a fourth world country.

01:57:13.000 There's a major shift of income, you know, odd years, up the income scale, in which, you know, when you talk about this deficit, a lot of it has to do with the tax cuts.

01:57:24.000 Not all of it, but a lot of it.

01:57:26.000 All right.

01:57:26.000 Professor, I want to get you back on sometime.

01:57:29.000 I appreciate you joining us.

01:57:31.000 My pleasure.

01:57:32.000 Take care.

01:57:34.000 All right.

01:57:35.000 Tons of your calls, masses of vital news, everything jammed in for the next 60 minutes.

01:57:40.000 Stay with us.

01:57:41.000 Big Brother.

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01:58:01.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:07.000 Well, we can certainly see the global government agenda.

01:58:12.000 Eugenics being promoted in America. 0.98

01:58:17.000 The transponder tracked toll roads now going in all over the country.

01:58:25.000 The free trade area of the Americas and the Union of American States forming.

01:58:30.000 It's all over the Canadian and Mexican papers that people don't want to give up their sovereignty.

01:58:35.000 But the average American has no idea that these treaties are even being put into effect right now.

01:58:42.000 The globalists want to invade Iran and Syria.

01:58:46.000 They're setting up world taxation, world regulation, and the world knows about it, but the average American doesn't, though they're starting to wake up.

01:58:54.000 And somebody for over two decades that's been on the front lines of exposing the global controllers is Jim Tucker at AmericanFreePress.net, formerly The Spotlight.

01:59:08.000 And he has snuck through drainage Ditches, he's climbed over fences, he's posed as hotel workers all over Europe and the U.S.

01:59:18.000 to sneak into these events and he always gets us this incredible forecasting of what's going to happen in the next year according to what his spies and others get him inside the Bilderberg Group meetings. 0.62

01:59:32.000 Now, up until about four years ago, you talk about Bilderberg Group, the mainstream news would say it doesn't exist, you're insane.

01:59:41.000 Now it's been all over the news, BBC, you name it, Reuters, admitting that the world's royalty and elites do meet in secret, the military does guard them, but still, you're a conspiracy theorist of your concern.

01:59:55.000 And joining us for the next hour, and we'll be taking your calls, is Jim Tucker.

01:59:59.000 Jim, thanks for coming on during your busy schedule.

02:00:02.000 Oh, it's always a pleasure.

02:00:04.000 We're going to break here in a few minutes, but just in a nutshell for those who just joined us, what is the Bilderberg Group?

02:00:09.000 Well, Bilderberg Group has met under that name since 1954.

02:00:14.000 Already 51 years.

02:00:16.000 They took their name very much as Shakespeare named As You Like It.

02:00:20.000 They happened to be meeting secretly at the Bilderberg Hotel in Usterbeck.

02:00:27.000 And so they said we have to start meeting regularly now.

02:00:30.000 They call themselves Bilderberg Group.

02:00:32.000 There have been meetings like that going on for decades and decades.

02:00:36.000 Most notably about 1913 or something when They met off Jekyll Island and decided to introduce the income tax amendment to the Constitution, which they did.

02:00:48.000 The same subtle way the working man would not pay anything, because you paid nothing until you made $4,000 a year.

02:00:55.000 That was more than the average working man made.

02:00:58.000 So they sold it on make the rich pay something.

02:01:00.000 I'm still proud of the very late great Senator Harry Byrd of my state of Virginia.

02:01:06.000 He was a governor.

02:01:07.000 He was in the House and the State Senate at the time that passed.

02:01:11.000 And he made a notable speech saying, he talked about tax adjustments now.

02:01:17.000 In future generations, they'll tax the working man.

02:01:20.000 He talked about 1% tax now.

02:01:23.000 We may even see a 5% tax.

02:01:25.000 The old attitude is that Virginia never did ratify the Income Tax Amendment.

02:01:30.000 He warned then that Internal Revenue Agents would be in the kitchens of American families.

02:01:35.000 So, they are the lineal descendants of these groups who met infrequently during those years.

02:01:43.000 And they plan, as you have mentioned, they plan the world, the future of the world, the world government, the direct tax by the UN has been a very important part of their agenda for several years now.

02:01:56.000 And three such proposals are pending even as we speak before the United Nations.

02:02:01.000 Their favorite one being a tax on oil at the wellhead, which means When you buy gasoline for your car, you're paying directly to the UN a tax.

02:02:12.000 Or when you buy oil or fuel for any purpose, to heat your home or whatever, you are paying a direct tax to the United Nations.

02:02:18.000 It's a tax.

02:02:20.000 Alright, we're going to break.

02:02:21.000 We're going to come back with Jim Tucker.

02:02:22.000 If you want to talk to him later in the shower, go ahead and get lined up.

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02:02:31.000 There's an upcoming Bilderberg Group meeting.

02:02:34.000 They also have steering group meetings.

02:02:36.000 And really, the intel he gets from inside is an accurate crystal ball.

02:02:41.000 Stay with us.

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02:06:11.000 Alright, 8 minutes, 27 seconds into the second hour, second segment.

02:06:17.000 of this hour.

02:06:18.000 Jim Tucker, respected journalist, worked for some of the biggest newspapers in the country, but about 25 years ago he learned of the Bilderberg Group, an organization sworn to create world government, world taxation, world regulation and control.

02:06:34.000 As he was saying in the last segment, they're just offshoots of the same families that met in 1913, that's now public, to set up our income tax, and then to give us the private run-for-profit Federal Reserve,

02:06:47.000 Jim literally has snuck through drainage pipes, climbed over walls, posed as hotel staff to get into these resorts, these five-star hotels, and to get their documents to expose what the heads of banking, the media, the royal families of the world, the Henry Kissingers are all there basically scheming to set up.

02:07:15.000 And I guess for about the last Seven years.

02:07:19.000 I've been having Jim on before and after he goes to the Bilderberg Group meetings, always in a different spot.

02:07:26.000 Generally in Europe, but occasionally here in the United States.

02:07:31.000 And he comes on beforehand.

02:07:32.000 He a lot of times has a list of who's going to be going, from his sources.

02:07:36.000 This is real intelligence work.

02:07:39.000 He then gets there, meets with some of the locals, meets at local bars and restaurants, talks to people that are working inside.

02:07:47.000 They normally don't agree to help him, but after they see how rude the Globalists are, and hear some of the stuff the Globalists are saying and doing as they're serving them their champagne, and serving them out on the golf courses, they then come to Jim and give him lots of data and info.

02:08:02.000 And of course he's been detained by police before, he's been chased, By the security forces, the military generally guards these people.

02:08:12.000 Jim, is that kind of a fair thumbnail sketch of some of the adventures you've been on?

02:08:20.000 Yes, that sums up Little Hobby very nicely.

02:08:27.000 For those that just joined us, just briefly again in any areas you didn't cover, what is the Bilderberg Group?

02:08:33.000 Why should we be concerned about it?

02:08:34.000 And then the second part, Five years ago, my friend, the media said it didn't exist.

02:08:39.000 You've been covering it for 20-plus years.

02:08:42.000 Why now are they having to admit it exists?

02:08:44.000 Those two questions.

02:08:45.000 So many letters and inquiries from their readers.

02:08:49.000 For example, after the last meeting, the New York Times had a cutesy little story about how these chaps have this innocent little meeting that makes the right wing so hysterical. 0.99

02:09:02.000 They've attended these meetings from the very outset.

02:09:05.000 The coverage in Europe is extensive.

02:09:08.000 The blackout in the United States remains largely intact.

02:09:12.000 I think the Washington Post even did a little thing.

02:09:15.000 The only time that the word Bilderberg had ever been mentioned before in the New York Times was when one of those old gooks decided to die at one of the meetings. 1.00

02:09:22.000 Now he was of course an international banker.

02:09:26.000 His name escapes me, but he was some kind of international banker from Europe.

02:09:30.000 And so they carried the news a little bit more than just the straight of it.

02:09:36.000 And, well, you cannot blow the whistle of the New York Times and say to all 1,000 staffers.

02:09:42.000 There's one word we don't use, and that's called Bilderberg.

02:09:44.000 Never use it.

02:09:45.000 So the guy reported that he died at the Bilderberg meeting.

02:09:48.000 The Washington Post mentioned it.

02:09:52.000 That was the only time the New York Times had ever mentioned Bilderberg.

02:09:56.000 The Washington Post had mentioned it once when they were doing a roundup of all the big activities being taken out of Austria because they're mad at Austria for having a free election.

02:10:08.000 And George Heider did well in that election, so they were all mad.

02:10:12.000 They were supposed to meet at Telf near Innsbruck, originally scheduled.

02:10:17.000 And to show solidarity, they cancelled Telf and went to a place near Brussels where they had the worst accommodations they've ever known because even

02:10:27.000 As powerful as they are, it's difficult to say to a major hotel, you will clean out the hotel of all other guests, and you will have your staff carefully screened for security purposes, they will wear tags, and they will be briefed and told that they'll be fired if they leak any information, all that intimidation.

02:10:48.000 So they sort of made themselves uncomfortable that year by boycotting Austria.

02:10:58.000 But we don't know where they're meeting this year.

02:11:00.000 I stay nervous as a struggling church until we find out.

02:11:04.000 But I feel confident that we will.

02:11:08.000 Well, you've always learned in the past.

02:11:10.000 When is the new meeting coming up?

02:11:12.000 That's what I'm still trying to find out.

02:11:14.000 Very likely June because the G8 Summit of Heads of State takes place In Scotland, a little late this year, about July the 14th, they generally meet a week or two prior to the G8 meeting so they can get their instructions ready for the heads of state.

02:11:38.000 Now, for those who just joined us, there are groups like the CFR with 2,300 members, 2,500 members.

02:11:45.000 There are groups like Trilateral with a couple hundred, 500 or so.

02:11:49.000 Bilderberg Group is, of the organizations out there, the most exclusive That we know of.

02:11:56.000 How many people generally attend, that are members, and then how many guests do we normally see at the Bilderberg Group Conferences?

02:12:02.000 Well, there's on average, I'd say there's 115 regulars, Kissingers, Rockefellers, and so forth, and those who represent whatever party is in power in Washington, like Rumsfeld attended as Board's Chief of Staff.

02:12:21.000 He's attended as Secretary of State.

02:12:24.000 And high officials always in the State Department and Defense Department attend these meetings representing the President.

02:12:35.000 And there's very close associations.

02:12:37.000 For instance, when the obscure Governor of Arkansas attended the meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany in 1991, we figured there may be a bright future, political future, for that little fat feller.

02:12:49.000 Now you said that.

02:12:50.000 In the next year, the following year, he is elected President of the United States.

02:12:55.000 It was that occasion they took a little Bill Clinton out to the golf course and David Rockefeller explained to him what NAFTA was and why he's for it.

02:13:04.000 And you saw a big champion of NAFTA sitting in the White House.

02:13:08.000 In fairness, both parties favor these what they call free trade agreements rather than fair trade agreements.

02:13:17.000 Now, Jim, talking about media control, Catherine Graham attended, now her son attends, we have, but at the same time the media would say it didn't exist, you're a kook if you talk about it, but year after year you're able to learn what's going to happen in the next year. 0.54

02:13:37.000 I mean, you reported on the fall of the Soviet Union before it happened because of your inside sources in Bilderberg.

02:13:44.000 I remember You were on this show back in 2002.

02:13:49.000 They were saying that they were about to invade Iraq.

02:13:51.000 It was a sure thing.

02:13:52.000 On the nightly news, you said, no, I have it from inside Bilderberg, that they put it off a year.

02:13:58.000 It's going to be in March of 2003.

02:14:00.000 I mean, listen, Jim, I mean, you know this better than I do, but for those that don't, you keep getting just the most sterling, spot-on, dead-on intel out of these meetings.

02:14:14.000 How do you do that?

02:14:17.000 Well, you sort of described the techniques before, and human nature seems to always work the same way.

02:14:23.000 I'll arrive typically on a Monday before the shutdown begins at Heiden on Wednesday.

02:14:30.000 On the Wednesday, the advance staff of Dillberg starts arriving.

02:14:34.000 At Heiden on the Wednesday, typically the hotel is cleared of all other guests completely.

02:14:40.000 So Monday and Tuesday, I'll be among the strangers mainly in the cocktail lounge or maybe having lunch and express my awe at these important people coming.

02:14:56.000 I tried to get reservations for the whole week, and they said I'd be up by Wednesday, so I'm staying at this other hotel.

02:15:02.000 Then the friendly light conversation on Monday, except last year on Monday, the Italian police grabbed me and held me for two or three hours.

02:15:15.000 They interrupted my operation a little bit.

02:15:18.000 On Tuesday, they get a little bit more talk again.

02:15:23.000 Then you tell them, well, I'm staying at this hotel.

02:15:26.000 I'll be meeting some of the other guys to compare notes at 5 o'clock, and if you care to join us, please, do you or my guests?

02:15:34.000 Well, these hotel workers obviously don't make much money. 1.00

02:15:37.000 They like a vacation when they have to go to a nice hotel to sit in a cocktail lounge and dress up, the girls like that especially, but they get dressed up and provide information. 1.00

02:15:48.000 I always tell them, don't take a chance on your job.

02:15:51.000 I don't even know your name.

02:15:51.000 You can trust me.

02:15:52.000 I don't want to know your name.

02:15:54.000 If they put me on the rack, I could not name you.

02:15:56.000 And this is what intelligence agents do.

02:15:59.000 They'll tell you the best intel they get is in the bar, is in the cocktail lounge.

02:16:03.000 In fact, let's talk about how you got grabbed last year.

02:16:07.000 This wasn't the first time, Jim. - It was the longest time though.

02:16:12.000 Actually, I had taken my leave and asked the hotel for my desk to call a cab for me.

02:16:18.000 And I'm sitting outside, it's an evening outside that resort hotel and one there.

02:16:22.000 I've been just waiting for the cab to roll in.

02:16:25.000 And this guy in plain clothes came over and showed me his identification.

02:16:28.000 To the side of himself, this is with the Italian police, and, uh, may I see your passport?

02:16:33.000 Yep.

02:16:35.000 Uh, I don't have a cab coming, so, uh, he checks the passport, goes inside to make a phone call, comes back out and says, uh, Would you please come with us?

02:16:46.000 The commander wants to see you.

02:16:49.000 Well, it was about a 30 minute drive through a lot of little towns till we got to whatever police headquarters occupied by the commander.

02:16:57.000 I later learned there was a local cop shop just a block away from the hotel, but it took me on a big long ride.

02:17:04.000 Tell you what, Jim, we've got to break.

02:17:06.000 I want to hear the rest of the story when we get back.

02:17:10.000 After this quick break, and of course, I'm in the Secret Rumors of the World series.

02:17:14.000 It's aired in the U.S.

02:17:15.000 and England and Japan with Jim.

02:17:18.000 But in the segment with Jim, he's over in Europe and there's these guys with dark sunglasses, you know, chasing them around in cars.

02:17:28.000 But this is par for the course for a major reporter for a major publication just trying to cover what the world's elite are doing.

02:17:37.000 We'll be right back.

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02:22:34.000 Jim, so they drive you for 30 minutes into a rural area.

02:22:40.000 What happens next?

02:22:41.000 It's actually a small town and they wanted to know what my purpose was.

02:22:47.000 I said, you know what my purpose is.

02:22:49.000 It's here to cover Bilderberg.

02:22:51.000 I will find out what they're doing.

02:22:53.000 I will report on it.

02:22:57.000 This goes on for a while.

02:22:58.000 Uh, let me ask you about my press credentials.

02:23:01.000 Well, I have the Mickey Mouse press credentials that are issued by the D.C.

02:23:05.000 Police because 20 years ago, I, uh, stole a, uh, what was that searcher from, uh, Maryland's name, now long out of the Senate, retired, almost dead, Mathias, Charles Mathias.

02:23:20.000 I stole his Bilderberg portfolio, and, uh, they found out it was me who stole it.

02:23:26.000 and they had my press credentials yanked.

02:23:30.000 Now I had held congressional press credentials by the Daily Gallery for happy years with the Washington Daily News before it went belly up.

02:23:39.000 And I'd held what they call periodicals.

02:23:40.000 That's magazines.

02:23:44.000 But what does it matter?

02:23:45.000 You write for a major newspaper.

02:23:46.000 I mean, when I was in New York, they'd walk over to me standing in front of Ground Zero interviewing people.

02:23:53.000 They'd go, let us see your press credentials.

02:23:54.000 And I'm like, it's called the First Amendment.

02:23:57.000 Here's my congressional press pass.

02:24:00.000 It's pure harassment.

02:24:02.000 As far as convenience is concerned, you go into a hearing room and you can pick up the text of the testimony.

02:24:09.000 Sometimes the public at large can't also.

02:24:11.000 Anybody can.

02:24:12.000 go in.

02:24:13.000 If you want to watch the Senate or House committee conduct a hearing, you can.

02:24:21.000 But the reason that the press conditions are a matter of convenience is you can go to the head of the line.

02:24:25.000 Sometimes lobbyists and others are standing in a long line outside hoping that somebody leaves so they can get the next seat.

02:24:31.000 But just to be clear, just to be clear though, I mean let's get back to the story.

02:24:36.000 I'm kind of digressing.

02:24:38.000 They asked to see your press credentials.

02:24:40.000 So I showed them the Mickey Mouse press credentials, and then they decide they won't bother me anymore, and they drove me back several hours.

02:24:50.000 As I say, it took about three hours altogether.

02:24:53.000 They drove me back to my hotel, and I went to the bar where I could see the lobby from a mirror over the bar.

02:25:01.000 And they sat down and I lived a long time in the lobby.

02:25:08.000 So I went out and said, fellas, I'm not going anywhere else tonight.

02:25:12.000 If you want to know any more about Build-A-Burger, I'd be glad to tell you.

02:25:17.000 They said, oh, we're regulars.

02:25:20.000 We're here because we want to be.

02:25:21.000 We're regulars.

02:25:22.000 The bartender told me they're not regulars.

02:25:24.000 They very rarely come into this hotel.

02:25:27.000 So I felt myself under constant observation after that.

02:25:31.000 Well, he called for a cab to take you to the gate after the lockdown so I could go just for the record, try to walk through and have them bar me just for the record.

02:25:43.000 And the cab driver said, I can take you over to the gate now because I've got this credential hanging around my neck.

02:25:50.000 I said, no, I do exactly what they're going to do.

02:25:53.000 If the cab driver drove me all the way into the grounds, they'd grab me and put me in jail for trespassing.

02:25:59.000 Well, uh, crossing the police line, uh, and all that jazz.

02:26:03.000 So, I felt the constant surveillance, but that just made it more interesting.

02:26:08.000 Yeah, talk about adventure.

02:26:10.000 And again, you're just a member of the press trying to cover a meeting of the rich, powerful, and famous.

02:26:16.000 The richest people in the world, the heads of industry, banking, heads of state.

02:26:22.000 And all you're trying to do is go cover it.

02:26:25.000 I mean, normally the media will cover one or two Hollywood stars.

02:26:31.000 I've always put this way to the other paper boys at the press club and said the same way for 20 years because it leaves them so flat-footed.

02:26:45.000 I tell them if 120 film stars or 120 professional football players have a secret meeting behind locked and closed doors, You would, let's say, try very hard to determine what's happening behind those closed doors.

02:26:59.000 Why no curiosity when 120 of the world's most powerful men, international bankers, international financiers, multinational CEOs of multinational companies, and heads of state and high officials of our government meet?

02:27:14.000 And no curiosity at all?

02:27:16.000 They simply cannot answer that question.

02:27:17.000 There's a sheepish grin.

02:27:19.000 Others, in fact, have told me, I know we ought to cover it, they just don't let us.

02:27:22.000 We'll be right back.

02:27:23.000 Well, we are going to cover it with Jim Tucker, and I've got some other key questions for him after we take some of your calls.

02:27:29.000 We'll talk about this year's upcoming meeting, what may be on the agenda.

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02:33:00.000 But people can go to AmericanFreePress.net And they can find all that information out a little bit later.

02:33:06.000 We'll give you that number to call.

02:33:09.000 Because I can hear Jim digging around through stacks of paper.

02:33:13.000 He sounds like I do when I'm trying to find something.

02:33:15.000 But it's a really good newspaper.

02:33:17.000 A populist publication that isn't left or right.

02:33:20.000 It just exposes the corrupt elite that's running roughshod over us.

02:33:25.000 Jim, the second question is, I know you're trying to find the location, you always do, knock on wood, in a hope and pray to be serious that you do get it done this time, but any inkling on what's going to be on the agenda this year?

02:33:42.000 Now that I've found the telephone number, let me get that out before I forget and lose it again.

02:33:46.000 Call American Free Press at 202-544-5977.

02:33:46.000 Sure.

02:33:52.000 And you can sign up over the phone to subscribe, or, of course, you could write in that it's easier by telephone.

02:34:04.000 So, uh... Give that number out one more time.

02:34:08.000 number out one more time 202 544-5977 or AmericanFreePress.net now Now, Jim, shifting over to that last question that I had before we take some calls, then I want to talk about Hearst Publishing and the 9-11 hit piece they've done on myself and your paper and others.

02:34:36.000 But before we do that, any inkling of what's going to be on the agenda coming up this year?

02:34:41.000 Well, I'm sure that they'll be considering very hard how they can flip the direct taxation thing through the U.N.

02:34:51.000 There'll be, of course, pressure on the control press to not report it.

02:34:55.000 In fact, I don't think you've read in the Washington Post or the New York Times that there is a fully proposals to levy a direct tax on every citizen of the world pending before the UN even as we speak.

02:35:10.000 They could do that so quietly that you would not even be aware of it with a fraction of opinion at the gas pump initially.

02:35:16.000 Of course, that would go up in the years ahead.

02:35:18.000 In fact, since the ability to tax directly is such a symbol of global sovereignty, that's very important in their grand schemes of a world government.

02:35:31.000 As you know, the European Union, the evolving American Union, and the planned Asian-Pacific Union to divide the world into three great regions for the administrative convenience of a world government.

02:35:49.000 The dollarization of America, as in the euro in Europe.

02:35:56.000 Another important symbol of sovereignty, of course, is your own currency, the British Pound, a symbol of British sovereignty, as the dollar is a symbol of American sovereignty, United States sovereignty.

02:36:09.000 Those are regular items on their issues.

02:36:10.000 There's always some surprises, and there's always three or four guests who You cannot anticipate.

02:36:18.000 I had no idea that Senator John Edwards would be attending the last Bilderberg meeting.

02:36:22.000 As soon as I found out he was there, I thought that he was considered a potential president.

02:36:31.000 Now, if he doesn't come back this year, if he's not invited back, they will have decided that he's no longer a potential president.

02:36:40.000 Well, it's interesting that the New York Times, in one of the two articles they wrote last year about it, said that the Bilderberg Group gave the nod to Kerry and said that they liked Kerry.

02:36:51.000 Was that disinfo or a fissure between the Anglo-American establishment based in the U.S.

02:36:57.000 and England and the Bilderberg Group dominated by Europeans?

02:37:03.000 Yes, there are definitely more Europeans than Americans participating.

02:37:08.000 That's just based on The fact that we're one country of several represented in Europe.

02:37:16.000 In fact, we're probably on a per-country basis, but we have more representatives of Bilderberg than any other one country probably.

02:37:23.000 I've never thought about it that way before, but we have always had several high officials.

02:37:27.000 Sometimes the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of the Treasury has gone in the past, but always very high officials attend these meetings on the promises of absolute silence.

02:37:41.000 Interesting, you were mentioning when we reported that the invasion of Iraq would not take place in the year 2002, it would be sometime the following year, Jimmy Lee Hoagland, the associate editor of the Marching Post, who holds the publisher's hand at these Bilderberg meetings, he had to know that, but he let his own newspaper go ahead with the predictions that it would happen in the summer, or late fall at the earliest, of 2002, of that year of 2002.

02:38:11.000 Now, his commitment to secrecy was so strong, he didn't go to the National or World Desks and Look-Fellers.

02:38:17.000 Trust me, I know we're not going to go to war in 2002, so climb off the predictions that we'll be at war this year.

02:38:24.000 Okay, let's go ahead and take some calls.

02:38:26.000 David in Illinois.

02:38:27.000 You're on the air, David.

02:38:29.000 Oh, hello.

02:38:31.000 In all your meetings with the Bilderbergs, have you ever come across the European Council of Princes, formerly the International Council of Government?

02:38:42.000 I didn't know such a group existed.

02:38:44.000 Oh, okay.

02:38:45.000 Well, Jim, I think a better question would be, or to clarify it, is there a lot of royalty at these meetings?

02:38:53.000 Bobby Prince Charles has attended one meeting.

02:38:58.000 The Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands has attended since her husband, Prince Philip, was fired by Bilderberg because the Lockheed scandal embarrassed them.

02:39:09.000 He was one of their founders, one of their early chairmen.

02:39:14.000 When Prince Bernhard tore his pants, they kept him home, but let Mama go. 0.76

02:39:20.000 So she's attended these meetings all these years.

02:39:22.000 Now let's be clear.

02:39:25.000 One of the founders of Bilderberg grew up, it turned out, was an SS officer.

02:39:30.000 In fact, Prince Bernhardt was supposed to have some Nazi sympathy, as they said.

02:39:37.000 Yeah, he was an SS officer.

02:39:38.000 And then there's the same connection with the former head of the UN, Kirk Voltheim.

02:39:43.000 So, the same story over and over again, but it's okay for them to be like that.

02:39:48.000 It's not okay for anybody else to be like that.

02:39:50.000 Anything else, David?

02:39:52.000 No, that's about it.

02:39:53.000 Thanks.

02:39:54.000 All right.

02:39:54.000 Thank you for the call.

02:39:56.000 Steve in Georgia, you're on the air.

02:39:57.000 Welcome.

02:39:58.000 Yes.

02:39:59.000 Thank you, Alex, for taking my call.

02:40:01.000 And my question is to Jim Tucker.

02:40:04.000 Thank you for your work you've done over the years, Jim.

02:40:06.000 I've listened to you off and on for years.

02:40:09.000 And a couple of years ago, I called into Alex's show and talked with his guest, Al Cuppett.

02:40:16.000 And Al said that there were basically three organizations that run the world.

02:40:21.000 And one of these organizations was the Jesuit.

02:40:26.000 If you go to the book, Rulers of Evil, by Tupper Saucy, he describes in there where he looked up the word Rothschild in the Encyclopedia Judaica, and it says that they are the keepers of the Vatican treasury.

02:40:43.000 My question, Jim, is what part does the Vatican play in all of this?

02:40:51.000 I remember some years ago, some screwball wrote on the internet that Pope John hyphen Paul would be there, along with 300 other people.

02:41:00.000 He was wrong.

02:41:01.000 The Pope was back in his native Poland during the Bilderberg meeting, and there's the tradition 100, 15, 120, not the 300 as predicted.

02:41:06.000 1,520, not the 300 as predicted.

02:41:09.000 No official rule that I can determine.

02:41:12.000 I think a lot of that comes because the Vatican...

02:41:16.000 I'm certainly not an expert being a Baptist, but the Colossae Pope has many jewels in his crown, the Vatican has so much money.

02:41:26.000 Now, the Rothschilds, according to biographers, literally translate from Red Shield in German, back before last names, when last names were first coming in style.

02:41:39.000 And they had a red shield on the door, so they called themselves Red Shields.

02:41:42.000 And interesting enough, the Rockefellers from Germany, Rockefeller meant rye fields.

02:41:50.000 They grew rye.

02:41:51.000 So they were rye fields. 0.87

02:41:54.000 Now the Rothschilds have been an influence from the outset at Bilderberg. 0.92

02:42:00.000 It used to be that Evan Rothschild attended for Bilderberg meetings.

02:42:06.000 There's an earlier Bilderberger Earlier, Rothschild attended Doberk meetings.

02:42:13.000 Now, nobody by the name of Rothschild has attended, according to their list anyway.

02:42:18.000 What people on their board of directors do, Jim?

02:42:23.000 Yes, you'll find a listing of somebody who represents Rothschild Enterprises or some such venture, so they still have their hand in it.

02:42:34.000 It's just not so conspicuous by having someone with the name Rothschild.

02:42:39.000 Marriages and so forth create different last names.

02:42:41.000 So Jim, you don't see any influence that the Vatican has on world affairs then?

02:42:47.000 Oh, definitely the Vatican has influence on world affairs, but I'm not sure that Bilderberg is the conduit.

02:42:55.000 Does that answer your question, Steve?

02:42:57.000 Well, kind of, but in my research, and Alex, I thank you for waking me up.

02:43:03.000 It's driven me to research, and I'll tell you what, the more I research, it seems like all roads, or many roads, lead to Rome, and I just found Jim's answer very interesting.

02:43:16.000 Alright, thanks for the call.

02:43:17.000 I mean, I've researched this, and the globalists have infiltrated almost every major organization, and I think to say it's one group or the other running things is really, in the final equation, disinfo.

02:43:32.000 I mean, you've got evil people who amass their wealth and combine forces with other powerful individuals from different religious groups, you name it, to bring in a world government to directly tax us through the world government they control.

02:43:46.000 Jim, do you agree with that?

02:43:47.000 Yes.

02:43:49.000 I want to stress that the Catholic Church does indeed have an influence on world affairs, as demonstrated dramatically when the Pope went back to his native Poland back during the Cold War years and stood in the middle of the town square in the Soviet tanks rather than run over the Pope, turned around and withdrew from Poland.

02:44:08.000 And of course the pronouncements on such things as birth control and abortion and so forth obviously they have a great deal of political impact It's in fact with 40 million Americans being of the Catholic faith.

02:44:20.000 They'd have to have some political impact even as You never said they didn't have political impact so I didn't understand that last statement I've got a question for you, and then we'll go to a couple other callers for you.

02:44:33.000 And this is a side issue, but it goes to media control.

02:44:36.000 I mean, you're the old classic newshound, you know, including the straw hat, Jim. 0.98

02:44:43.000 And Christopher Bolin, one of your colleagues at the American Free Press, exposed that the individual who wrote the popular mechanics hit piece, who orchestrated it.

02:44:53.000 Benjamin Chertoff is a close family member of the Homeland Security Director.

02:44:59.000 Now he's written about the hidden hand of the CIA and 9-11 and Popular Mechanics.

02:45:05.000 The brutal purge of the staff of Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece.

02:45:13.000 So I wanted to talk to you about Hearst Publishing and its history, but before we did that, a little bit more background On this, this woman, this Ms.

02:45:23.000 Black that runs it, has been involved in all those different government activities, and her husband ran the U.S.

02:45:29.000 government agency.

02:45:31.000 Let me just read this.

02:45:34.000 The international law firm co-founded, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy, the international law firm, by Morris Hadley, her husband.

02:45:43.000 And then it goes into Skull and Bones members being connected to it.

02:45:47.000 The article goes into how her husband directed the federal agency that oversees domestic and international propaganda.

02:45:58.000 Comments on Hirsch Publishing and how it ties into all the fake newscasts and all the paid-off reporters that we've been hearing about.

02:46:08.000 Well, I'm not sure what daily newspapers are within that chain, but as far as Bilderberg is concerned, they would be part of the conspiracy of silence that we see in the United States.

02:46:21.000 Now, in Europe, there's a great deal of coverage in the mainstream media, page one stories, photographs about Bilderberg all the time because, well, it all started ten years ago when

02:46:35.000 Spotlight identified for the Dilbert people going to be very early so early that the Subscribers in Europe had time to wait for the ship to cross the river then they vote letters back to us They should we alert the local media and I said all means tell the local media all about it. 0.75

02:46:52.000 I should have called that years ago now when we find out where they are of course it goes instantly on the website and instantly into the newspaper and We do write to the subscribers that live nearby and ask them to give them itinerary, tell the reporters, and so forth.

02:47:11.000 And we've had a large number of reporters come out to cover Bilderberg meetings in Europe, but not in the United States.

02:47:18.000 Now let me cover this.

02:47:19.000 It is often said that USA Today is controlled by the CIA, which, like the paper, is based in McLean, Virginia.

02:47:27.000 Little known fact that black Is married to Thomas E. Harvey, Black's the head of hers publishing.

02:47:33.000 An obscure lawyer who became a White House fellow in 77 and served as special assistant to director of Central Intelligence.

02:47:40.000 Provides substance to these rumors.

02:47:42.000 Black's corporate biography does not mention her husband.

02:47:45.000 And then it goes on to say that he was a senior fellow at the Department of Defense and he was the head, I'm trying to find the subsection of the article here, he was the head of the federal body that deals with propaganda.

02:48:03.000 And I mean, my only point is, you know, it's I'm asking you this question, Jim.

02:48:08.000 So much has come out now about Armstrong Williams and paid-off reporters and hundreds of millions of dollars in fake, federally-funded newscasts.

02:48:16.000 I want to get your comment just on the general nature of the controlled press.

02:48:21.000 Not just a conspiracy of silence, but many of them being actual government agents.

02:48:26.000 We'll be right back after this quick break with Jim Tucker, and perhaps take a few more of your calls.

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02:51:55.000 The head of the Hearst Corporation, Ms. 0.62

02:51:59.000 Black, was named one of the most powerful women in American business.

02:52:04.000 She sits on the boards of Hearst Corporation, the Advertising Council, IBM, Coca-Cola.

02:52:09.000 She is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

02:52:13.000 And then it goes on to talk about her husband, Assistant to Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

02:52:19.000 And it says, in the 1980s, her husband Harvey served as General Counsel and Congressional Liaison of the U.S.

02:52:24.000 Information Agency, the former external propaganda arm of the U.S.

02:52:28.000 government.

02:52:29.000 He also served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Army and Navy, and was a personal director of the Bush-Quell-92 campaign.

02:52:37.000 And then it goes on and on, again, Ben Chertoff, cousins with the Homeland Security Director, savagely attacking myself, American Free Press and others.

02:52:47.000 Does it surprise you to have people like this attacking institutions like American Free Press and of course myself, Jim?

02:52:58.000 No, I'm quite used to it.

02:53:00.000 However, any journalist, as you mentioned earlier, I spent 20 and a half years with major newspapers in this country, establishment journalists, before starting Chase Bilderberg. 0.96

02:53:12.000 And you're a journalistic whore if you take money to pimp somebody's idea. 1.00

02:53:17.000 The proper answer when the government says, or an association or organization says, would Write a column saying how wonderful this is or how bad that is Your and we'll pay you money the logical but with the only Professional ethical thing from doing say no, I will not take money from you whatsoever But I will write a column about how you tried to bribe me to advocate your views 0.96

02:53:41.000 When you do that you lose all credibility and now it's just rampant I mean, it's been going on for a long time, but now they're just coming out with it and saying, hey, it's no big deal.

02:53:54.000 This is good.

02:53:54.000 Oh, they try to rationalize it.

02:53:56.000 Like this guy says, I'm not a journalist.

02:53:59.000 I'm a columnist.

02:54:00.000 I forgot which one that was.

02:54:03.000 Armstrong Williams.

02:54:04.000 Yeah, Armstrong Williams.

02:54:07.000 And one of the other girls said, I really should have mentioned it.

02:54:10.000 I wish I had mentioned it.

02:54:12.000 Well, she shouldn't do it at all.

02:54:14.000 So if you write anything, as I said, write about the attempt to bribe you, not accept the bribe and pin for their product.

02:54:22.000 Well, it's a lot bigger than what the people know.

02:54:25.000 And Jim Tucker, here in closing, I want to get you on as soon as you get back from Bilderberg.

02:54:31.000 This year you've always been so kind and gracious to do that in your decades of fighting these people.

02:54:38.000 But in closing, do you think the New World Order is going to win, or do you think people are starting to wake up?

02:54:44.000 No, I think when middle America finally wakes up, they're going to find it so repelling and we see good trends already just recently oh surely they've got their knickers and are not over the fact that the latest poll showed it France is a slight majority does not favor ratifying the European Constitution The same thing with England?

02:55:12.000 Yes, in fact that's why we wrote years ago that Bilderberg was determined to ask Lady Thatcher, well she's Prime Minister Thatcher then, as head of state, because she resisted the Euro and resisted surrendering sovereignty to the European Union and so they replaced her with a trapeze artist named John Major from her own party.

02:55:34.000 I think I mentioned on your last show I had the pleasure of speaking briefly with Lady Thatcher at a reception in Washington and I asked her about it and she said, and this is a very close paraphrase of what she said, that she said, being denounced by Bilderberg, she considered it to be a tribute and spoke harshly about any head of state who would surrender one bit of national sovereignty to an international body.

02:55:57.000 All right.

02:55:58.000 Well, Jim Tucker, again, thank you for all the time and Godspeed, my friend.

02:56:03.000 Thank you, and I'll see you when we get back.

02:56:04.000 Take care.

02:56:05.000 Bye-bye.

02:56:05.000 Jim Tucker, a good old-fashioned muckraker, a real journalist, spent the last hour with us.

02:56:12.000 Alright, wide open phones in the third hour.

02:56:15.000 A ton of news.

02:56:16.000 We can talk about the Shivo case.

02:56:18.000 We can talk about the earthquakes.

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02:56:25.000 We'll talk about it all in the third hour.

Alex Jones Show - April 01, 2005

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