Alex Jones Show - 20050422_Fri_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother Mainstream media.

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00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:21.000 Thanks for joining us, my friends.

00:00:37.000 It is Friday, the 22nd day of April 2005.

00:00:40.000 We've got Colonel Craig Roberts, one of the most informed and really on-the-spot investigators who has been researching the Oklahoma City bombing now for ten years since he was first put on the case.

00:00:58.000 He'll be joining us for about two hours on the program this Friday.

00:01:04.000 We'll be covering a myriad of issues that tie in the government-sponsored terrorism, not just Oklahoma City, but the first World Trade Center bombing, 9-11, you name it.

00:01:17.000 First off, I want to thank everybody that came down last night to the Tunes Not Tolls, where Jimmy Vaughn played, Jimmy Vaughn and Friends, Mr. Cotton, the world-famous Harmonic player.

00:01:35.000 Harmonica player.

00:01:36.000 It was really great to be around so many like-minded people and I really enjoyed myself and all the folks there made me feel so welcome.

00:01:44.000 I know that they all felt welcome.

00:01:46.000 It was a great time to stand up against just the unbelievable out-of-control arrogance of this government trying to put these transponder tracking toll roads in all over the country with Texas being on the front lines.

00:02:05.000 And I'll talk a little bit more about that later.

00:02:11.000 But there is so much news here that needs to be covered.

00:02:15.000 Negroponte has been sworn in as Intel Chief.

00:02:21.000 John Negroponte, the Def Squad Commander, the leader The man involved in Iran-Contra, involved in so many other areas of corruption.

00:02:30.000 He's been over in Iraq setting up the death squads.

00:02:35.000 And now he's going to be the supreme head of all intelligence, internationally and domestically, in this country.

00:02:47.000 So I do want to spend some time on that.

00:02:49.000 Also, I've thought this privately for a long time.

00:02:52.000 I mean, I don't know if it's the case.

00:02:54.000 If not, he is certainly a fellow traveler.

00:02:59.000 Fits into the slot quite nicely.

00:03:03.000 But is Bill Gertz a CIA plant?

00:03:06.000 I mean, it really should be.

00:03:09.000 It should be asked.

00:03:10.000 It should be brought up.

00:03:12.000 It should be discussed.

00:03:15.000 I remember interviewing Bill Gertz six, seven years ago, and, oh, you're so great, Bill Gertz.

00:03:19.000 Oh, yes, Bill Clinton's evil, Bill Gertz. 0.99

00:03:21.000 Oh, I love you, Bill Gertz, you know, as I sat in his lap, basically, like an idiot. 0.99

00:03:29.000 But we really get to see who Bill Gertz is with the Washington Times as the years have, well, stretched past us. 0.99

00:03:38.000 Hindsight is 20-20.

00:03:42.000 And I mean, he is really their go-to guy for fear-mongering.

00:03:46.000 Oh, they've got nukes.

00:03:47.000 They're going to get us any minute.

00:03:49.000 Give up all your rights.

00:03:51.000 And his M.O.

00:03:52.000 I had him on about two years ago, and I was exposing him, going, look, more than two years ago, Iraq doesn't have WMD.

00:03:59.000 This is all propaganda.

00:04:02.000 Bush is giving missile systems to China and taking all the controls off supercomputers.

00:04:08.000 And he didn't want to hear it.

00:04:10.000 He didn't get arrogant, though.

00:04:11.000 He was cold and calculated and just had that, uh, that, that, okay, fine, Mr. Jones, ha ha, sure, you'll see who wins.

00:04:22.000 He did have the attitude that I've gotten from other people who were admitted, uh, CIA and other members of the shadowy intelligence and propaganda groups.

00:04:35.000 He does fit that M.O.

00:04:38.000 And so I want to get into Mr. Kurtz.

00:04:42.000 There's so much more.

00:04:43.000 Aid worker uncovered America's secret tally of Iraqi civilian deaths.

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00:08:10.000 You want answers?

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00:08:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:22.000 TGIF, ladies and gentlemen.

00:08:27.000 Welcome.

00:08:31.000 Let's plunge right into the news.

00:08:34.000 Aid worker uncovered America's secret tally of Iraqi civilian deaths.

00:08:41.000 This is out of a London Independent today.

00:08:45.000 I remember about a year and a half ago, almost two years ago now, after they had liberated the Iraqis, just a few months into the liberation, they said, Saddam had always tallied the number of deaths from cancer and heart attacks and malnutrition and AIDS and everything else.

00:09:08.000 We're no longer going to keep any national statistics on illnesses or death or people that are killed during combat.

00:09:18.000 No statistics!

00:09:19.000 This was actually in the news.

00:09:21.000 And the news reported it like it was a good thing.

00:09:25.000 That way they don't have to let the public in this country know what type of genocide is going on over there.

00:09:32.000 I mean, already for twelve and a half years since the beginning of the sanctions and the multiple bombardments of that country's infrastructure and of its people, there were over a million and a half Iraqis that died.

00:09:47.000 700,000 of them children.

00:09:48.000 Madeleine Albright admitted that and said it was a good price to pay.

00:09:52.000 That was all done by design and broadcast from the Arab world to further infuriate them as part of a P2OG Pentagon precursor. 0.98

00:10:03.000 This was all done very skillfully.

00:10:06.000 Propaganda to further scald and sear our conscience, to think all of this is normal, and then to have the dual use of enraging Arab and Muslim populations so they will fight and so they will actually engage in a few of their own badly coordinated terror attacks so the globalists have an even greater reason to go in and attack them. 0.74

00:10:31.000 And that's the Pentagon's own documents.

00:10:34.000 The latest, of course, is P-2-O-G, a six billion dollar a year program, 6.2 billion. 0.99

00:10:41.000 That's a lot of money to go out and kill Arabs and kill their families to create terrorists. 0.99

00:10:46.000 But again, I digress. 0.98

00:10:49.000 We pointed out at the time, well, you're not going to keep any statistics on the numbers of people that are dying over there of all causes.

00:11:02.000 We said, that doesn't make any sense.

00:11:04.000 And now it's come out in quite a few, the British and even a few American newspapers, that indeed they are keeping numbers of the people that are dead and dying.

00:11:16.000 And it has actually accelerated.

00:11:19.000 It's actually gotten worse since the liberation there two years ago.

00:11:27.000 Aid worker uncovered America's secret tally of Iraqi civilian deaths a week before she was killed by a suicide bomber.

00:11:39.000 Humanitarian worker Maria Razkeka Ruska, excuse me, forced military commanders to admit they did keep records of Iraqi civilians killed by U.S.

00:11:53.000 forces.

00:11:53.000 Tommy Franks, the former head of U.S.

00:11:56.000 Central Command, famously said the U.S.

00:11:59.000 Army don't do body counts, close quote, despite a requirement to do so by the Geneva Conventions.

00:12:07.000 We don't do body counts.

00:12:09.000 Sure.

00:12:09.000 And I'm a Chinese jet pilot.

00:12:12.000 But in an essay Uh, that Miss Ruska wrote a week before her death on Saturday and published yesterday.

00:12:22.000 The 28-year-old revealed that a Brigadier General told her it was standard operating procedure for U.S.

00:12:29.000 troops to file a report when they shoot a noncombatant.

00:12:33.000 She obtained figures for the number of civilians killed in Baghdad between the 28th of February and the 5th of April and discovered that 29 had been killed in firefights involving U.S.

00:12:44.000 forces and insurgents.

00:12:47.000 This was four times the number of Iraqi police killed.

00:12:50.000 The statistics demonstrate the U.S.

00:12:52.000 military can and does track civilian casualties, she wrote.

00:12:57.000 Troops on the ground keep these records because they recognize they have a responsibility to review each action taken, and that it is in their interest to minimize mistakes, especially since winning the hearts and minds of Iraqis is a key component of their strategy.

00:13:16.000 Sam Zai Zarifi, Director, of Asia Division of Human Rights Watch, the group for which she wrote the report, said her discovery was very important because it allows the victims to start demanding compensation.

00:13:31.000 He added, at a policy level, they have never admitted they keep these figures.

00:13:36.000 Now, the group's own reports and from other Army reports they have, The casualty reports, they say, are at least 17,384, but the group base its total only on deaths reported by the media, and says it can therefore only be a sample of the total actually killed.

00:14:01.000 Its website says it is likely, then, that many, if not most, civilian casualties will go unreported by the media.

00:14:09.000 That is the sad nature of war.

00:14:13.000 Alright.

00:14:15.000 Now, very interesting that she's part of an aid group trying to get Iraqis to be able to get compensation for innocents that are killed.

00:14:26.000 You know, Mommy and Daddy, or Mommy is out walking down the street to the market and some troops spray machine gun bullets into her because somebody they think is an insurgent is standing 50 yards in front of her.

00:14:40.000 They just march on by and there's no compensation.

00:14:43.000 Now, you may think they're all animals over there and sub-human.

00:14:45.000 I've heard you on the radio.

00:14:47.000 Michael Savage and others. 0.98

00:14:49.000 And you may think it's cute and Ann Coulter may think it's cute and say we should kill more civilians and use an iron fist. 0.98

00:14:57.000 That will teach them. 0.98

00:14:57.000 Of course, that will have the opposite effect, but okay, fine. 0.98

00:15:02.000 You may think they're animals.

00:15:04.000 But you better understand that this is criminal. 0.86

00:15:10.000 And it stinks to high heaven.

00:15:12.000 Remember the lady that got shot? 1.00

00:15:13.000 She was the aid worker.

00:15:15.000 She was married to an Iraqi.

00:15:16.000 She was a white lady from the U.S. 1.00

00:15:19.000 She was married.

00:15:20.000 She was part of a liberal group.

00:15:22.000 She was over there.

00:15:24.000 She'd been helping the Iraqis throughout the twelve and a half year siege.

00:15:30.000 And they grabbed her.

00:15:31.000 And it was reported by mainstream news in Europe and England, and even on a few of the U.S.

00:15:37.000 news wires, but never on the nightly news or in the newspaper, That white men, leading a group of Iraqi National Guard, about 25 of them, came in, grabbed her, let her out, that it was on the news that al-Zawahiri had gotten her, al-Qaeda had gotten her, and then they blew her head off, and that was the end of it.

00:15:59.000 I mean, why would the insurgents, why would al-Syaida, you know, if al-Qaeda wasn't al-Syaida, why would they go grab this woman with white guys?

00:16:08.000 Everybody saw it.

00:16:09.000 Big trucks pull up.

00:16:10.000 They go in with the troops.

00:16:11.000 Get her. 0.58

00:16:11.000 Take her out. 0.58

00:16:12.000 She's been reporting on the mass murder of civilians and all the corruption and exposing Allowee, the puppet leader over there.

00:16:21.000 And so...

00:16:23.000 These vehicles pull up, grab her, take her, they advertise in the news for a week, Al-Qaeda's got her!

00:16:28.000 Al-Qaeda's got her! 0.84

00:16:29.000 Al-Qaeda! 1.00

00:16:31.000 Those bloody bastards! 1.00

00:16:33.000 They killed our woman! 1.00

00:16:36.000 Then it turned out, of course, it was U.S.

00:16:38.000 government.

00:16:39.000 And the same thing here. 0.95

00:16:40.000 I mean, this stinks to high heaven.

00:16:42.000 She is sending emails to the aid workers.

00:16:47.000 She's got information, about to get compensation. 1.00

00:16:52.000 And a convenient truck bomb rolls into their aid center and blows up the aid center.

00:16:59.000 Aid centers that were there, again, for over a decade.

00:17:06.000 People that are against the occupation get truck bombed.

00:17:09.000 Now there are some real truck bombs that really are insurgents, and those target police stations and the green zone, but most of them are people getting machine gunned and killed who aren't playing ball, and it's always Al-Qaeda that did it. 0.86

00:17:22.000 Always Al-Qaeda! 0.94

00:17:25.000 Al-Qaeda is just everywhere, ladies and gentlemen. 0.98

00:17:27.000 They're just popping up like, like, like groundhogs at the, you know, at springtime or, or, you know, that video game where you try to, it's not a video game, it's a game where you got the mallet and you're trying to hit the, hit the gopher on the head, you know?

00:17:43.000 They're, they're popping up.

00:17:45.000 You ever played that?

00:17:46.000 Just keeps popping up everywhere.

00:17:48.000 Let's give all our rights up and we'll all be safer. 0.95

00:17:52.000 And the tally of aid workers and people that are against the occupation that are being killed.

00:17:57.000 But that's how arrogant the globalists are.

00:17:59.000 I mean, they'll even have, you know, Anglo intelligence officers pull up with their Iraqi attack dogs, their former Ba'athists who are back in power. 0.95

00:18:12.000 They'll march in and grab people. 0.99

00:18:14.000 They'll kill them. 1.00

00:18:16.000 They'll saw people's heads off. 1.00

00:18:18.000 I mean, they do it all.

00:18:20.000 It's so obvious.

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00:19:37.000 But these new control grids that I've talked about come right out of the Pentagon documents.

00:19:42.000 We've covered them here.

00:19:43.000 Or they say that this is a military control grid being put in. 0.90

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00:24:12.000 Continuing into this news article, it says the Ripon Insolidated Fire District will also stand to benefit.

00:24:23.000 Talking about this control grid, it goes on to say, the system which was originally engineered for use by the United States military during battlefield operations has since been taken over by Motorola, a company renowned for their innovations and leadership in the communications sector.

00:24:40.000 Lockheed Martin was hired by the city as an independent information technology consultant on the subject and helped the police chief find the new system that is the right fit for the community like Rypen.

00:24:55.000 And it goes on to say they're going to have thumb scanners in the police cars, face scanning cameras everywhere, cameras all over the place constantly tracking you.

00:25:03.000 It'll tie into your cell phones that already have the satellite tracker triangulators.

00:25:09.000 The Governor of Wisconsin is talking about this.

00:25:12.000 This is all over the country.

00:25:15.000 And it's all going to be administered, basically, by military systems.

00:25:19.000 And it was designed to totally control and enslave a population.

00:25:23.000 They're even trying to put the same system in in Baghdad right now.

00:25:27.000 I'll talk about this more with Colonel Roberts later when he's on with us.

00:25:30.000 I mean, the article gets really bad.

00:25:33.000 But the police say, you know, Big Brother's good.

00:25:35.000 He's here to help.

00:25:37.000 But you're evil if you go to the border with binoculars and call the police as the illegals pour across. 1.00

00:25:43.000 But we're going to crack everything you do and face scan you. 0.62

00:25:48.000 It's serious business, folks, because once this grid's in, the bad stuff's going to start happening.

00:25:54.000 Let's go to some calls, and I mean very quickly, because I want to give everybody time to get on.

00:25:59.000 Rob in Wyoming.

00:26:00.000 Go ahead, Rob.

00:26:01.000 Hey, Alex.

00:26:02.000 I have an update on the Camp Guernsey situation here in Wyoming.

00:26:06.000 Want me to go over it?

00:26:08.000 Another one of these military training camps where the troops are openly trying to confiscate our guns and that's now, again, mainstream news.

00:26:15.000 Right.

00:26:16.000 And it's being sold to us as a wonderful thing, good for the economy of Wyoming.

00:26:20.000 And these camps are everywhere.

00:26:22.000 Yeah, and the fact that it's a smaller camp than some, the thing is, it's going on right now.

00:26:27.000 The other ones are a done deal.

00:26:29.000 And one guy called the Governor last time.

00:26:32.000 I'd like to see if I can get some more people to call.

00:26:34.000 Okay, real fast, because I've got a lot of callers here, sir.

00:26:37.000 There's a clear channel station here called K2 Radio, and just as plain as day, yesterday I heard them announce on their news blip between English Blimbaugh that Russian troops are now training in Platt County at Camp Guernsey in Wyoming.

00:26:52.000 Well, the government said if we're tied down in the war on terror overseas, foreign assets will be used.

00:26:57.000 You're not with Al-Qaeda, are you?

00:26:59.000 What's wrong with Russian troops?

00:27:00.000 Yeah, I know.

00:27:01.000 I got a problem with the Peruvian Army, British Royal Air Force, and now Russian troops.

00:27:06.000 Announced on clear channel as though it's just... Well, I mean, they admit it was just in the Oregonian that these camps are to deal with evil civilians, evil homeschoolers.

00:27:16.000 And the governor's done nothing to stop it.

00:27:18.000 And it's all financed by the Wyoming Highway Patrol.

00:27:20.000 Okay, well, if you want to give the number, I'll go ahead.

00:27:21.000 Okay, the regular number is 777, area code 307-777-7434, extension 8514.

00:27:33.000 Thanks for the call.

00:27:33.000 All right, Rob.

00:27:34.000 I appreciate it.

00:27:35.000 I've just got a guest coming up and I want to get to all the calls.

00:27:38.000 Dwayne in New York.

00:27:39.000 Dwayne, go ahead.

00:27:41.000 Alex, how you doing, my friend?

00:27:42.000 Good.

00:27:43.000 I've got a little video clip here for you of Fox News.

00:27:48.000 I think it was Fox News Network, I think, April 19th, a couple days ago, as you know.

00:27:54.000 And stuff here of Mr. Frank Keating, former Oklahoma governor, that came on and had a little shill talk.

00:28:02.000 Well, I think we know.

00:28:02.000 the scripters and everything like that about how Timothy McVeigh and on Nichols you know were the supposed plotters and blowing up the federal mural building and stuff just in case you want to hear it I got it ready to roll here for you not that long well I think we know that's what they've always said so like that but you know it's only about a not too long about a five-minute clip but I'll cut it down to maybe two I really don't have time to air that right now I apologize.

00:28:32.000 Plus, I mean, if it was Keating saying, we found bombs in the buildings like he did that day, I definitely would want to air that.

00:28:39.000 But I mean, that's just basically airing a whole party line, Dwayne.

00:28:43.000 Exactly.

00:28:44.000 And then he talked about how After supposedly, you know, the attacks and stuff like that, he had Dick Cheney, Vice President, come down.

00:28:53.000 Had a little fundraiser for a national charter and stuff, how he paid off the victims of the attacks and stuff like that.

00:29:00.000 Had Worshipping Bill Clinton coming down.

00:29:03.000 And so forth, so... Yeah, it was Dick Cheney and Bill Clinton worshipping together, and we should give all our rights up to the nice men in black uniforms, or the bombs will get us, yeah.

00:29:13.000 Exactly.

00:29:14.000 And also... And of course Bill Clinton said it was talk radio's fault.

00:29:18.000 Exactly.

00:29:18.000 I mean, it's talk radio's fault.

00:29:19.000 No, it's your fault, Bill Clinton. 0.99

00:29:21.000 Your bosses carried that bombing out, you were a murdering pig, and George Bush protects you. 1.00

00:29:29.000 I mean, really, it's that simple. 1.00

00:29:30.000 I'm sick of it.

00:29:32.000 Dwayne, if you want to send me that tape, that's great, and I really appreciate your call.

00:29:35.000 Thank you.

00:29:36.000 I'm going to jam Keith, Anthony, and John in, then we're going to Colonel Craig Roberts.

00:29:41.000 Then we'll continue with your calls, but I want to get into Oklahoma City because it's another government bombing.

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00:33:14.000 I'm the guy who's the boss on this highway.

00:33:17.000 So watch out what you're doing when you're driving my way.

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00:33:26.000 Well, the decorated Marine Corps sniper, Army colonel, police detective, SWAT team commander, helicopter, police pilot, Detective on the Oklahoma City case, best-selling author, researcher.

00:33:42.000 I mean, really, Craig Roberts is a good personal friend of mine.

00:33:45.000 And we're going to have him with us for the entire broadcast.

00:33:50.000 That is the time we've got left, two hours and twenty-something minutes to today.

00:33:55.000 And I'm working on Charles Key coming on, the state rep who really exposed Oklahoma City.

00:33:59.000 They invited me up to speak at the 10th anniversary and I wish I could have gone, but I've just completed the new Phil Marshall Law, and I was trying to finish these Arnold ads, which I've now finished the ad that I made.

00:34:10.000 We've gotten the contest there, but I would have loved to have gotten up there.

00:34:14.000 We're working on getting Charles Key on, spur of the moment, later in the broadcast today.

00:34:19.000 You talk about a real police officer, somebody who serves the people, and not the state, as that song was just saying.

00:34:26.000 He'll be joining us here in a few minutes.

00:34:28.000 But right now, let's go back to your calls.

00:34:30.000 Just a few of them that have been holding along is Keith, Anthony, and John.

00:34:34.000 You've got to move quick, because I don't want to make our guests wait.

00:34:37.000 Keith in Ohio, go ahead.

00:34:38.000 Okay, Alex, just about 60 seconds there.

00:34:41.000 I really appreciate all the work you're doing there.

00:34:43.000 Some of Satan's greatest work, you know, is an imitation gospel. 0.78

00:34:48.000 You know, there's a couple websites I have real quick.

00:34:50.000 Through the Bible, ttb.org and wayofthemaster.com are great Christian websites.

00:34:56.000 There's so many people who think they're saved or not, and it's based on a heart relationship of trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ alone, because we're all going to die someday.

00:35:06.000 And people read Mark chapter 4, Romans 7, and You know, it's based on what the Lord Jesus Christ did, and having a relationship, not on our own good works.

00:35:17.000 And another quick thing, you know, the Russian leaders said they couldn't get to America in years past because of our morality and religion, where so much of that has deteriorated, and now kind of the immune system, as they say, is down, and people need to read Jeremiah 19, so.

00:35:32.000 All right.

00:35:32.000 You take care.

00:35:33.000 Thank you for the call.

00:35:35.000 I agree with you.

00:35:36.000 You've got to have an immoral population to have slaves.

00:35:42.000 That's how you take a people from freedom to slavery.

00:35:46.000 Is you've got to get them distracted on the more bestial levels of the mind so they won't defend themselves, so they won't defend their neighbors.

00:35:54.000 You've got to get people thinking about themselves first.

00:35:58.000 Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

00:36:00.000 When you get that attitude then the civilization falls apart.

00:36:04.000 Because the truth is when you only care about yourself You've just destroyed yourself.

00:36:09.000 You've just created an atmosphere where corruption breeds and where despotism takes over.

00:36:16.000 Anthony in Louisiana, go ahead, you're on the air.

00:36:18.000 Hey Alex, you used to talk a lot in the past about An article or a study or something that said that public technology has fallen behind like 50 years from real technology?

00:36:29.000 No, it's like 25 to 35.

00:36:30.000 Okay, I was trying to find the source for that.

00:36:34.000 I can't find it on your site.

00:36:35.000 Do you remember the source, basically?

00:36:37.000 Hundreds of sources.

00:36:38.000 I mean, that's... There's just masses of evidence on that.

00:36:44.000 I mean, they do... Here's an example.

00:36:47.000 This is probably what you're talking about.

00:36:49.000 Uh, the SR-71 Blackbird was in flight in 1955, uh, being tested.

00:36:56.000 It was in service in 1958, and it was taken out of service 20-something years ago, and they still claim it's the fastest plane in the world.

00:37:06.000 Now, do you believe that?

00:37:09.000 Uh, probably not, no.

00:37:10.000 I think the Aurora passed that up.

00:37:12.000 Well, yeah, the Aurora Blackman of the space planes.

00:37:15.000 But, uh, take the B-2 Bomber.

00:37:19.000 It's been reported they had that thing in the late 70s and they unveiled it in the late 1980s.

00:37:28.000 And there's just so many technologies that they dole out, and dribble out, and give to us piecemeal.

00:37:35.000 But the technology in the research laboratories at universities, and in these big private labs at companies, they admit is decades ahead.

00:37:44.000 It just takes them time to then integrate it into something that's usable by the public.

00:37:49.000 But there isn't one source document on that.

00:37:53.000 Okay, one last thing.

00:37:54.000 On the Larry Silverstein quote, he said that he got a call from the fire chief and then he went ahead and said that to pull it.

00:38:01.000 Wouldn't that mean that some of the fire personnel had to be in on it?

00:38:04.000 And how does it justify that?

00:38:06.000 Somehow he got a demo team in there to keep their mouths shut and go ahead and set up all that demo and then never be heard from again.

00:38:13.000 And I'll just hang up.

00:38:14.000 Thank you.

00:38:14.000 Well, thank you.

00:38:15.000 And again, for those that don't know what Anthony's bringing up here, Larry Silverstein, the owner of the World Trade Center.

00:38:22.000 And a couple million dollars worth of TV ads and print ads have now run in New York, asking him what he meant by that and he will not respond.

00:38:30.000 I mean, if you were running millions of dollars of ads about me, and saying I've blown buildings up, I'd respond.

00:38:39.000 But again, it's not just his statement, it's everything else.

00:38:42.000 Firefighters told an AP photographer and others, get back, we're about to bring the building down.

00:38:48.000 It was on local radio, they were about to pull it.

00:38:53.000 It's amazing.

00:38:53.000 And yes, they couldn't have put demolition charges in there while it was burning.

00:38:57.000 Last call before we go to Colonel Roberts.

00:38:59.000 John in Ohio, go ahead.

00:39:01.000 Yes, I wanted to talk about Oklahoma City and some of the Bill Gertz party line types who are pushing the official Bush-Cheney version of LCI Ada and Oklahoma City.

00:39:14.000 But just before that, I just wanted to mention ZMAG.org.

00:39:18.000 You've got a lot of the independent journalists, not the prostitute-embedded journalists over there who have documented a lot of the cold-blooded slaughter and murder by the U.S. 0.74

00:39:27.000 military of people... And they're the journalists that get killed, and then they blame it on Al-Syeda!

00:39:32.000 Absolutely.

00:39:33.000 And I'd like to mention two of these party-blind types who are now coming out of the woodwork, I believe.

00:39:40.000 I was listening to KDKA Radio, which I think you've been on,

00:39:43.000 I called in after this person was on, and it was Jada Davis, and she's written a book that is really pushing the party line on steroids, the Bush-Cheney party line on Oklahoma City, trying to get a Mideast connection, an Iraqi connection, completely whitewashing the fact that the Iraqis in this country, as you pointed out, were actually agents of the CIA in Oklahoma City.

00:40:11.000 And, uh, I called in and I said that they should have you on again, apparently on KDKRadio.com, I guess you could get in touch with them if you want to do it yourself.

00:40:22.000 And I just have to insist that listening to another person I think is pushing the Bush-Cheney line, and I think the reason that he's the favorite on this ultra-arch-war-monger Art Bell over the years is Stephen Quayle.

00:40:36.000 I listened to him last night and he was peddling the same kind of line about Al-Syed being, you know, this independent group that's out to get us, and the nuke case, the suitcase nukes and the rest of it, had a guest on, peddling that kind of line.

00:40:50.000 So I think if you're going to criticize Michael Moore from partially pushing that whitewash, I think Steven Quayle does it in spades. 0.99

00:40:58.000 Alright, thank you for the call, John.

00:41:00.000 Let me briefly comment on what you just said, and then move on.

00:41:03.000 Steve Quayle believes that it is a group above our government controlling Al-Qaeda, and I totally agree with it. 1.00

00:41:10.000 I mean, George Bush certainly knows about it.

00:41:13.000 Cheney knows about it.

00:41:14.000 Cheney was involved.

00:41:16.000 But they're puppets.

00:41:18.000 And Steve talks about the New World Order.

00:41:20.000 He exposes it.

00:41:21.000 And I don't agree with what you're saying about Steve Quayle.

00:41:25.000 I mean, I've been on the show many times.

00:41:26.000 I've been on the air with him when he's saying it's the New World Order.

00:41:30.000 And he thinks there's a suitcase nuke threat.

00:41:33.000 I think there is, too.

00:41:35.000 And he'll tell you it's from the globalists.

00:41:40.000 We can debate that.

00:41:41.000 As for Jaina Davis, I think Jaina's done a good job exposing that it is John Doe number two and John Doe number one and all these other people involved and that there was a Mideast connection.

00:41:54.000 Why did the government cover that up?

00:41:56.000 And then we go further, well, because they were government agents.

00:42:00.000 So I don't want to sit here and attack Jaina Davis over that.

00:42:04.000 Let's bring Colonel Robertson.

00:42:06.000 Colonel, that was a good caller to end with.

00:42:08.000 I appreciate you joining us, my friend.

00:42:10.000 How are you doing?

00:42:11.000 Oh, doing good.

00:42:11.000 You know, just keeping them beat back at the edge of the jungle.

00:42:14.000 I was down.

00:42:14.000 I was one of the speakers at the Oklahoma City conference that we just finished up with.

00:42:18.000 It was one of those deals where we had a lot of great speakers, a lot of great information, but the attendance could have been a lot better.

00:42:25.000 We had, I think, maybe 50 or 60 people end up showing up where there should have been thousands.

00:42:30.000 You have a lot of incredible speakers.

00:42:32.000 I should have gotten you guys on to promote it.

00:42:35.000 Well, you know, they passed out 3,000 flyers, and they got with the news media, and they did all kinds of press releases.

00:42:41.000 See, mainstream news, I've found, doesn't get a response.

00:42:45.000 No, no.

00:42:46.000 I mean, like I've said, I've gone on Good Morning America and plugged my website twice, and we don't get any visitors to the website, and I go on some little Christian station and plug the website, and we get tens of thousands of visitors.

00:42:58.000 Well, you know, most of the people who watch the mainstream media on a consistent basis... They're jellyfish!

00:43:02.000 Yeah, they're semi-brain-dead.

00:43:04.000 So, otherwise they'd be watching the alternative news sources to try to find out what's really going on instead of the line of propaganda.

00:43:11.000 Well, I apologize.

00:43:11.000 I should have promoted what you guys were doing.

00:43:13.000 I probably would have got a few people there for you.

00:43:15.000 Like when we had shell-out crowds in that big ol' hall in Kansas City.

00:43:20.000 Yeah, that was incredible.

00:43:22.000 I mean, it was like in ten minutes before we were supposed to start, the place was half empty and by the time we started, it was a standing room.

00:43:29.000 I think everybody comes to the last minute.

00:43:31.000 That's what they do.

00:43:32.000 Now, but, Craig, let's respond to what the last caller was just saying.

00:43:41.000 Talking about Jaina Davis, I mean, I've heard her, and she lost her job over this, and we got clips of her in my film, Road to Tyranny, and, you know, she has documented that there were Arabs involved, but then we've got to go to the next question, well, then why'd the government cover that up, Colonel?

00:43:57.000 Well, you know, this is the same thing that we've been Hashing over, you know, for 10 years now.

00:44:03.000 Jaina was, you know, kind of a part of our ad hoc team back in the very beginning.

00:44:07.000 You know, for a lot of the listeners that aren't up to speed on this, I'll do a quick recap.

00:44:14.000 I was full-time with Tulsa Police Department.

00:44:15.000 I had not retired yet.

00:44:17.000 And on day three of the bombing, I was assigned by the Chief of Police at the FBI's request to work with the FBI and try to come up with what, who McVeigh was, where he's been.

00:44:27.000 And anything else I could discover about the bombing to add to the intake of material.

00:44:33.000 And within six months it got to the point to where I got so tired of being lied to and seeing evidence destroyed and witnesses intimidated and reports changed that I told them I just can't work with you anymore because my passion is the truth, not politics.

00:44:48.000 So that kind of put me where I was kind of a loose cannon, but by that time I'd already made several acquaintances down in Oklahoma City with other people like Dana Davis, David Hoffman, Jimmy Rothstein, and several others.

00:45:00.000 And we were able to start using bits and pieces of what we all got and put it together in one big pile and sift through it and find out what really happened.

00:45:09.000 Jaina was one who was of course a news reporter for Channel 4 and I spoke to her many times and I've seen the original videos uncut that she did of the different interviews and the mock-ups and the recreation of what happened using computer graphics and so on.

00:45:27.000 And everything that she has come up with fits what the witnesses said, fits every piece of information that we could develop.

00:45:35.000 And these witnesses are firefighters, police detectives, people that were there.

00:45:40.000 Right.

00:45:41.000 And the surveillance cameras that the government has declared national security on.

00:45:46.000 You know what's incredible, Alex, and I'm sure for the next couple of hours we're going to be able to go down a lot of hallways here, but what's incredible, that brings to mind the fact that you've got government attorneys who in court We'll say that you can't trust witness testimony, then they turn around and they bring a felon who was in prison out as a witness and use him to testify against you because he was a snitch.

00:46:11.000 You know, I mean, they take the worst credible person, they'll put him on the stand and you get somebody who works a good job, has a perfect work record, who's 100% reliable, as steady as they come, put them on the stand and then they say, well, eyewitness testimony isn't reliable.

00:46:24.000 When you've got four or five or eight or ten eyewitnesses that saw the same thing, you know, that's pretty darn reliable.

00:46:30.000 You know, I worked traffic accidents when I was a cop and you'd get three people that saw the accident and three versions of what happened.

00:46:35.000 But on the Oklahoma City bombing, everybody agreed.

00:46:38.000 They all added things to it, you know.

00:46:42.000 Maybe they varied on the shade of the color of a car or something like that.

00:46:47.000 One will say mustard and another will say yellow.

00:46:49.000 But all in all, we had a very clear picture within the first 72 hours of what happened.

00:46:54.000 And we knew we had two Middle Easterners standing in front of the front door because many people that we interviewed had walked right by them and said, this is odd.

00:47:01.000 There's two Middle Eastern guys in blue jogging suits.

00:47:03.000 They call them Arabs and things like that.

00:47:05.000 Standing at the front door, scowling, looking around, seemed to be nervous, and of course they went on to work because they weren't anticipating anything like this happening.

00:47:13.000 We weren't really prepared to go to war, you know.

00:47:16.000 Uh, and with Islam at the time, so we weren't mentally prepared to say, hey, gee, there's a problem. 0.99

00:47:20.000 I think these guys are terrorists.

00:47:21.000 That didn't happen in those days.

00:47:23.000 So what happened was, uh, uh, what they had, what they did, and this is according to all of the things that we could piece together, McVeigh was supposed to drive the Ryder truck up front, which is, I call it the Manleaker Carcano Ryder truck, because it's, it's the false lead in the whole thing.

00:47:37.000 It's supposed to be the bomb.

00:47:39.000 And we all know that didn't happen.

00:47:41.000 But he drives up, but when he gets a block away, there's a UPS truck parked right in front of the building.

00:47:47.000 Well, with a UPS truck parked in front of the building, taken above the parking place, he had to stop right across the street from the post office, which is a block west.

00:47:54.000 So, this book, American Terror, that these two bozos up in Buffalo, New York wrote, that are supposed to be these great investigative journalists, that had him lighting fuses and driving right straight in, that was a pack of lies. 0.65

00:48:06.000 It was fiction.

00:48:07.000 We showed that right up front.

00:48:08.000 We haven't heard about the book since.

00:48:10.000 But anyway, he stops there, gets out of the truck, walks behind the truck.

00:48:14.000 More eyewitnesses see this.

00:48:16.000 Walks behind the truck, stands on the sidewalk, and has an animated conversation with another Middle Eastern male who's shorter than him with curly dark hair.

00:48:23.000 I mean, we get very good descriptions here.

00:48:25.000 It's not just like he talked to a guy.

00:48:26.000 We have their clothing.

00:48:28.000 FBI agents have even told the L.A.

00:48:29.000 Times the same stuff that's in the local news reports.

00:48:32.000 That they've got the surveillance tape showing all this, exactly what the witnesses saw.

00:48:36.000 Yeah, and then you've still got John Doe, too, sitting in the cab of the truck, so now we've got four million surveillance tapes.

00:48:41.000 But to disprove this, I mean, the government's declared national security on these videotapes, and fought in court to keep them secret.

00:48:47.000 I mean, why would they do that?

00:48:48.000 Why wouldn't they use the video of McVeigh by himself, if this is true, in the court case?

00:48:54.000 Well, obviously, McVeigh's not by himself.

00:48:56.000 You know, our deal was, okay, show us the tape, show us the Zapruder film, show us how many people got out of the truck, because you're saying, you know, the government is saying that

00:49:07.000 The contrary to Elliott's truck rental people up there in Kansas that McVeigh showed up with another guy and another guy was waiting outside which made three that they had mistaken and they changed it and McVeigh came alone and the next day Todd Bunting an army private who was moving to the east coast came alone and they had confused them and well you go back to Elliott's today and they'll say no we never did say that the FBI said that but we didn't say it so uh...

00:49:35.000 You've got those two right there with McVeigh, and you've got the two in front of the door of the Murr Building that hold the parking place for him when the UPS truck drives away.

00:49:47.000 And then you've got the one in the truck that's riding with him, who we know who he is, picked up by witnesses who identified him off photographs.

00:49:54.000 And we've got another one standing on a curb.

00:49:55.000 So now we're dealing with four to six of these guys.

00:49:58.000 We know that there's a cell of twelve of them.

00:50:00.000 We identified all twelve in this cell.

00:50:01.000 Now, Jane did this. 0.92

00:50:03.000 Even the local news and undercover reports went and shot video.

00:50:07.000 The police intelligence unit went and shot video of them.

00:50:11.000 We've even got some of that video in the film.

00:50:13.000 Greg, when we get back though, for people that just joined us, I want to first put in a nutshell from your decade of investigation since day one.

00:50:21.000 what you believe clearly happened on April 19, 1995 and then I want to go through all of the evidence and take phone calls into the next hour.

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00:50:34.000 The website for Colonel Craig Roberts' information is RifleWarrior.com RifleWarrior.com of course he's the best-selling author of One Shot One Killed Marine Corps Sniper in Vietnam He's also written some other best-selling books.

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00:56:47.000 Colonel Roberts, we've got two minutes before the break.

00:56:49.000 Give it to us in a nutshell.

00:56:51.000 Bottom line, you know, we've talked many times driving for three hours in your car from an event, you know, back in Oklahoma.

00:56:58.000 Just give it to us.

00:56:59.000 What really happened in Oklahoma City?

00:57:01.000 Who really did it?

00:57:03.000 Well, you know, I think the key to the whole thing was everything that is important on any event happens on day one, hour one, hour two, hour three, and by day two they've spun everything and they've cleaned it up and you're not going to see the same stuff.

00:57:15.000 In Oklahoma City, the most important thing that struck me as being odd was that they stopped rescuing people who were trapped in the rubble, pulled everybody back, and set their other explosives in the building when, yeah, there probably were, but at the same time, what they really did is they came in with 50 guys and they started removing boxes of records.

00:57:34.000 Now, that building had no agency in it.

00:57:36.000 That had any types of records that would be so important that you would let people die or be trapped in rubble and not try to rescue them while the smoke still hung in the air that you would have to go rescue records instead.

00:57:48.000 And when Gene Pogue, the FBI spokesman at the scene, was talking to the media and they asked him why are they doing this, he said, well, it's unfortunate, but, you know, these records have to be taken out of the building.

00:57:59.000 And they came in and they even got filing cabinets out and loaded them up on trucks.

00:58:02.000 So it was what was in the records.

00:58:04.000 Now the question we have to ask ourselves is why Oklahoma City?

00:58:08.000 You know, I worked with the British Army in England and they didn't even know where Oklahoma was.

00:58:11.000 I had to draw a map of the United States, point to Dallas and say drive north.

00:58:15.000 So if the Brits don't even know where Oklahoma City is, how would the Arabs know where Oklahoma City is, and why Oklahoma City?

00:58:20.000 I mean, if you were going to do something to attack America, and we know that... Bottom line, Colonel, you know who did it.

00:58:28.000 Give us your take on who was behind it.

00:58:30.000 Well, I think the records, as I was told by a telephone call from a guy who said he was a federal agent, were the MENA records of the drugs running that ran through MENA, Arkansas.

00:58:40.000 And when the Clintons went through Washington, they were taken to Oklahoma City.

00:58:43.000 The Clintons?

00:58:45.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

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00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:14.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen.

00:59:27.000 It's Friday, already into the second hour.

00:59:32.000 We're talking to Colonel Craig Roberts about Oklahoma City.

00:59:37.000 Ten years and what, three days later, it's clear that it was a globalist bombing, a globalist controlled bombing meant to usher in a police state.

00:59:48.000 And at the same time, the Clintons used it as a place to stow their MENA drug-running records, and as people were dying and bleeding to death, they pulled all the rescue workers out for hours so they could get all of that material out of there, which then disappeared.

01:00:03.000 They then blew up the wreckage of the building later and buried it under guard at a landfill where it's guarded today by men with guns.

01:00:13.000 Very interesting, and we have the reports of these Arabs on scene, the surveillance camera tapes, all of it.

01:00:18.000 Why won't the government release that?

01:00:20.000 And if it was Arabs acting alone from Iraq, why wouldn't the media use that?

01:00:26.000 Because these were Arabs that were brought into the U.S. 0.93

01:00:28.000 by George Herbert Walker Bush, and of course then Bill Clinton, and uh... Craig I mean, let's just cut right to the heart of the matter.

01:00:39.000 There's so much evidence, we could talk about the evidence for hours, and we will get into it, then I want to take some calls, coming up here in a few minutes.

01:00:44.000 But, bottom line, we know these Arabs were brought into the U.S., we know when police got them, they were ordered to release them. 0.51

01:00:51.000 We know that they won't release the surveillance camera tapes.

01:00:55.000 I mean, it's clear who these Arabs were being protected by.

01:00:58.000 And then you've got all these other groups with the Elohim City and the white supremacists tied in.

01:01:03.000 Was this a bigger operation that They were going to use the demonized domestic groups tied in with arrows, and then they decided to go ahead and compartmentalize the operation?

01:01:14.000 I mean, what do you think really happened here?

01:01:16.000 Well, you know, this is one of those typical off-the-shelf operations, just like the Kennedy assassination was, in Dealey Plaza.

01:01:22.000 In fact, there's so many parallels between the Kennedy assassination and the way the investigation was handled afterwards.

01:01:28.000 In Oklahoma City, it looks like they used the same blueprint.

01:01:33.000 We know, and here's the thing, what they're trying to do is they muddy the water by having various news media types poke up and say, gee, this goes all the way to Al-Qaeda.

01:01:42.000 Al-Qaeda did it. 0.97

01:01:44.000 It went to Osama Bin Laden through the Philippines and all this and that and the other.

01:01:48.000 Well, there's some ties there, but let's back off and really look at Osama Bin Laden. 0.54

01:01:53.000 Didn't send these 3500 Iraqi POWs into this country.

01:01:56.000 Our government brought them in and resettled them all over the country.

01:02:00.000 So they weren't working.

01:02:01.000 They were not working for Saddam Hussein.

01:02:04.000 They weren't working for Osama Bin Laden or Al Qaeda.

01:02:08.000 They were working for somebody else who provided them with houses, provided them with funding, provided them with cover and protection.

01:02:15.000 That was our own government that did these guys, and then refused to pick them up, no matter what Jayna Davis developed, no matter what I developed, or anybody else.

01:02:22.000 We could not force the FBI to even bring these guys in for questioning, even though all the eyewitnesses picked them out of photographs and said, that's the guy that did it.

01:02:29.000 Now, if you have a bank robbery, or if you have a murder, you know, and you get a witness that looks at mud shots and say, hey, that's the guy I saw right there. 0.79

01:02:37.000 And they're all saying it was independent of each other.

01:02:39.000 Yeah, you know, you're going to go out, you're going to pick this guy up, Um, and talk to him, especially we've got three different witnesses who don't even know each other pointing at the same picture and saying, and one of them even telling you the guy's name.

01:02:51.000 That was the barmaid in Oklahoma City that saw McVeigh and Husseini together and knew them both by name.

01:02:57.000 Uh, and she didn't, she wasn't even called to testify at the trial.

01:03:00.000 Uh, so, you know, when you take an investigation like that and you're sitting there as a police officer and you're saying, hey, we got bad guys, let's go pick them up.

01:03:06.000 And they're going, we can't because the Clinton White House and Janet Reno says there is no Middle Eastern connection.

01:03:12.000 And the deal was, they just had a block put on that whole end of the investigation.

01:03:17.000 And all of a sudden, the strangest thing happened on day five, is that the whole thing shifted over to the right wing, the militia, you know, who knows who, anybody on the right wing was the natural... The talk radio!

01:03:31.000 Yeah, talk radio, hate radio, and all the rest of it.

01:03:34.000 And when we get back from break, let's talk about where that came from.

01:03:38.000 Let's do that.

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01:07:01.000 It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.

01:07:04.000 8 minutes, 15 seconds into the second hour, Friday edition.

01:07:12.000 Talking to Colonel Craig Roberts.

01:07:15.000 Assembly Officer, Marine Corps Sniper, Vietnam, Colonel in the Army, Police Officer who worked for the Oklahoma City bombing case.

01:07:24.000 Craig, I want to go to calls.

01:07:26.000 And again, this story, a 10-year investigation, we could spend 10 hours just on it alone, but we know we have these Iraqis brought in by the U.S.

01:07:34.000 government, the Iraqis during the 80s who were trained here in this country in suppression of populations, in bombings, in just basic military tactics.

01:07:48.000 Bush Senior and Bill Clinton bring in between thirty five hundred and five and a half thousand.

01:07:54.000 No one's really sure.

01:07:55.000 The Washington Post and others have reported thirty five hundred, but that's just one wave of these individuals.

01:08:02.000 Then they're there at the scene, all these witnesses, police, workers, you know, everybody sees them there.

01:08:09.000 We have all these different surveillance cameras, FBI agents have set on record, yeah it showed Middle Easterners there, but We're not allowed to talk about it.

01:08:17.000 All this going on, then you have these individuals trying to leave the country.

01:08:23.000 The police stop them.

01:08:24.000 They've got wire cutters and blue jogging suits and duffel bags.

01:08:29.000 I mean, that's how arrogant they were.

01:08:32.000 Bill Clinton orders them released, not detained.

01:08:34.000 Then we have doctors who are on the scene dying mysteriously.

01:08:39.000 We have police officers who are exposing it, being tortured to death and being killed.

01:08:46.000 We have all this swirling around going on, and it's clear.

01:08:51.000 I mean, we understand and know what happened.

01:08:54.000 The building was blown out, not in.

01:08:55.000 A two-year-old can figure that out.

01:08:59.000 All the seismic records, all of it.

01:09:02.000 And it's really the test model case for what we see today with 9-11 and the rest of it and how it ties back into the first World Trade Center bombing in '93, where the FBI admittedly cooked the bomb and trained the driver and told them to go ahead with the bombing and let it take place.

01:09:19.000 All of this happening, all of this going on, and then now we have Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney up there for the anniversary.

01:09:26.000 Opposing as our saviors.

01:09:28.000 And Bill Clinton on Air Force One in 1996 said, I owed my re-election, was his quote, to Oklahoma City.

01:09:36.000 That's what got his approval ratings back up.

01:09:41.000 Craig, let's try to encapsulate from all the evidence.

01:09:44.000 If you had to go before a jury, or we made you king for a day, you could go arrest uh... the people that you believe were behind this from the mountains of evidence what would you do?

01:09:59.000 You know, there's so many different directions on this.

01:10:02.000 For one thing, we've still got Terry Nichols, and we still have him alive, and we still have his trips to the Philippines, and that whole area over there should be exploded.

01:10:11.000 I mean, it should be just wide open, and from there, we can go in several different directions.

01:10:16.000 We've got Ramsey Yosef in jail.

01:10:17.000 We've got a couple of others in jail that are his buddies that know who all the players were in this deal, and they were involved in Oklahoma City, or at least the planning of it.

01:10:24.000 And so we've got at least a dozen Iraqis that we could start out with.

01:10:28.000 We've got their boss down in Oklahoma City who we know who he is and he's still running around.

01:10:33.000 And I would turn around and I would pick up about ten of the FBI agents that were involved in this and bring them in if I was sitting in the Oval Office and have them stand in front of my desk one at a time.

01:10:44.000 And we would get to the bottom of why they lied about this, why they lied about that, why they did all of the things they did.

01:10:50.000 And you know, Alex, Excuse me.

01:10:57.000 What we saw here, and I definitely want to mention this, is how they conduct damage control.

01:11:05.000 Now, damage control has four D's.

01:11:10.000 Deny, discredit, debunk, and destroy.

01:11:14.000 And they did all four of these on a continuing basis all the way through this case.

01:11:18.000 Deny, you state that it didn't happen, or at least it didn't happen that way.

01:11:21.000 I'll give you an example.

01:11:24.000 JFK was killed by Oswald, acting alone.

01:11:28.000 So you deny what really happened.

01:11:29.000 You discredit.

01:11:31.000 You attack the messenger and the message.

01:11:33.000 Example, UFOs and Project Blue Book.

01:11:37.000 If you see a UFO, then you're crazy because you're seeing little green men from Mars and everybody laughs at you.

01:11:42.000 This was mind control that was put in the mind of the American public back in the 50s.

01:11:46.000 You debunk.

01:11:47.000 You muddy the water.

01:11:48.000 You give alternate excuses.

01:11:50.000 All you have to do is say, our investigation proved it did not happen that way.

01:11:53.000 And that's what they did with the Oklahoma City bomb.

01:11:55.000 They did, with the greatest investigation of all time, you know, 30 gazillion documents, 2,000 agents, 15 million dollars, yadda yadda yadda, and we proved that it didn't happen the way that Jannie Davis said it did.

01:12:07.000 Okay?

01:12:07.000 They didn't prove anything.

01:12:08.000 They haven't showed us anything. 0.82

01:12:09.000 But they say this over and over, and most brain-dead people out here go along with it.

01:12:14.000 Last thing is, they destroy. 0.79

01:12:16.000 Eliminate the messenger, eliminate the witnesses, and eliminate the evidence.

01:12:19.000 If you can't intimidate them, if you can't debunk them, discredit them, or deny what they say, then you destroy them. 1.00

01:12:24.000 You kill them. 0.99

01:12:25.000 They did that to Terry Yeakey, Don Chumley, and a whole string of others. 0.96

01:12:29.000 So that's what happened in the Oklahoma City case.

01:12:31.000 Now, when you catch him doing this, if I were king for a day, I'd be bringing these people in and say, okay, we know you said this.

01:12:37.000 We know it didn't happen.

01:12:38.000 Who ordered you to lie?

01:12:39.000 And I'd start going up the chain of command from there and start making arrests.

01:12:45.000 Let's try to encapsulate this and then go to some calls because I think the murder of these doctors and police officers and others are very important.

01:12:54.000 First off, let's tell people who one of the doctors is, tell them about Terrence Yakey, and then let's tell those stories.

01:13:01.000 Okay, let's go Yakey first. 0.97

01:13:03.000 Yakey was a police officer that was one of the first ones, if not the first one, in the building.

01:13:07.000 Behind him was Don Browning.

01:13:08.000 They both saw things.

01:13:10.000 Browning was a canine officer.

01:13:11.000 He took his dog to the rear of the building and explored the real pit that went down two sub floors and the cut.

01:13:16.000 Yakey was going around pulling people out.

01:13:18.000 I think he saw other explosives still on the columns that did not detonate.

01:13:22.000 He began asking questions.

01:13:24.000 He also knew that the ATF had foreknowledge.

01:13:26.000 He had already talked to some of them and they told him that they were told not to come to work today and he was writing all this down.

01:13:31.000 He was documenting everything and he saw something wrong in his own chain of command.

01:13:35.000 I've told him, back off.

01:13:37.000 You don't want anything to do with this.

01:13:38.000 And I've talked to several Oklahoma City officers since, and they were all told, this is a federal case, you don't talk about it, I don't care what you think, you don't report it, if you reported something, destroy the report, and so on.

01:13:49.000 Also, again, with Mr. Yakey, he'd been cop of the year.

01:13:54.000 He'd been police officer of the year and so on, and one day after he'd been harassed by his own chain of command, followed by federal agents, his apartment had been broken into, things had been taken, he had everything in a briefcase, And he called a friend, he said, I'm on my way out of town, I've got to go by the headquarters, and they're going to cue me out again, and then I'm going to go out to my mini-storage out in El Reno or Yukon, one of the towns west of Oklahoma City.

01:14:15.000 He says, and I'm going to drop my stuff off where they can't find it this time.

01:14:18.000 He says, and we'll have dinner when I get back.

01:14:20.000 Now this isn't the guy that's going to go out and commit suicide.

01:14:23.000 But he's found the next morning by the Canadian County Sheriff's Office, and he had several cuts inside each wrist.

01:14:29.000 Several cuts inside each elbow.

01:14:31.000 Both jugular veins slashed.

01:14:33.000 He'd been beaten up.

01:14:34.000 A rope had been put around his neck and then removed.

01:14:36.000 The marks were still there.

01:14:37.000 And he had had handcuff marks on his hands.

01:14:40.000 And he'd been drug through a field and had mud and grass on all of his wounds.

01:14:44.000 He'd put up a fight and he was shot from the top right side of his head down through his left cheek.

01:14:48.000 Now all of the autopsy stuff that I could ground up on this, the photos and everything, are on my website.

01:14:53.000 If you want to go there, folks, at riflewarrior.com.

01:14:57.000 Scroll down to Baker Street Irregulars.

01:15:00.000 Click on that and it'll take you over and click on the Yakey case.

01:15:03.000 Also, my Oklahoma City report that I had to write before I retired and turned in, I was ordered to destroy.

01:15:09.000 They didn't like my 26-page report of what I really found out about Oklahoma City, so I put it on the website, too.

01:15:15.000 So if you scroll down to Oklahoma City... Isn't that illegal to order people to destroy official reports?

01:15:21.000 That's the way I looked at it.

01:15:23.000 You know, once written, it's mine.

01:15:25.000 Okay, Chief, you can have your copy.

01:15:27.000 You tear it up if you want, but mine's going public.

01:15:30.000 They're not supposed to destroy police reports.

01:15:32.000 Well, they're not, but he wasn't, I don't think he was gonna, he ordered me to do away with it as the guy that wrote it.

01:15:39.000 He wanted to reject it, and I just wouldn't do that, and so I ended up putting it in my book, The Medusa File, and it's also on my website.

01:15:46.000 If you want to go over there, just scroll down to the Oklahoma City Report, click on that, and you can read the whole thing.

01:15:50.000 So they're ordering you to destroy it, too.

01:15:53.000 But, I mean, Terrence Yankee was a happy man, family man, cop of the year.

01:15:59.000 He'd been exposing all this.

01:16:00.000 He wouldn't shut up.

01:16:01.000 Clearly tortured.

01:16:03.000 And then they go, oh no, he committed suicide. 0.86

01:16:06.000 I mean it's like Arkansas where you shoot yourself twice in the back of the head.

01:16:10.000 I had dinner with his mother and his sister two nights ago.

01:16:16.000 And down in Oklahoma City.

01:16:17.000 And I talked to him about this and I said, let me make sure that I'm getting some of this correct.

01:16:21.000 I said, there was no gun when he was found.

01:16:24.000 Is that correct?

01:16:25.000 He said, that's correct.

01:16:26.000 The gun was found after the FBI flew in in a helicopter.

01:16:29.000 Is that right?

01:16:30.000 He said, that's correct.

01:16:31.000 I said, was it his gun?

01:16:32.000 He said, no, it wasn't his gun.

01:16:33.000 Because the report says that he shot himself with his own service pistol.

01:16:37.000 Turns out his mother had his service pistol and turned it into one of the detectives afterwards.

01:16:43.000 Uh, and along with a personal gun that they never got back.

01:16:47.000 So she verified that, you know, how can you shoot yourself through the head if you don't have a gun there?

01:16:52.000 Number one.

01:16:52.000 Number two, if you'll go to my website and look at those drawings, you'll see that on the gunshot, it shows a contact wound of a barrel imprint, but no powder burns.

01:17:02.000 Now the only, and it's a small caliber, like a .32, goes from the top right of the skull down to the left cheek.

01:17:07.000 So they haven't been shooting from four or five feet away?

01:17:10.000 No.

01:17:10.000 There's a contact wound with no powder burns.

01:17:12.000 That means it was a silencer.

01:17:14.000 Oh.

01:17:15.000 And it was a .32 or a .25, which is what they use for assassinations.

01:17:19.000 Because it bounces around and doesn't leave rifling?

01:17:22.000 Well, no, it doesn't.

01:17:24.000 The flame and the powder that normally would blow the skid away when it exits a muzzle on a contact wound is absorbed inside the silencer instead.

01:17:32.000 So you've got a clean hole.

01:17:33.000 And they also, by the way, I found out they had taken the entire... His car was parked in a road nearby and there's just very little blood in it.

01:17:41.000 But they took the entire interior out of the car and put it back in.

01:17:45.000 They were looking for that briefcase or looking for something.

01:17:48.000 They also found a knife that had his blood on it, but it was stashed up under the dashboard on top of the heater.

01:17:56.000 Now, if you're going to slash your own wrist, you're not going to worry about hiding the knife that you did it with.

01:18:01.000 So they got that, evidently.

01:18:02.000 Did they have 13 knife wounds?

01:18:04.000 Yeah, there's either 11 or 12 or 13 right in there.

01:18:12.000 You can go actually count them on my website.

01:18:14.000 Yeah, I think I've read the report.

01:18:15.000 It's 13.

01:18:17.000 Yeah, I actually show the drawings that show each of the wounds on my website so you can actually see what happened.

01:18:23.000 Well, I mean, you've said in the past it was pretty clear he was tortured.

01:18:26.000 He was tortured, beaten up, and evidently put down on his knees, and then the guy standing over him shot him down through his head.

01:18:32.000 Boy, these are really nice people.

01:18:34.000 We'll do Tom Chumlee after break.

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01:23:11.000 Then we're going to get into Waco.

01:23:12.000 Colonel Roberts, he's also studied and written about that.

01:23:14.000 We're going to get into the first World Trade Center bombing, 9-11, the police state control grid, and a lot more.

01:23:20.000 But Craig, please continue with some of the other people that were clearly murdered because of what they were doing.

01:23:26.000 Well, one of the other interesting cases is Dr. Don Chumley, who was at the scene on day one and patched up a lot of people.

01:23:32.000 He was friends with Yakey, right?

01:23:34.000 Well, he knew Yakey, and his main, I think, sticking point to the dark side forces was that one of the ATF agents came up and said, I want you to bandage me up, because I fell in an elevator or something like that.

01:23:50.000 And he said, well, I don't see anything wrong with you.

01:23:51.000 He said, didn't make a difference.

01:23:53.000 Bandage me up and go along with the story.

01:23:56.000 And he wouldn't do it.

01:23:58.000 So, later on they came and they threatened him that, you know, you need to back me up on this, that we got hurt when the elevator fell.

01:24:04.000 And he said, you're not hurt.

01:24:05.000 There's nothing wrong with you.

01:24:06.000 Obviously, we already know that the elevator didn't fall anyway, according to the elevator people.

01:24:12.000 Because they had a problem.

01:24:13.000 No one, the ATF wasn't in the building.

01:24:15.000 They ran up in their bomb gear, seconds after, and the firefighters, on their own record, said, what are you doing here?

01:24:20.000 And they said, we've got a warning not to come in.

01:24:22.000 Right.

01:24:23.000 And several other people talked to ATF agents who heard the same thing.

01:24:26.000 Then, of course, the next day, the story changed.

01:24:30.000 Chumlee, a few months later, I think it was the following November, was on a hunting trip with some friends of his.

01:24:35.000 He was a 250-something hour pilot.

01:24:38.000 He had an instrument rating.

01:24:39.000 He had his own Cessna 210 Centurion.

01:24:42.000 And he had, I think, four people on board, including himself.

01:24:45.000 And they were coming back from New Mexico on a hunting trip.

01:24:48.000 And then the plane, all of a sudden, fell straight down out of the sky and impacted in a cabbage field near Shamrock, Texas.

01:24:56.000 I was, of course, with the Air Support Unit of the Police Department then, so I had a lot of contacts inside the FAA.

01:25:01.000 I called the FAA investigator down there to find out what happened.

01:25:06.000 Officially, he said the report will show that it's under investigation and there is probably going to be pilot error, possibly a heart attack or something like that.

01:25:16.000 Later, I find out unofficially That, number one, the airplane, there's no way, and I've worked a lot of crashes, there's no way that an airplane is going to fall straight down out of the sky.

01:25:26.000 That doesn't happen unless you lose the wings.

01:25:28.000 And still, you've got a parabolic curve because you're going forward, you know, 12,000 feet or something like that at 160 miles an hour.

01:25:35.000 Even if you pull the wings off, the airplane is an artillery shell.

01:25:38.000 It's still going to have a curve to it.

01:25:39.000 But it fell down directly below.

01:25:41.000 It spun in directly.

01:25:43.000 And that's the only way you can come straight down and spin in, stall it out and spin in, or nosedive it.

01:25:48.000 From whatever cruising altitude it was on radar, from where they lost it on radar to where it impacted was within an eighth of a mile.

01:25:56.000 So it basically came straight down.

01:25:58.000 It killed everybody on board and later they could find nothing mechanically wrong with any component on the airplane.

01:26:04.000 So they started doing the checks and found out that at first they said it was a weather problem, it flew into bad weather.

01:26:10.000 Well the weather was fine that day and even if he had, he was an instrument rated pilot, Another government report was that he was a low-time pilot that was just barely above a student and didn't know what he was doing.

01:26:21.000 He was a commercial pilot.

01:26:22.000 He had over 250 hours.

01:26:25.000 And he had no problem at all flying this airplane.

01:26:28.000 It had been well checked out and it had a lot of time in it.

01:26:31.000 It sounds like wellstone.

01:26:32.000 They say it's bad weather, but it wasn't.

01:26:34.000 And then the plane just basically plunges straight down and blows up.

01:26:39.000 Right.

01:26:41.000 What it appears happened was something was on that airplane.

01:26:44.000 This is the only thing that I can think of.

01:26:45.000 It's my theory that there was something on that airplane that, after the last refueling stop, they climbed to altitude, they talked to a center, they said they got their new course heading and altitude, then that was the last conversation they had with them.

01:26:59.000 I imagine there was something on the airplane that erupted with a poison gas or something that incapacitated everybody on the airplane because no one tried to take any corrective action when the airplane started spinning down.

01:27:10.000 It came straight down and there was nothing wrong with the flight controls.

01:27:14.000 The engine was running.

01:27:16.000 So something happened to the passengers to where they couldn't fly the airplane.

01:27:19.000 And according to what I heard, it looked like they were all dead before they hit.

01:27:26.000 Which would add more credence to that.

01:27:28.000 So that's the Chumlee accident.

01:27:31.000 uh... there was a u.s.

01:27:32.000 attorney and i don't remember his name off hand but he was trying to be a good guy to get to the bottom of this and he was objecting to the way the government uh... justice department handling it and he was found uh... on the steps of the church uh... had blown his head off uh... not not too long afterwards so you know that uh... these typical clinton-esque suicides that keep mounting up like ron brown and vince foster all over the place uh... you know the the air force colonel into the autopsy said he'd been shot in the head Right.

01:28:02.000 And, uh, you know, I mean, if you just look at the Clinton deaths alone, you had over 50-something of those guys.

01:28:07.000 So, you're going all the way back to the boys on the tracks at MENA.

01:28:10.000 Well, it's higher than that.

01:28:12.000 I mean, we had James McDougal that was in the newspaper that a helicopter landed, government agents go in and see him, and he dies.

01:28:19.000 Yep.

01:28:19.000 I mean, this is just over and over and over again.

01:28:22.000 And then right after Oklahoma City, two things happen.

01:28:24.000 Clinton gets re-elected, and they pass the ominous Crime Control Act of 1996, which half-destroys the Constitution.

01:28:32.000 Amazing.

01:28:33.000 There's a bunch of other deaths, too, folks.

01:28:34.000 We're gonna come back and take some calls from Mark, Scott, Brock, George, Danny, and others, and we'll get into some other key issues.

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01:32:34.000 Craig, before we go to these loaded phone lines and then later get into Waco and 9-11 and the first World Trade Center bombing and then things like Operation Northwoods and Operation Gladio and the admitted U.S.

01:32:47.000 government plans to carry out terrorist attacks to be blamed on enemies or for domestic control, tell folks how they can get some of your great books and materials and believe me folks, they are excellent.

01:32:59.000 Well, you know, the New York City books that I did, including the new one that's a follow-up to One Shot One Kill... By that you mean the big establishment mainstream books?

01:33:08.000 Right, the ones that I managed to sneak a few books through occasionally was Crosshairs on the Kill Zone.

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01:33:28.000 In fact, I gave one to Congressman Bob Barr when he was here.

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01:33:36.000 I think he was overwhelmed.

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01:33:41.000 But The Medusa File is there on my website at riflewarrior.com.

01:33:47.000 And as is Killzone, a sniper looks at Dele Plasma.

01:33:51.000 Now if you get both of those books, you've got the book that my agent could not sell in New York City a few years back because none of the publishing houses would touch it because of the information that was in there.

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01:34:07.000 So that book had to be published through Consolidated Press, which is not a New York City publisher.

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01:34:56.000 You can print it out, read it, whatever you want to do.

01:34:59.000 We're doing the same thing with some other books that I wrote on there.

01:35:02.000 We're putting them in PDF format so that we can get the information out to people.

01:35:06.000 I'm not here to make any money.

01:35:07.000 I'm here to educate and enlighten and try to build forces against evil, just like you are.

01:35:13.000 That's why we put them up on the website.

01:35:15.000 So, RifleWarrior.com.

01:35:17.000 Tell us about all the books, which ones are in print, which ones aren't in print, and how to get them.

01:35:21.000 That's great, Colonel.

01:35:23.000 Let's take some calls.

01:35:24.000 Mark in Nevada.

01:35:26.000 Mark, you're on the air.

01:35:27.000 Go ahead.

01:35:29.000 Uh, hey, Semper Fi, uh, Craig Roberts.

01:35:32.000 Semper Fi, bro.

01:35:33.000 That was, uh, 0-3-11 with 3-5.

01:35:34.000 Alright, I was with 1-5 at one time.

01:35:36.000 Raw, the 5th Marines get to wear the French forgé.

01:35:39.000 Right, you got it, green rope.

01:35:41.000 Yep, uh, anyway, I just wanted to share, this is, uh, somewhat, uh, unrelated.

01:35:46.000 I've been on hold for a while.

01:35:48.000 I just wanted to share, uh, news story, news article today.

01:35:50.000 Talk about Howard Dean, uh, neocon Howard Dean.

01:35:54.000 Uh, he was, uh, giving a speech in Minnesota.

01:35:57.000 And he says, quote, now that we're there, in reference to Iraq, we're there and we can't get out.

01:36:03.000 Said if we leave Iraq, you know, Qaeda is going to take Iraq over, basically saying leave the troops in Iraq, don't bring them home, so. 0.86

01:36:11.000 Let me inject something here, Alex.

01:36:13.000 This is important.

01:36:13.000 You brought up a good point, because I want to take it a few steps further.

01:36:16.000 Let's look at what's really happening here.

01:36:20.000 Lyndon Johnson's job was to turn the American people against the military and against war and all of this nonsense.

01:36:26.000 This is about depleting the military and then building the EU as the good cops after we're done taking over oil supplies for them.

01:36:34.000 Well, it goes further than that.

01:36:35.000 Let's look at the progression of events because it all fits together.

01:36:38.000 Nixon was to open the door to China and make them friends and then get us out of Vietnam. 0.97

01:36:42.000 And then Carter was to give away the Panama Canal knowing that it would go to the Chinese. 0.98

01:36:48.000 And then Reagan, you know, we had George Bush Sr.

01:36:52.000 under him that got all the drug running going real good through MENA and all the rest of it out of Columbia.

01:36:58.000 Plus, his deal when he became president was to expend our weaponry and Gulf War run.

01:37:06.000 Get rid of all the cruise missiles, you know, use the tomahawks up, use up all of our assets and then disband the military as much as possible.

01:37:12.000 So Carlisle Group could buy it for nothing.

01:37:14.000 Right.

01:37:16.000 And then, of course, we have Clinton comes along.

01:37:18.000 His job is to destroy what's left of the military as much as he can in closed bases, which he reduced the numbers of planes and fighter squadrons.

01:37:24.000 He put the ships in mothballs, reduced the number of ships.

01:37:27.000 Took the launch codes off the submarines.

01:37:29.000 Signed Presidential Decision Directive 60 saying we'll absorb nuclear strikes.

01:37:29.000 Right.

01:37:34.000 Right.

01:37:34.000 The whole bit.

01:37:35.000 And then what's left of the military Bush Jr. comes along, boom, they're in Afghanistan.

01:37:42.000 And then the next job is to deplete the reserves and National Guard.

01:37:47.000 Also Clinton was supposed to destroy the military's morale and did do that. 0.67

01:37:52.000 Ran off the best leaders.

01:37:53.000 A lot of people retired and just quit and left.

01:37:56.000 And now they're using people for two, three terms, lying to them, doing all of this.

01:38:00.000 Boy, I mean, they couldn't be doing a better job of destroying the military.

01:38:03.000 Well, we've got up to the point now where we've depleted the National Guard and Reserves.

01:38:07.000 There's no one home to watch the chickens.

01:38:09.000 We have no one guarding the southwestern border.

01:38:12.000 Everybody's overseas, burned out, or wounded.

01:38:15.000 And go over this.

01:38:16.000 You've had family in these public meetings.

01:38:20.000 It's also been in the news where they say we're going to use foreign assets if we're attacked while our troops are overseas.

01:38:26.000 That is the whole thing.

01:38:27.000 They were told ten years ago at the Cascade Course in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas by General Barry McCaffrey That should we be deployed to the point, with the build-out of the forces being what they are, should we be deployed at two fronts overseas where we've got Afghanistan and we've got Iran right now, we've also got Korea and we could have China if they invade Taiwan.

01:38:45.000 That's four.

01:38:47.000 If we have that happen, we will not be able to patrol our own streets and we'll be forced to call upon foreign assets.

01:38:54.000 And UN General McKenzie said that on Nightline three years ago.

01:38:57.000 And they've been training Soviet bloc troops at Fort Polk for years now under Operation Cooperative Nugget.

01:39:04.000 Nugget to do just that, not patrol Russia, not patrol Bosnia, patrol the United States.

01:39:09.000 And by the way folks, I have the video of this in my police state films.

01:39:13.000 Mark, thanks for the call.

01:39:14.000 For people that don't get this and don't believe this and don't understand this, Let me just break it down for you.

01:39:20.000 They're doing drills all over the country at public schools where simulated homeschoolers' parents attack and kill everybody.

01:39:29.000 They're doing drills for gun confiscation.

01:39:32.000 The defense forces of the states, I have their training manuals, are training to confiscate guns.

01:39:37.000 All of this is really going on.

01:39:39.000 This is not a joke.

01:39:42.000 Craig, how would you see this unfold?

01:39:43.000 Because we know the New World Order, we know China's economy is about to be bigger than ours, we know they're putting all their infrastructure in over there, they're the new model country, they're de-industrializing this nation, and then they're using America, the fumes in the gas tank, to empower this New World Order, then we'll take the blame for it. 0.96

01:40:04.000 I mean, how do you see this unfolding?

01:40:06.000 Well, you know, as a battlefield intel type, I've been watching it unfold, and you've got Costco, and you've got Hudson-Wampoa, which is basically the merchant marine for the Chinese Army, has set up the biggest forward-deployed resupply station in Freeport and the Bahamas, 90 miles off our shore.

01:40:26.000 That's not a threat!

01:40:27.000 Iran's the threat! 1.00

01:40:29.000 Yeah, right.

01:40:30.000 And anyway, if you go to look up Hutchinson-Wampoa, if you go to look up Cosco or Freeport-Bahamas, and you'll see the biggest ocean shipping point and cranes in the world down there with all these boxes already sitting there sealed, ready to go.

01:40:43.000 We don't know what's in them.

01:40:44.000 We've had them try to smuggle Connex boxes and sea lift containers into several ports around the United States.

01:40:50.000 AK-47s.

01:40:51.000 They got the whole enchilada.

01:40:51.000 Bombs, everything.

01:40:52.000 Rocket launchers.

01:40:53.000 And we've got them controlling the Panama Canal.

01:40:56.000 You know, I don't think so.

01:40:56.000 Is that a coincidence?

01:40:58.000 And you've got Chinese troops landing in Mexico all the time.

01:41:01.000 They're providing the Mexican Army with tanks and missiles and weaponry.

01:41:06.000 And of course, it's not going to the Mexican Army.

01:41:08.000 It's being staged south of the border.

01:41:10.000 The southern border is wide open.

01:41:13.000 We are totally surrounded.

01:41:14.000 We have no one left here to watch the chickens.

01:41:17.000 And the only thing... No one has been ordered to stand down, even if they're tracking a thousand inbound missiles.

01:41:22.000 Well, the only thing that we have going for us right now is the Second Amendment and people who believe it.

01:41:28.000 The only thing... We have the biggest armed citizenry in the world, and this scares the heck out of them because, you know, you can't fight a guerrilla army with a conventional army.

01:41:38.000 Hitler found it out.

01:41:39.000 Stalin found it out.

01:41:40.000 We found it out in Vietnam.

01:41:43.000 You just can't do it.

01:41:43.000 You have to fight an unconventional army.

01:41:45.000 When you've got a population base like the United States, armed as well as we are, Even though most of us are pretty on in years with gray hair right now, but we've got a lot of people with combat experience around.

01:41:56.000 This scares these guys.

01:41:57.000 So their deal is legislate the guns away one type at a time, legislate the ammunition away one type at a time.

01:42:03.000 Put in these camera control grids designed by the Pentagon everywhere.

01:42:07.000 Set up the checkpoints.

01:42:09.000 Get everything tracked and traced.

01:42:10.000 Get people off the land.

01:42:12.000 Build trans-corridor highways that lock out all the rural areas.

01:42:16.000 Subdivide the populations.

01:42:19.000 I mean, it's unbelievable, but when you look at all the puzzle pieces, they really are setting this up.

01:42:25.000 Let's take another call.

01:42:26.000 Scott in Texas.

01:42:27.000 Go ahead, Scott.

01:42:28.000 Hey, Alex, Craig.

01:42:29.000 First of all, I want to tell you guys how much I respect and admire you guys for what you do.

01:42:32.000 I'm really grateful that you're there.

01:42:35.000 I've had something that's bothered me for years that happened within my family, and it had to do with the Oklahoma City bombing.

01:42:42.000 About nine months before the bombing took place, I have a really close relative that I was heavily involved in the National Militia groups and was for years and he sent a letter to me and to several other family members and that stated that the National Militia was going to show a show of force on this specific date, about nine months from the letter that was sent out.

01:43:07.000 And I didn't think much of it at the time, but the date that he stated in the letter was the exact date of the Oklahoma City bombing.

01:43:16.000 And it really surprised me.

01:43:18.000 When this happened, we tried to present this to some news media, but no one would listen to it at all.

01:43:23.000 Well, you've got to understand that McVeigh was a sheep-dipped government operative. 0.63

01:43:28.000 He was traveling around to literally hundreds of meetings, creating a ledger, creating a story to then blame the militia and go all the way with it, and then to tie that in with white supremacists and even try to tie it in with Arabs.

01:43:42.000 But for some reason, I guess because there were so many witnesses that saw these Arabs with McVeigh, knew it was a government ob, they didn't go with the full story.

01:43:49.000 Craig, comments?

01:43:50.000 Yeah, you know, there's a new development along that line.

01:43:53.000 All of that stuff that McVeigh did and all of this malicious stuff was a total diversion.

01:43:58.000 It was created out of whole cloth.

01:43:59.000 We never could make any connections with anybody that stuck anywhere, including the LLM City Bunch. 0.92

01:44:04.000 That was a total dead end.

01:44:05.000 The Northwest Bank Robber, That really didn't go any place.

01:44:10.000 Jesse Trinidad and I managed to take three FBI memos here just last month.

01:44:17.000 The three memos were all the same memo, but they had come from three different offices.

01:44:22.000 These three different offices had redacted parts where they had blacked out some of the words, but they didn't do the same words.

01:44:28.000 So we were able to put the three memos together and we came up with this one.

01:44:31.000 I just want to read two paragraphs of it.

01:44:35.000 This goes along to explain a lot because why did the media switch from Arabs on day one to the right wing on day five and stay there when we had nothing going that direction?

01:44:46.000 And then we found out... For those who don't know, Trinidad is a lawyer out of Utah.

01:44:50.000 His brother was tortured to death by the government.

01:44:52.000 Right, and he's been suing them ever since and doing FOIAs and getting these different documents, and we've been going over them.

01:44:57.000 But he's... I checked with my contacts in the media, and they said they were getting all this right-wing, did-it information from two places.

01:45:04.000 That was the Southern Poverty Law Center with Morris Dees... ADL.

01:45:07.000 ...and the ADL with Foxman.

01:45:10.000 They had a defamation league of the benign brief, which makes no sense whatsoever, because they should have been... Yeah, Arabs, we told you so. 1.00

01:45:15.000 But they didn't do that.

01:45:16.000 This says, Oak Bomb Memorandum.

01:45:18.000 This is an FBI memo.

01:45:19.000 It says, information has also been received through the Southern Poverty Law Center, SPLC, that one Andrus Strassmeyer, a.k.a. Andy the German, evidently received a telephone call from Timothy McVeigh on or about 417.95, two days prior to the Oak Bomb attack, when Strassmeyer, per a source of the SPLC, was in the white when Strassmeyer, per a source of the SPLC, was in the white supremacist's compound at Elohim Strassmeyer allegedly has had a lengthy relationship with Timothy McVeigh, one of two indicted Oak Bomb defendants.

01:45:48.000 The source of the SPLC advised that Strassmeyer is currently residing with Kirk Lyons in Black Mountain, North Carolina.

01:45:54.000 Now, Kirk Lyons is the lawyer for the KKK and the White Area Resistance and all that.

01:45:58.000 He was the one that defended the Waco survivors, and they only ended up getting 40 years apiece.

01:46:04.000 I mean, he's the total opposite of Morris Dees, and now you've got Strassmeyer informing to the Southern Poverty Law Center, but he's hiding out in Kirk Lyons' office, and Kirk Lyons smuggles him out of Mexico.

01:46:14.000 Which it says here, it says, and plans to leave, now get this, plans to leave the US via Mexico in the near future.

01:46:21.000 The source further advised that he or she has learned that Strassmire is fleeing the US for an unknown reason.

01:46:26.000 Prior Oak Bomb investigation determined that McVeigh had placed a telephone call to LOM City on 4-5-95 a day that he was believed to have been attempting to recruit a second conspirator to assist in the attack.

01:46:36.000 The Oak Bomb command post has attempted to verify the version of events set forth by the source and to develop further information.

01:46:41.000 Now, what this means is it appears by this memo that the Southern Poverty Law Center knew what was going to happen in advance.

01:46:48.000 They had foreknowledge, and they even told the FBI about it and didn't do anything about it.

01:46:52.000 Now, if this is true, this would explain a lot because they're going to want to water the investigation down so they don't get discovered as having people inside of LOM City. - Thank you.

01:47:03.000 This thing gets to be a real hairball at it, Alex, when you start connecting who knows who and who doesn't know who.

01:47:08.000 It's a classic intelligence operation.

01:47:10.000 Oh yeah, but here we got Strassmeier in an FBI memo who's getting ready to escape to Mexico and no one stops him.

01:47:16.000 No one picks him up.

01:47:17.000 One more point, Alex, is after this happened, I talked to my cousin And he was infuriated about the events that took place because he said that what he had been involved in was that the militia had nothing to do with the actual events that took place, or the entire bombing, the way that it took place.

01:47:42.000 Alright, well thank you for the call.

01:47:43.000 Yeah, we could never make any connection to any militia, period.

01:47:47.000 Let's talk to Barack in British Columbia.

01:47:49.000 Go ahead, Barack.

01:47:51.000 Hi, I was wondering if some of the same players that were involved in Oklahoma City were also setting up Waco and the World Trade Center, some of the same people that the government hired out, like the Iraqis. 0.97

01:48:06.000 Is there a common thread?

01:48:08.000 Could they use the same duds?

01:48:11.000 Well there is, in the sense that these Iraqi POWs that we had, still had their ties back to the Middle East and to the Philippines, and some of the Middle Easterners that went through flight school here and did all this stuff, they were tied in Well, there's incredible connections.

01:48:28.000 They admit Nick Berg is at that military training base, and the guy that supposedly got his head sawed off, he's at a flight training base with some of the hijackers, loaning them his laptop and his code, and then the FBI picks him up with his cell phone company, holds him for 13 days in Iraq, and releases him directly into, quote, Al-Qaeda hands, who then saw his head off.

01:48:52.000 I mean, it makes... Greg?

01:48:54.000 It's a small world, isn't it?

01:48:55.000 The very small world.

01:48:57.000 I mean, when we did the Oklahoma City bombing case, we kept running into the same people over and over and over again at different places, in the same groups, in the same money, in the same power structures, and you couldn't get the FBI to go talk to any of them.

01:49:09.000 You know, their deal was McVeigh did it, Nichols is involved, case closed.

01:49:14.000 Well, if the case is closed, show us the films.

01:49:18.000 Meanwhile, you have hit teams pulling cops over and killing them, and FBI helicopters landing and planting guns.

01:49:26.000 Well, when we get back, I'll tell you what they did to me.

01:49:30.000 All right.

01:49:31.000 Barack, thanks for the call.

01:49:33.000 George and Davey and others will get your calls as well.

01:49:37.000 Craig's going to be with us for the entire next hour.

01:49:40.000 I do want to get into some of the other issues too, especially this little article in front of me.

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01:53:01.000 Yesterday we blitzed through in one segment about 15 calls.

01:53:05.000 Well, I'm going to do that Or much of the next hour, and then we'll just do little info bombs where we cover, you know, key little subjects in news articles here that I want to get comments from Colonel Roberts on, who I really respect for his great investigative skills.

01:53:20.000 Before we go back to Craig and let him talk about the stuff he's been through, and believe me, I've ridden in a car with this guy for about six, seven hours before when we were riding back from Kansas City.

01:53:32.000 In Oklahoma, when I got back in the car with my friends that were following us, and I drove on back to Texas, and to hear all the stuff he went through trying to investigate this, it is legion what happened, or encyclopedic.

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01:55:54.000 Craig, just again in kind of a thumbnail sketch, some of the stuff you went through trying to investigate all this.

01:56:05.000 I think when I started generating memos that were contradictory to the official line, the official truth, and I started talking to people without reporting on who I was talking to at the time, trying to maintain their anonymity, I noticed that I started getting some problems with my telephone at the police department.

01:56:26.000 So I got my gear out and checked it, and it was tapped.

01:56:29.000 Uh, then I found out that there was a bug in the office.

01:56:31.000 We found it up in the air conditioning vent.

01:56:34.000 Uh, did that when we did a bug sweep.

01:56:36.000 Uh, then my, both my phones at home were tapped, including my fax machine.

01:56:39.000 My faxes were intercepted.

01:56:41.000 My emails were intercepted.

01:56:42.000 And we did a trace route on where the emails were going.

01:56:44.000 They ended up going through Langley, Virginia, then coming back.

01:56:48.000 Before they got to me because I had people I call them on the phone lines They send me an email right now, and they would send it it wouldn't get there for five minutes or more sometimes the next day It was like they were being censored Then we had dead animals on the on the front porch we had dead birds put in the mailbox my mail was opened consistently and

01:57:11.000 Uh, before it ever arrived at the mailbox, I had my house surveilled, um, I had, uh, I'd been followed, uh, by unmarked cars, which I turned around and followed them, which is great fun.

01:57:20.000 Um, and a lot of these guys, you know, they're not as professional as we are.

01:57:24.000 You've got guys that are federal agents that have only been so for four or five years, and they go up against a 25-year cop, and they can't figure out how to come down to cops on your tail.

01:57:31.000 So, we had all of these things happening and more, and I actually... Stay there, Will.

01:57:36.000 I want to hear some more of this when we get back, and we'll go to your calls.

01:57:40.000 Third hour coming up.

01:57:41.000 Hello.

01:57:44.000 Big brother.

01:57:51.000 Mainstream media.

01:57:53.000 Government cover-ups.

01:57:55.000 You want answers?

01:57:56.000 Well, so does he.

01:57:58.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

01:58:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:58:06.000 All right, now, 30 seconds into this final hour.

01:58:19.000 It is Friday, the 42nd day of April 2005.

01:58:26.000 Colonel Craig Roberts has been riding shotgun with us since the middle of the first hour.

01:58:31.000 And we're going to literally blitz through your calls in the shower and cover a bunch of other key news items.

01:58:37.000 We just passed the Waco and Oklahoma City anniversaries, also the anniversary of 1775 there at Concord in Lexington.

01:58:46.000 And of course our government doesn't celebrate that day as a day of standing up against tyranny.

01:58:52.000 No, the government celebrates it by murdering people and blowing things up.

01:58:56.000 Uh, and moving forward with their tyranny. 0.97

01:58:58.000 We're talking to Colonel Roberts, who was a police officer, also colonel in the Army, Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam, worked the Oklahoma City case.

01:59:05.000 He was talking about some of the harassment he went through, uh, going up against the official and fraudulent story.

01:59:13.000 The dead animals at the front porch, the dead birds in the mailbox.

01:59:16.000 I had that happen a few times.

01:59:18.000 It's standard operating procedure.

01:59:21.000 But I guess you fared better than some of the other cops that were murdered and tortured who were investigating all of this.

01:59:28.000 What would they do, Colonel, when they'd be following you and you'd swing around and get behind them?

01:59:33.000 Well, it's an easy procedure.

01:59:35.000 I had been trained when I was with the tactical unit in Tulsa on how to do different types of tails and how to get rid of tails.

01:59:45.000 So it was a simple matter of, if you ever think you've got this problem, what you do is you turn down the street, you know, turn to the right, go down into a residential area, then turn left and pull in a driveway and see if they drive past.

01:59:58.000 If they drive past, you pull in behind them.

02:00:00.000 Now they've got a choice.

02:00:01.000 They can either try to get away from you, or they can stop and try to confront you. 1.00

02:00:05.000 Or they can drive someplace and park and get out and walk into the store and act stupid. 0.99

02:00:10.000 It's all great fun in the long run. 0.98

02:00:12.000 The problem is it can also be very dangerous.

02:00:14.000 If you've got somebody that you're after, and there's two or three of them in the car, and they decide to get out and pull guns, then of course you've got to be able to find reverse real quick.

02:00:21.000 How many times does this happen?

02:00:23.000 It happens consistently on almost a daily basis.

02:00:26.000 Did you ever get to confront them, or what happened?

02:00:29.000 Oh yes, about two times.

02:00:30.000 This one particular morning I got up and I looked across the street and it was cold outside.

02:00:34.000 And I could see exhaust gas coming out of the exhaust pipe of a white van that was backed into a parking place in one of the local parks right across the street from my house, looking right straight at the front porch.

02:00:45.000 So I went out the back door, over the fence, down the block, came up a creek bed, came up behind these guys, walked up and tapped on their glass.

02:00:51.000 And a guy rolled the window down.

02:00:53.000 Two white males wearing sunglasses.

02:00:54.000 Young guys.

02:00:55.000 And I said, you know, you guys don't have to sit out here in the cold.

02:00:58.000 You know, you might as well come on in the house and have coffee.

02:01:00.000 I don't have anything to hide from anybody.

02:01:01.000 Well, we're not here for anything like that.

02:01:03.000 We don't know what you're talking about.

02:01:05.000 I said, yeah, right.

02:01:06.000 And that's why you're driving a G-Car, which is a government car.

02:01:09.000 And I said, have you guys got any identification?

02:01:12.000 And he says, we don't have to show you anything.

02:01:14.000 And I pulled my badge case out and I said, yeah, I think you do.

02:01:16.000 And about that time, he rolled the window up and they drove off.

02:01:18.000 So, you know, we never saw him again.

02:01:21.000 You know, that's just one instance.

02:01:23.000 Yeah, because they could be car thieves!

02:01:25.000 Oh, they could be anything.

02:01:26.000 You know, I was getting ready to call the police and have them, you know, taken out and spread eagled and do a field interrogation on them. 0.90

02:01:32.000 But I decided to go ahead and handle it myself just to let them know that I wasn't stupid and I wasn't blind. 0.78

02:01:40.000 You said it happened another time.

02:01:42.000 Tell us about the other confrontation.

02:01:44.000 The other time was actually, it was a Tulsa County Deputy Sheriff that had been assigned to follow me.

02:01:49.000 And I found out about him, so, you know, I just did what we call a 180 split, which is where you go into a residential area, like I described, let him get, you know, he was in an unmarked white unit, and I let him get ahead of me, and then I pulled him over to my police car, and as soon as I did, of course, he's, well, I'm a deputy sheriff, and I said, what are you doing following me?

02:02:09.000 Well, I'm not following you, of course.

02:02:10.000 Then we, you know, had the typical, yeah, I think you are because this is like the fourth time I've seen your car behind me in three days.

02:02:16.000 And so, you know, they break off as soon as they get discovered.

02:02:20.000 So I went to the undersheriff, who was a friend of mine, and I said, look, tell these guys, you know, Back off and leave me alone or I'm going to get real unfriendly and they're not going to like me.

02:02:28.000 Then they took a published book you'd done and tried to claim it was a terrorist plan, correct?

02:02:34.000 Yeah, that was hell-hound.

02:02:35.000 I mean, you're a best-selling, New York Times best-selling author.

02:02:39.000 They're taking your books and... We'll talk about that and then take calls.

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02:05:51.000 Music We've been talking for the last hour and a half predominantly about the Oklahoma City bombing, clearly a government operation.

02:06:01.000 Police officers, doctors, you name it, being tortured, murdered, killed.

02:06:06.000 U.S.

02:06:06.000 attorneys that weren't going along, you name it.

02:06:08.000 And Craig Roberts, He wasn't afraid to die, he wasn't afraid to stand up against this.

02:06:13.000 He'd been a highly decorated Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam, and of course later a colonel in the Army, an intelligence, he'd been a police officer, been in the SWAT team, flown the police helicopter, been in a helicopter crash.

02:06:27.000 He's investigating this day one, first following these leads, leads back to the government, leads back to a cover-up, so they're tailing him, he's confronting the tails, all this is happening.

02:06:37.000 Then they, and we're about to go to calls, but the last point on this is to show what happened to you personally.

02:06:42.000 The last thing, I mean, one of the last things they did to you is, I mean, again, you've written New York Times bestselling books, folks.

02:06:50.000 I mean, One Shot One Kill, I mean, that was a super bestseller.

02:06:54.000 You have a published book, Hellhound.

02:06:57.000 And they tried to somehow cook it up that you're a terrorist because you were a helicopter pilot.

02:07:04.000 And in Hellhound it's a story of this deadly helicopter.

02:07:08.000 Just a fiction book.

02:07:09.000 What was that like?

02:07:10.000 Tell us that story.

02:07:11.000 That same story you told me when we were traveling back from Kansas City that time.

02:07:16.000 Some character was sitting at a Little League football game.

02:07:21.000 Drinking beer with his buddies and he overheard two guys in front of him talking about this terror strike that was going to take place.

02:07:27.000 And that this helicopter is being flown and he heard helicopter and he heard bunker buster missiles and he heard I don't know what all else and then he heard my name and that I was a police helicopter pilot in Tulsa and this guy put all these different things together and he went to the FBI and told him That this crazy named Craig Roberts that flies for the police helicopters here is putting together a strike team to take out the Sunola refinery in Tulsa.

02:07:55.000 And what they were discussing was the plot of the book that I'd written, Hellhound, where these terrorists use a sophisticated Russian helicopter and they're going to try to take out the nuclear power plant at San Onofre, California.

02:08:06.000 But this guy, you know, he put it all together totally separate.

02:08:09.000 Well, they ended up, at that time, putting more caps on my phones and following me and trying to do stuff, and they ended up... Now, they claim that's how they got on you doing this.

02:08:17.000 I don't believe that story for a minute.

02:08:19.000 It's incredible that they would waste any time at all.

02:08:22.000 All they had to do was call me on the phone and say, hey, we just heard this.

02:08:24.000 What's the deal?

02:08:25.000 But that's not the way the FBI works.

02:08:29.000 They ended up calling in the FBI HRT team and staging in them on the day that this is supposed to happen, which is Labor Day of that year, which is 1994, I think.

02:08:40.000 And they put them in the Sun Oil Refinery in Tulsa, they've got them up on towers, they've got... So this is even before Oklahoma.

02:08:46.000 This is before Oklahoma City.

02:08:47.000 Which is one of the reasons that when this thing all came out in the wash, they found out that I had a lot of contacts and capabilities that they didn't.

02:08:55.000 And that's why you ended up getting put on the case.

02:08:57.000 This is one of the reasons they pulled me in.

02:08:57.000 Right.

02:08:58.000 This shows the crazy paranoia though.

02:09:01.000 So what happened?

02:09:02.000 What were you really doing on Labor Day?

02:09:03.000 We were water skiing at the lake, and I found out about it two weeks later when the undersheriff called me and said, let's have lunch.

02:09:08.000 I've got to tell you something funny.

02:09:10.000 They had worked on me all summer long, and I had noticed some of these tales.

02:09:14.000 The phone taps and the whole bit, I just couldn't figure out what it was all about.

02:09:18.000 I thought it was because I was doing some lecturing and doing some programs at some of the churches on the New World Order and things like that, because that always makes the government real nervous when you start exposing what they're really up to.

02:09:29.000 And the bottom line was they backed off.

02:09:32.000 They wasted I don't know how much money.

02:09:33.000 I've got a big thick file on this that I ended up being able to do some good with later on.

02:09:40.000 But the bottom line is they pulled out and sent everybody home and they called this guy in and his lawyer and they said look we just spent I don't know how many millions of dollars Sun Oil Company increased their security.

02:09:51.000 They put in new lights and guards and yada yada.

02:09:54.000 And nothing happened.

02:09:55.000 What's the deal?

02:09:57.000 They finally got him to where he admitted all he did was overhear excerpts of a conversation.

02:10:03.000 And what it was, he'd overheard the plot of this book.

02:10:05.000 Well, what I did was I took a copy of the book, I addressed it to the special agent in charge, and sent it to him.

02:10:12.000 Now, Craig, one last little quick story here that you told me about, because this is really important.

02:10:17.000 This is the same thing I've seen happen.

02:10:19.000 You talk about when you go deer hunting and there's 20, you know because you're a police officer, retired now, but you know cops hang out with cops.

02:10:26.000 You go deer hunting and there's 20 guys there at the camp.

02:10:29.000 And five, six, seven years ago, they were all disagreeing with you about the New World Order and government involvement in terrorism.

02:10:35.000 And now you've seen a total, total shift with police officers and people that you talk to and people that are still on the force.

02:10:44.000 And that's the same shift that I've seen.

02:10:46.000 I mean, everybody I talk to now knows in their guts what's really going on.

02:10:51.000 Tell us about that story.

02:10:52.000 Well, actually the Special Investigations Division of our department had a file on me that they kept because I've always been a loose cannon.

02:11:01.000 I don't mind whose toes I step on or what I say.

02:11:03.000 I'm not much of a tactful individual when it comes to politics.

02:11:08.000 They had a meeting here about a year ago, and one of the guys that was there called me up and was laughing.

02:11:12.000 He said, you know, it's funny.

02:11:13.000 Ten years ago, they thought you were crazy, and now they say you were just ahead of your time.

02:11:21.000 They're all starting to see the light now.

02:11:24.000 And you've got two different breeds of officers.

02:11:26.000 You've got the older ones who are saying, hey, everything is getting weird.

02:11:29.000 The federal government's coming up with new laws that violate the Constitution.

02:11:32.000 They violate the laws.

02:11:33.000 They violate everything that we've been taught.

02:11:34.000 You know, when I went to the academy, we were taught you could not stop a car or detain anyone unless you had probable cause.

02:11:41.000 You had to have reasonable belief that they broke a law, and you had to have probable cause that something occurred to stop that particular car.

02:11:48.000 Now we have roadblocks out there that Highway Patrol puts up and checks for driver's licenses for everybody that goes through.

02:11:55.000 That's a form of arrest.

02:11:56.000 There's no probable cause there.

02:11:57.000 There's nothing that says that person doesn't have insurance or a driver's license or whatever.

02:12:01.000 But they're doing it.

02:12:02.000 What they're doing is they're mentally conditioning us to allow Big Brother to step forward and say, we can search anything we want.

02:12:09.000 You have papers.

02:12:10.000 You talked about how now you go deer hunting.

02:12:12.000 What are the guys saying to you now?

02:12:14.000 They're saying they can't believe what's going on because it's all coming down with these new homeland security laws and so on.

02:12:21.000 These different things that are popping up that are absolutely incredible.

02:12:25.000 And they're going, how did they get away with this?

02:12:27.000 You know, if we had done this 10 years ago, they'd put us in jail.

02:12:30.000 And now it's becoming the way they do things.

02:12:32.000 And it's all for national security and stuff.

02:12:34.000 They're incredulous.

02:12:35.000 And this is all over the country.

02:12:36.000 In my department, this is all over the country.

02:12:39.000 Local officers are getting worried now.

02:12:41.000 Some of the rural type officers think it's great because it gives them more power.

02:12:46.000 And you know, you've got these young white herps running around. 1.00

02:12:49.000 They love to be cross-commissioned as a federal officer or a task force officer or as a state, county, slash federal task force guy.

02:12:56.000 They think this is great.

02:12:58.000 What we're seeing now is we're seeing the militarizations of the departments in which they're becoming more military in their uniforms, they're wearing blouse boots, they're wearing Kevlar helmets, they're doing all this kind of stuff.

02:13:08.000 And you've got SWAT teams that wear ski masks.

02:13:10.000 Now, I was taught that the bad guys and the terrorists wore ski masks.

02:13:13.000 You know, we're seeing all of this happen.

02:13:15.000 And what we're going to see is we're going to see by legislation the creation of a cross-deputization where we have a national police force.

02:13:23.000 Well, that's already happening.

02:13:26.000 But they don't come out and say it yet.

02:13:28.000 One of these days we're going to see United States police on a patch and everybody's going to wear the same patch.

02:13:32.000 Let's take calls.

02:13:33.000 We're going to move quickly here because folks have been holding a while.

02:13:36.000 George in Texas, then Davey and others.

02:13:39.000 Go ahead, George.

02:13:41.000 Yes, Colonel Roberts, I just finished reading the 550 page Oklahoma City Bombing Investigative Committee report.

02:13:49.000 Final report.

02:13:50.000 In the very last part of the book, there's a statement of security guard Melvin Dennis Beale, or Bell, I don't know if you've read it.

02:14:00.000 He was a security guard, and on April 6, 1995, at approximately 1pm, I saw a Spanish

02:14:10.000 appearing male approximately 25 to 32 years of age coming into the lobby he was smoking a cigarette he was accompanied by two white females and a white male who I'm convinced was Timothy McVeigh and due to the fact the building is a non-smoking building I got up from my desk pointed to the Spanish appearing male and advised him he would have to take the cigarette out of the building he came back into the building

02:14:38.000 And he and the two females approached me and apologized for the cigarette and he began a conversation, I'll just paraphrase here, with the two white females. 0.66

02:14:48.000 He gave all this information to the FBI and after reading the rest of his statement it appears that the FBI just weren't interested in following through.

02:14:58.000 on this very important information.

02:15:00.000 This is two weeks before the bombing.

02:15:02.000 There are dozens and dozens of those reports.

02:15:05.000 And I was wondering, Colonel, have you been able to talk to the security guard?

02:15:11.000 No, not that one.

02:15:12.000 But interestingly enough, one of the points, and we didn't cover this, but I got information out of Texas that a Mexican drug lord named Juan Garcia Abrego sent two bag men, Mexicans, to Oklahoma City to help finance the bombing, to get rid of the building, to get rid of the papers in the building because to Oklahoma City to help finance the bombing, to get rid of the building, to get rid of the papers in the building because he was part of the

02:15:36.000 And then when they got to Oklahoma City, these two Mexicans showed up at one hotel dressed as Arabs, and everybody laughed about it because they thought, what are these Mexicans dressing up as Arabs? 0.89

02:15:45.000 Classic intelligence software.

02:15:48.000 They use all these go-betweens to have compartmentalization and plausible deniability.

02:15:53.000 Yeah, but that was the Mexican connection.

02:15:57.000 So I found it interesting when you said, here's the way.

02:15:58.000 We also have detonators bought out of Mexico, and the BATF practicing blowing up trucks, truck bombs in the months before in a congressionally funded study.

02:16:08.000 And And so now you're saying that the security guard had, you know, observed a Mexican coming in.

02:16:15.000 And everybody says there's no Mexicans involved.

02:16:18.000 Well, yeah, there was.

02:16:21.000 The last time you were on Alex's program, you mentioned the FBI has a file where they put all the excorporatory evidence, the stuff that doesn't fit their theory.

02:16:30.000 What was the name of that file?

02:16:32.000 Well, it's, they call it, uh, I want to say the K-Drive or something like that.

02:16:36.000 Something Drive, Alex, help me out here.

02:16:38.000 That was K-Drive.

02:16:39.000 It's the K-Drive where it's... A whole separate parallel computer system.

02:16:42.000 Yeah, it's where they put stuff that you can't access unless you know where it's at.

02:16:47.000 Well, see that whole file needs to be open to the public so we know what's really going on here because the FBI that should be helping the general public is not really helping us at all.

02:16:57.000 Yeah, that's putting it lightly.

02:16:59.000 Thanks for the call.

02:17:00.000 We'll come back and talk to Davey and Craig and Mike and many others that are patiently holding.

02:17:05.000 I'm going to move a little quicker through your calls, so be ready.

02:17:07.000 1-800-259-9231 and I do want to spend some time on Waco and the first World Trade Center attack and of course the last World Trade Center attack.

02:17:17.000 Craig, I have no doubt that we're going to see even bigger terror attacks in this country.

02:17:21.000 Oh, no, I am absolutely shocked we haven't seen a mini-nuke go off someplace.

02:17:27.000 And then, boy, we're gonna have to give all our rights up to be safe, Craig, but, oh, the border has to stay open, though.

02:17:31.000 Yeah.

02:17:32.000 Yeah, we gotta do that.

02:17:33.000 Let them come in.

02:17:34.000 But the Minutemen are evil because they're down there just calling the Border Patrol when they see illegals. 0.94

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02:21:45.000 Coming up, after we take some calls, do you want to know what your city and town is going to be like very, very soon with all these cameras?

02:21:57.000 Everything you do, scanned and tracked and traced, with the military-industrial complex actually running it?

02:22:05.000 That's coming up with an example out of Wisconsin, mainstream news, and a bunch of other issues.

02:22:10.000 But let's hurry to your calls.

02:22:11.000 I want to thank Davey from Texas for holding patiently.

02:22:14.000 Davey, go ahead, you're on the air.

02:22:16.000 Gosh, Alex, you know, the thing about holding on is you get so many things You said that you forget what you called in for.

02:22:24.000 But I wanted to ask Craig about the bombs in the building and Dr. Deagle reporting that he had examined an individual that was there that was exposed to radiation.

02:22:36.000 Specifically, how did those bombs get in there and how many were there and who might have put them in there?

02:22:43.000 Well, actually, Jane Graham, according to her deposition, saw, when she was coming to work, she worked in the building and she was coming to work.

02:22:51.000 She was a chief HUD person.

02:22:52.000 Right, and she was coming in through the underground parking and she saw Andrew Strassmeier and one or two other guys in the basement of the building there too, ahead of time, and they were putting putty on the columns and stringing wire. - They call them blocks of gray butter. - Right, and stringing wire between them.

02:23:09.000 Obviously it was C4 and dead cord.

02:23:13.000 These are shaped charges they were putting on the columns.

02:23:18.000 So we know about those.

02:23:20.000 However, what's interesting is that the huge cut that goes back into the building and then goes down two or more subfloors was an explosion back in there that was not caused by C4, and there were elements of tritium in the atmosphere.

02:23:36.000 There was more tritium Uh, it was found, uh, to be present in the area.

02:23:42.000 Then there was ammonium nitrate.

02:23:43.000 Now let's get this straight for folks.

02:23:45.000 There's pillars right up next to the supposed truck bomb that aren't even damaged.

02:23:48.000 But way back in the back of the building, there's pillars aerosolized in a giant three-floor crater.

02:23:55.000 Right.

02:23:55.000 And folks, for those that don't know about explosives, that's impossible.

02:23:59.000 A truck bomb didn't do that.

02:24:00.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

02:24:01.000 And plus, everything was blown outward from the building.

02:24:01.000 Obviously.

02:24:04.000 The glass and all was blown outward for several blocks.

02:24:08.000 But I think, and it's just a theory, but I think that if there was any type of a mini-nuclear device, some type of special atomic submunition was used in this place, like some people claim, that would explain why they wanted to tear the building down, haul it off, bury it, put a fence around it, put armed guards around it.

02:24:29.000 Otherwise, you could go up there with a Geiger counter and say, hey, gee, we got a problem here.

02:24:32.000 Two more points real quick, Craig, and so the other callers can get in.

02:24:36.000 One, if you could have a chance to talk about the death of William Colby and regarding Waco.

02:24:42.000 Y'all mentioned earlier about the ADL involvement with the FBI.

02:24:47.000 If you could kind of cover the history of the ADL and the FBI.

02:24:51.000 I'll listen off the air.

02:24:52.000 Thanks for being there, Alex.

02:24:53.000 Yeah, let's try to cover that a little bit later, but let's not forget to.

02:24:53.000 Thank you.

02:24:56.000 It's important.

02:24:57.000 Yeah, but we'd have to do a whole show just on that.

02:24:59.000 Yeah, but we should at least mention it.

02:25:01.000 Craig in Illinois.

02:25:02.000 Go ahead, Craig.

02:25:03.000 Hello, gentlemen, and thank you for fighting for my freedom.

02:25:07.000 Well, we're just trying to get you to fight for your own freedom, but thank you.

02:25:09.000 Go ahead.

02:25:10.000 Yes, sir.

02:25:12.000 My question is, being that Alexander Levin, who was murdered in a helicopter crash when he was about to become the President of Russia, admitted on national TV... Suitcase nukes.

02:25:23.000 Suitcase nukes are coming across the Mexican border, being that all the illegal drugs come across the Mexican border, being the fact that in California, 40% of the prison population are Mexican nationals.

02:25:36.000 And being that it was reported on Handy and Combs, mind you, the NeoCon network, 3,000 individuals of Mexican national origin are wanted on capital murder charges in this country.

02:25:49.000 Why are we invading Iraq and not Mexico? - You know, I asked a similar question to Bob Barr a couple of days ago when he was here.

02:25:58.000 And you know, what his feelings were and what the congressional feelings were on why the Bush White House won't seal our border.

02:26:04.000 I mean, I can understand the Clintons, but why the Bush White House?

02:26:07.000 You know, I mean, he's drawn all kinds of fire.

02:26:09.000 He's got Republican congressmen and senators all over the place screaming to do something about this, and they're getting no response whatsoever.

02:26:15.000 And he said he thought it was strictly economic and that they needed to labor across the border and they wanted the votes and everybody was fighting for the Hispanic vote and all this nonsense.

02:26:23.000 Hispanics don't want an open border! 1.00

02:26:25.000 Hispanics love America!

02:26:27.000 They love America.

02:26:28.000 They fight like crazy in our wars.

02:26:28.000 Everyone knows it.

02:26:30.000 And yet, this Mexican so-called republic, which is nothing but a fascist regime, uses us. 0.96

02:26:38.000 I can't even speak. 0.65

02:26:39.000 I gotta let you go.

02:26:41.000 Yeah, I hear you.

02:26:41.000 Thanks for the call.

02:26:42.000 I mean, it's really a scam.

02:26:44.000 Well, it's also about the drug trafficking, isn't it?

02:26:47.000 It also is about NAFTA and the whole North American continent becoming one political zone.

02:26:54.000 That's in the Canadian and Mexican papers, but the average American has no idea that's even happening.

02:26:58.000 No, it's the New World Order.

02:27:00.000 We're zone one.

02:27:01.000 And Europe is zone two.

02:27:03.000 And Asia is zone three. 0.94

02:27:04.000 And there's ten zones.

02:27:05.000 There's ten toes of the beast.

02:27:06.000 And so they're doing... The New World Order crowd is doing everything it can at the very top To reduce us to second nation status.

02:27:13.000 And they've pretty well succeeded.

02:27:15.000 Now, we've heard of first world and third world, but we haven't heard about second world.

02:27:19.000 Second world is where you redistribute the wealth, and using multiculturalism, you bring up the third world to second world status, and you destroy us and bring us down to second world status, then everybody's one big happy family. 0.95

02:27:31.000 It's Connie Elite ruling out of the source.

02:27:32.000 We'll be back with your calls.

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02:30:34.000 866-885-6625 866-885-6625 One more time, that's 866-885-6625 Call today Alright, we've really got to conserve our time here We've only got about 26 and a half minutes left and a lot of news and calls to cover.

02:31:00.000 So I'm just going to take, I don't know, maybe 7 or 8 more calls.

02:31:05.000 We're going to really have to move fast.

02:31:07.000 Toll free number to join us as soon as you hear one call or hang up.

02:31:09.000 Then I want to talk a little bit about Waco and coming terrorist attacks and what really happened at Waco just briefly with Craig Roberts.

02:31:09.000 800-259-9231.

02:31:20.000 Before I do that, I just want to, one more time, as I did at the start of the broadcast, thank everybody that came out last night.

02:31:28.000 A huge crowd of great people there at the Doubletree for Jimmy Vaughn and friends with the tunes, not tolls, fighting these criminal toll roads on existing roads.

02:31:38.000 It was a lot of fun and it was great seeing you out there.

02:31:40.000 Thanks for buying the tickets, which every dime of the proceeds goes to sue government officials.

02:31:48.000 And to fight against these toll roads.

02:31:49.000 And that was really exciting.

02:31:51.000 I also want to thank Jimmy Vaughn and everybody for getting involved to fight these toll roads because I'm going to move out of Austin if they put these suckers in.

02:32:00.000 And I'm not going to put up with it.

02:32:01.000 Of course there's nowhere to run.

02:32:02.000 It's going to go in nationwide.

02:32:03.000 But Austin's going to be one of the worst places in the country to live.

02:32:06.000 And we've got to defeat this.

02:32:08.000 So last night was great.

02:32:12.000 Let's go ahead now and go back to the calls.

02:32:17.000 And I guess up here next would be Mike in New York.

02:32:22.000 Mike, you're on the air.

02:32:23.000 Go ahead.

02:32:23.000 Hello, Alex and Craig.

02:32:25.000 A privilege to speak with you gentlemen.

02:32:27.000 First, I just have to commend you on your efforts to expose the truth and to make all the sacrifices required to get that truth to the rest of us so everybody else could get on board with what's going on with these traders in Washington.

02:32:41.000 I'm just moved by everything and I just have to say we got to pray for all the people that have died seeking the truth, the people mentioned by Craig for Oklahoma City bombing and so on.

02:32:49.000 Everybody should be praying for these poor guys for the ultimate sacrifices they have made and to pray for all you guys still doing the job for us, getting it out there, And, um, we have to remember, people, we're dealing with traitors.

02:33:02.000 These people are representatives.

02:33:04.000 They're not royalty.

02:33:05.000 They're public servants.

02:33:07.000 We're the masters.

02:33:08.000 And when a servant starts telling the master he's boss, it's time to lay the law down.

02:33:13.000 And under the Constitution, treason is punishable by death. 0.98

02:33:17.000 I think we should get into the rope manufacturing business big time, start hanging all these traitors really quick. 0.97

02:33:23.000 All right, thank you for the call. 0.80

02:33:25.000 You've got to be careful about that rhetoric, though, because that's the type of stuff they use.

02:33:29.000 They are servants.

02:33:30.000 They are building a control grid, because they know things are going to get really bad.

02:33:34.000 They're setting up a system where we're going to resist.

02:33:37.000 They've got to have that straitjacket in place before then.

02:33:40.000 Craig, any comments on what he was just saying?

02:33:42.000 Well, you know, there's so much that's going on, it's hard to keep track of a lot of it, but one thing we didn't mention, and he He kind of spurred me off into another line of thought and that is we haven't talked about the National ID Card.

02:33:56.000 And how it's coming along and the one that's going to have the biochip in it that's going to be able to identify everybody.

02:34:02.000 And there's also another area, I want to mention this before I forget about it, I made a note to myself.

02:34:06.000 We've got this bird flu and I've seen message traffic here recently on all kinds of practice exercises at county level and state level for mass inoculations because of a possible outbreak of bird flu.

02:34:21.000 And it's all just the model stateshold Emergency Powers Act gearing up.

02:34:26.000 Right, and if you can't identify who everybody is and where they're at, obviously you're going to have to have a national ID card.

02:34:31.000 Plus we've got the immigrant problem, and to solve that we have to have a national ID card. 0.95

02:34:34.000 But they actually put loopholes in there where it doesn't even affect all the illegals.

02:34:38.000 Good point.

02:34:39.000 And that bill's on the verge of passing the Senate today.

02:34:42.000 Let's go ahead now and talk to Eric in California.

02:34:45.000 Eric, go ahead.

02:34:46.000 Hey, one more thing about with the barbarism in Mexico and why we should invade and all that stuff. 0.92

02:34:50.000 I just want to say one thing is that, you know, I've met more Mexicans in the Border Patrol as Asians than I did Caucasians, Africans, and I just want to say with the other guy that was talking about how Hispanics will fight for this country, that's absolutely true because... Well, I mean the polls show that about 68% of Hispanics are against open borders.

02:35:11.000 87% of Americans are against open borders, and they try to announce that everybody's for open borders, and it's racist to be against open borders.

02:35:19.000 That's totally made up.

02:35:21.000 And I was in a program called Law Enforcement Exploring, which is the subdivision of, used to be of the Boy Scouts, where you explore a specific career.

02:35:27.000 My career was with law enforcement.

02:35:29.000 My branch of law enforcement was the Border Patrol.

02:35:31.000 I just want to say, I was like the only white guy in that post.

02:35:34.000 And there's more women than guys in that post. 1.00

02:35:36.000 It's amazing.

02:35:37.000 It's all an illusion.

02:35:40.000 No one's for the toll roads.

02:35:41.000 They're doing it.

02:35:42.000 They say we don't care.

02:35:43.000 98% of police and studies are against gun control, but still they carry out their criminal orders.

02:35:50.000 Thanks for the call.

02:35:52.000 It's incredible.

02:35:53.000 Larry in Arizona.

02:35:54.000 Larry, go ahead.

02:35:56.000 Yes.

02:35:57.000 Hey Alex, thanks for taking my call.

02:35:58.000 Craig Roberts, you know what, we're having the Mexican Army mass just south of the Arizona border here in Aco, Arizona for the past two or three weeks.

02:36:07.000 And of course Alex has exposed the fact that the Pentagon has contracted with the Mexican Army to come into the United States and enforce martial law against the American people.

02:36:17.000 That's actually The Washington Post?

02:36:20.000 No, that's part of the North American security perimeter and the deals they've signed with Mexican and Canadian troops to police all of North America.

02:36:29.000 Craig, any comments on that?

02:36:30.000 Well, that, and there's not enough of them to do it, so you're going to have to call in Chinese. 1.00

02:36:34.000 Well, yeah, I have the article in the Chinese, too, but my question to you is, could it be, and I love the Minuteman, okay?

02:36:41.000 I went down there, I talked to them, they're really great guys.

02:36:44.000 And the thing is, could that be a cover to mask the Mexican troops on the border without anybody getting excited?

02:36:51.000 I don't think so.

02:36:52.000 The Mexican troops are there over the border of Cochise County helping move the illegal aliens to outflank the Minutemen. 0.99

02:36:59.000 Yeah, 150 miles by the way.

02:37:01.000 150 miles west.

02:37:02.000 So I agree.

02:37:03.000 In other words, there's a reason for the Mexican Army to be masking from Naco all the way to the Yuma border.

02:37:10.000 Well, they're always there. 0.83

02:37:11.000 I mean, they're always there killing people.

02:37:13.000 I had a question about the event earlier this week.

02:37:15.000 for the call.

02:37:16.000 I mean, it's the real deal.

02:37:18.000 Let's talk to James.

02:37:20.000 James, where are you calling us from?

02:37:22.000 Virginia.

02:37:23.000 Welcome.

02:37:24.000 I had a question about the event earlier this week.

02:37:29.000 Mr. Roberts, Colonel Roberts mentioned Bob Barr earlier.

02:37:35.000 Is he on board with the truth thing?

02:37:37.000 Or was he talking about a side issue?

02:37:39.000 Or what was Congressman Barr doing at the event this week?

02:37:42.000 He was the keynote speaker for the banquet the night before the program and he talked about fighting against this Homeland Security Wait a minute, you guys had the 10th anniversary Oklahoma City Truth Meeting, and you're telling me that Bob Barr came to it?

02:38:02.000 Yes, he was our keynote speaker.

02:38:03.000 Well, I was invited and just didn't go, and I should have gone, but I mean, I would have loved to have gotten all that on video.

02:38:09.000 I've just been so busy.

02:38:11.000 I don't like traveling, frankly.

02:38:12.000 But I should have gone to that.

02:38:15.000 So Bob Barr is there at a meeting where you guys are talking about government involvement in Oklahoma City?

02:38:21.000 Well, he spoke the night before.

02:38:22.000 He was gone when we had our program.

02:38:24.000 But basically what he was speaking on was his efforts.

02:38:27.000 He's formed an organization there in Atlanta, and their efforts are to reduce and do away with much of the Homeland Defense Act.

02:38:37.000 And get back to the Constitution.

02:38:39.000 Which has nothing to do with fighting terrorists.

02:38:42.000 Well, it has to do with trying to restore some of our rights in the Constitution.

02:38:45.000 No, but I'm saying Homeland Security is a control grid.

02:38:48.000 Oh, no.

02:38:49.000 Homeland Security is here to make sure that you and I don't fight terrorism.

02:38:54.000 I mean, if you look at TSA at the airports, they don't do anything to stop terrorist attacks.

02:38:57.000 They harass the public so that you don't want to fly.

02:39:00.000 Ron in Oklahoma, you're on the air.

02:39:02.000 Go ahead, Ron.

02:39:02.000 We'll go ahead and bring Ron up now.

02:39:06.000 Okay, Alex, for your listeners' benefit, I'm here in Oklahoma City, maybe a mile and a half from the Murrow Building.

02:39:12.000 On April 19th, I felt the shock.

02:39:15.000 I saw the gigantic dust cloud over the building, whatever caused it.

02:39:20.000 But also, Oklahoma is definitely behind the information iron curtain.

02:39:24.000 And I would like to know, for one thing, what the Mexican involvement in this was.

02:39:33.000 How were they involved?

02:39:34.000 Well, you see, the CIA, when they carry out an event, or one of those other agencies that were all involved, they like to use organized crime, they like to use different go-betweens, compartmentalized, like a Lego set or an erector set, but then put it all together.

02:39:48.000 That's just standard operating procedure.

02:39:52.000 And they were involved in smuggling across the detonators.

02:39:57.000 Colonel Roberts, you worked the case.

02:39:59.000 Well, this goes back to the drug smuggling that happened during I ran CONTRA, the MENA affair and all of that when we get information that a major Mexican drug kingpin who's in charge of the land route in through Texas is sending two Mexican bag men up to Oklahoma City to help fund the bombing.

02:40:21.000 You know, and it's not followed up by the FBI, even though I did two separate, extensive, detailed memos on who these guys were and where the information came from and what they allegedly did, I could not get the FBI to move.

02:40:32.000 In fact, they denied that Juan Garcia Obrego even existed up until the time, three or four months later, when they extradited him out of Mexico on unrelated charges.

02:40:42.000 And put him in our prison system.

02:40:43.000 And as it turns out, at the time I was asking them to check on this guy and they said he didn't exist.

02:40:48.000 It turned out he was on their 10 most wanted list.

02:40:50.000 You can get on Google right now, type Juan Garcia Abrego, A-B-R-E-G-O, and you get all the hits you want.

02:40:57.000 Yet they couldn't find this guy on the FBI computer.

02:41:00.000 So yeah, there were some Mexican connections there that we were investigating and we couldn't get the government to move on it.

02:41:09.000 Anything else, Ron?

02:41:10.000 Yeah, Alex, where did the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Jewish Defense League play in all this?

02:41:15.000 Well, it's not the Jewish Defense League, they're a sub-organization of the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith.

02:41:20.000 They were busy running around spouting the Clinton line that it's evil talk radio, it's the evil right-wingers.

02:41:26.000 Yeah, they were the ones that diverted and derailed the entire investigation and we dropped the whole Middle Eastern part on day five. 0.76

02:41:36.000 Every time we Someone talked about the bombing here in Oklahoma City.

02:41:40.000 They try to tie it into Nazis or whatever. 0.93

02:41:44.000 White supremacists. 0.99

02:41:46.000 That's all brainwashing. 0.99

02:41:48.000 That's all that is.

02:41:48.000 They're buying the government.

02:41:50.000 The government knows that we're waking up with their stories of fraud, so they give you a false story to fall into.

02:41:55.000 I personally realize that, but what I'm saying is this is for your listeners' benefit.

02:42:00.000 That's how they operate.

02:42:01.000 I try to demonize anyone who comes out and tries to spread the truth.

02:42:05.000 Now I hear you.

02:42:06.000 Let's shift gears.

02:42:07.000 Thank you for the call.

02:42:08.000 I may have time to take a few more calls, but Craig, I wanted to cover this.

02:42:11.000 As I saw the Pentagon plan about five years ago, how they were advising the cities with all these cameras going in, the transponder readers, the whole grid's been put in.

02:42:21.000 And now from Florida to Wisconsin to Texas, they're quietly putting in the final touches.

02:42:26.000 But this is out of a major newspaper out of Wisconsin.

02:42:31.000 Headline, Homeland Security, Lockheed Martin provide total surveillance for Wisconsin Town.

02:42:37.000 Let me just read a few paragraphs.

02:42:38.000 This isn't Big Brother situation that we have here, said Councilman Red Nut.

02:42:43.000 This is another tool for our law enforcement officers.

02:42:47.000 The last 18 months, Police Chief Richard Bold It's been investigating the technology, even going so far as to take a recent trip to Cocoa Beach, Florida with City Administrator Leon Compton to see exactly how well the system works.

02:43:01.000 And it goes on to say that this is basically opening up a whole new world.

02:43:05.000 This is something that is cutting edge and will allow us to get in on the ground floor with something that is great for the safety of our community as a whole.

02:43:13.000 And it goes on to say it's wireless cameras and systems that are hooked in.

02:43:17.000 It's run by Lockheed Martin with a Pentagon system.

02:43:20.000 Thumb scanners, face scanners.

02:43:23.000 The entire city, every stoplight, every street will have these small wireless cameras.

02:43:29.000 And it goes on to say the system which was originally engineered for use by the United States military during battlefield operations has since been taken over by Motorola, a company renowned for its innovations and leadership in the communications sector.

02:43:41.000 Lockheed Martin was hired by the city as an independent information technology consultant on the subject.

02:43:48.000 It continues.

02:43:49.000 After these three phases of installation are complete, the entire community of Ripton will be online with the system in virtual wireless hotspots, giving city-equipped vehicles and Lockheed Martin engineers the chance to iron out any receiving bugs in various pockets throughout the town.

02:44:06.000 And it just goes on with about the thumb scanners and face scanners and everything will be wired into police cars with cameras watching and scanning everything we do and they admit it's a Pentagon program.

02:44:19.000 I mean, Colonel, this is just...

02:44:21.000 I mean, they've got a bill in the Texas Legislature to put transponders in all our cars by law, to tax us with the toll roads, and the minute our insurance runs out, they instantly arrest us.

02:44:32.000 I mean, this is Nazi Germany on steroids. 0.59

02:44:35.000 Oh, it's the invasion of privacy that they keep saying that we've got to have this right to privacy, we've got to protect your privacy, we've got to do this and that and the other.

02:44:44.000 Then they turn right around and they put cameras every place.

02:44:47.000 You go to London, England, and of course the IRA is supposed to be the threat, even though the IRA hasn't done anything in London in years.

02:44:53.000 They've got cameras everywhere watching everything in London.

02:44:56.000 Now that's a test place.

02:45:00.000 They're not even saying it's for terror.

02:45:02.000 I mean, they put the systems in, then they announce what they're going to do with it, and it is just this total control grid, and then Lockheed Martin runs most of the red light cameras, and they even give you the tickets and charge you a private corporation.

02:45:14.000 I mean, it's a joke!

02:45:15.000 Oh, it's crazy, but it's Big Brother, and the war goes well in Oceania, so citizen, just step in the line and do what you're told to do.

02:45:24.000 That's where we're going.

02:45:25.000 We are past 1984.

02:45:27.000 We're knee-deep in it right now.

02:45:28.000 But they won't do this on the border.

02:45:30.000 No, they haven't got any assets to fix a fence on the border, but they've got assets to go up here into these various towns and cities and put cameras on every red light.

02:45:39.000 It's absolutely incredible.

02:45:40.000 For those who don't know, every car that drives through constantly, instantly, it reads your license plate and runs it through a criminal background check.

02:45:47.000 Well, and they've got the face recognition software that'll go through windshields now.

02:45:51.000 So that when you drive through, it can run a... and it's not infallible.

02:45:55.000 I mean, you can pop up as somebody on the 10 Most Wanted list if the camera just gets... Well, they found that in Tampa.

02:46:02.000 Yeah, the light reflection is wrong and you can get stopped and have guys with guns pull you out of the car.

02:46:08.000 Folks, do we want to do this to America?

02:46:11.000 I mean, this is a sick joke.

02:46:14.000 Here's another one, Prison Planet reporting on this.

02:46:16.000 We have the mainstream news articles links to it.

02:46:19.000 The British government first declared two years ago they found this Ryerson plant.

02:46:22.000 Turned out it was fake.

02:46:23.000 Turned out it was a false story.

02:46:24.000 Now it's come out again that it was a fake news story.

02:46:27.000 And they ordered mainstream British newspapers with a quote, D-notice to remove the articles, but we have them saved on the website.

02:46:35.000 They ordered major newspapers Uh, from the Guardian and others, uh, to just, uh, remove the stories.

02:46:41.000 Do not report that we're issuing fake terror alerts.

02:46:44.000 I mean, same thing.

02:46:47.000 It's like our press now with all these fake news reporters, Craig.

02:46:49.000 Oh, I know.

02:46:51.000 I know.

02:46:51.000 Well, you know, I found out a long time ago that the mainstream media is an organ of the CIA.

02:46:56.000 Um, you know, you sit there and you take the three main, uh, ABC, NBC, CBS, and you're watching the evening news, and you can flick back and forth, and guess what?

02:47:05.000 You're not going to miss any news stories, because they all report exactly the same thing at exactly the same time.

02:47:10.000 Uh, you know, I mean, if that's not pretty obvious...

02:47:13.000 You know, they decide, their deal is, we tell you what the news is.

02:47:17.000 You know, it's not all the news is fit to print, it's we tell you.

02:47:19.000 That's the predominant media, it isn't that all the people are government agents because the people that write the good wire stories, nobody reads the wires.

02:47:27.000 No.

02:47:27.000 And you find all the real news on the wires, but no one ever learns of it.

02:47:30.000 You know, they get the same talking heads every night to spout the same propaganda, and they'll go off and sensationalize... But, Craig, it's not working.

02:47:41.000 This is from editor and publisher Dallas Paper Suppers.

02:47:45.000 Uh, serious plunge, circulation plunge, and now they're getting subpoenaed by the district attorney because they've been putting out false subscription numbers to advertisers.

02:47:54.000 And the last year, they've had a 13% drop in readership.

02:47:58.000 They'd already had a 60% drop in the last 10 years.

02:48:01.000 It's the same with all the other papers.

02:48:03.000 And TV's lost 45% of their audience.

02:48:06.000 Period.

02:48:06.000 Everybody's leaving them, Colonel.

02:48:08.000 They're all coming to us, so the globalists have got a problem.

02:48:12.000 The only thing that they've got worth anything is the classified ads.

02:48:15.000 Other than that, you've got Birdcage Liner.

02:48:18.000 It literally is Birdcage.

02:48:19.000 But I mean, so they're losing their viewership.

02:48:22.000 They've got to, the Globals have to move quick.

02:48:25.000 I mean, are you not finding the same thing I'm finding?

02:48:27.000 That people are really waking up?

02:48:28.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:48:29.000 And I think it's scaring the opposition.

02:48:30.000 And like you say, they're going to have to move quick, and they are.

02:48:34.000 Well, when you blow up the city, New World Order, everybody's going to know you did it. 0.99

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02:48:39.000 I should be right back. 0.99

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02:52:59.000 Before we take these two final calls, Craig, I want to thank you for coming on with us.

02:53:02.000 And just real quick, if you could, in 45 seconds, talk about what really happened on Waco.

02:53:07.000 Well, I think what happened there is there at the end, there were some things going on inside the building that they had to shut up, that they had to make sure these people didn't come out and speak of.

02:53:19.000 Somewhere along the line, orders were given that everybody had to be eliminated because there's no other way that this could have happened.

02:53:26.000 Other than that, I was one of the People who analyzed the flare tapes that looked down when the tank went into the building and initially in the back of the building went down.

02:53:34.000 You could see troops firing their machine guns and the news goes, no that's not machine guns!

02:53:38.000 Well after the tank went in and came out, then the fire started in that part of the building that the tank was in and these people wouldn't have gone up against a tank, you know, and then started a fire afterwards.

02:53:48.000 And then they put the bomb on top of the books depository and Hey Alex, how are you doing?

02:53:53.000 Hey, just wanted to let you know, I was watching the History Channel this morning.

02:53:53.000 Good!

02:53:57.000 Let's talk to Joe in Chicago.

02:54:01.000 Go ahead, Joe.

02:54:02.000 Hey, Alex.

02:54:03.000 How are you doing?

02:54:04.000 Good.

02:54:05.000 I just wanted to let you know, I was watching the History Channel this morning.

02:54:08.000 They had a program called Days That Took the World.

02:54:11.000 They had one on there about the attempted assassination of Adolf Hitler in 1944.

02:54:17.000 Yeah, with the bomb they put right up against him, but the, but the leg of the, uh, table didn't, you know, didn't kill him.

02:54:23.000 Exactly.

02:54:24.000 The one thing that really kind of, like, really opened my eyes and just put me at a tense when I saw that.

02:54:29.000 A huge explosive couldn't blow through the leg of a table.

02:54:32.000 Yeah, right, right.

02:54:33.000 Um... But a truck bomb blows giant columns away, further away than columns right up against it.

02:54:40.000 Is that the point you were going to make?

02:54:41.000 No, actually not.

02:54:43.000 Some of those guys, they had mentioned the actual name of the two gentlemen that were part of the conspiracy.

02:54:52.000 They had mentioned that they were part of the German Homeland Defense Division.

02:54:59.000 Now, is there any truth to that?

02:55:01.000 No, it was Reich Security.

02:55:03.000 Reich means land.

02:55:05.000 No, Homeland Security is a German translation.

02:55:07.000 Colonel, comments?

02:55:09.000 Yeah, it goes right back to the same stuff that happened in the 1930s after the Rocksteak fire.

02:55:14.000 I mean, a lot of it was patterned right after that.

02:55:17.000 It was almost like an off-the-shelf deal.

02:55:19.000 They just pulled it out, dusted it off, and Americanized it.

02:55:22.000 Wow.

02:55:23.000 Thanks for the call, Joe.

02:55:24.000 Great points.

02:55:25.000 Yeah, the 68 Gun Control Act is an exact translation.

02:55:27.000 Two words are changed from a German gun control act.

02:55:30.000 Senator Dodd did that.

02:55:31.000 Nancy in Texas, last caller, go ahead.

02:55:34.000 Hello there, Alex.

02:55:35.000 I just wanted to thank you and everybody on your show And all your guests that you had on.

02:55:39.000 I just wanted to read a quick poem that I wrote for you and properly recognize from your famous words.

02:55:46.000 Go ahead.

02:55:46.000 We're not your property.

02:55:47.000 We're not your slave.

02:55:48.000 We're not your farm animal.

02:55:50.000 We're not here for you to send us to your wars.

02:55:52.000 We're not here for you to judge.

02:55:53.000 We're not here for you to tag.

02:55:55.000 We're not to be discriminated.

02:55:56.000 We're not to be violated.

02:55:57.000 We're not to be scanned.

02:55:58.000 We're not watching your mind control advertising. 0.99

02:56:01.000 We're not watching your reality bull crap shows. 0.99

02:56:03.000 We're not watching your brainwashing sitcoms. 0.99

02:56:05.000 We're not over you taking away our rights.

02:56:07.000 We're not over you killing our people.

02:56:08.000 And we're not over your big brother cameras everywhere.

02:56:11.000 We're not the people who will let you take over.

02:56:13.000 We're not the people who will believe your lies.

02:56:15.000 And we're not the people who will be controlled.

02:56:17.000 We're not afraid.

02:56:18.000 We're not afraid.

02:56:18.000 And we're not alone.

02:56:19.000 We're not hurt from your greed.

02:56:20.000 We're not hurt from your rules.

02:56:22.000 And we're not hurt from your power.

02:56:23.000 Because we the people of the United States Listen, Nancy, you're going to have to call me back on Monday with the rest of this poem.

02:56:31.000 Greg, thanks for coming on.

02:56:33.000 See you next time, brother.

Alex Jones Show - April 22, 2005

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