Alex Jones Show - 20050504_Wed_Alex

00:00:01.000 Big Brother.

00:00:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:09.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:10.000 You want answers?

00:00:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:22.000 Hello, my friends.

00:00:34.000 Thank you.

00:00:36.000 It is Wednesday, the fourth day of May, 2005.

00:00:39.000 We'll be live for the next three hours.

00:00:43.000 We have a famous actor and also documentary filmmaker coming on in about 30 minutes, Tom Laughlin.

00:00:51.000 And of course, in about an hour and a half, we've got David Ray Griffin joining us, who of course was on C-SPAN this weekend.

00:00:59.000 An hour and a half presentation he gave of Well, the facts.

00:01:04.000 The evidence is clear.

00:01:05.000 The Globalists were behind 9-11. 1.00

00:01:06.000 And they're going to be re-airing that, I've been told, on C-SPAN, a Saturday afternoon, I believe at 2.30 Eastern, 1.30 Central, this Saturday, because of overwhelming requests.

00:01:19.000 So, David Ray Griffin, the author of The New Pearl Harbor and the 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions, and we'll be discussing his two books coming up in the middle of the broadcast today.

00:01:33.000 In the meantime, there is just so much news to cover.

00:01:37.000 I mean, where to start?

00:01:40.000 I was touched by an article that Paul Watson wrote, and I was pleasantly surprised to see it this morning.

00:01:49.000 The real origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement.

00:01:53.000 This needed to be said, and Paul has said it, and I'm touched by it.

00:02:00.000 We'll discuss why it's important.

00:02:04.000 Coming up in just a little while, of course, every day or two we see one of these.

00:02:07.000 Phoenix man dies for being tasered.

00:02:10.000 Listening microphones to be installed in an entire city to cut down on noise and people being too noisy.

00:02:19.000 So now it's not to stop Al-Qaeda, it's to stop people talking too loud.

00:02:23.000 And of course, the microphones have key computer software that listen for key words, and listen for decibels, and automatically dial up the police.

00:02:31.000 And every home will be listened to.

00:02:34.000 And this is what we'll all face very soon.

00:02:36.000 Austin back in 1998 with the federal grant that Kay Bailey Hutchinson got us.

00:02:43.000 $844,000 a year.

00:02:44.000 It's in my film Police State 2000.

00:02:45.000 Had microphones put up in a large portion of the city and since then they've been putting up more every year since then.

00:02:53.000 Cisco slam for RFID staff tracker.

00:02:57.000 Wireless RFID server tracks personnel via tags embedded in uniforms.

00:03:05.000 Boston pays $5.1 million to dead Red Sox fans' family.

00:03:09.000 Remember they murdered Mrs. Snellgrove.

00:03:12.000 Bob Barr wants Patriot Act reigned in.

00:03:15.000 You do that by getting rid of it.

00:03:17.000 Public outrage kills L.A.

00:03:19.000 Mexico sign saying that L.A.

00:03:21.000 is Mexico.

00:03:23.000 Congress to force agencies to identify video news feeds.

00:03:27.000 These hundreds of millions of dollars of fake newscasts.

00:03:30.000 Bush says he's not going to follow their order.

00:03:34.000 Chicago's putting in these FEMA air raid sirens, but they're also going to be making New World Order announcements, and it's part of the EAS system that takes over all radio and TV stations.

00:03:46.000 And they admit this here in this UPI article about what's happening in Chicago.

00:03:51.000 Court rules IBM does not have to face Nazi charges.

00:03:55.000 Reuters.

00:03:56.000 Not because they didn't help the Nazis, but because the statute of limitations has run out.

00:04:02.000 I didn't know there was a statute of limitations on murder, but according to them there is.

00:04:06.000 Plainclothes troopers crash Shippensburg students' parties.

00:04:13.000 They can't watch the border, but they can spy on student parties to make sure they're not drinking.

00:04:20.000 Keeping us safe from Al-Qaeda. 0.67

00:04:21.000 That's time well spent.

00:04:23.000 Don't go after the meth labs.

00:04:25.000 Go after the parties.

00:04:26.000 That's, again, time well spent.

00:04:30.000 That is just some.

00:04:32.000 of what's coming up.

00:04:33.000 There is so much news.

00:04:35.000 We're going to cover it all.

00:04:36.000 We've got two great guests today, thanks to my wonderful producer.

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00:04:50.000 It's all coming up after this quick break, so be sure and stay with us.

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00:07:59.000 Big Brother.

00:08:07.000 Mainstream media.

00:08:08.000 Government cover-ups.

00:08:10.000 You want answers?

00:08:12.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:13.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:17.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:21.000 All right, second segment, 8 minutes, 35 seconds into this hour.

00:08:38.000 David Ray Griffin, the professor, who was on C-SPAN last weekend, exposing government involvement in 9-11, will be joining us in the middle of the next hour.

00:08:48.000 We also have Tom Laughlin, famous actor and documentary filmmaker, who is launching his own campaign to expose the NWO, will be joining us, scheduled to, here in about 30 minutes.

00:09:03.000 I'm going to open the broadcast up with the real origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement.

00:09:08.000 Then I will get into entire towns to have every home listened to by its own government-controlled microphone.

00:09:16.000 Then I'll get into Cisco with embedded chips in their employees' clothing, tracking everything they do, everywhere they go.

00:09:26.000 The murder of Mrs. Schnellgrove, Boston's had to pay out five plus million because the cop blew the young lady's head off. 1.00

00:09:32.000 The fight over the Patriot Act is now coming to a head.

00:09:36.000 There is so much coming up, so stay with us.

00:09:38.000 But I was pleasantly surprised this morning, I guess you posted it last night,

00:09:44.000 to read Paul Watson's analysis of who really founded the 9-11 truth movement and it's important to know that we're not tooting our horns that it is very important in history with any historical movement to have accurate history and to know who truly founded a movement because others

00:10:13.000 can try to claim that they founded it and then you assert the moral authority as being founders to then claim that they control a movement.

00:10:24.000 I have never said that I control the 9-11 truth movement.

00:10:28.000 I have never attacked people's individual views on it who believe the government was involved or believe the government had prior knowledge.

00:10:36.000 Though there is a wide spectrum of thought on exactly how the globalists carried the attacks out, we know they're guilty. 0.97

00:10:44.000 The analogy I've used is the police pull over a murderer who's got skin under his fingernails and blood on his shirt and a scratch across his face and they open up the trunk and there's a dead woman in the back that he's raped and murdered.

00:11:01.000 Now, he'll never admit to killing her, but we have witnesses that saw him drive into the woods, we have witnesses that heard screams, we have witnesses that

00:11:13.000 uh... have told us that he said he was going to kill her while he even has a conviction for raping and killing another woman and so as police officers as detectives we may sit around in the water cooler room drinking coffee arguing about how we should carry out the prosecution what evidence we should bring forward to the DA and did he stab her before he raped her?

00:11:39.000 details like that because he won't talk He won't give us the absolute final details. 0.99

00:11:47.000 But we know he's a killer!

00:11:49.000 We know they carried out 9-11. 0.99

00:11:51.000 All the evidence shows it.

00:11:53.000 The official government plans to carry out attacks.

00:11:56.000 The history of it.

00:11:58.000 The CIA insider trading.

00:12:00.000 The public officials warned not to fly.

00:12:01.000 The hijackers train at US military bases in their houses, cars, credit cards paid for by the US government.

00:12:07.000 The embassies ordered to let them back into the country when they would leave the country for Al Qaeda summits.

00:12:14.000 The heads of embassies told they're part of a secret anti-terrorism training program.

00:12:20.000 On and on and on with literally 600 plus pieces of evidence.

00:12:24.000 That's what we've compiled.

00:12:25.000 So we know the globalists did it.

00:12:27.000 We know they have the motive for a police state and oil and weapon sales.

00:12:31.000 Even their own PNAC documents say they need terror attacks.

00:12:34.000 Mick Cheney wrote that in September of 2000 before he was even in office.

00:12:41.000 So we know they committed the atrocity.

00:12:45.000 We understand that.

00:12:46.000 But we can debate how they specifically carried it out.

00:12:52.000 What happened in those woods?

00:12:55.000 When they did the deed.

00:12:57.000 You understand?

00:12:59.000 But that hasn't happened.

00:13:02.000 That hasn't happened.

00:13:06.000 No, instead, Johnny Come Lately's and others have come along.

00:13:11.000 They have claimed that they are the founders of the 9-11 Prift Movement and they have declared People authority, basically, to speak ex cathedra from the throne, literally, and tell us that they decide, and they arbitrate, and they tell us what can be debated, and what can be discussed, and what can be said.

00:13:33.000 And then, three years after I break news, three and a half years after I break stories, they then come out, and come out with the news, even years after the Associated Press has reported it, And say that they broke it, and then even attack me and say that it's their story!

00:13:48.000 I mean, it's ridiculous!

00:13:52.000 And it's very dangerous!

00:13:56.000 And that's why a few months ago, I mentioned on air, that if you really got to have a founder, if you want to know who the founder of the 9-11 Truth Movement is, it's Alex Jones!

00:14:11.000 It has to be done!

00:14:14.000 I mean, it'd be like if I was there at the Continental Congress, and I was involved in writing something up, and then somebody came along 20 years later and said, no, no, no, I was there and I wrote it up, when it wasn't true!

00:14:27.000 You see, it has to be responded to.

00:14:33.000 Because I'm saying everybody should be able to debate this, and have discussions about this, and no one group is totally right.

00:14:39.000 All of us together can defeat the New World Order.

00:14:42.000 Well, Paul Watson has heard me talk about this, and so he decided to write up an article about it.

00:14:46.000 Again, I was pleasantly surprised to see it posted this morning.

00:14:48.000 The Real Origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement.

00:14:52.000 Four years ago, in May of 2001, I watched a British Channel 4 documentary about Alex Jones' infiltration into Bohemian Grove.

00:15:00.000 At first glance, the show seemed to be a hit piece aimed at discrediting Alex and his work, but I wanted to make sure, so I visited Alex's website and started listening to his radio show.

00:15:11.000 Alex was gripped with anguish and apprehension.

00:15:14.000 He was talking about how the government were about to carry out an act of terrorism to bolster the construction of a police state and a New World Order.

00:15:22.000 Alex dubbed his campaign, Expose the Government Terrorist, and urged his listeners to call the White House and tell them to call off the operation.

00:15:31.000 He gave out White House switchboard numbers on his radio and television show on a daily basis.

00:15:37.000 For two months, right up until 9-11.

00:15:39.000 On his television show, Alex elaborated on the fact that the globalists were about to use their asset of some of Bin Laden to attack New York.

00:15:46.000 Alex is not psychic.

00:15:48.000 He does not have a crystal ball.

00:15:49.000 He was able to make the call because he could see the conditioning in the media.

00:15:53.000 Bin Laden is a threat.

00:15:54.000 Bin Laden will attack.

00:15:56.000 When Bin Laden attacks, give up your rights.

00:15:59.000 This was an increasingly replayed mantra from the controlled media.

00:16:06.000 You can click on a link and watch where I talk about it on the TV show.

00:16:12.000 I watched all this develop before I even spoke to Alex or started my own website.

00:16:18.000 On the day of the attack Alex called in the Derry Brownfield Show which was being broadcast on GCN before Alex's own show came on the air.

00:16:27.000 Alex was adamant the government was behind the attack.

00:16:30.000 They had been conditioned The public before the attack, and they had the most to gain from carrying out the attack.

00:16:39.000 While others were squabbling over issues of prior knowledge, Alex was firm in pointing the finger directly at the criminals inside the military-industrial complex for being intimately involved in 9-11.

00:16:54.000 And I got all the heat for that.

00:16:55.000 When I said prior knowledge, I got attacked by people who later claimed they were founders of the 9-11 movement.

00:17:00.000 When I said the government was involved, day one, I was attacked.

00:17:04.000 The evidence is now overwhelming and clear that this is exactly what happened.

00:17:08.000 They were behind it.

00:17:10.000 In the days and weeks following 9-11, Alex was the first to draw attention to the crucial testimony of people like David Shippers and Greg Pallas, respectable figures blowing the whistle on government connections and protection of the terrorist.

00:17:22.000 Greg Pallas thanked Alex for being the only radio host, we have a link to his public release that I never asked for, Greg Powell's thanked Alex for being the only radio host to pay attention to W199I, a leaked document concerning FBI protection of groups linked to Al-Qaeda.

00:17:40.000 In mid to late 2004, several prominent, self-proclaimed 9-11 ringleaders started Talking about the fact that war games were used as a cover for the operational execution of the 9-11 attack.

00:17:52.000 Alex was talking about this two years beforehand in his film, The Masters of Terror.

00:17:56.000 We have a link to that, and again, an April 2004 television show, a clip of which can be viewed here.

00:18:03.000 I point out these examples not to lionize Alex Jones and some kind of messiah, but in response to claims of many researchers that they are the grandfather of the 9-11 truth movement, or words to that effect.

00:18:15.000 It is disturbing to note that in many instances these same researchers have been seen to push obvious frauds like the peak oil theory.

00:18:26.000 At least three years ago Alex warned people that the establishment would allow the truth about 9-11 to get out simply because it was too big a monster to hide.

00:18:34.000 Alex pointed out, however, that the establishment would spin the issue to make people believe that the evil right-wing American Imperials were behind the terrorism, and so the only solution would be a left-wing world government to counter them.

00:18:45.000 And now we're hearing that.

00:18:47.000 So you would be forced to accept a false choice between right and left, a right-wing world government and a left-wing world government.

00:18:54.000 Many prominent 9-11 researchers, either unwittingly or deliberately, have been promulgating this dangerous notion, stating that, for example, we need a global democracy to defeat the evil right-wing neocons.

00:19:08.000 The fact that these individuals have been labeled the godfathers of the 9-11 movement is therefore a worrying development.

00:19:15.000 This has given them the credibility required to create a 9-11 orthodoxy and marginalize anyone who discusses 9-11 issues they feel shouldn't be circulated.

00:19:25.000 We vehemently disagree with and are highly suspicious of people who claim to be Who claim to be the bellwether 9-11 authority figures, especially when people like Alex Jones and others were way ahead of them on the curve on 9-11.

00:19:41.000 The examples presented in this article underscore our conviction on the matter.

00:19:49.000 It's very important.

00:19:51.000 And, frankly, I took the heat, I hit the barbed wire first, I dealt with it, and then other people try to tell me what to do?

00:20:02.000 Pope John Paul II is already being acclaimed a saint.

00:20:05.000 During his 26 years, he canonized 482 saints.

00:20:08.000 The one saint that stands out in my mind is St.

00:20:10.000 Maria Faustina, a poor, uneducated Polish nun. 0.99

00:20:13.000 Christ appeared to her over 100 times in the 1930s and instructed her to keep a diary of the message he wanted to give to the world.

00:20:20.000 This message is nothing new, just a reminder of what the Church has always taught.

00:20:23.000 that God is merciful and forgiving, excluding no one, and that we too must show mercy and forgiveness to our neighbor.

00:20:29.000 Christ promises to grant unimaginable favors to those that trust in his mercy.

00:20:33.000 Trust Jesus.

00:20:34.000 He will reveal his love in all aspects of your life.

00:20:36.000 I have experienced the power of divine mercy and know the miracles that have taken place in my life.

00:20:41.000 Christ will pour out his mercy and love to you in great abundance.

00:20:44.000 I'll send you a free booklet so that you too can learn more about divine mercy.

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00:24:15.000 Whenever the listeners call in and say, oh Alex, you're doing such a great job, oh Alex, you're so wonderful, I say, look, I'm just an average person fighting for my family's future.

00:24:25.000 If my family's going to be safe and happy and have a future, I've got to stand up against this tyranny.

00:24:30.000 I'm just doing my duty.

00:24:34.000 I do have an understanding of the New World Order that is not that plentiful on what you'd call the Truth Movement, or the Freedom Movement, or the Patriot Movement, or the Truth-Seeking Movement.

00:24:46.000 I have the big picture.

00:24:48.000 And perhaps it's because I literally... I did an 18-hour day again yesterday.

00:24:53.000 I did a total of... I said I was going to do eight hours.

00:24:55.000 I ended up doing nine and a half hours of broadcast yesterday.

00:25:01.000 On all these different talk show interviews and my own broadcast.

00:25:06.000 And I do that because I realize how serious this is.

00:25:08.000 I know the globalists are kidnapping children and women right now and flying them to slave brothels.

00:25:13.000 I know they're putting cancer viruses in vaccines right now.

00:25:18.000 And When I get up here and tell you what they're going to do with the Patriot Act three years before they do it, when I tell you how they'll try to pass the national ID card and they do it, when I tell you how they're going to push the microchip, the implantable chip, it's because I understand them.

00:25:32.000 It's like, you know, your grandpa who's been watching football for 50 years and he knows what play they're going to call before they call it.

00:25:39.000 You know those type of football fans who you're amazed by.

00:25:41.000 It's like, are you psychic?

00:25:43.000 Well, no, I've been watching football for 50 years.

00:25:45.000 Well, I've been studying the NWO for 12 years, been on air for 10 years, and I've done about 20, 30 years of work in the last 10 years.

00:25:54.000 I've built up the experience.

00:25:56.000 You know, like an experienced pilot.

00:25:57.000 I've logged the tens of thousands of hours.

00:26:01.000 I've watched the Globalists. 1.00

00:26:02.000 I've studied them.

00:26:03.000 I've read their policy reports until 3 a.m.

00:26:06.000 so many nights, it's unbelievable.

00:26:09.000 And I got up here on air and I pulled out all the stops for three hours one day.

00:26:15.000 And I said, call the White House.

00:26:16.000 They're going to blame Bin Laden.

00:26:17.000 He's going to take the blame.

00:26:18.000 They're going to attack the World Trade Center.

00:26:21.000 I'm looking at the CDs of that.

00:26:22.000 I had them burn my CDs years ago.

00:26:24.000 I meant to air them on air.

00:26:25.000 I never had time to give them to staff and have them grab all the clips out.

00:26:28.000 But you know what?

00:26:29.000 I've got the staff now.

00:26:30.000 I've hired a few more.

00:26:30.000 I need to dig those out.

00:26:31.000 They're in a stack right over here.

00:26:33.000 I need to play those.

00:26:34.000 Much more powerful than the TV show where I did it.

00:26:37.000 Where I said, this is probably what's going to happen.

00:26:39.000 He's been lied to, attacked the World Trade Center, he'll take the blame.

00:26:43.000 How did I know that?

00:26:44.000 I had sources, but not just sources.

00:26:46.000 It was my understanding.

00:26:47.000 And it was hard to go on air and say that before 9-11.

00:26:50.000 It was hard to do it on the morning of 9-11.

00:26:52.000 It was hard.

00:26:54.000 I mean, Gary Brownfield invited me on.

00:26:56.000 He said, Gary's a great guy.

00:26:59.000 And then after that happened, he got so much heat, he told me, sorry Alex, you're banned from the show.

00:27:04.000 I got his email from his producer.

00:27:06.000 He said, we know you're right, but we lost stations today, and we can't ever have you on the show again.

00:27:16.000 And of course, I lost stations, but later got those stations back and got even more stations.

00:27:24.000 I got death threats over it.

00:27:27.000 I laid out what they would then do.

00:27:29.000 And they're going to carry out more attacks, folks.

00:27:31.000 Because you've stood up and exposed 9-11, we've already backed off their attacks.

00:27:36.000 They would have already happened.

00:27:37.000 Bigger ones.

00:27:40.000 And so I do have credibility.

00:27:43.000 I'm sorry I get upset sometimes and that delivery style might not be palatable to some, but this is heavy information.

00:27:49.000 This is painful.

00:27:51.000 And this is the reality of what we face.

00:27:59.000 Then it's very sad to watch individuals come out of the woodwork who try to limit the scope of the 9-11 investigation and to watch them declare themselves the grandfathers and godfathers and fathers.

00:28:11.000 There's a bunch of them.

00:28:13.000 People, in some cases, even attacked me early on and said that I was wrong, that the government was involved.

00:28:19.000 They now say that and then claim information that we broke.

00:28:26.000 And so that's why I've spent some time on this today.

00:28:28.000 So I hope you'll go to PrisonPlanet.com and go down to the right hand side of the first news column.

00:28:35.000 The headline is, The Real Origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement.

00:28:37.000 I hope you'll email this out to people.

00:28:40.000 So when they hear somebody announcing that they're the grandfather of the 9-11 Truth Movement, they'll investigate that individual.

00:28:46.000 They'll investigate those individuals.

00:28:49.000 Because I never wanted to claim this mantle, though it is mine.

00:28:54.000 I personally don't care.

00:28:55.000 I didn't care.

00:28:56.000 But I didn't realize, I didn't think about it, how important it is to be able to claim that.

00:29:01.000 Because then they claim almost, as I said, papal authority.

00:29:06.000 It's the same analogy that, you know, I have this position, and I'm the one that first broke this, and so I'm the one that tells you who you can believe and who you can listen to.

00:29:15.000 That's what they're doing.

00:29:17.000 As the father of the 9-11 movement, I'm saying you're all more important than I am.

00:29:23.000 You're smarter than I am.

00:29:24.000 You should be leaders.

00:29:26.000 I'll support you if you're doing good work.

00:29:28.000 I'll have you on this radio show.

00:29:30.000 But if you're a backstabbing viper, I won't!

00:29:35.000 So, that's why I have to do this.

00:29:40.000 It's important.

00:29:41.000 You know, it'd be like if I was the first person to fly across the Atlantic Ocean in a one-engine plane and then somebody else took credit for it.

00:29:48.000 You'd be mad, wouldn't you?

00:29:51.000 We're on the march, the Empire's on the run.

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00:33:00.000 Waging war on corruption.

00:33:08.000 Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:33:13.000 Famous actor and documentary filmmaker Tom Laughlin will be joining us for 30 minutes of the next hour.

00:33:19.000 He's getting involved in a movement against the NWO and making a new documentary, a new film about it.

00:33:26.000 And then 30 minutes into the next hour, for a full hour, we're going to have David Ray Griffin, the professor who's been exposed to government prior knowledge and involvement in 9-11, joining us as well.

00:33:36.000 Another great 9-11 researcher, who isn't involved in backstabbing and attacking other researchers, who's just involved in getting the truth out, will be joining us.

00:33:46.000 We hold up the real researchers, the people that care, the people that are taking action, and he'll be joining us coming up as well.

00:33:46.000 That's what we do.

00:33:56.000 I'm going to go to Richard and Charles and others in the news here in a moment.

00:34:00.000 Just my final comments about the 9-11 truth movement.

00:34:04.000 Is that we've seen multiple salt-described leaders and founders of the 9-11 Truth Movement who have no claim to that mantle.

00:34:14.000 Which is a dangerous mantle, I would add, by the way.

00:34:16.000 It's like John Hancock signing his name big and fat on the Declaration of Independence.

00:34:23.000 I mean, it's really asking for it.

00:34:26.000 It's not in particularly a mantle I want.

00:34:28.000 I just want to defeat the New World Order.

00:34:30.000 That's what I care about.

00:34:32.000 But some of these same individuals then tell us, 9-11 Truth Movement, dead.

00:34:36.000 Go home, go to sleep, it's over.

00:34:38.000 Move on to something else.

00:34:40.000 When we're on the verge of it becoming mainstream, and major polls show the majority of Americans think like we do.

00:34:48.000 I mean, right when we're winning the battle, suddenly, okay, lay down!

00:34:55.000 Very Benedict Arnold-like.

00:34:59.000 And of great concern.

00:35:00.000 So that's why I've got to get up on air and lay my cards on the table. 0.92

00:35:06.000 It's ridiculous. 0.86

00:35:07.000 A lot of people thought, Alex is a loose cannon. 1.00

00:35:09.000 He's shooting his mouth off.

00:35:10.000 This guy goes on the air at 10 o'clock in the morning on 9-11.

00:35:20.000 Well, that's not even true.

00:35:21.000 I was calling in David Joyce that day, right after it happened.

00:35:24.000 But there on Derry-Brownfield for, you know, 30 minutes laying it out.

00:35:27.000 Now this guy, he's a loose cannon.

00:35:29.000 He's on the air saying, Operation Northwood U.S.

00:35:31.000 Government Plan, because that's in the plan to hijack jets, promote control, crash them and blame it on foreign enemies.

00:35:37.000 And man, this guy, you know, where does he come up with all this?

00:35:39.000 I've been saying it for two months when I could really see from all the different indicators that they were going to do this.

00:35:47.000 And I've really got to thank the ADL for demonizing me that night.

00:35:51.000 They put out a report attacking me, going, look at Alex Jones!

00:35:56.000 You know, within hours of it, he's blaming the government.

00:35:58.000 And you go read the quotes I gave that they put on their website.

00:36:03.000 Still there.

00:36:04.000 I mean, I've got the opposition, the establishment demonization arm, who just goes out demonizing good people and mixing them in with bad.

00:36:13.000 I've got them basically documenting for the record.

00:36:17.000 A week later, the Washington Post SAVAGED me!

00:36:22.000 This Alex Jones!

00:36:23.000 You can even go to the Alex Jones section for my bio on InfoWars.com, and in there, one of the articles that's listed is an article out of the Washington Post, and they got me in there!

00:36:33.000 Alex Jones thinks the government was involved as a pretext to invade countries!

00:36:38.000 Alex Jones thinks the government was in control! 0.95

00:36:40.000 Alex Jones is crazy!

00:36:44.000 I mean, imagine taking the heat, being the first to hit the barbed wire. 0.95

00:36:48.000 To literally hit the barbed wire so everybody else could run over my back.

00:36:52.000 And then to have the people that ran over my back after I took the machine gun nest, turn around and say I'm bad.

00:36:59.000 And turn around and after we've almost taken the hill, tell everybody turn around and go home.

00:37:06.000 No!

00:37:06.000 Never!

00:37:08.000 I've taken a lot of shots going up this hill.

00:37:11.000 And I'm not going to let Individuals out there stop what we're doing.

00:37:17.000 We're going to go all the way to the end.

00:37:19.000 We're never going to stop.

00:37:22.000 We're never going to surrender.

00:37:23.000 We're never going to give in.

00:37:25.000 We're never going to give up.

00:37:28.000 I mean, it's satisfying to go from being a pariah to Everything I talked about now being with the general public on the street.

00:37:39.000 Talk to them something that they believe and they've heard and they know.

00:37:44.000 They just don't have all the details.

00:37:45.000 Now it's our job to give them the details.

00:37:48.000 So again, I ask you to go to PrisonPlanet.com and get this article, The Real Origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement, and to email it out to everybody.

00:37:59.000 And there were other people, by the way, that were focusing on government-sponsored terror.

00:38:03.000 And that we're warning people what really happened was, Jeff Rents was, uh... Oh, there's so many that we could call the founding fathers and mothers of exposing government-sponsored terrorism, but I was obsessed with it.

00:38:20.000 I was haranguing it.

00:38:21.000 I was detailing it.

00:38:23.000 I was laying it out with specifics because I guess it's a blessing.

00:38:30.000 Sometimes it feels like a curse.

00:38:32.000 I understand how they operate.

00:38:33.000 I know their program.

00:38:38.000 But there were a lot of people that had the government-sponsored terror sections that were concerned about it.

00:38:43.000 I mean, Oklahoma City, World Trade Center, first bombing.

00:38:45.000 That's why we were already talking about government-sponsored terror, because we had all these other examples of it!

00:38:49.000 Alright, that's enough.

00:38:53.000 It's just, it's too rich.

00:38:54.000 It's too much.

00:38:56.000 To watch people claim they're the founders, or have people claim it for them, and there's a bunch of them doing this.

00:39:03.000 And then to watch them run around and tell us that we've jumped on their bandwagon and that we're a bunch of scallywags.

00:39:11.000 It isn't about who's the first.

00:39:13.000 But we have to talk about it because people will claim that mantle and that authority.

00:39:20.000 Well, I don't have to claim it.

00:39:22.000 It's mine.

00:39:25.000 It's my John Hancock on my head, my treasure, my family, my future, my life, my blood, my sweat, my tears!

00:39:36.000 It's my millstone!

00:39:40.000 And... Oh, it's just incredible.

00:39:46.000 It's absolutely amazing.

00:39:48.000 And I've just been thinking about it the last few months, mulling it over and watching all this happen.

00:39:57.000 Who's up first here?

00:40:00.000 Richard in Florida, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

00:40:02.000 Yes, keep up the good work.

00:40:04.000 I was wondering, you didn't mention Ruby Ridge.

00:40:08.000 I think that's despicable what happened, that Agent Horiuchi fired through the building and killed, didn't know who he was shooting at, just fired through the building.

00:40:16.000 Well, that's his story.

00:40:17.000 Actually, in his testimony, he wanted to shoot the corner at a couple hundred yards, and Mickey Weaver was on the porch with a baby in her arms that was breastfeeding and he blew her head off and chunks of her skull went into the baby.

00:40:31.000 Oh, I understood she was in the house and he fired through the wall.

00:40:35.000 No, she was out the front door and he fired through the glass on the door. 0.62

00:40:40.000 So, what's the solution to this junta we have in Washington?

00:40:44.000 What do we do?

00:40:46.000 Junta's a good word. 1.00

00:40:47.000 Why don't you tell folks first what a junta is? 0.90

00:40:49.000 Well, that's like a dictatorship that's Basically, it's a dictatorship, and that's what we're living under.

00:40:57.000 A dictatorship of a crew.

00:40:58.000 It's not a single dictator.

00:41:00.000 It's a gang, a nest.

00:41:02.000 Well, you start with the head, and then it works out from there.

00:41:06.000 All their subsidiaries feeding on people.

00:41:09.000 The Nazis were a junta. 0.85

00:41:10.000 Like Halliburton Oil, for instance.

00:41:12.000 I mean, this is outrageous, what's going on and what we're doing.

00:41:15.000 I talk to people about this social security thing.

00:41:18.000 People are concerned about it, and what we need to do is go after these congressmen Well, it's like a gambler, and they're the casino.

00:41:35.000 They set up a system, get us hooked on it, gotta have it, because now they control the economy.

00:41:41.000 They set it up so we're dependent, where you can't get the good jobs in many cases, and even people who've worked and paid in their whole lives, they're saying, okay, we spent all the money in it, and so now we've got to give it over to the corporations, who I don't trust either, it's all the same group!

00:41:55.000 Well, and it's not we the corporations, it's supposed to be we the people.

00:41:59.000 We need to get back to that.

00:42:00.000 We need to go to public financing for elections, stop the PIC, stop the PAC, stop the hard money, stop the soft money.

00:42:08.000 But we've got to get into the details.

00:42:10.000 They told us campaign finance reform would stop corporations.

00:42:12.000 It doubled the money they could give and restricted the money you and I can give.

00:42:16.000 Oh, exactly.

00:42:17.000 That's the whole deal.

00:42:18.000 Everything's up is down.

00:42:19.000 They give you a national ID card, say it's to stop illegals. 1.00

00:42:23.000 Actually helps the illegals, but people believe the propaganda.

00:42:26.000 I mean, it's always the opposite.

00:42:27.000 Well, if we really wanted to stop the illegals, we'd secure the southern border. 0.99

00:42:31.000 I mean, what is going on in this country?

00:42:34.000 Why aren't... and nobody's admitting that they're Republicans anymore!

00:42:38.000 They've put up over 700 microphones that we know of in Austin, Texas, listening to the public, but they won't put them up on the border.

00:42:47.000 Sad.

00:42:48.000 So sad.

00:42:48.000 Thanks for the call.

00:42:49.000 Great points.

00:42:50.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:42:51.000 Charles in Pennsylvania.

00:42:52.000 Go ahead, Charles.

00:42:54.000 I was listening to O'Reilly.

00:42:57.000 That's what caused me to give you a call.

00:43:01.000 I wanted to make a comment about the ADL.

00:43:02.000 You mentioned it.

00:43:03.000 Did they put you on their website?

00:43:07.000 Yeah, they've done it several times.

00:43:09.000 Well, there's a book called The Other Side of Deception.

00:43:12.000 It's by a former Mossad agent named Victor Atrofsky.

00:43:17.000 And in that book, now this isn't Charlie saying this, this is Victor Atrofsky.

00:43:22.000 The ADL is an arm of the Mossad.

00:43:27.000 Well, the LAPD, and it also happened in San Francisco, raided them and found all the files.

00:43:35.000 Of course, it is Mossad.

00:43:38.000 It isn't an arm, it is Mossad.

00:43:43.000 It's so incredible that these people are here operating in our country and giving advice to our own intelligence agency against their own citizens.

00:43:54.000 They have been taken over by foreigners. 1.00

00:43:56.000 What I wanted to ask you about, and we've talked about this before, about the minions on these talk shows, like Mr. O'Reilly.

00:44:07.000 It's just unbelievable to me that they all have this same story about this 5 year old that they've handcuffed.

00:44:12.000 I don't know if you've noticed that.

00:44:13.000 It's so sickening.

00:44:17.000 They're talking about the five-year-old Michael Jackson or this runaway bride. 0.98

00:44:22.000 And the five-year-old is important, but not the runaway bride or Michael Jackson. 0.98

00:44:27.000 Yeah, that Michael Jackson thing, we should be able to sue him too, just to have to listen to that garbage.

00:44:33.000 But anyway, for them to... People with actual some intelligence, stating that it's okay Have handcuffed a five-year-old child. 0.92

00:44:46.000 Have the police come in.

00:44:47.000 I mean, what is it really going to take?

00:44:50.000 Three police.

00:44:51.000 Three police.

00:44:52.000 And no one asks, why was there a camera there to begin with?

00:44:56.000 See, we just organically, like it's part of our environment now, don't ask ourselves, why was there a camera in that first grade class?

00:45:04.000 Yeah, that's...

00:45:07.000 You automatically, and what you're saying is probably 10% of what really helped.

00:45:11.000 This stuff cannot possibly... Sir, from England to the U.S., every city is going to have a microphone pointed at every house.

00:45:19.000 This is the official federal plan.

00:45:22.000 That's 1984, my friend!

00:45:25.000 In yesterday's paper, they have the Secret Service in the Federal Building in Pittsburgh.

00:45:30.000 They have a two-page article about it.

00:45:32.000 Where they're monitoring people's computers and their emails.

00:45:36.000 Like, you know, like this is the thing to do!

00:45:39.000 And there's no response.

00:45:41.000 Nobody seems to even... No discussion of a Fourth Amendment?

00:45:44.000 No nothing?

00:45:45.000 It's an absolute... Why don't they just call them the secret police?

00:45:48.000 Why don't they call them the Stasi? 0.91

00:45:49.000 Okay, we're watching the bourgeoisie and the lumpen.

00:45:52.000 Well, they're doing... And thank you Charles, great point.

00:45:55.000 Can I ask what... Go ahead.

00:45:58.000 Go ahead.

00:45:59.000 I just wanted to tell you this other thing about, they took 400 children up in New York City, these foster children, and they put them into an HIV study without notifying their parents, not even notifying their foster parents.

00:46:16.000 With a very dangerous experimental chemical that killed some of them, thanks for the call.

00:46:22.000 And again, that's what you hear about in our media.

00:46:25.000 If you read the BBC and you read a few of the local New York papers, it never makes it out nationally, it's over 400.

00:46:32.000 That was one study.

00:46:34.000 If the foster parents refused to do it, they took them, took their check.

00:46:37.000 If the CPS workers refused, which some did have a conscience, they were fired.

00:46:41.000 But sir, hundreds of those children didn't even have HIV.

00:46:47.000 And this was a poisonous chemical that they wouldn't even give people who were dying of AIDS.

00:46:53.000 But, sir, type in, foster children, pesticides tested on foster children.

00:46:59.000 They killed children in New York.

00:47:01.000 Killed them!

00:47:03.000 By making them drink pesticides. 0.99

00:47:07.000 So that's your government.

00:47:08.000 I mean, I was on Jeff Ritt's program last night, I was talking to him, and we brought up DU.

00:47:14.000 The Army's own reports say that if you ingest it, it will kill you and then it causes deformities.

00:47:22.000 Our troops Children had tripled the deformities of the general public after the first Gulf War.

00:47:29.000 And speaking of triple, they used at least three times as much DU this go-around and this time in Big Six.

00:47:38.000 Now every year in Texas we get hit by this red dust and they tell us that it came from Central Asia.

00:47:44.000 And it blows across.

00:47:47.000 It starts blowing in Saudi Arabia, moves across Iran, Afghanistan, And blows and this thick red dust gets on our vehicles and they say on the news that it's from Mongolia and from Afghanistan.

00:48:02.000 The Earth's air recycles every 48 hours.

00:48:07.000 It goes into the rain.

00:48:09.000 They admit levels of DU are being picked up in water tables across the U.S.

00:48:13.000 Did you know they tested and used tons of DU off the coast?

00:48:18.000 This is admitted on an island That is less than a half mile away from a major city in Puerto Rico?

00:48:30.000 Folks!

00:48:31.000 Uranium!

00:48:32.000 New York Daily News didn't believe it, tested 14 troops who were dying.

00:48:37.000 All 14, none of them were hypochondriacs, all 14 had two rims of radiation in them.

00:48:43.000 And the new scientists did CAT scans of their lungs, a bunch of other troops.

00:48:47.000 Giant fogs everywhere.

00:48:49.000 They shrivel up, they die.

00:48:51.000 What type of elite do we have who knowingly knows this is bad and uses it twice in Iraq, once in Serbia, although they've had a quadrupling of deformities there, in Afghanistan and in ten sites in the United States.

00:49:08.000 Open air sites.

00:49:12.000 Folks, this is insanity.

00:49:15.000 Why does the elite do this?

00:49:18.000 It has a half-life of 500 million years.

00:49:22.000 That means it doesn't start weakening.

00:49:24.000 It's full strength!

00:49:27.000 Or what is it?

00:49:27.000 540-something million years.

00:49:32.000 It will be radioactive.

00:49:34.000 What was the number?

00:49:34.000 4.

00:49:35.000 40 billion years.

00:49:40.000 40 billion years.

00:49:44.000 Half-life of 40-something million.

00:49:46.000 400 million, excuse me.

00:49:48.000 I've got to dig these numbers up.

00:49:50.000 It's just mind-blowing.

00:49:51.000 When you get into these numbers, it's hard to... 45 million or 400 million?

00:49:58.000 I think it's 400 million of the half-life.

00:50:01.000 You know what?

00:50:02.000 Somebody dig it up online and call me the radioactive half-life.

00:50:05.000 It'll be on university websites of depleted uranium.

00:50:10.000 The point is it's millions of years.

00:50:11.000 And billions and billions until it's non-radioactive.

00:50:15.000 Not to mention the heavy metal effects of this.

00:50:17.000 This is blowing over here, it's not just over there.

00:50:22.000 What type of government feeds pesticides to children?

00:50:26.000 I mean, it was in the New York Daily News that they would go to a poor black mother and say, give us your 8 year old or we're going to take your 2 year old.

00:50:33.000 And she'd cry and give them the child.

00:50:35.000 And they'd take little Billy, And they even mention kids' names!

00:50:39.000 I even had families on about it!

00:50:40.000 When I was first talking about it three years ago, when I first learned.

00:50:42.000 Now the scandal's gotten bigger.

00:50:44.000 And they would give them these drugs.

00:50:46.000 Give them pesticides. 0.92

00:50:49.000 Some of them would die! 1.00

00:50:52.000 They would put our troops in a containment facility and nerve gas them and kill them. 1.00

00:50:56.000 Tell their family they died accidentally. 0.99

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00:54:10.000 All right, Scott running the show just went to the big federal regulatory agency on uranium plutonium, and I stand corrected.

00:54:25.000 The radioactive half-life is four and a half billion years on depleted Uranium.

00:54:31.000 Four and a half billion, but I know from memory, I've had Dr.

00:54:35.000 Rocky and others on who wrote the book on it and they were saying hundreds of millions of years ago it was 400 something million until it begins to lose some of its full power effect but does it matter what I mean it was a million it'd be bad enough it was a thousand it'd be bad enough four and a half billion so as usual it's much worse than I said going from memory I believe it loses all of its radioactive properties I believe it's over 40 billion years.

00:55:02.000 We can try to find that number.

00:55:03.000 But the half-life, before it starts degrading at all, is four and a half billion.

00:55:11.000 So, again, if it was a thousand or four and a half billion, it really doesn't matter, but it is four and a half billion, according to official government numbers.

00:55:20.000 I'm not really an expert on these things.

00:55:23.000 Boy, so, this is your government.

00:55:26.000 This is what they're doing.

00:55:28.000 And they used thousands and thousands of tons.

00:55:36.000 In Iraq, just this last go-around, they bombarded Republican Guard bases in Saddam's palaces.

00:55:44.000 They served out the ammunition for .50 cals for Bradley fighting vehicle guns.

00:55:52.000 It's not just in the 18 Warthogs or the Abrams sabot rounds anymore.

00:55:57.000 It is in scores.

00:56:00.000 The Pentagon has a list of it, of ammunition.

00:56:04.000 And there's been a few cases where the Iraqis are able to steal a tank round and they pry it out and take it and mold it into their own small arms rounds because they can take the big old, I don't know, two foot long Uranium rod out of the Abrams shell. 0.82

00:56:22.000 They can make a bunch of bullets out of it and just a little bitty 50 cal bullet shoots right through an Abrams.

00:56:27.000 Just right through it.

00:56:30.000 And we've had quite a few Abrams knocked out because of that.

00:56:37.000 And this stuff is so deadly.

00:56:40.000 And the globalists, their children are breathing it.

00:56:42.000 George Bush's daughters breathe it. 0.93

00:56:45.000 I see Bill Clinton on TV drinking Diet Coke, which aspartame is deadly.

00:56:49.000 I mean, they just revel in it!

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00:59:10.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:59:14.000 All right, second hour on this live Wednesday, the fourth day of May 2005 edition.

00:59:28.000 I'm Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor.

00:59:33.000 He's going to be joining us coming up in about 30 minutes, and of course they're going to be re-airing the presentation he gave on C-SPAN last Saturday, again this Saturday at 2.30 Eastern on Book TV on C-SPAN, C-SPAN I guess three For those that just joined us, but that's coming up.

00:59:52.000 I know we've got a lot of callers.

00:59:54.000 We'll get to you as well.

00:59:56.000 A lot of important police, state, and economic news we'll be covering.

01:00:01.000 But I heard about Tom Laughlin, and I was aware of some of his important feature films that he made back in the seventies, distributed by Fox and Warner Brothers, you name it.

01:00:16.000 I'm sure you've heard of the Billy Jack trilogy.

01:00:19.000 He's making a new one, but it's documentary style.

01:00:22.000 He's also made quite a few other award-winning documentaries.

01:00:24.000 He's considered one of the founding fathers of, really, the modern independent film movement in this country.

01:00:32.000 And he's now launching, via his website, an operation to expose the The world government fascist agenda being set up by the neocons right now.

01:00:44.000 So I was excited to hear about that.

01:00:46.000 So we've got him on with us.

01:00:47.000 And Tom, thanks for spending time with us today.

01:00:50.000 Thank you, Alex.

01:00:51.000 Thanks for having me.

01:00:51.000 Let me just jump in.

01:00:53.000 The new Billy Jack film is not a documentary.

01:00:56.000 It's going to be, again, Billy Jack is... I just saw that it said documentary style.

01:01:02.000 Huh?

01:01:03.000 I was reading a review, it said documentary style.

01:01:05.000 No, no, no.

01:01:06.000 It's going to break ground that no one has ever done before in a film.

01:01:09.000 It's going to be a full length Billy Jack feature film.

01:01:12.000 With six controversial themes, the political one is so inflammatory, but it's the least controversial, and four love stories, but it's going to combine, as no film has ever done before, it's going to combine the full-length feature picture with documentary footage, with real cinema verite, and computer graphics, like you see Forrest Gump talking with John Kennedy,

01:01:42.000 Well, you're going to see Billy Jack taking Bush head on in the computer graphics.

01:01:46.000 It's unlike any film ever done, but it's the sequel that people have been, the Billy Jack fans at least, have been waiting for.

01:01:53.000 All right.

01:01:53.000 I mean, I was just reading a review of it.

01:01:55.000 It said documentary footage inserted.

01:01:57.000 And so I was, that's where I came up with that.

01:01:59.000 Right.

01:02:00.000 Very interesting.

01:02:01.000 Why have you decided to get involved?

01:02:05.000 Well, the bottom line is this is a huge risk for Dolores and I. We paid our dues.

01:02:10.000 We deserve to retire.

01:02:11.000 But this country is plunging in the most dangerous way it has ever done in our short history.

01:02:18.000 I happen, you don't know this Alex, but I'm bragging to you, I happen to have be one of the real scholars of the foundation of this country, the Constitution and everything about it.

01:02:29.000 I'm probably the only non-professional scholar who's ever lectured on Jefferson under the dome in Virginia.

01:02:36.000 And Jefferson's motto, "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Well, these people have taken over this government in a way, if you know anything about fascism, I'm sure you do, there are several things they do.

01:02:56.000 Step one is you crush all opposition, all criticism, all dissent.

01:03:00.000 Not only from without, but from in your own party.

01:03:04.000 Number two, you then take control of all the key seats of government with your friends.

01:03:09.000 And they've done that.

01:03:11.000 They've taken over the executive branch.

01:03:13.000 They've taken over the legislative branch.

01:03:16.000 Completely controlling.

01:03:17.000 They've got most of the governors.

01:03:18.000 We've got a break sir, a long segment coming up.

01:03:20.000 I want to recap all this and get into your new film.

01:03:24.000 That's doing some revolutionary things with the way it's going to be produced.

01:03:27.000 And then I want to talk about 9-11 with you.

01:03:30.000 And I also want to Dissect what fascism is.

01:03:35.000 I don't really consider this fascism, I consider it neo-mercantilism, which is a more proper term to describe the system we're facing, but fascism's a good enough label. 1.00

01:03:45.000 We'll be right back with our guest.

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01:07:00.000 We've been given false terms, a false paradigm.

01:07:04.000 It's not about left or right, it's about right and wrong.

01:07:07.000 And the corporate owners of this world, of the 100 biggest economies, 45 of them are corporations, not governments, the corporate owners of our President, and the Democratic Party as well, are turning America into a textbook fascist police state, and using globalism, which is really just modern mercantilism, to control the nations of the world, bringing us into this corrupt world empire.

01:07:33.000 And I was on Tom Laughlin's great website.

01:07:36.000 He, of course, is an award-winning actor and writer and director.

01:07:42.000 A new Billy Jack movie coming out that's going to be revolutionary, and we'll talk about that some with him.

01:07:48.000 And as he was saying in the last segment, he's one of the few people that has, who wasn't, quote, one of the establishment scholars to be lecturing under the Jeffersonian Institution's dome.

01:07:59.000 And it's good to have him on with us, and he wanted to go through the different characteristics of fascism.

01:08:06.000 But before we go any further, for those who just joined us and who may not know who you are, most people probably do, tell us a little bit about yourself and again, why you're getting involved and what you think about what's currently happening in this country, sir.

01:08:20.000 Oh, what's happening is terrifying and that's why we're getting involved.

01:08:23.000 You know, my wife and I, Dolores Taylor, who is the co-star of the Billy Jack films, and we came out and made a film to try to change things, Billy Jack, and then we made several other Billy Jacks, including we redid Mr. Smith Goes to Washington to take on the nuclear industry.

01:08:41.000 But now what has happened now is so beyond anything, it's the most terrifying time in American history.

01:08:48.000 Let me give you one quick example.

01:08:50.000 What has not come out, and I'm sure your show has, but what no one else knows, is that before Bush was even sworn in as president, he not only had the plan, before he was even sworn in, before 9-11, he not only had the plan to invade Iraq, but he had a detailed plan of how to occupy it as a permanent he not only had the plan to invade Iraq, but he had Fourteen military bases permanent.

01:09:12.000 Now, why do you need those if you're going to go in and get people out?

01:09:16.000 He was going to build the largest, in this building, the largest embassy, 6,000 people in the world.

01:09:22.000 This was always about oil from the beginning.

01:09:25.000 What no one knows, and very few people know, is before the war, America and Britain were shut out of the oil fields.

01:09:33.000 China had the Mansour Field, Russia had the Ramallah Field, France had the largest ones, the Narbonne, Omar, etc.

01:09:43.000 We had none.

01:09:45.000 And, unknown reserves of oil were found in Iraq, 250 billion barrels, that make it the largest and richest oil nation in the world, far surpassing Saudi Arabia, who hasn't found a new oil field since the 1970s.

01:10:00.000 So what we did, what he did, was invade it as an oil colony. 0.72

01:10:05.000 And he invaded it for that, so to this day, You know, 1,500 American, beautiful American, these are mothers and fathers.

01:10:14.000 More than that.

01:10:15.000 They're leaving kids orphans.

01:10:16.000 They've died or been terminally mutilated for haliburton oil.

01:10:21.000 Well, 300 to 500,000 Iraqis have been mutilated for a lie!

01:10:27.000 And the lie they told us, which now everyone knows was a lie, they knew was a lie back at the beginning.

01:10:34.000 Let me just interject something here, Tom.

01:10:36.000 People like to focus on Richard Clark and say, oh, sour grapes, or on the Treasury Secretary O'Neill, but Dick Cheney in the PNAC document, Rebuilding America's Defenses, published by him September 20th, 2000, says Saddam is not a threat.

01:10:36.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:10:54.000 But, claiming he has weapons of mass destruction is a good pretext to invade and use Iraq as a military base to then invade Iran and Syria and set up hegemony.

01:11:06.000 So, it's... But the media ignores that when we have his... And then he said we need a helpful Pearl Harbor style attack.

01:11:16.000 Were you aware of that?

01:11:17.000 Oh, yes.

01:11:18.000 Absolutely aware of it.

01:11:19.000 Go back to 1972 when Cheney and Wolfowitz Did, you know, what we now call the Bush Doctrine for Bush Senior, which was to dominate and control the world.

01:11:29.000 It's all spelled out, the most fascist, imperialistic document in American history.

01:11:33.000 Well, that doesn't mean... The fact is, the day after 9-11 happened, Rumsfeld called in everybody, all 15 intelligence agencies and said, he wants proof that Hussein was 9-11, Al Qaeda, WMD, nuclear, go get me the proof.

01:11:48.000 After four months of hearing, every single agency came back and told him there was absolutely no connection.

01:11:57.000 There wasn't faulty intelligence.

01:11:59.000 What Rumsfeld said was, that's not good enough, give us your own raw data and we'll come up with our own conclusion.

01:12:06.000 He then formed a secret intelligence unit inside the Pentagon.

01:12:10.000 And they made up all what they are still referring to as faulty intelligence.

01:12:14.000 And they didn't want to put their name on it, so they took a graduate student's article written 12 years before, and then claimed that MI6 gave it to them.

01:12:23.000 Yes, exactly.

01:12:24.000 Ray McGovern, a veteran of 27 years CIA.

01:12:29.000 We used to be on George Bush Senior's briefing committee, etc.

01:12:33.000 Robert Baer and others, all these people told the truth.

01:12:36.000 We didn't air it here, we aired it on BBC, but they all said there was no connection.

01:12:41.000 Colleen Rowley, a terror investigation for the FBI, said not only isn't there, but if you invade them, you will create a insurgency you've never had.

01:12:50.000 Alex, I don't mean to use words that are nasty, but I can use bull spit.

01:12:55.000 Bull spit! 0.99

01:12:57.000 That it's coming out now is that we brought freedom and democracy to America.

01:13:00.000 Let me ask you a question, sir.

01:13:01.000 I mean, to Iraq.

01:13:02.000 It is so insane to say that.

01:13:05.000 It is insane.

01:13:06.000 Let me give you a simple example.

01:13:10.000 Before the war, all kinds of people, including Sean Penn, could walk the streets of Iraq and envy the people.

01:13:16.000 Today, even reporters can't spend more than 10 or 20 minutes and they'll be killed.

01:13:21.000 It's a bloodbath, beyond a bloodbath. 0.99

01:13:24.000 Uh, because of the hated American. 0.99

01:13:26.000 We are seen as fascist occupants, which we are!

01:13:29.000 We invaded it for the oil, made up all this other nonsense, and now we turn around and say there exists a democracy, which is really a Vichy puppet government, and Chalabi, you know who Chalabi went to school with in the United States? 0.82

01:13:44.000 Wolfowitz.

01:13:45.000 He's one of their... He's a Straussian.

01:13:47.000 Huh?

01:13:48.000 He's a Straussian.

01:13:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:51.000 So the point is, all of these lies to get all these beautiful American and hundreds of thousands of beautiful Iraqi innocent civilians and children blood flowing.

01:14:03.000 So our number one crusade of this movie is to end the war.

01:14:07.000 We're going to end the war and the way we're going to do it, Alex, will thrill your viewers.

01:14:12.000 We're going to hold an open televised public hearing to impeach Bush and Cheney, not government, not... We sat there and said, why is it only the government officials hold these hearings?

01:14:24.000 I mean, why don't the people hold their own hearings?

01:14:27.000 So this is going to be, the panel is going to be people who are victims of the war, eleven people, and we're going to hold a hearing to see and give all this stuff, all the truth about why we're there and why these people are dying for Halliburton Oil.

01:14:41.000 I mean, you know, this is treason.

01:14:44.000 And bribery!

01:14:46.000 Cheney got 33 million dollars from Halliburton Lawyer as a so-called bonus, and since then, by the way, since then he's done nothing but deliver in spades for Halliburton, and as you know, in dozens of ways.

01:15:00.000 But no one is saying anything!

01:15:01.000 Everything is afraid!

01:15:03.000 All of the great celebrities that came out against the war, Sean Penn, Michael... the guy from... President, what's his name?

01:15:14.000 Tom, take a breath for a second.

01:15:18.000 I've got to tell you something here.

01:15:19.000 You haven't heard from any of them, they're afraid.

01:15:21.000 I don't think you can hear me.

01:15:22.000 Can you boost his audio?

01:15:23.000 Hey, Tom.

01:15:24.000 Yeah.

01:15:25.000 Yeah.

01:15:25.000 Can you hear me?

01:15:26.000 Okay, good.

01:15:27.000 You're making a lot of good points, and we've gone over these before many times, believe me.

01:15:31.000 I have a very well-informed audience.

01:15:33.000 I do want to talk about when your film's going to come out and What it's going to be covering, but if I could, just first, because you're a good person, obviously, you're active, you're involved, I'd like to perhaps, because I'm sure you're very informed and you sound very intelligent, I'd like to give you just my little piece of knowledge to hopefully help you a little bit.

01:15:56.000 Right.

01:15:59.000 Use Bush and Cheney as their puppets.

01:16:01.000 I mean, they're making hundreds of billions a year off the weapon sales and oil.

01:16:06.000 Cheney gets 30-something million.

01:16:07.000 These are mid-level puppets.

01:16:09.000 And the globalists have given us a false, left-right choice of, oh, the UN's going to save us from the evil Anglo-American establishment.

01:16:18.000 But what I'm telling you is, is that when you go to the higher levels, it's all owned by the same people, and they're playing good cop, bad cop across the Atlantic.

01:16:29.000 So many people who are out there, who are speaking about these issues, Tom, never are putting the pieces together.

01:16:37.000 And what I liked about your website is you point out how the Democrats are bought and paid for as well.

01:16:42.000 Do you have any comments on that?

01:16:43.000 Oh, first of all, you're dead right.

01:16:45.000 I know everything that you're saying, and you're absolutely right.

01:16:48.000 And the multinational oligarchy is one of the three fascist groups that control Bush and Cheney.

01:16:55.000 The others are the idealists, the Wolfowitz Group, and the other are the really fascist, right-wing evangelicals.

01:17:03.000 Now, I also happen to have a huge history in Christianity, and the way we're attacking them, they have perverted and distorted the Gospels of Christ from Jesus' real teachings, and we're going to take them on and show people these are not Christian at all! 0.90

01:17:18.000 Well, tell us about the film.

01:17:20.000 They have to be stopped.

01:17:21.000 The film, see, I look at my shelf here, Alex, there's 150 books there on Bush, all of them brilliant, but who cares?

01:17:28.000 Nobody reads.

01:17:29.000 Unless there's a megaphone.

01:17:30.000 You've got a radio show and you have a listening audience that is powerful and very effective, but it's a small group.

01:17:37.000 Compared to when a film goes out there and becomes an international monument, that's a megaphone that somebody has to do to get all of the stuff you know, your viewers know, all of us know, to get that out into the world.

01:17:52.000 For the mainstream people who don't give a damn about politics.

01:17:55.000 Who never watch Meet the Press on Sunday morning.

01:17:59.000 That's why we're making this film.

01:18:00.000 There's no other way this country is going to be saved.

01:18:03.000 Unless someone dares to risk.

01:18:05.000 Uh, you know, taking, making a major feature picture and giving all of the voice, giving voice to you and all of the people who know all this stuff.

01:18:15.000 Otherwise, you're just going to be on C-SPAN and some talk show radios and write a book.

01:18:21.000 But the main public is going to remain untouched.

01:18:24.000 And that's why it's crucial.

01:18:26.000 Crucial that we make a feature that's the size of Billy Jack.

01:18:30.000 Just so you know, Billy Jack is the most profitable independent film ever made.

01:18:35.000 Some people say My Fat Greek Wedding.

01:18:37.000 They sold 37 million tickets U.S.

01:18:40.000 We sold 57 million when there were 100 million less people in the U.S.

01:18:43.000 Well, I'll tell you what, Tom, stay there.

01:18:45.000 Final segment with you.

01:18:45.000 We've got a break again.

01:18:46.000 This is intriguing.

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01:22:54.000 The Genesis Communications Radio Network proudly presents the Alex Jones Show.

01:23:00.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

01:23:04.000 Waging war on corruption.

01:23:06.000 Crashing through the lies and disinformation.

01:23:08.000 I was talking to him during the break.

01:23:10.000 There's no way to get all the great info that our guest has in 30 minutes, so I'm going to set him up for a full hour here very soon.

01:23:16.000 He's agreed to do that.

01:23:18.000 The website's billyjack.com, billyjack.com.

01:23:22.000 We have a link to it at infowars.com.

01:23:25.000 We were just ranting and raving to each other during the four-minute break about vaccines and the mercury and how they appoint these whitewash commissions and about just all of it. 0.96

01:23:37.000 And he's right.

01:23:38.000 I mean, they are really bringing this country down.

01:23:41.000 They're destroying it.

01:23:42.000 They're not just damaging it.

01:23:43.000 Here in the last few minutes we've got, sir, can you talk more about your film, more about these citizens' trials to get attention, these public trials to expose the whitewash, and can you also get a little bit into if you think we can bring these criminals down? 0.94

01:23:59.000 Yeah.

01:24:00.000 The quick thing is in the Billy Jack film, in the political part of it, We take on the corruption of, we show in a way the public, even your audience has, but even other than that, they don't know what really has gone on behind the scenes to create this war and the lying of these people and the fascist destruction.

01:24:17.000 So we give you that information in a way.

01:24:20.000 Quickly, just quick, did you know that we sent Hussein into Kuwait? 0.98

01:24:24.000 We give you the hard evidence, the detailed evidence by three of the people who were involved.

01:24:30.000 And we sent him in there as a lesson.

01:24:32.000 All of the stuff we've been told is such a lie, and look at the beautiful people that are being murdered every day, the American soldiers who believe in these guys!

01:24:40.000 So the film shows this beautiful exit plan, and let me give it to you, Alex, it's very simple.

01:24:46.000 Once you understand that the whole reason we are in Iraq is for a private oil colony for Halliburton and Friends Oil, all you have to do to end our involvement there, and end it in 90 days, Is give back the oil to the French, the Chinese, and the Russians who we stole it from. 0.57

01:25:03.000 Give it to the Iraqis, the least of them. 1.00

01:25:05.000 They'll bring in their troops. 0.94

01:25:07.000 They're not the fascist, hated occupiers who stole the oil.

01:25:10.000 And we get out and it's over.

01:25:12.000 All we have to do is give back the oil.

01:25:14.000 But of course, Bush is never going to do that.

01:25:16.000 So the film goes ahead to impeach him.

01:25:17.000 And the way we impeach him, we don't, we're not Congress.

01:25:20.000 They say, why don't we just have a panel of the victims of the war who are an 11 person panel who conduct Just like an investigation, only it's open and on television, and we test and we show how this has all been about oil, how the lies to get us in there are horrendous, how the lies keeping us there are even more horrendous, and we then

01:25:44.000 The people in the movie just, you know, once they understand what really is going on, which they can't get now through the corporate-owned media, boy, they pour into the streets by the tens of millions.

01:25:54.000 And we're out of that war!

01:25:56.000 And we impeach Bush and Cheney.

01:25:57.000 People think that the reason Clinton was impeached because it was a Republican Congress.

01:26:02.000 Just the opposite.

01:26:03.000 Robert Barr, when he tried to get him impeached, the Republicans didn't want any part of it.

01:26:07.000 It was going to backfire.

01:26:08.000 So they refused to.

01:26:09.000 He had to go out and do a grassroots movement.

01:26:11.000 So our trial, our open trial, and I begged your listeners to go to our website.

01:26:17.000 BillyJack.com and see how it works because once people understand how they can have their own hearings, you don't have to have Congress hold a hearing.

01:26:26.000 You don't have to... The people can hold their own.

01:26:29.000 On Vioxx, on all of these issues to them, it can be a no political weapon people can use and the movie is going to show you how to do that.

01:26:37.000 But before that, we're going to do our own in September On impeaching Bush and Cheney is the only way to end this war and stop the hemorrhaging of these beautiful... And make it a big production and get the local media out there and if we have hundreds of these across the country it could push it over the edge.

01:26:54.000 Oh it will.

01:26:55.000 We're going to build the same grassroots movement to impeach Bush and Cheney.

01:27:00.000 As Barr did back then when he finally brought so much pressure, the Republicans who didn't want to impeach him did the impeachment inquiry.

01:27:07.000 So we're going to do that.

01:27:08.000 We're going to end this war and we're going to impeach these guys and it's got to be done instead of talking about it.

01:27:14.000 Okay, here's the problem.

01:27:15.000 What do you do when Bush nukes a city or releases smallpox and blames it on enemies and says, you guys held me back from protecting you, it's your fault?

01:27:25.000 Make sure he doesn't do that.

01:27:27.000 By the way, one of the things we have in here is you tell me why it's moral for us to go with our Congress, the UN, whatever, and say, let's invade a country.

01:27:37.000 Why isn't it more moral to say, go to the Senate, get approval, and declare, say, Hussein a war criminal. 0.55

01:27:44.000 And we go after him instead of invade the country and kill innocent people.

01:27:47.000 Because then they wouldn't get the oil and have the weapon sales and use Iraq as a launch base against Iran and Syria. 0.90

01:27:52.000 Exactly.

01:27:53.000 And by the way, I want to leave you with this, Alex.

01:27:55.000 You know why these oil prices are so high, the gas prices?

01:27:58.000 In that occupation plan before he was even sworn in, Bush had one in his first term.

01:28:05.000 They would make sure he made OPEC, because he now owned, he is OPEC.

01:28:08.000 He controlled OPEC that they could never go below $40 a barrel, and in his second term, if he won it, they were going to push it to $60,000.

01:28:15.000 No, I know!

01:28:16.000 Their own documents show they've jacked it up, and then they act like he's meeting with the Crown Prince to drive down prices.

01:28:22.000 It's unbelievable.

01:28:23.000 And that's the charade people have.

01:28:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:28:25.000 We're going to show in the film how that works.

01:28:27.000 Alright, BillyJack.com, Tom Laughlin, I want to get you back on for a full hour soon.

01:28:33.000 As soon as you can.

01:28:33.000 We're rolling.

01:28:34.000 We're ready to fight now.

01:28:36.000 God bless you, sir.

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01:28:37.000 Bless you.

01:28:38.000 And Alex, God bless you for fighting all these years.

01:28:40.000 God bless you, man.

01:28:41.000 You're a real patriot.

01:28:42.000 Thank you, sir.

01:28:44.000 We're on the march.

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01:32:55.000 Now he's going to make a new Billy Jack film, but it's going to be a huge trial, basically, exposing Lord Bush.

01:33:01.000 During the break we were talking, when I was about to say farewell, and you said that people don't know that we can win, people don't know that we can take action.

01:33:09.000 In 60 seconds, please tell the listeners what you told me, because it's so true.

01:33:14.000 Exactly.

01:33:14.000 People are afraid, people are terrified, and people believe it's impossible.

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01:33:46.000 Remember, Clinton was impeached only because of a major grassroots movement that forced the Republican Senate, who didn't want to touch that issue.

01:33:54.000 Yeah, they tried to protect him.

01:33:55.000 They're going to do it.

01:33:57.000 Alright, well, billysack.com, thank you so much for joining us, Tom.

01:34:00.000 And by the way, say hello to David Ray.

01:34:03.000 Tell him he's a hero for what he knew about Pearl Harbor and said.

01:34:07.000 All right, well, David is on with you right now, so we're going to transfer him over in a minute and get him on air.

01:34:13.000 Thank you for coming on, Tom.

01:34:14.000 Thanks, Alex.

01:34:14.000 Great.

01:34:15.000 Thanks for having me, and I'll look forward to chatting more.

01:34:18.000 Boy, he's a riveting guy.

01:34:18.000 God bless.

01:34:19.000 I got a chance to talk to him during the breaks.

01:34:21.000 He knows what he's talking about, too.

01:34:23.000 Okay, now joining us is David Ray Griffin.

01:34:27.000 He's a professor and written some amazing books, and obviously a lot of you got a chance to see him on C-SPAN.

01:34:34.000 And I think that he'd probably do a better job than I can of giving us a thumbnail sketch of who David Ray Griffin is, for those that don't know.

01:34:43.000 Mr. Griffin, thanks for coming on with us.

01:34:45.000 Hi, Alex.

01:34:47.000 I've learned a lot from your show about 9-11 and other things, so I'm very glad to be on.

01:34:52.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:34:54.000 It's an honor.

01:34:55.000 I've read your new Pearl Harbor.

01:34:56.000 I haven't read your new 9-11 Commission report.

01:35:01.000 But I did get a chance to see you on C-SPAN this weekend.

01:35:04.000 For those that don't know who you are, tell us in a nutshell who David Ray Griffin is.

01:35:09.000 Well, I've just retired from teaching Philosophy of Religion and Theology at the School of Theology at Claremont.

01:35:15.000 So I've been teaching for some thirty-some years.

01:35:22.000 I've written books on all sorts of topics.

01:35:26.000 It was the first book on 9-11, The New Pearl Harbor, which was my first strongly political book.

01:35:36.000 Well, it's a powerful book.

01:35:37.000 Tell us about the new book.

01:35:40.000 The new book is called The 9-11 Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions, and that's kind of a mild Subtitle, I could have just called it a 567 page lie, because when you get into it, it's just incredible the things they omit.

01:36:00.000 Well, it's also contradictory.

01:36:03.000 And self-contradictory, and most of all, contradicts all sorts of other facts, including what NORAD had been telling us for almost three years.

01:36:13.000 Now, again, you went over this on C-SPAN last weekend.

01:36:16.000 I've been told that your hour talk and 30 minutes of questions is going to be re-aired this Saturday?

01:36:21.000 That's right.

01:36:22.000 It'll be this Saturday at 2.30 Eastern Time.

01:36:27.000 All right, David, I agree with everything you were saying in what I think was a kindly presentation.

01:36:33.000 You could have been a lot more vicious, but you very, in a very calm way, presented the three different views of 9-11.

01:36:39.000 And I got from what you were saying in your books that, I mean, clearly you're resting, and I want to put words in your mouth, leaning towards the third.

01:36:48.000 That's where all the evidence points.

01:36:50.000 But something, I want to cover this first off, you know, out of the gates here.

01:36:55.000 The first thing you covered, Uh, at the end of your major presentation about ways to deal with this was a world democracy.

01:37:05.000 And I've seen UN documents and globalist documents going back ten years where they say the people are going to wake up to the to the Anglo-American establishment, which is now run by the neocons, England and the US, this power axis, and so we've got to give them a choice.

01:37:20.000 We'll give them a UN, quote, liberal choice, but then I look at who owns and controls the UN and the agencies that fund it and control it.

01:37:28.000 It's the same corporations.

01:37:29.000 They're playing good cop, bad cop.

01:37:31.000 You didn't elaborate on that, but I want to get your exact view on that so I understand it.

01:37:37.000 Yeah, well, my view is I'm not talking about just strengthening the UN.

01:37:45.000 And I should say, you know, my focus now is on 9-11 and the American Empire and trying to get the truth out about these things.

01:37:55.000 The question of what's the alternative is a very important question and that's what I'm going to address in my future books.

01:38:02.000 Let me just say very briefly what I have in mind is, you know, we're all in favor of democracy.

01:38:09.000 But we mean real democracy, not plutocracy.

01:38:12.000 So we mean a real democracy where money doesn't determine the votes, but just the people's basic values and wishes.

01:38:22.000 So the idea of global democracy is simply that if democracy is the right form of government for a nation, why shouldn't it be the right form of order for the world as a whole, so that the people of the world can start directing their own affairs and taking care of their planet rather than having uh... one nation dictating or at most seven nations dictating the global economy.

01:38:44.000 Yeah, the G7, G8, but let's elaborate on that for a second then we'll get into 9-11 because that's why you're here but in your talk you crowned it with what we're now discussing so we need to kind of extrapolate here and and and and to get to the bottom of it if you're talking about an alliance of free nation states

01:39:02.000 Through mutual treaties together, standing up against, of the 100 biggest economies, 45 of them are corporations as you know, if you're talking about the people banding together against this powerful power block, then I agree with you.

01:39:16.000 But if it's some fake left maneuver through the UN, that's going to be a false flag, a false savior, good cop, bad cop operation.

01:39:26.000 And I've read the Globalist saying that's part of their plan, David.

01:39:30.000 And so, that's what I'm getting at here.

01:39:32.000 Well, you know, there are different globalists, and there's the so-called globalization from above, which is what you're rightly worried about.

01:39:42.000 And then there's what many people call globalization from below, which is really what democracy would be.

01:39:50.000 But I say, you know, these are very complex issues, which my book on this is going to be a very long and complex book in which I Do lay out what I hold, but most basically, I think what we need now is to see that we need to move to a democratic world.

01:40:10.000 And then there'll be all sorts of debates about what's the proper, what's the best means.

01:40:15.000 But I agree with the Founding Fathers. 0.65

01:40:17.000 I'm not for a pure democracy because 51% could say all blacks are slaves.

01:40:22.000 I'm for a republic system where you have a Bill of Rights and you look at Article 30 and 31 of the UN Charter, it erases the previous 29 rights that sound wonderful.

01:40:33.000 So that's, that's what I'm talking about being a threat.

01:40:36.000 Well, and that's absolutely essential, and I would think we would have, it would have to be what we would call a modified democracy, that is, the kind that we have, and I would advocate that we would have a global bill of rights and responsibilities, and in my C-SPAN lecture I was emphasizing the fact that beneath all the differences of the various religions and cultural traditions,

01:41:05.000 There is a set of basic universal human values that we all do share and that they're diametrically opposed to the The values of the global plutocracy.

01:41:19.000 But the globalists are using the media they own to warp our values and literally give us what I would call satanic world values of do-as-thou-will predatory system where we all feed on each other.

01:41:32.000 That's absolutely right.

01:41:33.000 In fact, I have as a theologian, I use the term the demonic to refer to this kind of values that have been dominating us increasingly and the In the world.

01:41:48.000 And so, what I would be talking about would be a form of global order that would be diametrically opposed to that kind of globalism that you're rightly opposed to.

01:42:01.000 So you're saying this global system, though, wouldn't force, quote, a rogue nation to join it?

01:42:06.000 Well, I'd say there are all sorts of difficult questions.

01:42:09.000 But I'm asking you.

01:42:11.000 Well, I have not even finished my book on this.

01:42:15.000 I'll be very glad to come back and talk about it when I've worked out my ideas on it.

01:42:20.000 Right now I'm still focusing on 9-11 and the... Would you like me to send you UN and Ex-Im Bank and IMF decade-old plans to give people a false left choice?

01:42:31.000 Sure, I'm interested to get all the information I can.

01:42:35.000 Alright, well I appreciate you letting me diatribe on that subject.

01:42:38.000 It's just that, David, I think you've done a fabulous job exposing 9-11, but if we take that energy I have said from the day of 9-11, of course two months before 9-11, I said they'd use Bin Laden to take the blame, who's their agent, when the military industrial complex attacks the World Trade Center. 0.75

01:42:56.000 And then day one I went on air and said they did it, and I took all the heat for it, and I've since seen other people rise up and then try to limit the debate, which I know you've never done.

01:43:05.000 I commend you for You know, looking at all views, but I did warn people that the truth of 9-11 would be allowed out into Europe and the rest of the world as a way to demonize America, and I want to point out the neocons themselves are nothing but a capo regime for a larger global mafia, and they're letting their minions take all the blame for it.

01:43:33.000 Yeah, I'd say there's much going on behind the scenes that the people are not allowed to see, and certainly the mainstream media doesn't do much to give us a glimpse of that.

01:43:45.000 Alright, let's get into your presentation in kind of a condensed form, if you would be so kind, sir, of what you did on C-SPAN, because I think it's a good argument, a technique, just with the facts, that I found to be extremely effective and powerful.

01:44:02.000 Well, with regard to American Empire, I pointed out that there are two basic ideas anymore.

01:44:09.000 There's no longer debate whether there is an American Empire.

01:44:13.000 That was the old debate.

01:44:14.000 But now it's just, is it benign or not benign?

01:44:19.000 And you have, of course, a powerful majority arguing that, of course, we're an empire, but we're the first benign empire in history, most magnanimous.

01:44:31.000 Because what we're doing is going out trying to bring freedom and democracy and human rights to the world.

01:44:36.000 But every empire says that!

01:44:38.000 Every empire has said that.

01:44:40.000 We just have much more mass media to communicate our message.

01:44:45.000 Then I argued that with 9-11 there are four basic views and of course which view you hold will have a great effect on what you think about the American empire.

01:44:56.000 The first view of course is the official view that That 19 Muslims out-tricked our trillion-dollar defense system and they were able to bring down three buildings. 1.00

01:45:09.000 First time in history steel frame high-rise buildings have ever been brought down apart from controlled demolition.

01:45:16.000 So these guys were very bright.

01:45:18.000 That's the official story.

01:45:20.000 Second view is that, well, that was right, but what we mean by 9-11 is really the fact the United States used it opportunistically to advance the American Empire.

01:45:35.000 The third view is that the official story is more false because we actually the US agencies knew in advance that the attacks were going to occur and deliberately let them occur in order to advance the American Empire and that also includes of course the pretext for passing the Patriot Act and And other domestic policies.

01:46:02.000 And then finally, the fourth view is that yes, they did have foreign knowledge, but the main reason they had foreign knowledge is that they actually planned and orchestrated and carried out the events.

01:46:13.000 Oh, so it's four views.

01:46:14.000 My memory failed me.

01:46:16.000 Which view, Mr. Griffin, on the record do you believe is, with all the evidence, which view do you think is probably what happened?

01:46:25.000 Well, as I said on the air, There is considerable evidence for the third view, but there is even more evidence, and of course that doesn't contradict the third view evidence, for the fourth view, so that there are just so many things about what happened 9-11.

01:46:43.000 It could only be that they ran the whole operation.

01:46:46.000 That's right, and for people who haven't heard this before, and of course that wouldn't be many people listening to your show, But other people, they immediately say, oh, that's outrageous, that's impermissible, you're going beyond the bounds of civilized speech, and so on.

01:47:03.000 And give all these a priori arguments.

01:47:05.000 Our own government wouldn't do that.

01:47:06.000 They're emotional.

01:47:07.000 That just couldn't be.

01:47:09.000 That's impossible.

01:47:10.000 So, all I ask is that people will not dismiss it out of hand.

01:47:16.000 Well, we have the official government documents over and over again.

01:47:18.000 We have Gladio.

01:47:20.000 We have Northwoods.

01:47:21.000 We have where the government admits they carry out terror attacks.

01:47:25.000 That's right.

01:47:26.000 But again, most people are not informed about that.

01:47:29.000 You probably wouldn't find More than one or two people in a hundred who would know about Operation Northwood.

01:47:38.000 And that's after three and a half, four years of us harping on it.

01:47:42.000 That's right.

01:47:43.000 Vanford's book came out about that long ago.

01:47:47.000 Yeah, it came out in early 2001.

01:47:48.000 Yeah.

01:47:51.000 It's unbelievable.

01:47:52.000 So, I mean, we can't blame the people for holding these views because insofar as they rely on mainstream media, that's the view they are taught about America and our leaders, and it's just mandatory that we have shows such as yours and many others that give an alternative view, I want to get more into 9-11, but right now I want to bring this up to you.

01:48:22.000 I know the globalists did it, I know they executed it, and I know they're arrogant right now because they're going to do it again real soon unless we expose who's behind it, then they lose their motive.

01:48:31.000 I think that the next attack is going to be much bigger.

01:48:33.000 I don't put it past the globalists, but that made a nuke in this country. 0.99

01:48:37.000 I don't put it past them to release smallpox.

01:48:39.000 I see the same pre-positioning and pre-programming going on in the media right now that I saw before 9-11.

01:48:46.000 And I think we're in a race to shift the paradigm and then they may back off.

01:48:51.000 What do you think?

01:48:54.000 Well, I'm afraid you're right that when they need another big surge and as the present regime gets more and more unpopular, the appeal is always to fear and we will protect you.

01:49:07.000 So, I'm afraid you're quite likely right that they're at least seriously considering it.

01:49:15.000 Whether there's anything that we can do, whether we can inform enough people in time to make them back off, it would be hard to know.

01:49:25.000 We're in a race, ladies and gentlemen.

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01:54:53.000 David Ray Griffin, how do people get your book or your books?

01:54:57.000 I've seen them in some bookstores.

01:54:59.000 Or is there a website?

01:55:00.000 How should we get your books?

01:55:02.000 Well, there are lots of ways.

01:55:04.000 As we like to say, you can get them at good bookstores everywhere.

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01:55:32.000 Alright, so the two books of the New Pearl Harbor and the 9-11 Commission Report And what's the full title?

01:55:41.000 Yeah, the subtitle is Omissions and Distortions.

01:55:44.000 I was sent a copy, but I didn't bring it to the office today.

01:55:45.000 I apologize.

01:55:47.000 David, let's continue.

01:55:48.000 We're going to go into the next hour.

01:55:50.000 What are some of the issues you want to discuss concerning 9-11?

01:55:53.000 I mean, I want to focus in on the fourth part and the evidence for that.

01:55:56.000 Is that okay?

01:55:57.000 Sure.

01:55:58.000 Let's go ahead and start getting into the fourth view on 9-11.

01:56:00.000 The fourth view on 9/11.

01:56:02.000 Okay, well, there are several parts of the story that simply cannot be explained apart from it being, at least partly, an inside job.

01:56:17.000 One of those, of course, is the collapse of the towers.

01:56:21.000 And as your listeners know, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never come down in the history of this universe.

01:56:31.000 Solely because of fire or because of fire and the impact of the planes.

01:56:36.000 And of course, Building 7 didn't have any plane hit it.

01:56:40.000 Furthermore, when you look, you know, people come up with these scenarios of how these buildings might have come down and they allege they were poorly built with weak trusses and all that.

01:56:53.000 And of course, that's all false.

01:56:55.000 But even if one could could Countenance, the pancake theory.

01:57:01.000 With the Twin Towers, you've still got those enormous steel columns.

01:57:07.000 Massive steel columns that constituted the major weight-bearing part.

01:57:13.000 And the 9-11 report just says those didn't exist.

01:57:16.000 That's right.

01:57:16.000 That's one of the two or three biggest lies.

01:57:19.000 As they say, most of the weight was borne by the exterior columns and the The core of their buildings consisted of a hollow steel shaft just filled with elevators and stairwells.

01:57:34.000 So they denied the most distinctive thing about those buildings when they were built.

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01:58:57.000 There's four views on 9-11.

01:58:59.000 I think David Ray Griffin has really said that properly when he stated that.

01:59:04.000 We've gone over the four views.

01:59:06.000 The fourth view is that the government was basically purely behind her.

01:59:09.000 Criminal elements of it orchestrated it.

01:59:11.000 And as he said, the predominant evidence, the majority of the totally documented evidence, it all points and supports that.

01:59:19.000 As I've been saying since day one of September 11th.

01:59:23.000 Let's continue with part four in describing the evidence.

01:59:27.000 You were talking about the collapse of the towers.

01:59:31.000 Well, yes.

01:59:32.000 The towers have at least ten characteristics of controlled demolition.

01:59:39.000 That is, where explosives are precisely placed throughout the buildings in order to bring them down in a way that they don't topple over all the buildings around them.

01:59:49.000 I mean, if those buildings had come down Some other way, they would have killed, you know, hundreds of thousands of people and destroyed much of lower Manhattan.

02:00:01.000 So it was very important that they be brought down straight down as in controlled demolition.

02:00:07.000 And anybody who's looked at the websites that have these can see that all three buildings do exactly that.

02:00:13.000 There is no other way that such buildings can come down.

02:00:16.000 If your building was owned by Larry Silverstein with a double insurance policy, it was totally destroyed.

02:00:21.000 But if it wasn't, it got light damage.

02:00:24.000 That did seem to be an interesting coincidence, didn't it?

02:00:28.000 And then he says that they pulled Building 7, but we're supposed to ignore that.

02:00:32.000 Yeah, and then as was revealed on your show, Giuliani says he knew ahead of time that the towers were going to come down.

02:00:43.000 How in the world could anybody have known ahead of time, because as I say, that has never happened before.

02:00:49.000 There would have been no reason to predict the towers would have come down, and as you stressed on your show, the firemen going up the South Tower You know, we're very calm and thought they had the fire under control.

02:01:02.000 There was not a thought in anybody's mind that the towers might collapse.

02:01:06.000 We had the initial plane set, the jet fuel burns, catches some low-burning fires, wouldn't even get near melting steel, then it almost completely burned out.

02:01:15.000 In the North Tower, people are hanging out the windows, wouldn't melt their flesh, but it'll melt four-foot-around steel-reinforced beams sprayed with asbestos to protect them.

02:01:25.000 It's ridiculous!

02:01:27.000 And even more ridiculous is the story about the South Tower, because, as you know, a good deal of the fuel burned outside and created that enormous fireball that was great for TV effects, but that meant there was very little fuel left to feed the fire inside, and therefore the fire in the South Tower was burning down Even more quickly. 0.80

02:01:54.000 Well, the firefighters reported two small fires in that building.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, and in building, and that's true of building 7, where the pictures that we have from various locations show that there were fires only on the 7th and 12th floors of that massive 47-story building, and they want to tell us that... And the Commission doesn't even mention that building.

02:02:19.000 No, uh, the, uh... It's like it's a bug somebody stepped on.

02:02:22.000 Doesn't even count.

02:02:23.000 Yeah, so that's one of the things I have in mind when I say omissions and distortions.

02:02:27.000 So these omissions are enormous omissions.

02:02:31.000 The fact that they wouldn't even mention the Building 7, uh, collapsed.

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02:06:02.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:06:06.000 8 minutes, 25 seconds into this third hour, David Ray Griffin, professor, author, lecturer, joins us, talking about the new Pearl Harbor, And the 9-11 whitewash the Commission engaged in.

02:06:23.000 I love it!

02:06:24.000 The Commission is appointed by George W. Bush.

02:06:28.000 Half the Commission is in business with the Carlisle Group or the Bin Laden's directly.

02:06:32.000 The head staffer is a minion of Condoleezza Rice and a chief neocon with connections to the 9-11 perpetrators.

02:06:43.000 It's like when Janet Reno appointed John Danforth with two Justice Department aides as a Justice Department investigation to investigate herself on Waco.

02:06:53.000 And they call it independent.

02:06:54.000 I mean, it's just all bald-faced lies.

02:06:57.000 We're talking about the fourth view of 9-11, that the globalists actually carried it out.

02:07:01.000 The criminal cabal carried it out.

02:07:04.000 We were going through the evidence of this.

02:07:06.000 In the 9-11 report, which I did read, and it was It was torturous. 0.99

02:07:10.000 I mean, it was so self-contradictory, it's like a low-grade moron wrote it. 0.95

02:07:16.000 But again, they know 99.9% of people don't read these type of publications. 0.99

02:07:23.000 I mean, it was laughable.

02:07:25.000 I mean, I never even addressed it in any detail because it was too much to address.

02:07:29.000 It was like telling me to, you know, shovel out a million horses' stalls or something.

02:07:34.000 It was just an An impenetrable job of ham-fistedness.

02:07:40.000 But they do stuff, as he's mentioned in there, as showing diagrams up on their big TV screens for the TV crews of, look, I have this on tape, there were no pillars here, this was all hollow, it was weakly built, and so that's why it fell.

02:07:56.000 When these buildings were over-engineered, and we've read the reports by the Muruyama Saki, the designer, Articles he'd written, a major digest on architecture.

02:08:10.000 All of this, the chief of construction for the building, who died on 9-11 in the buildings, of course, conveniently, saying it was meant to take multiple crashes from large jetliners.

02:08:25.000 But, but, I mean, David Ray Griffin, I mean, I'm glad you brought this up on C-SPAN.

02:08:29.000 They just say these pillars don't exist, and these other shows on TV, there's probably been ten of them about, well, why the towers fell.

02:08:37.000 They all say that those pillars don't exist.

02:08:40.000 I mean, it's really getting ridiculous.

02:08:43.000 Well, they, they, you know, they have to deny their existence, even though, as any book about the World Trade Center, like James Glantz's book, Glantz and Lipton, of the New York Times, points out that when the World Trade Center towers were built that was a very distinctive design and it was very controversial and so there was an enormous amount of discussion about it.

02:09:08.000 So now for the what I call the Kane-Zelikow report because that's most important to point out that the report was really the whole commission was run by and the report was finally formulated by Philip Zelikow, who is essentially a member of the Bush administration.

02:09:28.000 I mean, it was just as if Dick Cheney had supervised the Commission's report on how well the White House did.

02:09:37.000 So it's not independent at all.

02:09:41.000 It's just an inside cover-up job.

02:09:44.000 But that's so important because I use the analogy of the old 78 phonograph players.

02:09:51.000 Sometimes the records would collapse, but you always still had that spindle sticking up the middle.

02:09:58.000 Well, if the pancake theory about the towers even were plausible, the floors would have collapsed, but you still would have had those 47 spindles, those massive steel columns sticking several hundred feet up into the air.

02:10:15.000 Well, I have a five-part series called New York on PBS.

02:10:20.000 And an entire two hours of a five-part series is about the World Trade Center.

02:10:27.000 And I have film from every angle, and then I brag about how no building had ever been built so strong, and no set of buildings, how huge these were, and it shows these giant pillars in the middle of the building.

02:10:42.000 But I guess I'm insane!

02:10:43.000 I'm with Al-Qaeda! 0.89

02:10:44.000 Because if I went to a major university, which we've done, and went to their architecture department, where the building's always been studied, and pull that out, I'm insane!

02:10:55.000 Those don't exist on the blueprints!

02:10:57.000 David?

02:10:59.000 I'm with Al-Qaeda! 0.89

02:11:00.000 This is extreme revisionism.

02:11:05.000 So, you know, the right usually complains about revisionist views of history and now they've pulled off the biggest revisionism probably of recent history to deny that.

02:11:16.000 Let me give another example of the extreme lies, I mean the audacity of the lies in there.

02:11:23.000 Before, this has to do with the flight number 93 in Pennsylvania and the question was it shot down?

02:11:35.000 Well, so much evidence suggests it was shot down by our own government, but of course our government has denied it.

02:11:43.000 Now, the 9-11 Commission report does not face any of that evidence, even though it's massive.

02:11:48.000 They simply ignore it, as if it didn't exist.

02:11:51.000 And then they try to get around it by saying, look, Cheney didn't give the shoot-down order until 10 minutes after, and that was four minutes or more Because it's on record he did this.

02:12:03.000 Our ambassadors have even told foreign leaders.

02:12:06.000 But since they have it on record, they just changed the time.

02:12:09.000 That's right.

02:12:10.000 And, you know, Richard Clark had reported that the shoot-down order was given about quarter till ten.

02:12:18.000 And so there was plenty of time for the Air Force to track the plane and shoot it down.

02:12:24.000 Even Wolfowitz said that we were on the tail and ready to shoot it down.

02:12:28.000 Nevertheless, Even Cheney had said he was immediately hustled down shortly after the South Tower.

02:12:35.000 And again, they shoot it down so within the Pentagon, people think they actually did something.

02:12:39.000 This was part of the whole program?

02:12:41.000 Well, you know, it is funny they didn't take credit for shooting it down.

02:12:44.000 They could have said, see, we were trying to protect Washington.

02:12:48.000 But internally, that story is allowed out.

02:12:50.000 Yeah, so in any case, what does the 9-11 Commission do?

02:12:54.000 It says Cheney didn't go down to the underground bunker until 9.58, almost 10 o'clock.

02:13:02.000 And so by the time he got around to giving the shoot-down order, Flight 93 had already crashed.

02:13:08.000 And so he couldn't have possibly been responsible for ordering it to be shot down.

02:13:15.000 No.

02:13:17.000 So they lied by 45 or 50 minutes as to when Cheney went down below.

02:13:21.000 Well, you also again mentioned that in their entire report they don't even mention Building 7.

02:13:26.000 I know I'm repeating this, but a 47-story building.

02:13:29.000 Think of all the covers the Madrid fire got.

02:13:32.000 Yeah.

02:13:33.000 It was 40 stories.

02:13:34.000 If it hadn't have been for the Twin Towers, which were so huge and got, you know, so romantic, Uh, this would have been the really big story.

02:13:44.000 And any city in the world where a 47-story building collapsed, that would have been, in a sense, the story of the year.

02:13:52.000 Well, the Alfred P. Murrow building was 9 stories.

02:13:56.000 Yeah, but 47 stories?

02:13:58.000 That is a humongous building.

02:14:00.000 And yet... But it wasn't hit by an airplane.

02:14:02.000 Now they've had four stories on it.

02:14:04.000 First, a gas tank blew up.

02:14:05.000 Now they admit it never did.

02:14:07.000 Then the fires burned and made it collapse.

02:14:10.000 Then the scientists looked at it.

02:14:11.000 Wouldn't happen.

02:14:12.000 Okay.

02:14:13.000 Then they said it was a combination of things.

02:14:15.000 Now they say that the North Tower fell and hit it and knocked out its support column, but publicly It's not even in the main debris field.

02:14:24.000 None of the North Tower hit it.

02:14:27.000 There was no damage to it.

02:14:28.000 Then fire started.

02:14:29.000 I mean, this is insane!

02:14:31.000 But you know, there's so many people who believe it.

02:14:34.000 I was on a show the other night and a caller called in and said, you're just absolutely crazy because we know how building number seven collapsed.

02:14:43.000 There was all that fuel in there and it got set on fire and caused this massive fire.

02:14:51.000 Well, that's one of the stories, and you know, that's what the FEMA report put out, that maybe that fuel caught on fire.

02:15:01.000 Maybe it caused the exact metal columns to implode first, and the panels to fall, and then the encryption falls in on itself.

02:15:06.000 They ignore the fact that the fires show there was no massive fire in the building.

02:15:11.000 But a massive fire wouldn't have done it to begin with!

02:15:14.000 That's right.

02:15:15.000 We had flames shooting 100 feet in the air, white hot, shooting straight up for a day and a half, and nothing but tiny inch-round ceiling supports melted.

02:15:15.000 I mean, look at Madrid.

02:15:26.000 Right, and the same thing in the Philadelphia fire of 1991.

02:15:30.000 And nevertheless, that's all ignored and said, oh, that fuel

02:15:37.000 uh... in the basement somehow got pumped upstairs and uh... now they don't say that now they say the buildings were all built improperly sure but uh... my point is that they put out these various stories and uh... so a good deal of the populace believe this or that they don't hear about the revision and i say what i want to go through more of the reasons that we look at the predominant theory on on on Yes, I certainly am.

02:16:02.000 because the evidence points towards the globalist doing it.

02:16:04.000 We've got Ed, Rick, Jeff, Mike.

02:16:06.000 We have a rule on this show.

02:16:07.000 If somebody disagrees, we go to them first.

02:16:09.000 Let's talk to Carol in Ohio, who's been holding for about 45 minutes.

02:16:14.000 Carol, are you still there?

02:16:15.000 Yes, I certainly am.

02:16:16.000 Okay, real fast, fire your question.

02:16:17.000 All right, I have a question.

02:16:19.000 You, the foreword to your book, New Pearl Harbor, which I have, and I'll also tell you in C-SPAN.

02:16:26.000 We're all very hungry to get information on 911.

02:16:30.000 The foreword to your book, New Pearl Harbor, was written by Richard Falk.

02:16:34.000 Would you explain to me, sir, that you worked with this man as a team, This man is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations who worked on New World Order projects for the CFR, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and the Rockefeller Foundation.

02:16:50.000 John Cobb is also a buddy of yours.

02:16:53.000 And co-write with you on your project.

02:16:56.000 Well, I'm not going to defend these individuals if this is true, but I will say, I've read one of his books.

02:17:00.000 It's good information.

02:17:02.000 It's true.

02:17:02.000 But let's get a comment from our guest on this.

02:17:05.000 Let's find out what his... I know, I know.

02:17:07.000 Stay there, Carol.

02:17:08.000 We've got to give him... David?

02:17:11.000 Well, my association with Richard Falk and John Cobb, who was actually my professor of theology, those are two of the associations I am most proud of.

02:17:22.000 And with regard to Richard... Globalism.

02:17:24.000 Pardon?

02:17:25.000 Globalism is what it's all about.

02:17:26.000 Well, you... What's your agenda?

02:17:28.000 You've got these little slogans, but as I was explaining to you... Tell you what, stay there, David.

02:17:32.000 We got him awake.

02:17:33.000 We'll let Carol finish up on the other side and let you respond.

02:17:36.000 And I've got my comment on this subject.

02:17:38.000 We'll be right back.

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02:21:42.000 All right, we've just got this segment part of the next segment with David Ray Griffin, so we need to hurry because we've got loaded phone lines here and we'll give everybody a chance.

02:21:56.000 But I want to cover a few other lies of the 9-11 Whitewash Commission, the Unindependent Commission, the Controlled Commission, the Kangaroo Commission, but...

02:22:08.000 The Forest Commission, I'm sorry, I'm perseverating.

02:22:11.000 Carol in Ohio, real fast, finish up what you were saying, I'm going to let David respond.

02:22:15.000 Okay, on C-SPAN he advocated working with NGOs.

02:22:19.000 Those are global...

02:22:21.000 uh... united nations group his advocacy and solutions and uh... global bill of rights he is a one-worlder he is a part of the problem he's giving out truth but his solutions are playing right into the agenda okay carol thank you for the call uh... david ray griffin response well as i say i have not uh... published what uh... i'm in favor of and uh... it's uh... with regard to richard you know people pritchard fault

02:22:50.000 People get their little slogan that he's part of the CFR.

02:22:54.000 Well, his primary act, as he told me, on the CFR, which is not one of the organizations that he spends much time with, was to oppose David Rockefeller.

02:23:05.000 Furthermore, if you want to read Richard's views, I would suggest you read his book, On Humane Governance, and also his critique called Predatory Globalization.

02:23:19.000 And you will see This is no scary figure.

02:23:22.000 This is simply a guy who believes that the present world order is very unfair.

02:23:29.000 We have global apartheid, which is worse than apartheid in South Africa, and he's trying to find a way that we might move beyond that to some sort of humane global order.

02:23:41.000 Oh boy.

02:23:42.000 Let's talk to Ed in Utah.

02:23:45.000 Ed, you're on the air with David Wright Griffin.

02:23:46.000 Go ahead.

02:23:50.000 Yes, you are.

02:23:50.000 Am I there?

02:23:51.000 Thank you, Alex.

02:23:53.000 Thanks for having him on.

02:23:55.000 Mr. Griffin, Professor, your book was featured in the American Free Press newspaper.

02:24:01.000 In fact, Alex, I think they introduced the book, and I want to throw a couple things into the mix.

02:24:08.000 You brought up Mr. Silverstein, who did in fact was one of the owners of the Trey Towers.

02:24:14.000 And the other one of course... He was the chief owner.

02:24:16.000 Pardon me?

02:24:17.000 Chief owner, yes.

02:24:18.000 Chief owner, but the other one is Frank Lowey, a man from Israel.

02:24:21.000 And I want to make a connection here, Alex, when you have, and by the way, the American Free Press has brought to light Corporal Timothy McNiven.

02:24:30.000 The man that has on the front page of their, a couple of issues ago, Alex, has brought to light the fact that in 1976 in... Well, I interviewed him.

02:24:40.000 They had a war game in Germany concerning exact attacks of 9-11.

02:24:43.000 Well, look, I got a lot of callers.

02:24:45.000 Okay, but here's my point.

02:24:46.000 You're bringing up Israel.

02:24:47.000 Do you want to get Griffin to comment on that or do you want to... Can I finish my point and I'll go?

02:24:52.000 Yeah, of course you can, sir.

02:24:53.000 Yeah, okay.

02:24:54.000 Mr. Chertoff, who is from Israel.

02:24:56.000 Yes, he was born in New Jersey, but it was on a stopover.

02:24:59.000 Mr. Chertoff...

02:25:01.000 Is the man that released 140, what I say are the Israeli Mossad perpetrators of 9-11, that very day.

02:25:09.000 He released them, Alex, and sent them back, deported them back to Israel in the months after 9-11.

02:25:15.000 And so when you look at this, and what Colonel Don DeGrand Prix has exposed, that is Mr. Meigs, another Israeli that took over Popular Mechanics last September so that they could fire the editorial staff there, Alex, so they could come on there and attack you, Well, I would like to reinforce his point about popular mechanics. 0.95

02:25:35.000 when they put that Mr. Chertoff's cousin up on the Art Bell Show based on this phony...

02:25:40.000 I know.

02:25:41.000 I've got to give our guests at least as much time as your game.

02:25:41.000 We've got loaded lines.

02:25:44.000 Israeli involvement, I'd like him to respond to.

02:25:46.000 Yeah, I knew that was the question.

02:25:47.000 That's why I was trying to say it.

02:25:48.000 Mr. Grevin?

02:25:50.000 Well, I would like to reinforce his point about Popular Mechanic.

02:25:54.000 If people think that's the magazine it used to be, it's not.

02:25:58.000 It was taken over and this young guy, they call him the Senior Researcher.

02:26:03.000 He's 25 years old.

02:26:05.000 The cousin of the Homeland Security Director.

02:26:06.000 Right, right.

02:26:07.000 And so that piece is pure propaganda.

02:26:10.000 He will not come on this show, but then accuses me on other shows of being afraid to debate him.

02:26:15.000 Yeah.

02:26:16.000 With regard to Israel's involvement, there are two kinds of 9-11 researchers.

02:26:22.000 Those who Who tried to figure out what really happened that day, and that's a worthy enterprise.

02:26:29.000 But some of us simply focus on the point that the official story is false, and therefore... Yeah, we know it's the wildest conspiracy theory ever, and I'll say this about Israel.

02:26:40.000 I think Israel's corrupt, out of control, does a lot of bad things, but these intelligence agencies are all mixed together.

02:26:46.000 There's subgroups in every agency that works together.

02:26:48.000 Did Israel know?

02:26:49.000 Did Israel support it?

02:26:51.000 Yes.

02:26:52.000 But did they have NORAD stand down and do all this other stuff?

02:26:54.000 No!

02:26:55.000 I mean, it's like the Kennedy assassination.

02:26:57.000 You had a bunch of intelligence agencies and the mafia together.

02:27:00.000 The globalists do this to have membranes of separation and plausible deniability.

02:27:05.000 David?

02:27:06.000 Yeah, so I'm just agnostic on what role, if any, Israel played.

02:27:12.000 My focus is on the fact that the official story doesn't make sense.

02:27:17.000 Which I think is really the central thing to attack. 0.98

02:27:19.000 I mean, their story is a complete ridiculous fraud. 0.98

02:27:22.000 That's right. 0.78

02:27:22.000 And that's one thing the 9-11 truth movement agrees on, whereas every researcher has his own or her own private theory. 0.78

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02:31:06.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

02:31:08.000 Look, bottom line, they wanted to cover up 9-11.

02:31:11.000 They can't contain it.

02:31:12.000 They can't control it.

02:31:14.000 And I saw David Ray Griffin's presentation on C-SPAN.

02:31:17.000 It was hardcore.

02:31:19.000 It was terrifying to the NWO.

02:31:21.000 We do have to make sure that they don't use that energy to suck us off into some phony left-right world government as the answer to the evil American fascista, when in reality it's all controlled by the same people.

02:31:32.000 But the process of exposing the globalists is going along quite nicely.

02:31:38.000 And I like it.

02:31:39.000 I like it that there's so many other prominent people out fighting the globalists and exposing their manufactured terror systems because it makes us all safer.

02:31:48.000 There's just one or two of us doing this, they'll kill you.

02:31:50.000 They have killed researchers.

02:31:52.000 But when there's thousands of people, and there are now thousands of prominent people, millions of average folks taking action, it's only a matter of time.

02:31:59.000 I'm sorry I'm having to go to the calls quickly, but I mean, we could take calls all day and never give David Griffin a chance to talk about anything.

02:32:07.000 I'll have to have him back up sometime for two hours if he'll do it.

02:32:12.000 Look, I mean, I've been in this since before 9-11.

02:32:14.000 I understand their program, and again, I think overall what he's doing is very positive.

02:32:19.000 I may not agree with his views on globalization and there being another path that would... Because power always takes over mechanisms of government.

02:32:32.000 That's why you have to limit government.

02:32:33.000 I agree with the founders.

02:32:35.000 But we can agree to disagree on that, plus I haven't seen his full views.

02:32:38.000 I will review his new book when it comes out on this subject.

02:32:41.000 Anything you want to add before we talk to Rick, Jeff, and Mike, and that's all we have time for?

02:32:46.000 Yeah, I would like to say that my second book, the 9-11 Commission Report, has proven to be convincing to people that didn't find the first book convincing for one reason or another.

02:33:00.000 For example, former CIA member Ray McGovern said that He never had accepted this alternative view of 9-11 until he read my second book and saw The obvious lies and omissions.

02:33:15.000 Well, he was the chief CIA advisor to Ronald Reagan.

02:33:19.000 We've had him on.

02:33:20.000 Yeah, so he's a very highly credible figure.

02:33:22.000 Well, I had him on two years ago, and he said he didn't put it past the government to carry out terror.

02:33:27.000 That's right, but he had never endorsed the view, and now he has on a public radio in Wisconsin recently.

02:33:36.000 So really what's happening is people in the power structure, and I'm looking at this objectively and coldly, really are starting to have a conscience and really are starting to speak up.

02:33:47.000 And so a lot of people shouldn't be so paranoid that, ooh, we can't trust these people because it doesn't help the NWO for all these prominent people to be going public.

02:33:56.000 That's right, and there are a lot of Republicans, such as Pat Buchanan, and the Zogby poll indicated that uh... twenty-some percent of the republicans in new york believe that the president of the the white house had advanced knowledge of the attacks fifty percent total and then uh... the the cnn poll was ninety percent did you ever see that cnn poll?

02:34:22.000 uh... yeah that one does sound extreme but uh... and i didn't see how the question was worded but it's significant that uh... I have it in my film with the question yeah that even uh...

02:34:34.000 You know, people who consider themselves Republicans and Conservatives said they didn't believe the official story.

02:34:41.000 Well, the question was, to paraphrase, and I think this is exact, do you believe the government had prior knowledge of 9-11 and consciously failed to act?

02:34:49.000 Right.

02:34:50.000 90%.

02:34:51.000 Is that right?

02:34:52.000 Well... And that was out of, like, 18,000 respondents.

02:34:57.000 Yeah.

02:34:58.000 Let's talk to Rick in Reno.

02:35:00.000 Rick, thanks for holding, my friend.

02:35:01.000 Go ahead.

02:35:02.000 Yes, sir.

02:35:03.000 Mr. Griffin?

02:35:05.000 Yeah, Mr. Jones, I put forth the challenge to both of you gentlemen to go to archive.org.

02:35:12.000 Find the text document entitled, The Final 9-11 Commission Report.

02:35:18.000 And each of you write a review, because they so far have not been professionally reviewed, this document.

02:35:25.000 Alright, I'll try to check that out.

02:35:26.000 What's the name again?

02:35:28.000 No, I don't have a website.

02:35:30.000 All right.

02:35:31.000 What else is on your mind?

02:35:32.000 That's it.

02:35:33.000 I'm putting the challenge to you, gentlemen.

02:35:34.000 Thank you.

02:35:35.000 All right.

02:35:35.000 Well, send me a copy of it.

02:35:36.000 I mean, so I don't have to dig it out.

02:35:37.000 Tips at Infowars.com.

02:35:40.000 David, if folks want to email you, or is there a particular website you want to give out where people can contact you?

02:35:44.000 No, I don't have a website.

02:35:47.000 I just hope people will read the books and make up their own minds.

02:35:51.000 Well, before we take two final calls and let you go, I was flattered.

02:35:56.000 I had no idea when you first came on, you said you'd learned a lot from this broadcast, and then coming from you, I appreciate that.

02:36:02.000 Well, yeah, I've cited your show in my books, particularly the second edition.

02:36:09.000 I didn't know you got it directly from the show.

02:36:12.000 Yeah, yes, and particularly in the second edition, the updated edition of New Pearl Harbor, I cited, and then again in the second book.

02:36:21.000 Well, look, I don't care who gets credit for being the first person on 9-11, but it's an authoritative position to be able to claim you're the godfather or the granddaddy of the 9-11 truth movement.

02:36:31.000 But, I mean, two months before 9-11, and I've never done this before since, I said, call the White House, they're going to attack the World Trade Center, call Bush, tell him don't do it, that Lodin will take the blame, he's their asset. 0.63

02:36:41.000 And I did it from day one and it took a lot of heat and then other people come along, not you, but come along and claim that they are the sole source and start telling everyone what to do.

02:36:51.000 I think that's very dangerous.

02:36:53.000 Yeah, it's unfortunate.

02:36:55.000 I myself am very clear about the fact that I was a Johnny Come Lately to this issue and I appreciate The work that you and lots of others did that made my own books possible.

02:37:08.000 But I wouldn't be here saying that.

02:37:09.000 I've never said this in the last few months, except that other people are saying, I am the founder, I am the leader, and literally saying, I order people, I say what you talk about.

02:37:18.000 I mean, it's crazy.

02:37:20.000 So I'm standing up and saying, OK, I'm the granddaddy, because I really am.

02:37:23.000 I mean, it sounds obnoxious.

02:37:24.000 I'm having to do that.

02:37:28.000 Yeah, I say it's unfortunate and I hope for the most part we can just keep the focus on the facts.

02:37:36.000 Exactly, it's not about Alex Jones or David Ray Griffin or the Easter Bunny.

02:37:41.000 It's about a military industrial complex that needs a new enemy to fight and so it's making us the enemy.

02:37:41.000 Exactly.

02:37:47.000 Exactly, and the more the 9-11 Truth Movement gets embroiled in ego wars, the less effective we'll be in terms of our real task.

02:37:58.000 I'm almost embarrassed that I've come out and said this, but if you look at the record of my site, you'll never find us doing this.

02:38:05.000 But you understand the power position of being able to claim you're the founder, and that other people claim that, and I'm sure you've seen people claiming that they speak ex cathedra, basically.

02:38:15.000 Yeah, as I said in my first book, in a note, that I didn't have time to go back and see who had first discovered what, and so I was very conscious of the fact that I wasn't giving proper credit, but I hope that if the movement is successful, that'll be the time for some historian to write a history and give that kind of proper credit.

02:38:39.000 But again, understand, sir, the only reason I raise it to scholars such as yourself is because others have done this.

02:38:45.000 No, I understand that.

02:38:46.000 And then they claim authority.

02:38:48.000 I have no authority!

02:38:50.000 I'm not saying I have a right to tell anybody anything.

02:38:52.000 I've learned from everybody.

02:38:54.000 I've learned from you.

02:38:56.000 So, oh, it's amazing.

02:38:59.000 Two final calls.

02:39:01.000 Jeff in Massachusetts and then Michael in New York.

02:39:04.000 Go ahead, Jeff.

02:39:06.000 Yes, my original question was on depleted uranium poisoning.

02:39:10.000 And as far as depleted uranium poisoning is concerned, Are the Americans just getting poisoned? 0.78

02:39:16.000 Well, it shows what murderers the globalists are.

02:39:18.000 You don't think they'd kill 3,000? 0.96

02:39:21.000 Thousands of our troops are already starting to get sick from this in the Iraqis. 1.00

02:39:24.000 David, comments?

02:39:26.000 Well, yeah, I mean this idea that we're promoting a culture of life, the disregard for the lives of the workers and people living around the World Trade Center to come out and say the air was clean and now thousands are getting sick and dying And the same thing in Iraq, and of course we've had that in other wars, in Afghanistan, and it's absolutely criminal that we're still using this depleted uranium.

02:39:52.000 Well, it shows the cavalier attitude towards life.

02:39:55.000 That's right.

02:39:56.000 One way that some elitists talk about American troops, you know, They talk publicly about, oh, support our troops, be patriotic, and so forth.

02:40:07.000 What they're saying they have is, young men are dying?

02:40:09.000 That's what young men are for. 0.95

02:40:10.000 That's right.

02:40:11.000 So some of them refer to a soldier as OFU, One Fodder Unit.

02:40:17.000 I also have some information, too, if you'd like me to give a website address.

02:40:22.000 Yeah, real fast.

02:40:23.000 I've got to let him go in the next minute or two.

02:40:24.000 Okay.

02:40:25.000 www.cuttingedge.org David Bay 1-800-451-8211 You can look at the website to learn all about the information.

02:40:38.000 I know who he is.

02:40:39.000 He carries my videos.

02:40:40.000 Okay.

02:40:40.000 Good guy.

02:40:41.000 Thanks for the call.

02:40:43.000 I really appreciate it.

02:40:44.000 Last caller, Michael in New York.

02:40:45.000 Go ahead, Michael.

02:40:46.000 Hi, good afternoon, Alex.

02:40:48.000 Good afternoon, David.

02:40:50.000 Alex, with 9-11, I watched it live that morning, and Tom Brokaw on NBC stated that flight over Pennsylvania, we shot it down.

02:41:00.000 Then, within five, ten minutes at the max, they retracted that statement.

02:41:05.000 The state police saw it get blown up, folks.

02:41:08.000 Jets don't spread over eight miles.

02:41:11.000 The buildings, when they came down, I mean, anybody that has watched some professional demolished buildings in the past, when you see those buildings come down, you know they're demolished.

02:41:20.000 That's the point David never could get into, is that we had all this concrete turned into powder, David.

02:41:25.000 Well, that's right.

02:41:26.000 That's one of the 10 characteristics of controlled demolition.

02:41:30.000 And in this case, it was extreme.

02:41:32.000 Virtually all of the concrete was pulverized into very tiny powder particles.

02:41:39.000 And I refer to Tom Brokaw, but also good old Dan Rather.

02:41:44.000 When he saw Building 7 come down, he said, well, that's just like those buildings we've seen brought down by controlled demolition.

02:41:51.000 Looks like well-placed dynamite.

02:41:52.000 Finish up in 30 seconds, Michael.

02:41:54.000 Okay, and so now, Alex, your new video is great.

02:41:57.000 I'm making copies, thank you.

02:41:59.000 And you referred to the New World Order as the fourth rank, and I just wanted to touch base on that, because previously, earlier in the show, Um, your statement that, you know, the New World Order is a corporate thing, but that's where they all infiltrated after the war.

02:42:14.000 Of course, Operation Paperclip, our government agents brought them in quietly, created the CIA... Yeah, I call it, and I appreciate your call, great points, Michael.

02:42:22.000 I'm sorry that these great callers don't have any more time or all the others that are holding.

02:42:26.000 But I call it the fourth right because they were supporters of Nazis, the current regime. 0.88

02:42:30.000 They love the fascist model.

02:42:32.000 They love the word Homeland Security.

02:42:33.000 They love the black uniforms.

02:42:35.000 The skull and bones is the same symbol as the Nazis.

02:42:39.000 It is the same group, the same spirit.

02:42:42.000 And David Ray Griffin, do you agree with that?

02:42:45.000 Well yes, and my colleague Richard Falk is now working on asking the question, will the global empire amount to global fascism all right well i really appreciate you david coming on can we get you back up sometime for two hours and take calls sure because yeah a marathon is what we need because out of two hours we get an hour and a half of broadcast time and then and more time to talk to these callers thanks for spending time with us and take care thank you Bye-bye.

02:43:14.000 All right, there he goes, ladies and gentlemen.

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02:52:27.000 Look, my friends, I want to hit a few final news articles here at the end of the broadcast.

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02:54:00.000 Okay.

02:54:02.000 There's so much here.

02:54:04.000 A Phoenix man dies after being tasered, yet again.

02:54:07.000 We have the real origins of the 9-11 Truth Movement.

02:54:09.000 Important article on PrisonPlanet.com.

02:54:11.000 All over the U.S.

02:54:12.000 they're going to put microphones up on every street corner.

02:54:14.000 Here's an article out of England.

02:54:16.000 Listening microphones to be installed in U.K.

02:54:18.000 lampposts.

02:54:19.000 In one particular city it says every lamppost in every home will be listened to 24 hours a day by smart computers that automatically call the police if you get too loud.

02:54:27.000 And listen to you! 1984!

02:54:30.000 Cisco Systems slammed for RFID staff tracker VNUnit.

02:54:35.000 Wireless RFID server trackers personnel via tags embedded in their uniforms.

02:54:39.000 Cisco is coming under fire from privacy groups as it prepares to launch a wireless RFID server that can track people and equipment using existing WIFI networks.

02:54:50.000 The Wireless Location Appliance 2700 is designed to track RFID tags down a few meters and display the location in a central map.

02:54:58.000 And it's going to be embedded with radio tags in all the employees' clothing.

02:55:02.000 Again, just total slave grid.

02:55:04.000 Boston had to pay $5.1 million to Deb Red Sox fan's family.

02:55:08.000 Remember, they blew her eye back into her brain at 10 feet away with a gun.

02:55:12.000 The cops should go to jail. 0.87

02:55:14.000 Victoria Snellgrove wanted it all, to be a successful broadcast journalist and to meet Prince Charming as part of family.

02:55:21.000 And I'm still young, I still have time, she said on a videotape she recorded in her bedroom.

02:55:26.000 But now she was killed by a police officer when there wasn't even a riot going on.

02:55:30.000 Bob Barr, once a Patriot Act, reigned in.

02:55:32.000 How do you reign in something that's pure evil?

02:55:35.000 Also, public outrage kills the 70 plus billboards that are saying California and L.A.

02:55:42.000 is Mexico.

02:55:43.000 They're saying they're going to remove them.

02:55:44.000 Yeah, let's see if they really do.

02:55:47.000 Congress to force agencies to identify video news.

02:55:50.000 You know, these fake newscasts out of Reuters.

02:55:52.000 Congress is talking about passing a law.

02:55:54.000 There's already laws, though, and Bush says he doesn't have to follow them.

02:55:57.000 But he can't pay for hundreds of millions of dollars of fake newscasts.

02:56:00.000 Chicago's putting up giant FEMA loudspeakers to announce during emergencies.

02:56:04.000 It's part of the emergency alert system to take over all radio and TV.

02:56:07.000 It's already in place for total control.

02:56:10.000 Court rules IBM does not have to face Nazi charges.

02:56:15.000 And they say, oh yeah, they're guilty of helping the Nazis, but the statute of limitations is up.

02:56:20.000 I didn't know there was a statute of limitations on murder.

02:56:25.000 We're out of time, ladies and gentlemen.

02:56:26.000 Back tonight, 9 to midnight.

02:56:27.000 Back tomorrow, 11 to 2.

02:56:29.000 God bless you all.

Alex Jones Show - May 04, 2005

20050504_Wed_Alex

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